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Doyle
12-05-2003, 05:41 AM
A federal prosecutor was found shot and stabbed to death in Pennsylvania on Thursday after failing to show up at the trial of an aspiring rapper and his former associate accused of dealing heroin, the judge in the case said. http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20031204_2090.html

Casshew
12-05-2003, 08:05 AM
:eek:

MrsMush99
12-05-2003, 10:35 AM
This is just awful!!! I couldn't believe it when I heard about this. While I was watching Greta last night they said that he got a call at midnight and left the house. I am sure that the phone call has something to do with his death.

So sad.:(

gsquared
12-05-2003, 02:43 PM
According to the latest in the Washington Post, Luna was NOT shot. He was stabbed numerous times, and according to the coroner, the cause of death was stab wounds and drowning.

He had left the office and was heading home just before midnight, not the other way around.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38782-2003Dec5.html

I have a friend at Arnold & Porter, Luna's old firm, and I think I may have actually met him at one of her parties, but it would have been years ago. I certainly cannot say that I actually knew Jonathan Luna other than in passing. I feel terrible for his family and his friends.

MissMisty
12-05-2003, 11:16 PM
Jonathan Luna. That is his name. Isn't anyone outraged about this? A prosecuter trying to put scumbags behind bars is brutally stabbed and dumped in the water where he drowned. Hideous.
Misty

Doyle
12-06-2003, 05:57 AM
Assistant U.S. Attorney Jonathan P. Luna (search) was "brutalized with multiple stab wounds" and left to drown in the Pennsylvania creek where his body was found, a coroner said Friday
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,104963,00.html


was this rapper involved? or was it a previous criminal? Hopefully there is some evidence.

yes, I am outraged...by this, and many other acts.

gsquared
12-06-2003, 11:15 AM
This is absolutely hideous. I hope they catch and fry the scum who did this.

mindys
12-06-2003, 10:38 PM
I have no doubt they will catch the perp(s) who committed this hideous crime. This victim was one of the truly good guys out there!

Old Broad
12-06-2003, 11:00 PM
A terrible loss of life!!!
We often forget how many people are out there putting their life on the line to protect society.
I hope the guilty are found soon!

gsquared
12-07-2003, 12:21 PM
Reports in the Washington Post today say they are looking into Luna's personal life as well as his professional life. Apparently he had made previous trips toPennsylvania, although for what reason it not known.

mindys
12-07-2003, 08:42 PM
This is not good:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,105039,00.html

Doyle
12-08-2003, 05:59 AM
Pennsylvania cops looking into the brutal murder of federal prosecutor Jonathan Luna yesterday focused on a trail of ATM withdrawals made with Luna's cash card in the hours surrounding his mysterious death.
http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/12773.htm

gsquared
12-08-2003, 11:27 AM
I doubt it was really this Jonathan Luna on a sex website. He would not have used his real name! And since his credit card was used at a mall hours after his death, we know that robbery was at least a partial motive.

gsquared
12-08-2003, 11:31 AM
This is odd - one news story says there were almost no defensive wounds, suggesting more than one assailant, another story said Luna fought for his life, that he had many defensive wounds. News stories also say he left his glasses and cell phone on his desk, suggesting that he planned to return to his office. So, was he forced to go to his car, abducted while still in his office buidling? Lured to his car somehow? Lured outside then forced to take his car out of the parking garage?

Doyle
12-09-2003, 05:49 AM
Fed attorney knew his murderer
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/story/143788p-127275c.html

MysteryAddict
12-09-2003, 03:16 PM
We definitely have a fascinating murder mystery here.

My question is-how can we even get a handle on the
timeline when there are so many conflicting reports?
In the above links-

One says "Luna left his Baltimore home just before
midnight after getting a mysterious call on his cell phone."

Another says "Luna left his home early in the evening and
went back to his office to work on papers in the plea
bargain. He was there until around midnight."

Confusion right from the start!

gsquared
12-09-2003, 04:24 PM
The reliable papers - Washington Post, etc., put Luna in his office, leaving there sometime before midnight, driving alone toward PA, passing through an EX Pass on a highway in Delaware heading north toward PA. He withdrew cash from an ATM and got gas and was acting normally - not under duress - during those transactions. He was filmed by a camera at the ATM machine. A gas station attendant did not notice anyone with him, but also did not look directly into the car.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47733-2003Dec8.html

>>Luna left the Baltimore federal courthouse about 11:30 p.m. Wednesday in his silver Honda Accord. Sometime after midnight, he was recorded by an ATM camera in Newark, Del., and seemed to be acting normally as he withdrew money, a law enforcement official said.

A couple of hours later, it appeared to a worker that Luna was alone when he got out of his car at a gas station in King of Prussia, Pa., law enforcement sources said. <<


Luna left his glasses and cell phone in his office. No one knows why. Cell phone equipment (I assume a charger and the handsfree device) were found in his car, but not the phone itself.

The FBI website has a photo of Luna's car.

http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/seekinfo/luna.htm

BTW, another Assistant United States Attorney was mysteriously murdered a two years ago - Thomas Wales, shot in his home in Seattle on October 11, 2001.

http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/seekinfo/wales.htm

MysteryAddict
12-09-2003, 08:37 PM
Thanks for the clarification on the time.

It is interesting to learn that he was acting normally-
"not under duress" as he withdrew cash
and got gas on his way to Lancaster.

It sounds like he was heading there to meet
someone not knowing what terrible fate was
to befall him when he arrived.

nanandjim
12-09-2003, 10:17 PM
From what I have read, I agree that he was going to meet someone. Perhaps, he withdrew cash to pay for a sexual rendezvous.

Do you think that he was set up by a woman who he had met before? Could she have been married? Perhaps, her husband/boyfriend forced her to call him and arrange a meeting. When he arrived, he was ambushed. It has been reported that his genitals were severely damaged. Sounds like another guy would do this, don't you think?

MysteryAddict
12-09-2003, 11:57 PM
Whoever did this murder had an intense
hatred of Luna for some reason-It was up
close, personal and fierce!

It wasn't done just to get him out of the way.
This could have been accomplished by one
shot to the head.

If it's true about the genital injuries,
it would seem the motive had to do with
Luna's sexual activities.

mindys
12-10-2003, 03:00 AM
This one is something else! Hatred doensn't describe this. He did something way bad to someone.

Doyle
12-10-2003, 06:05 AM
Authorities working to solve the mysterious slaying of a Baltimore federal prosecutor are examining his personal relationships with women and possible financial and work-related problems, a law enforcement official said yesterday.
http://www.sunspot.net/news/local/bal-te.md.luna09dec09,0,7717163.story?coll=bal-local-headlines

Maryland federal prosecutor Jonathan Luna withdrew $200 from an ATM in Delaware in the hours before he was dumped in a creek to drown after a vicious knife attack, sources close to the investigation told CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/12/09/prosecutor.slaying/index.html

There was no indication that a federal prosecutor was restrained or tied up when he was stabbed 36 times and left to drown in a Pennsylvania creek, a doctor who examined him said Tuesday.
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/103-12092003-210331.html

gsquared
12-10-2003, 12:15 PM
The reports say he was kneed or kicked in the genitals - there was microscopic bleeding there.

Off the top of my head - the $200 withdrawl, the multiple stab wounds, the knee in the balls, the out of the way place, everything seemingly happening in the car, no duress, Luna travelling alone...

It all adds up to this, IMO...he got some cash and picked up a hooker. For whatever reason, things got ugly and the hooker or her pimp killed him.

MysteryAddict
12-10-2003, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by gsquared
The reports say he was kneed or kicked in the genitals - there was microscopic bleeding there.

Off the top of my head - the $200 withdrawl, the multiple stab wounds, the knee in the balls, the out of the way place, everything seemingly happening in the car, no duress, Luna travelling alone...

It all adds up to this, IMO...he got some cash and picked up a hooker. For whatever reason, things got ugly and the hooker or her pimp killed him.



The coroner didn't mention injury to the genitals.
(doesn't mean it's not true, just not mentioned)

"Dr. Barry Walp, the Lancaster County coroner, said all of Assistant U.S. Attorney Jonathan Luna's stab wounds were his neck and the front of his chest, including several deep neck wounds that caused internal bleeding."

"Police found Luna fully dressed, including a suit jacket
and overcoat. The only things in Luna's pockets were a
few loose bills, Walp said."

It's hard to believe that he drove 2 1/2 hours
(an indirect route) just to pick up a hooker.
Surely they are in supply much closer to home.

Just my humble opinion

MysteryAddict
12-11-2003, 02:49 PM
New Info on Luna-
He bought gas for 2 cars at the Sunoco station in
King of Prussia!!!
Hopefully they will have some info soon on that
2nd car!
Maybe this is why he went out of his way on this
trip because he met up with someone there.
Elsewhere I read that after his body was found,
someone used his credit card in King of Prussia.
Maybe that was the same person whose car he
bought gas for earlier?????
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted on Wed, Dec. 10, 2003

Probe in death of prosecutor returns to Montco area
By Oliver Prichard and Jeff Shields
Inquirer Staff Writers

Less than three hours before his death in central Pennsylvania, federal prosecutor Jonathan P. Luna stopped at a King of Prussia service station to buy gas for his car and a second vehicle, according to a station attendant.

Luna, 38, of Elkridge, Md., was found about 5:30 a.m. Thursday in rural Brecknock Township, stabbed 36 times and drowned in an icy creek. His bloodstained Honda Accord was idling nearby.

Investigators have zeroed in on a Sunoco service station at the King of Prussia service plaza off the Pennsylvania Turnpike.

An attendant at the station, Moustapha Balde, said late last night that Luna seemed calm as he bought gas shortly after 3 a.m. the day he was killed.

Later, Balde said, after FBI agents had visited the station, it became clear from sales records that Luna had used his credit card to pay at the pump for his car and also a second vehicle.

nanandjim
12-11-2003, 05:25 PM
Still believe Luna could have been set up by the person he was meeting. Perhaps, they were headed to their 'usual' spot and her boyfriend/husband and his friends were laying in wait until they arrived....You know the rest of the story. ....Maybe, if this is the case...she will eventually come forward...

MysteryAddict
12-12-2003, 06:34 PM
Slain Prosecutor Struggled Before Death

Friday, December 12, 2003

BALTIMORE Jonathan Luna (search) did not go down without a fight. That's what law enforcement officials were saying after they discovered blood from a second person in the car of the assistant U.S. attorney, whose body was found in a creek in rural Lancaster County, Pa., last week.
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Sounds like good news that they have evidence of
blood from a second person in Luna's car!

Now we just need a suspect to match it to.

gsquared
12-15-2003, 02:54 PM
I don't what to make of this case. He bought gas for his killer willingly? That means he knew and trusted the person, and for some reason, they got into an argument that led to his murder. Were they lovers on their way to a rendevous, and maybe the woman became angry that he hadn't left his wife or something? Or maybe it was a man in the other car, and Luna was involved in something illegal, and his "partner" killed him? Or maybe Luna had done something in the past and was being blackmailed.

Doyle
12-16-2003, 05:23 AM
Family, friends and colleagues of Jonathan P. Luna, the federal prosecutor found slain this month in Pennsylvania, gathered Monday for a funeral in Columbia that attracted about 1,000 people
http://www.sunspot.net/news/local/bal-luna1215,0,685015.story?coll=bal-local-headlines

gsquared
12-16-2003, 10:25 AM
Here is the Post's coverage of Jonathan Luna's funeral:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3013-2003Dec15.html

MysteryAddict
12-16-2003, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by gsquared
Here is the Post's coverage of Jonathan Luna's funeral:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3013-2003Dec15.html

Has anyone seen a picture of his wife, Angela or
heard any comments made by her?
I notice that in the Washington Post picture of the
mourners there are no women shown.
Can we assume she is a doctor since she was in
Medical School when they met?

Imon128
12-16-2003, 04:52 PM
gsquared, that must be somewhat of a difficult story to keep abreast of, in your occupation. Very scary people out there, yikes!

bluehawaii25
12-16-2003, 10:52 PM
I believe I read his wife is an obstetrician. I haven't heard of any comments made publically by her or saw her picture either.

gsquared
12-17-2003, 03:54 PM
I have never seen a picture of the wife or kids in the paper, only a picture of Luna's father, I believe. They are probably requesting that such photos not be shown both for privacy and security reasons. Nobody knows yet exactly what happened to Luna or why.

MysteryAddict
12-17-2003, 07:26 PM
Relating to the Luna case-
Tonight I heard just a snippit on NBC news that
a turnpike receipt at the Lancaster exit had blood
on it.
Anyone have any details on this?

gsquared
12-18-2003, 12:10 PM
I have not heard ONE PEEP on this case since the funeral. That itself is interesting.

Pepper
12-20-2003, 04:09 PM
I heard on TV that many of the stab wounds were in his genitals. I'm betting that this crime was sex related, and the perp was a male, not a female hooker. Perhaps male jilted lover or possibly male hooker, though woulnds sound like a crime of passion, so I'll lean toward Luna was living a double life - wife & kids, plus male lover on the side.

gsquared
12-20-2003, 04:19 PM
Stab wounds in the genitals? Yuck.

That could be and angry male lover or an angry female lover. Don't forget ... the Lorena Bobbit thing took place around here, in Prince William County, VA. Maybe he was seeng Lorena.

Pepper
12-20-2003, 04:56 PM
True gsquared, how could we forget Lorena Bobbit! But Lorena's husband was asleep at the time of her infamous incident. I just don't think a female could overpower him enough to do 36 stab wounds. It will be interesting to see what they uncover.

MysteryAddict
12-20-2003, 08:45 PM
Originally posted by Pepper
I heard on TV that many of the stab wounds were in his genitals. I'm betting that this crime was sex related, and the perp was a male, not a female hooker. Perhaps male jilted lover or possibly male hooker, though woulnds sound like a crime of passion, so I'll lean toward Luna was living a double life - wife & kids, plus male lover on the side.

Pepper,

What you say you heard on TV is most surprising to me,
since the coroner only described stab wounds to the
neck and chest!

Have you seen this other info in print anywhere?

This is astounding that "stab wounds to the genitals"
was reported. Of course it could be true, who knows,
if it is further info leaked from the coroner's office.

But why issue the initial report that stab wounds were
only to the neck and chest?

Pepper
12-20-2003, 10:14 PM
Can't say that I've seen it in print either. This is a most bizarre case. Since it involves a federal prosecutor, there may not be much leaked evidence. Wish I could remember where I heard the part about most of the wounds being in the genital area - probably on Fox News, but just caught a snippit.

gsquared
12-22-2003, 04:05 PM
Here's an article from the Post on Saturday about the case. The print edition had a map showing the corcuitous route he took. I wish they had the map on line!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17950-2003Dec20.html

civilatty
12-22-2003, 09:57 PM
OK - I'm hoping there is an explanation for this crime that does not besmirch this man's reputation, for the sake of his adoring family.

That said, picture this: he picks up a hooker and they park to get it on. Girly looking hooker has a penis or is a Tranny of some sort. Lawyer gets pissed, they scuffle and the he-hooker stabs him. Would explain the ability to overpower and attention to genital area.

Edited to add query - where did the killer go?? Wouldn't someone remember seeing someone walking or hitchhiking in the area? was there another car?

MysteryAddict
12-22-2003, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by gsquared
Here's an article from the Post on Saturday about the case. The print edition had a map showing the corcuitous route he took. I wish they had the map on line!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17950-2003Dec20.html

Thank you so much for posting this link. It's really good
to know that the Washington post is interested in and
following the story.

When even a college roommate describes a guy as
"honorable and always dignified" he doesn't sound
like the type to be involved with a hooker.

So- until I hear more facts from a reliable source such as
The Post, I'm going to hesitate to blame Luna's murder
on some sleazy act on his part.

gsquared
12-23-2003, 12:16 PM
Civitatty, I was thinking the exact same thing about a hooker turned male. But then I thought - why the weird driving route? I wondered if maybe Luna was following someone, or being followed and trying to throw someone off this trail? The driving route makes no sense at all. If you're going to pick up a hooker, you don't have to go hundreds of miles out of your way to do it.

nanandjim
12-23-2003, 02:19 PM
Because Luna had one of those EZPasses, he didn't need to turn in a ticket to get off the turnpike. So, someone else was probably driving his car at this point. There probably was also another car and person(s) involved. How else would the person exit the crime scene? I sure hope that they catch who did this.

MysteryAddict
12-23-2003, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by nanandjim
Because Luna had one of those EZPasses, he didn't need to turn in a ticket to get off the turnpike. So, someone else was probably driving his car at this point. There probably was also another car and person(s) involved. How else would the person exit the crime scene? I sure hope that they catch who did this.


BINGO!!!!
That makes total sense!

He was not driving and must have already been
injured at that point!
I'm thinking there may have been several involved
since the pool of blood was on the floor in the back.
That would mean we need a driver, a guy in the back
with Luna and someone following in another car for
the getaway.

luthersmama
12-24-2003, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by Pepper
Can't say that I've seen it in print either. This is a most bizarre case. Since it involves a federal prosecutor, there may not be much leaked evidence. Wish I could remember where I heard the part about most of the wounds being in the genital area - probably on Fox News, but just caught a snippit.


The Philadelphia Inquirer had a story that said that the reports of genital wounds was untrue. He had "light bruising" in that area, consistent with being kicked, but no stab wounds.

I can't buy the hooker theory, simply because there would be no earthly reason for a guy from Baltimore to meet a hooker in Lancaster County. There is apparently some evidence that he had been to that area recently, but there is no "business" explanation for it. Also doesn't make sense that he would work until 11:30, then take off to go meet a hooker for a quickie someplace in PA when he was due in court bright and early the next morning. If he was kidnapped, it must have happend AFTER he stopped for gas in King of Prussia. The clerk said he was fine at that point.

I am inclined to believe that he owed somebody alot of money. He met them near King of Prussia with the cash he had picked up in Delaware, but they were not satisfied. Two of them got control of him and his vehicle at that point and got on the Turnpike at the Valley Forge on ramp. Another guy followed in another car. During the hour or so it took to get to the Denver exit, he was stabbed. They got off at Denver, dumped him in the creek (which is visible from the turnpike) and hopped into the other car and were home shortly thereafter.

If his intended destination was King of Prussia, he could have expected to make the round trip in about 3 hours if he went 80 or so. I think he planned to meet the guys, give them a "down payment" and get back to Baltimore in time to catch a couple hours of sleep and still show up in court on time.

MysteryAddict
12-24-2003, 10:06 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by luthersmama
[B]The Philadelphia Inquirer had a story that said that the reports of genital wounds was untrue. He had "light bruising" in that area, consistent with being kicked, but no stab wounds.



Thanks for that info from the Inquirer.
Hopefully now we can put to rest the
gossip about the genital stab wounds.

Also, I agree this had nothing to do with
a hooker and may well have to do with
revenge or blackmail.

poco
01-18-2004, 11:11 AM
Is anyone following this case or have an interest in it??? Is there anywhere on the forum that it is being discussed, as I cannot seem to locate anything.

Here is some information as to what I have

http://pages.prodigy.net/kris.baker/luna.html

http://207.36.4.219/forums/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=7

nanandjim
01-18-2004, 10:28 PM
Is anyone following this case or have an interest in it???
Aloha, Poco :) - I am interested in this case. I wish they could figure out who killed him. Please continue to post any info that you find on the case. Mahalo in advance!

Arctic
01-19-2004, 12:29 AM
Poco, I'm interested in this case and would appreciate any updates. Thanks

poco
01-19-2004, 09:06 AM
I think this may be a very interesting case to follow - here is another link

http://207.36.4.219/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=126792

Some of this sounds --- of so familiar ---

poco
01-19-2004, 09:39 AM
Apparently, from what I have been able to gather, he was at home, got a call late in the evening - went into his office, then left his office at 11:30 p.m., leaving his cell phone and glasses on his desk, and headed northeast to the Philadelphia area, where he had made several non-work-related trips during the past few months. He then drove West on the Turnpike towards Lancaster County, where he was found dead about 5:30 a.m.

He left Baltimore, driving Northeast towards Philadelphia when, instead, he could of just shot up I-83 to York Pa and then over to Ephrata, almost a straight shot. Why the circuitous route?

A direct route from Baltimore to Lancaster County covers about 100 miles and would take under two hours. The route Luna took, however, covered about 135 miles and would have taken about 2 hours.

Arctic
01-19-2004, 09:55 AM
Poco - that link takes me to the reply screen of Websleuths.

This is only my third post and I'm still trying to figure out the bells and whistles.

Anyway, I was wondering if you think Jonathan Luna's murder is related to his occupation or a 'secret life' ?

Arctic

WhiteWolf
01-19-2004, 11:35 AM
Bumping this up for the members interested in the Luna case.

poco
01-19-2004, 12:00 PM
Bumping this up for the members interested in the Luna case.

Thanks for the bump. I had started on thread on this entitled Jonathan Luna (his name, of course), as I didn't see where anyone had been discussing. I find this case interesting and see others are interested as well.

Let's keep up the discussion.

poco
01-19-2004, 12:10 PM
MISSING PROSECUTOR FOUND SHOT - is another thread that was started before this one in regards to this case. Obviously, I didn't see it when I started this one - let those of us who are interested in this case continue our discussion under that thread as there are more posts there and we can just continue with that. Sorry for the confusion!

poco
01-19-2004, 12:13 PM
Apparently he was already at home when he got a telephone call which prompted him to go back to his office - when he left the office about 11:00 or 11:30 or so is when the mysterious trip began. Did he receive a call from his office of some sort??? I'm sure LE has already gotten the phone records from that evening. Other questions I have -

Where does he live in reference to his office? Where is Howard County?
Who called him at home to have him return to his office?
What happened next?

The circuitous route is what confuses me. I am from that area, know it quite well, and it does not make any sense to me.

strach304
01-19-2004, 12:31 PM
Another car was involved in my opinion indicating one of two possiblities; an affair in which the husband or boyfriend followed to possible meeting or a meeting with a supposed informant pertaining to a case. Wouldn't be the first prosecutor killed in Balto. and 95 is so easy to access all the areas he drove that night.

poco
01-19-2004, 12:59 PM
Another car was involved in my opinion indicating one of two possiblities; an affair in which the husband or boyfriend followed to possible meeting or a meeting with a supposed informant pertaining to a case. Wouldn't be the first prosecutor killed in Balto. and 95 is so easy to access all the areas he drove that night.

He was seen, however, quite a few times along the route, buying gas, withdrawing money from the ATM, stopping at a comfort station and buying food and drinks, etc etc and was apparently alone then.

I'm wondering where he came into contact with the KILLER???

Couldn't have been a husband or BF - how would they have know JL as at his office - how would they know JL planned to meet his "lover" afterwards.... And, even it he was followed by a husband or BF, why did JL take such a strange route???? Plus, it seems like an awful late night when you are expected in court the following morning at 9 1.m.

Toth
01-19-2004, 01:02 PM
Another car was involved Quite possibly another car, certainly another driver. I dont think he was the driver who went through the toll booth but paid cash instead of using the electronic windshield pass.
It was a set up, but it was not because he was a prosecutor. I think it may have been just a sex thing. He went to a freeway rest area to meet someone but that was just 'bait'. He was the target. Or something happened after the meeting that was more 'emotional' than 'financial'. He may have thought he was meeting a woman but found out it was a hormone-laden male. Or a woman whose boyfriend robbed her clients.

nanandjim
01-19-2004, 02:54 PM
What if he got a call from his distressed girlfriend who said that her husband/boyfriend had just beaten her up and she needed his help? What if he was going to pick her up and give her the cash to give a room for the night? Playing on this theory, perhaps the girlfriend had found evidence of Luna (emails, cards or whatever) and beat her up and forced her to call him and get him over there. Hopefully, LE has evidence of who called him. I would think the last person calling him is connected to this crime.

poco
01-19-2004, 06:51 PM
If he was meeting someone that night (or thought he was), he must have been one HORNY guy - he had to be in court the next morning bright and early - that is what I don't understand - he was just gonna drive all that distance for a QUICKIE????

gsquared
01-20-2004, 11:51 AM
I read the Washington Post every day and I have been keeping a special lookout for anything on the Luna case but there has been NOTHING.

poco
01-20-2004, 12:13 PM
I read the Washington Post every day and I have been keeping a special lookout for anything on the Luna case but there has been NOTHING.

Thanks Square, I'm counting on you to keep us posted......

poco
01-22-2004, 07:24 PM
The reports say he was kneed or kicked in the genitals - there was microscopic bleeding there.

Off the top of my head - the $200 withdrawl, the multiple stab wounds, the knee in the balls, the out of the way place, everything seemingly happening in the car, no duress, Luna travelling alone...

It all adds up to this, IMO...he got some cash and picked up a hooker. For whatever reason, things got ugly and the hooker or her pimp killed him.


Yeah, but still doesn't make sense to me.
1) Like someone else mentioned, he could have picked up a hooker in Baltimore - much closer than home - than drive all the way to King of Prussia or wherever.
2) I still don't get it - he had to be in court the next morning at 0900. He must have been quite horny - especially when he could have gone home to his wife!

Too weird........... I hope we hear something soon.

gsquared
01-24-2004, 01:13 PM
Was that late night call to his cell phone or home phone? If to his cell, it would be easily traceable. I'm not sure if a local call to a land line is as easily traceable.

poco
01-24-2004, 01:35 PM
The Philadelphia Inquirer had a story that said that the reports of genital wounds was untrue. He had "light bruising" in that area, consistent with being kicked, but no stab wounds.

I can't buy the hooker theory, simply because there would be no earthly reason for a guy from Baltimore to meet a hooker in Lancaster County. There is apparently some evidence that he had been to that area recently, but there is no "business" explanation for it. Also doesn't make sense that he would work until 11:30, then take off to go meet a hooker for a quickie someplace in PA when he was due in court bright and early the next morning. If he was kidnapped, it must have happend AFTER he stopped for gas in King of Prussia. The clerk said he was fine at that point.

I am inclined to believe that he owed somebody alot of money. He met them near King of Prussia with the cash he had picked up in Delaware, but they were not satisfied. Two of them got control of him and his vehicle at that point and got on the Turnpike at the Valley Forge on ramp. Another guy followed in another car. During the hour or so it took to get to the Denver exit, he was stabbed. They got off at Denver, dumped him in the creek (which is visible from the turnpike) and hopped into the other car and were home shortly thereafter.

If his intended destination was King of Prussia, he could have expected to make the round trip in about 3 hours if he went 80 or so. I think he planned to meet the guys, give them a "down payment" and get back to Baltimore in time to catch a couple hours of sleep and still show up in court on time.

I tend to agree with you - that he owed money to someone - I did hear he had debts, maybe credit card, I don't recall, up to $25,000 - was he into gambling?? What was he spending all this money on??

There was a phone call that he received at home that made him return to his office - then there was a call to his office - what was that about???

Here is a timeline ---- also talks about the phone calls----
http://pages.prodigy.net/kris.baker/luna.html

SieSie
02-11-2004, 12:15 AM
Bumping this - wonder why we haven't heard anything more yet.

nanandjim
02-14-2004, 12:04 PM
I read on CN2000 that the investigators have found the pen knife that made the injuries on Luna's body. They are now investigating the possibility of suicide. I don't buy suicide.

mindys
02-14-2004, 03:23 PM
One of the shows did an update on this case mid-week. They said there is a female FBI agent being investigated, they are not saying wether there was an affair between them, (it was implied), but that she was giving him a lot of information on cases. I'll look for a link.

Edited to add, from the 2/13 Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38588-2004Feb13.html

LovelyPigeon
02-14-2004, 07:12 PM
Luna's penknife found, he was likely stabbed with it:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-md.luna13feb13,0,3735468.story?coll=bal-local-headlines

poco
02-14-2004, 09:32 PM
Loan application

In recent days, investigators have again turned their attention to the unsolved disappearance of about $36,000 introduced as evidence in a bank robbery trial that Luna prosecuted in September 2002. Authorities have not linked the missing cash to Luna or to his death, but investigators now are examining a loan application that Luna filled out online about the time of the trial.

The loan application was for about $30,000, and it was canceled not long after the period when the evidence money was discovered missing, according to a federal law enforcement source. Authorities have determined that at the time of his death, Luna had credit card debts of about $25,000 -- and that he had as many as 16 credit card accounts, some that he held without his wife's knowledge.

Hmmmmmmm, interesting..... Very coincidental, IMO.

SieSie
02-18-2004, 01:43 AM
I don't buy that it was suicide at all. I'm glad they're looking at every angle, but surely with him paying for gas for 2 vehicles, another blood type being found in the car... they must know there was someone else there and that it was indeed murder. Need way more information before I can even begin to contemplate this tragedy.

poco
02-18-2004, 06:59 AM
I heard later Siesie that the buying of gas for two cars was not true - he only bought gas for one car - I can't remember where I read it, but I did!

gsquared
02-18-2004, 03:51 PM
Wow. If he stole evidence money, maybe it was to pay off a loan shark and wasn't enough. That could get you killed, but so far as I know, the mob doesn't use pen knives.

SieSie
02-19-2004, 12:37 AM
I heard later Siesie that the buying of gas for two cars was not true - he only bought gas for one car - I can't remember where I read it, but I did!

K, Poco, thanks for that update. I'm from Lancaster County where his body was found - I live in Michigan now, though. The rest of my family is still there, but I still haven't heard much about this case except for when they first found his body.

poco
02-19-2004, 05:45 AM
K, Poco, thanks for that update. I'm from Lancaster County where his body was found - I live in Michigan now, though. The rest of my family is still there, but I still haven't heard much about this case except for when they first found his body.

WOW Siesie, I'm from Lancaster Co, too, but live in Florida now. Of course, my whole family still resides up there!!! Brrrrrr - too cold for me (of course, Michigan is probably even colder).

SieSie
02-24-2004, 11:56 AM
WOW Siesie, I'm from Lancaster Co, too, but live in Florida now. Of course, my whole family still resides up there!!! Brrrrrr - too cold for me (of course, Michigan is probably even colder).

No kidding Poco?! Cool! I was born and raised there, but moved to Michigan when I was 19 (about 16 years ago). What school district did you go to? I lived in the Hempfield school district, but graduated from a private school on Lincoln Hwy. East.

Maybe we grew up together?! LOL!

poco
03-03-2004, 08:45 AM
No kidding Poco?! Cool! I was born and raised there, but moved to Michigan when I was 19 (about 16 years ago). What school district did you go to? I lived in the Hempfield school district, but graduated from a private school on Lincoln Hwy. East.

Maybe we grew up together?! LOL!

Still wondering why there isn't any news AT ALL on this case.....

Anyway, Siesie - I, too, was born and raised in Lancaster until the age of 15, when we moved to Texas. We lived in Hempfield and, of course, I attended Hempfield until the middle of 10th grade. We lived in Golden Acres which is off of Nolt Road. Moved to Texas, lived there for umpteen years, then back to Lancaster for 17 years.... Now I'm in Florida and have been here for 1 1/2 years; I think I'm staying.

What year did you graduate????

gsquared
03-08-2004, 11:13 AM
There is an article in the Washington Post today saying that Luna mayhave killed himself:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38940-2004Mar7.html

If he was in severe debt and had stolen money from the evidence room, he might have killed himself out of shame and tried to make it look like murder so his family would get life insurance proceeds. I am curious to know whether he had life insurance policies from his employment and anywhere else, and whether they forbade payouts for suicides.

mindys
03-09-2004, 12:08 AM
Have they ever revealed the identity of the caller who rang him right before he left home that night. Was that call the female FBI agent above??

SieSie
03-10-2004, 11:55 PM
On The Record with Greta right now - they are looking at the possibility that this was a suicide!! Dr. Baden talking - no other tire marks or shoe prints in the area.

Kasey2
03-12-2004, 09:15 AM
There is supposed to be a press conference in Baltimore this afternoon (3/12) held by the FBI and the PA State Police to address the Luna case.

I wonder if they are going to announce that it has been found to be a suicide. Supposedly, a lot of the initial information that came out about Luna's last hours was incorrect, possibly due to his attempt to protect and benefit his family by making his death look like a homicide.

MysteryAddict
03-12-2004, 04:26 PM
Finally News On The Luna Case!

I've been waiting and wondering since December why no word on Luna.

Then today I heard on Fox that the FBI is offering a reward of up to
$100,000 for information about his death!!

They were asking for anyone who saw his car anywhere along the
route or at the rest stop to notify the FBI.

Why, I wonder, would they wait so darn long to do this?

My personal opinion is that he didn't commit suicide with his pen knife.

I believe he was murdered and sure hope they catch whoever did it!

fran
03-13-2004, 03:06 PM
I can't believe the FBI hasn't been able to solve this case by now. Shouldn't they have all the latest technics and equipment? What the heck!!
This case is puzzeling. It's hard to sleuth effectively, IMO, when you just have facts from the media, AND THEY'RE CONTRADICTORY of one another at best and or just plain wrong in the facts reported.
What stands out at me are a few things.
1. He left that cell message for the other attorney that he was going home for a little while but would return to his office and have the papers he was working on completed and faxed to him.
2. He left his cell phone at the office.
This tells me he was planning on being at the office later AND he, IMO, had plans on being right back (which was why he didn't take his cell). This guy was an attorney, they never go anywhere for any length of time without their cell phone.
The missing evidence $$ AND the loan application AND the credit card debt is curious. IMO, it's possible he had a gambling problem. I don't want to besmirch him, he seems, from all accounts, like a good man. But, we all have our secrets. Some, just more than others.
I don't see how someone could stab themself that many times and have it be suicide. Doesn't make sense to me. Plus, why did they find or link the pen knife or whatever as the weapon used so long AFTER the crime? Why didn't they say it was the weapon from the get-go?
I'm not sure what it is, but I would be willing to bet that at least that credit card debt has something to do with the crime. Not that a cc company would do this to a customer, but the REASON for the debt connected to the crime.
JMHO
fran

poco
03-17-2004, 08:24 AM
S U I C I D E ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Hmmmmmm, I don't think so!

LovelyPigeon
03-18-2004, 12:04 PM
from the Intelligencer-Journal:
Dr. Gary Kirchner, the county coroner, said the autopsy report is clear.

"Luna was stabbed 36 times and died from freshwater drowning," Kirchner said. "There just isn't any way this is a suicide."

Retired Coroner Dr. Barry Walp, who pronounced Luna dead Dec. 4, agreed.

"It's still a homicide," Walp said. "I don't know where this
stuff about suicide is coming from."

LovelyPigeon
03-18-2004, 12:18 PM
I'm theorizing that Luna picked up the wrong prostitute, either male or female, and ended up stabbed with his own pocketknife.

Prostitute leaves the vehicle, Luna drives away bleeding. Loss of blood eventually leads to his driving off the side of the road, and into the shallow creek.

He stumbles from his car, falls face down into the creek, and drowns in shallow water, no strength left to pick himself back up.

poco
03-18-2004, 03:25 PM
I'm theorizing that Luna picked up the wrong prostitute, either male or female, and ended up stabbed with his own pocketknife.

Prostitute leaves the vehicle, Luna drives away bleeding. Loss of blood eventually leads to his driving off the side of the road, and into the shallow creek.

He stumbles from his car, falls face down into the creek, and drowns in shallow water, no strength left to pick himself back up.

So why drive all the way to SE PA for a hooker? Are they better there?

MysteryAddict
03-19-2004, 04:05 PM
So why drive all the way to SE PA for a hooker? Are they better there?


Good question POCO!


I love your gardening cartoon!

Mystery Addict

poco
03-19-2004, 08:25 PM
Good question POCO!


I love your gardening cartoon!

Mystery Addict

Thanks, I draw them all myself!

:liar:

LovelyPigeon
03-19-2004, 10:12 PM
Why drive to PA at all? Maybe he didn't want to be caught in his own district.

I dunno.

What's your theory?

poco
03-22-2004, 07:03 AM
Why drive to PA at all? Maybe he didn't want to be caught in his own district.

I dunno.

What's your theory?

Caught doing what????

My theory???? Hmmmm...... Whenever someone posts what they think might have happened, I disagree. Yet, I have no idea what I think might have happened. I need more clues!!!!

Who called him at home that evening to make him return to the office?
Why did he leave his cell phone and wallet at the office when he left for his "journey?"
Why did he take such a circuitous route if his intentions were to end up in Ephrata, PA?

I wish we would hear more on this!!!

mindys
03-22-2004, 11:26 AM
Who called him at home that evening to make him return to the office?
That's what I want to know!

LovelyPigeon
03-22-2004, 03:49 PM
poco, I don't know about wallet or cell phone left behind.

Walp said Luna was dressed in a suit and overcoat, and had his wallet with identification and cash, but it was unclear whether he had been robbed.

Money and cell phone equipment also were found inside his car, which had blood on the driver's side door and fender and a large pool of blood on the floor, according to a police search warrant application. The affidavit said Luna also had a "traumatic wound" on the right side of his head.

poco
03-23-2004, 08:04 AM
poco, I don't know about wallet or cell phone left behind.

Walp said Luna was dressed in a suit and overcoat, and had his wallet with identification and cash, but it was unclear whether he had been robbed.

Money and cell phone equipment also were found inside his car, which had blood on the driver's side door and fender and a large pool of blood on the floor, according to a police search warrant application. The affidavit said Luna also had a "traumatic wound" on the right side of his head.

One of the very first articles on this indicated that he left his cell phone and keys (sorry, it was keys, not wallet) at his office. It is written in one of the links attached to one of the first few threads. I knew I remembered reading about it - just have had time to search out which newspaper actually wrote about this.

Also, they said money and CELL PHONE EQUIPMENT were found inside his car - not necessarily a cell phone.

If I have time later to day I will try to track down the exact link.

LovelyPigeon
03-23-2004, 03:55 PM
The only article I could find Googling was from the NY Post (tabloid), which said Luna left his cell phone and glasses behind in his office.

The same article also said that Luna was severely beaten, which turned out not to be true.

It's true that none of the articles state that a cell phone was found in the car--they all say "cell phone equipment".

poco
03-23-2004, 03:59 PM
The only article I could find Googling was from the NY Post (tabloid), which said Luna left his cell phone and glasses behind in his office.

The same article also said that Luna was severely beaten, which turned out not to be true.

It's true that none of the articles state that a cell phone was found in the car--they all say "cell phone equipment".

Hmmmmmm, so what can we deduce from this?????????????? Nothing, I guess. lol

Pepper
11-07-2004, 11:11 PM
It's been nearly a year since Jonathan Luna was found dead under suspicious circumstances. Are there any new developments, or is his death still a mystery?

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/12/04/missing.prosecutor.ap/

deputylinda
11-07-2004, 11:39 PM
Pepper, i was just wondering about this case last week....there are very strange circumstances involved and i think there is a cover-up going on. glad you brought it up because someone wants it to go away.

SoccerMom
11-18-2004, 09:53 PM
Pepper, i was just wondering about this case last week....there are very strange circumstances involved and i think there is a cover-up going on. glad you brought it up because someone wants it to go away.


Luna was found in the area where I live, and it's very bizarre. I've followed it because it was so strange and stuck out. Why did he got to the Philadelphia area that night? Who was the second person seen in the car with him? Could he have stabbed himself that many times? It doesn't seem possible, but that is the latest thing I read in our newspaper not too long ago. THe whole thing is just weird.

Patticake
11-24-2004, 08:55 PM
I've been following it too and hadn't heard much so I googled his name. At least one article states that they think he committed suicide. Very strange.

I also wonder why the family has not made a bigger issue out of his death.


:(

ShowerSinger
12-02-2004, 07:10 PM
www.thewbalchannel.com/news/396916/detail.htmlSorry, but this link just disappeared. Nothing really new, except it did say there were no holes found in his clothing, despite the numerous stab wounds to the body. Oh, and also, that Luna had hired an attorney of his own before his demise. Maybe someone else can link this. Very, very strange.

poco
12-02-2004, 07:22 PM
Luna was found in the area where I live, and it's very bizarre. I've followed it because it was so strange and stuck out. Why did he got to the Philadelphia area that night? Who was the second person seen in the car with him? Could he have stabbed himself that many times? It doesn't seem possible, but that is the latest thing I read in our newspaper not too long ago. THe whole thing is just weird.

I was very interested in this case, too, at the very beginning. Can't believe it has been a whole year!!! Hey soccermom - where do you live? I'm from Lancaster and will be coming up to spend the holidays with family!

VespaElf
12-03-2004, 10:32 AM
Ive thought about this case too! Very strange how something so big just dissapeared huh? Its made me wonder why and if maybe its connected to something still under investigation!

luthersmama
12-05-2004, 02:48 PM
US Attorney Jonathan Luna was found dead a year ago, but the case is still a mystery. Based on what they have figured out so far, he drove within a mile of my home the night he died and was found near my cousin's home. Very creepy case. This is the most informative article I have seen so far.




www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/pennsylvania/counties/chester_county/10339835.htm

VespaElf
12-05-2004, 03:00 PM
Thanks for the link.
There's been a recent discussion here:http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15692
About the Luna case.

(Im from South Philly btw!)

CeeJay
12-06-2004, 05:56 PM
So they're suggesting that he stabbed himself 36 times but had no holes in his clothes? I assume when they say "stab wounds" they were deep enough to draw blood even though they indicate many of them were "superficial". So I don't see how he could have done that without tearing or making puncture holes in his clothes. Are they also suggesting then that he undressed, stabbed himself and then redressed? Or lifted his shirt to stab himself? That makes no sense.

Malini2001
12-06-2004, 07:29 PM
I live in Baltimore, MD. It was disclosed a few months ago that Luna hired a lawyer to look after his interests in regard to his job. Apparently, he feared he would be fired. He had confided that to someone who did not want to be named. Other prosecutors seemed to know about it. The US prosecutor is kind of a loose cannon, publicity seeking type - he resigned just a few days ago. He now admits that Luna job was in jeapordy but didn't disclose it at the time to protect his family.

Luna was involved in a robbery case in 2002 where $36,000 in cash disappeared between the courtroom and the secure evidence vault. It was stated in newspapers last year that he had either applied for a loan and cancelled it around the time the money disappeared, or had recently gotten a loan and paid it off. I'm not sure how much truth is in the newspapers, but he may have had a debt problem.

One of the most unusual points of this is that there is a 2 hr gap between the time he stopped at a rest stop and when he entered the NJ turnpike. I think he met up with somebody. But he stopped at a gas station after that and nobody saw anyone with him. I'm wondering if he was picking up prostitutes.

cppweb
12-24-2004, 12:04 AM
They are making it go away because he probably embarrassed the dept. The feds dont like to admit wrong doings by their own people. The Feds are not americans in my view but nothing more than modern day Nazi's

Tom
03-08-2005, 10:35 PM
Does anyone know if Luna had drugs or alcohol in his system at the time of his death?

Very unusual that the case has completely fallen out of the public eye.:cool:

mysteriew
12-15-2005, 01:23 AM
Eyewitness News has learned that the U.S. inspector general will not intervene in the FBI investigation into the death of federal prosecutor Jonathan Luna, who was found stabbed 36 times in a Pennsylvania ditch on December 4th, 2003.

In a letter to Pennsylvania representative Mark Cohen, U.S. inspector general Glenn Fines says, "The Jonathan Luna case is an open matter being investigated by the FBI and we do not believe it would be appropriate for the OIG to intervene."

Cohen challenges the FBI's suicide and random murder theories. He wants a review of the way agents are handling the Luna case, their relationship with an informant who was being prosecuted for murder by Luna, allegations Luna may have been under pressure to cut the suspect a deal and whether someone connected to one of Luna's cases may have played a role in his death.

The inspector general's decision is no surprise to local attorneys, who say Cohen's letter raises the serious and troubling question of why a federal prosecutor's death investigation is still unsolved. William Buie, a former congressional liaison now in private practice, believes Cohen is on the right track. "It may seem like a stretch that the Pennsylvania gentleman is making from the Legislature. But for people working on the inside, [Cohen] is making a very good inquiry," said Buie.
http://wjz.com/topstories/local_story_347215619.html

mysteriew
12-20-2005, 08:34 PM
A federal prosecutor whose 2003 death remains unsolved was asked to take a lie detector test as part of an investigation into the disappearance of about $36,000 in evidence shortly before he was found stabbed and drowned in Pennsylvania, The Washington Post reported Tuesday.

Some investigators believe the looming polygraph test supports the theory that Jonathan P. Luna, a 38-year-old prosecutor in Baltimore, took his own life, the Post reported, citing unidentified sources familiar with the investigation.

FBI spokesman Barry Maddox said investigators are considering the possibility that Luna's death was suicide, a random act of violence or premeditated murder.

According to the Post, three shrink-wrapped stacks of $20 bills from a bank robbery case that Luna helped prosecute in 2002 disappeared. In the weeks before his death, Luna postponed his polygraph examination at least once, citing his workload, the newspaper said.

One source told the Post that investigators discovered after Luna's death that more than $10,000 came into his possession shortly after the evidence from the robbery case disappeared. The source said investigators could not determine conclusively how Luna obtained the money.

Many people who are thought to have had access to the missing cash, including building custodians and the assistant U.S. attorney who prosecuted the case with Luna in 2002, took polygraph tests, the Post reported.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051220/ap_on_re_us/slain_prosecutor

Paradise
12-21-2005, 07:41 PM
There was just something in the paper today about him...it's pretty much the same thing in the previous post.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c222/Niffa2003/Luna.jpg

concernedperson
12-21-2005, 07:50 PM
This reminds me of a case in my little hometown. The son of a prominent architect was co-habiting with a stripper from Houston. Oops, she is dead. They called it a suicide. She had 4 small caliber wounds to her chest. Now, if you were commtting suicide wouldn't you want to suffer less? Additionally, after he was cleared of any wrong doing he fled to California.

Why, would you ask? Because local drug dealers were after him. I even know where he is so why don't they? Coverups are so common it is scary.

michelle
12-21-2005, 07:56 PM
I am from maryland and i was thinking about this case the other day to see what has been going on, its a strange one...

LButler
12-22-2005, 11:43 AM
There is no way someone stabs themselves to death to commit suicide. I think pulling the trigger on a gun KNOWING that it would be instantaneous would be hard enough, but to stab yourself over and over until what? You pass out from blood loss, then bleed to death, you finally hit a vital organ, you think you have enough blood flowing to die? NO WAY!!

mysteriew
01-08-2006, 02:52 PM
A Department of Justice inspector general report obtained by The Sun found "credible evidence of serious misconduct" by agents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Baltimore division who investigated the death of federal prosecutor Jonathan P. Luna two years ago.

The previously undisclosed report gives new insight into the frenzied first days of the unsolved Luna investigation - with FBI agents delving into the private life and mysterious death of the assistant U.S. attorney discovered dead Dec. 4, 2003, with 36 stab wounds, lying in a remote Pennsylvania creek.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-te.md.fbi08jan08,1,5905146.story?coll=bal-local-headlines

strach304
01-08-2006, 06:07 PM
There is no way someone stabs themselves to death to commit suicide. I think pulling the trigger on a gun KNOWING that it would be instantaneous would be hard enough, but to stab yourself over and over until what? You pass out from blood loss, then bleed to death, you finally hit a vital organ, you think you have enough blood flowing to die? NO WAY!!

I agree and cause of death was drowning in a small depth of water as well if I remember the details correctly. This story grabbed my attention right away when first reported because I am from Baltimore so I do know that there is a possibility he was corrupt but I haven't seen any proof of that after all this time. The details of blood in the backseat of his car and 30 some puncture wounds etc, were details I recall from the first reports and at that time no mention of a possible suicide so to hear that now I find the idea absolutely ridiculous. None of the stab wounds were fatal so what'd he do stick his face in the water and drown as well as drove that far to do it? If they did find evidence of corruption you can bet several someone's are covering up for their own sake. This man was murdered I am sure but why I don't know, seems if it was personal like an affair or something like was already looked into we'd know about it.

mysteriew
01-08-2006, 08:21 PM
uh, Strach I believe that one of the issues is there is some money that was evidence in a court case. He was the last one kniown to have possession of it. The money came up missing. He was supposed to have taken a lie detector test for it, but rescheduled the test. Then he disappeared.

sneezy
02-26-2007, 04:24 PM
From abc27:
Attorney, P.I. Ask for Inquest in Prosecutor's Death
Posted: February 26, 2007 11:58 AM EST
URL: http://www.abc27.com/news/stories//400659.html (http://www.abc27.com/news/stories/0207/400659.html)

http://216.250.230.16/law_generic2_0301.gifLANCASTER, Pa. (AP) - A private investigator and a family attorney are trying to force the Lancaster County coroner to conduct an inquest into the mysterious death of a federal prosecutor more than three years ago.

Private investigator Ed Martino and attorney Jim Clymer filed a petition earlier this month, contending that the coroner, G. Gary Kirchner, wrongly declined to conduct an inquest into the death in 2003 of 38-year-old Jonathan Luna.

Coroner's office attorney Neil Albert argues that the law does not require Kirchner to conduct inquests.

Luna was found dead in a stream on December 4th, 2003. His car was hanging over the stream bank, still running, and investigators found blood on the floor of the back seat.

Authorities say Luna, who was an assistant US attorney, had left his office in the Baltimore federal courthouse shortly after 11:30 the night before.

--



(Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

PSUfan
07-22-2007, 01:56 PM
http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/207180


Luna case far from forgotten
Unsolved death of federal prosecutor here in 2003 attracts more attention.

By HELEN COLWELL ADAMS, Staff writer
Sunday News
Published: Jul 22, 2007 12:16 AM EST
LANCASTER COUNTY, Pa - In May, a Lancaster County Court judge rejected efforts to force an inquest into the 2003 death of federal prosecutor Jonathan Luna.

Yet under the surface, activity in the case is bubbling, some of which Luna's advocates don't want to talk about.

A television network is looking into the story.

U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter's office is asking questions.

Taximom
04-27-2008, 07:05 PM
Dateline is covering this case tonight. 7pm e.s.t. NBC

Taximom
04-27-2008, 07:06 PM
Dateline is covering this case tonight 7pm e.s.t. NBC

Pdoe
11-30-2008, 04:22 PM
The Baltimore Sun ran a lengthy story on this case today:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/baltimore_city/bal-md.luna30nov30,0,7328941,full.story

Not much new information but still an interesting summary of the case

littlehorn
12-01-2008, 08:18 AM
I always wondered if there was some involvement in the Ray Gricar disappearance. Similar circumstances but they never found Ray.

gaia227
04-15-2009, 02:20 PM
bumping.

Today is the 4th anniversary of Ray Gricar's disappearence which led me to start thinking about Luna.

Article outliniing the similarities:
http://www.yardbird.com/midnight_ride_similarities_w_luna_gricar.htm


Apparently the author of Midnight Ride with Jonathan Luna" has been slapped with a defamation lawsuit and might be forced to reveal his sources.
http://ydr.inyork.com/ci_12056290

J. J. in Phila
12-04-2009, 01:26 AM
Under "Sporadic Comments on the Gricar Case," I'm doing a three part series on the Luna Case, but looking at similarities with the Luna case.

The first one is summary of the Luna case. There were a few new things.

http://www.centredaily.com/opinion/blogs/

Mia
12-04-2009, 05:29 AM
There is no way someone stabs themselves to death to commit suicide. I think pulling the trigger on a gun KNOWING that it would be instantaneous would be hard enough, but to stab yourself over and over until what? You pass out from blood loss, then bleed to death, you finally hit a vital organ, you think you have enough blood flowing to die? NO WAY!!

Actually, suicide by stabbing is more common than you think (and by that I mean that it happens at all). There are documented cases of suicide by stabbing that can be found with a quick Google search. Eliot Smith (singer/songwriter) committed suicide by stabbing himself in the heart, and he had two additional slight, non-fatal stab wounds that investigators theorized he made while he was "working up the courage" to make the deep plunge. I think there is a good chance that Luna committed suicide, but was hoping to make it look like murder. He was a prosecutor, so he would know how to stage a scene, and I think all of the little wounds were, again, him 'working up the courage' to stab himself deeply. It can't be easy to plunge a knife into oneself, deep enough to penetrate organs.

It seems pretty obvious that Luna stole the $35,000 from the evidence vault (his delaying of the lie detector test, the fact that he canceled a loan application for $30,000 not long after the money went missing, the sudden appearance of a mysterious $10,000 in his possession). The choice to commit suicide could have arisen from extreme stress brought on by some mistakes he made, perhaps combined with personal and other work-related problems. It all probably caught up with him at once, and he saw suicide as the only way out.

I'm surprised I'm saying this because in situations like this I usually go for the cover-up angle, because I do believe such things happen ALL the time, especially with the federal government. But in this particular case, I can actually see suicide as being a viable cause of death. Anyone agree with me? I know I'm probably in the minority here.

J. J. in Phila
12-05-2009, 02:41 AM
Eliot Smith (singer/songwriter) committed suicide by stabbing himself in the heart, and he had two additional slight, non-fatal stab wounds that investigators theorized he made while he was "working up the courage" to make the deep plunge.


It does occur, and I've heard of "2 shot suicides" as well. There may be another explanation.



It seems pretty obvious that Luna stole the $35,000 from the evidence vault (his delaying of the lie detector test, the fact that he canceled a loan application for $30,000 not long after the money went missing, the sudden appearance of a mysterious $10,000 in his possession). The choice to commit suicide could have arisen from extreme stress brought on by some mistakes he made, perhaps combined with personal and other work-related problems. It all probably caught up with him at once, and he saw suicide as the only way out.


The Washington Post reported that it was more than $10,000. There is a Federal reporting requirement for cash transactions above $10,000, so finding it untraceable probably means a series of smaller cash transactions (or there would be an electronic record).

Mr. Luna was in danger of losing his job. Assume that he was innocent. If he was to take the polygraph, pass it, and then be fired for unrelated reasons, any possible employer could easily assume assume that he was fired because of it.

I think it is probable that Mr. Luna's were self inflicted; he might have staged it to avoid the polygraph. He may, however, not have intending to kill himself. He might have wanted it look like he was attacked. One wound was just too deep and in hit an vein. He panicked or was confused due to the loss of blood and drove in the wrong direction, running his car into a ditch, go out, and fell into the ditch, were he drowned.

I'm not convinced that the wounds were self inflicted, beyond a reasonable doubt, but I think it is likely.

gaia227
12-06-2009, 12:18 AM
Actually, suicide by stabbing is more common than you think (and by that I mean that it happens at all). There are documented cases of suicide by stabbing that can be found with a quick Google search. Eliot Smith (singer/songwriter) committed suicide by stabbing himself in the heart, and he had two additional slight, non-fatal stab wounds that investigators theorized he made while he was "working up the courage" to make the deep plunge. I think there is a good chance that Luna committed suicide, but was hoping to make it look like murder. He was a prosecutor, so he would know how to stage a scene, and I think all of the little wounds were, again, him 'working up the courage' to stab himself deeply. It can't be easy to plunge a knife into oneself, deep enough to penetrate organs.

It seems pretty obvious that Luna stole the $35,000 from the evidence vault (his delaying of the lie detector test, the fact that he canceled a loan application for $30,000 not long after the money went missing, the sudden appearance of a mysterious $10,000 in his possession). The choice to commit suicide could have arisen from extreme stress brought on by some mistakes he made, perhaps combined with personal and other work-related problems. It all probably caught up with him at once, and he saw suicide as the only way out.

I'm surprised I'm saying this because in situations like this I usually go for the cover-up angle, because I do believe such things happen ALL the time, especially with the federal government. But in this particular case, I can actually see suicide as being a viable cause of death. Anyone agree with me? I know I'm probably in the minority here.

BBM

I just had to comment on Smith. He is one of my all time favorites artists and his suicide was devestating. Anyone familiar with Smith would not be all that surprised that is how he choose to die or that he committed suicide in the first place. His friends just released a CD of previously unheard tracks that didn't make onto his albums.

I think suicide it a viable option in Luna's case. It certainly is not how I would chose to kill myself but I know it happens and in Luna's case the motive is there. He had gotten himself pretty deep. I can see other viable options in his death too but I don't think suicide should be ruled out.

J. J. in Phila
12-06-2009, 03:34 AM
I think suicide it a viable option in Luna's case. It certainly is not how I would chose to kill myself but I know it happens and in Luna's case the motive is there. He had gotten himself pretty deep. I can see other viable options in his death too but I don't think suicide should be ruled out.

It might have been an unintentional suicide. With the polygraph test looming, he might have been trying to fake an attack.

cutter99
12-09-2013, 12:16 PM
It's been ten years this month.

http://lancasteronline.com/article/local/928336_Who-killed-Jonathan-Luna--A-decade-later--federal-prosecutor-s-slaying-remains-unsolved.html

http://www.abc27.com/story/24020059/midstate-mysteries-the-death-of-federal-prosecutor-jonathan-luna

G&AMom
04-19-2014, 07:36 PM
The thing that gets me is that there are so many questions in this case. I wish the FBI and the US Attorney's office would lay out exactly what they found rather than letting all these rumors swirl. Personally, I don't believe he committed suicide, but I'm really not sure what happened. As far as I know, the Lancaster, Pa., coroner ruled his death a homicide -- it's hard to find accurate information.

This article from the ABA Journal from December 2013 says "authorities still haven't solved the slaying" of Luna. If it's a homicide, why isn't the FBI investigating? Or maybe it's time somebody else should be.

OkieGranny
08-02-2014, 12:22 PM
http://thedailyrecord.com/2014/08/02/jonathan-luna-and-the-foia-request/


As I was searching through federal court filings last week, I noticed a request to unseal a 13-year-old document filed by prosecutors.

“The reason for which the United States originally sought to have these documents sealed no longer exists and the documents can and should be unsealed,” Assistant U.S. Attorney P. Michael Cunningham wrote. The motion was filed July 29 and granted the same day.

The now-unsealed document is below. At the very top, it says the filing is an application for “historical records of electronic communications.” What stopped me in my tracks was the name in the third line of the application, the same name signed on the last page: Jonathan P. Luna.

J. J. in Phila
08-03-2014, 01:36 AM
http://thedailyrecord.com/2014/08/02/jonathan-luna-and-the-foia-request/

Thanks. It could be someone aligned with Brown, or it could be a Luna researcher; there are a few out there.

Falcon500
03-31-2015, 05:31 PM
Actually, suicide by stabbing is more common than you think (and by that I mean that it happens at all). There are documented cases of suicide by stabbing that can be found with a quick Google search. Eliot Smith (singer/songwriter) committed suicide by stabbing himself in the heart, and he had two additional slight, non-fatal stab wounds that investigators theorized he made while he was "working up the courage" to make the deep plunge. I think there is a good chance that Luna committed suicide, but was hoping to make it look like murder. He was a prosecutor, so he would know how to stage a scene, and I think all of the little wounds were, again, him 'working up the courage' to stab himself deeply. It can't be easy to plunge a knife into oneself, deep enough to penetrate organs.

It seems pretty obvious that Luna stole the $35,000 from the evidence vault (his delaying of the lie detector test, the fact that he canceled a loan application for $30,000 not long after the money went missing, the sudden appearance of a mysterious $10,000 in his possession). The choice to commit suicide could have arisen from extreme stress brought on by some mistakes he made, perhaps combined with personal and other work-related problems. It all probably caught up with him at once, and he saw suicide as the only way out.

I'm surprised I'm saying this because in situations like this I usually go for the cover-up angle, because I do believe such things happen ALL the time, especially with the federal government. But in this particular case, I can actually see suicide as being a viable cause of death. Anyone agree with me? I know I'm probably in the minority here.


I wanted to single you out for a very reasoned and well thought out explanation of the death of Jonathan Luna. My best guess is that his death happened just about as you described it.

He wanted to deflect suspicion away from himself so he thought up a hair-brained scheme where he would be found in his car and then claim that he had been kidnapped from his office. He made sure that he visited several spots where the presence of his car would be documented. His wounds were superficial and it's likely that be became confused, got out of his car, and fell into the creek and drowned.

The coroner was probably not a pathologist as is the case in many PA counties. I recall a story about a PA coroner who was a tow truck driver.





There is a misconception among the general public that the FBI are experts in investigating every type of crime. Not true. An FBI agent may go through his entire career without ever seeing a dead body and certainly would not get involved in a suicide. This is because murder and death investigations are not federal crimes except in very limited situations. It was a mistake to let them get the lead in this case. The local county or state police would have been the best choice. They see bodies everyday and investigate all types of suicides. The FBI should have done the internal investigation about the missing money and bank transactions but the crime scene work and manner of death determination should have been left to the experts.

Fromthedeepestjungle
05-12-2015, 09:44 PM
I wanted to single you out for a very reasoned and well thought out explanation of the death of Jonathan Luna. My best guess is that his death happened just about as you described it.

He wanted to deflect suspicion away from himself so he thought up a hair-brained scheme where he would be found in his car and then claim that he had been kidnapped from his office. He made sure that he visited several spots where the presence of his car would be documented. His wounds were superficial and it's likely that be became confused, got out of his car, and fell into the creek and drowned.

The coroner was probably not a pathologist as is the case in many PA counties. I recall a story about a PA coroner who was a tow truck driver.





There is a misconception among the general public that the FBI are experts in investigating every type of crime. Not true. An FBI agent may go through his entire career without ever seeing a dead body and certainly would not get involved in a suicide. This is because murder and death investigations are not federal crimes except in very limited situations. It was a mistake to let them get the lead in this case. The local county or state police would have been the best choice. They see bodies everyday and investigate all types of suicides. The FBI should have done the internal investigation about the missing money and bank transactions but the crime scene work and manner of death determination should have been left to the experts.

This happened about 1 week and a half ago reported on wtaj tv 10 out of altoona pa A female took a screwdriver and took this male for what reason and stuck the screwdriver in his male parts and other places on his body not sure why she did they did not say I had to think where did she come up with doing that to the man and think on how luna was done in his car can a man or woman do this to them self what was the cause for her to stab this male with a screwdriver in the groin and body again when I seen this on tv I had to think of luna was there a female with him that nite