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what are all the theories on SBTC? if PR did write the letter, she wouldn't have just made up some random acronym, would she?
JMO8778
10-20-2006, 04:21 PM
what are all the theories on SBTC? if PR did write the letter, she wouldn't have just made up some random acronym, would she?In Steve Thomas's book,"Jonbenet",he pointed out that there was a bible open in the house to phrases with each line starting with s, b, t and c.
IMO,I think that's where it came from,but others have speculated that it may have came from somewhere else.I personally think she was looking thru the bible for something to put at the end and that's what she came up with.
:o) - that's exactly what made me ask this question - i'm at the part of the book where he mentions trying to hire FinCEN and then it switches to the gravesite surveillance. i know that no one's "solved" SBTC, so i figured he wouldn't get to it in the book. haven't gotten to the Bible part yet.
I saw the CourtTV Special that ran two years ago about the Private Invest. Team hired by the new DA in Boulder, it was ran last month when the Lunatic was given a free flight home from Thailand - i was convinced that i'd errantly bought into the whole media's trick that the Ramsey's are guilty and felt very guilty for that. wasn't even aware that DNA was found on her. So i jumped on the IDI boat.
NOW that i hear that the DNA in question is inconsequential, i can see how bad it looks for P.R. (the pineapple is more compelling to me than the Note). Steve's book is good (his bias is evident, but the book is good).
What of the blonde (norwegian?) kid who's suspected of breaking and entering houses and who "killed himself" the day after the famous press conference threat..? the one with the HITECHs in the photo by his bed? he looked pretty good on that documentary, i thought.
narlacat
10-21-2006, 07:51 AM
:o) - that's exactly what made me ask this question - i'm at the part of the book where he mentions trying to hire FinCEN and then it switches to the gravesite surveillance. i know that no one's "solved" SBTC, so i figured he wouldn't get to it in the book. haven't gotten to the Bible part yet.
I saw the CourtTV Special that ran two years ago about the Private Invest. Team hired by the new DA in Boulder, it was ran last month when the Lunatic was given a free flight home from Thailand - i was convinced that i'd errantly bought into the whole media's trick that the Ramsey's are guilty and felt very guilty for that. wasn't even aware that DNA was found on her. So i jumped on the IDI boat.
NOW that i hear that the DNA in question is inconsequential, i can see how bad it looks for P.R. (the pineapple is more compelling to me than the Note). Steve's book is good (his bias is evident, but the book is good).
What of the blonde (norwegian?) kid who's suspected of breaking and entering houses and who "killed himself" the day after the famous press conference threat..? the one with the HITECHs in the photo by his bed? he looked pretty good on that documentary, i thought.You need to do your homework JFK.
The documentary was a crock of ....
See IMPORTANT:Michael Tracey/Westword Article/Please Read on this forum, page 1.
PS Steve Thomas wasn't bias.
You need to do your homework JFK.
The documentary was a crock of ....
See IMPORTANT:Michael Tracey/Westword Article/Please Read on this forum, page 1.
PS Steve Thomas wasn't bias.reread my post. i said "now that i hear that the DNA is inconsequential" - meaning now that i'm hearing that that Doc. is crap...
i'd consider reading Thomas' book doing my homework. I'm don't claim to be the JBR aficionados that ya'll are. that's the reason i'm asking these questions.
SuperDave
10-21-2006, 01:24 PM
Not only that, but there were four items placed in the coffin with her that started with those letters.
JMO8778
10-21-2006, 04:52 PM
Not only that, but there were four items placed in the coffin with her that started with those letters.I never realized that, thx. ..scarf,cat,bracelet and tiara..maybe that's the meaning of the scarf.
miss plum
10-21-2006, 07:50 PM
It is often suggested SBTC stands for 'Saved By The Cross' and I can imagine it being tacked onto the end of the letter as a kind of prayer of repentance: their child has been killed, that cannot be undone, but Christ can forgive, He is their judge, not man, so they pray and repent to Him as they embark on their years of lies to man.
JMO8778
10-21-2006, 10:43 PM
It is often suggested SBTC stands for 'Saved By The Cross' and I can imagine it being tacked onto the end of the letter as a kind of prayer of repentance: their child has been killed, that cannot be undone, but Christ can forgive, He is their judge, not man, so they pray and repent to Him as they embark on their years of lies to man.weird notion,isn't it.
I mean I think it's like ST says...'without confession,there can be no forgiveness'.plus they just keep lying and lying..being repentful doesn't follow along those lines.Not only did they let JB down in life,they continue to do so in death as well,dishonoring her with their words and actions.
I do have some degree of respect for Susan Smith though(no flames,pls!),reason of course being she confessed and is doing her time.I've seen no such remorse at all in the R's.
Show Me
10-22-2006, 08:53 AM
what are all the theories on SBTC? if PR did write the letter, she wouldn't have just made up some random acronym, would she?
Gee that's a toughie.
Eagle1
10-22-2006, 09:15 PM
I'm glad to see someone still interested in the great JFK mystery, and I wonder if you saw "Manchurian Candidate" Saturday night. Don't know why that would be on Public TV in the Detroit area. The one with Angela Lansbury and I believe Frank Sinatra. I saw it many years ago so I didn't watch closely this time, but noticed a coincidence. This political subject was named Ray Shaw, and in one of the books about the assasination, there were some New Orleans characters mentioned, one named Clay Shaw. Couldn't mean anything, I'm sure.
If you're following all this stuff you're sure doing your homework. I forget in which thread that question came up, but just saw your hat again and was reminded.
Has anyone read Singular's book? I did way back and now someone at another forum says a lot was blacked out of the report on the Santa Bear, that I don't remember reading anything about, which disappeared from the crime scene. Patsy said in an interview she was pretty sure the pageant bear had been a white angel one. She couldn't seem to remember ever seeing the Santa Bear. Someone may have been wrong who said she called it "shabby"? If it's Karr's bear, that's probably place him in Boulder! Why would it disappear if not important, and why would info that's possibly about him be blacked out? Could he be a special agent of some kind, just acting nutty for the heck of it?
You need to do your homework JFK.
The documentary was a crock of ....
See IMPORTANT:Michael Tracey/Westword Article/Please Read on this forum, page 1.
PS Steve Thomas wasn't bias.
also, i didn't mean that he was bias in his investigation, i meant his bias IN THE BOOK is evident. nothing wrong with appropriate biasedness - it's possible to be biased and still be objective.
difficult, but possible. i'd be biased too if i wrote a book about those experiences had i had them.
I never realized that, thx. ..scarf,cat,bracelet and tiara..maybe that's the meaning of the scarf.
well now, wait a minute. then that would make it SCBT. and that's not what was written...
:o) - kidding.
Gee that's a toughie.
is that really your signature...? that logic is as compelling as that of the Bible Codes. i'm a true believer of Christ as the Defeater of Death, but i still happen to believe in coincidence, to a point.
you can quite probably find that acronym in every book that's been written, on one page or another. just because it's found in something written by JR makes him part of the ransom note...?
my God, hang him from a tree right away!!!
I'm glad to see someone still interested in the great JFK mystery, and I wonder if you saw "Manchurian Candidate" Saturday night. Don't know why that would be on Public TV in the Detroit area. The one with Angela Lansbury and I believe Frank Sinatra. I saw it many years ago so I didn't watch closely this time, but noticed a coincidence. This political subject was named Ray Shaw, and in one of the books about the assasination, there were some New Orleans characters mentioned, one named Clay Shaw. Couldn't mean anything, I'm sure.
If you're following all this stuff you're sure doing your homework. I forget in which thread that question came up, but just saw your hat again and was reminded.
Has anyone read Singular's book? I did way back and now someone at another forum says a lot was blacked out of the report on the Santa Bear, that I don't remember reading anything about, which disappeared from the crime scene. Patsy said in an interview she was pretty sure the pageant bear had been a white angel one. She couldn't seem to remember ever seeing the Santa Bear. Someone may have been wrong who said she called it "shabby"? If it's Karr's bear, that's probably place him in Boulder! Why would it disappear if not important, and why would info that's possibly about him be blacked out? Could he be a special agent of some kind, just acting nutty for the heck of it?
thanks Eagle1 - i'm way beyond "still interested". not only is it the single awesomest mystery a person could study, fact OR fiction (that and how Howard Dean was elected Party Chair), it also carries such IMMENSE and long reaching ramifications that still affect how our government is today strung like a puppet.
man, don't even get me started :o) -
JMO8778
10-22-2006, 10:01 PM
thanks Eagle1 - i'm way beyond "still interested". not only is it the single awesomest mystery a person could study, fact OR fiction (that and how Howard Dean was elected Party Chair), it also carries such IMMENSE and long reaching ramifications that still affect how our government is today strung like a puppet.
man, don't even get me started :o) -yea,I've always thought the Pres. was just there to look pretty.He's not really the one running the country.The underground gov't is.Whoever they are.(applies to all Presidents,not just our current one).
And I think Gore really DID win FL.It just got changed by the real Gov't to 'didn't'.
I can think of many more examples,so many that a book could be written about them.
I'm glad to see someone still interested in the great JFK mystery, and I wonder if you saw "Manchurian Candidate" Saturday night. Don't know why that would be on Public TV in the Detroit area. The one with Angela Lansbury and I believe Frank Sinatra. I saw it many years ago so I didn't watch closely this time, but noticed a coincidence. This political subject was named Ray Shaw, and in one of the books about the assasination, there were some New Orleans characters mentioned, one named Clay Shaw. Couldn't mean anything, I'm sure.
If you're following all this stuff you're sure doing your homework. I forget in which thread that question came up, but just saw your hat again and was reminded.
Has anyone read Singular's book? I did way back and now someone at another forum says a lot was blacked out of the report on the Santa Bear, that I don't remember reading anything about, which disappeared from the crime scene. Patsy said in an interview she was pretty sure the pageant bear had been a white angel one. She couldn't seem to remember ever seeing the Santa Bear. Someone may have been wrong who said she called it "shabby"? If it's Karr's bear, that's probably place him in Boulder! Why would it disappear if not important, and why would info that's possibly about him be blacked out? Could he be a special agent of some kind, just acting nutty for the heck of it?
Clay Shaw was who the New Orleans DA really did go after (O Stones, 'JFK') in connection with the assassination. he was tied to Ruby and David Ferrie and a whole bunch of people wanting to train Cubans to kill Castro. Which ties in Santos Trafficante, Miami mob boss who was pissed cause Castro took out all the gambling machines in Cuba (owned by the Mafia) in '57. which ties in New Orleans mob boss Carlos Marcello who hated Bobby AND Jack for going after him personally as Senators in 1958, and, as Pres and ATT Gen continued to go after Marcello, AND sleep with the girlfriend of Sam Giancana, the mob boss of Chicago whose MONEY got Jack elected. which ties in the NY mob boss (can't remember which one), which ties in ... J Edgar Hoover, the prissing queen HEAD of the FBI who was also photographed having lunch with said NY mob boss on several occassions because they were "buddies". which loops back to Bobby, and Jack because the only person who hated them as much as Carlos Marcello was JE Hoover because Jack was the ONLY person who could force Hoover to retire when his term ended in January of 1964.
neat how that all loops back on itself. we'd be naive as a country to think that all that neato looping back just fizzled out after that, wouldn't we.
and this is the last off-topic comment i'll make: the Dems are crying about Bush wiretapping phones that might be terrorists as if it's the first time a president or BIG LAW MAN has ever wire tapped an american citizen's phone.
the odds are that Jack and Hoover and Nixon and LBJ and Bobby and Eisenhower and ... EACH tapped ten times the number of phones that W has. and they didn't ask for permission or assistance from the NSA, either. BET THAT.
to maintain TOPIC: so the theory is that Patsy killed JBR in a rage and then they staged a kidnapping? that doesn't work...
narlacat
10-23-2006, 04:14 AM
JFK
This is not the Political Pavillion, that is that way................>
<<to maintain TOPIC: so the theory is that Patsy killed JBR in a rage and then they staged a kidnapping? that doesn't work...>>
It works as good as any.
JMO8778
10-23-2006, 06:21 AM
to maintain TOPIC: so the theory is that Patsy killed JBR in a rage and then they staged a kidnapping? that doesn't work...yes,i beleive one or the other parent most likely killed her,if they didn't then they know who did,(but i think that's a longshot at best).
they needed to divert attention away from the crime scene, as well as appear to not know where JB was.they may have been planning to remove her body from the house but weather,and or fear of being seen or caught stopped them.
Show Me
10-23-2006, 06:52 AM
is that really your signature...? that logic is as compelling as that of the Bible Codes. i'm a true believer of Christ as the Defeater of Death, but i still happen to believe in coincidence, to a point.
you can quite probably find that acronym in every book that's been written, on one page or another. just because it's found in something written by JR makes him part of the ransom note...?
my God, hang him from a tree right away!!!
A poster on FFJ asked us to look for the initials SBTC, like Karr 'supposedly' wrote in the yearbook, it was one of the Ramsey's clues that proved they didn't write the note, Karr did.
But alas John forgot his own book with a damning SBTC in it.
Just a reminder for John.
coloradokares
10-23-2006, 06:16 PM
I just happen to have Presumed Guilty sitting here on my desk what is it you want to know from Singular's Book?
I'm glad to see someone still interested in the great JFK mystery, and I wonder if you saw "Manchurian Candidate" Saturday night. Don't know why that would be on Public TV in the Detroit area. The one with Angela Lansbury and I believe Frank Sinatra. I saw it many years ago so I didn't watch closely this time, but noticed a coincidence. This political subject was named Ray Shaw, and in one of the books about the assasination, there were some New Orleans characters mentioned, one named Clay Shaw. Couldn't mean anything, I'm sure.
If you're following all this stuff you're sure doing your homework. I forget in which thread that question came up, but just saw your hat again and was reminded.
Has anyone read Singular's book? I did way back and now someone at another forum says a lot was blacked out of the report on the Santa Bear, that I don't remember reading anything about, which disappeared from the crime scene. Patsy said in an interview she was pretty sure the pageant bear had been a white angel one. She couldn't seem to remember ever seeing the Santa Bear. Someone may have been wrong who said she called it "shabby"? If it's Karr's bear, that's probably place him in Boulder! Why would it disappear if not important, and why would info that's possibly about him be blacked out? Could he be a special agent of some kind, just acting nutty for the heck of it?
narlacat
10-24-2006, 01:41 AM
I'm glad to see someone still interested in the great JFK mystery, and I wonder if you saw "Manchurian Candidate" Saturday night. Don't know why that would be on Public TV in the Detroit area. The one with Angela Lansbury and I believe Frank Sinatra. I saw it many years ago so I didn't watch closely this time, but noticed a coincidence. This political subject was named Ray Shaw, and in one of the books about the assasination, there were some New Orleans characters mentioned, one named Clay Shaw. Couldn't mean anything, I'm sure.
If you're following all this stuff you're sure doing your homework. I forget in which thread that question came up, but just saw your hat again and was reminded.
Has anyone read Singular's book? I did way back and now someone at another forum says a lot was blacked out of the report on the Santa Bear, that I don't remember reading anything about, which disappeared from the crime scene. Patsy said in an interview she was pretty sure the pageant bear had been a white angel one. She couldn't seem to remember ever seeing the Santa Bear. Someone may have been wrong who said she called it "shabby"? If it's Karr's bear, that's probably place him in Boulder! Why would it disappear if not important, and why would info that's possibly about him be blacked out? Could he be a special agent of some kind, just acting nutty for the heck of it?
Keep on keeping on, some things never change.
Why would anyone still think Karr was in Boulder at the time of JBR's death?
Yeah right, a special agent, what next :rolleyes:
calicocat
10-26-2006, 07:55 PM
Why did John Ramsey place a scarf in JonBenet's casket? I can understand the cat, tiara and bracelet, but what does a scarf have to do with anything? (I know that Patsy gave their male friends scarfs for Christmas.)
yes,i beleive one or the other parent most likely killed her,if they didn't then they know who did,(but i think that's a longshot at best).
they needed to divert attention away from the crime scene, as well as appear to not know where JB was.they may have been planning to remove her body from the house but weather,and or fear of being seen or caught stopped them.
having just finished Thomas' book, and read his theory about PR doing this on her own without John's knowledge (before the fact, anyway) i'm open to this possibility now. The pineapple convinces me as well as the note, if not moreso. The note is more easily explained away than the pineapple. Well, maybe...
I just happen to have Presumed Guilty sitting here on my desk what is it you want to know from Singular's Book?
Can't remember if i've read Presumed Guilty - don't think so. What's the premise and theory...? (i'm assuming this is a JFK related tome?) Is it any good?
Oh, never mind. That's the Ramsey's posture. I was through the first chapter and discovered Thomas' book. Guess i'll go finish PG now, if i can stomach it.
Why doesn't he just write one entitled "Ok, Here's What Happened" ...
A poster on FFJ asked us to look for the initials SBTC, like Karr 'supposedly' wrote in the yearbook, it was one of the Ramsey's clues that proved they didn't write the note, Karr did.
But alas John forgot his own book with a damning SBTC in it.
Just a reminder for John.
I'm sorry. do WHAT? i didn't understand a single syllable of that.
what are all the theories on SBTC? if PR did write the letter, she wouldn't have just made up some random acronym, would she?
the fact that John's bible was open to the Psalm whose four verses form the acronym CTBS on his desk, IF THAT'S A FACT, is most intriguing to me (as regards this topic).
although i have to admit, as lunatic as Karr is (lunacy runs from his eyes like snot), that 'Shall Be The Conqueror" in his yearbook, if not a hoax (i haven't missed something, have i?) is awfully ODD.
LinasK
10-26-2006, 08:56 PM
although i have to admit, as lunatic as Karr is (lunacy runs from his eyes like snot), that 'Shall Be The Conqueror" in his yearbook, if not a hoax (i haven't missed something, have i?) is awfully ODD.
Nah, it's pure coincidence, it actually said:"I Shall Be The Conqueror".
It's also been speculated that S.B.T.C. means Star Base Technical Command- John was a Trekkie, or Subic Bay Training Center. There are many alternatives for S.B.T.C. and we have many threads on it in the archives...
Nah, it's pure coincidence, it actually said:"I Shall Be The Conqueror".
It's also been speculated that S.B.T.C. means Star Base Technical Command- John was a Trekkie, or Subic Bay Training Center. There are many alternatives for S.B.T.C. and we have many threads on it in the archives...
i forgot about that. I was at Subic Bay for six weeks. Star Base is a little "creative" from someone who should not be allowed to think on their own.
even if it IS "I Shall Be TC..." it's still quite a coincidence, all things considered. even if it's JUST a coincidence... i'd like to hear the odds - same person, YEARS AND MILES APART, connected to both otherwise completely unconnected events. wow...
yeah, i still am behind the Ramsey's guilt. the three factors that do it for me are the pineapple (and the lies), her wearing the same clothes (an the lies) and the note (the lie is a given about the note. to confess to the note is to confess to all of it. the lies about the clothing and the pineapple make no sense if they're not guilty).
coloradokares
10-26-2006, 09:56 PM
It has more to do with the pedophile or sexual abuse aspects. EWWWWWW
Can't remember if i've read Presumed Guilty - don't think so. What's the premise and theory...? (i'm assuming this is a JFK related tome?) Is it any good?
Oh, never mind. That's the Ramsey's posture. I was through the first chapter and discovered Thomas' book. Guess i'll go finish PG now, if i can stomach it.
Why doesn't he just write one entitled "Ok, Here's What Happened" ...
yes, i remembered (better remembered) after i posted. i did read the first chapt. of it a few months ago. didn't get to where he was taking me, but it seems to be catching on as a theory...
many people stating that the evidence points to the R's guilt, when it seems to me that the evidence points to the R's knowledge more clearly than actual guilt. in other words, it's pretty obvious they KNOW something, and it's still POSSIBLE that there was someone else in on it. of course, it's MORE possible that the R's did it, but there's still room for this Child Porn theory. there's even still room for a lot of things, and there's obviously MUCH LESS room for an "intruder", meaning someone there uninvited.
It has more to do with the pedophile or sexual abuse aspects. EWWWWWW
coloradokares
10-26-2006, 11:50 PM
Its past time to sort it out that is what is sure. I lean towards the evidence suggesting the Ramseys are under that old Parasol of Persecution for some very compelling reasons. If they are innocent they had adequate time to prove that. Had they truly cooperated from the very beginning making themselves available this would have been over and resolved long ago. Now we must seek diligently for the Governor of my state, Colorado to appoint an Office of Special Prosecutor. Time for guilt laden confessions on the part of the Ramseys or anyone else have passed. It is our responsibility to arrest, bring to trial and convict who killed JonBenet. The evidence is there. If one would remove all politics and legal evading of the issues. If our DA's would not be insistent on airtight or confession we'd of resolved this long ago. Let take it to trial and let the jury decide.
yes, i remembered (better remembered) after i posted. i did read the first chapt. of it a few months ago. didn't get to where he was taking me, but it seems to be catching on as a theory...
many people stating that the evidence points to the R's guilt, when it seems to me that the evidence points to the R's knowledge more clearly than actual guilt. in other words, it's pretty obvious they KNOW something, and it's still POSSIBLE that there was someone else in on it. of course, it's MORE possible that the R's did it, but there's still room for this Child Porn theory. there's even still room for a lot of things, and there's obviously MUCH LESS room for an "intruder", meaning someone there uninvited.
JMO8778
10-27-2006, 12:49 AM
yes, i remembered (better remembered) after i posted. i did read the first chapt. of it a few months ago. didn't get to where he was taking me, but it seems to be catching on as a theory...
many people stating that the evidence points to the R's guilt, when it seems to me that the evidence points to the R's knowledge more clearly than actual guilt. in other words, it's pretty obvious they KNOW something, and it's still POSSIBLE that there was someone else in on it. of course, it's MORE possible that the R's did it, but there's still room for this Child Porn theory. there's even still room for a lot of things, and there's obviously MUCH LESS room for an "intruder", meaning someone there uninvited.I discount intruder,but if there was another or others involved,it seems to more likely be someone they let in themselves.I find it odd the neighbor saw someone that looked like JAR walking up to the house that day.Whether it was him or not,it was someone.
Show Me
10-27-2006, 06:58 PM
I'm sorry. do WHAT? i didn't understand a single syllable of that.
Sorry...a poster on another forum asked if we could find the initials SBTC in some other sentences...at the time people were saying Karr killed JonBenet and part of the proof was his use of the initials SBTC.
I looked in Death of Innocence (the book John and Patsy wrote) and found a sentence from John which used the initials SBTC.
Show Me
10-27-2006, 07:00 PM
Its past time to sort it out that is what is sure. I lean towards the evidence suggesting the Ramseys are under that old Parasol of Persecution for some very compelling reasons. If they are innocent they had adequate time to prove that. Had they truly cooperated from the very beginning making themselves available this would have been over and resolved long ago. Now we must seek diligently for the Governor of my state, Colorado to appoint an Office of Special Prosecutor. Time for guilt laden confessions on the part of the Ramseys or anyone else have passed. It is our responsibility to arrest, bring to trial and convict who killed JonBenet. The evidence is there. If one would remove all politics and legal evading of the issues. If our DA's would not be insistent on airtight or confession we'd of resolved this long ago. Let take it to trial and let the jury decide.
I liked to see that happen coloradokares, but I just don't think anyone in authority in Colorado cares....especially the Governor. All he does is rant and rave and then gently reprimand the Boulder DA's office.
JMO8778
10-27-2006, 09:37 PM
Why did John Ramsey place a scarf in JonBenet's casket? I can understand the cat, tiara and bracelet, but what does a scarf have to do with anything? (I know that Patsy gave their male friends scarfs for Christmas.)I don't think it's truly known,unless he was just looking for something that started with an S,to represent sbtc inside the casket.
coloradokares
10-28-2006, 02:08 AM
John had received a scarf as one of the last gifts he had gotten from his daughter Beth just before her death in the fatal car accident. It became a treasure to him. It was Red and Black. For Christmas in96 the Ramseys gave out red scarves as gifts. I am not sure it was Patsy that was behind that. Or John or simply both. However the significance of a scarf a red silk one to be placed into the casket with JonBenet seems stange. However I don't want to put more strange significance to that than belongs. It may just be that is one of those things only John Ramsey knows. I don't think it's truly known,unless he was just looking for something that started with an S,to represent sbtc inside the casket.
SuperDave
10-28-2006, 01:51 PM
Its past time to sort it out that is what is sure. I lean towards the evidence suggesting the Ramseys are under that old Parasol of Persecution for some very compelling reasons. If they are innocent they had adequate time to prove that. Had they truly cooperated from the very beginning making themselves available this would have been over and resolved long ago.
No kidding! I love that bit about how the Ramseys were persecuted. Please! They had MAP-Mutually Assured Protection. The DA's office was in sync with Hal Haddon's office. Mutually Assured Protection!
Now we must seek diligently for the Governor of my state, Colorado to appoint an Office of Special Prosecutor. Time for guilt laden confessions on the part of the Ramseys or anyone else have passed. It is our responsibility to arrest, bring to trial and convict who killed JonBenet. The evidence is there. If one would remove all politics and legal evading of the issues. If our DA's would not be insistent on airtight or confession we'd of resolved this long ago.
You just nailed it.
Let take it to trial and let the jury decide.
John would be lucky if the jury didn't hang him right there in the courtroom.
kaykay
10-28-2006, 04:36 PM
The whole ransom note/letter was a lie, Patsy made the whole thing up.
I wonder why she would even think she needed to sign the note?
How often are ransom notes signed?
I think SBTC was just more of PR's dramatics.
kaykay :twocents:
Just my opinion
rashomon
10-28-2006, 05:12 PM
The whole ransom note/letter was a lie, Patsy made the whole thing up.
I wonder why she would even think she needed to sign the note?
How often are ransom notes signed?
I think SBTC was just more of PR's dramatics.
kaykay :twocents:
Just my opinion
I too think STBC was just another of Patsy's dramatics consistent with her habit of writing acronyms.
Countless interpretations of 'SBTC' have been posted on the internet, the gamut ranging from the sarcastic 'South Boulder Tennis Club', to 'Saved By The Cross' pointing to Patsy's Christian faith.
Jmpo, but I don't believe 'SBTC' actually meant anything specific.
Quite the contrary - I think that Patsy deliberately put a totally senseless succession of letters in the ransom note to create a red herring: investigators should rack their brains and waste their time trying to find out a possible meaning which didn't exist.
miss plum
10-28-2006, 07:44 PM
Shielded By The Cops
narlacat
10-28-2006, 07:56 PM
I too think STBC was just another of Patsy's dramatics consistent with her habit of writing acronyms.
Countless interpretations of 'SBTC' have been posted on the internet, the gamut ranging from the sarcastic 'South Boulder Tennis Club', to 'Saved By The Cross' pointing to Patsy's Christian faith.
Jmpo, but I don't believe 'SBTC' actually meant anything specific.
Quite the contrary - I think that Patsy deliberately put a totally senseless succession of letters in the ransom note to create a red herring: investigators should rack their brains and waste their time trying to find out a possible meaning which didn't exist.
Yep, that's what I think too.
Either that or PR couldn't help herself, saved by the cross.
Eagle1
10-29-2006, 11:44 AM
John had received a scarf as one of the last gifts he had gotten from his daughter Beth just before her death in the fatal car accident. It became a treasure to him. It was Red and Black. For Christmas in96 the Ramseys gave out red scarves as gifts. I am not sure it was Patsy that was behind that. Or John or simply both. However the significance of a scarf a red silk one to be placed into the casket with JonBenet seems stange. However I don't want to put more strange significance to that than belongs. It may just be that is one of those things only John Ramsey knows.
Why red? I never heard that one before. At least it wasn't yellow, which I believe I've heard is a Kali or Thugee trademark.
Well, a scarf is something easy to put into a casket with the other things. No reason that's at all obvious.
SuperDave
10-30-2006, 11:39 AM
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