Teen Girl Oversees Sex Assault

[opme]

09/07/2006 12:24:16 EST Records: Teen Girl oversees Sex Assault

As Many As 15 Boys Sexually Assault 11-Year-Old Girl As Older Girl Supervises, Records Show



MILWAUKEE Sep 7, 2006 (AP)— As many as 15 boys sexually assaulted an 11-year-old girl as an older girl watched and dictated what acts the victim should perform, according to court records.

Criminal complaints filed Wednesday in Milwaukee County Children's Court said the attack took place Monday at the home of the older girl, who is 16.

She and a 15-year-old boy were charged with being party to sexual assault. A 40-year-old man who is related to the teenage girl also took part in sex acts but has not been formally charged, according to the records.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/wireStory?id=2405678

[Jeana (DP)]

I have to stop reading here . . . :confused: :confused:

[BillyGoatGruff]

Wanna bet the 40 year old man who is related to the girl has been instrumental in abusing her and creating kid porn over the years?

[Mygirlsadie]

Oh hell no

[bakerprune64]

Disgusting!! I have a 10 YO and a 12 YO and I cannot even ebgin to imagine what this poor child went through. I hope that 15 YO and all of the other parties, Juvenile or not, are dealt swift and severe justice.

[mom3dd]

and the 40 yr old hasn't been charged yet WHY

[CrimeHater]

I am almost in tears over this. That poor little girl. This is sick!! I can't even imagine that not one person couldn't stand up and defend that poor child.

[GlitchWizard]

A 40-year-old man who is related to the teenage girl also took part in sex acts but has not been formally charged, according to the records.

He shouldn't be formally charged. I agree. Because if you do it formally, it has to be legal. If you informally charge him, I suppose you can do it with a heavy duty deep marine battery...

[michelle]

I have to stop reading here . . . :confused: :confused:You and me both!!

[Masissy]

He shouldn't be formally charged. I agree. Because if you do it formally, it has to be legal. If you informally charge him, I suppose you can do it with a heavy duty deep marine battery...
:waitasec: I don't understand

[Jeana (DP)]

:waitasec: I don't understand

I think she and I have the same sense of humor because I laughed so hard. She meant "charge" him as in the electric chair or something similar.

[Masissy]

I think she and I have the same sense of humor because I laughed so hard. She meant "charge" him as in the electric chair or something similar.
Now I get it :D .... That Glitch is so quick witted. Thanks Jeana..:)

[michelle]

Is this a Karla Homolka is the making????

[bakerprune64]

Snip...According to court papers, the 11-year-old girl told police she was interested romantically in the 16-year-old girl, who looked and dressed like a boy.


The alleged victim and two friends went to the 16-year-old's house, where the child performed oral sex on three teenage boys, according to court papers. The 40-year-old uncle of the 16-year-old admitted he also had sex with the 11-year-old and told police that the 16-year-old was directing the child, the papers said.


The 11-year-old then went to the basement, where there were about 15 males and she told police she "began to choose who she wanted to perform oral sex on," court papers said.


The 16-year-old told police that the 11-year-old had told her she wanted to perform oral sex on the boys in the house. The 16-year-old denied encouraging her.


The 16-year-old girl and the 15-year-old boy were charged with being a party to sexual assault. Torbeson said he will probably seek to have them tried as adults.

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/9805631/detail.html


An 11 YO wanting to engage in oral sex:mad: Dammitt, is this another case of immoral bad parenting at it's worst??

[Jeana (DP)]

So the 16 year old girl used the little girl's "crush" on her and manipulated her with it? :doh:

[MagicRose99]

As the neighbor said at the end of the article...

<SNIP>
"If all those brains couldn't get together and figure out that was a baby?" he said, adding he has a 3-year-old daughter. "I don't have no respect or no love for people who do that." He added: "Whatever they get, they got it coming."

[bakerprune64]

So the 16 year old girl used the little girl's "crush" on her and manipulated her with it? :doh:
This whole story meake me absolutely sick!! 1) If the this voluntarilly...where teh hell did she lern that behavior was okay???2) iF She did not, could these kids/adults not see this was a child???

[Jeana (DP)]

This whole story meake me absolutely sick!! 1) If the this voluntarilly...where teh hell did she lern that behavior was okay???2) iF She did not, could these kids/adults not see this was a child???


I think you hit the nail on the head. What on God's green earth were 20 boys doing in the basement to begin with??? If my son has just a couple of buddies over the noise is almost unbearable. I'm thinking parental deficiencies all around here.

[michelle]

This whole story meake me absolutely sick!! 1) If the this voluntarilly...where teh hell did she lern that behavior was okay???2) iF She did not, could these kids/adults not see this was a child???People are sick these days. Kids can be terrible.

[Indy Gal]

I think she and I have the same sense of humor because I laughed so hard. She meant "charge" him as in the electric chair or something similar.
I laughed too. You two are the best

[JBean]

They have upped it to 20 boys now

Milwaukee Police Say 11-Year-Old Girl Is Sexually Assaulted by As Many As 20 Boys

MILWAUKEE -- An 11-year-old girl was sexually assaulted by as many as 20 boys as a 16-year-old girl watched and told her what sex acts to perform, authorities say in the latest mob attack to rock Milwaukee and set off another round of civic soul-searching.

"It almost leaves me speechless

http://orangecounty.cox.net/cci/newsnational/national?_mode=view&_state=maximized&view=article&id=D8K09VJO3&_action=validatearticle

[michelle]

They have upped it to 20 boys now

Milwaukee Police Say 11-Year-Old Girl Is Sexually Assaulted by As Many As 20 Boys

MILWAUKEE -- An 11-year-old girl was sexually assaulted by as many as 20 boys as a 16-year-old girl watched and told her what sex acts to perform, authorities say in the latest mob attack to rock Milwaukee and set off another round of civic soul-searching.

"It almost leaves me speechless

http://orangecounty.cox.net/cci/newsnational/national?_mode=view&_state=maximized&view=article&id=D8K09VJO3&_action=validatearticleI am telling you, it is sick! It makes me furious!!!:furious:

[LovelyPigeon]

It is so sad that young children of 11 can already be introduced to and even acclimated to performing oral sex. I don't think this is a factor of modern society, but just a sad reflection of how children get introduced to sexual interaction waaaaay years before it should happen.

What puzzles me most, though, is the statement:

A 40-year-old man who also had sex with the child may also be charged, authorities said. --->>

The alleged victim and two friends went to the 16-year-old's house, where the child performed oral sex on three teenage boys, according to court papers. The 40-year-old uncle of the 16-year-old admitted he also had sex with the 11-year-old and told police that the 16-year-old was directing the child, the papers said.

40-year-old man having sex (of any kind!) wih 11-year-old child and it's only MAY be charged?! How can "MAY" be possible rather than absolutely certain?????

[michelle]

40-year-old man having sex (of any kind!) wih 11-year-old child and it's only MAY be charged?! How can "MAY" be possible rather than absolutely certain?????I know that is confusing, he needs to be charged!

[Opie]

He needs to be shot!

[GlitchWizard]

I think she and I have the same sense of humor because I laughed so hard. She meant "charge" him as in the electric chair or something similar.
Yep. Kind of a homemade variety. ;-)

[Linda7NJ]

Question, if say a 13 year old boy accepts the offer by an 11 year old girl for oral sex, is that a crime?

[GlitchWizard]

Question, if say a 13 year old boy accepts the offer by an 11 year old girl for oral sex, is that a crime?
It is if it's MY daughter who offered. ;-)

[Linda7NJ]

It is if it's MY daughter who offered. ;-)
I hear ya! BUT.........

As the mother of a son I was just wondering..........

[Masissy]

I hear ya! BUT.........

As the mother of a son I was just wondering..........
I am the mother of a son and daughter and if either of mine offered or accepted then that will be labeled a crime in my home.

[SewingDeb]

I am the mother of a son and daughter and if either of mine offered or accepted then that will be labeled a crime in my home.

Same here.

[GlitchWizard]

I hear ya! BUT.........

As the mother of a son I was just wondering..........
Oh, I'm sorry it was an actual question! I thought perhaps that you were being goofy. Too much coffee and my brain doesn't work sometimes!

I think it's only a crime if one of the partners in this is an adult. I've never heard of it being a legal issue for kids to be involved in stuff like this. If it were - there would be a great number of children locked up for it, nowdays. :-(

[WISCer]

He needs to be shot!



but castrated FIRST!

[angelmom]

Oh, I'm sorry it was an actual question! I thought perhaps that you were being goofy. Too much coffee and my brain doesn't work sometimes!

I think it's only a crime if one of the partners in this is an adult. I've never heard of it being a legal issue for kids to be involved in stuff like this. If it were - there would be a great number of children locked up for it, nowdays. :-(

I think there is an age of consent (which varies from state to state) OR a difference in ages. For example, it used to be 16 or 4 years in GA. So a child under 16 could never consent (sure!) and a child 16-18 could not consent to sex with someone 4+ years older. Does that make sense?

Answer: no, I don't think the 11 and 13 yo situation would count as statutory rape. Depending on the situation, it might count as rape (but this story will challenge those lines, IMHO).

ETA: What the hell is wrong with Wisconsin lately???
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42973

[spclk]

First off, let me say that this was wrong on so many levels. But, I am very concerned that an 11 year old would ask to perform oral sex on everyone in the house. According to the article she admitted it to police: "The 11-year-old then went to the basement, where there were about 15 males and she told police she "began to choose who she wanted to perform oral sex on," court papers said."

Where the He** are the parent of these kids? Tell me what teenage boy is going to turn down oral sex if it is offered and especially in front of his friends? Why in the world would an 11 year old be allowed out by herself, where were her friends while this was going on, how would she know so much about oral sex.....and the list goes on.

Yes, the 40 year old should be castrated with finger nail clippers, but I apologize if I offend anyone, but this 11 year olds parents should be punished just as severely in my opinion!

This child needs lots of counseling and prayers. God only knows what she has been exposed to that has made her what she is today.

[Linda7NJ]

Tell me what teenage boy is going to turn down oral sex if it is offered and especially in front of his friends?
That's EXACTLY why I asked the question I did!

[Mabel]

There was a case featured on Catherine Crier last year in which a 16 year old boy was sentenced to 10 years in jail for accepting oral sex from a 14 year old girl at a party. She also 'serviced' either two or three other boys, but they took plea deals and got 5 years each.

The boythat got 10 years was an honor student with a promising future. Now his life is ruined. I don't know too many teenage boys that would turn down the offer of oral sex from a girl close to his age.

[LovelyPigeon]

There are two other current threads in this forum with somewhat similar stories.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41717 is a 12-year-old who apparently willingly had sex with men on camera

and http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41002 about an 11-year-old who claims to have had oral sex with 2 or more college football players

It's a tragedy IMO that children are introduced to sexual relationships while still children. The tragedy just spreads out from there, involving not just that one child, but others also.

[SewingDeb]

That's EXACTLY why I asked the question I did!

Here's the link to the age of consent laws:

www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

Most states require the victim to be at least 3 years younger than the older person before charges can be brought.

[SewingDeb]

There was a case featured on Catherine Crier last year in which a 16 year old boy was sentenced to 10 years in jail for accepting oral sex from a 14 year old girl at a party. She also 'serviced' either two or three other boys, but they took plea deals and got 5 years each.

The boythat got 10 years was an honor student with a promising future. Now his life is ruined. I don't know too many teenage boys that would turn down the offer of oral sex from a girl close to his age.

Do you remember which state that was in? Most have to be at least 3 years older.

[SewingDeb]

This is a better link:
http://www.actwin.com/eatonohio/gay/consent.htm

[LovelyPigeon]

There was a case featured on Catherine Crier last year in which a 16 year old boy was sentenced to 10 years in jail for accepting oral sex from a 14 year old girl at a party. She also 'serviced' either two or three other boys, but they took plea deals and got 5 years each.

The boy that got 10 years was an honor student with a promising future. Now his life is ruined. I don't know too many teenage boys that would turn down the offer of oral sex from a girl close to his age.

Getting a little off topic, probably, but there are other cases similar to the one you cite. Joe Linaweaver, who at 16 had (consensual) oral sex with his 14-year-old girlfriend on a school bus in 2000. He had to register as a sex offender, and the registration keeps him from living within 1000-ft of a school bus stop.

Wendy Whitaker at 17 had consensual oral sex with a 15-year-old, was convicted, and also had to register as a sex offender. Even 10 years later and married, she can't live near a childcare center or a bus stop. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003101190_offender03.html

[SewingDeb]

Parents of teenagers need to educate them regarding the age of consent laws for their state and about how one mistake can ruin their lives.

I am sad about the 11 year old. She sounds like a child who has grown up being molested. I think most 11 year old girls would be grossed out at the thought of oral sex.

[Dr. Doogie]

According to the article she admitted it to police: "The 11-year-old then went to the basement, where there were about 15 males and she told police she "began to choose who she wanted to perform oral sex on," court papers said."
This is not to turn this thread political, but I believe we have Bill and Monica to thank for this attitude in our children. Our actions have consequences...

[A.Wood]

I think back to when I was 10 and 11 and I had some pretty vile kids in my school. Either things havent changed with kids or its gotten worse. I have a 7 year old stepdaughter and im freaked out about her getting any older....ugh! She is really flamboyant with anything she learns so I am sure everyone will know when she hears sick things from evil spawns at her school.

An inlaw of mine is dating a woman with a 14 year old and that 14 year old is allowed to have her boyfriend sleep over and her mother buys her and her friends alcohol. I only hope this "party mom" is busted when one of these kids tells their parents whats happening at the home.

[Mabel]

Do you remember which state that was in? Most have to be at least 3 years older.

I wish I did. I've wanted, ever since I saw the show, to write and offer support to the boy's mother. She was absolutely devastated.

[Warof2010]

I wish I did. I've wanted, ever since I saw the show, to write and offer support to the boy's mother. She was absolutely devastated.That's a terrible miscarriage of justice Mabel. I don't think any of the boys should have even been prosecuted.

[LovelyPigeon]

This is not to turn this thread political, but I believe we have Bill and Monica to thank for this attitude in our children. Our actions have consequences...

I think we have to take responsibility for our own children, as does Bill for his own and Monica for her own.

I don't think this is a new phenomena among children, adolescents, and teens (much less among adults), but one that is probably more widespread and certainly more reported on than ever before.

[Masterj]

This is not to turn this thread political, but I believe we have Bill and Monica to thank for this attitude in our children. Our actions have consequences...
Dr. Doogie, are you serious??? You think a president's extramarital affair led to kids engaging in risky sexual behavior??? I think that is quite a stretch to say the least. If any one thing can be blamed, I would say MTV rather Bill Clinton. However, I don't think any one thing can be blamed. The problem is a culmination of factors, not just Bill and Monica.

[Dr. Doogie]

Dr. Doogie, are you serious??? You think a president's extramarital affair led to kids engaging in risky sexual behavior??? I think that is quite a stretch to say the least. If any one thing can be blamed, I would say MTV rather Bill Clinton. However, I don't think any one thing can be blamed. The problem is a culmination of factors, not just Bill and Monica.
You are correct - I have overstated the influence of merely Bill and Monica. I do believe that their shenanigans (and the public discussion of it) have contributed to a society where children and young teens see these activities as acceptable and normal, but other sources of this attitude are also out there. MTV, rap music, the sexualization of children by our media all have created this mess today. And parents are ultimately to blame for allowing their children run wild and to be exposed to this sort of crap.

And I don't know what relation the 40 year old idiot in this story was to the young girl or the "partiers", but what sort of twistoid sees an eleven year old girl "servicing" a bunch of teenage boys and decides that he wants in on the action? I know...a pedophile, but I will thankfully never understand the thought pattern of these scum.

[michelle]

The 11 year old has HIV.... http://www.comcast.net/news/national/index.jsp?cat=DOMESTIC&fn=/2006/09/08/472431.html

[spclk]

This just gets worse and worse. She lost her mother to HIV....I find it much easier to understand why this poor girl is so messed up that she willingly has sex with a 40 year old man and performs oral sex on many others. I just keep trying to picture an 11 year old engaged in these activities and I just can't even imagine it. This poor girl needs so much help.




The 11 year old has HIV.... http://www.comcast.net/news/national/index.jsp?cat=DOMESTIC&fn=/2006/09/08/472431.html

[angelmom]

They are saying that she chose which boys to perform oral sex on, but I don't think that necessarily means it was willingly.

Apparently the sex with the uncle and the 17yo was not physically forced, but she did try to say no. Then the 16yo girl convinced her to do it.

I wonder if the 16yo told her she had to perform oral sex on so many guys, but that she could choose which ones. That would be a lot different story.

Of course, you still have to ask where her parents thought she was, who they thought she was with, and what they thought she was doing. I mean, before we go blaming them, I'd like to know if they thought she was just at a friend's house and the parents were home. With people I know in the neighborhood, I don't actually speak to the parents every single time the kids go over to play, and their parents don't call me every time the kids come here. And a 16yo could have been left alone with the parents totally unaware that the 11yo would even be there.

Or maybe they thought the uncle would keep an eye on things. :furious:

[Bobbisangel]

It is the fault of each and every one of those guys....this little girl is only 11 years old. I think she probably did it with the boys because she wanted the 16 yr old to be her friend or the 16 yr old promised her something. She wanted to gain favor with the teenager is what I mean. Poor little thing.

[LovelyPigeon]

The 40-year-old man may be mentally handicapped, which could explain why he only "might" be charged instead of already having been charged. There's got to be some explanation for why he hasn't been.

[SewingDeb]

An inlaw of mine is dating a woman with a 14 year old and that 14 year old is allowed to have her boyfriend sleep over and her mother buys her and her friends alcohol. I only hope this "party mom" is busted when one of these kids tells their parents whats happening at the home.

Maybe an anonymous call is in order.

[SewingDeb]

I see the 40 year old has now been charged. Good.

[BillyGoatGruff]

Getting a little off topic, probably, but there are other cases similar to the one you cite. Joe Linaweaver, who at 16 had (consensual) oral sex with his 14-year-old girlfriend on a school bus in 2000. He had to register as a sex offender, and the registration keeps him from living within 1000-ft of a school bus stop.

Wendy Whitaker at 17 had consensual oral sex with a 15-year-old, was convicted, and also had to register as a sex offender. Even 10 years later and married, she can't live near a childcare center or a bus stop. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003101190_offender03.htmlBoth of these cases invovled people who chose to have sex in public places, in front of wittnesses, which seems tohave been more the aggravating factor than their ages were. In Whitaker's case she then went on to violate her probation, which meant she would be placed on the sex offender registry (otherwsie she would have had the charge expunged from the record upon completion). Being young shouldn't be punished, but being stupid does have its penalties.

[Indy Gal]

Just a quick question....would HIV show up so fast?

[LovelyPigeon]

The 11-year-old girl had been sexually attacked when she was 6, by a 14-year-old teen boy:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=494052

The more that becomes known about the people in this case, the more sad it becomes.

[LovelyPigeon]

Just a quick question....would HIV show up so fast?

The girl who was sexually assaulted has been infected with HIV since birth because her mother was HIV positive when the girl was conceived.

[Indy Gal]

The girl who was sexually assaulted has been infected with HIV since birth because her mother was HIV positive when the girl was conceived.
Thank you!!

[OneLostGrl]

This is a better link:
http://www.actwin.com/eatonohio/gay/consent.htm

From your link-



"Louisiana law allows prosecutors to seek the death penalty for people
convicted of having consensual sex with a person under 12 years old. The
Louisiana state Supreme Court declared the law constitutional in 1999
because of a 1977 U.S. Supreme Court ruling addressing the rape of an adult,
not a child. The U.S. Supreme Court in 1977 banned the death penalty for
raping adult women, but the justices did not say whether it could be applied
to child rapists. The U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear the 1999 Louisiana
case, allowing the death penalty law to stand."


You go, Louisiana!!! Every state should feel this way! I think it should be made a federal law!

[Bobbisangel]

I think we have to take responsibility for our own children, as does Bill for his own and Monica for her own.

I don't think this is a new phenomena among children, adolescents, and teens (much less among adults), but one that is probably more widespread and certainly more reported on than ever before.



I was visiting with a friend the other day who has a daughter that just started high school...9th grade. She said that oral sex is the big thing in Jr high and high school now days because you can't get pregnant. She said that last year some of the girls in Jr high wore these different color thread bracelets to school. A boy would walk up to a girl and he would break off one of the bracelets...he would pick the color...and that meant that she would give him a blow job. She didn't have the choice of who broke the bracelet off but the girls went right along with it and thought it was just fine. I know that each color of the bracelet meant something different but I can't remember what it was but I know the girl would perform oral sex on the boy who took a bracelet.
That is where a lot of Jr high and high school kids are at these days. It's all over the place. Oral sex is lots more poplular then regular sex is. I don't think these kids are using condoms so I guess the idea of sexually transmitted diseases doesn't enter their heads.

It is really sad that the values of children have gotten that out of bounds. Where is their self respect? Do they think that is all they are worth? I'm having a hard time understanding the way things are now days. I know that most boys won't pass up a blow job unless they are really shy or have strong values. What is happening with the girls though? That is what bothers me the most.

[Bobbisangel]

Just a quick question....would HIV show up so fast?



It is my understanding that the little girl was born with it. The others should know in a few weeks and then the like to retest people 2-3 months down the road just to be sure because it won't always show up right away.

[Masterj]

The 11-year-old girl had been sexually attacked when she was 6, by a 14-year-old teen boy:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=494052

The more that becomes known about the people in this case, the more sad it becomes.
Unfortunately, this doesn't surprise me at all. This is such a heartbreaking story.

[SewingDeb]

From your link-



"Louisiana law allows prosecutors to seek the death penalty for people
convicted of having consensual sex with a person under 12 years old. The
Louisiana state Supreme Court declared the law constitutional in 1999
because of a 1977 U.S. Supreme Court ruling addressing the rape of an adult,
not a child. The U.S. Supreme Court in 1977 banned the death penalty for
raping adult women, but the justices did not say whether it could be applied
to child rapists. The U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear the 1999 Louisiana
case, allowing the death penalty law to stand."


You go, Louisiana!!! Every state should feel this way! I think it should be made a federal law!


Amen!

[southcitymom]

I am sad about the 11 year old. She sounds like a child who has grown up being molested. I think most 11 year old girls would be grossed out at the thought of oral sex.
You are absolutely right. This 11-year-old knows way too much about sex to willingly participate in what is essentially a large scale gangbang....very sad.

[Amraann]

an 11 yo doesn't have the emotional maturity to

"willingly" participate.
More liked threatend or intimidated to go along by those older then her .

This cannot be equated to that of an adult women deciding to participate.
It angers me that anyone would think so.

I hope those scum bags suffer a SLOW and painful death from the HIV I hope they contracted from her.


I do have sympathy for the 16 yo girl ... I can't look at this situation and think she is evil or bad.... She was just trying to save herself from further molestation. Obviously her uncle had been doing this to her for a very long time.
My guess she was sooo much younger that she thought 11 was ok.
Its sad for both girls.
How do you know its right or wrong if that is the only world you know??

[SewingDeb]

You are absolutely right. This 11-year-old knows way too much about sex to willingly participate in what is essentially a large scale gangbang....very sad.

We found out she has been sexually assaulted before....so sad.

[MagicRose99]

I do have sympathy for the 16 yo girl ... I can't look at this situation and think she is evil or bad.... She was just trying to save herself from further molestation. Obviously her uncle had been doing this to her for a very long time. My guess she was sooo much younger that she thought 11 was ok.
Its sad for both girls.
I'm sorry... I cannot have any sympathy for the 16 yo. She knnows what molestation is and instead of trying to protect a younger child, the 16 yo offered up an 11 yo in her stead. Why would she want to inflict a trauma like this on another child? If it doesn't feel right / good to her, what makes her think that it would feel right / good for another?

Sympathy? No... I hope she gets the book thrown at her too!

JMO....

[Old Broad]

I wonder if the 16 year old knew this young girl was HIV positive and wanted her to infect her uncle?

OB

[2sisters]

I think the idea that oral sex was no big deal came about before clinton, i was a teenager in the 90's and I always felt that while it constituted as an intimate act in was not as big a deal as sexual intercourse. I'm not sure where this came from though b/c I was not alone in thinking this.

[SewingDeb]

I wonder if the 16 year old knew this young girl was HIV positive and wanted her to infect her uncle?

OB

And all the other guys? That's possible. If so, she really needs the book thrown at her.

Check out this link:
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=494435

The 40 year old expresses remorse and claims the 11 year old appeared to be 19 or 20. Says several other adults were present.

[2sisters]

The more I hear of this story the worse I feel. All the kids involved apparently have sad lives and are troubled. The 11 year old especially. What kind of home live does she have when behaving like this is acceptable for that matter, all of the kids involved. At 11 the idea of doing that to a boy or any sex act for that matter was so gross. I was 11 when I found out my parents actually had sex and it grossed me out.

[michelle]

I was 11 when I found out my parents actually had sex and it grossed me out.I know isnt it nasty, LOL!!!! I still feel weird when I see them kiss...My mom always tells me to chill out and I am 31!

[Old Broad]

And all the other guys? That's possible. If so, she really needs the book thrown at her.

Check out this link:
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=494435

The 40 year old expresses remorse and claims the 11 year old appeared to be 19 or 20. Says several other adults were present.

I checked out that link Deb thank you for providing it.
This story just gets sicker and sicker!

I hope every one of the people in that room get the book thrown at them!! There's a lot more than those who have been charged so far.

OB

[2sisters]

I am in no way excusing Gurleys behavior but maybe if he was drunk and high he did think she was older. In the article he did sound remorseful and a little embarassed but that may only be because he may have HIV now. Does anyone have any deatils on why the 11year old was reported missing? I think I am more disturbed that this child thought this was appropriate behavior young or old, it had obviosly be ingrained in her that it was ok whether it was from her previous sexual assaults or from behavior she saw at home. I hope she is put in counseling very soon and hopefully she has a loving, structured home she can go to.

[Amraann]

I'm sorry... I cannot have any sympathy for the 16 yo. She knnows what molestation is and instead of trying to protect a younger child, the 16 yo offered up an 11 yo in her stead. Why would she want to inflict a trauma like this on another child? If it doesn't feel right / good to her, what makes her think that it would feel right / good for another?

Sympathy? No... I hope she gets the book thrown at her too!

JMO....

Maybe that would be true if this was some normal 16 Yo.
I am guessing that this girl herself was molested and possible emotionally imature. Not a normal well adjusted 16 yo.
Why is it assumed she knew this was wrong? If her uncle has been doing this to her for many years?
Your expecting this 16 yo to have normal reactions and emotions when clearly based on her uncle being there for this it shows some serious serious abnormaility in that family.
If this is "normal" in her life she can't possibily have the ability to think of the rights and wrongs like we do.

What I want to know is where were the people that should have protected this 16 YO when she was 11?
This is not some situation that cropped up out of the blue. There is clearly some foundation and history that made that 16 YO do this.
Furthermore I don't know how accurate it is to place the blame on her when there were others there who were much older. I am a heck of a lot more inclined to look at the adults.

[BillyGoatGruff]

Maybe that would be true if this was some normal 16 Yo.
I am guessing that this girl herself was molested and possible emotionally imature. Not a normal well adjusted 16 yo.
Why is it assumed she knew this was wrong? If her uncle has been doing this to her for many years?
Your expecting this 16 yo to have normal reactions and emotions when clearly based on her uncle being there for this it shows some serious serious abnormaility in that family.
If this is "normal" in her life she can't possibily have the ability to think of the rights and wrongs like we do.

What I want to know is where were the people that should have protected this 16 YO when she was 11?
This is not some situation that cropped up out of the blue. There is clearly some foundation and history that made that 16 YO do this.
Furthermore I don't know how accurate it is to place the blame on her when there were others there who were much older. I am a heck of a lot more inclined to look at the adults.Yeah, the 40 year old uncle being in this perverse mix really hints at long-standing, systemic sexual abuse across the board.

Also, while HIV transmission in this case is very low, most people don't realize they can contract gonorrheal infections via oral sex--in this case the gonorrhea makes its home in the sinus cavity. I knew someone who had this happen to them in the 1970s. She eventually lost all her teeth before the age of 40 due to it.

[christine2448]

This is not some situation that cropped up out of the blue. There is clearly some foundation and history that made that 16 YO do this.
Furthermore I don't know how accurate it is to place the blame on her when there were others there who were much older. I am a heck of a lot more inclined to look at the adults.
I'm with Amra on this one. Clearly there is and has been a lot more going on in this household, with all of these people and this 16 yr old.

Quote from Sewing Deb link http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=494435
Gurley said he got home from his job as a butcher at about 9 p.m. Sept. 4, used some cocaine, put the rest of his chicken dinner in the refrigerator and began drinking Milwaukee's Best beer. He went to a locked bedroom in his house in the 3700 block of N. 6th St. where he heard "moaning" from inside and eventually was let into the room, where he saw "12, 13 or 14" other men and teens present. He said the girl was freely having sex with several men during the hour he was present, but another man in the room had told her not to have sex with Gurley. She eventually acquiesced, he said, at someone else's urging. The criminal complaint says that person was the 15-year-old boy who is charged.


OK, I think I would come home from work, and dang well know if there were 12,13, or 14 teens present in my home. Was this a regular occurance at this home??? This guy was there snortin and drinkin and eatin chicken while 12, 13 or 14 teens were having sex in another room??? Then he joined in. :bang: This is messed up, this whole thing, sickening. We should have sympathy for all of the young children involved here, clearly they ALL have some serious problems with behavior like this going on. And all of the ADULTS, every last one of them that were in that home should be CHARGED to the fullest extent of the law. JMO, FWIW.

[SewingDeb]

I checked out that link Deb thank you for providing it.
This story just gets sicker and sicker!

I hope every one of the people in that room get the book thrown at them!! There's a lot more than those who have been charged so far.

OB

You're welcome. This whole thing makes me sick. They had to know she wasn't 19 or 20 and even if she had been, what gives them the right to use her like this??

I hope they all get the book thrown at them, too. The HIV thing has to have them scared...serves them right.

[Maybe So]

The 11 year old was abused when she was 5 years old and is also HIV positive and her mother died of AIDS? What a life. Why would anyone want to have sex with a child in the first place but to have group sex going on with an HIV positive child is just plain sick on so many levels I can't even begin to understand what these people are even thinking.

[BirdieBoo]

I also agree with Amraan...there was an adult there, the rest of these children were minors.

Teenagers having sex, experimenting sexually...it happens, in fact it happens a lot.

Teens having sex when adults are around and participating, is a different story. And by "adults", I do not mean 18 yr olds. Most teens do NOT want adults around for their sexual experimentation.

The girl had obviously been sexually abused and think it was "normal", for her to think that it would be OK for it to happen to the 11 yr old too.

Also, it is her 40-year old coke addict child rapist uncle who is apparently pointing the finger at her!

[Amraann]

There is an old case...
I don't think I have ever seen it here...
But this "father" (using the word loosly) Molested his daughter for years and then killed his entire family.

At some point the social workers learned of his actions against his daughter.
Of course she was still sent back...
BUT if I recall when he was accused.. He, like this dirt bag uncle claimed it was the girls fault.

This 40 YO man wants us to believe he just walked in on this scene and it was the fault of the 16 yo????
OK I am not sure if I am more sickened by that notion or the one of the police who backed him up by charging her?

[LovelyPigeon]

The 11 year old was abused when she was 5 years old and is also HIV positive and her mother died of AIDS? What a life. Why would anyone want to have sex with a child in the first place but to have group sex going on with an HIV positive child is just plain sick on so many levels I can't even begin to understand what these people are even thinking.

It's not clear yet how many ,if any, knew the actual age of the girl, and I doubt that any of them knew she was HIV positive. OTOH, some of those willing to engage in unprotected sex with a stranger in the circumstances described in that house may be HIV positive themselves, or maybe just character negative.

It all sounds like such a disgusting scene and it does illustrate the sexual depravities that humans are willing to participate in. One young female and a dozen or more males either participating in or watching the sexual activity being participated in!

The age of the child makes the situation all the more ugly, but if she had actually been 18+ it would still be awful.

Sometimes it just makes one want to despair over what goes on the world, around the world, on a daily basis!

[Jeana (DP)]

I think that sexual behavior has been a way of life for this little girl probably as far back as she can remember. She most likely considers it "affection," and "love" that she didn't get from the adults in her family during the most important time in her life. This is what she knows, most likely from seeing it day in and day out.

[Masterj]

I think that sexual behavior has been a way of life for this little girl probably as far back as she can remember. She most likely considers it "affection," and "love" that she didn't get from the adults in her family during the most important time in her life. This is what she knows, most likely from seeing it day in and day out.
I think you are exactly right. It is absolutely heartbreaking.

[LovelyPigeon]

I also think that this girl considers sexual behavior to be a way of life, which is just a heartbreaker. What becomes "normal" can be so far off actual normal!

Sex equals affection and/or love to so many people of all ages, and yet there's so much more to love than sex alone. What a pity that just pure, unconditional love is absent from so many lives.

I have no idea what the solution is. I just despair for the world-wide exploitations of so many, of all ages.

And I'm so grateful for a mostly 'normal' family who loved me unconditionally and provided moral guidelines to me that are applicable over my lifetime.

[Masterj]

And I'm so grateful for a mostly 'normal' family who loved me unconditionally and provided moral guidelines to me that are applicable over my lifetime.
In this regard, we are both very lucky LovelyPigeon. This story is making me very emotional. I hope this CHILD gets the help and support she needs so she can eventually have some semblance of a normal life. Unfortunately, the odds are overwhelmingly against her.

[angelmom]

And I'm so grateful for a mostly 'normal' family who loved me unconditionally and provided moral guidelines to me that are applicable over my lifetime.

Me too! We were at our school picnic this weekend and I was watching all of the kids. My son is 11, so the girls in his class are the same age as this little girl. There is NO WAY a sane person could mistake any one of them for 19 or 20. Some look older than they are, but maybe 14 or 15 tops. And some look about 8-9! They all still have a definite childlike appearance.

I was watching them all run around together and barely acknowledge the opposite sex, getting quiet and shy or goofy when they had to be next to each other in line or something...it made me sad all over again thinking of this poor child. What in the hell happened? :furious:

[Dr. Doogie]

The bottom line is that a 40 year old came home from work to discover numerous underage teenagers having group sex in his apartment. His reaction is to snort cocaine and have oral sex with an 11 year old girl (who he claimed looked 19-to-20). WTF!?! No amount of rationalization or "explaination" on his part removes one ounce of responsibilty from this dirtbag. The verdict is: GUILTY AS HELL!!!

[Brefie]

I don't believe for a second that this man thought she was 19 or 20. And here is the kicker, even if he did, what kind of 40 yr old man sees what is happening and doesn't think, "Crap, I need to get this child out of here."

If I saw a 19 yr old getting used and abused like that, my thoughts would immediately go to how this poor baby needs to be saved. And I am 28 - not 40.

[Amraann]

To take that all one step further ............

Your uncle walks in on several teens........ I don't know about anyone elses Uncle but I can sure as hell tell you that my own would be kicking the A$$'s
EVEN *if* this uncle (using that term very loosly) "thought" the 11 YO was 19 which I do not believe for even a millisecond, but lets say he really thought that.. just for the sake of a stupid arguement...........
Your going to let your 16 YO watch it???
Because he sure as hell cant say he doesn't know how old she is!
The fact that he thought it was ok to do this in front of his neice SCREAMS many things to me and each one of them worse then the next.

If an adult in their own dwelling is found guilty of permitting teens to drink or drinking with them the charges would be pretty stiff and I am not sure the teens would be charged..
So I have to ask why that is not the case now?
These kids all need some serious counseling and this dirt ball FORTY Year old needs to go away for a very long long time.

[Sheromom]

Update:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16118862/