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Toltec
01-24-2004, 07:34 PM
Okay guys, I'm stumped.

Who was Patsy Ramsey's best friend? Priscilla White? Barbara Fernie? Pam Griffin? Linda Hoffman Pugh?

Who do you talk to when you are having problems with sex in the bedroom? Your housekeeper or your best friend?

Ramseys have referred to the Fernies and Whites as close friends but not best friends??? What is wrong with this picture?

BlueCrab
01-24-2004, 07:51 PM
Okay guys, I'm stumped.

Who was Patsy Ramsey's best friend? Priscilla White? Barbara Fernie? Pam Griffin? Linda Hoffman Pugh?

Who do you talk to when you are having problems with sex in the bedroom? Your housekeeper or your best friend?

Ramseys have referred to the Fernies and Whites as close friends but not best friends??? What is wrong with this picture?


It's interesting you left Susan Stine off the list.

JMO

Ivy
01-24-2004, 08:35 PM
I understand that the Stines and the Ramseys weren't close friends until after JonBenet's death.

Toth
01-24-2004, 08:42 PM
LHP was not a friend or confidante or nanny, she was a part-time housekeeper.

Ivy
01-24-2004, 08:48 PM
LHP was probably just the right person for Patsy to confide in when it came to matters she didn't want her "close friends" to know about, gossip about among themselves, or blab to other people in their circle.

Imon128
01-24-2004, 08:55 PM
Patsy was/is probably Patsy's best friend. All others were/are probably those whom she used to maintain her best friendship with herself. Tight, Patsy and Patsy, real tight friendship. Poor JonBenet was supposed to be on that friendship list, but she's gone and can't tell us how that worked. Hmm.

Britt
01-24-2004, 09:16 PM
LHP was probably just the right person for Patsy to confide in when it came to matters she didn't want her "close friends" to know about, gossip about among themselves, or blab to other people in their circle.
Exactly, Ivy.


Patsy was/is probably Patsy's best friend. All others were/are probably those whom she used to maintain her best friendship with herself. Tight, Patsy and Patsy, real tight friendship.
Exactly, Imon.

Well said, both of you. A friend is only as good as what you can use 'em for, eh Pats? Including the Stine thing. And including JonBenet.

Imon128
01-24-2004, 09:22 PM
Britt... :)

Poor JB, being Patsy's best friend. A fatal friendship it seems. If only JB could speak to her 'best friend' to let her know that the world will be a better place once JB's case is solved. What 's that old saying? With a friend like you (collectively and not anybody here, of course) who needs an enemy. Sigh.

tipper
01-24-2004, 10:14 PM
I would guess her sisters were most likely to be the ones she confided in.

BrotherMoon
01-25-2004, 12:37 AM
Patsy was having sex trouble? What kind, where did you here that?

Patsy might have confided in JonBenet as Sibyl's mother did.

Shylock
01-25-2004, 02:05 AM
I would guess her sisters were most likely to be the ones she confided in.Especially now, since Patsy and Pam fit into the same clothes!....LOL

Nedthan Johns
01-25-2004, 04:09 AM
Patsy's best friend?

The foreign DNA found in JB's panties LOL

Nehemiah
01-25-2004, 08:02 AM
Perhaps she didn't have a "best" friend, but several "close" friends. I say that because I don't have a best friend, but several close ones. Depending upon what I want to confide or seek advice, is with whom I share with which friend.

I can see Patsy talking about sex to LHP. I can also see her considering her sisters as possibly best friends, if she indeed had one. Or, maybe her "best" friend lived in Atlanta, and they just saw one another occasionally.

I think women's friendships can be very complex, and no one "standard" suits all women.

Britt
01-25-2004, 01:09 PM
Patsy's best friend?

The foreign DNA found in JB's panties LOL
:clap: lol... Ain't that the truth!

SisterSocks
01-25-2004, 04:00 PM
Patsy was/is probably Patsy's best friend. All others were/are probably those whom she used to maintain her best friendship with herself. Tight, Patsy and Patsy, real tight friendship. Poor JonBenet was supposed to be on that friendship list, but she's gone and can't tell us how that worked. Hmm.


Hi Imon ,

Do you think Patsy Killed Jon Benet ?

popcorn
01-25-2004, 04:20 PM
Priscilla White was a friend of convenience, if the kids weren't in the picture their paths wouldn't have crossed. I love the story Patsy tells of going to the White's for Christmas dinner because it was 'tradition'. They happened to have shared the previous year Christmas dinner together, that's it, only one. I don't think that makes it a tradition. Poor Priscilla had a house full of out of town family, that was likely her 'tradition' and Patsy possibly conned her into an invitation to add her family. Frankly, I think Patsy was too much of a lazy slob to cook, I've never heard a single mention of her having any culinary skill (what with LHP having to heat up spaghettios for JonBenet and put the lid back on the peanut butter) It's not like Priscilla went out of her way to entertain the Ramseys, she serve leftovers from the night before when they really celebrated and any other items served must have been as exciiting as beans on toast as the Ramseys don't remember diddly.

Pam Griffin and LHP were hired hands.

Probably Nedra was her true confidant. They had the same goal$, ideal$, and value$, and were obsessed with pageants

tipper
01-25-2004, 05:02 PM
I can't find where Patsy says it was a 'tradition' to go to the Whites. In DOI John says they had eaten together last Christmas so it was 'beginning to feel like a new tradition.' I know I've read a fuller description of the White's dinner (tables set up throughout the living and dining rooms etc) but can't find it at the moment. My recollection is that it was more than a 'leftovers at the White's' kind of evening.

As far as culinary skills go - Patsy says she isn't a cook. I'm not sure why that makes her a lazy slob. I'm not a cook either and I don't hesitate to tell people that. I have other strengths and interests that offset my lack of interest in cooking. I think you may be stretching to find negative things to say about Patsy.

Blazeboy3
01-27-2004, 05:19 AM
Patsy was/is probably Patsy's best friend. All others were/are probably those whom she used to maintain her best friendship with herself. Tight, Patsy and Patsy, real tight friendship. Poor JonBenet was supposed to be on that friendship list, but she's gone and can't tell us how that worked. Hmm.


Imon:I agree (Patsy:Me/Myself/I)FWIW! Patsy is HE(R) own bestfriend in this lifetime FWIW FYI...LOL!

Just finished reading "J"ourney "B"eyond "R"eason (JBR) ...it's a MUST-READ for insight/knowlege(?) :) :) :blowkiss: :croc: IMHO!~FWIW ?!

http://pub165.ezboard.com/fcrimeandjustice13552frm78.showMessage?topicID=262 .topic


No, I didn't know them, but I have been just as exposed to their very public interviews as the rest of the free world who chose to watch them. You don't hire a Public Relation Consultant if you are not trying to influence the public (of which I am one).

You don't write a book about how you perceive the injustices heaped upon you if you're not trying to turn the tide of public perception that you were involved in the death of your child. Thatís fair enough.

Quote Source:
http://denver.rockymountainnews....ook7.shtml/
"One of the accusations that had been leveled against Patsy and me was, "If the Ramseys are innocent, why wouldn't they agree to appear before the grand jury?" The truth was that we had done everything we knew how to do to get the prosecutors to subpoena us so we could testify.
We wanted to testify. They wouldn't allow it. Throughout the process, we had been excluded from testifying by the prosecutors who were running the hearing. We were never called and are not sure why. Now we saw ourselves confronted with the prospect of a dead investigation, financial devastation, standing trial for murder as well as passing on a blighted family reputation to our children and grandchildren. During these last days, I realized how the entire process had squeezed the innocence out of Patsy and me. On the morning of Dec. 26, 1996, we were typical Americans who believed that America was a great country, and we had been blessed by its bounty. In our view, the guilty always went to jail and the innocent didn't. How naive we were! The song that JonBenet used to sing, God Bless America, was now forever tainted and overshadowed by what we had learned about the potential injustice in this land. When an innocent child is killed in her own house and the response of the justice system is as defective as it had been in JonBenet's case, hope dies as well. A killer, compounded by a defective police department, a rampant Internet gossip system and an irresponsible news industry willing to print and say anything that makes a story, had destroyed our dreams for the future. Our innocence had died." End Quote John Ramsey DOI

Honeybee
01-29-2004, 09:27 PM
I can't find where Patsy says it was a 'tradition' to go to the Whites. In DOI John says they had eaten together last Christmas so it was 'beginning to feel like a new tradition.' I know I've read a fuller description of the White's dinner (tables set up throughout the living and dining rooms etc) but can't find it at the moment. My recollection is that it was more than a 'leftovers at the White's' kind of evening.

As far as culinary skills go - Patsy says she isn't a cook. I'm not sure why that makes her a lazy slob. I'm not a cook either and I don't hesitate to tell people that. I have other strengths and interests that offset my lack of interest in cooking. I think you may be stretching to find negative things to say about Patsy.

I agree with you Tipper. I think many people may be stretching to find negative things to say about Patsy, i.e. her taste in decorating, her weight gain (which, I believe was the result of medications) etc. She didn't have to be a good housekeeper--that's what she had that Hoffman-Pugh woman for. She didn't have to cook--she was wealthy enough to have anything she wished to have catered. A lot of people on the forums can't accept the fact that the Ramseys had more money than they have. It has nothing to do with whether or not they are involved in the death of JBR. If it has to do with Patsy, it is automatically bad.

In another post, someone mentioned that the Ramseys hired a PR firm. They did not. The Haddon law firm hired a PR firm because their staff could not handle the many calls, letters, etc. they were receiving about this case.

tipper
01-29-2004, 09:42 PM
You should post more often, Honeybee. :)

shamu
01-30-2004, 12:07 AM
I agree with Tipper on this one. Could Patsy cook? Who cares?

Shylock
01-30-2004, 01:20 AM
It has nothing to do with whether or not they are involved in the death of JBR. If it has to do with Patsy, it is automatically bad.
HUH? It has EVERYTHING to do with the death of JBR. If one of the three Ramseys hadn't killed her, none of us would even know who "the Ramseys" are.
As far as people's comments about Patsy, you'll find that people don't have much good to say about O.J. either.



imo

twilight
01-30-2004, 02:30 PM
Patsy's 1996 Xmas letter begins:

"Dear Friends and Family,"

Towards the end she confides the following:

"On a recent trip to NYC, my friend and I appeared amid the throng of fans on the TODAY show."

Who was this friend? You would have to assume (as the author) when writing a statement like this that many of the letter recipients might well have seen this episode of the TODAY show, right? So why not name the friend? After all, this letter was written well before any media attention, and sent to those close to Patsy - friends and family. Why the mystery? Anybody know how to find out who the 'friend' was? There's a tape somewhere and it might be important.

popcorn
01-30-2004, 03:09 PM
21 Q. The first trip, who was that trip
22 with?
23 A. The first trip was a
24 mother-daughter trip with my mother Nedra
25 Paugh, my sister Pam Paugh, friends Susan

79
1 F**** from Charlevoix, Michigan, and her
2 daughter and a friend of Susan's, Ms.
3 K****** I believe was her name, and her
4 daughter, and JonBenet and myself.

Patsy especially doesn't want to remember this shopping companion's name now as it's very possible the size 12 panties were borrowed from her daughter.

twilight
01-30-2004, 03:17 PM
21 Q. The first trip, who was that trip
22 with?
23 A. The first trip was a
24 mother-daughter trip with my mother Nedra
25 Paugh, my sister Pam Paugh, friends Susan

79
1 F**** from Charlevoix, Michigan, and her
2 daughter and a friend of Susan's, Ms.
3 K****** I believe was her name, and her
4 daughter, and JonBenet and myself.

Patsy especially doesn't want to remember this shopping companion's name now as it's very possible the size 12 panties were borrowed from her daughter.

What's this part of the National Enquirer testimony? I say again, why no name? If it was one of these people, why no name? If it was all of them, why no 's'? And if it was Nedra, Pam or JB, why not say so? The fact that there was a group...if in fact there was...{{nothing against the NE, BUT...}} why would you select one of that group to be 'my friend.' In possessing one friend, you dispossess the others. Do that often and there won't be a 'my friend.' I still think we need to see that tape.

Toltec
01-30-2004, 05:13 PM
Priscilla White was a friend of convenience, if the kids weren't in the picture their paths wouldn't have crossed. I love the story Patsy tells of going to the White's for Christmas dinner because it was 'tradition'. They happened to have shared the previous year Christmas dinner together, that's it, only one. I don't think that makes it a tradition. Poor Priscilla had a house full of out of town family, that was likely her 'tradition' and Patsy possibly conned her into an invitation to add her family. Frankly, I think Patsy was too much of a lazy slob to cook, I've never heard a single mention of her having any culinary skill (what with LHP having to heat up spaghettios for JonBenet and put the lid back on the peanut butter) It's not like Priscilla went out of her way to entertain the Ramseys, she serve leftovers from the night before when they really celebrated and any other items served must have been as exciiting as beans on toast as the Ramseys don't remember diddly.

Pam Griffin and LHP were hired hands.

Probably Nedra was her true confidant. They had the same goal$, ideal$, and value$, and were obsessed with pageants

The only mention of "best friend" was in Steve's book. He talks about how Patsy came about to name JonBenet...her best friend's daughters had "french" names.

Patsy does not view people...friend or foe...as people. They are objects to her. She uses all people for her own selfish reasons and if they let her down...they no longer exist. Classical Borderline Personality Disorder.

JonBenet was an object to Patsy...an object that made Patsy look good. A beautiful child that would compliment Patsy...

The reason Patsy goes on with her life and "coping" is because JonBenet is no longer physically present therefore Patsy is able to convince herself that JonBenet never existed.

The above is my opinion and therefore cannot be copied or quoted on any other forum.

tipper
01-30-2004, 05:36 PM
If Patsy were a classic borderline personality wouldn't we have many, many examples of friends she actively 'flipped' on? For the most part (not forgetting Ms Phillips (speaking of people who 'flip')) friends either don't discuss her (Whites/Fernies) or they say positive things ("B"/Valerie Voss from CNN.)

Imon128
01-30-2004, 05:57 PM
Didn't Patsy 'flip' on an attorney during/after a case where Patsy was a juror, regarding some dental info, or some such situation? (this was prior to JB's death)

Nehemiah
01-30-2004, 06:10 PM
If Patsy were a classic borderline personality wouldn't we have many, many examples of friends she actively 'flipped' on? For the most part (not forgetting Ms Phillips (speaking of people who 'flip')) friends either don't discuss her (Whites/Fernies) or they say positive things ("B"/Valerie Voss from CNN.)

Tipper, who is "B"/Valerie Voss from CNN? Is this the "B" on the forums?

tipper
01-30-2004, 07:26 PM
B is the one from the forums who lives in Chx. Valerie Voss is the weather woman on CNN. I heard her saying one day several years ago that they were friends, what a nice family they were and their friendship was one of the reasons the Ramseys chose CNN because if Voss was there they wouldn't feel like they were in the midst of strangers. (or words to that effect.)

popcorn
01-30-2004, 07:30 PM
Speaking of friends, is it not odd we haven't heard much from high school buddies, old boy friends, college roomates, and the like.

Toltec
02-02-2004, 08:59 PM
If Patsy were a classic borderline personality wouldn't we have many, many examples of friends she actively 'flipped' on? For the most part (not forgetting Ms Phillips (speaking of people who 'flip')) friends either don't discuss her (Whites/Fernies) or they say positive things ("B"/Valerie Voss from CNN.)

I do recall a story in which a person working with Patsy critiqued Patsy's work and Patsy did not speak to her for over a year.

Borderlines cannot take any type of criticism, constructive or not. Patsy is a user, clear and simple. She uses people for personal and social gain. Do you not recall the Ramseys changing churches because the new church had members who were more financially well-off?

Patsy changed her children's school because it was a school for "special" children...smarter and well-off? Remember how Nedra complained about a certain child who was not as smart and who squandered the teachers time?

Patsy does not and possibly never has done anything spontaneously. Her mind is a calculating one...how much she and her family could gain from her actions or inactions.

Patsy is not Miss Perfect former West Virginia...far from that.