myspace for Anna

[Shadow205]

myspace for Anna
I thought that since so many people are setting myspace pages for Anna and others are adding her to their myspace a thread would be good. This way we can keep up with them better and monitor comments easier. I hope that this is OK with you Dr.Doogie.

Here is a start:

http://www.myspace.com/122132098 (Gina's)

http://www.myspace.com/72639185 (SherlockJr's)

[Pharlap]

myspace for Anna
I thought that since so many people are setting myspace pages for Anna and others are adding her to their myspace a thread would be good. This way we can keep up with them better and monitor comments easier. I hope that this is OK with you Dr.Doogie.

Here is a start:

http://www.myspace.com/122132098 (Gina's):angel:

:angel: http://www.myspace.com/72639185 (http://www.myspace.com/72639185) (SherlockJr's):angel:

Nice sites....tks

[Dr. Doogie]

I hope that this is OK with you Dr.Doogie.

I think that all of this effort by you guys is great! :clap:

[Gina_M]

Great idea Shadow. I'd like to add a couple here. This person contacted me through Myspace and wants to help get Anna's info out there. She has already made a post in her Myspace blog about Anna, posted bulletins about Anna, and said that anything else she can do to help, let her know:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=107825819


Here is another one...this person was kind enough to repost a bulletin I had posted about Anna (bulletins go out to all your Myspace friends), and to add Anna to her Top Friends:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=92885554

And this person was kind enough to make an Anna banner for me:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=113959127

[Shadow205]

Gina, you posted this: And this person was kind enough to make an Anna banner for me:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cf...endid=113959127

This is from her site:

"This site was established on 09/26/06. It is here to help find missing persons. I know this works, for I have searched for my sister since I first found out about her 14 years ago, I have done everything humanly possible to find her, and after posting her on MySpace, I had found my sister by other people recognizing her photo. These people on MySpace brought me and my sister together, and I know if we all pull together we can try and help find other missing people. If you have a friend or loved one you are searching for, send their photos and all info and it will be posted. Or if you want to send a childs photo and info from the news to try and help"


It is so great to hear of people who are found and reunited with those who love them. Looks like myspace might be a good idea for getting the word out on many of those here at WS's.

[SherlockJr]

Gina, you posted this: And this person was kind enough to make an Anna banner for me:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cf...endid=113959127

This is from her site:

"This site was established on 09/26/06. It is here to help find missing persons. I know this works, for I have searched for my sister since I first found out about her 14 years ago, I have done everything humanly possible to find her, and after posting her on MySpace, I had found my sister by other people recognizing her photo. These people on MySpace brought me and my sister together, and I know if we all pull together we can try and help find other missing people. If you have a friend or loved one you are searching for, send their photos and all info and it will be posted. Or if you want to send a childs photo and info from the news to try and help"

We may be headed in the right direction? It was the tipster from the newspaper who suggested MySpace.com. She is not one who visits the internet very much either.

[Gina_M]

We may be headed in the right direction? It was the tipster from the newspaper who suggested MySpace.com. She is not one who visits the internet very much either.
I was just browsing around and found this info about MySpace:

MySpace is the internet's largest online community. 75 million plus users, 15 million daily unique logins, 240,000 new users per day, and nearly 30 billion monthly page views - that’s 10,593 page views per second.

[Jodibug]

That's amazing! I have never thought of MySpace as a tool. In fact, I have it blocked at my house because I am terrified of my kids getting on it.

Maybe someday I'll be able to reconsider that. I am really glad that there are some positive uses for MySpace and I hope it brings forth some new leads in this search!

[Dr. Doogie]

Like almost anything, MySpace can be used for good or bad. The media tells the stories of pedophiles trolling Myspace looking for victims, but rarely do you hear of positive uses of it.

Can you imagine if the the media only reported bomb threats and obscene calls when talking about the telephone? People would conclude that phones were inherently evil and ban them from their house too.

[Shadow205]

Like almost anything, MySpace can be used for good or bad. The media tells the stories of pedophiles trolling Myspace looking for victims, but rarely do you hear of positive uses of it.

Can you imagine if the the media only reported bomb threats and obscene calls when talking about the telephone? People would conclude that phones were inherently evil and ban them from their house too.

I like that, very well said!

[SherlockJr]

That's amazing! I have never thought of MySpace as a tool. In fact, I have it blocked at my house because I am terrified of my kids getting on it.

Maybe someday I'll be able to reconsider that. I am really glad that there are some positive uses for MySpace and I hope it brings forth some new leads in this search!The page I set up for Anna, I think is doing well. It is getting many visits, however some of the visits may be coming from members and visitors of Websleuths. It's more than a full time job to do searches and adding friends. If I searched for anyone with the name Anna within 100 miles of San Mateo, the results are over 450 pages with about 10-15 profiles per page. Then you have to go thru every page and look at the profiles of girls around Anna's age. Just think how simple this might be if Annasmom had agreed to change her first name to Eifee!

[Gina_M]

I've been in touch with someone on MySpace who used to work in law enforcement and still helps search for missing people. He said he's done some work on Anna's case and is still doing work on it. Here's the link to his profile:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=100990528

[mfmangel1]

I've been in touch with someone on MySpace who used to work in law enforcement and still helps search for missing people. He said he's done some work on Anna's case and is still doing work on it. Here's the link to his profile:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=100990528
The myspace acct. profile is set as "private" and "he" is listed as a female. :waitasec:

[Dr. Doogie]

As a result of the various MySpace sites that have been posted, we have been contacted by someone who thinks that her acquaintance may be Anna. I can only speak in generalities at this point due to our ongoing investigation, but I can say the following:

1) The woman strongly resembles the age-progression of Anna.

2) The woman's listed birthday is within seven months of Anna's.

3) The woman knows that she is adopted by her step-father, but suspects that her mother is also not her birth-mother. She does not resemble anyone else in her family.

4) She has no memories (or childhood pictures) of five or before.

5) When showed Anna's childhood pictures without an explaination, her reaction was "Where did you get pictures of me as child?"

We are frantically examining anything and everything that we can discover about this woman and her family, looking for any connections to what we know or suspect about Anna's disappearance. If nothing is discovered to exclude this possible match, we may be proceeding with a DNA test in the near future.

As it becomes appropriate, we will post updates to this information. The woman that we are looking at is understandably nervous and scared about the possibilities, so I want to limit the amount of information that we post here to protect her privacy.

[Jodibug]

I'm praying that you've found Anna!

[Shadow205]

I am holding my breath and praying!

[mfmangel1]

Amazing! I am hoping and praying! :angel:

[rideforfun]

I'm crying, praying and praying some more. Everyday I just know we are so close. As I've been checking the posts daily I keep having the feeling that I will log on and see that we have found her.

I will pray for all invovled. I just know our miracle is coming.

[GraceBlue]

Wow fingers and toes and everything crossed. I hope you found Anna.

[Dr. Doogie]

We have been to this point before, only to be disappointed. One thing though, it is usually about now that we find something that precludes these matches from being Anna. That has not happened yet. Everything we are finding seems to continue to not disprove the possibility (is that an extremely convoluted sentence? - LOL!)

A couple of other quick notes:

1) The woman's birth certificate has notable gaps in information that raises the question of its authenticity.

2) The woman's current picture shows birthmarks on her face that seem to exactly correspond with pictures of Anna as a child and her birthmarks.

[itsreenw]

OMG, have you tallked to her about what she DOES recall as a child? Is she willing to do a DNA test? Has Annasmom seen her pics? Sorry for all the questions. Just excited & hopeful. Any word from that tipster?

[Gina_M]

The myspace acct. profile is set as "private" and "he" is listed as a female. :waitasec:
That's weird, it doesn't appear as private when I look at it.
And yes, I looked at it from my other account, where this person is not on my friends list ;)

And oops...I guess I saw the name Chris and just assumed it was a guy :p

[Gina_M]

We are frantically examining anything and everything that we can discover about this woman and her family, looking for any connections to what we know or suspect about Anna's disappearance. If nothing is discovered to exclude this possible match, we may be proceeding with a DNA test in the near future.

As it becomes appropriate, we will post updates to this information. The woman that we are looking at is understandably nervous and scared about the possibilities, so I want to limit the amount of information that we post here to protect her privacy.
Doogie,

I wait in anticipation to see how this pans out. I'm trying to be cautiously optimistic. Crossing my fingers and praying... :)

[Annasbro]

Hello Everyone - Dr Doogie- Do you know anything about the mole on Anna's cheek? I couldn't remember which side it was on. On the progressed photo I noticed they placed it on her left cheek. I couldn't quite see it in Anna's 5 year old picture. I noticed that the prospective match had an identical mole but on her right cheek. I was just wondering if we could somehow coordinate this if it could help the matching progress - Thanks

[LisainWV]

How exciting!!

[Annasmom]

Hello Everyone - Dr Doogie- Do you know anything about the mole on Anna's cheek? I couldn't remember which side it was on. On the progressed photo I noticed they placed it on her left cheek. I couldn't quite see it in Anna's 5 year old picture. I noticed that the prospective match had an identical mole but on her right cheek. I was just wondering if we could somehow coordinate this if it could help the matching progress - ThanksHi, Annasbro; we've been playing phone tag. My memory is that the mole was high on her right cheekbone. The NCMEC age-advanced picture placement of the mole is wrong. It's on the wrong side and not high enough. This doesn't quite match up with the stunning photo overlay we're looking at right now (we haven't been able to post this because of privacy issues, so I will tell you that though we have some doubts that this could be Anna, the resemblance is uncanny)--but moles can go away, change, be removed. Smallpox vaccination scars do not go away, and I wish we could learn about these a little more, since few people born after 1968 would have them (and Anna did.) Sherlock and I have had quite a correspondence about moles.

[Annasbro]

Dr. Doogie and Slueths -Is there any kind of protocall that we have come up with as to making a prospective candidate aware of the case and the web site in a non-threatening way? I know that with our experiences in the past we need to figure out a way that protects an individual's privacy while informing them.

[Rhett]

Moles can also appear after adulthood or after adolescence. "Our" Anna could have more moles than she did at the time of her abduction or she could have less so do not go on the moles alone for sure.

[Annasmom]

Dr. Doogie and Sleuths -Is there any kind of protocol that we have come up with as to making a prospective candidate aware of the case and the web site in a non-threatening way? I know that with our experiences in the past we need to figure out a way that protects an individual's privacy while informing them. Annasbro, one thing that is hindering us is that our California tipster does not use a computer, and neither does the young woman we are looking at.

[Dr. Doogie]

Dr. Doogie and Slueths -Is there any kind of protocall that we have come up with as to making a prospective candidate aware of the case and the web site in a non-threatening way? I know that with our experiences in the past we need to figure out a way that protects an individual's privacy while informing them.
Hey, AB! Good to hear from you!

We have been kinda handling that situation by the seat of our pants. I have tried to pass along whatever relevant information directly to a possible match without necessarily directing them to the site (at least in the beginning), since there is so much information here that it can easily overwhelm someone.

We always have tried to handle the privacy issue with as delicate a touch as possible - that is why we have not posted even the first name of this new possible match until we feel that she would be okay with that info becoming public. I just spoke with SherlockJr about the possibility of posting some of the picture evidence we have and concluded that we will not post until we have permission of this woman to do so.

[Dr. Doogie]

Moles can also appear after adulthood or after adolescence. "Our" Anna could have more moles than she did at the time of her abduction or she could have less so do not go on the moles alone for sure.
The picture that we have shows moles where Anna had hers and additional ones that Anna did not have - exactly what you would expect as someone ages.

[smile22]

i saw the pictures and i was shocked so uncanny the resemblance. what struck me was when she said where did u get the pictures of me as a child

[MagicRose99]

Hey Doogie? Any way to get a younger pic of this person that we could match up to Anna?

[Dr. Doogie]

Hey Doogie? Any way to get a younger pic of this person that we could match up to Anna?
We're workin' on it.

[gardenmom]

I will pray as well. :angel:

[Dr. Doogie]

SherlockJr has been applying her ample geneaology skills at uncovering the family tree of this new woman who looks so much like Anna. She has discovered that the woman has four "full-siblings" and additional younger "half-siblings". Remembering that the woman says that she does not resemble anyone in her family, this is still problematic. It is a question of what would the motivation be for a couple who has several boys and girls to kidnap another child to call their own? We have been working on the assumption that Anna was taken by a childless couple (or at least a "girl-less" couple) to be raised as their daughter. This family does not fit that assumption. There may be additional unknown motives, but they are not obvious at this point.

We have been looking into any possible connections between this family and California (especially the SF Bay Area). The woman says that she has lived in one particular mid-western state (as best that she can remember). However, SherlockJr has uncovered that an older brother seems to have resided in Redwood City, CA at some point in his life (we have not been able to establish an exact timeframe). This brother would have been 18 years old in 1973, so it is possible that he was residing in the Bay Area at that time. Based on pure speculation, it is possible that his mother and father came to visit the brother and abducted Anna at that time. We have absolutely no evidence that this is what occured - it is just being mentioned as a possible scenario that would fit the known details of Anna's disappearance.

And in case anyone is thinking of this: I checked the coloring of license plates in the state that the family lived in and the only year that fits the green lettering / white background description given by Annasbro for the "couple in the car" would have been from the early 1960's, not the late 1960's that AB described the car as. There was a very destinctive change in car stylings during the 1960's that would eliminate the possibilty of a mis-identification of the era of the vehicle that AB saw. However, someone in one state could purchase a vehicle from another state (that does have the right coloring) and used the old plates until a new set arrived.

[SherlockJr]

SherlockJr has been applying her ample geneaology skills at uncovering the family tree of this new woman who looks so much like Anna. She has discovered that the woman has four "full-siblings" and additional younger "half-siblings". Remembering that the woman says that she does not resemble anyone in her family, this is still problematic. It is a question of what would the motivation be for a couple who has several boys and girls to kidnap another child to call their own? We have been working on the assumption that Anna was taken by a childless couple (or at least a "girl-less" couple) to be raised as their daughter. This family does not fit that assumption. There may be additional unknown motives, but they are not obvious at this point.

We have been looking into any possible connections between this family and California (especially the SF Bay Area). The woman says that she has lived in one particular mid-western state (as best that she can remember). However, SherlockJr has uncovered that an older brother seems to have resided in Redwood City, CA at some point in his life (we have not been able to establish an exact timeframe). This brother would have been 18 years old in 1973, so it is possible that he was residing in the Bay Area at that time. Based on pure speculation, it is possible that his mother and father came to visit the brother and abducted Anna at that time. We have absolutely no evidence that this is what occured - it is just being mentioned as a possible scenario that would fit the known details of Anna's disappearance...
I have not confirmed this person to be the sibling yet. They share the same name.

[Dr. Doogie]

I have not confirmed this person to be the sibling yet. They share the same name.
I stand corrected - I should have said that someone with the same name as sibling lived in Redwood City. Thanks, SJ!

[Annasmom]

I stand corrected - I should have said that someone with the same name as sibling lived in Redwood City. Thanks, SJ! The reason we are left with so much speculation is that the individual who saw the picture on MySpace refuses to give us direct contact with the Anna lookalike, so that every little bit of information has to come through her. I am finding this maddening. Sherlock and Dr. D are wonderful sleuths, but they are having to work through an intermediary whose impressions are certainly not as immediate or helpful as direct contact. In addition to this problem, it now looks as if the intermediary is backing off the entire thing.

[Annasbro]

One thing we can't discount in all of this is the criminal element. Whoever abducted Anna has commited a felony. Even though it was a long time ago -is there a statute of limitations? - as we get closer to any potential candidate, the people associated with the crime might still be in the picture somehow. I wouldn't speculate in this particular case about our tipster, but there could be any number or reasons she is getting cold feet including threats from someone who was involved with the crime not wanting her to reveal their identity.

[natasha-cupcake]

SherlockJr has been applying her ample geneaology skills at uncovering the family tree of this new woman who looks so much like Anna. She has discovered that the woman has four "full-siblings" and additional younger "half-siblings". Remembering that the woman says that she does not resemble anyone in her family, this is still problematic. It is a question of what would the motivation be for a couple who has several boys and girls to kidnap another child to call their own? We have been working on the assumption that Anna was taken by a childless couple (or at least a "girl-less" couple) to be raised as their daughter. This family does not fit that assumption. There may be additional unknown motives, but they are not obvious at this point.
Doogie, it's also possible that IF this is Anna, the "parents" who raised her may not be the original couple (or individual) who kidnapped her. I can see a situation where kidnapper(s) might turn over custody to someone else, especially if they thought they were in danger of being caught.

I haven't posted in a while, but I do check in daily to read. Anna's case is the one closest to my heart, here on Websleuths and I certainly hope that this is the big break. If not, we all stay strong and march on. God Bless everyone here who actively and tirelessly sleuth for Anna (Annasmom, Doogie, Sherlock and anyone else who deserves special mention.) I'm amazed at the resourcefulness and skill of the people on this board. I'm somewhat lacking in both, so I'm restricted to cheerleader status, I guess!

[SherlockJr]

One thing we can't discount in all of this is the criminal element. Whoever abducted Anna has commited a felony. Even though it was a long time ago -is there a statute of limitations? - as we get closer to any potential candidate, the people associated with the crime might still be in the picture somehow. I wouldn't speculate in this particular case about our tipster, but there could be any number or reasons she is getting cold feet including threats from someone who was involved with the crime not wanting her to reveal their identity.
Speaking about the life of crime... the tipster from the newspaper article who contacted Dr Doogie believes when she was visited by a Bill and Anna, were there to rob the house. Could Bill taken this child with him during his robberies to keep anyone that was there occupied with the child while he searched the house? The robberies in the area soon stopped about the time the tipster was visited. They could have left the area and continued these crimes in other cities or states.
Could they have been caught? The child would be a ward of the state and not know her identity. Or without being caught early, continue robbing for years and then get busted at an age where she would have to spend time.

[smile22]

something sounds fishy about this person that wont give us direct contact with the look alike.it sounds like she is starting to play a game and i think le should get involved if it does turn out that their is a 98% chance that she could be anna. just my opinons. i got taken for a ride when a man posting at a website was claming to be a missing child but fellow sleuthers were able to uncover his lies and he was also being watch by le

[Shadow205]

something sounds fishy about this person that wont give us direct contact with the look alike.it sounds like she is starting to play a game and i think le should get involved if it does turn out that their is a 98% chance that she could be anna. just my opinons. i got taken for a ride when a man posting at a website was claming to be a missing child but fellow sleuthers were able to uncover his lies and he was also being watch by le
I can't believe I'm even saying this but I hope the contact person isn't Delia :eek:

[Dr. Doogie]

We are a long way from 98% sure that this woman is Anna. More like 98% undecided.

I would caution everyone when they post here: the intermediary person does visit this website as an unregistered guest and her co-operation is crucial. Please be aware of that when posting. :)

[Dr. Doogie]

I can't believe I'm even saying this but I hope the contact person isn't Delia :eek:
LOL - the thought entered my mind, but this is a long distance away from BFE, Texas or wherever it was that she lived. :D

[Annasbro]

It is sobering to think about folks out there that have some kind of hidden agenda. I find encouragement though in all of the sleuths who work so hard to find the truth. I believe people are for the most part good. We just all need to proceed through life optimistcally, confidently, and deliberately but consciously knowing there is another small but potent negative element out there.

[itsreenw]

However, someone in one state could purchase a vehicle from another state (that does have the right coloring) and used the old plates until a new set arrived.__________________
Or the license plates could have been stolen from another car. I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the plates.

Shadow205, we think too much alike.

[itsreenw]

One thing we can't discount in all of this is the criminal element. Whoever abducted Anna has commited a felony. Even though it was a long time ago -is there a statute of limitations? - as we get closer to any potential candidate, the people associated with the crime might still be in the picture somehow. I wouldn't speculate in this particular case about our tipster, but there could be any number or reasons she is getting cold feet including threats from someone who was involved with the crime not wanting her to reveal their identity.Annasbro, I just read an article about a kidnapping in Vallejo, CA where a baby was abducted, his mother shot and set on fire and the abductor, a teen girl, raised the boy as her own for 6 yrs.

Here is the part of the article that addresses the statute of limitations:


In the other defense challenge, Pendergast argues that the statute of limitations has run out for trying Brown on charges of kidnapping and arson of an inhabited dwelling. He said the statute of limitations for both crimes is six years, measured from the date the crime was committed to the commencement of prosecution. Given that Boyden was killed May 17, 1996, prosecutors would have needed to file charges by May 17 of last year.

In her response, Stashyn concedes that the statute of limitations has run out on the arson charge, but not on the kidnapping charge, which was an ongoing crime, starting from the day Le-Zhan was taken from his mother to this past December, when he was found by police. Stashyn said it's up to the court whether to dismiss the arson charges at Friday's hearing.

[Shadow205]

I don't think that there is a statute of limitations for kidnapping. I found this:

Currently, charges in most criminal cases must be filed within six years -- with no statute of limitations applying on cases involving murder and kidnapping.

http://ca.rand.org/statebulls/bulletins/xstatebull306.html

[itsreenw]

Speaking about the life of crime... the tipster from the newspaper article who contacted Dr Doogie believes when she was visited by a Bill and Anna, were there to rob the house. Could Bill taken this child with him during his robberies to keep anyone that was there occupied with the child while he searched the house? The robberies in the area soon stopped about the time the tipster was visited. They could have left the area and continued these crimes in other cities or states.
Could they have been caught? The child would be a ward of the state and not know her identity. Or without being caught early, continue robbing for years and then get busted at an age where she would have to spend time.SherlockJr, can you ask her what changed her mind to this theory? Did she remember more details? I thought she believed it was a tenant of one of her father's properties that came to pay rent. He would be pretty silly to rob his landlord knowing he could be identified.

[Dr. Doogie]

SherlockJr, can you ask her what changed her mind to this theory? Did she remember more details? I thought she believed it was a tenant of one of her father's properties that came to pay rent. He would be pretty silly to rob his landlord knowing he could be identified.
The tipster originally stated that she thought that "Bill" knew her father and may have been a tenant. She later modified that statment to he knew her father and she didn't know if he was tenant. It is not necessarily a contradiction, just a different way of stating the same thing: he may have been a tenant, but she doesn't know for sure.

I believe that Bill may have been surprised that a high-school-aged girl was home on a school day. The tipster was sick and bedridden at the time of Bill and Anna's "visit".

[mfmangel1]

It is sobering to think about folks out there that have some kind of hidden agenda. I find encouragement though in all of the sleuths who work so hard to find the truth. I believe people are for the most part good. We just all need to proceed through life optimistcally, confidently, and deliberately but consciously knowing there is another small but potent negative element out there.


Well said, Annasbro. It is obvious who raised you! I think all of us try to believe what you have stated so well.

[LisainWV]

Whomever came up with the myspace idea is a genius by my standards.

I suggested doing a myspace for the Greys Harbor WA John Doe (gave you folks the credit for the idea) and my pet case of the Carbon County Pa Jane Doe may benefit as well.

Sorry for sidetracking this thread somewhat. Just wanted to give some "attaboys" to you folks. :woohoo: :clap: :dance:

[SherlockJr]

We are a long way from 98% sure that this woman is Anna. More like 98% undecided.

I received a phone call from the intermediary person yesterday. She personally went to the public library and found a birth announcement in their local newspaper from 1967 for the Anna look-alike. The newspaper there or back then did not print the name of the child, only the name of the father or parents. She was told some time ago her fathers first name. The newspaper showed his first name along with a last name that has shown up in the look-alike and her siblings searches.

So we have confirmed that a person with the same name as the father had a baby girl at the time the look-alike was born.
We have a very slim chance that this woman is Anna. We may still consider a DNA on this person since the pros have heavily outweighed the cons. I have offered to find her father for her, but again this went through the intermediary person and I have not heard back from her on this.

[Gina_M]

The discovery of the birth announcement does make it unlikely that this person is Anna. I suppose a possible scenario is that the original child died, maybe around the age of 4 or 5, and the grief stricken parents, who just happened to be vacationing in San Mateo County, spotted Anna and decided to take her as a replacement. Pretty unlikely though :waitasec:

[Annasmom]

The discovery of the birth announcement does make it unlikely that this person is Anna. I suppose a possible scenario is that the original child died, maybe around the age of 4 or 5, and the grief stricken parents, who just happened to be vacationing in San Mateo County, spotted Anna and decided to take her as a replacement. Pretty unlikely though :waitasec: Actually, I believe SherlockJr. has found quite a lot of duplication of this family's not-too-unusual name both in the area the announcement appeared and elsewhere. The announcement is not really an official document, only a listing in a newspaper public records column which does not include the mother's name, hospital, specific date of birth, etc.

[smile22]

was the birth announcement for the same day as anna was born? and what year was it put in the paper that year or was put in another year?

[SherlockJr]

was the birth announcement for the same day as anna was born? and what year was it put in the paper that year or was put in another year?
The Anna look-alike was born in Feb 1967. The birth announcement was placed in the February 11, 1967 issue.

[itsreenw]

The tipster originally stated that she thought that "Bill" knew her father and may have been a tenant. She later modified that statment to he knew her father and she didn't know if he was tenant. It is not necessarily a contradiction, just a different way of stating the same thing: he may have been a tenant, but she doesn't know for sure.

I believe that Bill may have been surprised that a high-school-aged girl was home on a school day. The tipster was sick and bedridden at the time of Bill and Anna's "visit".Hmmm...now that I understand the scenario better that does leave some questions. If it was a school day, the little girl should have been in school too. If he was there to pay the rent, the tipster, being a teen would've been old enough to accept the rent payment.

So she is almost 100% sure that the man knew her dad?? I wonder if she has any old photo albums. I know my parents had pics of daddy and his fishing buddies and friends from the military, etc... I wonder if she dusted the photo albums off if she might see this man.

[Dr. Doogie]

...So she is almost 100% sure that the man knew her dad?? ...
She asked him if he knew her father and he said yes. She stated that this was the only time that she ever saw the man.

[mjak]

I wish I felt more optomistic about both potential leeds but I have to admit neither seem very encouraging to me. The women who recalls a man and anna visiting her house when she was home sick seems to remember a lot of detail. However, this encounter took place so many years ago I have to be skeptical about what she recalls. Even if her recollection is correct how in the world do we follow up on something like this? The Anna look alike sounded very promising but we really need the intermediary to make it possible for this person to come forward herself. As long as there is an intermediary in the picture the scenerio remains doubtful to me. I was really excited about this look a like until I read about the intermedary situation. I read this thread almost everyday, although I don't post much. Latley I have been thinking a lot about Anna. I truly believe she is alive. As crazy as it may seem when I view her missing flyer her picture has a demension to it that is so filled with life. I often find this absent with other missing flyer photos. I might just be nuts, but I thought I would share that perception of mine with you all.

mjak

[Dr. Doogie]

mjak:

Your observations and conclusions are accurate. We are working on both leads to either solidify or eliminate the evidence/testimony.

[Annasmom]

I read this thread almost everyday, although I don't post much. Latley I have been thinking a lot about Anna. I truly believe she is alive. As crazy as it may seem when I view her missing flyer her picture has a dimension to it that is so filled with life. I often find this absent with other missing flyer photos. I might just be nuts, but I thought I would share that perception of mine with you all.
mjak
Thank you, mjak. I feel that way, too. And even though the look-alike we're trying to pin down may not be Anna, she has that same lively expression. It's hard to explain.

[rideforfun]

I'd still like us to find a police officer who was involved in investigating the robberies and see if the police had any suspects that they could not charge.

The woman who recalls being home on a school day and meeting "Bill" is a very solid lead that has been backed up by the newspaper accounts of all the robberies.

I'm not sure I believe he rented from her dad, I think she surprised him and when she asked him if he knew her dad or was here to pay his rent or whatever the exact words were, I think that gave him the "out" of having to explain why he was at/in her home. I think her feelings of fear and the robbery deal are spot on. It is possible that when she offered a logical explanation of why he was at the home she saved herself from being harmed. She offered him something that he could agree to and that she would believe. It doesn't mean it was true. And "Bill" having a child with him would certainly make him less threatening than a man alone in an area that had experienced a crime wave.

If there is any way I can help follow up on this long distance please let me know. I'm hopeful with the recent publicity we can ask for the names of police that would have worked the robberies and follow up with them direct.

[mjak]

Thank you, mjak. I feel that way, too. And even though the look-alike we're trying to pin down may not be Anna, she has that same lively expression. It's hard to explain.
I understand it completly!! When I first saw Anna's picture on the doe network before comming here I was blown away by what I can only describe as life energy reverbrating from Anna's picture. It was like most it not all of the other pictures I had seen were one dementional and Anna's was 3d. I have never forgotten that first impression and it still hits me today whenever I see her photos. Incidently I am not in to new age stuff or energy work or anything like that. So its not usual for me to feel these things and then to post them in a forum like this. Most people know my posts tend to me very concrete and logical and weak on the emotive part, lol. So this is out of character for me.

mjak

[mjak]

I don't remember if I said this before or not but I think this myspace Idea is brilliant!!

mjak

[Shadow205]

I got side tracked by the "Anna-lookalike" and never posted a link to my myspace.

http://www.myspace.com/rust205

[Dr. Doogie]

I received a phone call today from the Anna "look-alike". This is the first direct contact that we have had with this woman.

There were a couple of important clarifications and revelations as a result of the phone call. One is that the name of the man who she knows as her birthfather matches the name of the birth announcement that SherlockJr mentioned. This does make it unlikely that this woman is Anna.

However, the other revelation is that the state records bureau where she lives has no record of her birth at all. The birth certificate that contains incomplete information was issued by the state recently because she needed a birth certificate and she did not have all of the details of her birth. It is possible that she was born in a different state than she believes she was and that state would have the records, but this does not fit with anything that she knows about her history. This is very curious and causes me to not dismiss the possibility that she may still be Anna.

I received her permission to post her picture on this site, so I will do that once I get home today. She has asked that we not post her name here, so if anyone posts the picture before I get a chance to, please make sure that the file name does not include any identifying names. Thanks!

One other interesting thing about her name is that her first name is a variation of "Christian" and her middle name is a variation of "Anna". I can think of no logical reason that an abductor would do this purposely, so it probably is nothing more than one more amazing coincidence in a case full of them. However, it is one heck of a coincidence.

[Shadow205]

Well, well, I was ready to write her off as not being Anna, now I'm not so sure. That is a very strange coincidence about the name and add to it that there is something not right with her birth certificate. You got more going hmmm again.

I still want to see a pic of her when she was a young child.

[Dr. Doogie]

I still want to see a pic of her when she was a young child.She has no pictures of herself as a young child. She no longer has contact with her mother, so she does not have any means of obtaining pictures of her as a child (if those exist at all). She did confirm the information that we received from the intermediary that her reaction to Anna's pictures was to ask, "Where did you get pictures of me as a child?" This confirms that she not only resembles what we believe Anna to look like today, but that she has looked like her throughout her life.

She stated that she has few memories before age ten and none earlier than age six. We have learned that this woman expressed traits that would be consistent with experiencing a major trauma as a child (bedwetting and thumbsucking that continued up until adolescence). This assumed trauma may explain the missing portion of her memories and that trauma may not have been that she was abducted. However, it also may be that she was and that she is Anna. We continue to explore that possibility.

[Dr. Doogie]

Here is a picture of the "look-alike":
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/drdoogief/album/576460762341965337/photo/294928803617068050/0

Here is a comparison to the age-progression of Anna:
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/drdoogief/album/576460762341965337/photo/294928803617068047/1

[Shadow205]

Doogie,

I'm sure that you have already thought of this but just in case....If we can find out where she atended school, especially elementary school maybe we can find some childhood pictures. I would be more than willing to help explore that if you want to PM me with a location to start.

[Shadow205]

Here is a picture of the "look-alike":
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/drdoogief/album/576460762341965337/photo/294928803617068050/0

Here is a comparison to the age-progression of Anna:
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/drdoogief/album/576460762341965337/photo/294928803617068047/1
Might just be me but the links don't work.

[Dr. Doogie]

Doogie,

I'm sure that you have already thought of this but just in case....If we can find out where she atended school, especially elementary school maybe we can find some childhood pictures. I would be more than willing to help explore that if you want to PM me with a location to start.
We have an elementary school name - I will PM you the information. There may be some old class pictures on file where we can find her. Fortunately, the school is relatively small with a student population below 200.

[Dr. Doogie]

Might just be me but the links don't work.
Weird. I tried them and they do work for me. Is anyone else having trouble with them?

[itsreenw]

Her father's name on the birth certificate isn't really proof enough to rule her out IMO. This is from an article on Ancestry.com

snip:
My mother was not married at the time (of writer's birth) When I went to get a copy of my birth certificate just a few years ago, there was nothing at all on file. I asked my mother about this and she told me that, since it was such an "improper" situation, the doctor didn't file a birth certificate when I was born. When she got married three years later, he filled out a form that I used all my life. It listed her husband as my father. It was not a birth certificate, but it was accepted by everyone who needed to see one.
I wanted to see how easy it would be to get a delayed birth certificate in the US and Canada since we are so close.

This list of requirements and acceptable forms of proof of birth is from Canada but look at how easy it is to obtain a delayed birth certificate:



[QUOTE]




(http://[quote]%20%3c/div%3E%3C/b%3E%3C/p%3E%3Cp%20style=%22margin:0px%22%3E%3Cb%3E%3Cdiv% 20align=%22left%22%3E%3Cb%3E)Examples of "Class A" Evidence:


To qualify as Class A evidence the document must be



dated before the individual's fourth birthday and,
contain all the following information:

full name of the individual
date of birth
place of birth
parent's names (father may not be listed)
date of record
NOTE: If the document contains all info above, no other documentation is needed


OTHER EXAMPLES OF CLASS A DOCUMENTS


A baptismal, christening, blessing, or similar church or religious record. If a baptismal certificate is obtained you will also be required to supply:
a letter with the name, location and phone number of the church or diocese who issued the certificate.


a photocopy of the page from the baptismal register where the birth information was recorded.

A document from the medical records department in the hospital where the person was born.
A letter or report from the doctor or midwife present at the person's birth
Class B Evidence (partial list)

Life insurance policies, employment records, health/medical records, army discharge records, etc.


All that would be easy enough to get. Here's a list of acceptable documents for NC. I just used a random state and it was from 1971 so I thought the requirements should have been about the same 2 yrs later.

THIS WAS IN AN ARTICLE WRITTEN BY A GENEALOGIST FROM NC

SNIP
My father’s Delayed Certificate of Birth was issued by the North Carolina State Board of Health, Office of Vital Statistics, on 5 October 1971. His three pieces of documentation were a little different.


1. Family Bible record in his possession, and his post office box mailing address was listed. The publication date of the Bible was listed as 1896.
2. An insurance policy (number included) issued to my father by the Pilot Life Insurance Company of Greensboro, North Carolina. The issue date was listed as 11 June 1940.

A 31 yr old insurance policy was accepted as proof of birth???

[Dr. Doogie]

Class B Evidence
Life insurance policies...
Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

[itsreenw]

Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
[/left]EXACTLY WHAT I'M THINKING, DOOGIE.

[MagicRose99]

Here are the pics:
Well... whoever did them pics did a good job, heh? ;) LOL!

[MagicRose99]

Here are the pics:
Just a thought Doogie... who does Annasmom think Anna looks more like (or would resemble more?); her, George, someone else in the family? Do we have a pic of that person at this approximate age that we can compare this lady's pic to?

[Annasmom]

Just a thought Doogie... who does Annasmom think Anna looks more like (or would resemble more?); her, George, someone else in the family? Do we have a pic of that person at this approximate age that we can compare this lady's pic to? The age-advanced picture from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (the one which is on the comparison Doogie posted) was made by consulting photographs of both parents at the approximate age Anna was depicted (30-something). The technicians who developed the software to make age-advanced pictures also looked at pictures of her half-brothers.

[itsreenw]

and I think adding "Eiffee" was added so they could easily drop "Waters" from her real BC. I wouldn't be surprised if her abductors last name was something spelled similarly to "Eiffee". I don't buy that story GB told about being in alignment with Anna numerologically.

[mjak]

Wow, I think the resembalance is amazing!! My discouragment of yesterday has just been replaced by new hope!! fingers crossed.

mjak

[annemc2]

Wow is right! The photo comparison gives me chills - as soon as I saw the "look alike" I thought she looks just like the age-enhanced photo of Anna. If this woman is not Anna then this whole thing is one of the freakiest coincidences of all time.

eta: seriously, I am looking at the photos again and they're making me well up with tears (and I don't even have PMS!)

[Dr. Doogie]

and I think adding "Eiffee" was added so they could easily drop "Waters" from her real BC. I wouldn't be surprised if her abductors last name was something spelled similarly to "Eiffee". I don't buy that story GB told about being in alignment with Anna numerologically.
"Eifee" was added within a couple of weeks after she was born, so it seems unlikely that it has any direct connection to Anna's disappearance. However, it may have some significance to Brody beyond the numerological aspect that we have yet to discover.

[Dr. Doogie]

EXACTLY WHAT I'M THINKING, DOOGIE.
"The Plan" note that is detailed in another thread in this forum concerned the attaining of a life insurance policy on George Waters with Anna listed as the beneficiary. Something was going to occur in this plan on January 1973 (the month she disappeared). After this event, the policy was going to be rewritten with Brody as the beneficiary.

We have never been able to locate a copy of this policy with Anna's name as beneficiary (only Brody's). Could the name on the policy been something other than Anna's? In other words, the policy may have been to create a paper trail that could be used to establish a new identity for Anna under a different name. The Plan note lists the beneficiary as A.C.E. (Anna Christian Eifee), but who knows what is actually on the policy. Remeber, GW was meticulous is documenting everything, yet no copies of that policy exist with Anna's name on it. Could this be one of the things that he "sanatized" before his suicide?

[Dr. Doogie]

In particular, compare the mole under Anna's left eye near the nose in the above picture posted by Sherlock to our look-alike.

[Dr. Doogie]

Shadow205:

Remember that the mole depicted on the age progression is on the wrong side. It should be on her left side as we look at the picture.

[Shadow205]

Shadow205:

Remember that the mole depicted on the age progression is on the wrong side. It should be on her left side as we look at the picture.
I deleted the last pictures. I cropped the wrong area. I am going to redo them and then I'll post them again. Thaks for that reminder Doogie :doh:

[SherlockJr]

"The Plan" note that is detailed in another thread in this forum concerned the attaining of a life insurance policy on George Waters with Anna listed as the beneficiary. Something was going to occur in this plan on January 1973 (the month she disappeared). After this event, the policy was going to be rewritten with Brody as the beneficiary.

We have never been able to locate a copy of this policy with Anna's name as beneficiary (only Brody's). Could the name on the policy been something other than Anna's? In other words, the policy may have been to create a paper trail that could be used to establish a new identity for Anna under a different name. The Plan note lists the beneficiary as A.C.E. (Anna Christian Eifee), but who knows what is actually on the policy. Remeber, GW was meticulous is documenting everything, yet no copies of that policy exist with Anna's name on it. Could this be one of the things that he "sanatized" before his suicide?
Could that policy have been put into the hands of her abductors?

[Shadow205]

Could that policy have been put into the hands of her abductors?

That could explain why no copy of it was found.

[kyresearcher]

DrDoogie, are you saying that you found a copy of an insurance policy listing Brody as the beneficary in the BFH or are you just refering to the note you found? If you did find a policy could you pm me the name of the insurance company? I am thinking the phone # found in GW wallet after he died could be the phone# of the insurance company. I know I keep going back to that # but I think it holds a clue.

[SherlockJr]

Well... whoever did them pics did a good job, heh? ;) LOL!Very nice job with the overlay MagicRose99. :clap:

[gardenmom]

Wow. I don't even know what to say. They look so much alike. Doogie, what is this woman willing to do? Is she willing to do a DNA test? I bet she is scared. Annasmom, I bet you are about to burst waiting to see what will happen. I am praying this turns out to be Anna.

[Shadow205]

I received a phone call today from the Anna "look-alike". This is the first direct contact that we have had with this woman.

There were a couple of important clarifications and revelations as a result of the phone call. One is that the name of the man who she knows as her birthfather matches the name of the birth announcement that SherlockJr mentioned. This does make it unlikely that this woman is Anna.

However, the other revelation is that the state records bureau where she lives has no record of her birth at all. The birth certificate that contains incomplete information was issued by the state recently because she needed a birth certificate and she did not have all of the details of her birth. It is possible that she was born in a different state than she believes she was and that state would have the records, but this does not fit with anything that she knows about her history. This is very curious and causes me to not dismiss the possibility that she may still be Anna.

I received her permission to post her picture on this site, so I will do that once I get home today. She has asked that we not post her name here, so if anyone posts the picture before I get a chance to, please make sure that the file name does not include any identifying names. Thanks!

One other interesting thing about her name is that her first name is a variation of "Christian" and her middle name is a variation of "Anna". I can think of no logical reason that an abductor would do this purposely, so it probably is nothing more than one more amazing coincidence in a case full of them. However, it is one heck of a coincidence.
How about so as she got older and the name Anna Christian kept popping into her mind as her name it would be easier to make her beleive that she must have just confused the similarities and that no your name is........I know it's kind of a far out guess but everything about this case is so strange it could make sense.

[mjak]

Okay, I am jumping out of my skin here. I stayed up half the night checking and rechecking this thread. I am not sure what exactly I was expecting to see posted, lol.
Annasmom, you are in my thoughts today. I can not Imagine the emotional typhoon you must be experiencing. Logic dictates since there was a birth announcement printed when the look alike was alledgedly born she is not Anna. However, this only shows the look alikes alledged parents announced the birth of a child when the look alike believes she was born. It does not prove that this person is that child. However, unlikly it is the possibility of the look alike being Anna is still alive. The resembalance is just startling. One thing that stuck me as undeniable is the lookalike has that same fire in her eyes that Anna's pictures possess. I wish one of us at an at home DNA lab, lol.

mjak

[Rhett]

Please do not dismiss this just because of the birth announcement and the "birth certificate." I am adopted but didn't not know it until I was 25 years old and both my "parents" had died. Some gracious person decided I needed to know. My birth certificate looked perfectly normal to me but it was not. All of the information is not on there and it does list my adoptive parents as my real parents. I think where there is a will there is a way. Maybe they had a child and the child died and Anna took her place which would account for the announcement in the newspaper. I know it's a long shot but nothing would surprise me. A DNA test would be the sure fire way to know, wouldn't it?:o

[Dr. Doogie]

...Is she willing to do a DNA test? I bet she is scared. Annasmom, I bet you are about to burst waiting to see what will happen...
Yes, yes, and a cautious yes.

[GraceBlue]

I am glad you finally got to talk to the woman Doogie. I am also glad she let you post a picture of herself on here. I can see a little resemble to Anna but it is hard for me to tell if I really think it is in fact Anna. The mystery woman seems to have higher and rounder cheekbones. I know people's looks change when they get older but I dont know if that is a trait in either Annasmom's family or GW's family. Thank you for posting the photo on here!

[Annasmom]

Yes, yes, and a cautious yes. We need to find out about the vaccination scar first.

[Shadow205]

We need to find out about the vaccination scar first.
I don't know how much weight to put into that. I had one when I was a kid but there is no sign of it now.

[Annasbro]

I know I have a vaccination scar that is bairly dicernable but I remember Anna's other brother had a pretty large one. Isn't that right Annasmom? I will ask him how prominent it still is - these things seem like they run along family lines.

[bearschick]

I'm a long time lurker, have been reading this and WOW! Great news! Hope that things move foward quickly and in a positive direction!

How about so as she got older and the name Anna Christian kept popping into her mind as her name it would be easier to make her beleive that she must have just confused the similarities and that no your name is........I know it's kind of a far out guess but everything about this case is so strange it could make sense.
I agree with this! My birth name was Amorita-it was changed years later to Amy.

Is there any way to check California birth records to see if Anna's original birth certificate has been ammended?

Keep up the great work-you guys (and gals) are awsome!

[Dr. Doogie]

...Is there any way to check California birth records to see if Anna's original birth certificate has been ammended? ...
It was amended two weeks after the original one was issued to include the middle name "Eifee". We are not aware of any changes after that. I believe that Annasmom got a copy of it after Anna disappeared - is that right, AM?

[mfmangel1]

I am stunned. I have looked at the pics again and again, as I am sure many of you have.

Does the "mystery woman" have a pic from her baby years that we could compare with Anna's pics?

[Annasbro]

As far as I understand from DrDoogie -the look-alike has no childhood pictures and asked how our informant got pictures of her as a child when she was shown Anna's pictures

[Dr. Doogie]

We are looking into obtaining school pictures of the woman that would be closer in time to our pictures of Anna for comparison. Annasbro is right: the woman has no pictures of herself as a child and does not have a relationship with her parents to obtain one.

[Annasmom]

I know I have a vaccination scar that is bairly dicernable but I remember Anna's other brother had a pretty large one. Isn't that right Annasmom? I will ask him how prominent it still is - these things seem like they run along family lines. It's a good idea to ask him. A lot depends on how strong the "take" to the vaccine was. Yours was mild, probably because you had some immunities, but his was rather severe. I remember Anna's reaction as being mild, too.

[Annasmom]

It was amended two weeks after the original one was issued to include the middle name "Eifee". We are not aware of any changes after that. I believe that Annasmom got a copy of it after Anna disappeared - is that right, AM? I got another copy of it a few months ago, which means it was not sealed or amended.

[Shadow205]

We are looking into obtaining school pictures of the woman that would be closer in time to our pictures of Anna for comparison. Annasbro is right: the woman has no pictures of herself as a child and does not have a relationship with her parents to obtain one.
Doogie,

Christine is working on finding someone who might have old class pictures at classmates.com. There are quite a few students registered for that school. If that doesn't come up with anything then I think we will contact the school and see if the took class pictures there during the 70's.

[mjak]

Doogie,

Christine is working on finding someone who might have old class pictures at classmates.com. There are quite a few students registered for that school. If that doesn't come up with anything then I think we will contact the school and see if the took class pictures there during the 70's.
the public library is often a depository for all kinds of school yearbooks. She might want to look in the public library of the town she went to school in.

mjak

[smile22]

most schools dont have yearbooks for that young of an age i know in jr high and hs we had yearbooks 6-8th grade was in the year book and 9-12 ( when parents went to school only srs were in the books) my library has toons of them from the high schools. i know when my brother graduated 5th grade the parents and teachers put out a black and white yearbook. and when i graduated 5th grade they did a vote yearbook or teeshirt teeshirt won

[Shadow205]

Most grade schools so a class picture for the younger kids. That is what I would like to find.

[RobinH]

something sounds fishy about this person that wont give us direct contact with the look alike.it sounds like she is starting to play a game and i think le should get involved if it does turn out that their is a 98% chance that she could be anna. just my opinons. i got taken for a ride when a man posting at a website was claming to be a missing child but fellow sleuthers were able to uncover his lies and he was also being watch by le
My name is Robin, I am a Records Manager, the mother of 3 grown children, and the grandmother of 2 wonderful little boys. I AM the person that you speak of, and I assure you I do not play games. I did not know how to find these threads until I saw a bulletin yesterday, and I immediately applied for an account. I DID try to get my contact to allow me to give her number out, but she was very afraid to, for several reasons. She finally gave me permission 2 days ago to give that information, which I promptly did. I would also like you to know that I only met this person 6 weeks ago, but she is my friend. I found out about Anna less than 3 weeks ago. I took the picture of my contact, I sent it to the proper people, I went to the library to find her birth announcement, and I am going to the library again to see if I can find any younger pictures of her in any classbooks. Please be patient, I am only one person, and a library search with so little information can be time consuming. I will keep everyone posted now that I know how.

[mjak]

My name is Robin, I am a Records Manager, the mother of 3 grown children, and the grandmother of 2 wonderful little boys. I AM the person that you speak of, and I assure you I do not play games. I did not know how to find these threads until I saw a bulletin yesterday, and I immediately applied for an account. I DID try to get my contact to allow me to give her number out, but she was very afraid to, for several reasons. She finally gave me permission 2 days ago to give that information, which I promptly did. I would also like you to know that I only met this person 6 weeks ago, but she is my friend. I found out about Anna less than 3 weeks ago. I took the picture of my contact, I sent it to the proper people, I went to the library to find her birth announcement, and I am going to the library again to see if I can find any younger pictures of her in any classbooks. Please be patient, I am only one person, and a library search with so little information can be time consuming. I will keep everyone posted now that I know how.
Welcome RobinH, thank you so much for all that you have done. I apologize if any of the posts you read here sound like they are negative about you. Unfortunitly, for us we have run into people too many times while working on other cases who are insincere and out right fraudulant and malicious in their claims. This has nutured a healthy, but sometimes unforunite hesitation in outright acceptance of what people present to us. I aplogize if you were offended in anyway. Now lets move on to what is really important here Anna and your friend!! It is clear to me you have made extrodinary efforts in trying to help your friend and help find Anna, I thank you for that. The photo of your friend to Anna has an extrodinary resembalance. Thank you so much for all you have done. Many of us here have access to various reserach tools and archieves so if there is anyway we can help with your searching let us know.
Welcome to Websleuths :)

Mjak

[RobinH]

I do understand, and no harm done. I will continue to research Christine and also will continue to look for Anna in other areas. I would also like you all to know that Christine is getting married in 2 weeks, and although she said she would try to locate pictures, she has told me that from day one, and has not done so, that is why I am going to search the libraries myself. Keep in mind that one of the schools is quite a distance from me, and I will not be able to get there until later this week. I may also have other sources for photos of her, since I found out yesterday that many of her relatives work at a company where I may be able to contact them as well.

[Gina_M]

Hi Robin, and welcome to Websleuths! I run the Anna Waters Missing 1973 on Myspace. Glad to see you posting over here too :)

[Shadow205]

Hi Robin, welcome to WS's. My page for Anna is "Looking For Anna Christian Waters" over at myspace.

If you want to take a look, click here http://www.myspace.com/rust205

I have a couple of other missing on there too.

[gardenmom]

Welcome Robin. We appreciate what you are trying to do. Whether this turns out to be Anna or not, it is people like you who are willing to take a leap who will help bring Anna home.

[SanJoaquinValleyGirl]

I am 6 yrs older than Anna and also from California and I was given a (1) sheet of pics after graduating High School that had all my pictures on it from kindergarten thru 12th grade. They were all on one page and were about the size of a large postage stamp. You might try contacting her High School or the School district where she last attended school. Good Luck !

[Shadow205]

I am 6 yrs older than Anna and also from California and I was given a (1) sheet of pics after graduating High School that had all my pictures on it from kindergarten thru 12th grade. They were all on one page and were about the size of a large postage stamp. You might try contacting her High School or the School district where she last attended school. Good Luck !
I have never seen that done with the pictures before but what a cool idea!

[Gina_M]

Welcome Robin. We appreciate what you are trying to do. Whether this turns out to be Anna or not, it is people like you who are willing to take a leap who will help bring Anna home.
Amen to that! :)

[itsreenw]

I am 6 yrs older than Anna and also from California and I was given a (1) sheet of pics after graduating High School that had all my pictures on it from kindergarten thru 12th grade. They were all on one page and were about the size of a large postage stamp. You might try contacting her High School or the School district where she last attended school. Good Luck !How nice. We didn't get that in the Fairfield/Suisun School District :o(

Will someone tell me where I can see the pics of the Anna lookalike?? Why can't I find her on the threads here? I must be having "a moment".

[Shadow205]

How nice. We didn't get that in the Fairfield/Suisun School District :o(

Will someone tell me where I can see the pics of the Anna lookalike?? Why can't I find her on the threads here? I must be having "a moment".
Page 4 :D

[SanJoaquinValleyGirl]

It is not done here either, I got mine by chance. My Councelor gave it to me at the end of Summer School, I was graduating a year early and was done with school. I have never seen anyone else get one,I really think there is probably one for everyone. Can't hurt to inquire.

[RobinH]

Still searching for early photo. I have been to 2 different libraries, no luck. I have called one school, waiting for a return call, I am going to the other school for the second time today to try and speak with someone. Just wanted everyone to know that I am doing all that I know to do here in my area. My other friend is also still trying to contact the relative that she works with to see if we can get a photo, but being Thanksgiving week, many are on vacation. Our libraries here do not keep photos of elementary students.

[Annasmom]

Still searching for early photo. I have been to 2 different libraries, no luck. I have called one school, waiting for a return call, I am going to the other school for the second time today to try and speak with someone. Just wanted everyone to know that I am doing all that I know to do here in my area. My other friend is also still trying to contact the relative that she works with to see if we can get a photo, but being Thanksgiving week, many are on vacation. Our libraries here do not keep photos of elementary students. Robin, thank you for this. Do I recall correctly that C. has no childhood pictures of herself? Do you know why this would be?

[Shadow205]

Still searching for early photo. I have been to 2 different libraries, no luck. I have called one school, waiting for a return call, I am going to the other school for the second time today to try and speak with someone. Just wanted everyone to know that I am doing all that I know to do here in my area. My other friend is also still trying to contact the relative that she works with to see if we can get a photo, but being Thanksgiving week, many are on vacation. Our libraries here do not keep photos of elementary students.
Robin, excuse me if I am wrong but C. does still live in the same area where she grew up correct? If I am correct on that, does she have any childhood friends that she has kept in contact with or knows how to reach? Perhaps there are others who might have pictures that she might be in. I am thinking like birthday parties that she might have attended as a child. I know I have pictures from all of my daughters B-Day parties and there are pictures of all of the kids who attended in them.
Thank you for checking with the schools on class pictures. I hope we get some good news from that.

[RobinH]

Robin, excuse me if I am wrong but C. does still live in the same area where she grew up correct? If I am correct on that, does she have any childhood friends that she has kept in contact with or knows how to reach? Perhaps there are others who might have pictures that she might be in. I am thinking like birthday parties that she might have attended as a child. I know I have pictures from all of my daughters B-Day parties and there are pictures of all of the kids who attended in them.
Thank you for checking with the schools on class pictures. I hope we get some good news from that.
She has not had a happy childhood, and has moved from one location to another all her life. No one that she knows of has any pictures. Her family had a fire at one time which might explain the lack of pictures that her family has. I just got back from my second school, and again.......waiting for another call.

[Dr. Doogie]

She has not had a happy childhood, and has moved from one location to another all her life...
She has had several addresses as an adult, but they have all been in the same general region within a single state.

[RobinH]

She has had several addresses as an adult, but they have all been in the same general region within a single state.
I agree, except I was told last week that she has also spent some time in a home of some sort without her siblings and she doesn't understand why. I am actually looking for a photo of her earliest school age to get a better match, and I do not believe that with all she has been through that we will find she remembers any friends from that part of her life. I have however found out that her earliest school has closed and have called the archives of that school. I am hoping to hear from them soon. I also know that her best friend has been and still is her sister. I am pretty sure that I will be able to get a high school picture if that is what we want here. Even though it appears she was in the same area, you might want to know that her youngest school memory is here, while her high school years are several miles away.

[Dr. Doogie]

Robin makes a good point: with her memories of her childhood being so sketchy, it is possible that she did reside elsewhere and not remember it.

I wonder if her relationship with her older siblings (she is the youngest in the family) is any better than the one with her mother? If so and she still has contact with them, they may be able to provide some missing answers - not the least of which is: did I just suddenly appear as a family member when I was five years old?

[RobinH]

I wonder if her relationship with her older siblings (she is the youngest in the family) is any better than the one with her mother? If so and she still has contact with them, they may be able to provide some missing answers - not the least of which is: did I just suddenly appear as a family member when I was five years old?
No, she only talks to one sister, and they are close in age, possibly even not blood sisters because of the adoption, and that sister is very curious too. I have received a call back from her youngest school, and they are not required to keep files on elementary children, so have no picture. However, when they send the child's records to a new school, there are photos attached. So now I am waiting for the next phone call.

[Annasmom]

I agree, except I was told last week that she has also spent some time in a home of some sort without her siblings and she doesn't understand why. This really raises a red flag for me. I wonder if there is any way to find out whether the parents took in foster children. Would they have to be registered in the state? Does anybody have any ideas?

[RobinH]

This really raises a red flag for me. I wonder if there is any way to find out whether the parents took in foster children. Would they have to be registered in the state? Does anybody have any ideas?
When she told me about this, she explained that for some unknown reason, she remembers being taken away from her mom and placed in some type of facility for awhile and then she was returned to her mother. She also remembers later that she had to go live with her grandmother for a period before being sent to an uncle's house, and then going home again. During the time that she was with her grandma and her uncle, she knows that their house burned down. It has nothing to do with her mother taking in foster children. She did not have a happy childhood, and is left with many questions.

[Annasbro]

Hello Robin. For the benefit of those that don't the full story, could you please summarize the course of events that got us to this point: as far as how you got to know the prospective match etc. From the outside the story is a bit fragmented. It would be nice to try to iron out what is fact and what is conjecture without infringing on anyone's privacy. It might help direct the search as far as this specific candidate in a focussed direction. Thank you for helping!

[RobinH]

This really raises a red flag for me. I wonder if there is any way to find out whether the parents took in foster children. Would they have to be registered in the state? Does anybody have any ideas?
As far as foster parenting in Michigan, I was a foster parent for 15 years in the 1970's and 80's. It required 3 visits from caseworkers to become licensed. It was not an easy task back then, and once becoming a foster parent, visits from caseworkers were very frequent.

[RobinH]

Hello Robin. For the benefit of those that don't the full story, could you please summarize the course of events that got us to this point: as far as how you got to know the prospective match etc. From the outside the story is a bit fragmented. It would be nice to try to iron out what is fact and what is conjecture without infringing on anyone's privacy. It might help direct the search as far as this specific candidate in a focussed direction. Thank you for helping!
Yes Annasmom, I would be happy to. First I met someone on MySpace who was profiling Anna. We had a conversation about an adoptee in my state. At that time I saw a picture of Anna (age progressed) and immediately recognized my friend that I had just recently met at a restaurant that I frequent. She is a waitress. I was surprised at the resemblences, but asked 2 other friends their opinion on the similarities. All agreed, the match was good. I then went to visit my friend and show her the pics of Anna as well as share Anna's story with her. She became a little concerned when I at first showed her the pics, asking how did I get pictures of her when she was youger. Then she told me that she had been adopted, but she has always been told that she was her mother's daughter biologically, but not her adopted dad's. She has since shared many events of her life with me, and let me take a picture of her to share with all of you. She does not believe that she is Anna, however she feels that her life, the pictures, etc. warrent a closer look. I will be happy to answer any questions that anyone has, and if I don't have the answer, I will ask her........Hope this helps.

[Annasbro]

Thanks - It does help

[Dr. Doogie]

When she told me about this, she explained that for some unknown reason, she remembers being taken away from her mom and placed in some type of facility for awhile and then she was returned to her mother.
The woman mentioned in my discussion with her that her mother was a "party girl", so it is possible that the woman was placed in a temporary foster situation while the mother was serving a short sentence on drug charges (or other substance abuse crimes).

She also remembers later that she had to go live with her grandmother for a period before being sent to an uncle's house, and then going home again.
This is somewhat problematic: this means that for this woman to be Anna, not only would the mother and father be involved (not to mention any older siblings who would have been of an age that it would have registered that something was not right about the situation), it would also require complicity by a grandmother and uncle in the deception. I have always imagined that if Anna was taken by a couple, that the couple would have been isolated from any other family so as to not create any prying questions about where Anna had come from.

Now, it is possible that entire families might be involved in criminal activities (including grandmothers and uncles), it does seem less likely that this would occur. I guess that it also would be possible that the couple may have "disappeared" from their family for a period of over five years, then re-established contact and introduced the family to their five year old daughter. However, this seems a stretch.

[RobinH]

This is somewhat problematic: this means that for this woman to be Anna, not only would the mother and father be involved (not to mention any older siblings who would have been of an age that it would have registered that something was not right about the situation), it would also require complicity by a grandmother and uncle in the deception. I have always imagined that if Anna was taken by a couple, that the couple would have been isolated from any other family so as to not create any prying questions about where Anna had come from.
Wouldn't it depend on which Grandma? Was it mom's mother, biological father's mother, or adopted father's mother? Adopted father's mother may not have a clue.

[Dr. Doogie]

Wouldn't it depend on which Grandma? Was it mom's mother, biological father's mother, or adopted father's mother? Adopted father's mother may not have a clue.
Good point. In my best Rosanna Rosannadanna impression: "Never mind..."

[Annasmom]

Robin, can you find out whether C. has a smallpox vaccination scar and if so, where? (Mine is on my leg, for instance, but lots of people have them on an arm or shoulder.) She must be medical records somewhere. Do you have to have a blood test in your state to get married?

[Annasmom]

As far as foster parenting in Michigan, I was a foster parent for 15 years in the 1970's and 80's. It required 3 visits from caseworkers to become licensed. It was not an easy task back then, and once becoming a foster parent, visits from caseworkers were very frequent. Without creating a scenario where this might be the case, I think it is possible that all C's brothers and sisters are not blood relatives and that some kind of informal foster care could have taken place.

[RobinH]

Robin, can you find out whether C. has a smallpox vaccination scar and if so, where? (Mine is on my leg, for instance, but lots of people have them on an arm or shoulder.) She must be medical records somewhere. Do you have to have a blood test in your state to get married?
Yes, I will be seeing her tomorrow and will ask her about her smallpox scar. Although I do believe that our state was giving those shots mandatory during those years and didn't stop until around 1976. And yes, we used to need a blood test before marriage, however I don't know if that is still true. I will get that answer for you too.

[gardenmom]

I must have missed where C was adopted. Can someone tell me, so I do not have to backtrack, was the birth announcement for C for her bio family, or adopted family? I am confused. :confused:

[RobinH]

I must have missed where C was adopted. Can someone tell me, so I do not have to backtrack, was the birth announcement for C for her bio family, or adopted family? I am confused. :confused:
Sorry Gardenmom, Yes, C was adopted. She was told that her mother is her birthmother, but her stepfather adopted her after she was born. When she went to get her birth certificate, it was missing many pieces of information, and she had no clue where to find her original one before the adoption. I went to the public library using the names that she gave me, and found a birth announcement in the local paper for a girl born to the names that she had given me as her possible birth parents. The newspaper article was in a paper that was published 8 days after her birth date.

[Annasmom]

Sorry Gardenmom, Yes, C was adopted. She was told that her mother is her birthmother, but her stepfather adopted her after she was born. When she went to get her birth certificate, it was missing many pieces of information, and she had no clue where to find her original one before the adoption. I went to the public library using the names that she gave me, and found a birth announcement in the local paper for a girl born to the names that she had given me as her possible birth parents. The newspaper article was in a paper that was published 8 days after her birth date. I thought the article in the paper only had the name believed to be that of her birth father and not the mother?

[Dr. Doogie]

I thought the article in the paper only had the name believed to be that of her birth father and not the mother?
The article lists the parents for all the births as "Mr. & Mrs. John Smith" (using only the fathers name), so the lack of a mother's name is not suspicious. It definitely was a different era...

[gardenmom]

The article lists the parents for all the births as "Mr. & Mrs. John Smith" (using only the fathers name), so the lack of a mother's name is not suspicious. It definitely was a different era...

So, was C's birth announcment listed as Mr. and Mrs. John Smith? If so, were they married? Or were they unmarried, but listed in the paper incorrectly? Has C ever met her birth father?

[Dr. Doogie]

So, was C's birth announcment listed as Mr. and Mrs. John Smith? If so, were they married? Or were they unmarried, but listed in the paper incorrectly? Has C ever met her birth father?
They were married (though the way the paper had the notices set up, they had no means of listing someone born to a single parent - as I said: "a different era"). One of the earliest memories that the woman has is of her supposed birth-father hugging her and her sister and saying that he would see them soon. She did not have any contact with him until decades later. The woman has stated that her "birth-father" is "not a nice man".

[RobinH]

So, was C's birth announcment listed as Mr. and Mrs. John Smith? If so, were they married? Or were they unmarried, but listed in the paper incorrectly? Has C ever met her birth father?
No, she has not met her father, she did not even know his last name until I found that article in the paper. When I told her the father's last name she said "Who's that?". The last name was correctly linked to her based on some internet searches that were done as well.

Also, received my last phone call from the schools she attended, no photos to be found. I have the option of contacting some of her family members for photos, and will do that next week. Also there is one more possibility, one of the elementary schools has an archive, but the woman who handles that is on vacation. Maybe when she gets back I can get her to search for me.

[Dr. Doogie]

No, she has not met her father, she did not even know his last name until I found that article in the paper. When I told her the father's last name she said "Who's that?". The last name was correctly linked to her based on some internet searches that were done as well.
I understood differently, but I may be wrong also. We should clarify this in our next conversation with her.

Also, received my last phone call from the schools she attended, no photos to be found. I have the option of contacting some of her family members for photos, and will do that next week. Also there is one more possibility, one of the elementary schools has an archive, but the woman who handles that is on vacation. Maybe when she gets back I can get her to search for me.
We will want to be real careful about who who speak to in her family if she may be Anna. We will need to make sure that they are aware of our search and are not part of any conspiracy to abduct Anna. The wrong information in the wrong person's hands could be quite dangerous.

[RobinH]

I understood differently, but I may be wrong also. We should clarify this in our next conversation with her.

I will ask her when I see her tonight again. I do know that she did not know the last name that she was given at birth. She knew her father's first name only.


We will want to be real careful about who who speak to in her family if she may be Anna. We will need to make sure that they are aware of our search and are not part of any conspiracy to abduct Anna. The wrong information in the wrong person's hands could be quite dangerous.
I have a plan, thought about this last night....C is getting married, I want a photo of her for a shower or wedding gift that I will be giving her.

[Dr. Doogie]

I have a plan, thought about this last night....C is getting married, I want a photo of her for a shower or wedding gift that I will be giving her.Devious...I like it! :D

[RobinH]

I understood differently, but I may be wrong also. We should clarify this in our next conversation with her.
I stand corrected. C did meet her father when she was 30 years old. She has a few choice names for him.

[RobinH]

Robin, can you find out whether C. has a smallpox vaccination scar and if so, where? (Mine is on my leg, for instance, but lots of people have them on an arm or shoulder.) She must be medical records somewhere. Do you have to have a blood test in your state to get married?
Annasmom, yes, C does have a smallpox vacination on her upper left arm. No, blood tests are not required here to get married. Tonight when I spoke with her she called her Dr. to ask for her blood type. Dr. told her that she can get that information, but she must come to the office to request it. She wants me to ask if you know Anna's blood type. If you do, C will get her information for you.
C really is a sweetheart and wants to do anything she can to find out if she is Anna or not. Tonight she said, "Even if I am not Anna, I feel a kinship to her, and can't wait to meet her".
She says she has talked to everyone in her family and asked for pictures because she wants to do a slide show, but NO ONE has pictures of her. She recalls a picture of herself when she was younger with blonde hair and pigtails. For awhile she had the picture, but her older sister took it from her, and they do not talk today.
Another thing that she relayed is that everyone has always told her that as a youngster, she talked all the time.
That is the information that I have right now, except that the man we thought was her uncle is not at the company where my other friend works, however she does have at least 2 uncles there. It is a big company, and will take a little time to locate them, but C says they do not have pics either. We will try to locate them and ask anyway.

[Dr. Doogie]

I think that we may be getting down to DNA Test time. I know that C. has consented to submit a sample and this may be our best and quickest way to settle the question definitively. There is still the big question about the birth announcement, but so many other things are lining up that a DNA test seems to be the next logical step.

Any thoughts, fellow sleuthers?

[Annasmom]

I think that we may be getting down to DNA Test time. I know that C. has consented to submit a sample and this may be our best and quickest way to settle the question definitively. There is still the big question about the birth announcement, but so many other things are lining up that a DNA test seems to be the next logical step.

Synchronicity: Detective Gilletti just now left the house after collecting DNA samples from me. He says it's not like CSI; it will take about three months to process everything. He also took some shoes and boots of Anna's which his DNA experts believe may give us actual samples of hers. (I kept the cowboy boots which Annasfriend remembered, but gave them another pair of boots, two pairs of shoes and a fuzzy houseslipper.) He was as nice as he could be, and imparted some incidental wisdom such as the fact that the department is actually checking out an "Anna" reported from MySpace, investigated by Doogie more than a year ago. The department received this report independently and is acting on it, though we don't think the young woman is our Anna. (Doogie wrote them in order to avoid their going on a wild goose chase and they did receive his letter, but want to look into it anyway. ) Detective Gilletti specializes in missing persons for the department, and he also works with Explorer Scouts, who helped with the physical search of the farm in 1973. My cat, Mimi, absolutely loved Detective Gilletti, and I'm afraid he is going home with lots of cat hair on his trousers (but of course none in the sample kit, which is assembled with gloves and sterile procedure.) They have also contacted local authorities in order to take samples from Anna's brothers where they live near Seattle and Los Angeles.

[Shadow205]

I think that we may be getting down to DNA Test time. I know that C. has consented to submit a sample and this may be our best and quickest way to settle the question definitively. There is still the big question about the birth announcement, but so many other things are lining up that a DNA test seems to be the next logical step.

Any thoughts, fellow sleuthers?
I think that it is time. There is so much that matches Anna, we need to know if this is Anna. If it is not we need to know that as soon as possible too. I can't stand the thought of this dragging on and what that would be like for Annasmom. For her sake, I say the sooner the better.

[Shadow205]

Annasmom,
Is Detective Gilletti aware of our Anna look-alike?

[SherlockJr]

I think that we may be getting down to DNA Test time. I know that C. has consented to submit a sample and this may be our best and quickest way to settle the question definitively. There is still the big question about the birth announcement, but so many other things are lining up that a DNA test seems to be the next logical step.

Any thoughts, fellow sleuthers?
I would like to put my vote in! How about asking SMPD what their thoughts are about a "quickie" dna with the Anna look-alike.

Annasmom, did you mention C. to the detective this evening or afternoon?

[GraceBlue]

Annasmom- Thanks for the update. I am glad they are taking samples.

RobinH- Thank you for bringing in C. Whether or not she is Anna, you did the right thing. :)

[Gina_M]

I think that we may be getting down to DNA Test time. I know that C. has consented to submit a sample and this may be our best and quickest way to settle the question definitively. There is still the big question about the birth announcement, but so many other things are lining up that a DNA test seems to be the next logical step.

Any thoughts, fellow sleuthers?
Yes! I echo what the others said. C seems willing, so I think it should be done as soon as possible.

[itsreenw]

Ok guys and gals, call me dumb, but I don't see any pics but the one of Anna (pg 4). Where are the look-alike's pics?

[julianne]

Ok guys and gals, call me dumb, but I don't see any pics but the one of Anna (pg 4). Where are the look-alike's pics?

itsreenw---page 4, post #77 by Dr. Doogie. There are two links.

[smile22]

everyday i come on the threads here their is always good news and bringing us closer to finding anna. how long would it take for the look alike to get her blood type? would it be faster than the dna samples that are going to take 3 months to complete?



hope everyone has a great holiday tommrow

[Shadow205]

Ok guys and gals, call me dumb, but I don't see any pics but the one of Anna (pg 4). Where are the look-alike's pics?
Itsreenw,

Look at page #4 posts 83 & 90 again. Those are not just Anna's pics.

[SherlockJr]

Annasmom, yes, C does have a smallpox vacination on her upper left arm. No, blood tests are not required here to get married. Tonight when I spoke with her she called her Dr. to ask for her blood type. Dr. told her that she can get that information, but she must come to the office to request it. She wants me to ask if you know Anna's blood type. If you do, C will get her information for you.
Does C. have a pediatrician that she visited as a child? She may be able to get some records from their office. Earliest visit, childhood illnesses, etc.

[christine2448]

Doogie,

Christine is working on finding someone who might have old class pictures at classmates.com. There are quite a few students registered for that school. If that doesn't come up with anything then I think we will contact the school and see if the took class pictures there during the 70's.I have had not one response...I even paid for a gold membership at classmates.com to email all the people of the school Shadow gave me.....all blut 3 have read my email, but not one has replied :(


I am still reading/catching up on the last few days....do you all need to me to call the school? Keep emailing? Or are you already beyond this step.

Praying for you Annasmom and bro and uncle and whoever else!

[RobinH]

I have had not one response...I even paid for a gold membership at classmates.com to email all the people of the school Shadow gave me.....all blut 3 have read my email, but not one has replied :(


I am still reading/catching up on the last few days....do you all need to me to call the school? Keep emailing? Or are you already beyond this step.

Praying for you Annasmom and bro and uncle and whoever else!
I have contacted 2 schools and their archives. They do not have to keep student pictures in our state. There may be 2 more possibilities. The main person at the school in charge of the archives is on vacation and will not be back until next week. No one else there was willing to dig through the archives. I will call her when she is back from vacation. There is also a possibility that one more school in the area may have an elementary pic, but I will wait until after this weekend to contact them, they are about an hour away from me. Also, it has been brought to my attention that in our state, when a student moves to a new school, all pictures go with them (thinking of student ID), and in contacting her school of graduation, they destroy those pictures, so that is a dead end.

[christine2448]

I think that it is time. There is so much that matches Anna, we need to know if this is Anna. If it is not we need to know that as soon as possible too. I can't stand the thought of this dragging on and what that would be like for Annasmom. For her sake, I say the sooner the better.
I'm in agreement w/Shadow, the sooner the better, for EVERYONE involved.


I can't imagine what Annasmom, Doogie, EVERYONE, is feeling right now that is so close to this....prayers for truth and strength.

[christine2448]

I have contacted 2 schools and their archives. They do not have to keep student pictures in our state. There may be 2 more possibilities. The main person at the school in charge of the archives is on vacation and will not be back until next week. No one else there was willing to dig through the archives. I will call her when she is back from vacation. There is also a possibility that one more school in the area may have an elementary pic, but I will wait until after this weekend to contact them, they are about an hour away from me. Also, it has been brought to my attention that in our state, when a student moves to a new school, all pictures go with them (thinking of student ID), and in contacting her school of graduation, they destroy those pictures, so that is a dead end.Hiya Robin! Thanks.

Maybe I need to try another approach?

Doogie?

I basically emailed stating I am working on a missing case, the child abducted may have been a classmate, would they be willing to share any class pictures.

Any idears?

Maybe another email, but w/more info? Links? Not sure what to do.

[Dr. Doogie]

I'm in agreement w/Shadow, the sooner the better, for EVERYONE involved.


I can't imagine what Annasmom, Doogie, EVERYONE, is feeling right now that is so close to this....prayers for truth and strength.A private DNA test would only be a coup