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Dr. Doogie
05-23-2006, 11:42 AM
I realize that there is a similar thread in the Cold Case section, but I thought that it would nice for us who have become involved in the search for Anna to let each other know who we are. Please post as much about yourself as you feel comfortable with.
Dr. Doogie
05-23-2006, 12:06 PM
My name is Doug. I am 47 years old and have married to my darling wife for three years now. I am a printing manager by day and a singer/entertainer by night. My nickname came about when a friend of mine dubbed me "Dr. Doogie, doctor of song" because of the wide spectrum of music that I perform.
I met Annasmom and her family in January 1974 (about one year after Anna disappeared). I had just moved with my family to Half Moon Bay and Annasbro was literally the first person I met at my new school - he was asked by the administrators to show me around the campus. I quickly became friends with Annasbro and his brother. I also met Annasmom and Joe Ford through the brothers. The two brothers, Joe and myself used to play touch-football in a local park and frequently went fishing together on the beaches there (Annasmom would often cook up our catch into a delicous ciopinnio - an Italian seafood stew).
I got involved in the search for Anna when I saw a show on TV about Sharon Marshall and wondered if Sharon might be Anna. Unfortunately, the internet was in its infancy at that time and further information wasn't available. I tucked that thought away for the next ten years, when I stumbled onto the Doe Network website and just started randomly looking at cases. The very first case I clicked at random was...Sharon Marshall!!!
Once I realized that I had found the same case, I started to do research into both Sharon and Anna to see if the could be the same person. Much to my surprise, others had already brought up Anna's name as a possible match. Once I had read Matt Birkbecks book on Sharon and found as many details as I could about Anna, I contacted Annasmom (we hadn't had any communication in about fifteen years) to see if she was aware of the SM case - she was not. We later determined that the two cases were not related, but by then it was too late - I was was involved for the duration!
When I asked Annasmom if she was okay with me looking into Anna's case, I made her a promise. I told her that I could not promise that we would find Anna, but I did promise that I wouldn't stop until we had left no stone unturned. And thanks to all of you, we are constantly finding new stones to look under. Each day, I believe we are getting closer to an answer.
SherlockJr
05-23-2006, 01:02 PM
My name is Maureen. I am 48 years old and live in the Greater Cincinnati area. I spend the majority of my waking hours searching for Anna, when I am not at work. I have opened an e-mail account reuniteanna@yahoo.com and I post messages on adoption boards. Most of my time is spent reading the internet. While searching for Anna, I have come across a possible match for Highsmith and awaiting DNA results to come back (certainly been longer than Delia's. lol). Just 2 weeks ago a woman contacted me that fit the description of Anna. When she said she was told her mother died in 1972 and that she did not think she was Anna. I had to dig further until I was satisfied she was not Anna. I found her birthmothers family and confirmed her story. She has been reunited with her birthmothers family. Anna and her family are always in thoughts. I believe in my heart someday Anna will be found.
Annasmom
05-23-2006, 01:06 PM
My name is Mikie. I live on the coast in Northern California with my husband, a classical musician, and a cat. I have one son who lives in Washington State and another who lives in southern California, and I have five grandchildren. I retired last May as a college music teacher but still have a few private piano students and play piano, organ and harpsichord for "wakes and weddings and fancy balls," like MacNamara's Band. My first career was journalism, and I've done lots of free-lance writing this past year. I lived in Greece five years (both my boys were born there), speak Greek and have a strong connection with the country and culture. I have been doing volunteer work as a hospital Greek translator, which lets me practice and feel that I'm doing something constructive!
Dr. Doogie
05-23-2006, 01:08 PM
Just 2 weeks ago a woman contacted me that fit the description of Anna. When she said she was told her mother died in 1972 and that she did not think she was Anna. I had to dig further until I was satisfied she was not Anna. I found her birthmothers family and confirmed her story. She has been reunited with her birthmothers family.
That is wonderful news! I hadn't heard that she had been reunited with her family. Great work, Maureen!
laini
05-23-2006, 01:42 PM
Hi! I am "laini" online and live in the midwest U.S. I have two kids. Hubby and I just celebrated our 10th. I am a R.N. in ICU and also do medical transcription at home. I mainly lurk and read online, but I am very intersted in missing people cases and jane/john does. I first learned about Anna Waters while reading about Sharon Marshall, after seeing Sharon's interesting page on Doenetwork and then looking for little girls missing in the 70's. Pictures of little Anna remind me of my daughter.
Just wanted to add that I really admire Annasmom, Dr. Doogie, and so many here. I believe we/you will have answers eventually. :)
Dr. Doogie
05-23-2006, 02:16 PM
As it turns out, Annasmom seems to have more pictures of me from the 1970's then my own parents. Unfortunately, most pictures from the 70's ought to burned so as to not show future generations how ridiculously we dressed. (Comedian Denis Leary once said about the 70's: "There we were in the middle of the sexual revolution wearing clothes that would absolutely guarranty that we wouldn't get laid.")
However, in an effort of full disclosure, here is one of those pictures:
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/drdoogief/detail?.dir=aac9&.dnm=cd6ere2.jpg&.src=ph
Please contain your laughter. Can you tell that kung fu movies were popular at the time?
HeartofTexas
05-23-2006, 02:23 PM
I'll be 60 in a few weeks and am retired from many years of working as a legal assistant in law firms. I'm also raising my 10-year old nephew whose parents both died by the time he was 6. He takes up a lot of my time because he's been diagnosed with Reactive Attachment Disorder so has many behavioral problems. I also run a support group at his school for Grandparents Raising Grandkids (even though I'm officially an aunt!).
When he's at school, I spend way too much of my time online looking for Sharon and Anna. So far the best I've been able to do is to locate a missing child by the name of Rose Cole who now has a thread here on WS under Cold Cases. I'm in touch with her family and through the wonderful help of Jerry Nance at NCMEC, we're making progress on getting Rose on the various missing persons networks.
I so admire the many great researchers here at WS, and in particular the ones who work tirelessly to find the many missing children from the 60's and 70's whose families didn't have access to computers or the many missing person's organizations that are in place today. Sherlock, I can't even begin to tell you how impressed I am that you were able to reunite someone with their family. It must be so gratifying to know your efforts paid off in such a big way.
Annasmom
05-23-2006, 02:30 PM
As it turns out, Annasmom seems to have more pictures of me from the 1970's then my own parents. Unfortunately, most pictures from the 70's ought to burned so as to not show future generations how ridiculously we dressed. (Comedian Denis Leary once said about the 70's: "There we were in the middle of the sexual revolution wearing clothes that would absolutely guarranty that we wouldn't get laid.")
However, in an effort of full disclosure, here is one of those pictures:
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/drdoogief/detail?.dir=aac9&.dnm=cd6ere2.jpg&.src=ph
Please contain your laughter. Can you tell that kung fu movies were popular at the time?
Actually, Doogie, I think it was Conan the Barbarian. I should have said in my previous post that one lifetime would never be enough to express my thanks to Doogie, my hero, and to you Websleuthers for you tireless efforts, your imagination, your brainpower, and your willingness to try to find Anna. It was hard for me to post at first, but we've been able to rule out so many things and you have beamed such wonderful energy to me that it isn't hard at all any more. And your faith is a wonder to behold.
Dr. Doogie
05-23-2006, 02:36 PM
Actually, Doogie, I think it was Conan the Barbarian.
Does that mean that someday I get to governor of California too?
SherlockJr
05-24-2006, 12:18 AM
That is wonderful news! I hadn't heard that she had been reunited with her family. Great work, Maureen!
Thank you Doogie and HoT. How much I wanted her to be Anna, and was hoping after finding her birthfamily, they tell me there were no other children. It didn't work out the way I was hoping. She is a wonderful person I got to know in such a short time and forever grateful. Her family as well, were very happy to be able to reconnect with her. Again, we move on...
mbroemsen
05-24-2006, 12:44 AM
Hey everyone,
I'm Melanie... I'm 35 and from NE Ohio. I stumbled on Anna's case not too long ago and I hope that I can help find her, too.
As far as about me - I work at home...I do marketing, writing and pr work. Nearly everything I do is website / search engine related...I have two spoiled cats, Aurora and Venus. I lived in florida for a few years and miss the sunshine. Ohio weather is pretty gloomy most of the time. On the weekends, I work in a sports bar...
As you can see, I work a ton, but in my spare time I'm usualy just happy to relax (whatever that entails) and do something I enjoy (whatever that is for the day), hang out with friends, family, just the normal stuff, and of course look for clues to where anna could be. I love the sopranos, nip/tuck and tomorrow I am bleaching my dark hair platinum (inside joke related to my best friends wedding this weekend - the first time she got married i dyed it a farily bright shade of red which unfortuntealy did not match my purple dress very well) So, to follow tradition and keep it interesting I will be spending my summer seeing if blondes do, in fact, have more fun LOL
i've had a rough coupla weeks, so not been aorund as much as usual, but I'm still checking in a couple times a day...
If there is anything else you want to know, just ask :)
HeartofTexas
05-24-2006, 09:03 AM
However, in an effort of full disclosure, here is one of those pictures:
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/drdoo...re2.jpg&.src=ph (http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/drdoogief/detail?.dir=aac9&.dnm=cd6ere2.jpg&.src=ph)
Please contain your laughter. Can you tell that kung fu movies were popular at the time?
I don't know how I missed seeing the picture of you the first time I read this thread, but I've seen it now! LOL! And just how many of the 6 bottles of liquor in the background had you dipped into by the time you were boxing your invisible opponent????
MagicRose99
05-24-2006, 10:16 AM
I'm Janet and I'm 44 years old and live in No. California. I'm a single mother of 3 young adults and work full time as an IT tech for a State agency. I was very intrigued with Anna's case and have tried to keep up with it. I'm not that big of a help around here, but I do try to help when I can.
I do so admire Doogie for his tireless efforts on behalf of Anna and her family. He is a very special man and can see why he's Annasmom's hero! And the rest of you... if only I can grow up to be like all of you... you're all special!
mysteriew
05-25-2006, 01:28 AM
I'm from SW Ohio, (SherlockJr I have a feeling we may be almost neighbors)retired and live alone. I have 3 Tiels, and enjoy reading, writing, the internet, and going places. I am a pretty quiet person, and enjoy people watching.
I'm not much of a researcher, but I am always amazed at the amount of information the people here are able to develop on people. Even on people from years ago before the internet, so much info can often be found. One of my first stops when I come to WS is to see what has developed about Anna. I think Anna is out there, and I think there is a good chance this one can be solved. And my hat is off to the talented researchers who have been able to dig that info up, and also to Anna's mom. I know the years have been hard. And I know that it is something you never forget. I know there have been a lot of broken hopes over the years, and you are still hanging in there, and searching, not giving up. That makes you a pretty awesome Mom.
Shadow205
05-25-2006, 09:00 AM
I am a retired Police Officer. Born and raised in WV, moved to Florida for 20 years, retired and moved back to the beautiful WV mountains. We bought a beautiful old Victorian house that was built in 1918 and have been working on retoring it to it's original glory for the past 3 years. I discovered WS's while following the Jessica Lunsford case. I have met some wonderful people here and am impressed with their skills in research. I have found that each person has their specialty in different areas of research. When everyone puts their skills together the result is amazing. I really enjoy working with everyone here.
smile22
05-25-2006, 12:53 PM
Hi I am Alyssa Alie for short. i am 24 from connecticut. i work full time in retail as a shoe specialist for target and still live at home with my parents and my 3 younger siblings . I came to Ws looking for more info janice pockett who went missing from connecticut in 1973 at the age of 7. when im not researching info on her i also follow other threads such as annas, and sharon marshall. when im not on websleuths i like to write poetry, read books, line dancing, beading, shoping,the beach, and playing with my 3 year old golden retriver and my 7 year old all white cat.
Dr. Doogie
05-25-2006, 12:59 PM
I have met some wonderful people here and am impressed with their skills in research. I have found that each person has their specialty in different areas of research. When everyone puts their skills together the result is amazing.
The collective talents that each person bring to WS is this community's strength. Some are good researchers, some are good at making connections that others might not see, some are are good at coming up with "crazy" ideas that turn out to be not-so-crazy. Together, the sum is greater than each individual part.
mysteriew
05-25-2006, 09:00 PM
The collective talents that each person bring to WS is this community's strength. Some are good researchers, some are good at making connections that others might not see, some are are good at coming up with "crazy" ideas that turn out to be not-so-crazy. Together, the sum is greater than each individual part.
LOL, Dr. D. I prefer to call them 'out of the box' ideas- sounds a little better, and since that is my specialty...........
PS. Though I have to admit, Dr. D. has me beat on the 'out of the box' ideas- I seem to remember something about a toe?......ROFL!!!
Dr. Doogie
05-26-2006, 11:11 AM
Though I have to admit, Dr. D. has me beat on the 'out of the box' ideas- I seem to remember something about a toe?......ROFL!!!Guilty as charged. I think I've been watching way too much Sopranos. I always ask myself, "WWPWD?" (What would Paulie Walnuts do?)
mysteriew
05-26-2006, 11:19 AM
Everybody has little flights of fantasy when they get involved in a case. Mine just seem to be more consistent than most.
christine2448
05-31-2006, 04:02 PM
Hiya Everyone! My name is Christine...really :) I am 35, 36 very soon, married with 12 yr old and 6 month old. I work FT as Full Charge Bookkeeper and have 2 PT home businesses, 1 computer repair, 2 bookkeeping and taxes.
I came to WS to read about Ray Gricar, a missing PA DA who helped my family a great deal back in the 80's. From there, I went nuts! There is so much on WS to do! Then I decided to slow down a bit, was getting behind at work and home, LOL, and try to concentrate on just a few cases at a time. So, I thought, I'll pick one hot (Amber Harris) and one cold (Rose Cole).
I am currently involved in Rose Cole case, which has brought me to this case, and also working on Amber Harris. I followed the Amber Harris case from day 1 and as most of you know the case went from missing to Homicide just recently.
I want to find Rose so bad because she was so lonely, and I want her to know how much she IS loved, even by us, and we don't even know her!
I now want to help find Anna.....what a joy that would be, what a JOY!
I love each and everyone one of you here, you are all an incredible bunch! I have made some good friends since hanging out at WS.
BTW...who's coming to the WS 1st Annual Get Together (http://websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=114) ????? A chance to meet in person and discuss all of our work here!
Dr. Doogie
05-31-2006, 05:22 PM
Welcome, Christine2448. We can use all of the help that we can get.
For years, Annasmom and her family felt that while people were sympathetic to their situation, no one seemed interested in actively assisting in the search for Anna. Well, Websleuthers have risen to the occasion and as a result, we are closer to finding an answer than we have ever been. With all of your help, we can find the truth.
Annasmom
06-01-2006, 07:25 PM
For years, Annasmom and her family felt that while people were sympathetic to their situation, no one seemed interested in actively assisting in the search for Anna.
I just got a form letter from the San Mateo Sheriff's office in response to my request for a copy of the case file (made on the proper form). They asked for a postage fee and picture identity but then said since the case involved a juvenile (38 years old??) I would have to have a court order from Juvenile authorities to get the file. This, after the detective supposedly on the case helped me fill out the form. I think they just want me to go away.
Dr. Doogie
06-01-2006, 07:39 PM
I just got a form letter from the San Mateo Sheriff's office in response to my request for a copy of the case file (made on the proper form). They asked for a postage fee and picture identity but then said since the case involved a juvenile (38 years old??) I would have to have a court order from Juvenile authorities to get the file. This, after the detective supposedly on the case helped me fill out the form. I think they just want me to go away.WHAAAAT?????? The detective said that if there was any trouble, to call him and he would be able to approve the release. Sounds like trouble to me, so lets see if he will do what he says he will. :furious: :banghead:
mysteriew
06-01-2006, 08:41 PM
I bet they are going to pull the old, "she was a juvenile but she would be an adult now and entitled to the right to her privacy" excuse.
HeartofTexas
06-01-2006, 10:19 PM
Why would they even bother to ask for a postage fee and picture identity if they were going to play cat and mouse? So infuriating. I have "met" some of the nicest people in LE offices you could ever hope to meet, and I have met some that are so infuriating that I just want to go screaming into the night. I hope somehow you are able to sort this out and get them to offer up their file.
SherlockJr
06-02-2006, 12:08 AM
Doesn't make sense to me. 32 yrs ago a stranger (MH) gets a copy of the file, but not a family member today? :snooty: Gee, do I smell trouble. Oh, have I ever mentioned "go higher" yet?
Dr. Doogie
06-02-2006, 11:17 AM
Oh, have I ever mentioned "go higher" yet?In the course of rereading Annasmom's manuscript, I was reminded that the FBI did review the case in the context of a cluster of missing girls that occured in the Bay Area in the 1980's (Amanda Campbell, Amber Schwartz, etc.). They never were able to come to any conclusions.
There are jurisdictional issues concerning the FBI. At the time of Anna's disappearance, the law stated that the FBI could only get involved if there was a ransom note or if strong evidence existed that the child was transported across state lines. That criteria has now changed, but I do not know if it is retroactive to pre-existing cases.
Concerning the San Mateo Sheriff's and this new roadblock that they have thrown up: Annasmom, I would call the detective back and get his input on this. He seemed to be sincere in wanting to get us this info. You are probably right in that they want you to go away - what you need to do is make it clear to them that the only way for them to make you go away is to give us what we want. I know that is not your nature, but I would recommend that you get in touch with your "inner-*****" and become a pain in their rear.
Annasmom
06-04-2006, 11:14 PM
Concerning the San Mateo Sheriff's and this new roadblock that they have thrown up: Annasmom, I would call the detective back and get his input on this. He seemed to be sincere in wanting to get us this info. You are probably right in that they want you to go away - what you need to do is make it clear to them that the only way for them to make you go away is to give us what we want. I know that is not your nature, but I would recommend that you get in touch with your "inner-*****" and become a pain in their rear.
This made me laugh out loud. It's nice that you assume I'm not in touch with this, ahem, negative side. First, though, I just sent the six dollars and the photo ID and assumed the clerk had called the detective. I'll stay on it.
GraceBlue
06-05-2006, 01:57 PM
I was born 6 years after Anna 'vanished.' I am a mama to a 1 year old little girl and Anna was someone's little girl, that's what caught my attention. I dont post on ws much but I read on here whenever I can.My heart goes out to her family. I cant imagine how hard it must have been for them. I hope there will be an answer to all the questions and Anna will be found. I'll keep searching the internet for anything that could be related to Anna, so far I havent had any luck.
Dr. Doogie
06-05-2006, 02:06 PM
I'll keep searching the internet for anything that could be related to Anna, so far I havent had any luck.
Thanks, GraceBlue, for your kind words and efforts. We each bring different talents to WS and yours may be the missing piece of the puzzle. Welcome!
Annasmom
06-08-2006, 12:55 AM
Concerning the San Mateo Sheriff's and this new roadblock that they have thrown up: Annasmom, I would call the detective back and get his input on this. He seemed to be sincere in wanting to get us this info. You are probably right in that they want you to go away - what you need to do is make it clear to them that the only way for them to make you go away is to give us what we want. I know that is not your nature, but I would recommend that you get in touch with your "inner-*****" and become a pain in their rear.
I just got an e-mail from their office; they have released the file and are mailing it to me!
mysteriew
06-08-2006, 03:11 AM
Hooray! Sometimes persistence pays off.
rideforfun
06-09-2006, 05:12 PM
My name is Gayle and I'm a 40 something executive with a large HR consulting and outsourcing firm. I am married to a wonderful man and we have a 7 year old little girl that is the light of my life. I have also two great stepsons, 1 is married with a little girl and 1 is engaged. We live in Illinois on a small piece of property with my 4 horses and dog. I love photography, scrapbooking, nearly everything to do with animals. I have a sincere interest in missing persons cases and occasionally am able to help Project Jason. I study lots of processes and procedures related to missing person cases and have been studying cadaver dogs for the past year with ideas on improving use and promoting the use of our local group of search and rescue dogs. I've done some writing to help people understand the types of dogs used in cases and how they work. My internet search experience is zero but I would like to learn. I've followed Anna's case closely and am attempting to educate myself on numerological values and the Kabalarians. I pray for Anna and her family every day. I'm amazed by you guys everyday.
mfmangel1
06-14-2006, 09:57 PM
My name is Maria and I am 40ish. I now live in Huntington, W.V. with my husband (a software developer/programmer) of almost nine years and numerous cats. I am originally from Portsmouth, Oh and have lived in Atlanta, Tampa and Cincinnati. I attended the Galloway School and Oglethorpe University in Atlanta. I was a Merit System administrator for the State of Georgia for many years and held a similar position for a local area hospital. I moved back to the area to be closer to my family, especially my grandparents. My mother and I share caregiver duties for them.
I spend time reading about true crime and Anna's case really touched my heart. In her pictures, it is as if she is reaching out to you....There is something very special about her. Yes, she is lovely and adorable, but there is something else. Looking at her smile makes me smile.
I do not want to downplay the many other missing children we have listed on the boards, but some of us do have our "special cases" and for me, it is Anna.
In addition, I have a powerful feeling that Anna is definitely still alive. I don't have any reason as to why I feel that is the case....I just do.
smile22
06-15-2006, 05:38 AM
mfmangel1 i know the feeling as well when your researching a misssing person and u get this feeling about what happend to them besides following annas case, janice pockett 7 1973 tolland connecticut brought me to websleuths when i look at her picture it haunts me i know shes is no longer with us a feeling ive had since the begning of my research. hopefully where ever she is she can be found.
reportertype
06-15-2006, 10:43 PM
'Lo all
I don't think I've posted anything regarding Anna yet, but I have been following everyone's efforts from the beginning. I'm a transplanted Texan and have been reading about true crime since I was very young. I plan to keep reading and contribute when I can. I think the work everyone has done and continues to do is amazing.
Annasunc
06-18-2006, 01:41 PM
I realize that there is a similar thread in the Cold Case section, but I thought that it would nice for us who have become involved in the search for Anna to let each other know who we are. Please post as much about yourself as you feel comfortable with.
I am Annasmom's youngest brother, Dan. I was a college senior at the time of Anna's disappearance, living in married students' housing with my son and then wife about two thousand miles away (my son is three years younger than his cousin Anna). Because of the distance involved, the great amount of uncertainty surrounding the case and my reluctance to intrude on my sister's grief, there is a lot I am finding out here for the first time. I want to thank the members of this forum for the interest and involvement they've shown to the case and the comfort and love they've shown my sister.
mysteriew
06-18-2006, 05:35 PM
Welcome Annasuncle. Glad you can be here with us! Jump right in if you have any questions or anything you would like to add.
SherlockJr
06-19-2006, 10:24 AM
Welcome and glad to meet you Annasunc! The majority of us here believe Anna is alive and will be found. Please feel free to post any suggestions or theories you may think of.
Annasunc
06-19-2006, 11:18 AM
I never thought Anna wandered to the creek or into the wilderness and always thought it was an abduction. In re-reading the "Searching for Anna" manuscript and these posts one thing that sticks out is that it was the silence that alerted Annasmom that something was wrong. I would think that would make the likelihood of a fatal traffic accident, or of any other incident causing a loud, unusual noise, to be low. I come up with three scenarios.
1) Anna went willingly with her abductor(s)
2) Anna was conscious but physically overpowered by her abductor(s) before she could raise an alarm.
3) Anna was unconscious at the time of her abduction. While I once would have considered the use of medical means (something inhalable or injectable) to accomplish this as something that would most likely occur in a novel or movie, the insight into GW's personality provided by Annasmom indicates to me that he was a person with the knowledge and means to accomplish that if he so desired, or to provide others with the means. The revelation about his attempts to contact the German Consulate and widow of Gen. Rommel shows a highly functioning professional with clinical detachment, and for that reason I found it extremely chilling to read.
FWIW. :twocents:
Dr. Doogie, post #788, thread Anna Christian Waters (Missing 1/16/1973 from Half Moon Bay, CA)
Another interesting bit of info from the Box from Hell (BFH): Waters developed a fascination in 1969 with the suicide method of Nazi war criminals - in particular, the exact dosage of cyanide that Rommel and Georring used to off themselves. He even went so far as to write the German Consulate and the widow of Gen. Rommel for the info.
mysteriew
06-19-2006, 09:04 PM
3) Anna was unconscious at the time of her abduction. While I once would have considered the use of medical means (something inhalable or injectable) to accomplish this as something that would most likely occur in a novel or movie, the insight into GW's personality provided by Annasmom indicates to me that he was a person with the knowledge and means to accomplish that if he so desired, or to provide others with the means. The revelation about his attempts to contact the German Consulate and widow of Gen. Rommel shows a highly functioning professional with clinical detachment, and for that reason I found it extremely chilling to read.
FWIW. :twocents:
That is a great point and one I had not considered. If a stranger were to find Anna near the road, they could possibly inject her with something or use chloroform to quickly induce unconciousness, and that could explain why she didn't raise an outcry and why there wasn't any sign of a struggle. As a doctor, GW did have ready acccess to the drugs.
Annasunc
06-20-2006, 10:55 AM
Welcome and glad to meet you Annasunc! The majority of us here believe Anna is alive and will be found. Please feel free to post any suggestions or theories you may think of.
Thanks. That's heartening, and considering the small amount we know for sure in the case, seems as likely a conclusion as any. If Anna is living in the U.S., she's probably findable because of the paper trail one inevitably leaves in the 21st century. I'm amazed at the amount of expertise forum members bring to the search and the effort you've expended. Words are inadequate to express our gratitude, appreciation and love for you all.
Annasunc
06-20-2006, 11:45 AM
That is a great point and one I had not considered. If a stranger were to find Anna near the road, they could possibly inject her with something or use chloroform to quickly induce unconciousness, and that could explain why she didn't raise an outcry and why there wasn't any sign of a struggle. As a doctor, GW did have ready acccess to the drugs.
I was reluctant to post this speculation because it seemed something more likely to appear as a convenient plot twist in a Lifetime made-for-TV movie than in real life. I decided it might be a bigger mistake to underestimate the capabilities of a delusional paranoid-schizophrenic who had earned degrees at two different Ivy League universities.
mysteriew
06-20-2006, 08:44 PM
I was reluctant to post this speculation because it seemed something more likely to appear as a convenient plot twist in a Lifetime made-for-TV movie than in real life. I decided it might be a bigger mistake to underestimate a capabilities of a delusional paranoid-schizophrenic who had earned degrees at two different Ivy League universities.
LOL, all theories and suggestions get posted- from the mundane to the very out there ones. We look at any and all possibilities. ROFL, at one point I even popped the question of could GB be a transexual, and in different forum (about someone else) Dr. D. even made a suggestion about a toe! So don't hesitate to ask, suggest or make a point.
Annasunc
06-21-2006, 07:34 AM
... all theories and suggestions get posted- from the mundane to the very out there ones. We look at any and all possibilities ....
I've spent the last week reading the 1800+ posts to this forum and was relieved/impressed that the subject of UFOs never came up (although, if I were a True Believer, it would provide a tidy and tempting explanation).
But seriously, maybe I've been watching too many episodes of CSI, but when I saw the photo of the plaster cast of Anna's handprint I had to wonder: if her fingerprints were entered into the (NCIC?) system, might it be possible to get a hit? I don't know if a 5-year-old's fingerprints could be matched to an adult's, how long afterward fingerprints could be recovered from an object (as of last month Anna has been missing for a third of a century), or if any of the objects that Annasmom put away might hold such evidence, but it's a thought.
mysteriew
06-21-2006, 12:53 PM
LOL, I thought of that too. I believe that CSI did have an episode about that once.
From what I know about fingerprints, your fingerprints are always your fingerprints, you are born with them and you die with the same ones. I would guess the problem would be in how the cast was done. My guess is that Anna placed her hand in a semi-solid, or damp sand. Then plaster was probably poured in that. If so the ridge detail was probably not clear or was destroyed in the transfer to plaster.
The only way that the print detail could have been picked up (like on CSI) would have been if both the imprint and the cast were of a finegrained substance like a plastic or rubber.
Dr. Doogie
06-21-2006, 01:08 PM
I also had considered the possibility of getting fingerprints from the hand cast, but it does sound unlikely that it would work with what we have.
Another possibilty is DNA - there is a type of DNA that passes from mother-to-child where identification is possible. However, I do not know if getting a DNA sample from Annasmom would be useful when checking any DNA that is on file with LE (CODIS?). In other words, I know that a direct sample from Anna could be run through the system for a match, but could the automated matching process be used to locate potential matches with Annasmom's "second-generation" DNA sample?
mysteriew
06-21-2006, 04:57 PM
The FBI has a DNA database for missing persons. And if a direct DNA sample is not available, they will take DNA from relatives. That database is what is used in making matches to unidentifieds. I don't know if it crosses over to any other database, but I know they use it on unidentifieds. If Annasmom hasn't submitted a sample, she should get in touch with NCMEC and ask how to go about submitting one.
Annasmom, how did they make the plaster cast of Annashand?
Dr. Doogie
06-21-2006, 06:13 PM
The FBI has a DNA database for missing persons. And if a direct DNA sample is not available, they will take DNA from relatives. That database is what is used in making matches to unidentifieds. I don't know if it crosses over to any other database, but I know they use it on unidentifieds. If Annasmom hasn't submitted a sample, she should get in touch with NCMEC and ask how to go about submitting one.
Annasmom has not submitted a sample yet, because there never has been a specific unidentified that they thought was Anna. If there is a mechanism to automatically check against all UID's, then definitely we should explore that. It is also possible that Anna's DNA could turn up in a criminal case where a match could be made.
Annasmom, how did they make the plaster cast of Annashand?
Annasmom is unavailable for about one more week, but I believe that the cast was made in kindergarten as an art project in 1972.
mysteriew
06-21-2006, 07:59 PM
Annasmom has not submitted a sample yet, because there never has been a specific unidentified that they thought was Anna. If there is a mechanism to automatically check against all UID's, then definitely we should explore that. It is also possible that Anna's DNA could turn up in a criminal case where a match could be made.
Annasmom is unavailable for about one more week, but I believe that the cast was made in kindergarten as an art project in 1972.
Thanks Dr. D. I wasn't sure if she was back yet. In working on the cast, you have to have a base that Anna would have put her hand in, and then when that material dried, the plaster would have been poured into the cast and allowed to set up. I was just wondering what the base was made of.
Dr. Doogie
06-22-2006, 11:11 AM
I believe that what we have is just the imprint of her hand in plaster or clay. Annasmom can clarify this when she returns.
Dr. Doogie
06-22-2006, 12:58 PM
...I decided it might be a bigger mistake to underestimate the capabilities of a delusional paranoid-schizophrenic who had earned degrees at two different Ivy League universities.
I am glad that you made this point, Annasunc. As "stupid" as the relationship between Waters and Brody appears to outsiders, it is easy to assume that Waters was not intelligent. This would be a horrible mistake - he was most likely a genius who was vulnerable due to his illness. His psychosis advanced quickly after he met Brody, but just a few short years earlier, he was earning advanced degrees from the best universities on the planet. No, he was one smart cookie and capable of some extremely clever manuevers.
hoping4truth
06-22-2006, 06:38 PM
I believe that what we have is just the imprint of her hand in plaster or clay. Annasmom can clarify this when she returns.
I don't post much here but I read every day. You guys are awesome!
I wanted to tell you all I made a handprint when I was in Kindergarten.
We used a type of dough, similar to what you would use to make playdough, and we put our hands directly on it. We put a hole in the top with a pencil, and put string through the hole. It dried over the weekend, I think. Anyway, I remember every ridge coming out. I remember asking my teacher why we had fingerprints. It wasn't really a cast, persay (that would be expensive, I would think) but a handprint in salted dough.
Maybe a similar type of material was used for Anna's handprint - it's very cost effective. :D
Good Luck!
Annasmom
06-29-2006, 06:54 PM
The FBI has a DNA database for missing persons. And if a direct DNA sample is not available, they will take DNA from relatives. That database is what is used in making matches to unidentifieds. I don't know if it crosses over to any other database, but I know they use it on unidentifieds. If Annasmom hasn't submitted a sample, she should get in touch with NCMEC and ask how to go about submitting one.
Annasmom, how did they make the plaster cast of Annashand?
As far as I can tell, the kindergarten teacher just put plaster of Paris in a small piepan and the children put their hands directly into the plaster when it was beginning to harden. I also have an ash tray Anna made from clay which has little fingerprints all over it. The top is glazed, but the bottom is not. I think someone who knew what he was doing could probably get something from this, though of course most of the fingerprints are smeared.
Annasmom
06-29-2006, 06:59 PM
I believe that what we have is just the imprint of her hand in plaster or clay. Annasmom can clarify this when she returns.Hi! We got back late yesterday, and trying to catch up on the forum reminded me of the ash tray (I just mentioned it in another post) which probably has better partial fingerprints than the plaster cast. It made me feel good that all of you have still been sleuthing while I was gone.
Annasmom
06-29-2006, 07:04 PM
I am Annasmom's youngest brother, Dan. I was a college senior at the time of Anna's disappearance, living in married students' housing with my son and then wife about two thousand miles away (my son is three years younger than his cousin Anna). Because of the distance involved, the great amount of uncertainty surrounding the case and my reluctance to intrude on my sister's grief, there is a lot I am finding out here for the first time. I want to thank the members of this forum for the interest and involvement they've shown to the case and the comfort and love they've shown my sister.
What a lovely surprise, trying to catch up on everything written since June 14, to read these posts from my little brother. Isn't this forum amazing?
Annasmom
06-29-2006, 07:05 PM
I don't post much here but I read every day. You guys are awesome!
I wanted to tell you all I made a handprint when I was in Kindergarten.
We used a type of dough, similar to what you would use to make playdough, and we put our hands directly on it. We put a hole in the top with a pencil, and put string through the hole. It dried over the weekend, I think. Anyway, I remember every ridge coming out. I remember asking my teacher why we had fingerprints. It wasn't really a cast, persay (that would be expensive, I would think) but a handprint in salted dough.
Maybe a similar type of material was used for Anna's handprint - it's very cost effective. :D
Good Luck!
I'll go take a closer look. I have the handprint all wrapped up in bubble wrap.
mysteriew
06-30-2006, 01:50 AM
You might consider taking the handprint and the ashtray to a private forensics lab and see if they could get fingerprints from that.
Here is an article that describes the FBI DNA database, and the plan to use it to connect unidentifieds to families.
"We need to broaden our capability," said Thomas Callaghan, director of the FBI's national DNA database program. He said the FBI is in "a very good position" to identify remains through family members because of the agency's small but growing database of missing persons and unidentified remains, plus its experience in using computers to match DNA.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-05-30-dna-database_x.htm
The article says that they plan to start using it this fall, but I am pretty sure that they have been using it on a limited basis before now. And in the article it does talk about the fact that they have made a "handful" of matches so far. But they have now developed a new type of DNA computer search plan which is supposed to make it better.
Gina_M
07-07-2006, 04:55 AM
My name is Gina and I am a 31 y.o. living in Southern California. For as long as I can remember, I've been interested in unsolved mysteries and things of that nature. Recently I found Websleuths and became very interested in Anna's case. I've spent hours reading the threads on here as well as Annasmom's manuscript. You all seem like a nice group of people with some great ideas and detective skills. I will try to help in any way I can, even if it's just a throwaway idea or two. I've been doing some internet searches tonight, so I will let you know if I find anything that may be of help :)
Dr. Doogie
07-07-2006, 12:17 PM
Welcome to the search, Gina. Your input is always appreciated. Just when we think we have exhausted all of our ideas, someone has always come up with a fresh idea that is worth exploring.
Hello, I was born Jo Ann Sly (hundreds of years ago the word Sly meant "to have a knowing").
My greatest achievement, joy is my Son who has also made me a MeeMa by giving me 3 wonderful Grandchildren. I live in a most enchanting valley 15 miles from Death Valley Junction. I am a herbalist, genealogist & a researcher.
I read a lot more than I post (unless I can contribute something). Sure wish I knew how to help on this case. I think you are all wonderful people.
Anna's Mom, Brother. Joe, I am so very sorry for all the pain. I went to school with a girl Jody Miller (I have a thread on her in the Cold Cases) who was murdered 35 years ago and her killer has still not been caught and it eats at me so bad at times.
Hoping for the best,
Sly
Dr. Doogie
10-09-2006, 02:20 AM
Welcome, Sly. For those of you who are not familiar with the story, It was Sly's sleuthing that finally confirmed what others had suspected - that Delia Cly's story was a hoax. Great work on that case, Sly, and it is great to have you looking in on our case here.
itsreenw
10-09-2006, 02:50 AM
Hi, I'm Karene. (pronounced Car-een) I live in Northern California, I'm 39, divorced, no kids. I work as a Senior Technician in DMV Headquarters Mandatory Actions Unit (Suspensions, DUI's, etc...)
I saw Anna's pic and was instantly drawn to her smile.
I am a volunteer researcher for adoptees & those seeking missing family members. I spend most of my time searching and not so much posting these days but I am here. I will be here till we bring Anna home. I already shared this but just to renew some hope, I found my mom's sibs in England and Australia after nearly 40 yrs and I just found a lady who's brother has been looking for her most of his adult life. They reunited last month in WA after 47 yrs.
Doogie & Mikie, if I may call you that- I am on your team for the duration.
Welcome, Sly. For those of you who are not familiar with the story, It was Sly's sleuthing that finally confirmed what others had suspected - that Delia Cly's story was a hoax. Great work on that case, Sly, and it is great to have you looking in on our case here.
Hi there Dr. D.
I wish this one was as easy as the delia case. That one & this one are the only loooong ones that I ever read right through. But when I got to the end of the delia case.... y'all had all the answers there for me. Wish this one was like that one. But it's nice to see so many of the same names on this one.
Anna's family does have the best of the best websleuths working on it.
Big hugs to all of you.
Sly
Dr. Doogie
10-09-2006, 11:19 AM
Hi, I'm Karene. (pronounced Car-een) I live in Northern California, I'm 39, divorced, no kids. I work as a Senior Technician in DMV Headquarters Mandatory Actions Unit (Suspensions, DUI's, etc...)
I saw Anna's pic and was instantly drawn to her smile.
I am a volunteer researcher for adoptees & those seeking missing family members. I spend most of my time searching and not so much posting these days but I am here. I will be here till we bring Anna home. I already shared this but just to renew some hope, I found my mom's sibs in England and Australia after nearly 40 yrs and I just found a lady who's brother has been looking for her most of his adult life. They reunited last month in WA after 47 yrs.
Doogie & Mikie, if I may call you that- I am on your team for the duration.Itsreenw:
Thanks for the letting us know how your name is pronounced - I had always wondered. Your help has been greatly appreciated here on the forum!
Annasmom
10-09-2006, 12:16 PM
Hello, I was born Jo Ann Sly (hundreds of years ago the word Sly meant "to have a knowing").
My greatest achievement, joy is my Son who has also made me a MeeMa by giving me 3 wonderful Grandchildren. I live in a most enchanting valley 15 miles from Death Valley Junction. I am a herbalist, genealogist & a researcher.
Hoping for the best,
Sly
Welcome, Sly. Your post made me feel good.
Annasmom
10-09-2006, 12:18 PM
Hi, I'm Karene. (pronounced Car-een)
I saw Anna's pic and was instantly drawn to her smile.
I am a volunteer researcher for adoptees & those seeking missing family members. I spend most of my time searching and not so much posting these days but I am here. I will be here till we bring Anna home. I already shared this but just to renew some hope, I found my mom's sibs in England and Australia after nearly 40 yrs and I just found a lady who's brother has been looking for her most of his adult life. They reunited last month in WA after 47 yrs.
Doogie & Mikie, if I may call you that- I am on your team for the duration. Itsreenw, your story gives me hope. Thank you.
suzannej
01-28-2007, 12:57 PM
Hi Im Suzanne Im 38 and been married for 16 years . I live in a town called Hastings in the uk.I have 3 children all girls aged 15 12 and 2 and Im expecting another in August !!!
We have several animals.. dogs cats and tortoises.
I came acrossed Annas site by accident ,but am now totally absorbed with all the work everyone puts in .
Annas Mum is just so brave my heart goes out to her the boys and Jo.
If your ever visiting the uk Annas mum your always welcome for a cuppa !
I strongly believe Anna is alive and will be found .I believe the link is with the Georges .
I pray for her return .
MagicRose99
01-28-2007, 03:44 PM
Hi Im Suzanne Im 38 and been married for 16 years . I live in a town called Hastings in the uk.I have 3 children all girls aged 15 12 and 2 and Im expecting another in August !!!
We have several animals.. dogs cats and tortoises.
I came acrossed Annas site by accident ,but am now totally absorbed with all the work everyone puts in .
Annas Mum is just so brave my heart goes out to her the boys and Jo.
If your ever visiting the uk Annas mum your always welcome for a cuppa !
I strongly believe Anna is alive and will be found .I believe the link is with the Georges .
I pray for her return .
Welcome to Anna's place! The people here work very hard on trying to solve the mystery and most of all, Annasmom is our hero!
barb0301
01-29-2007, 03:28 AM
Hi - I'm Barb, and I live in S. Texas. Mom to 7, aged 12-34, with 13 wonderful grandkids. I am at home on disability right now, not knowing when I'll be able to go back to work. I spend a lot of time reading here on WS, and Anna's case has me hooked. You guys are wonderful, and maybe I'll be able to contribute at some point. Every one seems to have such differing talents, and it's amazing to me how working together, you are able to do so much. Not sure what other talents I may have, but for sure, if you ever need the talent listed below, I'm your gal !!:
I know that is not your nature, but I would recommend that you get in touch with your "inner-*****" and become a pain in their rear. :dance:
You all are wonderful, and I admire your devotion so much !!
Annasmom
01-29-2007, 10:27 AM
Hi - I'm Barb, and I live in S. Texas. Mom to 7, aged 12-34, with 13 wonderful grandkids. I am at home on disability right now, not knowing when I'll be able to go back to work. I spend a lot of time reading here on WS, and Anna's case has me hooked. You guys are wonderful, and maybe I'll be able to contribute at some point. Every one seems to have such differing talents, and it's amazing to me how working together, you are able to do so much. Not sure what other talents I may have, but for sure, if you ever need the talent listed below, I'm your gal !!:
:dance:
You all are wonderful, and I admire your devotion so much !! Barb. pleased to meet you. You're right about this group. They're really extraordinary.
InterestedNHelping
01-29-2007, 01:18 PM
Hi everyone,
Since I am blabbering so much on here...hehehe, I should introduce myself as well!
I am Pat,(I'll be 40 soon!) mom of 3 children, and I do alot of online research in adoption and a bit in missing persons. All my research was initially done for family reasons, but I found alot and connected things that seemed impossible.
I also have had intuitive things about cases unrelated to me, and sometimes have insight into things that I don't always know why. When I saw Anna's info, it "hit' me rather hard, as if I belonged looking at it. After initially putting it aside for a week or so, I reconnected to it, and was not sure why. So, I am here looking and learning, and hopefully I was put here to help.
From one mom to another, I think that our motherly hearts connect to this, and want to help by the natural order of life!
Good to meet you all, you seem amazing and loving folks!
Pat
dbradford04
02-01-2007, 04:52 PM
Whew! I finally made onto the forum after some struggles with Websleuth. They were ver kind and helpful once I got through to the right person.
My name is Dan Bradford. Doug and Nonda were and are very dear friends of mine from High School. I have been steadily following the progress of this case for some time and continue to be hopeful and facinated.
First my heartfelt thanks for Doug's work on this to bring it to the forefront.
Second, my heart goes out to anna'smom, Joe, Anna's brothers and family's. Shortly after Anna's disappearance, I came to Half Moon Bay with my own set of problems, and even though I was one of Nonda's closest friends, I was only vaguely aware of the disappearance. My apologies to the family for not being aware and more supportive.
I'm quite sure that I don't have any relevant information, but I may add a comment from time to time, and offer some critical thinking.
Here's hoping for some sort of resolution, and thanks for everyone and their input on this sight. It has been facinating.
Dr. Doogie
02-01-2007, 05:11 PM
Hey, Dano! You made it! Good to see you here. :clap:
Annasmom
02-01-2007, 07:54 PM
Hey, Dano! You made it! Good to see you here. :clap:
Welcome, Dan, and thanks for your kind words.
Lurker
04-12-2007, 01:39 PM
My name is Kristen, born and raised in Howard County, MD. Married in 97 and moved to Frederick for a few years and just moved to Wild and wonderful Charles Town, WV last month. I'm the proud mother of a beautiful 4 year old boy and also my "other kids" a 140 lb 5 year old Rottie and a 95 lb. 3 year old Pitt. The saddest part is all 3 of them sleep in the bed with my husband and I. LOL
I came to webslueths during the Trenton Duckett case and found Anna's thread through the Delia Cly fiasco. I also have a small connection to the Sheila and Katherine Lyons case since my cousins lived on Plyers Mill Rd and we would walk the same path to Wheaton Plaza around the same time as the Lyons' sister disappearance.
SherlockJr
04-12-2007, 01:53 PM
Welcome to the forum Lurker. I believe I've seen you here in the wee hours of the morning and now the reason.... no room in your bed for you!
Lurker
04-12-2007, 02:01 PM
Welcome to the forum Lurker. I believe I've seen you here in the wee hours of the morning and now the reason.... no room in your bed for you!
Exactly! It kinds of hard to sleep on one side all night with your feet propped up on a dog. :p
Dr. Doogie
04-12-2007, 02:42 PM
Because he is too shy to do this himself, I wanted to post that Annasbro will be running in the Boston Marathon this Monday April 16th at 10am EST. If you would like to follow his progress and cheer him on via the internet, go to http://www.bostonmarathon.org/ and search for participants under the last name of "Trimis". Because each runner has a tracking chip in there shoe, you will be able to see when he passes each checkpoint.
For those of you who are unfamiliar with the sport of marathoning, it started back in ancient Greece when the Greeks suffered a major military defeat. One soldier was chosen to run back to the King's castle (26.2 miles away) and and inform him of the events. The soldier ran the distance nonstop, informed the King, and promptly dropped dead. And from this ignoble beginnings, someone years later decided to do it again...for fun (?!?). Heck, I get exhausted walking to the fridge for a beer.
On behalf of middle-aged fat guys everywhere, I say:
Go, Bro, go!
Annasmom
04-12-2007, 03:38 PM
Because he is too shy to do this himself, I wanted to post that Annasbro will be running in the Boston Marathon this Monday April 16th at 10am EST. If you would like to follow his progress and cheer him on via the internet, go to http://www.bostonmarathon.org/ and search for participants under the last name of "Trimis". Because each runner has a tracking chip in there shoe, you will be able to see when he passes each checkpoint.
For those of you who are unfamiliar with the sport of marathoning, it started back in ancient Greece when the Greeks suffered a major military defeat. One soldier was chosen to run back to the King's castle (26.2 miles away) and and inform him of the events. The soldier ran the distance nonstop, informed the King, and promptly dropped dead. And from this ignoble beginnings, someone years later decided to do it again...for fun (?!?). Heck, I get exhausted walking to the fridge for a beer.
On behalf of middle-aged fat guys everywhere, I say:
Go, Bro, go!
You can also type in his bib number (12040) and see where he is in the course and how fast he's running!
Julessleuther
04-12-2007, 04:08 PM
Wow--I guess I need to formally introduce myself. My name is Julessleuther and I live in CA. I was adopted at age 5. As an adult, after a seven yr search, I successfully found three natural siblings (from various states in the Southwest). I have met two of them, but for private reasons have not met the third. I have also met my birth mother, my older natural brother and sisters father, and am aware of where my birth father is (I have absolutely NO interest in meeting him). Through my (and some of my older natural sisters research) we have uncovered many family skeletons, lies, and even perhaps another sibling out there in this world. I have a real quest for the truth, aftering being told so many lies. The research has been interesting, but many times emotional, so I have put my own "work" on a back burner for now. Perhaps someday I will ask for your help with my research. From learning the "ropes" of research, I have become interested in helping others find missing people and information. I have lurked at websleuths for two yrs but just recently joined to start helping others. I have so much to learn from those of you who are veterans at sleuthing and tip my hat to you for all you do. I hope in the course of my help that I do not step on any toes, and that I can truly be helpful to those who need it! :blowkiss:
Dr. Doogie
04-12-2007, 04:17 PM
Welcome, Jules. We can always use another geneaological researcher here! I never would have guessed when we started this process how often researching family trees would come into play in our hunt. SherlockJr has been invaluable in snooping out family ties that have eliminated several possible matches for Anna, but in the process located birth families for those girls. She and the other researchers here have been a godsend to us - they have our eternal thanks.
Hi, My name is also Anna and I came to Websleuths via the search for the identity of Boulder Jane Doe in Colorado. Obviously, Anna's name caught my attention and I have regularily checked on the status of the search. I'm 52, single (with a sweet boyfriend and future plans) and the proud guardian to three Shelties in my life. (They have bed right too!) I have some law enforcement experience early in my career and current full time work keeps me too busy. I look forward to retirement and hopefully becoming more involved in this style of research. One success makes every minute worth it, what a way to "Make a Difference" in someone's life. God's Blessings to Dr. Doogie, Annasmom and all you dedicated websleuthers no matter what cases you're working with.
raindrops300
04-12-2007, 04:38 PM
Hi, I'm LuAnne, 53, with daughters, 20 and 26. I'm from Alabama and, as well as the daughters, I have 2 dogs, a hamster, and a rabbit. I am retired from federal civil service and reading is my favorite hobby. I visit here quite a bit, since following a Sharon Marshall link from another website. I'm very impressed with the progress this case is making. I don't say much on here, but I am here for support and I'll be cheering you all on!
Dr. Doogie
04-12-2007, 06:32 PM
(Keep in mind that I am asking this as an owner/servant of three cats) Does everyone here on WS have a higher than average amount of pets? :rolleyes:
MissieMt
04-12-2007, 06:49 PM
(Keep in mind that I am asking this as an owner/servant of three cats) Does everyone here on WS have a higher than average amount of pets? :rolleyes:
Yes, I think we do! I have 3 dogs, an english bulldog and two pound puppies ( there not puppies anymore!) we also have a guinea pig, two aquatic turtles and a fish.
And allow me to introduce myself. My name is Melissa, I was born and raised in Killeen, Texas and now live in Mississippi with my husband and two kids ages 7 and 2. I found this website in January and was a spectator until today. The hard work and dedication I have seen on Websleuths finally gave me the courage to start a thread on what has always been "taboo" in my family. One of my sisters went missing in July of 1990 and was never seen again. I hope to someday have answers to what happened to her.
MagicRose99
04-12-2007, 08:44 PM
(Keep in mind that I am asking this as an owner/servant of three cats) Does everyone here on WS have a higher than average amount of pets? :rolleyes:
I've got a dog and a cat... used to have a hamster, but those little guys only last 4 years if your lucky, and after about the 5th hamster, I said enough! LOL!
spikydragon
04-12-2007, 09:18 PM
(Keep in mind that I am asking this as an owner/servant of three cats) Does everyone here on WS have a higher than average amount of pets? :rolleyes:
5 cats (had 8 cats at one time) ... oh yeah, guess I never introduced myself on this thread either: 35 years old (in a few days), living in Finland, mostly a lurker (I'm awfully forum-shy). Can't remember why I came to Websleuths in the first place, but I'm staying here for Anna's case.
SadieMae
04-12-2007, 09:38 PM
(Keep in mind that I am asking this as an owner/servant of three cats) Does everyone here on WS have a higher than average amount of pets? :rolleyes:
I don't have a higher than aver number of pets, but mine are bigger than average, and one cat who runs the show. :D
Welcome to all the new posters on WS!!!
dhchick04
04-12-2007, 10:32 PM
Hi, just started reading about this case today and I am hooked. My heart goes out to Anna's family. But I do, as well as many other's, hold high hopes that she is alive.
My name is Katie and I'm a 21 year old dental hygiene student from Missouri. I love animals(have 7 pets)and regularly volunteer at shelters. My family and friends mean the world to me.
Anyways, you all are in my thoughts and prayers!
mfmangel1
04-13-2007, 02:29 AM
(Keep in mind that I am asking this as an owner/servant of three cats) Does everyone here on WS have a higher than average amount of pets? :rolleyes:
Nine cats here at our house. They were all rescue kitties! They control the house. We just pay the bills and provide the food.
Lurker
04-13-2007, 09:20 AM
(Keep in mind that I am asking this as an owner/servant of three cats) Does everyone here on WS have a higher than average amount of pets? :rolleyes:
Doogie, sounds that way doesn't it? And if some don't have an above average amount of pets, they sure do treat them like people. Everyone always makes a comment on how completely and totally spoiled my two boys are. While I only have 2 dogs, and that's a big stress on the "only", it sure seems like there's at least 4 of each of them. Everytime I turn around they're there, even if they were upstairs a few seconds before that. And due to their size, 140 and 95 lbs, they average out to about 5 normal size dogs. LOL
Great work on the case, you are truly amazing and I can see why Anna's Mom says you are her hero!
iNTERESTEDWOMAN
04-13-2007, 10:46 AM
My name is Lori and I was a lurker on WS for a while until I finally had to ask just 1 question. I wasn't prepared to think of a log-in name so I just picked something silly real quick thinking I would never ask another question...LOL (I really wish there was a way to change my log in name!)
Anyway, I became hooked on Anna's case almost immediately.
I'm a stay at home mom of 2. They are both in school now, so I have taken on a few book keeping part time jobs at home. We live on a farm, out in the middle of nowheresville...we have lots of pets...(grin).
I have become very interested in genealogy over the last several years and have traced my fathers family back 12 generations to 1700's England...so cool. I'm now working on my mothers side, but her maiden name is almost as popular as Smith! It's very difficult.
My husband and friends call me a "Jack of all trades"...I warmly remind them I am a master of none. As you may have noticed, I have a vivid imagination, impatient, and usually see the glass half-empty.:rolleyes:
Here's wishing the best for "C", Anna, her loving family, and all who have helped to get to this point! Cheers!
Dr. Doogie
04-13-2007, 11:54 AM
Welcome to all of the new posters (and pet lovers)!
I have had an interest in Anna's case dating back to 1974 when I first met her family. I was a teenager (friends with Anna's two brothers) at the time and unable to really do anything to help the family in their search. It wasn't until the last couple of years that all of the planets aligned to allow me to have the time and the tools in place to look for Anna.
Consider this: if there were no such things as home computers and the Internet, we would have never had access to the information that has lead to the progress that we have made. And if cyber-communities such as Webslueths did not exist, we never would have been able to gather such a distinguished group of people who have been the true heros in this story.
Several people refer to me as a "super-sleuther" and such, but the reality is that my role has been more of a manager of the different directions the information has lead us - it is you people that have generated the evidence and ideas that have moved this case along. My contribution has been more in line with nudging the investigation in certain directions, then stepping out of the way as gung-ho members here ran with the ball. None of these researchers has been seeking glory, only to do whatever they could reunite Anna and her family. I have been receiving a lot of kudos recently, but I want everyone to know:
You all are my heroes!
WholeLottaRosie
04-14-2007, 04:00 PM
(Keep in mind that I am asking this as an owner/servant of three cats) Does everyone here on WS have a higher than average amount of pets? :rolleyes:
Hmmm - I suppose I do - have five kitties that reside inside, and in the garden a hare along with a colony of stray/semi wild cats, that we feed and have made a couple little houses for.
SherlockJr
04-16-2007, 02:12 PM
You can also type in his bib number (12040) and see where he is in the course and how fast he's running!
Our hats off to you Annasbro! A great performance in the marathon! :clap:
Dr. Doogie
04-16-2007, 02:37 PM
Annasbro finished the Boston Marathon with a time of 3:47:07. And this was done in harsh weather!
As I watched him pass the 5K, 10K, etc markers, I was thinking how I would have been puking at the 2K mark and paramedics would have been using the defibbulator paddles on me by 3K.
Great job, Bro!
Annasmom
04-16-2007, 04:12 PM
Annasbro finished the Boston Marathon with a time of 3:47:07. And this was done in harsh weather!
As I watched him pass the 5K, 10K, etc markers, I was thinking how I would have been puking at the 2K mark and paramedics would have been using the defibbulator paddles on me by 3K.
Great job, Bro! Well, we all have different kinds of endurance. I held my breath until I knew those 50 MPH winds hadn't blown him away! His actual running time was 3:32:21. I don't know how they compute the difference between that and the official time. YAY!!!
GraceBlue
04-16-2007, 06:10 PM
Great Job Annasbro!
You crack me up Doogie!
Annasbro
04-18-2007, 01:41 PM
Thanks everyone for their support and congratulations. I made it! The conditions were a bit harsh and the anticipation un-nerving. When it got to the race it was not unlike a long run in the Seattle wind and rain. Not my first choice for conditions but survivable. It marked my 18th marathon and 5th Boston. I had a great race until I hit the wall at 22. I am sore and proud to have completed another - Thanks again!
Dr. Doogie
04-18-2007, 01:45 PM
...I had a great race until I hit the wall at 22...
Most of us would have hit the wall while walking form our car to the starting line.
Dr. Doogie
02-11-2008, 04:35 PM
My name is Maria and I am 40ish. I now live in Huntington, W.V. with my husband (a software developer/programmer) of almost nine years and numerous cats. I am originally from Portsmouth, Oh and have lived in Atlanta, Tampa and Cincinnati. I attended the Galloway School and Oglethorpe University in Atlanta. I was a Merit System administrator for the State of Georgia for many years and held a similar position for a local area hospital. I moved back to the area to be closer to my family, especially my grandparents. My mother and I share caregiver duties for them.
I spend time reading about true crime and Anna's case really touched my heart. In her pictures, it is as if she is reaching out to you....There is something very special about her. Yes, she is lovely and adorable, but there is something else. Looking at her smile makes me smile.
I do not want to downplay the many other missing children we have listed on the boards, but some of us do have our "special cases" and for me, it is Anna.
In addition, I have a powerful feeling that Anna is definitely still alive. I don't have any reason as to why I feel that is the case....I just do.
I received a PM from Maria/mfmangel1's husband today that Maria unexpectedly passed away yesterday. I am stunned by suddeness of her her death, but I am also very touched that he felt it important to share the news of her passing with us. Anna's case had a special appeal to Maria and we have always appreciated her input on this forum
One thought comes to my mind: If you believe that the afterlife is where all truth is revealed, then Maria now knows the answers that we who remain in the earthly realm continue to seek.
Please pray for her family and friends who will miss her. I feel honored that she considered us among her friends.
Doug
InterestedNHelping
02-11-2008, 04:51 PM
Blessings and peace to her family, I remember her as a kind person in all of her posts. I am so sorry for your loss.
Cubby
02-11-2008, 05:37 PM
Thanks for sharing the information Doogie. That was very kind of her husband to send you a pm. I do believe, as you suggested in your post Doogie.
Prayers to Maria's Husband and family at this time. She will be missed here at the ACW forum and WS.
smile22
02-11-2008, 07:30 PM
aww prayers for her family she will be missed here @ websleuths
MagicRose99
02-11-2008, 07:32 PM
Condolences and prayers to Maria's family. I'm sorry that we lost a wonderful being and know that she is in God's arms now.
Annasmom
02-11-2008, 08:52 PM
I don't have an address for Maria, but hopefully someone who does will let her family know that all of us are very sorry for their loss. She was a caregiver and a caring person, and I know she will be sorely missed. It was very good of them to let us know so that we can hold her in our thoughts and prayers.
Gina_M
02-12-2008, 03:11 AM
I received a PM from Maria/mfmangel1's husband today that Maria unexpectedly passed away yesterday. I am stunned by suddeness of her her death, but I am also very touched that he felt it important to share the news of her passing with us. Anna's case had a special appeal to Maria and we have always appreciated her input on this forum
One thought comes to my mind: If you believe that the afterlife is where all truth is revealed, then Maria now knows the answers that we who remain in the earthly realm continue to seek.
Please pray for her family and friends who will miss her. I feel honored that she considered us among her friends.
Doug
Wow...I'm so sorry to hear about this. R.I.P. mfmangel. I do believe as well, that she knows the answers we are seeking. Perhaps she is now the guardian angel for Anna's forum :)
smile22
02-12-2008, 08:48 AM
i posted up a thread in the jury room she posted a lot in the threads over there
Dr. Doogie
02-12-2008, 11:15 AM
i posted up a thread in the jury room she posted a lot in the threads over there
Thanks, Smile22. Maria's husband asked that we let everyone who knew her know about her passing - thanks for spreading the sad news.
laini
02-12-2008, 02:31 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60279
Here is the link to the Jury room thread about Mfmangel1's passing. If her family visits here and can access the Jury Room, I just wanted them to know/see how much she will be greatly missed here at websleuths.
Dr. Doogie
02-14-2008, 01:05 AM
Because of the passing of mfmangel1, I have been remiss in mentioning the passing of another person who has been helpful in our search for Anna. U.S. Congressman Tom Lantos who represented the district that Annasmom lives in passed away also this week. The Congressman and his staff were very helpful at expediting the DNA test for "C". We appreciate his efforts and offer our condolenseces to his family.
rideforfun
02-15-2008, 10:51 AM
Thanks Dr. Doogie. Both of these people will be in my thoughts and prayers. I hope their families take comfort in the lecacy of caring and unselfish acts. So often we focus on what we accomplish but it is equally as important to think our actions, values and behavior.
The people on this group are such an inspiration to me -- we have no guarantee that will we accomplish our quest but everyday I learn so much from the journey.
Blessings to all.
Bree0372
03-12-2008, 01:02 PM
Hi all! I have been a lurker for quite a while and am very impressed by all the information you all have gathered in the search for Anna. Not to mention, the support for which everyone has provided to her mother. What a wonderful group you are!
AnnasMom - my heart breaks for you. You have been in my prayers for quite a while and I pray that the Lord will reunite you with your precious child. You deserve to know where she is, and if she isn't with our Lord, then she deserves to know from where she came. I will continue to keep you and Anna in my thoughts and prayers.
Annasmom
04-13-2008, 06:35 PM
Congratulations to SherlockJr and her family! Sherlock's daughter gave birth to a healthy baby girl early this morning.
mkath59
04-13-2008, 09:22 PM
congrats Sherlockjr & K!!
(I'm a newbie but I've known Sherlock & her family for about 30 years)
Dr. Doogie
04-14-2008, 12:44 PM
Welcome to the world, SherlockJrJrJr!
Cubby
04-15-2008, 08:53 AM
Congratulations!
Welcome to the world little one.
Gina_M
04-15-2008, 01:23 PM
Welcome, Sherlock IV! :)
SherlockJr
04-19-2008, 11:56 AM
Thanks for all the welcomes for Méav. Baby makes nine in our household!
Dr. Doogie
06-19-2008, 01:12 PM
Today is my 50th birthday. Why didn't someone tell me I would live this long so I could have taken better care of myself before now? :eek:
Rhett
06-19-2008, 02:01 PM
Happy Birthday Doogie! You are only as old as you feel, lol.
MagicRose99
06-19-2008, 03:51 PM
Today is my 50th birthday. Why didn't someone tell me I would live this long so I could have taken better care of myself before now? :eek:
:HappyBday Happy birthday Doogie! :HappyBday
Cubby
06-21-2008, 03:19 AM
Happy Belated 50th Doug.
Tie a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree got me out of bed. That's what I get for going to sleep with the oldies station on. Anna's age and listening to some good old music that is maybe before your and Nonda's time.
Hang on Sloopy is on now, and the Beatles are kind of "too new"...
Anna and I are wishing you a real 409' or little duece coop kind of 50's birthday, fins and all! Who was spinning records a few years before Anna was born in the SF area? Late 50's early 60's
Happy 50'th Doug!
SideKick
06-27-2008, 12:11 PM
Hi Everyone!
This is Nancy, your 'Canadian Friend' for Anna's forum. It is so wonderful to finally be on the forum.
I have been on the sidelines for 1 1/2 years searching for Anna and reading all the posts daily!
Best to you all,
SideKick
SherlockJr
06-27-2008, 12:14 PM
Hi Everyone!
This is Nancy, your 'Canadian Friend' for Anna's forum. It is so wonderful to finally be on the forum.
I have been on the sidelines for 1 1/2 years searching for Anna and reading all the posts daily!
Best to you all,
SideKick
Welcome aboard, Sidekick! Glad to see the gates open for you! :clap:
Cubby
06-27-2008, 04:55 PM
Welcome Sidekick! Glad to have you here. I have appreciated the efforts you have made on this case that have been passed along!
SideKick
06-28-2008, 11:41 AM
Thanks so much!
Hugs, SideKick :)
iNTERESTEDWOMAN
06-28-2008, 12:16 PM
Glad you are here Sidekick. If you don't mind sharing, what do you think happened to Anna? Do you have any theories...or gut feelings? Strangers, Brody, bikers? It would be nice to get a fresh prospective. As many of us here, I think of Anna every day. Whenever I hear the year 1973 on TV or other media, my ears always perk up. I don't know why Anna is so near and dear to my heart, but I'm guessing it's because I have a younger brother whom I've always been very protective of who is just a few weeks younger than Anna.
Anyway, from different things SherlockJr has said over the months, you have been a very valuable asset in the search for Anna. You rock!
asher1979
06-28-2008, 03:31 PM
Hi Everybody... I'm a lurker that was finally able to join. I don't have much insight on this case because you all have put forth some brilliant research and ideas. I just wanted to let Anna's mom and family know that there is 1 more person out there that is sending them positive thoughts/prayers/vibes. This case caught my attention about a year ago and I stayed up until all night reading every single thread.
I was so touched by her curls and beautiful eyes (myself and my daughter have curls so that may be what initially sparked my attention). I can only pray that someday soon you have your Anna back with you.
P.S. My truly uneducated opinion is that this something has to do with the two Georges. Everything just seems way too coincidental. What does Occam's razor say: the simplest solution is the best (or something like that). While, this case is not simple at all, I do think it is too coincidental to ignore the two Georges.
SherlockJr
06-28-2008, 05:36 PM
Welcome to Anna's forum Asher1979! Feel free to post anytime!
SideKick
06-29-2008, 02:47 PM
Thank you InterestedW,
My thoughts? This case is so full of mysteries and coincidences it is truly mind boggling, however, I am trying to focus on the simplicities if at all possible. I read once about trying to solve a case, the answer just maybe staring us in the face. I so want to find out more about GB and who is really was, I believe he was involved in Anna's disappearance despite his quiet, weird, mysterious and sly nature, he hid from something before Anna went missing and pursuaded GW to remove Anna from her family to gain more authority over GW and more cash to buy his fedora's! Actually I am in the same position as you, I want to find Anna, I pray it is soon.
BethInAK
07-04-2008, 02:08 AM
I'm glad I took a look outside the missing folders and found this fascinating and sad case. I'm Beth (in AK not ina K) from Anchorage Alaska and I'm a sometimes websleuths loudmouth and sometimes occasional lurker. - I think its great that progress can be made on such an old case but as a mom, I find thinking about what annas mom has endured for the past thirty-odd years to be unbearable. If I drop off the face of the Anna forum its because I can't stand the heat and need to get out of the kitchen.
Annasmom
07-04-2008, 11:08 AM
I'm glad I took a look outside the missing folders and found this fascinating and sad case. I'm Beth (in AK not ina K) from Anchorage Alaska and I'm a sometimes websleuths loudmouth and sometimes occasional lurker. - I think its great that progress can be made on such an old case but as a mom, I find thinking about what annas mom has endured for the past thirty-odd years to be unbearable. If I drop off the face of the Anna forum its because I can't stand the heat and need to get out of the kitchen.
Beth, a lot of people feel that way. It just means that you are really empathic, I think. I won't say that it's easy, but there are compensations. I tried to explain in the last chapter of Searching for Anna. Thank you for your good thoughts.
BethInAK
07-06-2008, 01:14 AM
Beth, a lot of people feel that way. It just means that you are really empathic, I think. I won't say that it's easy, but there are compensations. I tried to explain in the last chapter of Searching for Anna. Thank you for your good thoughts.
Thank you Annasmom, some cases really get to me.
I'm ordering Searching for Anna - the chapter online was engrossing!
Julessleuther
07-06-2008, 05:21 PM
I agree, I feel Annasmom is so couragious and has such poise for someone who has to come here everyday and read and relive the circumstances over and over again. She is a hero in my book. Although I do not have much to contribute here, I keep coming back because of the dedication of Doogie, Annasmom et al, and I just know that someday there will be answers. I looked so similar to Anna when I was little(blond hair with curls), and was born the same year, so I have a real affinity to her and what has happened, and want her found!
I'm glad I took a look outside the missing folders and found this fascinating and sad case. I'm Beth (in AK not ina K) from Anchorage Alaska and I'm a sometimes websleuths loudmouth and sometimes occasional lurker. - I think its great that progress can be made on such an old case but as a mom, I find thinking about what annas mom has endured for the past thirty-odd years to be unbearable. If I drop off the face of the Anna forum its because I can't stand the heat and need to get out of the kitchen.
Dr. Doogie
07-07-2008, 11:55 AM
...I looked so similar to Anna when I was little(blond hair with curls), and was born the same year...
Is there anything in your history like an adoption or unexplained memories of another family? Oops, sorry. Force of habit... :saythat:
Julessleuther
07-07-2008, 08:48 PM
LOL. Yes, as a matter of fact, I was adopted when I was 4 1/2(in Philadelphia), but as an adult, I have found all my natural siblings, and know where my natural mother and father are. I look nothing like my older brother and sister(but they had a different father), but do look alot like my younger sister. Believe me, if I did not know about my natural family, I would have second thoughts myself. I am on vacation in S. CA for another two weeks, but when I get back, I will scan in a pic of myself that was taken with my natural family.
Is there anything in your history like an adoption or unexplained memories of another family? Oops, sorry. Force of habit... :saythat:
Dr. Doogie
07-18-2008, 12:44 AM
I had a short but very nice visit this evening with Ed (Anna and Annasbro's brother). He is an administrator at an inner city high school and one heck of a nice guy.
I took the opportunity to ask him about any memories about Anna's disappearance and in particular any memories about the "couple in the car" incident. He admitted that his memories from that time are all fuzzy and he is not sure what he actually remembers and what he merely heard from others and thinks he remembers. He has no specific memories of the incident with the couple.
I did give him the links to come to this site. Anna's disappearence was hard on him (like the rest of the family, though each probably have dealt with it in different ways). I hope that as he looks at this site, some things may come back to him, but even if they don't, I hope that the site will give him some reassurance that people still do remember and care about his sister.
And, Ed, when you see this: Let me be the first to welcome you to the site! It's great to have you as a friend. :Banane19:
SherlockJr
07-18-2008, 08:04 AM
We would all welcome you with open arms!
suzapalooza
07-18-2008, 11:57 AM
Hey Eddie, if you're reading this, I just want to say that we all get fuzzy memories as we get older. I do remember though your science project with plants, and how you lined them up and studied how they each reacted to different types of attention and different types of music! I think maybe the variables were one plant was ignored, one was talked to, one was touched, one you sang to, one you played something like Jimi Hendrix to, one got to hear some classical music....I can't remember the results though, can you?? I am also remembering Saturn the dog and Patchouli the cat and the big fat sheep.
And Anna, of course...
Cubby
07-18-2008, 05:47 PM
Ed, if you see this....
When I read about your dream in SFA about your daughter missing....
I sobbed with you. I try to understand, but can't. When I first started reading about Anna I was still hopeful about mystery woman C. When C turned out to not be Anna, I couldn't help but think about my son, almost 5 and Annas 5 yr stats. When the date came they were the same age, I could not have imagined missing him. I don't know that I would or could have pulled myself out of just crawling into a hole like your mother, Joe Ford, your family and friends have.
If it is some conselation (sp?) I have not only shared Anna's story, I have shared her drawings and her pictures with my 5 yr old. He tells me her drawings were so perfect. Your mom and I have private messaged a few times, and she was so kind to share a little about her personal life. While I am about 1.5 yrs older than Anna, one of my closest "girl friends" from my teens through early college years was two days older than Anna. Oh boy did we have fun back in the day... coming home at 4am after driving up to Wisconsin when the drinking age was 18 then 19 there and 21 here.... All the crazy things we did.... including droping her off a few houses down with the car lights off and knowing we would hear it from her mom for the next 3 days. I can't help but think of Anna having a blast with us, and probably getting in trouble with your mom. (Sorry Mikie, I promise the one thing we always did was have a designated driver AND make sure we dropped our friends off at home.) None of us were ever arrested.....even when we drove from the Chi town area to the border of Wisconsin and IL in a Camero with 6 girls and 6" of snow.
I've heard some of your moms music and it is fantastic! I am so honored to have been able to share a part of that....
One day, I am hoping to get out your way. Maybe see the Cubbies play the Giants.... though, I would gladly skip the ball game to visit your mom, AND, if I could have one wish from God, just one, I would gladly trade another (and all future) century(ies) of the Cubbies winning the WS to find Anna. Done easily.....
I would also only trust Joe Ford to give my son his first motorcycle ride... Eh Joe! ;) Ok, so while it is none of my business, I will honestly admit I cried when I first read that Mikie and Joe split....
Anna has found her way into many hearts and she is still making an impression, not only on those of us searching for her, but for me, my 5 yr old and what he can learn from her. :blowkiss:
smile22
07-18-2008, 06:36 PM
just the other day another memorie came to me about my childhood your mind works in different ways. i hope that this year will bring us closer if not to finding anna
birdie74
08-25-2008, 01:44 AM
Hi, my name is Julie and I live in Jacksonville, Fl. I'm 34, single, and work as an optician, mainly in the lab making the glasses. I'm the proud aunt of 3 nieces and 3 nephews, have a cat named Jake, and stay pretty busy (when not on WS) with church activities and friends.
About the only research experience I had before WS was through genealogy. I stumbled onto this website after surfing the web and finding the Sodder case, and I got really involved in it. I deliberately avoided all other "big" cases on WS that had long threads, because I did want to invest more time, spread myself too thin, and get all the details mixed up on the various cases. I only got into a couple of Jacksonville cases since they were local and the Dalton case because I like baseball, so the title caught my eye. I thought they were all safe because they were all on the first page of posts.
A few weeks ago, I got a PM from someone on the Dalton case telling me about a message she got about the "Who is George Brody?" thread, and the comparisons to Dalton. As soon as I started reading about Anna and her family I was hooked. It is just so sad, but so inspiring to see how her family, Dr. Doogie, and all of you have worked so hard to uncover what you have. I am amazed at your research and ideas.
As I read the old threads, I'm learning so much about random topics too- early 20th century boxing, hair dryers, Eastern European history, numerology, enemas- and you never know when it may come in handy in the future! Saturday night I was playing Trivial Pursuit and there was a question about the location of Minsk, and I was able to say, "I just studied a map of that area last night."
My heart just goes out to Annasmom, Joe Ford, Annasbro, her other brother, Annasunc, Dr. Doogie, and everyone else involved. I hope you get answers soon, and I want to help you in any way I can. I'm praying for all of you and Anna.
SherlockJr
09-01-2008, 02:04 PM
Congratulations to Sidekick!!! Her daughter gave birth to twins on Saturday at 10:10pm. She reports everyone is doing well!
NJshrink
09-05-2008, 01:43 AM
Despite researching Anna's case and posting here, I have not yet introduced myself. Part of the reason is I really am a shrink which means privacy and confidentiality in my field. I actually began viewing this site after a client of mine thought a family member may have been involved in a murder about thirty years ago. There were no avenues to expose nor explore this information without breaching my professional ethics. Through a few private contacts here, however, I was able to allude to the possible suspect without naming the person directly. It seems that the person now may be on police radar as he left town in the middle of the night with his family, leaving all their possessions behind. In any event, my spouse has been a judge and my grown children make us proud. I am also in direct contact with local police about a missing person from our area attempting to locate the body. My practice of over thirty years has included politicians, mafia molls, clergy and professionals among others. While I may seem a bit direct in my postings on-line, I genuinely feel great compassion for the victims and their loved ones. Just as an aside, I have supervised and taught professionals in my field as well as young people entering the fields of psychology, psychoanalysis and social work over the years. Sleuthing is my hobby and passionate interest.
Annasmom
09-07-2008, 02:38 PM
Despite researching Anna's case and posting here, I have not yet introduced myself. Part of the reason is I really am a shrink which means privacy and confidentiality in my field. I actually began viewing this site after a client of mine thought a family member may have been involved in a murder about thirty years ago. There were no avenues to expose nor explore this information without breaching my professional ethics. Through a few private contacts here, however, I was able to allude to the possible suspect without naming the person directly. It seems that the person now may be on police radar as he left town in the middle of the night with his family, leaving all their possessions behind. In any event, my spouse has been a judge and my grown children make us proud. I am also in direct contact with local police about a missing person from our area attempting to locate the body. My practice of over thirty years has included politicians, mafia molls, clergy and professionals among others. While I may seem a bit direct in my postings on-line, I genuinely feel great compassion for the victims and their loved ones. Just as an aside, I have supervised and taught professionals in my field as well as young people entering the fields of psychology, psychoanalysis and social work over the years. Sleuthing is my hobby and passionate interest.
Thank you for introducing yourself, NJS. I am wondering if you have any thoughts about a diagnosis of folie a deux for the two Georges. I suggested this to a professional at one point, but he dismissed the possibility because of his assumption that GW had intimacy issues and could not possibly be that close to GB. Of course, this was completely erroneous, since they were living together at the time.
It is always a temptation to finger the "bad guy" in a drama such as the one we are investigating, but I can't help believing that GB did great harm all around.
anne11
09-08-2008, 09:59 AM
Hi just wanted to introduce myself, I am mom of 2 girls, English but currently living in france, (any french translations needed, i'd be happy to help!) trying to use my spare time in a postive way, I would like to send hugs to Annasmom and best wishes to all:)
Joe Ford
09-08-2008, 10:48 AM
Thank you for introducing yourself, NJS. I am wondering if you have any thoughts about a diagnosis of folie a deux for the two Georges. I suggested this to a professional at one point, but he dismissed the possibility because of his assumption that GW had intimacy issues and could not possibly be that close to GB. Of course, this was completely erroneous, since they were living together at the time.
It is always a temptation to finger the "bad guy" in a drama such as the one we are investigating, but I can't help believing that GB did great harm all around.
Folie imposée is where a dominant person (known as the 'primary', 'inducer' or 'principal') initially forms a delusional belief during a psychotic episode and imposes it on another person or persons (known as the 'secondary', 'acceptor' or 'associate') with the assumption that the secondary person might not have become deluded if left to their own devices. If the parties are admitted to hospital separately then the delusions in the person with the induced beliefs usually resolve without the need of medication.
NJshrink
09-09-2008, 10:43 PM
Joe Ford's description is fairly accurate as I understand the concept of folie a deux. It is usually associated with one person holding a particularly strange notion or even a delusion. The person may or may not have a psychotic diagnosis. It can sometimes be viewed as a delusion. An example might be the persons who lived at Ruby Ridge who held the belief that the government was out to destroy them. While it turned out to be somewhat the case due to tactical and judgment errors, the original people was convinced that there was a conspiracy to do so. The wife also adopted this view espoused by her husband, hence we would say a folie a deux. Since I did not kniow the Georges personally, I can't really diagnose. It is not generally believed that folie a deux is a formal diagnosis today but merely a symptom of another disorder. It can accompany a psychotic disorder or a personality disorder.
Annasmom
09-17-2008, 11:49 AM
This is Joe Ford's birthday. Cheers!
Dr. Doogie
09-17-2008, 12:07 PM
Happy Birthday, Joe! :clap:
KivaSupporter
09-17-2008, 12:22 PM
This is Joe Ford's birthday. Cheers!
Happy birthday, Joe! Have a great day!
:)
Cubby
09-17-2008, 01:21 PM
Happy Birthday Joe!
http://s165.photobucket.com/albums/u73/cyarena/comments/bday/images/32.gif (http://www.CyArena.com/comments/bday/)
SherlockJr
09-18-2008, 08:37 AM
Happy Birthday JOKA!!!
:toastred: :partyguy: :Banane35: :HappyBday
Shecky
10-29-2008, 02:47 AM
I'm Danielle, I'm 24, married, and live in Bay Area California.
I just ordered a copy of "Searching For Anna" and am quite anxious to read it. I've read several of the threads here on Anna, but haven't really checked in with the case for a few months. I'll get around to catching up tomorrow!
I'm quite familiar with the Half Moon Bay area. In high school, my best friend and I used to drive up there quite frequently to spend afternoons hanging out at the pretty beach areas. It is a lovely place.
Joe Ford
10-29-2008, 11:44 AM
I'm Danielle, I'm 24, married, and live in Bay Area California.
I just ordered a copy of "Searching For Anna" and am quite anxious to read it. I've read several of the threads here on Anna, but haven't really checked in with the case for a few months. I'll get around to catching up tomorrow!
I'm quite familiar with the Half Moon Bay area. In high school, my best friend and I used to drive up there quite frequently to spend afternoons hanging out at the pretty beach areas. It is a lovely place.
Welcome Aboard, Danielle (Shecky). Don't hesitate to join in with any suggestions or ideas.
Joe
Chicken Hawk
11-11-2008, 11:09 AM
Hi, I have just recently registered with websleuths, but have been reading here for some time. I have followed this case for at least a year. I recently bought the Searching For Anna book and thought it was very nicely done. I wish you all the best in your search and pray that one day you will be reunited with Anna.
SideKick
11-11-2008, 02:16 PM
Hi, I have just recently registered with websleuths, but have been reading here for some time. I have followed this case for at least a year. I recently bought the Searching For Anna book and thought it was very nicely done. I wish you all the best in your search and pray that one day you will be reunited with Anna.
Welcome Chicken Hawk! :)
J. J. in Phila
11-16-2008, 07:40 PM
Hi, I'm J. J. in Phila.
Those of you following the Ray Gricar disappearance know that this is my primary interest. :)
I have read the site for a while, but I could not get on because of my e-mail address. I'm now using my alumni association e-mail address.
I am originally from Western and Central PA (born outside of Pittsburgh, lived for about 25 years in the Johnstown area). I now live in Philadelphia, PA, and have for over 15 years. I attended Penn State in the 1980's (which was in the same county where Mr. Gricar was District Attorney).
Dr. Doogie
12-08-2008, 07:35 PM
I have created a video that explains my sleuthing techniques:
http://sendables.jibjab.com/view/W9WKubHFrxbHlKWAy5XB (http://sendables.jibjab.com/view/W9WKubHFrxbHlKWAy5XB)
Cubby
12-09-2008, 06:34 PM
I have created a video that explains my sleuthing techniques:
http://sendables.jibjab.com/view/W9WKubHFrxbHlKWAy5XB (http://sendables.jibjab.com/view/W9WKubHFrxbHlKWAy5XB)
Nice video, but glad I did not open the link around my 6 yr old.
;)
Miss seeing you reply to the many questions and comments here at Annas forum Dr.Doogie.
Annasmom
12-09-2008, 06:41 PM
I have created a video that explains my sleuthing techniques:
http://sendables.jibjab.com/view/W9WKubHFrxbHlKWAy5XB (http://sendables.jibjab.com/view/W9WKubHFrxbHlKWAy5XB)
Doogie was into Conan the Barbarian in the old days!
BeavisMom62
03-22-2009, 06:10 PM
Doogie was into Conan the Barbarian in the old days!
No shock there! Hi all. I don't think I have ever posted here before, but I lurk frequently. This is just such a sad but interesting (no offense, annasmom) case. I just love how this particular thread is run. You can feel the love and cooperation between all posters. Coming in here is just so refreshing, like a tall glass of ice water on a hot day. Seriously. You are all the most wonderful, understanding, cooperative, friendly people I have ever come in contact with. And Doogie! Trying not to swell his head here, but I've mentioned to him personally in the past how much I respect him and always enjoy reading his posts. And annasmom, I can feel your heart of gold through the screen, I swear I can.
To introduce me, I'm married, have a grown son, work for a neurologist for 20 years as his assistant and transcriptionist. I enjoy all animals, but love dogs. All four of mine have been rescued as has my cat. Also have a ferret. I really enjoy gardening and lately, now that we have nice weather I can usually be found in the yard on the weekends. I should be out there now, but I have a bad back and was out in the yard doing "extreme" gardening yesterday, so today I'm resting up. If I'm not in the yard, I'm on WS usually. Haven't checked in here at "Anna's place" in a while, so I thought I would stop in today. Great sleuthing all of you. Good luck to you all, Annasmom, Joe, Annasbro, Doogie and the rest of you. :blowkiss:
Dr. Doogie
03-23-2009, 03:42 PM
Thanks for your kind words, BM62. This forum functions as well as it does because of the quality of its participants. I found an appropriate quote from Margaret Mead: "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
Seahorseladydi
04-15-2009, 10:05 AM
Hello,
First off, My name is Diana but everyone calls me Di.... so please do the same. I am 39, and have 4 boys.... yes, ALL boys! lol.... I have been married for 18 years...
Now that I have read every word of the first thread (I am one that has to know every detail) I can take a rest.... lol! I see I have ALOT of reading to do.....
I first heard of Anna when I was doing research for Ashley and Miranda (missing/found murdered in Oregon) I think that was back in 2002 or 2003.... I remember writing her name down and saying I want to get back and read about her.... well, here I am years later finally taking the time to get to "know" Anna.... ALOT has happened with me over these years since Ashley and Miranda... They changed my life and will always have a place in my heart.....
So, if you see my name here.... just sitting in this forum.... I am most likely reading..... Anna's case is like a HUGE book..... with many twists and turns..... many ups and downs... I have a tendency to leave the page up on my puter so I don't forget where I am at reading..... kinda like a bookmark... lol.....
anyhow, I am here.... I want to help in any way I can.... Anna is a beautiful little girl that I am sure has grown into a gorgeous woman! (I lean to the side that she IS alive!)
Dr. Doogie
04-15-2009, 12:59 PM
Welcome, Di. Glad to have you here.
SherlockJr
04-15-2009, 01:37 PM
Welcome Di, we are looking forward to any help you can give us. It's great to see some "old timers" here in Anna's forum. Don't misunderstand, I am referring to your amount of time here at WS, not anyone's age. :)
OT: I remember here in our local news (across country) about the news reports pertaining to your son's accident. My condolences to you and your family.
Seahorseladydi
04-15-2009, 10:21 PM
Thank you very much... I am going to read for awhile...
Odyssey
04-28-2009, 01:11 AM
Hi everyone,
I guess I skipped over this introduction thread and just kinda jumped in!! I live in the Bay Area, and started out helping adoptees/people with missing family members, etc. I had quite a bit of success, and several of them I am still in contact with after 5-10 years. I honestly can't remember exactly what led me to missing persons forums, but I have been reading them and researching missing persons off & on for about 2 years.
My skills are definitely limited to researching. I have a great track record of coming up with leads but I am not comfortable to call random people to ask for information. (I am amazed at Doogie's skills of getting people to talk to him! I could never have that effect!)
I am working on the Melinda Creech case, the Katharine Dyer (Boulder Jane Doe) one and am excited to add Anna to my list!
I look forward to getting to know you guys, this is really a great forum!!
Cubby
03-24-2010, 09:43 AM
We have some newer members here at Annas forum. Drop in, say hi, introduce yourselves... share as much or as little as you are comfortable doing.
Thank you for your continued interest and support in our search for Anna!
Cubby
Dr. Doogie
05-18-2010, 12:35 AM
Just a quick update on my amatuer crime-fighting efforts. Last week was a good one. A registered sex offendor who had been on the run for sixteen years was located with information that I supplied LE. And a 1980's homicide case has been reopened after I supplied LE with an informant's info naming one of the perps and then I sluethed out the other perp's name. Hopefully, these two will be arrested soon. (I cannot supply details for now due to the fact that it is an open investigation.)
OzzieMum
05-18-2010, 04:30 AM
Just a quick update on my amatuer crime-fighting efforts. Last week was a good one. A registered sex offendor who had been on the run for sixteen years was located with information that I supplied LE. And a 1980's homicide case has been reopened after I supplied LE with an informant's info naming one of the perps and then I sluethed out the other perp's name. Hopefully, these two will be arrested soon. (I cannot supply details for now due to the fact that it is an open investigation.)
Good job Dr Doogie. Another scum bag off the streets, that's what I like to hear.
CONGRATULATIONS :woohoo: :dance:
Reels
05-30-2010, 05:00 AM
Hello! I can't remember when I learned of Anna, but I found her here during a search for Johnny Gosch and after I figured out how to get back without the search (lol), I have been spending most of my time on the forum reading about Anna.
In my regular life I run a chinchilla rescue and sanctuary with my husband. We take in abused chinchillas and those with health and/or behavior issues. We also have a wonderful little boy.
I'm not sure what else to say. :)
eta: I saw that Annasmom was denied the full file for Anna. I was wondering, did your family file for Crime Victims? You would probably not qualify for financial assistance or therapy anymore, but, you would get access to all files pertaining to your case. You would just have to contact CV with your case number and a request for the files. They might want postage and copying fees, but I thought the first set of copies was free. I can't remember how you get it, but I know it starts with the sheriff/police report. I thought you filed the report, then called up CV with the report number and requested a case. They then get copies of all the info the sheriff/police have (as well as anyone else, like if it required medical care they'd get medical files). With everything in one place, it is a lot easier than trying to contact separate agencies and people.
Annasmom
05-30-2010, 12:12 PM
Hello! I can't remember when I learned of Anna, but I found her here during a search for Johnny Gosch and after I figured out how to get back without the search (lol), I have been spending most of my time on the forum reading about Anna.
In my regular life I run a chinchilla rescue and sanctuary with my husband. We take in abused chinchillas and those with health and/or behavior issues. We also have a wonderful little boy.
I'm not sure what else to say. :)
eta: I saw that Annasmom was denied the full file for Anna. I was wondering, did your family file for Crime Victims? You would probably not qualify for financial assistance or therapy anymore, but, you would get access to all files pertaining to your case. You would just have to contact CV with your case number and a request for the files. They might want postage and copying fees, but I thought the first set of copies was free. I can't remember how you get it, but I know it starts with the sheriff/police report. I thought you filed the report, then called up CV with the report number and requested a case. They then get copies of all the info the sheriff/police have (as well as anyone else, like if it required medical care they'd get medical files). With everything in one place, it is a lot easier than trying to contact separate agencies and people.
I had not heard of Crime Victims before. The obvious problem is that we have no concrete proof that a crime was committed and the statute of limitations on kidnapping has passed (though we are not able to demonstrate--despite all our feelings--that this was a kidnapping.) We have that part of the police report which they saw fit to release, and that was VERY hard to come by. I don't understand how Crime Victims could get more than this.
Reels
05-30-2010, 01:26 PM
Oh, ok. Well with Crime Victims, you don't have to have any kind of conviction or even concrete proof that a crime happened, and in some cases you don't have to be within the statute of limitations. I did that, and my state covered things for me for 15-20 years. I'll see if I can find out more. Crime Victims gets all the files, like they get all the confidential medical and psychiatric files, the police files, everything. They use it to substantiate a case and to keep the Crime Victims case open. I got the entire file (nothing redacted) from them, and that's how I found out that CPS did two investigations of my parents. I couldn't have gotten that information from CPS if I asked them directly for it because the investigation involved minors who were unrelated to me.
I'll have to see what I can find. I thought that it was for trauma, like survivors of abuse, accidents, family members of people who've been murdered or disappeared, recovered victims of kidnapping, or victims of natural disasters. It might vary from state to state, but I know it goes through the department of Labor and Industries in at least 3 states. Would you like me to see about it? I can't guarantee you'd get it, but I could look into it.
eta: Ok, I went to see California's rules. I know they recently updated the program due to financial constraints, and it looks like for California it now has to be related to a violent crime specifically: http://www.boc.ca.gov/default.aspx I'm really sorry this wouldn't work. I was hoping so much that it would, because it's a good way to get access to information that you otherwise wouldn't have. I'm sorry.
TechWriter797
10-07-2010, 10:46 PM
I'm Mary Jo (aka TechWriter797), a technical writer living in Rochester, NY. I just finished reading "Searching for Anna." I am trying to read all of the information posted here on this case, but that will take quite a while longer! I have a membership to Ancestry.com (US only). I don't know how much help I'll be, but I'll continue reading and thinking about it.
Dr. Doogie
10-19-2010, 07:12 PM
Welcome, Mary Jo. Sorry for the late greetings.
tambo
07-11-2011, 03:49 AM
Hi everyone, my name is tammy. I came here after reading about another case and i stumbled upon this...I grew up in San Mateo, went to Hillsdale high school and know the area very well...I actually had a very bad experience very near Anna's house when i was 17, that was in 1976, I have only been back to that area once since then and I do remember some things about anna's case...I remember my mother talking about it and i also remember being at a house nearby where the kids in the house were talking about it..I know that the area was very popular with kids my age, they used to talk about going there all the time for party's and stuff...
I would very much like to help annasmom in any way i can to search for anna. I don't live in san mateo anymore, but i go there 4 or 5 times a year and have lots of friends that live there. I need to do some more reading to get caught up here but i hope i can be of some help...
I am going to contact a friend of mine who was with me at that house and see if she remembers what they were saying..I just remember them talking about a little girl that was missing from nearby..i will see what i can find out.
Firefly75
07-19-2011, 05:52 PM
Hello everyone,
I'm Firefly75 and I have no manners, hence this very late introduction. I should, of course, have introduced myself before my first Anna-post.
I'm a couple of years younger than Anna, I'm not American, and I'm currently studying in the UK. When I was little, a girl only a year older than me was abducted from the building I passed nearly every day on the way to the library. She went to the same school as me, she was a year ahead of me. She has never been found, and her abduction marked me forever. Not in terms of all the horror stories that children made up about her afterwards, but in terms of realizing that children were not as safe as I thought, that abductions did not happen only in my mother's imagination (she had once before had to reason with me why she refused to let me wait for her in front of the supermarket, saying that sometimes a child could be snatched while waiting and she did not want to risk losing me), and, later, that it is my duty and responsibility to not close my eyes to such things and pretend they don't happen (or that they happen to other people, not me) but to be informed, keep my eyes open, try to help and support where I can. There was one family abduction (international) at my primary school, and two that I knew of at a school where I worked later in life. What got me most is that most people around me at that time seemed to forget missing people very quickly, or never even noticed when someone went missing.
I first read about Anna on doenetwork. It just broke my heart, and I really hoped she had been found and they just forgot to update the site. Sadly she had not, but I have great hopes that Anna is out there somewhere and will be reunited with her family one day. It took me a long time before I got Annasmom's book, and even longer before I gathered the courage to post here at WS. I'm far away geographically, so I'm probably useless in terms of practical research, but I'll try and contribute some thoughts where possible.
SideKick
07-20-2011, 12:21 PM
Hi Tammy!
Welcome to Anna's forum. It's nice to meet someone near Half Moon Bay or at least San Mateo County!! Sorry to hear your bad experience near Anna's old house.
If you hear anything do let us know, we need new ideas to come up with in the search for Anna. She sure touches alot of hearts, that is for sure ;-).
SK
Hi everyone, my name is tammy. I came here after reading about another case and i stumbled upon this...I grew up in San Mateo, went to Hillsdale high school and know the area very well...I actually had a very bad experience very near Anna's house when i was 17, that was in 1976, I have only been back to that area once since then and I do remember some things about anna's case...I remember my mother talking about it and i also remember being at a house nearby where the kids in the house were talking about it..I know that the area was very popular with kids my age, they used to talk about going there all the time for party's and stuff...
I would very much like to help annasmom in any way i can to search for anna. I don't live in san mateo anymore, but i go there 4 or 5 times a year and have lots of friends that live there. I need to do some more reading to get caught up here but i hope i can be of some help...
I am going to contact a friend of mine who was with me at that house and see if she remembers what they were saying..I just remember them talking about a little girl that was missing from nearby..i will see what i can find out.
SideKick
07-20-2011, 12:25 PM
Hi Firefly and welcome to Anna's forum!!
Alot of us are from all over the world, nice of you to join in from the UK! Anna could be anywhere actually. We haven't a clue at all, tho we hope she is adopted and isn't aware of it. It only takes one person to recognize her or something may click for Anna and she'll delve into it more and find her family. Again, great to see you here!
SK
Hello everyone,
I'm Firefly75 and I have no manners, hence this very late introduction. I should, of course, have introduced myself before my first Anna-post.
I'm a couple of years younger than Anna, I'm not American, and I'm currently studying in the UK. When I was little, a girl only a year older than me was abducted from the building I passed nearly every day on the way to the library. She went to the same school as me, she was a year ahead of me. She has never been found, and her abduction marked me forever. Not in terms of all the horror stories that children made up about her afterwards, but in terms of realizing that children were not as safe as I thought, that abductions did not happen only in my mother's imagination (she had once before had to reason with me why she refused to let me wait for her in front of the supermarket, saying that sometimes a child could be snatched while waiting and she did not want to risk losing me), and, later, that it is my duty and responsibility to not close my eyes to such things and pretend they don't happen (or that they happen to other people, not me) but to be informed, keep my eyes open, try to help and support where I can. There was one family abduction (international) at my primary school, and two that I knew of at a school where I worked later in life. What got me most is that most people around me at that time seemed to forget missing people very quickly, or never even noticed when someone went missing.
I first read about Anna on doenetwork. It just broke my heart, and I really hoped she had been found and they just forgot to update the site. Sadly she had not, but I have great hopes that Anna is out there somewhere and will be reunited with her family one day. It took me a long time before I got Annasmom's book, and even longer before I gathered the courage to post here at WS. I'm far away geographically, so I'm probably useless in terms of practical research, but I'll try and contribute some thoughts where possible.
SideKick
07-20-2011, 12:28 PM
Hey TechWriter, nice to see you here. Glad to hear to read 'Searching for Anna'. Great book isn't it? Sorry it took so long to welcome you, life is busy but always thinking of Anna! ;-)
SK
I'm Mary Jo (aka TechWriter797), a technical writer living in Rochester, NY. I just finished reading "Searching for Anna." I am trying to read all of the information posted here on this case, but that will take quite a while longer! I have a membership to Ancestry.com (US only). I don't know how much help I'll be, but I'll continue reading and thinking about it.
BobbieA
10-12-2012, 02:16 AM
Hello,
My name is Bobbie. I have been reading Anna's forum/thread for quite awhile. I am very glad to be here. Please let me know if there is anything I can do. I am a freelance writer and good with research.
Praying for peace for Anna's friends, family and searchers . . .
Cubby
10-12-2012, 07:44 AM
Welcome to WS, BobbieA and thank you for your interest in Anna's case!
:welcome:
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