Is Karr the guy?

[Beyond Belief]

Is Karr the guy?

[luvbeaches]

I don't think he is...but I have no way of knowing this for sure. Something isn't adding up with this guy.

[Beyond Belief]

Read The Powerwurks... Thread, Its Most Informative.

[sharkeyes]

I doubt it. Look at him - he is mugging for the camera, this guy would have confessed to killing JFK and Lincoln if he thought it would get him on TV. Every time I see him I think of Anthony Perkins in "Psycho."

[H0NEYWEST]

Nope. I think Karr is a nut who became obsessed with JBR after her death.

[dragonfly707]

I am not afraid to say that I simply do not know if he is or not. Do I think he is capable of committing this crime? I most certainly do! Do I think he fits the type of profile of someone who would do this? Yes most assuredly!

I have problems with what I saw on the television during his questions in front of the camera. My current type of employment places me one on one with people always trying to deduce whether or not the person in front of me is being straightforward or hiding something. There is more to this guy than the simple "confession" we saw in front of the cameras, I just do not know what the more is at this time.

And I myself want to know more. I want to know, is there anything that places him in Colorado at the time of the crime? Is there DNA, and if so is there a match to him? Did he ever have any contact with any of the Ramseys prior to the murder? What does his handwriting look like and how does that compare to the ransom note? Did he live anywhere at all where another child was killed or went missing during the time that he was there?

I need a lot of the above answers before I am willing to think that this guy is anything other than a pedophile with a huge case of narcissism.

[KOOL LOOK]

He has nothing to do with Jon Benet's case.
He is a sick criminally physical and mental minded person who harms children and needs to be kept supervised at all times, away from children. Given no access to any computers, cameras, etc... just a Bible, food, clothing and shelter owned and operated by the government to protect mankind.

[LaMer]

Clueless! Not enough is known about JC in connection or connecting him to JBR's murder. "More wait!"

I think, he was desperate to get out of Bangkok once approached by LE there! He looked petrified! He might have confessed to anything to take leave of there. Like a deer caught in headlights!

Also some of his answers were off the mark. Was this done intentionally, is he laughing at LE? :confused:

[LaMer]

Read The Powerwurks... Thread, Its Most Informative.

Thanks Beyond Belief. :)

[Vet4Bush]

Handwriting on ransom note and his known writings are very similar.

[Linda7NJ]

Handwriting on ransom note and his known writings are very similar.
Source of that info?

[philamena]

I don't think so. Karr didn't have his facts straight. He couldn't have picked JBR up from school December 26, school was closed that day.:loser:
He said he drugged JBR and raped her. Dr. Wecht today said that JBR was not drugged, as per her autopsy report and she had not been raped.

[dragonfly707]

I doubt it. Look at him - he is mugging for the camera, this guy would have confessed to killing JFK and Lincoln if he thought it would get him on TV. Every time I see him I think of Anthony Perkins in "Psycho."

You know this may be very close to the truth. I predict that no matter what any defense attorney tell this guy, he will start talking when he gets here and the media contact him. He really seems to want to talk to the people with cameras.

[Trino]

Karr appears to be a person with mental problems. H may have become so obsessed with JB's case that it's possible he convinced himself that he did this. Didn't he exchange emails with Tracey for several years?

[wenchie]

I think this was all cleverly connived by the Ramsey team and friends:


1. Leak out the info about Karr as if it were ipso facto that he's guilty, and
turn it into a 24-hour media feeding frenzy.

2. All of the talking heads are now slobbering all over themselves to apologize
to the Ramseys for ever doubting them.

3. Within a few days, Karr will be cleared (they know this), but no one's going
to take back their apology.

4. The Ramseys get all kinds of public apologies, the media is now touchy
about saying anything negative about them at all, John get to be a hero
by asking us to not do to Karr what was done to the Ramseys, Michael
Tracy gets a ton of free publicity for his next pro-Ramsey documentary.



I hope it backfires like h*** on them.

[justice2]

Some of his actions toward the cameras reminds of Lee Harvey Oswald.

[luvbeaches]

Handwriting on ransom note and his known writings are very similar.

Could you point me in that direction? I've not seen that yet. :)

[shana]

I've tried keeping-up on the threads but haven't been entirely successful; therefore, I don't know if the quote below has been posted/discussed. Thought this was a good spot to put it, w/ apologies if it's elsewhere already:

John Karr had disappeared after his release from jail in 2001. Karr, who relatives said had long spoken of a fascination with the Ramsey case, told his father at the time that he was being held for investigation of murdering the girl.

Source (http://www.denverpost.com/portlet/article/html/fragments/print_article.jsp?article=4192717)

Aha, a record of having 'confessed' to this crime years ago...quite telling, IMO, if it's true.

[Pinkhammer]

That's an out and out lie about Karr's handwriting being a match. He communicated by email with Tracey, not by pen and paper. No one has seen his handwriting yet.


Where do these trolls come from? Do they think we all just fell out of the banana tree?

[Amster]

Could you point me in that direction? I've not seen that yet. :)
Fox News showed a sample of his writing in a high school yearbook.....I couldn't see it that clearly.....

[Amster]

That's an out and out lie about Karr's handwriting being a match. He communicated by email with Tracey, not by pen and paper. No one has seen his handwriting yet.


Where do these trolls come from? Do they think we all just fell out of the banana tree?
As I just posted, Fox News showed a sample of his handwriting.......from a high school yearbook.....was difficult to see, actually.

[kazzbar]

I have spent the last 24 hrs watching every thing on this guy and reading forums etc. I am obssessed but I swing from thinking they have the right one to absolutely feeling horrified that they do not. The guy is very odd but I feel something is not right about it all. He is just so effeminate in his manner, he reminds me of the killer in Silence of the Lambs.Kind of Gay. Before anyone gives me grief about this ,I just want to say that I am not a Gay basher as I like gay people.I just think he is measu=red in his response and his answers to questions are wierd. who knows only time will tell. Apparently he drove a DeLorean sports car in his younger years and was always thought of by his peers as a "loner'.

[Amster]

I've tried keeping-up on the threads but haven't been entirely successful; therefore, I don't know if the quote below has been posted/discussed. Thought this was a good spot to put it, w/ apologies if it's elsewhere already:

John Karr had disappeared after his release from jail in 2001. Karr, who relatives said had long spoken of a fascination with the Ramsey case, told his father at the time that he was being held for investigation of murdering the girl.

Source (http://www.denverpost.com/portlet/article/html/fragments/print_article.jsp?article=4192717)

Aha, a record of having 'confessed' to this crime years ago...quite telling, IMO, if it's true.
Sounds like an obsessed whack job, to me. He also had a letter from Polly Klass' killer and a copy of her death certificate.

But, it sure has provided a lot of media attention for the "anybody but the Ramseys" faction. From private detectives to book writers to Patsys sisters......it's been a bonanza!

[shana]

When I saw the first pix yesterday (early resume), I immediately thought he looked fem. The second pix when he was heavier did not so resonate. The third pix (how he looks today) did again. Certainly during his live comments, I perceived his mannerisms as those typically characteristic of gay males (of which there have been many in my personal life, as close friends and associates).

What this means...I have no idea.

I am reminded of Richard Speck...not that there's any relevance...just came to mind.

[Lady GL]

Sounds like an obsessed whack job, to me. He also had a letter from Polly Klass' killer and a copy of her death certificate.

But, it sure has provided a lot of media attention for the "anybody but the Ramseys" faction. From private detectives to book writers to Patsys sisters......it's been a bonanza!

Nope. not the guy, he's the fall guy.

[Lauren]

I think this guy is a pedophile and nuts! He is loving the attention.

[j2mirish]

I doubt it. Look at him - he is mugging for the camera, this guy would have confessed to killing JFK and Lincoln if he thought it would get him on TV. Every time I see him I think of Anthony Perkins in "Psycho."
i so agree with you- this is all about him ....sick

[JBean]

When I saw the first pix yesterday (early resume), I immediately thought he looked fem. The second pix when he was heavier did not so resonate. The third pix (how he looks today) did again. Certainly during his live comments, I perceived his mannerisms as those typically characteristic of gay males (of which there have been many in my personal life, as close friends and associates).

What this means...I have no idea.

I am reminded of Richard Speck...not that there's any relevance...just came to mind.Oh man Richard Speck was a sickie. I will never forget his face.

[texasgirl]

Definitely clueless!:confused:

Playing the waiting game to find out what they have on this guy, if anything. If he didn't do it, he still needs to be taken off the streets!!:behindbar

[deanws]

Nope. I think Karr is a nut who became obsessed with JBR after her death.I agree with you Honey. I hope the DNA matches so little JBR can have her justice, but I bet it won't.
:confused:

[Peter Hamilton]

Richard Speck died in prison at age 49 of a heart attack--was definitely gay in prison,as there was an infamous videotape--killed 8 nurses in a single night while drunk--never forgot his ugly pockmarked face--was to be executed but 1972 supreme ct. overturned all death sentences

[Anita Richman]

I voted "NO", but am willing to change my vote *if* the family/ex-wife are unable to locate evidence that he was at home with them on Christmas 1996.

[PaperDoll]

NOPE not the guy..

[jc9876]

I voted "NO", but am willing to change my vote *if* the family/ex-wife are unable to locate evidence that he was at home with them on Christmas 1996.Unless it's in storage, I'm betting maybe there isn't any such photo. But does that mean he did it? Nope, not in my mind. At least I'm not convinced. He's hiding waaaay to much as others have already mentioned. If he hadn't said anything or confessed to everything, maybe. But cryptic messages and half answered questions don't a guilty man make (for JBR's murder, that is..he is guity as sin of other transgressions, I would think).

[michelle]

Richard Speck died in prison at age 49 of a heart attack--was definitely gay in prison,as there was an infamous videotape--killed 8 nurses in a single night while drunk--never forgot his ugly pockmarked face--was to be executed but 1972 supreme ct. overturned all death sentencesHe was one strange cookie for sure, I never understood how he killed all those poor nurses, I wish they woul have jumped his a$$ and beat him down!

[WhiteWolf]

No, doesn't appear like the type. He hasn't said anything to make me believe he killed JonBenet.

[Anita Richman]

Unless it's in storage, I'm betting maybe there isn't any such photo. But does that mean he did it? Nope, not in my mind. At least I'm not convinced. He's hiding waaaay to much as others have already mentioned. If he hadn't said anything or confessed to everything, maybe. But cryptic messages and half answered questions don't a guilty man make (for JBR's murder, that is..he is guity as sin of other transgressions, I would think).
I absolutely agree with this. I also agree that even if a photo alibi doesn't exist, he still most likely didn't do it.

[HarvestMoon]

I voted "NO", but am willing to change my vote *if* the family/ex-wife are unable to locate evidence that he was at home with them on Christmas 1996.
Anita wow! Where have you been?

[Warof2010]

This is the most vigorous poll I have seen on WS for a long time.

[lilpony]

:eek: Gosh I don't know! :eek:

[Fang]

I don't think so. Karr didn't have his facts straight. He couldn't have picked JBR up from school December 26, school was closed that day.:loser:
He said he drugged JBR and raped her. Dr. Wecht today said that JBR was not drugged, as per her autopsy report and she had not been raped.

I agree with you. Too many facts so far he has gotten wrong. I do believe that there are many on WS that know the facts better than he. In this case, LE will definitely have to prove that he killed JB to me. I can't see him as guilty or knowing much about it either from what I have heard and read.

Of course, I reserve the right to change my mind at any time and without warning. :)

[Invisible]

No, he is not the guy. I didn't think he was from the beginning, but I thought that by this time more of the question re: what connection he had to Boulder and the Ramseys would be answered. Now there are even MORE holes in this guys story. He supposedly was obsessed with JB, but says that he picked her up at school and took her to the basement and killed her accidently. Why would he say that if he was so familiar with the case? He's a NUT.

[lostfaith]

He sure is not looking like he is the guy, too many wrong facts that he is stating. But....maybe he has committed so many crimes that we dont know about yet and he is getting the facts of each crime mixed up? Possible????

Time will tell. I do wish he is the guy and we all finally get answers.

I agree, to me he looks gay.

Here is a question I have. The autopsy report....could things have been left out of it on purpose? Could they have held certain things back from the public? Would that be possible? Could explain how LE said he knew certain things that the public did not know.

[Peter Hamilton]

michelle,I believe Speck was armed with a knife,tied all the women up--then took them out of the room one by one,where he strangled each one--they may not have known their fate,might've thought he was just separating them--he did rape the most attractive one---Speck was a total loser in life,couldn't hold a job,scarred by acne,an alcoholic--truly a pitiful human being

[ellen13]

in terms of himsaying he drugged her, isn't there a drug he could have given her that could have been out of her system by the time of her autopsy/

secondly, i think he loves this attention!!!

[pittsburghgirl]

michelle,I believe Speck was armed with a knife,tied all the women up--then took them out of the room one by one,where he strangled each one--they may not have known their fate,might've thought he was just separating them--he did rape the most attractive one---Speck was a total loser in life,couldn't hold a job,scarred by acne,an alcoholic--truly a pitiful human being


There was one survivor--Corazon Amarao (I hope I remembered the spelling--it was so long ago). She rolled under the bed and he must have lost track of how many he had tied up in the first place.

[scandi]

We just don't know, although I voted he could be the guy but I'm not sure.

I do not think this very astute and conservative lady DA who lives by the letter of the law would bring this guy in from Thailand, make an American and possibly world wide spectacle of the happening - without probable cause.

Dr Lee says there are some unknowns that only the killer would know:

* where did he get the tape, from what source

* what was done with the missing piece of the Garotte

* what was used to hit her over the head - a flashlight? - and what did he do with it

And in one of those many emails passed over to the DA, one held something that noone else but the killer would know.


Besides probable cause, they would be the laughing stock of every police dept in America if a warrant was issued from a judge in Boulder without confirmation that he was in that town on the night she was murdered. That has to go without saying. There was probable cause enough for the judge to sign the warrant.

He might look whacko, like freaky tales and kinky sex would bring to mind, but I think what is left of his brain is sharp enough to have existed all these years satisfying his perversion and still be free to roam the world.

And he might now have the savy to throw out some bones to stir the pot with LE, even though he knows these inaccurate things he has said are even known by the public to be wrong.

This guy is the ultimatei JonBenet fan, obsessed with everything about her. He has to know what he is doing.


Scandi

[JBean]

There was one survivor--Corazon Amarao (I hope I remembered the spelling--it was so long ago). She rolled under the bed and he must have lost track of how many he had tied up in the first place.I was living in Chicagoland at the time and i can remember the front page of the tribune with big pictures of the 8 nurses. man that was so awful.

[Charlie]

Some of his actions toward the cameras reminds of Lee Harvey Oswald.


Haha thats so werid, last night i was thinking the exact same thing...i thought no-one would agree with me on that. I think it was the way he was walking through the corridor with reporters surrounding him like the basement of the dallas police dept.

[Charlie]

Is is possible that parts of the autopsy report are still sealed?

[dark_shadows]

Is is possible that parts of the autopsy report are still sealed?Hi Charlie,:)
Here is an updated Smoking Gun site on the case. (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/jonbenet/jonbenet_casefile.html)

[mysteriew]

I am leaning heavily toward him being guilty, pending of course being able to show he was in the state and the DNA match.

The drugs Someone on here (I can't remember who) mentioned and reminded me that back then rufies and some other date rape drugs would not show up on toxicology or drug screens at that time. One of the mysteries on the case has always been that it appeared that JBR was given food and drink during the night. So I believe it is possible.

The father's defense for him is that he was writing a book about JBR's murder. Yet in his communications, it is reported that he used an anonymous server to hide his identity. No legit author would do so, as most authors want to make sure they provide all the credentials they can, in order to gain maximum cooperation from the family so they can get more and possibly confidential details. I am not saying that he wasn't writing a book, but that maybe his book was intended to have some unique perspective on the case, he didn't need the confidential details the family had. If he is writing the book, I think it will be from the killer's perspective.

His wife's story- first, did she divorce hiim after the porn case because she no longer had feelings for him? Or was it for the protection of the children? Could she have residual feelings or mixed feelings about him? And is she perhaps protecting the children- they probably had a lot of problems when 'Dad' was charged with child porn, how much worse for them will it be if he is charged with this crime?

He wasn't in jail in Thailand, he was arrested in his apartment. On charges from Calif. If he wanted out of the Thai jail, all he had to do was not waive extradition and he would accomplish the same thing. Also, he would more likely have a harder time of it if he confessed to a child murder, because let's face it- porn charges are not that uncommon there and I believe they look at it differently.

And last, and I think probably most convincing to me is that he was arrested on a misdemeanor charge and the confusion over whether DNA match has been made. Some media say yes, some say no, and some say no comment. One article I read said that DNA testing was done in Thailand. I somehow believe that. US officials probably won't acknowlege that, as the testing likely wouldn't be accepted in a US court. So they will have to do it again. But I think that was the probably cause that was probably used for the arrest. California is not going to extradit for a misdemeanor charge. Too costly and time consuming. But if they saw proof of other crimes, then yes they would likely allow their charges to be used to bring him back stateside. He has been so forthcoming since the arrest, I almost wonder if he didn't agree to a DNA test before the arrest.

[Charlie]

Hi Charlie,:)
Here is an updated Smoking Gun site on the case. (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/jonbenet/jonbenet_casefile.html)

Thanks darkShadow - this guy is annoying me now. It it turns out he had nothing to do with JBR case he's still done damage to further investigation.

[partyuv5]

I don't think he is the perp. I agree the guy may be gay. (I don't bash gays, my 18 yr old is gay). My thought is that maybe he is sick (AIDS) because he looks like he has man boobs (lost a lot of weight) and maybe he is need of medical treatment.

Maybe the guy in the hawaiian shirt is his partner? Maybe he knows he can receive treatment in the US, even is prision? Just my thoughts. I don't think I'm very far off!

[Amster]

I have a question.....the Ramseys private det. say that a window was broken in the basement......point of entry for an intruder

I've also heard that the window had intact spider webs and undisturbed dust on the windowsill....and JR and his friend put a suitcase under it.....

Is there any truth to either of these scenarios?

[narlacat]

I am leaning heavily toward him being guilty, pending of course being able to show he was in the state and the DNA match.

The drugs Someone on here (I can't remember who) mentioned and reminded me that back then rufies and some other date rape drugs would not show up on toxicology or drug screens at that time. One of the mysteries on the case has always been that it appeared that JBR was given food and drink during the night. So I believe it is possible.

The father's defense for him is that he was writing a book about JBR's murder. Yet in his communications, it is reported that he used an anonymous server to hide his identity. No legit author would do so, as most authors want to make sure they provide all the credentials they can, in order to gain maximum cooperation from the family so they can get more and possibly confidential details. I am not saying that he wasn't writing a book, but that maybe his book was intended to have some unique perspective on the case, he didn't need the confidential details the family had. If he is writing the book, I think it will be from the killer's perspective.

His wife's story- first, did she divorce hiim after the porn case because she no longer had feelings for him? Or was it for the protection of the children? Could she have residual feelings or mixed feelings about him? And is she perhaps protecting the children- they probably had a lot of problems when 'Dad' was charged with child porn, how much worse for them will it be if he is charged with this crime?

He wasn't in jail in Thailand, he was arrested in his apartment. On charges from Calif. If he wanted out of the Thai jail, all he had to do was not waive extradition and he would accomplish the same thing. Also, he would more likely have a harder time of it if he confessed to a child murder, because let's face it- porn charges are not that uncommon there and I believe they look at it differently.

And last, and I think probably most convincing to me is that he was arrested on a misdemeanor charge and the confusion over whether DNA match has been made. Some media say yes, some say no, and some say no comment. One article I read said that DNA testing was done in Thailand. I somehow believe that. US officials probably won't acknowlege that, as the testing likely wouldn't be accepted in a US court. So they will have to do it again. But I think that was the probably cause that was probably used for the arrest. California is not going to extradit for a misdemeanor charge. Too costly and time consuming. But if they saw proof of other crimes, then yes they would likely allow their charges to be used to bring him back stateside. He has been so forthcoming since the arrest, I almost wonder if he didn't agree to a DNA test before the arrest.
Well, they're not exactly screaming it from the hill tops.
Has anyone official said the DNA was a match yet?

[narlacat]

I have a question.....the Ramseys private det. say that a window was broken in the basement......point of entry for an intruder

I've also heard that the window had intact spider webs and undisturbed dust on the windowsill....and JR and his friend put a suitcase under it.....

Is there any truth to either of these scenarios?
Amster
I doubt anyone came in that basement window.
JR and a friend did not put the suitcase under the window, it was found like that.
Actually I should re phrase that, JR said he found the case like that when he went into the basement early that morning.
The spider web was intact and undisturbed dust was on the windowsill yes.

[denalves]

My family has searched for my missing brother, Christopher for 20 years and we received emails recently from a individual in another country who stated they had information as to the whereabouts of my brother. We followed the lead through to find out that this individual had become overly inquisitive about my brother's case and it turned out to be a very cruel hoax.

I can't help but wonder if this suspect in the Ramsey case also became obsessed with the story, so much as to want to put himself in the limelight in some sick way. I certainly hope though that he is the person who committed this crime, so the Ramsey family can have some closure and justice served.

www.findchristopher.com (http://www.findchristopher.com)

[Jovin]

Oh man Richard Speck was a sickie. I will never forget his face.

I'll never forget his BOOBS! :D

[Peter Hamilton]

Amster,yes,not only was the spider web intact,but it was proven that this type of spider,even if its web was destroyed,would not have been able to spin another web in the time frame

[angelmom]

Count me clueless...but I always have been about this case. I can read one side and totally agree, but then read arguments for the other side and find myself nodding along. Don't you think that's why this case has fascinated so many people for so long?

I've got to say, the problems with his story make me doubt. From the first I heard of this guy, my gut reaction was NO WAY! But I agree that they wouldn't have gone all the way to Thailand on nothing.

Is it possible that Karr is on the same perv network as someone who really did kill JBR??? Maybe he is just obsessed with the case and has run into - maybe without even knowing for sure - the real killer? Imagine a board, like this one but with a less noble cause, one that would sicken us if we read it. People toss out theories and ideas, and the REAL one stuck in Karr's mind because it sounded so darned plausible.

Maybe the police think the real killer wouldn't accept someone getting "credit" for his work, and they are all just screwing with him.

Maybe I've been watching too many Law and Order reruns. :doh:

[Export]

A local talk radio station is promoting a 9am interview with an anonymous classmate of Karr's. Apparently strange behavior goes way back. (BTW-has anyone else heard that Karr named two of his kids Damien and Seven?--ok, I know, rumors are flying, I just wondered...)

[natasha-cupcake]

I don't think he is the perp. I agree the guy may be gay. (I don't bash gays, my 18 yr old is gay). My thought is that maybe he is sick (AIDS) because he looks like he has man boobs (lost a lot of weight) and maybe he is need of medical treatment.

Maybe the guy in the hawaiian shirt is his partner? Maybe he knows he can receive treatment in the US, even is prision? Just my thoughts. I don't think I'm very far off!
Thailand, along with India, has some of the best hospitals in the world and healthcare there is extremely inexpensive as well. Their physicians are all trained in the US and go back to Thailand to practise. In fact, many people, including a lot of Americans, go on "medical vacations" to Thailand. You can get bypass surgery, or plastic surgery (or any other surgery for that matter) and get a great beach vacation on top of it, all for a fraction of the cost of the surgery alone, here in the US. My husband and I were in Thailand earlier this summer and he had to go to the ER for chest pains. He was treated in a gorgeous and well equipped hospital, with great care and compassion and the ENTIRE bill, including post discharge meds, was only $50. Of course, I was freaked out by the thought of a foreign hospital, so I did some research and discovered the facts I just mentioned.

Also, I just want to say that we are hearing a lot of negative things about Thailand right now, especially in relation to child sex issues. Thailand does have a thriving sex trade, but child sex is very much frowned upon and authorities there are making strides toward discouraging it. The Thai people, in general, are extremely gracious and caring. I found Bangkok to be an extremely sophisticated and pleasant city, with a great deal more to offer the world than easy sex. It's seamy side is not at all apparent to one who isn't looking for it.

[kwatson696]

They are going to release the e-mails......he wrote one last Christmas to JonBenet......

Fox News tv

[Class-z]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


I think the magazine guy got win of him and lead him into some of this....This guy is definately a "PEDOPHILE" needs to be watched very closely until they can put him away, but he's going to make the DA in Boulder look stupid and the Ramsey's have created a doubt about them now.

This guy is dangerous, but a fruit loop.

[Class-z]

One more thing, who ever referred to Patsy as Patricia??????????

[Enola]

No. They failed to charge Patsy and now they've compounded their foolishness by charging a patsy...

[christine2448]

Some of his actions toward the cameras reminds of Lee Harvey Oswald.
Looks just like Oswald, IMO.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/christine2448/johnkarr.jpghttp://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/christine2448/oswald.jpg

[LaMer]

My family has searched for my missing brother, Christopher for 20 years and we received emails recently from a individual in another country who stated they had information as to the whereabouts of my brother. We followed the lead through to find out that this individual had become overly inquisitive about my brother's case and it turned out to be a very cruel hoax.

I can't help but wonder if this suspect in the Ramsey case also became obsessed with the story, so much as to want to put himself in the limelight in some sick way. I certainly hope though that he is the person who committed this crime, so the Ramsey family can have some closure and justice served.

www.findchristopher.com (http://www.findchristopher.com)




Denalves, that is so sad, and what a horrible and despicable thing to do to you and your family.

Welcome to Websleuths Denalves! :)

[Export]

I don't know much about this case, but an interview with former high-school friend of Karr's on radio right now saysKarr signed her her annual/yearbook. Apparently there are similarities to the randsom note. They're not disclosing much but has something to do with poetic, phrase that connects to the randsom note, somthing to do with sbtc. ??? sorry. She's been in touch with authorities. She believes he was involved, very much involved, but doesn't know how much.

[englishleigh]

I saw something he had supposedly written shown on TV last night, looked like some writing on a business card of some kind, and the handwriting was quite similar to the ransom note.

[englishleigh]

My family has searched for my missing brother, Christopher for 20 years and we received emails recently from a individual in another country who stated they had information as to the whereabouts of my brother. We followed the lead through to find out that this individual had become overly inquisitive about my brother's case and it turned out to be a very cruel hoax.

I can't help but wonder if this suspect in the Ramsey case also became obsessed with the story, so much as to want to put himself in the limelight in some sick way. I certainly hope though that he is the person who committed this crime, so the Ramsey family can have some closure and justice served.

www.findchristopher.com (http://www.findchristopher.com)




Welcome to WS!! I went to your baby brother's website...what a cutie. I'm so sorry this happened to your family. God bless you all and I pray that someday you will find Christopher.

[Paladin]

Nope. I think Karr is a nut who became obsessed with JBR after her death.
I think this pretty much sums it up.

[christine2448]

I'm clueless. I thought so at first, now, just not sure. I hope we find out the truth someday. I hope someday their will be Justice for JonBenet.

[Annie]

Looks just like Oswald, IMO.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/christine2448/johnkarr.jpghttp://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/christine2448/oswald.jpg
You know, when I saw him walking in the middle of those men, Oswald is exactly who it reminded me of.

[Beyond Belief]

Reminds me of gary condit.

[fishyfishy4]

that is to the question is Karr the guy?
Nope, don't think so. Too many oddities in that interview. The smirks, holding back laughs, looking drugged out of his mind, barely able to stand and being guided into the seat.
I think this guy thinks he was with JB spiritually the night she was murdered. When he says he was there he means in spirit. The guy is a sick evil piece of protoplasm. What a wimpish way to get out of Thailand when you know your butt will be thrown into a jail there for other charges. Evil.

[Amster]

Amster
I doubt anyone came in that basement window.
JR and a friend did not put the suitcase under the window, it was found like that.
Actually I should re phrase that, JR said he found the case like that when he went into the basement early that morning.
The spider web was intact and undisturbed dust was on the windowsill yes.
Thanks....I followed this case closely for a long time....then not so closely. Reading back over the reams of material, my head is spinning!!

I did finally have to make a list of all the players in this tragedy. I knew that some of the guests on the news shows....CNN, Fox and MSNBC were working for the Ramseys. But that fact is more often than not left out. All the viewer is told is that so-and-so is a detective, ex-cop, etc. And don't even get me started on Michael Tracey! :banghead:

[kidzndogznme]

How can they say she wasn't raped when there was the paintbrush sticking out of her???


I don't think so. Karr didn't have his facts straight. He couldn't have picked JBR up from school December 26, school was closed that day.:loser:
He said he drugged JBR and raped her. Dr. Wecht today said that JBR was not drugged, as per her autopsy report and she had not been raped.

[sejay3911]

Anyone wanna bet that this guy, Karr has been posting on message boards about this case? C'mon Sleuthers....YOU can find his posts!

[Amster]

How can they say she wasn't raped when there was the paintbrush sticking out of her???
Huh??

[SuperDave]

"How can they say she wasn't raped when there was the paintbrush sticking out of her???"

They mean she wasn't penetrated by a male member, kidzndogznme. That's important.

"The spider web was intact and undisturbed dust was on the windowsill yes."

"Amster,yes,not only was the spider web intact,but it was proven that this type of spider,even if its web was destroyed,would not have been able to spin another web in the time frame"

That's right. This guy has yet to say how he got into the house.

[scandi]

Hi SuperDave, I really agree with you, LOL, but I have heard many lawyer TH's in the last day say if DNA matches, that's is all they would need to find him guilty.

It is only if the DNA does not match they would examine everything else that would have to match, like the note, entry, proving he was in Co that night, etc.

Scandi

[SuperDave]

"Hi SuperDave, I really agree with you, LOL, but I have heard many lawyer TH's in the last day say if DNA matches, that's is all they would need to find him guilty."

Right, but it would still be nice to know!

"It is only if the DNA does not match they would examine everything else that would have to match, like the note, entry, proving he was in Co that night, etc."

If it doesn't match him, the key then will be what the DA says about the DNA itself.

[christine2448]

If it doesn't match him, the key then will be what the DA says about the DNA itself.
Maybe that will lead to them saying he didn't 'act' alone?

[Eagle1]

Haha thats so werid, last night i was thinking the exact same thing...i thought no-one would agree with me on that. I think it was the way he was walking through the corridor with reporters surrounding him like the basement of the dallas police dept.

Yes, Charlie and Justice 2, it was the basement scene, but also I remember there were times when JMK was seated that he reminded me somehow of Oswald. Then that also reminded me he looks slightly like Sirhan too. I too thought he looked effeminate last night, don't know if he could have bashed her head, but he used to be heavier.

[Eagle1]

Quoting Lostfaith, post #3 on pg 2...
"too many wrong facts that he is stating. But....maybe he has committed so many crimes that we dont know about yet and he is getting the facts of each crime mixed up? Possible????

There ya go. And about picking her up from school, some interrogater in Thailand I believe said he got that somewhere else, not from the suspect.
Also one of them said the suspect said something was "a blur". That's two or three of the holes in the story explained. Here's hoping.

[Eagle1]

One more thing, who ever referred to Patsy as Patricia??????????

He probably heard about The Patricia Letters in some forum and thought calling her that would make it seem that was what he called her. So many members aren't familiar with the Patricia letters, I imagine there's probably a link at ACandyRose. Not everyone believes Patsy sent the email letters to "Cheesy" and/or somebody but it seems to me that either he was the one phoning her during the grand jury or he read The Patricia Letters and decided to be that one. I do hope he's the one, of course.

[Eagle1]

Anyone wanna bet that this guy, Karr has been posting on message boards about this case? C'mon Sleuthers....YOU can find his posts!

You mean we should have spotted some self-contradicting posts? Nope. I once read somewhere, not necessiarily true because they don't really know much for sure about schizophrenia, that schizo's use self-contradicting sentences.

Either there weren't any here or, do we all do it? Hm.....(Just kidding.)

SD, Hi. Do you agree that, especially if some things match, JMK could have sneaked out to Boulder that night after his family were asleep, or said he was going to the 7-11 or something, knowing they were all almost asleep? We used to have a poster who did a lot of timetables research and found JAR could have made it there and back from Atlanta w/out any of his fam knowing. If JAR could, so could this suspect.

[dingo]

Our Australian headlines this morning are saying his confession is under doubt...is that the feeling in America too?...sorry Im a bit out of the loop..couldnt get on my computer yesterday

[Warof2010]

Our Australian headlines this morning are saying his confession is under doubt...is that the feeling in America too?...sorry Im a bit out of the loop..couldnt get on my computer yesterdaydingo, some people are still absolutely certain it was the Ramseys; others think this is a conspiracy orchestrated by the Ramseys; then some think this is all orchestrated by Micahael Tracey; some of us are clueless, while still others swear JMK is not the guy; however, there are a few that think the DA has the right person. Yes, there are a lot of questions about JMK's confession, and whether LE put out a false autopsy report in order to confuse most of us, figuring that only the real killer would know the actual facts. At the rate threads are being created on WS, on this case, it will certainly break the all-time record, that is the only thing we can ascertain at this point with absolute certainty. Other than that, we know about as much today, as we did a twenty-four hours ago.

[dingo]

Thanks Buzz

[absolut_alexis]

I'll always think that the family had something to do with it.

[LinasK]

I'll always think that the family had something to do with it.
Me too! I think Patsy wrote the note and there is NO good explanation for John's shirt fibers being found in JB's genital area!!!:behindbar :behindbar :behindbar

[mysteriew]

Me too! I think Patsy wrote the note and there is NO good explanation for John's shirt fibers being found in JB's genital area!!!:behindbar :behindbar :behindbar

Actually, there could be a couple of explanations for that.
A. They most likely all use the same washer and dryer.
B. Transfer theory. Did she sit on JR's lap?

With household crimes, some amount of transfer is expected. In cop shows the finding of a hair in a child's bed is often heralded as a break through, but in reality, family hair and fiber could be found all over the house if they looked for it. Hair and fiber really only has major significance if it is proven to be from someone outside the home.

[kazzbar]

Me too! I think Patsy wrote the note and there is NO good explanation for John's shirt fibers being found in JB's genital area!!!:behindbar :behindbar :behindbar Of course, this can be eplained.What if the shirt and the panties were in a clothes dryer together. Then JBR wore the panties and off came the fibres. Or if they were chucked in a clothes basket together after washing. Of course, this onley works if the panties were not 'new' You are right if they were new then it is a whole different ball game.This i cannot recall.

[Warof2010]

Me too! I think Patsy wrote the note and there is NO good explanation for John's shirt fibers being found in JB's genital area!!!:behindbar :behindbar :behindbarOut of five separate handwriting analysts, each grading on a scale of 0 to 5, with 5 meaning complete exclusion, all but one analyst gave Patsy a 5, and the one analyst who didn't give her a 5, scored her a 4.5. That, in my estimation, means that Patsy did not write the ransom note.

[Britt]

Actually, there could be a couple of explanations for that.
A. They most likely all use the same washer and dryer.
B. Transfer theory. Did she sit on JR's lap?
I agree about the possible transfer, though the shirt was wool and probably drycleaned only, no washer/dryer, and the underwear was (supposedly) brand new right out of a previously unopened package...

One possibility -- JB's Gap shirt was full of John's shirt fibers from Xmas evening contact... and the fibers transferred when the stager laid the new underwear on JB's Gap shirt while she wiped up JB.

[SuperDave]

"Me too! I think Patsy wrote the note and there is NO good explanation for John's shirt fibers being found in JB's genital area!!!"

I agree!

"Of course, this onley works if the panties were not 'new' You are right if they were new then it is a whole different ball game.This i cannot recall."

They were new, I'm pretty sure.

"I agree about the possible transfer, though the shirt was wool and probably drycleaned only, no washer/dryer, and the underwear was (supposedly) brand new right out of a previously unopened package..."

Right, I believe.

"Out of five separate handwriting analysts, each grading on a scale of 0 to 5, with 5 meaning complete exclusion, all but one analyst gave Patsy a 5, and the one analyst who didn't give her a 5, scored her a 4.5. That, in my estimation, means that Patsy did not write the ransom note."

That's false, Buzz. The only ones using that scale were the two "experts" the Ramseys hired, and they came up with the "4.5" you talk about. I've talked to several handwriting analysts and they've never heard of such a thing. And even THEY couldn't rule her out. None of the analysts excluded her. Chet Ubowski said that he couldn't say so in court she wrote it, but that the only thing making him unsure was bleeding ink from the pen. The rest said that while they could say so in court, they didn't see how anyone else could have done it. PLUS, a battery of experts say she did write it, with impeccable credentials.

[christine2448]

dingo, some people are still absolutely certain it was the Ramseys; others think this is a conspiracy orchestrated by the Ramseys; then some think this is all orchestrated by Micahael Tracey; some of us are clueless, while still others swear JMK is not the guy; however, there are a few that think the DA has the right person. Yes, there are a lot of questions about JMK's confession, and whether LE put out a false autopsy report in order to confuse most of us, figuring that only the real killer would know the actual facts. At the rate threads are being created on WS, on this case, it will certainly break the all-time record, that is the only thing we can ascertain at this point with absolute certainty. Other than that, we know about as much today, as we did a twenty-four hours ago.
Buzz! You summed up perfectly the 'sides' that have been taken here. I am in the category of clueless :waitasec: I can tell you that. Haven't been around TV all day, just reading here and I haven't teeter/tottered about anything in my life as I have over the developments going on in WS the last couple of days. I just got home and am hoping to catch some kinda update...what did I miss here since leaving work at 5, going to SIL and visiting, and coming home and put the baby down...hoping to catch updates on the tube too.

[Sleuthie_lu]

I think this guy thinks he was with JB spiritually the night she was murdered. When he says he was there he means in spirit.

Yeah, I have to go with that theory. This guy is sick. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. He "loves" JonBenet, perhaps he is one with her and if she died he would have been there because now he is in a dark void without her. Something to that effect. Their souls are intwined together. (yuck)

I honestly don't think this guy knew anything about JB until after her death and then became obsessed with her, like he seems to have done with Polly Klass.

I, for one will be totally gobsmacked if the DNA matches.

On the topic of Christmases, I have been married for 14 years and I can tell you my husband and I have spent each one together. I couldn't tell you what we did on each one. We have also spent 13 Thanksgivings together. I can't tell you what happened on each year, but I know that ONCE he was away and out of state for the holiday. So if she "knows" he was at home for all their holidays, I tend to trust her.

Is it possible he wrote the Patricia letters? From what I have read and am reading, I think it highly possibly. Look at some of the wordings about "love, care and adoration" Seems to be pretty much in the same vein. Perhaps he was pretending to be Patsy as he would now like to be "one" with her to be closer to JB.

Does his HS handwriting match the ransom letter? NO WAY. I have yet to see a recent example of his handwriting, but I have certainly seen a much closer match than his.

Did the police or investigators leave something out of the public eye? Yes. They do in every crime. Was it something missing in the autopsy report? No. It is illegal to not make that all truth. What police usually leave out is a small piece of evidence, like a hair ribbon color. Example.... Two children's bodies are found after they have been drowned. The newspaper reports they were found in matching sweaters. What they don't mention is the pattern on the sweaters. (That's from a mystery book) So if someone happens to mention a "Sailboat Pattern" sweater, they know they have their murderer.

Is the info he seems to have the reported story that JB was found with her head placed on a cigar box as though it was a pillow? Could be, but anyone following this case knows that. (NO I AM NOT THE MURDERER!!!) We on these boards also know a ton of stuff because, sadly, members of the police and investigators were too free with that info.

My vote is he is a pedophilic wingnut who needs to be put away for a loooooonnnnnng time. Murderer?????? I doubt he was JB's.

And finally, it IS nice to see all the wingnuts come out of hiding after so many years. (and maybe that includes me! LOL)

Sleuthie
(disclaimer - this is my opinion/story and I'm sticking to it, until the wind changes or hell freezes over. Whatever comes first)

[dark_shadows]

Looks just like Oswald, IMO.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/christine2448/johnkarr.jpghttp://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/christine2448/oswald.jpgHi Christine,:)
The media has been comparing Karr to Oswald since his confession.They have been posting photos side by side to compare.
A transcript from CNN on 17aug06;
Link to article (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/17/acd.01.html)

But going to back to Karr and looking back to him I'm kind of flashing back to like Lee Harvey Oswald, kind of an appearance to the guy, appears to be a very meek type of individual. I would expect, would want to see in his background a propensity for violence. Coming from him in the past.

We are a reflection of our past. A prediction ...

[Eagle1]

Quoting from a post on pg 4, "Yes, there are a lot of questions about JMK's confession, and whether LE put out a false autopsy report in order to confuse most of us, figuring that only the real killer would know the actual facts,"

Just making a note of this possibility. Could LE do that?

[tumble]

Quoting from a post on pg 4, "Yes, there are a lot of questions about JMK's confession, and whether LE put out a false autopsy report in order to confuse most of us, figuring that only the real killer would know the actual facts,"

Just making a note of this possibility. Could LE do that?Not without marking out the bits that are censored.

[californiacarrie]

Lets say Karr did do it - is it possible that he's purposefully "confessing" misinformation to make it more difficult to prosecute him?

[Eagle1]

Lets say Karr did do it - is it possible that he's purposefully "confessing" misinformation to make it more difficult to prosecute him?

That's what I've been thinking all along, which would mean he planned to confess, or, maybe the shock of the arrest shook it out of him(?)

Another question, I'll not start a thread about because we have so many,
How did he FINANCE all his travel and hotels? I'm thinking if he was involved at all he wasn't acting alone. "Follow the money", some say. I suppose we'll eventually find out why his grandparents raised him and if they were willing and able to finance whatever crazy thing he wanted to do.

[kazzbar]

Must say that i have been wondering how he managed to finance his Thai escapades and all of his travel .His employment is sketchy at best so where were funds comeing from? I do not believe the things on his resume.He probably had heaps of short jobs , that ended with his dissmissal for all types of behavioural issues.
Could it be that he had grandparents money left to him? I heard that the house he shared with his wife was left to him by his grandparents.They seem to have raised him. I wonder why!
Still it takes a steady income to raise kids, drive De Lorean's and Jags.Let alone skip the country on the run and go from one place to another.It is all very much a mystery.:waitasec:

[gaia]

Kazzbar, you have nailed it! His wife, according to some talking head on TV this morning, indicated they were "dirt-poor" when he was living with them in Ala., so how in the name of all that's holy did this guy own and drive a DeLorean? I had a Dr. friend who had one of those and they were EXPENSIVE! This just doesn't add up. As for all the trips, I'm very puzzled how someone with spotty jobs and virtually hand to mouth could opt to fly to THailand seemingly whenever he wanted?

Here's a question: Do you think he was making trips for a sex change? I was alerted to his scar around the area where the adam's apple should be and he does look as though he's had work done there. Also, his breasts! Eeeewwww! I hate to admit it, but they may be as big as mine! Sure hope that's not true! Plus, he's so thin! Others, who knew him when he was living with his family a few years ago, said he looked quite "normal". He had a stockier build and just appeared to be more "manly".

[Old Broad]

I am very interested in finding out just why he went to live with his grandparents when he was 12. IMO he has shown a sexual attraction to little girls that looks like he became mentally stunted somewhere around this time. Something happened way back when to cause this.

OB

[rashomon]

Lets say Karr did do it - is it possible that he's purposefully "confessing" misinformation to make it more difficult to prosecute him?
I don't think so for in that case he wouldn't have said into the camera that he wasn't innocent.
That guy certainly is disturbed enough to fit the profile of a sexual predator, but this doesn't mean it was him.
He looks psychotic. I believe he was so obsessed with JonBenet that he fantasized himself into the role of the perp.

[gaia]

I don't think so for in that case he wouldn't have said into the camera that he wasn't innocent.
That guy certainly is disturbed enough to fit the profile of a sexual predator, but this doesn't mean it was him.
He looks psychotic. I believe he was so obsessed with JonBenet that he fantasized himself into the role of the perp.
Well put.:cool:

[kazzbar]

Kazzbar, you have nailed it! His wife, according to some talking head on TV this morning, indicated they were "dirt-poor" when he was living with them in Ala., so how in the name of all that's holy did this guy own and drive a DeLorean? I had a Dr. friend who had one of those and they were EXPENSIVE! This just doesn't add up. As for all the trips, I'm very puzzled how someone with spotty jobs and virtually hand to mouth could opt to fly to THailand seemingly whenever he wanted?

Here's a question: Do you think he was making trips for a sex change? I was alerted to his scar around the area where the adam's apple should be and he does look as though he's had work done there. Also, his breasts! Eeeewwww! I hate to admit it, but they may be as big as mine! Sure hope that's not true! Plus, he's so thin! Others, who knew him when he was living with his family a few years ago, said he looked quite "normal". He had a stockier build and just appeared to be more "manly".Yeah , i wondered about the sex change bit myself even mentioned it on another thread. He is very effeminate now but more masculine in old photos. Sex change op's are cheap in Asia and easy to get. But this is just speculation .He definetly has the world talking and he will be back in the U.S tomorrow. Cannot wait !

[SuperDave]

"I believe he was so obsessed with JonBenet that he fantasized himself into the role of the perp."

Yes, he wants to be Patsy's hero. (Myabe he's like a Norman Bates and wants to BE Patsy!)

[justice2]

Bump.


I noticed on one of the major media's websites that had a poll the no vote was ahead.

[panthera]

Kazzbar, you have nailed it! His wife, according to some talking head on TV this morning, indicated they were "dirt-poor" when he was living with them in Ala., so how in the name of all that's holy did this guy own and drive a DeLorean? I had a Dr. friend who had one of those and they were EXPENSIVE! This just doesn't add up. As for all the trips, I'm very puzzled how someone with spotty jobs and virtually hand to mouth could opt to fly to THailand seemingly whenever he wanted?

Here's a question: Do you think he was making trips for a sex change? I was alerted to his scar around the area where the adam's apple should be and he does look as though he's had work done there. Also, his breasts! Eeeewwww! I hate to admit it, but they may be as big as mine! Sure hope that's not true! Plus, he's so thin! Others, who knew him when he was living with his family a few years ago, said he looked quite "normal". He had a stockier build and just appeared to be more "manly".I noticed his appearance had changed remarkedly also. Didn't notice the scar you refer to, but I agree he doesn't look as masculine as previous photos. However, the first thing that came to mind was that perhaps he has AIDS.
:confused:

[panthera]

I don't think so for in that case he wouldn't have said into the camera that he wasn't innocent.
That guy certainly is disturbed enough to fit the profile of a sexual predator, but this doesn't mean it was him.
He looks psychotic. I believe he was so obsessed with JonBenet that he fantasized himself into the role of the perp.Oh, absolutely correct ~ he does fit the profile of the perpetrator! I agree, until we find evidence, my opinion is that he believes he is the perpetrator because of delusional mental disorder.

[southcitymom]

Oh, absolutely correct ~ he does fit the profile of the perpetrator! I agree, until we find evidence, my opinion is that he believes he is the perpetrator because of delusional mental disorder.
I'm with you. Show me some proof...I haven't seen anything impressive yet.

[Maybe So]

I noticed his appearance had changed remarkedly also. Didn't notice the scar you refer to, but I agree he doesn't look as masculine as previous photos. However, the first thing that came to mind was that perhaps he has AIDS.
:confused:

I thought the same thing. He appears to have a skin lesion on his neck and he also appeared to be so weak he was assisted to a chair in the clip I saw.

The man boobs could be from hormone therapy he is taking before having a sex change......wonder will they do that kind of surgery on someone sick with AIDS ?

or the man boobs could be from losing a lot of weight (which can also be from AIDS). Actually I have a brother who had man boobs just about like those and it was from him losing weight. My brother is gay but he hated having boobs and would never take his shirt off in public, not even to swim. Eventually he had liposuction and surgery to have them reduced...it didn't work as well as he hoped although not as noticable as before....some people just have them.

This guy is just so odd. While I hope it is him at the same time I think he is just a kook...but other times I think...maybe just maybe this wierdo is the real thing.

[azwriter]

Kazzbar, you have nailed it! His wife, according to some talking head on TV this morning, indicated they were "dirt-poor" when he was living with them in Ala., so how in the name of all that's holy did this guy own and drive a DeLorean? I had a Dr. friend who had one of those and they were EXPENSIVE! This just doesn't add up. As for all the trips, I'm very puzzled how someone with spotty jobs and virtually hand to mouth could opt to fly to THailand seemingly whenever he wanted?

Here's a question: Do you think he was making trips for a sex change? I was alerted to his scar around the area where the adam's apple should be and he does look as though he's had work done there. Also, his breasts! Eeeewwww! I hate to admit it, but they may be as big as mine! Sure hope that's not true! Plus, he's so thin! Others, who knew him when he was living with his family a few years ago, said he looked quite "normal". He had a stockier build and just appeared to be more "manly".
He appeared in the tapes to be very awkward and uncomfortable. I think I saw a hint of a bullet proof vest on his torso under that ugly shirt. At one time as he sat down, he seemed to move his arm as if to adjust something. Perhaps the vest. And, I agree, he must be in the beginning stages of a sex change.
There would have to be some rock solid DNA or other physical evidence for this nut case to be the one who killed Jonbenet.
JMO

[scandi]

I noticed another thing about him today. I Googled his name and news and up popped several pics of him going down in a row. He has lost a lot of weight as is readily apparent in looking at those photos all down in a line. One place he lost weight is in his neck.

There are two glands in the neck that puff up when one has a disorder. Doctors always feel these glands when you get a physical to see if they are swoolen. His look enlarged - great big.

Do we have a nurse here to see what this means and what it would indicate about his health?

I don't think any doctor would allow an AIDS patient to have a transgender change. That would be craaaaaazy!

Scandi

[Trino]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060817/ids_photos_wl/r2019634468.jpg

Check this image of Karr. He looks normal.

Then check this close-up. Maybe the photographer retouched it, but it looks as if Karr is wearing make-up.

http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=5b065093-3f9d-440a-9b9a-134d221f2096

[doublejack]

JMO, but I believe Karr is completely uninvolved in the death of JBR. He has an obsession with the case and a mental disorder (one of several probably) that makes him believe he did it. I don't think it will take LE too long to clear him, as it should be easily proven he wasn't in Colorado on x-mas in 1996.

[close_enough]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060817/ids_photos_wl/r2019634468.jpg

Check this image of Karr. He looks normal.

Then check this close-up. Maybe the photographer retouched it, but it looks as if Karr is wearing make-up.

http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=5b065093-3f9d-440a-9b9a-134d221f2096

most likely, he does wear make up....there's been a couple of pics where it looked like it, to me..

[panthera]

What a wimpish way to get out of Thailand when you know your butt will be thrown into a jail there for other charges. Evil.What charges was he facing in Thailand?
:confused:

[close_enough]

What charges was he facing in Thailand?
:confused:

none that i've heard....
other than a blurb early on, about there being "immigration issues"...a correspondent in Bangkok simply called Karr "an undesirable"...

[kazzbar]

none that i've heard....
other than a blurb early on, about there being "immigration issues"...a correspondent in Bangkok simply called Karr "an undesirable"...Non, the thai's were just glad to be rid of him. I did hear they were investigating something but as yet nothing has come of it and it may have been media hoop-la.Just for the record I think he looks better with the make-up.

[panthera]

none that i've heard....
other than a blurb early on, about there being "immigration issues"...a correspondent in Bangkok simply called Karr "an undesirable"...So he wouldn't be confessing to this murder to avoid jail in Thailand. The only thing I'd heard was that the Boulder CO authorities had tracked him to Thailand, alerted the LE officials there that he was a possible suspect in the murder, and that made the Thai LE start watching him.

[JBean]

What charges was he facing in Thailand?
:confused:no charges in Thailand.

[close_enough]

So he wouldn't be confessing to this murder to avoid jail in Thailand. The only thing I'd heard was that the Boulder CO authorities had tracked him to Thailand, alerted the LE officials there that he was a possible suspect in the murder, and that made the Thai LE start watching him.

right, that's how i understand it also...

[close_enough]

Non, the thai's were just glad to be rid of him. I did hear they were investigating something but as yet nothing has come of it and it may have been media hoop-la.Just for the record I think he looks better with the make-up.

lol, i do too!

[aspidistra]

It occurrred to me just yesterday that he had mascara and eyeliner on in all the pictures. This is what gave him the weird stare. Now in the sheriff's mug shot it looks like the make up is a little messy! Will it eventually wear off? Will they take away the mascara?

[BillyGoatGruff]

It occurrred to me just yesterday that he had mascara and eyeliner on in all the pictures. This is what gave him the weird stare. Now in the sheriff's mug shot it looks like the make up is a little messy! Will it eventually wear off? Will they take away the mascara?
It may very well be tattooed on.