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anthrobones
07-14-2006, 10:35 PM
[/URL][url]http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/332ufok.html (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/332ufok.html)

Unidentified White Female



The victim was discovered in April 1995 in McAlester, Oklahoma.
She was a victim of homicide.
Homicide is thought to have occured in March of 1995

Vital Statistics


Estimated age: 18 - 25 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 5'4" - 5'6"; 130 - 140 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Blonde/frosted hair. She had shoulder length, wavy hair.
Dentals: charts available, She had only one tooth filling.
Clothing: She wore a red Lassen Sportswear shirt with one front pocket; blue jeans, size 10; white bra, 38-D; panties which were large and not consistent with the blue jeans size; a two-piece wedding band set with a small diamond, which matched the wedding band of a male victim who also was found; and a "Le Watch" with a brown leather band.

Case History
The victim was located ten miles north of McAlester, along the outer road adjacent to U.S. Highway 69, in April of 1995. She was found with an unidentified male (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/419umok.html).
It is suspected that the couple was married based on the matching wedding rings that they were wearing. The couple is believed to have been shot with a .38 caliber Smith and Wesson or a Ruger model revolver. The unidentified male was shot once in the chest and the unidentified female was shot twice in the chest. It is estimated that the victims were killed on or around March 18, 1995, 3 weeks prior to their discovery.
The victims had been dragged about 40 feet into the woods. The location is approximately 50 yards west of an active Union Pacific Railway track, which runs north and south and about one-half mile from the entrance of Crower Point, which is a Lake Eufaula public campsite.
The unidentified male's left rear jean pants pocket was cut open, and he wore a watch with a Le Watch leather band. The watch was set 1 hour behind Oklahoma time, which is central standard time. No identifying information was found on the victims or in the area of the crime scene. It is unknown if the victims rode the railway , were hitchhiking, or drove an automobile.


http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/419umok.html

Unidentified White Male


The victim was discovered in April 1995 in McAlester, Oklahoma.
He was a victim of homicide.
Homicide is thought to have occured in March of 1995

Vital Statistics


Estimated age: 18 - 25 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 5'6" - 5'9"; 175 - 185 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Brown short hair.
Dentals: Charts available
Clothing: He wore a turquoise, possibly "Ocean Pacific" t-shirt; a black long-sleeve jacket; light blue Levi jeans with a black belt, size 31 waist/34 length; dark color bikini shorts with a geometric design; 14 karat gold wedding band which matched the rings of the female victim who also was found; and a watch with a "Le Watch" leather band.
Tattoos: He had the following tattoos: an "R" on his left forearm; an eyeball with a teardrop on his right forearm; and a cross on his left upper arm (bicep).

Case History
The victim was located ten miles north of McAlester, along the outer road adjacent to U.S. Highway 69, in April of 1995. He was found with an unidentified female (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/332ufok.html).
It is suspected that the couple was married based on the matching wedding rings that they were wearing. The couple is believed to have been shot with a .38 caliber Smith and Wesson or a Ruger model revolver. The unidentified male was shot once in the chest and the unidentified female was shot twice in the chest. It is estimated that the victims were killed on or around March 18, 1995, 3 weeks prior to their discovery.
The victims had been dragged about 40 feet into the woods. The location is approximately 50 yards west of an active Union Pacific Railway track, which runs north and south and about one-half mile from the entrance of Crower Point, which is a Lake Eufaula public campsite.
The unidentified male's left rear jean pants pocket was cut open, and he wore a watch with a Le Watch leather band. The watch was set 1 hour behind Oklahoma time, which is central standard time. No identifying information was found on the victims or in the area of the crime scene. It is unknown if the victims rode the railway , were hitchhiking, or drove an automobile.

mooner123
08-01-2006, 03:18 AM
I know the circumstances are not the same BUT has anyone ruled out Randy Lee Sellers? He also had a tattoo on his left forearm of the letter "R". Who knows if he was kidnapped w/the female for years. His picture looks very similar to the Doe in Oklahoma.

Auggie21
08-01-2006, 01:40 PM
I know the circumstances are not the same BUT has anyone ruled out Randy Lee Sellers? He also had a tattoo on his left forearm of the letter "R". Who knows if he was kidnapped w/the female for years. His picture looks very similar to the Doe in Oklahoma.
I agree that they look similar, though the ages between the UID and Mr. Sellers are off somewhat. Does anyone know what a tatoo of an "R" on the left forearm means? Is it a common symbol? Like all of the girls that got roses tottooed on their ankels in the 70's?

mooner123
08-01-2006, 03:48 PM
I know of people w/rose tattoos but no one with the letter "R" so I'm not sure what it means. Because of the Sharon Marshall case, I'm not too confident in Oklahoma's info. There's always room for mistakes.

mogwye
08-01-2006, 07:47 PM
I also see many similarities with this unidentified male and Randy Sellers. Similar height, weight, hair color, age and the "R" tattoo on his left forearm.
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/14dmky.html

Would be nice to have photos of the "R" tattoos on each man's forearm to compare. It is possible that Randy took off that night after being arrested rather than being abducted.

mooner123
08-01-2006, 08:08 PM
Randy Sellers attended an alternative school and was intoxicated the night he was arrested. I assume an alternative school is a school for troubled kids, but I don't know. Maybe he was troubled, on drugs or maybe had other issues that would make him run away. That picture sure resembles him though, and that tattoo!!!!

I guess this match would be too obvious. It must've been checked out before. ????

ragland
08-01-2006, 08:15 PM
yes moon you are right, 'A' school or alternative school is basically for wanna be drop outs, druggies, bullies, pregnant teens, just any kind of troubled area.

mooner123
08-01-2006, 08:20 PM
ragland:

do you think LE could've screwed up somewhere? don't you think this must've been checked out before?

mooner123
08-01-2006, 08:23 PM
Of all of these missing people out there and all of these John & Jane Does from different websites.... NONE match up to eachother? There's gotta be something wrong.

ragland
08-01-2006, 08:44 PM
i dont know moon i just jumped in this thread so i dont know enough to say one way or another but ill read up and let ya know what i think....

mjak
08-02-2006, 09:52 AM
Wow, It sure does seem like the unidentified male and Randy Lee Sellers could be one and the same. Can anyone alert Doe Network to this? As I am not a member there.

mjak

laini
10-08-2006, 01:58 PM
Here is the info on John and Shelly Markley missing in 1995 form Ohio.

www.doenetwork.org/cases/2270dmoh.html (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2270dmoh.html) John

www.doenetwork.org/cases/2126dfoh.html (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2126dfoh.html) Shelley



This couple was found in 1995 in Oklahoma. They resemble each other. But the ages are off and John Doe has tattoos not listed on Mr. Markley's page.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/419umok.html John Doe

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/332ufok.html Jane Doe

I am sure this has already been ruled out, but don't know for sure so thought I would see what you all thought.

reb
10-08-2006, 02:44 PM
well, the J&J does were found in april of '95 & the couple went missing in dec '95. so i think that would rule them out!

laini
10-08-2006, 09:47 PM
ah, thanks reb. Yep, that pretty much rules them out. :doh: I was thinking it said January not December.


Well, now they have a thread if anybody has any ideas. Their story (the missing couple ) is pretty interesting.

reb
10-08-2006, 10:01 PM
yes it is... i wonder what the heck happened. it sounds as if someone offered to buy his vintage car and when they came to look, tried to rob them or pulled some kind of scam.... but why would shelly write a check out to herself that morning?? also, they may have placed a classified ad earlier that no one knew about.
sure is a puzzle. anyone else....??

grievousangel
10-09-2006, 12:09 AM
This disappearance reminds me of several other disappearances of married couples...Leonard Lake and his partner Charles Ng would answer ads in the paper for various items....law mowers, stereos etc. They would go to the home ostensibly to look at and possibly buy ..instead, Lake and Ng would kidnap the couple and take them to a secluded mountain cabin, abuse and kill them. Lake was apprehended but committed suicide not long after his arrest. Another case involved a family of 3...husband, wife and daughter (elementary school age I think) This couple and their child were abducted from their home ....they just seemingly disappeared inTO thin air....I believe the childs body was discovered but her parents are still missing ....no clues, no motives ...nothing has ever been ascertained. Sounds similar to what has possibly happened to this couple.

Melly
12-23-2006, 02:03 AM
I've often wondered if this case was listed here. This couple disappeared from my home county, I remember when it happened. It was just like they disappeared. If I remember correctly, the children were on one or two of the talk shows talking about their missing parents. It's amazing to me that this case remains unsolved.

There are currently 3 missing persons cases from Trumbull County, Ohio that I can remember:

Christine Brock
Charlotte Nagi-Pollis
John and Shelley Markley

anthrobones
08-16-2007, 02:27 PM
Bumping them up

outofthedark
11-24-2007, 08:05 PM
According to an archived DoeNet page from November 29th, 2001- these two were identified- but not at a disclosed time. Keep this in mind, on the 2001 archived page- their case numbers were 116umok and 135ufok (I'll put links to the old pages). What's even more confusing is why are their cases currently back on DoeNet listed as Unidentified with new case numbers when they were listed as Identified 7 years prior, if not earlier than 7 years? Did DoeNet make a mistake and list the wrong Jane and John Does on the Identified page or do they have trouble with consistency? Did the investigator(s) make errors themselves? If anyone notices the current DoeNet page for identifications, you'll notice that both cases have been removed. I'll email DoeNet about this and see what they can tell me what's behind this, when I get a response from them- I'll post it here

116umok (currently 419umok): http://web.archive.org/web/20011207050804/www.angelfire.com/wy/doe/index.html
135ufok (cannot currently get a link for her- will try)
The 2001 "Identified" page listing both: http://web.archive.org/web/20011207050804/www.angelfire.com/wy/doe/index.html
The DoeNet archived page from November 2001: http://web.archive.org/web/20011207050804/www.angelfire.com/wy/doe/index.html

Debbie Miller
11-25-2007, 01:30 AM
I hope this can be cleared up. Good eye.

outofthedark
11-25-2007, 02:10 AM
I noticed this while going through the sites archives and noticing the reconstructions and case facts were the same. I noticed that this isn't the 1st time that this has happened. They put a case on their "Identified" page and then took the case from the page a long time after. I don't remember if they put the case back in the Unidentified Victims page- I'll check...

I forgot that the link for 116umok is archived and does not directly lead to the actual page itself- in the Unidentified Victims section, the case is on page 8, it has the word IDENTIFIED above the photo in red

Meyahna
11-25-2007, 08:03 AM
This was an error. They sometimes do that.

iNTERESTEDWOMAN
11-25-2007, 11:35 AM
This was an error. They sometimes do that.

An error that they where listed as identified, or an error they where re-posted as UID??

Debbie Miller
11-25-2007, 12:54 PM
This error is unacceptable due to if they were id'd, then people's time and effort is being wasted trying to make pm's for them. LE's time is also wasted trying to locate the case file that has long been put in the solved file.

outofthedark
11-25-2007, 02:47 PM
This error is unacceptable due to if they were id'd, then people's time and effort is being wasted trying to make pm's for them. LE's time is also wasted trying to locate the case file that has long been put in the solved file.

On one thread about these two, people were already looking at PMs. You read my mind about this because this was the basis for me sending the email

Here's my email to them:

I noticed that while archiving your website that on a November 29th, 2001 page from archive.org that Doe Network already had these cases listed as "Identified" under their original case file numbers of 116umok and 135ufok. I noticed that these cases are currently back in the Unidentified Victims section under the case file numbers 419umok and 332ufok- 7 years after Doe Network classified them as identified. I am curious as to whether these people have been positively identified and the relisting is a mistake or some other mistake happened. Could you please fill me in on this if you have a chance to reply?
If you want me to send you the archived page, I will gladly do that for you

Thank you for your time,
From An Avid Doe Network Visitor

Meyahna
11-25-2007, 05:22 PM
An error that they were listed as identified.

outofthedark
11-26-2007, 02:05 PM
I got an email back from Elizabeth Sinor concerning the confusion:

Hi Alana,

I have been told by co-Administrators that these two cases remain unidentified. However I do not know the circumstances under which they were originally documented as identified.

Thank you for asking though! :)

~Elizabeth
Doe Network Admin
doe.admin@gmail.com (http://ca.f355.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=doe.admin@gmail.com)

That clears things up! ;)

Meyahna
11-26-2007, 07:27 PM
I didn't invent what I said I was in that org. at that time and I know that's what happened. I'm one of the very little persons who ever paid attention to whatever happened there and to what people there said so you can trust me on that.

spiffy7
12-17-2007, 07:25 AM
I am very interested in this case because I live in the same area and looked at the house to purchase about 5 yrs ago.
Does anyone remember the year/month that this case was viewed on the Montell Williams show with Sylvia Brown?
Does anyone have a recording of either show? (their were two).

Kymistry35
12-17-2007, 09:15 AM
Wasn't there a case awhile back, where the UID was listed as found before the person was reported missing? That has happened more than once I think. So I would not rule anyone out based on that fact alone.

spiffy7
12-17-2007, 09:21 AM
What do you mean? The Markley's were declared dead.

Gina_M
12-17-2007, 09:27 AM
Wasn't there a case awhile back, where the UID was listed as found before the person was reported missing? That has happened more than once I think. So I would not rule anyone out based on that fact alone.

I agree - I always take a closer look before ruling out by date. Often the "missing date" is the date "reported missing" and could be well after the person actually went missing. In this case, the couple went missing in December for sure, as described on the Doe Network - they sent their kids off to school that morning and made a bank transaction. The UIDs were found in April. (Assuming there are no typos on the dates/years!) Here are the updated links:

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2270dmoh.html
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2126dfoh.html

More info at Charley Project:
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/markley_john.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/markley_shelly.html

UIDs:
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/419umok.html
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/332ufok.html

Kymistry35
12-17-2007, 09:31 AM
Thanks Gina. I just wanted to point out to others though who are searching, that you can't always go by just the dates missing/found.

spiffy7
12-17-2007, 09:39 AM
Does anybody remember the dates/yr of the montel williams show with sylvia brown ??Or a copy of the show??

Thanks!
Steve

spiffy7
12-17-2007, 09:49 AM
Also, his age at the time was 36, the approx age of the john doe was 18-25. As well as the tatoos on the john doe. After talking with people that knew john markley, he did not have any tatoos (as far as they remember)

spiffy7
12-17-2007, 09:53 AM
Also, the watch band that John Markley wore was found in his house after the disappearance. John Doe that was found was wearing a leather banded watch.

phenolred
03-12-2008, 10:40 AM
Another Link for these guys this one seems solvable too WHO ARE THEY?

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seekinfo/ok100803.htm

christine2448
03-12-2008, 10:46 AM
Has anyone reported Randy Seller as a possible match?? The outcome? If not, do you all want me to call and see about comparison? Have them been compared side by side anywhere, stats and pics?

kygal
03-13-2008, 05:06 PM
I could've sworn that I read somewhere that these two were identified a couple of years ago... I guess I need to look at what I THINK the site was I saw that. Great, the site I remember reading it on no longer exists. :mad:

Second... you are right that Randy Sellers must have been into something all the time at school. Here it takes several suspensions to get that -- this is the last step before being expelled permanently from school here.

Debbie Miller
03-13-2008, 10:40 PM
Wow, It sure does seem like the unidentified male and Randy Lee Sellers could be one and the same. Can anyone alert Doe Network to this? As I am not a member there.

mjak

Doe Network pm panel turned this down once, I had made this suggestion a few years ago.

It would be wise to call each law enforcement agency involved and ask about this.

If noone wants to call , I will do it. I have made a few good contacts in Ky.
Let me know

Debbie Miller
03-13-2008, 10:42 PM
Has anyone reported Randy Seller as a possible match?? The outcome? If not, do you all want me to call and see about comparison? Have them been compared side by side anywhere, stats and pics?

Christine I think this is worth another call and get it from the LE's mouth.

Debbie Miller
03-13-2008, 10:43 PM
Doe Network pm panel turned this down once, I had made this suggestion a few years ago.

It would be wise to call each law enforcement agency involved and ask about this.

If noone wants to call , I will do it. I have made a few good contacts in Ky.
Let me know

It was recently discussed about them being identified and it seems there was a mistake somewhere and they are still unidentified.


Sorry quoted the wrong thread.

Debbie Miller
03-13-2008, 10:45 PM
I could've sworn that I read somewhere that these two were identified a couple of years ago... I guess I need to look at what I THINK the site was I saw that. Great, the site I remember reading it on no longer exists. :mad:

Second... you are right that Randy Sellers must have been into something all the time at school. Here it takes several suspensions to get that -- this is the last step before being expelled permanently from school here.


They are still unidentified from what Doe says, it was a mistake.

christine2448
03-13-2008, 11:01 PM
They are still unidentified from what Doe says, it was a mistake.

Or, Doe has it wrong. They don't mean to, but it won't be the 1st time.

christine2448
03-13-2008, 11:02 PM
Doe Network pm panel turned this down once, I had made this suggestion a few years ago.

It would be wise to call each law enforcement agency involved and ask about this.

If noone wants to call , I will do it. I have made a few good contacts in Ky.
Let me know

Don't think it could hurt....make sure to follow up by email and with links, pics, comparisons.

shadowangel
09-10-2008, 12:14 AM
I came across this case on the FBI "Seeking Information" website. It baffles me that a couple found in 1995 can go unidentified....It reminds me of the Sumter SC couple found in 1976 (though there is no evidence they were related or in a relationship, as in this case). I've found some interesting cases of couples who went missing around this time, but nothing related to this specific case.

future criminologist
02-16-2009, 12:29 PM
hey, I am bumping this one up...any news on it? I am looking into the unidentified female. I would think that the disappearance of a couple would be rare, and that it would have been solved already.

anthrobones
02-16-2009, 02:04 PM
I am assuming that they were husband and wife since they say the wedding bands matched.

JaneInOz
02-17-2009, 08:36 AM
The original links do not work

This is the FBI one http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seekinfo/ok100803.htm

This is the Free Library one http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Unidentified+Homicide+Victims-a0110395567

Doe Network correct links

Him http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/419umok.html

Her http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/332ufok.html


Im very interested in this case given how there is the Murder of the couple in Sth Caroline in 1976
not saying they are related

Just amazed that Couples seem to be killed and no one can identify them

Debbie Miller
02-17-2009, 04:16 PM
I haven't seen any major news on this couple, I am leaning toward the possibility that they have never been reported missing. I had spent many an hour on sites trying to find a possible match for them and with no luck. I believe the Randy Sellers pm didn't pan out.

I can call the LE and see what kind of info if anything new has come up with this.

Is there any known convicted killers out there that targeted couples?

JaneInOz
02-18-2009, 07:23 AM
I haven't seen any major news on this couple, I am leaning toward the possibility that they have never been reported missing. I had spent many an hour on sites trying to find a possible match for them and with no luck. I believe the Randy Sellers pm didn't pan out.

I can call the LE and see what kind of info if anything new has come up with this.

Is there any known convicted killers out there that targeted couples?

That would be great if you would do that Debbie :blowkiss:

WholeLottaRosie
02-21-2009, 05:25 AM
There is a case, and, I guess cause it is late I can't recall enough to find it in a search, where somewhere, I thought in the Midwest, and I thought Indiana or Ohio, but, not sure. A couple is missing. Kids went to school like normal one morning, came home and Mom and Dad gone. Does this sound familiar to anyone?

Debbie Miller
02-22-2009, 01:40 AM
I remember reading that, but can't recall the names at this time.

anthrobones
08-25-2009, 11:54 PM
Bumping up

SeriouslySearching
08-27-2009, 12:18 AM
I don't know about it being a long shot. Sure could fit even the R initial.

OMG! Where did that post go from M?!

Soulmagent
02-22-2010, 04:14 AM
How many couples go missing? I know I shouldnt even. The age is way off but they look alike. [URL="http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/redmon_sharon.html"]
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/redmon_andrew.html

Lil'E
08-05-2010, 02:31 PM
There is a case, and, I guess cause it is late I can't recall enough to find it in a search, where somewhere, I thought in the Midwest, and I thought Indiana or Ohio, but, not sure. A couple is missing. Kids went to school like normal one morning, came home and Mom and Dad gone. Does this sound familiar to anyone?

Yep! John and Shelly Markley missing in 1995 form Ohio. There is another link here at WS about them. LINK

Bumping Up for Both Couples

Redbird
08-05-2010, 06:00 PM
There is a state prison in McAlester. Wonder if there could be a connection to the couple.

RubyRed
09-12-2010, 11:32 AM
HOMICIDE VICTIMS
McAlester, Oklahoma
MARCH OF 1995


http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seekinfo/ok100803-1.jpg

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seekinfo/ok100803-2.jpg


THE DETAILS SURROUNDING THE CRIME
Law enforcement authorities in McAlester, Oklahoma are seeking information in connection with the murders of an unidentified man and a woman which occurred in March of 1995. It is suspected that the couple was married based on the matching wedding rings that they were wearing. The couple is believed to have been shot with a .38 caliber Smith and Wesson or a Ruger model revolver. The victims' bodies were discovered ten miles north of McAlester, along the outer road adjacent to U.S. Highway 69, in April of 1995. The victims had been dragged about 40 feet into the woods. The location is approximately 50 yards west of an active Union Pacific Railway track, which runs north and south and about one-half mile from the entrance of Crower Point, which is a Lake Eufaula public campsite.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seekinfo/ok100803.htm

Soulmagent
09-12-2010, 03:21 PM
Yep! John and Shelly Markley missing in 1995 form Ohio. There is another link here at WS about them. LINK (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43824)

Bumping Up for Both Couples

The other link posted said this couple was found in April and The Markley''s were not reported missing until Dec. The reported missing date is correct on the Markley's.

reasypeasy
09-12-2010, 10:27 PM
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/332ufok.html



Unidentified White Female



blue jeans, size 10; white bra, 38-D; panties which were large and not consistent with the blue jeans size; a two-piece wedding band set with a small diamond, which matched the wedding band of a male victim who also was found;

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The oversize panties make me wonder whether she had been pregnant at some stage in the few years before her death. Maybe she bought some larger underpants to deal with that, and after the birth was continuing to wear them under jeans because they weren't going to fall down under a tight pair of trousers.

mtrooper
09-12-2010, 10:33 PM
Here is the namus link to the male: https://identifyus.org/cases/5170
Randy Sellers is ruled out as well as Jarrod Green
More on the ring:
Ring on the fourth finger of the left hand, yellow metal band, and the inside is inscribed with "14 K" and the letters "TW" within a circle.

here is the namus link to the female: https://identifyus.org/cases/5170
Bonnie Dages is ruled out as well as Jeanie Lofton

mtrooper
09-12-2010, 10:38 PM
Interesting tattoo on this missing woman, same initials. dates are off, but its possible.

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200502822S

carbuff
09-13-2010, 09:02 AM
Interesting tattoo on this missing woman, same initials. dates are off, but its possible.

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200502822S

I dunno -- looks quite possible. From 1984 to 1995 is plenty of time to get married and have kids, but she'd still be within the age range for the UID. The facial resemblance is pretty strong. The height and weight fit. We know Wilkinson wore jewelry with her initials on it.

I found it odd that his wedding band is described as having the initials in it but hers doesn't -- usually when a couple does matching bands, they're both engraved the same way.

mtrooper
09-13-2010, 09:26 AM
There was also no mention of a tattoo on Jane Doe, Tammie Wilkinson has a tattoo of a blue "heart" with the initials "KN-TW" and an "arrow" through it on upper right bicep.

carbuff
09-13-2010, 09:43 AM
There was also no mention of a tattoo on Jane Doe, Tammie Wilkinson has a tattoo of a blue "heart" with the initials "KN-TW" and an "arrow" through it on upper right bicep.

Skeletal remains a year old wouldn't show tattoos, would they?

Wait, he had tattoos. But I was sure hers said partial skeletal...Let me go check that.

Okay, this is interesting. Her remains are described as "decomposed and mummified," and postmortem interval of about a year. His is one month.

RubyRed
09-13-2010, 12:45 PM
Skeletal remains a year old wouldn't show tattoos, would they?

Wait, he had tattoos. But I was sure hers said partial skeletal...Let me go check that.

Okay, this is interesting. Her remains are described as "decomposed and mummified," and postmortem interval of about a year. His is one month.

bbm

I think that is a mistake. I see where she was decomposed and mummified and he was decomposed but all I am seeing is that they were murdered around March 18, 1995 and found April 9, 1995 together, about 3 weeks. I think NamUS has it wrong.

He has tattoos ( Also he had a mustache )
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/419umok.html

https://identifyus.org/cases/5170


She doesn't have tattoos
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/332ufok.html

https://identifyus.org/cases/5174

carbuff
09-13-2010, 05:15 PM
bbm

I think that is a mistake. I see where she was decomposed and mummified and he was decomposed but all I am seeing is that they were murdered around March 18, 1995 and found April 9, 1995 together, about 3 weeks. I think NamUS has it wrong.

He has tattoos ( Also he had a mustache )
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/419umok.html

https://identifyus.org/cases/5170


She doesn't have tattoos
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/332ufok.html

https://identifyus.org/cases/5174

What, Namus make a mistake????? :waitasec:

I wonder why his reconstruction showed him bald, but doesn't show him with a mustache?

RubyRed
09-13-2010, 05:36 PM
What, Namus make a mistake????? :waitasec:

I wonder why his reconstruction showed him bald, but doesn't show him with a mustache?

bbm

If he had a mustache they should show him with one. moo

Claudette
09-13-2010, 07:43 PM
Age, height, weight etc all match Benjamin Cannon, and his disappearance may have something to do with a cult, perhaps he and the woman were wed in some type of cult ceremony and that is why they are not tied together, because no one knew they were married? I dunno lol

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/1969/4/

mtrooper
09-13-2010, 10:05 PM
Do you think Tammi is worth calling in? I am thinking if the remains were mummiffied, or if animals disturbed her it might not still be able to be seen. Namus lists her as "Not recognizable - Partial skeletal parts only" I am still very interested in the initials on the wedding ring.

carbuff
09-13-2010, 10:40 PM
Do you think Tammi is worth calling in? I am thinking if the remains were mummiffied, or if animals disturbed her it might not still be able to be seen. Namus lists her as "Not recognizable - Partial skeletal parts only" I am still very interested in the initials on the wedding ring.

I think it's worth a shot -- I agree that the tattoo might not have survived, and the rest is very close.

Claudette
09-13-2010, 11:47 PM
Are they engraved initials or a manufacturer's stamp? I was thinking it was a manufacturer's stamp as it mentioned it along with the 14k but didn't say anything about it being engraved. My engagement ring has a letter stamped in it but I don't know what it is for or what it means.

mtrooper
09-14-2010, 12:55 PM
Ok, Spoke with the ME's office and with LE from Kansas City. They both seem excited, and now we are waiting on a dental match. The Jane doe was decomposed too much to see any tattoo's. She was not in nearly as good of shape as the John Doe. She attributed it to body fat (the fatter you are the slower you decompose). The initals are only engraved in the ring the male was wearing. Hopefully we will know more soon dentals are available for both.

mtrooper
09-14-2010, 01:21 PM
Wow, that was quick. Not a match. Jane doe only had one filling and and Tammi had 4. Bummer. Back to the drawing board.

carbuff
09-14-2010, 01:37 PM
Wow, that was quick. Not a match. Jane doe only had one filling and and Tammi had 4. Bummer. Back to the drawing board.

Wow, it's good to know they cared enough to look so quickly. Thank you for calling it in!

justthinkin
09-14-2010, 02:58 PM
I don't know who these people are, but I can name someone who might have killed them, Angel Resendez Ramirez, executed in Huntville, Tx 2006. He was an illegal alien and serial killer from Mexico, and rode the rails from Texas to Kentucky, from California to Florida; active from 1986 to 1999 IIRC. Most of those he killed were within walking distance of a railroad. He variously used guns, knives, and blunt objects.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81ngel_Maturino_Res%C3%A9ndiz

justthinkin
09-14-2010, 03:12 PM
Resendez had a .38, and he was known to have ridden on the Union Pacific RR. I would imagine LE working this case knows all about Resendez.

kpdx
11-12-2012, 02:46 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1P6gI9i5SIM/ToMwemAa0II/AAAAAAAAAVk/_Vo7AGrpLnw/s1600/USA_Time+Zone+Map.gif

Map of time zones. Thinking since John's watch was set to Mt. Time might be from NM or CO?

traacker13
02-08-2013, 04:00 PM
I feel like Bobbi Campbell is a strong possibility based on her very unique teeth. She matches most of the UID's specifications as well:

What do you think?

Bobbi's NamUs page: https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/1363/9?current_page=case_information

ARGH! I can't add images at the moment. I've cropped the photo of Bobbi's teeth and put it next to the UID's and they are remarkably close.

tatertot
02-09-2013, 09:54 AM
The teeth do look remarkably close, though the missing woman left behind money in her car and that seems strange if she was alive and well several months later.

Has it ever been said whether the wedding rings were particularly expensive? They don't sound very fancy. High-end rings might not fit in to a scenario where a young couple ran away to get married and would need the money for traveling expenses or to get settled in their new place.

Soulmagent
02-12-2013, 01:07 AM
Sharon Redmon and her husband went missing in 1993 if dates are right ,shell casing were found to a small hand gun. Age is a bit out of range for her but I really wonder if they have compared this couple from virginia with the UID's . I will also mention I do not trust information list from OK ME's office to be correct on every account, but they most likely have two victims.

http://doenetwork.org/cases/823dfva.html

traacker13
02-13-2013, 02:38 PM
I feel like Bobbi Campbell is a strong possibility based on her very unique teeth. She matches most of the UID's specifications as well:

What do you think?

Bobbi's NamUs page: https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/1363/9?current_page=case_information

ARGH! I can't add images at the moment. I've cropped the photo of Bobbi's teeth and put it next to the UID's and they are remarkably close.

I was finally able to upload the photos. Thoughts?

carbuff
02-13-2013, 10:16 PM
I say send it in. That looks very close.

traacker13
02-14-2013, 06:23 PM
Thanks for taking a look, Tatertot and Carbuff. I will send it in and let everyone know what I hear back.

CherBearSTL
02-15-2013, 11:29 AM
I was finally able to upload the photos. Thoughts?

If the teeth are accurate, it looks like the front teeth overlap on the missing woman and they don't on the uid. That's all I noticed.

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traacker13
02-15-2013, 12:06 PM
If the teeth are accurate, it looks like the front teeth overlap on the missing woman and they don't on the uid. That's all I noticed.

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I can see that. Maybe it's the angle? It's hard to tell when the teeth are blurred (I think I can see somewhat of a gap but I'm not sure if it's as wide as the UID's). I guess we'll find out when LE responds. I'll keep looking for their email back and let everyone know if she's been ruled out or not.

carbuff
02-15-2013, 02:13 PM
If the teeth are accurate, it looks like the front teeth overlap on the missing woman and they don't on the uid. That's all I noticed.

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It looks like shadows to me...

notamisfit
02-17-2013, 09:15 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1P6gI9i5SIM/ToMwemAa0II/AAAAAAAAAVk/_Vo7AGrpLnw/s1600/USA_Time+Zone+Map.gif

Map of time zones. Thinking since John's watch was set to Mt. Time might be from NM or CO?

The Does were found after, and likely killed before, Daylight Savings Time went into effect. That probably explains the watch discrepancy.