Rose Cole Part 2

[itsreenw]

If you are new to the Rose Cole threads, welcome aboard!! You may want to review the 1st thread to familiarize yourself with the case and parties involved.




Posted by IsabelaPR: Hi!!!

I am heading to MICHIGAN, be back Friday night (the latest). Will not have access to e-mails or Forum while there . . . Have a great Fourth of JULY!

I want to concentrate on 3 major things:
1. Library (Jesse Joseph Obituary)
2. Police Department (any records, try to open a missing person case)
3. Jesse Joseph's Will/letter notifications to kids
I was searching the Genessee County courts to see if there was any info about Rose anywhere. I didn't find anything on Rose but I forwarded some case info I found regarding Rose's father's will to her SIL.

It seems Rose's uncle, the executor, was required to send notification letters to the children regarding their dad's will. It is not clear from the info online what kids or addresses he sent notices to. It is doubtful there is an address for Rose but it wil be interesting to find out what status her uncle lists for her whereabouts.

It is a probability that he didn't follow proper procedures intentionally so more money would go in his own pocket.
I didn't delve too deeply as wills, etc are very personal matters and thought if the family wanted to post more they would.

Hopefully IsabelaPR will come home with some encouraging news.

[MagicRose99]

Bump... :blushing:

[itsreenw]

Is anyone familiar with will/probate terminology? It looks like Rose's uncle, Joseph Borich, executed the will in 1991 then in 1995 there was some sort of new discovery so the estate was reopened. I am curious to see if Rose is listed as one of the benificiaries. Jesse Joseph's brother may have knowledge of what happened to Rose. There is also something about the publication date. Hollow, can you look for the publication to see exactly what it says? The Flint Journal is the local newspaper. Here's what I found on Jesse Joseph Cole's court docs-#23-25 are logged out of orderon the website for some reason & the format appears a little different on the site but all the info is here:

CASE# 91134787JUDGE 18268DATE 5/20/1991NAME COLE,JESSE,JOSEPH OPTIONAL DATE 4/29/1991STATUS CCLOSED 5/20/1996ATTNY 11186 BREWERMICRO R-2253
NUM DESC QUALIFICATION DUE DATE PARTY ACTIVITY COURT ACTIVITY
SURETY AOT 5/20/1991 5/20/1991 CIP 3/05/1992 CIC 3/05/1992

1 IPT
JOSEPH BORICH ATTORNEY: BREWER
6511 MAPLEBROOK BLDG 16
FLINT MI 48507

2 IPT AOT 10/11/1995 10/11/1995 CIP 4/18/1996 CIC 5/20/1996
BORICH,JOSEPH, ATTORNEY: BREWER

39155 DOVETREE DRIVE
MURRIETA CA 92563
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------NUM CODE F/DATE SEQ H/DATE TIME MICROFILM# ATTNY DISP DATE JUDGE
1 LWT 5/20/1991 9011893 11186 18268 LAST WILL & TESTAMENT
2 COP 5/20/1991 9011896 11186 18268 PETITION FOR COMMENCEMENT OF PROCEEDINGS
3 TES 5/20/1991 9011898 11186 18268

TESTIMONY OF INTEREST PARTY 4 TSS 5/20/1991 9011900 11186

TESTIMONY SUPPLEMENTAL 5 RIO 5/20/1991 9011902 11186 18268
**I WISH WE COULD SEE WHAT HIS TESTIMONY SAID***


6 AOT 5/20/1991 9011903 11186 18268

REGISTERS ORDER/STATEMENTTESTATE
IPT ACCEPTANCE OF TRUST

7 LET 5/20/1991 .9011904 11186 18268

LETTERS OF AUTHORITY

8 CNI 5/20/1991 . 9011905 11186 18268

CLAIMS NOTICE INDEP PROBATE

9 NIP 5/20/1991 9011906 11186 18268

NOTICE OF APPOINTMENT AND DUTIES OF PERSONAL REP

10 AFP 5/24/1991 9022052 11186 18268

AFFIDAVIT OF PUBLICATION

11 PSV 5/28/1991 9030354 11186
PROOF OF SERVICE
12 PSV 6/05/1991 9041306 11186

PROOF OF SERVICE
13 PSV 11/21/1991 934 1962 111868

PROOF OF SERVICE

14 TAO 12/12/1991 9380786 11186 1268
INHERITANCE TAX ORDER (MDT C-6504)

15 RDS 1/07/1992 941 0556 11186 18268
RECEIPT OF DISTRIBUTIVE SHARE

16 TAR 1/07/1992 941 0557 11186 18268
TAX RECEIPTS COUNTY

17 CIP 1/08/1992 9411576 11186 18268I

PT CLOSING STATEMENT

18 RDS 1/08/1992 9411577 11186 18268
RECEIPT OF DISTRIBUTIVE SHARE

19 RDS 1/15/1992 943 0316 11186 18268
RECEIPT OF DISTRIBUTIVE SHARE

20 TAX 2/20/1992 950 0500 11186 18268
INHERITANCE TAX RECEIPT FILED STATE

21 CIP 3/05/1992 952 1100 11186 18268I
PT CLOSING STATEMENT

22 CIC 3/05/1992 952 1100 11186 18268
IPT CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION

25 RIO 1/01/1995

REGISTERS ORDER/STATEMENT

23 PET 10/11/1995 11186 18268
PETITION TO RE-OPEN ESTATEAND ADD NEWLY DISCOVERED ASSET

24 ORD 10/11/1995 1225 1236 11186 18268
ORDER RE-OPENING ESTATE

26 AOT 10/11/1995 1225 1237 11186 18268
IPT ACCEPTANCE OF TRUST

27 LET 10/11/1995 1225 1239 11186 18268
LETTERS OF AUTHORITY

28 NFA 10/11/1995 1225 1240 11186 18268
NOTICE REGARDING ATTORNEY FEES

29 INV 10/11/1995 1225 1241 11186 18268
IPT INVENTORY FILED

30 TAO 2/27/1996 1256 0222 11186 18268
INHERITANCE TAX ORDER (MDT C-6504)SUPPLEMENTAL

31 TAX 4/08/1996 1265 1626 11186 18268
INHERITANCE TAX RECEIPT FILED STATE

32 CIP 4/18/1996 1268 0354 11186 18268I
PT CLOSING STATEMENT

33 CIC 5/20/1996 1274 0788 11186 18268
IPT CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION

[hoping4truth]

Itsreen, since Isabella is married to one of the children that should have been sent a letter, can't her husband ask for a copy of the information from the Lawyer (info is listed on the docs, right?)?

Also,
here is the link to the first Rose Cole thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37727

[christine2448]

Ok...here, sorry itsreen, didn't even see a new thread started, 'bout time! Thanks.

[itsreenw]

Itsreen, since Isabella is married to one of the children that should have been sent a letter, can't her husband ask for a copy of the information from the Lawyer (info is listed on the docs, right?)?

Also,
here is the link to the first Rose Cole thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37727(THIS INFO IS FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE ONLY FROM MY DIVORCE PROCEEDINGS IN CA!!! THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE WILL ITSELF, ONLY THE MATTER OF SERVICE OF COURT DOCUMENTS IN MY CASE)

I don't really know the laws on this but I would assume he had to attempt to notify all interested parties by mail if addresses were known, if not then a public notice may have been sufficient as proof of attempted service. Now again, I have no experience in probate/estate law or any other kind of law for that matter but I just went through a hell of a divorce and because my ex wouldn't accept the papers from the server, I had to serve him via public notice in a local newspaper.

Regarding Jesse Joseph's will, I saw an entry of a publication date so it's possible that's the route he took, knowing the children were no longer in the Flint area and would not see the notice in a Flint newspaper. From what I have been told, executors of wills often give $1 to the interested parties so they have proof that all parties were included in the will and SOMETHING was left to them

What I want to see is who he had listed as interested parties and if Rose was included in the will as a surviving child.

To answer the question you asked, if the lawyer isn't willing to give a copy, they can certainly request a copy from the court. Isabella emailed me after I sent this to her and she said she was going to check on the will while she is there.

The uncle sounds like a real winner-stealing money from his nieces and nephews. I noticed Joseph has a CA address too. I wonder if he lived in CA in the 70s and if Rose would've contacted him.

[christine2448]

Well, I posted the court document itreenw to find out if someone could decode it for us, on the probate/will forum at freelegaladvice.com...here was my response...no help, I don't believe :( :


The affidavit of publication is simply a form that announces that notification about the estate has been published in a major local daily newspaper or legal newspaper in the Flint, Michigan area so that creditors can file a claim if necessary with the estate.

All you need to do to get information about this estate is to visit the Genesee County Probate Court in Flint, Michigan and look at the probate file, which will contain information about how the estate was handled, the original will and names and addresses of any beneficiaries. Then your curiosity will be satisfied!!

If you live too far away from the courthouse, perhaps in another state, call or write the courthouse to ask for copies from the probate file to be mailed to you.

DANDY DON IN OKLAHOMA

[IsabelaPR]

I went to the courthouse and found the document. Notifications were sent to the available addresses and confirmation was received from 3 of the 4 kids:
Norma (Received letter)
Billy (Received letter)
Pose (letter returned unable to locate Pose)
Brenda (Received letter)

Unknown Addresses:
Jesse
Rose

A few months later, they found Jesse's address and notification and confirmation were recorded in file.

Nothing was sent or received to or from Rose.

In 1996, J Borich re-opened the case to claim money Jesse Joseph had been awarded from a lawsuit he made to a former employer.

None of the kids were notified on this matter.

That's all this document is it doesn't get us any closer to Rose.

I made copies of a couple of pages. They only had one microfilm machine and it was not working properly.

[HeartofTexas]

Among other things, I think I hate that J Borich character. What a slimeball.

I also notice that Jesse's 3rd wife wasn't notified. Were they divorced? Why didn't she get any of Jesse's estate? Why wasn't she notified?

[IsabelaPR]

Today, I went back to the police station. I feel like a failure! I spoke with Sgt. Younger who wants nothing to do with this case. He was very rude and suggested I sue the city for loosing Rose. He sent me to the courthouse to locate the records. I knew the records are no longer available but went there anyway.

The people there tried to help me but despite their efforts no records to be found. I did learned that the city of Flint paid the Synanon bill. She said that the Synanon was supposed to report back to Flint every 90 days with a status report on Rose. Since there are no records we don’t know for sure what information was given to the courts. We don’t know if they ever reporter her missing.

I also learned that in Flint, MI you are considered an adult at 16 (maybe 17 my emotions were running the show at this point, can‘t remember if she said 16 or 17), therefore the record will have been “sponged” (destroyed). This might be the reason for the 1974 document to dismissed the charges, she was 18 by then. . .

I went back to Younger and told him what I learned. He had told me Rose didn’t qualify under the missing person’s criteria. I asked him many times what this “criteria” was but I didn’t get clarification. But when I came back and explained the records not been available, he felt I should file the report in California. I asked what was the difference, why will Rose qualify in CA but not in Flint? He said he couldn’t understand why was I expecting to get any help from Flint. I asked him if he had children, and told him I had one, and if Flint police department came and took my child away I would expect them to keep him safe. I also said, that I felt they lost her and the least they could do was to help me found her.

So his attitude dropped and he asked if I was expecting for him to go against procedures and he proceeded to call Detective Crawford who is supposed to call me sometime next week.

He also suggested I went to the press, and told me how to get to the news station. I went there, talk to a reporter and she explained that the only way she would show Rose’s picture is if there is a Flint Missing person report. She kept Rose’s picture and gave me her contact information in case Crawford has a heart and helps us out.

So, I got nothing. . .We are leaving Flint in a couple of hours. . .

[IsabelaPR]

Among other things, I think I hate that J Borich character. What a slimeball.

I also notice that Jesse's 3rd wife wasn't notified. Were they divorced? Why didn't she get any of Jesse's estate? Why wasn't she notified?

They were divorced prior to his death. . .Isabela

[hoping4truth]

You didn't fail, Isabella.
Failing would have been walking past the police station, and never even trying!
I admire you so much for what you do! I sit at my computer and do research, but you're out there stirring the pot!
You're doing a great thing for Rose! I know you know that, but I wanted to remind you what I see every time I check this thread: Strength and dedication!

Keep it up!

[HeartofTexas]

I want to second what Hoping said, Isabela. You went there with a mission and you went after it with a vengeance. It's not your fault that few people want anything to do with it. They're probably afraid they ultimately will have some kind of liability for "losing Rose", so don't want to allow the case to re-surface. But you've tried and you've looked them in the eye and you've marched from the police station, to the Courthouse, to news station, etc.

Don't forget, too, that you have learned a few things... that Rose's name was listed in the obituary, that Flint paid the Synanon bill, etc. So we do know more than before you went there. I admire you so much, and I'm proud of you for trying so hard to locate Rose. Have a safe trip home.

[Shadow205]

Isabela,

Do not feel like you failed. You opened the door and got people's attention. People there now know about Rose and something could come out of that. I found contact information for Governor Jennifer M. Granholm. Here it is:


Governor Jennifer M. Granholm

P.O. Box 30013
Lansing, Michigan 48909



PHONE: (517) 373-3400
PHONE: (517) 335-7858 - Constituent Services
FAX:(517) 335-6863

On her website http://www.michigan.gov/gov/0,1607,7-168-21995---,00.html I found this:

Citizen Assistance (http://www.michigan.gov/gov/0,1607,7-168-35316---,00.html)
State Agency Support - The Governor is committed to assisting anyone who has encountered difficulty reaching a resolution with a state governed agency, or anyone who is unsure of whom to contact to address a particular concern. If you are having a problem that you would like assistance with, please use this form.

Here is the link for the form: https://www.mich.gov/gov/0,1607,7-168-35316-65315--SS,00.html


I think that it would be a good idea to send in that form. Explain to the Governor that you went to Flint, MI and feel that you got the runaround while trying to get Rose listed as a missing person. Stress the fact that Rose was a juvenile sent there by the judicial system. Ask for her assistance. I think that it is time for you to go up the ladder.

[IsabelaPR]

Isabela,
The Governor is committed to assisting anyone who has encountered difficulty reaching a resolution with a state governed agency,[/b] or anyone who is unsure of whom to contact to address a particular concern. If you are having a problem that you would like assistance with, please use this form.[/size][/font]

Here is the link for the form: https://www.mich.gov/gov/0,1607,7-168-35316-65315--SS,00.html


[/indent]

Thank you guys! To all of you!!! ~~~ GRACIAS!

I completed the form to the governor and sent her the pictures and letters link along with the forum link. Hopefully we get a reply. . .

[HeartofTexas]

Great job on that link, Shadow! What a find!

Welcome back home, Isabela. Keep us posted on anything you hear from anyone. Hopefully the Governor will light a fire under the Flint PD.

[Shadow205]

Great job on that link, Shadow! What a find!

Welcome back home, Isabela. Keep us posted on anything you hear from anyone. Hopefully the Governor will light a fire under the Flint PD.
Thanks HoT, lets hope that she might get some help from the Governor.

[rmpltzr]

I've read every message in both threads regarding this. (Took me awhile!) I've visited every link and looked at every picture.

Don't give up Isabella! Contact the Gov. Keep fighting for this info. Rose is out there. Her history, her story is out there. You are an amazing person to take this on and this is an amazing group to help you out. I truly wish there was something I could do that would help ease your burden.

You will know what happened to her one day. I'm sure of it and I hope it happens soon.

[itsreenw]

Isabela, why don't you talk to your husband and ask how close Uncle Joseph and his dad were. I am wondering if Uncle Joseph would be able to shed any light on Rose or recall a conversation he and Jesse Joseph had back then. I'm sure they had to have talked about it at some point. He made him the executor of his will even though his own kids were adults when he died so I assume they had a relationship. Couldn't hurt to try.

[IsabelaPR]

Isabela, why don't you talk to your husband and ask how close Uncle Joseph and his dad were. I am wondering if Uncle Joseph would be able to shed any light on Rose or recall a conversation he and Jesse Joseph had back then. I'm sure they had to have talked about it at some point. He made him the executor of his will even though his own kids were adults when he died so I assume they had a relationship. Couldn't hurt to try.

I know what you mean, I been wanting to call the guy myself and see what he says. I know the minute he realizes its someone related to Jesse Joseph, he will hang up, so I was thinking to pretend I was a Private investigator looking for Rose. Maybe one of you do a better job than me as a PI, what do you think?

Another problem I am having is that I can't find his phone number. The one guy in CA is only 50 years old and the other one in AZ is in his late 80's. I don't think either one is him. . .

By the way, I tried to do the same with JJoseph 3rd wife (Orr), but no luck with the phone numbers found.

[GraceBlue]

I know what you mean, I been wanting to call the guy myself and see what he says. I know the minute he realizes its someone related to Jesse Joseph, he will hang up, so I was thinking to pretend I was a Private investigator looking for Rose. Maybe one of you do a better job than me as a PI, what do you think?

Another problem I am having is that I can't find his phone number. The one guy in CA is only 50 years old and the other one in AZ is in his late 80's. I don't think either one is him. . .

By the way, I tried to do the same with JJoseph 3rd wife (Orr), but no luck with the phone numbers found.

You can try searching for them on www.zabasearch.com (its free) I've found a lot of people there who are 'unlisted' in telephone books. Good Luck!

[HeartofTexas]

How old would you say Borich is, Isabela? I found one that's 86... is he younger than that? I also found one that's 49 and one that's 105! Name your age, and I'll find him for you... LOL!

[Shadow205]

Isabella,

Did you ever hear anything from the lady who does the needlepoint with the mother named Rose?

[Shadow205]

Itsreenw,

I was just reading back over the info that you posted about the will. I noticed this:

1 IPT
JOSEPH BORICH ATTORNEY: BREWER
6511 MAPLEBROOK BLDG 16
FLINT MI 48507

2 IPT AOT 10/11/1995 10/11/1995 CIP 4/18/1996 CIC 5/20/1996
BORICH,JOSEPH, ATTORNEY: BREWER

39155 DOVETREE DRIVE
MURRIETA CA 92563


Whose address is that?

[christine2448]

so I was thinking to pretend I was a Private investigator looking for Rose. Maybe one of you do a better job than me as a PI, what do you think?

Get Shadow to call, I bet she will, retired LE, she knows how to question I bet, like a PI would....Shadow?

[welder 79]

IsabelaPR You doing a fine Job, failure is a word not even within a million mile's of you..I try not to post on these site's I have a hard time keeping up with but all yourall have left me in the dust in this case. But Iam learning a lot from everybody on this site..I remember when this family 1st asked for help I believe i posted and talked to a member of the family, the work and the speed of this case has completely amaze me,everybody on here is doing a super very fine job:)

[Shadow205]

Get Shadow to call, I bet she will, retired LE, she knows how to question I bet, a PI would....Shadow?
I would be glad to Isabella, just say the word.

[christine2448]

OK, those of you that know me, know how bad my memory is from a bad car accident awhile back......anyhow, I rec'd 2 emails in the last couple of days, responding to emails I sent...


The email from Gov Arnold...he somehow got that passed to him with Rose's story and me asking for maps of the Oakland area in the year we think Rose went missing....not much help.

From: governor@govmail.ca.gov governor@govmail.ca.gov
To: christine2448@charter.net
Friday, June 09, 2006 2:10 PM
Subject: Searching for girl who went missing 1972-1973

Thank you for taking the time to email and share your concerns. I believe government works best when elected officials listen to the people they represent on important issues.

Decision-making authority for the matter you describe rests entirely with the City of Oakland. Their officials should be able to locate maps of the city in the 1970's. Although I value your perspective, I am committed to honoring the role and responsibility of these locally-elected officials.

Again, thank you for your email. I urge you to continue working with your local representatives to see that your concerns are addressed.

Sincerely,

Arnold Schwarzenegger


And then, I got this one right after...I don't remember this one at all...:waitasec:
Crap, went to copy and paste and it's on work computer I guess...will look tomorrow, it was from a coroner, about a doe that does NOT match :)

[MagicRose99]

Christine, I know when my Dad had problems with the City of Oakland (regarding a ticket he did NOT get! - and we live in Sacto) He went to Rep. Robert Matsui who took care of the matter with the officials in Oakland. Rep. Matsui has since passed on, but his wife now has his old job. She is committed to helping the people as her husband did... you may want to try to contact her office and see if she can help. I'm sorry... I don't remember her name... I think it's Doris? Rep. Doris Matsui?

[Shadow205]

I just thought of something that I don't think that we have considered before. How many other kids were sent to Synanon by the Judicial system in Flint,MI or from all of MI for that matter? Were they sent there from other states also? Just how many court systems used Synanon as a resource for dealing with juveniles? How many other kids never returned? Was Rose the only one? I don't have the answers to these questions but I think that it is something that we need to try and look in to. Maybe an add in the paper in Flint, MI looking for people who were sent there as juveniles to start? What do you think?

[itsreenw]

Itsreenw,

I was just reading back over the info that you posted about the will. I noticed this:

1 IPT
JOSEPH BORICH ATTORNEY: BREWER
6511 MAPLEBROOK BLDG 16
FLINT MI 48507

2 IPT AOT 10/11/1995 10/11/1995 CIP 4/18/1996 CIC 5/20/1996
BORICH,JOSEPH,ATTORNEY: BREWER
39155 DOVETREE DRIVE
MURRIETA CA 92563


Whose address is that?


Sorry it all ran together.
It should read like this:

Borich, Joseph .................................................A ttorney: Brewer
39155 Dovetree Drive
Murrieta Ca 92563

I think the Flint address may be the attorney's address. He'd want a local atty to handle the case for him. Isabela, do you know how long Borich has lived in CA. Rose may have contacted her uncle while she was on the run in CA.

[itsreenw]

BORICH, JOSEPH A (http://www.people-finders.ws/order.asp?1=JOSEPH;;A;;BORICH;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;434 961584&2=name&3=people&4=31&5=joseph;;;;borich;;;;;;;;;;)
Associated names:
BORICH, JOSEPH M
49 AvailableAvailableASHLAND, OR
FLINT, MI
MURRIETA, CA
SUN CITY, CA
TEMECULA, CA
SUNNYMEAD, CA
SALOME, AZ
HEMET, CA
FORT MOHAVE, AZ
DAVISON, MIBORICH, ERMA L (age 69) (http://www.people-finders.ws/order.asp?1=ERMA;;L;;BORICH;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;17281 6329&2=name&3=people&4=1&5=joseph;;;;borich;;;;;;;;;;)
BORICH, ERMA (http://www.people-finders.ws/order.asp?1=ERMA;; ;;BORICH;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;183013528&2=name&3=people&4=1&5=joseph;;;;borich;;;;;;;;;;)
BORICH, ERMA (http://www.people-finders.ws/order.asp?1=ERMA;; ;;BORICH;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;172808341&2=name&3=people&4=1&5=joseph;;;;borich;;;;;;;;;;)
BORICH, ERMA L (age 69) (http://www.people-finders.ws/order.asp?1=ERMA;;L;;BORICH;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;80803 4234&2=name&3=people&4=1&5=joseph;;;;borich;;;;;;;;;;)
BORICH, J (http://www.people-finders.ws/order.asp?1=J;; ;;BORICH;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;1054882676&2=name&3=people&4=1&5=joseph;;;;borich;;;;;;;;;;)
BORICH, E (http://www.people-finders.ws/order.asp?1=E;; ;;BORICH;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;1088177656&2=name&3=people&4=1&5=joseph;;;;borich;;;;;;;;;;)

This is him. Whoever is going to call him, PM me so I can get a phone # to you.

[hoping4truth]

any news

[IsabelaPR]

any news
No news! Michigan PD have not call me back as they promised. How surprising!!! I have to follow up, I know! But I am running out of hours in a day! It sucks coming back to work after a week off, am still trying to caught up on e-mails not to mention daily tasks!

But it will get done before Friday!

Keep you posted!

Isa

[hoping4truth]

Thanks Isabela. I didn't want this to get lost :D

[itsreenw]

Isa, I PM'd Shadow the # for Joseph Borack. Just waiting for your ok to call.

[hoping4truth]

Pugsley posted this on another thread back in 2004.

http://members.tripod.com/~nfishel/page3.html

For some reason, as I was reading it, I thought of Rose. Probably because this group reminds me of synanon. I don't know. Thought it was interesting - hope it hasn't been posted before.

[itsreenw]

H4T, I had never seen that site or heard of that group. Thanks for sharing. I wonder if there is a way to get sites like that linked to the Doe Network & other MP sites.

Surely there are family members looking for the people in those pics.

[IsabelaPR]

Isa, I PM'd Shadow the # for Joseph Borack. Just waiting for your ok to call.

Go for it!!!! :clap:

[Shadow205]

I just spoke with Uncle Joseph who was no help at all. He said that he had not seen Rose since she was a baby. He said that Jesse Joseph never spoke of her in the years between when she disappeared and when he died. Uncle Joseph said that the only thing that he ever told him was that Rose ran away and just vanished. He said that he knew nothing of her being sent to Synanon and was under the impression that she ran away from home and vanished. He said that Jesse Joseph was always very reluctant to talk about his kids. He also mentioned that he had not talked to his brother for years before he died.

[itsreenw]

Thanks Shadow. So does Uncle Joseph live in CA or MI? Did he say where he lived back then? That is really odd that he was the beneficiary if they hadn't talked for years prior to JJ's death. Isa, who contacted him about the death, do you know? There is no easy way to say this, but have Rose's brothers ever suspected their dad had anything to do with Rose not coming home?

I am sorry if I offend anyone but I find their father's actions peculiar and somewhat suspicious. I can understand the father being embarrassed by Rose's drug problem and not mentioning that she was in a drug treatment program.

HOWEVER, when she went missing, there is no way he simply forgot to mention the fact that Rose was 3000 miles away and had sent letters begging to come home. No way would a father NOT have leaped over mountains to get his daughter home no matter what disciplinary problems she had prior to Syn. He never contacted the police to our knowledge. No MP reports filed. He intercepted Rose's letters to her brothers, which to me indicates he wanted them to feel that she abandoned them. She begs for forgiveness and another chance to come home. She says she is on the run, homeless and in need of medical care and she says she is hiding from Syn members but he finds no cause for alarm? He still believe she simply ran away? I believe there are some family secrets that have not been mentioned. I dont want to pry but if we are going to search for Rose we need ALL the info that might be pertinent to the case.

I think we need to ask the questions that nobody wants to ask.

[Shadow205]

I didn't ask Uncle Joseph how long he had been living in CA however I did mention that we thought maybe since he was there that Rose might have contacted him. I assume that he was there at the time that Rose was in Synanon. The conversation was rather strained to be honest with you. He seemed very uncomfortable with me asking questions about the family. I thought that the statement about Jesse Joseph being "reluctant" to talk about his kids was rather odd too.
I have mentioned it before but I'll bring it up again. We really need to know if Rose made it back to MI for that court hearing. If she did then something happened to her in MI. The whole family had moved away by that time. Her Father, Jesse Joseph was the only one left there.
I still think that it would be helpfull to find out how many other kids were sent to Synanon by the judicial system in MI too. Did they all make it back home? Would an add in the paper looking for anyone who was sent there be helpful? When the reporter seemed interested in doing a story on Rose, I was hoping that it would stirr up someone else who might have been sent there also. Maybe I'll try and contact here again but she seemed to loose interest when she found out that there was no family living in Flint.

[Bluecat]

I found a possible link to another place she could have been sucked into

http://www.rickross.com/reference/herbalife/herbalife9.html

It appears that there was an offshoot called CEDU, that supposedly was not confrontational. Mark Hughes, founder of Herbalife, attended it.

If Rose stayed in California, I wonder if it is possible that she got sucked into CEDU?

Some more info on Synanon:
http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/synanon.html

I wonder if Deborah Swisher knows anything about Rose?
http://www.rickross.com/reference/synanon/synanon4.html

[itsreenw]

As much as I hate to even bring this up, if Jesse Joseph lived there alone, I think it may be a good idea to go over the layout of the house to see if Rose may have been buried there. My apologies to the Cole family but we can leave no stone unturned. .

[christine2448]

Hiya everyone :)


I would like to put a page about Rose on the new Wiki site for the missing....Wiki is one of my absolute favorite sites (you know, wiki encyclopedia) and they are now working on this new 'section'...devoted to a database for the missing.

If it's OK with everyone...I will start putting it together...unless someone else wants to volunteer to tackle it.

Let me know....(I am working on several)

http://72.41.66.103/index.php/Main_Page

[itsreenw]

Hiya everyone :)


I would like to put a page about Rose on the new Wiki site for the missing....Wiki is one of my absolute favorite sites (you know, wiki encyclopedia) and they are now working on this new 'section'...devoted to a database for the missing.

If it's OK with everyone...I will start putting it together...unless someone else wants to volunteer to tackle it.

Let me know....(I am working on several)

http://72.41.66.103/index.php/Main_PageGreat idea!! I like wiki too. If it's ok with Isa and the family, I will be glad to help if you need it.

[hoping4truth]

How's the wiki page coming?

[christine2448]

I am hoping to give it my full attention this weekend...I am working on a few other cases at the same time to put up on the site. I'd like to get it done with hopes that maybe it could maybe reach someone that wouldn't otherwise see Rose's story/pictures.

Thanks for asking :)

[christine2448]

Great idea!! I like wiki too. If it's ok with Isa and the family, I will be glad to help if you need it.Thanks itsreenw...I may PM you for help in gathering some info, mostly links if your offer still stands. I am hoping to give my wiki projects some good attention this weekend and will have a better idea of what I may need assistance with...right now seems like the most time consuming thing is going to be gathering a list of links about Rose.....I'll let you know over the weekend.

Thanks!

Oh dang....I don't even remember if I asked ISA's permission....Isabella????

I have talked to so many people the last couple of weeks about the wiki site and have lost track of who I spoke to. Let me go and double check my PM's.

EDIT AFTER CHECKING PM'S....I can't find where ISA and I discussed this, I just PM'd h er asking for permission ;) I'm such a scatter brain sometimes!!!!

[itsreenw]

Christine, while we are waiting for Isa's ok I will start gathering a list of links related to Rose like her blog site, her WS forum, I added her to a name data base for people that attended school in Flint, too. I'll get the link to Synanon, etc...things that I know you will add on Wiki. I'll email what I come up with.

[HeartofTexas]

Let me know if you need any additional help, Reen and Christine. While I can't speak for Isabela, and definitely want her to give her approval, I feel certain she will be very pleased to have any information out there that may ultimately lead to locating Rose. Thanks to both of you for your great ideas.

[Shadow205]

Hiya everyone :)


I would like to put a page about Rose on the new Wiki site for the missing....Wiki is one of my absolute favorite sites (you know, wiki encyclopedia) and they are now working on this new 'section'...devoted to a database for the missing.

If it's OK with everyone...I will start putting it together...unless someone else wants to volunteer to tackle it.

Let me know....(I am working on several)

http://72.41.66.103/index.php/Main_Page
Hey Christine,

I thought that Isabel already had Rose listed there but I checked and didn't find her. Hmmmm,what site did she list her at? Anyone remember? I remember that I sent her the link but I don't remember what site it was.

[christine2448]

I just realized this site is Wiki Missing Abducted....I wonder if it would still be OK to post her on there?

I had intentions of doing everything this weekend, but the site is not working correctly :(

[SpongeBathHotPants]

This thread caught my eye because my married name is Cole and my husband's family is from Flint MI. I asked my MIL if she knew any of these people and she said no but that there was another Cole family that lived near by in the 70's and the family was mean and rude, the father was the worst. A drunk I guess. I don't know if this is anything but I figured I would throw it out there.


Isa, ask your husband if he knows of the Coles that lived in MI in the 70's, Travis or Glady.

[christine2448]

This thread caught my eye because my married name is Cole and my husband's family is from Flint MI. I asked my MIL if she knew any of these people and she said no but that there was another Cole family that lived near by in the 70's and the family was mean and rude, the father was the worst. A drunk I guess. I don't know if this is anything but I figured I would throw it out there.


Isa, ask your husband if he knows of the Coles that lived in MI in the 70's, Travis or Glady.


Hiya SpongeBathHotPants......WOW, small world!

[SpongeBathHotPants]

Yeah, I agree. The reason they met was because my husband's great uncle went missing in the 40's and they never found him so one day my MIL was driving down the road and a man rear ended her and said his name was Kenneth Cole (the uncle and my husband's name and no it isn't the designer) and she asked if he was her missing uncle in law and he make a rude comment so she gave my FIL the info and he and a cop buddy went to check them out and that is how they found out about how mean and rude they were.


So hey, if anyone finds a Kenneth Cole that went missing in the 40's from MI let me know. There is a $100.00 reward. LOL

[IsabelaPR]

I am so behind on reading e-mails is unbelievable. As many of you know, I took a week off to go to Michigan. It has been almost 3 weeks and I am behind on everything, work, Rose, my last contract administration class! Ugh!!!

Regarding Rose, HURRRRRAAAAYYYYY!!!! I received a call yesterday from NCMC regarding DNA. The lady who call me is contacting Madison police department. Her plan is to send the DNA kit to them and have them contact us for a cheek swap. I warned her about my beloved supporters her in Madcity ;) I already told her of the back up plan. If they give her any trouble I have my sister's friend husband, a cop from a city nearby willing to help out. She said that she will call me to let me know if Madison is going to do it or if we need to go with plan B.

I am so very excited! She also said that once DNA is collected it will take about 2 months to get results. In addition they do both DNA test, father and mother side.

Thank you so much for all your help and support!!!! Isabela
:woohoo: :woohoo:

[IsabelaPR]

DNA test is scheduled for tomorrow at 10:00 AM Central time!!! We are so much closer! A bit scary. . .mixed feelings. . .No hits, we are back on square one. A hit. . .Agh!! :o

We will not know for a while. . .Isa

[HeartofTexas]

Thanks for letting us know, Isabela! And congratulations... it's been a long time coming. Let us know when you hear something.

[Shadow205]

Someone refresh my memory please. Is the DNA going to be tested against the California Jane Doe that doacop was working with us on?

[IsabelaPR]

The DNA test has been handled by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. They contacted Madison directly.

Jesse went to the police station today, here in Madison. The same station were I have been harassing a few cops about Rose's missing persons report and DNA test. Jesse was running late so the officer called me looking for him. This is the first time I talked to this guy. He was very nice!

NCMEC, wanted me to send them the envelope I had from one of Rose's letters to see if they can extract any DNA from it. I sent the envelope with Jesse and I burned a couple of CD with Rose's letters, legal documents, pictures, forum link, etc, to be sent with the envelope.

When talking to the officer, he said this was the first time he had heard of Rose. I gave him Rose's Madison case number and "lightly" mentioned my harassment to his co-workers :)

He asked me about Rose, and I explained as much as I could in the short amount of time we had to talk. (Jesse was almost there). I asked him to keep a copy of the CD and warned him that once he started to read her letters, he will be one of us. He laughed and said that he understood.

And to think, I was about to give up on Madison PD!

His DNA will go into the same database that COP Marin County wanted. Once is there it will look at all Jane Does around the country that have DNA on file, including California Jane Doe(doacop)

ISA

[Shadow205]

That is great news Isabela. Are you still in contact with doacop? There is something that was mentioned by I think Heartoftexas awhile back that he might be able to help with. In Roses last letter, she mentioned that she was very sick from a kidney infection. Maybe doacop could check hospital records in the Chinatown area around that date. It's a long shot, if she went to a hospital, she might not have used her name. It would be worth looking into if there is any way possible to do it.

[christine2448]

His DNA will go into the same database that COP Marin County wanted. Once is there it will look at all Jane Does around the country that have DNA on file, including California Jane Doe(doacop)

ISAAs much as we all are excited for the progress, at the same time, my heart aches....I do not want to find her this way! :snooty: I DO NOT want her to be a Jane Doe found on a database by DNA! :snooty:

I want to find her ALIVE. So we can show her how much she IS loved. :dance:

[christine2448]

That is great news Isabela. Are you still in contact with doacop? There is something that was mentioned by I think Heartoftexas awhile back that he might be able to help with. In Roses last letter, she mentioned that she was very sick from a kidney infection. Maybe doacop could check hospital records in the Chinatown area around that date. It's a long shot, if she went to a hospital, she might not have used her name. It would be worth looking into if there is any way possible to do it.
Where exactly is Chinatown? What is the date of the letter? I just found a huge database on hospitals and clinics in CA, but don't know where Chinatown is. I will write everyone of them if needed, sending her pics and dates and condition...maybe someone will help us.


I have given up on the 'mapping' her possible route....just too complicated, and after thinking I don't think it will help in finding her.

[HeartofTexas]

Chinatown is near downtown SF. It's just a few blocks away. I researched clinic databases a few mos. ago and wrote to one of them but, like everything else, nobody answered me.

[christine2448]

Chinatown is near downtown SF. It's just a few blocks away. I researched clinic databases a few mos. ago and wrote to one of them but, like everything else, nobody answered me.
Yeah, I know, I get a lot of none responses too.

I spent the last couple of hours at work today hitting the newspapers again, this time though I went with different reporters, asking if they are interested in running a story on her...nothing last time...we'll see.

BTW, what are the best areas to concentrate, Oakland? Those are the papers I am hitting, or SanFran?

Maybe I am targeting the wrong area....there is so much info on here I can't keep up..someone tell me what cities to hit for media/newspapers...I only sent a few today, so if it was wrong areas, it's OK.

[HeartofTexas]

I said earlier that it was near downtown, but I think the more correct way to refer to that area is the Financial District. The FD runs along California Street (and around some other blocks) and Chinatown is near Grant and Stockton (just in case you have a map of the area that you're looking at). From the Bank of America Headquarters Bldg., it was just about a 2 block walk to Chinatown.

[HeartofTexas]

Christine, I would concentrate on SF rather than Oakland. She mentioned SF in her last letter home and also mentioned Chinatown... so apparently she left Oakland (which is just across the bridge from SF) and headed to SF anywhere from Dec. to February. I think she was in Chinatown when she wrote about the kidney infection.

[christine2448]

Christine, I would concentrate on SF rather than Oakland. She mentioned SF in her last letter home and also mentioned Chinatown... so apparently she left Oakland (which is just across the bridge from SF) and headed to SF anywhere from Dec. to February. I think she was in Chinatown when she wrote about the kidney infection.
Thanks HOT...I knew you'd tell me where to 'go'.

Listen ya'll, besides the time I have been sneaking at work to do stuff on some of the missing cases, I am really bogged down right now with Homeschooling.

Can everyone #1 forgive me for not working on Rose's page for the Wiki Site and :loser: 2nd, can someone take this on. It wouldn't be hard for someone that knows Rose's story, they give a template and everything to follow, very straightforward.

And last, I had asked in an earlier post, can we put her on there, it is called Wiki ABDUCTED/MISSING?

I'm sorry ya'll about not having the time to spend on here right now....what the heck was I thinking to homeschool! Please pray for me!

[HeartofTexas]

Christine, of course we understand! I read your homeschooling schedule (and work schedule, and hubby's schedule, etc.) on another thread... and I totally understand. Your evenings are going to be like a bullet train going thru the house!

I can write Rose's story if someone else can do the webpage. I am TOTALLY challenged in that area, so don't even want to pretend to be able to take it on.

And again, I FEEL ISABELA WOULD TOTALLY AGREE TO US PUTTING ROSE ON THE WIKI ABDUCTED/MISSING website if she would just see this note (which is why it's in all caps, so she might see it!).

[christine2448]

Christine, of course we understand! I read your homeschooling schedule (and work schedule, and hubby's schedule, etc.) on another thread... and I totally understand. Your evenings are going to be like a bullet train going thru the house!

I can write Rose's story if someone else can do the webpage. I am TOTALLY challenged in that area, so don't even want to pretend to be able to take it on.

And again, I FEEL ISABELA WOULD TOTALLY AGREE TO US PUTTING ROSE ON THE WIKI ABDUCTED/MISSING website if she would just see this note (which is why it's in all caps, so she might see it!).
Getting ready to crash, but wanted to check in..Isabela said it was fine, my worry was just it is a site for abducted, so would this story be acceptable?

And thanks HOT, for your understanding in my busy schedule right now. http://smilies.sofrayt.com/fsc/smile3.gif

If your willing to do it, I'll PM you, you will be amazed at how easy it is, like typing an email!.... we can 'talk' about it. PM me if you want me to explain it and we can get this started. And actually, if you are worried about the posting on the page, I can do all that, I just need the info...ugh, I am soooooooo tired right now, LOL....I'll PM you tomorrow.

Thanks again! http://smilies.sofrayt.com/^/aiw/yes2.gif

[smile22]

it just dawned on me she said in her last letter she had a kidney infection she would have had to recive medical attention in order for her to know about the infection i think we need to look into hospital records or walk in clinics in that area

[christine2448]

it just dawned on me she said in her last letter she had a kidney infection she would have had to recive medical attention in order for her to know about the infection i think we need to look into hospital records or walk in clinics in that area
That's what I am working on now smile, gmta!

[HeartofTexas]

Christine, I forgot that was the main issue... that Rose probably wasn't abducted. Is there a category on Wiki called Vanished??? Or just Missing?

[christine2448]

Christine, I forgot that was the main issue... that Rose probably wasn't abducted. Is there a category on Wiki called Vanished??? Or just Missing?I am not sure, will have to research, the only page I was aware of was called "Wiki-Abucted Missing"...I believe.

[Shadow205]

Isabela,

Do not feel like you failed. You opened the door and got people's attention. People there now know about Rose and something could come out of that. I found contact information for Governor Jennifer M. Granholm. Here it is:




Governor Jennifer M. Granholm



P.O. Box 30013
Lansing, Michigan 48909









PHONE: (517) 373-3400
PHONE: (517) 335-7858 - Constituent Services
FAX:(517) 335-6863

On her website http://www.michigan.gov/gov/0,1607,7-168-21995---,00.html I found this:

Citizen Assistance (http://www.michigan.gov/gov/0,1607,7-168-35316---,00.html)
State Agency Support - The Governor is committed to assisting anyone who has encountered difficulty reaching a resolution with a state governed agency, or anyone who is unsure of whom to contact to address a particular concern. If you are having a problem that you would like assistance with, please use this form.

Here is the link for the form: https://www.mich.gov/gov/0,1607,7-168-35316-65315--SS,00.html


I think that it would be a good idea to send in that form. Explain to the Governor that you went to Flint, MI and feel that you got the runaround while trying to get Rose listed as a missing person. Stress the fact that Rose was a juvenile sent there by the judicial system. Ask for her assistance. I think that it is time for you to go up the ladder.




Isabela,

Did you ever get a reply from the Governors office? If not send it again or call. Also did you ever get a missing person report done with a case number?

[Shadow205]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37727&page=1&pp=25&highlight=Rose+Cole


I have been going back through the old thread today. I am trying to see if there is something that we were going to do that got overlooked.

[christine2448]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37727&page=1&pp=25&highlight=Rose+Cole


I have been going back through the old thread today. I am trying to see if there is something that we were going to do that got overlooked.
GMTA! Over the weekend I printed it out, the whole thing!!!! It was ALOT of paper. (Luckily I get free paper from work, it is just used on one side so I take it home and use the other side ;) )


Anyhow, I haven't had time to read it.....I skimmed it and that is what made me mention recently in a post I had given up onthe 'mapping' that was something I was working on in the older thread.

I think it's a great idea Shadow, we are all looking at so many different missing cases, our regular lives, work, kids, hubby's, yada yada, I forget so much too now that I am getting so old (I turned 36 this month)...actually, age has nothing to do with my forgetfullness, LOL! It is because of a bad wreck I had. So, please, let us know if we moved on from something and forgot about it!

[Shadow205]

I found a Rose Cole today who works at Kaiser Permanente which is a medical facility/hospital in the San Francisco Bay area. I am searching their site to see if I can find a number for human resources to see if she is still employed there.

LOL, I had to register at this on line employment place where I found her listed in order to find out where she works. I had to do like a resume and what type of work I am interested in. I really hope that I don't get a job offer. I kinda like retirement! I have registered at some weird sites in searching but never an employment agency.

[HeartofTexas]

I really hope that I don't get a job offer.
LOL! Not to even mention what a lonnnng commute it would be from W Va. to San Francisco!

Thanks for your brave efforts, Shadow, in going to the trouble of registering on an employment site.

[IsabelaPR]

[QUOTE=Shadow205]I found a Rose Cole today who works at Kaiser Permanente which is a medical facility/hospital in the San Francisco Bay area. I am searching their site to see if I can find a number for human resources to see if she is still employed there.]

My previous employer has business there! I have very close friends that visit Kaiser Permanente facilities when they do training. Which facility is this one? I may have a good shot at this lead. . .

[HeartofTexas]

Isabela, did you see the question above re whether or not you've ever gotten a case number assigned to Rose's case?

Also, if you do have a case number, is it okay for us to post re Rose being missing on a Wiki Abducted/Missing site? We need your approval and we need the case number.

Hope all is well in your little part of the world!

[IsabelaPR]

Isabela, did you see the question above re whether or not you've ever gotten a case number assigned to Rose's case?

The only case number I have is the one from Madison. The real case number, to be used by NCMEC is the one from Oakland. I don't have that one; NCMEC filed the report themselves. . .

Do you want the Madison one? (check your PM)

[Shadow205]

[QUOTE=Shadow205]I found a Rose Cole today who works at Kaiser Permanente which is a medical facility/hospital in the San Francisco Bay area. I am searching their site to see if I can find a number for human resources to see if she is still employed there.]

My previous employer has business there! I have very close friends that visit Kaiser Permanente facilities when they do training. Which facility is this one? I may have a good shot at this lead. . .
Isabela,

This is what I found:

Rose Cole

Float Clerk at Kaiser Permanente

San Francisco Bay Area (http://www.linkedin.com/search?search=&sortCriteria=3&countryCode=us&postalCode=94112&searchLocationType=I&goback=%2Enrp_1_1154739549787) | Hospital & Health Care (http://www.linkedin.com/search?search=&sortCriteria=3&industry=14&goback=%2Enrp_1_1154739549787)

[Dr. Doogie]

The Rose Cole with Kaiser is definitely worth following up on, but as a caution before anyone gets too optimistic: a zabasearch shows that there is a Rose M. Cole who would be too old to our Rose living in San Leandro (which would be within commuting distance to both Oakland and San Francisco).

[Shadow205]

Doogie,

Is San Leandro close to Carmel,CA. I found a Rose Cole there to. Here is the link to her http://www.cvgms.org/members/Cole,Rose.htm

[Dr. Doogie]

Doogie,

Is San Leandro close to Carmel,CA. I found a Rose Cole there to. Here is the link to her http://www.cvgms.org/members/Cole,Rose.htm
San Leandro is in the East Bay area, just south of Oakland, and is on the BART line for an easy commute to most Bay Area locations. Carmel is about two-to-three hours away and would be a very long daily commute to SF.

[christine2448]

Whatda ya think of this?


ooooLos Angeles Chapter
ooooNational Alliance of Market Developers, Inc.
ooooc/o Gale Harris & Associates
oooo10736 Jefferson Blvd. #273
ooooCulver City, CA 90230
ooooBusiness: 323-296-3681
ooooFAX: 323-296-3687
ooooEmail: galeharrispr@yahoo.com

Current Officers:
Lena Cole Dennis, Vice President
Frances Williams, Secretary
Aubrey Provost, Treasurer

[christine2448]

And this appears to be the same person:


Co-Coordinator: Lena Cole-Dennis, Director of Outreach & Community Education
Telephone: 323-299-9496, ext. 108
E-mail: coledennis@hotmail.com (coledennis@hotmail.com)

[Dr. Doogie]

Is Lena a name that is used for both males and females (like Jan or Pat)? Dennis is usually (always?) a male name, as compared to the feminized version Denise.

[HeartofTexas]

Doogie, I'm guessing Lena is used mostly as a girl's name (as in Lena Horne). Rose's full name was Rose Lena Cole. However, according to Isabela, she very much disliked the name Lena. I'm sure that could have changed over time but it's doubtful that she would have dropped the one name she was happy with (Rose).

[MagicRose99]

Also, I'm guessing the Dennis is the last (married?) name of this person... Cole-Dennis

[HeartofTexas]

I agree, MagicRose. However, if her maiden name was Lena Cole, we shouldn't rule her out until it's checked further.

[HeartofTexas]

From what I could find, this Lena Cole (Dennis) is 60 years old and her middle name is Lee (as in Lena Lee Dennis).

[christine2448]

From what I could find, this Lena Cole (Dennis) is 60 years old and her middle name is Lee (as in Lena Lee Dennis).
Thanks HOT. Movin' on ;)

[Dr. Doogie]

Oops! I misread the name as Dennis as the first name. Sorry for the confusion!

[Shadow205]

I was reading back over Isabela's blog and here are some things that she listed that she needed to do. If they have not been done, then they need to be.

1. get Rose's social security number by requesting the school records from Emerson

2.contact www.missingadults.org This organization located in Phoenix, Arizona works with them, other local agencies and the FBI.

While reading at Isabela's blog I also noticed this:

SHE COULD BE LIVING IN CALIFORNIA, NEVADA OR MICHIGAN WHERE SHE GREW UP.

Can someone refresh my memory on Nevada? I don't remember Nevada ever being mentioned and I'm pretty sure that we have not concentrated on Nevada in our search efforts for Rose.
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-6INKmI0oeqhPu8rlW9Hr0_5vBruoTei_3SWmS0TuDruGwQ--?cq=1&l=16&u=19&mx=19&lmt=5

[Shadow205]

I found this if anyone wants to work with the names:

COLE LENA ROSE ELIZABETH / RUKES SHAWN M

It is a Nevada marriage lic. That's all that you get for free, no dates or anything. I know this Rose aslo has Elizabeth for a middle name but hey, worth looking at anyway.

[HeartofTexas]

Shadow, it appears Lena Rose Rukes Cole is 36 years old, and apparently is Shawn's sister. His wife's name is Wendy, and she's 30 years old. Shawn is 33. Due to the age problem, I doubt this is our Rose.

[Shadow205]

Well at least we are eliminating all of the other Rose Cole's out there one by one.:innocent:

[gardenmom]

Anything new?

[Shadow205]

Anything new?
Glad to see you back, hadn't seen you post here for awhile. There are some things happening with a DNA test on Rose's brother and I think that Isabella is making progress on getting Rose listed as a missing person. She is finally getting some help from LE.

[gardenmom]

Hi! I am still around. I'd been gone for awhile, for a move, as you may remember. I just keep looking here to see if any DNA match had come in.

[mysteriew]

Has anyone come across any association with or influence by the Children of God, Family of Love, The Family or Family International with Synanon?

Mostly likely time period would be around the time of the group marriages.

[IsabelaPR]

Hello! No news to report at my end. Except that through some research on Jesse's family tree I got in contact with relatives of Jesse's mother, Willie Mae. They have a private page on MyFamily.com, where I now belong and was able to post Rose's pictures and the Forum information.

One of the contacts registered here and mentioned that some relatives live(d) in CA area.

Any how, more people exposed to Rose's story.

Isa

[EdAlice]

Hi, I'm the Puckett contact that Isabel was referring to in her last post. Two of Rose’s uncles (Willie Mae’s brothers) were in California in 1961. Gordon Puckett of Camp Pendelton and Rufus Puckett, U.S. Navy, San Diego. I do not know if they stayed in California or not.



Their father, Pose Poem Puckett, died in 1961 and I’ve included his obituary here in case a name or place stands out to any of you.


Obituaries: Pose P. Puckett, Sabine Parish P-230

Source: Sabine Index, Many, La., May 12, 1961

The Sabine Index - Pose P. Puckett

12 May 1961 - Funeral services for Pose P. Puckett age 52, who died May 4th were conducted at Fisher Baptist Church at 2 p.m. May 7th with Rev. Oliver and Rev. Jack Comer officiating. Interment was in church cemetery under the direction of Warren Funeral Home. Surviving relatives are Mrs. Irene Puckett of Florien, sons, Gordon of Camp Pendelton, Calif., Rufus, U.S. Navy, San Diego, Calif., 2 daughters, Mrs. Estelle Roach and Mrs. Willie Mae Cole both of Mermentau, La.; 9 grandchildren, one brother, Roland Puckett of Sulphur, 6 sisters Mrs. Julia Maxie, Mrs. Velma McComic and Mrs. Maylene Eason all of Fisher, Mrs. Wilda Huff, Mrs. Roxie McFetridge and Mrs. Lurine Toups all of Deweyville, Texas.



There are other Puckett relatives that moved from Oklahoma to California, too. They would have been Pose’s 1st cousins:

Siblings Leaman Puckett was in Fairfield, California when he died;

Richard A. Puckett was listed as living in Los Angeles in his father’s obituary in September 1941;

and Inez Puckett Allen listed as living in Fairfield in September 1941 and died in Vallejo, California.

Siblings Iona Puckett Cassel living in San Jose, California at time of death had children, Travis and Charlotte Cassel;

and Era Puckett, unmarried, living in Emeryville, California, at time of

death on September 14, 1971.



Maybe some of the children of these cousins would have information we could use, but at this moment I don’t have any of their names (other than Iona’s children, Travis and Charlotte Cassel.)

:o By the way, I'm VERY impressed with you guys! What a calling. God bless you all.

[EdAlice]

By the way, I meant to ask someone how to change my log in name. I found out how to edit my password but can't seem to take my "real" name off. I thought I'd replace it with EdAlice but have had no luck.

[HeartofTexas]

Judy, I don't know how to change your log-in name, but if you will PM one of the moderators, they can tell you if it's even possible. It may require getting a whole new log-in name and then just not using the Shubert one. Jeana (DP) (http://websleuths.com/forums/member.php?u=365) is the moderator for this forum. Click on her name and you should have an option of "PM'ing" her.

BTW, welcome to the forum. And thanks for the info re the family tree. At least I now know where Rose's brother, Pose Poem, got his name!

[gardenmom]

http://doenetwork.us/cases/131ufca.html

Any chance this could be Rose? Apparently the boy and girl have been tested for DNA and are not related. A long shot, but we haven't had any new leads lately, let's give this some thought.

[IsabelaPR]

Hey! I am still at work! I think that Joseph and Jesse were around the same age. Have to check the family tree when I get home.

However, I thought we had already dealt with Joe. Shadow, didn't you call him already? I have to take a look at my e-mails but I could swear someone called him pretending to be a PI looking for Rose.

All I can remember is that he said that Jesse never mentioned Rose to him. . .something like that. . .Does anyone remembers having this conversation with me thru e-mail or instant messaging?

[IsabelaPR]

Judy, I don't know how to change your log-in name, but if you will PM one of the moderators, they can tell you if it's even possible. It may require getting a whole new log-in name and then just not using the Shubert one. Jeana (DP) (http://websleuths.com/forums/member.php?u=365) is the moderator for this forum. Click on her name and you should have an option of "PM'ing" her.

BTW, welcome to the forum. And thanks for the info re the family tree. At least I now know where Rose's brother, Pose Poem, got his name!

HOT, Pose is going to come after you! Keep up making fun of his name :laugh: If he finds you, please send him my way :)

Am getting out of here, have to stop at the supermarket. . .talk to you guys later. ISA

[Shadow205]

Hey! I am still at work! I think that Joseph and Jesse were around the same age. Have to check the family tree when I get home.

However, I thought we had already dealt with Joe. Shadow, didn't you call him already? I have to take a look at my e-mails but I could swear someone called him pretending to be a PI looking for Rose.

All I can remember is that he said that Jesse never mentioned Rose to him. . .something like that. . .Does anyone remembers having this conversation with me thru e-mail or instant messaging?
Yep, that was me that had the strange conversation with Unle Joe.:innocent:

[MagicRose99]

No updates?

[gardenmom]

Hi magicrose, I have been wondering too. I guess no news is good news. If there haven't been any hits on the DNA database, that could mean Rose is still alive.

[itsreenw]

Hi Guys, haven't been here in awhile but I am back. What a small world this is.. The family lived in Fairfield and Vallejo, my stomping grounds of all places. Guess I could check into county records. Doubt there would be much relating to Rose but what the heck. I'll post what I find.

[Shadow205]

Just looking for an update. IsabelaaPR has not signed on at WS's since 09/25. That is a long time to go without checking in. Geez, what if we had found Rose....I wish.

I wonder if she is still in touch with doacop? I've still never been totally convinced that the Jane Doe that he was working on is not Rose. According to Brenda, the dental records that were compared were not Rose's but another one of the sister's. Sorry, to early to look back and see whose. I'm sure everyone remembers that anyway.

[HeartofTexas]

Shadow, the name of the sister that had the dental work was Norma.

The last I heard from Isabella, she was still in touch with DOACop, but there were no new updates to report.

[Shadow205]

Shadow, the name of the sister that had the dental work was Norma.

The last I heard from Isabella, she was still in touch with DOACop, but there were no new updates to report.Yep, Norma, that's the one. Thanks HoT! d.o.a.cop has not signed in here at WS's since 08/15. I was hoping that he would stick around, we sure could use his advice from time to time on here. He is a wealth of information.

I want to continue to search for Rose but don't know of anything to do. Can anyone think of any stone that we have not turned over? Any ideas of a direction to go in?

[HeartofTexas]

No, I wish I could. I was just reviewing some old emails from months ago where I sent specific agencies in California questions re Rose, and not one single person or agency ever responded. It's hard to follow-up on things when nobody answers your questions.

I, too, wish DOACop had continued to post here at WS. I also imagine his schedule is incredibly busy and that he has little free time. I wish that weren't the case.

[HeartofTexas]

UPDATE:

As per an email I received from Isabela late last night, Jesse's DNA was added to the CODIS database on October 6, 2006, has now been added to the TEXAS DNA database and, possibly today, will enter the national DNA database where it will be compared with all current DNA and any new DNA entered from this point forward. I tried to post a paragraph from NCMEC's email to Isabela, but after 4 tries, I still can't get it to post properly... so I'm giving up!

[d.o.a. cop]

Hello all,

I understand from Yanette that DNA is all but done. She did a hell of job making all that happen. I have looked in on the blog from time to time - your all quite persistant! I'll keep my prayers with the Cole family.

I have been quite busy - I will be teaching a CA POST statewide course to officers down in the Orange County Coroner Training Facilty next month - it will entail the ins and outs of identifying John and Jane Doe(s), how to locate next-of-kin & how to notify loved ones of a death.

I have also been working on my cousin's dissapearance - I, much like Yannette, have been tugging the ears of people across the country in an effort to get somene to dust off an old case and compare it to my cousin's. I have a pretty good lead in Florida and have been waiting, and waiting, and waiting for the investigator at the medical examiner's office to get back to me.

Good job everyone.

Darrell

[christine2448]

Hello all,

I understand from Yanette that DNA is all but done. She did a hell of job making all that happen. I have looked in on the blog from time to time - your all quite persistant! I'll keep my prayers with the Cole family.

I have been quite busy - I will be teaching a CA POST statewide course to officers down in the Orange County Coroner Training Facilty next month - it will entail the ins and outs of identifying John and Jane Doe(s), how to locate next-of-kin & how to notify loved ones of a death.

I have also been working on my cousin's dissapearance - I, much like Yannette, have been tugging the ears of people across the country in an effort to get somene to dust off an old case and compare it to my cousin's. I have a pretty good lead in Florida and have been waiting, and waiting, and waiting for the investigator at the medical examiner's office to get back to me.

Good job everyone.

Darrell
Your ears musta been ringing! Some of the posters were missing you and posting about you!

Very sorry to hear that your cousin is missing....Let us know if we can help with your missing loved one. I know the people on here would help out any way they could! There are also so many resources and contacts throughout these pages here to help/support.

[Dublin]

Hi magicrose, I have been wondering too. I guess no news is good news. If there haven't been any hits on the DNA database, that could mean Rose is still alive.
I'm new to websleuths and am not sure if I'm doing this post correct, but am so excited to have found this site.

My hope is that Rose is still alive and was wondering if there was any way to find out if any,certified copies of her birth certificate have been requested thoughout the years.

If she applied for a SS#, drivers license or any other form of identification wouldn't it be reasonable that she needed a copy of her birth certificate?

[tuitsweet]

This UID sure remined me of Rose....anyone else?

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/255ufok.html

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[christine2448]

This UID sure remined me of Rose....anyone else?

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/255ufok.html

tuitsweet
Very interesting.....

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Found on April 18, 1980, on a bank of the Canadian River near Jones, 20 miles NE of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma County, Oklahoma.
Cause of death was homicide. The victim was shot three times with a .45-caliber revolver.

Estimated age: 18 - 25 years old.
Approximate Height and Weight: 5'6"-5'7" (168-170 cm);120 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Light reddish/brown hair. Fair complexion with freckles on face and upper torso. Appendectomy scar. No fractures.
Clothing: None found.
Dental: Extensive dental work done, some teeth out of alignment.
Tattoos: Tattoo of small heart above left breast; heart and line in blue ink, center of heart colored with red ink.
Fingerprints: Available

[tuitsweet]

Since Rose was in the juvenile court's system, does anyone remember if any fingerprints were taken? Could they be matched up to this UID from Oklahoma? She really looks like a good match...perhaps a dna comparision is appropriate here?

ttfn
tuitsweet

[Shadow205]

http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a273/shadow205/th_7a07.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a273/shadow205/?action=view&current=7a07.jpg&refPage=20&imgAnch=imgAnch24)http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a273/shadow205/th_OklahomaDOE.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a273/shadow205/?action=view&current=OklahomaDOE.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1)http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a273/shadow205/th_3be5.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a273/shadow205/?action=view&current=3be5.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1)

I thought I would put these up together for everyone to compare.

[smile22]

Only thing i see wrong is the jane does nose looks to have a higher i guess arch or bone to it and roses nose looks more like the bone is slanted downward

[Dr. Doogie]

One thing to remember is that reconstructions of UID's and age-progressions of the missing are an art, not a science. It will give you an approximation, but rarely will a picture be a perfect match.

I would be interested in a study done where pictures of non-missing are given to forensic artists for age-progressions, then compare them to the actual aged person. In other words, a picture of me at age six is given to the artist along with what my family looked like at age 48, then compare the age-progression created to what I actually look like at 48.

[tuitsweet]

It appears to me, that the picture (a reconstructed image) has a 'blur' at the tip of her nose, or perhaps this 'specific' piece of her nose was not there ? Or it was 'smudged' when posted? Her mouth has the same shape, and her hairline/wave on the left appears very similar, I know I still have the same 'wave' I have had since a child, no matter what I try to do to my hair, it always 'goes that way' My family also has a very prominent gene, and is similiar to Rose's mouth/teeth shape, it is seen in numerous generations, very specific. and very prominent.

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[Shadow205]

I started a thread at a Flint,MI forum looking for anyone who was court ordered to Synanon back in the 70's. I am sure that Rose was not the only person sent there by the court system. Maybe we can find someonelse who was sent there. He is the link to the forum:

http://www.flinttalk.com/index.php

[Dr. Doogie]

I started a thread at a Flint,MI forum looking for anyone who was court ordered to Synanon back in the 70's. I am sure that Rose was not the only person sent there by the court system...
Great idea. Someone may have known her and have some clues as to what happened to her.

[rhyno1974]

I know this is way out there, but do you think there is any possibility that Rose could be the "Princess Doe". I know the age is off a bit, but I do see some resemblence.

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/36ufnj.html

[christine2448]

I know this is way out there, but do you think there is any possibility that Rose could be the "Princess Doe". I know the age is off a bit, but I do see some resemblence.

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/36ufnj.html
Hiya rhyno, Welcome to WS!


Says this was possibly an unidentified hotel worker that went by several aliases....I'd like to know what those were.

Age seems off by quite a bit...this girl was found in 1982...Rose would have been 26, the UID listed age range is 14-18 (how close do the stats say they come? Are there stats for this?)

I can't recall how tall Rose was, but I'm thinking tall? Someone? This doe is 5'2" to 5'4".

Did Rose have crowded lower teeth?

How about piercings?...although, this could have changed after missing...the doe's ears were pierced; her left ear was double-pierced.

[rhyno1974]

I know of one case here in Toronto of a John Doe who was listed as under 30 years old and he turned out to be 17.

[christine2448]

I know of one case here in Toronto of a John Doe who was listed as under 30 years old and he turned out to be 17.Yep, it's so hard on some of these because the info very well could be waaaay off you, you are so right about that.

I wish Isabela were around, so she could check it out.

And were is HOT? (HeartofTexas)

Shadow?

[IsabelaPR]

Am still alive, live goes to fast. . .I have not forgotten. . .e-mail me a list of the things I need to follow up. . .Am currently in San Antonio, TX for a business trip. Am returning home later today. Will check on your questions on Sunday! Promise! Isa. . .

[IsabelaPR]

Did her brother ever go to Texas? If so, when?
Pose (full name: Pose Poem Cole), the youngest brother has lived in TX most of his life. We have not been able to get in contact with him. The last communication was about 8 years ago.

Does her family have dental records on her? Had she ever seen a dentist? If they do not have dental records on her, but she had seen a dentist, what do they know about the dental work she had?
She visited the Moss Dental Clinic in Flint MI. I obtained dental records to be compared with Jane Doe in CA. These were not a match. However, her stepmother (Opal) and step sisters (Brenda & Norma) are certain that the dental records were switch at one point. They think the records I obtained are Norma’s since Rose had no dental work done. The dental work show in the records matches Norma’s dental work.

Did she have pierced ears?
No

Tattoos?
No

Any favorite jewelry she took with her? Was she partial to gold? Silver? Costume? Rings? Earrings? Necklaces? Chokers? Bracelets? Watches? Pins? Buttons?
I think Opal mentioned a ring but not much detail on this regard, everything else in your question will be a "No" but more accurate, “I don’t know”.

Did she wear glasses? Contacts? Sunglasses? Hats? Scarves? Headbands? Barrettes? Hair Clips? Ponytail?
No glasses, contacts, etc. However, the pictures I have she did wear headbands.

Was the last photo they have of her one that was taken before she left of after?
No pictures of her are available after she was sent to the Synanon

Was she the type to get a short haircut or was cutting her hair something she would never do? (in her family’s opinion)
She was complemented on her long beautiful hair. Again, all pictures available show her with long hair.

Would Synanon have forced her to get her hair cut or change her look because of some strange rule they had there?
For what we have learned about the Synanon, there is a great chance that they may have her cut her hair and even shave her head.


What was her weight and height?
I am not sure, but I know she felt as she was the tallest, long legs, etc. My son (Jesse Alexander or Little Jess), her nephew is only 10 years old and he is 5’4” already. Jesse James (her brother, my husband) is 6’3”. She could have easily been 5’7” at age 15.

Did she have any scars? Surgeries? Previously broken bones? Known medical conditions? Acne scars? Chicken pox scars?
No

Were you ever able to discover her drug of choice?
If truly using drugs, it would have been marijuana

In what states did she have friends and/or relatives?
School friend in MI, Claire. Step brother, Billy in Grand Blanc, MI. Cousin, Roxanne in Flint, MI. Norma in the UP, MI. Brenda in Decatur, AL, also in Decatur her step mom, Opal.
Brother Pose in TX
Brother Jesse in Madison, WI

Had she spoke about anyone she had met at Synanon?
One of her letters mentions a young girl of the name of Ruth. They were the youngest there.

What size clothes did she wear? Shoes?
Not sure

Was she partial to jeans? Slacks? Skirts? Dresses? Prints? Stripes? Solids?
Not sure

Do they still have any of her things? Have they checked to see if they could get finger prints off any of those items? Such as the letters? Have they tried to get DNA off of the envelope that she most likely licked closed? I know you mentioned the brother gave a DNA sample.
The only things we have are the letters. On of the envelopes was open with a letter opener, so it was still sealed. This envelope along with Jesse James DNA was provided to NCEMC. About 3 weeks ago the DNA was added to CODIS. I sent an e-mail last night to my contacts to asking for feedback.

[itsreenw]

Good to hear the DNA was entered into CODIS. Isa, do you want me to try find Pose?

[IsabelaPR]

Good to hear the DNA was entered into CODIS. Isa, do you want me to try find Pose?

We have tried! If you could give it a shot, that will be great!!! It shouldn't be that difficult, there is only one Pose Poem Cole in this world :) Let me know what other info will you need. All I have is his name and birthdate, along with the addresses were he used to live. The same public information you'll find online!

Isa

[GraceBlue]

Isabela- I found an address for Pose P Cole on zabasearch.com and I sent it to you in PM.

[Shadow205]

I started a thread at a Flint,MI forum looking for anyone who was court ordered to Synanon back in the 70's. I am sure that Rose was not the only person sent there by the court system. Maybe we can find someonelse who was sent there. He is the link to the forum:

http://www.flinttalk.com/index.php
I finally got a reply to the message that I posted at the local Flint,MI forum!!!

I RAN THE INTAKE/NEWCOMER PROGRAM IN SYNANON FOR SOME TIME DURING THE 70'S BUT ROSE'S NAME DOES NOT RING A BELL. I DO REMEMBER A FEW COURT ORDERED RESIDENTS FROM MICHIGAN, A RELATIVE OF THEN CONGRESSMAN DIGGS BEING ONE, BUT BY IN LARGE, SYNANON DID NOT ACCEPT TOO MANY COURT ORDERED RESIDENTS BECAUSE PEOPLE HAD TO BE THERE AND HAD TO WANT TO BE THERE. iF SHE WAS IN HER TEENS WHEN SHE CAME IN, THEN SHE WAS PART OF LARGE GROUP OF TEENAGERS THAT ENTERED THE PROGRAM IN THE MID 70'S.....SAY FROM 74 UNTIL 77.

[christine2448]

We have tried! If you could give it a shot, that will be great!!! It shouldn't be that difficult, there is only one Pose Poem Cole in this world :) Let me know what other info will you need. All I have is his name and birthdate, along with the addresses were he used to live. The same public information you'll find online!

IsaCould this be him? Got this off my Net Detective

POSE P COLE 49
1957
837 BLUEBIRD DR
IRVING, TX 75061

ETA, Isabella, I found something else, not sure you'd want me to post, check your PM.

[Shadow205]

Sounds like him to me Chris. Is this the same info that you located GraceBlue?

[d.o.a. cop]

Hello everyone - I have been checking on from time to time. It is amazing to see how much work you have all done on the Cole case.

I have some news - for those who remember....The original overlays I had sent to the Cole family and the pics of the Jane Doe Marin County Bust that were done by Gloria Nusse - well Mrs. Nusse did some work on another case I referred her to last year. It was a three year old cold case that was solved just this week!

If interested - you can see a collection of TV reports and news print on the case at my website:

http://web.mac.com/doa.cop/iWeb/DOA.COP/Death%20Blog/88721A4B-F680-4CD7-8F3C-C687D8750695.html

I also got a call from the CA DOJ - who is trying to compare another Marin Jane Doe to the Cole case!!!!

Will take some work - but I'll do what I can do - keep you posted as much as legally can.

I am in talks with a new broadband based television series - it will be sort of an Amercia's Most Wanted for the John and Jane Doe community. We will try and crack cold case Doe cases across the nation. Can't really talk much abou the format at this time - other than to say something like this is long overdue and much needed. If you love this site - wait til this project gets off the ground!

Keep up the good work.

[GraceBlue]

doa cop- Wow. Its amazing how Gloria can re-create someone's face from just bones with clay! Thank you for sharing that link and for the update on another Marin Co. Jane Doe being looked at into. Please do keep us updated as much as you can (legally of course.)

[IsabelaPR]

Wow! Just visited your site! Great work! Please do keep us in the loop. . .Thank you!

And thank you all! Today is Rose's birthday, her 50th! I am not loosing hope, however, I did hope to find her before her birthday.

Rose! We love you! Happy Birthday!

[Shadow205]

Happy Birthday Rose whever you are.

[christine2448]

Rose! We love you! Happy Birthday!DITTO!!!!!

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[Shadow205]

DITTO!!!!!

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Wow Christine, that was quite a party that you had for Rose!http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[christine2448]

Wow Christine, that was quite a party that you had for Rose!http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

Yep! I wish she could see how much she is loved!

[itsreenw]

Pias, the owner of Hot-on-the-Trail blog (HOTT), started a series about Rose's disappearance. She contacted me and asked for info regarding Rose's case. She wanted Part I to post on her birthday.

I didn't read my messages until late the evening of Rose's birthday so she had to do Part I with very little assistance. She did a FANTASTIC job!!!Please read Part I here:

http://hot-on-the-trail-at.blog-city.com/the_mystery_of_rose_cole.htm

Isa, Pias would like to contact you regarding the rest of the series. Would you mind if I gave her your email address? PM me or email me, k.

[Shadow205]

I'm glad that Pias was able to go ahead with the story. Isabella answered all of her guestions, that I sent to her(See post 138) back in November, Pias contacted me again needing additional information from Isabeela before finsihing up the article. I unfortunately had trouble contacting Isabella due to her Grandmother dying. I told Isabella that Pias was wanting to do the feature for Rose's birthday, evidently they were succesful at catching up with each other in time.

Great job on the story Pias!

[Shadow205]

Way back somewhere in the thread, we talked about the churches in the nearby vicinity of Synanon helping people "Leave" there. I think that I had found that information in the book "The Light On Synanon". I think that is a direction for us to explore furthur. Rose did mention in one of the letters that someone was helping her and that they thought that she was 19 years old.

[Shadow205]

getting some messages on the Flint,MI board:

http://www.flinttalk.com/post-7139.html#7139

[Shadow205]

It took me forever to find Rose's letters. Once I did I thought that I would bring them up to the top for anyone new to the thread that might not ever have had the chance to read them.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/yannette0469@sbcglobal.net/album?.dir=fb4a&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/yannette0469@sbcglobal.net/my_photos

[christine2448]

getting some messages on the Flint,MI board:

http://www.flinttalk.com/post-7139.html#7139
Interesting! Let's hope maybe someone will know something.

[awagner]

Had anyone followed up on the possible match to 169UFPA? It sounds like Rose would have been too tall and the eye color is wrong but she has the look.. I am hoping though on the side of finding her alive...

and what about Pose? Did ya call him?

[Shadow205]

I did a myspace page for Rose. It is a work in progress but here it is.

http://www.myspace.com/rosecole

[christine2448]

I did a myspace page for Rose. It is a work in progress but here it is.

http://www.myspace.com/rosecole
Awesome job!!!!

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[Pias]

Hi everyone,
I just thought I would let you know I have published part 2 of Rose's story. I will do a part 3 if there are any further developments in her case. I am working with Isabela to hopefully make some more progress in finding Rose. I am looking for the first 10 pages of her last letter if anyone knows where I can find them. I imagine Isabela will be getting back to me on that soon, but if anyone has a link to them, please pass it on. Perhaps they have gotten lost or something?? The post should help to put into context where the case stands somewhat, although I never included what possible matches have been eliminated. I know there are at least 3 possible matches currently being investigated. One in CA (a different one), NJ, and NY. The family is working to get some nuclear DNA in the voluntary database. As you probably know, there are 3 different databases for DNA. Unidentified, criminal, and voluntary. The family is also working on letters to SS and IRS. These are the things that are not mentioned in the post. This should get you up to speed on some things you may not know. I don't stop by websleuths that often so I don't know if you have any information on possible matches you are working on that you would like to share with me. If so, please stop by HOTT and send me an email or something. Just click on the flaming email on the left on the site and title your letter Rose Cole. Best wishes everyone.

http://hot-on-the-trail-at.blog-city.com/the_mystery_of_rose_cole_part_2.htm

[Shadow205]

Just finished reading part 2 Pias. Thank you! I hope that someone who knows something will see it and make contact with someone.

[Gina_M]

I did a myspace page for Rose. It is a work in progress but here it is.

http://www.myspace.com/rosecole
Hi Shadow,

I thought that was you :) Great job!

I'm not too familiar with Rose's case, but when I have some time, I will read more about it.

[Shadow205]

Thanks to a poster on the Flint,MI forum where I started a thread on Rose!

Now I need to find someone who can do some research at



Repository:
University of California, Los Angeles. Library. Department of Special Collections.

Los Angeles, California 90095-1575

(http://www.library.ucla.edu/libraries/special/scweb/)Finding Aid for the Synanon Foundation Records, ca. 1956-1987

Descriptive Summary

Title:
Synanon Foundation Records, ca. 1956-1987

Collection number:
342



Creator:
Synanon (Foundation)
Extent:
564 boxes (282 linear ft.)
118 cartons (59 linear ft.)
32 boxes
Physical location:
Stored off-site at SRLF. Advance notice is required for access to the collection. Please contact the UCLA Library, Department of Special Collections Reference Desk for paging information.

Take a look at thie link for this information, I think that we might just be able to find some clue to Rose there.
http://content.cdlib.org/view;jsessionid=naTottWvhKeCiNfY?docId=tf9k4009h9&doc.view=entire_text

I think it is worth a try. If someone lives in the area and would like to spend a day digging through some old boxes. Any volunteers?

[MagicRose99]

Why does the first paragraph at that link keep saying "excluding California"? Is that in regards to the information or something else?

<snip>
Biological and Medical Sciences --Substance Abuse --General Biological and Medical Sciences --Clinical Medicine --Psychiatry History --History, California --History, Los Angeles Area Geographical (By Place) --California --Los Angeles Area History --History, United States (excluding California) --General Geographical (By Place) --United States (excluding California)

I'm sorry, I'm in Northern CA or I'd be willing to go through the stuff for you... All the other CA WS's I know of are down here too...

[itsreenw]

We found that a long time ago but I dont think we have any members in Southern CA.

I was skimming through the labels and found this:

[ Box 124 ]
East Ridge - The way out through Emerson - The Oversoul.

[ Box 125 ]
Emerson - Power through Enright, John B.

Emerson is the name of the school Rose went to in MI. Remember Rose was locked up after she met with the school counselor. I bet they were getting paid for sending kids there.

[itsreenw]

I was just reviewing everything mentally and uncle Joseph getting the will is bothering me. It may not have a thing to do with Rose but I wanted to check it out anyway. I ran new records on NetDetective and now I am totally confused.

It appears that Uncle Joseph had a son that isnt sure if he was born in 1955 or 1964. In the first record (below) the "43 -1964" should appear next to Erma's name. It shows their marital status as "married".
On the record I got months ago from intellius (post #32) when Shadow205 called the uncle, it lists Erma as 69 yrs old and Uncle Joseph as 73 so I dont know if this ND info is on the son and he coincidentally married someone named Erma too or if someone is using the couples names but changed the ages.
The info is new, (see red box) from February 2006. What do you guys think?
Isa, can you ask your hubby about this? Did Joseph have a son? Would Rose have contacted him?

These records are from NetDetective:
It is not going to appear on WS as it appeared on NetDetective so I'll clarify:

Joseph A Borich 52 1955
Erma L Borich 43 1964
J Borich no birth info (just an aka for the person above)
--------------------------------
the second record shows both birth years as 1964



1)
2 http://www.standard.netdetective.net/images/new.gifBORICH, JOSEPH A (http://www.standard.netdetective.net/people_search_details.php?source=V0xQRjA4MDUuQ29uc 3VtZXJfMDMyMDA2X01J&id=2892418&person=Per1&type=name)
BORICH, ERMA L (http://www.standard.netdetective.net/people_search_details.php?source=V0xQRjA4MDUuQ29uc 3VtZXJfMDMyMDA2X01J&id=2892418&person=Per2&type=name)
BORICH, J (http://www.standard.netdetective.net/people_search_details.php?source=V0xQRjA4MDUuQ29uc 3VtZXJfMDMyMDA2X01J&id=2892418&person=Per3&type=name) 52
43

1955
1964

3221 BRENTWOOD DR
FLINT, MI 48503 810-234-0368

2)Name http://www.standard.netdetective.net/images/toggle.gif (http://www.standard.netdetective.net/people_search.php?sort=desc&step=0&id=X5cc9e24f98eaf04106db5af95456c1451169351714&subject=BORICH, ERMA &state=MI&first_name=erma&last_name=borich&middle_initial=) AgeD.O.B.AddressPhone
1 http://www.standard.netdetective.net/images/new.gifBORICH, JOSEPH A (http://www.standard.netdetective.net/people_search_details.php?source=V0xQRjA4MDUuQ29uc 3VtZXJfMDMyMDA2X01J&id=2892418&person=Per2&type=name)
BORICH, ERMA L (http://www.standard.netdetective.net/people_search_details.php?source=V0xQRjA4MDUuQ29uc 3VtZXJfMDMyMDA2X01J&id=2892418&person=Per1&type=name)
BORICH, J (http://www.standard.netdetective.net/people_search_details.php?source=V0xQRjA4MDUuQ29uc 3VtZXJfMDMyMDA2X01J&id=2892418&person=Per3&type=name) 43
43

1964
1964

3221 BRENTWOOD DR
FLINT, MI 48503 810-234-0368

All of a sudden I cant find anything on Uncle Joseph in CA through NetDetective but the info is still on Intellius. They dont always have correct info but that's where I got the info before when Shadow205 called and talked to Uncle.

[Shadow205]

Does anyone remember if Izabella tried going though social security? Someone left this message on the Flint,MI forum suggesting we try this:

"The more I think about it, the more I think you should ask the assistance of
your closest Social Security Administration office. Let them know her parents
are deceased, and her brother is looking for his heirs. They'll need to know
parents' full names; Rose's full name, birth date and place of birth. Write Rose
a detailed letter, requesting she write or call you collect, and prepare it for
mailing (unsealed in case the SSA wants to check it). Take it with you to the
Social Security Administration with the other identity validating information you
have. If they can find her in their database they should forward your letter to
her at the last known address, and you just wait for a response. If she's been
in the database and is no longer living they should be able to tell you where to
look for the death record.

All my best wishes to you in your search. Please let us know if you find her."

[christine2448]

Hey Shadow, *HUGS*, I have been trying to get Yannette, but she hasn't been on Yahoo at all...I hope all is well.

[christine2448]

I was just reviewing everything mentally and uncle Joseph getting the will is bothering me. It may not have a thing to do with Rose but I wanted to check it out anyway. I ran new records on NetDetective and now I am totally confused.

It appears that Uncle Joseph had a son that isnt sure if he was born in 1955 or 1964. In the first record (below) the "43 -1964" should appear next to Erma's name. It shows their marital status as "married".
On the record I got months ago from intellius (post #32) when Shadow205 called the uncle, it lists Erma as 69 yrs old and Uncle Joseph as 73 so I dont know if this ND info is on the son and he coincidentally married someone named Erma too or if someone