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mysteriew
08-16-2005, 08:35 AM
More than 35 years after a young woman was burned alive, investigators say they have gotten the break they needed in the case. They say they have a suspect, but it is just one part of the decades-old mystery because they still do not know the identity of the victim.

On April 27, 1968, a woman in a green and white polka dot dress was seen walking down Ten Ten Road in Southern Wake County.

The women believed a farmer was burning something until the next day when the woman's body was discovered in that spot.

The whereabouts of her remains are unknown, but investigators say they have hair and blood samples from the original investigation. They also have a description.

"I know her hair was dark brown with a small amount of gray," Stewart said. "She had a surgical scar below the left side of her naval. She wore a size 7-1/2 shoe. Her blood type was A-positive."

There are also pictures of a gas can, matches, hair spray and other personal items found at the scene.
http://www.wral.com/news/4855145/detail.html#

lisag
08-16-2005, 09:21 AM
How do they not know where her remains are ? They did find her body right? Are they saying it is unknown where she was buried after she was found ?

mysteriew
08-16-2005, 10:19 AM
How do they not know where her remains are ? They did find her body right? Are they saying it is unknown where she was buried after she was found ?

I think what they are trying not to say is that they lost her. She may have been cremated, she may have been buried in an unmarked grave and they lost the paperwork documenting the info about the location. It is terrible, but this is not the first time.

KatherineQ
08-16-2005, 11:31 AM
Post removed because I read the actual link to the article and my questions were cleared up -

Mysteriew - you edited the article so much it doesn't make sense until you actually go to the link and read it.

mysteriew
08-16-2005, 01:05 PM
Post removed because I read the actual link to the article and my questions were cleared up -

Mysteriew - you edited the article so much it doesn't make sense until you actually go to the link and read it.

Copyright/TOS restrictions. I mainly wanted to get the info in about her description.

anthrobones
06-05-2006, 09:20 PM
[/URL][url]http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/474ufnc.html (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/474ufnc.html)

Unidentified White Female



The victim was discovered on April 28, 1968 in McCullers community, southern Wake County, North Carolina
Estimated Date of Death: April 27, 1968




Vital Statistics


Estimated age: 35-45 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 5'2-5'4; 130 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: There is a very slight possibility of Native American mixture. Black hair with some dark brown and occasional gray. It would be casually viewed to be black; small ears. She had a surgical scar below the left side of her naval. She wore a pair of bifocals, gold and brown smoke colored.
Dentals: Available; missing teeth #1, 16, 19, and 32; fillings in teeth #13, 14, 15, 17, 18, 29, 31. Crown fractured to gingival on tooth #30.
Clothing: Green & white polka dot dress or blouse w/zipper; size 7 1/2 brown italian loafer style shoe ~ manufacturer not determined, appeared to be cheaper brand in the range of $4-$10; women's all-weather coat, greenish-blue in color, with lining of gray fibers; remnants of what appeared to undergarments and pantyhose.
Other Items Found: A more expensive transistor battery, probably for a radio; 2 metallic buttons; the top of a ballpoint pen with the inscription, "Unipeco Mt. Vernon N.Y. U.S.A"; Cosmetics/Hygiene items: "Skin Dew" crème for "Dry Skin", manufactured by Helena Rubenstein, NY, NY; some type of overnight medicated cream, manufactured by Helena Rubenstein, NY, NY - $1.25; "Silk Fashion" liquid makeup, manufactured by Helena Rubenstein, NY, NY - $1.75 (introduced in 1967); glass top with "_ilk of _ntimate"; manufactured by Revlon; some metal tubes or containers which could have been used for lipstick/eyeliner; hair clips and possible greenish-blue hair net; wire frame for standing make-up mirror and some glass remnants of mirror; a "Thin Gillette" blade in wrapper; a pair of tweezers with "Permo TWEEZ" imprinted thereon.
Fingerprints: Available
DNA: Blood card and hair samples available.
Blood Type: A positive


Case History
On April 27, 1968, a woman in a green and white polka dot dress was seen walking down Ten Ten Road in McCullars community, near Fuquay-Varina, in southern Wake County, North Carolina.
A witness says her mother and sister saw her as they drove toward a church up the road. When they came back 15 minutes later, she was gone. When they came back, they didn't see the woman. They saw a fire burning in the field.
The women believed a farmer was burning something until the next day when the woman's body was discovered in that spot.
A suspect in the case died in 1992. The suspect planted tobacco in Canada. Because this woman was a stranger to neighbors, investigators think it is possible that the woman came down from Canada to meet with the suspect. Investigators interviewed the suspect in 1968. He admitted that he and a friend drove up the road to get a look at the woman, but told detectives she had vanished when they got there.
The whereabouts of the victim's remains are unknown, but investigators have hair and blood samples from the original investigation.

outofthedark
06-05-2006, 09:30 PM
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/474ufnc.html



Unidentified White Female



The victim was discovered on April 28, 1968 in McCullers community, southern Wake County, North Carolina
Estimated Date of Death: April 27, 1968



Vital Statistics


Estimated age: 35-45 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 5'2-5'4; 130 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: There is a very slight possibility of Native American mixture. Black hair with some dark brown and occasional gray. It would be casually viewed to be black; small ears. She had a surgical scar below the left side of her naval. She wore a pair of bifocals, gold and brown smoke colored.
Dentals: Available; missing teeth #1, 16, 19, and 32; fillings in teeth #13, 14, 15, 17, 18, 29, 31. Crown fractured to gingival on tooth #30.
Clothing: Green & white polka dot dress or blouse w/zipper; size 7 1/2 brown italian loafer style shoe ~ manufacturer not determined, appeared to be cheaper brand in the range of $4-$10; women's all-weather coat, greenish-blue in color, with lining of gray fibers; remnants of what appeared to undergarments and pantyhose.
Other Items Found: A more expensive transistor battery, probably for a radio; 2 metallic buttons; the top of a ballpoint pen with the inscription, "Unipeco Mt. Vernon N.Y. U.S.A"; Cosmetics/Hygiene items: "Skin Dew" crème for "Dry Skin", manufactured by Helena Rubenstein, NY, NY; some type of overnight medicated cream, manufactured by Helena Rubenstein, NY, NY - $1.25; "Silk Fashion" liquid makeup, manufactured by Helena Rubenstein, NY, NY - $1.75 (introduced in 1967); glass top with "_ilk of _ntimate"; manufactured by Revlon; some metal tubes or containers which could have been used for lipstick/eyeliner; hair clips and possible greenish-blue hair net; wire frame for standing make-up mirror and some glass remnants of mirror; a "Thin Gillette" blade in wrapper; a pair of tweezers with "Permo TWEEZ" imprinted thereon.
Fingerprints: Available
DNA: Blood card and hair samples available.
Blood Type: A positive

Case History
On April 27, 1968, a woman in a green and white polka dot dress was seen walking down Ten Ten Road in McCullars community, near Fuquay-Varina, in southern Wake County, North Carolina.
A witness says her mother and sister saw her as they drove toward a church up the road. When they came back 15 minutes later, she was gone. When they came back, they didn't see the woman. They saw a fire burning in the field.
The women believed a farmer was burning something until the next day when the woman's body was discovered in that spot.
A suspect in the case died in 1992. The suspect planted tobacco in Canada. Because this woman was a stranger to neighbors, investigators think it is possible that the woman came down from Canada to meet with the suspect. Investigators interviewed the suspect in 1968. He admitted that he and a friend drove up the road to get a look at the woman, but told detectives she had vanished when they got there.
The whereabouts of the victim's remains are unknown, but investigators have hair and blood samples from the original investigation.


This one's interesting-just like all the other UID cases from the 50's and 60's and older

bykerladi
06-06-2006, 08:21 PM
Ok, WHY is the location of her remains unknown?!?!?!

outofthedark
06-06-2006, 09:02 PM
Ok, WHY is the location of her remains unknown?!?!?!
Her remains could have gotten lost/misplaced OR they were moved without the knowledge of the investigating department/office

Hollow
06-06-2006, 09:07 PM
Seems like she should have some sort of nickname, like polka dot Jane Doe or something. Ancestry.com has really updated their North Carolina archive collection, I'll look later and see if I can find anything about her, or anyone missing that matches her description.

Hollow
06-07-2006, 01:09 PM
I didn't find anything about this woman in archives last night, but I did find this article, it says she was burned alive. Doesn't it seem as though she was packed to leave, and maybe if they could uncover her identity they could get the full story, why she was leaving, where she was going...also some of those cosmetic products found with her seem sort of expensive for that time period, I wonder also if she had mail-ordered them.

http://www.wral.com/news/4855145/detail.html

tennessee
06-07-2006, 05:24 PM
The Revlon item that they have missing the first letters is Silk of Intimate. I think it was a perfumed lotion.

Bluecat
06-07-2006, 06:06 PM
The makeup definitely would have been good for the time. I wonder if she was a nightclub singer or dancer? It would explain why her makeup was of better quality than the rest of her kit. I wonder what happened to her suitcase? It seems that, with that much makeup, there should have been a suitcase as well, unless she carried a really large handbag that burned up more than the contents.

Hollow
06-26-2006, 12:40 PM
bumping this. I think this case is very interesting. I don't want it to get lost in the shuffle.

LButler
06-26-2006, 03:29 PM
Hey, my first thought on this lady was maybe she was a door-to-door salesperson for these items? Not sure how to find out if the company (Helena Rubenstein) sold that way?

just a thought - might be out in left field.......

LButler
06-26-2006, 03:32 PM
or, doing makeovers?

She definitely is prepared to do her make-up or someone else's.

Richard
06-26-2006, 06:13 PM
A very sad and puzzling murder. The amount of cosmetics listed sounds more like her personal make-up kit, rather than a salesperson's case of samples. Also, if she had been a sales representative for Helena Rubenstein, she probably would not have had any items from a competitor (Revlon).

This girl came from somewhere outside Wake County and was there for a purpose. If it was a case of only a dead body being found, then it would be most likely that she was killed elsewhere and simply dumped in the field by someone passing through. But witnesses claimed to have seen her alive and alone prior to her death.

Why would the killer attempt to burn her body? It obviously attracted the attention of others, and did not destroy the body.

Hollow
06-26-2006, 06:43 PM
She had a pen and cosmetics from New York, my guess is she probably had ties there. What does the inscription on that pen mean ??

Does anyone know if an accelerant was used? Gasoline? Where was the nearest house ? Who lived there?

LButler
06-27-2006, 04:05 PM
possible match?


http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/mclaughlin_mary.html

the last pic of mary looks more like the doe than the other 2.

Hollow
06-27-2006, 07:47 PM
Normally, I would say because of the time frame, it's probably not her, but geez does this woman look just like the Jane Doe. Even the glasses are shaped the same. I put her on my desk top, I'm going to try to find an archive with her height and weight on it, hopefully. And it said she said she was going away. Good match LButler !!!

Hollow
06-27-2006, 08:45 PM
I cannot find anything about Mary McLaughlin, maybe they didn't know her height since it wasn't reported until 2002. I wonder if she had a driver's liscense.

lilsister
06-27-2006, 10:28 PM
That is very odd that the Charley Project did not list her weight and height as that is normally the case.

LButler
06-28-2006, 09:25 AM
Glad you guys and gals could see it too - I am really bad at the people matching game. I like the thinking part.

Another thought I had, her son Donald did not report Mary missing until 2002. She wasn't even on the radar when the Doe was found. Also might explain why there are no details of Mary, they are just going from a kid's memories of his mother with no way of determining height, weight....

LButler
06-28-2006, 09:37 AM
PS You folks may not appreciate my humor, and, if so, accept my apologies now.

But, I think the second photo of Jane Doe looks just like Michael Jackson laid out on a slab!! :eek:

lilsister
06-28-2006, 03:55 PM
I totally see what you are saying about the MJ resemblance! I left a Message for the Michigan State Police sargent who is handling Mary McLaughlin's case to find out if he has height and weight info. He left for the day so hopefully he'll call me tomorrow.

lilsister
07-06-2006, 01:44 AM
He must of been on vacation and he called me back YOO HOO. I will call him early this morning and let everyone know!

Hollow
07-06-2006, 02:04 AM
Isn't it funny how you hope it's a match and then you hope it's not a match at the same time ?? Good job Lilsister, I'm anxious to hear what he says. :)

lilsister
07-06-2006, 03:02 AM
Hollow, you are such an inspiration to me! You have amassed so much information re so many cases...you are truly valued and thank you and all the great WS out there!--

lilsister
07-07-2006, 07:39 PM
I have been playing phone tag for two days w/ this detective but a least he is willing to help, hopefully.

anthrobones
07-16-2006, 06:51 PM
bump u[p post

Richard
07-07-2007, 10:07 AM
Bumping this case up. It has been a year since anyone has posted to this thread.

anthrobones
07-07-2007, 01:32 PM
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/474ufnc.html

aussiegran
07-07-2007, 08:15 PM
I think this a very close match did they get back to you lilsister

lilsister
12-01-2007, 10:04 PM
i am going to touch base with everyone again in the next two days on this case...sorry that i have been out of the loop...personal stuff going on for a while but now i am back...it is good to be back

FLMom
12-01-2007, 11:08 PM
Looking forward to an update. This one gives me the chills. . . that she was seen alive so close to her death. That, and she died eleven days after I was born. . I ended up living in SC for about eleven years and remember hearing about her somewhere years ago. Thanks for bumping folks!

lilsister
12-28-2007, 01:55 PM
sorry for the lag...called again to the LE handling this case...everyone must be on vacation but i will definately stay on it...thanks, lilsister

anthrobones
06-04-2008, 03:09 PM
Bumping up. Lilsister, it has been awhile. Any news?

anthrobones
08-23-2009, 08:57 PM
Bumping up

Cubby
01-10-2011, 03:48 PM
bump to merge

Ambercat
04-26-2012, 11:19 PM
I noticed Anna Leatherwood on NamUs and thought of this UID. Maybe it is just the glasses, but some of her information matches (some doesn't exactly).
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/photos/full/24538
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/13801/

rcoope23
04-27-2012, 01:43 AM
I like the resemblance and the glasses sure look the same. she even has the scar. The question would be where was she for the two years but it cant hurt suggesting her.

Ambercat
08-17-2012, 08:05 PM
I went ahead and asked several months ago, but still haven't heard if Mrs. Leatherwood was this UID or that she had been ruled out.

Skigirl
11-25-2012, 02:47 PM
I like the resemblance and the glasses sure look the same. she even has the scar. The question would be where was she for the two years but it cant hurt suggesting her.

I was just about to suggest Leatherwood. She's the right age -- hair color (black with gray mixed in), the glasses, all match. Bifocals would suggest someone in the upper end of the age range listed (35-45). Did anyone ever hear back about this potential match?

Ambercat
11-25-2012, 07:13 PM
I was just about to suggest Leatherwood. She's the right age -- hair color (black with gray mixed in), the glasses, all match. Bifocals would suggest someone in the upper end of the age range listed (35-45). Did anyone ever hear back about this potential match?

I e-mailed LE both from where Mrs. Leatherwood went missing and where the UID was found back last April and both agencies were looking into it, but I never heard back if she was a match or not.

carbuff
11-25-2012, 09:56 PM
Did anybody else notice that in that photo, she's holding a man's hand?

Ambercat
11-25-2012, 11:04 PM
Did anybody else notice that in that photo, she's holding a man's hand?

I noticed that, too. I thought that it was probably her husband. According to the Charley Project, she had, in the past, left her husband several times and then they would later reconcile.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/leatherwood_anna.html

I didn't realize this at the time that I e-mailed LE about a possible match between Anna Leatherwood and the UID, but [according to her Charley Project page] her husband was abusive and authorities believe that he murdered her. I am still going to follow up to see if there are any updates, because it is still possible that she could have left him and been murdered by someone else in North Carolina.

carbuff
11-25-2012, 11:43 PM
I noticed that, too. I thought that it was probably her husband. According to the Charley Project, she had, in the past, left her husband several times and then they would later reconcile.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/leatherwood_anna.html

I didn't realize this at the time that I e-mailed LE about a possible match between Anna Leatherwood and the UID, but [according to her Charley Project page] her husband was abusive and authorities believe that he murdered her. I am still going to follow up to see if there are any updates, because it is still possible that she could have left him and been murdered by someone else in North Carolina.

Another fairly plausible scenario: She left him, found another man and moved to Canada with him. Man got job in NC, she followed, abusive ex-husband caught up with her and killed her.

Skigirl
11-26-2012, 10:27 AM
It isn't uncommon for women in abusive relationships (especially those who return to their abuser) to get in subsequent abusive relationships. If they are the same person, perhaps that explains two violent relationships? Sieversville, TN and Wake, NC are around 6 hours apart by car.

Ambercat
12-13-2012, 10:01 AM
I e-mailed the investigators in charge of both cases and asked if there were any updates about Anna Leatherwood and the unidentified woman from Wake County. It sounds like they are still working on it. Amy Dobbs from the Knox County Sheriff's office response was --

I did look into the potential match and have not been able to rule her out. I have been working with the LE agency in NC that has the unidentified female to see if DNA could be sent off for a profile to be developed. Unfortunately, we have been at a stand still with trying to find a sample to be sent to the lab. Since the case has age on it, many of the items from the unidentified have not been located. Hopefully, sometime soon the will find the items needed to have a DNA profile developed and we can have a comparison requested.

Hopefully, they will be able to find the DNA.

carbuff
12-13-2012, 11:00 AM
*fingers crossed*

FigTree
11-23-2013, 09:09 AM
From: The Doe Network: Case File 474UFNC (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/474ufnc.html)
Websleuths Link: UID (Possible) Immigrants/Migrants/Other


Unidentified White Female
The victim was discovered: April 28, 1968
Location: in McCullers community, southern Wake County, North Carolina
Estimated Date of Death: April 27, 1968

Vital Statistics
Estimated age: 35-45 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 5'2-5'4; 130 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: There is a very slight possibility of Native American mixture.
Small ears.
Hair Colour: Black hair with some dark brown and occasional gray. It would be casually viewed to be black.
She had a surgical scar below the left side of her naval.

Accessories: She wore a pair of bifocals, gold and brown smoke colored.
Clothing: Green & white polka dot dress or blouse w/zipper
- Women's all-weather coat, greenish-blue in color, with lining of gray fibers - remnants of what appeared to undergarments and pantyhose.
Shoes: size 7 1/2 brown italian loafer style shoe ~ manufacturer not determined, appeared to be cheaper brand in the range of $4-$10;

Other Items Found:
- A more expensive transistor battery, probably for a radio
- 2 metallic buttons
- the top of a ballpoint pen with the inscription, "Unipeco Mt. Vernon N.Y. U.S.A";
- "Skin Dew" crème for "Dry Skin", manufactured by Helena Rubenstein, NY, NY;
- some type of overnight medicated cream, manufactured by Helena Rubenstein, NY, NY - $1.25;
- "Silk Fashion" liquid makeup, manufactured by Helena Rubenstein, NY, NY - $1.75 (introduced in 1967);
- glass top with "_ilk of _ntimate"; manufactured by Revlon;
- some metal tubes or containers which could have been used for lipstick/eyeliner;
- hair clips and possible greenish-blue hair net;
- wire frame for standing make-up mirror and some glass remnants of mirror; - a "Thin Gillette" blade in wrapper;
- a pair of tweezers with "Permo TWEEZ" imprinted thereon.

Dentals: Available
Fingerprints: Available
DNA: Blood card and hair samples available.
Blood Type: A positive

Case History
On April 27, 1968, a woman in a green and white polka dot dress was seen walking down Ten Ten Road in McCullars community, near Fuquay-Varina, in southern Wake County, North Carolina.
A witness says her mother and sister saw her as they drove toward a church up the road. When they came back 15 minutes later, she was gone. When they came back, they didn't see the woman. They saw a fire burning in the field.
The women believed a farmer was burning something until the next day when the woman's body was discovered in that spot.

Additional:
A suspect in the case died in 1992. The suspect planted tobacco in Canada. Because this woman was a stranger to neighbors, investigators think it is possible that the woman came down from Canada to meet with the suspect. Investigators interviewed the suspect in 1968. He admitted that he and a friend drove up the road to get a look at the woman, but told detectives she had vanished when they got there.
The whereabouts of the victim's remains are unknown, but investigators have hair and blood samples from the original investigation.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/474UFNC.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/474UFNC1.jpg
Left: Reconstruction as it appeared in May 1968 paper
Right: Photo taken at coroner's office after plastic surgeons reconstruction, May 1968.


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FigTree
11-23-2013, 09:51 AM
I saw this missing Person Profile and wondered if this could be a possible match.
Thoughts? Submission?

Unidentified Details in Black
Missing Person details in Blue


NamUs MP # 12580 (https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/12580/27)

First name: Johanna
Middle name; Atalia Gersina
Last name; de Haas
Nickname/Alias: Jopie


UID discovered: April 28, 1968 -
MP Last seen: February 08, 1960

UID Located: in McCullers community, southern Wake County, North Carolina
A suspect in the case died in 1992. The suspect planted tobacco in Canada. Because this woman was a stranger to neighbors, investigators think it is possible that the woman came down from Canada to meet with the suspect. Investigators interviewed the suspect in 1968. He admitted that he and a friend drove up the road to get a look at the woman, but told detectives she had vanished when they got there.
The whereabouts of the victim's remains are unknown, but investigators have hair and blood samples from the original investigation.
MP travels: (from NAMUS)
In the 1950s Jopie de Haas was allegedly working in the red-light district in Amsterdam in The Netherlands.
In 1957 Ms. de Haas gave birth to a daughter named Roos. Six weeks later she gave up the child.
In 1960, Ms. de Haas went to Hemer in Germany.
Afterward she likely traveled to the United States or possibly Calgary, Canada.
Ms. De Haas is not a Delaware, USA case, per se. Case entry was permitted by NamUs, whereas Ms. De Haas could have been in the US and could perhaps be an active unidentified remains case here.


Vital Statistics
UID Estimated age in 1968: 35-45 years old
MP Estimated age in 1968 - 31-34 years old

UID Approximate Height and Weight: 5'2-5'4; 130 lbs.
MP Approximate Height: Height: 64.0 inches (5 foot 3 inches)

UID Hair Colour: Black hair with some dark brown and occasional gray. It would be casually viewed to be black.
MP Hair colour: Black

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The connection for me here beyond the statistics with both the UID and Johanna de Haas is the circmstances regarding the POI and the reference to Canada - and possibly not being from the USA.

Comparison:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1890&pictureid=16603

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Ambercat
11-26-2013, 05:41 AM
I wonder if this thread could be merged with the other one for this decedent?
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40064

FigTree
11-26-2013, 06:16 AM
I wonder if this thread could be merged with the other one for this decedent?
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40064

Thanks Ambercat! I made a check and didn't find her before.
No worries - I'll ask a mod to merge the threads.
Cheers!
:tyou:

ETA - have contacted marlywings :)