Arrest in JBR case part 2

[tybee204]

The other thread is getting hard to open.

Continue here please

[PrayersForMaura]

Is it possible this guy and Patsy were friends or more than friends?

Since there was a ransom note, how would he know the amount of John's bonus?
UNLESS Patsy and this guy were having an affair and she told him how much the bonus check was?

I am JUST theorizing here.

[michelle]

Is it possible this guy and Patsy were friends or more than friends?

Since there was a ransom note, how would he know the amount of John's bonus?
UNLESS Patsy and this guy were having an affair and she told him how much the bonus check was?

I am JUST theorizing here.I am confused about the note too.

[PrayersForMaura]

I am confused about the note too.
what if Patsy was lonely, met this guy through an Internet chat site and he became obsessed with her. She tried to get him to stop, and he killed JonBenet to get back at her? Or maybe he saw JonBenet, thought she was beautiful and so befriended Patsy to get closer to JonBenet?

[Charlie]

There is some conflicting reports as to whether Karr was already in jail on other unrelated sex charges OR was is in jail now because of JBR connection, which is it?

[Cypros]

"Among the facts he said were not generally known was the murder weapon and what the killer did with it. "

Has anybody else noticed this quote from an article Buzz posted on page 17 of Part 1? Sorry, I keep getting kicked out so I didn't get to finish the thread. The comment was made by one of the invetogators as an example of some of the information not made available to the public. I wonder which murder weapon he is referring to? the garrotte? the flashlight? or something unknown???

[tybee204]

I think alot of mis-information was leaked today. In the next few days as this pans out its likely we will discover about half of it is bogus.

[Darlene733510]

Until we hear more on this case, I am afraid to actually believe that this guy is the killer.

How did he know how much JR's bonus was, when he wrote the note? JR doesn't seem to know who this guy is.

He was E-Mailing PR. Did she correspond with him, and did she tell him anything that we had not heard?

I need a lot more proof, but most of all we need Justice for JB.

[mfmangel1]

BillyGoatGruff:
QUOTE:
Hate to tell ya--Alabama & Georgia are right next to one another. It's a 2/3 hour drive from Atlanta to Alabammy, depending on the route you take. People routinely commute to Alabama to Atlanta for work on a daily schedule. So this "inconsistency" means squat.


I do know my geography! LOL! I am well aware of the location of Alabama and Georgia, having lived in Atlanta for most of my life.

I found it odd that the wife and/or brother did not state that the entire family was together for Christmas 1996 in one location. She said Alabama and he said Atlanta.

I thought it was interesting....Apparently, you did not.

However, I would appreciate it if you did not refer to my opinions as "squat". Thank you. :(

[LI_Mom]

I'm having trouble figuring the reason for that long ransom note also. It still makes no sense.

I could maybe see Patsy letting someone come in on Christmas night to photograph JB without telling John. Things got out of hand & next thing she knows, JB is dead.


Although, let's remember Karr's wife says he was with her in Alabama (or Georgia, with the brother) on Christmas night. So now he has 2 people giving him an alibi.

[BillyGoatGruff]

I think this is going to prove a wild goose chase, of sorts. I think the guy is a pedo krank who wanted to take credit for a bigger, more famous crime than merely molesting elementary school students and having kiddie porn on his computer. By claiming to be JBR's killer, that will keep him outof GP and in PC forever.

[Jack]

He wasn't in jail and he is now in jail because he had outstanding warrants in CA for not showing up to court on child porn charges. The Ramseys themselves are the ones who gave boulder police info about him, there own lawyer said so in a press interview. Sounds to me like the wife and brother's story of him doing research and getting in too deep may be believable.

[justice2]

Is there a DNA match? Anyone know for sure one way or another.

[michelle]

Is there a DNA match? Anyone know for sure one way or another.I seen tonight that it matches, but I dont know for sure. I have not heard anything else about it.

[Jack]

I seen tonight that it matches, but I dont know for sure. I have not heard anything else about it.


Please tell us where you saw that it matches. I've seen nothing of the sort.

[Warof2010]

6 John Mark Karr 41 Hamilton Al
10 John Mark Karr 41 Petaluma Ca
12 John Mark Karr 41 Hamilton Al
19 John Mark Karr 41 Hamilton Al
26 John Mark Karr 41 Santa Rosa Ca
27 John Mark Karr 41 Santa Rosa Ca
37 John Mark Karr 41 Petaluma Ca

[tybee204]

There is no verification of a DNA match. That was one of many leaks that came out of un unspecified source today.

[IrishMist]

6 John Mark Karr 41 Hamilton Al
10 John Mark Karr 41 Petaluma Ca
12 John Mark Karr 41 Hamilton Al
19 John Mark Karr 41 Hamilton Al
26 John Mark Karr 41 Santa Rosa Ca
27 John Mark Karr 41 Santa Rosa Ca
37 John Mark Karr 41 Petaluma Cahttp://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gifhttp://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

[wenchie]

I wouldn't be surprised if we find that this is all a hoax perpetrated by team Ramsey.

[indigomood]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gifhttp://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif
people search results I am assuming

[Roxye]

If it is, it is a hell of a hoax.

They just stated on MSNBC that the suspect WAS arrested for JBR murder specifically.

This would be a hoax beyond all other hoaxes.

[michelle]

There is no verification of a DNA match. That was one of many leaks that came out of un unspecified source today.That is probably where I heard it, it was on the news, cant remember where.

[IrishMist]

people search results I am assumingThanks. (Duh! http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/blushing.gif)

[wenchie]

If it is, it is a hell of a hoax.

They just stated on MSNBC that the suspect WAS arrested for JBR murder specifically.

This would be a hoax beyond all other hoaxes.

"He's being held in Thailand on unrelated charges." He has not yet been arrested for Jonbenet's murder.

That talking heads are getting carried away.

[Warof2010]

people search results I am assumingThese locations are where our John Karr has lived

[twinkiesmom]

As far as knowing about the bonus....wasn't it said at one point that the check was lying around on a desk or fax machine?

When I was trying to be a fence sitter on the case, I surmised that if there was any possibility of an intruder, they had to have spent significant time in the house wandering around while the Ramseys were at the Whites.

Let's try to keep ourselves together and keep our options open until we get some more information.

[wenchie]

Don't be surprised if Karr turns out the be the Richard Jewel of the JBR case.

[Chanler]

Don't be surprised if Karr turns out the be the Richard Jewel of the JBR case.
It's entirely possible. Every one wants closure and the sheer force of mass media often propels these things far beyond what we will eventually learn. So far, we really know very little.

[Warof2010]

Wood would not say how the Ramseys knew Karr. But JonBenet was born in Atlanta in 1990, and the Ramseys lived in the Atlanta suburb of Dunwoody for several years before moving to Colorado in 1991.

Thai police said that when Karr was arrested, he denied any involvement in JonBenet's slaying. But a source close to the investigation in the U.S. said Karr confessed to certain elements of the crime. Also, a law enforcement source, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the AP that Karr had been communicating periodically with somebody in Boulder who had been following the case and cooperating with law enforcement officials.

District Attorney Mary Lacy said the arrest followed several months of work, but she said no details would be released until Thursday.

U.S. authorities said Karr was initially taken into custody in Bangkok on unrelated sex charges. But Thai police Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul said he was unaware of any criminal charges the suspect faced in Thailand.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_us/jonbenet_ramsey

Lawrence Schiller, author of the 1999 book "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town" about the case, said Wednesday he understood the man had been on a list of sexual offenders who were suspects for a long time.

"There are a lot of facts about her actual death that the public does not know." Schiller said. "If he did confess to some facts of the murder, to reveal those facts of the case, that would finish the puzzle."

Among the facts he said were not generally known was the murder weapon and what the killer did with it.

DNA was found beneath JonBenet's fingernails and inside her underwear, but Wood said two years ago that detectives were unable to match it to anyone in an FBI database. It was not immediately known Wednesday whether investigators had any DNA evidence against Karr.

[indigomood]

An American suspect arrested in connection with the death of 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey denied any connection to her murder when he was detained at his downtown Bangkok apartment Wednesday, police said.

Karr's visa has been revoked because he was regarded as an "undesirable person" since he is accused of a crime in the United States, Suwat said

The suspect, who has been in Thailand four times over the past two years, was being detained by immigration police pending arrival of U.S. officials, the police said.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_as/thailand_jonbenet_ramsey

[michelle]

An American suspect arrested in connection with the death of 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey denied any connection to her murder when he was detained at his downtown Bangkok apartment Wednesday, police said.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_as/thailand_jonbenet_ramseyNow I swear I read earlier he knew details that were private.

[dragonfly707]

What ever the case may be the guy was very buzy on the internet.

Here is a site that is like an online trade shows of somesort for teachers.

I am not sure how the stuff he posted figures into teaching but I just bet it is the same guy.

http://teachers.net/catalog/tradeshow_listing.html

And I bet that if we could find a way, he probably has been around here on webslueths, that is strictly a hunch on my part.

[WolfmarsGirl]

Could anyone post a picture of that old 'psychic' sketch of the killer and another picture of this John Karr guy?

I have no clue how to post pics. However, I did look at the sketch and it is pretty darned close.

But which came first, a mysterious sketch of an unknown killer? Or a search for an unknown pedophile (easy target) who looked like a sketch?

Hmm...

[dragonfly707]

Now I swear I read earlier he knew details that were private.
On Greta tonight she was interviewing a doctor who actually worked on the case in Denver. Sorry I forget the name. But he mentioned something I had not heard before. She was questioning him regarding the blood in the underpants, and I thought I heard him inadvertantly say that the blood was caused by a paint brush. I knew that there was a paintbrush involved in the case, but I dont think I ever heard that the brush had been used to injure her in such away as to cause blood. (Say in such a way as a stab, or somesort of jab actually done with the brush).

Did anyone else hear this doctor?

[PaperDoll]

I've been having a hard time today getting on WS today and then I saw the Headlines on my MSN Homepage, and I knew why...hehe :crazy: Well here is my :twocents:, not that anyone wants it, but something isn't sitting right with me about this new found arrest.. it's odd, to me, that Patsy is now dead and now they have a suspect, AND the ramson note doesn't play well with me and this guy :waitasec: hum... hum...

[Cypros]

What ever the case may be the guy was very buzy on the internet.

Here is a site that is like an online trade shows of somesort for teachers.

I am not sure how the stuff he posted figures into teaching but I just bet it is the same guy.

http://teachers.net/catalog/tradeshow_listing.html

And I bet that if we could find a way, he probably has been around here on webslueths, that is strictly a hunch on my part.

Oh, I am sure he was a regular here at Websleuths and probably a participant in the discussions. Imagine his thrill. It is probably unethical for the mods to tell us if he has a hat, but I am dying to know.

[michelle]

On Greta tonight she was interviewing a doctor who actually worked on the case in Denver. Sorry I forget the name. But he mentioned something I had not heard before. She was questioning him regarding the blood in the underpants, and I thought I heard him inadvertantly say that the blood was caused by a paint brush. I knew that there was a paintbrush involved in the case, but I dont think I ever heard that the brush had been used to injure her in such away as to cause blood. (Say in such a way as a stab, or somesort of jab actually done with the brush).

Did anyone else hear this doctor?Awe, I hate to hear that. I knew a brush was used but in what manner I dont know.

[otto]

As far as knowing about the bonus....wasn't it said at one point that the check was lying around on a desk or fax machine?

When I was trying to be a fence sitter on the case, I surmised that if there was any possibility of an intruder, they had to have spent significant time in the house wandering around while the Ramseys were at the Whites.

Let's try to keep ourselves together and keep our options open until we get some more information.

Remember BTK who entered people's homes when they weren't home and hid in the basement until everyone went to sleep? I suppose that could very well be what happened here. You make a good point that if the perp was in the house while the family was out, he could have learned a lot about the family and had everything set to go when the family went to bed. He would have had plenty of time to know his way around the house as well.

[tybee204]

since people dont register with the real names I wouldnt have a clue who is or is not registered.

[jc9876]

Also, on the link posted on another thread, he states he was a private tutor in 1996-2001 and we know he was in the states during that time because he was in CA in 2001. He left after the CA porn charges. Is it possible he was somehow in the area or online offering advice, tutoring, etc. and that's how he became connected to the Ramseys? Maybe he never lived in Colorado, but did he visit, maybe looking for employment? Have his family members denied his visiting Colorado during the year before the murder? Just thinking out loud here...

[AutumnBorn]

what if Patsy was lonely, met this guy through an Internet chat site and he became obsessed with her. She tried to get him to stop, and he killed JonBenet to get back at her? Or maybe he saw JonBenet, thought she was beautiful and so befriended Patsy to get closer to JonBenet?

What if it was JOHN that the guy was obsessed with...what if they met during a business trip and the guy just wouldn't go away. He was jealous of John's business success and killed JonBenet to get him so depressed that he'd quit Access Graphics and move to New Zealand? What if he found the video of JonBenet in her cowgirl outfit and remembered the cowboy outfit he had as a child and that reminded him of the horse he asked for and didn't get. And then, what if, he really decided to leave the country because there are too many horses here.

We could what if with our imaginations all day. Can we stick with the facts?

[michelle]

I've been having a hard time today getting on WS today and then I saw the Headlines on my MSN Homepage, and I knew why...hehe :crazy: Well here is my :twocents:, not that anyone wants it, but something isn't sitting right with me about this new found arrest.. it's odd, to me, that Patsy is now dead and now they have a suspect, AND the ramson note doesn't play well with me and this guy :waitasec: hum... hum...well you are not alone PD the note confuses me too. But they also said patsy was aware of a suspect before she died.

[wenchie]

This is like some twisted media version of "Whisper Down The Lane".

What started out as "knew about certain aspects of the crime that weren't known to the public" has evolved into "confessed to certain aspects of the crime".

[Lurker Steve]

He would have had plenty of time to know his way around the house as well.He also would have had plenty of time to write the ransom note.

I wonder if he was hiding in the basement?

[Chanler]

Now I swear I read earlier he knew details that were private.
I believe that those details appeared in emails that he had exchanged over several months with the documentary film maker, not in a police confession.

[wenchie]

"Mrs. Ramsey knew about the imminent arrest before her death."

So.......what the heck were they waiting for?

[Cypros]

On Greta tonight she was interviewing a doctor who actually worked on the case in Denver. Sorry I forget the name. But he mentioned something I had not heard before. She was questioning him regarding the blood in the underpants, and I thought I heard him inadvertantly say that the blood was caused by a paint brush. I knew that there was a paintbrush involved in the case, but I dont think I ever heard that the brush had been used to injure her in such away as to cause blood. (Say in such a way as a stab, or somesort of jab actually done with the brush).

Did anyone else hear this doctor?

This is well-known. The brush handle is believed to have been used for vaginal penetration. I believe they found some wood or paint fragments inside her.

[indigomood]

What ever the case may be the guy was very buzy on the internet.

Here is a site that is like an online trade shows of somesort for teachers.

I am not sure how the stuff he posted figures into teaching but I just bet it is the same guy.

http://teachers.net/catalog/tradeshow_listing.html

And I bet that if we could find a way, he probably has been around here on webslueths, that is strictly a hunch on my part.
He was a musician as well...

[Chanler]

"Mrs. Ramsey knew about the imminent arrest before her death."

So.......what the heck were they waiting for?
According to one news report, he was only identified two days ago. Before then, he had been communicating through an internet pseudonym.

[twinkiesmom]

They need to be able to put this guy in Boulder 12/25/96 and probably also a DNA match...It would not surprise me if a child porn addict were able to fill in the missing links in the murder mechanics.

They may have been able to get DNA from one of his kids to try for a match like they did with BTK.

[wenchie]

According to one news report, he was only identified two days ago. Before then, he had been communicating through an internet pseudonym.

Sounds like the only "evidence" against him is some stuff he said over the internet.

[cricket]

This was posted about 5 minutes ago on the NY Times website:


An American identified as a schoolteacher was arrested in Bangkok yesterday in the death of JonBenet Ramsey (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/r/jonbenet_ramsey/index.html?inline=nyt-per), the 6-year-old beauty pageant princess who was found strangled in her home on Dec. 26, 1996.

The district attorney in Boulder, Colo., where the Ramseys lived when JonBenet’s body was found, said the arrest yesterday came after “several months of a focused and complex investigation.”

The district attorney, Mary Lacy, added in a three-paragraph statement on the Boulder County Web site that JonBenet’s parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, had been consulted during the investigation and that the family had been told of the arrest.



…………..snip………….



The Ramseys’ lawyer, L. Lin Wood, would not say whether the Ramseys had known Mr. Karr, according to The A.P. It was not immediately clear when investigators began focusing on Mr. Karr as a potential suspect in a widely talked about case that some commentators had compared to the kidnapping and killing of the Lindbergh baby in 1932.

Dan Boyd, a spokesman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, part of the Department of Homeland Security (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/h/homeland_security_department/index.html?inline=nyt-org) in Washington, said that his agency’s attaché in Bangkok had assisted officers from the Boulder district attorney’s office and the Royal Thai Police in identifying and arresting the suspect.

A federal official involved in the investigation said that a hearing in Bangkok today could give the authorities access to Mr. Karr’s computer. The official said the authorities had been looking at him in connection with a child pornography investigation. The official also said he expected that Mr. Karr would be returned to this country quickly, though it was not clear how soon.



…………………more at link:



http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/17/us/17jonbenet.html?_r=1&hp&ex=1155787200&en=f356c52af2f16120&ei=5094&partner=homepage&oref=slogin

[dragonfly707]

He was a musician as well...
No the muscian is someone named John Mark Karr II and he lives in Petaluma now, that guy is a younger person. It might even be a son from the myspace picture that was up this afternoon.

That person is not the same but does live in Petaluma where this John Karr lived for a while and where his ex wife still lives.

[scandi]

since people dont register with the real names I wouldnt have a clue who is or is not registered.

Hi Tybee,

I've been dying to ask you this question once I got in again :doh: LOL, but can't you tell from an isp address if it is coming from Thailand? If not, you can check to see who as of today stops posting altogether on the JonBenet forum, right?

Scandi

[RiverRat]

I can't wait to see Keenan-Lacy throw open the files on this case! :woohoo: This new hoax just might turn out to be worth it's weight in gold!

RR

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

13abc.com: Suspect arrested in JonBenet Ramsey slaying (http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=nation_world&id=4469292)

Authorities say 41-year-old John Mark Karr, a former schoolteacher, was arrested in Thailand and charged in the slaying of six-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey.

Sources say Karr confessed to elements of the killing of six-year-old JonBenet Ramsey when he was arrested at his home in Thailand.

He will be brought back to the U.S. and charged in connection with the bizarre and troubling murder and sexual assault -- and it won't be the first time he is charged with a sex crime against a child.

Sources tell ABC News that Karr wrote e-mails to a journalist in Colorado that contained accurage information about the case that only the killer could have known. ..

[jc9876]

No the muscian is someone named John Mark Karr II and he lives in Petaluma now, that guy is a younger person. It might even be a son from the myspace picture that was up this afternoon.

That person is not the same but does live in Petaluma where this John Karr lived for a while and where his ex wife still lives.Yeah, the young guy with the long hair is the II, but he does state on his "resume" that he is a musician as well.

[Tristan]

I have a very strange feeling about this whole situation.
It really strikes me as some kind of a hoax orchestrated
by Team Ramsey.

I REALLY hope that an innocent man doesn't go to prison for this...
and that the guilty party doesn't walk free.

[Warof2010]

since people dont register with the real names I wouldnt have a clue who is or is not registered.Will all of the murderers, pedophiles, and such, on this forum, please step forward and identify yourselves. Thanks.

[Lurker Steve]

I really hope I didn't waste the past ten years of my life convincing myself that it was the Ramsey's, and I was wrong.
:p

[scandi]

If someone would be so kind, is there a photo of this guy and also one of the psychic's sketch?


Scandi

[cricket]

Sounds like the only "evidence" against him is some stuff he said over the internet.
I can't imagaine that the DA in Boulder would arrest someone if that was the only evidence. The entire Boulder law enforcement community has been crucified in the media (and rightly so) for all the blunders they made early on in this case.

The DA has had three highly-respected, retired LE working on this case. I would make a guess and say that they have been very thorough. However, the guy does deserve the presumption of innocence until he is tried in a court and found guilty.

[dragonfly707]

Yeah, the young guy with the long hair is the II, but he does state on his "resume" that he is a musician as well.
OK sorry, I missed the part on the resume. I kind of feel sorry for the "Kid" that has to go to school tomorrow with the name John Mark Karr even if it is the II.

[dragonfly707]

If someone would be so kind, is there a photo of this guy and also one of the psychic's sketch?


Scandi

Photo and resume:

http://www.job4teacher.com/Candidates/JohnKarr.html

[indigomood]

Could anyone post a picture of that old 'psychic' sketch of the killer and another picture of this John Karr guy?

I have no clue how to post pics. However, I did look at the sketch and it is pretty darned close.

But which came first, a mysterious sketch of an unknown killer? Or a search for an unknown pedophile (easy target) who looked like a sketch?

Hmm...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/phatwirephreddie/sidebyside.jpg

eta, this is a pic of a john carr but necessarily the john carr

[PaperDoll]

well you are not alone PD the note confuses me too. But they also said patsy was aware of a suspect before she died.

Hi Michelle :p I just read what Tricia had to say on the thread she started, and I agree with her... I'm not buying into this new arrest... :snooty: doesn't make sense...

[michelle]

:laugh: Will all of the murderers, pedophiles, and such, on this forum, please step forward and identify yourselves. Thanks.oh that was a good one.

[wenchie]

I can't imagaine that the DA in Boulder would arrest someone if that was the only evidence. The entire Boulder law enforcement community has been crucified in the media (and rightly so) for all the blunders they made early on in this case.

The DA has had three highly-respected, retired LE working on this case. I would make a guess and say that they have been very thorough. However, the guy does deserve the presumption of innocence until he is tried in a court and found guilty.

Maybe.

I'm curious to know how he climbed in a basement window without leaving one miniscule bit of fiber behind.

I'm also curious how he managed to get Patsy's clothing fibers inside the duct tape, but none of his own.

My theory right now is that he committed the crime while naked, and forced Patsy to write the ransom note at gunpoint.

[Beyond Belief]

Photo and resume:

http://www.job4teacher.com/Candidates/JohnKarr.html
Are u sure thats the right guy? The brother thought he went to school in Alabama.

[michelle]

Hi Michelle :p I just read what Tricia had to say on the thread she started, and I agree with her... I'm not buying into this new arrest... :snooty: doesn't make sense...It is very weird, but I really want justice!!! I cant take it. Its like we all know that scott killed laci but how. Is that sick or just normal humans just wanting to know how and why?

[Nuisanceposter]

Maybe.

I'm curious to know how he climbed in a basement window without leaving one miniscule bit of fiber behind.

I'm also curious how he managed to get Patsy's clothing fibers inside the duct tape, but none of his own.

My theory right now is that he committed the crime while naked, and forced Patsy to write the ransom note at gunpoint.Is that stun gunpoint?

[peace9274]

I read the resume of J Karr from the previous thread.
There's a lot to be read between the lines. Makes ya go "Hmmmmm"

Maybe he had applied for a job as a "nanny" for JonBonet and Patsy refused to hire him...

Whoever he is... according to the resume, he's one sick sickopath.

:furious:

JMO

[dragonfly707]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/phatwirephreddie/sidebyside.jpg

That is the scariest thing I have seen all night. An amazing likeness in my opinion.

[RiverRat]

Karr would have been in contact with jameson and her forum, you are all safe!

Well, unless you post there too. And send your name and money.

RR

[cricket]

Maybe.

I'm curious to know how he climbed in a basement window without leaving one miniscule bit of fiber behind.

I'm also curious how he managed to get Patsy's clothing fibers inside the duct tape, but none of his own.

My theory right now is that he committed the crime while naked, and forced Patsy to write the ransom note at gunpoint.

Maybe he wore a plastic jumpsuit/overalls. Seems like I was just reading about a killer that did that.

[michelle]

That is the scariest thing I have seen all night. An amazing likeness in my opinion.Holy cow, who did that?

[PaperDoll]

It is very weird, but I really want justice!!! I cant take it. Its like we all know that scott killed laci but how. Is that sick or just normal humans just wanting to know how and why?


hehe both... :crazy: Well actually I'd like to know too.. :D and I think I'm pretty sick... lol

[lilpony]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/phatwirephreddie/sidebyside.jpg
Heres a shout out to Indigo. I haven't seen you around for awhile! Hope your doing well. :blowkiss:

[WolfmarsGirl]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/phatwirephreddie/sidebyside.jpg


Thanks Indigo! That is what I am talking about...Scary, no?

[michelle]

It is very weird, but I really want justice!!! I cant take it. Its like we all know that scott killed laci but how. Is that sick or just normal humans just wanting to know how and why?


hehe both... :crazy: Well actually I'd like to know too.. :D and I think I'm pretty sick... lolYea me too.

[mfmangel1]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/phatwirephreddie/sidebyside.jpg

eta, this is a pic of a john carr but necessarily the john carr


Thanks for the side by side comparison.

That is just creepy!

[dragonfly707]

Karr would have been in contact with jameson and her forum, you are all safe!

Well, unless you post there too. And send your name and money.

RR
wow River I've not been around for a long time is Jameson still around??? Now that is what is scary!

[WolfmarsGirl]

That is the scariest thing I have seen all night. An amazing likeness in my opinion.


I agree Dragonfly...what the heck ???

[indigomood]

Heres a shout out to Indigo. I haven't seen you around for awhile! Hope your doing well. :blowkiss:
nice to see you too lilpony :blowkiss:
I am aok and hope you are too!

[Lurker Steve]

I think it was the Ramsey's... the cops found their fingerprints literally all over the house. Damning. Why haven't they been arrested earlier? :furious:

[wenchie]

I predict that by noon tomorrow, the news talkers are going to be toning it down and backtracking a bit.

Orson Wells should be here for this one.

[jc9876]

I read the resume of J Karr from the previous thread.
There's a lot to be read between the lines. Makes ya go "Hmmmmm"

Maybe he had applied for a job as a "nanny" for JonBonet and Patsy refused to hire him...

Whoever he is... according to the resume, he's one sick sickopath.

:furious:

JMOAssuming he is the killer, and the connection is just coincidental and not an affair, you begin to wonder how he chose JB. At the very least he is a pedophile--sorry perv. I would like to look into the whole PowerWurks thing he said he was starting up where kids could email him (or the "organization") with their troubles. What if someone, Burke maybe, opened the door to him in that way and never knew it.

He posted that offer on 3-7-1996 and I'm sure he was grooming some kids in that way. It would be interesting to find out.

[indigomood]

Thanks Indigo! That is what I am talking about...Scary, no?


Thanks for the side by side comparison.

That is just creepy!

you're welcome!

[wenchie]

As heinous as kiddie porn is, it doesn't make him a pedophile to have some in his possession.

[lilpony]

Oh goodness. And here I thought this case was finally solved. Now I am again shocked to see it probably isn't! Good grief.. :doh:

[jc9876]

I changed it from pedo to perv, but wasn't there a 2nd charge in CA that involved actual physical contact. I'll go look for it.

[PaperDoll]

Oh goodness. And here I thought this case was finally solved. Now I am again shocked to see it probably isn't! Good grief.. :doh:
at least it got the board jumping again.. we needed the excitment here.. hehe :D

[michelle]

As heinous as kiddie porn is, it doesn't make him a pedophile to have some in his possession.Ok but why else would a grown man have kiddie porn?

[dragonfly707]

As heinous as kiddie porn is, it doesn't make him a pedophile to have some in his possession.:confused: Esplain please????

[lilpony]

at least it got the board jumping again.. we needed the excitment here.. hehe :D
:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :woohoo:
We sure did!!;)

[IrishMist]

As heinous as kiddie porn is, it doesn't make him a pedophile to have some in his possession.What does it make him, then?? We aren't talking naked adults who have given their consent... we're talking Child porn. Who else would look at it/own it if not a pedophile??

[wenchie]

Ok but why else would a grown man have kiddie porn?

There are probably millions of men who've looked at kiddie porn but never have molested a child, just as there are many who've watched rape porn or snuff films but never raped or killed anyone.

It's sick, twisted, illegal behavior to look at kiddie porn - but it doesn't equate to the crime of pedophilia.

[michelle]

What does it make him, then?? We aren't talking naked adults who have given their consent... we're talking Child porn. Who else would look at it/own it if not a pedophile??Exactly!

[laini]

So did I get this right? JB was born in Atlanta and John Karr lived there around the same time she was born? Did he maybe know the family way back then?
Also, His name sure sounds familiar to me. Anyone else think that? I swear I have read it somewhere.

[Amraann]

wow River I've not been around for a long time is Jameson still around??? Now that is what is scary!

Yes! She was recently trying to peddle a play about JBR that she wrote on Ebay.

There is a thread about it here.

I will admit its to early in the game to know what the police actually have on this guy. IN light of the fact that this case has been huge for so long I must conclude whatever they have is pretty damning.
He was arrested for her murder.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/16/ramsey.arrest/index.html
(CNN) -- A suspect was arrested in Bangkok, Thailand, Wednesday "for the December 26, 1996, murder of JonBenet Ramsey," the district attorney in Boulder, Colorado, said Wednesday.


I don't believe the police would have rushed to arrest someone without some pretty hard evidence. I would think they have certainly checked into his whereabouts during that Holiday season.

[michelle]

There are probably millions of men who've looked at kiddie porn but never have molested a child, just as there are many who've watched rape porn or snuff films but never raped or killed anyone.

It's sick, twisted, illegal behavior to look at kiddie porn - but it doesn't equate to the crime of pedophilia.Ok well too me its suggest a pedophile. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia Someone interested in children!

[PaperDoll]

:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :woohoo:
We sure did!!;)

I know, the more the merrier.. hehe

[IrishMist]

There are probably millions of men who've looked at kiddie porn but never have molested a child, just as there are many who've watched rape porn or snuff films but never raped or killed anyone.

It's sick, twisted, illegal behavior to look at kiddie porn - but it doesn't equate to the crime of pedophilia.I highly doubt there are millions of men who enjoy watching child porn. Even in the porn world there is mainstream, and then the outer reaches... but millions looking at child porn? Nope. You and I are gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. I do not believe that men who like grown-ups would enjoy child porn.

[JBean]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/phatwirephreddie/sidebyside.jpg

eta, this is a pic of a john carr but necessarily the john carr hey diggity..thank you :blowkiss:

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

An article with a picture of the suspect:

6abc.com: Picture of JonBenet's Alleged Killer (http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=nation_world&id=4469500)

[wenchie]

So did I get this right? JB was born in Atlanta and John Karr lived there around the same time she was born? Did he maybe know the family way back then?
Also, His name sure sounds familiar to me. Anyone else think that? I swear I have read it somewhere.

They need to get their stories straight. Lin Wood said they knew him. John Ramsey said they didn't. Patsy's sister said that she'd never heard of him.

[indigomood]

As heinous as kiddie porn is, it doesn't make him a pedophile to have some in his possession.
would you concede it makes one a pervert?

[michelle]

An article with a picture of the suspect:

6abc.com: Picture of JonBenet's Alleged Killer (http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=nation_world&id=4469500)Thanks.

[PaperDoll]

http://bestsmileys.com/drinking/5.gifI think I'll just kick back here and wait till the REAL truth comes out.. :D

[wenchie]

I highly doubt there are millions of men who enjoy watching child porn. Even in the porn world there is mainstream, and then the outer reaches... but millions looking at child porn? Nope. You and I are gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. I do not believe that men who like grown-ups would enjoy child porn.

Okay. I have no proof that there are "millions" of men who have looked at child porn. I'm sure that not all of them who have, have molested children, though.

This man was arrested for having child pornography. Some people are jumping the gun and assuming that he was arrested for pedophilia.

[ayjey]

There is no verification of a DNA match. That was one of many leaks that came out of un unspecified source today.


I saw it with my own eyes on MSNBC between 6-7pm this evening. It was scrolled along the bottom of the screen.

[dragonfly707]

Yes! She was recently trying to peddle a play about JBR that she wrote on Ebay.

There is a thread about it here.

I will admit its to early in the game to know what the police actually have on this guy. IN light of the fact that this case has been huge for so long I must conclude whatever they have is pretty damning.
He was arrested for her murder.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/16/ramsey.arrest/index.html
(CNN) -- A suspect was arrested in Bangkok, Thailand, Wednesday "for the December 26, 1996, murder of JonBenet Ramsey," the district attorney in Boulder, Colorado, said Wednesday.


I don't believe the police would have rushed to arrest someone without some pretty hard evidence. I would think they have certainly checked into his whereabouts during that Holiday season.
<Amraann> Thanks and it is good to see another familiar hat!!!!
Been a long time since I hung around these hallowed halls. Good to see so many that I still remember.

[laini]

John Karr's resume:

1981-1996 Restoration of mansions.

They had more then one of their homes extensively remodeled.(if I remember correctly)
The ransom note seemed so vindictive towards JB's parents. Just wondering if he did know them.

[dragonfly707]

John Karr's resume:

1981-1996 Restoration of mansions.

They had more then one of their homes extensively remodeled.(if I remember correctly)
The ransom note seemed so vindictive towards JB's parents. Just wondering if he did know them.
I think seeing what dots that LE has used to connect this guy to the case is going to be very interesting.

[Cypros]

Photo and resume:

http://www.job4teacher.com/Candidates/JohnKarr.html

I am sure that this is not the right guy. First of all the address of Albany NY doesn't fit and, if this is a current picture, the suspect is older. Please be careful about posting pictures unless you are sure you have the right one. This guy's name is pretty common.

[jc9876]

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/08/16/MNGT1KJSBQ19.DTL

Halfway down on that article it says he either allegedly comitted a sex offense against a minor or had a hand in distributing controlled substances. It also states that he was dismissed from teaching jobs in GA and "another southern state" due to similar allegations.

So how did wifey not know until 2001 about the tendencies this man might have. Maybe she really doesn't have a clue about what he was doing during those years.

Sorry I don't know how to link correctly!!!

[michelle]

I am sure that this is not the right guy. First of all the address of Albany NY doesn't fit and, if this is a current picture, the suspect is older. Please be careful about posting pictures unless you are sure you have the right one. This guy's name is pretty common.That is the same picture of the guy that the news released. http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=nation_world&id=4469500

[AutumnBorn]

Are u sure thats the right guy? The brother thought he went to school in Alabama.

Oh, does it really matter?

[dragonfly707]

I am sure that this is not the right guy. First of all the address of Albany NY doesn't fit and, if this is a current picture, the suspect is older. Please be careful about posting pictures unless you are sure you have the right one. This guy's name is pretty common.
I agree that it may not be the same guy, I was not the first one to post it though and if you caught Greta tonight the picture she used of the suspect looked like the same guy in this picture. The picture on the web resume could be an old picture. There is a lot about the resume that adds up, and there is a lot that is missing. I would not however expect this guy to actually post the truth. After all he was in a foregin country after warrants here were issued for him.

[IrishMist]

Okay. I have no proof that there are "millions" of men who have looked at child porn. I'm sure that not all of them who have, have molested children, though.No, just cause they've looked at it doesn't mean they've acted on the fantasy. But adult males would not enjoy child porn if they weren't pedophiles.

This man was arrested for having child pornography. Some people are jumping the gun and assuming that he was arrested for pedophilia.Owning child porn is illegal. You don't get arrested for being a pedophile. You get arrested for acting on it in any way, shape, or form.

[Cypros]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/phatwirephreddie/sidebyside.jpg

eta, this is a pic of a john carr but necessarily the john carr

OKay, I was criticizing posting the wrong picture, but now I see that this really may be the guy. Gawd this case is driving me nuts!!

[Amraann]

Okay. I have no proof that there are "millions" of men who have looked at child porn. I'm sure that not all of them who have, have molested children, though.

This man was arrested for having child pornography. Some people are jumping the gun and assuming that he was arrested for pedophilia.

I am pretty sure that all of them want to though. Why else look at sick pictures of naked children?
Because they are having fantasies of sex with children. Even if the actual act of molesting a child is not engaged in.. Fantasizing about it makes one a pedophile.
Wanting to have sex with a child makes one a Pedophile.

Actually he was arrested as a suspect for murdering JobBenet.

[Beyond Belief]

I think we need to start working on any abductions or missing in the areas this man has lived/traveled. I never have believed they only murder one. They only get caught for one.

[JBean]

[b]THE GUY ON THE RIGHT IS NOT THE JOHN KARR THAT WAS ARRESTED IN THAILAND!!!![B]

I feel sorry for any man who is named John Karr right now. They are going to be harassed for long time and maybe worse if careless people post their pictures in connection with this horrible crime. Geeesh!I think it came out of a news report... I think the picture matched one on TV. But don't quote me on that.

[laini]

I am sure that this is not the right guy. First of all the address of Albany NY doesn't fit and, if this is a current picture, the suspect is older. Please be careful about posting pictures unless you are sure you have the right one. This guy's name is pretty common.

I think the photo on the resume matches the guy in the photo (a different photo) released by abc just now. Of course, abc could be wrong.

BUT, I do agree with you about protecting innocent folks with the same name. :)

[indigomood]

I am sure that this is not the right guy. First of all the address of Albany NY doesn't fit and, if this is a current picture, the suspect is older. Please be careful about posting pictures unless you are sure you have the right one. This guy's name is pretty common.
point well taken, however, imo, I do believe there is a striking resemblance of the resume pic you referenced and the assoc press picture here http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=nation_world&id=4469500

jmho

[dragonfly707]

OKay, I was criticizing posting the wrong picture, but now I see that this really may be the guy. Gawd this case is driving me nuts!!
Here is the actual picture of the actual guy as being broadcast on Fox

http://www.foxnews.com/

[tybee204]

I saw it with my own eyes on MSNBC between 6-7pm this evening. It was scrolled along the bottom of the screen.

alot has been reported but I havent heard the Police or the DA confirm anything. Alot has been leaked by "un named" sources and alot of that has already been disputed or shown to be unreliable.

In a rush to get news out many unconfirmed rumors have been reported. I personally spoke to a friend that works for CNN tonight and she told me no one was able to back up the DNA claim. That is why it isnt headlining the news reports. It was a bogus lead

[Cypros]

OMG, this guy looks totally innocuous. I wanted him to be big and ugly and creepy looking, but I am sure he is able to pass himself off as "normal", maybe even charming, wherever he goes. This is the scariest type of predator.

[Warof2010]

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/08/16/MNGT1KJSBQ19.DTL

Halfway down on that article it says he either allegedly comitted a sex offense against a minor or had a hand in distributing controlled substances. It also states that he was dismissed from teaching jobs in GA and "another southern state" due to similar allegations.

So how did wifey not know until 2001 about the tendencies this man might have. Maybe she really doesn't have a clue about what he was doing during those years.

Sorry I don't know how to link correctly!!!Karr was arrested in April 2001 in Sonoma County and charged with five counts of possession of child pornography, but fled the county before he could be convicted, said Sgt. Robert Giordano of the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department.

A source close to the investigation who wanted to remain anonymous said the pornography was allegedly found on Karr's computer after a third party alerted the sheriff's department.

"It was a hard case," the source said. "I think they worked on it for months."

Karr worked in the Petaluma City Elementary School District as an elementary substitute teacher from Dec. 8, 2000 to April 2, 2001, when he was terminated from the position, said Deputy Superintendent of Business Services Steve Bolman. Karr worked in several schools in the district and in other schools in the North Bay.

The California Commission on Teacher Credentialing suspended Karr's credential on April 11, 2002, the minutes of the commission meeting show. He was suspended because of a complaint, information or an indictment that had been filed in court against him alleging that he committed a sex offense or an offense "involving aiding and abetting the unlawful sale, use or exchange to minors of controlled substances," according to the minutes.

Authorities learned during the investigation that Karr had been fired from teaching jobs in Georgia and another southern state amid similar allegations.

"We submitted (the case) to the DA's office for prosecution," Giordano said. "At some point in the court process he failed to appear and a warrant was issued for his arrest. That warrant is still outstanding

[michelle]

OMG, this guy looks totally innocuous. I wanted him to be big and ugly and creepy looking, but I am sure he is able to pass himself off as "normal", maybe even charming, wherever he goes. This is the scariest type of predator.I know isnt it. I mean he is actually "OK" looking. But hey, so was Ted bundy.

[laini]

I think we need to start working on any abductions or missing in the areas this man has lived/traveled. I never have believed they only murder one. They only get caught for one.

I agree. Riley Fox? Morgan Nick? Unfortunatley, there are so many.

[Kalypso2012]

I think we need to start working on any abductions or missing in the areas this man has lived/traveled. I never have believed they only murder one. They only get caught for one.What about the families in Europe that he nannied for? Would there be a record of any accusations there? (It is hard to read that part of his resume).

[mfmangel1]

I wonder if he had contact with his children after he fled? Or contact with the ex-wife or brother?

Did the brother know about the child porn charges?

So many questions....

[Beyond Belief]

This is going to be a huge undertaking. Pulling the dirty secrets out of this guys past has to be done.

[laini]

What struck me about his resume was how much he has jumped around, how he has done so many DIFFERENT things (and specialized in them all), not to mention being creeped out by his nanny job experience descriptions. Don't get me wrong. I get a "two year itch" and change departments at my job every 2-3 years, but this guy went all over the world and sounds like he didn't leave on good terms in some. The whole resume sounds odd to me.

[Lurker Steve]

An interesting post to Huff's blog (not from Huff himself):

I’ll think you’ll find Karr’s computer experience played a big role in his arrest. I’m told many people close to the case, including several reporters, tried to get help from the Boulder Police many years ago regarding other communications Karr made via sophisticated anonymous emailers. They never cared to pay attention as they were convinced Patsy was their perp.If that's the case... :doh:

[laini]

Dying to know if he posted here.

[jc9876]

What struck me about his resume was how much he has jumped around, how he has done so many DIFFERENT things (and specialized in them all), not to mention being creeped out by his nanny job experience descriptions. Don't get me wrong. I get a "two year itch" and change departments at my job every 2-3 years, but this guy went all over the world and sounds like he didn't leave on good terms in some. The whole resume sounds odd to me.I agree totally about the creepiness. Also look at the expatriated time period. All 2002 and after. When he fled CA and the child porn issues.

Also, the pic is old. The guy on the resume started working in 1981 and let's say at the age of 16. That's 25 years ago, which would make him 41. Don't let the pic fool you. It's there for a reason, to give the viewer a certain idea. Also look at his polo shirt. It's quite out of fashion. (nothing wrong with that, just an observation as to when the pic may have been taken.).

[Warof2010]

What struck me about his resume was how much he has jumped around, how he has done so many DIFFERENT things (and specialized in them all), not to mention being creeped out by his nanny job experience descriptions. Don't get me wrong. I get a "two year itch" and change departments at my job every 2-3 years, but this guy went all over the world and sounds like he didn't leave on good terms in some. The whole resume sounds odd to me.As Cypros pointed out, that is not the right John Karr.

[jc9876]

As Cypros pointed out, that is not the right John Karr.I think it is the right John Karr with an old picture to give him a more youthful, less old creepy guy appearance.

[scandi]

Thank you so much Dragonfly and Indigo for posting his photo and the sketch. That was so fast too!

I agree it is simply amazing how close they are in likeness: a long jaw with a pointed chin, same face shape, hairline and hair, and only the nose is a bit longer in the sketch, but HEY, pretty phenomonal I'd say!

Now do you guys know who this psychic is and when the sketch was drawn and if there is a thread about it here. If this is the guy, we had a remarkable picture of him all along. And if the police had talked to him before as I read here today, is that one for the books or what! 10 whole years. I know, they were too busy fingering Patsy!


Scandi

Has anyone seen BlueCrab? :p :p :p :p

[narlacat]

He hasn't been around for a while anyway....

[Kalypso2012]

A galfriend at my house tonight called the Boulder police dept (because we have a VOIP phone) and told them they were a bunch of "bumbling Keystone Cops." You could hear a *whole lotta* commotion that was going on in the background before the very busy female operator hung up on her. LOL

[lilpony]

Thank you so much Dragonfly and Indigo for posting his photo and the sketch. That was so fast too!

I agree it is simply amazing how close they are in likeness: a long jaw with a pointed chin, same face shape, hairline and hair, and only the nose is a bit longer in the sketch, but HEY, pretty phenomonal I'd say!

Now do you guys know who thie psychic is and when the sketch was drawn and if there is a thread about it here. If this is the guy, we had a remarkable picture of him all along. And if the police had talked to him before as I read here today, is that one for the books or what! 10 whole years. I know, they were too busy fingering Patsy!


Scandi

Has anyone seen BlueCrab? :p :p :p :pAny relation to SnowCrab or KingCrab??:p

[laini]

As Cypros pointed out, that is not the right John Karr.

Do you think the resume guy is a different guy then the guy in the photo abc just released? Or do you think abc has the wrong guy??? (does that make sense? I need to go to bed) :waitasec: LOL

[narlacat]

A galfriend at my house tonight called the Boulder police dept (because we have a VOIP phone) and told them they were a bunch of "bumbling Keystone Cops." You could hear a *whole lotta* commotion that was going on in the background before the very busy female operator hung up on her. LOLNaughty!

[scandi]

He hasn't been around for a while anyway....



:eek:

:slap: Scandi

[scandi]

What are the initials I keep seeing pop up, like S*BT?

Thanks Scandi

[Warof2010]

Do you think the resume guy is a different guy then the guy in the photo abc just released? Or do you think abc has the wrong guy??? (does that make sense? I need to go to bed) :waitasec: LOLABC has the right guy.

[laini]

Although I went back and forth on "parents did it" and "intruder did it", the person who I really felt/feel bad for is Burke. All the "burke did it" posts broke my heart. (not to say I wasn't swayed by poster's opinions) I really hope there is good evidence (DNA!!) so we will know for sure if this guy did it.

[laini]

ABC has the right guy.
OK. They still look the same to me. :)
But I will wait and see.

[scandi]

I think both photos look like the same guy Buzz, just at different ages. I can see both of these guys in that sketch. And then we are looking at two different angles as well. Gives a bit of a different perspective.


Scandi

[LinasK]

What are the initials I keep seeing pop up, like S*BT?

Thanks Scandi
S.B.T.C. was at the end of the Ransom Note. We've had whole threads devoted to the possible meaning. My favorite is Patsy- Saved By The Cross.

[indigomood]

As Cypros pointed out, that is not the right John Karr.
actually Buzz in post #121 Cypros responds
OKay, I was criticizing posting the wrong picture, but now I see that this really may be the guy. Gawd this case is driving me nuts!!

the Associated Press ABC pic (more recent perhaps) and the Resume pic (more dated perhaps) imo bear a striking resemblance...
nice hairline too ;)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/phatwirephreddie/sidebyside2.jpg

[txsvicki]

Okay. I have no proof that there are "millions" of men who have looked at child porn. I'm sure that not all of them who have, have molested children, though.

This man was arrested for having child pornography. Some people are jumping the gun and assuming that he was arrested for pedophilia.

The only reason men would look at adult porn is to be sexually stimulated by the attractive women and visualization of sexual things. Why on earth would anyone at all even look at child porn in the first place if not for the same sick disgustiong revolting reasons? Besides, it is illegal and anyone having it in possession or on a computer is risking arrest I think. Decent normal men would be in horror of viewing such horrible things and wouldn't even look it up online or clink on any sort of questionable links online.

[Warof2010]

Suspect arrested in JonBenet Ramsey case

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_us/jonbenet_ramsey

BOULDER, Colo. - A former schoolteacher was arrested Wednesday in Thailand in the slaying of 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey — a surprise breakthrough in a lurid, decade-old murder mystery that had cast a cloud of suspicion over her parents.

Ramsey family attorney Lin Wood identified the suspect as John Mark Karr, 41. Federal officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed the name, and one law enforcement official told The Associated Press that Boulder police had tracked him down online.

Wood said the arrest vindicated JonBenet's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey. Patsy Ramsey died of ovarian cancer June 24.

"John and Patsy lived their lives knowing they were innocent, trying to raise a son despite the furor around them," Wood said. "The story of this family is a story of courage, and story of an American injustice and tragedy that ultimately people will have to look back on and hopefully learn from."

The attorney said the Ramseys learned about the suspect at least a month before Patsy Ramsey's death. "It's been a very long 10 years, and I'm just sorry Patsy isn't here for me to hug her neck," Wood said.

Karr was a teacher who once lived in Conyers, Ga., according to Wood. The attorney said the Ramseys gave police information about Karr before he was identified as a suspect.

Wood would not say how the Ramseys knew Karr. But JonBenet was born in Atlanta in 1990, and the Ramseys lived in the Atlanta suburb of Dunwoody, about 30 miles northeast of Conyers, for several years before moving to Colorado in 1991.

Pictures--pick any two

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_us/jonbenet_ramsey

http://www.job4teacher.com/Candidates/JohnKarr.html

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=nation_world&id=4469500

[otto]

point well taken, however, imo, I do believe there is a striking resemblance of the resume pic you referenced and the assoc press picture here http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=nation_world&id=4469500

jmho

I think it's the same guy except the picture in the resume is probably from a couple of years ago. In fact, it's the same picture that was posted on that link I found and that resume only went up to 2001 ... so the picture could be that old.

[scandi]

Thanks Linaski, you lil' sweetie-pie!

Same mouth - thin upper lip, pouchy lower lip in center, jaw would show more from side view, left eyebrow facing you in newer pic has same line as right eyebrow in older pic - I think one of the pics is turned around, left to right. Plus he is squinting in the newer picture.


I see a lot of distinct similarities.

The new pic almost resembles a news reporter on TV - NBC I think, except his face is a bit wider and he is heavier.


Scandi

PS: I think this case has had a following for so many years that posters get engrained in their formulated ideas about it. It might be difficult for some posters to accept the fact Patsy didn't kill JonBenet if it is found this guy is good for the killing, as for 10 years they have been convinced she did.

I think the guy slipped into the house some time before the night he killed her and got acquainted with the home and the Ramsey's lives, discovered that little room behind the furnace room and took something Patsy had written. He studied her handwriting to duplicate it which wouldn't be too hard as he is educated and a teacher, and had the note all written when he got to the home on the night of the murder.

What gets me, he murdered her with everyone sleeping soundly who never heard a thing! The balls to do something like that is beyond me.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Karr's brother seemed very nice but also seemed to be completely unaware of anything bad in which his brother may have been involved. A simple misunderstanding because his brother was writing a book about men that commit crimes against children? Perhaps. But isn't it a bit ironic that this same man is wanted on sex charges and was found with child porn on his computer? I personally think that the story about writing this book was just a convenient excuse. The "research" he was doing was probably more like recreation and the research angle was a pre-fabricated excuse that this sicko had in case he was ever caught.

On Greta, Nate Karr seemed to have no idea of any past trouble that his brother may have had with LE. Sadly, I think that he is going to be shell-shocked to learn what his brother had really been up to.

[JBean]

Karr's neighbor lady just said on our local news that the only thing strange she saw about him was that "he had 3 children but her never played with them"

[otto]

Karr's brother seemed very nice but also seemed to be completely unaware of anything bad in which his brother may have been involved. A simple misunderstanding because his brother was writing a book about men that commit crimes against children? Perhaps. But isn't it a bit ironic that this same man is wanted on sex charges and was found with child porn on his computer? I personally think that the story about writing this book was just a convenient excuse. The "research" he was doing was probably more like recreation and the research angle was a pre-fabricated excuse that this sicko had in case he was ever caught.

On Greta, Nate Karr seemed to have no idea of any past trouble that his brother may have had with LE. Sadly, I think that he is going to be shell-shocked to learn what his brother had really been up to.

It should be pretty easy to figure out ... if he's been researching the case for 10 years to write a book, he should have at least a couple of drafts completed by now. No one, not even a teacher, writes that slow.

[newtv]

Karr's brother seemed very nice but also seemed to be completely unaware of anything bad in which his brother may have been involved. A simple misunderstanding because his brother was writing a book about men that commit crimes against children? Perhaps. But isn't it a bit ironic that this same man is wanted on sex charges and was found with child porn on his computer? I personally think that the story about writing this book was just a convenient excuse. The "research" he was doing was probably more like recreation and the research angle was a pre-fabricated excuse that this sicko had in case he was ever caught.

On Greta, Nate Karr seemed to have no idea of any past trouble that his brother may have had with LE. Sadly, I think that he is going to be shell-shocked to learn what his brother had really been up to.
remember the petersons-they didnt think their golden boy could be a murderer or even a speeder.

[newtv]

Can u believe this? he has likely been molesting children all over the place and he worked with babies for gods sake.

-Private Teacher / Caregiver (2002-03 in Western Europe) as follows:

Germany: Three girls - 7, 11, and 12: I taught English to the girls through conversational and instructional methods.
I gave computer instruction to the girls via their laptop PC's. I drove the girls to their activities: ballet, riding,
handball, etc. I assisted the girls with their homework.

Germany: Two girls - 5 and 8; boy 10: I taught English to the children through conversational and instructional
methods. I awoke the children in the morning and gave them breakfast. I helped the children get ready for school
and escorted them to the school bus. I helped the 8 year old girl with her homework each day. I took the children
outside for play. At days end, I made sure the children had their evening bath, then put them to bed and read to
them before they went to sleep.

Netherlands: Baby girl 9 months, boy 3, and girl 4: I taught English to the three year old boy and four year old girl,
through conversational and instructional methods. I was very attentive to needs of the baby which included
changing, feeding, and bathing her. I helped the baby when she learned to walk at 10 and a half months. I fostered
independence in the children's activities.

-Teacher of English (2001-2002 Asia and Western Europe) as follows:

Seoul, Korea: I was a classroom teacher of English for children aged 6 to 12. Duties included planning lessons,
conducting classes as the sole teacher in the classroom, making assignments, and issuing grades. I taught 22
classes per week. The classes were 45 minutes in duration with an average class size of 18.

Heemstede, Netherlands: I volunteered as an English teacher at an atheneum school, planning and conducting
activities revolving around English and the U.S. culture.

-Primary School Teacher (1996-2001 and Currently) in some of the most prestigious schools in the United States,
working with children from high profile families. I have taught all classes to elementary students including English,
Math, Science, Reading, Social Studies, History, and Computer Technology. I have taught Physical Education with
large groups of 100 to 150 students, ages 5 to 10. I have worked with large groups of children in school plays.

-Private English, Reading and Math Tutor (1996-2001) for elementary students ages 8 to 12 on a private basis for
an hourly rate.

-Computer Instruction (1998-1999) for children in primary school and adults in community college. Instruction for
adults including Microsoft Word, Powerpoint, and Internet, using mostly the Windows PC environment but also
including the Macintosh operating system.

[otto]

[size=3]Can u believe this? he has likely been molesting children all over the place and he worked with babies for gods sake


Very creepy. If this news has hit Europe, the families will definitely be talking with their children about now.

[wenchie]

Thanks Linaski, you lil' sweetie-pie!

Same mouth - thin upper lip, pouchy lower lip in center, jaw would show more from side view, left eyebrow facing you in newer pic has same line as right eyebrow in older pic - I think one of the pics is turned around, left to right. Plus he is squinting in the newer picture.


I see a lot of distinct similarities.

The new pic almost resembles a news reporter on TV - NBC I think, except his face is a bit wider and he is heavier.


Scandi

PS: I think this case has had a following for so many years that posters get engrained in their formulated ideas about it. It might be difficult for some posters to accept the fact Patsy didn't kill JonBenet if it is found this guy is good for the killing, as for 10 years they have been convinced she did.

I think the guy slipped into the house some time before the night he killed her and got acquainted with the home and the Ramsey's lives, discovered that little room behind the furnace room and took something Patsy had written. He studied her handwriting to duplicate it which wouldn't be too hard as he is educated and a teacher, and had the note all written when he got to the home on the night of the murder.

What gets me, he murdered her with everyone sleeping soundly who never heard a thing! The balls to do something like that is beyond me.

You think that he stole the pad & pen out of the house, used them to write the note, and then brought them back in and put the pen back in the cup and the pad back where it had been?

[mfmangel1]

From the Atlanta Journal Constitution:


http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/0817metjonbenet.html

Former Conyers man arrested in JonBenet slaying
Relative says suspect in 10-year-old case, captured in Thailand, is innocent

By CRAIG SCHNEIDER (cschneider@ajc.com)
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 08/17/06

Atlanta, was detained in Thailand on Wednesday in the slaying of 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey.
News that Karr had been arrested shocked some family members of the little blond girl, whose killing 10 years ago riveted the nation.

months of investigation. Federal officials familiar with the case, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Karr was already being held in Bangkok on unrelated sex charges.
His brother Nate Karr, speaking from their father's home in Atlanta said, "We're sure he's innocent. We heard that there's good DNA evidence. I hope they can test him as soon as possible so they can exonerate him. We're just positive he's innocent. This is ridiculous."

JonBenet Ramsey's name still summons images of her in makeup and elaborate costumes, performing in tiny-tot pageants. Few news stories in the past decade gripped people as the death of JonBenet, a child homicide that occurred during Christmastime and steamrolled into a national obsession. Strangers thronged to her grave in Marietta, filled the Internet with theories and transformed the little girl into an icon identified by just one name: JonBenet.

More at link

[otto]

You think that he stole the pad & pen out of the house, used them to write the note, and then brought them back in and put the pen back in the cup and the pad back where it had been?

I think he broke into the house when they were out and wrote the note, then waited in the basement until everyone was in bed and then murdered JonBenet. I think he had plenty of time to learn the layout of the house, find out what the bonus was, find the note pad, see what the handwriting looked like and more.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

remember the petersons-they didnt think their golden boy could be a murderer or even a speeder.Very true. I can see how that would happen. How heart-breaking for good people to find out something like this about a loved one. If he is the one, I pray that his family can somehow come to terms with it.

[JBean]

Our local news has just said they just received confirmed information from an official in Bangkok that Karr has in fact confessed. Just called it breaking news on our local channel.

[Shelayne]

Wow! This is amazing. When I heard the news I had to come check out these threads, I knew they'd be busy! It's nice to see familiar names.

Those two photos look like the same guy to me. Same eyebrows, same nose, same mouth. I think it is him and I think he is probably full of it in his resume.

Sounds as if they may have finally caught their guy. I cannot imagine that they would be flying to Thailand to bring this guy back, after having the Thailand authorities arrest him, unless they had some pretty substantial evidence. I guess we will have to wait to find out what it is.

The brother seemed positively clueless to me. He didn't know if his brother was still married, how old his kids were, or that he was in Thailand. Oh--but he DID know that his brother had been writing a book about horrendous crimes against children and had talked about JonBenet, doing all sorts of in-depth research. **shudder** He knew his brother was in some kind of trouble in CA, but didn't know what it was.

[Maybe So]

Can u believe this? he has likely been molesting children all over the place and he worked with babies for gods sake.

-Private Teacher / Caregiver (2002-03 in Western Europe) as follows:

Germany: Three girls - 7, 11, and 12: I taught English to the girls through conversational and instructional methods.
I gave computer instruction to the girls via their laptop PC's. I drove the girls to their activities: ballet, riding,
handball, etc. I assisted the girls with their homework.

Germany: Two girls - 5 and 8; boy 10: I taught English to the children through conversational and instructional
methods. I awoke the children in the morning and gave them breakfast. I helped the children get ready for school
and escorted them to the school bus. I helped the 8 year old girl with her homework each day. I took the children
outside for play. At days end, I made sure the children had their evening bath, then put them to bed and read to
them before they went to sleep.

Netherlands: Baby girl 9 months, boy 3, and girl 4: I taught English to the three year old boy and four year old girl,
through conversational and instructional methods. I was very attentive to needs of the baby which included
changing, feeding, and bathing her. I helped the baby when she learned to walk at 10 and a half months. I fostered
independence in the children's activities.

-Teacher of English (2001-2002 Asia and Western Europe) as follows:

Seoul, Korea: I was a classroom teacher of English for children aged 6 to 12. Duties included planning lessons,
conducting classes as the sole teacher in the classroom, making assignments, and issuing grades. I taught 22
classes per week. The classes were 45 minutes in duration with an average class size of 18.

Heemstede, Netherlands: I volunteered as an English teacher at an atheneum school, planning and conducting
activities revolving around English and the U.S. culture.

-Primary School Teacher (1996-2001 and Currently) in some of the most prestigious schools in the United States,
working with children from high profile families. I have taught all classes to elementary students including English,
Math, Science, Reading, Social Studies, History, and Computer Technology. I have taught Physical Education with
large groups of 100 to 150 students, ages 5 to 10. I have worked with large groups of children in school plays.

-Private English, Reading and Math Tutor (1996-2001) for elementary students ages 8 to 12 on a private basis for
an hourly rate.

-Computer Instruction (1998-1999) for children in primary school and adults in community college. Instruction for
adults including Microsoft Word, Powerpoint, and Internet, using mostly the Windows PC environment but also
including the Macintosh operating system.



hmmm something about him bathing children, putting children to bed, feeding them breakfast and reading them bedtime stories made me think of pineapple......

[otto]

Our local news has just said they just received confirmed information from an official in Bangkok that Karr has in fact confessed. Just called it breaking news on our local channel.

Wow. I preferred thinking it might be a mistake but if he's confessed, then there must be an unbelievable number of victims.

[Warof2010]

From the Atlanta Journal Constitution:


http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/0817metjonbenet.html

Former Conyers man arrested in JonBenet slaying
Relative says suspect in 10-year-old case, captured in Thailand, is innocent

By CRAIG SCHNEIDER (cschneider@ajc.com)
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 08/17/06

Atlanta, was detained in Thailand on Wednesday in the slaying of 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey.
News that Karr had been arrested shocked some family members of the little blond girl, whose killing 10 years ago riveted the nation.

months of investigation. Federal officials familiar with the case, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Karr was already being held in Bangkok on unrelated sex charges.
His brother Nate Karr, speaking from their father's home in Atlanta said, "We're sure he's innocent. We heard that there's good DNA evidence. I hope they can test him as soon as possible so they can exonerate him. We're just positive he's innocent. This is ridiculous."

JonBenet Ramsey's name still summons images of her in makeup and elaborate costumes, performing in tiny-tot pageants. Few news stories in the past decade gripped people as the death of JonBenet, a child homicide that occurred during Christmastime and steamrolled into a national obsession. Strangers thronged to her grave in Marietta, filled the Internet with theories and transformed the little girl into an icon identified by just one name: JonBenet.

More at linkJohn Karr has confessed according to the stories being released out of Bangkok

[LinasK]

I think he broke into the house when they were out and wrote the note, then waited in the basement until everyone was in bed and then murdered JonBenet. I think he had plenty of time to learn the layout of the house, find out what the bonus was, find the note pad, see what the handwriting looked like and more.
Makes no sense. :hand: That's not the M.O. of child molesters/serial killers, they don't leave ransom notes.:snooty: Why leave a ransom note if you don't even have a body to ransom???:doh: More likely the ransom note was part of the staging to cover up JB's murder.

[JBean]

Wow. I preferred thinking it might be a mistake but if he's confessed, then there must be an unbelievable number of victims.Lord only knows what the real truth is here Otto!

[otto]

hmmm something about him bathing children, putting children to bed, feeding them breakfast and reading them bedtime stories made me think of pineapple......

Pineapple ... the last meal ... you're thinking he put on a santa hat and brought her some pineapple in bed?

[JBean]

John Karr has confessed according to the stories being released out of BangkokYou must be watching the same news I am watching. They are saying it was JUST confirmed by a Bangkok official.

[LinasK]

I still think it's a false confession.

[Warof2010]

Lord only knows what the real truth is here Otto!News released by a Thai Official said John Karr has confessed, but stay tuned for any changes.

[Shelayne]

Our local news has just said they just received confirmed information from an official in Bangkok that Karr has in fact confessed. Just called it breaking news on our local channel.

WOW! So it is him after all. My heart just breaks for all the Ramseys had to go through. I believe that after Patsy was told that there was going to be an arrest she felt it was OK to let go. She died soon after.

[JBean]

I still think it's a false confession.I just don't have a clue.

[Warof2010]

You must be watching the same news I am watching. They are saying it was JUST confirmed by a Bangkok official.We can hope.

[otto]

Makes no sense. :hand: That's not the M.O. of child molesters/serial killers, they don't leave ransom notes.:snooty: Why leave a ransom note if you don't even have a body to ransom???:doh: More likely the ransom note was part of the staging to cover up JB's murder.

I don't know if it's an MO of serial killers to leave a note, but lots of them leave some kind of symbol. I think that he also knew something about the Ramsays and wanted to either frame them or torment them. If he really did send emails to the Ramsay's over the last 3-4 years describing the last moments of JonBenet's life, then he wanted to hurt the family. The ransom note is very hurtful with repeated claims that their daughter will die. It also was sufficient to cast suspicion on the family for years.

[scandi]

Imagine talking about giving the little girl a bath on his resume! Thanks New, and here's a big Kram for you as it has been way to long!

Hi Otto! Good to see you here. I think you are right on.

Hi Wenchie, It fits for me as a little theory. LOL He could have gone into the home when all were gone, staking out the house plan, planning what he would do and where in the house, saw the check or letter about it which named the amount, took soimething Patsy had written, took paper and pen and then replaced them the night of the murder. He was very cunning, for one thing to write a ransom note to throw off police, as she was definately dead and had been for awhile when they discovered her body. He was probably practiced at deceit with all the foolin around he had done with other kids.

Yes, just like Scott P who thought everything out beforehand with the boat, I think this guy did the same here, and then carried out his plan.

Where he messed up could be with the paint brush, which he used to twist the garotte, and I think he cut his finger which left that spot of blood in her panties. I'm sure he was all over her!~


Sandi

[fivekidz4me]

www.usatoday http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-08-16-ramsey_x.htm?csp=34

DENVER — A former schoolteacher was arrested Wednesday in Thailand in the slaying of 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenét Ramsey, a sensational murder case that frustrated police for nearly a decade.
The suspect was identified as John Mark Karr, 42, by Lin Wood, the Ramsey family attorney, as well as a law enforcement official familiar with the case who asked not to be identified because he is not authorized to discuss the case.

A source close to the investigation told the Associated Press that Karr had confessed to elements of the crime. But a senior Thai police official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to speak with reporters, said Karr denied any connection to her murder when he was arrested at his downtown Bangkok apartment Wednesday.

Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul said Karr was being held pending the arrival of American officials, who were expected to escort Karr back to the United States in the next few days.

Another police official echoed Karr's denial.

"When we informed him that he has been accused of committing a crime at home he denied all accusations. It is normal for a suspect to deny the charges," said a senior police officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to speak to the media.

Wood said Karr is a schoolteacher who once lived in Conyers, Ga., outside Atlanta. The Ramseys lived in the Atlanta suburb of Dunwoody for several years before moving to Colorado in 1991.

Wood declined to discuss whether Karr and the Ramseys had a previous relationship.

[mfmangel1]

We can hope.
Exactly! I am hoping and praying that this is the sick jerk!

[otto]

Imagine talking about giving the little girl a bath on his resume!
Sandi

It's one thing to discuss job position duties, but that is over the top ... almost as if to suggest that he should be trusted bathing children. Very strange.

[Warof2010]

Thai police: Man admits killing Ramsey

1 minute ago


BANGKOK, Thailand - An American suspect arrested in Bangkok has admitted to killing 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey, the head of Thailand immigration police said Thursday, a surprise breakthrough in a lurid, decade-old murder mystery that had cast a cloud of suspicion over her parents.

John Mark Karr, 41, admitted to the killing after he was arrested at his downtown Bangkok apartment Wednesday night, Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul told The Associated Press.

Suwat said Karr arrived in Bangkok on June 6 from Malaysia to look for a teaching job. It was not clear whether he got a teaching position, the police officer said.

Karr's visa has been revoked as an "undesirable person" given the accusations against him, and U.S. authorities were expected to take him to the United States in the next few days, Suwat said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_as/thailand_jonbenet_ramsey

[LinasK]

The ransom note is very hurtful with repeated claims that their daughter will die. It also was sufficient to cast suspicion on the family for years.
That is a common theme of ransom notes, so were many of the phrases in it from action movies or novels. We've discussed this on other threads here.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

MSNBC is now also reporting it as breaking news that he has admitted to the murder after being arrested in Bangkok.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

deseretnews.com | Finally, an arrest: Ex-teacher in custody in JonBenet Ramsey case (http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,645193760,00.html)

... According to the Denver Post, Karr was arrested in 2001 in California for five counts of child pornography, said Sgt. Rob Giordano, spokesman for the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department. When he finally was released on bond, he disappeared and was convicted in absentia. California state records show a John Mark Karr lost his teaching credential in 2002.

Karr's father, Wexford Karr, 85, of Atlanta, told the Post that he didn't know of his son being arrested on any previous criminal charges. But Colorado authorities said Karr has an extensive criminal record for sexual assaults across the South...

[Shelayne]

scandi, that is what I think as well. That whole ransom note bothered me from the beginning. The Ramseys were supposed to be so cunning as to stage an elaborate torture scene with their daughter, complete with garrote, but became total morons leaving a three-page, rambling, ridiculous ransom note that would directly point to them--not to mention the practice note? It never added up for me.

I think that he did, perhaps, intend to take the child, but something went wrong and he, either couldn't get her out the way he planned, or he got too excited and killed her before he had planned.

Hopefully he provided that kind of detail in his confession.

[scandi]

Linask, I think he copied Patsy's handwriting to make it look like she was involved some way in the murder and throw the police off track, which it certainly did. They focused so much on her they hardly looked at others, in fact I read here today that Boulder police had talked to him early in the case.

Patsy's handwriting wasn't that unusual, in fact it was very close to John's handwriting. Maybe he was trying to duplicate John's handwriting, as he certainly made a slur about John in the note, right? Just turned out his copy of the writing ended up looking more like Patsy's than John's.

Yes, he has made a full confession they are saying now on MSNBC. Hope it is all legal and perfect and will withstand any brilliant thoughts by his future defense attorney!~

They said JonBenet had evidence of previous sexual aveice, and am wondering how that fits into all of this. Could he have made sexual plays with her before and made her promise not to tell, preparing her for a new kind of beauty pageant?


Scandi

[scandi]

We need a transcript of Scarborough Country. They have the handwriting expert on that studied the handwriting in the note. Forensics stated Patsy didn't write the note, but she was never eliminated. The note was written in the house and not brought in. Gee. wonder how they know that?

:doh: Scandi

[Maybe So]

Pineapple ... the last meal ... you're thinking he put on a santa hat and brought her some pineapple in bed?

I have no clue, it just made me picture him being at ease with handling a child calming them and giving them a snack. If an intruder murdered JBR then he must have been good enough with kids to get JBR to eat pinapple and lure her to the basement without too much of a fuss.

I certainly don't know at this point if this arrest means anything at all.

If he is truly the killer then he will have all the answers to the mysteries that surround this case...so I hope this is him....but I don't feel very confident yet.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

ABC News: Thai Police: Man Admits Killing Ramsey (http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=2323141)

[LinasK]

Linask, I think he copied Patsy's handwriting to make it look like she was involved some way in the murder and throw the police off track, which it certainly did. They focused so much on her they hardly looked at others, in fact I read here today that Boulder police had talked to him early in the case.

Patsy's handwriting wasn't that unusual, in fact it was very close to John's handwriting.


Scandi
Scandi, and yet John was able to be excluded as the writer of the note, Patsy was not. My mother-in-law dabbles in handwriting analysis and has told me of certain distinctive features they look for. Some criminals exhibit what they call a "criminal's claw" in their writing.

Also, it doesn't explain the Ramsey's immediately lawyering up, not taking a poly for 4 months, and high-tailing it out of town on the day their daughter was discovered murdered. I also want to know why John carried JB up the stairs- I think it was to contaminate evidence.

I think this is a false confession, no matter how many times it's posted that he confessed.

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

ABC News: Man arrested in JonBenet murder (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2323175)

... He was arrested on an American warrant, which sought his arrest for murder, kidnapping and sexual assault of a child, along with FBI officers after being followed for three weeks as he sought a job teaching English in Bangkok.

"We arrested him yesterday at an apartment not far from my office after having followed him for 21 days," immigration police chief Lieutenant General Suwat Tumroungsiskul told Reuters...

U.S. media said Karr was a 41-year-old primary schoolteacher who had lived in JonBenet's hometown of Boulder, Colorado at the time of murder...

... a police officer said the American had just been hired by one of Bangkok's dozens of international schools.

The revocation gave him the status of a "person who could pose a threat to the society" under Thai law.

"People like him are dangerous. We have criminals from all over the world running away from their home countries to look for teaching jobs in Thailand," Suwat said...

[Shelayne]

"People like him are dangerous. We have criminals from all over the world running away from their home countries to look for teaching jobs in Thailand," Suwat said...

**shudder**

[ragland]

i just read EVERY post in this thread right before i lay down with my own babies...yall have me now officially creeped out *thanks*, im looking in closets, peeping out windows, looking over my shoulder! lol. seriously though, its made me a lil less cozy feeling in my own home, i pray that everyone holds their kids a lil tighter, a lil longer, and God will protect them from the evil that is obviously out there on a daily basis!

[Details]

The brother seemed positively clueless to me. He didn't know if his brother was still married, how old his kids were, or that he was in Thailand. Oh--but he DID know that his brother had been writing a book about horrendous crimes against children and had talked about JonBenet, doing all sorts of in-depth research. **shudder** He knew his brother was in some kind of trouble in CA, but didn't know what it was.The brother sounds like he has only talked to his brother when his brother played off varying excuses for whatever pedophile behavior he had just been caught in. That's all he knows about his brother's life.

[MistyM]

i seem to remember a famous musician getting into trouble for 'researching' child pornography on the net. hmmm... sounds like a good excuse to pass off to family for when you get caught. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/loser.gif

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

KTVU.com - News - Thai Police Chief Says Suspect Karr Has Admitted To Killing (http://www.ktvu.com/news/9692803/detail.html)

... At the press conference, Suwat said that Karr insisted after his arrest that his crime was not first-degree murder. "He said it was second-degree murder. He said it was unintentional. He said he was in love with the child. She was a pageant queen," Suwat said.

The Thai officer quoted the suspect as saying he tried to kidnap JonBenet for a $118,000 ransom but that his plan went awry and he strangled her to death...

[txsvicki]

i just read EVERY post in this thread right before i lay down with my own babies...yall have me now officially creeped out *thanks*, im looking in closets, peeping out windows, looking over my shoulder! lol. seriously though, its made me a lil less cozy feeling in my own home, i pray that everyone holds their kids a lil tighter, a lil longer, and God will protect them from the evil that is obviously out there on a daily basis!


Well, I just smelled cigarette smoke coming through my window A/C unit. I'm afraid there is a window peeper but hopefully it's my neighbor even though I don't think the smoke would smell that fresh and up close at 2:30 am. My husband isn't concerned though. I think this has been posted already but wanted to mention it again since the thread is so long. Morgan Nick was missing in 1995 from Arkansas, age 6. The sketch of the suspect sure looks like Karr.

http://www.morgannick.com/composite.html

[Shelayne]

Wow, it really does.

[MistyM]

omg. the hair and the nose. and the thinness of the face.

http://www.morgannick.com/composite.html

[julianne]

WOW.....{shudder} there IS a striking resemblance!!!!!!

Someone wrote that there is 2 counts of murder being leveled against him? Did they report that, or am I just going crazy? How does the OTHER count of murder factor into this?

[Shelayne]

First degree murder and first degree felony murder. Is this the same as Capital murder maybe?

[Jayelles]

This is how it's being reported in the UK:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4800851.stm

Quotes Karr as saying:-

John Mark Karr, 41, told reporters: "I was with JonBenet when she died. Her death was an accident."

[Jayelles]

There has been so much information leaked in this case that it's going to be a nightmare for investigators to work out what is truth and what might have been picked up from reading about the case on the Internet.
This guy has GOT to have been on the forums.

[newtv]

There has been so much information leaked in this case that it's going to be a nightmare for investigators to work out what is truth and what might have been picked up from reading about the case on the Internet.
This guy has GOT to have been on the forums.
yeah but if he confesses there wont need to be a big to do..they will have to verify that he did in fact do it but thats it..It wont matter what was leaked-that would become necessary if he recants this public confession.

[Jayelles]

yeah but if he confesses there wont need to be a big to do..they will have to verify that he did in fact do it but thats it..It wont matter what was leaked-that would become necessary if he recants this public confession.
People don't just get convicted on a confession - a case still has to be built against them. Any detective will tell you that every time there is a high profile murder - a whole bunch of confessors creep out of the woodwork.

The DNA being a match has not been confirmed - maybe that will happen at the press conference this afternoon.

If this guy has been arrested on the basis that he is revealing evidene about the acse which hasn't been made public - I'd like to be assured he didn't get that from Michael Tracey. I don't trust Tracey.

[newtv]

People don't just get convicted on a confession - a case still has to be built against them. Any detective will tell you that every time there is a high profile murder - a whole bunch of confessors creep out of the woodwork.

The DNA being a match has not been confirmed - maybe that will happen at the press conference this afternoon.

If this guy has been arrested on the basis that he is revealing evidene about the acse which hasn't been made public - I'd like to be assured he didn't get that from Michael Tracey. I don't trust Tracey.
i said the same thing-they have to verify it-what is the problem with it?
If he confesses and the dna is contaminated it wont matter-what would matter is his story proving to be accurate..thats what will determine his guilt or innocence-I said it might be a false confession-but if it isnt that will be alot easier to work thru than if he said he is falsely accused-that is when they have to work harder at proving it.

[Biz]

what if Patsy was lonely, met this guy through an Internet chat site and he became obsessed with her. She tried to get him to stop, and he killed JonBenet to get back at her? Or maybe he saw JonBenet, thought she was beautiful and so befriended Patsy to get closer to JonBenet?With all of the criticism that Patsy has endured through the past ten years....first losing her beautiful daughter in such a horrific manner...then being a suspect.....I can't imagine the pain that woman endured. If you remember many forum writers also criticized the Ramseys, saying they weren't trying very hard to find the killer....MAYBE THAT IS HOW PATSY CAME TO EMAIL THIS CHARACTER....SHE HAD BEEN DOING HER OWN INVESTIGATING ON PORN SIGHTS AND SUCH. Maybe he just emailed her to taunt her further. Who knows? I don't see how any mother wouldn't spend their last days alive trying to find the killer.

[UKGuy]

People don't just get convicted on a confession - a case still has to be built against them. Any detective will tell you that every time there is a high profile murder - a whole bunch of confessors creep out of the woodwork.

The DNA being a match has not been confirmed - maybe that will happen at the press conference this afternoon.

If this guy has been arrested on the basis that he is revealing evidene about the acse which hasn't been made public - I'd like to be assured he didn't get that from Michael Tracey. I don't trust Tracey.

Jayelles,


If this guy has been arrested on the basis that he is revealing evidene about the acse which hasn't been made public


I've always thought there was unrevealed evidence because the autopsy details although consistent and professional dont add up, particularly where Coroner Meyer states cause of death to be asphyxiation and associated stuff, but elsewhere its ligature strangulation, and there is patent physical evidence of a more extensive strangulation beneath the ligature cord. There may be unrevealed details regarding her sexual assault, which would explain why we have a hard time making the evidence fit?


If they have dna evidence, then there may be no trial, just pleading appearances.

If there is no hard evidence just his confession, and lots of circumstanial possibilities then a showcase trial is on the cards.





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[Jayelles]

Jayelles,



I've always thought there was unrevealed evidence because the autopsy details although consistent and professional dont add up, particularly where Coroner Meyer states cause of death to be asphyxiation and associated stuff, but elsewhere its ligature strangulation, and there is patent physical evidence of a more extensive strangulation beneath the ligature cord. There may be unrevealed details regarding her sexual assault, which would explain why we have a hard time making the evidence fit?


If they have dna evidence, then there may be no trial, just pleading appearances.

If there is no hard evidence just his confession, and lots of circumstanial possibilities then a showcase trial is on the cards.





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Asphyxiation covers strangulation AND suffocation. I think it refers to deaths where breathing has been cut off. Not sure if drowning is included in that too.

[Biz]

I think this is going to prove a wild goose chase, of sorts. I think the guy is a pedo krank who wanted to take credit for a bigger, more famous crime than merely molesting elementary school students and having kiddie porn on his computer. By claiming to be JBR's killer, that will keep him outof GP and in PC forever.I believe that law enforcement realizes what a huge case this is.....very similar to BTK. They aren't going to expose someone without thoroughly checking them out. They even check his DNA first. He also reveled information about the crime that no one else knew. I believe they have their man. I just wonder if others were involved and if it was anyone we knew of. Many of us believed that this character would be caught through internet porn or by doing it again. (I certainly hope that isn't the case) He looks like such a little wimp....as others have noted....weird and detached. I think this name has thrown all of us for a loop though. There are so many suspects and when you read their history and profile, you tend to say 'that's the one". Turns out it wasn't anyone any of us had heard about or suspected. Astonishing.
On another note, if he is a school teacher and he wrote the RN.....he certainly lacks qualifications...misspelling simple words like "businesss". I am also surprised about his line of work.(although I am not surprised that he managed to work with children). I was also very surprised to hear that he was married with children...what a sick pervert monster.
If he is taking female hormone as someone mentioned (noting the eye liner and larger breast than you would expect on someon of his size) then maybe that is why there wasn't any seman. He was fantacizing but he was too feminine to ejaculate. Saying he was feminine reminds me of another suspect said to be the same: Santa Bill. He was also a school teacher and into porn. Perhaps they worked together on this somehow. He has always been at the top of my suspect list.

[Peter Hamilton]

agree that he certainly looks and acts feminine--but of course wimps can still be killers--Joel Rifkin killed 17 people,but fellow high-schoolers remembered him as nerdy and hey called him the turtle--Therewas a serialkiller in Alaska who killed ten women,and he was extremely nerdy--The gay serial killer Braunmeister was also quite wimpy and feminine

[poco]

I guess they DNA will tell all - but doesn't that take a few weeks/months??? Also, seems I read that there was something found in her panties, as well as a few blood splatters found somewhere.

Call me confused, but from what I have read so far he reportedly was just going to kidnap her and things went array. So, then he sat down and took God knows how long to write a ransom note???? I would think he would be freaking and rush out of the house - why the ransom note if she is dead?

OR, did he take time to write the note BEFORE HE WOKE her FED her
pineapple and KILLED her???? Any why $118,000 - why not $107,398.23???? That seems like such an odd amount - $100,00 maybe, $125,000, $200,000, but $118,000?

Seems like if you were going to kidnap someone you would want to be in and out of there as FAST AS POSSIBLE!!! Red flags on this are going up everywhere for me.

Someone mentioned a press conference today - anyone know the time?

I think there is definitely more to this than meets the eye......

[newtv]

agree that he certainly looks and acts feminine--but of course wimps can still be killers--Joel Rifkin killed 17 people,but fellow high-schoolers remembered him as nerdy and hey called him the turtle--Therewas a serialkiller in Alaska who killed ten women,and he was extremely nerdy--The gay serial killer Braunmeister was also quite wimpy and feminine
come on-u are really stretching it-if u had just said wimp thats one thing..all killers are wimps in character..but dont bring the gay thing in as if it explains anything-even if he is effeminate men are not wimps by that alone nor are they gay by that alone..and then gay and wimp are also not connected.

[newtv]

I guess they DNA will tell all - but doesn't that take a few weeks/months??? Also, seems I read that there was something found in her panties, as well as a few blood splatters found somewhere.

Call me confused, but from what I have read so far he reportedly was just going to kidnap her and things went array. So, then he sat down and took God knows how long to write a ransom note???? I would think he would be freaking and rush out of the house - why the ransom note if she is dead?

OR, did he take time to write the note BEFORE HE WOKE her FED her
pineapple and KILLED her???? Any why $118,000 - why not $107,398.23???? That seems like such an odd amount - $100,00 maybe, $125,000, $200,000, but $118,000?

Seems like if you were going to kidnap someone you would want to be in and out of there as FAST AS POSSIBLE!!! Red flags on this are going up everywhere for me.

Someone mentioned a press conference today - anyone know the time?

I think there is definitely more to this than meets the eye......
he may have been in the house for hours waiting for them to come home-he could have written the note while waiting..he could have been inthe house on a prior occassion and taken the notepad..part of a cover up for him-what better thing to do then make it look like its the parents.

[Maybe So]

Scandi, and yet John was able to be excluded as the writer of the note, Patsy was not. My mother-in-law dabbles in handwriting analysis and has told me of certain distinctive features they look for. Some criminals exhibit what they call a "criminal's claw" in their writing.

Also, it doesn't explain the Ramsey's immediately lawyering up, not taking a poly for 4 months, and high-tailing it out of town on the day their daughter was discovered murdered. I also want to know why John carried JB up the stairs- I think it was to contaminate evidence.

I think this is a false confession, no matter how many times it's posted that he confessed.

Good lord if I found my child dead on my basement floor ...keeping the crime scene uncontaminated would be the last thing on my mind. I would go to them and right or wrong I believe I would pick them up....if nothing else first impulse would be hoping they were still alive and could be saved.

I could just hear what people would have said if John Ramsey had left her in the basement and came upstairs or stayed where he was and called for help...that he cared for her so little he left her lying there on the basement floor. sheesh.

I would not take a polygraph either and I would get a lawyer if I was innocent and being accused of the murder of my own child.

[Jayelles]

agree that he certainly looks and acts feminine--but of course wimps can still be killers--Joel Rifkin killed 17 people,but fellow high-schoolers remembered him as nerdy and hey called him the turtle--Therewas a serialkiller in Alaska who killed ten women,and he was extremely nerdy--The gay serial killer Braunmeister was also quite wimpy and feminine
Dennis Nilson was a serial killer of men and he was described as wimpy. Sometimes they harbour deep resentment and anger.

[Jayelles]

Good lord if I found my child dead on my basement floor ...keeping the crime scene uncontaminated would be the last thing on my mind. I would go to them and right or wrong I believe I would pick them up....if nothing else first impulse would be hoping they were still alive and could be saved.

I could just hear what people would have said if John Ramsey had left her in the basement and came upstairs or stayed where he was and called for help...that he cared for her so little he left her lying there on the basement floor. sheesh.

I would not take a polygraph either and I would get a lawyer if I was innocent and being accused of the murder of my own child.Yes - I would get a lawyer...but I wouldn't refuse to answer police questions. I would just take my lawyer in with me. Then again, this is the UK. If I refused to be interviewed by police, they would arrest me for obstruction of justice.

[Peter Hamilton]

I would never refuse a lie-detector test,even in the Ramsey's circumstances--I would have done exactly what Polly Klaas's father did--Okay,hook me up,take my blood,my DNA,take my fingerprints--do anything you want--I would never have acted like the Ramseys did--never

[poco]

he may have been in the house for hours waiting for them to come home-he could have written the note while waiting..he could have been inthe house on a prior occassion and taken the notepad..part of a cover up for him-what better thing to do then make it look like its the parents.

True.....

Okay, I think I've read where he is a "child molester" - is this his MO????
Or is JBR the only one he planned to kidnap and hold for ransom????

[SchnauzerMom]

The DNA being a match has not been confirmed - maybe that will happen at the press conference this afternoon.

How long does it actually take to process a DNA match? I doubt it's like on tv where they swab your mouth and have an answer in 5 minutes..

I found out last night that Karr quit a student teaching job at the elementary school I attended in Alabama due to being questioned about possible inappropriate behavior with students.
http://www.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060816/BREAKING/60816005
This was 3 years after the murder (and many years after I was there). "Student teachers" are university students who are working towards a degree in education.

[newtv]

True.....

Okay, I think I've read where he is a "child molester" - is this his MO????
Or is JBR the only one he planned to kidnap and hold for ransom????
i think the charge is child porn over the net..he fled from the arrest once released from jail.
but there was no pornography on the ramseys computer..all i am saying is look at it logically-he is more likley a candidate for wht happened than the ramseys who have no criminal background -before - during or after.
He on the other hand went from possibly killing her to porn on the net and then fled the charges..he is more a criminal then the ramseys based on fact.

[newtv]

I would never refuse a lie-detector test,even in the Ramsey's circumstances--I would have done exactly what Polly Klaas's father did--Okay,hook me up,take my blood,my DNA,take my fingerprints--do anything you want--I would never have acted like the Ramseys did--never
so would I, meaning i would take one but thats not enuf to convict them..(in a court)..and after that its opinion which we are all entitled to.
John Walsh thinks they are innocent and i have alot of respect for him.

[poco]

i think the charge is child porn over the net..he fled from the arrest once released from jail.
but there was no pornography on the ramseys computer..all i am saying is look at it logically-he is more likley a candidate for wht happened than the ramseys who have no criminal background -before - during or after.
He on the other hand went from possibly killing her to porn on the net and then fled the charges..he is more a criminal then the ramseys based on fact.

I am trying to look at it logically, thus all the questions, etc. Still, though, my hinky meter is all over the place!

I think I heard the PC is at noon - ET... Now, does anyone know who long it would take to get a DNA match?????

[kwatson696]

i think the charge is child porn over the net..he fled from the arrest once released from jail.
but there was no pornography on the ramseys computer..all i am saying is look at it logically-he is more likley a candidate for wht happened than the ramseys who have no criminal background -before - during or after.
He on the other hand went from possibly killing her to porn on the net and then fled the charges..he is more a criminal then the ramseys based on fact.

I so agree with you Newtv....I never thought John or Patsy were guilty....no matter how much I read I could not beleive they did this.....As for the Ransom note, I can't explain that, The amount.....etc......I have tried to think how this guy John Karr would know what to put in the ranson note....Hmmmmmmm.
"This is my opinion ...."

[newtv]

How long does it actually take to process a DNA match? I doubt it's like on tv where they swab your mouth and have an answer in 5 minutes..

I found out last night that Karr quit a student teaching job at the elementary school I attended in Alabama due to being questioned about possible inappropriate behavior with students.
http://www.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060816/BREAKING/60816005
This was 3 years after the murder (and many years after I was there). "Student teachers" are university students who are working towards a degree in education.
it would depend
in this case it might not be long cuz they have a dna workup--and then its a matter of getting his..one part of it is done already-the JB side.
he may also have one on file that just needs to be compared or has laready been compared..if he was charged with a sex crime maybe he already has a profile.

[MagicRose99]

I would never refuse a lie-detector test,even in the Ramsey's circumstances--I would have done exactly what Polly Klaas's father did--Okay,hook me up,take my blood,my DNA,take my fingerprints--do anything you want--I would never have acted like the Ramseys did--never
Though I don't believe the Ramsey's guilty for any of this, I DO blame them for hindering the investigation. You are absolutely right in what you say... IF the Ramsey's had been more cooperative in order to be eliminated quicker, they may have found Jon Benet's killer much, much sooner!

[newtv]

I am trying to look at it logically, thus all the questions, etc. Still, though, my hinky meter is all over the place!

I think I heard the PC is at noon - ET... Now, does anyone know who long it would take to get a DNA match?????
i wasnt suggesting u were not looking at it logicaly-its kind of a rhetorical statement I am making to myself.

[narlacat]

So what did they have to hide if they didn't kill their daughter?

[newtv]

Though I don't believe the Ramsey's guilty for any of this, I DO blame them for hindering the investigation. You are absolutely right in what you say... IF the Ramsey's had been more cooperative in order to be eliminated quicker, they may have found Jon Benet's killer much, much sooner!
I think thats where their social status showed..I really dont think they thot they should be under suspicion -but I think they were used to having things on their terms..I think they behaved in a way people do who have not been humiliated much..money can buy u alot of obedience.
Anyhow-I think they were perplexed and then indignant and then lawyered up out of fear-not becuause they did it but because they knew they didnt and they were not used to being treated as suspects. They may have taken an, "do not even go there -do not even waste your time on that-we know and u shud believe us"' stance.
I truly think it was an upperclass thing they showed-not avoidance to cover up a crime.

[newtv]

So what did they have to hide if they didn't kill their daughter?nothing and they didnt think they should have to prove they were not hiding somethng..remember their daughter was dead..unlike Mark Klass who wanted to be eliminated so a search could begin - they may simply not have even understood why they were being harrassed to prove this and that and the next thing.
and there was alot of ego flying around that police department-a lawyer told them that they should not subject themselves to certain things because it looked like LE had fingered them.

[christine2448]

I am trying to look at it logically, thus all the questions, etc. Still, though, my hinky meter is all over the place!


Me too.....so many questions! One thought I am having...maybe the Ramsey's found her, FREAKED, and thought they would be accused...did the ransom note to cover their butts?

[poco]

Me too.....so many questions! One thought I am having...maybe the Ramsey's found her, FREAKED, and thought they would be accused...did the ransom note to cover their butts?


Personally, I can't see them doing that.

If I found my child dead in the basement, the first thing I would do would be to pick her/him up and scream at the top of my lungs - yes, I would destroy valuable crime scene evidence - but I wouldn't be thinking clearly at that time.

Then I would have called the police - ransom note or no ransom note - I wouldn't even think I was a possible suspect. I would be freaking....

[christine2448]

Personally, I can't see them doing that.

If I found my child dead in the basement, the first thing I would do would be to pick her/him up and scream at the top of my lungs - yes, I would destroy valuable crime scene evidence - but I wouldn't be thinking clearly at that time.

Then I would have called the police - ransom note or no ransom note - I wouldn't even think I was a possible suspect. I would be freaking....Well, me too....I would react the same way....it was just a thought because the note is the only thing that has kept me on the fence all these years.

[TexMex]

"I was with JonBenet when she died," suspect John Mark Karr, 41, told reporters Thursday in Bangkok. "I loved JonBenet, and she died accidentally."

Asked by a reporter if he was an innocent man, Karr replied, "No."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/17/ramsey.arrest/index.html

[Beyond Belief]

What is th news talking about? They just said that Karr was with JonBenet when she died, it was an accident, he loved her.

What kind of crazy reports are these?

[christine2448]

What is th news talking about? They just said that Karr was with JonBenet when she died, it was an accident, he loved her.

What kind of crazy reports are these?
Those were his exact words, live on camera! He said I LOVE (not loved) Jon Benet, it was an accident. A reporter asked "are you innocent?" He said "no". I saw it, he said it...don't know if he is lying, but I saw it. HE is one creepoid!

[TexMex]

Yes, he "accidentally" twisted a rope around her neck and bashed a little girl over the head. He's a sexual predator.

Denverpost

An official with the Colorado Bureau of Investigation said that Karr, a former teacher in California, already has a criminal record of sex offenses in Southern states near his former homes in Alabama and Georgia.

[michelle]

Good lord if I found my child dead on my basement floor ...keeping the crime scene uncontaminated would be the last thing on my mind. I would go to them and right or wrong I believe I would pick them up....if nothing else first impulse would be hoping they were still alive and could be saved.

. That is the first thing my dad said to me when this murder happened. I was 21 and I remember talking about how the ramseys contaminated the scene, and my dad was like "wait till you have babies and if something happens and you see them laying on the floor you will run to them and pick them right up". I have a baby now and that is exactly what I would do.

[Jayelles]

I wonder if Karr drove a vehicle which fits the description of the vehicle John Ramsey allegedly saw? (The one he thought was suspicious, but didn't see fit to mention to police).

[TexMex]

Suwat said U.S. authorities informed Thai police on Aug. 11 that an arrest warrant had been issued for Karr on charges of premeditated murder. The warrant was sent to Thai police on Wednesday, the day he was picked up in Bangkok.

At the press conference, Suwat said that Karr insisted after his arrest that his crime was not first-degree murder. "He said it was second-degree murder. He said it was unintentional. He said he was in love with the child. She was a pageant queen," Suwat said.

The Thai officer quoted the suspect as saying he tried to kidnap JonBenet for a $118,000 ransom but that his plan went awry and he strangled her to death.

Hurst said Karr has been "very cooperative" with authorities and that he's shown a "variety of emotions." She said he has been a suspect "for a while" but wouldn't specify how long.

Karr has been in Thailand four times over the past two years, police said.

Police said he was living in a dormitory-style hotel called The Blooms in a neighborhood of massage parlors and travel agents that cater to expatriate residents and offer sex tours.

http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/county_news/article/0,1713,BDC_2423_4923469,00.html

[michelle]

So Karr is saying it was "an accident" How in the heck is what happened to her an accident? This is crazy!

[close_enough]

just heard on ABC that one report is that Karr was asked about the details of JBR's death...Karr replied "it would take hours" to explain....