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laini
08-24-2006, 05:34 PM
www.whereisgloriajean.com (http://www.whereisgloriajean.com)

GOLDHEARTNUMB
08-26-2006, 09:48 PM
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BAIRD/1998-02/0886482836

I found this while googling the name.

The post is stating she is her daughter. In it she says 1970 as the year missing.
I'll look around some more.

GOLDHEARTNUMB
08-26-2006, 10:02 PM
http://www.doenetwork.us/nampn/cases/baird_gloria_j.html

laini
08-26-2006, 10:49 PM
Thanks GoldHeartNumb. I hadn't seen those.

GOLDHEARTNUMB
09-03-2006, 02:04 PM
After doing some research and talking with Gloria's daughter, there are a few more facts about this woman that may help with not only the ultimate goal of finding out what happen and where is Gloria, but also for her daughter to find out something about her mother. Here are a few more items that give a bit more information.

The VW Beetle car was believed to be light blue and it is not sure where the car was found. I'm sure this information is out there somewhere, maybe in the police report. Apparently, once the car was recovered it was given to Gloria's father. The car was listed as being in his name. He in turn allegeded gave it or sold it to his brother who in turn gave it to his daughter.

The known bases that Gloria was stationed were:

Ft. Benjamin Harrison - Indiana (I believe that base is now closed.)

Ft. McClellan - Alabama

She may have had some type of clerical training for the army.

The dates she was in the army before being listed as AWOL once she did not return from an approved leave in December of 1969 was 8/69 thru 12/69. 4-5 months

Gloria attended Glynn Academy in Brunswick, GA but most likely may have dropped out in the 12th grade. Official transcripts are not available because the school system will not release them to anyone but the person. (Which is the way it should be.)

People Gloria was to have known contact with:

Dr. George Smith - New Orleans, LA
Lt. Hallan Bridges - New Orleans, LA

Mrs. Ruth Adams - East Point, GA (Gloria lived with her and possibly worked with her at the Georgia Baptist Hospital)

Iris Blitch - GA Congresswoman - I think she was simply a friend of the family

Toney or Tony Adams - East Point, GA ( Gloria claimed to have "loved" him.)
James Adams - East Point, GA
Johnny Adams - East Point, GA
Butch & Norma Adams - East Point, GA
PeWee & Brenda Adams - East Point, GA
Craig Anderson - Boston, MA
Jimmy Weaver - Prichard, Alabama

Jackie Goodman - East Point, GA (Johnny Clyde's sister)
Johnny Clyde Goodman - East Point, GA (Married Gloria, marriage was apparently illegal as Johnny was married to someone else, but a divorce was was given through a "Divorce Decree" on Feb. 14, 1969, and were only married 10 days.)

Buster - Norfolk, Virginia (Ihave no idea if it's the first or last name, I assume it was his first name because he wrote to Gloria using that name.)


It was also known that Jackie Goodman was in attendance of the party that Gloria was last seen. It has also been stated that Gloria left that party with three men.

It has been said by Gloria's daughter that Gloria's parents were known to have associated with influential people and allied with the Atlanta Mayor, members of Congress, and police officials.

Any help trying to learn more about these people would be greatly appreciated.

Richard
09-04-2006, 08:44 AM
Unfortunately, there was a big fire in St. Louis, MO in July 1973 which destroyed many Army and Air Force Personnel Records which were archived there in the National Military Personnel Records Center. There are, however, some redundant records available to search, such as unit rosters, etc.

Since Gloria was in the Army and is listed as AWOL and as a Deserter, the Army's Criminal Investigation Division (CID) would still list her and might even have records of some sort on her. The practice in all branches of the armed forces is to declare a person AWOL when they are noticed to be missing, and 60 days later, declare them a Deserter.

Even though there might be some evidence of foul play, certain regulations and procedures are followed. After so many days, notices are sent to family stating that the person is AWOL and that if he/she does not turn himself/herself in within 60 days, the servicemember will be declared a deserter. The family is not given any death benefits or insurance payments. They are not even given an American Flag or marker for a ceremony.

There is usually not much of an effort expended by the military to try to find AWOL persons. I have never seen an AWOL case listed by any branch of the armed forces as a "missing person" case on any websites. In fact, they often do not pursue any leads about these missing persons beyond maintaining very accurate lists of all "deserters". These lists go back to the Korean War.

GOLDHEARTNUMB
09-05-2006, 11:21 AM
Thank you Richard.

I do know that the FBI did some investigation into this situation but I was told that they weren't very helpful when GJB's daughter called to inquire about it. I do know she (Daughter) mentioned to me that Johnny Clyde's sister, Jackie was interviewed, his mother, and GJB's first husband. (I'll need to go back and review my notes, which are in my car right now.) Is that normal for the FBI to not discuss a case with even a family member?

There was also mentioned that GJB's mother & father had a family friend that was "high up" on the police force ( I don't know which LE it was, Atlanta or else where.) that "looked into" GJB's case. (According to GJB's daughter, but she cannot recall his name or anything else.)

I was wondering if the Atlanta or East Point LE might have a record of where the car was located. Any ideas on how to find that out? I suppose a phone call or email to ask if there is a record would be the start.

There has to be a trail somewhere...

Richard
09-06-2006, 01:30 PM
...I do know that the FBI did some investigation into this situation but I was told that they weren't very helpful when GJB's daughter called to inquire about it. I do know she (Daughter) mentioned to me that Johnny Clyde's sister, Jackie was interviewed, his mother, and GJB's first husband. (I'll need to go back and review my notes, which are in my car right now.) Is that normal for the FBI to not discuss a case with even a family member?... I was wondering if the Atlanta or East Point LE might have a record of where the car was located. Any ideas on how to find that out? I suppose a phone call or email to ask if there is a record would be the start.
There has to be a trail somewhere...
I do not know how far back the specific local police keep records, or what their procedures are for seeing them. The FBI, however, is a FEDERAL government organization. As such, they are bound by both the Privacy Act, and the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) of 1974. A family member should write a letter to the FBI's Freedom of Information Act contact requesting a complete copy of their files on this investigation, specifically stating in the letter that it is a FOIA request.

The FBI has an official website which might provide some addresses and necessary procedures/forms.

Paradise
09-07-2006, 12:54 AM
My dad was stationed at Ft. McClellan, AL in the late 60's and he just told me a couple weeks ago that it closed sometime around 1995. He said they had an Army Chemical school and also a Military Police school there and they were both moved to different locations.

GOLDHEARTNUMB
09-12-2006, 01:14 PM
I did finally find Gloria Jean's picture in the 1964 Glynn Academy Year book. (It took some digging to locate a yearbook finally... but I found it.) This would have been her Junior year. She appeared in only the 1964 book and not in any of the years previous or after. In this year book I also found she was a member of PAL (Pan American League) and took Spanish. I know these things don't help find her, but it does help her daughter know more about her mother. I got copies of the pages that she appeared on and will be forwarding those to her daughter.

Additional Info about GJB's father... Dr. Joseph Baird was a dentist.

I have also managed to locate a few people that may have known Gloria in school and have so far only spoken to one of them. She said she was going to do a little bit of asking around with other classmates to hopefully locate others that may have spent time with Gloria. (This lady was in the same year as Gloria and remembers both Gloria and her sister.)

So far this is as much as I have been able to work on. Hopefully, I'll be able to contact a few other people listed in the yearbook soon.

GOLDHEARTNUMB
09-14-2006, 11:01 AM
Gloria was known to have dated "Navy guys" from the Glynco Naval Airstation while in High Scool.



(Just adding here and there when I find out things...)

GOLDHEARTNUMB
09-19-2006, 10:15 AM
Any ideas on how to go about tracking down people at the party Gloria was last seen attending?

GOLDHEARTNUMB
09-21-2006, 03:17 PM
http://www.ganet.org/gbi/uiddetail.cgi?idnum=129

http://www.ganet.org/gbi/uiddetail.cgi?idnum=122

GBI Unidentified remains for white females that might fit...

Stephanie.Evins
10-24-2006, 01:23 AM
Hi! This is Gloria's daughter. This is very interesting. The FBI did in fact attempt to track Gloria down. They visited my dad in the Virgin Islands. Before they talked to him, they talked to my step-mother, who pointed me out as Gloria's daughter. They visited Gloria's sister in Southern California. I'm not sure who else they talked to. Seems odd that you claim that they never really search....when the FBI seemed to be all over it. I checked with the FBI office in Atlanta and they claim they never searched for Gloria; however, I tried to get the FBI out of the Southern California town where my aunt lived and they flat out refused to provide me with any information unless I could prove that she was dead. I was even told that they are keeping my papers that I have submitted to them. Uh, ok. I spoke to my congressman and was told that the FBI would never disclose information to me. The military is also requiring that I prove that she's passed away before they will change Gloria's dishonorable discharge status to something else. Oh, and here's another crazy thing, Gloria went missing in 1969, the military sent her parents a letter on 01/13/70 asking them to turn over Gloria. My grandfather wrote them back on 02/06/70 and said that he didn't know where she was and that she was suppose to come over for Christmas and never did. On 05/02/83, the army wrote Gloria a letter and sent it to her parent's home. In that letter, it states that on 09/30/82, the army had notified her (Gloria) that she was eligible for discharge from service with the US Army. She was given the option to state her case in order to avoid a dishonorable discharge. The Army never received a response. This letter reports that her discharge was to be effective on 05/02/83. I actually have the Dishonorable Discharge document! My grandmother gave it to me and I haven't been able to fathom the length of time it took to get this discharge and my mind spins at the thought of the FBI looking for her.


Unfortunately, there was a big fire in St. Louis, MO in July 1973 which destroyed many Army and Air Force Personnel Records which were archived there in the National Military Personnel Records Center. There are, however, some redundant records available to search, such as unit rosters, etc.

Since Gloria was in the Army and is listed as AWOL and as a Deserter, the Army's Criminal Investigation Division (CID) would still list her and might even have records of some sort on her. The practice in all branches of the armed forces is to declare a person AWOL when they are noticed to be missing, and 60 days later, declare them a Deserter.

Even though there might be some evidence of foul play, certain regulations and procedures are followed. After so many days, notices are sent to family stating that the person is AWOL and that if he/she does not turn himself/herself in within 60 days, the servicemember will be declared a deserter. The family is not given any death benefits or insurance payments. They are not even given an American Flag or marker for a ceremony.

There is usually not much of an effort expended by the military to try to find AWOL persons. I have never seen an AWOL case listed by any branch of the armed forces as a "missing person" case on any websites. In fact, they often do not pursue any leads about these missing persons beyond maintaining very accurate lists of all "deserters". These lists go back to the Korean War.

Stephanie.Evins
10-24-2006, 01:28 AM
I'm not certain that the FBI talked to Johnny Goodman's family about Gloria. Johnny Clyde Goodman also (alleged by his brother) went AWOL around the same time that Gloria did. They were from different military installations. He was in East Point, GA and she was from Fort McClellan, AL. The FBI visited Johnny's family to ask about him and I'm not certain that they asked about Gloria.


Thank you Richard.

I do know that the FBI did some investigation into this situation but I was told that they weren't very helpful when GJB's daughter called to inquire about it. I do know she (Daughter) mentioned to me that Johnny Clyde's sister, Jackie was interviewed, his mother, and GJB's first husband. (I'll need to go back and review my notes, which are in my car right now.) Is that normal for the FBI to not discuss a case with even a family member?

There was also mentioned that GJB's mother & father had a family friend that was "high up" on the police force ( I don't know which LE it was, Atlanta or else where.) that "looked into" GJB's case. (According to GJB's daughter, but she cannot recall his name or anything else.)

I was wondering if the Atlanta or East Point LE might have a record of where the car was located. Any ideas on how to find that out? I suppose a phone call or email to ask if there is a record would be the start.

There has to be a trail somewhere...

Stephanie.Evins
10-24-2006, 01:31 AM
Nope. Tried this. The Freedom of Information Act request didn't work. I have to prove that she's dead before they will disclose anything. :banghead:


I do not know how far back the specific local police keep records, or what their procedures are for seeing them. The FBI, however, is a FEDERAL government organization. As such, they are bound by both the Privacy Act, and the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) of 1974. A family member should write a letter to the FBI's Freedom of Information Act contact requesting a complete copy of their files on this investigation, specifically stating in the letter that it is a FOIA request.

The FBI has an official website which might provide some addresses and necessary procedures/forms.

Stephanie.Evins
10-24-2006, 01:44 AM
Interesting. I just took a closer look at her military records. Her Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty, reports that she had 7 weeks of "Clerical Typing and Proc." - "7 weeks - 1969/NOTHING FOLLOWS". "Time lost before normal expiration of term of service: 956 days." "Time lost after normal expiration of term of service 19 August 1972: 3,903 days".

I would like to know where she was prior to those 7 weeks of clerical typing, why did her time expire on 08/19/72 and why did her discharge occur on 05/02/83.


My dad was stationed at Ft. McClellan, AL in the late 60's and he just told me a couple weeks ago that it closed sometime around 1995. He said they had an Army Chemical school and also a Military Police school there and they were both moved to different locations.

Stephanie.Evins
10-24-2006, 01:48 AM
Thank you so much! Interesting that her picture doesn't appear before or after 1964. I look forward to seeing these pages.


I did finally find Gloria Jean's picture in the 1964 Glynn Academy Year book. (It took some digging to locate a yearbook finally... but I found it.) This would have been her Junior year. She appeared in only the 1964 book and not in any of the years previous or after. In this year book I also found she was a member of PAL (Pan American League) and took Spanish. I know these things don't help find her, but it does help her daughter know more about her mother. I got copies of the pages that she appeared on and will be forwarding those to her daughter.

Additional Info about GJB's father... Dr. Joseph Baird was a dentist.

I have also managed to locate a few people that may have known Gloria in school and have so far only spoken to one of them. She said she was going to do a little bit of asking around with other classmates to hopefully locate others that may have spent time with Gloria. (This lady was in the same year as Gloria and remembers both Gloria and her sister.)

So far this is as much as I have been able to work on. Hopefully, I'll be able to contact a few other people listed in the yearbook soon.
:)

Stephanie.Evins
10-24-2006, 01:54 AM
The only person I can think of to talk to is Johnny Clyde's sister, Jackie. I have asked his brother (Jimmy) twice to have Jackie contact me and have never heard a response. I spoke with Jimmy last year, who contacted Jackie. Jackie remembered Gloria having left with 3 men from a party (what??) 36 years later?? I heard that same story from Gloria's sister (my aunt) about 10 years ago. I'm not trying to question what people are telling me. I just find it interesting. I can barely remember a party that I went to last month.


Any ideas on how to go about tracking down people at the party Gloria was last seen attending?
:banghead:

Stephanie.Evins
10-24-2006, 02:00 AM
Received an e-mail regarding a Florida detective who believes that Gloria fits the profile of a certain Jane Doe who was found in Florida in 1971. I don't feel comfortable giving up too much information about that yet until I actually talk to the detective and supply a DNA sample. Gloria had family in Florida and was reported to have possibly been seen on a Greyhound bus between Jacksonville and Georgia, although there's no guarantee that the girl was her. Anyway, it's a longshot and I'm very skeptical; but, it's something. I'm going to keep looking meanwhile and I'm going to work on making people more aware of the missing, even if it is her.


http://www.ganet.org/gbi/uiddetail.cgi?idnum=129

http://www.ganet.org/gbi/uiddetail.cgi?idnum=122

GBI Unidentified remains for white females that might fit...
:silenced:

docwho3
10-24-2006, 03:04 AM
Received an e-mail regarding a Florida detective who believes that Gloria fits the profile of a certain Jane Doe who was found in Florida in 1971. I don't feel comfortable giving up too much information about that yet until I actually talk to the detective and supply a DNA sample. Gloria had family in Florida and was reported to have possibly been seen on a Greyhound bus between Jacksonville and Georgia, although there's no guarantee that the girl was her. Anyway, it's a longshot and I'm very skeptical; but, it's something. I'm going to keep looking meanwhile and I'm going to work on making people more aware of the missing, even if it is her.


:silenced: Has DNA been been entered into the national missing person database to help find her? If not others here might be able to point you in the right direction to get that done.

Stephanie.Evins
10-24-2006, 08:48 AM
No, my DNA hasn't been logged in anywhere. I'd love to take care of that. I was planning on just having the detective tell me how to go about doing that; but, if anyone knows, I'd appreciate the info. I realize it seems odd that this hasn't been done before; but, I have only recently decided to go public with her story. I had posted a thing here and there on the Net in the past; but, I never expected to open it up as much as I have.


Has DNA been been entered into the national missing person database to help find her? If not others here might be able to point you in the right direction to get that done.

docwho3
10-24-2006, 10:15 AM
No, my DNA hasn't been logged in anywhere. I'd love to take care of that. I was planning on just having the detective tell me how to go about doing that; but, if anyone knows, I'd appreciate the info. I realize it seems odd that this hasn't been done before; but, I have only recently decided to go public with her story. I had posted a thing here and there on the Net in the past; but, I never expected to open it up as much as I have.
I don't know all the details but I found a few things on the web:

https://mavdisk.mnsu.edu/bittid/fbinationaldnadatabse.htm
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel05/regionalmtdnalabs110205.htm

Richard
10-24-2006, 12:45 PM
Interesting. I just took a closer look at her military records. Her Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty, reports that she had 7 weeks of "Clerical Typing and Proc." - "7 weeks - 1969/NOTHING FOLLOWS". "Time lost before normal expiration of term of service: 956 days." "Time lost after normal expiration of term of service 19 August 1972: 3,903 days".

I would like to know where she was prior to those 7 weeks of clerical typing, why did her time expire on 08/19/72 and why did her discharge occur on 05/02/83.
Gloria would have first gone through about 8 to 12 weeks of Army "boot camp" which is the basic military training that all new recruits go through. That is where they learn military history, courtesy, traditions, orders, marching, and such. Upon graduation from boot camp, soldiers are sent on for specific schools or training in the Military Occupation Specialty (MOS) that they will be assigned to. This would have been the Clerical Typing and Procedures Classes that she attended.

As to WHERE her boot camp was and where her Clerical school was, that would be in her record, both in the orders section, and probably in other places. The Army had several large boot camps in 1969, but probably only one for women recruits. I will look into it and see if I can find out where that was.

Soldiers enlist for a specific time frame. Back in 1969, I believe that it was a three year enlistment for Army, while other branches usually had four year enlistments. There was a war in Viet Nam, and the draft (for men) was at its peak about that time. The date of her enlistment would have determined when her EAOS (end of obligated service) was.

When a service member goes AWOL or UA, the time that they are missing does not count as "good time" toward that enlistment. So the letter that you refer to means that she "lost" 956 days of her enlistment time by being absent or missing. Because they decided to give her a discharge and take her off the books in 1983, they had to account for the time between her EAOS date and the date of discharge. Thus the extra "3,903 days" that she didn't serve.

It would seem that she was one day short of 10 weeks of active service when she disappeared.

In 1976, while Gerald Ford was still President, he initiated a pardon procedure for Vietnam War Draft Dodgers and Deserters to return to the United States and turn them selves in. Jimmy Carter, upon entering office, made the program much broader, pardoning all Draft Dodgers and Deserters. Still there was some sort of a time limit and it was probably after that limit expired that the Army/FBI decided to "clear the books" of all outstanding AWOL/Desertion cases. Thus the letter and the subsequent discharge.

The Army and the FBI have put you in the classic position of "Catch 22". They have assumed that Gloria intentionally deserted the army and intentionally refused to return when given the chance (their letter to your grandparents).

Now the burden of proof is on YOU to show that she is dead before they will even talk to you!? How convenient for them. When neither the Army nor the great and powerful FBI can find their own butts with both hands, they insist that Gloria's daughter do their work for them. Who's on First?

What can you do about this? Several things.

First, you could go to court and request that your mother be legally declared dead, based on the circumstances and her long absence. Also, get the court to recognize you as her closest living heir and relative. This would remove any legal barriers thrown up by the Army or the FBI regarding the Privacy Act (which is what they probably cited in their refusal to release her records to you).

Second, petition the Military Court of Appeals on her behalf to remove/reverse
her Dishonorable Discharge. She cannot be tried in abstentia, and a Dishonorable Discharge can only be awarded by a Military Court Martial.

If her discharge was not actually a Dishonorable Discharge, then it might have been one of the administrative types of discharge, like a General Discharge under Honorable Conditions, or an "Undesirable Discharge" (now called a discharge under conditions "Other than Honorable"). If this is the case, there is an administrative procedure to appeal the discharge, but you might still need to go through the Army Judge Advocate General system.

Third, as already mentioned, get your DNA into the missing person data base. As her daughter, your Mitocondrial DNA is identical to hers. Your specific DNA will also be a match with hers. This will provide a way of matching any potential Jane Does to Gloria.

SouthernBell
10-30-2006, 02:09 PM
Anybody heard anything lately on Gloria Jean?

Richard
10-30-2006, 09:54 PM
Gloria Jean Baird, US Army
Classification: Missing

Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance
Missing Since: December 1969 from Georgia
Date Of Birth: November 26, 1946
Age: 23
Height: 5'3"
Weight: 107 lbs
Hair Color: Light Brown
Eye Color: Blue
Race: White
Gender: Female
AKA: Gloria Jean Goodman

Details of Disappearance
While on approved leave from the United States Army, Gloria Jean vanished. She was allegedly last seen at a party in Atlanta, Georgia around Christmas 1969. Her abandoned Volkswagen Beetle was found on the side of a road in Georgia. She married an individual named Johnny Clyde Goodman in February 1969; the marriage lasted approximately a week. He and Gloria were both reported as AWOL from the Army in December 1969. Goodman had an extensive criminal history including bigamy - he was married to another woman when he married Gloria Jean. Goodman died on 02/11/00.

Source Information
Where Is Gloria
Gloria Jean Baird
North American Missing Persons Network NAMPN

Link:
http://www.doenetwork.us/nampn/cases/baird_gloria_j.html

poppypetals
02-04-2007, 08:03 PM
Just found this, it probably has no significance, as he was a child at this time:



New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Immigration

Name: Martin M Siegel
Birth: 1 Jan 1945 - North Carolina
Departure: Bremerhaven, Germany
Arrival: 14 Aug 1948 - New York, New Yor

poppypetals
02-04-2007, 08:04 PM
Does anyone know where Johny Goodman died ?

poppypetals
02-04-2007, 08:07 PM
Name: Martin M Siegel
Birth: 1 Jan 1945
Residence: Tulsa, Tulsa, Oklahoma

It has an address which I will not post, but phone is unlisted.

poppypetals
02-04-2007, 08:17 PM
Was Johny's name actually James Clyde Goodman Jr. ?? I found a listing of a man having been born in 1942, and having died in Indiana in 2000 by this name.

itsreenw
02-04-2007, 11:38 PM
Was Gloria ever in the beauty pageant circuit?

concernedperson
02-04-2007, 11:55 PM
Gloria Jean Baird, US Army
Classification: Missing

Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance
Missing Since: December 1969 from Georgia
Date Of Birth: November 26, 1946
Age: 23
Height: 5'3"
Weight: 107 lbs
Hair Color: Light Brown
Eye Color: Blue
Race: White
Gender: Female
AKA: Gloria Jean Goodman

Details of Disappearance
While on approved leave from the United States Army, Gloria Jean vanished. She was allegedly last seen at a party in Atlanta, Georgia around Christmas 1969. Her abandoned Volkswagen Beetle was found on the side of a road in Georgia. She married an individual named Johnny Clyde Goodman in February 1969; the marriage lasted approximately a week. He and Gloria were both reported as AWOL from the Army in December 1969. Goodman had an extensive criminal history including bigamy - he was married to another woman when he married Gloria Jean. Goodman died on 02/11/00.

Source Information
Where Is Gloria
Gloria Jean Baird
North American Missing Persons Network NAMPN

Link:
http://www.doenetwork.us/nampn/cases/baird_gloria_j.html''Thank you for never losing sight of the victims. This is a formidable task. I was a kid when this happened but I am reeling that I didn't know and didn't know where to read.Everyone who is lost is in my prayers tonight. There are times when you just look at all the horror and see you missed another. This person is just as importent as the last.

There are souls who need justice and there are so many that need prayers. Just to wake up in the morning and deal is task but to learn that someone is missing and no one knows where they are.How terrible is that?

KarlK
02-05-2007, 12:41 AM
Now the burden of proof is on YOU to show that she is dead before they will even talk to you!? How convenient for them. When neither the Army nor the great and powerful FBI can find their own butts with both hands, they insist that Gloria's daughter do their work for them. Who's on First?In all fairness, it seems to me that the FBI and the Army followed standard procedure during their investigation of GJB's disappearance. They were working an AWOL case, not a possible abduction or murder case, since the events surrounding Gloria's vanishing did not fall under federal or JAG jusrisdiction, as it was a local/state police matter. I don't see how one can blame the FBI for not wanting to bend the rules when it's the failure of a local PD to solve or close a case that lead to the present situation.

It seems the only options left if one is to gain access to federal files are to either ID a body as that of Gloria (unlikely) or have her declared officially deceased.

Tuffy101
02-12-2007, 06:08 PM
I want to know about this case and for what ever reason can not open up my web to the doe network....going directly to this i see No ref.to this person.....is there a link on this WS site...for just what this person looked like........I googled her name found a photo...is there one of the RE:husband?????

the date is interesting to me.....am searching around this site....you posted for the Sharon Marshall Case..........http://sharonmarshall.homestead.com/index.html (http://http://sharonmarshall.homestead.com/index.html)

this is a web page for her......

poppypetals
02-12-2007, 06:45 PM
Tuffy, here's where the page used to be, it still has all the info, just no picture http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:sVyrZyiVFEgJ:www.doenetwork.us/nampn/cases/baird_gloria_j.html+Gloria+Jean+Baird&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Richard
02-12-2007, 09:27 PM
In all fairness, it seems to me that the FBI and the Army followed standard procedure during their investigation of GJB's disappearance. They were working an AWOL case, not a possible abduction or murder case, since the events surrounding Gloria's vanishing did not fall under federal or JAG jusrisdiction, as it was a local/state police matter. I don't see how one can blame the FBI for not wanting to bend the rules when it's the failure of a local PD to solve or close a case that lead to the present situation.

It seems the only options left if one is to gain access to federal files are to either ID a body as that of Gloria (unlikely) or have her declared officially deceased.
You hit the nail on the head, but it is a sort of Catch 22 story. Her disappearance (AWOL/Desertion) actually DOES fall under Army Criminal Investigation Division (CID) and FBI jurisdiction. And as you point out, that is about all the two agencies care about it. They view it in terms of it being a case of AWOL initially and do little about it but document her absence. Then after 60 days with no reappearance, it becomes a case of Desertion.

But again, it is mainly a documentation game and things are done administratively. There is really little effort made to ever locate Deserters. But the really sad part is that the Military and the FBI generally do Very Little to involve the local police with what is, in fact, a Missing Person Case.

Incidentally, JAG is a Navy acronym for their Judge Advocate General Corps. JAG does not investigate missing persons (Desertion) cases for the Navy, the Naval Investigative Service (NIS) does.

I believe that there may be some procedures for Gloria's daughter to follow which will allow her to pursue her mother's disappearance. Locating her Service Record would be a start. Involving her Congressman or Senator would also be a route to go.

Declaring a person officially deceased is something which could be pursued, but it would not change Gloria's status with CID or the FBI in any way.

poppypetals
02-12-2007, 10:10 PM
The thing I don't understand about this case, is the inferrence is made that she went with Goodman, it says they were both AWOL. Why is there no information as to what happened with him, was he reprimanded ? Was he found shortly afterwards or never ? Was he questioned about her disappearance ? It would be interesting also to know where exactly her car was found and if there was any evidence or clues therein.

Tuffy101
02-13-2007, 01:24 PM
Searched better part of the Day....found this Photo...I am now looking for Goodmans Photo......

GOLDHEARTNUMB
03-22-2007, 08:15 PM
It's been awhile since I've been on and thought I'd bump it. I also wanted to let Gloria's daughter know that I still have the yearbook pictures (still haven't gotten to a scanner yet...). I'm still asking around but haven't gotten a lot of response, but I'll keep at it. By the way... my e-mail is the same... lol... I'm just working a lot more... but you are still welcome to e-mail :)

Stephanie.Evins
04-13-2007, 09:47 PM
I have to step away from this every now and then to keep my sanity. I am so shocked and amazed that this group is still talking and asking questions about Gloria Jean. I can't thank you enough. I am contacting the FBI in order to add my DNA sample to the Nationwide database. :) If anyone ever wants to reach me personally, they can do so by e-mail at stephanie@whereisgloriajean.com. I check that daily.


I don't know all the details but I found a few things on the web:

https://mavdisk.mnsu.edu/bittid/fbinationaldnadatabse.htm
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel05/regionalmtdnalabs110205.htm

Stephanie.Evins
04-14-2007, 12:08 AM
The reason I brought up the FBI was to say that if they couldn't find her, how could they declare her AWOL or as a deserter? I understand the beauocracy issue. They were merely attempting to locate someone; however, they didn't locate her and still decided to assume that she left willingly. AWOL (Absent Without Leave) implies that someone decided to leave and not return. There is no evidence to show that she did this. Her car was found abandoned. She hasn't been seen since the party in 1969. Ok, one hand doesn't talk to the other. Happens. I have attempted to talk to the FBI to no avail. I have attempted to talk to the police; however, since a police report wasn't filed (I don't know why), the case won't be re-opened (according to the Atlanta Police Department). Anyway, I'm getting off the mark.... The FBI visited my father, my step-mother, my grandparents and my aunt and as far as I know, they stopped there. Perhaps it was merely protocol. My problem with that is that by assuming she became listed as a deserter or AWOL, it's implied that she attempted to do something illegal. This is hurtful to not only me but also to my grandmother (grandfather now deceased). It's embarassing and it's frustrating. It's embarassing because the family is left with this negative implication and it's frustrating because I, her own daughter, cannot get straightforward answers.

Stephanie.Evins
04-14-2007, 12:10 AM
:banghead: The reason I brought up the FBI was to say that if they couldn't find her, how could they declare her AWOL or as a deserter? I understand the beauocracy issue. They were merely attempting to locate someone; however, they didn't locate her and still decided to assume that she left willingly. AWOL (Absent Without Leave) implies that someone decided to leave and not return. There is no evidence to show that she did this. Her car was found abandoned. She hasn't been seen since the party in 1969. Ok, one hand doesn't talk to the other. Happens. I have attempted to talk to the FBI to no avail. I have attempted to talk to the police; however, since a police report wasn't filed (I don't know why), the case won't be re-opened (according to the Atlanta Police Department). Anyway, I'm getting off the mark.... The FBI visited my father, my step-mother, my grandparents and my aunt and as far as I know, they stopped there. Perhaps it was merely protocol. My problem with that is that by assuming she became listed as a deserter or AWOL, it's implied that she attempted to do something illegal. This is hurtful to not only me but also to my grandmother (grandfather now deceased). It's embarassing and it's frustrating. It's embarassing because the family is left with this negative implication and it's frustrating because I, her own daughter, cannot get straightforward answers.

Stephanie.Evins
04-14-2007, 12:19 AM
Thanks Richard - I did obtain her service record. It didn't offer me much use. I contacted my congressman and I was provided documentation to assist in getting a hearing to discuss the possibility of changing her AWOL status. I turned it in and it was returned stating that I needed a death certificate..... I moved and wrote to my new congressman and with their help, I'm attempting again, although I'm not expecting much to come of it. I was informed by my congressman's assistant that there was a span of time where the military was cleaning up their files and probably just came across the case in the early 1980's and pretty much just stamped it AWOL in order to get it off their desk. I'm also told that the military gets many requests like mine; so, it could be a really long wait. Regardless, I'm trying.


You hit the nail on the head, but it is a sort of Catch 22 story. Her disappearance (AWOL/Desertion) actually DOES fall under Army Criminal Investigation Division (CID) and FBI jurisdiction. And as you point out, that is about all the two agencies care about it. They view it in terms of it being a case of AWOL initially and do little about it but document her absence. Then after 60 days with no reappearance, it becomes a case of Desertion.

But again, it is mainly a documentation game and things are done administratively. There is really little effort made to ever locate Deserters. But the really sad part is that the Military and the FBI generally do Very Little to involve the local police with what is, in fact, a Missing Person Case.

Incidentally, JAG is a Navy acronym for their Judge Advocate General Corps. JAG does not investigate missing persons (Desertion) cases for the Navy, the Naval Investigative Service (NIS) does.

I believe that there may be some procedures for Gloria's daughter to follow which will allow her to pursue her mother's disappearance. Locating her Service Record would be a start. Involving her Congressman or Senator would also be a route to go.

Declaring a person officially deceased is something which could be pursued, but it would not change Gloria's status with CID or the FBI in any way.

Stephanie.Evins
04-14-2007, 12:33 AM
Johnny Goodman past away on 02/11/00. According to his brother, he was found in the woods with a few cents in his pocket. He has quite the criminal history (DUI, check fraud, bigamy). His criminal career appears to have begun on 12/16/69; however, I cannot tell what he was charged with. This might have been an arrest due to his AWOL issue, although I'm not sure how that works. Wouldn't that be a military arrest? His brother told me that the FBI visited them in December, 1969....if memory serves me. I'm not sure whether he was questioned about Gloria, although I would assume they would. It's that type of question I asked the FBI in the first place. Atlanta FBI claims they never investigated her though. I've been trying to get information about the car. It's been so long though that information doesn't seem to exist anymore. I'd love to know whether it was investigated for clues if it was abandoned. All I've ever heard is that my grandfather was notified (he owned the car) and he sold it to a family member. I spoke to the family member's daughter, who gained ownership of the car, and she doesn't know anything about where the car was found, except for a memory of it being found in Florida. Others adamently tell me that it was found in Georgia......


The thing I don't understand about this case, is the inferrence is made that she went with Goodman, it says they were both AWOL. Why is there no information as to what happened with him, was he reprimanded ? Was he found shortly afterwards or never ? Was he questioned about her disappearance ? It would be interesting also to know where exactly her car was found and if there was any evidence or clues therein.

Stephanie.Evins
04-14-2007, 12:40 AM
For some reason, I don't have the right privileges to see my mom's photo. Can I get some help?


Searched better part of the Day....found this Photo...I am now looking for Goodmans Photo......

Stephanie.Evins
04-14-2007, 12:45 AM
Wow! Heehee. This is my father. He's a good guy. He was left caring for me when my mother left and it wasn't easy, to say the least.


Just found this, it probably has no significance, as he was a child at this time:



New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Immigration

Name: Martin M Siegel
Birth: 1 Jan 1945 - North Carolina
Departure: Bremerhaven, Germany
Arrival: 14 Aug 1948 - New York, New Yor

Stephanie.Evins
04-14-2007, 12:49 AM
He died around Atlanta, GA. Not sure if it was in Atlanta, Marrieta or another town around Atlanta. His family lives in that area too.

One thing I want to learn is who he was married to before he married my mom..... I'd love to talk to her.


Does anyone know where Johny Goodman died ?

KarlK
04-14-2007, 12:54 AM
Incidentally, JAG is a Navy acronym for their Judge Advocate General Corps.

I know that, for some reason when I wrote the post I typed JAG instead of CID, I wasn't paying close attention.

kylie
04-14-2007, 01:13 AM
This might be a really dumb question, but have you checked to see if there is any activity on her social security card? Have you tried to track her down using a private detective? I know that can be expensive..........Has her family in Florida been contacted recently?

kylie
04-14-2007, 01:21 AM
portlandchurch.org


Scroll down to the two couples at the Marriage Retreat....Check out the woman. in the couple on the left..I know it says Al and Gloria Baird so that is probably his name but still................see a resemblance?

Stephanie.Evins
04-14-2007, 02:42 AM
There are no dumb questions. Yes. I have checked her Social Security information through the Social Security Administration. Learned that her card had not been used since 1969. Yes, I have contacted a private detective. There's not much out there. I spoke to the Florida family members about, uh 10 years ago. The person that claimed to know my mother has passed away.


This might be a really dumb question, but have you checked to see if there is any activity on her social security card? Have you tried to track her down using a private detective? I know that can be expensive..........Has her family in Florida been contacted recently?

Stephanie.Evins
04-14-2007, 02:43 AM
Ah, no. I've looked into this already. Thanks though!

portlandchurch.org


Scroll down to the two couples at the Marriage Retreat....Check out the woman. in the couple on the left..I know it says Al and Gloria Baird so that is probably his name but still................see a resemblance?

Stephanie.Evins
04-14-2007, 05:30 PM
Here's some information on Johnny Clyde Goodman:

Born: 01/20/51; Died 02/11/00

Georgia Criminal Offenses range from DUI, Bad Checks, Motor Vehicle Theft, Bigamy, Escape and Attempted Rape!

Florida Department of Corrections

Sex Battery/Physical Force!

I had NO idea about the sex crimes!!! Will be finding a way to obtain copies of those records.

It's really hard to believe that she became involved with this guy. As mentioned earlier, he was in the Army. I don't expect his medical record to give me a clue to anything as my mother's didn't; however, I'll get what I can.

poppypetals
04-14-2007, 08:20 PM
Johnny Goodman past away on 02/11/00. According to his brother, he was found in the woods with a few cents in his pocket. He has quite the criminal history (DUI, check fraud, bigamy). His criminal career appears to have begun on 12/16/69; however, I cannot tell what he was charged with. This might have been an arrest due to his AWOL issue, although I'm not sure how that works. Wouldn't that be a military arrest? His brother told me that the FBI visited them in December, 1969....if memory serves me. I'm not sure whether he was questioned about Gloria, although I would assume they would. It's that type of question I asked the FBI in the first place. Atlanta FBI claims they never investigated her though. I've been trying to get information about the car. It's been so long though that information doesn't seem to exist anymore. I'd love to know whether it was investigated for clues if it was abandoned. All I've ever heard is that my grandfather was notified (he owned the car) and he sold it to a family member. I spoke to the family member's daughter, who gained ownership of the car, and she doesn't know anything about where the car was found, except for a memory of it being found in Florida. Others adamently tell me that it was found in Georgia......

Steph, I'd like to examine this case more closely. Is there any way you could construct a chronological list of events as you knoow them, add everything you know into it and post it here, just for reference ? This is really very mysterious, the way she seemed to just vanish. I can't help but think of Mary Shotwell Little's disappearance in conjunction with this also.

Stephanie.Evins
04-14-2007, 11:13 PM
I will gladly put together a chronology for everyone.

This case just became a bit more suspicous given the newly found information concerning Mr. Goodman. I read up on Mary Shotwell Littl's case. Very interesting. Thank you.

I'm so upset about finding MORE info on Mr. Goodman. It's easy to be angry and honestly, it's easier than being sad and confused. I called Johnny's brother today to see if he would tell me who his brother was married to before he married my mom and he very abruptly said he didn't know and clammed up. I'm going to try and see if I can find out another way.

Anyway, I'll get to the chronology now. This case has consumed my heart all day and I'm so incredibly grateful that this group is here to help.


Steph, I'd like to examine this case more closely. Is there any way you could construct a chronological list of events as you knoow them, add everything you know into it and post it here, just for reference ? This is really very mysterious, the way she seemed to just vanish. I can't help but think of Mary Shotwell Little's disappearance in conjunction with this also.

Stephanie.Evins
04-15-2007, 03:50 AM
Name : Gloria Jean Baird
Aliases : Gloria J. Siegel, Gloria J. Goodman, Buggles, Peanut, G.J.
Birth Date : 11/26/46
Place of Birth: Toledo, OH
Description : 5’3, 107 lbs, blue eyes, light brown hair
(according to 1969 Army application)

Education

1957 – Lady Field Elementary – Toledo, OH
1957 – 1962 – Brunswick Elementary, Brunswick, GA
1962 – 1964 – Brunswick Junior High School, Brunswick, GA
1964 – 1966 – Glynn Academy, Brunswick, GA

06/04/66 – Gloria marries Martin Siegel
Fall 1967 – Gloria leaves Martin and moves to New Orleans; Leaves me behind
01/25/68 – Gloria writes Martin and asks for divorce from New Orleans

Letter sent from:

930 Jackson Avenue, Apt. #3
New Orleans, LA

11/15/68 - Martin and Gloria officially divorce

Prior to 02/04/69 - Gloria writes letter to Martin from Prichard, AL stating that she’s dating individual named: Jimmy Weaver.

Letter sent from:

413 Craftmore Drive
Prichard, AL

02/04/69 – Gloria marries Johnny Clyde Goodman
*Stats: - DOB - 01/20/51; Death - 02/11/00
- Description 5’9, 166 lbs, Blue Eyes, Brown Hair
- Tattoo on medium forearm (left)
- Tattoo on medium forearm (right)

02/14/69 – Petition for Divorce drafted by attorney named Walter M. Henritze, Jr.
** 04/01/69 - Petition signed by Gloria B. Goodman

Divorce Petition States (in part)

[Plaintiff] separated from Defendant [Johnny Clyde Goodman] because of Defendant’s cruel treatment of petitioner….

That Defendant is guilty of willful, cruel treatment as defined by the code of Georgia….

That the acts of cruel treatment, and each of them, inflicted upon petitioner were calculated to cause and, in a matter of fact, did cause petitioner much pain and suffering; that she is in a highly agitated, nervous condition as a result of said cruel treatment; and that petitioner’s health has suffered serious and permanent impairment because of the said treatment upon petitioner by the defendant.

Address in this record:

Gloria B. Goodman
1231 Druid Place
Atlanta, GA

Johnny Clyde Goodman
1368 Mercer
East Point, GA

08/20/69 – Gloria enters Army as Gloria Goodman; Entry: Atlanta, GA
**Assigned to Ft. McClellan, AL
**Military record states that she was also assigned to Ft. Benjamin Harrison, IN
**Military record states that Gloria’s service was from 08/20/69 through 05/02/83
**Military record states “Discharged” under status.

12/31/69 – Allegedly last seen at a party in Atlanta, GA

01/13/70 – Army notifies parents that Gloria’s “absent without authority” since 01/04/70

02/02/70 – Gloria dropped from “the rolls of the unit as a deserter”.

02/06/70 – Gloria’s parents notify Army that she was supposed to show for Christmas (1969) and never did.

09/30/82 – The Army notifies Gloria, through her parents, that on 09/30/82, she was eligible for discharge from service with the US Army. The discharge would be under “other than honorable conditions” and that she could provide a statement in her defense if she wished.

05/02/83 – Discharge in Absentia letter mailed to Gloria’s parents along with a Discharge Under Other Than Honorable Conditions document.

Jimmy Clyde Goodman Research – Info obtained through Internet and court records

Undated – Criminal Attempted Rape
**5 year sentence; No case number
**Georgia Department of Corrections

Undated – Bigamy, Theft of Motor Vehicle (or part) & Escape
**Case No. 75597; Cobb County
**Georgia Department of Corrections

Undated – Escape, Bad Checks, Theft of Motor Vehicle (or part)
**Case No. 122232; Cobb County & Gilmer County
**Georgia Department of Corrections

12/16/69 – Incarceration Began – Reason Unknown
**07/24/71: Incarceration ends; No case number
**Georgia Department of Corrections

11/28/82 – Incarceration Began – Reason Unknown
**11/28/82 – Incarceration ends; No case number
**Georgia Department of Corrections

12/02/82 – DUI & Driving with suspended license

05/11/83 – Theft by Deception

10/18/83 – Sexual Battery/Physical Force
**Sentenced on 01/25/84 (probation/parole) & 11/24/87 (2 years)
**Florida Department of Corrections – Hillsborough County

02/06/85 – Violated Motor Vehicle Laws, Driving Habitual Violator (Fulton County)
**Case No. 179897; Fulton County
**Georgia Department of Corrections

05/09/85 – Incarceration Began – Reason Unknown
**12/12/85 – Incarceration ends; No case number
**Georgia Department of Corrections

04/16/87 – Driving Habitual Violator
**Case No. 282876; Cobb County
**Court records report that his driver’s license had been revoked as of 05/12/83; Warrant issued for his arrest on this date

12/15/88 – Pled guilty to DUI, Habitual Violator, Improper Lane Change
**Sentenced to 12 months prison, 5 years probation, fined $2050 @ $10/month & no alcohol. On 06/18/91, a Petition for Revocation of Probation was filed.
**Pardoned on 11/01/91

04/14/93 – Criminal Trespass; Sentenced to 6 months in jail on 08/23/93

06/11/93 – Theft by Taking; Sentenced on 08/23/93 (see above)

09/29/94 – Theft of Service; Sentenced on 10/02/97; 30 days in Jail; 11 months probation

11/23/94 – Theft by Taking; Sentenced on 02/03/95 to 60 days in Jail; 10 months probation

09/30/97 – Theft by Taking; Sentence unknown

03/22/99 – Criminal Trespass; Sentenced on 06/22/99

DEATH: 02/11/00 – BELIEVED TO BE BURIED IN MARIETTA, GA


I will gladly put together a chronology for everyone.

This case just became a bit more suspicous given the newly found information concerning Mr. Goodman. I read up on Mary Shotwell Littl's case. Very interesting. Thank you.

I'm so upset about finding MORE info on Mr. Goodman. It's easy to be angry and honestly, it's easier than being sad and confused. I called Johnny's brother today to see if he would tell me who his brother was married to before he married my mom and he very abruptly said he didn't know and clammed up. I'm going to try and see if I can find out another way.

Anyway, I'll get to the chronology now. This case has consumed my heart all day and I'm so incredibly grateful that this group is here to help.

Stephanie.Evins
04-15-2007, 04:21 AM
For such a pretty woman, it's hard to believe she married this man. He seems to have lost his looks over the years (I hope) and might even possibly be drunk in this photo. Photo is a mug shot.

KarlK
04-15-2007, 04:21 PM
We can't view the pic :(

Stephanie.Evins
04-15-2007, 04:58 PM
Can you see it now? If not, I'll have my friend post it. It might be a Mac problem.


We can't view the pic :(

Stephanie.Evins
05-25-2007, 10:33 PM
Ya know, I feel I need to say something. I realize that by pointing out Johnny Goodman's past, without knowing for sure whether he was in fact involved, was a bit harsh. I have been working on this case, well, for what feels like my entire life. My professions have been designed around the sense of loss and confusion surrounding this case. I have been very angry at several people throughout the years who were close to Gloria; however, I could never stay angry.... When I learned more about Mr. Goodman, I think I felt I had finally found someone I could truly be angry at. I am a compassionate person and I do realize that although he made some very bad decisions throughout his life, I don't really have the right to point my anger directly at him. Little by little, I am coming to realize what I need to do and shooting anger towards a possible innocent person, isn't going to work. He was obviously troubled and a bit misled in life. It's my hope that I find the truth behind her disappearance and until I do, I'm going to try and stay a bit more neutral.

raindrops300
05-26-2007, 01:48 AM
Name : Gloria Jean Baird
12/31/69 – Allegedly last seen at a party in Atlanta, GA

Jimmy Clyde Goodman Research – Info obtained through Internet and court records
12/16/69 – Incarceration Began – Reason Unknown
**07/24/71: Incarceration ends; No case number
**Georgia Department of Corrections


I may have missed something in this thread, but it looks like Goodman was incarcerated when she went missing.

This thread caught my eye because I worked as a civilian at Ft McClellan from 1975 until 1995 when it closed. The Women's Army Corp Headquarters was located there until it was dissolved, probably in the late 70's, when women became regular Army. I still live in the area and there is a WAC Museum nearby. If I'm not mistaken, it is maintained by former WAC personnel. Possibly someone there might know where you could find records that you would be interested in. This probably wouldn't help you find out what happened, but you might could find photos, etc. I would be glad to check with them if you want me to, or I could give you contact info.
Sincerely wishing you the best in your search.

http://honorguard.org/wac.html
"The Women's Army Corps Museum is the only museum in the States dedicated to women in the military service! The 12,000 square foot museum is located 10 miles north of I-20 on Alabama Route 21, north of Anniston, Alabama, on Fort McClellan, the former home of the Women's Army Corps and site of the Women's Army Corps Memorial Chapel.
The half million dollar museum--financed entirely by donations from active duty, retired, and former members of the Women's Army Auxiliary Corps and the Women's Army Corps, friends, and local civilian supporters--was given to the United States Army in 1978."

Stephanie.Evins
05-26-2007, 12:43 PM
Johnny Clyde was in and out of jail/prison beginning in what appears to be 1969. Johnny’s sister, Jackie, advised that Gloria was seen at a New Years Eve party and she was seen leaving with 3 men. I'm not sure she died that day. I'm not sure who those 3 men were; however, I have heard that she lived in a house in Louisiana where 3 men were observed to be living as well. That was in 1968.

Jackie hasn’t talked to me personally and neither has their mother who is still alive. I have asked Jimmy’s brother to ask Jackie to talk to me or to at least provide her brother with information as to where the party was located, the date of the party and information on the 3 men. She was at this party with them and I wonder if she knew them. Jackie has not contacted me.

It's very possible that Johnny Goodman was incarcerated for the entire stint and released in 1971; however, there is a lot that could have happened during that time. I'm not convinced that the information found on the Internet (Georgia Dept of Corrections) is all that accurate. He might have gone into jail, came out, violated his probation, thrown back in and then released in 1971. You just never know. These kinds of websites don't always go into that much detail.

Johnny Clyde’s brother admitted to not really knowing Jimmy as each brother grew up with a different parent. When asked whether Jimmy had some violent tendencies or could possibly harm Gloria, he and his wife said that Jimmy was one of the nicest people, sweet natured, wouldn't harm anything, etc. I don't think they really knew him when he drank.

I'm not certain that what Jackie told me was correct. This was a long time ago and the party might have been before Christmas or between Christmas and New Years. Gloria was suppose to show up at her parent’s house for Christmas and never did. She was a bit of a partier it seems and I guess my grandparents didn't really think twice about it.

Gloria's car was found abandoned and I've always assumed it was found the day after that party; but, that's just an assumption based on what people have told me. No one can provide me good information about when or exactly where the vehicle was found, other than it being in Atlanta. All I've heard is that the vehicle was handed over to my grandfather, who then handed it over to his brother. My grandmother and her daughter are ADAMENT that the car was found in Atlanta. **Side note: I've talked to several people about this and one person says that she received the car from her father after the vehicle was found in Florida. Her father was my grandfather's brother. So, this whole vehicle thing has given me headache. Due to the fact that it was her parents who received the car first, I'm assuming Atlanta.

Anyway, so many things are possible. She could have changed identities, flown to another country, was killed in LA, killed in GA, killed in FL. What I do know is that she was suppose to be back at the based on a certain day and wasn't. The Social Security Administration told me that her SSN hasn't been used since 1969. Her parents and her sister haven't heard from her. From what I've come to believe about her, I don't think she would ever stop calling her father. They were apparently close.

Stephanie.Evins
05-26-2007, 12:48 PM
Raindrops300 - Thanks for your note. I have a law enforcement person working with the Army; however, if you want to give me the contact info, I would be glad to take it. Many thanks. :)

Stephanie.Evins
05-26-2007, 12:51 PM
Raindrops300 - Thank you for the link. I was so wrapped up in the story, I hadn't noticed you sent the Fort McClellan link. Thank you. :)

SouthernBell
10-22-2007, 02:21 PM
Bumping for Gloria

Stephanie.Evins
10-26-2007, 01:14 AM
Haven't posted anything in a while; but, I check this site when I can. I don't have anything new to report. I do get the inquiry or two from those who are curious, and I appreciate the inquiries. Been working a lot trying to help build a business and it's consumed my life for the time being. Hope everyone's well. Stephanie

Stephanie.Evins
11-16-2007, 04:07 AM
Just wanted everyone to know that I've created a new website for Gloria Jean. http://web.mac.com/stephanieevins1/Site/Welcome.html

Right now you won't find much that's new and in fact I haven't added the chronology yet. There is an ongoing blog though that I'm going to try to keep up. Stephanie

Stephanie.Evins
01-25-2008, 11:11 PM
Just wanted you guys to know that the Gloria Jean website has matured a bit. I'm still going to be adding notes from my diary that I've kept over the years on this project; but, there's some good information there with more to come. I keep my updates in the blog and you're free to make comments as well! Check out www.whereisgloriajean.com.

Stephanie

AMP1979
01-19-2009, 03:59 PM
Yet another missing woman/girl from Atlanta in the late 1960s! Earlier in the thread resemblances to Mary Little's case was mentioned.

I see a LOT of resemblances. Both young women were about the same age, vanished seemingly without a trace, and cars were far abandoned.

GOLDHEARTNUMB
03-24-2009, 06:07 PM
Just bumping for Gloria.

kitbits
11-04-2009, 10:14 AM
i was looking at the updates on Doe Network today & came upon this UID who was found in McDonough, Henry County, Georgia, and i immediately thought of Gloria Baird...what do you all think???

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/231ufga.html

& Gloria's Charley Project:

http://charleyproject.org/cases/b/baird_gloria.html

it says they only found a skull & the estimated date of death is 1973 BUT that could very well be off.

note: i am not sure if this person has already been ruled out because the links that GOLDEN posted a couple of years ago are no longer valid. apologies if she alread has been ruled out. it's the shape of the face--i think they are very similar.

and Stephanie, my thoughts and prayers are with you & i hope you will find out what happened to Gloria.

kitbits
11-05-2009, 04:47 PM
note: i am not sure if this person has already been ruled out because the links that GOLDEN posted a couple of years ago are no longer valid. apologies if she alread has been ruled out. it's the shape of the face--i think they are very similar.

and Stephanie, my thoughts and prayers are with you & i hope you will find out what happened to Gloria.

sorry, I meant GOLDHEARTNUMB...

& bumping...anyone? not sure if I should have posted this else where, so apologies if I should have.

kitbits
11-06-2009, 05:41 PM
i was looking at the updates on Doe Network today & came upon this UID who was found in McDonough, Henry County, Georgia, and i immediately thought of Gloria Baird...what do you all think???

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/231ufga.html

& Gloria's Charley Project:

http://charleyproject.org/cases/b/baird_gloria.html

it says they only found a skull & the estimated date of death is 1973 BUT that could very well be off.

note: i am not sure if this person has already been ruled out because the links that GOLDEN posted a couple of years ago are no longer valid. apologies if she alread has been ruled out. it's the shape of the face--i think they are very similar.

and Stephanie, my thoughts and prayers are with you & i hope you will find out what happened to Gloria.

bumping...perhaps I should have posted this elsewhere? anyway, what do you all think?

Truman
11-07-2009, 04:02 PM
Kitbits, have you gotten any input on this UID and possible relation to Baird's case? Unless she has been ruled out, further investigation into this is definitely in order... the UID's remains were found just 30 miles south of Atlanta, where Gloria was last seen.

kitbits
11-08-2009, 06:49 AM
Kitbits, have you gotten any input on this UID and possible relation to Baird's case? Unless she has been ruled out, further investigation into this is definitely in order... the UID's remains were found just 30 miles south of Atlanta, where Gloria was last seen.

hi, Truman--nope I've not done anything yet because I wanted to get a bit of input first...and I've never submitted anything yet, so need to double-check the recommended procedure. I was hoping anyone who has been following the case might have a bit of insight, but you're my first response. I'm wondering if I should post it under The Unidentified as a separate post & that way perhaps more people will notice & I'll get more feedback.

I take it you think it's a good possibility, which is definitely encouraging! And thanks for the geographical info...I lived in Atlanta many years ago for just over a year & was thinking that it isn't too far.

Perhaps I will start another thread, unless I get more feedback here. I'm anxious to know what to do! thanks again!

AnnieOakley
11-08-2009, 04:47 PM
I definitely think you should contact the LE that Stephanie listed earlier in this thread! If they have already ruled her out, that would be good to know.

I was also thinking about it from this angle: If they have already ruled her out, perhaps LE knows more about the Jane Doe-- like why her DOD is listed as '73? (Many postings state if the range of dates could be years before... because of decomp, sorry to be graphic there)... If Jane Doe's DOD is really specific to '73 because of how she was found, that would help others in identifying her as well.

And, there's also a chance that Gloria was missing for a couple of years before she was killed? After Jaycee's story, I don't think we can rule out any scenario in regard to the missing!

Just my :twocents:

kitbits
11-09-2009, 07:50 AM
I definitely think you should contact the LE that Stephanie listed earlier in this thread! If they have already ruled her out, that would be good to know.

I was also thinking about it from this angle: If they have already ruled her out, perhaps LE knows more about the Jane Doe-- like why her DOD is listed as '73? (Many postings state if the range of dates could be years before... because of decomp, sorry to be graphic there)... If Jane Doe's DOD is really specific to '73 because of how she was found, that would help others in identifying her as well.

And, there's also a chance that Gloria was missing for a couple of years before she was killed? After Jaycee's story, I don't think we can rule out any scenario in regard to the missing!

Just my :twocents:

thanks Annie Oakley!

Yeah, I agree & I was thinking that if they made the determination of her DOD in 1973, well, they could have been wrong because the research/technology is so much better now. I was thinking of the University of Tennessee Anthropological Research Facility, aka 'The Body Farm' & Dr William Bass who started it. I listened to an interview with him & he said that he founded the research facility because in the early 70s, he was asked to give an estimated DOD for some skeletal remains. Well, he gave them a rather recent date, but it turned out that they were from the Civil War era!

Anyway, I was reminded of what he said & the research that his error led him to & others to & her features are so spot on to my eyes...well, got to give these things a go, you know?

thank you again for your support...I will let everyone know the moment I hear something!

PFF
11-10-2009, 09:05 AM
Florida and Georgia Jane Does listings from Doe Network:waitasec:
http://www.doenetwork.org/
Go to "Index of Unidentified Victims":
Go to "Unidentified Victims" Option 3 {Geographic Index}
Go to "United States"
Go to States-listed from earliest to latest

sevins42
05-08-2010, 11:10 PM
I'm going to be asking the detective again working on this case to see whether he can have my DNA matched against Sharon Marshall's. You never know....

Kat
05-11-2010, 02:12 AM
Just a question? ~ Has anyone gone through the court system to have Gloria declared deceased? It can be done. It was done within my own family (long story).

Secondly, if that has been done that paperwork could be submitted to the Military. They won't change her status IMHO but it will open the doors to request any information or paperwork they hold.

sevins42
02-12-2011, 03:03 AM
It was brought to my attention that I accidentally put the name Jimmy Goodman and then listed the aforementioned criminal history. I meant to type, Johnny Clyde Goodman.

sevins42
02-12-2011, 03:09 AM
Name : Gloria Jean Baird
Aliases : Gloria J. Siegel, Gloria J. Goodman, Buggles, Peanut, G.J.
Birth Date : 11/26/46
Place of Birth: Toledo, OH
Description : 5’3, 107 lbs, blue eyes, light brown hair
(according to 1969 Army application)

Education

1957 – Lady Field Elementary – Toledo, OH
1957 – 1962 – Brunswick Elementary, Brunswick, GA
1962 – 1964 – Brunswick Junior High School, Brunswick, GA
1964 – 1966 – Glynn Academy, Brunswick, GA

06/04/66 – Gloria marries Martin Siegel
Fall 1967 – Gloria leaves Martin and moves to New Orleans; Leaves me behind
01/25/68 – Gloria writes Martin and asks for divorce from New Orleans

Letter sent from:

930 Jackson Avenue, Apt. #3
New Orleans, LA

11/15/68 - Martin and Gloria officially divorce

Prior to 02/04/69 - Gloria writes letter to Martin from Prichard, AL stating that she’s dating individual named: Jimmy Weaver.

Letter sent from:

413 Craftmore Drive
Prichard, AL

02/04/69 – Gloria marries Johnny Clyde Goodman
*Stats: - DOB - 01/20/51; Death - 02/11/00
- Description 5’9, 166 lbs, Blue Eyes, Brown Hair
- Tattoo on medium forearm (left)
- Tattoo on medium forearm (right)

02/14/69 – Petition for Divorce drafted by attorney named Walter M. Henritze, Jr.
** 04/01/69 - Petition signed by Gloria B. Goodman

Divorce Petition States (in part)

[Plaintiff] separated from Defendant [Johnny Clyde Goodman] because of Defendant’s cruel treatment of petitioner….

That Defendant is guilty of willful, cruel treatment as defined by the code of Georgia….

That the acts of cruel treatment, and each of them, inflicted upon petitioner were calculated to cause and, in a matter of fact, did cause petitioner much pain and suffering; that she is in a highly agitated, nervous condition as a result of said cruel treatment; and that petitioner’s health has suffered serious and permanent impairment because of the said treatment upon petitioner by the defendant.

Address in this record:

Gloria B. Goodman
1231 Druid Place
Atlanta, GA

Johnny Clyde Goodman
1368 Mercer
East Point, GA

08/20/69 – Gloria enters Army as Gloria Goodman; Entry: Atlanta, GA
**Assigned to Ft. McClellan, AL
**Military record states that she was also assigned to Ft. Benjamin Harrison, IN
**Military record states that Gloria’s service was from 08/20/69 through 05/02/83
**Military record states “Discharged” under status.

12/31/69 – Allegedly last seen at a party in Atlanta, GA

01/13/70 – Army notifies parents that Gloria’s “absent without authority” since 01/04/70

02/02/70 – Gloria dropped from “the rolls of the unit as a deserter”.

02/06/70 – Gloria’s parents notify Army that she was supposed to show for Christmas (1969) and never did.

09/30/82 – The Army notifies Gloria, through her parents, that on 09/30/82, she was eligible for discharge from service with the US Army. The discharge would be under “other than honorable conditions” and that she could provide a statement in her defense if she wished.

05/02/83 – Discharge in Absentia letter mailed to Gloria’s parents along with a Discharge Under Other Than Honorable Conditions document.

Jimmy Clyde Goodman Research – Info obtained through Internet and court records

Undated – Criminal Attempted Rape
**5 year sentence; No case number
**Georgia Department of Corrections

Undated – Bigamy, Theft of Motor Vehicle (or part) & Escape
**Case No. 75597; Cobb County
**Georgia Department of Corrections

Undated – Escape, Bad Checks, Theft of Motor Vehicle (or part)
**Case No. 122232; Cobb County & Gilmer County
**Georgia Department of Corrections

12/16/69 – Incarceration Began – Reason Unknown
**07/24/71: Incarceration ends; No case number
**Georgia Department of Corrections

11/28/82 – Incarceration Began – Reason Unknown
**11/28/82 – Incarceration ends; No case number
**Georgia Department of Corrections

12/02/82 – DUI & Driving with suspended license

05/11/83 – Theft by Deception

10/18/83 – Sexual Battery/Physical Force
**Sentenced on 01/25/84 (probation/parole) & 11/24/87 (2 years)
**Florida Department of Corrections – Hillsborough County

02/06/85 – Violated Motor Vehicle Laws, Driving Habitual Violator (Fulton County)
**Case No. 179897; Fulton County
**Georgia Department of Corrections

05/09/85 – Incarceration Began – Reason Unknown
**12/12/85 – Incarceration ends; No case number
**Georgia Department of Corrections

04/16/87 – Driving Habitual Violator
**Case No. 282876; Cobb County
**Court records report that his driver’s license had been revoked as of 05/12/83; Warrant issued for his arrest on this date

12/15/88 – Pled guilty to DUI, Habitual Violator, Improper Lane Change
**Sentenced to 12 months prison, 5 years probation, fined $2050 @ $10/month & no alcohol. On 06/18/91, a Petition for Revocation of Probation was filed.
**Pardoned on 11/01/91

04/14/93 – Criminal Trespass; Sentenced to 6 months in jail on 08/23/93

06/11/93 – Theft by Taking; Sentenced on 08/23/93 (see above)

09/29/94 – Theft of Service; Sentenced on 10/02/97; 30 days in Jail; 11 months probation

11/23/94 – Theft by Taking; Sentenced on 02/03/95 to 60 days in Jail; 10 months probation

09/30/97 – Theft by Taking; Sentence unknown

03/22/99 – Criminal Trespass; Sentenced on 06/22/99

DEATH: 02/11/00 – BELIEVED TO BE BURIED IN MARIETTA, GA

The information above pertains to Johnny Goodman, and not his brother Jimmy Goodman. It was just brought to my attention that I mde this error. Thanks.

CarlK90245
08-22-2011, 01:27 AM
Here are two photos of Gloria from the 1964 Glynn Academy (Brunswick GA) yearbook.

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Missing%20Persons%20Photos/2383499480045078242S600x600Q851.jpghttp://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Missing%20Persons%20Photos/2540265440045078242S600x600Q851.jpg

Irish_Eyes
11-07-2011, 12:44 AM
Boy, I really want to find someone who went to Glynn Academy, Brunswick. Is this a really big school?

The reason I ask is that obviously Gloria went there. But there is an UID male case in Atlantic City, I believe, where the UID is wearing a ring from Glynn Academy, Brunswick. What are the chances of that? I think the years on the ring were something like 1888-1974, suggesting he was a 1974 graduate. So a little younger than Gloria, but still. Sure would be interesting to find a family of siblings who went to that school in the years around 1964-1974 and see if they could give us any insights into these missing folks!

PFF
02-24-2012, 07:22 PM
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2327dfga.html

carbuff
12-05-2012, 01:05 AM
Gloria's NamUs entry: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/543/0/