Question for Jim TCG

[dasgal]

Ok, I've read from time to time, but not enough to quote ya. You seem to believe that Darin or Darlie's sister did this. Why?

[Delores]

her sister maybe? wasn't she there for supper that night?

[detectivewannabe]

her sister maybe? wasn't she there for supper that night?
Yes, and Darin drove her home.

[justice2]

I believe I read that Dana was also working for Darin for the summer. Don't remember where, I think one of the books.

[Jimthecarpetguy]

Ok, I've read from time to time, but not enough to quote ya. You seem to believe that Darin or Darlie's sister did this. Why?
OK jongalt,It's because it just smells bad.Was this the first time it took an especially long time to drive lil' sis home?Darlie might have known or suspected something was happening and that made her snap.Darins utterance at 1.12.11 on the 911 tape expresses disbelief at whoever.... came in here.PM me for my whole theory,I Don't want to get ripped to pieces on this board.

[dasgal]

Hi Delores,
Yes she was. But she was also safely home according to the affidavits of both Darie and Darin, by the time the actual murders.
I will confess however, that I am one of those who believe that she did have "something" to do with the murders, however innocently.
She's a very pretty lady, and was a few years younger than Darlie. In Darlie's affidavit I think it was, she discusses that the sister ate dinner with them and then Darin drove her home. I think in a separate document she discussed that the drive home took "too long" or something to that effect, but he finally got home and Darlie in what I believe to be a pissed off state started talking about leaving, ect, which is also documented by Darlie.
IMO, Darin had a " I don't care....I just want to go to bed because it's late" attitude which I believe Darlie saw as simply not caring. Being a drama queen, and probably fairly serious due to mental problems (not in a bad way), and an excess of stress and medications, she just went over the bend. I believe that she drug out all her old crap, including the wedding dress and the photo albums, and went on this big trip down memory lane. I think that being the sterotypical kind of gal that gets breast implants (I have them) she had a low lying inferiority complex, but a topical superiority complex. In other words, a great internal debate especially within context. "I'm not good enough for you, so why are you cheating on someone as "rocking" as I am?????"
Murder/Suicides have been carried out on much less than this.
I believe totally that Darlie has histronic disorders, which is fairly typical with people with low self esteems which are also trying to rectify that fact, by self assertion, no matter how muddled.
In my contention, the above all points to the fact that I believe it was a valid suicide attempt, even though she was too frightened to carry it out correctly. I believe that she meant to take Darin's children from him in a blind attemp to both punish him, and subject him to longing for what he no longer had.
None of this really had to do with Darlie's sister of course, except in the mindset that Darlie may have had at the time, due to her very real self loathing fears. And those fears, IMO, where put in place by none other than Darin.

[Jeana (DP)]

OK jongalt,It's because it just smells bad.Was this the first time it took an especially long time to drive lil' sis home?Darlie might have known or suspected something was happening and that made her snap.Darins utterance at 1.12.11 on the 911 tape expresses disbelief at whoever.... came in here.PM me for my whole theory,I Don't want to get ripped to pieces on this board.


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Just kidding!! I'm here to make sure you won't get ripped to pieces. You can post what you'd like. Besides, I agree with you that whether there was something going on between them or not, its VERY possible that Darlie THOUGHT there was, and in a woman's mind, sometimes that's all she needs.

[Jimthecarpetguy]

and there is Darin and Danas' involvement.They may have pushed her over the edge.

[dasgal]

OK jongalt,It's because it just smells bad.Was this the first time it took an especially long time to drive lil' sis home?Darlie might have known or suspected something was happening and that made her snap.Darins utterance at 1.12.11 on the 911 tape expresses disbelief at whoever.... came in here.PM me for my whole theory,I Don't want to get ripped to pieces on this board.
No one wants to rip you to peices. I just wonder why you are looking for anyone but the "Dar". I think a crapload of people are culpable to some extent. Many more than I would willingly say online because it really serves no other purpose to expose people to guilty feelings when in fact they never murdered a soul.
A lot of people were the makings of Darlie Routier in her infamy. A lot of folks contributed to her last desperate act. But I think only one actually weilded the knife that killed those two precious boys.
Are other people guilty to some respects? Yes. Some more than others.
But no moreso than any other murderer can attest to.
It takes a lot of seperate issuses to turn a normally law abiding person into a killer. Especially of their own children. But it happens. And it happens daily.

[dasgal]

and there is Darin and Danas' involvement.They may have pushed her over the edge.
Pushing ones nerves over the edge does not justify putting a knife in one's hands and plunging said knife into the bodies of children you have given birth to and nurtured.

[Jimthecarpetguy]

No one wants to rip you to peices. I just wonder why you are looking for anyone but the "Dar". I think a crapload of people are culpable to some extent. Many more than I would willingly say online because it really serves no other purpose to expose people to guilty feelings when in fact they never murdered a soul.
A lot of people were the makings of Darlie Routier in her infamy. A lot of folks contributed to her last desperate act. But I think only one actually weilded the knife that killed those two precious boys.
Are other people guilty to some respects? Yes. Some more than others.
But no moreso than any other murderer can attest to.
It takes a lot of seperate issuses to turn a normally law abiding person into a killer. Especially of their own children. But it happens. And it happens daily.
I want some culpability from some of those people.If there were circumstances that drove her to murder why do those people get to take wedding pictures for profit or get to roam free and live with the lies?Bothers me that she hasn't narc'ed them out yet.

[Jeana (DP)]

and there is Darin and Danas' involvement.They may have pushed her over the edge.


More than a few people have speculated.

[Jeana (DP)]

Pushing ones nerves over the edge does not justify putting a knife in one's hands and plunging said knife into the bodies of children you have given birth to and nurtured.


I don't think he said that Das!! Nothing justifies it. But we know she snapped. I think that believing that something was going on either real or imagined added to that.

[dasgal]

I want some culpability from some of those people.If there were circumstances that drove her to murder why do those people get to take wedding pictures for profit or get to roam free and live with the lies?Bothers me that she hasn't narc'ed them out yet.I understand your desire, but it's not probable. Darlie is not the only murderess in the world. There are a ton of poverty stricken minorities that also have the same environmental effects that helped them reach homicide. Are we going to charge the President for not raising the minimum wage? Are we going to start sentencing run away dad's and moms who can't keep up because they don't get child support? Are we going to sentence to death the teenage moms who scream out in frustration that they wish the child was never born? Are we going to flog ALL the males in this country who, when the female gets pregnant accuses them of being fat?
Can't happen my friend. No one puts a knife of a gun in their hand. But do I believe in envirornmental additives? Yes I do. Should it contribute the the sentanced persons punishment? Yes. I'm one of those horrible dem types who believes that sentence should be in accordance to environment.
But at the same time, I will not excuse a person for killing another, no matter what the circumstance. Do I feel sorry for her. Yes. A million times yes. Do I blame her family, her husband and her friends for making her what she was? Yes, and yes again. But in the long run, only one person, medicated or not, stressed or not, degrated or not, took the life of two beautiful children doing nothing more than sleeping under what they thought was the watchful eye of their mother.
Would you sacrifice their memory, their very lives, their right to live...over envirnmental additives?
I hope you say, " Of course not".

[Jimthecarpetguy]

Dasgal knows my rants pretty well(I better watch watch what I post!)but really,Doesn't the person who lit the firecracker have the same culpability as the one who threw it?

[dasgal]

Yes, Jim, but only if they wielded a knife, or had intimate knoweldge. (Which I only suspect might be the case)

[Jeana (DP)]

Dasgal knows my rants pretty well(I better watch watch what I post!)but really,Doesn't the person who lit the firecracker have the same culpability as the one who threw it?

This isn't the same thing as a murder for hire. He may have added to whatever made her snap, but he certainly didn't know what it would lead to. You have to have intent and I don't believe he did.

[dasgal]

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but even if this WERE a murder for hire, which it isn't, it still doesn't exclude her blood evidence all over the bottom floor of the house, or her misleading statements, or any or the rest.

The whole murder for hire thing is something cooked up within the last few years. I'll bet my hat it has something to do with Chris Brown. (You know where to reach me Chris if you have any problems with this statement)

And the whole burglary thing was shorty before that. (Yes, Jeff I got your phone invitations, but wasn't looking to go out to a bar with the two of you. HOWEVER......my terms, yes) But I will tape and photograph as well.

Anyhoo, the reason I steer clear of this on sane days is because the only thing that supporters can come up with is crazy crap. They start naming all this stuff, which btw, I have seen in person. I know where it comes from. I've HAD the calls on my tele.

I've been really fair to both sides. I've done the reseach with my very own hands. I've spent allotted years on reseach to be exact. I'm always willing to hear a really compelling alternative, which I haven't heard to date.

Personally, I don't think she should be senenced to death. Personally, I think she is pretty pathetic. Personally, I think her immediate family has a lot to do with how screwed up she is.
But then again, there are two really sweet little boys who prolly would have wanted to live to get married, to have kids, and grandkids.

[Jeana (DP)]

I could be wrong, but what I think he was saying was that he knew or should have known that what he was doing while she was in that state of mind, would set her off. I don't think that's true, IF that is indeed what he means.

[Jimthecarpetguy]

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but even if this WERE a murder for hire, which it isn't, it still doesn't exclude her blood evidence all over the bottom floor of the house, or her misleading statements, or any or the rest.

The whole murder for hire thing is something cooked up within the last few years. I'll bet my hat it has something to do with Chris Brown. (You know where to reach me Chris if you have any problems with this statement)

And the whole burglary thing was shorty before that. (Yes, Jeff I got your phone invitations, but wasn't looking to go out to a bar with the two of you. HOWEVER......my terms, yes) But I will tape and photograph as well.

Anyhoo, the reason I steer clear of this on sane days is because the only thing that supporters can come up with is crazy crap. They start naming all this stuff, which btw, I have seen in person. I know where it comes from. I've HAD the calls on my tele.

I've been really fair to both sides. I've done the reseach with my very own hands. I've spent allotted years on reseach to be exact. I'm always willing to hear a really compelling alternative, which I haven't heard to date.

Personally, I don't think she should be senenced to death. Personally, I think she is pretty pathetic. Personally, I think her immediate family has a lot to do with how screwed up she is.
But then again, there are two really sweet little boys who prolly would have wanted to live to get married, to have kids, and grandkids.

well said,sometimes in a fervor to find all the possible conspiracies one forgets that two children were brutally slain.God bless you Damon&Devon.

[dasgal]

I love ya girl, but what the hell would it matter if he "supposed" her state of mind? Because frankly he couldn't have "known it" without seeing a butcher knife in her hands poised over the body of her children.

[Jeana (DP)]

I love ya girl, but what the hell would it matter if he "supposed" her state of mind? Because frankly he couldn't have "known it" without seeing a butcher knife in her hands poised over the body of her children.

I KNOW!! I was trying to explain to you what I thought HE was talking about. Many people have said that Rusty Yates should have known that Andrea was going to do something bad and he shouldn't have left her alone with the kids. Some people might think that after the "suicide" threat from Darlie, that Darin should have known something was going to happen. The only problem in this is that Darlie NEVER would have done that.

[Jimthecarpetguy]

Loaded gun!

[dasgal]

It's not a loaded gun. It's the truth. You can look it in the face or not. I know that is going to take a whole lot of 'reworking'. God knows I've done it enough. These things are not easy. You have to work for them.

I know you have the ability to really figure it out. You have all the evidence you would ever need.

[Cyndi]

More than a few people have speculated.

Of course it's no excuse to murder your children if your other half IS having an affair, but is there anything more than just speculation by the public of this? Has anyone close to the family, or Darlie herself ever admitted something may have been going on there? I remember seeing one of the shows on this case ages ago and I think it was Dana on it who was crying right through it and then ended up leaving the stage. I dont think there was anything going on but Darlie could have easily thought there was if Darin was giving her reason too - bit of harmless flirting etc..

[beesy]

and there is Darin and Danas' involvement.They may have pushed her over the edge. I have thought for awhile that with Darlie's state of mind she suspected there was something going on. Lack of sleep can do some nasty things to your head. And Darin was always calling her fat. Darlie saw Dana with the body she USED to have and she knew Darin had always been proud of his hot-to-trot wife. I think she worried about it and in some ways that could be worse. If she asked, he denied it, which was true, but then she probably thought he was lying.

[Jimthecarpetguy]

I have thought for awhile that with Darlie's state of mind she suspected there was something going on. Lack of sleep can do some nasty things to your head. And Darin was always calling her fat. Darlie saw Dana with the body she USED to have and she knew Darin had always been proud of his hot-to-trot wife. I think she worried about it and in some ways that could be worse. If she asked, he denied it, which was true, but then she probably thought he was lying.
Darin might have had that look in his eyes whenever Dana walked by.All you ladies can attest that when it looks like a rat,smells like a rat,don't try to bull#### and say it was just a mouse!

[Jeana (DP)]

Of course it's no excuse to murder your children if your other half IS having an affair, but is there anything more than just speculation by the public of this? Has anyone close to the family, or Darlie herself ever admitted something may have been going on there? I remember seeing one of the shows on this case ages ago and I think it was Dana on it who was crying right through it and then ended up leaving the stage. I dont think there was anything going on but Darlie could have easily thought there was if Darin was giving her reason too - bit of harmless flirting etc..

Absolutely not. There's no evidence whatever that anything was going on. I think our discussion is speculation about what Darlie may have had going on in her head, not actual events. So, you're with us on our thinking.