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Lisahas2cats
08-11-2006, 09:24 AM
As I mentioned in my introduction post, I've been haunted for years by a Jane Doe who was found near my home county in 1988.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/26ufga.html

At one time, local law enforcement alluded that they may have a lead in discovering who killed her, but that apparently didn't pan out. This girl has been buried as "Jane Doe" in a beautiful cemetary in the county she was found, and I've wished for years that she could be identified and returned to her family. I've spent time on the Doe Network trying to find "matching" females who vanished in 1987 and 1988, with no luck. Anyone who matched her description either had tattoos or noticable scars (she had neither).

I attempted to do a search on official state websites for missing persons databases, but either I'm a poor searcher or sharing information on missing persons is low priority on state websites.

So...I thought I'd share her link here and see if ya'll have any fresh ideas. Although it hurts my heart to read of any case where a person is never identified, this one hits too close to home (literally).

Many thanks,
Lisa

Lisahas2cats
08-21-2006, 09:35 AM
Just giving this a little bump...

Lisa :)

anthrobones
08-27-2006, 06:55 PM
I guess everyone has flocked over to the JBR board.
Just throwing out some missing persons
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/722dfon.html Lisa Jean Somerton

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1702dfva.html Ann Crist

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/721dfon.html Janette Brunet

Lisahas2cats
08-27-2006, 07:30 PM
Thanks for posting, Anthro...you're right, JBR is the big news right now :)

I'd actually looked at all three of those girls as possible matches, but two of them (Lisa and Janette), have the wrong eye color to be this Jane Doe (report says she had brown eyes).

Ann Crist could be a possibility....I'd put her in the "probably not" because someone had "admitted" to her murder, but since the story couldn't be proven, she could still be a possibility...

I wonder how often LE gets things like eye color wrong.....or how often details are inaccurately reported to Doe/Charley? I've seen several girls that looked like possible matches, but either the eye color was wrong, or the missing woman had tattoos (Jane Doe had none)....

This girl's case eats at my heart :(

Donjeta
01-26-2011, 02:17 PM
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/26ufga.html
https://identifyus.org/cases/4694

belfastgirl73
01-26-2011, 09:46 PM
What do you think of this girl? I do see some similarities but would be interested in what everyone else thinks.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2355dfma.html

belfastgirl73
01-26-2011, 09:47 PM
Same with this girl.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1702dfva.html

CarlK90245
01-26-2011, 11:07 PM
What do you think of this girl? I do see some similarities but would be interested in what everyone else thinks.

Michelle Marie Ashley Nicholaou
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/MMANicholaou7.jpghttp://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Facial%20Reconstructions%20002/2230193890045078242S600x600Q851.jpghttp://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Facial%20Reconstructions%20002/2381992650045078242S600x600Q851.jpg
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2355dfma.html

MMAN looks a little broader in the temples, IMO. And Rising Fawn JD looks like her teeth are more crooked.

[quote=belfastgirl73;6063043]Same with this girl.

Rebecca Ann Crist
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/ACrist.jpghttp://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Facial%20Reconstructions%20002/2230193890045078242S600x600Q851.jpghttp://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Facial%20Reconstructions%20002/2381992650045078242S600x600Q851.jpg

She's a little closer on facial shape, and she does have the reddish hair. But RFJD is much taller (5'6" to 5'8"). RAC is listed as only 5'0" tall.

belfastgirl73
01-26-2011, 11:16 PM
Is the height listed as 60 inches on her doenet profile? I mistook it for 6 foot

CarlK90245
01-26-2011, 11:21 PM
Is the height listed as 60 inches on her doenet profile? I mistook it for 6 foot

Yes, that's 60 inches (or 5 feet even).

belfastgirl73
01-26-2011, 11:24 PM
Showing the irish in me lol. Around here it would be listed as 5 foot, lol. We only use inches as in 5 foot 4 inches. Forgive me?

CarlK90245
01-26-2011, 11:27 PM
Showing the irish in me lol. Around here it would be listed as 5 foot, lol. We only use inches as in 5 foot 4 inches. Forgive me?

I should remember to spell out "feet" and "inches" instead of quotes (") and apostrophes (') when communicating to non-Americans.

carbuff
01-26-2011, 11:34 PM
What do you think of this girl? I do see some similarities but would be interested in what everyone else thinks.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2355dfma.html

The circumstances and timeline fit Nicholaou really well. The mouth and chin look similar, too, especially on the left side of her face (our right) where there's a tooth that's twisted or bending back or something. The sculptured reconstruction seems to be exaggerating the UID's teeth.

Donjeta
01-27-2011, 09:20 AM
Is it possible that the blonde photo of Michelle Nichaloau is a bit stretched horizontally? They did it to my student ID card photo and this photo reminds me a bit of the result. The blonde photo of her looks much more moon faced than the pictures of her younger self.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/MMANicholaou6.jpg
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/MMANicholaou7.jpg
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/MMANicholaou3.jpg http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/MMANicholaou5.jpg

carbuff
01-27-2011, 09:44 AM
Is it possible that the blonde photo of Michelle Nichaloau is a bit stretched horizontally? They did it to my student ID card photo and this photo reminds me a bit of the result. The blonde photo of her looks much more moon faced than the pictures of her younger self.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/MMANicholaou6.jpg
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/MMANicholaou7.jpg
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/MMANicholaou3.jpg http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/MMANicholaou5.jpg

I was wondering whether it was from when she was pregnant and bloated.

belfastgirl73
01-28-2011, 12:05 AM
Glad someone else noticed that! Yes, to me it looked like that particular photo looked "stretched" as well. I sorted of discounted that photo when comparing the two.

webrocket
01-29-2011, 02:27 PM
the combination of red hair (either as strawberry or auburn) and brown eyes does not yield many matches at Namus.

in some of the composites the hair looks an unnatural red color but I assume they would have figured out if it was dyed red.

tifflee
03-23-2011, 12:45 AM
In this Jane Doe's NamUs profile, it seems like the person who entered her profile used zeros instead of the letter "O". For instance, under "Circumstances," it says:


B0DY F0UND 0N EAST SIDE 0F I-59 N0RTH

Is anyone else seeing this? I am noticing it in all other filled out sections, too. Doesn't this impact any type of keyword search or is that not utilized on NamUs?

It is frustrating that the profile is so sparse and thus rated as an "extremely low" probability of a match when the Doe Network profile says dentals, fingerprints, and DNA are available. I looked up the contact to see if I could send an email to update the profile and it is listed as someone from Ora, Inc.?

tifflee
03-23-2011, 02:28 PM
I sent off an email to the listed Case Manager, Monte Johnson, and the generic Regional System Administrator email listed to see if the NamUs profile can be corrected and updated. I will update if I hear from them.

tifflee
03-23-2011, 02:41 PM
Mr. Johnson replied within minutes. It looks like he will pass on my email to the Doe Network staff and see if they can help with the fingerprints, dental, and DNA availability confirmation. He said he might be able to fix some of the typos. In any case, he did write that he is Case Manager by default because there was no one to assign at the time this case was moved from NCIC to NamUs and that the local Coroner is the main point of contact.

Based on Mr. Johnson's reply, I also followed up with an email to the Dade County Coroner's Office since it sounds like they can update on the fingerprints, dental, and DNA part.

carbuff
03-23-2011, 03:25 PM
I still think Nicolaou should be investigated further as a match for this UID. Her husband murdered her in very late November or December before December 20; the UID was found December 16. He kidnapped her from Massachusetts and was located in Florida, so Georgia is on the way. She's the right age (22), approximately the right size (on the short side but within 2"), has brown eyes, and the photos show that she dyed her hair regularly, so could have been auburn at the time. The closeup of her mouth shows at least one bad tooth.

Wish they had the full dental charts so we could tell how bad the UID's teeth really are.

tifflee
03-23-2011, 04:16 PM
In my internet searches, I found this thread in another forum (http://icaremissingpersonscoldcases.yuku.com/topic/1365) where some articles are pasted. The article links do not work for me but in this post (http://icaremissingpersonscoldcases.yuku.com/reply/3387/Unidentified-White-Female--December-16-1988--Rising-Fawn-Dad#reply-3387), it says:

Street said the woman's body had been exposed to rain and winter weather before she was found leaving investigators without a good description or photograph to work with, or even prints from fingertips that had frozen off. That seems to be a discrepancy from the Doe Network profile, but doesn't rule out DNA or dentals! The forum also lead me to the UID's Georgia Bureau of Investigation profile here: http://gbi.georgia.gov/00/case_detail/0,2695,67862954_74030338_89909380,00.html.

Depending on if I hear back from the folks I contacted earlier today, I might email Special Agent Joe Montgomery of the GBI to ask if dental records are available to put up on NamUs so we have an easier time comparing future possible matches. The reconstruction has such unique teeth that I think it is an important clue to identifying Rising Fawn's Jane Doe.

carbuff
03-24-2011, 09:59 AM
Thank you for doing all this! Yes, if the dentals were available, it would really help.

tifflee
03-24-2011, 03:31 PM
I sent an email to Special Agent Montgomery and while he is a fast replier which is really appreciated, I think he misunderstood my request for the NamUs profile to be updated. He replied that since I am not law enforcement, he cannot release any information to me concerning an open criminal investigation, but that if I have any information on the victim or perpetrator(s), to please let him know.

Maybe this is why her data is so sparse on NamUs? Open criminal investigation so they don't want anyone to see her dental records? :waitasec:

No reply yet from the Dade County Coroner's Office or the NamUs generic regional contact. I guess her case does not have a specific regional contact or is this standard, does anyone know?

webrocket
03-24-2011, 05:10 PM
I sent an email to Special Agent Montgomery and while he is a fast replier which is really appreciated, I think he misunderstood my request for the NamUs profile to be updated. He replied that since I am not law enforcement, he cannot release any information to me concerning an open criminal investigation, but that if I have any information on the victim or perpetrator(s), to please let him know.

Maybe this is why her data is so sparse on NamUs? Open criminal investigation so they don't want anyone to see her dental records? :waitasec:

No reply yet from the Dade County Coroner's Office or the NamUs generic regional contact. I guess her case does not have a specific regional contact or is this standard, does anyone know?




this may be a problem tifflee. on the one hand LE's primary concern is apprehending a suspect and gaining a conviction and releasing too much information might compromise that goal. on the other hand, you'd think the ME's office would want remains to be identified, if for no other reason that they could close their files.

so if LE is not releasing info for fear of compromising an investigation, that might be all we get. frustrating.

tifflee
03-25-2011, 12:45 PM
All right, it looks like I am going in circles here. I got a hopeful email from the NamUs Team saying this case file was created during an import and they would contact the case manager to get the data cleaned up as well as any missing information added if they had access to it.

The problem is that there is only a case manager by default whom I already contacted (see above) and he said he would pass on my request. So, as it stands, it is not clear who will be updating the file or when any additional data will be added that will be helpful for the general public to research with.

Also, I followed-up with Special Agent Montgomery to clarify that I did not want information sent to me, but rather I was trying to verify who could add the information on dentals, DNA, and fingerprints to NamUs. His reply, in addition to thanking me for my time, was:

I do not have anything to do with the civilian websites or the website you are referring to in your email.The GBI is a decent sized investigative bureau. I wonder if they utilize NamUs because this reply makes me wonder?

I guess that is that. The only contact who has not replied is the Dade County Coroners Office so I will likely try again in a few weeks if the NamUs profile is still sparse then.

If anyone has any other resources to contact to see if her dental charting is available, or even her X-ray images, let me know and I would be happy to send off an email.

Lisahas2cats
03-25-2011, 06:06 PM
I guess that is that. The only contact who has not replied is the Dade County Coroners Office so I will likely try again in a few weeks if the NamUs profile is still sparse then.

If anyone has any other resources to contact to see if her dental charting is available, or even her X-ray images, let me know and I would be happy to send off an email.


Thank you so much for your efforts with "my" Jane Doe. I sent an email to a friend w/ direct connection with Dade County law enforcement...I hope to have you a contact before the weekend is over.

future criminologist
04-16-2011, 05:34 PM
Tifflee, can the investigator at least tell us if they have made any rule-outs on matches?

future criminologist
04-16-2011, 07:17 PM
I'm wondering what you guys think of these MPs as matches for this Doe:

Jennifer Lynn Jackson Floyd
Missing since April 18, 1988 from Tupelo, Lee County, Mississippi

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/JLJFloyd1.jpg
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1881dfms.html

Becky Annette Minish
Missing since March 17, 1987 from Augusta, Richmond County, Georgia
http://www.charleyproject.org/images/m/minish_becky.jpg

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/minish_becky.html

CarlK90245
04-16-2011, 07:58 PM
I'm wondering what you guys think of these MPs as matches for this Doe:

Jennifer Lynn Jackson Floyd
Missing since April 18, 1988 from Tupelo, Lee County, Mississippi

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/JLJFloyd1.jpg
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1881dfms.html

Becky Annette Minish
Missing since March 17, 1987 from Augusta, Richmond County, Georgia
http://www.charleyproject.org/images/m/minish_becky.jpg

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/minish_becky.html

I'm not seeing it on either one. Becky's teeth are fairly straight. Jennifer's two front teeth protrude, but they are not crooked in the same way as RFJD's teeth are.

tifflee
04-24-2011, 09:00 PM
Minor, but good news to report. NamUs shows that on March 25, the profile was updated and I am no longer seeing zeroes where the letter O should be. Unfortunately, I am not seeing much new information and DNA, dentals, and fingerprints all show as unavailable.

future criminologist: I can try asking again, but LE seems to be holding their cards close to their chests on this case. I haven't received any replies since my last update.

Deeds
05-31-2011, 01:04 PM
Rozlin R. Abell:

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/6998/0/

CarlK90245
05-31-2011, 01:26 PM
Rozlin R. Abell:

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/6998/0/

It would be a strange coincidence that her sister's name is Fawn, and she was found in Rising Fawn GA.

I would say probably not though. Rozlin's height (4'11) is quite a bit below the Jane Doe's estimated height range.

Also, it indicates "DNA Available" for both. That doesn't always mean that both cases are entered in the CODIS database, but it usually does. And if they are both in CODIS, the system should catch the match.

Deeds
05-31-2011, 05:48 PM
I agree, It would be very strange considering the location.

I did notice the height and weight did not match exactly but I took into consideration the 3 - year gap from missing to death and the fact that she was only 18yrs.

Growth slows for females around 18 and usually stops at 21 – 25 but there are many cases of 3-5 inch growth after the age of 18. Also some site list her as different heights some as tall as 5’9

And considering that Jane Doe’s height was an estimate and there really is no guarantee that Rozlin’s listed height was 100% accurate at the time she went missing.

I found that the face structure was very similar (Nose, Chin, T-Zone) and the way that Rozlin in the picture looks like she is going out of her way to conceal her teeth, leads me to think she may have been embarrassed of the look (miss-shaped or crooked) alike way that Jane does teeth are presented.

As for the DNA question I have made a mistake (I’m very sorry!!!!) but after rechecking NamUs Jane Doe’s DNA as of March 2011 is not available

tifflee
11-21-2011, 01:49 AM
NamUs shows this UID's profile was updated on November 10, 2011. I tried to see what changes could have been made, but the only difference seems to be eye color. Eye color is now unknown. Formerly it was brown (or at least Doe Network has it as brown).

NamUs link: https://identifyus.org/cases/4694

Angie4b1g
07-18-2012, 08:40 AM
Not much information in this case:

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/4694

White Female, red/auburn hair, found along I-95 on December 12, 1988.
5'7" and 122lbs

They do list her clothing, along with size 9 boots and a white gold heart pinky ring and a small gold chain.


*I looked for an existing thread for this, but didn't find one. My apologies if there is one.

Angie4b1g
07-18-2012, 08:42 AM
Possible match to Lisa Sexton from Ohio?

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4dfoh.html
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/LSexton.jpg

Lisa last spoke to her mother in 1984. Georgia is between FL and Ohio, so geographically it works, especially with 4 years between.

Lisa was 5'8", the Doe is listed at 5'7"
Lisa weighed 125, the Doe 122
Red hair matches
Lisa would have been 22 in 1988, which fits the 16-25 estimate for this UID

Thoughts?

traacker13
07-18-2012, 09:55 AM
It's possible...the only thing I would wonder is the relatinoship between Lisa and her mother. Would it not be unusual for her to not contact her mother for that long? Does it say how long the UID was expected to be at the location before she was found?

CarlK90245
07-18-2012, 10:42 AM
Not much information in this case:

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/4694

White Female, red/auburn hair, found along I-95 on December 12, 1988.
5'7" and 122lbs

They do list her clothing, along with size 9 boots and a white gold heart pinky ring and a small gold chain.


*I looked for an existing thread for this, but didn't find one. My apologies if there is one.

Yes, there is an existing thread. UP 4694 is the same case as the Rising Fawn Jane Doe (DoeNet 26UFGA).

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/26UFGA2.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/26UFGA3.jpg

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/26ufga.html

I just merged them.

traacker13
07-18-2012, 12:09 PM
Yes, there is an existing thread. UP 4694 is the same case as the Rising Fawn Jane Doe (DoeNet 26UFGA).

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/26UFGA2.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/26UFGA3.jpg

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/26ufga.html

I just merged them.

Just from looking at the teeth of the reconstruction, I doubt it's Lisa. Lisa's teeth look much straighter in her photo IMO.

Angie4b1g
07-18-2012, 12:14 PM
Oooh yeah, I hadn't seen those reconstructions. I'd be inclined to agree on the teeth.

traacker13
09-24-2014, 01:50 PM
I don't understand why more information isn't available in Namus considering they found this UID and were able to report she had brown eyes. Why wouldn't they record her dental records? Even more, are there any morgue photos? If not, why aren't the reconstructions loaded to Namus!?

bflocket
09-24-2014, 04:19 PM
I should remember to spell out "feet" and "inches" instead of quotes (") and apostrophes (') when communicating to non-Americans.

The "60-inches" is technically correct, but I don't know of any circumstance where one would use that in reference to someone's height.

When it listed as merely the inches, I also have to convert it to something I understand.
...but it might be easier for someone using the metric system, as they wouldn't also have to convert it before they convert it.

60" is how you'd measure a TV, not a person. Is it different in other places?

bflocket
09-24-2014, 04:24 PM
I don't understand why more information isn't available in Namus considering they found this UID and were able to report she had brown eyes. Why wouldn't they record her dental records? Even more, are there any morgue photos? If not, why aren't the reconstructions loaded to Namus!?

I figure that there HAS to be some kind of photo of the remains in order to work backward to the reconstruction.

NamUS has different things available to the public and available to LE.
Maybe that's where any photos would be (i.e. not available to "civilians" or whatever we're considered).

traacker13
09-24-2014, 04:35 PM
I figure that there HAS to be some kind of photo of the remains in order to work backward to the reconstruction.

NamUS has different things available to the public and available to LE.
Maybe that's where any photos would be (i.e. not available to "civilians" or whatever we're considered).

It's frustrating that we know that there is some information available but that it isn't published. :(

CarlK90245
10-03-2014, 11:45 PM
I wonder if Amber Carrie Potts has ever been compared to Rising Fawn Jane Doe.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/26UFGA1.jpghttp://doenetwork.org/cases/images/APotts.jpg

http://doenetwork.org/cases/312dfon.html

She is from Canada, so she doesn't have a NamUs MP casefile.

Unfortunately, her teeth aren't visible but her Jowls at the corners of her mouth seem to suggest that her teeth are not perfectly aligned. They are described as in "good condition". But "good condition" doesn't necessarily mean they are not crooked (as RFJD's teeth appear to be). Nothing in the description indicates that RFJD's teeth are in "bad condition", aside from the alignment.

Her facial structure does resemble RFJD. Especially the wide cheekbones and weak chin.

Amber was LKA only a month before RFJD was found. She is the right age, the right height, and the circumstances might suggest that (at least initially) she went on the road voluntarily. She could have easily run off to the U.S.