We channel special on Jonbenet's murdrer

[Anniegirl]

http://www.we-womensentertainment.com/section?CID=key%3D1%26tzOffset%3D0

I watched this special last night, it was very interesting and up to date even as far as reporting Patsy's death in June and John Mark Karr fiasco in August.

It's chilling seeing some of Smitt's evidence and how very well lays out the fact that indeed it was possible that an intruder couldve gotten in the house- the way the guest room bed ruffle was disturbed as if someone had been under the bed, the unexplained rope in the guest room ( a room next to Jonbenet's bedroom) the view of the garage from the bedroom window;to see when the Ramsey's arrived home-

I found it interesting, too ,that the suitcase in the basement , the one by the window , fibers from inside that suitcase match fibers found on Jonbenets clothing, hinting Smit believes the intruder tried to get Jonbenet out that window in that suitcase and he believes couldnt therefore leaving her there to assualt and murder.

Im wondering did anyone else see this program? Not sure when it comes back on, but i'm sure it will again soon.. here's link to the program on We channel.

http://www.we-womensentertainment.com/section?CID=key%3D1%26tzOffset%3D0

[narlacat]

http://www.we-womensentertainment.com/section?CID=key%3D1%26tzOffset%3D0

I watched this special last night, it was very interesting and up to date even as far as reporting Patsy's death in June and John Mark Karr fiasco in August.

It's chilling seeing some of Smitt's evidence and how very well lays out the fact that indeed it was possible that an intruder couldve gotten in the house- the way the guest room bed ruffle was disturbed as if someone had been under the bed, the unexplained rope in the guest room ( a room next to Jonbenet's bedroom) the view of the garage from the bedroom window;to see when the Ramsey's arrived home-

I found it interesting, too ,that the suitcase in the basement , the one by the window , fibers from inside that suitcase match fibers found on Jonbenets clothing, hinting Smit believes the intruder tried to get Jonbenet out that window in that suitcase and he believes couldnt therefore leaving her there to assualt and murder.

Im wondering did anyone else see this program? Not sure when it comes back on, but i'm sure it will again soon.. here's link to the program on We channel.

http://www.we-womensentertainment.com/section?CID=key%3D1%26tzOffset%3D0
Yep chilling alright, leaves me cold.

Smit was old and trying to hold onto his glory days.

He should be ashamed of himself, to have allowed himself to be duped like he was.

[cynpat2000]

I live on the east coast and it comes on tonite at 8 pm . Thanks for the heads up, ill be sure to check it out.:)

[angelwngs]

Yep, I saw it. It is so very sad that there are so many names in the hat who should accept blame for a 'one sided, tunnel vision investigation' and for a multitude of Boulder Blunders......................:(

[Tricia]

http://www.we-womensentertainment.com/section?CID=key%3D1%26tzOffset%3D0

I watched this special last night, it was very interesting and up to date even as far as reporting Patsy's death in June and John Mark Karr fiasco in August.

It's chilling seeing some of Smitt's evidence and how very well lays out the fact that indeed it was possible that an intruder couldve gotten in the house- the way the guest room bed ruffle was disturbed as if someone had been under the bed, the unexplained rope in the guest room ( a room next to Jonbenet's bedroom) the view of the garage from the bedroom window;to see when the Ramsey's arrived home-

I found it interesting, too ,that the suitcase in the basement , the one by the window , fibers from inside that suitcase match fibers found on Jonbenets clothing, hinting Smit believes the intruder tried to get Jonbenet out that window in that suitcase and he believes couldnt therefore leaving her there to assualt and murder.

Im wondering did anyone else see this program? Not sure when it comes back on, but i'm sure it will again soon.. here's link to the program on We channel.

http://www.we-womensentertainment.com/section?CID=key%3D1%26tzOffset%3D0

Smit has nothing to back up his "evidence" but his delusions. The man needs help.

Please, don't believe things unless it is backed up by fact.

Fact: No stun gun
Fact: No one could have slipped through the window without disturbing all the dirt in the window well.

I could go on and on but the FACT is, Smit is not telling the truth. I don't know why other than his ego will not let him admit he was wrong.

Back to the basics. Have we cleared everyone in the house yet? Nope. Let's do that first then we can move on.

[Tricia]

Let me guess. Lou Smit DID NOT mention John's fiber's being found in JonBenet's underwear did he?

Fibers from John's shirt were found inside JBS underpants - this is very damaging evidence.

8-29-00 John Ramsey videotaped interview, Source: http://www.acandyrose.com/atl2000-i...john-ramsey.txt


7 Q. (By Mr. Levin) I've got some
8 questions, Mr. Ramsey, that deal with fiber
9 evidence, and this is probably going to be
10 questions that your lawyer is going to advise
11 you not to answer, but I would like to pose
12 them to you.
...
21 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Mr. Ramsey, it is
22 our belief based on forensic evidence that
23 there are hairs that are associated, that the
24 source is the collared black shirt that you
25 sent us that are found in your daughter's
0058
1 underpants, and I wondered if you --
2 A. Bull****. I don't believe that.
3 I don't buy it. If you are trying to
4 disgrace my relationship with my daughter --
5 Q. Mr. Ramsey, I am not trying to
6 disgrace --
7 A. Well, I don't believe it. I
8 think you are. That's disgusting.

[Tricia]

And I bet Lou Smit did not mention the fact that fibers from Patsy's jacket were found intertwined in the rope around JBR's neck...

3 MR. LEVIN: I think that is
4 probably fair. Based on the state of the
5 art scientific testing, we believe the fibers
6 from her jacket were found in the paint
7 tray, were found tied into the ligature found
8 on JonBenet's neck, were found on the blanket
9 that she is wrapped in, were found on the
10 duct tape that is found on the mouth, and
11 the question is, can she explain to us how
12 those fibers appeared in those places that
13 are associated with her daughter's death.
14 And I understand you are not going to answer
15 those.
16 MR. WOOD: Right. Not, not

[Tricia]

As soon as Lou Smit has the common decency to discuss ALL the evidence then I will listen to him. Otherwise he ranks up there with other people who try to protect baby killers in my opinion.

[cynpat2000]

As soon as Lou Smit has the common decency to discuss ALL the evidence then I will listen to him. Otherwise he ranks up there with other people who try to protect baby killers in my opinion. Amen!!!!! There is no evidence of an intruder whatsoever. I used to be IDI but once you read the facts, there is no way an intruder killed jonbenet and that smit is truly blind to the facts.

[Rupert]

So, were the exact same fibres on JonBenet also found in the suitcase? Is that for real?

What would that mean?

[coloradokares]

Well what would it say if the Duvet cover that was in the suitcase had John Andrews semen on it? I suppose that wasn't mentioned? I missed the program cause I frankly didn't buy the last Tracey Smit ahem documentary.
So, were the exact same fibres on JonBenet also found in the suitcase? Is that for real?

What would that mean?

[Tricia]

Well what would it say if the Duvet cover that was in the suitcase had John Andrews semen on it? I suppose that wasn't mentioned? I missed the program cause I frankly didn't buy the last Tracey Smit ahem documentary.

Ok, my memory might be way off on this but here goes.

I do believe the semen on the blanket did belong to John Andrew.

It means NOTHING. The suitcase had nothing to do with the crime and you can't date the seman other than to say it wasn't "fresh." Meaning it had dried.

Look. Use your imagination. I don't need to paint the picture. It was a blanket that at some point in his life John Andrew used and it ended up in the suitcase.

Rupert wrote:
So, were the exact same fibres on JonBenet also found in the suitcase? Is that for real?

What would that mean?

IF the exact same fibers on JBR were also in the suitcase, which I have never heard before, then it means that John's shirt came in contact with the suitcase...again...has nothing to do with the crime.

[Tricia]

Let's remember the following.

*Locked House.

*Child taken from her room and found dead in the basement in an obscure room.

*Pad, pen and paper taken from Ramsey kitchen used to write the ransom note.

*Parents lied about Burke being on the 911 call.

*Parents did not wake up Burke and asked him if he heard anything.

*No strong forensic or physical evidence to even SUGGEST anyone else was in the house that night.

This is just the tip of a very looooong list that points to someone in the house and points very faaaar away from an intruder.

Can anyone here actually say everyone in the house has been cleared? You can't.

[LinasK]

Smit has nothing to back up his "evidence" but his delusions. The man needs help.

Please, don't believe things unless it is backed up by fact.


Fact: No one could have slipped through the window without disturbing all the dirt in the window well.

I could go on and on but the FACT is, Smit is not telling the truth. I don't know why other than his ego will not let him admit he was wrong.

Back to the basics. Have we cleared everyone in the house yet? Nope. Let's do that first then we can move on.
Don't forget the unbroken spider web on that window!

[Tricia]

Anniegirl,

Please don't feel like we are jumping on you for what you posted.

The only thing I want to see is the truth and Smit does not speak the truth. He doesn't use facts.

If he can back up what he says with solid information then I'll listen to him.

By the way, did you notice how they cut Smit from going through the window to his feet touching the floor. They did not show the whole process of him going through the window. You have to ask yourself why.

[SuperDave]

Some devastating combo attacks by Tricia!

[santos1014]

I watched that show. The only thing that I am concerned about, and am so curious about, are the marks that he states are stun gun marks. I do not believe that is what they are, but unsure what they could be. I have read many comments on the marks here, still not convinced that they are anything but marks that occurred during the staging. They almost look like healing chicken pox marks that will bruise at times. shrug, just something that popped into my head when I saw them. My youngest daughter was covered in marks just like that when her chicken pox were healing. Her doctor said it was just a freakish thing that happens sometimes during healing.

I know. I know. JB wasn't just recovering from the chicken pox-just an observation on my part.

[Jay78]

one point that i was clear on as well is the 911 tape. I have heard arguements both way about whether burke's voice can be heard at the end of the tape. I have yet to get a definitive answer..

[Tricia]

I watched that show. The only thing that I am concerned about, and am so curious about, are the marks that he states are stun gun marks. I do not believe that is what they are, but unsure what they could be. I have read many comments on the marks here, still not convinced that they are anything but marks that occurred during the staging. They almost look like healing chicken pox marks that will bruise at times. shrug, just something that popped into my head when I saw them. My youngest daughter was covered in marks just like that when her chicken pox were healing. Her doctor said it was just a freakish thing that happens sometimes during healing.

I know. I know. JB wasn't just recovering from the chicken pox-just an observation on my part.


Hi Santos1014. Please read this and you will understand that the "stun gun" is just a myth created by Team Ramsey.
http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4708

If they wanted to prove that a stun gun was used all they would have to do, to this day, is exhume JonBenet. Her parents refuse.

Ask yourself, would you refuse to exhume a loved one when by doing so you would be able to help find her killer? Of course you wouldn't. Yet, the Ramseys do just that. Refuse to exhume and have the experts examine her for the stun gun marks.

You have to ask yourself..WHY?

[rashomon]

http://www.we-womensentertainment.com/section?CID=key%3D1%26tzOffset%3D0

I found it interesting, too ,that the suitcase in the basement , the one by the window , fibers from inside that suitcase match fibers found on Jonbenets clothing, hinting Smit believes the intruder tried to get Jonbenet out that window in that suitcase and he believes couldnt therefore leaving her there to assualt and murder.

http://www.we-womensentertainment.com/section?CID=key%3D1%26tzOffset%3D0
If Smit thinks an intruder would even think of being able to get a suitcase through that window, then either Smit or the mythical intruder must be mentally impaired.
For that srawny little man Lou Smit could barely squeeze himself through this window, and still he wants people to believe that a suitcase plus intruder could go through it? Priceless.
I couldn't watch the program (I live in Germany), but several posters here and on other forums have called it a "crockumentary".

[Tricia]

one point that i was clear on as well is the 911 tape. I have heard arguements both way about whether burke's voice can be heard at the end of the tape. I have yet to get a definitive answer..
Steve Thomas, one of the lead detectives in the case, as well as others on the Boulder Police Department have heard the enhanced tape with Burke's voice on it.

When Mary Lacy released the 911 call to the public it was not the enhanced version therefore it was impossible to hear Burke's voice. Some even claim the tape was erased at the end to make sure we didn't hear Burke's voice.

Perfect Murder Perfect Town and Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation both have extensive sections on the 911 call.

Unless you are willing to call some very upstanding people out and out liars then you can accept what they say. Burke is on the end of the 911 tape.

[Anniegirl]

Anniegirl,

Please don't feel like we are jumping on you for what you posted.

The only thing I want to see is the truth and Smit does not speak the truth. He doesn't use facts.

If he can back up what he says with solid information then I'll listen to him.

By the way, did you notice how they cut Smit from going through the window to his feet touching the floor. They did not show the whole process of him going through the window. You have to ask yourself why.Tricia, in no way do i feel like you or anyone is jumping on me- I appreciate all your information and everyone else's info and opinions.:blowkiss:

Like a lot of you I've lay awake in bed at night wracking my brain over what happen to that child. I hate that who did this will likely never pay.

I can't remember the other detective who agreed with Smit's theroy on the program- he was an older guy and didnt seem to be in very good health. They told of Smit's record of solving a lot of cold cases, etc. really put effort into making him look credible- but that "Back to the Future " car he drives up in makes it all seem fictional to some point..lol:laugh:

Again, I appreicate all the information, yes, the information the show provided made me think"hmmmm..." but i am staying open minded as i continue to ponder the truth.. which we;'ll all likely never know :(

To the postor who ask- Yes, Smit did say in the interview that fibers found on Jonbenet were fibers from inside the suitcase lining but he obviously left out all the other fiber information!

p.s. I apoligize for my typo on spelling of murder in thread topic line.

[kaykay]

http://www.we-womensentertainment.com/section?CID=key%3D1%26tzOffset%3D0

I watched this special last night, it was very interesting and up to date even as far as reporting Patsy's death in June and John Mark Karr fiasco in August.

It's chilling seeing some of Smitt's evidence and how very well lays out the fact that indeed it was possible that an intruder couldve gotten in the house- the way the guest room bed ruffle was disturbed as if someone had been under the bed, the unexplained rope in the guest room ( a room next to Jonbenet's bedroom) the view of the garage from the bedroom window;to see when the Ramsey's arrived home-

I found it interesting, too ,that the suitcase in the basement , the one by the window , fibers from inside that suitcase match fibers found on Jonbenets clothing, hinting Smit believes the intruder tried to get Jonbenet out that window in that suitcase and he believes couldnt therefore leaving her there to assualt and murder.

Im wondering did anyone else see this program? Not sure when it comes back on, but i'm sure it will again soon.. here's link to the program on We channel.

http://www.we-womensentertainment.com/section?CID=key%3D1%26tzOffset%3D0My old computer crashed so I can't back this up.
Years back PR said she decorated JR's oldest son's Christmas (guest room)tree in a western theme and she used pope for garland. Some of the old timers may remember this.

She also said the rope that was found could have been some left over rope. She DIDN'T say what she did with the left over rope.


I wonder if she just kicked it under the bed?

kaykay

[calicocat]

Am I correct that on the end of the 911 call Burke can be heard asking, "What did you find?" and John answered, "We were not talking to you"? It doesn't sound like John was too happy with him. I wonder if Burke was referring to their finding the ransom note.

The ransom note is so opposite from the murder. It threatens to kill (behead) JonBenet if anyone is informed of the kidnapping, yet poor JonBenet's murder was, or was made to look like, a pedophile did it. A kidnapper kidnaps for money, whereas a pedophile abuses young children for sex. Wouldn't the ransom note have been more believable if it coincided with the type of murder?

If someone is kidnapped, they could be tied up and bound with duct tape. I just don't get where the garrote thing comes in.

[JMO8778]

Re: the 911 call and voices at the end,is it just me,or is BR's voice just barely audible on this one? I swear I hear (listen closely) "what did you find", at the end,with the word 'find' almost being cut off.(I got this off another forum; it is supposed to be enhanced,altho I can hear PR's voice better in the unenhanced one.Maybe because she was closer, and BR was further away?). www.jameson245.com/tape3.mp3

[JMO8778]

PS listen to it twice.seems it had to load all the way the first time, for me anyway.

[santos1014]

Thanks for the link Tricia- I had already read those and I know that it isn't stun gun marks. Just curious as to what they are-that is why I was thinking out loud about marks that scabs healing make.

[Ivy2]

I noticed that this show comes on again tonight, Saturday, October 28th at 12:00AM and also Saturday at 5:00PM Eastern time.

[Anniegirl]

Thanks Ivy! I will try and catch it again, with even, yet, a more open mind :D

[SuperDave]

For that srawny little man Lou Smit could barely squeeze himself through this window, and still he wants people to believe that a suitcase plus intruder could go through it? Priceless.

It was pretty funny. That was the straw that broke this camel's back.

The ransom note is so opposite from the murder. It threatens to kill (behead) JonBenet if anyone is informed of the kidnapping, yet poor JonBenet's murder was, or was made to look like, a pedophile did it. A kidnapper kidnaps for money, whereas a pedophile abuses young children for sex. Wouldn't the ransom note have been more believable if it coincided with the type of murder?

From your mouth to Odin's ears, calicocat! That's what the Feds said.

[mjak]

Okay, I watched this documentary yesterday. Did anyone besides me find the commentators voice bizzare? I found it so distracting. I kept wondering if the female voice was computerized or real. I believe Smit belives his theory. He shows enough questionable evidence to put doubt on the Ramseys guilt. So I guess it is appropriate at this time a court of law has not found them guilty. However, although that evidence may establish reasonable doubt it in no way vindicates the Ramseys in my mind. The reasonable doubt in my opinion is far outweighted by the guilty evidence.
Other then flat stanley or Gumby no one could climb out that window with a suitcase.
That in my opnion is the weakest claim of Smit's and if I was working to prove the Ramsey's guilt I would concentrating on breaking down that claim.

mjak

[Anniegirl]

Okay, I watched this documentary yesterday. Did anyone besides me find the commentators voice bizzare? I found it so distracting. I kept wondering if the female voice was computerized or real. I believe Smit belives his theory. He shows enough questionable evidence to put doubt on the Ramseys guilt. So I guess it is appropriate at this time a court of law has not found them guilty. However, although that evidence may establish reasonable doubt it in no way vindicates the Ramseys in my mind. The reasonable doubt in my opinion is far outweighted by the guilty evidence.
Other then flat stanley or Gumby no one could climb out that window with a suitcase.
That in my opnion is the weakest claim of Smit's and if I was working to prove the Ramsey's guilt I would concentrating on breaking down that claim.

mjak
Her voice does sound somewhat robotic.:waitasec:

[Toltec]

What gets my goat is the fact that Lou Smit gets away with the picture of the basement window wide-open, as if it were discovered that way. That picture alone is convincing of an intruder to people who do not know the case inside out.

[Ivy2]

What gets my goat is the fact that Lou Smit gets away with the picture of the basement window wide-open, as if it were discovered that way. That picture alone is convincing of an intruder to people who do not know the case inside out.
I agree! It is very deceiving!

I watched the show over the weekend and once again was amazed at the naivety. However, they did show some nice shots of Boulder and the surrounding roads, etc. that I have never seen before. I have always wanted to see footage of someone turning onto the road the Ramsey's lived on and driving past so I could get a better idea of how the house is situated and the proximity of neighbors. I always hear that the houses are much closer than they appear on television. Of all the footage I have seen on this case I have never seen them do this. This show almost did.

Also, they showed some nice footage of the inside of the house particularly the kitchen. I am reminded of a thread on one of the old forums where they discussed the strangeness of some of the rooms in the home being so elaborate and others almost downright cheap looking. The kitchen is one of those to me. A mirrored wall? The drawer handles look like Walmart. I know it has been ten years but I thought that back then!

[Brefie]

You know, this always strikes me when I see photos of the interior. Those cheap cabinets? In all the of the cheap rented apartments I have lived in I never saw those and to see them in a house of that 'caliber' seems odd. I wondered if it was a 'regional' thing? Does that sound odd? lol.

I used to work for a custom builder and even the cheapest of cabinets that clients used for their laundry rooms or bathrooms they didn't expect to get a lot of use were MUCH nicer. These homes were $400k +, depending on upgrades.