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Dark Knight
10-03-2006, 06:42 AM
The Andersons were very brutally murdered in their Mongo, IN, home in October of 2005. There is now a website set up by Terry's daughter in hopes of finding who murdered them. This case has bugged me (and a lot of us) for awhile, so any ideas would be welcomed.

Here is the site, which includes a link to a story on the murder:

http://terryanddarleen.com/index.php

docwho3
10-03-2006, 11:51 AM
I had to dig really hard to find any info at all about this murder case.
And even now all I know is the bare bones of the case.
They were beaten to death in separate locations on their property and found separately and guns and weapons (some of which were possibly more valuable than average guns and weapons would be) were stolen from the property.

He (terry) was an avid fisherman and outdoors type from what I could read and he was mentioned and his picture (a copy of the one shown on the family website) was shown on the website of at least one pro fisherman.

It was not mentioned in the news articles but I wonder if their bank cards were stolen and used after the crime? Someone obviously believed he had a worthwhile stash of something hidden on his property and was willing to beat both him and his wife to get the information. He was evidently a colorful character, according to his family website, and I wonder if there were any local legends about him having a stash of money or something else circulating among the local teens?

I have so little to go on here so pardon me if I step out and speculate (sort of thinking out loud.) No sign of forced entry could mean anything from he was surprised at the door to meaning he knew his attackers. Remembering a past case where someone was attacked in his own home by someone looking for a stash of money I remember that person knew his attacker because he had been a previous client of the victem. I wonder if there was some small relationship between the victems and the perps in this case. I wonder if they either knew them in some slight way (Maybe he had met them once while fishing or maybe the perps had done some work for him) or if the perps were relatives of someone that had known Terry and his wife. I don't think the relationship was a close one but just enough that he might have let them in his home if they showed up at the door (or maybe he didnt lock the door and they just walked in - who knows.)

The update I read said the police had several persons of interest in mind.

docwho3
10-04-2006, 03:46 AM
I don't remember if it was listed or not but I wonder also if any of his fishing gear was missing or had been searched through?

Dark Knight
10-04-2006, 03:22 PM
I had to dig really hard to find any info at all about this murder case.
And even now all I know is the bare bones of the case.
They were beaten to death in separate locations on their property and found separately and guns and weapons (some of which were possibly more valuable than average guns and weapons would be) were stolen from the property.

He (terry) was an avid fisherman and outdoors type from what I could read and he was mentioned and his picture (a copy of the one shown on the family website) was shown on the website of at least one pro fisherman.

It was not mentioned in the news articles but I wonder if their bank cards were stolen and used after the crime? Someone obviously believed he had a worthwhile stash of something hidden on his property and was willing to beat both him and his wife to get the information. He was evidently a colorful character, according to his family website, and I wonder if there were any local legends about him having a stash of money or something else circulating among the local teens?

I have so little to go on here so pardon me if I step out and speculate (sort of thinking out loud.) No sign of forced entry could mean anything from he was surprised at the door to meaning he knew his attackers. Remembering a past case where someone was attacked in his own home by someone looking for a stash of money I remember that person knew his attacker because he had been a previous client of the victem. I wonder if there was some small relationship between the victems and the perps in this case. I wonder if they either knew them in some slight way (Maybe he had met them once while fishing or maybe the perps had done some work for him) or if the perps were relatives of someone that had known Terry and his wife. I don't think the relationship was a close one but just enough that he might have let them in his home if they showed up at the door (or maybe he didnt lock the door and they just walked in - who knows.)

The update I read said the police had several persons of interest in mind.
Yeah, there isn't much online about it, but I am hoping the website will provide more in coming weeks.

I agree that the victims knew the murderer(s). They had to.

Thanks for your help!

docwho3
10-04-2006, 10:01 PM
. . .I agree that the victims knew the murderer(s). They had to.

Thanks for your help!One thing that jumps out at me is that they were both beaten to death but were not found in the same place. It makes me think they were probably beaten to death in different places and that, in turn, makes me think this was a very deliberate interrogation as if someone was expecting and looking for a certain bit of info about where to find something and did not want the two victems to know what each other had said when giving answers.

But, of course, until more info is released that too is only speculation.

Dark Knight
10-05-2006, 02:42 PM
I'm corresponding with the daughter of the victims. She feels strongly it is someone very close to her parents. She also said no family members seem supportive of her current efforts.

Anyone have any questions you'd like me to ask her?

lymom3
10-05-2006, 03:10 PM
Unfortunately to me, and MOO, your second two sentences seem to speak volumes about the situation. I wish her luck but getting anyone to talk would seemingly be a real undertaking.

Dark Knight
10-05-2006, 04:13 PM
Here is a direct quote from one of their daughter's e-mails to me:

In two weeks will be the one year anniversary of their horrific murder and each and every moment I breathe - I think of my dad and Darleen. I would be more than grateful to receive anything from ANYONE who would be willing to help me and my husband. I have not been getting any help from my dad's siblings or Darleen's brothers - not even a phone call (can't imagine why) saying that they are excited about all the efforts I have placed with the web-site, billboard and up-teen emails I have sent out these past 12months... Send me anything and everything you feel is worth it - and then some that you might not think - it still might work. I know in my heart that someone very very close to my dad and Darleen did this crime - I FEEL IT... I intend to NEVER stop trying to find out until they put me in the ground...

docwho3
10-05-2006, 04:18 PM
I'm corresponding with the daughter of the victims. She feels strongly it is someone very close to her parents. She also said no family members seem supportive of her current efforts.

Anyone have any questions you'd like me to ask her?
I guess I posted my own questions earlier - lol.

Is there any evidence or info that L.E. is specifically looking for, that the many internet readers can be on the lookout to spot? (Such as certain guns or other gear showing up on Ebay or identification of any other evidence not currently explained?) She might want to confer with L.E. and make sure she does not release any info that they feel would jeopardize their investigation. Advise to keep excellent relations with L.E. even when it seems very hard to do so.

Other than that please let her know to have faith and know that others of us send our prayers and good wishes in support.

mfmangel1
10-06-2006, 02:03 AM
Here is a direct quote from one of their daughter's e-mails to me:

In two weeks will be the one year anniversary of their horrific murder and each and every moment I breathe - I think of my dad and Darleen. I would be more than grateful to receive anything from ANYONE who would be willing to help me and my husband. I have not been getting any help from my dad's siblings or Darleen's brothers - not even a phone call (can't imagine why) saying that they are excited about all the efforts I have placed with the web-site, billboard and up-teen emails I have sent out these past 12months... Send me anything and everything you feel is worth it - and then some that you might not think - it still might work. I know in my heart that someone very very close to my dad and Darleen did this crime - I FEEL IT... I intend to NEVER stop trying to find out until they put me in the ground...
I feel very badly that the daughter's family is not supporting her in her efforts and she is having to face this alone.

Surely LE has verified all alibis for all family members and friends by now....Right?

Dark Knight
10-07-2006, 07:18 PM
She has joined WS and will be taking part in this thread, she tells me.

Boy, she has told me some things that make it clear to me who is PROBABLY responsible, and it's a sad thought, for sure. But I will let her tell that and you can decide.

Rosco
10-08-2006, 12:01 AM
I don't remember if it was listed or not but I wonder also if any of his fishing gear was missing or had been searched through?
No fishing gear was taken. Several guns- one my dad had always by him with a light on it..a cross bow - but the arrows were left behind, some collector coins that were hanging around in the barn on the table in a glass ashtray. Also some cash - like 6-10K. Wallet was open and still there.. empty of money. Dad was about to purchase/exchange his 3yr old boat for a new boat for his guide service. Had appointment that sat - told my husband the Tues before.. We were scheduled to go deer hunting open season - November 2005.. Dad said he would have his new boat by then and Eric and him would 'get it wet'. No money found. The safe was locked - no big money when they opened it. House was not overly trashed. Over kill is all I can tell everyone. Crushed them so I could only have closed caskets. I don't think Dad and Darleen felt a threat to the visitor's they had than night. I feel it was more than one person. Better more than one - now it's not a secret cuz two people know.

Rosco
10-08-2006, 12:14 AM
I feel very badly that the daughter's family is not supporting her in her efforts and she is having to face this alone.

Surely LE has verified all alibis for all family members and friends by now....Right?
Thanks for those kinds thoughts. I am very sad that I am not getting any support. I do have my husband who hurts as I do. My Pastor brother is a great help spiritually. He's my preacher boy and gives me the words sometimes I need to get me thru another moment. My mother is also the best medicine. She loved dad - even after all the BS and years of pain in the past. She is a huge supporter! Bless my mom. I love her so much. LE is well aware of every move we have made and what personal issues we have been given. I think it builds a case and shows personallity. LE has ideas. It's a huge buzz in DA's office. I think that majority of other family feels either scared of the truth or would rather ignore. It's only speculation tho. I can't account for anyone's actions on why they do or not do things. But - It's not in my nature to ignore.

Dark Knight
10-08-2006, 01:19 AM
FYI - Rosco is the daughter of the victims. Thanks for joining us, Rosco.

I just read your latest e-mail. There is little doubt in my mind they knew the victims very well. Maybe you can relay some of that same info on here and let others chime in. Or I can C and P with your permission.

Dark Knight
10-08-2006, 01:52 AM
It should also be noted that it was another daughter, I'll call her "A", who found the bodies and called the police. She is continuing to live in that same house and had rented part of it out to someone within 3 weeks of the murders. She was quoted at the time of the murders in a local newspaper that she would make her parents dreams her dreams, such as a full wrap around porch, tear down the barn, new siding, new curtains, new furniture, electrical work, and now a security system, all in memory of them. (I still have the newspaper article.)

gardenmom
10-08-2006, 02:02 AM
Roscoe, I just got done reading the stories you wrote about Terry and Darlene. I am very touched. You really made Terry's personality come alive for me. I really hope that their killers are found, and quickly.

Was the money that was stolen to be used for the purchase of a boat? Was he selling a boat? Did someone perhaps come under false pretenses to buy the boat? It woudn't be the first time that happened.

BTW, I am so impressed with your career choice of sign language interpreting. That is something I am also interested in. I've taken ASL 1, in CA, but then we moved to NC and all they have in my college is SEE. I refuse to take it. I may take a class online.

blaize
10-08-2006, 03:48 AM
Thanks for those kinds thoughts. I am very sad that I am not getting any support. I do have my husband who hurts as I do. My Pastor brother is a great help spiritually. He's my preacher boy and gives me the words sometimes I need to get me thru another moment. My mother is also the best medicine. She loved dad - even after all the BS and years of pain in the past. She is a huge supporter! Bless my mom. I love her so much. LE is well aware of every move we have made and what personal issues we have been given. I think it builds a case and shows personallity. LE has ideas. It's a huge buzz in DA's office. I think that majority of other family feels either scared of the truth or would rather ignore. It's only speculation tho. I can't account for anyone's actions on why they do or not do things. But - It's not in my nature to ignore.Hello Rosco. I'm very sorry for your loss. I have a few questions for you if you don't mind please?

1. Was the area where Terry & Darlene lived rural or semi-rural?

2. How close was their nearest neighbour?

3. Did any of the neighbours notice any unusual comings & goings to or from the property?

4. Had there been any similar crimes in the surrounding area during the previous six months to a year, with or without violence?

5. Is it possible to find out who else knew that Terry was going to buy a new boat and had a large amount of cash on the premises within the timeframe of the few days before he was to purchase the boat?

6. Forgive the crudity & bluntness of this next question please. Did the coroner or law enforcement give any indication of who was killed first? And if so were they able to indicate if the second victim was fleeing or had been forced to watch the first victim's demise and then had to take the murderers to where ever the money or other valuables were stored?

7. Have any of the stolen 'items turned up', especially any of the guns?

8. Is it possible that other family members are afraid of someone with a history of violence or abuse and this is holding them back from helping?

Again sorry for your loss and I hope LE track down whoever murdered Terry & Darlene soon.

blaize

Dark Knight
10-08-2006, 04:43 AM
Here are some links to the original newspaper reports at the time of the murder, in decending chronological order (more recent at top)

http://www.fwdailynews.com/articles/2005/10/27/the_news-sun/news-99051.txt (http://www.fwdailynews.com/articles/2005/10/27/the_news-sun/news-99051.txt)

http://www.fwdailynews.com/articles/2005/10/23/the_news-sun/news-98808.txt

http://www.fwdailynews.com/articles/2005/12/28/the_news-sun/news-102563.txt

http://www.fwdailynews.com/articles/2005/10/22/herald-republican/news-98731.txt

blaize
10-08-2006, 05:07 AM
Here are some links to the original newspaper reports at the time of the murder, in decending chronological order (more recent at top)

http://www.fwdailynews.com/articles/2005/10/27/the_news-sun/news-99051.txt (http://www.fwdailynews.com/articles/2005/10/27/the_news-sun/news-99051.txt)

http://www.fwdailynews.com/articles/2005/10/23/the_news-sun/news-98808.txt

http://www.fwdailynews.com/articles/2005/12/28/the_news-sun/news-102563.txt

http://www.fwdailynews.com/articles/2005/10/22/herald-republican/news-98731.txtSorry DK, if you're not a paid subscriber to their print editions you have to pay for access to read their archives so maybe you could post a synopsis of the info in the articles please?

blaize

Rosco
10-08-2006, 09:20 AM
Hello Rosco. I'm very sorry for your loss. I have a few questions for you if you don't mind please?

1. Was the area where Terry & Darlene lived rural or semi-rural?

2. How close was their nearest neighbour?

3. Did any of the neighbours notice any unusual comings & goings to or from the property?

4. Had there been any similar crimes in the surrounding area during the previous six months to a year, with or without violence?

5. Is it possible to find out who else knew that Terry was going to buy a new boat and had a large amount of cash on the premises within the timeframe of the few days before he was to purchase the boat?

6. Forgive the crudity & bluntness of this next question please. Did the coroner or law enforcement give any indication of who was killed first? And if so were they able to indicate if the second victim was fleeing or had been forced to watch the first victim's demise and then had to take the murderers to where ever the money or other valuables were stored?

7. Have any of the stolen 'items turned up', especially any of the guns?

8. Is it possible that other family members are afraid of someone with a history of violence or abuse and this is holding them back from helping?

Again sorry for your loss and I hope LE track down whoever murdered Terry & Darlene soon.

blaize

Thank you for your prayers.

- My father lived on 11 aches. Three large dwellings on the land and rest was woods.

-Nearest neighbor is well over 4 city blocks away - across a big feild of corn. They lived there over 35yrs.

- neighbors heard/saw nothing - I was also told that LE never interviewed neighbors. Asking questions -knocking on doors. Strange huh?

- FIRST homiside in LaGrange County is 4yrs... no similar.

- Dad would not have sold boat to stranger. Trusted only dealership. Had personal relation with sales person at dealership. Had spoken just that week to come into shop and look

- Coroner ruled Darleen died first. Just cuz she was found first. They can't tell time of death - I think it was within minutes of each other. Darleen was inside and warm - decomp would come sooner - Dad was on concrete and it was Oct - cold outside..

- nothing showing up as far as the guns or anything else - far as I know. LE does not share too much of that info. But that Larry Carpenter charector the other week has me thinking he knows something - he is connected someway with that person living in the house. Both came from Sturgis and FLA - both were previously in jail for drug charges.

- I think that other family members have longtime issues with feelings about my dad and darleen. Others have not been all that close to me in the 20yrs nor to dad. History of money and issues that stem back 40yrs ago - It's history to me and some people just can't set it aside I am guessing. I am shocked tho about darleen's brothers. One would like to think that they would step up to plate and help me out.

I feel that LE and help with the public the parties will be caught and conficted.... I truly will work until my body shuts down...and then my family will continue the fight for justice!!!

I will continue to read this and reply as I can...

My heart hangs low but my head is held high and I intend to keep it there!

gardenmom
10-08-2006, 09:33 AM
Sorry DK, if you're not a paid subscriber to their print editions you have to pay for access to read their archives so maybe you could post a synopsis of the info in the articles please?

blaize
I even tried bugmenot password and still cannot get in.

blaize
10-08-2006, 10:00 AM
Thank you for your prayers.

- My father lived on 11 aches. Three large dwellings on the land and rest was woods.

-Nearest neighbor is well over 4 city blocks away - across a big feild of corn. They lived there over 35yrs.

- neighbors heard/saw nothing - I was also told that LE never interviewed neighbors. Asking questions -knocking on doors. Strange huh?

- FIRST homiside in LaGrange County is 4yrs... no similar.

- Dad would not have sold boat to stranger. Trusted only dealership. Had personal relation with sales person at dealership. Had spoken just that week to come into shop and look

- Coroner ruled Darleen died first. Just cuz she was found first. They can't tell time of death - I think it was within minutes of each other. Darleen was inside and warm - decomp would come sooner - Dad was on concrete and it was Oct - cold outside..

- nothing showing up as far as the guns or anything else - far as I know. LE does not share too much of that info. But that Larry Carpenter charector the other week has me thinking he knows something - he is connected someway with that person living in the house. Both came from Sturgis and FLA - both were previously in jail for drug charges.

- I think that other family members have longtime issues with feelings about my dad and darleen. Others have not been all that close to me in the 20yrs nor to dad. History of money and issues that stem back 40yrs ago - It's history to me and some people just can't set it aside I am guessing. I am shocked tho about darleen's brothers. One would like to think that they would step up to plate and help me out.

I feel that LE and help with the public the parties will be caught and conficted.... I truly will work until my body shuts down...and then my family will continue the fight for justice!!!

I will continue to read this and reply as I can...

My heart hangs low but my head is held high and I intend to keep it there!Hello Rosco, thanks for replying so quickly.

It sounds very curious that LE did not interview neighbours perhaps they too already have a suspect closer to home in mind too?

My question about similar crimes in the area should have included burgalaries too but in Terry & Darlene's case it just sounds too convenient, that someone knew there was a large amount of cash on the premises at the time and that within a few days the money would no longer be there.

If I can piece together from what the coroner thinks it would seem that someone was let into or forced their way into the house? Were their signs of forced entry?

Who is Larry Carpenter? Did the person who is now living in the house have a previous relationship or connection with Terry & Darlene? Be very careful about asking Larry Carpenter questions, if you suspect he knows something alert the detective in charge of the investigation rather than tackle him yourself.

Money issues and estrangements aren't unusual between family members but yes you would hope that people would pull together at a time like this. Could it be that Darlene's brothers are handling it their own way and staying contact with LE?

I thnk you're right about LE finding out who did this but in the meantime you should know that the people here at websleuths are a god lot and will weigh in and offer support and suggestions where possible.

Keep your chin up Rosco.

blaize

blaize
10-08-2006, 10:02 AM
I even tried bugmenot password and still cannot get in.Perhaps someone with access could synopsize the information at the links and post it here in this forum please.

blaize

Dark Knight
10-08-2006, 12:33 PM
Sorry DK, if you're not a paid subscriber to their print editions you have to pay for access to read their archives so maybe you could post a synopsis of the info in the articles please?

blaize
Ah, crap. I'll see if I can get permission to reprint the entire articles. In the meantime I will try to C and P the more interesting stuff.

Dark Knight
10-08-2006, 12:34 PM
Rosco also told me that their dog was put on a chain, and it is NEVER on a chain. It always had free reign of the property.

That sounds like some other murders we've talked about, eh?

blaize
10-08-2006, 12:47 PM
Ah, crap. I'll see if I can get permission to reprint the entire articles. In the meantime I will try to C and P the more interesting stuff.Thanks DK that'd be helpful.

blaize

blaize
10-08-2006, 12:50 PM
Rosco also told me that their dog was put on a chain, and it is NEVER on a chain. It always had free reign of the property.

That sounds like some other murders we've talked about, eh?That is interesting. Did Terry or Darlene chain the dog becase they knew the person visiting? Hmm I wonder would it be worthwhile to check the phone records for all incoming calls to the landline and mobiles in the few days before the murders to see if someone called ahead for whatever reason?

blaize

Rosco
10-08-2006, 01:08 PM
Hello Rosco, thanks for replying so quickly.

It sounds very curious that LE did not interview neighbours perhaps they too alread have a suspect closer to home in mind too?

My question about similar crimes in the area should have included burgalaries too but in Terry & Darlene's case it just sounds too convenient, that someone knew there was a large amount of cash on the premises at the time and that within a few days the money would no longer be there.

If I can piece together from what the coroner thinks it would seem that someone was let into or forced their way into the house? Were their signs of forced entry?

Who is Larry Carpenter? Did the person who is now living in the house have a previous relationship or connection with Terry & Darlene? Be very careful about asking Larry Carpenter questions, if you suspect he knows something alert the detective in charge of the investigation rather than tackle him yourself.

Money issues and estrangements aren't unusual between family members but yes you would hope that people would pull together at a time like this. Could it be that Darlene's brothers are handling it their own way and staying contact with LE?

I thnk you're right about LE finding out who did this but in the meantime you should know that the people here at websleuths are a god lot and will weigh in and offer support and suggestions where possible.

Keep your chin up Rosco.

blaize
Larry carpenter is the charector that was just arrested for false/misslead information to the LE. See any local paper about a week ago. Already in custody - talks smack...seems to know nothing tho. LE said. I think there is a connection with Larry Mack (guy living in house) and Larry Carpenter (guy arrested last week) both from Sturgis and FLA.. arrested for drug possesion and other felony issues. What connection to A.. I don't know. Only Mack is friend of x-boyfriend - who is 21yrs old. Mack is well into his 50's. Connection there maybe drugs

No forced entery.. no indication of struggle. no defence wounds. suprised...

Alot of drug busts in the area. Meth seems to be the choice around those parts. Read alot about the side effects of the Meth drug. Can really scare you.

Dark Knight
10-08-2006, 01:21 PM
Larry carpenter is the charector that was just arrested for false/misslead information to the LE. See any local paper about a week ago. Already in custody - talks smack...seems to know nothing tho. LE said. I think there is a connection with Larry Mack (guy living in house) and Larry Carpenter (guy arrested last week) both from Sturgis and FLA.. arrested for drug possesion and other felony issues. What connection to A.. I don't know. Only Mack is friend of x-boyfriend - who is 21yrs old. Mack is well into his 50's. Connection there maybe drugs

No forced entery.. no indication of struggle. no defence wounds. suprised...

Alot of drug busts in the area. Meth seems to be the choice around those parts. Read alot about the side effects of the Meth drug. Can really scare you.
Larry Mack, who moved into your murdered parents house within 3 weeks, is a friend of the victim's daughter's ("A") ex-boyfriend????? The same daughter who "found" the bodies?

In the newspaper report, "A" said when she called 911 she told them Darleen had a gunshot wound to the head. But wouldn't such a savage beating look far different from a gunshot? You used the word "crushed" to describe their heads.

Where did "A" receive the money for all the renovations she told the newspaper she was going to do to the house, and did she ever do them?

Dark Knight
10-08-2006, 01:24 PM
Larry carpenter is the charector that was just arrested for false/misslead information to the LE. See any local paper about a week ago. Already in custody - talks smack...seems to know nothing tho. LE said. I think there is a connection with Larry Mack (guy living in house) and Larry Carpenter (guy arrested last week) both from Sturgis and FLA.. arrested for drug possesion and other felony issues. What connection to A.. I don't know. Only Mack is friend of x-boyfriend - who is 21yrs old. Mack is well into his 50's. Connection there maybe drugs

No forced entery.. no indication of struggle. no defence wounds. suprised...

Alot of drug busts in the area. Meth seems to be the choice around those parts. Read alot about the side effects of the Meth drug. Can really scare you.
Also, Terry was struck from behind, but you told me Darleen was struck from the front and would have seen her attacker. It seems odd that she would not have any defensive wounds. Like she knew her attacker and wasn't threatened by them.

Tom'sGirl
10-08-2006, 07:17 PM
[QUOTE=Dark Knight]FYI - Rosco is the daughter of the victims. Thanks for joining us, Rosco.
Is Rosco Sherry of Chicago who posted here?

http://www.topix.net/forum/city/mongo-in/T4JF661MSE95QGA40 (http://www.topix.net/forum/city/mongo-in/T4JF661MSE95QGA40)

Tom'sGirl
10-08-2006, 07:21 PM
[QUOTE=blaize] Who is Larry Carpenter?
Felon accused of lying to detectives in Mongo slayings
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/15628238.htm (http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/15628238.htm)

Former Sturgis man charged with misleading Mongo murder investigation
http://wthd.net/content/view/2356/2/ (http://wthd.net/content/view/2356/2/)

Dark Knight
10-08-2006, 07:24 PM
[QUOTE]
Felon accused of lying to detectives in Mongo slayings
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/15628238.htm (http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/15628238.htm)

Former Sturgis man charged with misleading Mongo murder investigation
http://wthd.net/content/view/2356/2/ (http://wthd.net/content/view/2356/2/)
That's the dude.

Dark Knight
10-08-2006, 08:13 PM
[QUOTE]
Is Rosco Sherry of Chicago who posted here?

http://www.topix.net/forum/city/mongo-in/T4JF661MSE95QGA40 (http://www.topix.net/forum/city/mongo-in/T4JF661MSE95QGA40)
If it is, maybe she doesn't want her name or location posted on here. :crazy: :slap:

Tom'sGirl
10-08-2006, 08:24 PM
If it is, maybe she doesn't want her name or location posted on here. :crazy: :slap:
I just found it strange that at topix the name was posted as Darlene, and here she is typing Darleen :waitasec:

Dark Knight
10-08-2006, 08:29 PM
I just found it strange that at topix the name was posted as Darlene, and here she is typing Darleen :waitasec:
It's Darleen. Darleen isn't her biological mother, Terry was her biological dad, however.

Tom'sGirl
10-08-2006, 08:42 PM
It's Darleen. Darleen isn't her biological mother, Terry was her biological dad, however.
I know that it isn't her biological mother, but last summer she spelled it wrong, so maybe she didn't know her dad's wife all that well :confused:

Dark Knight
10-08-2006, 08:55 PM
I know that it isn't her biological mother, but last summer she spelled it wrong, so maybe she didn't know her dad's wife all that well :confused:
It's an easy mental mistake to make I figure. Is it relevant to the case?

Tom'sGirl
10-08-2006, 09:07 PM
It's an easy mental mistake to make I figure. Is it relevant to the case?
I don't know if it is or not, I just thought it strange that's all.

blaize
10-09-2006, 08:28 AM
I don't know if it is or not, I just thought it strange that's all.The important thing is that on topix and here the posters are looking for help and information in solving these murders.

This Larry Carpenter character seems like a nasty piece of work though doesn't he?

And the other one Larry Mack, the man renting part of the house from "A" is also involved in drugs and connected in some way to "A" ex-boyfriend? I assume LE are aware of all these connections to the dark underbelly of society?

If it's not too indelicate a question to ask but where was "A" living when the murders occurred?

If "A" did not live with Terry & Darleen, did her ex-boyfriend have any reason to visit their house at any stage?

Sorry for all the questions but I'm trying to get a clear picture of what could have happened.

blaize

Rosco
10-09-2006, 10:34 AM
[QUOTE]
Is Rosco Sherry of Chicago who posted here?

http://www.topix.net/forum/city/mongo-in/T4JF661MSE95QGA40 (http://www.topix.net/forum/city/mongo-in/T4JF661MSE95QGA40)
It is me.

Rosco
10-09-2006, 10:47 AM
I know that it isn't her biological mother, but last summer she spelled it wrong, so maybe she didn't know her dad's wife all that well :confused:
I knew my family very well. Fact - Darleen always spelled MY name wrong too. Spell-check always changes the name too - not the traditional way of spelling.

Rosco
10-09-2006, 10:53 AM
It's an easy mental mistake to make I figure. Is it relevant to the case?
No.. not relevant to a double homiside of my family members. I was as close as any distance relationship can be. - if not closer as I spoke to them every week... I could walk around their house nude if I wanted - we were as close as that...Thank you Dark Knight. Darleen ALWAYS spelled my name wrong on b-day cards and christmas. Not the traditional way. Never thought about the spelling when I was typing the forum... I was only trying to get the information out.. The cross on my fathers property that his long life friend of 40yrs also spelled darleen's name wrong.. Just happens sometimes.

Rosco
10-09-2006, 11:15 AM
If it is, maybe she doesn't want her name or location posted on here. :crazy: :slap:
I have no problem of my name being in public. I am not ashamed nor afraid.

Rosco
10-09-2006, 11:26 AM
The important thing is that on topix and here the posters are looking for help and information in solving these murders.

This Larry Carpenter character seems like a nasty piece of work though doesn't he?

And the other one Larry Mack, the man renting part of the house from "A" is also involved in drugs and connected in some way to "A" ex-boyfriend? I assume LE are aware of all these connections to the dark underbelly of society?

If it's not too indelicate a question to ask but where was "A" living when the murders occurred?

If "A" did not live with Terry & Darleen, did her ex-boyfriend have any reason to visit their house at any stage?

Sorry for all the questions but I'm trying to get a clear picture of what could have happened.

blaize
Amen Blaize. Thanks.

TOTALLY nasty piece of work Blaize - that larry carpenter... Just got me boiling when I heard about where he came from and that he's even making stories up about my family and the murders...

Larry Mack - his connection is a friend of x-boyfriend... LE fully aware of all relationships by this time in the ball-game already. I make sure that LE and DA is aware of every piece of information - to show charector and actions from parties AFTER the fact...

A- was living with x-boyfriend on a lake in a small little trailer.. JUST moved out together a few months prior. My family visited dad and darleen July 2005 and seen her/x-boyfriends place.. She still had room at dad's place - still her home as far as darleen as concerned.. thought she would come to her sences maybe one day... Ate.. watched TV - hung out still at dad's place..BOTH did... x-boyfriend was treated like family member so anytime him to visit would never come to question. X-boyfriend also worked with Dad.. same company.. worked together - close...Dad helps x-boyfriend out of a few 'jams' with the law.. not drug stuff tho - just traffic stuff and DL issues.

Dark Knight
10-09-2006, 12:26 PM
Amen Blaize. Thanks.

TOTALLY nasty piece of work Blaize - that larry carpenter... Just got me boiling when I heard about where he came from and that he's even making stories up about my family and the murders...

Larry Mack - his connection is a friend of x-boyfriend... LE fully aware of all relationships by this time in the ball-game already. I make sure that LE and DA is aware of every piece of information - to show charector and actions from parties AFTER the fact...

A- was living with x-boyfriend on a lake in a small little trailer.. JUST moved out together a few months prior. My family visited dad and darleen July 2005 and seen her/x-boyfriends place.. She still had room at dad's place - still her home as far as darleen as concerned.. thought she would come to her sences maybe one day... Ate.. watched TV - hung out still at dad's place..BOTH did... x-boyfriend was treated like family member so anytime him to visit would never come to question. X-boyfriend also worked with Dad.. same company.. worked together - close...Dad helps x-boyfriend out of a few 'jams' with the law.. not drug stuff tho - just traffic stuff and DL issues.
So the dog, which was put on a chain, would trust their daughter's ex-boyfriend enought to let him him, or A, put him there? And neither of your parents would think twice about him being there, either? And he would have full access to the house. etc. Would they both know your parents Thursday night routines as well as you did?

Sounds like after the murder, A's living conditions improved greatly. She got the house. Did she get the renovations done that she told the newspaper she was getting done "making their dreams her dreams?"

Rosco
10-09-2006, 12:58 PM
So the dog, which was put on a chain, would trust their daughter's ex-boyfriend enought to let him him, or A, put him there? And neither of your parents would think twice about him being there, either? And he would have full access to the house. etc. Would they both know your parents Thursday night routines as well as you did?

Sounds like after the murder, A's living conditions improved greatly. She got the house. Did she get the renovations done that she told the newspaper she was getting done "making their dreams her dreams?"

Neither would think twice about X's being there - even without A... They would both know routine. Dog would trust both. I just can't imagine...

blaize
10-09-2006, 01:09 PM
Neither would think twice about X's being there - even without A... They would both know routine. Dog would trust both. I just can't imagine...So even though at one stage LE said that they couldn't rule the murders out as a random crime the actual facts point to someone very close to home.

That's sad really. I have no doubt from reading between the lines of your posts Rosco that LE have narrowed the scope of their investigations and that the individuals concerned are aware that they're persons of interest.

blaize

Dark Knight
10-09-2006, 01:10 PM
Neither would think twice about X's being there - even without A... They would both know routine. Dog would trust both. I just can't imagine...
If you want justice, you will have to imagine things you normally wouldn't, or would prefer not to.

Dark Knight
10-09-2006, 01:12 PM
Rosco, didn't you tell me that after the murders "A" told you to "butt out" when you pursued justice and basically banned you from the property? Despite being so close for so long?

Rosco
10-09-2006, 01:43 PM
So even though at one stage LE said that they couldn't rule the murders out as a random crime the actual facts point to someone very close to home.

That's sad really. I have no doubt from reading between the lines of your posts Rosco that LE have narrowed the scope of their investigations and that the individuals concerned are aware that they're persons of interest.

blaize
I too can read between line on LE info. Also, can't hide the facts of how parties acted during and after buried family. I think it paints a picture already.

Rosco
10-09-2006, 01:48 PM
Rosco, didn't you tell me that after the murders "A" told you to "butt out" when you pursued justice and basically banned you from the property? Despite being so close for so long?
she did tell me to butt out. Actually it was her x- that told me thru him to her to me. She would not accept my phone calls.. Told other family members that we we stold from her.. before we left after the service. LIE.. I had a 120lb dog in my blazer along with a toddler w/baggage. Sorry - I was under the impression I would be visiting that house many more times... so sorry to say I did not take anything.. BOY wish I would have.. cuz now I can't even get anything that actually belonged to me or my husband - like all his hunting gear... LE said it's civil.. have to take her to court.. what a line of crappp... Glad I did obtain some personal belonings that last time - just small stuff - but worth GOLD to me now.

Rosco
10-09-2006, 01:50 PM
That is interesting. Did Terry or Darlene chain the dog becase they knew the person visiting? Hmm I wonder would it be worthwhile to check the phone records for all incoming calls to the landline and mobiles in the few days before the murders to see if someone called ahead for whatever reason?

blaize
I am certain LE looked at all phone records and cell phones from X and A and everyone... I was told.

Rosco
10-09-2006, 01:52 PM
If you want justice, you will have to imagine things you normally wouldn't, or would prefer not to.
Yes sir.. I have to imagine.. and I even write about it. It's unbelievable hard!!! It's totally impossible to think onother direction... there just seems to be no other reasoning for some actions by others during and after...

HollywoodBound
10-09-2006, 01:56 PM
If you don't mind me asking was the same weapon used for both victims and was it taken or left at the scene?

Were the ex and "A" able to supply any sort of alibi?

Dark Knight
10-09-2006, 02:23 PM
If you don't mind me asking was the same weapon used for both victims and was it taken or left at the scene?

Were the ex and "A" able to supply any sort of alibi?
No murder weapon was ever found. I don't know if they ever identified it beyond a blunt object. Although I thought I heard it was a hammer. Rosco may know.

Dark Knight
10-09-2006, 02:26 PM
Rosco, I'm sorry to be so blunt, but there had to be copious amounts of blood, due to the viciousness of the attack (an attack of rage, we had discussed.) Where there ANY footprints or handprints or anything left behind? I would think even the persons hand, arm, or weapon would drip blood leaving a trail. How could it not?

Rosco
10-09-2006, 02:36 PM
If you don't mind me asking was the same weapon used for both victims and was it taken or left at the scene?

Were the ex and "A" able to supply any sort of alibi?
no weapon found. nothing for assuption on type of weapon as far as LE told me. They might know more from coroner report which is off limits. I am sure LE knows plenty but will not share to family.

Alibi's for both are themselves and some other charectors they were with that evening. Appears they have alibi... Soldid??? LE is not going down that road with family.

Rosco
10-09-2006, 02:40 PM
Rosco, I'm sorry to be so blunt, but there had to be copious amounts of blood, due to the viciousness of the attack (an attack of rage, we had discussed.) Where there ANY footprints or handprints or anything left behind? I would think even the persons hand, arm, or weapon would drip blood leaving a trail. How could it not?
Thank for the concern for my feelings... I appreciate it. I know that talking about the brutality is very difficult as I am aware of how messy it was.. My husband was on the property that night - after bodies were taken.. to see what he might find missing.. He seen everything..

I was told by LE about shoe prints. No finger prints - as far as LE told. I was also told by LE - 'murder tried to clean up the mess' Not sure how LE refers... like did murder/s clean themselves (which I would imagine the party to be covered head-toe.. in hair... in eyes.. just all over) or clean the house.. floor... sink? LE was not specific.

Rosco
10-09-2006, 02:41 PM
No murder weapon was ever found. I don't know if they ever identified it beyond a blunt object. Although I thought I heard it was a hammer. Rosco may know.assuption are AX

blaize
10-09-2006, 02:51 PM
Thank for the concern for my feelings... I appreciate it. I know that talking about the brutality is very difficult as I am aware of how messy it was.. My husband was on the property that night - after bodies were taken.. to see what he might find missing.. He seen everything..

I was told by LE about shoe prints. No finger prints - as far as LE told. I was also told by LE - 'murder tried to clean up the mess' Not sure how LE refers... like did murder/s clean themselves (which I would imagine the party to be covered head-toe.. in hair... in eyes.. just all over) or clean the house.. floor... sink? LE was not specific.This begins to sound even worse than I originally thought.

1. The murders were commited using an axe.
2. The murderers then stayed at the scene long enough to attempt a cleanup of themselves and or a partial cleanup of the scene.
3. This means that they spent quite a lot of time at the scene finding what they wanted and then cleaning up.
4. This doesn't sound like it was a spontaenous act. It sounds like it was coldly premeditated & executed by people who knew exactly what they were looking for and where to find it.

blaize

Dark Knight
10-09-2006, 03:20 PM
assuption are AX
OH MY GOSH, an AX murder??????? That's just too brutal.

I am not please dto hear LE is not going down any roads, even with the family.

HollywoodBound
10-09-2006, 03:29 PM
Did the people who we are not outright calling suspects know of the cash in the home?
The descriptions of the crime make it seem like it was commited out of anger, maybe even jealously and envy, and to gain fortune. Seems like whoever commited the crime knew about the amount of $ in the house.
I'm guessing there was a will and this 'a' was willed the house and everything.
This story is very said.
Thanks for answering my questions.

Dark Knight
10-09-2006, 04:08 PM
Why did "A" so specifically tell police that she found her mom with a gunshot wound to the head? If her head was crushed by an ax, it would look NOTHING like a bullet wound. Was "A" trying to distance herself of any knowledge of it by saying what she thought it was, when it would never be mistaken for it? I wonder how panicked she sounded when she called.

I wonder if the tree service can verify that she was asked to assist her dad that morning at work?

"A's" comments to the newspaper about renovating the house, cuz it was her parents "dream" struck everyone as odd that read it. I cannot believe that would ever be on my mind right after such a horrific event, especially with the detail she gave to what she would have done. She had been living in a dumpy trailer prior to the murder.

gardenmom
10-09-2006, 04:24 PM
I'm really sorry for your loss. Can you tell us if there was an insurance policy and who was the beneficiary? Is "A" staying in the house legally? If the house was left to multiple children of the deceased, then why is only "A" staying there? It sounds to me like murder with the intention of profit, so if "A" was sore beneficiary, or if she was executor I would suspect her. For instance, my parents have very specific wishes for certain things they own when they die. However, anything not specifically mentioned goes to me, as I am their only child together. We have a verbal understanding that I am to decide who gets what. Basically I take what I want and they get the rest. Their reasoning is that since I lived at home the longest, and was their bio child together that certain things would have more meaning to me. Now, if I was wanting to be a B**CH, I could just take it all and sell it for profit. Is this was has happened with "A"?

blaize
10-09-2006, 04:59 PM
Why did "A" so specifically tell police that she found her mom with a gunshot wound to the head? If her head was crushed by an ax, it would look NOTHING like a bullet wound. Was "A" trying to distance herself of any knowledge of it by saying what she thought it was, when it would never be mistaken for it? I wonder how panicked she sounded when she called.

I wonder if the tree service can verify that she was asked to assist her dad that morning at work?

"A's" comments to the newspaper about renovating the house, cuz it was her parents "dream" struck everyone as odd that read it. I cannot believe that would ever be on my mind right after such a horrific event, especially with the detail she gave to what she would have done. She had been living in a dumpy trailer prior to the murder.
I don't know Dark Knight with all the blood and gore anyone except a professional could misidentify the cause of the wounds. It would be helpful to listen to that 911 call for sure.

Where does it say that "A" made that comment about being asked to assist her dad?

Hmm A's comment about renovating the house does seem odd, I would be more likey to accept someone saying that after six months or a year but to have said it so soon after the murders seems oddly detached.

blaize

Rosco
10-09-2006, 05:21 PM
This begins to sound even worse than I originally thought.

1. The murders were commited using an axe.
2. The murderers then stayed at the scene long enough to attempt a cleanup of themselves and or a partial cleanup of the scene.
3. This means that they spent quite a lot of time at the scene finding what they wanted and then cleaning up.
4. This doesn't sound like it was a spontaenous act. It sounds like it was coldly premeditated & executed by people who knew exactly what they were looking for and where to find it.

blaize
I agree with everything in this quote. can't confirm the weapon.. but assumed axe or something such with heavy and weight to do the damage that was done to their face/heads per LE.. I truly believe it was premeditated (i think LE thinks so too) ..and the person/s knew EXACTLY what they were looking for.. and staged the set up with the missing guns and other misc.. weapons taken. Darleen's wedding ring that dad just purchased for her a few months prior to murders.. celebration of 25yrs.. Darleen never had a ring w/stone from dad when married... Ring was in the end table drawer - along with her other rings she wore.. Darleen never wore jewlery to work.. only on weekends.. right next to her body.. Murderes were not looking for jewlery...still in the end table.

Rosco
10-09-2006, 05:28 PM
Did the people who we are not outright calling suspects know of the cash in the home?
The descriptions of the crime make it seem like it was commited out of anger, maybe even jealously and envy, and to gain fortune. Seems like whoever commited the crime knew about the amount of $ in the house.
I'm guessing there was a will and this 'a' was willed the house and everything.
This story is very said.
Thanks for answering my questions.
People knew about the cash who were close to dad. I feel it was a crime of rage.. anger ! Over kill is what I can only state. I think and I assume LE thinks the same about the murder/s knowing about the $$ in the house.. cuz it was missing and the money was talked about just days prior with my husband and father. My dad went down to FLA and LA for the hurricane help last summer - spent better part of 3 months... Made some good money.. Told me all the time on the phone that his new boat was 'calling his name' since he was getting all this cash for the help in the South... My dad was not a bragger about money and things he had - only to family... Proud man but not stupid to lash his voice to all to hear.. He was private. No will... 'A' found a handwritten note stating she will receive all - home. 401k, life insurance, cars, trucks, boat... It is in Darleen's writing and dad signed it. Stated she wanted her to share with bro. and sister (me and my brother)... and grandkids. Have not heard nor seen any such idea...

Thank for your kind thoughts and prayers.. I trust in God to show truth...

Rosco
10-09-2006, 05:32 PM
I don't know Dark Knight with all the blood and gore anyone except a professional could misidentify the cause of the wounds. It would be helpful to listen to that 911 call for sure.

Where does it say that "A" made that comment about being asked to assist her dad?

Hmm A's comment about renovating the house does seem odd, I would be more likey to accept someone saying that after six months or a year but to have said it so soon after the murders seems oddly detached.

blaize
Wow - never thought about that comment until I just read that.. Totally out of normal for someone to say things like that less than 48hrs after finding BOTH her parents murdered...

Also about having someone move into the house 3 weeks after the murders... Carpet was still pulled and cut from my husband cleaning the gore and blood off the walls and draps and couch was burned... blood was everywhere..!!!! I think that LE is not certain the weapon.. Have not told me anything about that... Coroner neither.

If it was me who found my parents - I would not be talking about fixing the house up...

Rosco
10-09-2006, 05:42 PM
I'm really sorry for your loss. Can you tell us if there was an insurance policy and who was the beneficiary? Is "A" staying in the house legally? If the house was left to multiple children of the deceased, then why is only "A" staying there? It sounds to me like murder with the intention of profit, so if "A" was sore beneficiary, or if she was executor I would suspect her. For instance, my parents have very specific wishes for certain things they own when they die. However, anything not specifically mentioned goes to me, as I am their only child together. We have a verbal understanding that I am to decide who gets what. Basically I take what I want and they get the rest. Their reasoning is that since I lived at home the longest, and was their bio child together that certain things would have more meaning to me. Now, if I was wanting to be a B**CH, I could just take it all and sell it for profit. Is this was has happened with "A"?
All the above.. Insurance on both.. 401K, house, cars, property in Montana too.. everything goes to A.. She is the bio from both and we (me and brother) never would expect anything less.. She is our sister and we always repected that. No will - only written on sheet of paper from Darleen that all goes to A.. but to share with Sis and brother. I never did want anything.. I am grown and married with children.. job -I have home.. She is 20yrs old not married and no children.. no job.. nothign going.. i would never take anything that is A's and I respected that always... A has totally turned everything into a horrible battle since the day (31Oct 2005) I walked off the property.. Never looked back and litterally shut the door behind us (brother and sister) She can take anything she wants and sells anything.. I just would like to at least have my husbands hunting gear back..and other things that were left there becz better to leave it there than keep bringing it back every season.. Maybe a fishing pole and tackle box for my 3 1/2 yr old son...dad's grandson... I received NOTHING from A... not even a snap-shot after I left... I worried about her being so young and having nothing.. Before I left we spoke and I told 'A' i was concerned and that 'A' can sell the house and we get her OWN 'A" house.. and not the memories of the murders..and US family would still visit and hunt and do everything we used to do.. but just at "A" house.. We talked and I assumed when I left that her plans were what we said.. She had other plans..and we were not in the 'new plans'.. I never TOLD her what she should do.. we talked like friends and family would.. with ideas and thoughts... and how I worried and cried every time we spoke the 2 weeks we buried them...

blaize
10-09-2006, 05:44 PM
Wow - never thought about that comment until I just read that.. Totally out of normal for someone to say things like that less than 48hrs after finding BOTH her parents murdered...

Also about having someone move into the house 3 weeks after the murders... Carpet was still pulled and cut from my husband cleaning the gore and blood off the walls and draps and couch was burned... blood was everywhere..!!!! I think that LE is not certain the weapon.. Have not told me anything about that... Coroner neither.

If it was me who found my parents - I would not be talking about fixing the house up...Yes, we can only guess at what our own reactions would be but I get a cold sick feeling in the pit of my stomach even thinking about that happening to my parents. I don't think I'd be able to stay in the house where it happened either.

How did A stay in the house with such an obvious and bloody reminder of the crime? Even after three weeks the sights and smells might remain so I wonder at the kind of person who'd want to rent a room in that house.

blaize

Rosco
10-09-2006, 05:47 PM
Yes, we can only guess at what our own reactions would be but I get a cold sick feeling in the pit of my stomach even thinking about that happening to my parents. I don't think I'd be able to stay in the house where it happened either.

How did A stay in the house with such an obvious and bloody reminder of the crime? Even after three weeks the sights and smells might remain so I wonder at the kind of person who'd want to rent a room in that house.

blaize
Just being in the house for service the whole 2 weeks was unbeliebable.. smell still there from death! VERY VERY sick.. I don;t know how A can do that.. I told A to selll the house - personally I could NEVER stay after dark in the house ever again!!! NEVER.. you could pay me a million and I would never stay there again..

Dark Knight
10-09-2006, 06:01 PM
Wow - never thought about that comment until I just read that.. Totally out of normal for someone to say things like that less than 48hrs after finding BOTH her parents murdered...

Also about having someone move into the house 3 weeks after the murders... Carpet was still pulled and cut from my husband cleaning the gore and blood off the walls and draps and couch was burned... blood was everywhere..!!!! I think that LE is not certain the weapon.. Have not told me anything about that... Coroner neither.

If it was me who found my parents - I would not be talking about fixing the house up...
"We're going to make their dreams our dreams," said the couple's daughter, ("A") affirming that the family would be keeping the home where her parents died. "Dad wanted a full wrap-around porch, to tear down the barn, new siding. There's electrical work to do. Mom wanted new curtains, new furniture.

"We just need a security system."

http://www.fwdailynews.com/articles/2005/10/27/the_news-sun/news-99051.txt

gardenmom
10-09-2006, 09:27 PM
"We're going to make their dreams our dreams," said the couple's daughter, ("A") affirming that the family would be keeping the home where her parents died. "Dad wanted a full wrap-around porch, to tear down the barn, new siding. There's electrical work to do. Mom wanted new curtains, new furniture.

"We just need a security system."

http://www.fwdailynews.com/articles/2005/10/27/the_news-sun/news-99051.txt
DK, I still cannot access the archives. I think the quotes above speak for themselves though. I would like to know who she is referring to when she says "we"?

Rosco, you said the will was on a handwritten paper. Was this ever verified in case it was forged? I wouldn't be surprised if it was signed under duress. You said the life insurance policy was mentioned in this note. Don't you have to put down a beneficairy beforehand, like when you fill it out? I guess they would have listed each other first, then her since she was their bio daughter.

Here is what I am thinking. I know you do not want anything, as you have stated. But, what if you were to stir up the pot a little? It seems you may be entitled to something, and could contest the "will". Although, it may not be a good idea if she is the one responsible. If she killed once, she may do it again. I agree with other posters that at 20 years old there is no way I could live in my murdered parents home. If I didn't do it I would be afraid of someone coming after me. If I did do it I would be afraid of their spirits or my guilt getting me.

I think LE may know a lot more than they are telling you. To me it seems obvious who have motive. Another question. Was A's ex boyfriend her ex at the time of the murders? Would it be strange for them to be together as each others alibies?

southcitymom
10-09-2006, 09:31 PM
I just found this thread and haven't read everything yet, so I apologize if I am bringing up something that has been discussed.

According to the family website, Terry was obviously an active and long-standing member of AA/NA. Could he have met his murderer(s) at meetings? I attend NA and due to the nature of the beast of addiction, going to meetings can put you in contact with people "unsavory" pasts - certainly people with criminal pasts often involving drugs and violence.

Could Terry have reached out to a suffering alcoholic or addict and had it turn bad? I just wonder if this is an angle has been explored. I will continue to read the thread, but wanted to throw out this thought.

William R Thomas
10-09-2006, 11:53 PM
I wasn't familiar with this case, and had never heard of it before tonight. I read all the info on the web I could find, as well as all of the post in this thread.

As someone who studied profiling for a bit, there are a few things that stand out as odd, but heres the prominent one, that I don't recall anyone mentioning.

If you were 20 years old, and your parents had just been brutally murdered, you would, in all likelyhood, not want to inhabit the house. BUT, that aside, because that is a mental fear to be overcome, wouldn't you have an immediate fear of whomever did this coming back? That is a practical fear.

The only way you could live there comfortbly, would be if you were secure in the knowledge that you KNEW they would not be coming back. Which of course leads to the logic that A def knows who did this, how, and why. She has no fear of them coming back.

PLUS, the gunshot wound comment was totally out line. Under sever, unexpected duress, most people would reply "I don't know". The only reason she would bevery specific would be if she was trying to throw LE immediately off the trail.

Dark Knight
10-10-2006, 12:09 AM
I wasn't familiar with this case, and had never heard of it before tonight. I read all the info on the web I could find, as well as all of the post in this thread.

As someone who studied profiling for a bit, there are a few things that stand out as odd, but heres the prominent one, that I don't recall anyone mentioning.

If you were 20 years old, and your parents had just been brutally murdered, you would, in all likelyhood, not want to inhabit the house. BUT, that aside, because that is a mental fear to be overcome, wouldn't you have an immediate fear of whomever did this coming back? That is a practical fear.

The only way you could live there comfortbly, would be if you were secure in the knowledge that you KNEW they would not be coming back. Which of course leads to the logic that A def knows who did this, how, and why. She has no fear of them coming back.

PLUS, the gunshot wound comment was totally out line. Under sever, unexpected duress, most people would reply "I don't know". The only reason she would bevery specific would be if she was trying to throw LE immediately off the trail.To be fair, she did add "a security system" to her list of renovations. *shrugs* It ain't much I realize, lol.

mfmangel1
10-10-2006, 01:28 PM
I wonder if the so-called "will" is dated and notarized.

It could have been written under duress, perhaps the night of the murder?

And who is the beneficiary on the insurance policies?

I wouldn't believe anything until I saw it myself and was able to verify that everything was legitimate.

Dark Knight
10-10-2006, 01:32 PM
Rosco, if you haven't received anything, and the "will" says she is to share with you, why hasn't the "will" been challenged or enforced in court by you or others?

Dark Knight
10-10-2006, 02:03 PM
Article reprinted via courtesy of the Herald Republican Newspaper in Angola, IN. This was the original story of the murders. It reminded me that when it first broke, there was quite a bit of time between finding Darleen and then finding Terry, as it was originally reported that she was murdered and he was missing, and a lot of us thought he killed her. So it was a lot of time between finding the bodies:



Mongo couple found dead; Bodies discovered in home, outbuilding


BY WANDA YODER





MONGO What began Friday as an investigation into the death of a rural Mongo woman is now being probed as a double homicide after police found the body of the woman's husband.

Police have identified the victims as Terry A. Anderson, 59, and his wife, Darlene Anderson, 57, of the 6200 block of East C.R. 250N, near Mongo.

Police said Darlene Anderson's body was found in the living room of their home. Terry Anderson's body was found later in an outbuilding on the property.

LaGrange County Sheriff's Department Chief Deputy Tom Clarkson said the exact cause of death would not be announced until autopsies were completed. Police have not confirmed whether the deaths were caused by gunshot wounds.

Police remained at the scene until late Friday evening investigating the homicides.

When contacted Friday evening, LaGrange County Coroner Bruce Coney said he wouldn't release any information about the autopsy results until later this morning. He said he planned to meet with the county sheriff and prosecutor at 7:30 this morning before releasing further information about the case. He expects to issue a news release by 10 a.m. today.




"We want to put everything together so we don't take a chance on damaging the case," Coney said.

According to police, the Andersons' daughter arrived at the home Friday to meet her father for work. She called police dispatch at about 7:21 a.m. to report finding her mother lying on a couch with a gunshot wound to the head. Police arrived at the residence and found the victim. Police said Terry Anderson's truck was parked at the residence, but he could not be found at the time.

A preliminary search of the residence by officers was executed as a safety precaution. Following the issuance of a search warrant, investigating officers used K-9s to locate Terry Anderson's body in the outbuilding.

According to Clarkson, the time of death for the Andersons was estimated to have occurred sometime between 8 p.m. Thursday and 7:21 a.m. Friday. Clarkson said no weapon was found at the scene.

LaGrange County Sheriff Greg Dhaene said investigators are interviewing the daughter to try to understand what may have happened. The husband and wife lived together at the residence.

The investigation is continuing. Anyone with information regarding this incident should contact the LaGrange County Sheriff's Department at 463-7491, Indiana State Police Fort Wayne Post at 463-4343 or Crime Stoppers at (800) 342-STOP.

Investigating agencies include the LaGrange County Sheriff's Department, Indiana State Police, Indiana Conservation Officers, LaGrange County Coroner's Office, LaGrange County Prosecutor's Office and the Indiana State Excise Police.MONGO What began Friday as an investigation into the death of a rural Mongo woman is now being probed as a double homicide after police found the body of the woman's husband.

Police have identified the victims as Terry A. Anderson, 59, and his wife, Darlene Anderson, 57, of the 6200 block of East C.R. 250N, near Mongo.

Police said Darlene Anderson's body was found in the living room of their home. Terry Anderson's body was found later in an outbuilding on the property.

LaGrange County Sheriff's Department Chief Deputy Tom Clarkson said the exact cause of death would not be announced until autopsies were completed. Police have not confirmed whether the deaths were caused by gunshot wounds.

Police remained at the scene until late Friday evening investigating the homicides.

When contacted Friday evening, LaGrange County Coroner Bruce Coney said he wouldn't release any information about the autopsy results until later this morning. He said he planned to meet with the county sheriff and prosecutor at 7:30 this morning before releasing further information about the case. He expects to issue a news release by 10 a.m. today.

"We want to put everything together so we don't take a chance on damaging the case," Coney said.

According to police, the Andersons' daughter arrived at the home Friday to meet her father for work. She called police dispatch at about 7:21 a.m. to report finding her mother lying on a couch with a gunshot wound to the head. Police arrived at the residence and found the victim. Police said Terry Anderson's truck was parked at the residence, but he could not be found at the time.

A preliminary search of the residence by officers was executed as a safety precaution. Following the issuance of a search warrant, investigating officers used K-9s to locate Terry Anderson's body in the outbuilding.

According to Clarkson, the time of death for the Andersons was estimated to have occurred sometime between 8 p.m. Thursday and 7:21 a.m. Friday. Clarkson said no weapon was found at the scene.

LaGrange County Sheriff Greg Dhaene said investigators are interviewing the daughter to try to understand what may have happened. The husband and wife lived together at the residence.

The investigation is continuing. Anyone with information regarding this incident should contact the LaGrange County Sheriff's Department at 463-7491, Indiana State Police Fort Wayne Post at 463-4343 or Crime Stoppers at (800) 342-STOP.

Investigating agencies include the LaGrange County Sheriff's Department, Indiana State Police, Indiana Conservation Officers, LaGrange County Coroner's Office, LaGrange County Prosecutor's Office and the Indiana State Excise Police.



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Dark Knight
10-10-2006, 02:09 PM
From the Kendallville News-Sun:

Police hope for break in murders: Officials pursuing leads, waiting for potential DNA evidence

By MATT GETTS

http://www.fwdailynews.com/content/articles/2005/12/28/the_news-sun/news-102563.jpgLAGRANGE Who killed Terry and Darlene Anderson?

That's the question that continues to gnaw at investigators more than two months after the couple were found murdered at their home in the 6200 block of East C.R. 250N near Mongo on Oct. 21.

No arrests have been made in the double homicide despite dozens of interviews and hundreds of man hours logged by multiple agencies, including the LaGrange County Sheriff's Department, the Indiana State Police and LaGrange County Coroner's Office.

LaGrange County Sheriff Greg Dhaene said Tuesday afternoon there were at least five "people of interest" who have not been excluded as potential suspects. But police were still looking for the "smoking gun" evidence or tip that will lead them to the killer.

Police are hopeful that potential DNA evidence gathered at the scene will eventually lead them to the murderer.

Dhaene confirmed Tuesday that "several pieces of evidence" were recovered, primarily in the outbuilding where Terry Anderson's body was discovered. Processing those materials for potential DNA evidence will take another four to six months at the backlogged Indiana State Police Crime Lab, he said.

Dhaene declined to comment on the exact nature of the evidence.

"We are hopeful DNA evidence may be available," Dhaene said.

The body of Darlene Anderson, 57, was discovered by the couple's daughter, Amanda Anderson, when she arrived to pick up her father for work at about 7:21 a.m. on Oct. 21. The body of Terry Anderson, 59, was discovered later in an outbuilding after a search warrant had been obtained for the property.

Police have released few details in the case. LaGrange County Coroner Bruce Coney ruled Oct. 22 both victims died of "blunt force trauma." Police have not disclosed the weapon that was used to kill the Andersons, or whether the weapon has been recovered.

Dhaene expressed frustration that there had been no new significant leads in the case.

"You hate to see an investigation like this stall," Dhaene said Tuesday afternoon.

Meanwhile, county and state law enforcement officers continue to work the case on a daily basis.

Sheriff's department Lt. Tad Oakley, the lead investigator in the case, said he has interviewed more than 50 people concerning the homicides.

"We're going back 15 to 20 years of Terry Anderson's life looking for potential suspects," Oakley said.

Oakley said law enforcement's frustration is shared by the family.

"The family understands what kind of investigation this is," Oakley said. "They know how frustrating it is when we're not getting new information in and we haven't found the (suspect)."

Dhaene said he is convinced the perpetrator or perpetrators will be apprehended.

"This is a solvable case," Dhaene said. "It's just going to take a lot of work and patience."

Several items were stolen from the Andersons' home, according to police. Stolen items include a Winchester .22 magnum lever action rifle with scope and sling; Horton CB 325 Legend Cross-bow; CVA .50 caliber muzzleloader with Simmons scope; Mossberg 20-gauge shotgun with rifled slug barrel and sling; and assorted collector coins.

Anyone with information regarding this case or the whereabouts of any of these items is asked to contact the LaGrange County Sheriff's Department at 463-7491, the Indiana State Police at 432-8661 or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-342-7867.

LAGRANGE Who killed Terry and Darlene Anderson?

That's the question that continues to gnaw at investigators more than two months after the couple were found murdered at their home in the 6200 block of East C.R. 250N near Mongo on Oct. 21.

No arrests have been made in the double homicide despite dozens of interviews and hundreds of man hours logged by multiple agencies, including the LaGrange County Sheriff's Department, the Indiana State Police and LaGrange County Coroner's Office.

LaGrange County Sheriff Greg Dhaene said Tuesday afternoon there were at least five "people of interest" who have not been excluded as potential suspects. But police were still looking for the "smoking gun" evidence or tip that will lead them to the killer.

Police are hopeful that potential DNA evidence gathered at the scene will eventually lead them to the murderer.

Dhaene confirmed Tuesday that "several pieces of evidence" were recovered, primarily in the outbuilding where Terry Anderson's body was discovered. Processing those materials for potential DNA evidence will take another four to six months at the backlogged Indiana State Police Crime Lab, he said.

Dhaene declined to comment on the exact nature of the evidence.

"We are hopeful DNA evidence may be available," Dhaene said.

The body of Darlene Anderson, 57, was discovered by the couple's daughter, Amanda Anderson, when she arrived to pick up her father for work at about 7:21 a.m. on Oct. 21. The body of Terry Anderson, 59, was discovered later in an outbuilding after a search warrant had been obtained for the property.

Police have released few details in the case. LaGrange County Coroner Bruce Coney ruled Oct. 22 both victims died of "blunt force trauma." Police have not disclosed the weapon that was used to kill the Andersons, or whether the weapon has been recovered.

Dhaene expressed frustration that there had been no new significant leads in the case.

"You hate to see an investigation like this stall," Dhaene said Tuesday afternoon.

Meanwhile, county and state law enforcement officers continue to work the case on a daily basis.

Sheriff's department Lt. Tad Oakley, the lead investigator in the case, said he has interviewed more than 50 people concerning the homicides.

"We're going back 15 to 20 years of Terry Anderson's life looking for potential suspects," Oakley said.

Oakley said law enforcement's frustration is shared by the family.

"The family understands what kind of investigation this is," Oakley said. "They know how frustrating it is when we're not getting new information in and we haven't found the (suspect)."

Dhaene said he is convinced the perpetrator or perpetrators will be apprehended.

"This is a solvable case," Dhaene said. "It's just going to take a lot of work and patience."

Several items were stolen from the Andersons' home, according to police. Stolen items include a Winchester .22 magnum lever action rifle with scope and sling; Horton CB 325 Legend Cross-bow; CVA .50 caliber muzzleloader with Simmons scope; Mossberg 20-gauge shotgun with rifled slug barrel and sling; and assorted collector coins.

Anyone with information regarding this case or the whereabouts of any of these items is asked to contact the LaGrange County Sheriff's Department at 463-7491, the Indiana State Police at 432-8661 or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-342-7867.

Dark Knight
10-10-2006, 02:20 PM
Here are some links to the original newspaper reports at the time of the murder, in decending chronological order (more recent at top)

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From the Kendallville News-Sun:
Deaths result of beatings; ‘Items of value’ missing

By Bill Gisel

MONGO Blunt force trauma has been listed as the cause of death of Terry and Darlene Anderson, whose bodies were found Friday at their home in the 6200 block of East C.R. 250N near Mongo.

A joint news release issued Saturday by the LaGrange County Sheriff, Indiana State Police and Coroner Bruce Coney said their deaths are being investigated as homicides.

Police confirmed they have identified several "persons of interest" for questioning, and "items of value" are missing from the property, according to Sheriff Greg Dhaene.

Funeral arrangements for Terry, 59, and Darlene, 57, are pending at the Carney-Frost Funeral Home in LaGrange.

Mrs. Anderson's body was discovered by the couple's daughter, Amanda Anderson, when she arrived to pick up her father for work at about 7:21 a.m. Friday. Both reportedly worked for Asplundh Tree Expert Co.

Terry Anderson's body was discovered later in an outbuilding, after police obtained a search warrant for the property.

According to the news release, the time of death of the Andersons is between 8 p.m. Thursday and 7:21 a.m. Friday, when the first body was discovered.

Autopsies were conducted Friday afternoon to determine the cause of their deaths.

Anyone with information about the murders is asked to call the LaGrange County Sheriff's Department at 463-7491, the Indiana State Police at 432-8661, or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-342-7867.

‘A real nice lady'

A former co-worker of Darlene Anderson at Kraft Foods in Kendallville described her as "a real nice lady."

Deanna Magnuson of Albion said she worked with "Dar" for many years. Magnuson has since retired.

"We worked together for quite a few years, and she trained me on one machine," Magnuson recalled. "We played cards together." She guessed Mrs. Anderson had worked at Kraft Foods about 30 years.

She said Mrs. Anderson was "pretty laid back" but a hard worker who did her job. She said that at the time she worked with Mrs. Anderson, Anderson took care of her mother in addition to working.

"She was pretty surprised when she learned she was going to have a baby," Magnuson said. She said her friend had always been told she couldn't have a child, and when she did, it "came pretty late in her life.

"But she never missed work, all the time she was pregnant," Magnuson said.

‘He looked like Santa'

Terry Anderson had white hair and a full white beard, and looked like Santa Claus, said John Burrell of Angola, a good friend who had also worked with Anderson at Asplundh Tree Expert.

"He was very hard working and honest, and he didn't drink or do drugs," Burrell said. Anderson had a passion for muskie fishing, and often served as a guide, taking people out in his boat on area lakes.

Burrell said that during the years he worked with Anderson, "Everywhere we went, he knew somebody." He said it didn't matter if it was in Angola, LaGrange, Rome City or Michigan.

According to Burrell, Amanda Anderson had been asked by her father to fill in for his usual partner on Friday. She often filled in when someone was needed, Burrell said.

"I have been to his home many times, and he had a lot of guns and a lot of fishing equipment," Burrell said. Anderson had a habit of loaning money to people, he added, and speculated that the killer probably knew Anderson.

"I think it was someone who knew him, but that's just my personal opinion," he said.MONGO Blunt force trauma has been listed as the cause of death of Terry and Darlene Anderson, whose bodies were found Friday at their home in the 6200 block of East C.R. 250N near Mongo.

A joint news release issued Saturday by the LaGrange County Sheriff, Indiana State Police and Coroner Bruce Coney said their deaths are being investigated as homicides.

Police confirmed they have identified several "persons of interest" for questioning, and "items of value" are missing from the property, according to Sheriff Greg Dhaene.

Funeral arrangements for Terry, 59, and Darlene, 57, are pending at the Carney-Frost Funeral Home in LaGrange.

Mrs. Anderson's body was discovered by the couple's daughter, Amanda Anderson, when she arrived to pick up her father for work at about 7:21 a.m. Friday. Both reportedly worked for Asplundh Tree Expert Co.

Terry Anderson's body was discovered later in an outbuilding, after police obtained a search warrant for the property.

According to the news release, the time of death of the Andersons is between 8 p.m. Thursday and 7:21 a.m. Friday, when the first body was discovered.

Autopsies were conducted Friday afternoon to determine the cause of their deaths.

Anyone with information about the murders is asked to call the LaGrange County Sheriff's Department at 463-7491, the Indiana State Police at 432-8661, or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-342-7867.

‘A real nice lady'

A former co-worker of Darlene Anderson at Kraft Foods in Kendallville described her as "a real nice lady."

Deanna Magnuson of Albion said she worked with "Dar" for many years. Magnuson has since retired.

"We worked together for quite a few years, and she trained me on one machine," Magnuson recalled. "We played cards together." She guessed Mrs. Anderson had worked at Kraft Foods about 30 years.

She said Mrs. Anderson was "pretty laid back" but a hard worker who did her job. She said that at the time she worked with Mrs. Anderson, Anderson took care of her mother in addition to working.

"She was pretty surprised when she learned she was going to have a baby," Magnuson said. She said her friend had always been told she couldn't have a child, and when she did, it "came pretty late in her life.

"But she never missed work, all the time she was pregnant," Magnuson said.

‘He looked like Santa'

Terry Anderson had white hair and a full white beard, and looked like Santa Claus, said John Burrell of Angola, a good friend who had also worked with Anderson at Asplundh Tree Expert.

"He was very hard working and honest, and he didn't drink or do drugs," Burrell said. Anderson had a passion for muskie fishing, and often served as a guide, taking people out in his boat on area lakes.

Burrell said that during the years he worked with Anderson, "Everywhere we went, he knew somebody." He said it didn't matter if it was in Angola, LaGrange, Rome City or Michigan.

According to Burrell, Amanda Anderson had been asked by her father to fill in for his usual partner on Friday. She often filled in when someone was needed, Burrell said.

"I have been to his home many times, and he had a lot of guns and a lot of fishing equipment," Burrell said. Anderson had a habit of loaning money to people, he added, and speculated that the killer probably knew Anderson.

"I think it was someone who knew him, but that's just my personal opinion," he said.

Dark Knight
10-10-2006, 02:24 PM
Article by the Kendallville News-Sun:


Treasured memories


By Megan Hockley


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LAGRANGE Two closed caskets were covered in flowers at LaGrange's Carney-Frost Funeral Home Wednesday as the family and friends of homicide victims Terry and Darleen Anderson gathered to bid them goodbye.

Funeral services are today for the Mongo couple who were found dead on their property Friday. Police still have no suspects in the case.

Terry and Darleen Anderson are gone, but their spirits were very much present at Wednesday's calling, where treasured memories were shared aloud, hugs were plentiful, tears were wiped away, laughter occasionally bubbled up and, most importantly, love lived on.

"We're going to make their dreams our dreams," said the couple's daughter, Amanda, affirming that the family would be keeping the home where her parents died. "Dad wanted a full wrap-around porch, to tear down the barn, new siding. There's electrical work to do. Mom wanted new curtains, new furniture.

"We just need a security system."

Twenty-year-old Amanda Anderson sat on a sofa near her parents' caskets Wednesday, surrounded by close friends and family members. The dark shadows under her eyes testifying to how little sleep she's had in the past few days, Amanda Anderson was still in shock but she spoke bravely about her parents.







Topwater Terry

Terry Anderson had a tattoo of a muskie on his arm and a love for hunting in his heart. Many of the memories people shared about him Wednesday involved animals, both pets and prey. He was nicknamed Topwater Terry in connection with his passion for muskie fishing.

"Dad loved the outdoors, hunting and fishing," Amanda Anderson said. "He was a muskie guy, and he would ice fish constantly in the winter.

"He was proud of his boat, and

his truck was his pride and joy. He loved his children and his grandchildren. He was a hard worker."

When asked if she used to go fishing with her dad, Amanda was quick to smile. "Not very much because he would scream and yell, but if anybody ever needed anything, he would make sure you had it. If you needed money for lunch or if you needed advice ... he would give it."

Terry and his friends called themselves The Brothers of the Woods, and Terry also went by the nickname The Norwegian Monkey Man from Mongo, said his best friend, Bill Gage.

"Terry's most famous in Mongo for his iron skillet. It's never been washed! He made the best deer meat in the whole state, maybe the whole country in that," Gage said. "We lived on hazelnuts or filberts and deer meat all winter."

Gage also shared a memory of Terry that involved his old pet pig, Oink Johnson, which he said grew into the biggest pig he'd ever seen.

"He'd try to ride Oink Johnson," Gage said, laughing. "When the pig got hungry, it would get noisy, and Terry would say, ‘Shut up, Oink Johnson! I'll feed you when I'm ready.' That pig was as big as a cow. Its pork chops looked like T-bone steaks."

Terry was also a famous turkey hunter, Gage said. "He would get his turkey in 10 minutes. Everybody in town was jealous of that. I would hunt all day without getting one."

Terry's barn was bigger than his house and included a large storage area, a tool shed and workroom and his hunting cabin. "Every time he got an extra $500, $600, he'd call the Amish men. ‘I want to build on. Frame it up,'" Gage said.

Rick and Misty Jo Kwiek of California, Terry's oldest son and his wife, said Terry taught his grandsons how to fish and used to secretly slip them gold dollars when their parents weren't looking. Terry often took Rick out fishing when he visited Indiana.

"I remember going to Cree Lake," Kwiek said. "He got in the boat, and he wanted me to back up the boat. Well, I'm from Chicago. I'm lucky if I can drive my own car. He was yelling, ‘No, not that way! More right, more left!' Normally, he was mellow, but ..."

Terry was a tree trimmer for Asplundh. His co-worker, and Amanda Anderson's boyfriend, Quae Proctor, has many fond memories of him, including watching Terry ride around his yard on a lawnmower, poking at pesky moles with a pitchfork.

Another time, the two men worked together to cut off the top 8 feet of a tree that was full of honey bees.

"The boss wanted the bees dropped in the driveway to get it down quick, but Terry wouldn't do it. He screened up the holes so the bees couldn't get out, and he insisted on having those honey bees relocated to some other area," Proctor said. "There was 50-60 pounds of honey in the log. There was so much, it was seeping out the pores of the wood."

"He drove those bees from Syracuse all the way to Mongo," Amanda Anderson said, adding that Terry gave the log to a beekeeper friend of his.

Shop ‘til you drop Darleen

Darleen Anderson's proclivity for shopping was one of her defining characteristics, according to friends and family."Mom loved garage sale-ing," Amanda Anderson said fondly. "She used to bring home a lot of junk."

"She could outshop us all, and Terry could outfish all us guys," Proctor said.

"Every time we came from California, she would take us to Shipshewana, and we were at the flea markets and garage sales," Misty Jo Kwiek said. "We wouldn't get home until after dark because she wouldn't quit. It was always, ‘Just one more garage sale!'

"She'd know we were coming, and she'd start hitting the garage sales for toys for the grandkids ... The boys loved their grandma."

Darleen also passed down her skill at playing the piano to her daughter, and she collected rocks of all kinds. She bought from dealers and often reminded Proctor and her husband to keep their eyes open for interesting rocks in the cornfields. "We always brought something back for her," Proctor said.

With her collections and her shopping habit, Darleen's house is packed to the rafters with stuff, according to her daughter-in-law.

"She was a pack rat. The house was hers to fill up, and the shop was his, and oh my gosh is it full!" Misty Jo Kwiek said. "It will have to be sorted out, and I started looking at it, but I just couldn't do anything yet. I felt like I was invading their privacy."

Terry was a bit of a shopper too, and Darleen used to scold him for his extravagant purchases unless he brought her something too, Amanda Anderson said.

"He'd always buy things and hide them from her. Then she'd find them," Amanda said. "The day we got a new four-wheeler and a new dirt bike and pulled in the driveway with them, she was so mad."

"I remember when he bought something really expensive (for himself), and he went out and bought her all new furniture so it would be OK," Gage said.LAGRANGE Two closed caskets were covered in flowers at LaGrange's Carney-Frost Funeral Home Wednesday as the family and friends of homicide victims Terry and Darleen Anderson gathered to bid them goodbye.

Funeral services are today for the Mongo couple who were found dead on their property Friday. Police still have no suspects in the case.

Terry and Darleen Anderson are gone, but their spirits were very much present at Wednesday's calling, where treasured memories were shared aloud, hugs were plentiful, tears were wiped away, laughter occasionally bubbled up and, most importantly, love lived on.

"We're going to make their dreams our dreams," said the couple's daughter, Amanda, affirming that the family would be keeping the home where her parents died. "Dad wanted a full wrap-around porch, to tear down the barn, new siding. There's electrical work to do. Mom wanted new curtains, new furniture.

"We just need a security system."

Twenty-year-old Amanda Anderson sat on a sofa near her parents' caskets Wednesday, surrounded by close friends and family members. The dark shadows under her eyes testifying to how little sleep she's had in the past few days, Amanda Anderson was still in shock but she spoke bravely about her parents.

Topwater Terry

Terry Anderson had a tattoo of a muskie on his arm and a love for hunting in his heart. Many of the memories people shared about him Wednesday involved animals, both pets and prey. He was nicknamed Topwater Terry in connection with his passion for muskie fishing.

"Dad loved the outdoors, hunting and fishing," Amanda Anderson said. "He was a muskie guy, and he would ice fish constantly in the winter.

"He was proud of his boat, and

his truck was his pride and joy. He loved his children and his grandchildren. He was a hard worker."

When asked if she used to go fishing with her dad, Amanda was quick to smile. "Not very much because he would scream and yell, but if anybody ever needed anything, he would make sure you had it. If you needed money for lunch or if you needed advice ... he would give it."

Terry and his friends called themselves The Brothers of the Woods, and Terry also went by the nickname The Norwegian Monkey Man from Mongo, said his best friend, Bill Gage.

"Terry's most famous in Mongo for his iron skillet. It's never been washed! He made the best deer meat in the whole state, maybe the whole country in that," Gage said. "We lived on hazelnuts or filberts and deer meat all winter."

Gage also shared a memory of Terry that involved his old pet pig, Oink Johnson, which he said grew into the biggest pig he'd ever seen.

"He'd try to ride Oink Johnson," Gage said, laughing. "When the pig got hungry, it would get noisy, and Terry would say, ‘Shut up, Oink Johnson! I'll feed you when I'm ready.' That pig was as big as a cow. Its pork chops looked like T-bone steaks."

Terry was also a famous turkey hunter, Gage said. "He would get his turkey in 10 minutes. Everybody in town was jealous of that. I would hunt all day without getting one."

Terry's barn was bigger than his house and included a large storage area, a tool shed and workroom and his hunting cabin. "Every time he got an extra $500, $600, he'd call the Amish men. ‘I want to build on. Frame it up,'" Gage said.

Rick and Misty Jo Kwiek of California, Terry's oldest son and his wife, said Terry taught his grandsons how to fish and used to secretly slip them gold dollars when their parents weren't looking. Terry often took Rick out fishing when he visited Indiana.

"I remember going to Cree Lake," Kwiek said. "He got in the boat, and he wanted me to back up the boat. Well, I'm from Chicago. I'm lucky if I can drive my own car. He was yelling, ‘No, not that way! More right, more left!' Normally, he was mellow, but ..."

Terry was a tree trimmer for Asplundh. His co-worker, and Amanda Anderson's boyfriend, Quae Proctor, has many fond memories of him, including watching Terry ride around his yard on a lawnmower, poking at pesky moles with a pitchfork.

Another time, the two men worked together to cut off the top 8 feet of a tree that was full of honey bees.

"The boss wanted the bees dropped in the driveway to get it down quick, but Terry wouldn't do it. He screened up the holes so the bees couldn't get out, and he insisted on having those honey bees relocated to some other area," Proctor said. "There was 50-60 pounds of honey in the log. There was so much, it was seeping out the pores of the wood."

"He drove those bees from Syracuse all the way to Mongo," Amanda Anderson said, adding that Terry gave the log to a beekeeper friend of his.

Shop ‘til you drop Darleen

Darleen Anderson's proclivity for shopping was one of her defining characteristics, according to friends and family."Mom loved garage sale-ing," Amanda Anderson said fondly. "She used to bring home a lot of junk."

"She could outshop us all, and Terry could outfish all us guys," Proctor said.

"Every time we came from California, she would take us to Shipshewana, and we were at the flea markets and garage sales," Misty Jo Kwiek said. "We wouldn't get home until after dark because she wouldn't quit. It was always, ‘Just one more garage sale!'

"She'd know we were coming, and she'd start hitting the garage sales for toys for the grandkids ... The boys loved their grandma."

Darleen also passed down her skill at playing the piano to her daughter, and she collected rocks of all kinds. She bought from dealers and often reminded Proctor and her husband to keep their eyes open for interesting rocks in the cornfields. "We always brought something back for her," Proctor said.

With her collections and her shopping habit, Darleen's house is packed to the rafters with stuff, according to her daughter-in-law.

"She was a pack rat. The house was hers to fill up, and the shop was his, and oh my gosh is it full!" Misty Jo Kwiek said. "It will have to be sorted out, and I started looking at it, but I just couldn't do anything yet. I felt like I was invading their privacy."

Terry was a bit of a shopper too, and Darleen used to scold him for his extravagant purchases unless he brought her something too, Amanda Anderson said.

"He'd always buy things and hide them from her. Then she'd find them," Amanda said. "The day we got a new four-wheeler and a new dirt bike and pulled in the driveway with them, she was so mad."

"I remember when he bought something really expensive (for himself), and he went out and bought her all new furniture so it would be OK," Gage said.



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Dark Knight
10-10-2006, 02:37 PM
The archived articles are posted above. Thanks to the Herald Republican and KPC Publishing for permission to reprint them!

Rosco
10-10-2006, 04:58 PM
Yes, we can only guess at what our own reactions would be but I get a cold sick feeling in the pit of my stomach even thinking about that happening to my parents. I don't think I'd be able to stay in the house where it happened either.

How did A stay in the house with such an obvious and bloody reminder of the crime? Even after three weeks the sights and smells might remain so I wonder at the kind of person who'd want to rent a room in that house.

blaize
I get/GOT the same feeling when I was at my dad's place after the murders took place. The LE allowed the property to be exposed to all less then 48hrs after the murders took place. We/family used the home as a meeting place - for all family to come and say peace.. Just FYI... When people were coming to the home that weekend after the murders, they were coming to the house for ONE REASON... and quess who was never there to greet their visits? A... I always had to track her down somewhere - OR she was not there at all. Her boyfriend(X) at the time was never to be seen...or if he was he was burning up the back yard/woods with the quads and making all kinds of racket...and they were ENGAGED to be married. One would think that a pre-son-in-law of the murdered victims would want to show respect and see the friends and family that came and gave food and money and tears... I did MOST of the planning and greeting... Me and my husband..

Rosco
10-10-2006, 05:01 PM
From The Farmer's Exchange Sale Calendar on 5th October 2006 (http://tinyurl.com/he5vs)

Oct. 3, 4:30 p.m.

Estates of Terry & Darlene Anderson, 8 miles east of LaGrange, Ind. on US 20 to SR 3, then north 2½ miles to CR 250N, then west 1¾ miles to 6270 East CR 250N. Strawser Auctions AC68700183 by Michael G. Strawser AU01036470, Auct.
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I asume the family knew about this & hopefully were able to take some personal mementos from the property.

blaize
I did find out about this auction... I was 'advised' not to attend due to security...also I don't know how I would have reacted if I stepped foot on my dad's property and seen A... I think I might have gone to jail.. ANYWAY.. I sent a few 'friends' to the auction and they were able to obtain a few articles... BUT.. also told that the auction was more like a 'garage sale' nothing of value really was there to sell.. Non of great-grandma's antiques were out... nothing from the house as far as doll-collections or any of my dad's nice poles - I wanted one of his cane-poles he had.. not there. Can't sell anything like house, cars, boat.. Bank owns that right now.. The property is in Probate. The 'will' was not legal.. not notarized.... worthless...

Rosco
10-10-2006, 05:09 PM
I wasn't familiar with this case, and had never heard of it before tonight. I read all the info on the web I could find, as well as all of the post in this thread.

As someone who studied profiling for a bit, there are a few things that stand out as odd, but heres the prominent one, that I don't recall anyone mentioning.

If you were 20 years old, and your parents had just been brutally murdered, you would, in all likelyhood, not want to inhabit the house. BUT, that aside, because that is a mental fear to be overcome, wouldn't you have an immediate fear of whomever did this coming back? That is a practical fear.

The only way you could live there comfortbly, would be if you were secure in the knowledge that you KNEW they would not be coming back. Which of course leads to the logic that A def knows who did this, how, and why. She has no fear of them coming back.

PLUS, the gunshot wound comment was totally out line. Under sever, unexpected duress, most people would reply "I don't know". The only reason she would bevery specific would be if she was trying to throw LE immediately off the trail.
That is an interesting point about the gunshot comment. I would think the LE knows/thinks the same as you... One would hope. LE said there have been 2 profilers who reviewed this case - from different areas and not knowing one-another.. LE will not express that report to me.. I know when I was on the property I would not wait to get away once that sun went down....

Rosco
10-10-2006, 05:45 PM
DK, I still cannot access the archives. I think the quotes above speak for themselves though. I would like to know who she is referring to when she says "we"?

Rosco, you said the will was on a handwritten paper. Was this ever verified in case it was forged? I wouldn't be surprised if it was signed under duress. You said the life insurance policy was mentioned in this note. Don't you have to put down a beneficairy beforehand, like when you fill it out? I guess they would have listed each other first, then her since she was their bio daughter.

Here is what I am thinking. I know you do not want anything, as you have stated. But, what if you were to stir up the pot a little? It seems you may be entitled to something, and could contest the "will". Although, it may not be a good idea if she is the one responsible. If she killed once, she may do it again. I agree with other posters that at 20 years old there is no way I could live in my murdered parents home. If I didn't do it I would be afraid of someone coming after me. If I did do it I would be afraid of their spirits or my guilt getting me.

I think LE may know a lot more than they are telling you. To me it seems obvious who have motive. Another question. Was A's ex boyfriend her ex at the time of the murders? Would it be strange for them to be together as each others alibies?
X- was not X at the time of murders. They were suposed to be getting married and that was what both were going around telling everyone.. Well X- told me that 'not to worry - I will take care of her.. I plan on marrying her'... He can not deny he said that right on the front steps of the sheriff's office... It was me and him..

As far as beneficairy - they placed each other first.. SO it got down to who survived who... and the coroner ruled Darleen first - just becz she was found first. dad was found hours later due to the fact that once a body is found to be murdered - you have to close the scene and get a warrent to search further =- that is what I was told. took a few hours to do that and that was when they searched for my dad and found him in the pole-barn.

A and X broke-up just a few months ago.. maybe june.. and A has new boyfriend.. another charector that worked at the same tree service they ALL worked at.. (dad, A, X..and now new) Funny how they were going to marry and 6 months after they break up and now BRAND NEW boyfriend - in line...

Dark Knight
10-10-2006, 06:23 PM
That is an interesting point about the gunshot comment. I would think the LE knows/thinks the same as you... One would hope. LE said there have been 2 profilers who reviewed this case - from different areas and not knowing one-another.. LE will not express that report to me.. I know when I was on the property I would not wait to get away once that sun went down....
LE won't tell you many of the details because they don't know what you might pass along to your sister, etc. I'd never trust a family member with that info, anyways, no matter what they said.

William R Thomas
10-10-2006, 10:10 PM
To be fair, she did add "a security system" to her list of renovations. *shrugs* It ain't much I realize, lol.

I saw that. But wouldn't it be the first thing you said, and not an afterthought?

blaize
10-10-2006, 10:10 PM
From The Farmer's Exchange Sale Calendar on 5th October 2006 (http://tinyurl.com/he5vs)

Oct. 3, 4:30 p.m.

Estates of Terry & Darlene Anderson, 8 miles east of LaGrange, Ind. on US 20 to SR 3, then north 2½ miles to CR 250N, then west 1¾ miles to 6270 East CR 250N. Strawser Auctions AC68700183 by Michael G. Strawser AU01036470, Auct.
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I asume the family knew about this & hopefully were able to take some personal mementos from the property.

blaize

blaize
10-11-2006, 03:56 AM
Story 1 Link (http://tinyurl.com/q896e)

Posted on Tue, Nov. 01, 2005
Angela Mapes/The Journal Gazette

A memorial stands in front of Terry and Darleen Anderson’s home near Mongo. Police say the couple were killed late Oct. 20 or early Oct. 21.

A search for answers, justice in Mongo deaths

By Angela Mapes

The Journal Gazette

MONGO – Eric Musilek usually visited his father-in-law, Terry Anderson, to go hunting and fishing.

On Oct. 21, he went to Anderson’s Mongo home charged with a much more chilling task – cleaning up the scene of a double homicide.

Terry Anderson, 59, and his wife, Darleen, 57, were found dead by their daughter, Amanda, on the morning of Oct. 21. The crime remains under investigation, and no suspects have been charged.

On Monday, police in LaGrange County sent out a list of some of the items taken from the Andersons, asking the public to contact them if they’ve seen any, most of which were weapons used in hunting.

Police told Musilek, who is married to Terry Anderson’s daughter, Sherry, that he could hire a cleaning service to clean the Anderson house. Musilek said he wanted the scene treated with respect.

“They were stripped of their dignity,” said Musilek, of Crestwood, Ill. “Terry would have done the same for me.”

Musilek burned the couch where Darleen was found dead, stripped out blood-stained carpet and ripped down curtains.

He cleaned up the barn where Terry Anderson was killed – a barn he helped him build a few years back.

Seated on the Andersons’ screened-in porch Monday afternoon, Musilek said he wants nothing more than to see the Andersons’ killer get the death penalty.

(Story Continued At Link Above)

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Story 2 Link (http://tinyurl.com/qt88o)

Posted on Wed, Oct. 26, 2005
Journal entry
A town transformed

The double homicide last week in Mongo could have happened in any one of the small towns of northeast Indiana. The fact that it happened in Mongo brought the sudden realization, for me, how quickly something like that can change a community.

I spend a lot of time in and around Mongo. The small town, along the Pigeon River just south of the Michigan state line, is kind of my second home.


(Story Continued At Link Above)

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Story 3 Link (http://tinyurl.com/lbe7a)

Fear moves to town Mongo awakens to harsh reality of double slaying

FORT WAYNE - THE JOURNAL GAZETTE 051025 Tuesday, October 25, 2005 Photos by Samuel Hoffman/The Journal Gazette Gerald Johnson, owner of the Mongo Country Store, often talked fishing with homicide victim Terry Anderson.

Jim Codling, right, owner of the Mongo Tavern, talks with a bar patron Monday. He said the town is on edge after last week's double homicide of Terry and Darleen Anderson. "We lock everything, when we didn't used to lock anything," Codling said.
By Angela Mapes The Journal Gazette
MONGO
Fear moves to town Mongo awakens to harsh reality of double slaying

Gerald Johnson is worried that there's a killer on the loose.

(Story Continued At Link Above)

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blaize

Dark Knight
10-11-2006, 05:07 AM
Story 1 Link (http://tinyurl.com/q896e)

Posted on Tue, Nov. 01, 2005
Angela Mapes/The Journal Gazette

A memorial stands in front of Terry and Darleen Anderson’s home near Mongo. Police say the couple were killed late Oct. 20 or early Oct. 21.

A search for answers, justice in Mongo deaths

By Angela Mapes

The Journal Gazette

MONGO – Eric Musilek usually visited his father-in-law, Terry Anderson, to go hunting and fishing.

On Oct. 21, he went to Anderson’s Mongo home charged with a much more chilling task – cleaning up the scene of a double homicide.

Terry Anderson, 59, and his wife, Darleen, 57, were found dead by their daughter, Amanda, on the morning of Oct. 21. The crime remains under investigation, and no suspects have been charged.

On Monday, police in LaGrange County sent out a list of some of the items taken from the Andersons, asking the public to contact them if they’ve seen any, most of which were weapons used in hunting.

Police told Musilek, who is married to Terry Anderson’s daughter, Sherry, that he could hire a cleaning service to clean the Anderson house. Musilek said he wanted the scene treated with respect.

“They were stripped of their dignity,” said Musilek, of Crestwood, Ill. “Terry would have done the same for me.”

Musilek burned the couch where Darleen was found dead, stripped out blood-stained carpet and ripped down curtains.

He cleaned up the barn where Terry Anderson was killed – a barn he helped him build a few years back.

Seated on the Andersons’ screened-in porch Monday afternoon, Musilek said he wants nothing more than to see the Andersons’ killer get the death penalty.

(Story Continued At Link Above)

............................................

Story 2 Link (http://tinyurl.com/qt88o)

Posted on Wed, Oct. 26, 2005
Journal entry
A town transformed

The double homicide last week in Mongo could have happened in any one of the small towns of northeast Indiana. The fact that it happened in Mongo brought the sudden realization, for me, how quickly something like that can change a community.

I spend a lot of time in and around Mongo. The small town, along the Pigeon River just south of the Michigan state line, is kind of my second home.


(Story Continued At Link Above)

............................................

Story 3 Link (http://tinyurl.com/lbe7a)

Fear moves to town Mongo awakens to harsh reality of double slaying

FORT WAYNE - THE JOURNAL GAZETTE 051025 Tuesday, October 25, 2005 Photos by Samuel Hoffman/The Journal Gazette Gerald Johnson, owner of the Mongo Country Store, often talked fishing with homicide victim Terry Anderson.

Jim Codling, right, owner of the Mongo Tavern, talks with a bar patron Monday. He said the town is on edge after last week's double homicide of Terry and Darleen Anderson. "We lock everything, when we didn't used to lock anything," Codling said.
By Angela Mapes The Journal Gazette
MONGO
Fear moves to town Mongo awakens to harsh reality of double slaying

Gerald Johnson is worried that there's a killer on the loose.

(Story Continued At Link Above)

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blaize
From the first story:

Police released a list of missing items Monday but have remained mum on details of the investigation.

“They haven’t told me a single thing,” Amanda Anderson said. “I’m kind of nervous about that. I’m really nervous about that.”

Hmmm, wonder why she is really nervous about that. ;)

blaize
10-11-2006, 05:20 AM
From the first story:

Police released a list of missing items Monday but have remained mum on details of the investigation.

“They haven’t told me a single thing,” Amanda Anderson said. “I’m kind of nervous about that. I’m really nervous about that.”

Hmmm, wonder why she is really nervous about that. ;)Yes, I wondered if you'd pick up on that Dark Knight but did you also see where "A" says “I have a problem walking to my car when it’s dusk,” she said. (From the first story link)

The context was interesting to me in that A seemed to be saying what she thought the reporter and Mr Musilek might want to hear for whatever reason.

Later on A says “If I want anything in the world to have right now, it’s to find out who did it,”.

We can only hope that A will get her wish soon and that justice will be served.

blaize

blaize
10-11-2006, 05:30 AM
LE won't tell you many of the details because they don't know what you might pass along to your sister, etc. I'd never trust a family member with that info, anyways, no matter what they said.LINK (http://tinyurl.com/lbe7a) (Tuesday, October 25, 2005) A statement released Sunday by the LaGrange County Sheriff's Office said the Andersons died of blunt force trauma and items of value were found missing from the property.

In all fairness LE will keep as much info as possible to themselves before the investigation ends so that when they question a suspect/s or person/s of interest they have details that they know only the killer/s know and can question them on these points.

It isn't really a matter of trust but more along the lines of good investigative strategy to hold details back.

blaize

Dark Knight
10-11-2006, 06:21 AM
Yes, I wondered if you'd pick up on that Dark Knight but did you also see where "A" says “I have a problem walking to my car when it’s dusk,” she said. (From the first story link)

The context was interesting to me in that A seemed to be saying what she thought the reporter and Mr Musilek might want to hear for whatever reason.

Later on A says “If I want anything in the world to have right now, it’s to find out who did it,”.

We can only hope that A will get her wish soon and that justice will be served.

blaize
And the reporter said she "jumped in" with that. Like, "Oh, by the way, me too!"

Great job in finding those articles!!!!!!!

I guess we now know "A's" real name, lol, but I am still using "A" to cover my legal butt, hehe.

blaize
10-11-2006, 08:19 AM
And the reporter said she "jumped in" with that. Like, "Oh, by the way, me too!"

Great job in finding those articles!!!!!!!

I guess we now know "A's" real name, lol, but I am still using "A" to cover my legal butt, hehe.Thanks Dark Knight. This is a horrible case and A seems to be very young & it's possible that she's been manipulated by someone she thought she could trust. We won't know until LE decides to show their hand.

The facts as we know them do seem to point to the guilt of people who were close to Terry & Darleen and maybe even worked with Terry but until LE decide to make their move we can only speculate and hope that anyone with any pertinent information that would lead to a breakthrough in this case will come forward.

blaize

HollywoodBound
10-11-2006, 09:43 AM
I did find out about this auction... I was 'advised' not to attend due to security...also I don't know how I would have reacted if I stepped foot on my dad's property and seen A... I think I might have gone to jail.. ANYWAY.. I sent a few 'friends' to the auction and they were able to obtain a few articles... BUT.. also told that the auction was more like a 'garage sale' nothing of value really was there to sell.. Non of great-grandma's antiques were out... nothing from the house as far as doll-collections or any of my dad's nice poles - I wanted one of his cane-poles he had.. not there. Can't sell anything like house, cars, boat.. Bank owns that right now.. The property is in Probate. The 'will' was not legal.. not notarized.... worthless...I'm just trying to understand this part. I take it all the work "A" is doing (wrap around porch, furniture, tear barn down) is being done on a bank owned home? Why would this be done?

blaize
10-11-2006, 12:36 PM
I'm just trying to understand this part. I take it all the work "A" is doing (wrap around porch, furniture, tear barn down) is being done on a bank owned home? Why would this be done?That's right Hollywoodbound, we know she planned to do all of this because she said so shortly after the murders but we don't know if any of the work was actually completed or even started. Maybe Rosco can help us out here.

blaize

Rosco
10-11-2006, 05:32 PM
From the first story:

Police released a list of missing items Monday but have remained mum on details of the investigation.

“They haven’t told me a single thing,” Amanda Anderson said. “I’m kind of nervous about that. I’m really nervous about that.”

Hmmm, wonder why she is really nervous about that. ;)
Dark Knight - I TOTALLY wondered about that when I read it too for the first time.. WHY WOULD SHE BE WORRIED?????????

Rosco
10-11-2006, 05:41 PM
That's right Hollywoodbound, we know she planned to do all of this because she said so shortly after the murders but we don't know if any of the work was actually completed or even started. Maybe Rosco can help us out here.

blaize
Nothing has been redone. She has not received the money for the property, 401k or insurance - as far as I know. Actually some people said that the property looks very run down... not kept up. Unlike my dad - he kept the property up.. clean and swept.

Rosco
10-11-2006, 05:48 PM
Thanks Dark Knight. This is a horrible case and A seems to be very young & it's possible that she's been manipulated by someone she thought she could trust. We won't know until LE decides to show their hand.

The facts as we know them do seem to point to the guilt of people who were close to Terry & Darleen and maybe even worked with Terry but until LE decide to make their move we can only speculate and hope that anyone with any pertinent information that would lead to a breakthrough in this case will come forward.

blaize
I have to agree 100 percent blaize. Unfortunatly A's actions does not contitute murder - just behavior that is not understandable - by not contacting me or any family member and say/doing the things she has said and done after the murders. I think everyday that my thoughts are LE knows something.. and until they tell me - I can only go by the facts that are thown in to my lap... and her being the way she is DOES NOT look good... If there was anyone else who was at the house... why not talk to me anymore??? Did she really hate me and my husband and my brother THAT much to never talk to me again and to make rumors about me and my/our brother taking from her...as to the reasons why she is not talking to her family? I don't think so... I think she knows something.. my true feelings... and I am talking about my SISTER everyone... Try imagining your family.... in a situaiton.. I have been going on and on in my head for almost a year... I can not stop the 'red flags' that keep popping up all around me... Truly I can not imagine someone I love to do something of this brutal act... but the truth hurts sometimes..

blaize
10-11-2006, 05:48 PM
Nothing has been redone. She has not received the money for the property, 401k or insurance - as far as I know. Actually some people said that the property looks very run down... not kept up. Unlike my dad - he kept the property up.. clean and swept.So if we take that to a speculative conclusion any direct motive for the murders other than the immediate cash & other items stolen has been thawrted. No insurance money, no 401k payouts in over a year, perhaps someone will begin to get impatient and start talking.

blaize

blaize
10-11-2006, 06:05 PM
I have to agree 100 percent blaize. Unfortunatly A's actions does not contitute murder - just behavior that is not understandable - by not contacting me or any family member and say/doing the things she has said and done after the murders. I think everyday that my thoughts are LE knows something.. and until they tell me - I can only go by the facts that are thown in to my lap... and her being the way she is DOES NOT look good... If there was anyone else who was at the house... why not talk to me anymore??? Did she really hate me and my husband and my brother THAT much to never talk to me again and to make rumors about me and my/our brother taking from her...as to the reasons why she is not talking to her family? I don't think so... I think she knows something.. my true feelings... and I am talking about my SISTER everyone... Try imagining your family.... in a situaiton.. I have been going on and on in my head for almost a year... I can not stop the 'red flags' that keep popping up all around me... Truly I can not imagine someone I love to do something of this brutal act... but the truth hurts sometimes..Red flags are something you shouldn't ignore but at the same time don't jump to any conclusions until you know everything LE knows.

Be careful not to close doors on A just yet because if she wasn't directly involved but somehow drawn in through greed, fear or intimidation after the murders, she may be able to help LE slot the clues together and solve this crime.

blaize

Dark Knight
10-11-2006, 07:15 PM
I have to agree 100 percent blaize. Unfortunatly A's actions does not contitute murder - just behavior that is not understandable - by not contacting me or any family member and say/doing the things she has said and done after the murders. I think everyday that my thoughts are LE knows something.. and until they tell me - I can only go by the facts that are thown in to my lap... and her being the way she is DOES NOT look good... If there was anyone else who was at the house... why not talk to me anymore??? Did she really hate me and my husband and my brother THAT much to never talk to me again and to make rumors about me and my/our brother taking from her...as to the reasons why she is not talking to her family? I don't think so... I think she knows something.. my true feelings... and I am talking about my SISTER everyone... Try imagining your family.... in a situaiton.. I have been going on and on in my head for almost a year... I can not stop the 'red flags' that keep popping up all around me... Truly I can not imagine someone I love to do something of this brutal act... but the truth hurts sometimes..
She may not have gotten the money yet, but it had to be in the forefront of her mind given what she said at the funeral to the newspaper. And didn't you say to me that she was living in a run down trailer, but stayed at the house with her parents most of the time? She obviously preferred to be there (not that I blame her for that.) She obviously had opportunity, but is that enough motive? What if she, or her boyfriend, or the guy who rented the house, were on drugs at the time? I think she may at least knows who did it, if not directly involved herself. The drug activity you have told me about could be the catalyst for this. Needing drug money, wanting the house, lack of rationale while under the influence of drugs, etc. can all contribute to the motive. *shrugs* Just throwing out ideas.

Dark Knight
10-11-2006, 11:18 PM
Dark Knight - I TOTALLY wondered about that when I read it too for the first time.. WHY WOULD SHE BE WORRIED?????????
That was definately an interesting comment she made.

blaize
10-12-2006, 06:50 AM
That was definately an interesting comment she made.Maybe she has reason to be worried. Let's theorize a little here on why someone would want to rent a room or rooms in a house three weeks after a double murder was committed there?

Is it possible that the renter needs to stay close to A to make sure she doesn't let anything incriminating slip? It just seems very odd to me that someone with a known criminal past would want to live in a house that they know to be under close scrutiny by LE.

blaize

Dark Knight
10-12-2006, 06:59 AM
Maybe she has reason to be worried. Let's theorize a little here on why someone would want to rent a room or rooms in a house three weeks after a double murder was committed there?

Is it possible that the renter needs to stay close to A to make sure she doesn't let anything incriminating slip? It just seems very odd to me that someone with a known criminal past would want to live in a house that they know to be under close scrutiny by LE.

blaize
The murders were clearly premeditated and well planned out, so if these people are responsible, then the rental was all part of the deal, somehow, I feel.

blaize
10-12-2006, 09:48 AM
The murders were clearly premeditated and well planned out, so if these people are responsible, then the rental was all part of the deal, somehow, I feel.Premeditated yes, well planned out hmmm, no I don't think so. If it's who we think it is they could have had easy access to the guns on the property. So why use a blunt object to kill both Terry & Darleen when they could just as easily have used one of the guns and had less cleaning up to do?

On the other hand it could be that they originally planned to use a gun but when it came down to it couldn't find the ammunition for it or couldn't get immediate access to a gun at the house and so were forced to fall back on the use of the axe or whatever they actually used. I'm just speculating again because of A's saying to police that she found her mum with a gunshot to the head.

According to police, the Andersons' daughter arrived at the home Friday to meet her father for work. She called police dispatch at about 7:21 a.m. to report finding her mother lying on a couch with a gunshot wound to the head. LINK (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1204426&postcount=80)

The rental issue is cause for concern on a lot of fronts, not least of which is A's safety because anyone who had a hand in such a bloody double murder is not going to hesitate when it comes to adding one more to the list.

Again this is all pure speculation so hopefully LE will make their move soon and make some arrests.

blaize

Rosco
10-12-2006, 10:45 AM
Premeditated yes, well planned out hmmm, no I don't think so. If it's who we think it is they could have had easy access to the guns on the property. So why use a blunt object to kill both Terry & Darleen when they could just as easily have used one of the guns and had less cleaning up to do?

On the other hand it could be that they originally planned to use a gun but when it came down to it couldn't find the ammunition for it or couldn't get immediate access to a gun at the house and so were forced to fall back on the use of the axe or whatever they actually used. I'm just speculating again because of A's saying to police that she found her mum with a gunshot to the head.

According to police, the Andersons' daughter arrived at the home Friday to meet her father for work. She called police dispatch at about 7:21 a.m. to report finding her mother lying on a couch with a gunshot wound to the head. LINK (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1204426&postcount=80)

The rental issue is cause for concern on a lot of fronts, not least of which is A's safety because anyone who had a hand in such a bloody double murder is not going to hesitate when it comes to adding one more to the list.

Again this is all pure speculation so hopefully LE will make their move soon and make some arrests.

blaize
I can't remember 'A' or 'X' ever really shooting a gun with us when we would play at dad's place. We all took turns target shooting... Also - majority of guns were in safe that dad had and that was locked... took a combo and key to open... and let me tell you - my husband was the only person who knew where both were.. dad told him over the summer when he picked up the new safe... The numbers were not where he said but the key was there - LE found it after husband told them.. they looked for combo numbers - where dad said he would write them - but not there.. either dad never got around to it.. or perps found it BUT not the numbers - to open safe and get a pick of at least 20 guns in the safe.. Maybe perps were afraid of noise and alarming grandma - who reminder - lived on the property and was there that night - claims heard nothing..

I pray LE makes a move soon. It's one year next week. I am getting calls asking if ME..I.. amd planning a memorial service... I tell them to contact A..it was her parents and she needs to take some action on that... I will NOT be doing any such thing... Ball is in her court.. I am very courious on what A will say to public when they ask... HMMMMM... really want to be a fly on that wall when she is confronted...

Rosco
10-12-2006, 10:49 AM
The murders were clearly premeditated and well planned out, so if these people are responsible, then the rental was all part of the deal, somehow, I feel.
Dark Knight - I agree with the rental already being in place.. WAY too quick for someone to move in.. I think the plan/thoughts were in place for a few months.. I didn't feel anything when we all went out there for a holiday in July... I NEVER felt any trouble with the home - dad never said anything nor did darleen. They were not happy about 'A' moving in with 'X' at the time.. but clearly she was of age to do anything..and they felt that 'X' was ok - at the time... remember they helped him and made him feel as family. Dad got him job at the tree service.. A and X were together almost 2yrs at the time of murders.. so it was a while - not just 6months or so...

Rosco
10-12-2006, 10:53 AM
Maybe she has reason to be worried. Let's theorize a little here on why someone would want to rent a room or rooms in a house three weeks after a double murder was committed there?

Is it possible that the renter needs to stay close to A to make sure she doesn't let anything incriminating slip? It just seems very odd to me that someone with a known criminal past would want to live in a house that they know to be under close scrutiny by LE.

blaize
I have pondered that question 500 times... ALSO - new development I found out... A is NOT allowed in the house anymore. SHe has since purchased a trailer on the property to live as the renter has kicked her out.. said that they have 1 yr lease on home and will not leave until up.. Well that brings us around thanksgiving time... Funny her own rental.. a friend again I will explain - has just kicked her out of HER house... WOW... maybe the walls are starting to crumble... and people will talk???? LE is aware of her being thrown out of house and lives on trailer on property...

Rosco
10-12-2006, 10:58 AM
That was definately an interesting comment she made.
my brother and I had an issue with 'x' while we were driving in the car - on our way to the LE less than 24hrs after - cuz LE wanted to question everyone again.. 'X" said that 'F--k the LE' and my brother got in 'x' face and asked why he has a problem with talking to LE?... 'X' said he did'nt and there was this big BROO HAHA in front of the LE station... A.. got all freaking that brother and X was going to fight and I had to scream at her to shut up and tell X that he better start talking.. and it was left at that.. I think about that situation.. that how everyone was so not wanting to cooperate... and i thought - WHY NOT!??? LE is helping - they are on our side...!!!!! At the time - you have to understand that nobody thought/thinks anyone did the crime... we all thought outsider.. or drifter..or something.. Time really changes that thought process.

Rosco
10-12-2006, 11:04 AM
She may not have gotten the money yet, but it had to be in the forefront of her mind given what she said at the funeral to the newspaper. And didn't you say to me that she was living in a run down trailer, but stayed at the house with her parents most of the time? She obviously preferred to be there (not that I blame her for that.) She obviously had opportunity, but is that enough motive? What if she, or her boyfriend, or the guy who rented the house, were on drugs at the time? I think she may at least knows who did it, if not directly involved herself. The drug activity you have told me about could be the catalyst for this. Needing drug money, wanting the house, lack of rationale while under the influence of drugs, etc. can all contribute to the motive. *shrugs* Just throwing out ideas.
Even if A had not committed... if she KNOWS something and not told LE.. she is 'guilty by association' and A can do just the same amount of hardtime... I thought A might have gotten in too deep maybe.. and i know drugs are there.. i was told my LE.. SOO.. maybe A did get into something... deep.. it all happend.. Why not come to brother - who is pastor.. or sister who is/always loved and showed love and respect to her.. opend arms and everything always for her..?? Moment we all left that property - plan was in action.. What plan? What motive..? I don't know... but I'll be damn... I was NEVER going to be a part of that plan. I/WE were never part of her 'new found family and friends"...

Rosco
10-12-2006, 11:08 AM
So if we take that to a speculative conclusion any direct motive for the murders other than the immediate cash & other items stolen has been thawrted. No insurance money, no 401k payouts in over a year, perhaps someone will begin to get impatient and start talking.

blaize

OH BOY BLAIZE... I really think that.. only becuz I think that thoughts of getting the loot was within months of murders.. and thought that written will was the go ahead... Well.. should have done homework.. and probate can take YEARS... also if someone is still suspects... money will not be given to them by insurance company or bank to hand over the home/property all that quick.. OHH I am waiting for the chirping of the stool pidgins!!!!

Rosco
10-12-2006, 11:22 AM
Red flags are something you shouldn't ignore but at the same time don't jump to any conclusions until you know everything LE knows.

Be careful not to close doors on A just yet because if she wasn't directly involved but somehow drawn in through greed, fear or intimidation after the murders, she may be able to help LE slot the clues together and solve this crime.

blaize
why waiting??? been a year.. Believe me... A has chosen a path...and that path is/does not involve myself or my brother and husband.. this path is not a pretty one and not a healthy one.. The companions A has chosen are not the type that I or brother would associate with and suprised that A could too.. I truly think that 'X" had majory part in this.. but why not A come forward.. clearly 'x' is not in the picture anymore.. Also - can LE can protect A from harm if they get info from her.. I don't understand why not asking for help. If 'A' would come forward to me or brother...and talk .. ask or help... I/WE would not close the door. We/I love her and always will.. I pray for her everyday. Somewhere along the life.. something happend... and it's really bad

Rosco
10-12-2006, 11:39 AM
I read this in a book -

`Death is a great teacher. It's just too harsh. I wish I could tell you that through the tragedy I mined some undiscovered, life-altering absolute that I could pass on to you. I didn't. The cliches apply - people are what count, life is precious, materialism is overrated, the little things matter, live in the moment - and I can repeat them to you ad nauseam. You might listen, but you won't internalize. Tragedy hammers it home. Tragedy etches it onto your soul. You might not be happier. But you will be better.'

gardenmom
10-12-2006, 01:22 PM
I have pondered that question 500 times... ALSO - new development I found out... A is NOT allowed in the house anymore. SHe has since purchased a trailer on the property to live as the renter has kicked her out.. said that they have 1 yr lease on home and will not leave until up.. Well that brings us around thanksgiving time... Funny her own rental.. a friend again I will explain - has just kicked her out of HER house... WOW... maybe the walls are starting to crumble... and people will talk???? LE is aware of her being thrown out of house and lives on trailer on property...
This part is confusing to me. Who is the renter and what are they renting? I think you mentioned before that the bank owns your parent's house? I'm not sure how this works after someone dies. Did they have a plan that in the event of their death that the house is paid off? If not, does it go back to the bank? How is the mortgage being taken care of?
Will A take phone calls from you? Do you think she will meet with you? If so, I wonder if you can put some serious questions to her while being recorded? When is the last time you were in touch with LE? Are they actively working on this case? Ask them about trying to get her to implicate herself with a recording. They may like that idea.

blaize
10-12-2006, 01:52 PM
This part is confusing to me. Who is the renter and what are they renting? I think you mentioned before that the bank owns your parent's house? I'm not sure how this works after someone dies. Did they have a plan that in the event of their death that the house is paid off? If not, does it go back to the bank? How is the mortgage being taken care of?
Will A take phone calls from you? Do you think she will meet with you? If so, I wonder if you can put some serious questions to her while being recorded? When is the last time you were in touch with LE? Are they actively working on this case? Ask them about trying to get her to implicate herself with a recording. They may like that idea.Hello gardenmom,

three weeks after the murder "A" rented the house or part of the house to a man named Larry Mack, a known friend of her exboyfriend and of Larry Carpenter, the man who has just been sentenced to "eight years in prison for a felony charge of cocaine possession & currently faces a misdemeanor count of false informing for giving detectives misleading, false and contradictory information in several interviews regarding the murders of Terry & Darleen Anderson". (Link) (http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/15628238.htm)

There was a handwritten note that was presented as the will which left everything to "A", but now that's in question so everything has to go through the lenghty probate process. I don't know if Rosco will be able to tell us how "A" is paying the mortgage because relations are very strained there.

I think it's a great idea to record the calls but somehow I don't think "A" would go for it.

blaize

Dark Knight
10-12-2006, 03:45 PM
Even if A had not committed... if she KNOWS something and not told LE.. she is 'guilty by association' and A can do just the same amount of hardtime... I thought A might have gotten in too deep maybe.. and i know drugs are there.. i was told my LE.. SOO.. maybe A did get into something... deep.. it all happend.. Why not come to brother - who is pastor.. or sister who is/always loved and showed love and respect to her.. opend arms and everything always for her..?? Moment we all left that property - plan was in action.. What plan? What motive..? I don't know... but I'll be damn... I was NEVER going to be a part of that plan. I/WE were never part of her 'new found family and friends"...
Do you mean drugs were found in the house by LE when they searched the property?

Dark Knight
10-12-2006, 03:47 PM
why waiting??? been a year.. Believe me... A has chosen a path...and that path is/does not involve myself or my brother and husband.. this path is not a pretty one and not a healthy one.. The companions A has chosen are not the type that I or brother would associate with and suprised that A could too.. I truly think that 'X" had majory part in this.. but why not A come forward.. clearly 'x' is not in the picture anymore.. Also - can LE can protect A from harm if they get info from her.. I don't understand why not asking for help. If 'A' would come forward to me or brother...and talk .. ask or help... I/WE would not close the door. We/I love her and always will.. I pray for her everyday. Somewhere along the life.. something happend... and it's really bad
Now that she has been kicked out, maybe now is the time for you to contact her and tell her what you just told us. She may be willing to reach out to you know, and maybe get back at her ex friends, as well. Simply tell her you will be there for her, etc. now and let her decide if she will tell you more than that, otherwise she might get defensive, again.

Dark Knight
10-12-2006, 03:49 PM
I can't remember 'A' or 'X' ever really shooting a gun with us when we would play at dad's place. We all took turns target shooting... Also - majority of guns were in safe that dad had and that was locked... took a combo and key to open... and let me tell you - my husband was the only person who knew where both were.. dad told him over the summer when he picked up the new safe... The numbers were not where he said but the key was there - LE found it after husband told them.. they looked for combo numbers - where dad said he would write them - but not there.. either dad never got around to it.. or perps found it BUT not the numbers - to open safe and get a pick of at least 20 guns in the safe.. Maybe perps were afraid of noise and alarming grandma - who reminder - lived on the property and was there that night - claims heard nothing..

I pray LE makes a move soon. It's one year next week. I am getting calls asking if ME..I.. amd planning a memorial service... I tell them to contact A..it was her parents and she needs to take some action on that... I will NOT be doing any such thing... Ball is in her court.. I am very courious on what A will say to public when they ask... HMMMMM... really want to be a fly on that wall when she is confronted...
Is there ANY chance A or X would have known where the numbers to the safe were? Terry might have said something, or they saw him?

And I thought you said you were doing a memorial of sorts to raise money for a reward?

Rosco
10-12-2006, 04:04 PM
This part is confusing to me. Who is the renter and what are they renting? I think you mentioned before that the bank owns your parent's house? I'm not sure how this works after someone dies. Did they have a plan that in the event of their death that the house is paid off? If not, does it go back to the bank? How is the mortgage being taken care of?
Will A take phone calls from you? Do you think she will meet with you? If so, I wonder if you can put some serious questions to her while being recorded? When is the last time you were in touch with LE? Are they actively working on this case? Ask them about trying to get her to implicate herself with a recording. They may like that idea.
The renter is a person who "X' new. A stranger to the family. Bank is aware of renting home.. I called bank and asked them why as there could/would be a problem if someone gets hurt and wants to sue the property for money.. They did not seem to be concerned. bank has power of property. Had a home eq on the property - but understood that dad had a policy that if anything happend the loan would be paid - like any large loans that are taken - car loan or homeloan.. you have an insurance in case of death to have dept paid. When there is no legal will the house property will then go into 'probate' owned by the state...and that is when the bank will handle all legal issues and depts to be paid...

A will NOT take a call from me what so ever.. Takes no calls from brother or anyone. I have not spoken to her since the day before that person moved into the home.. which was 3 weeks after the murders... LE is VERY active on this case.. so is DA office... I think that LE has taken every possible action that they can legal do in regards to A.

Rosco
10-12-2006, 04:06 PM
Do you mean drugs were found in the house by LE when they searched the property?
No drugs were found at my dad's place. Drugs were placed and to have been used with 'A' and 'X' that night the murders took place - their alibies.. with friends at the lake trailer they rented together. I have been informed that drugs are a daily issue with the charectors on my dad's property and with 'A'..

Rosco
10-12-2006, 04:09 PM
Hello gardenmom,

three weeks after the murder "A" rented the house or part of the house to a man named Larry Mack, a known friend of her exboyfriend and of Larry Carpenter, the man who has just been sentenced to "eight years in prison for a felony charge of cocaine possession & currently faces a misdemeanor count of false informing for giving detectives misleading, false and contradictory information in several interviews regarding the murders of Terry & Darleen Anderson". (Link) (http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/15628238.htm)

There was a handwritten note that was presented as the will which left everything to "A", but now that's in question so everything has to go through the lenghty probate process. I don't know if Rosco will be able to tell us how "A" is paying the mortgage because relations are very strained there.

I think it's a great idea to record the calls but somehow I don't think "A" would go for it.

blaize
Larry Carptenter has not been linked 'yet' to Larry Mack by LE..

LE has not told me there is any connection with Carpenter to 'A' or 'X" or Larry Mack. My assuption was that the two Larry's came from same town of Sturigis also from FLA in jail and same charges/drugs.. both did time in FLA... Just close with information makes me courious if they are connected - but no confirmation from LE that they are connected in anyway...

Rosco
10-12-2006, 04:13 PM
Is there ANY chance A or X would have known where the numbers to the safe were? Terry might have said something, or they saw him?

And I thought you said you were doing a memorial of sorts to raise money for a reward?
It's possible that someone seen him with the numbers.. but didn't know where the key was... Dad would NOT have said anything unless he wanted that person to know... if anything it would have been seen without him knowing.

I had a benifit 3 weeks ago to raise money for reward. I currently have 5K in the foundation. The memorial would have only been a church service with maybe some coverage with media.. I really feel that 'A' should be the lead on that... I want to step back and see if 'A' stands up and takes action.

Rosco
10-12-2006, 04:17 PM
Now that she has been kicked out, maybe now is the time for you to contact her and tell her what you just told us. She may be willing to reach out to you know, and maybe get back at her ex friends, as well. Simply tell her you will be there for her, etc. now and let her decide if she will tell you more than that, otherwise she might get defensive, again.She will not take any calls from me. She has never let her defense down with me, brother or husband - or any family member - like aunts and uncles.. I feel as tho I/we was kicked out the day I/we walked off the property 31oct 2005.. almost a year ago. I don't think she will ever want to be a part of us/me ever. And we refuse to beg her to talk. I and we all love her and truly want to get to the bottom of why she is acting the way she is.. but she has taken us down a road that she had NO right to do.. and personally I can forgive someone.. but I will not try and call her to see if she will finally breakdown and talk to me.. She has done nothing but make horrible rumors about me and my husband and brother... I find out from associates in the town... She has NO intentions of inviting me into her life... That probably does not sound mature... but I am truly bruised by this whole mess...and I have begged for months and called and wrote her letters... and for 'A' to continue to demote me and my family... is just unacceptable. To AGAIN call her and beg her to call me... I feel LE will get to the truth .. and I can feel it soon.. I know I sound bitter...

Would you??? Really look deep into your soul and tell me you would NOT be bitter..? Speak the truth..

Dark Knight
10-12-2006, 04:30 PM
She will not take any calls from me. She has never let her defense down with me, brother or husband - or any family member - like aunts and uncles.. I feel as tho I/we was kicked out the day I/we walked off the property 31oct 2005.. almost a year ago. I don't think she will ever want to be a part of us/me ever. And we refuse to beg her to talk. I and we all love her and truly want to get to the bottom of why she is acting the way she is.. but she has taken us down a road that she had NO right to do.. and personally I can forgive someone.. but I will not try and call her to see if she will finally breakdown and talk to me.. She has done nothing but make horrible rumors about me and my husband and brother... I find out from associates in the town... She has NO intentions of inviting me into her life... That probably does not sound mature... but I am truly bruised by this whole mess...and I have begged for months and called and wrote her letters... and for 'A' to continue to demote me and my family... is just unacceptable. To AGAIN call her and beg her to call me... I feel LE will get to the truth .. and I can feel it soon.. I know I sound bitter...

Would you??? Really look deep into your soul and tell me you would NOT be bitter..? Speak the truth..
As a Christian I try to be forgiving and not bitter, lol, but I certainly understand being very unhappy with her under those circumstances. You said you would take her back, so I am glad you are not more bitter than you are, and am proud of you for that.

Right before the one year anniversary, why not offer the $5,000 as an initial reward for information and release that to the media. The timing would get you very good coverage. Not only radio and newspapers, but S. Bend and Ft. Wayne TV stations, as well. I can help you in that regards.

Dark Knight
10-12-2006, 04:31 PM
She will not take any calls from me. She has never let her defense down with me, brother or husband - or any family member - like aunts and uncles.. I feel as tho I/we was kicked out the day I/we walked off the property 31oct 2005.. almost a year ago. I don't think she will ever want to be a part of us/me ever. And we refuse to beg her to talk. I and we all love her and truly want to get to the bottom of why she is acting the way she is.. but she has taken us down a road that she had NO right to do.. and personally I can forgive someone.. but I will not try and call her to see if she will finally breakdown and talk to me.. She has done nothing but make horrible rumors about me and my husband and brother... I find out from associates in the town... She has NO intentions of inviting me into her life... That probably does not sound mature... but I am truly bruised by this whole mess...and I have begged for months and called and wrote her letters... and for 'A' to continue to demote me and my family... is just unacceptable. To AGAIN call her and beg her to call me... I feel LE will get to the truth .. and I can feel it soon.. I know I sound bitter...

Would you??? Really look deep into your soul and tell me you would NOT be bitter..? Speak the truth..
Were you and your husband in Chicago the night of the murders, or were you in the area visiting family? Who notified you of the crime? Curious if it was LE or a family member.

Rosco
10-12-2006, 05:38 PM
Were you and your husband in Chicago the night of the murders, or were you in the area visiting family? Who notified you of the crime? Curious if it was LE or a family member.
I was at work DT chicago when I got the call. husband at home with our son. call was from 'X'... I asked to speak to 'A' and was told by 'X" that LE said not to talk to her - she was on medication for the sight she seen.

Rosco
10-12-2006, 05:43 PM
As a Christian I try to be forgiving and not bitter, lol, but I certainly understand being very unhappy with her under those circumstances. You said you would take her back, so I am glad you are not more bitter than you are, and am proud of you for that.

Right before the one year anniversary, why not offer the $5,000 as an initial reward for information and release that to the media. The timing would get you very good coverage. Not only radio and newspapers, but S. Bend and Ft. Wayne TV stations, as well. I can help you in that regards.
I think if you were placed in a situation like mine you might question your faith. God did not do anything wrong... the sin did.. the sin that a human gave into the sin. There might be a time in the future to forgive and not be bitter. It's still an open wound here and 'A' has only seemed to be placing salt in the wound instead of trying to heal.

I was hoping to raise more money before I post the reward. My goal is 10K.. or better.. Is that not a good idea? Maybe I can place the amount of $2,000 and then later advise of the growing of the reward and foundation.. maybe ? Just thinking out-loud..

Dark Knight
10-12-2006, 08:12 PM
I think if you were placed in a situation like mine you might question your faith. God did not do anything wrong... the sin did.. the sin that a human gave into the sin. There might be a time in the future to forgive and not be bitter. It's still an open wound here and 'A' has only seemed to be placing salt in the wound instead of trying to heal.

I was hoping to raise more money before I post the reward. My goal is 10K.. or better.. Is that not a good idea? Maybe I can place the amount of $2,000 and then later advise of the growing of the reward and foundation.. maybe ? Just thinking out-loud..
The book of Job is a good source for going thru tough times such as this.

I think you should offer whatever reward you can offer right now and get the media interested, with he timing of it, and say that you hope to raise the reward, and solicit contributions, and let them know you will update them as the reward grows. Do as many interviews as they will give you regarding the case, too. Mention in the press release you are willing to talk about it and give them a contact number. Timing is everything and now is a good time to revisit it, in my opinion.

gardenmom
10-12-2006, 11:20 PM
Hi Rosco,
Yes, I would be bitter too. I cannot imagine the Hell you are in. I can see you want answers and justice, and you deserve both. In one of the articles I read that someone from LE said this was a "very solvable" case. I believe that to be true. I think media attention and the upcoming anniversary may just make some people nervous. Keep in contact with LE too.
I don't remember if I said this yet or not, but I am very sorry for your loss.

BTW, just the fact that your sister has cut off contact with you raises red flags all over the place.

Dark Knight
10-13-2006, 02:15 AM
I was at work DT chicago when I got the call. husband at home with our son. call was from 'X'... I asked to speak to 'A' and was told by 'X" that LE said not to talk to her - she was on medication for the sight she seen.
Would be interesting to find out if LE ever said that, in fact. Doesn't sound like a reason to not speak to her own sister, even if she was on medication (which I wouldn't blame someone for if they saw such a sight, obviously.)

Dark Knight
10-13-2006, 06:05 AM
Hi Rosco,
Yes, I would be bitter too. I cannot imagine the Hell you are in. I can see you want answers and justice, and you deserve both. In one of the articles I read that someone from LE said this was a "very solvable" case. I believe that to be true. I think media attention and the upcoming anniversary may just make some people nervous. Keep in contact with LE too.
I don't remember if I said this yet or not, but I am very sorry for your loss.

BTW, just the fact that your sister has cut off contact with you raises red flags all over the place.
I agree with everything you said in this post!

blaize
10-13-2006, 06:19 AM
Larry Carptenter has not been linked 'yet' to Larry Mack by LE..

LE has not told me there is any connection with Carpenter to 'A' or 'X" or Larry Mack. My assuption was that the two Larry's came from same town of Sturigis also from FLA in jail and same charges/drugs.. both did time in FLA... Just close with information makes me courious if they are connected - but no confirmation from LE that they are connected in anyway...Hello Rosco, I was under the impression from your earlier post that they had been linked & it is odd that two people from the same town in florida now have a connection to a house in the small town of Mongo, Indiana.

Hmm hope LE are looking very closely at these men.

blaize

blaize
10-13-2006, 06:27 AM
Hi Rosco,
Yes, I would be bitter too. I cannot imagine the Hell you are in. I can see you want answers and justice, and you deserve both. In one of the articles I read that someone from LE said this was a "very solvable" case. I believe that to be true. I think media attention and the upcoming anniversary may just make some people nervous. Keep in contact with LE too.
I don't remember if I said this yet or not, but I am very sorry for your loss.

BTW, just the fact that your sister has cut off contact with you raises red flags all over the place.Absolutely stir it up a bit in the media and get people close to home talking about the crime again. Use the media any way that you can to get the news about a reward out, maybe it'll shake a few apples loose from the tree.

blaize

Dark Knight
10-13-2006, 05:51 PM
It's been awfully quiet in here today, lol. :)

Rosco
10-13-2006, 11:06 PM
Hi Rosco,
Yes, I would be bitter too. I cannot imagine the Hell you are in. I can see you want answers and justice, and you deserve both. In one of the articles I read that someone from LE said this was a "very solvable" case. I believe that to be true. I think media attention and the upcoming anniversary may just make some people nervous. Keep in contact with LE too.
I don't remember if I said this yet or not, but I am very sorry for your loss.

BTW, just the fact that your sister has cut off contact with you raises red flags all over the place.
Thank you for your kind words. Having even a stranger's heart and tears thru this computer helps. Thank you.

LE reminds me that case is solvable and i believe that myself.

With 'A' cutting all contact with me/husband/brother since the day we all left.. I just can't understand it. I continue to battle it in my head - that it does not constitute murder - but my gosh... WHY? Why the stranger? Why the 'lack of help' with my efforts...or even a 'hell of a job sis!".. nothing. Even the closest of family would question...and speculate. Red flags... they seem to pop up often.. but as blaize noted that red flags don't always seem the same in ones eye as the other.

Rosco
10-13-2006, 11:13 PM
Hello Rosco, I was under the impression from your earlier post that they had been linked & it is odd that two people from the same town in florida now have a connection to a house in the small town of Mongo, Indiana.

Hmm hope LE are looking very closely at these men.

blaize
LE does not appear to have connection - at least not telling family. I just find it strange myself - and it's my head thinking.. that these two charectors have simliar backrounds and then this carpenter person starts talking about my family's murder - not some breakin or robbery or drug dealing ... and LE states not connected. Could all be the thought of carpenter getting lesser time as what LE said why he was talking - but why talk about a double murder and not have information that is true or close.. would not get away with it if info was bogus..and would just get LE to give you more time then was coming... added time now for false information... that's thinking huh.
I think there is something...

Rosco
10-13-2006, 11:15 PM
It's been awfully quiet in here today, lol. :)
It's been a long day :-)

Rosco
10-13-2006, 11:26 PM
Would be interesting to find out if LE ever said that, in fact. Doesn't sound like a reason to not speak to her own sister, even if she was on medication (which I wouldn't blame someone for if they saw such a sight, obviously.)
since you asked me about the phone call and when/where I found out.. I keep replaying the call I received from 'X' telling me that dad and darleen were dead.. and then he said murdered. He also called my house and husband was not available and received a message that 'X' needed to talk to him. Brother also received a call from 'X'... I believe brother actually connected with a person first and i had left my cell at work.. i was on lunch outside the office. I also tried to call 'X' several times while we drove - asking to speak to 'A' and I was not getting anywhere.

I did not feel any sadness from 'X' the entire time I was at the house... It's my own feelings and i thought that to be very strange - since 'X' was close to family and worked close with Dad... I appreciate everyone has their own feelings and some don't show as other would ... I just found that to be a little cold... I can also state others felt the same - other family members who also seen the same cold feelings.. I was not alone...and I am still not alone..

Dark Knight
10-13-2006, 11:38 PM
Thank you for your kind words. Having even a stranger's heart and tears thru this computer helps. Thank you.

LE reminds me that case is solvable and i believe that myself.

With 'A' cutting all contact with me/husband/brother since the day we all left.. I just can't understand it. I continue to battle it in my head - that it does not constitute murder - but my gosh... WHY? Why the stranger? Why the 'lack of help' with my efforts...or even a 'hell of a job sis!".. nothing. Even the closest of family would question...and speculate. Red flags... they seem to pop up often.. but as blaize noted that red flags don't always seem the same in ones eye as the other.
She was paranoid from the beginning, with her telling the newspaper she was "very nervous" about police not telling her much. You were not told much more, did that make you very nervous as their daughter?

Someone said to me today that she is probably still paranoid and as a result, cannot face the family. Question is, why so paranoid? Does she feel guilty, perhaps? Was she high on drugs that night and now feels guilty about whatever happened? And as a result, cannot face the family? Just playing devils advocate.

gardenmom
10-14-2006, 04:13 PM
She was paranoid from the beginning, with her telling the newspaper she was "very nervous" about police not telling her much. You were not told much more, did that make you very nervous as their daughter?

Someone said to me today that she is probably still paranoid and as a result, cannot face the family. Question is, why so paranoid? Does she feel guilty, perhaps? Was she high on drugs that night and now feels guilty about whatever happened? And as a result, cannot face the family? Just playing devils advocate.
DK, this case has reminded me of the Laci Peterson case in so many ways, but this is a classic example. Remember how Scott avoided Laci's family? They kept trying to get him to talk, and even in the beginning to console him, and he avoided speaking to them. We know it's because he was guilty.

Dark Knight
10-14-2006, 04:28 PM
DK, this case has reminded me of the Laci Peterson case in so many ways, but this is a classic example. Remember how Scott avoided Laci's family? They kept trying to get him to talk, and even in the beginning to console him, and he avoided speaking to them. We know it's because he was guilty.
You're exactly right! It is very similar, especially in that regards.

Dark Knight
10-15-2006, 12:11 AM
I think if you were placed in a situation like mine you might question your faith. God did not do anything wrong... the sin did.. the sin that a human gave into the sin. There might be a time in the future to forgive and not be bitter. It's still an open wound here and 'A' has only seemed to be placing salt in the wound instead of trying to heal.

I was hoping to raise more money before I post the reward. My goal is 10K.. or better.. Is that not a good idea? Maybe I can place the amount of $2,000 and then later advise of the growing of the reward and foundation.. maybe ? Just thinking out-loud..
If you have 5K, why only put up 2k to start?

Dark Knight
10-15-2006, 12:16 AM
I did not feel any sadness from 'X' the entire time I was at the house... It's my own feelings and i thought that to be very strange - since 'X' was close to family and worked close with Dad... I appreciate everyone has their own feelings and some don't show as other would ... I just found that to be a little cold... I can also state others felt the same - other family members who also seen the same cold feelings.. I was not alone...and I am still not alone..
Another parallel to the Scott Peterson case....people also said they didn't see any real sadness from him, either, after his wife disappeared. And we now know why, don't we?

Dark Knight
10-15-2006, 11:47 PM
The one year anniversary of the murders is at the end of this week, iirc. My thoughts and prayers continue to be with you, Rosco, during what will be a difficult time for you and your family emotionally.

BTW - I love the fact your hat on here is from your father's dog that you adopted! That's very cool!

Rosco
10-16-2006, 03:40 PM
She was paranoid from the beginning, with her telling the newspaper she was "very nervous" about police not telling her much. You were not told much more, did that make you very nervous as their daughter?

Someone said to me today that she is probably still paranoid and as a result, cannot face the family. Question is, why so paranoid? Does she feel guilty, perhaps? Was she high on drugs that night and now feels guilty about whatever happened? And as a result, cannot face the family? Just playing devils advocate.
I thought the same thing DK about her being nervous. WHY? I don't know why anyone would feel that after BOTH their parents are murdered. I know it was my father and I sure didn't feel nervous about LE or what they know/don't know.. I was nervous at the thought the person/s were not found and that someone else can get hurt too!!! That was my FIRST thought. I wonder about the 'can't face family' thought too. My support and family here where I live continues to tell me that too - when someone is guilty they can easily walk away and not face it.. and then it's not in their life anymore... BUT guess what - I am going to stir the pot a bit this weekend!!! (WINK)

Rosco
10-16-2006, 03:46 PM
The one year anniversary of the murders is at the end of this week, iirc. My thoughts and prayers continue to be with you, Rosco, during what will be a difficult time for you and your family emotionally.

BTW - I love the fact your hat on here is from your father's dog that you adopted! That's very cool!Thanks DK. Your very kind. It's hard this month... and as the days get closer and also after talking and such... it will bring tons of emotions that I have been trying to bury deep.

Just FYI - billboard is up rt20/rt3.

I know that Rosco would have ended up killed if I did not take him. It's the closest I can be with my Dad...cuz he was selective with 'his' dogs... and I can treasure that - even if it is just a dog... IT"S MY DAD"S DOG.. and now he's mine. He's a handful - BELIEVE ME... a 120lb lap-dog... More so than my toddler!!

Rosco
10-16-2006, 03:47 PM
Another parallel to the Scott Peterson case....people also said they didn't see any real sadness from him, either, after his wife disappeared. And we now know why, don't we?STRANGE!!!!! I never thought but SOO close. Hiding away... not talking ... not in the media.. not in memorial services... not helping with search.. not involved with Foundation...or web-site.
Very very intersting. It took 2 yrs for him to be arrested. I can wait..

Rosco
10-16-2006, 03:52 PM
If you have 5K, why only put up 2k to start?
Yes - thought that too. I'm currently renting the billboard (SR20/RT3) and other expenses that come out of the foundation... But I have access to the funds IF someone would happen to come forward with information and they would be entilted... I could ALWAYS cover the amount... Soo.. I still was thinking maybe 3K.. this way it gives me some funds to still keep billboard going and anything else that I might find helpful. Also web-site cost. BUT if someone is caught and I WON"T need the foundation anymore!!! (PRAYING EVERYDAY!)

gardenmom
10-16-2006, 04:45 PM
Rosco, I am thinking about you this week. It's ONLY been a year, so don't be hard on yourself for grieving. I have a feeling their killers will be caught.

Rosco
10-16-2006, 10:55 PM
Rosco, I am thinking about you this week. It's ONLY been a year, so don't be hard on yourself for grieving. I have a feeling their killers will be caught.Thank you gardenmom. Your a thoughtful person.

I wish sometimes that I can go back to the normal life I had before the murders. How normal everyday issues seemed to be so involved. I think of how I wish them back... how simple and uninvolved normal life is until you deal with the everyday emotional rollercoaster of the thoughts of your family being murdered and the 'possibilities' of how it too place. Nobody should ever go thru grieving due to the hands of another human. Normal life with a family and full-time job with stress and daily chaos - it just so much more to deal with... Understanding that they never had a chance to live life/children/love/grandkids/old age/ until God takes you the way He intends. Makes you sad and angry all at the same time. Hard to explain. Wish I could just throw my arms up and have a tantrum like my 3yr old..

I sometimes dream dad drowned. I can live with that.

gardenmom
10-16-2006, 11:10 PM
Rosco, at the risk of sounding cliche, you should look for a support group of survivors of murdered family members. You will never get over this because it is so senseless, but at least you can talk it out with other people who know what you are going through.

Rosco
10-17-2006, 04:40 PM
I hope this weekend with the possible media attention and billboard up - being all visible for all to see (including) ... maybe something can come about. Planning on a visit. Shall see what happens. I am nervous but also anxious!

blaize
10-17-2006, 04:57 PM
I hope this weekend with the possible media attention and billboard up - being all visible for all to see (including) ... maybe something can come about. Planning on a visit. Shall see what happens. I am nervous but also anxious!Hello Rosco,

Now is an ideal time to get some flyers printed and handed out in the local area asking for information and just keeping the case fresh in people's minds.

blaize

Dark Knight
10-19-2006, 04:06 AM
It sounds like the media is stirring a bit with the 1 year anniversay coming up. Rosco has done a great job helping them along, lol. A reward of $2000 has been offered (and rising.)

Rosco
10-19-2006, 12:56 PM
It sounds like the media is stirring a bit with the 1 year anniversay coming up. Rosco has done a great job helping them along, lol. A reward of $2000 has been offered (and rising.)
I am looking forward to this weekend DK.. Hands are a bit clammy but will get over it. Had some nice calls from friends that have seen the billboard. I think that billboard and media will really make something happen this weekend. I will visit the board myself and take a pic. Very emotional these past few days. Keeping it together tho!

Dark Knight
10-19-2006, 01:17 PM
I am looking forward to this weekend DK.. Hands are a bit clammy but will get over it. Had some nice calls from friends that have seen the billboard. I think that billboard and media will really make something happen this weekend. I will visit the board myself and take a pic. Very emotional these past few days. Keeping it together tho!
I'm praying for you during these difficult times. Hang in there!

Rosco
10-19-2006, 04:19 PM
I'm praying for you during these difficult times. Hang in there!Thanks DK. You lift my soul. Truly.:angel:

Dark Knight
10-19-2006, 04:21 PM
Thanks DK. You lift my soul. Truly.:angel:
Well praise God for that! :blowkiss: Glad to help!

Rosco
10-19-2006, 11:12 PM
Hello Rosco,

Now is an ideal time to get some flyers printed and handed out in the local area asking for information and just keeping the case fresh in people's minds.

blaize
Better yet... how about an interview with SBN Crime Stoppers - in front of the billboard. Yes... that might happen this weekend. GREAT!

gardenmom
10-19-2006, 11:17 PM
Better yet... how about an interview with SBN Crime Stoppers - in front of the billboard. Yes... that might happen this weekend. GREAT!
I can tell you are hyped up for this. You go girl! Stir up the pot and let the chips fly where they will. (I am full of old cliches tonight!)

Rosco
10-20-2006, 08:14 AM
I can tell you are hyped up for this. You go girl! Stir up the pot and let the chips fly where they will. (I am full of old cliches tonight!)
You got it! Let the chips fly. Thanks for the pep talk. I am hyped up but still very very nervous. Of course, not sure what to expect or who I will see.

gardenmom
10-20-2006, 09:01 AM
You got it! Let the chips fly. Thanks for the pep talk. I am hyped up but still very very nervous. Of course, not sure what to expect or who I will see.
Be safe too, the killer (s) is/are still out there somewhere.

blaize
10-23-2006, 03:03 AM
Better yet... how about an interview with SBN Crime Stoppers - in front of the billboard. Yes... that might happen this weekend. GREAT!Good luck Rosco, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you.


Keep the flyer idea in mind though too just in case you need to kindle interest again in the next few weeks. The main thing is to keep this in the public mind & sooner or later the final pieces of the jigsaw will fall into place.

blaize

gardenmom
10-23-2006, 08:02 AM
So, tell us how it went!

Rosco
10-23-2006, 10:57 PM
So, tell us how it went!
Fantastic. Front page twice - sat and sun. We were shocked at how much coverage was offered. Went into this mission to try and get a few words in a newpaper..and we went out with live coverage and front page pic's on both days too!!!! Came on right after the WINNING ND game. Perfect time I thought.
Billboard looks great. LE expressed their possitive thoughts on the billboard. It was nice to hear that.

I was dissapointed that there were no headstones yet on the graves (crying). I heard that it can take a year to be permitted for headstones? I was also told one was already ordered. We were supposed to have been involved in the picture that was going to be etched on the face..Maybe I can look into that? I did not hear from family members. nobody. That bothers me. Can't understand ANY reason ANYONE would have just simply picked up their phone and called me. Tell me that they would support my cause. Support the caputure of the person/s who murdered my dad and darleen. I don't want their money..if that is the only reason for their silence. I just don't get it. Fear? Because the person/s have not been captured? Should be MORE the reason to try and help LE thru any tool allowed.

It really hurts my heart to feel alone. Even thru all this coverage... I feel so alone with this mission. Hard to explain I guess. Hard weekend.

Did receive possitive feedback thru locals and neighbors there about media coverage and billboard. We made sure to visit areas and 'show face around'. Talk seems to be the same. Not much variation. Neighbors are scared. Packing heat. Don't blame them - I do too and I am hours away. We are called the 'family that cares' and not the 'other family'.

blaize
10-23-2006, 11:06 PM
Fantastic. Front page twice - sat and sun. We were shocked at how much coverage was offered. Went into this mission to try and get a few words in a newpaper..and we went out with live coverage and front page pic's on both days too!!!! Came on right after the WINNING ND game. Perfect time I thought.
Billboard looks great. LE expressed their possitive thoughts on the billboard. It was nice to hear that. <snipped>Great outcome to the media mission Rosco, definitely a huge benefit to have the spot on just after the game, I bet there was a huge viewer audience.

blaize

gardenmom
10-24-2006, 07:49 AM
I did not hear from family members. nobody. That bothers me. Can't understand ANY reason ANYONE would have just simply picked up their phone and called me. Tell me that they would support my cause. Support the caputure of the person/s who murdered my dad and darleen. I don't want their money..if that is the only reason for their silence. I just don't get it. Fear? Because the person/s have not been captured? Should be MORE the reason to try and help LE thru any tool allowed.

It really hurts my heart to feel alone. Even thru all this coverage... I feel so alone with this mission. Hard to explain I guess. Hard weekend.

.

Glad it went well. Can you remind me again of what family members are left besides your half sister and your brother? I find it extremely odd that no one contacted you. Although, did you try to contact them first? Let them know you were going to be in town over the weekend? Did you try to go to the house at all? I think if I were you I would mention to LE that no one in your family talked to you while you were there. That just confirms the red flags you have been feeling.

Rosco
10-24-2006, 01:47 PM
Great outcome to the media mission Rosco, definitely a huge benefit to have the spot on just after the game, I bet there was a huge viewer audience.

blaize
It was a great outcome. Thanks for the pep talks and giving me the courage to go. Hoping the foundation will grow and I can continue to tell the public of an increase in the reward. Received plenty of great feelings thru friends and even strangers who we ran into.

Rosco
10-24-2006, 02:00 PM
Glad it went well. Can you remind me again of what family members are left besides your half sister and your brother? I find it extremely odd that no one contacted you. Although, did you try to contact them first? Let them know you were going to be in town over the weekend? Did you try to go to the house at all? I think if I were you I would mention to LE that no one in your family talked to you while you were there. That just confirms the red flags you have been feeling.
It's myself and brother (same parents) Half brother from second marriage. I never knew him until the murders. LE is not looking at this person. And then 'A' (same parents). Dad had one brother and two sisters and Darleen has two brothers. NOBODY has called me or emailed me OR even said WOW.. nothing..

I did email LE regarding the lack of support from everyone in family. I can understand the brothers and sisters of both sides. I was never close to any of them - so I can see the lack of interest. But 'A" was/is not a stranger and we were close family. Still - this was a double murder... can't imagine why no family would even just drop me a line to say thanks for the help for trying to find out who killed my brother/sister/FATHER and MOTHER.... NOTHING..

I have tried to contact family for months. I have send/mailed/emailed flyers and web-site information to every possible family member. I have NEVER been called nor sent a letter or NOTHING on anything I have done for this past year. I DID NOT call anyone this weekend. Actually this might sound harsh -but I am not going to continue to BEG for someone to call me about the mission I/we are on. I think the letters and flyers and umpteen emails I have sent out to family (my dad's two sisters and one brother - and Darleen's two brothers - AND 'A'...) I told family that they should contact 'A' and find out if she was going to have a memorial service for her PARENTS... as I was not going to ALSO plan that event. I decided in the beginging of the last week to go to the graves and see billboard. I really had NO plans on going.. but thought better to try and promote.

I will not go to the house. I won't even go down the road. There are too many strangers who wonder in/out of that property that I do not have any reasons to go there when I am not welcome. I was told to 'piss-off' and that my flyers and letters about benefits/billboards and web-sites are not welcome (per 'A' and a letter she wrote me in Sept) to the addresses - and that nobody cares about the foundation.

How should I feel??? Would any of you continue to call and mail information to anyone if you receive NO reply.. and if and when you do - it's completly negative.

gardenmom
10-24-2006, 02:09 PM
Honestly, Rosco, I would feel the same way. I hope I didn't offend you by asking if you had tried to contact them. I just wanted to see what the situation was. You are doing everything you can to make sure people don't forget about this. If it means paying a visit every year on the anniversary, then that is what you should do. I just hope it doesn't take that long for justice. It seems to me like LE has a suspect or suspects. They just need someone to crack. The higher the reward and the more media, the better chances of that happening, IMO.

PS I know it's easier said than done, but don't forget to take care of yourself and your own family. :blowkiss:

Rosco
10-24-2006, 03:15 PM
Honestly, Rosco, I would feel the same way. I hope I didn't offend you by asking if you had tried to contact them. I just wanted to see what the situation was. You are doing everything you can to make sure people don't forget about this. If it means paying a visit every year on the anniversary, then that is what you should do. I just hope it doesn't take that long for justice. It seems to me like LE has a suspect or suspects. They just need someone to crack. The higher the reward and the more media, the better chances of that happening, IMO.

PS I know it's easier said than done, but don't forget to take care of yourself and your own family. :blowkiss:
Thanks for being honest. ;)

I am not offended - not at all. I understand - just checking on how and what happend. Just burns me - you know. With the lack of family help. Yes.. planning on every year to visit and maybe get the same coverage. Billboard will probably only be up for a few months and then possibly up again around the 2nd anniversary - MAYBE there won't be a second anniversary and then next time I go would be for a trial (praying). That would be THE BOMB! I was given more support for total strangers than I had from my own flesh/blood. I'm glad that I am not the only person who would feel hurt by the lack of attention.

Your a sweet person gardenmom. I was not offended.

Did anyone get a chance to read/listen to the TV coverage on WANE.COM and WSBT.COM?

Dark Knight
10-26-2006, 04:43 AM
From the front page of the Herald-Republican newspaper in Angola, Indiana:

Mongo murders: One year later
By MATT GETTS
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MONGO - A year later, and the effects can still be felt.

Terry Anderson, 59, and Darleen Anderson, 57, were found murdered on their property in the 6000 block of C.R. 250N in rural Mongo on Oct. 21, 2005. Darleen Anderson's body was found in the house, and Terry Anderson's was later found in an outbuilding. The victims died of “blunt force trauma,” according to LaGrange County Coroner Bruce Coney.

Police have not disclosed the weapon that was used to kill the Andersons, or whether the weapon has been recovered.

Their murders are still unsolved, and the case remains an open wound for many involved.

Jim Codling, owner of the Mongo Tavern, now locks the doors of his house at night. Codling also has purchased a dog to protect his family when he's away.

Terry Anderson's daughter, Sherry Musilek, and her husband, Erik, have created a Web site and foundation with the hopes of finding the killer.

For LaGrange County Sheriff Greg Dhaene and the lead investigator in the case, Detective Tad Oakley, the murders are never far from their minds.

“You are constantly preoccupied, even in your off time,” Dhaene said.

The investigation

It has been two months since anyone has called in with any new tips in the murders, Dhaene said Tuesday, but the investigation remains far from closed.

“I am still hopeful there will be an arrest,” he said.

“We are still encouraging anyone in the community who has information to contact us, contact Crime Stoppers,” Dhaene said.

Detectives continue to follow leads in the case, checking and re-checking information.

During the past 12 months, suspects have been looked at from areas including Michigan, Ohio and Florida. Investigators have gone back 30 years into Terry Anderson's life, looking for clues.

The Behavioral Analysis Unit of the Federal Bureau of Investigation has been consulted, and the Mongo murders are now in the bureau's national database. Any similar crime will be compared to the Mongo case by the FBI, with information shared with LaGrange County officials.

A dozen investigators have logged thousands of hours pursuing leads in the case.

“It has been a widespread, wide-reaching investigation,” Dhaene said.

Dhaene declined to comment on the status of the case.

“I don't want to do or say anything that would hinder the course of the investigation,” he said. “We just don't want to take the chance of doing anything that would compromise (the case).”

But the 28-year law enforcement veteran said the last 12 months have been anything but easy.

“This has been the single-most difficult case I have been involved in,” Dhaene said.

The sheriff cited the serious nature of the crime, the number of potential participants and lack of cooperation from many witnesses.

On Oct. 3, Larry Lee Carpenter, 51, of West Palm Beach, Fla., and formerly of Sturgis, Mich., was sentenced in LaGrange Circuit Court to 150 days in prison and a $100 fine plus court costs on a count of false informing.

Carpenter's sentence will be served after he completes his current term on a drug charge.

Carpenter allegedly provided numerous false, misleading and contradictory statements to sheriff's department and Indiana State Police detectives investigating the murders.

Unfortunately, according to Dhaene, Carpenter's falsehoods have been the rule rather than the exception in this case.

“That's been indicative of some of how this investigation has gone,” Dhaene said. “A number of people Š have intentionally lied and deceived.

“That's what we've faced since almost day one in this case.”

The deceptions have forced investigators into wasting time on these false leads, backtracking on interviews and having to re-check statements for accuracy.

In many instances, investigators have been stymied about why the person lied in the first place.

Dhaene said these lies have “slowed and hindered” the investigation.

Oakley said the department has several theories on the case, but declined to mention any of them specifically.

Remembering

the Andersons

A billboard stands at the intersection of U.S. 20 and S.R. 3, south of Mongo. It asks anyone with information regarding the murders of Terry and Darleen Anderson to contact authorities. The billboard was paid for by the Terry and Darleen Foundation.

According to the foundation's Web site, www.terryanddarleen.com (http://www.terryanddarleen.com/), “The goal of the foundation is to establish a monetary fund that will be used to help the communities that were home to Terry and Darleen. A portion of the fund will be set aside to be used as a reward for information leading the arrest and conviction of those involved.”

The Terry and Darleen Anderson Foundation is headquartered in Crestwood, Ill., and is managed by Terry's daughter, Sherry Musilek.

Sherry's husband, Eric Musilek, started the foundation.

“(Terry) was my hunting buddy. He was my fishing buddy. We were pretty tight,” said Eric Musilek.

A fundraiser for the foundation in the Chicagoland area raised $1,500. Eric Musilek said he looks forward to handing the reward money to whoever provides information leading to the arrest of the killer or killers.

“They did not deserve this,” he said.

The Web site is filled with pictures and stories about the Andersons, recollections of a man and woman loved by many. Included are photos and pictures of Terry Anderson muskie fishing, and stories of Darleen's shopping habit.

Terry Anderson was a familiar figure at the Mongo Tavern. He'd come in two or three times a week for a soda and a mushroom and swiss burger.

“He was a nice guy,” Codling said.

A changed Mongo?

One year ago, Mongo was shaken with the news that Terry and Darleen Anderson had been murdered at their home.

“Everybody tends to become complacent,” Codling said. “That (stuff) doesn't happen around here.”

While Codling said people in general have become more cautious since the murders, Mongo is still Mongo.

“Everybody (still) talks about it,” Codling said. “But it hasn't changed the town. It's hard to change a town like this.”

Dark Knight
10-26-2006, 04:45 AM
From wane.com, Newschannel 15, Ft. Wayne, IN:

1 Yr. Later, Mongo Murder Remains Unsolved

(Mongo - WANE) A billboard in LaGrange County has people talking, again, about a double murder that happened a year ago in Mongo, Indiana, and still remains unsolved. It's a new tool that might help crack the case.

Drive down State Road Three and you'll find two faces smiling. They are Terry and Darleen Anderson, who were brutally beaten to death a year ago. Still, their murderer remains a mystery.

"The billboard, I put up because I just don't want it to be a cold case," said Terry's daughter and Darleen's stepdaughter. "I want people to visit the website and visit often."

The family said they will never forget Terry and Darleen, but they don't want other people to either. That's why they put up a bill board, created a website, and are offering a $2,000 reward, all in hopes of finding the killer.

"I can't bring my dad back. I wish I could. That's what hurts the most, but I can at least try to find out who did it and let them pay for what they did," said Musilek.

Up only a week, people are already taking notice.

"I've heard a few people talking about it," said family friend Tom Christian. "A lot of people think these people are still out there, whoever did it. Are they going to come to my home? It's a thought all the time."

Even though no one has been arrested for the murders, family and friends said they believe police are still making the crime a priority.

"I'm hoping they are very diligent on it and I believe they are. I truly believe it," said Musilek.

"I think they're doing all they can," said Christian.

Still, loved ones vow another year will not pass without closure to the case. They are asking anyone with information to go to the police.

"If you know anything, any little thing that is not revelant, call the Sheriff and tell them. It may make sense to them. So, something you think is not important may be the key to open that door," said Musilek.

An officer with the LaGrange County Sheriff's Department said they are still actively working on the case and that lead continue to come in.

If you have any tips, call Crimestoppers at 1-800-342-7867.

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Dark Knight
10-26-2006, 04:47 AM
LaGrange County Murder Remains Unsolved One Year Later

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http://media.wsbt.com/images/DoubleMurder_WSBT1.jpg (WSBT)Family members search for answers a year after the brutal murder of a LaGrange County couple. Terry and Darleen Anderson were beaten to death inside their home in Mongo in LaGrange County last October.

Now family members are offering a reward, posted a billboard and have launched a website to help police solve this crime.

"My goal is just to try and find out who did it," said Sherry Musilek, an Anderson. "That's my goal. and if it's websites, if it's billboards, if it's talking to the media. if it's sending any email, i can do anyone who will listen. "

There was a brief glimmer of hope for the family, when an inmate at the LaGrange County Jail said he knew who killed the Andersons, but it turned out to be a lie. The Lagrange County Sheriff's Department says if you have any information call them or the State Police, or Crimestoppers.


For more information, visit http:www.terryanddarleen.com (http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/www.terryanddarleen.com).


http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/4449601.html (http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/4449601.html)

Dark Knight
10-26-2006, 04:49 AM
From the Ft. Wayne, IN, Journal-Gazette:


MONGO – On Oct. 3, for the second time in nearly a year, dozens of people made their way on to the property of Terry and Darleen Anderson.

But instead of police detectives, this time they were bidders, hoping to buy what was left of the couple’s estate.

“It’s like being at another funeral, being at this auction,” said Tom Christian of Stroh, Terry Anderson’s friend of 35 years.

The Andersons were found beaten to death a year ago today at their home in the 6200 block of East County Road 250 North, Mongo. They had been killed between 8 p.m. Oct. 20, 2005, and 7:21 a.m. Oct. 21, police said.

No suspects have been named in the deaths.

Terry Anderson’s fishing gear was a main attraction at the auction, but Christian wasn’t sure he felt right about bidding on any of it, even as a keepsake.

“It ain’t even been a year,” he said. “It’s sad.”

The case has gripped the LaGrange County town of about 250 residents, said John McNeal, another longtime friend and fishing pal of Terry Anderson.

“In a community like this, you know everybody,” McNeal said. “They were really nice people, and giving people.”

The homicide investigation is still active, but no new leads have been reported in the past couple of months, something that’s not unusual as cases stretch on, LaGrange County Sheriff Greg Dhaene said.

“We will continue to look at all leads,” Dhaene said. “Somebody out there knows something about this case.”

The only charges filed in the case have been against 51-year-old Larry Lee Carpenter of West Palm Beach, Fla., and formerly of Sturgis, Mich. Carpenter faces a misdemeanor count of false informing for giving detectives misleading, false and contradictory information in several interviews.

Police believe Carpenter was looking for a way to better his situation when faced with an unrelated drug charge and thought giving information on the slayings would accomplish that, LaGrange County Prosecutor Jeff Wible said.

Carpenter’s false statements wasted investigators’ time, Dhaene said.

“It definitely slowed us down,” he said.

The news of Carpenter’s arrest in September was hard for the couple’s surviving family to hear, Sherry Musilek, Terry Anderson’s daughter, said Friday.

The idea of someone impeding the investigation is “sickening,” she said.

“It’s like you’re working on people’s miseries by doing that,” she said.

Musilek, her husband, Eric, and 3-year-old son, Nicholas, came to Mongo on Friday to visit the Andersons’ grave sites and see a billboard they rented near the intersection of Indiana 3 and U.S. 20.

“Who killed Terry and Darleen Anderson?” the billboard asks.

The question has haunted Musilek for a year.

“I’ve got to find out what happened,” she said.

The Musileks have actively campaigned to keep the case in the public eye. In April, a reading with a psychic took place, and a tape recording of the reading was delivered to investigators.

In June, the Webster Lake Musky Club, one of Terry Anderson’s hobbies, dedicated its annual Iron Man Outing to Anderson and donated proceeds to the Musileks to be used for reward money and to hire a private investigator.

“It’s just very humbling,” Sherry Musilek said.

The family hopes any publicity will stir up new leads.

Sherry Musilek grew up in Chicago. Her mother and Terry Anderson had divorced when Sherry was 4 years old, and she didn’t know her father growing up.

At 18, she and her older brother decided to find him, and he was a part of their lives ever since, she said.

Her brother Rick Kwiek of California has decided since the homicides to change his last name to Anderson, along with his wife and four children.

They like to think that would have made Terry and Darleen proud, Sherry Musilek said.

amapes@jg.net (amapes@jg.net)

Can you help?
•Anyone with information about the double homicide of Terry and Darleen Anderson is asked to call the LaGrange County Sheriff’s Department at 260-463-7491, Indiana State Police at 260-432-8661 or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-342-7867



http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/news/15815600.htm (http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/news/15815600.htm)

gardenmom
10-26-2006, 07:47 AM
I found this very interesting from one of the articles DarkKnight posted. I wonder who he is referring to about not being cooperative. Makes me wonder about A and Co. It sounds like they have a pretty good idea who did it, but they do not have anything concrete to support it.


Dhaene declined to comment on the status of the case.

“I don't want to do or say anything that would hinder the course of the investigation,” he said. “We just don't want to take the chance of doing anything that would compromise (the case).”

But the 28-year law enforcement veteran said the last 12 months have been anything but easy.

“This has been the single-most difficult case I have been involved in,” Dhaene said.

The sheriff cited the serious nature of the crime, the number of potential participants and lack of cooperation from many witnesses.

On Oct. 3, Larry Lee Carpenter, 51, of West Palm Beach, Fla., and formerly of Sturgis, Mich., was sentenced in LaGrange Circuit Court to 150 days in prison and a $100 fine plus court costs on a count of false informing.

Carpenter's sentence will be served after he completes his current term on a drug charge.

Carpenter allegedly provided numerous false, misleading and contradictory statements to sheriff's department and Indiana State Police detectives investigating the murders.

Unfortunately, according to Dhaene, Carpenter's falsehoods have been the rule rather than the exception in this case.

“That's been indicative of some of how this investigation has gone,” Dhaene said. “A number of people Š have intentionally lied and deceived.

“That's what we've faced since almost day one in this case.”

The deceptions have forced investigators into wasting time on these false leads, backtracking on interviews and having to re-check statements for accuracy.

In many instances, investigators have been stymied about why the person lied in the first place.

Dhaene said these lies have “slowed and hindered” the investigation.

Dark Knight
10-26-2006, 05:26 PM
I found this very interesting from one of the articles DarkKnight posted. I wonder who he is referring to about not being cooperative. Makes me wonder about A and Co. It sounds like they have a pretty good idea who did it, but they do not have anything concrete to support it.
I think they have a pretty good idea about who did this. Why they haven't been more aggressive, I don't know. Sometimes releasing more information can be an asset as someone in the public might hear it and remembers something. The best thing they can do, in my opinion, is try to make the perps nervous but making them think they are closing in on the killers. Just maybe one would start talking ahead of time to avoid the DP and turn on the other one.

Rosco
10-26-2006, 05:40 PM
I think they have a pretty good idea about who did this. Why they haven't been more aggressive, I don't know. Sometimes releasing more information can be an asset as someone in the public might hear it and remembers something. The best thing they can do, in my opinion, is try to make the perps nervous but making them think they are closing in on the killers. Just maybe one would start talking ahead of time to avoid the DP and turn on the other one.I have to agree DK. I feel LE knows - but can't prove it. I have seen cases based on motive w/o evidence.. Hard case to pin on someone without 'the smoking gun'. Maybe LE knows and realizes that their thoughts of person/s who killed them are not going anywhere..meaning.. they are not worried about flight and they are just waiting for right timing w/ evidence to cover themselves. I would think that LE would put a lot of heat on the person/s they feel murdered them - make the perp/s conflict their stories... catch them with a lie or two. Don't know LE's motive or movement. I think LE is on the right track tho...

Still thought i would have at least gotten a call from family members regarding the TV coverage and newspapers. Really bothers me about that.

Dark Knight
10-27-2006, 09:13 AM
Well, since "A" and "X" are now broken up, maybe one will turn on the other, if enough pressure is applied.

Anyone have any ideas what might shake someone up enough to get them to talk? "A" seems quite paranoid, so she might be the easiest. We need to rattle the murderers chains a bit, I think, whomever they may be. Maybe get them thinking that LE is close to solving the case?

Any ideas?

Dark Knight
10-28-2006, 06:09 PM
Well, since "A" and "X" are now broken up, maybe one will turn on the other, if enough pressure is applied.

Anyone have any ideas what might shake someone up enough to get them to talk? "A" seems quite paranoid, so she might be the easiest. We need to rattle the murderers chains a bit, I think, whomever they may be. Maybe get them thinking that LE is close to solving the case?

Any ideas?
Anyone....anyone....anyone?

mfmangel1
10-30-2006, 12:16 AM
Anyone....anyone....anyone?
Just a thought....Perhaps mentioning that LE knows who did it, but they know several people were involved. LE would like the less culpable party to come forward BEFORE any arrests are made so that a possible deal may be offered to that person in exchange for testimony. Once arrests are made, LE isn't sure they can offer any deals. As I said, just a thought.

Dark Knight
10-30-2006, 01:24 AM
Just a thought....Perhaps mentioning that LE knows who did it, but they know several people were involved. LE would like the less culpable party to come forward BEFORE any arrests are made so that a possible deal may be offered to that person in exchange for testimony. Once arrests are made, LE isn't sure they can offer any deals. As I said, just a thought.
That's a neat idea! Thanks for thinking of it! Anything that makes the suspects feel they are closer to being arrested would be a good thing, I think.

Rosco
10-30-2006, 11:58 AM
That's a neat idea! Thanks for thinking of it! Anything that makes the suspects feel they are closer to being arrested would be a good thing, I think.
Was thinking about hiring PI? Family and I are pondering the thought as to maybe will get perps to think/worry? Check on a few things. Problem being - money. Everything costs and I/we have been suprised that billboard/TV coverage/newspapers did not/have not (yet) generated any new funds to the Foundation. We/husband has been incontact with an operation in FTW and thoughts were to meet up (free consultation) and see how this/they might/can help. Any thoughts on that? ANYONE? Husband feels it's a thought and I have a problem with $$$ leaving the foundation and not really getting anything done. BUT.. it just might start that worrying issue we are all talking about - making perps feel like were getting closer.??? PI said that they might be able to get the billboard rental for nothing.. If that's the case I think the rental money I already thought would be spent can go to PI for a while and see what they can do??? Maybe rattle some cages. Think LE would have problem? Make LE mad for family to hire PI? One thing I do not want to do is get in the way of PI - but I also need to have some questions I have answered - for sake of sanity within my self. Not just the who killed my dad and darleen - some other questions I have had since this whole mess.
Thoughts?

blaize
10-30-2006, 12:29 PM
Was thinking about hiring PI? Family and I are pondering the thought as to maybe will get perps to think/worry? Check on a few things. Problem being - money. Everything costs and I/we have been suprised that billboard/TV coverage/newspapers did not/have not (yet) generated any new funds to the Foundation. We/husband has been incontact with an operation in FTW and thoughts were to meet up (free consultation) and see how this/they might/can help. Any thoughts on that? ANYONE? Husband feels it's a thought and I have a problem with $$$ leaving the foundation and not really getting anything done. BUT.. it just might start that worrying issue we are all talking about - making perps feel like were getting closer.??? PI said that they might be able to get the billboard rental for nothing.. If that's the case I think the rental money I already thought would be spent can go to PI for a while and see what they can do??? Maybe rattle some cages. Think LE would have problem? Make LE mad for family to hire PI? One thing I do not want to do is get in the way of PI - but I also need to have some questions I have answered - for sake of sanity within my self. Not just the who killed my dad and darleen - some other questions I have had since this whole mess.
Thoughts?Hello Rosco, hiring a PI is a risky business because it will be a money drain with no guarantee of a return.

The thing is you want do more than worry the guilty parties by keeping the information out there about Terry & Darleen. Wherever the guilty parties are they should be faced with a poster, a flyer or some other remembrance of the victims.

Specifically there should be posters in any local bars & pool halls and anywhere else that they're likey to hang out. It might be a better use of funds to pay for 30 second spots on radio or tv.

Talk to the LE officer dealing with the case and see what they think.

blaize

Rosco
10-30-2006, 01:09 PM
Hello Rosco, hiring a PI is a risky business because it will be a money drain with no guarantee of a return.

The thing is you want do more than worry the guilty parties by keeping the information out there about Terry & Darleen. Wherever the guilty parties are they should be faced with a poster, a flyer or some other remembrance of the victims.

Specifically there should be posters in any local bars & pool halls and anywhere else that they're likey to hang out. It might be a better use of funds to pay for 30 second spots on radio or tv.

Talk to the LE officer dealing with the case and see what they think.

blaize
Thanks for your thoughts blaize.

I've have posted flyers and and posters all over already. Been doing that ever since murders. All over the Mongo/Sturgis/Angola areas. Billboard is another means of my efforts for public to stay aware. I've even been on TV and radio and front page newspapers. Just thought that it would have generated more attention to the Foundation. Nothing yet.

Just think that maybe another type of area to search. I understand that it might be a waste of money.. but it also might start people to worry? Does not appear that my flyers, posters, billboard or coverage really has generated anything.. Still a bit early as it was only last weekend.. but I just thought I would have received something for the foundation and/or call/email regarding the efforts and/or raise foundation.. and I didn't receive anything.

Still pondering the thought.

blaize
10-30-2006, 03:24 PM
Thanks for your thoughts blaize.

I've have posted flyers and and posters all over already. Been doing that ever since murders. All over the Mongo/Sturgis/Angola areas. Billboard is another means of my efforts for public to stay aware. I've even been on TV and radio and front page newspapers. Just thought that it would have generated more attention to the Foundation. Nothing yet.

Just think that maybe another type of area to search. I understand that it might be a waste of money.. but it also might start people to worry? Does not appear that my flyers, posters, billboard or coverage really has generated anything.. Still a bit early as it was only last weekend.. but I just thought I would have received something for the foundation and/or call/email regarding the efforts and/or raise foundation.. and I didn't receive anything.

Still pondering the thought.You may need to be patient regarding people coming forward and finding their way to the foundation. You'll never really know if the publicity works unless someone actually contacts LE with info and you won't know that unless LE tells you.

You might consider auctioning a few items on ebay to generate some money for the foundation or having a garage sale or a bake sale.

Garage & bake sales are very local but do give people a chance to connect with you personally as the face of the foundation and make some $$ for the foundation too. Anyway just a few thoughts.

blaize

Rosco
10-30-2006, 05:40 PM
You may need to be patient regarding people coming forward and finding their way to the foundation. You'll never really know if the publicity works unless someone actually contacts LE with info and you won't know that unless LE tells you.

You might consider auctioning a few items on ebay to generate some money for the foundation or having a garage sale or a bake sale.

Garage & bake sales are very local but do give people a chance to connect with you personally as the face of the foundation and make some $$ for the foundation too. Anyway just a few thoughts.

blaize
Yea being patient... have to have plenty of that 'schtuff' to deal with this.

I/we had the Iron Man Musky outing in June that generated funds and just Sept I had a benefit by my place - that generate more. That was how I was able to actually rent the billboard and have the 2,000 reward.

Yea - need to generate more money (raise). Have not Ebay yet... not sure how to do that...but maybe I can do something else that won't be so much of my personal time. The benefit I/we had this past Sept was just so much work...and I work full-time and have a family to take care of after work...so it really took all of my personal time on weekends and evenings.. It was very hard work planning and preparing - but totally worth it once it was finished ...cuz it generated a lot of funds for the foundation.

I'll have to think of something 'creative' to raise more for the foundation. Also.. maybe wait and see what might happen - see if something does generate from the billboard or site.

I am up for any other ideas!

Dark Knight
11-02-2006, 04:53 PM
***bumping***

Dark Knight
11-13-2006, 05:04 PM
It sounds like some of the publicity might be paying off. Please pray so!

Also, "A" is now pregnant. And she should be getting her parents house back since the renter is leaving.

Things might be getting interesting....

gardenmom
11-13-2006, 07:54 PM
Is there anything specific you can share with us Dark Knight? You can PM me if you don't want it public.

Dark Knight
11-14-2006, 02:15 AM
Is there anything specific you can share with us Dark Knight? You can PM me if you don't want it public.
LE is being very tight lipped. So no specifics, really. But some leads are reportedly being generated, at least.

Rosco
11-14-2006, 01:21 PM
LE is being very tight lipped. So no specifics, really. But some leads are reportedly being generated, at least.It's possible due to 'A' being PG that it might cause loose lips and maybe angry feelings with 'X'. I think the moving back into the house is a big thing... since there has been ill feelings with 'A' and the tenant - who remember is/was one of 'X's close and personal friends. Still can't understand how/why someone would move into the home 3 weeks after a double murder took place AND moving into the home of the parents of your "really good friend's" and one was beaten in that same living room - you know where you watch TV.... unless not in fear. But some humans are really cold souls and no heart...

It would totally bother everyone and anyone I know in my lifetime.

The billboard is generating some emails from friends of Dad and Darleen - just wanting to say sorry for loss and they/all still pray for closure. It's not generating any funds for foundation - but maybe in time.

Hard time this month. Every Nov is opening deer season and always has been a holiday for me and dad. Would save vacation time and spend the opening day and celebrate thanksgiving with everyone while we were visting.
REALLY SUCKS....

Dark Knight
11-15-2006, 05:08 AM
It's possible due to 'A' being PG that it might cause loose lips and maybe angry feelings with 'X'. I think the moving back into the house is a big thing... since there has been ill feelings with 'A' and the tenant - who remember is/was one of 'X's close and personal friends. Still can't understand how/why someone would move into the home 3 weeks after a double murder took place AND moving into the home of the parents of your "really good friend's" and one was beaten in that same living room - you know where you watch TV.... unless not in fear. But some humans are really cold souls and no heart...

It would totally bother everyone and anyone I know in my lifetime.

The billboard is generating some emails from friends of Dad and Darleen - just wanting to say sorry for loss and they/all still pray for closure. It's not generating any funds for foundation - but maybe in time.

Hard time this month. Every Nov is opening deer season and always has been a holiday for me and dad. Would save vacation time and spend the opening day and celebrate thanksgiving with everyone while we were visting.
REALLY SUCKS....
How long has "A" been pregnant? Any idea who the dad is?

Rosco
11-15-2006, 11:46 AM
How long has "A" been pregnant? Any idea who the dad is?
I was told in Oct she was 5 months into PG. I don't know who father might be. Assuming it's the new person in 'A's life. They live together on the property of the house. Soon to be moving into the house once renter is gone.

Dark Knight
11-28-2006, 06:06 AM
*bumping*

Rosco
12-14-2006, 11:36 AM
Happy 61st Birthday Dad.

I celebrated my 40th last week Dad. I blew out my candles and wished for closure. I know you already knew that - but I thought I would just say it. It was not really anything special without you Daddy. Wish I could share with you and to give you a hug. I can smell the Old Spice cologne you always wore lingering around me as I type. You know we always shared our birthday month together and my heart is heavy with tears of remembering past years. Watched a video the other day of one of our many visits to your house. Took me 13 1/2 months to do it. It was hard to watch you talking, riding the 4x4, splitting wood and SO ALIVE!. I watched it on my birthday. It hurt.


Wish you would have drowned or fell from a tree. I would be able to have peace in my heart today.

I miss you terribly every day.
All my love.
Your #1 Daughter.

Dark Knight
12-20-2006, 07:52 AM
Well, well, look who is posting online:

http://rss.topix.net/forum/city/lagrange-in/T4JF661MSE95QGA40#lastPost

blaize
12-20-2006, 11:39 AM
Well, well, look who is posting online:

http://rss.topix.net/forum/city/lagrange-in/T4JF661MSE95QGA40#lastPostInteresting.
(Source (http://rss.topix.net/forum/city/lagrange-in/T4JF661MSE95QGA40#lastPost))
From A's first post


I am Terry and Darleen's youngest daughter. I am the one who had to discover the hossific, unhuman, aftermath of what the killer or killers left behind in the very home that I grew up in my entire life. Words cannot describe the image that is forever imprinted in my memory of the sight of my mother, to whom I was very close to dead, severely massacured on our living room couch. I want answers... Why, who, and how?! Every day of my life I am in undescribeable pain over the loss of my dear parents. I miss them so much that sometimes its hard for me to even desire to be alive, but I know that they would only want the best for me, so I push on... I am in constant fear every day that maybe the killers or killer might even come back for me and my loved ones. I no longer have the privelige of living with the warmth that the feeling of safety brings to a person. Only the fear and pain remain. There are so many mysteries revolving around this event that it makes me physically sick. To top it off, not a single question has been answered. I prey to God that this mystery will someday be solved. I want justice for my parents. Whoever could have done such a horrific crime to two innocent and loving people cannot be human. In my eyes, they are the very essence of the Devil. My life and the lives of all that loved my parents have been shattered by this. God have mercy and please bring justice to this tragedy that should never have occured. I want my parents souls to be able to rest in peace, but fear that maybe they cant until this is brought to justice. Please, help us end this...From A's second post.


I have not, and will not for many reasons that unfortunately I cannot disclose. Although one reason is that Sherry's husband called me on my cell and left a disturbing message telling me he believes that I did this or had something to do with it. After a comment like that, I cannot see myself contributing to anything that would go into an account of his. Also I have paid all expences that my parents had left and also the whole funeral costs and the cost of the headstone that is being made and to be ready for the spring or so. They have not helped me. But, do not get me wrong, I don't hold that against them, because I did not ask for any monetary help, I feel OK doing it on my own. Additionally, Sherry has not been cruel to me with rude comments, only her husband has. I hold no harshness towards her because of what he did.

The police have not told me of any leads as of yet. They have been keeping quiet about the whole thing, more or less keeping to themselves. I sure hope and prey to God that they can bring who did this to justice.From A's third post


I do believe that it was not a robbery. I think that my parents knew whoever it was that killed them. If it was just a robbery gone wrong, so many other things that were worth a lot more in value could have been stolen. Only a few things of not large value were taken. I think it was someone who had held a grudge against my parents, and that they tried to make it LOOK like a robbery. I just wish they would have told me more about their past before they died. Maybe I might be able to think of someone that had hated them, but I can't. They never spoke much of the past... Iv'e been trying to dig into their past myself through old papers and other such things to try to find maybe something, but all I come up with is just one theory on top of another. I just end up getting more confused the deeper I go. I have found that I did not know as much about them as I thought.LE are going to be very interested in these posts in my opinion.

Rosco
12-20-2006, 12:38 PM
For the record, The Foundation is not under husband's name NOR does it go into anything of husband. Foundation is strickly just for that, The Foundation. It's a sorry excuse to not partake in ANYTHING of the Foundation of her parents. All I see is 'A" hiding from the media as well as her own REMAINING family for over a year. Any money that was used to take care of expenses was given by either inheritence and/or insurance. None was 'saved' or 'worked' for. There was nothing of a savings account that was with "A" own hands and back. Money was given/inherited - not earned. Never appreciated. Poor excuses. Sad that the first time "A" is speaking out it's all a load of garbage.

Sad.

WhiteWolf
12-20-2006, 12:49 PM
Rosco, I just found this thread, and I'm so sorry to hear of your loss. It has to be doubly bad that whoever commited the murders is still walking free.

My prayers are with you and your family.



Also, I noticed A said she was posting from Edwarsburg, MI, Warsaw, IN, and Fisher, IN. Wonder why she did that?

Rosco
12-20-2006, 01:04 PM
Rosco, I just found this thread, and I'm so sorry to hear of your loss. It has to be doubly bad that whoever commited the murders is still walking free.

My prayers are with you and your family.



Also, I noticed A said she was posting from Edwarsburg, MI, Warsaw, IN, and Fisher, IN. Wonder why she did that?

Thank you very much for your prayers. I truly believe in justice. It will be either in our world or God's world. Either way - the killer/s will not win at the end of this horrific story.

Not sure what the different locations signify. Appears to me as a ruse.

I certainly am not afraid nor hiding from LE or anyone with questions or prayers.

Dark Knight
12-20-2006, 04:36 PM
Interesting.
(Source (http://rss.topix.net/forum/city/lagrange-in/T4JF661MSE95QGA40#lastPost))
From A's first post

From A's second post.

From A's third post

LE are going to be very interested in these posts in my opinion.
I wonder if LE even knows about the posts or monitors the web at all.

Rosco
12-20-2006, 05:32 PM
I wonder if LE even knows about the posts or monitors the web at all.
You know Darknight I never offered that information to LE. One would speculate that LE does normal checks within the internet. My thoughts are they are aware.

Dark Knight
12-21-2006, 01:01 AM
You know Darknight I never offered that information to LE. One would speculate that LE does normal checks within the internet. My thoughts are they are aware.
I wouldn't leave it to chance.

Dark Knight
12-22-2006, 07:22 AM
Well, well, look who is posting online:

http://rss.topix.net/forum/city/lagrange-in/T4JF661MSE95QGA40#lastPostFYI - She has a brand new post at the above link. Any thoughts?

ETA: I don't know why, but something about the final paragraph of her latest post gave me the chills. *shrugs*

Masterj
12-22-2006, 12:08 PM
FYI - She has a brand new post at the above link. Any thoughts?

ETA: I don't know why, but something about the final paragraph of her latest post gave me the chills. *shrugs*
I agree. I also think Andrew might be flattering her up to get her to talk more. What do you think?

Dark Knight
12-22-2006, 02:56 PM
I agree. I also think Andrew might be flattering her up to get her to talk more. What do you think?
It's possible, I guess. She seemed awfully enthusiastic about the renovations, as she has since just days after the murders.

Masterj
12-22-2006, 02:57 PM
It's possible, I guess. She seemed awfully enthusiastic about the renovations, as she has since just days after the murders.
I just found it interesting that the poster "Andrew" was commenting or asking questions that we also brought up here. Notice he commented on the fact that she posted from different cities and he got her to open up about her sister and the renovations.

Boyz_Mum
12-22-2006, 04:55 PM
I just found it interesting that the poster "Andrew" was commenting or asking questions that we also brought up here. Notice he commented on the fact that she posted from different cities and he got her to open up about her sister and the renovations.
I've been reading here, but not posting, sorry if I intrude. I read "Andrew's" comments and he seemed to be opening up communication with "A". I noticed she didn't answer the question about posting from different cities. I hope this case is solved soon.

Dark Knight
12-22-2006, 04:57 PM
I've been reading here, but not posting, sorry if I intrude. I read "Andrew's" comments and he seemed to be opening up communication with "A". I noticed she didn't answer the question about posting from different cities. I hope this case is solved soon.
Please feel free to contribute ANYTIME you feel like it! :)

Yeah, "Andrew" has done OK so far talking to her. :cool:

Boyz_Mum
12-22-2006, 05:23 PM
Please feel free to contribute ANYTIME you feel like it! :)

Yeah, "Andrew" has done OK so far talking to her. :cool:
Thanks for the welcome! I usually don't have much to add, but will chime in sometimes. "A" seems like she is patting herself on the back an awful lot in her posts on that other forum- it just seemed out of place to me.

Rosco, I would like to tell you that I am sorry for your loss and sorry your "birthday month" had to be experienced with sadness. I pray that this crime is solved.

Dark Knight
12-22-2006, 05:32 PM
Thanks for the welcome! I usually don't have much to add, but will chime in sometimes. "A" seems like she is patting herself on the back an awful lot in her posts on that other forum- it just seemed out of place to me.

Rosco, I would like to tell you that I am sorry for your loss and sorry your "birthday month" had to be experienced with sadness. I pray that this crime is solved.
She sounded downright chipper at the end of her post on the remodeling of the house where the murder occurred, I thought. That would be hard only one year afterwards. Keep in mind she told the media of her plans to remodel at their FUNERAL!

Boyz_Mum
12-22-2006, 05:51 PM
She sounded downright chipper at the end of her post on the remodeling of the house where the murder occurred, I thought. That would be hard only one year afterwards. Keep in mind she told the media of her plans to remodel at their FUNERAL!
I agree with you. In her first post, she spoke of finding her parents but her "tone" (in my opinion) seemed rather defensive and then adding her comment about her brother-in-law she seemed very spiteful toward him. (It seemed like she was blaming him for her lack of involvement in the fundraising efforts that Rosco has been doing.) But then as "Andrew" began communicating with her she seemed to actually become happy talking about all that she was doing to improve the home. I remember the earlier post on WS that discussed her future remodel plans. I can't "point fingers" but "A's" posts on the other forum didn't sit well with me. (I will admit that my opinion is a little colored from reading here but I guess in my opinion I don't find "A's" posts heartfelt but more like a person who is combative and defensive- sorry if that sounds offensive to anyone!)

LionRun
12-22-2006, 05:53 PM
I noticed she didn't answer the question about posting from different cities. I hope this case is solved soon.

It seems she didn't answer the question about posting specific info about the stolen items either. She stated that there were signs posted locally with no responses. But, she didn't truly answer the question. She didn't comment on how she felt about posting info on the stolen items on the net either.

Boyz_Mum
12-22-2006, 06:03 PM
It seems she didn't answer the question about posting specific info about the stolen items either. She stated that there were signs posted locally with no responses. But, she didn't truly answer the question. She didn't comment on how she felt about posting info on the stolen items on the net either.
Did she say that she was involved with putting up the signs? It didn't seem like she participated in much of anything and you are right, she didn't explore the possibility of posting info on the stolen items on the net.

LionRun
12-22-2006, 06:16 PM
Did she say that she was involved with putting up the signs? It didn't seem like she participated in much of anything and you are right, she didn't explore the possibility of posting info on the stolen items on the net.
Yes. She said that, "we" posted signs. I wonder who, "we" is/are. Also, she said that, "for the most part they(the signs) are still there." No leads or info has come from said signs she said.

blaize
12-23-2006, 07:38 PM
Yes. She said that, "we" posted signs. I wonder who, "we" is/are. Also, she said that, "for the most part they(the signs) are still there." No leads or info has come from said signs she said.Hmm you know what's interesting there is that LE aren't sharing info about leads with anyone so how could "A" state that "No leads or info has come from said signs"?

Rosco is there any way to find out if "A" as been in contact with LE lately?

blaize

Rosco
12-26-2006, 01:10 PM
Hmm you know what's interesting there is that LE aren't sharing info about leads with anyone so how could "A" state that "No leads or info has come from said signs"?

Rosco is there any way to find out if "A" as been in contact with LE lately?

blaize
Corret blaize. LE is not sharing information. LE is tight lipped with info to me/family as well as media. While I visited in Oct, I was told by LE that interviews/communication was open and not an issue. LE has been in contact and had been addressed with what they are asking/questioning. As far as the information/interviews being the truth, that is the big issue LE has been facing with now and from the start. That is the biggest issue for LE. Don't know who/whom they are refering to tho. LE did not indicate how coopertive anyone is/has been. Won't share that.

The items taken were;

Winchester 22 Magnum lever action with scope (?) Scored under Western Style , T.A (?)

Genuine split leather gun sling. Base laces on butt of stock. Fits common stock size, Use with rifles, shotguns. 1" wide sling slips over barrel or between ramrod thimbles and held in place by a ramrod.

Mossberg 500 20 gauge with 24” slug barrel-front sight flips down- pump sleeve has been re-welded three times that you can tell also, has a western style sling.

CVA Inline muzzleloader Black fiber-optic sights front and rear western style sling with Simmons 3x9x50 Black scope. (It’s loader rod doesn’t match)

Horton Legend XT 175 Crossbow with legend scope red arrows 20” swivel style sling. EZ winder cocking device. Handle was left behind. Someone may want to order one.

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Very little value to steal. A rifle that was been welded three time over. Wow.. But - could be something of interst if someone would happen to see it or try and buy it since it has a very distictive difference.

The arrows to the crossbow were found in another part of the barn. I seen them. To me it appears the murder/s were not familiar with weapons. Strange to leave a major part of one weapon behide and not to be able to use it without that part - if one was familiar with the weapon you are stealing. Maybe in a hurry to leave after murders? But both wre murdered. Who would 'stop by' the house and catch them? I was told by LE that the killer/s did stay at the house for sometime after the murders. LE said killer/s tried to 'clean up' after. LE appears to have information that can prove that fact. As far as WHAT, they will not reply or share.

I feel if it was robbery, it would not have been so brutal. So 'overkill'. So messy. So personal.

Rosco
12-26-2006, 01:21 PM
It's possible, I guess. She seemed awfully enthusiastic about the renovations, as she has since just days after the murders.
Why would someone allow a person to move/rent the house 3 weeks after the murder of their parents? Renovations were already on their way and being started 2 days after the murder. It sickens me. Strangers living in my father and step-mother's house 3 weeks after their bodies were found beaten to death. I was also told of a large New Years Party that took place at the house last year. OMG! Was told 20 or more cars were parked in the yard and loud music can be heard coming from the house. I cried the whole time I heard that information.

Rosco
12-26-2006, 01:24 PM
I've been reading here, but not posting, sorry if I intrude. I read "Andrew's" comments and he seemed to be opening up communication with "A". I noticed she didn't answer the question about posting from different cities. I hope this case is solved soon.
Please don't feel that you are intruding. Feel free to post. Appreciate any comments and thoughts.

Thank you for reading and your interest. Never know what important information you can share that can be of help.

God Bless and thank you for your prayers. I believe in justice.

Rosco
12-26-2006, 01:26 PM
I wouldn't leave it to chance.
I will send the link to LE. Let it be known.

Swoodski
12-26-2006, 05:33 PM
Another luker here. Read the whole case today. Everyone (WS'ers) has really worked together for Roscoe case.

Where is A living now? In the trailer on the land or back in the house?
Her last post on Topix was recent. She was kicked out the house in the Fall. Why is she so excited about the remodel then???? Hmm...

LionRun
12-26-2006, 05:37 PM
I have just caught up by reading as much as I could about Terry and Darleen
Anderson. I hope and pray for justice in this heart wrenching case. Hopefully, LE's investigation is benefited by the information with the links you provided for them.


Many things have struck me about what happened to Terry and Darleen Anderson.

But, one thought and one thought only comes to mind when I read this quote:

"I was told by LE about shoe prints. No finger prints - as far as LE told. I was also told by LE - 'murder tried to clean up the mess' Not sure how LE refers... like did murder/s clean themselves (which I would imagine the party to be covered head-toe.. in hair... in eyes.. just all over) or clean the house.. floor... sink? LE was not specific."

Random killers do not generally attempt to clean up crime scenes. They flee. Or in some cases, the killer has stayed, eaten food, watched TV, etc.., but, they DO NOT attempt to clean up crime scenes. Generally, murderers who clean up or attempt to clean up crime scenes knew the victim (s).

Dark Knight
12-27-2006, 11:02 AM
I have just caught up by reading as much as I could about Terry and Darleen
Anderson. I hope and pray for justice in this heart wrenching case. Hopefully, LE's investigation is benefited by the information with the links you provided for them.


Many things have struck me about what happened to Terry and Darleen Anderson.

But, one thought and one thought only comes to mind when I read this quote:

"I was told by LE about shoe prints. No finger prints - as far as LE told. I was also told by LE - 'murder tried to clean up the mess' Not sure how LE refers... like did murder/s clean themselves (which I would imagine the party to be covered head-toe.. in hair... in eyes.. just all over) or clean the house.. floor... sink? LE was not specific."

Random killers do not generally attempt to clean up crime scenes. They flee. Or in some cases, the killer has stayed, eaten food, watched TV, etc.., but, they DO NOT attempt to clean up crime scenes. Generally, murderers who clean up or attempt to clean up crime scenes knew the victim (s).
That's a good point. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule, but generally I think you're right! Thanks for the insight!

Rosco
12-27-2006, 12:30 PM
Another luker here. Read the whole case today. Everyone (WS'ers) has really worked together for Roscoe case.

Where is A living now? In the trailer on the land or back in the house?
Her last post on Topix was recent. She was kicked out the house in the Fall. Why is she so excited about the remodel then???? Hmm...
Thank you for your participation. Very much appreciated.

The last I heard was "A" is living with her current BF's (father of her unborn child) parent's place. The renter has not moved out and I don't know the reason why. Maybe the renter and "A" are now at better terms? I am not sure. With all the remodeling going on I would imagine she is not very far from the house. I don't think she would allow others to supervise all the remodeling plans. I was also informed that the plumbing in the house is all broken down..and no running water on the property. Making the home not livable. Trailer is on the poperty - back of house and is still on property, but only offers electric by an extention cord from the barn to the trailer. Not sure who is actually living in the home or trailer these days.

Rosco
12-27-2006, 12:33 PM
I have just caught up by reading as much as I could about Terry and Darleen
Anderson. I hope and pray for justice in this heart wrenching case. Hopefully, LE's investigation is benefited by the information with the links you provided for them.


Many things have struck me about what happened to Terry and Darleen Anderson.

But, one thought and one thought only comes to mind when I read this quote:

"I was told by LE about shoe prints. No finger prints - as far as LE told. I was also told by LE - 'murder tried to clean up the mess' Not sure how LE refers... like did murder/s clean themselves (which I would imagine the party to be covered head-toe.. in hair... in eyes.. just all over) or clean the house.. floor... sink? LE was not specific."

Random killers do not generally attempt to clean up crime scenes. They flee. Or in some cases, the killer has stayed, eaten food, watched TV, etc.., but, they DO NOT attempt to clean up crime scenes. Generally, murderers who clean up or attempt to clean up crime scenes knew the victim (s).
I agree. Random/strangers normally do not clean up the crime scenes.. I totally agree!! I truly believe the killer/s were VERY close to Terry and Darleen. Knew their routine and was not in fear of someone walking in on the murders.

Rosco
12-27-2006, 12:34 PM
I have just caught up by reading as much as I could about Terry and Darleen
Anderson. I hope and pray for justice in this heart wrenching case. Hopefully, LE's investigation is benefited by the information with the links you provided for them.


Many things have struck me about what happened to Terry and Darleen Anderson.

But, one thought and one thought only comes to mind when I read this quote:

"I was told by LE about shoe prints. No finger prints - as far as LE told. I was also told by LE - 'murder tried to clean up the mess' Not sure how LE refers... like did murder/s clean themselves (which I would imagine the party to be covered head-toe.. in hair... in eyes.. just all over) or clean the house.. floor... sink? LE was not specific."

Random killers do not generally attempt to clean up crime scenes. They flee. Or in some cases, the killer has stayed, eaten food, watched TV, etc.., but, they DO NOT attempt to clean up crime scenes. Generally, murderers who clean up or attempt to clean up crime scenes knew the victim (s).
Thanks for your thoughts and prayers. I believe in justice!!!!!!

Dark Knight
12-27-2006, 03:01 PM
Anyone can post on that message board, maybe some from WS can get "A" to open up a bit more. Follow the posting trend that you've seen so far on there so as not to spook her, as it seems to be working a bit.

Dark Knight
12-27-2006, 03:03 PM
Thank you for your participation. Very much appreciated.

The last I heard was "A" is living with her current BF's (father of her unborn child) parent's place. The renter has not moved out and I don't know the reason why. Maybe the renter and "A" are now at better terms? I am not sure. With all the remodeling going on I would imagine she is not very far from the house. I don't think she would allow others to supervise all the remodeling plans. I was also informed that the plumbing in the house is all broken down..and no running water on the property. Making the home not livable. Trailer is on the poperty - back of house and is still on property, but only offers electric by an extention cord from the barn to the trailer. Not sure who is actually living in the home or trailer these days.
Her post indicated that the house is almost entirely renovated and will be almost brand new by the time she is done. That has to be expensive, and she obviously has permission to have the work done. I didn't expect her to have even started yet.

LionRun
12-27-2006, 03:42 PM
So, now, "A" is going to have a baby? Sounds like she is enjoying her freedom.


One thing I don't understand about the, "renter" situation is this. If I had a renter in my murdered family's home that had kicked me out, and I were as vocal and expressive as A seems to be, I would be ranting and raving all over the place. I would do all I could to evict the renter. But, I don't see where she mentions the renter at all. Maybe the renter has something on her?

Swoodski
12-27-2006, 03:49 PM
Thank you Rosco for the info about her possible living arrangements. She must be falsely presenting her work done at the house on the other site. Since you are hearing how run down the home has become. Wonder what's up with that? Maybe since you posted there first she thinks you're reading it and is trying to talk it up.

dottierainbow
12-27-2006, 04:56 PM
I had not heard of these murders till today. I live in Central Indiana about 30 miles south of Inpls.
I am truly sorry for your loss Rosco. Where is money coming from for the renovation of the house? Did A know 1st hand that you were posting on Topix? Is Topix a local forum or is it worldwide?

Rosco
12-27-2006, 05:05 PM
Thank you Rosco for the info about her possible living arrangements. She must be falsely presenting her work done at the house on the other site. Since you are hearing how run down the home has become. Wonder what's up with that? Maybe since you posted there first she thinks you're reading it and is trying to talk it up.
It's possible of her reading WS. Maybe not - She has spent her entire 20yrs in a mini-town of Mongo on 11 aches. There was no computer at the house as of 14months ago and she never went to friends with computers to play and inter-net. She never seemed to be interested. She was more outdoors and BOYS! But it might be a different story now.

It's possible she might not be telling the truth of the house. It also could be someone else talking - saying it was her. That is what I have been thinking - but BIG whatever. I hear from the town's people (all kinds - not just one or three) and they see/hear/drive by the house. I know some renovations are being started, but as far as finished, I don't think so. Seems to be allot of projects going on and nothing finished. The living room HAD to be redone becuz the carpet was blood stained as well as the walls and furniture! The carpet was cut up to burn along with the couch.

dottierainbow
12-27-2006, 05:13 PM
Does anyone think its odd that the couch would be allowed to be destroyed instead of being kept for evidence in a trial?

Rosco
12-27-2006, 05:13 PM
So, now, "A" is going to have a baby? Sounds like she is enjoying her freedom.


One thing I don't understand about the, "renter" situation is this. If I had a renter in my murdered family's home that had kicked me out, and I were as vocal and expressive as A seems to be, I would be ranting and raving all over the place. I would do all I could to evict the renter. But, I don't see where she mentions the renter at all. Maybe the renter has something on her?
I was told that the renter is/was a GREAT friend of the 'X'. Understand that "A" and "X" were suposed to be married - and now her parents were murdered and you (renter) want/can/willing to move into the house. SICK! Now that the "X" is out of the picture since June and the new BF is around AND have a baby coming soon, might have created the head-butting. Personally I think the renter has/knows something and has told "A" that he must stay or else. Way too close of a relationship of renter to "A" and "X" and also moving in 3 weeks after murders - to NOT know or assume something. Seems to me that he was ready to move in the day after.

Rosco
12-27-2006, 05:15 PM
Does anyone think its odd that the couch would be allowed to be destroyed instead of being kept for evidence in a trial?
Let me tell you - LE allowed the entire property and house open to family and public LESS than 48hrs after the murders took place. MY HUSBAND cleaned the house after the murders. "X" and his friends were taking property out of the barn and packing up their trucks. I screamed at LE and they told me it was a civil matter. I screamed at bank for allowing renter to move in. Deaf ears all around.

BigRMV
12-27-2006, 05:17 PM
Greetings Ladies and Gentlemen. This is my first post so please bear with me.

I found this site quite by accident while doing some other research and started reading. I was struck by the number of cases here. This one in particular really got my attention. So much so that I registered as a Websleuths user.

Let me start by saying how sorry I am for the loss to you and your family, Rosco. I've read the posts and linked pages. It appears to me that Dark Knight, Blaize, and several others have offered very good information. I'd like to add my 2 cents.



It seems to me that LE is honestly working on the case--as evidenced by the FBI involvement--and probably suspects 'A' and accomplices, but doesn't have that one piece of conclusive evidence to tie it all together, hence LE's silence. I don't know what that missing link may be, but I'd like to point out something from the newspaper articles written immediately after the crimes that seem to have been overlooked (even by DK).

In the Kendallville News-Sun article by Megan Hockley that DK posted on 10/10/06 (post #83), ‘A’ is quoted as saying, "We're going to make their dreams our dreams. Dad wanted a full wrap-around porch, to tear down the barn, new siding. There's electrical work to do. Mom wanted new curtains, new furniture.”

But in the same article, the man listed as his “best friend, Bill Gage” is quoted as saying “Terry's barn was bigger than his house and included a large storage area, a tool shed and workroom and his hunting cabin."Every time he got an extra $500, $600, he'd call the Amish men. ‘I want to build on. Frame it up.' "


Statements in this and other articles posted by DK around 10/10/06 indicate that the house was Darleen’s to “fill up” as she wanted but that the barn was Terry’s. In fact, one article mentions how Eric Musilek, Sherry’s husband, “cleaned up the barn where Terry Anderson was killed – a barn he helped him build a few years back.”


Now, it seems to me that if Terry was proud of that relatively new barn, stored all of his valuables in it, spent spare cash to improve upon it whenever he could, then it couldn’t have been something “Dad wanted” as described by ‘A’ above. There seems to be a preponderance of evidence to the contrary.


I would point these recorded statements out to LE and the DA, just to light a fire under them. It’s possible that the investigators are well aware of these statements, but then again, they may have overlooked them as some of our esteemed fellow websleuths have.

BigRMV
12-27-2006, 05:19 PM
I know I can be long winded and didn’t want to detract from the point in my previous post, ergo this one. Rosco, I’d like to take the liberty of making a (time consuming) suggestion to you and your kin involved in this effort. That is: Start a timeline of the facts--as you know them--pertaining to your parents covering the time period a few months before, during, and through present day. Keep the facts concise and in chronological order. Use manilla folders, notebooks, 3 by 5 index cards or whatever works to soft and store these facts. Just put them in order as best as you can. Once you feel you’ve done that, stop and walk away for a day or a week. Focus on something other than this case and those facts. It will be difficult to forget, I’m sure. But try.


After the “away time” come back to your timeline and look through your data from start to finish. You may find that stepping back from it will give you a new perspective and allow you to find omissions or inconsistencies that will help the investigation or, at least, your peace of mind.

Rosco
12-27-2006, 05:33 PM
I had not heard of these murders till today. I live in Central Indiana about 30 miles south of Inpls.
I am truly sorry for your loss Rosco. Where is money coming from for the renovation of the house? Did A know 1st hand that you were posting on Topix? Is Topix a local forum or is it worldwide?
Thanks for posting and reading and posting. I know that a few of my Dad's friends are from that area of IND.

I do not know where the money is coming from for renovations. There was no savings account - and I know that for truth. She had JUST moved out less than 6 months before the murders took place. She JUST got the job about 18months prior. Parents paid for truck payment and cell phone.. clothes.. food. She 'played' with her money from job. She had NO WAY of saving that kind of money from working less than 2 yrs on a job. She received 50K on her 21st b-day (last Feb) from our grandfather. I knew of that for over 15yrs...and she also knew it. I do believe "X" knew of that it too. LE confirmed to me she received that money. LE knows what she is buying and her actions. They share very very little with me of what they know but has shared some.

I don't know if she knows I posted on topix. I posted that months ago in hopes of maybe getting the word out. I am on-line all day and have posted my loss everywhere. Can't get any bites if I don't keep fishing... "quote from my dad". I am not afraid of anything or anyone. I am angry and wish that someone will have the nerve to challenge me. Every single post on the WS I type is the truth of either I experienced/heard it with my own ears/ or viewed it with my own eyes. Can't hide the truth and true feelings. Actions speak louder than words.

LionRun
12-27-2006, 05:33 PM
Very good points Big. There are sooo many contradictions and things that just stand out in this that it is hard to keep up with.


Rosco, did you tell LE about this sight? The many posts and info may help with their investigation. Even if some things we think or say are off base, these posts may spark their thoughts and help in finding who committed such terrible acts.

Rosco
12-27-2006, 05:46 PM
I know I can be long winded and didn’t want to detract from the point in my previous post, ergo this one. Rosco, I’d like to take the liberty of making a (time consuming) suggestion to you and your kin involved in this effort. That is: Start a timeline of the facts--as you know them--pertaining to your parents covering the time period a few months before, during, and through present day. Keep the facts concise and in chronological order. Use manilla folders, notebooks, 3 by 5 index cards or whatever works to soft and store these facts. Just put them in order as best as you can. Once you feel you’ve done that, stop and walk away for a day or a week. Focus on something other than this case and those facts. It will be difficult to forget, I’m sure. But try.


After the “away time” come back to your timeline and look through your data from start to finish. You may find that stepping back from it will give you a new perspective and allow you to find omissions or inconsistencies that will help the investigation or, at least, your peace of mind.
Thank you very much for your post. I read the other too.

I will truly try and work on this. This seems to be a really great idea to keep thoughts in order.

dottierainbow
12-27-2006, 05:57 PM
Yes, A has to know for a fact you posted on Topix because she posted after you did therefore she read your posts. I was wondering if she was trying to keep tabs on you to see what you know or suspect.
Rosco whoever did this I hope and pray they have a conscience and they slip up. I believe all darkness will be exposed by light sooner or later. Keep up the good work.

Rosco
12-27-2006, 05:58 PM
Greetings Ladies and Gentlemen. This is my first post so please bear with me.

I found this site quite by accident while doing some other research and started reading. I was struck by the number of cases here. This one in particular really got my attention. So much so that I registered as a Websleuths user.

Let me start by saying how sorry I am for the loss to you and your family, Rosco. I've read the posts and linked pages. It appears to me that Dark Knight, Blaize, and several others have offered very good information. I'd like to add my 2 cents.



It seems to me that LE is honestly working on the case--as evidenced by the FBI involvement--and probably suspects 'A' and accomplices, but doesn't have that one piece of conclusive evidence to tie it all together, hence LE's silence. I don't know what that missing link may be, but I'd like to point out something from the newspaper articles written immediately after the crimes that seem to have been overlooked (even by DK).

In the Kendallville News-Sun article by Megan Hockley that DK posted on 10/10/06 (post #83), ‘A’ is quoted as saying, "We're going to make their dreams our dreams. Dad wanted a full wrap-around porch, to tear down the barn, new siding. There's electrical work to do. Mom wanted new curtains, new furniture.”

But in the same article, the man listed as his “best friend, Bill Gage” is quoted as saying “Terry's barn was bigger than his house and included a large storage area, a tool shed and workroom and his hunting cabin."Every time he got an extra $500, $600, he'd call the Amish men. ‘I want to build on. Frame it up.' "


Statements in this and other articles posted by DK around 10/10/06 indicate that the house was Darleen’s to “fill up” as she wanted but that the barn was Terry’s. In fact, one article mentions how Eric Musilek, Sherry’s husband, “cleaned up the barn where Terry Anderson was killed – a barn he helped him build a few years back.”


Now, it seems to me that if Terry was proud of that relatively new barn, stored all of his valuables in it, spent spare cash to improve upon it whenever he could, then it couldn’t have been something “Dad wanted” as described by ‘A’ above. There seems to be a preponderance of evidence to the contrary.


I would point these recorded statements out to LE and the DA, just to light a fire under them. It’s possible that the investigators are well aware of these statements, but then again, they may have overlooked them as some of our esteemed fellow websleuths have.
Dad LOVED his barn. Just loved the outdoors and being in that barn. Wow.. I could not tell you how he just took every amount of energy to the barn - but he also enjoyed house. He built the back porch and upstairs. Fixed the garage a few years back and added the front addition to the house about 8yrs ago. He just liked to fix things. But as a favorite for Dad was the barn. I can say that Dad or Darleen was not that ready to re-do the entire house as what is being done. Dad's basement would seap water/leak water and the foundation is not good. Standing water all the time in the basement. Needed to be re-done. Also, can't imagine why needing a new roof when dad just put a roof on the house about 4 yrs ago. I know cuz it was the same time my brother put his roof on his house in California. They talked about it - same time. There were/are allot more important issues with the house that needed to get done before a wood porch or siding!!!

Let me tell you Bill Gage is and will never be a friend of mine. He refuses to give DNA to LE. Said that LE is trying to pin the murders on someone and he does not want to be the one. My husband 'called him out' regarding that issue when we found out about him not wanting to cooperate. He said he would but has not... to our understanding. We do not talk to him anymore. I truly believe he knows something too!! He has taken part in my family's home and my dad's gargage like it is his property. Got all my father's ice fishing gear... BUT did my son get a pole??? NOTHING.. not one pole for my son.

LionRun
12-27-2006, 06:10 PM
Dad LOVED his barn. Just loved the outdoors and being in that barn. Wow.. I could not tell you how he just took every amount of energy to the barn - but he also enjoyed house. He built the back porch and upstairs. Fixed the garage a few years back and added the front addition to the house about 8yrs ago. He just liked to fix things. But as a favorite for Dad was the barn. I can say that Dad or Darleen was not that ready to re-do the entire house as what is being done. Dad's basement would seap water/leak water and the foundation is not good. Standing water all the time in the basement. Needed to be re-done. Also, can't imagine why needing a new roof when dad just put a roof on the house about 4 yrs ago. I know cuz it was the same time my brother put his roof on his house in California. They talked about it - same time. There were/are allot more important issues with the house that needed to get done before a wood porch or siding!!!

Let me tell you Bill Gage is and will never be a friend of mine. He refuses to give DNA to LE. Said that LE is trying to pin the murders on someone and he does not want to be the one. My husband 'called him out' regarding that issue when we found out about him not wanting to cooperate. He said he would but has not... to our understanding. We do not talk to him anymore. I truly believe he knows something too!! He has taken part in my family's home and my dad's gargage like it is his property. Got all my father's ice fishing gear... BUT did my son get a pole??? NOTHING.. not one pole for my son.
But, your dad would not have wanted the barn to be torn down, right? That would not make any sense.

Please tell me how Bill Gage fits in to all of this. I'm a little confused. Thanks. I'll do a search on him in the meantime.

Okay, I searched posts and know now that he was reportedly Terry's best friend. I remember reading that post; but, I did not recall Bill Gage's name.

Why would he be so afraid to give DNA to LE? I might be sightly nervous. I once was required to take a pre-screen drug test for a job. They took hair samples. I was a little concerned because about a year prior to the test I had been in the hospital with pneumonia. I wondered if the vast amount of drugs they gave in the hospital would show up. It didn't, and I got the job. However, my concern didn't stop me from taking the test because I had nothing to hide and all could be explained. I think it is possible that BG was just concerned because he was genuinely afraid that he might be falsely indicated. I would not take him off the list though.

What is the relationship between BG and A if any? What is the relationship between BG and X if any? For how long were BG and Terry, "best friends?" How did BG and Terry meet? How did Darleen feel about BG? Were they also friends? Is BG still involved in A's life? Does he have property of your parents"?

I have a gut feeling that this will be solved, and I want to see this through. I think there are others who feel the same. Best to you Rosco.

Do you know yet if LE has a link and are (hopefully) monitoring this site?

Rosco
12-27-2006, 06:22 PM
But, your dad would not have wanted the barn to be torn down, right? That would not make any sense.

Please tell me how Bill Gage fits in to all of this. I'm a little confused. Thanks. I'll do a search on him in the meantime.
Sorry - not very clear. The 'pole barn' is/was his new baby. The old red barn (like on the movies) was what he wanted torn down. HOWEVER - I know my dad wanted the old red barn to be taken down board/board. He wanted to save the good wood for the 'new pole barn' and other things for the house. He built the pole barn and was waiting to take the red barn down to store the wood - after the pole barn was finished. He needed a place to store the wood and other things that he had in the red barn. Wanted to build something with the old wood. Plans on Amish to help take down old red barn along with my husband. Talked about it all the time. Instead "X" told town folk that they had a 'barn burning party'.. They burned the old red barn up instead of taking it down and keeping what Dad wanted... the good wood.. The old barn was well over 100yrs old..and there were still plenty of wonderful wood that could have been used up. My husband is so upset over them burning the red barn. He really knew what Dad wanted to do and it's obvious they did not!

Rosco
12-27-2006, 06:36 PM
But, your dad would not have wanted the barn to be torn down, right? That would not make any sense.

Please tell me how Bill Gage fits in to all of this. I'm a little confused. Thanks. I'll do a search on him in the meantime.
Bill Gage is/was a friend of my fathers. Apparently god-father to my sister. I do not believe that to be true. Remember I came into my dad's life when I was about 19yrs old..and sister was a toddler - maybe 2yrs. I did not know of a god-father for Amanda and dad never spoke about it. Bill gage is also 15yrs younger than dad would be. That would have made bill in his 20's when my sister was born.. Dad was 40. I can't imagine a close relationship with bill and dad at that time to warrent god-father rights. Dad has friends that are closer to his age and were close to him for most of his life in Mongo - they would warrent that respect as god-father. Not Gage. But - that needs to be researched. That information is public and I do plan on checking into that - I do believe that services would have taken place in Mongo at the Methodist Church were Darleen attended. Dad and Darleen did not attend mass regularly. I don't believe they did for years... so prior to me knowing them it could have been an important part in Darleen's /Dad's life. Dad was a drunk at that time in his life and did not do much of anything for God - so I don't think it was Dad. Bill gage also seems to have allot of time to help with the remodeling and the money to buy my dad's personal property at auctions. But he's always drove a vehicle with at least 20yrs on the machine.. NEVER a new car/truck. Job is also below average for $$$. I do not and never liked him from the start. Always seemed to have a smile like he was hiding something. He was the kind of person who (as a woman) would look at you and think that he was undressing you or viewing you with some freak way.. A woman would probably understand what I am saying more than a man would. Some men have looks that just scream pervert or something.. just not a nice feeling to be looked at.