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anthrobones
08-11-2006, 05:40 PM
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1762dmne.html



Melvin Uphoff
Missing since October 24, 1965 from Rising City, Butler County, Nebraska
Classification: Missing



Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: April 2, 1935
Age at Time of Disappearance: 30 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'8"; 160 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White male. Brown hair; Brown eyes.


Circumstances of Disappearance
Melvin Uphoff was last seen in Rising City, Nebraska on October 24, 1965. There were rumors at the time that he was having an affair with Jacquelyn Rains (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1778dfne.html), who disappeared one month prior to Uphoff.
On October 24, 1965, Uphoff , his wife and their four children spent the day together in Shelby. They went roller-skating and had stayed at a hotel before returning home to Rising City. At 11:30 p.m. Uphoff told his wife he was going back to Shelby for a beer. Melvin left in a 1954 blue and white Oldsmobile. That was the last time he was seen. He didn't give any indication of never returning. He didn't take any clothes. The only thing missing was his coin collection. His family filed a missing persons report two days later. Nebraska has him missing since November 8, 1965.


http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1778dfne.html



Jacquelyn Ann Rains
Missing since September 24, 1965 from Columbus, Butler County, Nebraska
Classification: Missing



Vital Statistics

Age at Time of Disappearance: 18 years old
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown eyes.
AKA: Jackie


Circumstances of Disappearance
Rains who was separated from her husband, left their two young children with her parents in Columbus, Nebraska, about 15 miles north of Rising City. She said she was heading to a wedding in Glenwood, Iowa. Family members never heard from her again.
Melvin Uphoff (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1762dmne.html) supervised Jacqueline Rains husband at a service station in Rising City. Family members believe that's how Uphoff and Kracman knew each other. The two vanished within a month of each other in 1965 from towns 15 miles apart. There were rumors at the time that they were having an affair. Jackie was not reported missing until 1994.

anthrobones
08-11-2006, 05:41 PM
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/rains-kracman_jacquelyn.html





Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance

Missing Since: September 24, 1965 from Columbus, Nebraska

Classification: Missing
Age: 18 years old
Distinguishing Characteristics: Brown eyes. Rains-Kracman has a mole above the right side of her lip. Her nickname is Jackie (sometimes spelled "Jacque"). Her name may be spelled "Jacqueline."







Details of Disappearance

Rains-Kracman was last seen at her parents' home in Columbus, Nebraska on September 24, 1965. She left her two children, who were then two years old and six months old, with her parents and told them she was going of a weekend trip to a wedding in Glenwood, Iowa with her female friend and roommate. Her friend returned, but Rains-Kracman has never been heard from again. When authorities investigated her case later, they discovered that the only woman who got married in Glenwood that day did not know Rains-Kracman or her friend. Rains-Kracman's friend subsequently refused to say where she had taken her.


Rains-Kracman's family did not report her as a missing person until the 1990s. They believe she left of her own accord. She had married at sixteen but was separated from her husband by 1965, and her husband had filed for divorce in September. Rains-Kracman's sister says she packed two large suitcases when she left home, which the sister found odd, since it was supposed to be only a short trip.

Melvin Uphoff (http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/u/uphoff_melvin.html) disappeared a month after Rains-Kracman did and has never been heard from again. He was her husband's boss at a service station in Rising City, Nebraska and he and Rains-Kracman were apparently having an affair in 1965. Authorities and both families believe the couple ran away together to start a new life.

Both Uphoff and Rains-Kracman's family members believe the missing pair tried to contact them in the years after 1965. One of Rains-Kracman's sisters said a woman stongly resembling her missing sister attended their mother's funeral. The same woman appeared at Rains-Kracman's sister's place of work and stared at her, but disappeared again before she could be confronted. Rains-Kracman is described as a lively, energetic person. She has eight siblings. She was working as coil winder at an electronics company in Columbus in 1965. She left her car behind when she disappeared. Both Rains-Kracman and Uphoff's cases remain unsolved; their families are continuing to search for them.

anthrobones
08-11-2006, 05:42 PM
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/u/uphoff_melvin.html



Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance

Missing Since: October 24, 1965 from Rising City, Nebraska
Classification: Missing
Date of Birth: April 2, 1935
Height and Weight: 5'8, 160 pounds
Age: 30 years old
Distinguishing Characteristics: Brown hair, brown eyes.




Details of Disappearance

Uphoff was last seen in Rising City, Nebraska on October 24, 1965. He and his wife took their four young children to Shelby, Nebraska and spent the day there before returning to their home in Rising City. At 11:30 p.m. that evening, Uphoff told his wife he was returning to Shelby for a beer. He drove away in his blue and white 1954 Oldsmobile and has never been heard from again. His vehicle was never found.

Uphoff was apparently having an affair with a local woman, Jacquelyn Rains-Kracman (http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/rains-kracman_jacquelyn.html), in 1965. He was her husband's boss. Rains-Kracman's husband went so far as to tell Uphoff's wife about the affair, although Uphoff denied the relationship existed. Rains-Kracman disappeared a month before Uphoff did and has never been heard from again.

Authorities and both families believe Rains-Kracman and Uphoff ran away together. Members of both families believe the missing couple tried to contact them in the years after 1965. In 1967, a man called Uphoff's old house and asked to speak to his wife. The caller hung up when he was told Uphoff's wife no longer lived there. That same day, someone tried to call one of Uphoff's other family members through a pay phone but they were unable to speak to one another. It has not been confirmed that either caller was Uphoff, however. Uphoff was declared legally dead in 1972. His and Rains-Kracman's families are continuing to search for them. Their cases remain unsolved.

bykerladi
08-11-2006, 08:06 PM
Why wasn't she reported missing until 1995? That's THIRTY YEARS of missing before she was reported missing. And why was he declared legally dead? He'd be 60ish in 1995, about 70 now, a perfectly normal older person.

meggilyweggily
08-11-2006, 08:59 PM
She wasn't reported missing because it was pretty obvious she had left on her own. I don't think the police would have even taken a report under those circumstances even if her family had tried to make one.

I don't know why Mr. Uphoff was declared legally dead, but most times when missing people are declared legally dead it's (A) The family believes the person is dead or (B) The family needs to free the missing person's assets (like, if the house was in Mr. Uphoff's name, his wife couldn't sell it till he was declared dead) or (C) A bit of both those reasons.

Old Broad
08-12-2006, 05:49 AM
Have there been any new attempts to talk with the friend who drove Jacquelyn that weekend? After so many years she may now be willing to talk, especially if she understood her children deserve answers. If she was indeed at her mothers funeral, she has to be somewhere close by I would think.

OB

2sisters
09-03-2006, 11:12 AM
Krachamn and Uphoff were supposedly having an affair and both dissappeared exactly 1 month apart in 1965. They both left behind young children.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/rains-kracman_jacquelyn.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/u/uphoff_melvin.html
http://www.truckingboards.com/trucking/upload/showthread.php?t=181

anthrobones
09-03-2006, 01:06 PM
Other thread:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41913&highlight=Melvin+Uphoff

2sisters
09-03-2006, 05:50 PM
ok thanks. i looked up their names on here 1st so i didn't create a duplicate thread and nothing came up, sorry.

smile22
09-04-2006, 07:05 AM
it didnt say if their SS number was being used that would be a major clue to find out where they were and why was the friend being so hush about everything if i was le i would persue that with the friend or even the family how could a women live like that and not tell her grown children who are searching for her where she took her

Karanjeff
09-05-2006, 03:29 PM
I have two thoughts on this one-

1 she left on her own accord and selfishness to be with a man
2 the ex husband got rid of them both maybe?

Kelly
05-05-2007, 09:44 AM
A Project Jason Press Release:

"4 Families, 4 Mysteries

4 families who have experienced the tragedy of having a missing loved one will come together on Sunday, May 6th to share their stories with dozens of bike riders at the 4th annual Miles for the Missing Family Bike Ride, sponsored by Omaha nonprofit organization, Project Jason.

Riders will meet the family members starting at 9:30am on the Wabash Trace Nature Trail in Council Bluffs, IA. Miles for the Missing is a casual ride, and riders can go distances from 1 mile up to 44. Sag and free water will be provided. Rider cost is $17 each, and children under age 10 ride free.

Families represented at the ride include: Jim and Kelly Jolkowski of Omaha, parents of missing Jason Jolkowski, who disappeared from his Omaha home on June 13, 2001; Carolyn Pospisil, stepmother of Erin Pospisil, who was last seen in Cedar Rapids, IA on June 6, 2001; and the family of Michael O’Connor, who disappeared from downtown Omaha in February. Also in attendance will be Jim Rains, brother of missing Jackie Rains-Kracman. She was last seen in Columbus, NE in 1965. She was 18 years old at the time.

Project Jason members will be present to give away free Personal ID Kits and other safety information for families. They will also explain the services offered and awareness programs available for the missing. Proceeds from the ride enable Project Jason to continue to offer their free services to families of the missing nationwide and provide educational materials to all families.

For more information, please see Project Jason - Assistance for families of the missing (http://www.projectjason.org), and click on the Miles for the Missing link, or call Kelly Jolkowski at 402-932-0095.

Email: Milesforthemissing(at sign)projectjason.org"

KarlK
05-05-2007, 05:03 PM
I have two thoughts on this one-

1 she left on her own accord and selfishness to be with a man
2 the ex husband got rid of them both maybe?

#2 is unlikely considering the circumstances of the disappearances. Odds are overwhelmingly in favor of Rains and Uphoff running away together. I imagine that the reason Rains vanished a month prior was an attempt to make it look like the cases weren't related.

meggilyweggily
05-06-2007, 07:35 AM
I would almost consider this to be romantic, except for the families (especially the children) left behind, suffering. I do hope Jacquelyn and Melvin were/are happy together, however.

There was another case like this one, Twylia Embrey, who ran off with a boyfriend and was never heard from again. They thought she might have been killed. Decades later, they found her: she'd lived out her life under another name, married, and I think had kids, then died and was buried under the alias name. She apparently never knew her family was looking for her.

Kelly
06-09-2007, 05:21 PM
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

For further information contact:
Kelly Jolkowski
402-932-0095

kelly.jolkowski@projectjason.org


OMAHA MISSING PERSONS' DAY ON THE CUE CENTER NATIONAL TOUR

Omaha Area Families of the Missing Gather to Remember Their Loved Ones

Omaha, NE, - June 13th, 2007- June 13th, 2007, marks the six year anniversary of the disappearance of then 19 year-old Jason Jolkowski from his home in Omaha, NE. To bring awareness for area missing persons cases and garner community support for the families of the missing, Omaha Mayor Mike Fahey is declaring June 13th as Omaha Missing Persons' Day. Project Jason, founded by the family of Jason Jolkowski, is sponsoring an event to commemorate this day. It will be held at Omaha's Memorial Park at 56th and Underwood Ave from 6:30-8:30pm. The public is invited to attend.

This event will also serve to honor four other families of missing persons from the area. They, along with the parents of Jason Jolkowski, will share their stories.

In addition, the Cue Center, a nonprofit organization from North Carolina led by founder Monica Caison, which provides assistance for families of the missing, has included Omaha and this event as a stop on their national tour to bring awareness for numerous missing person's cases. The 4th annual "On the Road to Remember Tour" begins on June 11th and concludes on June 21st, covering 2,400 miles, 22 stops in 11 states, and 75 missing person cases.

This moving ceremony will begin with a march led by the Air Force Color Guard with bagpipe accompaniment. The Mayor's office will then present the Omaha Missing Persons' Day proclamation to Kelly Jolkowski, President and Founder of Project Jason, and to Monica Caison, Founder of the Cue Center.

The event will also include music and prayer, and will culminate with a symbolic white dove release by each represented family.

Featured Missing Persons' Cases:

Jason Jolkowski disappeared from the driveway of his home in Omaha, NE on Wednesday, June 13th, 2001. He was then 19 years of age. He was preparing to go to work at his part-time job, and was last seen doing his weekly chores outside.

Erin Pospisil was just 15 years old on June 3rd, 2001, when she left her home in Cedar Rapids, IA to go visit a friend. Her friend was not home, and when a car pulled up, Erin went over and spoke with the occupants. She entered that vehicle and was never seen again.

Singer-songwriter Gina Bos disappeared on October 17, 2000 after performing at a pub in Lincoln, NE. The next morning, her vehicle was found across the street from the pub with the trunk ajar and her guitar inside.

Nearly 42 years ago, 18 year-old Jackie Rains-Kracman left her home in Columbus, NE, telling her family she was going to a wedding with a friend in Glenwood, IA. The friend returned home, but Jackie didn't.

University of Missouri sophomore Jesse Ross vanished on November 21, 2006, after attending a model United Nations conference at the Sheraton Hotel in Chicago, IL. After a dance, Jesse was seen heading towards his hotel room, which was a ten minute walk from the Sheraton. Jesse never made it back.

About Project Jason:

Project Jason, located in Omaha, NE was founded in 2003 by the parents of missing young adult Jason Jolkowski. “Our mission as a non profit organization is to create and increase public awareness of missing people through a variety of outreach and educational activities. Project Jason seeks to bring hope and assistance to families of the missing by providing resources and support.” Project Jason serves families of the missing nationwide and has been instrumental in the recent passage of missing persons' legislation in several states through their Campaign for the Missing program. To learn more about Project Jason, please see http://www.projectjason.org, or contact Kelly Jolkowski at 402-932-0095 or kelly.jolkowski@projectjason.org

About Cue Center:

Founded in 1994, the Cue Center, (Community United Effort) based in Wilmington, N.C., provides support, services and search efforts to families of the missing. For full On the Road to Remember tour dates and locations, as well as a complete listing of cases featured on the tour, e-mail cuecenter@aol.com or call Monica Caison at (910) 343-1131 or the 24 Hour Line at (910) 232-1687.For more information, please see http://ncmissingpersons.org/


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Important Note: If it is raining, or rain is threatening, the event will be held at Holy Name Church at 2901 N Fontenelle Blvd. (As of this writing, the chance of rain is very high, so it is imperative that the rain location be communicated.)

If the event takes place at Memorial Park, attendees need to bring their own chairs

Jodibug
06-14-2007, 01:34 PM
Obviously Melvin and Jackie, are/were very selfish people. Their children deserve to know the truth about what happened.

My exhusband went through the same thing- his mother left when he and his siblings were little and they didn't find out what happened to her until last year. By that time she had already passed away. I guess that was good for her since the coward never had to face their children. (I posted about that here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43355 )

Melvin and Jackie may still have the chance to come forward and stop being cowards. If they are able.... I hope that they will.

GraceBlue
06-19-2007, 10:07 AM
According to zabasearch.com there is a Melvin Uphoff living in Kansas. I dont know if it is the same guy because there is no birthdate.

Kelly
06-19-2007, 04:48 PM
According to zabasearch.com there is a Melvin Uphoff living in Kansas. I dont know if it is the same guy because there is no birthdate.

I'm pretty sure they checked that person out and it is not their father.

laini
08-15-2007, 12:09 AM
I wonder if this could be Jacquelyne Rains:


http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/159ufwa.html

What do you all think?

phenolred
02-21-2008, 11:40 AM
I found this
a Mel Uphoff from NEBRASKA, SMAE PLACE THEY VANISHED FROM ...
Mel & Doris Uphoff
> Uphoff Boer Goats
> & Great Pyrenees Livestock Guard Dogs
> Dealer for Nutrition Services Goat Feeds
> 42524 Highway 23
> Elwood, NE 68937
> 308-785-8141 home
> 308-325-2549 cell
> http://www.mduphoffboergoats.com (http://www.mduphoffboergoats.com)


HERE IS AN EMAIL ADDRESS

phenolred
02-21-2008, 11:41 AM
OMG TAKE A LOOK AT THIS LINK THERE IS A PIC OF MEL UPHOFF & HIS WIFE DORIS....I THINK IT DOES LOOK LIKE THE AGE ENHANCED PICS OF MEL & JACKIE TAKE A LOOK AND LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK....

http://www.extension.unl.edu/Publications/Connect_Connections/About_Us/PDF_files/Connect/conaug06

OH WOW I REALLY THINK THIS COULD BE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just turned in the tip, so we'll see if it IS THEM!!!

MaryLiz
02-21-2008, 02:32 PM
OMG TAKE A LOOK AT THIS LINK THERE IS A PIC OF MEL UPHOFF & HIS WIFE DORIS....I THINK IT DOES LOOK LIKE THE AGE ENHANCED PICS OF MEL & JACKIE TAKE A LOOK AND LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK....

http://www.extension.unl.edu/Publications/Connect_Connections/About_Us/PDF_files/Connect/conaug06

OH WOW I REALLY THINK THIS COULD BE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just turned in the tip, so we'll see if it IS THEM!!!

It does look like it could be them. Not only that, but Jackie was 18 when they disappeared in 1965, which means she was probably born around 1947. Melvin was 30 in 1965. He would be 72 now and the guy in the picture looks to be in his 70s. The woman in the photo looks younger than him. She would be around 60 years old now. Age-wise, the people in the photo match the missing couple as well.

phenolred
02-21-2008, 04:15 PM
Ok I did it here is the Pic of the Mel Uphoff I found

http://a258.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/14/l_bfc478206321a5f855b0af891446edc9.jpg (http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.editAlbumPhoto&albumID=249363&imageID=3505085) http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/MUphoff.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/MUphoffAP1.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/JRKracman.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/JRKracman_ap.jpg

kandoo76
02-21-2008, 05:54 PM
My gosh they do look like them don't they. Are you going to contact the missing persons on this?

phenolred
02-22-2008, 08:29 AM
I turned in the tip to the local and state, yesterday but I have not heard anything back yet

phenolred
02-22-2008, 10:06 AM
Young mother, lover still missing after 40 years (http://www.columbustelegram.com/articles/2005/09/18/news/news1.txt)

Forty years ago, Jackie Rains-Kracman and Melvin Uphoff vanished. The two families met for the first time recently in Columbus seeking to ease the lingering pain and, perhaps, find a clue that had been overlooked in the case. What follows is the story of the disappearances and the families' gathering.

By MEGAN STROMBERG, Special to the Telegram

COLUMBUS - Even though she was 9-years-old the last time she saw her sister, Becky Leslie was so certain the woman she locked eyes with at Wal-Mart in 1999 was her sister that it sent her into a panic attack.

When Leslie, a Wal-Mart employee, returned from helping another checker, the woman in jean capris and a pink blouse was gone.

Her co-workers said she probably just saw an angel.

Leslie disagrees. She is adamant the woman was her older sister, Jacquelyn Ann "Jackie" Rains-Kracman, who never returned after telling her family she was leaving with a girlfriend for a wedding in Glenwood, Iowa, on Sept. 24, 1965. Everything was the same, the part in her hair, the mole above the right side of her lip, her deep brown eyes.

"I kick myself for not talking to her right away," Leslie said.

The only woman to marry in Glenwood that day has said she doesn't know anyone by that name. Nor does she recognize the name of Jackie's friend, Sally, who was supposed to take her to the wedding.

Sally returned home.

Nineteen-year-old Jackie never has.

She disappeared without a trace.

Law enforcement officials - from the Butler County Sheriff's Office to the FBI and CIA - have told her they never found any sign of foul play. The Rains family thinks Sally may know why Jackie was leaving, or where she was truly planning to go. They do not think she was involved in her disappearance. They have asked her for help, but they still don't have answers.

One of Jackie's younger sisters still can't forget how her sister was packing two very large suitcases for the trip. Something didn't seem right.

"She was packing everything. I asked her 'Why?' She said she needed to put these clothes somewhere," Sharon Henggeler recalled during a recent family interview.

Henggeler, now of Omaha, was just a year younger than Jackie. She remembers the day clearly.

The Rains' children were still helping their parents unpack things in their Columbus home. The family had just moved across town. Jackie, meanwhile, had already been married and given birth to a boy and a girl. A few weeks earlier, her husband had filed for divorce on Sept. 11. She was now living with Sally.

Henggeler remembers helping her father move the washing machine when a friend stopped by, asking her to go riding around. She agreed, asking if they could stop by and visit her sister, Jackie, before she left for the wedding in Iowa. The family agrees the "wedding trip" was just a story.

That's when Jackie was still packing her suitcases.

"It made me feel uneasy. Months before she said when her ship came in, she would be leaving," Henggeler recalled. When she asked Jackie what she meant by that, Henggeler was told "she would be leaving" and would go where it was sunny and warm.

Henggeler asked her sister who would care for her children, then 2 and 6 months old. Jackie said she was not going to take them cross country.

After saying goodbye to Jackie, Henggeler and her friend drove around Columbus. She remembers seeing her sister and three of her friends drive by, headed south over the viaduct. Her sister, she said, was crouched down in the backseat, as if to hide she was in the vehicle.

Still, Henggeler said the three friends Jackie was with refuse to say where they took her.

The family does not suspect them.

"I've never understood. If the three people who saw her last, if they did nothing criminal, why won't they say where they took her?" Henggeler wondered recently during a gathering with her siblings, Jackie's son and grandsons and another family.

But they do want some answers.

So does Melvin Uphoff's family.

Even though their dad went missing 40 years ago, at a time when two of the kids barely knew them, his children want answers. They wonder, is he dead? Did he leave with Jackie?

Did the couple start a new life together? Has someone in the area kept them abreast of their family's lives?

Rumors were rampant around the tiny community of Rising City when the couple disappeared. The Rains's say they had heard their sister was having an affair with 30-year-old Uphoff, who managed the co-op where Jackie's husband worked.

His wife at the time, Myrna, confirms there were rumors.

She and Melvin had been married for nearly a decade and had already welcomed four children to their home when Jackie's husband came to the door with the news.

"Her husband came to the door and said they were having an affair," the quiet woman remembered.

That was three months before the couple disappeared.

When confronted with the news by Myrna and his mother, Melvin denied the allegations.

Myrna said he was "OK" for about a month, but then began acting differently.

On Oct. 24, 1965, Myrna, Melvin and their four children, ages 10, 8, 2 and 6 months, spent the day together in Shelby. They went roller-skating and had stayed at a hotel before returning home to Rising City.

Myrna remembers it clearly.

She was getting baby Marché ready for bed when Melvin came in the room and said he was going back to Shelby for a beer. He asked if Myrna wanted to go with him. She asked why he was returning there, when the family had just left the town. Myrna declined his offer.

That was 11:30 p.m.

Melvin left in a 1954 blue and white Oldsmobile.

That was the last time she saw her first husband. He didn't give any indication of never returning.

He didn't take any clothes. The only thing Myrna discovered missing was Melvin's coin collection.

The car, his coin collection, Melvin. None of the three has been found.

When Melvin didn't show up for work, Myrna went to his parents and said he didn't come home the night before. They told her to "go back into town and be quiet."

That was Monday. When Myrna asked the next day if they should report him missing, his dad and uncle finally filed a report Tuesday evening.

The family suspects the delay was because the elder family members were trying to protect Myrna and her children.

Meanwhile, Jackie was not reported missing until 1994. Her parents told her eight siblings not to mention anything to anyone. Four of the children recall never mentioning Jackie's absence, not even to their aunts, uncles or cousins. If anyone asked, they were told to say she had moved.

But Leslie recalls what one aunt said.

"She said she saw a woman at a rest stop. She said she sounded like Jackie."

They're tired of being quiet. They feel they have a right to have answers. So do Jackie's children. Her daughter, Denise, contacted the Rains family when she was 18. They had a picnic with Denise and her brother, Todd. The relationships have continued to grow since the reunion.

"How do you start a process like that with people you've never known," Todd said, adding that he could have met some of them on the street over the years.

When asked what he thinks happened, Todd hesitated before answering.

"It's more of a Š in the heart, I wish I knew, but Š " he trailed off. "I guess I have been moving along with my life and hoping after 40 years somebody would come and approach me and say, 'Hey, I'm your mom.'"

He admits that he hoped for that news before Jackie's parents died.

"You don't know. You don't know if they've come in touch with you," Todd said in a firm voice that commanded attention from his aunts and uncles gathered in the room.

Maybe it's a coincidence, but Leslie says she saw a white car at her mother's funeral. A man and a woman sat inside, watching from a distance. That same car appeared at her father's funeral. She admits it could be a coincidence, but she wants to believe more.

Melvin's family, meanwhile has seen some oddities as well.

Former Butler County Sheriff Leo Meister attended a family funeral, looking for Melvin to show up in 1973. He didn't.

The family still has questions. Why did Melvin's missing person's file contain only about 50 copies of a "Wanted" poster distributed in 1967 for non-payment of child support. Why haven't family members been asked about the days prior to his disappearance.

His family is so desperate for answers that his oldest son, Michele Sells of Bellwood, has placed ads in The Banner-Press newspaper.

The latest 4x3 inch ad appeared Sept. 1 along with a picture of Melvin and read:

"We are still looking for any information on the disappearance of this man. Age 30. Now 70. Disappeared Oct. 24, 1965, from Rising City, Nebraska. Left in a blue and white 1954 Oldsmobile. Please send information to Michele Sells."

Sells came to the interview with a black Rubbermaid tote full of a 4-inch white binder, a 2-inch black binder and several spiral notebooks. Court records, hand-written notes, letters from law enforcement, news clippings and other things appeared as Sells searched through the file. Along with the paper files, Sells also arrived with a videotape of her father made from an old 8 mm film. On the tape, Jackie and her family appeared. They had stopped by the Uphoff house. Myrna doesn't remember why. When asked, she said she was not friends with Jackie.

The room fell silent as the two families watched a few minutes of the tape, in which Jackie sat in a white blouse. Her husband sat nearby, holding baby Denise.

"We want an answer," Melvin's youngest, Marché said.

"Even if they don't want to be found, it would be nice to know if they're alive," Todd said.

Rising City residents have told Melvin's family they think he tried to contact them two years after disappearing. Sells said a man phoned the family's old phone number, asking for Myrna. When told she didn't live there, the man hung up.

Just seconds later, the phone rang at a family member's home.

"They said it sounded like they were calling from a pay phone," Sells said. Eventually, the operator interrupted and told the caller to insert more coins for the call.

Sells has also been in contact with law enforcement officers locally and nationally. She continues to ask Meister for answers and has also contacted FBI and CIA agents. However, both families say they are told no crime was committed. Sells has even contacted professional locators, with no luck.

Myrna even spent a number of years searching for answers. For a number of years, she traveled to David City to ask Meister for answers.

"I was in a state of shock," she said about her husband's disappearance. Six months later, Myrna moved to Shelby with her children so they could be closer to her extended family. "I knew I had to be mother, I knew I had to be a dad, knew I had to clothe and feed them."

Forty years later, she admits she has moved on and is comfortable with the search Sells has waged.

"I don't want him back," Myrna said.

Melvin's children say they aren't searching for a relationship with their father. They just want answers.

Both families are certain that if the couple disappeared today, whether willingly or otherwise, technology would facilitate a more comprehensive search. Media coverage, alone, would shine light on the cases.

"It would have been reported right away," Henggeler said.

Over the years, Todd has maintained a relationship with his father, Dennis. Todd recalls a conversation Dennis had with a state trooper in March of this year.

"I saw his eyes. He misses her, but he doesn't know where she's at," Todd said. "His eyes were like he was telling me, I wish I could tell you where she was at."

Both families see news reports of missing couples and young adults and their pain is revisited all over, they said.

"My heart goes to them and I pray they find them," Marché Augustine said, adding that it hurts, even though she wouldn't know the sound of her father's voice if she heard it. Throughout the interview, she switched between calling him by his first name and referring to him as her father.

She recalls that while eating in a cafe with her mother a few years ago, she saw a man that caught her attention.

"I asked mom, 'Isn't that Melvin over there?'"

Henggeler admits she can't watch news reports about missing people who are found.

"I just cry," she said amidst tears.

Several times throughout the families' meeting, she cried.

"You hang on to hope. You think maybe someday you'll get a knock on the door, and it will be her or a brother or sister who have come to say 'We found her,'" Henggeler said.

"You have to have faith in God to have the strength to get through it."

Still, Henggeler asked how long questions can go unanswered.

"How long can a soul survive not knowing?"

The Rains's parents died not knowing the truth about their daughter.

John Rains of Columbus said if he could ask his late wife the answer, he would.

"They know now," he said about his parents.

Henggeler said if Jackie had returned home 15 or 20 years after disappearing, she would have "read her the riot act." Now, though, she just wants to hug her.

"Every Mother's Day, mom thought she would come back," Leslie said about her oldest sister.

Leslie said she believes her sister is still alive and she wants her to know she still loves and cares for her. She says the truth will happen eventually.

"God only knows when that will be," she said.

Nebraska State Patrol Sgt. Robert Frank, director of the state's Cold Case Division, confirmed his office is again looking into Jackie and Melvin's cases. He said he is working in conjunction with the Butler County Sheriff's Department.

"We're still investigating it and running down new leads," Frank said.

Butler County Sheriff Mark Hecker said he originally directed both families to Frank because of the resources at the department's disposal. He will be meeting with Frank at the end of the month to discuss the case.

Former Butler County Sheriff Leo Meister, who was in office at the time of the disappearances, could not be reached for comment.

phenolred
02-22-2008, 10:07 AM
Relatives left to wonder why two vanished in '65 (http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=1638&u_sid=2020340)

Published Monday
September 19, 2005

Relatives left to wonder why two vanished in '65

BY ELIZABETH AHLIN
WORLD-HERALD STAFF WRITER

The last time Melvin Uphoff's wife saw him, he was leaving their home in Rising City, in Butler County, Neb., to pick up beer in a neighboring town. He was 31 years old, and he never returned.

Jacqueline Rains Kracman, 18, who was separated from her husband, Dennis Kracman, left their two young children with her parents in Columbus, Neb., about 15 miles north of Rising City. She said she was heading to a wedding in Glenwood, Iowa. Family members never heard from her again.

Uphoff was Dennis Kracman's boss at a service station in Rising City. Family members believe that's how Uphoff and Jackie Kracman knew each other. The two vanished about a month apart in 1965.

Forty years later, both families still wonder what happened.

"I have been trying since 1989 to locate him. I went down every street, every avenue. There's no paper trail on these two people at all," said Michele Uphoff Sells, who was 2 when her father disappeared.

Sells lives near Columbus. Nearly every day she drives some of the same roads her father did in his 1954 blue-and-white Oldsmobile, which was never recovered by authorities.

She has hired private investigators. At home, she keeps a plastic box filled with evidence of her search. She has notebooks full of research, photos, home movies, newspaper clippings and depositions from insurance hearings when Melvin Eugene Uphoff was declared legally dead in 1972.

She also has the family's stories of the last day she spent with her father, who took Sells and her siblings on a pheasant hunt and then roller skating.

But she wants to know more.

Jim Rains of Columbus, Kracman's younger brother, was 12 when she disappeared. He remembers his sister as a lively, energetic girl.

"She drove a little too fast on the gravel roads," Rains said, laughing.

"I just remember a very loving, caring, happy person, which makes it hard for me to really accept the fact that she just up and left and moved away somewhere and started a whole new life."

The Nebraska State Patrol says that may be exactly what happened.

Sgt. Robert Frank of the State Patrol's cold case division agreed to look into the case this year at the request of Rains. Frank is still investigating, but he hasn't found any evidence that a crime was committed.

"Back in the '60s, it was easy to disappear. You could change your name, change your Social Security number," Frank said.

Members of both families believe Kracman and Uphoff were seeing each other. Uphoff's family assumed they ran away together. But more than 20 years went by before the families discussed the disappearances with each other.

The dates are fuzzy, but Kracman's family believes the young woman they always called Jackie disappeared in late September 1965, about a month before Uphoff vanished.

Uphoff's family reported him missing immediately, but Kracman was not officially reported missing until 1992.

Frank said records from the initial Butler County Sheriff's Office investigation do not show any signs of a crime, but Sells and Rains aren't convinced that everything was done in those early days to find out what happened.

Jackie Rains was 16 when she married Dennis Kracman. By 18, she had two children. At the time of her disappearance, the Kracmans were separated.

She was a coil winder at an electronics company in Columbus, where she was renting a house with her two children and a roommate.

Sharon Henggeler remembers her sister Jackie as a stubborn girl who liked to get her way, but she was also big on family.

Henggeler and Rebecca Leslie, Jackie's youngest sister, both said she was overcome with homesickness during much of her marriage, calling home nearly every day when she lived in Rising City.

Henggeler, who was 17 at the time, saw her sister the night she left. Henggeler had stopped by with a friend to visit Jackie as she packed for the trip to Glenwood.

"When we stopped by, she wasn't packing for a weekend, she was packing everything," Henggeler said.

Jackie Kracman said she was going to attend a wedding, but Henggeler was worried. When she stopped at her sister's house the following Monday to drop off Jackie's children, her suspicions were confirmed.

"I knew when I hit that front porch that she wasn't going to be there," Henggeler said. "I knocked and knocked and knocked on the door."

Jackie Kracman's roommate told the family she didn't know where Jackie had gone. Henggeler said Jackie must have had help, because she didn't leave with her car. Her parents were left to wonder if their eldest daughter had abandoned her family.

After a while, the Rains family suspected foul play, but they didn't have any evidence to support that theory.

"That's just a gut feeling," Rains said.

Rains and Sells say they don't believe Uphoff and Jackie Kracman could have run away without someone knowing what happened. After so many years, some of the people who knew them, including Jackie's parents, have died, and the memories of those who are still around are fading.

Dennis Kracman, who still lives near Columbus, moved on long ago, remarrying when his children were young. But Rains and Sells still want to know what happened. With the 40th anniversary of the disappearances approaching, they're hoping someone will come forward with information.

"We just want to know the truth," Sells said. "Somebody out there knows the truth."

kandoo76
02-22-2008, 10:52 AM
Do you think the police will check it out?

phenolred
02-22-2008, 11:05 AM
I dont know its making me crazy.. I just want someone from the family to take a look at the pics and see what they think.....Based on these articles they still really want to find them.....

I think the first Guy I called was wrong, I found another number for her brother, and I have found the number of Jackies husband when she left....

I havent tried him yet. BUT I think I just found her daughter Denise......on myspace and from her pics she looks like Jackie.....

I sent her a mesassage asking if it was her....I havent heard back yet....uggh Im dying to know

raindrops300
02-22-2008, 05:06 PM
I think it looks like them also. Wish they didn't have sunglasses on so their eyes would show.

tigger3z
02-22-2008, 06:34 PM
Doris Uphoff's maiden name was Reigle. I found a newspaper article her mother died Nov. 8th 2005. I dont think they are the missing people.

kandoo76
02-22-2008, 09:17 PM
But I am wondering if he could still be Melvin?

MaryLiz
02-22-2008, 10:09 PM
But I am wondering if he could still be Melvin?

That's what I was thinking too. IF he and Jacquelyn Rains ran off together (a month apart) in 1965, maybe they split up at some point and he is now married to Doris.

kandoo76
02-22-2008, 11:39 PM
Does anyone else think that Melvin Uphoff is an unusual name? It would be really strange for two of them to be in the almost same area. Maybe I am wrong and it is a more common name than I think but I just don't know.

Teresa Larson
02-23-2008, 03:19 AM
Does anyone else think that Melvin Uphoff is an unusual name? It would be really strange for two of them to be in the almost same area. Maybe I am wrong and it is a more common name than I think but I just don't know.

It's not a common name....also Jackie could have had her name changed before she married Melvin. Has anyone ever checked to see if their Social Security numbers were ever used after they left?

MaryLiz
02-23-2008, 09:19 AM
Does anyone else think that Melvin Uphoff is an unusual name? It would be really strange for two of them to be in the almost same area. Maybe I am wrong and it is a more common name than I think but I just don't know.

I was going to say that in my previous post right above this one. It crossed my mind while I was typing the post that Melvin Uphoff is not a common name. I would assume most of the Uphoffs from that area may be related. It's a possibility that there could be 2 Melvins within the family, maybe cousins or something. Maybe Uphoff is a common name just in that area too. For example, people living in counties to the west and north of me have names I would not find that common such as Wiechart, Bendele and Selhorst. Yet there are many of them because they all had large families over the generations, so the names are common around here. It may be a similar situation with the name of Uphoff there. But I still wouldn't think there would be more than 1 or 2 Melvins.

phenolred
02-24-2008, 02:40 AM
I have not heard anything from the local or state LE. So, I decieded to make some calls myself. I found a number for Jackies brother and he was very glad that I called and he said nobody had contacted him recently from LE about this recent info I turned in. He gave me his email address so I could send him the info and the Pic. I will keep you posted when I hear something.

marysawol
02-24-2008, 04:18 AM
I stumbled across this thread and decided to do a little researching. If anyone has a subscription to Intelius.com they could do further research on this. I realize the age for Jackie is off by ten years, but, what if that was done purposely? This is what I found:

1JACQUELYN A UPHOFF (http://find.intelius.com/searching.php?trackit=64&ReportType=8&records=2&recordid=1)


View Details (http://find.intelius.com/searching.php?trackit=96&ReportType=8&records=2&recordid=1)
77
GANN VALLEY, SD

2JACQUELYN A UPHOFF (http://find.intelius.com/searching.php?trackit=64&ReportType=8&records=2&recordid=2)


View Details (http://find.intelius.com/searching.php?trackit=96&ReportType=8&records=2&recordid=2)
77
GANN VALLEY, SD

marysawol
02-24-2008, 04:55 AM
Here's another I found. Again, age is off.

JACKIE K UPHOFF (http://find.intelius.com/searching.php?trackit=64&ReportType=8&records=3&recordid=31)

70
SALEM, SD</B>-
JACKLYNN K UPHOFF
EUGENE R UPHOFF

iNTERESTEDWOMAN
02-24-2008, 11:09 AM
Living near the area where these 2 disappeared from, I can assure you that the name Uphoff is very common round here. In our area there where 2 Uphoff families that had 8 and 10 children IIRC, many boys. My children both have a couple Uphoffs in each of their graduating classes. The local cemetery is full of them, (I'm a genealogy buff so I cruise the cemetery frequently). However, after checking ancestry.com having the first name Melvin Uphoff, is not common at all. In the 1930's cencus, there are only 2 listed. One in Delaware b.1897 and one in PA b. 1924, (Is that him?) Was his family originally from PA?

ETA...no, that's not him.

phenolred
02-24-2008, 11:19 AM
Thanks everyone for your input. I have not heard back from her brother yet this morning. I remembered he also indicated that there was going to be an HBO special coming up soon about these guys and their disappearence. Im just patiently waiting for his response, do you think I should give him the Jackie info above, ( THE SD address etc)

ktbug26
02-24-2008, 12:03 PM
This is Jackies granddaughter (Denise's oldest). I find it hard to believe that they would be living so close and not want to contact any of us at any point in time. Especially after the articles in the papers a coulpe years ago.

Teresa Larson
02-24-2008, 11:34 PM
This is Jackies granddaughter (Denise's oldest). I find it hard to believe that they would be living so close and not want to contact any of us at any point in time. Especially after the articles in the papers a coulpe years ago.

If it is them or even if it's not and they are alive some place else they might be afraid to contact anyone in the family because of the heart ache they caused all of you. I have seen other cases just like this before.

ktbug26
02-25-2008, 02:17 AM
Why continue all the heartache? Everytime another newspaper article is written or news report is aired it just causes more heartache. I have seen it in my mother's eyes everytime something else is brought up or done. I think that is just a cowardly excuse. I don't think anyone realizes that the ones most affected are my mother and her brother. I know she was other peoples sister and daughter and they want answers but how would they feel to grow up their whole lives thinking that the woman who gave birth to them never wanted to be apart of their lives. Everytime this whole thing is brought up it just reopens those wounds.

tigger3z
02-25-2008, 12:14 PM
This is the obituary for Doris's mom so she definitely isn't Jackie!

Myrtle Irene (Shefneer) Reigle, 88, of Mullen, died Tuesday, Nov. 8, 2005, at the Pioneer Memorial Nursing Home in Mullen.
Funeral services will be at 10 a.m., MST, Monday, Nov. 14 at the United Methodist Church Mullen. Rev. Lila Picton will officiate.
Burial will be in the Cedarview Cemetery in Mullen. Visitation will be from 1 to 8 p.m. MST, Sunday, Nov. 13 at Mullen Funeral Home.
Mullen Funeral Home is in charge of arrangements.
Survivors include two daughters, Marjorie (Don) Pearson of Mullen, and Doris (Mel) Uphoff of Lexington; granddaughters, Julie (Mitch) Pfeiffer, Linda (Doug) Boyer, all of Mullen, Carla (Dennis) Tjaden of Julesburg, Colo., Cyndi (Kevin) Hamburger of Sioux City, Iowa, and Susan (Phil) Hoyt of Ainsworth; 14 great-grandchildren; five great-great-grandchildren; a brother, Frankie Shefneer of Morrill; a sister-in-law, Dorothy Shefneer of Sidney; and many nieces and nephews.
She was preceded in death by her parents; husband, Ray; grandson, Donald Pearson, Jr.; brother, Albert Shefneer; sisters, Emma Rogers and Lola Revere; in-laws, Elsie Prentice, John, Fay and Stanley Reigle, Verna Schekal, Irene Phillips and Eva Long.
Myrtle was born in Cherry County on March 14, 1917, to Benjamin "BF" and Martha (Stuart) Shefneer.

tigger3z
02-25-2008, 12:19 PM
Mel C Uphoff he is 71 , he was born in 1937 and Doris I. Uphoff is 68 born in 1940
Lexington Nebraska

He is a mel not Melvin and yes he could have changed his name . I hope this helps

MsRusty
02-25-2008, 12:43 PM
I read in a different article that after they disappeared there was no activity on either of their SS#s. So I would think that has to mean if they are still living they changed their IDs. But why would they do that? This is an interesting case. Frankly I don't think it's a conincidence they disappeared about the same time, I think they both met with foul play. The same article I read earlier also said that Jacque's husband had a bad temper. It would be interesting to see exactly what any investigators have uncovered.

iNTERESTEDWOMAN
02-25-2008, 01:12 PM
If they did run off to be together, there is a good chance they also split up, and moved on with their new identities. Just because they where having an affair, doesn't mean they "lasted" know what I mean? Maybe they have never been found because before now, everyone was looking for a couple, instead of each individually.

This guy could be Melvin. The dates are close, the height and weight are very close, and their eyes and nose looks a lot a like. The John Doe, has a comb-over hairdo, but wouldn't seem that uncommon for a person changing their identity to wear their hair differently....Seems Melvin's eye color has been debated. Doe network has them listed as Brown and Blue..What you guys think?
http://doenetwork.org/cases/454umoh.html

Also here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52323

tigger3z
02-25-2008, 01:49 PM
What kind of friends were they why wont they say where she went. They know the families are suffereing, if she is out there they should contact her.

I dont think Melvin is alive--I beleive he was killed because of the supposed affair with Jackie. I wonder about the affair. Did they really have one or was it in Jackie's husbands head?

I think he needs to do a lie detector test to prove he wasnt involved.

MsRusty
02-25-2008, 01:55 PM
What kind of friends were they why wont they say where she went.

This is exactly what I say! And why is it LE couldn't make them talk? Jacque's roommate was the one who gave her the last ride, why can't she reveal where she left her at? I also think LE didn't take this case serious at all and probably assumed they were just two lovers who ran off together. This is an interesting mystery, which we could have more details.



Adding the article I refered to earlier.
http://stacyheatherly.com/closure.asp

iNTERESTEDWOMAN
02-25-2008, 03:50 PM
From http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1762dmne.html


Circumstances of Disappearance
Melvin Uphoff was last seen in Rising City, Nebraska on October 24, 1965. There were rumors at the time that he was having an affair with Jacquelyn Rains (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1778dfne.html), who disappeared one month prior to Uphoff.
On October 24, 1965, Uphoff , his wife and their four children spent the day together in Shelby. They went roller-skating and had stayed at a hotel before returning home to Rising City. At 11:30 p.m. Uphoff told his wife he was going back to Shelby for a beer. Melvin left in a 1954 blue and white Oldsmobile Club Coupe 88 with NE License # 25-B2602, which has never been located. That was the last time he was seen. He didn't give any indication of never returning. He didn't take any clothes. The only thing missing was his coin collection. His family filed a missing persons report two days later. Nebraska has him missing since November 8, 1965.


I find the bold print odd from the Doenetwork site. First, Rising City and Shelby are only about 8 miles apart. I wonder why they would have stayed in a hotel? I wonder who's decision it was to stay at a hotel that night, and why. I wonder if maybe she was there, Shelby is about 22 miles south of Columbus. Actually, I'm shocked that Shelby even had a hotel, much less a skating rink. It is a very tiny town. Only about 600 people live there.

Teresa Larson
02-25-2008, 11:03 PM
[quote=tigger3z;2012477]What kind of friends were they why wont they say where she went. They know the families are suffereing, if she is out there they should contact her.

I dont think Melvin is alive--I beleive he was killed because of the supposed affair with Jackie. I wonder about the affair. Did they really have one or was it in Jackie's husbands head?

I think he needs to do a lie detector test to prove he wasnt involved.[/quot

Lie detectors do not hold up in court. Guilty people pass them every day! That wouldn't prove anything. I think it's odd they ran off a month apart. Usually lovers run away together. I think it's very possible they met with foul play.

tigger3z
02-26-2008, 11:57 PM
I dont think Jackie made it away for very long. Her husband was a controlling man who didn't seem to want to let her go. We have only his word that they were having an affair . Even her roomate didnt know about their supposed affair.

But Jackie's husband did work for Melvin. Maybe Jackie confided in him how bad things were ...Anyway I think Melvin met with the same fate. Soemone he saw at the hotel that night or was he suppose to meet with Jackie? I dont know. But he had his coin collection it sounds like he was going to give it someone or was he going there to sell it?
Melvin knew his car was in bad shape.

Melvin left in his unstable 1954 Blue and White Oldsmobile Club Coupe 88 VIN 547M9278 that he had purchased from Arthur Kowalski when a rod went out in it during a hunting trip. Arthur Kowalski would report later that he was surprised if Melvin could get very far in that car because of its poor condition.

I still think Jackie's husband should do a lie detector even if it doesnt stand up in court it sure would put some light on his knowledge of Jackie being missing.

The one thing I have found from looking at so many missing cases, is the husband or boyfriend is the culprit most of the time.

Where is the car it couldnt have gone far--so either it was put over a cliff, dismantled or ??

Teresa Larson
02-27-2008, 12:42 AM
A lie detector test will prove nothing. That's why they do not hold up in court. I have known guilty people that pass them 100&#37;. Before I hired people to work in my stores years ago they had to go through a polygraph I can't tell you how many passed the test got hired and then stole from me. I still think it's odd they left a month apart IF they ran away together Not unless they had a place to go set up previously.

Eire
02-27-2008, 10:09 AM
One of the articles on the first page has Melvin's wife saying that he invited her to go back with him for a beeer. If he were planning on running away that night, why invite his wife out with him? Seems to me, he'd want her to stay right where she was. To me, that suggests he didn't have plans to run off that night.

The same article says Jackie was in the car with two other people, but she appeared to be crouched down so nobody would see her. Maybe she did run off to escape her husband, hence her friend's unwillingness to talk to the police. Why she remains silent after all these years is beyond me. She has to know the families are heartbroken and she could at least shed some light on things, but she isn't. That's just wrong IMHO.

Rhett
02-27-2008, 10:55 AM
In my opinion, he asked her because he knew she wouldn't go. Who would watch the kids if she went? He asked her to go so that she wouldn't gripe and also it would throw suspision off of him going out suddenly so late at night.

iNTERESTEDWOMAN
02-27-2008, 12:40 PM
In my opinion, he asked her because he knew she wouldn't go. Who would watch the kids if she went? He asked her to go so that she wouldn't gripe and also it would throw suspision off of him going out suddenly so late at night.

Good point Rhett. I've known men who have done the same thing to their spouses, only to be caught later at the beer joint with the neighborhood harlot...:mad: :furious:

iNTERESTEDWOMAN
02-27-2008, 12:51 PM
I dont think Jackie made it away for very long. Her husband was a controlling man who didn't seem to want to let her go. We have only his word that they were having an affair . Even her roomate didnt know about their supposed affair.

But Jackie's husband did work for Melvin. Maybe Jackie confided in him how bad things were ...Anyway I think Melvin met with the same fate. Soemone he saw at the hotel that night or was he suppose to meet with Jackie? I dont know. But he had his coin collection it sounds like he was going to give it someone or was he going there to sell it?
Melvin knew his car was in bad shape.

Melvin left in his unstable 1954 Blue and White Oldsmobile Club Coupe 88 VIN 547M9278 that he had purchased from Arthur Kowalski when a rod went out in it during a hunting trip. Arthur Kowalski would report later that he was surprised if Melvin could get very far in that car because of its poor condition.

I still think Jackie's husband should do a lie detector even if it doesnt stand up in court it sure would put some light on his knowledge of Jackie being missing.

The one thing I have found from looking at so many missing cases, is the husband or boyfriend is the culprit most of the time.

Where is the car it couldnt have gone far--so either it was put over a cliff, dismantled or ??

You make some good points as well. One thing I can tell you for sure, is there are gravel pits in the area, and they are very deep, and the water level is in the 100's of feet. It is possible to push a car into one and never see it again. There was a case in Edgar Nebraska area where a woman was missing for ages. They finally found her and her car in the bottom of such a pit when divers where practicing scuba.

RockinJimmy
02-27-2008, 01:38 PM
Hello Everyone! My name is Jim Rains and I am Jackie's brother. I am new here and wanted to let you know that I will do my best to answer any questions you may have regarding her or Melvin's disappearance. This does not necessarily mean I have the correct answers, but since there are not a lot of anwers to begin with, please bear with me. I certainly appreciate that you are interested in helping find her and Melvin. Thank you! :)

MsRusty
02-27-2008, 02:13 PM
Welcome to Websleuths, Jim. I am sorry that you're family has had to go through this. I have to admit I find the mystery of your sister's disappearance interesting. There are so many questions, and like you say, probably not many answers.
My first thought in this is that they met with foul play, although I can make a case either way. Was Jackie's husband ever looked at at all? Nowadays, they always look at the spouse, I wonder how it was back then. Also, the two children she left behind, did her husband raise them or did your family keep them?

RockinJimmy
02-27-2008, 03:13 PM
Thank you, MsRusty. It has been a difficult for my family as with so many others. I too, suspect foul play although I have no proof. Dennis was questioned originally by then Sheriff Leo Meister (now retired and a Nebraska Hall of Fame Sheriff to boot!) who was also good friends with Dennis's father. I believe he was questioned again, a couple of years ago by Sgt. Robert Frank of the Nebraska State Patrol.
Dennis raised the two children and remarried. My family was not allowed any contact with them until they both became old enough to come to us on their own, despite their Father's wishes.

tigger3z
02-27-2008, 03:27 PM
I have a few questions when Jackie left did she just take clothes? Or did she take photo albums, items that she would consider precious to her?

After Jackie went missing did her husband act oddly in any way? Are there gravel pits there?

Her husband worked with Melvin did they get along (before the supposed affair)?

Melvin Uphoff (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1762dmne.html) supervised Jacqueline Rains husband at a service station in Rising City. When Melvin left what happened at the service station? I am curious if Jackie's husband moved up?

Did you know if Jackie really knew Melvin? Were they friends?


Was Melvin Uphoff financially well off?

tigger3z
02-27-2008, 03:30 PM
Did Jackie have life insurance on her?

tigger3z
02-27-2008, 03:40 PM
Ms Rusty posted a link to http://stacyheatherly.com/closure.asp

The following info was from there: Jackie's roomate and friend is Sally Fisher. She was not contacted for 40 years by law enforcement. Given the fact that 40 years had passed Sally Fisher was unable to recall many details, but she agreed to to undergo hypnosis. Sally Fisher reports that Jackie was fearful of her husband Dennis Kracman and many times fled to get away from his violent behavior. Many times the two would get a motel room and Dennis would always find them. The day after Jackie’s disappearance Sally reports that Dennis found her at a motel where she had been staying and shoved her into the door violently demanding her to tell him where his wife was. When he busted into the room and explored all the rooms and the closets, convinced Jackie wasn’t there he left speeding out of the parking lot. Sally reports that to this day, that scene and Dennis’s temper haunts her.

So her friend did tell Police what she knew but she assumed Jackie had gotten in touch with her family a long time ago. And Jackie was afraid of her husband.

RockinJimmy
02-27-2008, 03:48 PM
To the best of my knowledge, she only took clothing. I'm not sure about Dennis acting "oddly" but he worked at a sandpit 3 miles from his parents farm at the time. He had either quit or been fired from service station, I'm not sure. Yes, Jackie knew Melvin and Myrna, his wife. No, other than his coin collection and steady job, Melvin was not "well off". If Jackie had any life insurance, it would have been through her employment, but I don't believe she was there long enough to qualify.

tigger3z
02-27-2008, 04:01 PM
Interesting. I can't imagine a Mom leaving and not taking photos of her kids with her. Especialy if she planned on not coming back. Or taking anything that she felt was important to her. Melvin wasn't well off and he has never used his social security number.

I find it inetersting Dennis worked at a sand pit during this time. Do you know if he quit or lost his job before or after he told Myrna about the affair. Did any of you ssupect they were having an affaird or was it just Dennis that said this? Did Jackie ever tell her sisters that she was having and affair with Melvin.

Had Jackie saved money to take with her, did she take her last check from her job?

RockinJimmy
02-27-2008, 04:06 PM
I'm not sure about his job timeline. I think most everyone in Rising City suspected the affair. Jackie was poor and never received her last check. My Father picked it up at her place of employment.

raindrops300
02-27-2008, 04:32 PM
So Rains is Jacquelyn's maiden name and her former husband's name is Dennis Kracman? Does anyone know if he has any kind of criminal history?

RockinJimmy
02-27-2008, 04:37 PM
On another note, I would like to set some information straight. At the time of her disappearance or shortly thereafter, Jackie was reported missing by my Father to, who else, but Sheriff Leo Meister. It was always assumed that he filed an official "Missing Person Report". Then in 1994, my sister Becky discovered this was not the case and filed an "official" report. Sheriff Meister had never filed a report on Jackie and had kept no file on her case other than "what he kept in his head". We were told "that's just the way they did it back then".

RockinJimmy
02-27-2008, 04:40 PM
Dennis drank alot, but I'm not sure about criminal activity. I am sure it would have been petty stuff, if any.

MsRusty
02-27-2008, 04:44 PM
I can believe that back then they didn't take missing adult reports seriously, especially if it was known that Jackie had packed bags before leaving. I think it was in the article I posted that there was nothing in Melvin's folder years later either.

RockinJimmy
02-27-2008, 04:52 PM
I do have a rather lengthy (true) story to tell everyone regarding Dennis' violent behavior, but because I am currently at work, it will have to wait until hopefully, tonight. It is the primary reason I suspect Dennis.

tigger3z
02-27-2008, 05:00 PM
Is it posible Jacie was pregnant when she left?

RockinJimmy
02-27-2008, 05:03 PM
There has been much speculation about that! Unfortunately, there is no way of knowing.

iNTERESTEDWOMAN
02-27-2008, 05:47 PM
To the best of my knowledge, she only took clothing. I'm not sure about Dennis acting "oddly" but he worked at a sandpit 3 miles from his parents farm at the time. He had either quit or been fired from service station, I'm not sure. Yes, Jackie knew Melvin and Myrna, his wife. No, other than his coin collection and steady job, Melvin was not "well off". If Jackie had any life insurance, it would have been through her employment, but I don't believe she was there long enough to qualify.

Welcome RockinJimmy! I got this very creepy goose bump feeling when I read what you wrote...he worked at a sand pit??OMG. :eek: (sand/gravel...same deep hole). It would be very interesting to gets some sonar equipment and check the water there.

RockinJimmy
02-27-2008, 05:54 PM
Thank you iNTERESTEDWOMAN! I know a gemtleman who worked with Dennis at this sandpit at that time. He says it would have been very easy for Dennis to do things there at night and not be noticed. This fits in with my theory.

ktbug26
02-27-2008, 05:58 PM
Here's another possible scenario. Who's to say Melvin didn't get rid of Jackie, cash in his coin collection and assume a different identity? Which would have been very easy to do back in 1965. We can sit here and speculate all we want but we may never know the real answers. I was always raised there is only one true judge.

MsRusty
02-27-2008, 06:11 PM
That is a possible scenario, but if Melvin wanted Jackie dead I don't see why he himself would have had to disappear. I mean the only reason I can see as to why he'd want Jackie dead would be because she was causing trouble in his marriage, which if he was going to disappear anyway than he needn't have killed her in the first place.
You are correct in saying we can speculate all we want and never know the real answers. Unless Jackie and Melvin turn up on their own most likely the truth will never be known.
I don't think anybody here is judging Dennis, we're only sharing our ideas on what might have happened. That is what we do here.

iNTERESTEDWOMAN
02-27-2008, 07:17 PM
Here's another possible scenario. Who's to say Melvin didn't get rid of Jackie, cash in his coin collection and assume a different identity? Which would have been very easy to do back in 1965. We can sit here and speculate all we want but we may never know the real answers. I was always raised there is only one true judge.

Hi there ktbug26. I'm happy to see you here too! I guess I didn't catch on earlier that you are a Grandchild of Jackie's. This must be very difficult for your Mother, and you as well, never knowing what became of your Grandma. Somethings we discuss might be very bothersome to you, especially any comments about your Grandfather, but please know, that for the most part the people on this board are good people, and only want to find the truth. The moderators are also very good about keeping the riff raff out, and discussion appropriate.

The reason why anyone would question Dennis is simply because statistically, when a spouse goes missing in a very large percentage of cases, the remaining spouse is found guilty of the crime. The same should go with Melvin. His wife should also be a suspect. She could have sold off the coin collection herself, or used it as a "payment" to take her cheating husband out...If a body can be found, (dead or alive) or the missing car found, this case can be solved.

Hang in there. We could really use your input.

ktbug26
02-28-2008, 02:40 AM
I dont doubt that you are not good people. And yes it bothers me that people think my grandfather would have anything to do with this. I was not trying to offend anyone. I am just a granddaughter defending someone she loves.

tigger3z
02-28-2008, 07:20 AM
ktbug26 I too am sorry for your loss it has to be hard not to know what happened to your great grandmother.

phenolred
02-28-2008, 09:11 AM
I guys I had posted the information about the Mel & Doris Uphoff. I was so excited about the find that I emailed the Local and State Police, however I never heard anything back from them.
So, I starting searching for relatives that I could contact and share the information. The only one I could get ahold of on Friday was Dennis Kracman himself. He said he does not have an email so I couldnt send him the pic. But, he said I could mail it to him and he would look at it. I told him I had sent it to the Local Police and gave him the name of the Local Sherrif that I emailed and he said that is the wrong person. He said Leo Meister was the one I needed to get with, he said he was the original investigator.
So, Saturday I called Jim Jackies brother. I emailed him the pics and he is now here joining in Thanks for joining us Jim. They dont think that is them.
Monday I got an email from one of Melvins daughters, this is the info she gave me about the Melvin I found
He is not my dad. He was questioned he thought in 1966 when he and his band were going to play in Omaha. He was also questioned in 1999 by the Nebraska State Patrol. He and I visited for about 20 minutes or so and he also sent me an email. He was very informative about his life and where he was born. Thank you so much for letting us know about this tip. It means the world to us to know there are people out there trying to help us.


I have also invited Melvins daughter to join us.

MsRusty
02-28-2008, 09:22 AM
Wow, Phenolred, that's very good work.
Jim and Jackie's granddaugther have both joined us here.
This story is very interesting to me and I for one am glad to hear that the family is joining us.
I'm going to be away from the computer most of the day, there was a story Jim wanted to share with us, maybe he will have posted by the time I get in tonight.
Keep up the good work!

Everybody have a good day.

MsRusty
02-28-2008, 09:47 AM
One thing I was going to suggest is, is it possible they left the country? We know that they're SS numbers weren't used after they disappeared, is they left the country couldn't they still go by thier real names? I'm not sure if this would have turned up in any of the investigater's searches.

phenolred
02-28-2008, 10:27 AM
I can post a link where the family can enter their SS numbers in and see if they have been reported to SS as deceased. Normally a funeral home will turn this info in for the families. Or if the family is due SS for the deceased it is not always 100&#37; but it is worth a look it is the Social Security Death Index. Here is one link

http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/

http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi


opps never mind on Melvin I looked him up by name and he is listed a Death date 1972 Nebraska, I forgot he was decalred legally dead. I didnt find Jackie by name maybe you could search by SS#

tigger3z
02-28-2008, 12:35 PM
Having lived in quite a few different countires it would be hard to leave without a passport first. Since neither had alot of money I just don't see traveling on their mind. But if they did, and had a passport they stil couldn't live in another country and work without a visa.

I dont know how you would go about checking a sandpit, but I truly believe there is going to be some answers there . I think the car is there. And if Melvin is there too then we know he didnt kill Jackie. But at least if its searched it may answer some questions.

The only other way they could be out there is with assumed identites and social security numbers. And thats still a possibility.

Or Jackie did leace assumed a new identity and Melvin's case is not connected, he wa skilled for the coin collection.

What type of coin collection was it, was it in a particular case. Were there special coins that or markings that would lead to finding this collection?

RockinJimmy
02-28-2008, 01:56 PM
I too, am sorry this is hard for Katie. She has every right to defend her Grandfather as she should.

But this is hard for everyone involved.

Her Uncle Todd told me it's just like chocolate milk, "if you've never had it, you don't know what you are missing."

Her Mother told me that growing up, she was always told by her Father that her real Mother was at the bottom of the Missouri River.

It is so easy for emotions to run strong, but let's get a few things straight....

MY SISTER, whether she left of her own volition, or met some other fate, WAS THE VICTIM!

She was the victim of physical and mental abuse by a husband who beat and raped her!

She left him and was living with a female companion because she feared for her safety and that of her children!

If she was having an affair, it was with an older man who should have known better than to take advantage of a vulnerable young Mother!

For the sacred memory of my sister, please do not overlook thess facts as local law enforcement has been so willing to do!

One of the reasons I joined this forum is because, to the best of my knowledge, the members do not know anyone involved. Therefore you can give fair and impartial opinions about this tragedy!

Thank you.

kandoo76
02-28-2008, 02:13 PM
Do you think there is any truth to her being in the Missouri River? Has anyone checked this out?

phenolred
02-28-2008, 03:10 PM
I dont think a young abused mother like that would just leave her kids with an abuser. I think something must have happend to her.

tigger3z
02-28-2008, 05:53 PM
(the abuse)That makes sense that is why Jackie never took anything perosnal like photo albums etc. because she didnt want to arouse suspicion that she was doing anything but going to a wedding.

I know something about the good old boy network. My sister was abused by her husband when she called the cops they took their time to respond or did nothing but talk to him. When he finally tried to kill her with a gun, they talked him into going to a mental hospital for a month. Her husband was back after 30 days. The cops did their best to make her life miserable (they were his friends) and it was his town!

I still don't beleive Jackie and Melvin left to be together. I think its a coincidence in a sense. Jackie left to get away from what was happening to her. I think she was killed by someone she knew. She would have called her mother if she could have. Even if she left with Melvin she had no reason to fear him. She would have called her mother.

Melvin had a coin collection in the back of his car the night he went to town. Someone may have thought this coin collection was worth alot. He may have broken down with his car (since it was the seller didn't think the car would go far) and someone stopped to help who saw that coin collection. Or he was killed for personal reasons. But Melvin definitely didnt make an escape from town with that car. I still think its there in the sand pit.

Melvin didn't plan to leave, no packed clothes, a car that would break down any minute, but he took a coin collection that hasn't shown up anywhere. If nothing else you would think he would bring an overnight bag, with shaving items, etc. He didn't have alot of money so rebuying things like rebuying clothes would have been hard.

I think the place Melvin went to have a drink places a key role. Did he make it there for a drink or not? Is there any one there to ask or did they ask back then? Did anyone meet him there, did he talk about the coin collection. Who else knew he had this coin collection?

MsRusty
02-28-2008, 07:48 PM
I think the disappearance of these two was never taken seriously. Since it was said she packed to leave they figured she was wanting to be gone. And once Melvin disappeared and the rumor was they were having an affair they just blew it off. If they had at least taken his disappearance seriously they would have gone to the bar and questioned people there. I don't think they did that.
Phenolred, when you spoke with Melvin's daughter what was her opinion of what happened? Does she believe they ran away or that her father met with foul play?
There are so many possibilities here. You know if the two had actually disappeared at the same time I might be able to believe 100&#37; one way or another what happened to them. But the fact that they disappeared a month apart...I don't know. I just find it hard to wrap my head around the fact that (assuming it was the husband) he'd have to have commited murder twice (two seperate occasions). If we want to assume Melvin killed her I don't think he'd have reason to disappear.
Also couldn't the coin collection be anywhere? If LE wasn't looking for him at that time why would they be concerned about the whereabouts of the collection? Same with the car, if he left on his own, whose to say he didn't cross state line and sell it off there? If he sold it as junk he may have not needed to transfer a title. So many questions.

MsRusty
02-28-2008, 07:57 PM
One more thing, the fact that Dennis would tell his children that their mother is in the bottom of the Missouri River is very telling. What kind of person does this?? Even if Jackie ran off on her own you don't tell kids something like that. You can hate her all you want in private but at least be nice with the kids. Maybe there was some cover-up, who knows.

ASU2USC
02-28-2008, 08:26 PM
Rough theory - is it possible that Jackie left on her own (or was killed by Perp A) and that Perp B thought that Mel was somehow involved, and had a confrontation with him to try to find out what happened to Jackie and Mel was killed? Obviously if Jackie was killed, and this theory is true, it would necessitate two perpetrators. But if Jackie left on her own, there would only need to be one perpetrator.

Just throwing that out there.

tigger3z
02-28-2008, 08:34 PM
Did Jackie have friends that lived in other towns close by? How far was a railroad station from where she lived. Did she date much after she seperated from her husband?

Jackie had very little money and didnt pick up her last check. She also didnt take her car so she wasn't planning on going to far unless she was meeting someone.

I can't imagine her just sitting and waiting for a month. So maybe she was meeting someone else and not Melvin.

ktbug26
02-28-2008, 09:39 PM
Sitting here with my mom and she would like me to clarify the story about the Missouri River. My grandfather never said that they were in the Missouri River. There was supposedly a truck found in the bottom of the Missouri River. This truck was supposedly stolen from the Shelby or Rising City Co-op around the time of their disappearances and there were no bodies found. This story was not told until the 70's when the Uphoffs went to court to declare Melvin legally dead. At that time my mother was only nine. When it comes to contact with the Rains family my grandfather was trying to protect his kids because back in 1965 a disappearance like this was rare. He never discouraged my mom from contacting the Rains when she was older. I know this probably wont mean much to you but mom wanted you to know that the last time she spoke with her father she told him she believes her mother is dead and her father told her no I believe she is still alive. I feel that this is going to turn into a he said she said situation so this will probably be the last time you will hear from me.

tigger3z
02-28-2008, 09:50 PM
Please dont stop posting, the only way to figure out what happened is to have the truth. And there is always different sides in the truth because people take away from a situation different things and memories change.

A truck missing about that time is interesting except if nothing was found in it then it may have just been stolen and driven into the lake, or??

I am beginning to think Jackie left on her own not with Melvin or to be with him. I think Melvin was killed for the coin collection, or he saw something that night he went back to the bar. Their leaving a month apart is a coincidence.

Did any other people just leave town during that time, move away? Did Jackie have other friends besides Sally.

I am so sorry this has been so hard on your family. I wish If Jackie was alive she would call and take the pain of wondering away.

phenolred
02-28-2008, 10:15 PM
I have also wondered if Jackie left on her own becuase she just couldnt take it anymore. Then she was scared to return or call 1 because of fear 2 because of shame for leaving her kids, and she thought people would think bad about her think she was a bad mom etc, and if this was a small town gossip etc, and during the time she dissappeared times were different she would have been thought of as a sinful woman etc. So, if she did leave on her own and she is still alive using another name maybe she still has some of these thoughts and that is why she has not made contact.

So I think we need to put it out there that she is still loved by her family and she is still wanted.

Maybe DENNIS thought it was Melvins fault that she ran off and he confronted him things out heated and maybe Dennis killed him. Maybe Jackie heard about Melvins disappearnce and feared Dennis might have killed him so she for sure didnt want to return.

So Many maybes.

Melvins daughter didnt indicate her theory. I will ask her and see if she responds

tigger3z
02-29-2008, 09:54 AM
Was the truck from the co-op damaged like it had hit another vehicle?

iNTERESTEDWOMAN
02-29-2008, 10:07 AM
I still find the hotel part quite strange. Why would Melvin and his family stay in a hotel in Shelby?? Rising city and Village of Shelby are both small towns, only 7 miles apart. (actually 6.3 according to google maps) It would take less than 10 minutes to drive. From what I understand, they stayed at the hotel the night before he went missing. Spent the next day roller skating, went home to Rising City, and he went back that night, after asking his wife to join him for a drink, (and leave the small children at home alone...) He must be related to the McCanns...:) She declined, he went anyway, and the rest is history.

Why the hotel? Supposedly they where struggling somewhat financially. By the way, there is no longer a skating rink or a hotel in Shelby.

phenolred
02-29-2008, 12:05 PM
I still find the hotel part quite strange. Why would Melvin and his family stay in a hotel in Shelby?? Rising city and Village of Shelby are both small towns, only 7 miles apart. (actually 6.3 according to google maps) It would take less than 10 minutes to drive. From what I understand, they stayed at the hotel the night before he went missing. Spent the next day roller skating, went home to Rising City, and he went back that night, after asking his wife to join him for a drink, (and leave the small children at home alone...) He must be related to the McCanns...:) She declined, he went anyway, and the rest is history.

Why the hotel? Supposedly they where struggling somewhat financially. By the way, there is no longer a skating rink or a hotel in Shelby.

Same here What is the deal with the motel??? (the McCanns LOL)

However, there could be an explanation. This weekend as a matter of fact, we had a plumbing problem, we could take showers flush etc,

So, Saturday night we had to get a motel room which is just like 4-5 miles from out home.

Another time me and my ADHD, I forgot to send my electric bill on time and my electricity was turned off on a weeknight. I didnt find out until I got home AFTER 5 pm and they were already closed all we got was a recording. So it was not able to be turned back on until the next day, needless to say se had to get a Motel room that night tooo, My husband was sooo thrilled with me that night lol.

Luckily the plumbing thing this weekend was not my fault. So What I am saying is maybe something was wrong at their house and they couldnt stay there.

I would love to know though. I will try to ask Melvins Daughter, I really wish she would join us here. However, I do want to keep this impartial and be able to throw our ideas out there without hurting anyones feelings because these people are their realatives.

tigger3z
03-01-2008, 09:18 AM
I am not sure about the hotel either but if he had planned to leave was this ---spending the last time he would with them so he wanted to enjoy it and them too. It sure sounds like they did alot.

Also he took nothing from the house when he left but I would assume he packed a bag for the hotel did he bring it home with him and in the house? I wonder if he left something at the hotel. Or he was going back to meet someone.

I would like to know more about the truck that was stolen from the co-op and found in the water. Did the truck have paint from another car --was it damaged like it ran into something? Was anything else missing from the co-op?

Myrna said after a month (of being asked by her if he was having an affair) he started acting weird. How so? Did he change his routine? Was he different with her and the kids? Was he secretive?

At the same time was Jackie acting strange? Is there anyone she worked with that still lives there?

I want to say thank you to all the family members who have answered our questions and allowed us into your lives. I pray an answer will come. You deserve closure.

Masterj
03-01-2008, 09:40 AM
I still find the hotel part quite strange. Why would Melvin and his family stay in a hotel in Shelby?? Rising city and Village of Shelby are both small towns, only 7 miles apart. (actually 6.3 according to google maps) It would take less than 10 minutes to drive. From what I understand, they stayed at the hotel the night before he went missing. Spent the next day roller skating, went home to Rising City, and he went back that night, after asking his wife to join him for a drink, (and leave the small children at home alone...) He must be related to the McCanns...:) She declined, he went anyway, and the rest is history.

Why the hotel? Supposedly they where struggling somewhat financially. By the way, there is no longer a skating rink or a hotel in Shelby.

What if Melvin was afraid to be at home with his family that night? We already hear he was acting odd - maybe he knew something was about to happen. He could have taken his family to the hotel to get them out of the house. I wonder if someone had threatened him.

iNTERESTEDWOMAN
03-01-2008, 09:48 AM
What if Melvin was afraid to be at home with his family that night? We already hear he was acting odd - maybe he knew something was about to happen. He could have taken his family to the hotel to get them out of the house. I wonder if someone had threatened him.

Hummm, that is very possible. But still, he left them there alone the next night. (and forever after) :waitasec:

tigger3z
03-02-2008, 09:50 AM
Myrna said he was acting weird after a month, what does she mean by that? Again I am curious about the truck stolen. And when did Dennis leave his job with Melvin before Jackie and Melvin disappeared.

MsRusty
03-09-2008, 05:21 PM
I really wish there was something more that could be done with this case. I guess it's one of those cases that may never be solved or will only be solved when/if they reappear or their bodies are discovered.
Because they didn't disappear at the same time it makes it harder for me to wonder what could have happened. We know that Jackie packed her suitcases so she planned on leaving obviously. But why would she leave a whole 30 days before Melvin? Could Melvin have sold the coin collection and told her to set up house somewhere else until he could leave? (Him thinking that disappearing seperately wouldn't arouse suspicion.) I can see if Jackie left and was maybe trying to hide from Dennis and than maybe she was found and harmed by him. (I mean no disrespect to the granddaughter, I'm only throwing out scenarios here.) But if that happened, what became of Melvin? I find it hard to believe (going with the Dennis theory) that Dennis could have killed Melvin, disposed of his car and body without any help. I have to assume that Dennis was close to Jackie's age at the time, and frankly I can't see a kid being smart enough to pull that off. Of course there's always the possiblity that their disappearances are totally coincidental.
It's just too bad this case wasn't handled right by the authorities at that time, we might have more answers now if they had.

Teresa Larson
03-09-2008, 10:01 PM
I really wish there was something more that could be done with this case. I guess it's one of those cases that may never be solved or will only be solved when/if they reappear or their bodies are discovered.
Because they didn't disappear at the same time it makes it harder for me to wonder what could have happened. We know that Jackie packed her suitcases so she planned on leaving obviously. But why would she leave a whole 30 days before Melvin? Could Melvin have sold the coin collection and told her to set up house somewhere else until he could leave? (Him thinking that disappearing seperately wouldn't arouse suspicion.) I can see if Jackie left and was maybe trying to hide from Dennis and than maybe she was found and harmed by him. (I mean no disrespect to the granddaughter, I'm only throwing out scenarios here.) But if that happened, what became of Melvin? I find it hard to believe (going with the Dennis theory) that Dennis could have killed Melvin, disposed of his car and body without any help. I have to assume that Dennis was close to Jackie's age at the time, and frankly I can't see a kid being smart enough to pull that off. Of course there's always the possiblity that their disappearances are totally coincidental.
It's just too bad this case wasn't handled right by the authorities at that time, we might have more answers now if they had.


Melvin was 30 and Jackie was 18 when they disappeared.

MsRusty
03-25-2008, 07:02 PM
bumping up.
Anybody have anything to add to our discussion?

KarlK
03-25-2008, 09:03 PM
Because they didn't disappear at the same time it makes it harder for me to wonder what could have happened. We know that Jackie packed her suitcases so she planned on leaving obviously. But why would she leave a whole 30 days before Melvin?

To ward off suspicion would be my guess.

Anita Richman
03-25-2008, 11:29 PM
Hi all. Back in the late '90s there was a Nebraska couple (just friends) who went missing after going to a neighboring town for drinks. I believe she was married, he was not. (Gosh, I wish I could recall their names and the town they were from.) Anyway, it was always thought (rumored) that they had run away together, even though there was never any bank/credit card activity for either of them. A few years back they were found submerged in a drainage ditch; they were the victims of a tragic car accident.

Those windy rural roads can be dangerous, especially at night and after drinking. Possibly Melvin was the victim of an accident on his way home from the hotel. Sending divers into those gravel pits might be the answer.

Unfortunately, based on the history; the ages of the estranged spouses and the fact that Dennis wouldn't let his wife's family see their children, I think Jackie tried to leave Dennis, but he found her first. I have to agree with Rockinjim, that his sister was a victim, no matter how you look at it.

phenolred
03-26-2008, 08:14 AM
There has been ALOT of people that were Missing Persons that have been FOUND in lakes ponds hbodiezs of water lately. One Just this week here in Indiana a Young married man missing since 2005 I think, he was on his way to work in his Jeep, a new investigator just took over the case and within a month they found him he was in the retention pond in his Own Neighborhood. It was very early in the morning and dark when he left for work.

The other was a guy from Indiana found in his car, in Scott Javins he was in the Wabash River.

And there was another a few months back a man missing 15 years, he apparently had an accident and went off the road into water, and he was just found.

It makes you wonder how many of these missing persons that are missing along WITH THEIR CARS are in lakes rivers or ponds victims of tragic accidents.

MsRusty
03-26-2008, 01:27 PM
I've heard of several missing people cold cases solved many years later by finding them in their vehicle at the bottom of some body of water. I wonder if Melvin's family ever considered this? I can't remember where I read (may have been in earlier posts) that the daughter drives the route her father must have taken over and over to see if she's missing something.
Again, I don't believe Dennis was responsible for his disappearance. I can't see a kid pulling that off. And I'd think if he had had some buddies help him somebody would have cracked by now. I know there was talk of this story appearing on HBO, I can't wait to see it.
Has anybody seen cases where people have been away for this length of time and then resurfaced? I know I have, but I can't recall the actual cases. (I've seen it like on Unsolved Mysteries and such.)

Anita Richman
03-26-2008, 01:47 PM
I've heard of several missing people cold cases solved many years later by finding them in their vehicle at the bottom of some body of water. I wonder if Melvin's family ever considered this? I can't remember where I read (may have been in earlier posts) that the daughter drives the route her father must have taken over and over to see if she's missing something.
Again, I don't believe Dennis was responsible for his disappearance. I can't see a kid pulling that off. And I'd think if he had had some buddies help him somebody would have cracked by now. I know there was talk of this story appearing on HBO, I can't wait to see it.
Has anybody seen cases where people have been away for this length of time and then resurfaced? I know I have, but I can't recall the actual cases. (I've seen it like on Unsolved Mysteries and such.)
I can't recall any cases where the person has hidden away for over 30 years.

I go back and forth about whether I think Dennis could have pulled it off. He could have killed Melvin in a rage and rolled his car into the gravel pit, easy. He obviously wasn't above being violent towards people other than Jackie, since he assaulted her friend Sally, too.

Teresa Larson
03-26-2008, 11:38 PM
I can't recall any cases where the person has hidden away for over 30 years.

I go back and forth about whether I think Dennis could have pulled it off. He could have killed Melvin in a rage and rolled his car into the gravel pit, easy. He obviously wasn't above being violent towards people other than Jackie, since he assaulted her friend Sally, too.

There are a lot of people that disappear and start a new life. It's fairly easy to do especially years ago It was easy to get a new ID and social security card. It's really bad when people do this and leave their kids behind. It's tough to grow up wondering where your parent went and why they left you.

phenolred
03-27-2008, 08:15 AM
In Oct 2007 I started helping a lady look for her brother who up and left in 1968 and had never been heard from again. They didnt know if he was alive or dead. In February 2008 he was found alive and well. He had went to Europe and lived there for about 10 yrs and then went to the far east and lived for another 25 yrs or so. So, for 40 yrs he was missing and they are now getting to know each other and it is amazing!!!

Anita Richman
03-27-2008, 02:32 PM
Phenolred, that's an amazing story. I supposed I was projecting myself into those scenarios and not being able to imagine being able to hide myself from my family.

I do know of a story of two boys who grew up thinking that their parents had abandoned them, 40 or 50 years ago. Their parents drove off one day to go "shopping" and never came home. Both those boys grew up to be alcoholics, depressed; I think one of them ended his life by suicide.

Last year (or the year before), divers found the parents car, and their remains in a lake near their home. In (or near their car) was the new clothes washer the parents had gone into town to buy.

So, I always assume, unless the person turns up alive (and they had successfully started a new life elsewhere), that they died and have not been found.

MsRusty
03-27-2008, 07:54 PM
Phenolred: Do you know anything more about this case that hasn't been shared on this thread? I know you had been in contact with several of the relatives of both Jackie and Melvin. I do wish her brother would come back and share his ideas with us. I feel bad for their families. I'd really like to know what kind of things they've already done to try and solve this case.

MsRusty
04-19-2008, 09:21 AM
bumping up for Jackie Rains.

msells
04-21-2008, 09:36 PM
Hi, I am Melvin's daughter. I just want to clear up the situation of the hotel. It was a Hotel 50 years ago. The Shelby Hotel is now a bar and grill. It is called THE HOTEL. We did not stay there. We went and had a late night snack there. It is not someplace where we spent the night. I wanted to clear that up. I knew it wouldn't make sense to alot of people who don't live around here.

MsRusty
04-21-2008, 11:45 PM
Hi, I am Melvin's daughter. I just want to clear up the situation of the hotel. It was a Hotel 50 years ago. The Shelby Hotel is now a bar and grill. It is called THE HOTEL. We did not stay there. We went and had a late night snack there. It is not someplace where we spent the night. I wanted to clear that up. I knew it wouldn't make sense to alot of people who don't live around here.

Welcome to the board!
I am very interested in this case. I wish that there was some way your family could find the answers they so desperately seek.
Please feel free to share whatever you'd like with us.

Can we ask you questions?

If you're willing to answer them, I'd like to ask about the coin collection. Is your family sure it disappeared with him, or could it have been missing for some time and it was assumed he took it with him? And what was it worth at that time?

msells
04-22-2008, 08:52 PM
Yes, you can ask me questions. I will answer them to the best of my knowledge. All what we know have come from my mom, Jackie's brothers and sisters, her mom and dad, Sally Fisher, and my own investigating the case. I have tried for a very long time to get answers to my questions. I will not take offense to anything that is said in this forum. I know that it is just opinions. This has been almost 43 years ago. Everyone has had the chance to meet on a few occassions and tell their memories of what happened and what things were like back then. Some have chose not to come forward and share. I started asking questions 18 years ago. I got the courage up to call Jackie's father, John Rains. I felt I needed courage because I felt like my father took away their daughter. I felt we were responsible for dad's action. Mr. Rains was very nice and he invited us to their home to talk. Cathy and Mrs. Rains were also there. They were very open and honest about the life Jackie led. Mrs. Rains was very hurt by Jackie leaving and not knowing where her daughter was. Jackie kept in touch with her family on a daily basis. It was not like her to not call home. That was according to her parents and Cathy. I feel what the Rains family told their story exactly the way they remember it. It was such a tramatic day in their lives when she disappeared they would not forget it like my mom. It is unreal to me how a person can walk away from their family and friends with never any contact. Especially when they have children. They left apart of themselves here. Between them there were six kids back here. Dad was an only child. He was very close to his mom. Grandma treasured the ground he walked on. I don't think dad could do any wrong in her eyes. I can't imagine him walking away from his mom and his relatives without contacting a one of them in 43 years.
I have been told by Sgt. Frank to get over it and accept it. Not to put myself in their shoes. I may not be able to do this but they could and did. I can not get over it and accept it. I need to know what happened to them. I may never find out the truth but I will die trying. I will never give up hope that we will learn the truth. There is someone out there that knows what happened to them. Let the truth set them free.

MsRusty
04-22-2008, 09:23 PM
So then you're of the opinion that they ran away together?

msells
04-22-2008, 09:36 PM
Honestly, I really don't know what to think. I have a few endings to my story. Number one, they left together and ran off into the sunset and lived happily everafter. Number two, some harm came to Jackie, dad got scared and took off. Number three, harm came to both of them and will never be seen or heard from again.

MaryLiz
04-22-2008, 09:39 PM
Yes, you can ask me questions. I will answer them to the best of my knowledge. All what we know have come from my mom, Jackie's brothers and sisters, her mom and dad, Sally Fisher, and my own investigating the case. I have tried for a very long time to get answers to my questions. I will not take offense to anything that is said in this forum. I know that it is just opinions. This has been almost 43 years ago. Everyone has had the chance to meet on a few occassions and tell their memories of what happened and what things were like back then. Some have chose not to come forward and share. I started asking questions 18 years ago. I got the courage up to call Jackie's father, John Rains. I felt I needed courage because I felt like my father took away their daughter. I felt we were responsible for dad's action. Mr. Rains was very nice and he invited us to their home to talk. Cathy and Mrs. Rains were also there. They were very open and honest about the life Jackie led. Mrs. Rains was very hurt by Jackie leaving and not knowing where her daughter was. Jackie kept in touch with her family on a daily basis. It was not like her to not call home. That was according to her parents and Cathy. I feel what the Rains family told their story exactly the way they remember it. It was such a tramatic day in their lives when she disappeared they would not forget it like my mom. It is unreal to me how a person can walk away from their family and friends with never any contact. Especially when they have children. They left apart of themselves here. Between them there were six kids back here. Dad was an only child. He was very close to his mom. Grandma treasured the ground he walked on. I don't think dad could do any wrong in her eyes. I can't imagine him walking away from his mom and his relatives without contacting a one of them in 43 years.
I have been told by Sgt. Frank to get over it and accept it. Not to put myself in their shoes. I may not be able to do this but they could and did. I can not get over it and accept it. I need to know what happened to them. I may never find out the truth but I will die trying. I will never give up hope that we will learn the truth. There is someone out there that knows what happened to them. Let the truth set them free.

I could never just "get over it and accept it" if one of my family members disappeared. You have every right to keep looking and trying to find out the truth of what happened to your father. I would not give up until my dying day either. It makes me so mad when members of law enforcement make statements like that. They have no idea what it feels like and I don't either since it has never happened to me, but I darn sure know I would NEVER give up searching. Good luck to you, msells.

msells
04-22-2008, 09:42 PM
Thank you MaryBeth, I will do just that. No one knows what it feels like to hear those things. Especially from professional law enforcement that are suppose to be helping you.

MsRusty
04-22-2008, 09:49 PM
Well based on the reports we've seen or rather the articles, I don't think LE ever took this case seriously. They assumed the two had run off and didn't check anything out, like did Melvin ever make it to the bar that night, etc. Or at least that's what the articles lead us to believe.

msells
04-22-2008, 09:56 PM
No one ever checked that out. I don't know if he made it back to the Hotel that night or not. The sheriff never checked it out. I would think if a family came and told me after 48 hours that their son was missing, he would have went to the wife and asked her questions. Mom said that never happened. He never asked her anything. Mom said the only communication her and the sheriff had was when she would go to David City and into the sheriff's office to ask him if there was any news. He never came around and really did what I call investigating.

msells
04-22-2008, 10:03 PM
All we ever heard was there was nothing he could do. He did what he could. There was no written investigation in the files. I went and requested them. Back then they never wrote anything down. It is all in their heads. There were no notes or anything in the file. There was a non support action filed against dad after 30 days, a wanted poster which 5,000 to 10,000 a year were distributed by the BCSO. Ha. Also there was a copy of dad's license and registration. That was the beginning to the end of his investigation. It was little or nothing. I have looked back at the doe network files several times. Even in the late 60's and 70's reports were filed. If I hadn't reported dad missing to the BCSO in December of 05 and to the state patrol no one in Butler County would remember him disappearing. If the car or body would happened to be found in the county they would never know who it belonged to because there were no reports on file. Now days it seems like a body or bones turn up somewhere in the US daily.

MsRusty
04-22-2008, 10:19 PM
We had read also that they were making a documentary for HBO about this case. Did they finish it and when will it be broadcast?

msells
04-22-2008, 10:24 PM
The documentary is finished but there is no guarentee that it will be aired. Stacy finished the documentary and will be putting it out there in the buyers market to see if we can get it aired. We have high hopes that it gets out there in the public eye so maybe some answers will be found.

msells
04-22-2008, 10:26 PM
On Sunday in the Omaha World Hearld they ran a nice story about the documentary. It was exciting to see it is finally a completed project.

Teresa Larson
04-23-2008, 04:10 AM
On Sunday in the Omaha World Hearld they ran a nice story about the documentary. It was exciting to see it is finally a completed project.

Do you happen to have the link for the article in the World Herald? I found it!

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10314901

phenolred
04-23-2008, 02:19 PM
Thanks for the updates. I was thinking about having one of the family members run their loved ones social security number in the death index to see if they were ever used after the disappearance.I know that at some point Melvin was offically declared dead and at that time I think it shows up in the SS death index records. But I wonder about Jackies social and has it been used. It wouldnt hurt to check Melvins either. I have had good luck searching SS #'s on Ancestory.com by using their 10 day free trial and just cancel your subrcription before the 10 days are up it worth a shot

MsRusty
04-23-2008, 06:26 PM
Thanks Teresa for the link. I don't have time to read now, but I did email it to myself.

MsRusty
04-26-2008, 12:38 PM
bumping

ma65
12-30-2008, 10:55 AM
Hello....I'm Melvin Uphoff's youngest daughter...not sure if anybody is still keeping up with this blog on my dad and Jackie's disappearance or not but I've been doing alot of thinking and didn't know if anybody could give me some insight......

First of all my dad left in his car...now why didn't law enforcement work harder on finding the car. It's a big object..that should have been their first lead. Not unless someone does know something.

Next....when it came to Jackie...Dennis knew where she was at all times...he'd go and get her if she wasn't where she was suppose to be. He knew when she was at work, at home, shopping, when she was with her family...he always knew.......my question is...why all of a sudden in Sept. of 1965 he has no idea where she is.....especially when their divorce was in process and she was suppose to sign papers in that very same month.

What happened to these 2 people.....it's been long enough...it's time for someone to come forward....what is there to lose.....we as children and the families of these 2 have already lost quite a bit!!! We lost out in getting to know these 2. I don't even know the sound of my dad's own voice...it's not right......someone knows something......just come out and tell your story!!!!!

If anyone has any insight on my thoughts....please let me know....

Thank you....

Marche'

Teresa Larson
12-31-2008, 04:58 AM
Back in 1965 Melvin could have gotten another social security number under another name. They didn't require much if any ID back then. Since he was declared dead there must not have been any activity with his original social security. I am suspicious of the parents of Jackie Rains for not reporting her missing for so many years. Do they know something that they are not telling the authorities about? The fact that she packed all of her things and that Melvin took his coin collection is a good indication that they took off. Has Jackie's social security ever been checked to see if she used it? If not it should definitely be checked out.

Teresa Larson
12-31-2008, 05:00 AM
I have never been to Rising City. Does anybody know if there are any lakes, rivers or sand pits near by? If it was previously posted I have forgotten :-)

KarlK
12-31-2008, 08:15 PM
First of all my dad left in his car...now why didn't law enforcement work harder on finding the car. It's a big object..that should have been their first lead.

Could be that LE believed his vanishing was voluntary in which case they would not be likely to look for the vehicle beyond their jurisdiction.

Another possibility is that they did look hard for the car but nonetheless could not locate it. Apparently finding a car is not as easy as it may sound: there is that case of a woman who vanished in California (I think) 15 or so years ago after going for a drive in her Peugeot. Now a Peugeot has the distinction of being a relatively large, expensive car and not very common in North America so you'd think it would be easy to locate or at least to find someone who has noticed it but no trace of that car or its owner have ever been found. My guess is that a less exotic vehicle would be even harder to find.

ma65
12-31-2008, 10:48 PM
Back in 1965 Melvin could have gotten another social security number under another name. They didn't require much if any ID back then. Since he was declared dead there must not have been any activity with his original social security. I am suspicious of the parents of Jackie Rains for not reporting her missing for so many years. Do they know something that they are not telling the authorities about? The fact that she packed all of her things and that Melvin took his coin collection is a good indication that they took off. Has Jackie's social security ever been checked to see if she used it? If not it should definitely be checked out.




Jackie's parents have passed away. They couldn't report her missing because she was married to Dennis and according to the Sheriff...the husband was to report her missing. We don't really know who took the coin collection...it is not a known fact....no Jackie's social security number has never been used......

ma65
12-31-2008, 10:51 PM
I have never been to Rising City. Does anybody know if there are any lakes, rivers or sand pits near by? If it was previously posted I have forgotten :-)



Yes....there are lakes, rivers and sand pits in this area. I feel that someone knows something.

ma65
12-31-2008, 10:55 PM
Could be that LE believed his vanishing was voluntary in which case they would not be likely to look for the vehicle beyond their jurisdiction.

Another possibility is that they did look hard for the car but nonetheless could not locate it. Apparently finding a car is not as easy as it may sound: there is that case of a woman who vanished in California (I think) 15 or so years ago after going for a drive in her Peugeot. Now a Peugeot has the distinction of being a relatively large, expensive car and not very common in North America so you'd think it would be easy to locate or at least to find someone who has noticed it but no trace of that car or its owner have ever been found. My guess is that a less exotic vehicle would be even harder to find.


Thank you for your reply.....I can see your point. On the flyers that were distributed by the Sheriff's office......there wasn't a description of the car on them.....I don't understand why not?

tatertot
01-01-2009, 05:02 PM
Welcome, Marche'. I hope your father and Jackie are found someday.

I wonder if he and Jackie did meet up and both were in the Packard when it accidentally went into the water. From what I've seen, if a car and driver are both still missing after several years they're eventually found together, and underwater, sadly enough.

I don't think most cars had VINs in the 1960s, which would have made the car hard to trace if it had been resold later or parted out.

ma65
01-01-2009, 07:21 PM
Welcome, Marche'. I hope your father and Jackie are found someday.

I wonder if he and Jackie did meet up and both were in the Packard when it accidentally went into the water. From what I've seen, if a car and driver are both still missing after several years they're eventually found together, and underwater, sadly enough.

I don't think most cars had VINs in the 1960s, which would have made the car hard to trace if it had been resold later or parted out.


My dad didn't have a Packard....it was a 1954 Blue and White Oldsmobile. The car has never been found.....we don't know where the car is...nothing had ever been said about water....

Yes my dad's car had a vin number.

We hope to that this mystery will be solved.

Teresa Larson
01-02-2009, 03:21 AM
Cars in the 1960's did have VIN numbers. Do you happen to know the VIN number? Was it ever checked out? I know they didn't have computers back then so it might be impossible to trace. Did they ever check the water around the town?

ma65
01-02-2009, 01:28 PM
Cars in the 1960's did have VIN numbers. Do you happen to know the VIN number? Was it ever checked out? I know they didn't have computers back then so it might be impossible to trace. Did they ever check the water around the town?


I don't know if the Sheriff checked the VIN or not?

Yes...my sister has the VIN number and has even talked to the guy that sold dad the car. She thought maybe that someone might contact the guy about the VIN number or the car itself at one time or another but the guy said nobody has been in contact with him. He was amazed when he heard our story.

No.....the waters or anywhere else has never been looked into. The Sheriff back then doesn't believe anything happened to my dad. Nobody seems to want to look at that side of the coin. Yes...I understand that people can just walk away......but with the information we gave to him some time ago....we thought that maybe there would be a possibility that he would think that something could have happened to my dad....but he doesn't. When we've told other LE about that.....they don't feel like anything like that could have happened either......I..to this day can't seem to grasp why it couldn't have happened and why LE can think this way.

tatertot
01-03-2009, 02:47 AM
My apologies, I confused the car model, having read something about a Packard recently. I wish LE had considered the possibility there had been an accident...obviously I hope that wasn't the case but they should have looked at all possible scenarios.

Teresa Larson
01-03-2009, 03:17 AM
If the car they were driving went into the water it would still be there today. Is it even a possibility?

ma65
01-03-2009, 10:56 AM
My apologies, I confused the car model, having read something about a Packard recently. I wish LE had considered the possibility there had been an accident...obviously I hope that wasn't the case but they should have looked at all possible scenarios.



No problem....


This is where our dilemma is....no LE, not even the Sheriff back then wants to believe the car could be in water, in a pit, or anywhere else. They don't believe anything even happened to my dad or Jackie. This is what I don't understand and I would like some insight on why that Sheriff and LE in general don't believe that something could have happened to my dad or to Jackie.

ma65
01-03-2009, 11:05 AM
If the car they were driving went into the water it would still be there today. Is it even a possibility?




It could be a possibility but no LE or the Sheriff back then wants to believe that something could have happened to these 2 people. With all the information we gave....still...nobody thinks anything happened. The people that has read our story immediately comes to the conclusion that something could have happened to these 2 people and ask the same question we do....Why wouldn't the LE or the Sheriff back then believe that something could have happened????

This is where I need some insight and how do you get these people to BELIEVE?

msells
01-03-2009, 11:51 AM
Hi, If anyone is interested we had a documentary made on Dad and Jackie's disappearance. The trailer is on Youtube.com. You can type in Closure Trailer in the search line to view it. We are trying to get it out to the public for viewing. We would like people's insight of what they think happened to our father and Jackie. If anyone views the trailer please post your opinion. Thanks, Michele

MaryLiz
01-03-2009, 07:55 PM
Hi, If anyone is interested we had a documentary made on Dad and Jackie's disappearance. The trailer is on Youtube.com. You can type in Closure Trailer in the search line to view it. We are trying to get it out to the public for viewing. We would like people's insight of what they think happened to our father and Jackie. If anyone views the trailer please post your opinion. Thanks, Michele

I was going to post on here and ask about the documentary because I remember it being talked about last spring. Thanks for posting that the trailer was on YouTube. It looks really good. Wasn't HBO interested in it at one time? I'd love to see the whole documentary!

msells
01-03-2009, 08:13 PM
The documentary has been completed but we haven't got it out to the public. NO one has wanted to put it on the air yet. It hasn't been from the lack of trying to get it out there. Someone from HBO has viewed it but is trying to find someone to purchase it and air it. It is put together very well. Stacy done a wonderful job for us. We are hoping that someone picks it up and wants to air it. This documentary may help others that have missing loved ones. Thanks for your opinion. I am looking forward to reading others. Michele

msells
01-03-2009, 08:53 PM
The VIN Number to dad's car is 547M9278. We have searched many times for this. I even spoke with the man who sold Dad the car. He never heard from any one again after he sold the car. I was hoping some how, some way, the VIN made it back to him. He heard nothing about the car after selling it to dad in the 60's. If any one has any idea how to track VIN numbers please give it a try. Thanks.

youshouldveknown
01-03-2009, 11:17 PM
I think HBO is a great network and I LOVE their documentaries. But I also think Lifetime could be interested in showing the documentary. I could be wrong... they don't really show documentaries on their network, but I think it could be worth a shot.

Teresa Larson
01-04-2009, 03:40 AM
The VIN Number to dad's car is 547M9278. We have searched many times for this. I even spoke with the man who sold Dad the car. He never heard from any one again after he sold the car. I was hoping some how, some way, the VIN made it back to him. He heard nothing about the car after selling it to dad in the 60's. If any one has any idea how to track VIN numbers please give it a try. Thanks.

Are you sure that is the VIN number because they are usually 11 numbers and letters long Maybe in those years it wasn't as long. Where did you get the VIN from? Do you still have the title to his car? Have you spoke with anybody from the police dept there in Rising City lately?

Teresa Larson
01-04-2009, 03:51 AM
What are Melvin's and Jackie's middle names?? Is Jackie's friend still alive? If so when was the last time someone spoke with her??

msells
01-04-2009, 11:09 AM
Back in 1950's VIN numbers weren't that long. The first two numbers in the VIN is the year of the car. I learned that from my brother. He is really into old cars. Dad bought the car in February of 1965. It was a Oldsmobile, Club Coupe 88. The license number was 25B-2602. I have a copy of the registration for the car.

msells
01-04-2009, 11:12 AM
Dad's middle name was Euguene, and Jackie's middle name was Ann. There are two Melvin Gene Uphoff's in Kansas. They are related to us. I have met both of them. There is also a Melvin Uphoff in Lexington, Elwood, Nebraska area. He and his wife Delores raise some kind of animals. I spoke with him last Febrauary on the phone. He remembered a few incidences where the authorities called and checked him out because they thought he might be the Melvin they were looking for. He told me where he was born and raised and I also have a picture of him and his wife. No matches there.

msells
01-04-2009, 11:14 AM
Yes, Sally is still alive and she interviewed for the documentary. She has been very helpful. She has went under hyponosis.

msells
01-04-2009, 11:18 AM
Hey, I want to throw this out here and get some opinions. Okay Melvin and Myrna were married 10 years and they had four children. Myrna is very supportive of us finding our father and trying to find out what has happened to him. She was interviewed in the documentary. She can tell us about the day Melvin disappeared over and over again without hestitation. She remembers that day like it was yesterday.

msells
01-04-2009, 11:22 AM
When the documentary was going to be filmed everyone involved was sent a letter and a request form to be in the documentary. Not everyone chose to be in the documentary in Jackie's family. She had a brother and two sisters that chose to be interviewed. Dennis,(husband) Denise and Todd (children) also chose not to be interviewed for the documentary.

msells
01-04-2009, 11:31 AM
The Omaha News Channel 3 asked to interview my family and Jackie's family for the news to promote the documentary and possibly get the disappearance once again out into the public eye. The disappearance is 43 years old and it is a mystery. The interviews were done and the night, jus before it aired, the reporter called Dennis and wanted him to be interviewed. He started to cuss her and was very upset. He don't know why people keep bringing this up. He's tired of this coming up and wants to move on with his life. Everyone knows she ran off with another man. He then handed the phone to his wife and she was just as angry. She said they are tired of the accusations. The reporter then calmed her down by telling her that both sides of the story should be heard. Still no interview.

msells
01-04-2009, 11:38 AM
All this anger from a person who was married in July of 1963 and separated from in July of 1965. There were two kids born into this marriage. He was the bread winner. The disappearance happened 43 years ago. My family approached him only once. My brother and I may have spoke to him in the early 90's sometime. Our cold case division investigator spoke to him one time in 2005. Jackie's family all have their own opinions which they may have voiced to him over the years.

msells
01-04-2009, 11:45 AM
I guess I would like to know why all this anger after 43 years and why wouldn't you want to help someone find their father and your children's mother after all this time if you had a chance. It really doesn't make much sense to me. I would think you would want to do everything in your power and tell it like it was back then. Who's it going to hurt after all these years. People change as there life moves on to different stages.

msells
01-04-2009, 11:50 AM
That brings me to the next question. People change as their life moves on to different stages. Jackie was 18 years old when she disappeared. She disappeared with a 30 year old man. She left behind two small children. When she turned 25 was she still infatuated with the 37 year old man. I guess I get the fact you are 18 and this older man may be paying some attention to you and you two run off together and start this new life together. The older you get the different your priorities are in you life. It is hard for me to believe that she never called back and checked on her kids. How could you just walk out and never look back.

msells
01-04-2009, 11:51 AM
I would really like to get some opinions on what you all think about these few things I threw out there. Thanks,

ma65
01-04-2009, 04:08 PM
Like I said before....Dennis knew every move Jackie made....even when they were separated....now why in Sept. 1965 when their divorce was in progress and papers needed to be signed....Dennis had no clue of the whereabouts of Jackie. Why??

Also...like my sister said...why is Dennis holding all this anger still yet....after
43 years. He and Jackie weren't together for too long like my mom and dad were.

The Sheriff from back then still don't believe anything could happen to these 2 people......I said before.....we gave out all this important information and LE in general and the Sheriff back then will not believe that something could have happened!! How can we get them to believe???

MaryLiz
01-04-2009, 04:49 PM
Like I said before....Dennis knew every move Jackie made....even when they were separated....now why in Sept. 1965 when their divorce was in progress and papers needed to be signed....Dennis had no clue of the whereabouts of Jackie. Why??

Also...like my sister said...why is Dennis holding all this anger still yet....after
43 years. He and Jackie weren't together for too long like my mom and dad were.

The Sheriff from back then still don't believe anything could happen to these 2 people......I said before.....we gave out all this important information and LE in general and the Sheriff back then will not believe that something could have happened!! How can we get them to believe???

I noticed what looked like 2 or 3 members of LE on the trailer for the documentary. The first one looked pretty old so I take it he might have been involved in the initial investigation, and is maybe the one who didn't believe something could have happened to them?

Do CURRENT members of LE believe your Dad and Jackie just took off together, or are they starting to maybe change their way of thinking and at least trying to investigate their disappearances as a possible crime? It kind of looked like that to me on the documentary but I couldn't tell.

I can't imagine how frustrating it would be to just have LE believe from the get-go that they ran off together and not do much, if anything to investigate their disappearances as a possible crime. I would really think the current members of LE would start to seriously investigate this, especially after they both have been gone for 43 years without a word to anyone! It just has to be so frustrating for your family. Since Dennis is still so angry after all these years and their kids don't want to pursue it, that's kind of a red flag to me. You and your sister are right, why would Dennis be SO angry after 43 years when he and Jackie hadn't even been together that long? I certainly think there is more to investigate than just chalking it up to a simple case of Melvin and Jackie running away together.

ma65
01-04-2009, 09:10 PM
I noticed what looked like 2 or 3 members of LE on the trailer for the documentary. The first one looked pretty old so I take it he might have been involved in the initial investigation, and is maybe the one who didn't believe something could have happened to them?

Do CURRENT members of LE believe your Dad and Jackie just took off together, or are they starting to maybe change their way of thinking and at least trying to investigate their disappearances as a possible crime? It kind of looked like that to me on the documentary but I couldn't tell.

I can't imagine how frustrating it would be to just have LE believe from the get-go that they ran off together and not do much, if anything to investigate their disappearances as a possible crime. I would really think the current members of LE would start to seriously investigate this, especially after they both have been gone for 43 years without a word to anyone! It just has to be so frustrating for your family. Since Dennis is still so angry after all these years and their kids don't want to pursue it, that's kind of a red flag to me. You and your sister are right, why would Dennis be SO angry after 43 years when he and Jackie hadn't even been together that long? I certainly think there is more to investigate than just chalking it up to a simple case of Melvin and Jackie running away together.

Yes....the older one is the one from 1965. The only thing is...is that he never wrote anything down...when my sister went to get dad's file....there was hardly anything in it.....

No....the LE these days don't believe anything happened to them either...they say they both just took off and don't want to be found....we also gave them all the information on why we think something might of happened to them....but still....they don't feel that anything happened to them. We just don't understand why LE can't believe that something could have happened to them.

msells
01-04-2009, 09:11 PM
The State Patrol Cold Case investigator says there was no sign of a crime. They say it was two people who ran off together. They disappeared a month apart. That's not exactly together. Where would Jackie be hiding for a month before Dad got there? She was one of 6 children at the time. One person running off at 18 with no communication with family is kind of hard for me to take. If Jackie was cut off from her family before she left I could understand it. She dropped her kids off with her parents the night she disappeared. She was in the process of a divorce. Why wouldn't you stick around long enough to get that divorce? LE officers will not consider anything happened to them. They know about certain things that happened back then, but they just don't seem to want to pursue it. They think it is water under the bridge. It's been 43 years and there is nothing to go on. I would like LE to go down and check out the vault area of where dad had his coins. I know it has been 43 years but maybe, just maybe, it might lead to something. Humor us. It is frustrating to feel that there are answers under our noses but no one wants to take the time to look. Sitting in a room with the top five guys from the NSP and none of them would see our side of the coin. We were told by the lead investigator that woman even kill there kids now days so I should stop thinking how I feel about child abandonment because my dad did it, not me. On the trailer Leo is the sheriff who "investigated" the disappearances. He wasn't too cooperative until the documentary. When he was in office he didn't want to talk about the disappearances.

Teresa Larson
01-05-2009, 03:16 AM
These are my thoughts/questions 1. Where was Jackie staying at until Melvin supposedly met up with her? She had to have a job and a place to live. 2. Why did she say she was going to Glenwood of all places IF she didn't even know someone there? She could have said any place but why Glenwood?? 3. Why didn't her parents report her missing until 30 years later?? 4. Were they still in contact with her and no one knew about it? They could of had her declared dead long before that and received social security for her children. I do think it's strange that her EX is still angry over her disappearance. 5. Did he have something to do with it? 6. Also since there weren't cell phones back then how did Melvin keep in contact with Jackie? 7. Why did Melvin decide to leave on that particular night? He must have known where Jackie was all along. 8. Where is Jackie's friend that drove her some place the day she disappeared? 9. Is she still alive? 10. If so where is she? She holds the key to this whole thing. She knows where Jackie went. 11. What is her name?

justthinkin
01-05-2009, 05:53 AM
To members of Melvin's and Jackie's families, I just want to say my heart goes out to you. You don't have to accept anything until you know the truth.

I've been reading about several cases of late, and ran across a case "little girl in blue." Man helped his wife in covering up the murder of her youngest child. They went on to raise the rest of the children, never mentioning the child who'd been murdered. Finally on his death bed, the man told his part in the little girl's death. He had kept it hidden all those years, not wanting his son to think less of him. I'm sorry, if that offends some who've come here seeking answers to old family questions, but things do happen, and people can bury memories of things they want to forget. I'm not saying something similar is what happened here because we don't know.

Something bothered me when I read that Jackie told a sister that she was leaving just as soon as her ship came in. Wonder what she meant? Was Melvin's coin collection going to pay her way out of town? Is it possible that she was just using Melvin, and had no intention of running off with him? It is not always the older man that seduces the younger woman; it can be the reverse. Jackie and Dennis married when she was 16. That's very young, and would seem to indicate that Jackie may have been promiscuous. If Dennis knew that about her when they got married, it may have been why he felt he needed to keep tabs on her. Also, I'm not trying to blacken her name. Many times, young girls are promiscuous because they haven't been nurtured properly, and are just hungry for someone to pay attention to them. Could Jackie's ship coming in be an attempt on her part to blackmail Melvin? I'm just throwing these things out as additional possibilities, and not with a deliberate attempt to upset anyone. It's just if a person's really seeking the truth, then all kinds of questions have to be raised and discarded or looked into.

I'm having a problem with the LE in this case, especially in a small town. Elected officials can be bought, can be old family friends, etc. Not making any accusations here, just pointing out that things aren't always on the up and up.

One question I have is that I've read two different reports regarding Dennis, one that he was employed at the same station as Melvin, and two, that Dennis was working out at a gravel pit at the time of the disappearances. Which is correct?
Heard he was fired from the station. Would it have been Melvin that fired him?
Was Dennis employed at both places during the time frame?

Anyone old enough to remember from what person they first heard the rumor of an affair? Does Myrna believe her husband was having an affair with Jackie? Was it her opinion back in 1965 that her husband ran off with Jackie or did she come to that conclusion after his disappearance? That's important because if anyone outside of Melvin and Jackie knew about the alleged affair, Melvin's wife and Jackie's husband would have an inkling that something wasn't kosher in their respective marriages. It's hard to keep secrets in small towns.

I think it's time to bring in some divers. How many gravel pits within a 5 mile radius of the town, and that were in existence at the time of the disappearances?
Question: did both parties live in town? Jackie took her children to her parents house the day she left, but was she living in the same town at the time? Was Sally her roommate? Who was her roommate? Wonder what she told that person about leaving or did they not know until hearing it in the local rumor mill?

I'm having a problem with Jackie's parents not wanting anyone in the family to mention her. Was it because they were mad at her or were they afraid of someone? Something doesn't seem right here. It doesn't gel with this being a close knit family. I'm sorry if someone doesn't like those questions. Again, I'm not deliberately trying to hurt anyone's feelings. Why would someone not want their daughter's name ever brought up? If that's true, how long after the disappearance was it discussed that no one should talk about her anymore? Guess it could've been that every time her name was mentioned it just opened old wounds, and hurt too much to talk about. Does anyone think there's more to it than that? Could Jackie's parents have known where she was, and were protecting her? Why weren't her children allowed to see their grandparents until they were old enough to go on their own? Did Jackie's parents try to get custody of the children from Dennis? What soured him on Jackie's parents? If Jackie just ran off, then Jackie's parents, Dennis, Jackie's children were all victims. Seems like that would've brought them closer together instead of bringing distance.

43 years and not a word. It's time to round up some divers or one of those little remote control submarines that oil companies use. Too bad LE won't do it, but that shouldn't stop it from happening! If Melvin's car is found in water, then many questions will be answered. In the meantime, I'm asking the families to please tolerate questions, and try not to take them personally. We need your help.

Nothing like getting older, falling asleep on the sofa, only to wake up hours later & turn on the computer. Now I wonder if I'll be able to get back to sleep.

msells
01-05-2009, 10:59 AM
Hey there justthinkin and Teresa, We like to see all your questions and input. By you looking at this from your side may help us see things better from ours.

msells
01-05-2009, 11:04 AM
Just also wanting to let you know you are not hurting "our" feelings, put anything out there that you can think of. We will try and answer questions to the best of our knowledge. Our information has all come from our mom's memory of the whole disappearance and people we interviewed along the way. I am going to see if I can get Jim to help answer questions on Jackie's end of it. I will come back a little later today and start answering. Again, thank you for your point of views. Maybe with looking at it a little different and with new ideas we can come up with a posssible conclusion.

tatertot
01-05-2009, 02:02 PM
The question was raised a few pages back as to why Melvin would have invited Myrna along to the bar as she was putting the baby (Marche') to bed, and that he left, alone, at 11:30 p.m. after she declined. The oldest sibling was only 10 at the time, with the others being 8, 2 and 6 months. Do you or your siblings remember having a regular babysitter who would have been available even at last-minute notice that late at night?

Someone here had suggested that Melvin might have been making an offer that Myrna had no choice but to decline since she couldn't leave four young kids, one and infant and another a toddler, alone. That would have left him free to leave since Myrna would have to stay home with the kids. I'm not sure that knowing this will help the case any, but you never know.

I checked on Yahoo Maps and the distance between Shelby and Rising City is 7 miles and almost a straight shot (providing 92/81 was there in 1965), so while it wouldn't have been unreasonable to drive that far for a beer, it's still unusual since the family had just left Shelby.

Were there any reports of Melvin being seen in the bar that night? Did he usually go out for drinks by himself or would he have known someone there? Was the bar definitely open that late or did Shelby have liquor laws governing the hours bars could operate?

msells
01-05-2009, 04:16 PM
Teresa, 1. We have the same question. We have no idea where she would be staying. 2. She said was going to Glenwood, Iowa with Sally to a wedding. This story was told to us by her parents in 1991. She gave her parents a phone number she could be reached at over the weekend. I am not sure how long after her not returning home to get the kids did they try that number. The number was not in service. Her father went to Butler County to report her missing to the Sheriff. According to her father he was told he could not report her missing. The Sheriff told Mr. Rains he could not report her missing, because she was 18 years old and married. I remember speaking to the sheriff about this and he told me Jackie was missing long before our father left. I truly believe the Rains family did not have any contact with her after that Friday night. They were devasted by the disappearance. I would imagine it was Dennis that should have declared her legally dead for social security purposes. In our family my mom divorced my dad. After 7 years she had him declared legally dead so we could get our social security benefits. I don't know why he wouldn't have done this. Would it be because she was not the bread winner. 6. I have no idea how Dad would have contacted Jackie. I called mom and she thought maybe by pay phone or the phone at the CO-OP. If the law enforcement back then really wanted to find them they could have pulled the phone records from the CO-OP. She would had to have been far enough away that no one would see her. She had no transportation that we know of. 7. We don't understand why he asked mom to go along. The night was exactly 30 days after Jackie disappeared. Sally was in the doumentary. She doesn't remember a wedding in Glenwood, Iowa. She has went under hypnosis to recall events of the past. She has been very supportive in our search. I hope I answered all your questions. Michele

msells
01-05-2009, 04:43 PM
Justthinkin', When you mentioned the story it reminded me of the Twyla Embrey story. She did not tell anyone who she really was until days before her death. The truth came out.
We are not sure what she meant by waiting for her ship to come in. Dad's coin collection was his pride and joy. He always told mom if something ever happens to me she could sell the coins. They would be worth thousands. Three months after Dad disappeared, Mom, Grandma, Meister (sheriff), Grandpa, and a locksmith went down to open the vault to check on the coins. The vault was shut until the locksmith opened it and there were no coins. Mom ran upstairs in tears. The sheriff while being interviewed for the news said that when he went down there with them there were coin wrappers all over the place. Mom set him straight. That was not true. Dad was a coin collector. He put those coins in cases and coin books. He would label each and every coin. According to mom he would have never been that careless. He knew what they were worth to the right person.
Dad had fired Dennis from the station. He worked at gas station in David City. Then mom wasn't sure where he worked after that. Dennis came to our house in July 1965.
He told mom that dad and Jackie were having an affair. Mom did not believe him. She confronted Dad about it but he denied it. Mom at first never suspected the dad and Jackie had ran off. She didn't even no Jackie was missing. I just talked to her and she said that she never even considered that as a thought when dad went missing. She said there were too many other things to think about. Sheriff Meister was the one that told he they ran off together. That is what we grew up believing until we talked to Mr. and Mrs. Rains several years ago. They were sure their daughter disappeared on September 24, 1965. Their daughter Kathy was pretty certain about the date also. It was one week before her 13th birthday. Kathy's birthday is October 1st. Jackie had to be gone before October 24. She had divorce papers served to her on September 20th personally delivered to her. She had to have them signed by October 11th. She was not here to sign so her divorce lawyer signed the papers himself for her. He signed them on October 7, 1965. They were then filed October 8, 1965 in the district court. The divorce was final on Februay 2, 1966.

msells
01-05-2009, 04:54 PM
Tatertot, We never had a babysitter. We were either with the folks or with our grandparents. My question is why would he even bother to ask mom to go along. He would left the house many times before without mom going along. Mom was with us kids pretty much 24/7. She never really got out. She was a homemaker and a mom. Dad would never go uptown to drink by himself. He probably drank at home more than he drank in the bar. Mom was sure the Hotel (bar and grill) was open late because we had just came from there a half hour before. The sad thing is the sheriff never checked on this. We don't know if dad really went back to Shelby or not. I would think as a sheriff you would have went to the wife and asked her questions about the events of the night. Grandpa and our great uncle reported dad missing. The sheriff was not able to do anything until 30 days after his disappearance. They had a warrant out for child abandonment. The sheriff never wrote any notes. They were all in his head. I would think as a young sheriff of 30 that maybe someday someone will come to me with questions. I would have had my paper work in order so I could answer them. No paper work, but a lot of questions.

ma65
01-05-2009, 09:39 PM
To members of Melvin's and Jackie's families, I just want to say my heart goes out to you. You don't have to accept anything until you know the truth.

I've been reading about several cases of late, and ran across a case "little girl in blue." Man helped his wife in covering up the murder of her youngest child. They went on to raise the rest of the children, never mentioning the child who'd been murdered. Finally on his death bed, the man told his part in the little girl's death. He had kept it hidden all those years, not wanting his son to think less of him. I'm sorry, if that offends some who've come here seeking answers to old family questions, but things do happen, and people can bury memories of things they want to forget. I'm not saying something similar is what happened here because we don't know.

Something bothered me when I read that Jackie told a sister that she was leaving just as soon as her ship came in. Wonder what she meant? Was Melvin's coin collection going to pay her way out of town? Is it possible that she was just using Melvin, and had no intention of running off with him? It is not always the older man that seduces the younger woman; it can be the reverse. Jackie and Dennis married when she was 16. That's very young, and would seem to indicate that Jackie may have been promiscuous. If Dennis knew that about her when they got married, it may have been why he felt he needed to keep tabs on her. Also, I'm not trying to blacken her name. Many times, young girls are promiscuous because they haven't been nurtured properly, and are just hungry for someone to pay attention to them. Could Jackie's ship coming in be an attempt on her part to blackmail Melvin? I'm just throwing these things out as additional possibilities, and not with a deliberate attempt to upset anyone. It's just if a person's really seeking the truth, then all kinds of questions have to be raised and discarded or looked into.

I'm having a problem with the LE in this case, especially in a small town. Elected officials can be bought, can be old family friends, etc. Not making any accusations here, just pointing out that things aren't always on the up and up.

One question I have is that I've read two different reports regarding Dennis, one that he was employed at the same station as Melvin, and two, that Dennis was working out at a gravel pit at the time of the disappearances. Which is correct?
Heard he was fired from the station. Would it have been Melvin that fired him?
Was Dennis employed at both places during the time frame?

Anyone old enough to remember from what person they first heard the rumor of an affair? Does Myrna believe her husband was having an affair with Jackie? Was it her opinion back in 1965 that her husband ran off with Jackie or did she come to that conclusion after his disappearance? That's important because if anyone outside of Melvin and Jackie knew about the alleged affair, Melvin's wife and Jackie's husband would have an inkling that something wasn't kosher in their respective marriages. It's hard to keep secrets in small towns.

I think it's time to bring in some divers. How many gravel pits within a 5 mile radius of the town, and that were in existence at the time of the disappearances?
Question: did both parties live in town? Jackie took her children to her parents house the day she left, but was she living in the same town at the time? Was Sally her roommate? Who was her roommate? Wonder what she told that person about leaving or did they not know until hearing it in the local rumor mill?

I'm having a problem with Jackie's parents not wanting anyone in the family to mention her. Was it because they were mad at her or were they afraid of someone? Something doesn't seem right here. It doesn't gel with this being a close knit family. I'm sorry if someone doesn't like those questions. Again, I'm not deliberately trying to hurt anyone's feelings. Why would someone not want their daughter's name ever brought up? If that's true, how long after the disappearance was it discussed that no one should talk about her anymore? Guess it could've been that every time her name was mentioned it just opened old wounds, and hurt too much to talk about. Does anyone think there's more to it than that? Could Jackie's parents have known where she was, and were protecting her? Why weren't her children allowed to see their grandparents until they were old enough to go on their own? Did Jackie's parents try to get custody of the children from Dennis? What soured him on Jackie's parents? If Jackie just ran off, then Jackie's parents, Dennis, Jackie's children were all victims. Seems like that would've brought them closer together instead of bringing distance.

43 years and not a word. It's time to round up some divers or one of those little remote control submarines that oil companies use. Too bad LE won't do it, but that shouldn't stop it from happening! If Melvin's car is found in water, then many questions will be answered. In the meantime, I'm asking the families to please tolerate questions, and try not to take them personally. We need your help.

Nothing like getting older, falling asleep on the sofa, only to wake up hours later & turn on the computer. Now I wonder if I'll be able to get back to sleep.

The gravel pits were between Rising City and Bellwood....Dennis did work for the gravel pit business for many years....not sure when he actually started.

Dad and mom lived in Rising City.....as well as Dennis and Jackie....when Jackie decided to leave Dennis she moved to Columbus and she worked at a factory there.

justthinkin
01-07-2009, 03:54 AM
Interesting, Ma65. I wonder if the girls Jackie left with were co-workers she knew from the factory. It would sure make sense. She could hide out with one of them so her husband wouldn't know where she was.

LE kept saying Jackie and Melvin ran off together, and didn't want to be found. I wonder if LE ever got a call from one or the other expressing that they didn't want to be found. The pair were adults by law, and could do what they wanted.

Another thing that puzzles me, supposedly Jackie's parents weren't allowed to report her missing. Only her husband could do so, and yet it was someone in Melvin's family, other than his wife, who reported him missing. Kind of a double standard there. I wonder how the old sheriff would explain that. Maybe someone should ask him for an explanation.

ma65
01-07-2009, 09:14 PM
Interesting, Ma65. I wonder if the girls Jackie left with were co-workers she knew from the factory. It would sure make sense. She could hide out with one of them so her husband wouldn't know where she was.

LE kept saying Jackie and Melvin ran off together, and didn't want to be found. I wonder if LE ever got a call from one or the other expressing that they didn't want to be found. The pair were adults by law, and could do what they wanted.

Another thing that puzzles me, supposedly Jackie's parents weren't allowed to report her missing. Only her husband could do so, and yet it was someone in Melvin's family, other than his wife, who reported him missing. Kind of a double standard there. I wonder how the old sheriff would explain that. Maybe someone should ask him for an explanation.


That's a very good point "justthinkin".....I never thought of that.....I like to go to Meister and ask him why it was o.k. for Grandpa(dad's stepdad) and my Uncle to report dad missing but the Rain's couldn't report their own daughter missing.......love it!!!

I'm not sure who Jackie would have known at the factory or if she even got a chance to get to know anyone cuz she only worked there about a month....I think it was from August to Sept. of 1965.....I can't remember if anyone went and picked up her paycheck or not.

I had thought of LE getting a call from them that they didn't want to be found.....that's why LE and the Sheriff back then (Meister) have been trying to steer us off the fact that something happened to them....but.....since we are the ages we are.....why not let us at least know they are alive......and not want to be found.....instead of us thinking what we are thinking........we can at least know they are out there somewhere.........then we can leave it at that.....

Thanks for the insight.....

MaryLiz
01-07-2009, 10:23 PM
That's a very good point "justthinkin".....I never thought of that.....I like to go to Meister and ask him why it was o.k. for Grandpa(dad's stepdad) and my Uncle to report dad missing but the Rain's couldn't report their own daughter missing.......love it!!!

I'm not sure who Jackie would have known at the factory or if she even got a chance to get to know anyone cuz she only worked there about a month....I think it was from August to Sept. of 1965.....I can't remember if anyone went and picked up her paycheck or not.

I had thought of LE getting a call from them that they didn't want to be found.....that's why LE and the Sheriff back then (Meister) have been trying to steer us off the fact that something happened to them....but.....since we are the ages we are.....why not let us at least know they are alive......and not want to be found.....instead of us thinking what we are thinking........we can at least know they are out there somewhere.........then we can leave it at that.....

Thanks for the insight.....

That's interesting you mentioned that because I was thinking of that the other night...that somehow the Sheriff back then KNEW that they had run off and maybe they didn't want to be found. I kept wondering why that Sheriff was so POSITIVE that nothing bad had happened to them and keeps insisting to this day that he is right. It almost seems to be the case that he knows more than he is telling.

msells
01-07-2009, 10:52 PM
Hey, if he knows more than he is telling, how on earth do you get it out of him? He was not real cooperative until he helped with the documentary. That is probably the most he talked about the case. The sad thing is it is all in his memory. There is nothing on paper. The Sheriff was positive because of the hearsay. I didn't realize that LE based their facts on hearsay.

ma65
01-07-2009, 11:22 PM
That's interesting you mentioned that because I was thinking of that the other night...that somehow the Sheriff back then KNEW that they had run off and maybe they didn't want to be found. I kept wondering why that Sheriff was so POSITIVE that nothing bad had happened to them and keeps insisting to this day that he is right. It almost seems to be the case that he knows more than he is telling.


The other strange thing is....whenever mom was in David City....she would always stop by to ask Sheriff Meister if he heard anything or knew anything new about my dad....he would tell her he hadn't....then he would proceed to tell mom that if he did find Melvin then he was going to tie him up behind his car and drag him through main street of Rising City.....now why would say that to my mom?????

RockinJimmy
01-08-2009, 12:38 AM
Hi everyone! Jackie's brother Jim here.

I appreciate everyone's comments, thoughts, suggestions and willingness to help find Jackie and Melvin (except maybe the promiscuous comment about Jackie).

My sister Becky and I submitted DNA samples to Sgt. Robert Frank of The Nebraska State Patrol just before Christmas.

We were told that the State Of Massachusetts has a Jane Doe they wish to match our DNA against. It seems that an anonymous person called the Massachusetts State Patrol and claimed it was Jackie.

Sgt. Frank told us it will take about a month before we know the results. I will keep everyone posted as soon as we find out the results.

Jim Rains

RockinJimmy
01-08-2009, 12:47 AM
Oh also, if there are any questions I can answer, please feel free to ask.

Jim Rains

Teresa Larson
01-08-2009, 06:25 AM
Hi everyone! Jackie's brother Jim here.

I appreciate everyone's comments, thoughts, suggestions and willingness to help find Jackie and Melvin (except maybe the promiscuous comment about Jackie).

My sister Becky and I submitted DNA samples to Sgt. Robert Frank of The Nebraska State Patrol just before Christmas.

We were told that the State Of Massachusetts has a Jane Doe they wish to match our DNA against. It seems that an anonymous person called the Massachusetts State Patrol and claimed it was Jackie.

Sgt. Frank told us it will take about a month before we know the results. I will keep everyone posted as soon as we find out the results.

Jim Rains

Wow this is interesting. I wonder who made the call and how they would know if it was your sister. I hope it isn't her I would rather find her alive some where. I still say the sand pit should be checked to see if Melvin's car is in there. I wonder what it would cost to have some one check it.

Teresa Larson
01-08-2009, 06:30 AM
Oh also, if there are any questions I can answer, please feel free to ask.

Jim Rains
How old were you when your sister left? If you were old enough what do you remember about the day she left? What do you think happened to her? Anything you'd like to share with us would be great :) Thanks!

tatertot
01-08-2009, 10:39 AM
I think the sand pit should be checked as well and please update us with any news on the UID. I hope both are found alive but it makes sense to check against UIDs.

Meister's comment about dragging Melvin through town is indeed strange. Was he known for having a twisted sense of humor? I ask because that sounds like something my grandpa would say and he's not known for holding back his opinions. Meister might have meant that he thought Melvin left voluntarily and if he dared show his face again after abandoning his wife and four children (in an age where there were far fewer single parent households than there are today) then he'd seek his own justice. I hope that doesn't offend, but it struck me as similar to the somewhat old-fashioned "I'd shoot your boyfriend if he got you pregnant" comment. People say that kind of stuff but they'd never really do it.

I would think that if LE got a call from Jackie and/or Melvin saying they didn't want to be found then they'd at least inform their families, if only to make themselves look more competent. If I was a LE officer I'd rather be saying that my hands are legally tied and I can't make two adults return home rather than saying my department has no clue where they are. For the record, I'm not saying LE was incompetent, just that they'd presumably want to "close" the case if they actually had received a call from either missing person.

I'm not sure that it would have been that unusual for Jackie to marry at sixteen. I know quite a few older women who married in the 1960s before they were out of their teens and somewhere I recall reading that Seventeen magazine carried ads for silverware collections and other wedding gifts, so it stands to reason that teenage marriage was much more common. Maybe someone who lived during that decade can confirm this?

MaryLiz
01-08-2009, 03:26 PM
Hey, if he knows more than he is telling, how on earth do you get it out of him? He was not real cooperative until he helped with the documentary. That is probably the most he talked about the case. The sad thing is it is all in his memory. There is nothing on paper. The Sheriff was positive because of the hearsay. I didn't realize that LE based their facts on hearsay.


The other strange thing is....whenever mom was in David City....she would always stop by to ask Sheriff Meister if he heard anything or knew anything new about my dad....he would tell her he hadn't....then he would proceed to tell mom that if he did find Melvin then he was going to tie him up behind his car and drag him through main street of Rising City.....now why would say that to my mom?????

It sounds more like he just formed his own opinion because of the hearsay. I'm sure he doesn't know any more but I couldn't help but wonder about it. After rereading things and watching him on the documentary trailer, I just think he decided he knew what happened, that they ran off together and that was that! It was a strange thing to say, about tying him up to the car and dragging him through Rising City. Of course, that was the 60s and people didn't have to watch what they say like they do now because of "political correctness." I cracked up though when you said the only time Sheriff Meister has been cooperative was for the documentary...LOL! I'm surprised HE isn't trying to find a distributor so he can get his 15 minutes! Seriously though, if the families request it, I think LE definitely should do more to check things out rather than just believe what the Sheriff said.

ma65
01-08-2009, 08:30 PM
It sounds more like he just formed his own opinion because of the hearsay. I'm sure he doesn't know any more but I couldn't help but wonder about it. After rereading things and watching him on the documentary trailer, I just think he decided he knew what happened, that they ran off together and that was that! It was a strange thing to say, about tying him up to the car and dragging him through Rising City. Of course, that was the 60s and people didn't have to watch what they say like they do now because of "political correctness." I cracked up though when you said the only time Sheriff Meister has been cooperative was for the documentary...LOL! I'm surprised HE isn't trying to find a distributor so he can get his 15 minutes! Seriously though, if the families request it, I think LE definitely should do more to check things out rather than just believe what the Sheriff said.

We got to sit in on Meisters interview with the news reporter from Omaha and I couldn't believe the things he was saying.....especially the part where he said that when in Jan. 1966 they went to check on dad's coin collection and when he walked down there and saw all the papers and books that the coins had been in all strewn on the floor but the coins were gone......my mom, sister and I almost fell off our chairs.....does he not realize that there were other people down in that room too.....my mom, my grandma(dads mom), the locksmith and himself.....when the subject about the coins were brought up years ago when we just talked to him....he never mentioned how everything was strewn on the floor.....funny when camera was on him....he sure made it sound better....tried to make it look like dad was in a hurry so he just quick put coins in something else and left everything on the floor.........dad took pride in those coins and time to put them in books or whatever........grant it I was just 6 months old at the time but mom remembers it like it was yesterday!!

We would like the LE to do more checking....but nobody wants too.....so how do you get them too.

I know RockinJimmy mentioned about someone in Massachusetts that may fit Jackie's description....but that will be found out in time....

Like I've said before.....if they are alive why not contact LE and let them know that they are alive and to tell the rest of the family....and let it be told that they don't want to be found......I think we'd rather know that information than think what we are thinking. If they had contacted LE then what's so wrong with LE to let us all know.

Let the truth be told!! Someone knows something.....we are not getting any younger. It's quite frustrating!!!

ma65
01-08-2009, 08:40 PM
I think the sand pit should be checked as well and please update us with any news on the UID. I hope both are found alive but it makes sense to check against UIDs.

Meister's comment about dragging Melvin through town is indeed strange. Was he known for having a twisted sense of humor? I ask because that sounds like something my grandpa would say and he's not known for holding back his opinions. Meister might have meant that he thought Melvin left voluntarily and if he dared show his face again after abandoning his wife and four children (in an age where there were far fewer single parent households than there are today) then he'd seek his own justice. I hope that doesn't offend, but it struck me as similar to the somewhat old-fashioned "I'd shoot your boyfriend if he got you pregnant" comment. People say that kind of stuff but they'd never really do it.

I would think that if LE got a call from Jackie and/or Melvin saying they didn't want to be found then they'd at least inform their families, if only to make themselves look more competent. If I was a LE officer I'd rather be saying that my hands are legally tied and I can't make two adults return home rather than saying my department has no clue where they are. For the record, I'm not saying LE was incompetent, just that they'd presumably want to "close" the case if they actually had received a call from either missing person.

I'm not sure that it would have been that unusual for Jackie to marry at sixteen. I know quite a few older women who married in the 1960s before they were out of their teens and somewhere I recall reading that Seventeen magazine carried ads for silverware collections and other wedding gifts, so it stands to reason that teenage marriage was much more common. Maybe someone who lived during that decade can confirm this?

How do you go about getting this done? Nobody wants to check any place out. They all just feel nothing happened to these 2 people and that they are out there living there lives like any other person would.

LE says that the story we told of the day Dad left was like dad had a plan...that's why he spent the day with us....this is typical for people to do these kind of things when they know they are going to leave. I still have my doubts.

How do you get anybody LE to see the other side of the coin?? Why is it when other people hear or see our story the red flag comes up for them and right away they feel something is wrong...something happened?

I just don't seem to get it.

msells
01-08-2009, 08:44 PM
hey sis

ma65
01-08-2009, 09:43 PM
hey sis


Hey...back atch ya!!

justthinkin
01-09-2009, 02:24 AM
Sure hope the UID in Massachusetts doesn't turn out to be Jackie. Who got the anonymous call, and when? Anyone know?
I had wondered if anyone had contacted LE in Platte Co. to report Jackie missing since that was her last known residence.


How does one go about getting someone to dive the gravel pit/s?
This can be done with or without law enforcement.
First you'd need written permission from the owner of the pit/s. I'm guessing that they're on private property. Second, the owner would likely require a liability waver in case of accident, and should have one. Third, would need to find experienced divers. There's usually a dive shop around the larger universities. I checked, and gravel pit diving is pretty straightforward, kind of boring. What could pose a problem is visibility. Divers are always looking for new places to dive so I'm thinking with this story, it would be fairly easy to enlist the aid of some qualified divers. Then in case a car or cars were found, would need a way to pull them up.

tater,

I'm in the same age bracket as Jackie. Grew up in a large city, and I can only remember one girl getting married while in high school. I did hear of one or two from other schools, but it was out of the ordinary. I know RockinJim didn't like what I said, and I apologized in advance. I do think having been a teen-aged girl in that time period qualifies me to know what was going on with girls attitudes during the mid 60s.

justthinkin
01-09-2009, 02:43 AM
I just looked at Massachusetts UIDs. If that's all of them, there are no women listed that would be anywhere near Jackie's age. I sure hope someone's not playing a cruel joke. Also read here that it was Mass. State Police that reported getting an anonymous tip.

ma65
01-09-2009, 05:30 PM
Sure hope the UID in Massachusetts doesn't turn out to be Jackie. Who got the anonymous call, and when? Anyone know?
I had wondered if anyone had contacted LE in Platte Co. to report Jackie missing since that was her last known residence.


How does one go about getting someone to dive the gravel pit/s?
This can be done with or without law enforcement.
First you'd need written permission from the owner of the pit/s. I'm guessing that they're on private property. Second, the owner would likely require a liability waver in case of accident, and should have one. Third, would need to find experienced divers. There's usually a dive shop around the larger universities. I checked, and gravel pit diving is pretty straightforward, kind of boring. What could pose a problem is visibility. Divers are always looking for new places to dive so I'm thinking with this story, it would be fairly easy to enlist the aid of some qualified divers. Then in case a car or cars were found, would need a way to pull them up.

tater,

I'm in the same age bracket as Jackie. Grew up in a large city, and I can only remember one girl getting married while in high school. I did hear of one or two from other schools, but it was out of the ordinary. I know RockinJim didn't like what I said, and I apologized in advance. I do think having been a teen-aged girl in that time period qualifies me to know what was going on with girls attitudes during the mid 60s.

Thanks for the information.

ma65
01-09-2009, 05:32 PM
I just looked at Massachusetts UIDs. If that's all of them, there are no women listed that would be anywhere near Jackie's age. I sure hope someone's not playing a cruel joke. Also read here that it was Mass. State Police that reported getting an anonymous tip.


Interesting!

msells
01-09-2009, 06:17 PM
Justthinkin, I did the same thing. I didn't have any luck either. Maybe it is a new UNID. I went on the web thinking maybe there would be a article on it in a Mass. paper but no luck.

msells
01-09-2009, 06:21 PM
Justthinkin' I did the same thing and also had no luck. I even went on the web thinking that maybe there would be an article in a Mass. paper. No luck there either.

msells
01-09-2009, 06:23 PM
I did the same thing as Justthink. I didn't find one either.

msells
01-09-2009, 06:24 PM
I did the same thing as Justthink. I didn't find one either.

michael1955
01-09-2009, 08:13 PM
hi there sisters.

msells
01-09-2009, 08:27 PM
hey there, it looks like I repeated myself a few times.

justthinkin
01-09-2009, 10:25 PM
Glad to be of some help. It would be a good idea to have LE on site as a witness when a dive was made if you can't get them to organize a dive. Really, they're the ones who should be doing it! A separate hold harmless agreement should cover the person or persons who enlist the aid of any divers.

Regarding the anonymous tip, perhaps someone could call Mass. State Police, and find out which person on their UID list is alleged to possibly be Jackie or if the person is not among those listed at their website.

One way or another, there are answers. You might not find the ones you seek, but every possibility that's eliminated does bring you a bit closer to the truth.

Something else is puzzling me. Why did it take Myrna 4 mos. to check out the vault with the coins? Seems like with 4 children to feed and clothe, she'd have needed money to make ends meet as soon as possible after Melvin's disappearance.

justthinkin
01-09-2009, 10:28 PM
Glad to be of some help. It's a fur piece from Texas to Nebraska. LOL. It would be a good idea to have LE on site as a witness when a dive was made if you can't get them to organize a dive. Really, they're the ones who should be doing it! A separate hold harmless agreement should cover the person or persons who enlist the aid of any divers.

Regarding the anonymous tip, perhaps someone could call Mass. State Police, and find out which person on their UID list is alleged to possibly be Jackie or if the person is not among those listed at their website.

One way or another, there are answers. You might not find the ones you seek, but every possibility that's eliminated does bring you a bit closer to the truth.

Something else is puzzling me. Why did it take Myrna 4 mos. to check out the vault with the coins? Seems like with 4 children to feed and clothe, she'd have needed money to make ends meet as soon as possible after Melvin's disappearance.

RockinJimmy
01-09-2009, 10:59 PM
How old were you when your sister left? If you were old enough what do you remember about the day she left? What do you think happened to her? Anything you'd like to share with us would be great :) Thanks!


Hi Teresa, I was 12, almost 13 when she disappeared (our birthdays are just a few days apart) but I don't remember alot about that day. :confused:

Personally, I have always felt that Jackie was the victim of foul play. My memories of my sister make it extremely hard to believe that she just up and left her kids to start a new life with Melvin. I could be wrong and I hope I am, but my gut feeling says this story doesn't have a happy ending.

When my sister vanished without a trace, she was living with with Sally after leaving a husband she feared, who had abused, raped and caused her tremendous emotional distress.

He stalked her nearly every move, always seeming to know where she was at most any given time.

He cried to me in a bar in Bellwood some years ago, saying he loved Jackie and would never harm her.

Yet, this man never lifted a finger to try to find her and has always been unwilling to interview and tell his side of the story, saying he wishes people would stop accusing him and leave him the hell alone.

True love, apparently.

Jim Rains

msells
01-09-2009, 11:57 PM
I think the reason it took mom so long to look for the coins was because that was the last thing on her mind. Her mind was focused on us kids. Where would she sell the coins anyway. She is a 27 year old, 4 kids, 10 and under and no car. Husband just up and disappeared. In a copy of an insurance interview that was taken on October 25, 1967. It is the OPIONION of the authorities that the insured left Rising City, Nebraska with Mrs. Kracman. They beleived that possibily she was pregnant at the time. This is in according to Sheriff Meister, They do not suspect foul play although the insured mother, stepfather and relatives in the area are of the opinion that the insured was murdered. According to the Sheriff, Mrs. Uphoff (Grandma Peck, our father's mother) does not believe there was any foul play, being convinced of this when they discovered that the insured's coin collection was missing. All that is typed in one paragraph on the insurance interview. I like where it says OPINION, I capped that. It is an opinion, it is not a known fact. It is a fact that Jackie did not live in RC. Jackie had been living in Columbus at the time of her disappearance. They had to hire a locksmith to unlock the vault. Mom was so busy worrying how we were going to live to think about the coin collection. We lived in a town of 200 people. Who would have bought the coins for the what they were really worth? Only a coin collector would purchase the coins. Mom would have never sold the coins. They were dad's and she was not sure how long he was going to be gone. I think after so many years she would have tried to sell them or she would have given them to us kids later on in life. I guess that is something we didn't have to worry about. They were gone.

tatertot
01-10-2009, 10:10 AM
Where did you check for Jane Does found in MA? That state only has one listed on identifyus.org and my guess is they haven't submitted the rest of their UIDs to the site. There are supposedly 40,000 unidentified bodies in the USA and only 2746 posted on the site.

msells
01-10-2009, 10:54 AM
I found seven on the doe network. I am sure there are other places that list them. The Doe kind of keeps up with those things. They are listed by state on the DOE. Michele

ma65
01-10-2009, 12:58 PM
hi there sisters.



Hey there back atchya Bro!!

ma65
01-10-2009, 01:38 PM
I've been thinking a lot about LE and Meister......I can kind of see LE today trying to stay positive about this.....saying they just ran off and they are living their own lives somewhere......but then again with the information that Jackie's brother and sister had given them....and what my sister has given...I still can't grasp the fact that they don't feel anything happened to them....I've said this plenty of times before.......but I feel that they are just pacifying us by saying they ran off together........I can't believe they don't check out both theories!! Why don't they???

Meister is another story....why did he right away come to the conclusion they ran off together? What made him think this in the first place? Jackie lived in Platte county at the time of her disappearance......so why did he think this?

Apparently I don't understand LE in general....to me if 2 families went to them with 2 different theories....I would think that they would check out both of them...with the abuse Jackie and her family went through and the anger Dennis still holds...why not look into both sides of this story for us...why keep saying they ran off together??!! If they want to look into the fact that Jackie had enough of the abuse and wanted to get away...I can't believe that she actually hid so good for this long.......after all this time why wouldn't one of them have contacted their family? Like Rockinjimmy said....Dennis knew every move Jackie made...so why didn't he find her back in Sept. of 1965?

I just don't get it.....SOMEONE KNOWS SOMETHING!! PLEASE JUST TELL YOUR STORY!!

justthinkin
01-11-2009, 04:34 AM
I would like to know what you, who are members of Jackie's family, think about other family members supposed Jackie sightings, ie., at the funeral of both your parents, and at the Walmart. Were these all mentioned at the time they happened? Did all of y'all see the couple in the car at the funerals?

And you in Myra's family, do you think that was really a phone call from Melvin?

justthinkin
01-11-2009, 04:49 AM
Ma65, I think all of y'all should get together, march down to LE, and outright ask them the basis of their assumption that these people ran off together. Do they have any kind of proof or have they simply operated on rumor? Did they interview friends of Jackie, friends of Melvin? I just don't get them making any kind of statement with nothing to back it up. If they're still committed to Jackie and Melvin running off together, they should be able to open a file now, and tell you exactly what they discovered, share interviews they took: everything they found. Demand that they drag the gravel pits or get divers in there. Start talking to reporters for whatever TV stations serve your area. If it's all cable, go to Omaha and any town with over 50,000 population. If you're adamant, then something's bound to get done. My MIL used to say, "the squeaking wheel gets the grease." Y'all need to start squeaking in a big way. Be sure and say you think there's a real possibility Melvin's car is in one of the gravel pits.

I can't remember who posted about when the vault was opened. Were there papers or coin wrappers spread all over or was that incorrect? If there were papers or wrappers scattered, that sure doesn't sound like something someone who treasured their coin collection would do. Maybe someone else took Melvin's coin collection if Melvin met with foul play! IMO, people who collect coins are usually very detail oriented, organized, and methodical people who take a lot of time with their collection if they're serious about it. Ask your mom if that was the kind of person Melvin was.

It's possible that Jackie's disappearance had nothing whatsoever to do with Melvin's. See if you can find out if all the rumors originated with Dennis. If they didn't, then that really might be an indication they ran off together.

ma65
01-11-2009, 10:58 AM
I would like to know what you, who are members of Jackie's family, think about other family members supposed Jackie sightings, ie., at the funeral of both your parents, and at the Walmart. Were these all mentioned at the time they happened? Did all of y'all see the couple in the car at the funerals?

And you in Myra's family, do you think that was really a phone call from Melvin?


There is no known fact that the phone call was dad. Mom and my aunt and uncle don't believe it was him. I even told Meister what I thought about that phone call cuz he brought that up off the cameras when being interviewed from the TV reporter........Meister was soooo determined that day to make me believe that was my dad.....I told him I didn't think so...then Meister asked who would have your mom and dad's number....I told him anyone could have had it (duh).....He then asked why I thought this way.....I told him anyone could have had the number....made the call...and wanted all of us to think dad was still alive so mom and or grandma(dad's mom) would not pursue trying to find dad....mom threw in her comments too on this to Meister.....he then had nothing to say! He said NOTHING??? He had no logical explanation to give to us...hmmmmmm!!!

ma65
01-11-2009, 11:36 AM
Ma65, I think all of y'all should get together, march down to LE, and outright ask them the basis of their assumption that these people ran off together. Do they have any kind of proof or have they simply operated on rumor? Did they interview friends of Jackie, friends of Melvin? I just don't get them making any kind of statement with nothing to back it up. If they're still committed to Jackie and Melvin running off together, they should be able to open a file now, and tell you exactly what they discovered, share interviews they took: everything they found. Demand that they drag the gravel pits or get divers in there. Start talking to reporters for whatever TV stations serve your area. If it's all cable, go to Omaha and any town with over 50,000 population. If you're adamant, then something's bound to get done. My MIL used to say, "the squeaking wheel gets the grease." Y'all need to start squeaking in a big way. Be sure and say you think there's a real possibility Melvin's car is in one of the gravel pits.

I can't remember who posted about when the vault was opened. Were there papers or coin wrappers spread all over or was that incorrect? If there were papers or wrappers scattered, that sure doesn't sound like something someone who treasured their coin collection would do. Maybe someone else took Melvin's coin collection if Melvin met with foul play! IMO, people who collect coins are usually very detail oriented, organized, and methodical people who take a lot of time with their collection if they're serious about it. Ask your mom if that was the kind of person Melvin was.

It's possible that Jackie's disappearance had nothing whatsoever to do with Melvin's. See if you can find out if all the rumors originated with Dennis. If they didn't, then that really might be an indication they ran off together.

No LE nor Meister has any proof to back up that they just ran off together.....LE says that they base their theory on "how dad spent the whole day with us".....they say this is typical of person to do this knowing that they are leaving for good.
Meister wouldn't have a file cuz he never wrote anything down. He doesn't have a theory on why they left together or why he thinks they left together.

My sister and brother had always said too..."the squeaky wheel always gets the grease"......we have told LE about the pits but they can't just go in on accusations. We are not to accuse.....I get that but with the life Jackie and her family lived through....with abuse and being so scared...why not?

My sister had even looked up missing women starting back in the 50's and possibly earlier, up to the present.......LE always had the husband(if married) and/or boyfriend be the person of interest......now what happened with Jackie's disappearance....why wasn't her husband..soon to be ex......become a person of interest?

This is why it's soooo frustrating!!...Nobody wants to to anything.

msells
01-11-2009, 12:46 PM
Yesterday, mom and I took a drive. We went to RC, we started to talk. I asked her again about the coin papers on the floor. She said she did not see any. Dad was a COIN COLLECTOR he was not about to rip those coins out of the wrappers and cases. He took many hours to put them in it. If he was leaving in a hurry, would he had taken the time to take them out of the wrappers and case. I think not. He knew as a collector what those coins were worth. To an everyday Joe not much. To a collector alot. Mom said when the vault was open Grandma, Grandpa, Meister, and herself were the only ones down there. She was very upset the coins were missing. Dad left us with 23 dollars in the bank, and an outstanding check of 20 dollars. A car that did not run. Mom thought even if she took the coins and got a dime for a dime we would have a little money to live on. She was able to get financial help from the state to help us make ends meet.
I guess I have a hard time believing that it was dad on the phone. If he really wanted to contact mom why didn't he try calling her parents, or try to make another phone call. Why would the call come at midnight?
Marching down to the LE sounds great. Sorry to say, been there down that. Michael, I, Becky and Jim went down to the NSP to have meeting with the five senior officers. They all believe that Dad and Jackie just disappeared. There is no sign of foul play. This is a case of two young lovers running off together and making their past dead to them. The day they left is the day we DIED. We are no longer alive in their minds. We were told this. It happens all the time. There is nothing special or unique about our case. There is absolutely,positively no sign of foul play. But in my eyes there was no absolutely, positively, an investigation either. Meister never wrote a thing down about the case. I had said early that the first time I spoke to him, which was a chore to begin with, he told me Jackie was reported missing long before dad every was. That statement is probably a true one. Thinking back on a conversation with Mr. Rains he said he had went to report Jackie missing to the BCSO. He was told he couldn't report her missing, she was 18 and married and her husband had to make the report. He went to the BCSO because of the fact that Meister had known the history of Jackie's life. He thought he would be able to help. When Mr. Rains was told that he couldn't make the report, a report was never made.

msells
01-11-2009, 01:03 PM
Going back through the insurance interviews, no employess at the COOP were interviewed. Now I would think that they would have interviewed the employees of his since they worked with him. Also I find it funny that Meister never interviewed them either. I guess, back in those days, a local man goes missing and it is not news worthy. I would think that they might have plenty to say. They might have seen or heard something that could have helped.
Also, another point, if Jackie left a month before Dad and they were keeping in contact. Dad could have been using the business phone to keep in touch. Couldn't they have pulled the phone records from the COOP? When the call to my aunt and uncle came in here is some of Leo Meister's interview on the phone call on November 15, 1972. This person calling Larry, asked to talk to Myrna. Mr. Birkel with out a question recognized the voice ot be that of our insured. Mr. Birkel stated to our insured that Myrna doesn't want to talk to you. According to Sheriff Meister, Mr. Birkel then realized that he should have continued the conversation in order that a trace might be placed on the call. He then stated to the person calling that Myrna would speak to him if he would hold the line. The person calling then hung up. Sheriff Meister and his staff attempted to trace the call. In so doing, they contacted the Federal Comm. Div. in Washington DC. Since the call was so short the only info that could be obtained was the call came through a Denver relay station. According to Meister this info in itself is not significant in that the call could have been placed from anywhere in quite a large geographic area.
Okay, what do you think?

KarlK
01-11-2009, 03:52 PM
Cars in the 1960's did have VIN numbers. Do you happen to know the VIN number? Was it ever checked out? I know they didn't have computers back then so it might be impossible to trace. Did they ever check the water around the town?

Cars used to be identified with two serial numbers: frame and engine. Unfortunately coding of these numbers was not standardized and tampering by service personnel and junkyards for gray market sales and insurance fraud purposes was relatively common. Those numbers were not considered a reliable way to identify a vehicle by LE so they didn't always bother to look for them in junkyard books. Standardized VIN's only date back from the 70's or 80's.

msells
01-11-2009, 05:07 PM
Okay to set the record staight. The phone rang at Maureen and Larry's around 12 or 1 am. Larry answered the phone, heard coins drop, the person on the phone wanted to speak to Maureen. The voice on the phone asked, "Where's Myrna". Maureen repeated," Melvin is this you, Melvin is this you, the person hung up the phone. The person had to contact information for the phone number. Maureen and Larry had just moved back to Shelby in March of 1967. The number dad would have remembered would have been out of service in November of 1966. Why didn't the person call my mom's parents and ask for her. Their number would have remained the same as before he left.

Teresa Larson
01-13-2009, 01:34 AM
Have you ever considered getting in touch with the news people in Omaha? I would call Mike McKnight of channel 6 WOWT.

msells
01-13-2009, 08:56 PM
The last news coverage we received was in Septmeber of 2007. This is when we were promoting the documentary. Michelle Banduer from Channel 3 news did the report.
What exactly does Michael McKnight do? Does he actually go in an investigate the situation?

Teresa Larson
01-14-2009, 03:23 AM
The last news coverage we received was in Septmeber of 2007. This is when we were promoting the documentary. Michelle Banduer from Channel 3 news did the report.
What exactly does Michael McKnight do? Does he actually go in an investigate the situation?


Mike McKnight is an investigative reporter. He will tell this story and then go and ask the police why they never bothered doing any investigation concerning this case. It will give some more attention to this case. It can't hurt. We might even get lucky and have someone come forward that does dives etc and volunteer to help.

Hurricane
01-15-2009, 09:04 PM
Was Jackie's comment about her leaving after her "ship came in" made after her divorce petition was filed? It seems to me that she probably made this comment thinking that life would be easier for her and the kids after her divorce. At just eighteen years of age she probably had thoughts and dreams of an easier, better life living on alimony and child support, and would no longer have to fear Dennis.

I see the disappearance of Jackie and Melvin as two separate incidents brought together by small town rumors and synchronicity. Was there any rumor of an affair before Dennis approached Myrna after Jackie disappeared, claiming that Jackie and Melvin were having one? Or was Dennis the first to start such a rumor? When Myrna confronted Melvin about an affair with Jackie was Melvin shocked at the allegation, or how did he react to it?

msells
01-17-2009, 10:02 AM
I am not sure when Jackie made her statement. I know that Dennis came to our house in July of 1965 telling mom that dad and Jackie were having an affair. I wouldn't say Dad was shocked. He denied it and went on.
Like I have said before, where was Jackie for one month before Dad got there? She would to have no contact with anyone else but dad. She had to be far enough way so no one seen her. If the phone records from the COOP would have been looked at or the employees questioned, an investigation actually done, this may not be a 43 year old mystery. If anyone would look back on the Doe Network and read about old disappearances, there are records of these, even back in the 60's. It amazes me how these disappearances weren't in the news.

Hurricane
01-18-2009, 11:33 AM
I am not sure when Jackie made her statement. I know that Dennis came to our house in July of 1965 telling mom that dad and Jackie were having an affair. I wouldn't say Dad was shocked. He denied it and went on.
Like I have said before, where was Jackie for one month before Dad got there? She would to have no contact with anyone else but dad. She had to be far enough way so no one seen her. If the phone records from the COOP would have been looked at or the employees questioned, an investigation actually done, this may not be a 43 year old mystery. If anyone would look back on the Doe Network and read about old disappearances, there are records of these, even back in the 60's. It amazes me how these disappearances weren't in the news.

Nebraska has an open records law (has nothing to do with the FOIA): http://www.rcfp.org/ogg/index.php?op=browse&state=NE

You are entitled to those records. I know that no records were originally kept and that there wasn't much of an investigation, but what about the more recent one by the Nebraska Highway Patrol? Do you have those records? Since NHP said that these two people ran off together and that no crime was committed, they can not now claim that this is an open investigation and deny you access to there records.

After you obtain NHP's records and know what they contain I would suggest that you consider hiring a private investigator to look into the movements of Melvin starting the day of his disappearance and working backwards. You may have to go to Lincoln or Omaha to find a good PI. In the midwest they usually charge $50 per hr plus mileage, but PI's have access to computer records that non-LE does not.

Who owned the Hotel (bar & grill) in 1965? Can the owner or an employee verify that Melvin made it there that night? Was Melvin known by the owner, bartender or any other employees? Even though Melvin said that is where he was going could he have gone somewhere else where he might have been publicly seen? Those are the kinds of questions that a PI can help find out for you.

Maybe you want to start by telling the PI that you just want to find out if Melvin made it back to the Hotel that night; control spending and see if the PI can find that out for you. If you are satisfied with the work and the results then continue by nailing down Melvin's timeline first and not worry about where Jackie was or what Dennis was doing until you uncover any interaction with these individuals.

msells
01-18-2009, 07:32 PM
I am sure we ask for the records of the investigation the NSP performed. We were told that they were property of the NSP and they were not public records. I am going to double check that in my emails from the NSP.

msells
01-18-2009, 07:53 PM
Okay, I did ask the NSP for the records of the investigation. This is the response. Finally, the agency will not release investigative reports or documents to any organization, agency, or individual outside law enforcement community. There are a number of reasons for this. Essentially, investigative reports are confidential and are utilized to document issues relevent to a case investigation. In most cases the information is considered sensitive and the release of those reports could jeopardize the status of an investigation. Case reports are only released once a prosector or a court determines they are essential to the discovery process associated with the adjuduciation of a matter in court. This email is signed by the colonel in the NSP. This email was sent to me on November 25, 2005.

msells
01-18-2009, 07:59 PM
Also for the PI, it is not worth it because I have had two and no one can find any paper trail on dad. He vanished into thin air. Charlie the guy who ran the bar that evening has passed away now. No one every thought to ask him. The sheriff never went to him. The sheriff was not aware of dad heading there the night he disappeared. So finding dad is like finding a needle in a haystack. We need to get our story out and maybe by some chance someone may see the story and know the man we are talking about. We had a documentary made called "Closure" Is It Possible? You can view the trailer on Youtube.com by searching Closure Trailer. We need to get the story out and get exposure. Thanks for your comments and ideas.
How do you think I can get past the email from the colonel? Ideas? Thanks

Teresa Larson
01-19-2009, 02:27 AM
Hiring a P.I would be expensive and a waste of your money. I know because I work part time for one. They would want any where from $500 to a $1000 retainer just to get started. I also highly doubt there would be any information about this on the INTERNET. Unless somebody put it there and by what you have said the LE didn't even take notes let alone put it on the INTERNET. I will make a few phone calls and find out about some things that I have been wondering about.

monkalup
01-19-2009, 03:23 AM
I found seven on the doe network. I am sure there are other places that list them. The Doe kind of keeps up with those things. They are listed by state on the DOE. Michele

The Doe Network lists but a fraction of the unidentified victims. It is merely a volunteer run organization. NamUs is getting started and will be another asset, but truly, many unidentifed victims were never reported anywhere...for years. That is changing now with new laws and current cases but there is no way to know how many old cases are out there. In some instances, even the remains are lost, much less the case files.

Hurricane
01-19-2009, 01:41 PM
Also for the PI, it is not worth it because I have had two and no one can find any paper trail on dad. He vanished into thin air. Charlie the guy who ran the bar that evening has passed away now. No one every thought to ask him. The sheriff never went to him. The sheriff was not aware of dad heading there the night he disappeared. So finding dad is like finding a needle in a haystack. We need to get our story out and maybe by some chance someone may see the story and know the man we are talking about. We had a documentary made called "Closure" Is It Possible? You can view the trailer on Youtube.com by searching Closure Trailer. We need to get the story out and get exposure. Thanks for your comments and ideas.
How do you think I can get past the email from the colonel? Ideas? Thanks

In looking further into the open records law Nebraska makes no distinction between open investigations and those that are closed. I still believe that NHP would have to cooperate with a PI working on your behalf:



Open Records
IV. RECORD CATEGORIES -- OPEN OR CLOSED
K. Police records.
4. Investigatory records.

"Records developed or received by law enforcement agencies and other public bodies charged with duties of investigation or examination of persons, institutions, or businesses, when the records constitute a part of the examination, investigation, intelligence information, citizen complaints or inquiries, informant identification, or strategic or tactical information used in law enforcement training" are exempt from disclosure. The public records law does not distinguish between active and closed files.

Hurricane
01-19-2009, 02:35 PM
I'm going to open this up a bit with some other questions. Perhaps the Rain's family can help. My appologies to anyone who might be offended by something I have to ask.

It needs to be determined just how far along in the process the aledged divorce petition that Jackie had filed was at the time of her disappearance.

Does anyone have a copy of the divorce petition filed by Jackie? It should be available at the county court house where it was filed (Polk or Butler county?) What was the reason she gave for the divorce on the petition? Was she asking for custody of the children? Who was her attorney? Some of these answers could lead us to her motive and future plans that she might have had.

Was there a response filed by Dennis to Jackie's divorce petition? If he was actually served did he respond? What was his response? Did he contest the petition? Did he ask for custody of the children? Who was his attorney?

The phone number in Glenwood that Jackie left for her family was disconnected. Does anyone know the phone number or the address of the house connected to this phone number? It could be important to know who owned or lived (rentor?) in that house at that time. What were Jackie's ties to Glenwood or did she just make it all up?

msells
01-19-2009, 09:47 PM
Hurricane, I have a copy of the records. The divorce was filed on September 10th, 1965. He was divorcing her. She personally received the papers on September 20th. She was to return the paper signed by October 11th of 1965. She was obviously gone by then because her lawyer signiture is on them. He signed the papers on October 7, 1965. That to me proves she was gone before dad. The defendant (Jackie) has been guilty of extreme cruelty thorough various acts. He was asking for custody of the children. Now the divorce is underway, why did she disappear? It was over and if she didn't want the children he was asking for custody anyway. She would have been off the hook both ways. It also says the actions of the Defendent (Jackie) gave shown her to be an unfit person to have the care and custody of the minor children. Jackie had no ties to Glenwood. Sally (Jackie's roommate) had lived there and they were going to a wedding according to Mr. and Mrs. Rains. Sally doesn't remember that part of it. Mr. and Mrs. Rains seem to be able to remember the day like it was also yesterday. They seemed very sure of the date and the conversations they had with Jackie before she disappeared. Mrs. Rains had told us that she had tried the phone number and it was out of service. She had since threw the number away. (1991).

Teresa Larson
01-20-2009, 02:47 AM
The police do not have to work with a P.I. They do not have to allow them access nor divulge any information IF they don't want to. I am surprised that Dennis was divorcing Jackie Back then that was almost unheard of. Father's never got custody of their children either. How long before the DNA tests will be back?

msells
01-20-2009, 07:08 AM
The divorce papers were filed by him. He was the plantiff and she was the defendent. I was wondering what kind of extreme cruelty through various acts was she accused of. I have never heard from anyone exactly what that means.

Hurricane
01-20-2009, 04:34 PM
Hurricane, I have a copy of the records. The divorce was filed on September 10th, 1965. He was divorcing her. She personally received the papers on September 20th. She was to return the paper signed by October 11th of 1965. She was obviously gone by then because her lawyer signiture is on them. He signed the papers on October 7, 1965. That to me proves she was gone before dad. The defendant (Jackie) has been guilty of extreme cruelty thorough various acts. He was asking for custody of the children. Now the divorce is underway, why did she disappear? It was over and if she didn't want the children he was asking for custody anyway. She would have been off the hook both ways. It also says the actions of the Defendent (Jackie) gave shown her to be an unfit person to have the care and custody of the minor children. Jackie had no ties to Glenwood. Sally (Jackie's roommate) had lived there and they were going to a wedding according to Mr. and Mrs. Rains. Sally doesn't remember that part of it. Mr. and Mrs. Rains seem to be able to remember the day like it was also yesterday. They seemed very sure of the date and the conversations they had with Jackie before she disappeared. Mrs. Rains had told us that she had tried the phone number and it was out of service. She had since threw the number away. (1991).

When you say that he signed the papers on Oct. 7th are you talking about her attorney or Dennis? Was the divorce granted without her signature on the papers?

If Dennis petitioned for the divorce, asking for custody and Jackie apparently did not intend to contest what motive would Dennis have to do her harm?

Sally claims that she and Jackie had no plans to go to Glenwood? Do you know what family members of Sally's were living in Glenwood at that time, if any? I know you have said that Sally is trying to help but is she having a selective memory?

The language in the petition about Jackie being an unfit person to have custody and care of the children, and the extreme cruelty through various acts is probaly just lawyer talk in case Jackie contested the divorce petition and the plantiff's lawyer had to present his case. Just "rattlin sabers", if you will.

Again, the question is, with everything going his way why would Dennis have any reason to do harm to either Jackie or Melvin?

Hurricane
01-20-2009, 04:38 PM
msells --

I might have missed it in the thread somewhere but can you give a better description of the vault where Melvin kept his coin collection?

Apparently it was not located in a bank like a safety deposit box?

Was it somewhere where he would have 24/7 access to the vault, and so could others?

Is it possible that someone could have taken Melvin and forced him to open the vault at any time?

Hurricane
01-20-2009, 04:52 PM
In the Closure Trailer when Sally says that Jackie told her that she was afraid that "he would come back" is Jackie talking about Dennis? When did Jackie make this statement to Sally and under what circumstances?

ma65
01-20-2009, 07:27 PM
When you say that he signed the papers on Oct. 7th are you talking about her attorney or Dennis? Was the divorce granted without her signature on the papers?

If Dennis petitioned for the divorce, asking for custody and Jackie apparently did not intend to contest what motive would Dennis have to do her harm?

Sally claims that she and Jackie had no plans to go to Glenwood? Do you know what family members of Sally's were living in Glenwood at that time, if any? I know you have said that Sally is trying to help but is she having a selective memory?

The language in the petition about Jackie being an unfit person to have custody and care of the children, and the extreme cruelty through various acts is probaly just lawyer talk in case Jackie contested the divorce petition and the plantiff's lawyer had to present his case. Just "rattlin sabers", if you will.

Again, the question is, with everything going his way why would Dennis have any reason to do harm to either Jackie or Melvin?

I don't feel that Jackie had a chance to contest the custody of the kids. We have no idea if Jackie approached Dennis about the custody of the kids....maybe there was an argument and things got out of control....I feel that Dennis knew that if he put down in the divorce decree that he wanted custody of the kids....that would get Jackie going because Dennis wasn't the one raising the kids...it was Jackie and her family. As for what the family of Jackie's had told us....Dennis would go on rampages with Jackie and even her family.....now with Dennis' anger and abuse why wouldn't Jackie try to fight for the custody of the kids. This is whats puzzling to me.

I just don't feel Jackie had a chance with anything....I can't believe that she wouldn't fight for her kids!!!!

I can't believe that Jackie wouldn't have filed for divorce first...she was the one getting abused....I feel a plan was made...since someone knew that Jackie wouldn't show up......then everything would be cut and dried without Jackie. Pretty low if you ask me....someone out there is pretty spineless!!!

Here are 2 human beings that walked this earth at one time.....yes they have made mistakes...but hasn't everybody?

I've just been wondering...........have they really disappeared and never want to be found or are they dead?? After all these years...I just can't see that one of them wouldn't have tried contacting the family.

I'm having a hard time with this.......I walk this earth every day....make mistakes....deal with it....and move on.....o.k. maybe my mistakes aren't like theirs but still I can't see myself disappearing without contacting my family at one time or another. That's why I feel there's something wrong!!! Someone knows something!!!!

msells
01-20-2009, 11:35 PM
Hurricane, Her attorney signed the papers. The divorce was granted without her signature. Was everything going his way? She was not around to sign or contest the divorce. She was served papers on the Septmeber 20 and by September 24 she was gone. Why would she leave her kids knowing how she had lived her last 2 years? I am not sure if Sally had any family in Glenwood at the time. It may have been her parents. (if anyone). Sally had went under hypnosis a couple of years ago. Dad kept his coins in a basement of the old bank or postoffice. It had a walk in vault. Dad had access to it 24/7. It was in the basement of the building. The building still stands today with the vault still in the basement. I have asked authorities to go down and check out the vault. I know it has been 43 years but maybe, just maybe, there would be some type of clue down there. Dad would have been the only one with the key to the building at the time. It is a possibility that he was forced to open the vault. Sally was under hypnosis when she made that statement. Sally is talking about Dennis. He went to Sally asking her where Jackie was. He had Sally up against a wall and took his fist and put it through the wall close to Sally's head. She was scared he would come back. That is what Sally is talking about. We are assuming this happened (after) Jackie disappeared. There were times where Jackie and the kids would run from Dennis and he would find her and drag her back home.

Hurricane
01-22-2009, 12:26 PM
Sally had went under hypnosis a couple of years ago.... Sally was under hypnosis when she made that statement. Sally is talking about Dennis. He went to Sally asking her where Jackie was. He had Sally up against a wall and took his fist and put it through the wall close to Sally's head. She was scared he would come back. That is what Sally is talking about. We are assuming this happened (after) Jackie disappeared. There were times where Jackie and the kids would run from Dennis and he would find her and drag her back home.

I think I understand now. The woman shown at 1:33 into the Closure Trailer is not Sally, but her hypnotist or someone talking about what Sally said, and not what Jackie said? I assumed that woman was Sally speaking about what she had been told by Jackie.

Hurricane
01-22-2009, 12:37 PM
Dad kept his coins in a basement of the old bank or postoffice. It had a walk in vault. Dad had access to it 24/7. It was in the basement of the building. The building still stands today with the vault still in the basement. I have asked authorities to go down and check out the vault. I know it has been 43 years but maybe, just maybe, there would be some type of clue down there. Dad would have been the only one with the key to the building at the time. It is a possibility that he was forced to open the vault.

What was on the main floor of the building in 1965? Was it being used? If so would they have access to the basement during the daytime?

Could someone have forced Melvin there to open the vault? It's also possible that with the keys they would have had access 24/7 to the basement and went to the vault for the coin collection and whatever else they thought it might have possibly contained sometime later. They could have went under the cover of darkness so as not to be seen in there. How long after Melvin's disappearance was it that your family and LE opened the vault?

Hurricane
01-22-2009, 12:51 PM
[quote=ma65;3195640]I don't feel that Jackie had a chance to contest the custody of the kids. We have no idea if Jackie approached Dennis about the custody of the kids....maybe there was an argument and things got out of control....


I've just been wondering...........have they really disappeared and never want to be found or are they dead?? After all these years...I just can't see that one of them wouldn't have tried contacting the family.

quote]

I think I agree on both of your points. Some kind of confrontation could have occurred concerning the divorce petition that Dennis filed which resulted in Jackie's death as a result of manslaughter, and a subsequent coverup. But what I can't come around to yet is why double your exposure of being caught by going after Melvin to perpetuate a rumor that the two were having an affair and left together? Just to save face in the community? Why not just say that Jackie left town on her own leaving the children behind too, especially if you thought that her body was never going to be found?

Teresa Larson
01-22-2009, 11:01 PM
In those years the mother always got the children. Fathers never got custody of the children. What was Jackie doing that was so wrong? Who did raise her children? I am sure it has been stated but I have forgotten. I feel sorry for Melvin's wife too I am sure she has thought that he left her for Jackie When in reality he might not have!

msells
01-24-2009, 05:35 PM
The main flooor was not in use. It was the bank and then post office. They had built a new post office so the building was vacant. Dad had access to it from the front door. The vault was opened three months after dad's disappearance. Mom did not have the money to hire a locksmith right away.
I always wonder if Jackie disappeared and dad figured out what may have happened to her and decided for his own safety just to get out of RC for good and not risk what may happen. I have three endings to our story. 1. They were both done away with. 2. Dad was scared and ran. 3. They ran away together and started a new life without all of us. I am working hard on trying to find out which is the true ending.

msells
01-24-2009, 05:37 PM
The kids lived with their father's parents growing up.

msells
01-24-2009, 05:38 PM
Teresa, Have you mentioned this disappearance to your boss. You had mentioned you worked with a PI. I was wondering out of curosity what his thoughts are on the disappearance.

Teresa Larson
01-25-2009, 03:09 AM
Teresa, Have you mentioned this disappearance to your boss. You had mentioned you worked with a PI. I was wondering out of curosity what his thoughts are on the disappearance.

No I haven't yet I am sure he will have lots of questions. When I get the chance I will tell him about this and see what he thinks. I am betting he will think they ran away. I will let you know what he has to say. :)

msells
01-25-2009, 12:17 PM
Thanks, Teresa.