Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother NC Part 3

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[5bigfish5]

Since we just switched over to #3, and I really don't know how to make this thing do something it apparently doesn't want to, please bear with me. Sorry.



Brought over from the previous thread:

Close Enough said @ 10:23 on 11-19:
i think Cassidy said a lot...i've thought that from the very minute i heard the 911 call....


Close Enough, what scares me the most, is that Jason and his family have had access to Cassidy for days now. Plenty of time to reprogram a 2+ yr. old to answer the question,

What happened to your mommy?


Bad man killed my mommy.

Get my drift?

[hollyjokers]

Sheesh! I was trying to catch up by reading the first thread, which has taken about 5 HOURS & find out we're now on thread #3.

Just my 2 cents: I agree with everyone who has pointed out the similarities between this & Peterson: her pretty smile & being a go-getter, the bizarro alibi, the family backing him without regard for appearing callous, & remarkably, here we are once again debating a two-trip theory!

No one has brought it up for awhile but when reading about the creepy 15 yo neighbor kid, I thought how convenient for JY. I mean if you are planning to knock off your pregnant wife & the Vitale case was just in the news a few months ago wouldn't that be a perfect little red herring? "No, God no, Michelle didn't have any enemies, everybody just loved her...well, there is this weird kid lives up the road, she said he made her really nervous."

I really believe this guy has read, not OJ's book "If I did it", but Scott Lee Peterson's book "If I had it to do over again, what I wouldn't do" You will not see this guy on Diane Sawyer, you will not see him on Greta or any local media sources begging for information about his wife's murder, you will not see him in court yukking it up with his attorney. There will be no recorded phone calls from Paris with Francois & Pasquale. Instead of the obvious lack of emotion, he's falling to his knees, throwing himself on the casket - in both instances his face can be obscured til he gets the proper amount of tears worked up. I really hope LE has ripped out the drains of every water source in that house.

Also, if you were going to your parents for the weekend, assuming since they lived 5 hours away they did not get to see little Cassidy as much as they would like, wouldn't you think he would take her with him? Leaving the night before with Cassidy in tow would make more sense as that would give him time to drive her to the gp's house & then on to his meeting. But IMO, this would make his alibi look even shadier because he would have gone to the old standby "I'm way over here in Brevard with Cassie & haven't been able to get a hold of Michelle, can you go check on her?" There is another little thing that kind of stuck out to me & I can't think of it right now - oh I know it's the fax/print-out thing. Supposedly it was to get Meredith's opinion on the purse, why would it be necessary to print out anything? Emailing or calling her w/the link I think is what most people would do. "Just how dumb are you people" - not quite as dumb as a person who would believe Meredith was sent there for any other reason than to discover her sister's body & retrieve her little niece.

[ShowerSinger]

Sheesh! I was trying to catch up by reading the first thread, which has taken about 5 HOURS & find out we're now on thread #3.

Just my 2 cents: I agree with everyone who has pointed out the similarities between this & Peterson: her pretty smile & being a go-getter, the bizarro alibi, the family backing him without regard for appearing callous, & remarkably, here we are once again debating a two-trip theory!

No one has brought it up for awhile but when reading about the creepy 15 yo neighbor kid, I thought how convenient for JY. I mean if you are planning to knock off your pregnant wife & the Vitale case was just in the news a few months ago wouldn't that be a perfect little red herring? "No, God no, Michelle didn't have any enemies, everybody just loved her...well, there is this weird kid lives up the road, she said he made her really nervous."

I really believe this guy has read, not OJ's book "If I did it", but Scott Lee Peterson's book "If I had it to do over again, what I wouldn't do" You will not see this guy on Diane Sawyer, you will not see him on Greta or any local media sources begging for information about his wife's murder, you will not see him in court yukking it up with his attorney. There will be no recorded phone calls from Paris with Francois & Pasquale. Instead of the obvious lack of emotion, he's falling to his knees, throwing himself on the casket - in both instances his face can be obscured til he gets the proper amount of tears worked up. I really hope LE has ripped out the drains of every water source in that house.

Also, if you were going to your parents for the weekend, assuming since they lived 5 hours away they did not get to see little Cassidy as much as they would like, wouldn't you think he would take her with him? Leaving the night before with Cassidy in tow would make more sense as that would give him time to drive her to the gp's house & then on to his meeting. But IMO, this would make his alibi look even shadier because he would have gone to the old standby "I'm way over here in Brevard with Cassie & haven't been able to get a hold of Michelle, can you go check on her?" There is another little thing that kind of stuck out to me & I can't think of it right now - oh I know it's the fax/print-out thing. Supposedly it was to get Meredith's opinion on the purse, why would it be necessary to print out anything? Emailing or calling her w/the link I think is what most people would do. "Just how dumb are you people" - not quite as dumb as a person who would believe Meredith was sent there for any other reason than to discover her sister's body & retrieve her little niece.
AND, it was the weekend. A friday. Why not take wifey along, too? His story reeks. SOB

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I really believe this guy has read, not OJ's book "If I did it", but Scott Lee Peterson's book "If I had it to do over again, what I wouldn't do" You will not see this guy on Diane Sawyer, you will not see him on Greta or any local media sources begging for information about his wife's murder, you will not see him in court yukking it up with his attorney.

Also, if you were going to your parents for the weekend, assuming since they lived 5 hours away they did not get to see little Cassidy as much as they would like, wouldn't you think he would take her with him?

There is another little thing that kind of stuck out to me & I can't think of it right now - oh I know it's the fax/print-out thing. Supposedly it was to get Meredith's opinion on the purse, why would it be necessary to print out anything? Emailing or calling her w/the link I think is what most people would do. "Just how dumb are you people" - not quite as dumb as a person who would believe Meredith was sent there for any other reason than to discover her sister's body & retrieve her little niece.

Hi hollyjokers and to you, (longtime, eh), ShowerSinger!

Eyup, thread #3 lol.. lots of stuff has been duplicated. I get the same feeling as both of you.

INDEED, holly, I feel the defense has learnt from other high-profile crimes: JY's been to told to shut-up - completely. NO media interviews - TV, radio, press, glossy - NOTHING! However, we are entitled to ponder WHY ... when he came back - his first priority was:

ME, ME, ME ... "I" must protect "myself" as they might look at "me".

Well, sure thing - that's his right and it has been repeated so often it's almost a stuck record: we understand and accept this move. Getting this high-profile criminal defense attorney is not the issue. He's also the only one to have received a court-order to submit to various tests; his the only vehicle impounded. He's obviously (imo) using Michelle's car.

It's WHEN he got the lawyer, HOW he dealt with the situation/family/crime scene/funeral and WHAT has been going on since. Is there something incriminating both sides are protecting? Let's face it, everyone's being very tight lipped. I'm convinced the Sheriff has no interest in feeding the media any tidbits, suggestions or details. That's good! Also tells me alot.

And you brought up a good point - if it was Michelle's Friday off, make no error, JY knew this much. Sending Meredith to collect a fax he didn't want Michelle to see already has it's peculiarities especially as he'd never asked this of Meredith, before.

The fact this 'surprise gift' was all arranged 6 weeks before Christmas and a couple weeks after their anniversary tells me we're either BELIEVING the Jasonites that it was for a leather purse (crazier, still) or this fax was for something else altogether.

JMHO

[otto]

Quote:

You're right. I was just reading the News Observer and quote:

"Willoughby said the order is less intrusive than a search warrant and requires the judge to hear less evidence before approving the order.

"The order is usually obtained when a person is not in custody, but [police] are trying to gather evidence because of their suspicions to complete their investigation," Willoughby said.

Law investigators can only obtain the order for offenses that are punishable by imprisonment for more than one year.

"It's not unusual for us to get a nontestimonial identification order," Willoughby said."

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/508250.html

I just thought it was interesting to see that he was named as a suspect and not a POI. Also, surprised at what they can get from Jason from this order.

This might have already been addressed in this thread and I apologize if I am duplicating. I'm having a problem keeping up.

JMHO

Thanks for finding that. I was pretty sure. This makes me think that the non-testimonial order means that the police just asked the judge for a warrant based on the fact that the husband always has to be eliminated and without any real affidavit of facts. That is, it means he is a suspect because he is the husband and not necessarily because of evidence ... just normal suspicion.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

AND, it was the weekend. A friday. Why not take wifey along, too? His story reeks. SOB

Hi Shower! :)

MY allegedly had a Dr's appointment - perhaps with Cassidy, et al, it would have been a 'relief' for MY to have some quiet/personal time on her day off and complete all her errands without being pressed for time? J/guessing, lol!

JY would have known this - but to interrupt a long drive, business meeting, hotel booking, visiting his parents ... etc ... while concentrating on some secret fax (to the point of calling Meredith) seems it had to be ultra urgentsensitive. If it was a frlight/hotel booking for Xmas, different. We're TOLD via unofficial, anonymous sources this was a purse (that can be bought anywhere up to midnight, Xmas Eve). So I'm not buying into this.

Been lots posts (save you reading all, lol) suggesting Meredith didn't seem nervous or suslicious. Two things come to mind: she'd have seen MY's car and prolly thought nothing other than "Yikes, I wonder if Shells has seen the fax!!!". If the garage-door was slightly open (sheer speculation nothing confirmed), then again - the scene would have seemed normal.

Meredith would have called out, looked around - perhaps seen things were not 'quite normal' and gone upstairs - Cassie may even have responded. Cass was found 'beside' her mom with bloody footprints everywhere: there had to have been some sign of struggle; this suggests to me MY was on the floor. Meredith made a point of saying "there's blood all over the bed" - not there's blood all around her....

Meredith didn't turn MY over (she was face-down, awkward position, heavy to move and cold) so she may not have seen the extent of the injuries.

I'd assume the 'fax' issue would have lost priority. Michelle and Cassie were her priorities... She called 911 ... confused and trying very hard to gather herself.

JMHO

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Thanks for finding that. I was pretty sure. This makes me think that the non-testimonial order means that the police just asked the judge for a warrant based on the fact that the husband always has to be eliminated and without any real affidavit of facts. That is, it means he is a suspect because he is the husband and not necessarily because of evidence ... just normal suspicion.

Thanks for this & morning otto! :)

Maybe, as JY had a lawyer, the best way to go was through the courts/ Would you think that Meredith ought to have been issued similar as she found the body - they were alone - and have her car impounded, too? (Ditto "company" from Thursday evening)

Nice to see you in here, lol...

[Taximom]

(snipped)
Close Enough, what scares me the most, is that Jason and his family have had access to Cassidy for days now. Plenty of time to reprogram a 2+ yr. old to answer the question,
What happened to your mommy?

Bad man killed my mommy.
Get my drift?
I hope he/they aren't that desperate to even talk to a 2.5 yr old like that. IF Jason did this, and she saw or heard anything, I can see him trying to re-program her little brain though.

I'm hoping the Fisher's talked to her enough to glean information first-hand from her. They probably didn't have to ask questions. Sometimes if you just let them talk, they say more than you ever want to know. (You should hear the stories I hear in Sunday School!:eek:)

Anyone know who has the dog? Was it the dog he rescued? Do the Fishers have it?

Here's to hoping someone is arrested for this horrific crime before we need a thread for Part 4. *clink*

[otto]

Hi Shower! :)

MY allegedly had a Dr's appointment - perhaps with Cassidy, et al, it would have been a 'relief' for MY to have some quiet/personal time on her day off and complete all her errands without being pressed for time? J/guessing, lol!

JY would have known this - but to interrupt a long drive, business meeting, hotel booking, visiting his parents ... etc ... while concentrating on some secret fax (to the point of calling Meredith) seems it had to be ultra urgentsensitive. If it was a frlight/hotel booking for Xmas, different. We're TOLD via unofficial, anonymous sources this was a purse (that can be bought anywhere up to midnight, Xmas Eve). So I'm not buying into this.

Been lots posts (save you reading all, lol) suggesting Meredith didn't seem nervous or suslicious. Two things come to mind: she'd have seen MY's car and prolly thought nothing other than "Yikes, I wonder if Shells has seen the fax!!!". If the garage-door was slightly open (sheer speculation nothing confirmed), then again - the scene would have seemed normal.

Meredith would have called out, looked around - perhaps seen things were not 'quite normal' and gone upstairs - Cassie may even have responded. Cass was found 'beside' her mom with bloody footprints everywhere: there had to have been some sign of struggle; this suggests to me MY was on the floor. Meredith made a point of saying "there's blood all over the bed" - not there's blood all around her....

Meredith didn't turn MY over (she was face-down, awkward position, heavy to move and cold) so she may not have seen the extent of the injuries.

I'd assume the 'fax' issue would have lost priority. Michelle and Cassie were her priorities... She called 911 ... confused and trying very hard to gather herself.

JMHO

Hey PSA. We were trying to figure out if Michelle was on the floor or the bed last night and found a couple of media links saying that Michelle was on the bed. This seemed to work with the 911 call where Meredith told the 911 operator that she had moved a pillow and that there was blood on the bed. Cassidy could have climbed up on the bed to get to her mom.

[otto]

Thanks for this & morning otto! :)

Maybe, as JY had a lawyer, the best way to go was through the courts/ Would you think that Meredith ought to have been issued similar as she found the body - they were alone - and have her car impounded, too? (Ditto "company" from Thursday evening)

Nice to see you in here, lol...

It's a bit early for me, but the wind woke me up. Meredith may have quickly given fingerprints and DNA when she was at the scene. If Jason had offered, I'm pretty sure the police wouldn't have had to get the non-testimonial order.

We were wondering last night too if the Honda left in the driveway overnight on Nov 4 was Merediths. Charlie found some info that the Young's owned an SUV (that Jason was driving) and a Lexus, but no Honda.

[Taximom]

Scandi posted this at 12:18a.m. on Pt. 2 but I brought it here because I wanted to know if I missed something:

"Ocean, was the safety gate shut si the baby couldn't go downstairs where the dog was?"

Do we know anything about baby gates? Do we know if the dog stayed inside or outside?

So many details to keep track of and yet we know nothing.:doh:

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hey PSA. We were trying to figure out if Michelle was on the floor or the bed last night and found a couple of media links saying that Michelle was on the bed. This seemed to work with the 911 call where Meredith told the 911 operator that she had moved a pillow and that there was blood on the bed. Cassidy could have climbed up on the bed to get to her mom.


Ahhh! That also makes sense (other than the heartbreaking picture your description reveals). Could very well be.

One thing that may affect our conclusions - not sure if you were around when I posted it - but I'm convinced 'specifics comments' have been spliced out of that tape. Some stuff LE would want kept private to sort bogus vs corect testimony?? Just a thought, but, certain parts that, once the tape was released, LE may quite rightly have instructed:

"Take that, that, that and THAT ... OUT ... then you may release it, provided we proof-listen to it before release."

One of the reasons I say this is clearly the 911-op linked the call to Sheriff's office and although we heard within SECONDS that a car was on it's way - I have to consider snips here and there...

[otto]

Scandi posted this at 12:18a.m. on Pt. 2 but I brought it here because I wanted to know if I missed something:

"Ocean, was the safety gate shut si the baby couldn't go downstairs where the dog was?"

Do we know anything about baby gates? Do we know if the dog stayed inside or outside?

So many details to keep track of and yet we know nothing.:doh:

As far as I've read, we don't know anything about where the dog stayed during the night and there hasn't really been any mention of baby gates. If there were bloody footprints all over the house, Cassidy was probably not restricted by baby gates and if she was walking and managing stairs okay, she may have outgrown tthem.

[otto]

Ahhh! That also makes sense (other than the heartbreaking picture your description reveals). Could very well be.

One thing that may affect our conclusions - not sure if you were around when I posted it - but I'm convinced 'specifics comments' have been spliced out of that tape. Some stuff LE would want kept private to sort bogus vs corect testimony?? Just a thought, but, certain parts that, once the tape was released, LE may quite rightly have instructed:

"Take that, that, that and THAT ... OUT ... then you may release it, provided we proof-listen to it before release."

One of the reasons I say this is clearly the 911-op linked the call to Sheriff's office and although we heard within SECONDS that a car was on it's way - I have to consider snips here and there...

I wondered the same thing. When Meredith asked Cassidy what happened, she starts to answer and then there's a thump ... almost like the tape is cropped without turning down the volume.

[Taximom]

As far as I've read, we don't know anything about where the dog stayed during the night and there hasn't really been any mention of baby gates. If there were bloody footprints all over the house, Cassidy was probably not restricted by baby gates and if she was walking and managing stairs okay, she may have outgrown tthem.
Thanks, I didn't think we had heard baby gates being used, although it's a possibility. We used baby gates to keep the children out of things, not just so they wouldn't take a fall down stairs. And I've seen where baby gates are used to keep dogs contained in an area.

Interesting thought.

[Bee Charmer]

Thanks for this & morning otto! :)

Maybe, as JY had a lawyer, the best way to go was through the courts/ Would you think that Meredith ought to have been issued similar as she found the body - they were alone - and have her car impounded, too? (Ditto "company" from Thursday evening)

Nice to see you in here, lol...
I bet LE did get samples from Meredith....but
they didn't need a court order, she cooperated. IMO.

[Taximom]

I wondered the same thing. When Meredith asked Cassidy what happened, she starts to answer and then there's a thump ... almost like the tape is cropped without turning down the volume.
We know they edited the phone number out. It is weird that it breaks right at that point when Cassidy is speaking.:banghead:

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Scandi posted this at 12:18a.m. on Pt. 2 but I brought it here because I wanted to know if I missed something:

"Ocean, was the safety gate shut si the baby couldn't go downstairs where the dog was?"

Do we know anything about baby gates? Do we know if the dog stayed inside or outside?

So many details to keep track of and yet we know nothing.:doh:

Hey, Taximom .... hope you have a great week taxiing eveyone around (snigger, snigger - don't envy ya, lol...) :)

Don't think we've heard anyhting official about b/gates - however, from all reports, Michelle was a doting, caring, security-conscious mom - so I don't think we're wrong to gather as much.

Also, for the Jasonites to state "JY would never do this with his dau there..." well, sorry but there's every possibility he could indeed have done this. We KNOW Cassie had fallen asleep earlier, because the very last sentence on one of those media reports stated (quoted from memory):

"Michelle put on a dvd for Cassidy, Cinderella, a Halloween gift that she watched until she fell asleep".

MY GUESS ... is that once Cassie was well into the land of nod, MY or JY carried her upstairs and put her to bed. She was asleep. She may have slept right through the incident.... and was not in same bed as Michelle as we heard Meredith telling Cassie to go to her room (probably, not possibly, imo).

Reports, not our guestimation or re-carving a timeline to fit given theories, state JY left circa 10:30 pm. He was seen leaving, with all of his luggage.

Until an official press report is released that infers otherwise, to assume he left 2 hours earlier is moot. Why on earth would friends arrive to watch a program that early?

We used to have a Tuesday night REGULAR to watch Dallas at 8:30 after the 8:00 pm news (lawd... I know, I KNOW ...sssshhhh, lol) and depending on whether the 'bunch' wanted to watch the news - they'd arrive ANYTIME from 5 to 8 through 8:30 pm.

But that was us, lol... We need to work our theory on what we know - as opposed to what the Jasonites are telling us we should know... Very confusing, perhaps designed that way?

[PolkSaladAnnie]

We know they edited the phone number out. It is weird that it breaks right at that point when Cassidy is speaking.:banghead:

Love yah! You're observant! Eyup, there are 3 places I feel the tape was spliced. You know ... Dark Knight would be the perfect member to come in here and offer his opinion, Tax: to listen to that tape and advise as he is also in radio - and will be able to detect this - happens regularly and on an hourly, if not daily basis in audio broadcasting world...

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I bet LE did get samples from Meredith....but
they didn't need a court order, she cooperated. IMO.

Well good morning to YOU, BeeCh! lol, I can only answer this way ... er, make that courtesy of Meatloaf:

"You took the words right out of my mouth - OWH! It musta bin while you were kissin me..."

Tee hee hee hee :)

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I wondered the same thing. When Meredith asked Cassidy what happened, she starts to answer and then there's a thump ... almost like the tape is cropped without turning down the volume.

With Tax on this one, otto - I feel there are at least 4 places (5th if you count the end of the tape), it cuts where Meredith, still talking to 911-op with Sheriff's deot on the line, says:

"I'm here with" then *snap* ... crackle & pop...

[Taximom]

Well good morning to YOU, BeeCh! lol, I can only answer this way ... er, make that courtesy of Meatloaf:

"You took the words right out of my mouth - OWH! It musta bin while you were kissin me..."

Tee hee hee hee :)Was this last comment a subliminal message to me? "Food" "Meatloaf" Hmm? How did you know I have to go get breakfast started? (Ick, no meatloaf-just pancakes and eggs.)

[PolkSaladAnnie]

It's a bit early for me, but the wind woke me up. Meredith may have quickly given fingerprints and DNA when she was at the scene. If Jason had offered, I'm pretty sure the police wouldn't have had to get the non-testimonial order.

We were wondering last night too if the Honda left in the driveway overnight on Nov 4 was Merediths. Charlie found some info that the Young's owned an SUV (that Jason was driving) and a Lexus, but no Honda.

Yes, I saw that. MY's car may still have been IN the garage; the Honda may have been Meredith's and LE (ehem) offered to give her a ride home... and, as you say, Meredith availed her car, fingerprints, hair samples, etc ... with no probs...

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Was this last comment a subliminal message to me? "Food" "Meatloaf" Hmm? How did you know I have to go get breakfast started? (Ick, no meatloaf-just pancakes and eggs.)

Haha - I saw my error and corrected it - was going to chime in and say Food Morning, BeeCh... lol (yeah, had to have been Meatloaf). Dunno why, but that man's mucis always energizes me, lol and feel very ----> :)

[strach304]

Scandi must've been tired and read my post about the baby gate and asked ocean if it was open. I'm the only one that has mentioned a baby gate as supposition for Cassidy being upstairs and the dog downstairs. I would think with a child that age and a staircase they'd definitely have one, I always did.

:laugh: Meredith didn't seem nervous or suslicious.
Is this anything like Nerkely Matina Polk?

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hi all - to save reading up, I thought I'd bring rasincharlie's post from Nov 16 about the impounding, etc... it's a good post - with salient links!

PSA,

I knew I had read an answer to your question somewhere so I searched articles again.

Apparently, the decision for Jason to have a lawyer is being claimed by his step-father who adamently expressed no desire for Jason to speak with any authorities. This is an interesting article.

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/507222.html

"When Jason Young arrived back in the Raleigh area, the sheriff's office impounded his sport utility vehicle with all of the luggage belonging to him, his mother, sister and brother-in-law, he said.

McIntyre said he told Jason Young to get a lawyer. He said he was afraid that police would pin the death on his stepson, regardless of evidence. "I do not want my son to be talking to any type of investigators," he said. "They're not going to be trustworthy when they talk to him."


Here is a bit more about the order and information indicating that it did not require him to speak with or be questioned by authorities:

http://www.newsobserver.com/928/story/508250.html

A Wake County Superior Court judge ordered Jason Young this week to provide sheriff's office investigators with fingerprints, blood samples or other forms of material evidence, said Colon Willoughby, Wake County's district attorney.

On Wednesday morning, Young went with his attorney to the sheriff's office in Raleigh to follow through with what is called a nontestimonial identification order, Willoughby said. The standard form used in nontestimonial identification orders refers to the targeted person -- Young in this case -- as a suspect but does not require that the person make a statement, nor can he or she be interrogated by detectives, Willoughby said.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Scandi must've been tired and read my post about the baby gate and asked ocean if it was open. I'm the only one that has mentioned a baby gate as supposition for Cassidy being upstairs and the dog downstairs. I would think with a child that age and a staircase they'd definitely have one, I always did.

:laugh: Meredith didn't seem nervous or suslicious.
Is this anything like Nerkely Matina Polk?

Thanks, strach. I'm assuming baby-gates are as essential as baby-car-seats, these days? And as MY was in her room and Cassie already asleep, it's almost 'the norm' to accept a b/gate was in place??

[PolkSaladAnnie]

:laugh: :laugh:


:laugh: Meredith didn't seem nervous or suslicious.
Is this anything like Nerkely Matina Polk?

LOL!!! NERKLEY MATINA!!! Oh lord, yes ... REMEMBER that! There was a poster that used to get totally upset with his gifted word-speak, lol... Poor chap, he never gave up and was teased off the planet.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

:crazy: susplicious

Er, new word for "splicing tape of hungry, suspected suspect..." :blush:

[strach304]

:laugh: :laugh:



LOL!!! NERKLEY MATINA!!! Oh lord, yes ... REMEMBER that! There was a poster that used to get totally upset with his gifted word-speak, lol... Poor chap, he never gave up and was teased off the planet.

That was the funniest thread I've ever seen, how could I forget? I like this new word though, suslicious. We must put it to good use. :)

[PolkSaladAnnie]

That was the funniest thread I've ever seen, how could I forget? I like this new word though, suslicious. We must put it to good use. :)


Lord! WHO ... who ... was it that absolutely ripped the mickey outta this and got everyone into it? Ugh ... b b b-bbb BEE .... MISS BONITA!!!! Lol... OK, so suslicious is ... a 'hot' suspect, lol??? ;)

[PolkSaladAnnie]

OK, I've edited my first post from "way back" on thread # 2: Please tell me what we've learnt susbsequently ...

charlie... this is so prejudiced on my part: but the short order that bugs me is as follows:

Within 24 hours, LE claim and reassure residents THIS WAS NOT A RANDOM CRIME .... and .... that belief has not been reported as changed:

1. Jason leaving (as reported) 10:30pm for an estimated 5-hr drive. Witnessed by many, with his suitcases.
2. He allegedly books a motel to break the journey
3. He checks in and allegedly calls home at 11 pm
4. That bugs me. 30 minutes out of town and he's stopping over?
5. He arrives at his parents earliest 2 pm (as it was 1:30 when Meredith called 911)
6. He'd called Meredith to collect a fax as JY didn't want MY to see it.
7. It was a 'surprise gift' - according to 'insiders', for a leather purse.
8. We don't know exactly when he had his business meeting; if at all.
9. Family (Internet posts, rather) are saying business in VA and 'swung' by his parents en route there - or home (still to be clarified).
10. His step-dad knew of the death before JY - who fell to the ground.
11. JY's fam travel back with him: all luggage/car impounded.
12. First thing - JY gets top lawyer; comms to LE stop forthwith.
13. Court requires JY to submit DNA samples (etc)
14. Funeral: JY distances himself from LE, MY's family and gives no obit at funeral
15. Goes to stay with family in brevard (not confirmed, believed Cassidy with him).
16. LE states JY not a suspect;they do not have a suspect at this time.
17. Talk shows begin covering this homicide:
18. Hammer comes in as suggested m/weapon (not confirmed).
19. Michelle's car is reported to be Lexus.
20. Meredith has her own home & car (presumed the gray Honda Accord)
21. Meredith & Fussell's websites brought down/ gone private viewing
22. Young residence open: investigations complete
22. LE commence interviewing trailer park behind Young's home
23. Has JY returned to his house?
24. The "fax" remains curious - nothing confirmed
25. SPECULATION ONLY alleges 'something' was missing in the home
26. Cassidy was alseep according to news reports, after watching Cinderella Thurs eve, 02 Nov.
27. MY found face down, cold, heavy, with blood on the bed and bloody footprints 'all over the house'.
28. Rigor takes up to 12 hours to set in; nothing from ME/LE to confirm TOD
29. No signs sexual assault
30. House not broken into; no signs forced entry
31. Dog was 'freaking out'
32. Cassie unharmed; no signs (then) or fear, distress or trauma

PLEASE ADD, TWEAK .... or ignore, lol :)

[Bee Charmer]

Well good morning to YOU, BeeCh! lol, I can only answer this way ... er, make that courtesy of Meatloaf:

"You took the words right out of my mouth - OWH! It musta bin while you were kissin me..."

Tee hee hee hee :)
:blushing: LOL, love Meatloaf.....he was on The Today
Show a few weeks ago and he rocked!!!!

I am hoping that this week, some intrepid investigative reporter
from Raleigh looks into the search warrants and what was
retrieved from JY. That should be public information unless someone
specifically files a brief asking that it remain sealed.

[hollyjokers]

Just a personal comment. Someone mentioned how Meredith didn't seem to want to turn Michelle over. I have no experience with actual rigor mortis, but when my father-in-law was dying of cancer, his breathing was very labored. Remembering how in the hospital, the nurses turned him on his side & he'd rested peacefully, my sister-in-law & I decided we would turn him from his back to his side. I'll never forget this: his lower body was completely locked & rigid. He'd lost so much weight, his thighs & shins were sharp as blades. If it were not for the labored breathing, I would have sworn he was in a state of rigor. There was no possible way the two of us could turn him. Meredith was there alone, plus she had poor little Cassidy there she was trying hard not to alarm.


Michelle does remind you of Laci, but he's no Horny B@st@ard. He looks more like Peterson East!

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Sorry you had to experience that, holly, but nonetheless - with rigor, the ghastly scene, an the awkward lay-of-the-body, pregnancy, etc - seems Meredith's predicament understandable.

For what it's worth - I sense Michelle was on the floor, next to her bed, face down; (obviously open toall theories), but that's the picture in my mind - and this is endorsed because of Meredith's claim of difficulty in turng the body. MY may have been too close to a wall to allow sufficient leverage, whereas a bed has a lot of space. So, I'm 'ear-marking' MY was on the floor... Cassidy kept going to sit next to her - and stepping into the blood-pools that escaped MY's injuries.

JMHO ... :)

[MrsMush99]

Holy Cow!! Thread #3! Boy these threads are moving fast. I haven't had time to post with the weekend being here and the kids and hubby home. This morning I'm off to mommy and me.

I'm going to have to start taking notes through the threads so that I remember what I was going to say before I get to the end of the thread.

I've read all of this thread so far, but haven't finished up #2.

I'm surprised that we haven't heard more from Michelle's family. I keep checking for news articles and there isn't anything past the 17th.

About the baby gate. I wouldn't be surprised is Cassidy was able to go up and down their stairs with not problem. Children her age usually can. However, a gate might have been up so she wouldn't go wondering around the house by herself with our her parents knowing. When my middle son was first put in a bed a put a gate up at his door so he would have to call me to come get it so he couldn't wander around and get himself hurt.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Holy Cow!! Thread #3! Boy these threads are moving fast. I haven't had time to post with the weekend being here and the kids and hubby home. This morning I'm off to mommy and me.



Hi MrsM !!! <<waving>> ...lol ... and by the time you finsih reading up... #3 will be well on it's way .... Heh. Nice to see you - look forward to your thoughts.

PSA :)

[PolkSaladAnnie]

:blushing: LOL, love Meatloaf.....he was on The Today
Show a few weeks ago and he rocked!!!!

I am hoping that this week, some intrepid investigative reporter
from Raleigh looks into the search warrants and what was
retrieved from JY. That should be public information unless someone
specifically files a brief asking that it remain sealed.

Heh - gosh I loved his Bat out of Hell CD's ...

May I drop an atomb bomb into all of this? Speculation only? Un-shocked follower of crime, slime and time? (Ooh, just made up a quick link before I get white-washed, heh heh: this is officially totallycrazy@polksaladannie.bom)

Lol, here goes... I expect to hear of another woman!

But, of course ... that doesn't make him a ... :silenced:

:cool:

[otto]

I'm off to work. It will be a particularly tough day because there was a car accident late Friday night where one person died and two are in critical condition ... it's been a tough weekend but I think the real challenge is yet to come. Hope y'all have a great day and please solve this one for me. Thanks.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I'm off to work. It will be a particularly tough day because there was a car accident late Friday night where one person died and two are in critical condition ... it's been a tough weekend but I think the real challenge is yet to come. Hope y'all have a great day and please solve this one for me. Thanks.

Look after yourself, otto!!! Drive carefully - and you know where we are. SOLVE it? We can only re-hash initial reports. LE are being too tight-lipped; neither family (aside from forum Jasonites) have knocked the media/LE - so there's obviously (IMO) stuff going on we surely will not hear about... YET ...

Have a good one - ya know exactly where to find us... so sneak in later, lol!

PSA :)

[strach304]

Since we're speculating because we have no info if Michele was found on the bed maybe she was put there. We don't know that the dog didn't bark wake her up and she went to check. Could've been hit in the hall, doorway or even downstairs. If Meredith said there was blood all over the house she might not have meant just footprints from Cassidy. If there was a baby gate (1st child, more protective) Cassidy didn't track blood downstairs or walls and if the dog was in the house he somehow didn't get to Michele or Cassidy?

Now of course LE and their csi team know all of this and I'm sure Meredith picked up on a lot while in the house. We have to admit we know very little right down to where the dog was.

[packerdog]

Good morning everyone. I am glad to see that there is a part 3, part 2 was so loooooong. I hope we hear some news today.

Someone mentioned a baby gate, good thought. If there was one at the top of the stairs, then there wouldn't be any bloody footprints downstairs. I wonder what MF saw when she first walked in. Didn't she say that things didn't look right to her?

[packerdog]

Since we're speculating because we have no info if Michele was found on the bed maybe she was put there. We don't know that the dog didn't bark wake her up and she went to check. Could've been hit in the hall, doorway or even downstairs. If Meredith said there was blood all over the house she might not have meant just footprints from Cassidy. If there was a baby gate (1st child, more protective) Cassidy didn't track blood downstairs or walls and if the dog was in the house he somehow didn't get to Michele or Cassidy?

Now of course LE and their csi team know all of this and I'm sure Meredith picked up on a lot while in the house. We have to admit we know very little right down to where the dog was.

We must have been thinking the same thing at the same time.LOL

[raisincharlie]

Here's a dummy question for you all - brief lead in to the question first.

Meredith has a Myspace so it is likely reasonable to assume she therefore has computer access. Since computers are also pretty common household items now days, it is also reasonable to assume she had computer access from her home. We can also assume she wasn't at work (if she works) on Friday the 3rd as JY called her to go pick up a fax.

Question - if this fax was actually about a gift for MY, why didn't JY just email it or have it emailed to Meredith ? Seems to me that would be easy to do, unless it was indeed a hard copy fax - which seems so antiquated for an on-line retailer IMO. I might add - color fax machines are not really common - color would be important if one is looking at a gift - no?

Which brings up another question, if he called Meredith to go get this fax - he was obviously aware enough of her schedule to believe she could go get it. Would he know more about her schedule than his wife's schedule ? I bring this up because the local reporter on this story (Lamb - can't remember her first name) has indicated that MY had a flex schedule and normally did not work on Fridays. It has also been speculated by the friends that MY had a Dr appointment on Friday.

JMO - the fax smells like a sturgeon...:p

[terminatrixator]

Maybe these were points that was mentioned previously, but there was a lot of posts to go through but I am also of the opinion that Michelle was on the floor, the pillow may have fallen off the bed, and we don't know how much room Meredith had to work with, in a state of disarray, pillow could have fallen.

In listening to the 911 call, I thought Meredith said when she was trying to turn Michelle over that she was trying to pull her clothes, when she was having a hard time pulling her over, did anyone else hear that?

For the record, I heard Daddy, myself when the tape cut out very clearly and also something that sounded like bee, beed or beeding very clearly.

My opinion also, for what it's worth, is Meredith was in shock and did well in keeping her cool for the sake of her niece.

I'm not at all surprised that we haven't heard lately from the victim's family much. Until the suspect is arrested, they have to keep ties open and access to Cassidy and we don't know what LE has asked of the family, which may be to keep a low profile, which happens often in cases such as this.

You guys have done an awesome job keeping up with things and there is still a lot of information for me to process still.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

GREAT... thinking, charlie! Yep, Meredith had MySpace - and she also owned a house:car ... so this is a modern, single gal that appreciates indepedence, enjoys the Internet - and therefore you're right, charlie - the Internet, lap top, crackberry (?), efax ... et al - completes the picture.

So ... indeed... this fax may be balarney: Jason was v comfortable to call Meredith - so he at least knew she was flexi enough to pop over. He HAD to have known his wife's sched the next day (day off??? Dr's appoint???).

Watching the Sheriff Interview video, I saw an LE officer pack the back/trunk of his vehicle and climb into the driver's seat with what looked like a lap top that he'd taken out of the rear and carried with him to front-seat (perhaps to ensure it was more secure up front).

BTW: Would Raleigh (surrounds) be considered "Deep South" ? Just asking... Ta in advance :)

[SewingDeb]

Since we're speculating because we have no info if Michele was found on the bed maybe she was put there. We don't know that the dog didn't bark wake her up and she went to check. Could've been hit in the hall, doorway or even downstairs. If Meredith said there was blood all over the house she might not have meant just footprints from Cassidy. If there was a baby gate (1st child, more protective) Cassidy didn't track blood downstairs or walls and if the dog was in the house he somehow didn't get to Michele or Cassidy?

Now of course LE and their csi team know all of this and I'm sure Meredith picked up on a lot while in the house. We have to admit we know very little right down to where the dog was.

Well thought out, Strach.

I was hoping to come on this morning and find an arrest. I have a feeling some news will come out this week.

[SewingDeb]

GREAT... thinking, charlie! Yep, Meredith had MySpace - and she also owned a house:car ... so this is a modern, single gal that appreciates indepedence, enjoys the Internet - and therefore you're right, charlie - the Internet, lap top, crackberry (?), efax ... et al - completes the picture.

So ... indeed... this fax may be balarney: Jason was v comfortable to call Meredith - so he at least knew she was flexi enough to pop over. He HAD to have known his wife's sched the next day (day off??? Dr's appoint???).

Watching the Sheriff Interview video, I saw an LE officer pack the back/trunk of his vehicle and climb into the driver's seat with what looked like a lap top that he'd taken out of the rear and carried with him to front-seat (perhaps to ensure it was more secure up front).

BTW: Would Raleigh (surrounds) be considered "Deep South" ? Just asking... Ta in advance :)

Annie,

I used to live near Raleigh before I moved to the mountains and I don't consider Raleigh as the Deep South. We're just barely south...lol.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Maybe these were points that was mentioned previously, but there was a lot of posts to go through but I am also of the opinion that Michelle was on the floor, the pillow may have fallen off the bed, and we don't know how much room Meredith had to work with, in a state of disarray, pillow could have fallen.

I'm not at all surprised that we haven't heard lately from the victim's family much. Until the suspect is arrested, they have to keep ties open and access to Cassidy and we don't know what LE has asked of the family, which may be to keep a low profile, which happens often in cases such as this.

You guys have done an awesome job keeping up with things and there is still a lot of information for me to process still.

Hey terminatrixator (lol - amazing nic!) ... seems you join many others in your immediate comnclusions. The pillow: logical thoughts there - maybe Michelle ended up the floor gripping a pillow - or a pillow landed on top of/alongside her - that's why Meredith had to move it???

Silence is Golden ... and you're right: when this egg is cracked it's going to be a whopper. I believe LE are ensuring they canvass every possible avenue, access, building, dweller, associate of michelle's from her home, family, neighbors, local residents, local store, local video (she'd just hired/bought one for Cassidy) ... through colleagues.

There's an undertone of faith exiting the golden silence: I think this Sheriff is paying attention to FACTS - not hype. JMO

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Also odd: Michelle was as much family to JY's family as to her own - his folk have said & shown ZIP. Is that odd or normal? Where's the mounring? Where are the statements to say "Our baby g/dau and her daddy have lost her mommy and his wife; she's our beloved dau-in-law. This is obscene. tragic and not acceptable. Please come forward with ANY information..."

Instead, J's step-dad fires off about LE investigator's and they all disappear.

Hmmmm... there are definitely divisions here - actions speak louder than words. Ehem ...

PSA :)

[close_enough]

Maybe these were points that was mentioned previously, but there was a lot of posts to go through but I am also of the opinion that Michelle was on the floor, the pillow may have fallen off the bed, and we don't know how much room Meredith had to work with, in a state of disarray, pillow could have fallen.

In listening to the 911 call, I thought Meredith said when she was trying to turn Michelle over that she was trying to pull her clothes, when she was having a hard time pulling her over, did anyone else hear that?

For the record, I heard Daddy, myself when the tape cut out very clearly and also something that sounded like bee, beed or beeding very clearly.

My opinion also, for what it's worth, is Meredith was in shock and did well in keeping her cool for the sake of her niece.

I'm not at all surprised that we haven't heard lately from the victim's family much. Until the suspect is arrested, they have to keep ties open and access to Cassidy and we don't know what LE has asked of the family, which may be to keep a low profile, which happens often in cases such as this.

You guys have done an awesome job keeping up with things and there is still a lot of information for me to process still.

morning trixator...morning everyone:)

thought i would add this in here again, since it's being brought up....there was no mention of Michelle having clothes on, but that doesn't mean she didn't....i THINK what some people are hearing about "pulling clothes/shirt, etc" is really where Meredith says she's going to try to get Michelle's pulse...maybe??....good point about the pillow though, trixator...we just don't know where this pillow was, that Meredith says she moved....but i'm going to go with Michelle being found on the bed since one news article states her body was found laying on her bed.....

this is exactly where the dispatcher starts trying to get Meredith to get Michelle on her back, & Meredith has just gotten Cassie to go to her own room "for 2 seconds".....there is no mention of a shirt....

dispatcher...."can you get her on her back?"

Meredith....(takes a deep breath) "ok - omg - Michelle?...i don't think so, she's so heavy"

dispatcher...."ok, see if you can get her on her back"

Meredith...."i really think she's dead"

dispatcher....."pardon?"

Meredith...."i really think she's dead"

dispatcher...."OK - - are you certain?"

Meredith...."hang on" - "Cassidy sweetie, please go in your room ok, honey?"
................."uh uh i'm pretty sure"

dispatcher....."you are?"

Meredith..."actually no, i don't know, um"

dispatcher...."ok, we need to make sure"

Meredith....."ok"

dispatcher....."can you get her on her back for me?"

Meredith...."she's kind of twisted in a way that i can't do that"

dispatcher...."you can't roll her over?"

Meredith...."no, not easily"

dispatcher...."alright, you're going to have to try"

Meredith...."hang on, i'm trying to see if i can get her pulse"....

*pause*

dispatcher...."we gotta try to do CPR, if we can get her on her back, Meredith"

Meredith...."oh (or no) she's ice cold"

dispatcher...."she's cold?"

Meredith...."yes"

dispatcher....."ok - alright"

Meredith...."her body is stiff"

dispatcher...."ok - then don't try"

[raisincharlie]

GREAT... thinking, charlie! Yep, Meredith had MySpace - and she also owned a house:car ... so this is a modern, single gal that appreciates indepedence, enjoys the Internet - and therefore you're right, charlie - the Internet, lap top, crackberry (?), efax ... et al - completes the picture.

So ... indeed... this fax may be balarney: Jason was v comfortable to call Meredith - so he at least knew she was flexi enough to pop over. He HAD to have known his wife's sched the next day (day off??? Dr's appoint???).

Watching the Sheriff Interview video, I saw an LE officer pack the back/trunk of his vehicle and climb into the driver's seat with what looked like a lap top that he'd taken out of the rear and carried with him to front-seat (perhaps to ensure it was more secure up front).

BTW: Would Raleigh (surrounds) be considered "Deep South" ? Just asking... Ta in advance :)
PSA,

Good morning. As to what looked like a lap top - if it was a lap top, more than likely it would have been one belonging to the officer. I say that because evidence is "supposed" to be bagged at the scene to preserve the found condition and any trace evidence that may be present. So I am thinking - that wasn't a lap top belonging to anyone other than LE.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

By the way ... shoot me if you have to, but my antenna are out with all posts by Jasonites/supporters (etc) that have offered rather 'limp, semi-rational but inconclusive' excuse for Jason's actions. I-M-O !!

He's hiding (well, he IS grieveing)
He didn't talk to LE voluntarily: (he didn't have to - he gave what was required)
His business trip far too coinci-hinky-dinky: (nothing wrong with that)
I bet it was him: (No, it must have been someone else; or a stranger)
He lawyered up with high prof crim def atty (well, within his rights)
No one else lawyered up (well JY husband, this is automatic)
He's staying silent: (yeah, you know what the media are like...)
The fax is mysterious : (not really, he was just one of those guys that thought ahead)
He may have killed her: (what would that acheive (cough cough)... why?)
What if there's another woman: (no way, they were in love)

and ... it goes ONNNN, lol

JMHO, of course, guys :)

[oceanblueeyes]

Here's a dummy question for you all - brief lead in to the question first.

Meredith has a Myspace so it is likely reasonable to assume she therefore has computer access. Since computers are also pretty common household items now days, it is also reasonable to assume she had computer access from her home. We can also assume she wasn't at work (if she works) on Friday the 3rd as JY called her to go pick up a fax.

Question - if this fax was actually about a gift for MY, why didn't JY just email it or have it emailed to Meredith ? Seems to me that would be easy to do, unless it was indeed a hard copy fax - which seems so antiquated for an on-line retailer IMO. I might add - color fax machines are not really common - color would be important if one is looking at a gift - no?

Which brings up another question, if he called Meredith to go get this fax - he was obviously aware enough of her schedule to believe she could go get it. Would he know more about her schedule than his wife's schedule ? I bring this up because the local reporter on this story (Lamb - can't remember her first name) has indicated that MY had a flex schedule and normally did not work on Fridays. It has also been speculated by the friends that MY had a Dr appointment on Friday.

JMO - the fax smells like a sturgeon...:p

Good Morning Charlie and Everyone.

I have a tight knot in my stomach today...something is going to happen soon and in my gut I feel so many lives are going to be further shattered.

I think the fax was a ruse, Charlie. I don't think he planned the fax into his design of this murder but was an after thought to CHA and so Merideth could get Cassidy out of there. To do this to his sister in law is beyond my comprehension. Watch and see, they probably had a good relationship through the years yet this is what he did to not only Michelle and the baby but Merideth in the end.

When did he actually leave? I know the friends were there weren't they? Imo, he left then waited somewhere for the house to become silent and dark. If so he premeditated all of this in this manner and it still chills me that he did it in such a brutal sadistic way. Where or where did that kind of rage and hatred come from? I wonder if there were any red flags at all along the way.

Usually when murderers like this murder their motives are similar. Debt, money, control, not wanting baby, hidden affair, jealousy.... to name a few. Which senseless motive will fit this killer this time?

If Jason Young is guilty of this and I am inclined to think he is then this should be a death penalty case imo.

IMO

Ocean

[PolkSaladAnnie]

PSA,

Good morning. As to what looked like a lap top - if it was a lap top, more than likely it would have been one belonging to the officer. I say that because evidence is "supposed" to be bagged at the scene to preserve the found condition and any trace evidence that may be present. So I am thinking - that wasn't a lap top belonging to anyone other than LE.

Oh, ok ...thanks; didn't think of that. Roger! (& copied...)

[terminatrixator]

Hey terminatrixator (lol - amazing nic!) ... seems you join many others in your immediate comnclusions. The pillow: logical thoughts there - maybe Michelle ended up the floor gripping a pillow - or a pillow landed on top of/alongside her - that's why Meredith had to move it???

Silence is Golden ... and you're right: when this egg is cracked it's going to be a whopper. I believe LE are ensuring they canvass every possible avenue, access, building, dweller, associate of michelle's from her home, family, neighbors, local residents, local store, local video (she'd just hired/bought one for Cassidy) ... through colleagues.

There's an undertone of faith exiting the golden silence: I think this Sheriff is paying attention to FACTS - not hype. JMOThank you. LE has to look at every single thing so there can be no outcry of Rush to Judgement, etc. like we have seen in the past.

I'm interested in this case as it is also in NC, where Janet Christiansen Abaroa was brutally murdered. I also see so many similarities between Laci's murder and Janet's murder and am trying to get caught and stay caught up here.

I hope eventually this will be put in it's own forum so we can get facts - media - speculation and individual discussions segregated in the future for those of us that are arriving late in the discussions.

[close_enough]

Since we just switched over to #3, and I really don't know how to make this thing do something it apparently doesn't want to, please bear with me. Sorry.



Brought over from the previous thread:

Close Enough said @ 10:23 on 11-19:
i think Cassidy said a lot...i've thought that from the very minute i heard the 911 call....


Close Enough, what scares me the most, is that Jason and his family have had access to Cassidy for days now. Plenty of time to reprogram a 2+ yr. old to answer the question,

What happened to your mommy?


Bad man killed my mommy.

Get my drift?

yes, i get your drift, but i don't think LE would ask that child any questions...they have the tape & since i believe Cassidy said a LOT in that tape, i think they learned whatever they learned, IF anything, from it already.....but i agree w/you..i think the 911 call got the ball rollin on where to start....JMO

BUT i do agree with you...i picture her being 'reprogrammed'.....

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Good Morning Charlie and Everyone.

I have a tight knot in my stomach today...something is going to happen soon and in my gut I feel so many lives are going to be further shattered.

I think the fax as a ruse, Charlie. I don't think he planned the fax into his design of this murder but was an after thought to CHA and so Merideth could get Cassidy out of there. To do this to his sister in law is beyond my comprehension. Watch and see, they probably had a good relationship through the years yet this is what he did to not only to Michelle but Merideth in the end.

When did he actually leave? I know the friends were there weren't they? Imo, he left then waited somewhere for the house to become silent and dark. If so he premeditated all of this in this manner and it still chills me that he did it in such a brutal sadistic way. Where or where did that kind of rage and hatred come from? I wonder if there were any red flags at all along the way.

Usually when murderers like this murder their motives are similar. Debt, money, control, not wanting baby, hidden affair, jealousy.... to name a few. Which senseless motive will fit this killer this time?

If Jason Young is guilty of this and I am inclined to think he is then this should be a death penalty case imo.

IMO

Ocean

Hi Ocean - listening and RE listening to the Greta interviews - friends left (those officially last saw MY) was 10:30 pm.

We have *not* been told when JY left, other than he was seen leaving with his luggage.

All along, we've been stating the points in your above post: and I repeat I will not be shocked if another woman comes over the horizon...

Outside of DP, justice for Michelle and her baby boy - along with closure and information to MY's mom, dad, sisters and daughter!!!

[terminatrixator]

Close enough - thank you again for reposting that for me.

Meredith...."hang on, i'm trying to see if i can get her pulse"....

I see it now, and believe you are right, when I heard it I thought she said I'm trying to "pull her clothes" - see if I can get her pulse makes more sense to me. Thank you.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Thank you. LE has to look at every single thing so there can be no outcry of Rush to Judgement, etc. like we have seen in the past.

I'm interested in this case as it is also in NC, where Janet Christiansen Abaroa was brutally murdered. I also see so many similarities between Laci's murder and Janet's murder and am trying to get caught and stay caught up here.

I hope eventually this will be put in it's own forum so we can get facts - media - speculation and individual discussions segregated in the future for those of us that are arriving late in the discussions.


Hi T/xator ... I think you hit the nail on the head with your "LE do not want to be seen as rush to judgement". I believe they've covered every possible route - leaving the LEAST OBVIOUS ... for last - to ensure prime attention and focus has been invested in what the evidence has provided or indicated as "CHIEF SUSPECT".

We'll find out... we don't know yet (person/group people)

Greatb thoughts, BTW ... :)

[oceanblueeyes]

yes, i get your drift, but i don't think LE would ask that child any questions...they have the tape & since i believe Cassidy said a LOT in that tape, i think they learned whatever they learned, IF anything, from it already.....but i agree w/you..i think the 911 call got the ball rollin on where to start....JMO

BUT i do agree with you...i picture her being 'reprogrammed'.....

Good Morning close!

I am not so sure they didn't talk to Cassidy. Remember Jason had to come all the way back to pick her up so there was ample time.

Why I say this is when Christa Worthington was murdered her 2 year old daughter, Ava, was also found at the scene alive traipsing around in blood. The female police officer did ask Cassidy what happened and she said "Mommy fell down and I tried to wash Mommy" (paraphrasing) Even though she did not see who had killed her mother she did verbalize what she did. So imo if Cassidy saw daddy there when Mommy got hurt.......LE has those statements.

IMO

Ocean

[close_enough]

Here's a dummy question for you all - brief lead in to the question first.

Meredith has a Myspace so it is likely reasonable to assume she therefore has computer access. Since computers are also pretty common household items now days, it is also reasonable to assume she had computer access from her home. We can also assume she wasn't at work (if she works) on Friday the 3rd as JY called her to go pick up a fax.

Question - if this fax was actually about a gift for MY, why didn't JY just email it or have it emailed to Meredith ? Seems to me that would be easy to do, unless it was indeed a hard copy fax - which seems so antiquated for an on-line retailer IMO. I might add - color fax machines are not really common - color would be important if one is looking at a gift - no?

Which brings up another question, if he called Meredith to go get this fax - he was obviously aware enough of her schedule to believe she could go get it. Would he know more about her schedule than his wife's schedule ? I bring this up because the local reporter on this story (Lamb - can't remember her first name) has indicated that MY had a flex schedule and normally did not work on Fridays. It has also been speculated by the friends that MY had a Dr appointment on Friday.

JMO - the fax smells like a sturgeon...:p

hmmm, all good thoughts/questions/points......

i've felt that the fax was legit...as part of the planning, so he wouldn't be the one to find Michelle's body, BUT......you could be right, & the fax IS a sturgeon.....i don't know about him knowing Meredith's schedule, but i think it's safe to say he knew Michelle's....IF the fax is a sturgeon, then maybe he just lucked up & Meredith was available to go retrieve a 'fax'......hmmm

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Thank you. LE has to look at every single thing so there can be no outcry of Rush to Judgement, etc. like we have seen in the past.

I'm interested in this case as it is also in NC, where Janet Christiansen Abaroa was brutally murdered. I also see so many similarities between Laci's murder and Janet's murder and am trying to get caught and stay caught up here.

I hope eventually this will be put in it's own forum so we can get facts - media - speculation and individual discussions segregated in the future for those of us that are arriving late in the discussions.

term: with the startling stats illuminating current/ex lover (partner or spouse) as the chief perp in pregnancy homicides - and with this diabolical trend increasing - I might write Tricia and see if W/S is able to open a category dedicated to this subject. That way - even though some may not make regional/national or global headlines - they're equally discussed and considered....

Comparisons may be made: stats verified - profiles drawn. Of all homicides, the ones that make me so sick are babies, children and pregnant women. If defies human nature - it's heinous and yes: I am biased. I've seen this thing once too often - and it's about time the yeller-bellied coward-killers get discriminated against! And ... badly....

JMHO - onward we go!

[close_enough]

Close enough - thank you again for reposting that for me.

Meredith...."hang on, i'm trying to see if i can get her pulse"....

I see it now, and believe you are right, when I heard it I thought she said I'm trying to "pull her clothes" - see if I can get her pulse makes more sense to me. Thank you.

you're welcome...course this is how i heard the tape, but lord knows i listened to it enough..whew!...almost embarrassed to say how many times, eeeeek!

anyway, i'm positive on this part for sure....

[raisincharlie]

Good Morning Charlie and Everyone.

I have a tight knot in my stomach today...something is going to happen soon and in my gut I feel so many lives are going to be further shattered.

I think the fax was a ruse, Charlie. I don't think he planned the fax into his design of this murder but was an after thought to CHA and so Merideth could get Cassidy out of there. To do this to his sister in law is beyond my comprehension. Watch and see, they probably had a good relationship through the years yet this is what he did to not only Michelle and the baby but Merideth in the end.

When did he actually leave? I know the friends were there weren't they? Imo, he left then waited somewhere for the house to become silent and dark. If so he premeditated all of this in this manner and it still chills me that he did it in such a brutal sadistic way. Where or where did that kind of rage and hatred come from? I wonder if there were any red flags at all along the way.

Usually when murderers like this murder their motives are similar. Debt, money, control, not wanting baby, hidden affair, jealousy.... to name a few. Which senseless motive will fit this killer this time?

If Jason Young is guilty of this and I am inclined to think he is then this should be a death penalty case imo.

IMO

Ocean
Ocean,

In fairness, I don't recall seeing any thing in print articles that gives any real time for when JY left the house on the evening before MY was found. I have seen in print that there were friends at the house and that they left at 10:30 pm. Anything else about that evening is, I believe, speculation or contributions made by friends spreading word over the internet. So I can't help you there but I'm sure if anyone has seen a link to an article or video with this information they will share it.

I'm thinking the fax is also a ruse - but as you know well - I have been wrong before, pretty sure I will be wrong in the future as well. Personally, I believe every human is capable of rage, if and when all the keys, factors, and time lines up. How well they cage it, control it, and disapate it varies, some can, some cannot. JMO.

[close_enough]

Good Morning close!

I am not so sure they didn't talk to Cassidy. Remember Jason had to come all the way back to pick her up so there was ample time.

Why I say this is when Christa Worthington was murdered her 2 year old daughter, Ava, was also found at the scene alive traipsing around in blood. The female police officer did ask Cassidy what happened and she said "Mommy fell down and I tried to wash Mommy" (paraphrasing) Even though she did not see who had killed her mother she did verbalize what she did. So imo if Cassidy saw daddy there when Mommy got hurt.......LE has those statements.

IMO

Ocean

you're right Ocean....they did have time...if they talked to Cassidy in person, then i don't believe they would have to talk to her a 2nd time...it wouldn't matter now, what she's been told elsewhere (in Brevard)

[PolkSaladAnnie]

hey close! :crazy: W/c and ..... good morning :)

I feel MY was found on the floor: I know many feel on the bed - but I just feel she was on the floor, face-down.... Cassie was trotting up and down to her mommy and left the trail of foorprints - which is another reason I feel this as bedclothes, matress etc may have absorbed much of the blood. From Meredith's description, these were little footsies that had 'stepped in blood' not stained by blood.

What d'ya think??

[Bee Charmer]

Good Morning Charlie and Everyone.

I have a tight knot in my stomach today...something is going to happen soon and in my gut I feel so many lives are going to be further shattered.

I think the fax was a ruse, Charlie. I don't think he planned the fax into his design of this murder but was an after thought to CHA and so Merideth could get Cassidy out of there. To do this to his sister in law is beyond my comprehension. Watch and see, they probably had a good relationship through the years yet this is what he did to not only Michelle and the baby but Merideth in the end.

When did he actually leave? I know the friends were there weren't they? Imo, he left then waited somewhere for the house to become silent and dark. If so he premeditated all of this in this manner and it still chills me that he did it in such a brutal sadistic way. Where or where did that kind of rage and hatred come from? I wonder if there were any red flags at all along the way.

Usually when murderers like this murder their motives are similar. Debt, money, control, not wanting baby, hidden affair, jealousy.... to name a few. Which senseless motive will fit this killer this time?

If Jason Young is guilty of this and I am inclined to think he is then this should be a death penalty case imo.

IMO

OceanOkay, who are you and what have you done with Blue Eyes...... :p Well now, this is a sea change for you. I am glad you have crossed over to the dark side with me and others. What is the biggest thing that's giving you that sick feeling in your stomach?

[close_enough]

term: with the startling stats illuminating current/ex lover (partner or spouse) as the chief perp in pregnancy homicides - and with this diabolical trend increasing - I might write Tricia and see if W/S is able to open a category dedicated to this subject. That way - even though some may not make regional/national or global headlines - they're equally discussed and considered....

Comparisons may be made: stats verified - profiles drawn. Of all homicides, the ones that make me so sick are babies, children and pregnant women. If defies human nature - it's heinous and yes: I am biased. I've seen this thing once too often - and it's about time the yeller-bellied coward-killers get discriminated against! And ... badly....

JMHO - onward we go!

morning polk:)

it would be nice for Michelle to have her own forum....what constitutes a forum????....do you think 'they' think this crime will be solved soon??...just wondering how an actual forum gets started.....i know a LOT has been hush hush in this case...could that by why??

[oceanblueeyes]

Ocean,

In fairness, I don't recall seeing any thing in print articles that gives any real time for when JY left the house on the evening before MY was found. I have seen in print that there were friends at the house and that they left at 10:30 pm. Anything else about that evening is, I believe, speculation or contributions made by friends spreading word over the internet. So I can't help you there but I'm sure if anyone has seen a link to an article or video with this information they will share it.

I'm thinking the fax is also a ruse - but as you know well - I have been wrong before, pretty sure I will be wrong in the future as well. Personally, I believe every human is capable of rage, if and when all the keys, factors, and time lines up. How well they cage it, control it, and dissipate it varies, some can, some cannot. JMO.

I can certainly understand your point of view Charlie. Yes, of course we are all capable of rage but imo not this type of rage. It is different and I think it is the makeup of the killer that makes it so different from the norm. To have rage is one thing to be capable of murder is an entirely different mindset imo.

That is why murders, even though to us seem to happen every time we turn around, are still an oddity in this country. Out of 300 million people only around 4500-5000 murder people per year. Imo it shows that these individuals are not like us, they are very different.

To think about something is one thing but to be able to act on those thoughts in such a despicable manner sets them apart and in their own minority group.

JMO of course.

Ocean

[PolkSaladAnnie]

morning polk:)

it would be nice for Michelle to have her own forum....what constitutes a forum????....do you think 'they' think this crime will be solved soon??...just wondering how an actual forum gets started.....i know a LOT has been hush hush in this case...could that by why??

Hi hon - a forum for Michelle? That's respectfully and rightfully - totally up to the mods - but imagine if every hot topic became a forum: many don't 'take off' until there's substance. I was just mulling over *more* than a forum - but rather a catergory of several forums: a forum for major cases and a general reference for those cases that don't 'make it big' and as I write that, I feel so guilty - nevertheless, these crimes/cases are just appalling and the stats are severe enough to commence (imo, lol) a campaign to get a message out there.

[MrsMush99]

morning polk:)

it would be nice for Michelle to have her own forum....what constitutes a forum????....do you think 'they' think this crime will be solved soon??...just wondering how an actual forum gets started.....i know a LOT has been hush hush in this case...could that by why??
Close, I think they mods like to wait and see what is going to happen in a case. Some forums are opened and die out when there is no information. I have a feeling this won't happen with this one though. But we'll see. Like I said in a previous post, there hasn't been any news articles since the 17th.

[close_enough]

hey close! :crazy: W/c and ..... good morning :)

I feel MY was found on the floor: I know many feel on the bed - but I just feel she was on the floor, face-down.... Cassie was trotting up and down to her mommy and left the trail of foorprints - which is another reason I feel this as bedclothes, matress etc may have absorbed much of the blood. From Meredith's description, these were little footsies that had 'stepped in blood' not stained by blood.

What d'ya think??

wellllllll, i was all for the 'being found on the floor' UNTIL i read otto's post of a report that she was found on the bed....THEN i got to thinking about what Meredith said about "moving a pillow" in the 911 call....Meredith moved a pillow, & i have to assume that she moved it to get a closer look at Michelle (to get it out of the way)........i think the blood that was "everywhere" could have been just that....on the bed, but also on the wall above & around the bed, & on the floor...spatters & such....

bless Cassidy's little heart:(.....if there was as much blood as we're led to believe, then her simply crawling up beside her mommy in the bed would have surely transferred a lot of blood on that baby....

[raisincharlie]

I can certainly understand your point of view Charlie. Yes, of course we are all capable of rage but imo not this type of rage. It is different and I think it is the makeup of the killer that makes it so different from the norm. To have rage is one thing to be capable of murder is an entirely different mindset imo.

That is why murders, even though to us seem to happen every time we turn around, are still an oddity in this country. Out of 300 million people only around 4500-5000 murder people per year. Imo it shows that these individuals are not like us, they are very different.

To think about something is one thing but to be able to act on those thoughts in such a despicable manner sets them apart and in their own minority group.

JMO of course.

Ocean
I think you probably remember in our many discussions that I always thought there was something good in everyone, even killers. (Lord knows englishleigh severly beat me for that thought - if you are reading english - you're AOK in my book).

I will tell you, I have lost that innocence - Dyleski did that thought in. There is evil, and some are indeed monsters, and it is hidden sometimes even to themselves. But if it is there, it will eventually come out. Sadly. I agree this kind of rage that allows one to plan and to act is common only to those suspect to it in their nature - I am at least glad that that is limited to only a few.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Polk, I think they mods like to wait and see what is going to happen in a case. Some forums are opened and die out when there is no information. I have a feeling this won't happen with this one though. But we'll see. Like I said in a previous post, there hasn't been any news articles since the 17th.

Hey... hello and you're back! Cool :)

You're so right - but H*E*C*K ... the homicides/murders of pregnant women is just growing at an alarming rate. I cannot tell you how disturbed I was reading a few sites: I got into stories and stats. These women were all trusting; they were bringing life into this world (a God-given miracle) ... they're vulnerable (but not weak) and usually young. 80% of time it's their last known spouse. This is heinous! That fat coward of a spouse gets treated like he's special, afforded all the rights, given options and opportunities to 'plead' - and to trust in the justice system. But WHAT ABOUT THE PLEADING OF THE WOMAN AND HER BABY? What about her trust in the bio father?

Agreed, there are some lunatic jealous women out there that attack pregnant moms, too - they're equal to the above!

Oh boy, could I ever campaign about this subject. I'd leave all other murders. DP, LWOP, whatever - decisions to those in govt - but I'd crack a whole new let of circumstances for murdered pregnant women.

Ugh!

<<<steps down off soap box, watches suds evaporate>>> LOL :)

[oceanblueeyes]

Okay, who are you and what have you done with Blue Eyes...... :p Well now, this is a sea change for you. I am glad you have crossed over to the dark side with me and others. What is the biggest thing that's giving you that sick feeling in your stomach?

Well I tried to remain neutral Bee. I really wanted to believe this would end with Cassidy left with a very loving, gentle and caring father. I am not nearly as willing anymore to assume and have become more cautious especially when no evidence has come out yet but there are many things I dont buy and anyone here knows one of my beliefs is "I dont believe in coincidences." I thought about my own words last night and came to the realization I dont buy them in this case either.

I think of all the victims, not just Michelle and the baby but the lives that are going to be forever changed by this betrayal. Michelle's family, Cassidy and even Jason's mom,dad, family, who are probably good decent people. There must be no greater pain felt than to lose loved ones this way and know that it happened by someone they have trusted and loved

IMO

Ocean

[close_enough]

Hi hon - a forum for Michelle? That's respectfully and rightfully - totally up to the mods - but imagine if every hot topic became a forum: many don't 'take off' until there's substance. I was just mulling over *more* than a forum - but rather a catergory of several forums: a forum for major cases and a general reference for those cases that don't 'make it big' and as I write that, I feel so guilty - nevertheless, these crimes/cases are just appalling and the stats are severe enough to commence (imo, lol) a campaign to get a message out there.

aahhh, ok...that makes sense....

yes *more* than a forum...i see what you're talking about also....

[Masissy]

So much to catch up on. Why is their no new news. Updates, how is MY family doing, etc. Way too quiet.

[oceanblueeyes]

you're right Ocean....they did have time...if they talked to Cassidy in person, then i don't believe they would have to talk to her a 2nd time...it wouldn't matter now, what she's been told elsewhere (in Brevard)

Right. They have her statement (if any) before it was tainted by anyone.

IMO

Ocean

[PolkSaladAnnie]

So much to catch up on. Why is their no new news. Updates, how is MY family doing, etc. Way too quiet.

Hey Masissy .... w/c back from the weekend.... hope it was good: er, any gut 'feel' while you were away (lol, reminiscing the duke one, heh .... :D). Eyep, there are so many posts - great comments ... and I am still d-sure JY has a huge problem (as I did from the breaking news of this heinous crime. I may be wrong .... but ....)

:)

[close_enough]

Hi Ocean - listening and RE listening to the Greta interviews - friends left (those officially last saw MY) was 10:30 pm.

We have *not* been told when JY left, other than he was seen leaving with his luggage.
All along, we've been stating the points in your above post: and I repeat I will not be shocked if another woman comes over the horizon...

Outside of DP, justice for Michelle and her baby boy - along with closure and information to MY's mom, dad, sisters and daughter!!!

exactly....10:30 PM....IMO ONLY, i think that's when the friends/friend left the house after watching Grey's Anatomy.....i can't shake the thoughts of him leaving prior to 10:30 pm.....

& about another woman....you KNOW that if there's one out there, she's heard of this case, if she lives anywhere in the area.....i would think if 'she's out there, LE already knows....

[close_enough]

Well I tried to remain neutral Bee. I really wanted to believe this would end with Cassidy left with a very loving, gentle and caring father. I am not nearly as willing anymore to assume and have become more cautious especially when no evidence has come out yet but there are many things I dont buy and anyone here knows one of my beliefs is "I dont believe in coincidences." I thought about my own words last night and came to the realization I dont buy them in this case either.

I think of all the victims, not just Michelle and the baby but the lives that are going to be forever changed by this betrayal. Michelle's family, Cassidy and even Jason's mom,dad, family, who are probably good decent people. There must be no greater pain felt than to lose loved ones this way and know that it happened by someone they have trusted and loved

IMO

Ocean

i have to be honest...as much as i believe JY did this, there ARE times, although they're very brief, when i think just MAYBE he didn't......

[Masissy]

Hey Masissy .... w/c back from the weekend.... hope it was good: er, any gut 'feel' while you were away (lol, reminiscing the duke one, heh .... :D). Eyep, there are so many posts - great comments ... and I am still d-sure JY has a huge problem (as I did from the breaking news of this heinous crime. I may be wrong .... but ....)

:)
DUKE, oh my. I was telling my daughter about that one and she called me a blond. :crazy:

I kept thinking if a stranger entered the home the dog would have awaken her. So that tells me the dog "knew" the killer and therefore never barked.

I have looked and looked at his picture and I don't like him, but I can't put my finger on it.

[MrsMush99]

So much to catch up on. Why is their no new news. Updates, how is MY family doing, etc. Way too quiet.
I too was wondering why we haven't heard from the family. Maybe it's because she's not missing. Maybe they know that LE knows who did this and they are just waiting for an arrest. Heck, I have no idea. But this lack of information is driving me crazy. I also think the lack of information that media is getting is going to cause them to stop covering it.

[oceanblueeyes]

Hey Masissy .... w/c back from the weekend.... hope it was good: er, any gut 'feel' while you were away (lol, reminiscing the duke one, heh .... :D). Eyep, there are so many posts - great comments ... and I am still d-sure JY has a huge problem (as I did from the breaking news of this heinous crime. I may be wrong .... but ....)

:)

Gosh we are in day 17 of this case. Surely the police has something back by now wouldn't you think? Fingerprints are the fastest to come back so if the perp left bloody fingerprint or palm print anywhere they have to have those results back by now and all of it can be sped way up as they have Jason's comparison on file.

If they have one dab of forensics tying him to this crime they would have ample reason for probable cause for an arrest. All investigators continue on with evidence discovery after the perp is taken off the street and all the way up to trial.

They have to have something back by now. I just dont understand why nothing is happening.

IMO

Ocean

[MrsMush99]

DUKE, oh my. I was telling my daughter about that one and she called me a blond. :crazy:

I kept thinking if a stranger entered the home the dog would have awaken her. So that tells me the dog "knew" the killer and therefore never barked.

I have looked and looked at his picture and I don't like him, but I can't put my finger on it.
We don't know the dog never barked. Maybe the dog was in the room with her and did bark, causing her to wake up but never make it out of the room to see what was going on. Maybe the killer was right in the hall when the dog started to bark. We just have no clue.

[Masissy]

We don't know the dog never barked. Maybe the dog was in the room with her and did bark, causing her to wake up but never make it out of the room to see what was going on. Maybe the killer was right in the hall when the dog started to bark. We just have no clue.
This is so true. I too feel that the LE has a general suspect because why else would they tell the neighbors they had nothing to be afraid of.

[oceanblueeyes]

i have to be honest...as much as i believe JY did this, there ARE times, although they're very brief, when i think just MAYBE he didn't......

Yes, I have those fleeting moments too but then I think am I just wishfully thinking?

I am going to feel lower than a snake's belly if he did not do this. I promised myself I wouldnt jump before I knew the facts but have broken my own promise. I sure dont want him to be guilty.

I would much rather be all wrong and try to live with that rather than being right which means Cassidy loses even more. It is sad either way.

IMO

Ocean

[close_enough]

Good Morning Charlie and Everyone.

I have a tight knot in my stomach today...something is going to happen soon and in my gut I feel so many lives are going to be further shattered.

I think the fax was a ruse, Charlie. I don't think he planned the fax into his design of this murder but was an after thought to CHA and so Merideth could get Cassidy out of there. To do this to his sister in law is beyond my comprehension. Watch and see, they probably had a good relationship through the years yet this is what he did to not only Michelle and the baby but Merideth in the end.

When did he actually leave? I know the friends were there weren't they? Imo, he left then waited somewhere for the house to become silent and dark. If so he premeditated all of this in this manner and it still chills me that he did it in such a brutal sadistic way. Where or where did that kind of rage and hatred come from? I wonder if there were any red flags at all along the way.

Usually when murderers like this murder their motives are similar. Debt, money, control, not wanting baby, hidden affair, jealousy.... to name a few. Which senseless motive will fit this killer this time?
If Jason Young is guilty of this and I am inclined to think he is then this should be a death penalty case imo.

IMO

Ocean

i think there probably were red-flags, but the ones that no 'outsider' sees....IF JY did this, i'm going to say it's the same ole story....he felt trapped/strangled/smothered...a new job, debt, another baby, (more debt)....he couldn't spend the money like he would have liked to spend it...(maybe there's truth to the rumor about gambling)....maybe he was a big flirt while on the road, & DID meet up w/someone that gave him a 'thrill'...excitement of being single again....not wanting the ole 'ball & chain' anymore...he grew to hate Michelle....they could have had some horrible arguements that no one ever knew about, not even close girlfriends...some woman are like that & won't tell a soul ......(course we don't know if MY ever told anyone about marriage problems)

[oceanblueeyes]

i think there probably were red-flags, but the ones that no 'outsider' sees....IF JY did this, i'm going to say it's the same ole story....he felt trapped/strangled/smothered...a new job, debt, another baby, (more debt)....he couldn't spend the money like he would have liked to spend it...(maybe there's truth to the rumor about gambling)....maybe he was a big flirt while on the road, & DID meet up w/someone that gave him a 'thrill'...excitement of being single again....not wanting the ole 'ball & chain' anymore...he grew to hate Michelle....they could have had some horrible arguements that no one ever knew about, not even close girlfriends...some woman are like that & won't tell a soul ......(course we don't know if MY ever told anyone about marriage problems)

Sounds very logical to me, close.

Usually there are similarities in these spousal murder cases. If this is a spousal case then I am sure it will be probably as you have suggested. Unless we are in for some real shocking information that will surprise even us.

IMO

Ocean

[close_enough]

DUKE, oh my. I was telling my daughter about that one and she called me a blond. :crazy:

I kept thinking if a stranger entered the home the dog would have awaken her. So that tells me the dog "knew" the killer and therefore never barked.

I have looked and looked at his picture and I don't like him, but I can't put my finger on it.

i agree...when i look at his picture i get that face that Lucy (I Love Lucy show) used when she'd say "eeewwww"....

[oceanblueeyes]

I too was wondering why we haven't heard from the family. Maybe it's because she's not missing. Maybe they know that LE knows who did this and they are just waiting for an arrest. Heck, I have no idea. But this lack of information is driving me crazy. I also think the lack of information that media is getting is going to cause them to stop covering it.

It is very likely at this time that Michelle's family may think that Jason is innocent of this crime and dont want to be bombarded with questions about it by the media. Last I read they thought he could never have done this.

IMO

Ocean

[oceanblueeyes]

i agree...when i look at his picture i get that face that Lucy (I Love Lucy show) used when she'd say "eeewwww"....


He looks like a big wimp to me.

Wolf in sheep's clothing I guess if it turns out he did this.

IMO

Ocean

[close_enough]

Gosh we are in day 17 of this case. Surely the police has something back by now wouldn't you think? Fingerprints are the fastest to come back so if the perp left bloody fingerprint or palm print anywhere they have to have those results back by now and all of it can be sped way up as they have Jason's comparison on file.

If they have one dab of forensics tying him to this crime they would have ample reason for probable cause for an arrest. All investigators continue on with evidence discovery after the perp is taken off the street and all the way up to trial.

They have to have something back by now. I just dont understand why nothing is happening.
IMO

Ocean

same here.....i'm thinking there won't be any bloody fingerprints, but i could be wrong....seems if there were & they were JY's, he'd be arrested already...then again, if it's a total random thing, they've run into a brick wall, with a stranger's prints.......course the order included DNA, photographs, etc, from what i understand, sooooo..........

unless the Sherriff is a very good actor, he sure led on like they know who did this, & they're making progress....just the way he answered the questions/or DIDN'T answer, & a lot of his facial expressions, led me to think they know who did this....they're not back in the media, begging for more info from the public either.....

[raisincharlie]

close_enough,


Do you have a link to the actual transcript for th 911 call ? I've listened to it but am afraid my ears are playing tricks on me, maybe it is just the brain. If it is just in a post - do you have a post number and since we have 3 parts now - a part number as well. TIA!

[close_enough]

close_enough,


Do you have a link to the actual transcript for th 911 call ? I've listened to it but am afraid my ears are playing tricks on me, maybe it is just the brain. If it is just in a post - do you have a post number and since we have 3 parts now - a part number as well. TIA!

oh my, no raisin...i haven't seen any official transcripts of the call...just the link to hear it......has LE put a transcript out of it??????

[oceanblueeyes]

same here.....i'm thinking there won't be any bloody fingerprints, but i could be wrong....seems if there were & they were JY's, he'd be arrested already...then again, if it's a total random thing, they've run into a brick wall, with a stranger's prints.......course the order included DNA, photographs, etc, from what i understand, sooooo..........

unless the Sheriff is a very good actor, he sure led on like they know who did this, & they're making progress....just the way he answered the questions/or DIDN'T answer, & a lot of his facial expressions, led me to think they know who did this....they're not back in the media, begging for more info from the public either.....

Right the noncontested order includes all forms of DNA. They will test prints, palms, hair (both pubic and head hair), saliva and even if she was found with semen they will even test this to confirm if it belonged to Jason. Of course his dna profile I am sure was obtained through cheek swabbing.

I also think like in Laci's case just to make sure they will prove that the baby was Jason's.

They also will test for fibers found at the scene and his clothing confiscated in the van.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Gosh we are in day 17 of this case. Surely the police has something back by now wouldn't you think? Fingerprints are the fastest to come back so if the perp left bloody fingerprint or palm print anywhere they have to have those results back by now and all of it can be sped way up as they have Jason's comparison on file.

If they have one dab of forensics tying him to this crime they would have ample reason for probable cause for an arrest. All investigators continue on with evidence discovery after the perp is taken off the street and all the way up to trial.

They have to have something back by now. I just dont understand why nothing is happening.

IMO

Ocean

Hi Ocean, gosh I *wish* however, I am quite sure they have A LOT back by now - if not more than sufficient. I highly doubt you, me and the rest of the forum worlds are their priority, lol :D. (darn...)

This was not a random crime: the tapes are down the home is open but mouths are shut...

What do I think?

They're intentionally out-foxing JY and his criminal-defense high-power attorney by staying absolutely MUM. Calling their bluff??? JY refuses to speak - which means they know nothing. There's a coldness in the silence. A telling coldness, imo.

Methinks more sets of knees are wobbling in Brevard than in Raleigh. But, I could be wrong. Now THAT"S possible, lol...

[close_enough]

Hi Ocean, gosh I *wish* however, I am quite sure they have A LOT back by now - if not more than sufficient. I highly doubt you, me and the rest of the forum worlds are their priority, lol :D. (darn...)

This was not a random crime: the tapes are down the home is open but mouths are shut...

What do I think?

They're intentionally out-foxing JY and his criminal-defense high-power attorney by staying absolutely MUM. Calling their bluff??? JY refuses to speak - which means they know nothing. There's a coldness in the silence. A telling coldness, imo.

Methinks more sets of knees are wobbling in Brevard than in Raleigh. But, I could be wrong. Now THAT"S possible, lol...

ok,,,,but what would be the point in that Polk?...i mean, why 'play games' with JY, IF they have sufficient evidence that he's the killer??....guess i'm kinda lost here........i understand that LE wants to dot every "I" & cross every "T"......this MIGHT end up being a circumstantial case, ya think???...maybe his timeline will screw him up, not the crime scene, maybe???
....however i do think some knees might be shaking in Brevard.....

if we don't hear of an arrest in the next few days, i'm going to start worrying that LE has run up against a brick wall......

[oceanblueeyes]

Hi Ocean, gosh I *wish* however, I am quite sure they have A LOT back by now - if not more than sufficient. I highly doubt you, me and the rest of the forum worlds are their priority, lol :D. (darn...)

This was not a random crime: the tapes are down the home is open but mouths are shut...

What do I think?

They're intentionally out-foxing JY and his criminal-defense high-power attorney by staying absolutely MUM. Calling their bluff??? JY refuses to speak - which means they know nothing. There's a coldness in the silence. A telling coldness, imo.

Methinks more sets of knees are wobbling in Brevard than in Raleigh. But, I could be wrong. Now THAT"S possible, lol...

Lol,

Well I am beginning to think they haven't found a smoking gun in that home such as a clear bloody fingerprint or palm print. Over the years I have realized that type of testing comes back very quickly. It doesn't really matter if this was a random act or not the fact is there is a terrible murderer out there that is getting freedom that he does not deserve. This police force and its professional techs arent Mayberry USA! lol I bet the CSI team has their very own lab.

So imo, something should be happening soon. Like real soon. If not it makes me wonder what's up? :D

IMO

Ocean

[packerdog]

same here.....i'm thinking there won't be any bloody fingerprints, but i could be wrong....seems if there were & they were JY's, he'd be arrested already...then again, if it's a total random thing, they've run into a brick wall, with a stranger's prints.......course the order included DNA, photographs, etc, from what i understand, sooooo..........

unless the Sherriff is a very good actor, he sure led on like they know who did this, & they're making progress....just the way he answered the questions/or DIDN'T answer, & a lot of his facial expressions, led me to think they know who did this....they're not back in the media, begging for more info from the public either.....

I was thinking about LE finding bloody fingerprints too. I saw Greta there the other night and she had on a heavy jacket and gloves. Is it cold at night there now? If Jason or a stranger killed her they wouldn't look out of place if they wore gloves. I wonder if Jason was wearing gloves when the left that night.

[MrsMush99]

ok,,,,but what would be the point in that Polk?...i mean, why 'play games' with JY, IF they have sufficient evidence that he's the killer??....guess i'm kinda lost here........i understand that LE wants to dot every "I" & cross every "T"......this MIGHT end up being a circumstantial case, ya think???...maybe his timeline will screw him up, not the crime scene, maybe???
....however i do think some knees might be shaking in Brevard.....

if we don't hear of an arrest in the next few days, i'm going to start worrying that LE has run up against a brick wall......
No need to worry yet. It took them 4 months to arrest Scott. But I guess that's because they had no body. I really wish we had a more clear timeline for Jason.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

ok,,,,but what would be the point in that Polk?...i mean, why 'play games' with JY, IF they have sufficient evidence that he's the killer??....guess i'm kinda lost here........i understand that LE wants to dot every "I" & cross every "T"......this MIGHT end up being a circumstantial case, ya think???...maybe his timeline will screw him up, not the crime scene, maybe???
....however i do think some knees might be shaking in Brevard.....

if we don't hear of an arrest in the next few days, i'm going to start worrying that LE has run up against a brick wall......

Well, that's a good point, close - but let's face it - that's my interpretation. Call it 'sitting tight'. (It's us who are impatient, lol...)

Right now, if we use the term 'playing games' then let's say JY has not exactly 'played ball'. I think LE (that's me - silly as it is) are not going to release anything - and are taking their time until it's all in. The longer JY takes to come in and 'talk... just chat...' the worse it may look for him (guilty or innocent).

I certainly dont think LE are that callous as to sit back and wait ... weeks. But whatever LE has, they're not letting it go.

And JY is beginning to look like more and more selfish, IMO.

[oceanblueeyes]

ok,,,,but what would be the point in that Polk?...i mean, why 'play games' with JY, IF they have sufficient evidence that he's the killer??....guess i'm kinda lost here........i understand that LE wants to dot every "I" & cross every "T"......this MIGHT end up being a circumstantial case, ya think???...maybe his timeline will screw him up, not the crime scene, maybe???
....however i do think some knees might be shaking in Brevard.....

if we don't hear of an arrest in the next few days, i'm going to start worrying that LE has run up against a brick wall......


Right. Why in the heck would they let him be around his little girl knowing he is the ONE that killed her Mommy and little brother?

I have never understood why they think that people known to the victim should be allowed to roam around more than a stranger that kills. A killer is a killer and needs to be off the streets...period.

IMO

Ocean

[close_enough]

No need to worry yet. It took them 4 months to arrest Scott. But I guess that's because they had no body. I really wish we had a more clear timeline for Jason.

exactly.