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Levi
06-27-2006, 04:47 PM
I just heard Nancy Grace say that on her CNN Headline News show tonight @ 8:00 PM EST she is holding a judge that sided with the ACLU & Atlanta in contempt. She said that the judge said that a ban on sex offenders from living or going any place children frequent is "unconstitutional". Nancy said she is holding the judge in Contempt. The judge is Clarence Cooper the same judge from the "evolution" mess that went on. Nancy seemed really mad @ the judge. I will be watching @ 8:00 pm est on CNN Headline News.

bakerprune64
06-27-2006, 07:54 PM
I just heard Nancy Grace say that on her CNN Headline News show tonight @ 8:00 PM EST she is holding a judge that sided with the ACLU & Atlanta in contempt. She said that the judge said that a ban on sex offenders from living or going any place children frequent is "unconstitutional". Nancy said she is holding the judge in Contempt. The judge is Clarence Cooper the same judge from the "evolution" mess that went on. Nancy seemed really mad @ the judge. I will be watching @ 8:00 pm est on CNN Headline News.
And what about the constiutional rights of the victims of the sex offenders...where were their freaking rights while they were being stalked and abused?? I think I've said this before, and I'm gonna say it one more time...If you commit a crime you should loose all rights afforded to decent law abiding citizens and be treated like the pond scum you are. Why, how can anybody think their rights are being violated when safety of the children is at stake:furious:

SewingDeb
06-28-2006, 11:20 AM
The sheriff of Dekalb county says there won't be any immediate arrests under the new law.
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/dekalb/stories/0627deksexlaw.html

failed to register at all or gave a false address.

"Does that mean I'm out looking for those 90-plus individuals? Absolutely not. Because we're serving [temporary protective orders], we're doing involuntary transports [of mental patients], we're doing prison transports," Brown said.

Warrants for failing to register "just go on the GCIC [state crime computer] like the vast majority of wanted individuals," he said. Most arrests made on such warrants occur at traffic stops or when the offender otherwise comes to the attention of a law officer who checks the name against the crime computer, Brown said.

"In reality, that's how the process works," he said.


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No wonder we have such a problem!! What an attitude.

Bobbisangel
07-06-2006, 04:59 PM
The sheriff of Dekalb county says there won't be any immediate arrests under the new law.
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/dekalb/stories/0627deksexlaw.html

failed to register at all or gave a false address.

"Does that mean I'm out looking for those 90-plus individuals? Absolutely not. Because we're serving [temporary protective orders], we're doing involuntary transports [of mental patients], we're doing prison transports," Brown said.

Warrants for failing to register "just go on the GCIC [state crime computer] like the vast majority of wanted individuals," he said. Most arrests made on such warrants occur at traffic stops or when the offender otherwise comes to the attention of a law officer who checks the name against the crime computer, Brown said.

"In reality, that's how the process works," he said.


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No wonder we have such a problem!! What an attitude.



Makes a person wonder if he has any little kids or grandkids!

randy33
09-09-2006, 02:53 AM
All you are doing is repeating history:banghead: by hammering on predators. Don't believe me ? Look back in history, The words you are speaking today are the same words that was spooking in the past about a group of People. this group where called Child Molesters persecuted, ridacuted and put to shame and even imprisoned before we where even a country. People felt that this group amoral and now they feel that it's ok. I'm going to give you a hint this group that prefer the Ark that Ned Flanders built, with 2 male animals of each species so nothing "improper" would happen... Until he blurts out::laugh: "Hey you too, cut that out!" If you don't get it by now then you will never get it. Albert Einstein wrote, "The problems that exist in the world today can not be solved by the level of thinking that created them



Google

ACLU Lesbian and Gay Rights



ACLU, gay couples sue to uphold same-sex marriages in Oregon



ACLU Sues for Anti-Gay Group ...



ACLU in Bed with Child molesters !



ACLU defends child-molester group



ACLU Fights for Child Molester Rights

ACLU fights child molester 'banishment'

SewingDeb
09-09-2006, 04:11 PM
So, Randy, you approve of child molestation? You think it should be a right? The difference in gays and child molestors is that one group wants rights for sex between consenting ADULTS and one want rights for sex between adults and children.

Do you foresee a time when sex between adults and children is widely accepted and there is no longer prosecution? God, I hope that will never happen.

Details
09-09-2006, 04:17 PM
The ACLU is right - it's far to hard to restrict pedophiles from all places that have children - children are everywhere! No reason to release these guys from prison when there's no where it's safe to have them - let's just leave them in prison already!

The one big issue I'd worry about is how widely 'sex offenders' is defined in this law - as we've seen, sometimes a person who goes behind a bush to urinate, an 18 year old who sleeps with a 16 year old unknowningly are often called 'sex offenders'. These laws are only just, and will only work if they are going after the real people we are after - true pedophiles.

Bobbisangel
09-10-2006, 12:04 AM
All you are doing is repeating history:banghead: by hammering on predators. Don't believe me ? Look back in history, The words you are speaking today are the same words that was spooking in the past about a group of People. this group where called Child Molesters persecuted, ridacuted and put to shame and even imprisoned before we where even a country. People felt that this group amoral and now they feel that it's ok. I'm going to give you a hint this group that prefer the Ark that Ned Flanders built, with 2 male animals of each species so nothing "improper" would happen... Until he blurts out::laugh: "Hey you too, cut that out!" If you don't get it by now then you will never get it. Albert Einstein wrote, "The problems that exist in the world today can not be solved by the level of thinking that created the



So what are you really trying to say Randy? That you are gay or that you are a predator? Or maybe both????



This group was called "Child Molesters" and they were persecuted, ridiculed, imprisoned, shamed, and people felt that they were immoral. NOW PEOPLE FEEL THAT IT IS OK!!!!!! Where have you been Randy? The only people that feel that being a child molester is alright is the molester him/her self. Why do you think people are pressing for changes in the law like "Jessica's Law?" That law has to do with child molesters and predators who rape little kids.

You start with the topic of child molesters and seem to believe that they should be left alone and then you jump to two males being together sexually or in a relationship. The two topics are a million miles apart. Maybe you are trying to say that both predators and gays were presecuted in the past. I'm not sure.

I don't have a problem with two guys or two gals as long as they don't flaunt their preferences in front of me. I mean all over each other in front of me. I feel the same way about a guy and a gal. There is a time and a place for that and it isn't in the public's face. I have a grandson who is gay and I love him to death. I wish that his preference was otherwise but he is an adult and it really isn't any of my business. The whole family loves him and he knows it.
Him and his SO are welcome in my home and they do not flaunt anything in my face. It is called respect. If my grandson was a child molester it would be a whole different story...believe me. He would be an outcast in our family and I would see to it that he was never ever around children if I could help it. I would probably be the one carrying the shame around. And yes, I would want him to be in prison for the rest of his life rather then have him on the loose damaging little kids. I'm sure that most people who care anything about little children feel the same way that I do about child molesters.

randy33
09-10-2006, 04:25 AM
No brain warshed people I am not gay and I am not a child molester and I do not approve of either one. I am just trying to showe you what you are doing. If I didn't understand the history then I would be right in there with you.

Remember Albert Einstein wrote, "The problems that exist in the world today can not be solved by the level of thinking that created them

Do the research before you jump on the wagon


:laugh: the ACLU is going to have fun with you people


watch and see they will use your laws against you

This will be you :truce:


In the past ACUL basicly said there was no god but this time I bet they are going to use god againts you




Key words






"Where Did Cain Get His Wife?"

State v. John Scopes ("The Monkey Trial")


where did you get all those ideas? about child molester's and about values



our laws come from the Bible



Adam and Eve



Abraham married his half-sister




was god a pedophile ?.


Bible condones pedophilia




age of consent in the US and Europe only 100 years ago











To SewingDeb

:boohoo: The difference in gays and child molestors is that one group wants rights for sex between consenting ADULTS and one want rights for sex between adults and children.

Young or old if you will allow one you will allow the other

A difference I dont see one

Maybe So
09-10-2006, 11:55 AM
The ACLU is right - it's far to hard to restrict pedophiles from all places that have children - children are everywhere! No reason to release these guys from prison when there's no where it's safe to have them - let's just leave them in prison already!

The one big issue I'd worry about is how widely 'sex offenders' is defined in this law - as we've seen, sometimes a person who goes behind a bush to urinate, an 18 year old who sleeps with a 16 year old unknowningly are often called 'sex offenders'. These laws are only just, and will only work if they are going after the real people we are after - true pedophiles.

I agree, people seem to want to lump anyone called a "sex offender" or who has to register as a "sex offender" as automatically a crazed child rapist and murderer. Not every sex offender is dangerous to children. Yes many are.. but, not all are.

Some sex offenders go on to lead normal lives and have children and families of their own. Does everyone think they are drooling loners who all live in shacks or trailer parks? They should have the right to try and persue a normal and crime free life. Setting them up to the point where walking their own kid to school or going to the beach or to an amusement park with their own kids gets them in trouble with the law.....that isn't justice.

I know a young man in my town who is on that list who now has a wife, a good job and 2 daughters. He got into trouble when he was like 15, he was caught in a sex act with a girl who was 14, he said consentual, she said (after they were caught in the school bathroom by a janitor) that is was not.
As a young offender he had to go through a trial where he was told to confess and everything would go easier for him, confinement, years of counseling and probation and now is on our state sex offender registery for the next 25 years. He can't use government housing or get a job with any place that does a background check. He had a very hard time when he was younger. I only know his case because he dated my daughter some years after this incident, they later broke up. He never did anything innapropriate when he was with my daughter. He has never ever been accused, other than this one incident, of any innapropriate sexual behavior with anyone else.

Am I afraid this man now 25 will harm peoples children? No I am not....and I think it would be unfair and unconstitutional to say that he cannot take his little girls to the park or go see their school plays or go watch them play soccer games. My daughter was very hurt when he left her and I feel for her but even though he broke up with my daughter I will not speak a bad word of this kid. He was usually a hard worker, polite and quiet most of the time, mouthy and a jerk once in a while just like any other person. I don't think he deserves to be put on a list for 25 years or have signs pounded into his lawn. Perhaps the parents of the girl feel otherwise, I do not know. My daughter however tells me that the girls own sister says it was all a lie and the girl cried rape because they got caught and she was ashamed. Perhaps that colors my perception a bit.

If you think this young man is the only "sex offender" in the world with a family and children you are wrong. In fact when I went to our schools spring concert in the audience I saw parents who I know for a fact had previously been convicted of many things from child neglect, assault, drugs, wife beaters, drunk drivers, petty theives.....and I gotta think a few parents that were there probably have had offences of a sexual nature charged against them in the past too...it is a public school and there were hundreds of people in attendance to see their kids sing in the concert. Perhaps some of them who had committed crimes in the past were turning their lives around now that many of them have gotten older and started families.

Are you going to start telling everyone who ever committed a crime (sexual or not) that they are a danger to children and can't even attend their own kids events and sports. I'd like to see you try. It isn't constitutional....and if you are going to target one kind of criminal then I think you have to target them all.

You just can't punish people for something they might do someday.

You have to punish them justly and fairly for what they did do in the first place and let those who had minor offenses get on with their lives once they have fulfilled their obligation and punishment. Many people can and do go on to lead productive lives. Not everyone on the sex offender lists are incurable pedophiles and people need to start seeing the difference or the next thing you know some kid you know isn't really a bad kid will be on that list because he kissed someone in the school yard when he was 12 or had stray hands at the school dance.

Are there people who need to be banned from places where children are? You bet there are. But these people should be screened out to begin with. I know a man I warned my kids about who I would never have trusted again with children ever after he was convicted of molesting his niece. I also know of a man in my town who has never been arrested but who I have pointed out as a man my son is never to talk to or let approach him....yet numerous other single mom's let this guy take their sons all over the place with him. Almost every time I see this man he has someone's boys with him. A favorite of his is to take them to the local pool in the evening. It gives me the willies...yet no one ever complains about him and tons of people think he's great.

It's up to each person to safeguard their children and up to the law to punish those who offend and to really nail those that are violent, predatory and who reoffend. But this idea that you can pre-punish people for a 2nd offence they might someday commit does not sit well with me as they do not distinguish between predatory type people, sadists and people who simply made a youthful mistake, a minor offence, or who peed in the park.

My other beef is everone saying that anyone who is a sex offender is incurable. Well people we better stop thinking that way and start counseling some of these people and working with them because throwing up your arms and calling people incurable and wishing for a way to wipe them off the face of the earth is not going to solve the problem either. All these people are somebodies children, somebodies loved ones, somebodies family and everybodies neighbors. There has to be a better way to handle it than to brand them all the same and shun them. They need to eat and work just like anybody else and denying that fact will not solve the problems of society.

All dangerous and repeat criminals (not just sex offenders) need to be identified and dealt with severely .....the others need to be sentenced, rehabilitated, counselled and allowed to live a normal life without persecution if they prove they can go on to crime free lives.

Your corner drug dealer or your drunk neighbor are just as likely to reoffend and kill your kid any sex offender is... but people don't seem to think they are dangerous and need to be registered??? I think the guideline for who needs to be registered and who does not needs to be rethought.

randy33
09-10-2006, 01:31 PM
Did I say repeating history "YES":clap: history will tell you every thing







:bang: The words you are speaking today are the same words that was spoking in the past just replace the words "sex offender" with gays

history now protected: Jews, Blacks, homosexuals

The Future pedophiles




keep hammering



Do the research before you jump on the wagon


This will be you:truce:

SewingDeb
09-10-2006, 04:28 PM
The ACLU is right - it's far to hard to restrict pedophiles from all places that have children - children are everywhere! No reason to release these guys from prison when there's no where it's safe to have them - let's just leave them in prison already!

The one big issue I'd worry about is how widely 'sex offenders' is defined in this law - as we've seen, sometimes a person who goes behind a bush to urinate, an 18 year old who sleeps with a 16 year old unknowningly are often called 'sex offenders'. These laws are only just, and will only work if they are going after the real people we are after - true pedophiles.

You are so right Details.

SewingDeb
09-10-2006, 04:32 PM
snip

To SewingDeb

:boohoo: The difference in gays and child molestors is that one group wants rights for sex between consenting ADULTS and one want rights for sex between adults and children.

[/size]Young or old if you will allow one you will allow the other

A difference I dont see one

You don't see the difference? Open your eyes! Children cannot consent nor should they be allowed to.

randy33
09-10-2006, 08:14 PM
Children cannot consent nor should they be allowed to.I agree with you on that but that wasn't the point I was makeing. The point that I am makeing is our societie is based on values and morals witch is based on one man to one woman for life with that said. if a person can disregard one of our societies values and morals in that way that person will disregard the rest.




Open your eyes! .


my eyes are open, OPEN YOURS

you have to understand the history

SewingDeb
09-10-2006, 08:35 PM
I agree with you on that but that wasn't the point I was makeing. The point that I am makeing is our societie is based on values and morals witch is based on one man to one woman for life with that said. if a person can disregard one of our societies values and morals in that way that person will disregard the rest.




Open your eyes! .


my eyes are open, OPEN YOURS

you have to understand the history

Mine are wide open. People accept different things. Child molestation is one thing most agree is downright disgusting and should never be legal. ACLU or not!

Reader
09-10-2006, 10:20 PM
Did I say repeating history "YES":clap: history will tell you every thing







:bang: The words you are speaking today are the same words that was spoking in the past just replace the words "sex offender" with gays

history now protected: Jews, Blacks, homosexuals

The Future pedophiles




keep hammering



Do the research before you jump on the wagon


This will be you:truce:

So, do I understand correctly that your post is saying that "Jews, Blacks, and [Adult]homosexuals" should not have been/be afforded any civil rights?

That your post is saying you consider this action of their having civil rights to be a mistake of history?

That you think the same will happen with child molestors and they will be given "civil rights" to commit their crimes in the U.S.?

So, you are equating the fact that someone is Jewish, Black or homosexual with the crime of molestation?

If this is what your post is saying, I heartily disagree. There is an enormous difference between granting civil rights to groups of people who are what they are through no fault of their own, and a group of people who are commiting crimes against children.

I do not believe child molestors will ever be granted the right to commit crimes against children in the U.S.

concernedperson
09-10-2006, 10:22 PM
I am worried about this poster. It scares me.

SewingDeb
09-10-2006, 11:50 PM
I am worried about this poster. It scares me.

It scares me too.

randy33
09-11-2006, 12:05 AM
I HAVE ALREADY BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD WITH YOU BRAIN WASHED PEOPLE ONE DAY IN THE FUTURE YOU WILL LOOK BACK AND SEE THAT I WAS RIGHT ALL I CAN SAY IS GOOD LUCK I HOPE YOU WIN YOUR BATTLE AND GET EVERY ONE OF THOSE :bang: CHILD KILLERS AND IF YOU DO PUT ONE OF THOSE :bang: BASTARDS IN THE ELECTRIC CHAIR FOR ME.



AS I SAID HISTORY WILL TELL YOU EVERY THING


Remember Albert Einstein wrote, "The problems that exist in the world today can not be solved by the level of thinking that created them

SewingDeb
09-11-2006, 10:24 AM
I HAVE ALREADY BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD WITH YOU BRAIN WASHED PEOPLE ONE DAY IN THE FUTURE YOU WILL LOOK BACK AND SEE THAT I WAS RIGHT ALL I CAN SAY IS GOOD LUCK I HOPE YOU WIN YOUR BATTLE AND GET EVERY ONE OF THOSE :bang: CHILD KILLERS AND IF YOU DO PUT ONE OF THOSE :bang: BASTARDS IN THE ELECTRIC CHAIR FOR ME.



AS I SAID HISTORY WILL TELL YOU EVERY THING


Remember Albert Einstein wrote, "The problems that exist in the world today can not be solved by the level of thinking that created them



What is your solution if you think we are doing it wrong?

randy33
09-11-2006, 02:33 PM
What is your solution if you think we are doing it wrong?
Remember you asked for it

To start off with how about a bit of supervision, people? Parents can start by doing simple common-sense things like locking the door and windows after all that is what they where made for or holding their hand in a mall and it would be a good idea not to let them roam around town by their selves That is your job to protect them 24-7 no matter what it takes. Look above at the simple common-sense things that I pointed out that wasnít done by these parents of high profile cases. You are not living life for your self, you gave up that right when you had that child . Believe it or not these are family values that out dates our country. Oh no not history. Don't be naive about today's society because it is not the same as when we grew up. Today we have to worry about more than just child molesters we have to worry about children killing each other because some one got called a bad name or over a video game.Our societies values is like a runaway train with no brakes. It is time for parents to start protecting their children the right way.It is not the governments responsibility to protect their children besides they can't because our laws and rights are being used against us.You donít need a village to raise a child especially since there are About 600,000 of these sickos in it and that is just the ones that we know about You need responsible parents and the government needs to mind their own bizwacks when it comes to raising children.and talk about no supervision this latest one where a lawyer killed a man for allegedly molesting his 2 year old. I want to ask a question where was these "parents" when this man allegedly molested this 2 year old.after all this was a 2 year old child. May be they where too busy watching another inane sitcom or perhaps another sports extravaganza.That is provided they weren't doped up or too drunk to do the "parents job" and "responsibility" to protect their children. We should Put these "bad parents" in jail for years for endangering a child and "contributing to the crime". Like I said Our societies values is like a runaway train with no brakes. Me or my wife of 27 years never left our child alone at that young of age in fact he was never left alone until the age of 16 and then it scared the hell out of me to do that. I believe that if any body leaves their child alone at that young of age they don't deserve to have them. Children are very special gifts ask any person that can't have one. Here is the excuse I hear the most both parents have to work I say bull **** when I was raising my child I worked three jobs so these excuses don't work with me. People don't relies how the breakdown of families effects children and society.how many of these missing /murdered children come from broken homes? The mother and father have new sex partners drifting in and out of the Childs life. Soon the child becomes just as disposable to them as the Childs other parent was so if society wants to protect children lets start at home.So if you want a cause to protect children here is on for you promote families and family values again look back in history and see when our society break down started.Oh no not history. I could go on and on but we would be here forever and it would make the attacks on me worst. Let it begin


This is just my opinion as well....right or wrong.

Details
09-11-2006, 03:23 PM
JMO - but it sounds like you're somewhat mixing up TV and real life. Most people do take good care of their kids. In the lawyer case, there is nothing saying the kid was ever left alone with the molester (let alone anything with drugs) - and the leading theory is that the molester maybe got to her by breaking into her bedroom window at night - I'd assume you and your wife didn't sleep in the bedroom with your kid, so you are as vulnerable as they were (and several other families unfortunately have been) to that kind of attack.

For the bad parents - there's a huge problem with just telling the gov't to but out, and the parents to do their job. When the parents don't - and some of them just aren't willing or able to because of drug addictions or just plain stupid or lazy or whatever - the kids, and our society pays the price. The people who made the mistake don't pay the price, so relying on them doesn't work well.

Actually, here you seem to contradict yourself - do you want "It is not the governments responsibility to protect their children besides they can't because our laws and rights are being used against us." or "We should Put these "bad parents" in jail for years for endangering a child and "contributing to the crime"."? If we're putting people in jail for being bad parents, then it seems that it is the government's responsibility... ?

Society hasn't changed that much. There were babysitters and daycare, and pedophiles were pretty well unprosecuted, which IMHO is why we suddenly think that there are more of them - because before we didn't even acknowledge what they did as a crime! It was just the 'funny' uncle, and the victim was shamed and kept quiet and everyone pretended it didn't happen.

SewingDeb
09-11-2006, 03:29 PM
That's your solution?? That's common sense and what most do all the time. We are well aware of the dangers. How do you explain the high profile cases where the child is taken from their own beds or the recent one where the girl was in the bed with HER PARENTS?

We all know we cannot trust just anyone with our children and most of us would never let them run wild or not hold their hand in the mall, etc.

Now....what do you propose be done about the child molesters now that you've jumped the parents? I think you're preaching to the choir on this one and the ones who need to hear your message are not on here.

randy33
09-12-2006, 03:48 AM
JMO - but it sounds like you're somewhat mixing up TV and real life. Most people do take good care of their kids. In the lawyer case, there is nothing saying the kid was ever left alone with the molester (let alone anything with drugs) - and the leading theory is that the molester maybe got to her by breaking into her bedroom window at night - I'd assume you and your wife didn't sleep in the bedroom with your kid, so you are as vulnerable as they were (and several other families unfortunately have been) to that kind of attack.

For the bad parents - there's a huge problem with just telling the gov't to but out, and the parents to do their job. When the parents don't - and some of them just aren't willing or able to because of drug addictions or just plain stupid or lazy or whatever - the kids, and our society pays the price. The people who made the mistake don't pay the price, so relying on them doesn't work well.

Actually, here you seem to contradict yourself - do you want "It is not the governments responsibility to protect their children besides they can't because our laws and rights are being used against us." or "We should Put these "bad parents" in jail for years for endangering a child and "contributing to the crime"."? If we're putting people in jail for being bad parents, then it seems that it is the government's responsibility... ?

Society hasn't changed that much. There were babysitters and daycare, and pedophiles were pretty well unprosecuted, which IMHO is why we suddenly think that there are more of them - because before we didn't even acknowledge what they did as a crime! It was just the 'funny' uncle, and the victim was shamed and kept quiet and everyone pretended it didn't happen.
Maybe you will remember these things that you posted

You say :Because how the police act indicates to me that they never seriously considered the evidence. It became personal, they were focused," tunnel vision, could see nothing" other than the Ramseys, had no willingness to consider anything else.



You say : read more carefully, with an open mind, rather than just with stereotypes about anyone who isn't completely with you



I say : jump out of the wagon Do the research before you jump on the wagon





You say :Even if Mexico became a perfect wonderland, with jobs for all, there'd still be some wanting to cross illegally - a fence is always needed, so long as some exist who won't respect property. Even in a good neighborhood, you don't leave your house wide open at night - just because all it takes is one single bad neighbor, one predator, no matter how good the rest are.




You say: Do you close your doors at home? Windows? Or do you not want to be fenced in, and allow others to enter at will and take what you have made? Or are you 'fearful' that someone will enter your unlocked door at night and take things or harm you or your loved ones?













Bobbisangel said"

Trenton is just so cute. I hope that he is found soon. So they think someone came in through the window. He must not have even woke up or his mom would have heard him. I wonder why they aren't focused on the father. Maybe he is dead or not in the area...maybe.

All families with children should have alarm systems so that if anyone breaks a window or trys to get in a door the alarm will go off. I know that most single moms probably can't afford to put in an alarm system but I see them advertised for pretty reasonable. It sure would be worth it in this day and age. There are glass cutters that don't even make any noise and in a lot of doors you can use a credit card to open the door. I don't think there is such a thing as being safe unless you have an alarm system.



I don't think any body can say it better than that



I say: A lawyer can't afford to put in an alarm system







you say: For the bad parents - there's a huge problem with just telling the gov't to but out, and the parents to do their job. When the parents don't - and some of them just aren't willing or able to because of drug addictions or just plain stupid or lazy or whatever - the kids, and our society pays the price. The people who made the mistake don't pay the price, so relying on them doesn't work well.





I said : "We should Put these "bad parents" in jail for years for endangering a child and "contributing to the crime"



I said: if any body leaves their child alone at that young of age they don't deserve to have them. Children are very special gifts ask any person that can't have one



I said: Our societies values is like a runaway train with no brakes



I said: So if you want a cause to protect children here is one for you promote families and family values










I said : Me or my wife of 27 years never left our child alone at that young of age in fact he was never left alone until the age of 16 and then it scared the hell out of me to do that.

















You say " Most" people do take good care of their kids



I say: I agree Key word " Most"

randy33
09-12-2006, 04:01 AM
That's your solution?? That's common sense and what most do all the time. We are well aware of the dangers. How do you explain the high profile cases where the child is taken from their own beds or the recent one where the girl was in the bed with HER PARENTS?

We all know we cannot trust just anyone with our children and most of us would never let them run wild or not hold their hand in the mall, etc.

Now....what do you propose be done about the child molesters now that you've jumped the parents? I think you're preaching to the choir on this one and the ones who need to hear your message are not on here.jumped the parents?



Maybe you will remember these things that you posted



You say : The "parents" were allowing him to travel with their son from the time he was only 11 months old? They need to be charged too!



I said :"We should Put these "bad parents" in jail for years for endangering a child and "contributing to the crime"



You say : The children were too young to be left in a public park without adult supervision. Bottom line.



I said :"We should Put these "bad parents" in jail for years for endangering a child and "contributing to the crime"






You say : That is entirely possible, but if the "mother" had been there she could have pulled him off her daughter and called for help while beating the everloving you know what out of him. He wasn't even a big guy.I agree. I am sure the mother will feel guilt over this for the rest of her life," but it was her job to protect her children". I wonder what the father thinks of all of this.




I said :"We should Put these "bad parents" in jail for years for endangering a child and "contributing to the crime"





You say : I think it should be a "felony" to leave a child that young alone even for 10 minutes.



I said : "We should Put these "bad parents" in jail for years for endangering a child and "contributing to the crime"





You say : I can see the defense in this case claiming severe Postpartum Depression. That may be exactly what was going on with the mother, but it infuriates me that the "father" did not do more to help his own children.

I said : "We should Put these "bad parents" in jail for years for endangering a child and "contributing to the crime"


Well isn't that the pot calling the kettle black:clap: :truce:



history will tell you every thing


You say :How do you explain the high profile cases where the child is taken from their own beds or the recent one where the girl was in the bed with HER PARENTS?






Bobbisangel said : Trenton is just so cute. I hope that he is found soon. So they think someone came in through the window. He must not have even woke up or his mom would have heard him. I wonder why they aren't focused on the father. Maybe he is dead or not in the area...maybe.

All families with children should have alarm systems so that if anyone breaks a window or trys to get in a door the alarm will go off. I know that most single moms probably can't afford to put in an alarm system but I see them advertised for pretty reasonable. It sure would be worth it in this day and age. There are glass cutters that don't even make any noise and in a lot of doors you can use a credit card to open the door. I don't think there is such a thing as being safe unless you have an alarm system.


I said :"We should Put these "bad parents" in jail for years for endangering a child and "contributing to the crime"



I don't think any body can say it better than Bobbisangel







Details said: Because how the police act indicates to me that they never seriously considered the evidence. It became personal, they were focused, tunnel vision, could see nothing other than the Ramseys, had no willingness to consider anything else.


Details said :read more carefully, with an open mind, rather than just with stereotypes about anyone who isn't completely with you



I say : jump out of the wagon Do the research before you jump on the wagon



I said: So if you want a cause to protect children here is one for you promote families and family values



You said: I think you're preaching to the choir on this one and the ones who need to hear your message are not on here.



I say : apparently your wrong

Details
09-12-2006, 12:56 PM
Nice research - but I do remember what I have posted - and I've got no problem with any of it - not sure what point you are trying to make. I believed it then, I still believe it now, and there's no conflict that I see.


But - wow - you must have spent a ton of time working on that post - maybe you can say a bit more clearly what point you were trying to make?

randy33
09-12-2006, 01:13 PM
You have ," tunnel vision, could see nothing" jump out of the wagon Do the research before you jump on the wagon you need to read the post more carefully and understand what's being said Like I said if you want to protect children get to the parents that are not protecting their children to teach them family values and how to protect their children. These parents in these high profile cases are made out to be victems and they are not they "contributed to the crime" when you see one of these cases on tv I bet one of your thoughts is where was the parents



I have plenty of time I am retired and no I'm not 65 yet but I'm old enough to know disco music

Details
09-12-2006, 05:47 PM
OK, so all the quotes have no meaning? Weird - whatever.

You have to look at the facts in every case. There are always 'if only's' - if only Jessica's family had moved into house B rather than house A, she'd still be alive. If only her mom had gotten up for a drink of water, she'd be alive. If only the parents handcuffed Jessica to them 24/7, she'd still be alive. But is there a real failure of parental duties, and if so, was it one of those little one time things, and they got unlucky, or is there no such failing?

Just looking at the parents and figuring that they must have made a mistake is a comforting thought, that only if you mess up will such a horrible thing happen to your child - but it just isn't true. Kids do get grabbed from their own beds, with doors locked, with their sober parents asleep in the next room. Or sometimes there's a small understandable error - they didn't notice that their child had figured out how to unlock the window, etc. But for almost all parents who have these horrible things happen, they haven't made a mistake of anywhere near the magnitude where there's any reasonable expectation of the horrible consequences. Those parents are victims, just as a woman who makes the mistake of getting into a bad area of town when taking a wrong turn, and she gets raped is a victim. Humans make mistakes, but unless there is real significant negligence, I don't think the parents mistakes are at all a part of the crime. You don't have to be Mary Poppins rolled up with June Cleaver to be a victim when your kid is hurt.


But what this all has to do with rights for gays, blacks, and other minorities, I have no idea. And how watching a sitcom makes you a bad parent I really don't get - since you say you have plenty of time, you might want to spend a bit more focusing your posts down to exactly what you want to say, rather than random hints and 10 different subjects.

SewingDeb
09-13-2006, 05:58 PM
jumped the parents?



Maybe you will remember these things that you posted

Yes, I remember my posts and stand by them. Nothing you have said changes my opinion.


Well isn't that the pot calling the kettle black:clap: :truce:

You lost me there.

history will tell you every thing

So, are you saying that you think most/all parents are not doing a good job of watching their children and therefore they are more to blame than the sex offender? I say neglectful parents may contribute to the problem, but the most blame should be on the offender.

I said: So if you want a cause to protect children here is one for you promote families and family values

I haven't seen posters on this forum who do not promote family values and families. That's pretty much a given....that's why I said you are preaching to the choir.



You said: I think you're preaching to the choir on this one and the ones who need to hear your message are not on here.



I say : apparently your wrong



What/who am I wrong about? You are not explaining yourself very well.

Do you want the parents put in jail rather than the offender? Or do you want just the parents in jail?

Do you think all parents these days are neglectful and not careful with their small children? I'm trying to understand you.

SewingDeb
09-13-2006, 06:06 PM
Ok, back on subject. In my opinion, we need to identify the sexual predators and keep them locked up. Then we won't need so many rules about where people live.

And, yes Randy, morals are important and parents need to be on guard.

Details
09-13-2006, 06:12 PM
I really think those GPS ankle bracelets are a great solution, if paired up with enough computing power and monitoring. And, most importantly, making sure they are used on the real problematic sex offenders, not the poor suckers who urinate outdoors or have a girlfriend a year or two younger than they are.

That is, GPS for first time, non-violent offenders - we need to look at this, the severity of the crime, the reoffense rates, and really make a policy that understands the shades of gray in 'sex offenders'. The violent, habituals need death or at a minimum LWOP, the first time violent need LWOP or close, etc.

SewingDeb
09-13-2006, 06:14 PM
Details:
The only problem is that they can be taken off in 30 seconds (ask Martha Stewart). Sounds good...maybe they need an implant deep in the brain where they are unlikely to try to remove it.

Details
09-13-2006, 06:23 PM
Details:
The only problem is that they can be taken off in 30 seconds (ask Martha Stewart). Sounds good...maybe they need an implant deep in the brain where they are unlikely to try to remove it.Two solutions to that - first is one that cannot be taken off. Second is a simple equation - removing bracelet means police are instantly called to the location, instant manhunt, and back to jail fast.

I'm sure that any violent pedophile is going to remove the bracelet when he wants to go molest - but that is a great signal, if the computer is monitoring it. Likewise, it can monitor and alert police if the pedophile is hanging out in school zones or other suspicious locations, any location his parole says he shouldn't be in. That's the trick, to have a computer monitoring, so there is an effective spy hanging out on the sex offender's shoulder - if they stay on the right path - no problems. But the instant they step off - the police are there, tapping them on their shoulder. It may help, IMHO, some of the borderline pedophiles to control that compulsion, knowing that no matter what they try, they will be caught. Right now we've got them on the honor system, effectively. And they're sick, and have compulsions that they've already failed once to control. So let's help them out, while identifying the ones who cannot control themselves and need life in prison.

SewingDeb
09-13-2006, 06:30 PM
It would be great if they could not be removed and there is constant monitoring and instant jail time if caught removing it. The 24/7 monitoring costs a lot, but it would be the best solution...if we are going to let them back into society.

becca
09-14-2006, 01:26 AM
I have a point to make here and I'm going to try to put it very nicely.
Jessie was in the comfort of her own home, in her own room, in her own bed.
Do not ever say that she was kidnapped because her father wasn't home. She was with her grandparents, the same ones that raised her dad. They did a great job with him, and because of a scumbag we will never know how great of a job they would have helped Mark do with Jessie.

No one has the right to come into a home and take a child from their bed. PERIOD.

becca