Michelle Young~Pregnant Mother NC Part 4

[fran]

If someone else had already started to do this, I'll delete this thread.


Part 3
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1241985#post1241985

Part 2
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44676

Part 1
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44442

[fran]

Today, 10:02 AM
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right RC...you're exactly right about Laci & Connor's murders, but in this case, like Cypros said....there would be nothing unusual about dogs picking up JY's scent at the house, if he left the house in the SUV that evening...it would track him leaving the house & getting in his vehicle.....a normal everyday thing he does anyway....

boy i remember when i heard about the dogs stopping at the end of that pier, during the SP case...it gave me chills at the time...the dogs DID know quite well, where Laci was

That's my point Close - the dogs would tell LE quickly if the perp was at the house or if he came from somewhere else. The dogs would define what did not occur as well as what did. For example - no trail to the back and into the woods - the perp came from somewhere else and therefore define the where. It would not be limited to just JY however.
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#1027 Today, 10:02 AM
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And maybe that's one of the reasons LE is seeking info from anyone who saw something or nothing in the early hours. Imo, they want to know where he parked that vehicle other than the garage. Perhaps the SUV doesn't fit into the garage. A lot of garages in older homes didn't allow the clearance for the heighth of these newer vehicles.


Hi jilly

Precisely. There may be tire tracks - the interviews at the trailer park may have been to investigate vehicle sightings... there may even be footprints (sorry, I mentioned this before, don't mean to be repetitive...).

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#1028 Today, 10:04 AM
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That's my point Close - the dogs would tell LE quickly if the perp was at the house or if he came from somewhere else. The dogs would define what did not occur as well as what did. For example - no trail to the back and into the woods - the perp came from somewhere else and therefore define the where. It would not be limited to just JY however.


gotcha RC
..was just a bit confused....
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#1029 Today, 10:06 AM
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Hi jilly

Precisely. There may be tire tracks - the interviews at the trailer park may have been to investigate vehicle sightings... there may even be footprints (sorry, I mentioned this before, don't mean to be repetitive...).


lol, heck i think a lot of us have been repetitive, with what little we've learned, but sometimes it's a good thing being repetitive....it brings back to light some things that folks may have forgotten....lord knows it's hard to go back through these threads & try to find anything now...ugh....
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#1030 Today, 10:07 AM
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Weighing the odds - he could have parked on the access road to the recreational complex in the sub-division - pretty remote road south of his home, not far, and most likely not in use during the wee hours. This also ties in with the little rumor that a delivery person might have seen something, you recall that rumor ? Clean laundry, towels for the gym and so on could have been delivered to the rec center in the wee hours of the morning.

Lots of possibilities...


If a car was seen a delivery person would definitely have remembered it especially as the streets would have been usually dark, quiet and desolte, eh charlie? Perhaps the vehicle may have looked suspicious wherever it was, drawing attention... opposite of the objective.

There may have been cameras at the hotel ...

Just a few thoughts ...

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Maybe we should start part 4? It must be rough for the dial-up folks to load this thread!

Maybe it will get it's own forum soon...

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lol, heck i think a lot of us have been repetitive, with what little we've learned, but sometimes it's a good thing being repetitive....it brings back to light some things that folks may have forgotten....lord knows it's hard to go back through these threads & try to find anything now...ugh....




I know...

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#1033 Today, 10:11 AM
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Maybe we should start part 4? It must be rough for the dial-up folks to load this thread!

Maybe it will get it's own forum soon...


Oh hi again, Mama-Cita... You're right, lol. This thread is spinning alright. Magic work performed by many: majority kudos to sami and scandi for fantastic forum contributions and efforts !

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#1034 Today, 10:13 AM
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Oh hi again, Mama-Cita... You're right, lol. This thread is spinning alright. Magic work performed by many: majority kudos to sami and scandi for fantastic forum contributions and efforts !


oh yes...kudos to Sami & Scandi
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[PolkSaladAnnie]

If someone else had already started to do this, I'll delete this thread.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1241985#post1241985


Ata girl fran : thanks very much .... and hi there :)

[fran]

Ata girl fran : thanks very much .... and hi there :)


Back atcha' PSA.... :blowkiss:

fran

Now, what have I missed? :doh:

Does anyone have a link to misfits? I've been looking for it for two days! I read there earlier this week but didn't keep a link. :eek:

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Back atcha' PSA.... :blowkiss:

fran

Now, what have I missed? :doh:

HEAPS!!!

Lol ... excellent stuff, fran...

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Weighing the odds - he could have parked on the access road to the recreational complex in the sub-division - pretty remote road south of his home, not far, and most likely not in use during the wee hours. This also ties in with the little rumor that a delivery person might have seen something, you recall that rumor ? Clean laundry, towels for the gym and so on could have been delivered to the rec center in the wee hours of the morning.

Lots of possibilities...

If a car was seen a delivery person would definitely have remembered it especially as the streets would have been usually dark, quiet and desolate, eh charlie? Perhaps the vehicle may have looked suspicious wherever it was, drawing attention... opposite of the objective.

There may have been cameras at the hotel ... ??

Just a few thoughts ...

PSA

[raisincharlie]

If a car was seen a delivery person would definitely have remembered it especially as the streets would have been usually dark, quiet and desolate, eh charlie? Perhaps the vehicle may have looked suspicious wherever it was, drawing attention... opposite of the objective.

There may have been cameras at the hotel ... ??

Just a few thoughts ...

PSA
If there is a delivery person who saw something - IMO it would not have been a vehicle parked in a driveway near a house that would have caught their attention. It could have been a vehicle moving in the opposite direction at 3 am that they might remember however, especially if it was going a bit fast or had no lights on or something else stupid, or it could have been indeed parked somewhere a car wouldn't be expected to be at that time of night.

The hotel - we can hope but if JY, and two hotels were stayed at , one close, one near his business meeting, I'll think the one close was a fleabag type and the second with all kinds of security. Logic says there should only be one hotel and that one being the one near his meeting so he can prove what time he checked in. But that doesn't mean he didn't come back after checking in and wait out his plan at one close to the home that he could also use to clean up at. JMO

[fran]

Thought we needed to bring this list over here too! FOCUS! :)

fran

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44746&page=37&pp=25
List originally posted by raisincharlie on Part 3 and amended by PSA

Amended: 3

1. Husband leaves night before murder for a business trip.
2. Husband is last person to speak with wife at 11 pm.
3. Last person(s) known to see victim was (were) friend(s).
4. Wife is 4 months pregnant, therefore statistically at risk.
5. Husband phones SIL the next day asking to retrieve a fax from his home.
6. SIL finds murdered wife.
7. 2.5 year old child left alive and unharmed.
8. Dog in house.
9. Neighbors unaware of anything unusual except outside lights being on
a couple of days prior to the murder.
10. Husband on way to parents home when body is found.
11. Reported child in the neighborhood with supposed behavioral issues.
12. Wife previously lost a baby shortly after an auto accident.
13. Wife works flex time and may or may not have been expected at work.
14. Husband's vehicle is immediately impounded upon return to home area.
15. Husband retains lawyer at some point.
16. Sheriff's spokeswoman indicates the crime is not random.
17. LE indicates no "forced entry" at the crime scene.
18. Sheriff reports neighborhood is quiet with very few problems.
19. Police asked for information about events between 12 and 6 am.
20. Police investigate previous accident involving couple - May 2005.
21. Police have made no further appeals to the public for assistance.
22. Sheriff indicates in interview with Greta, no warrants obtained for collection of fingerprints of several people.
23. Husband complies with Non-testimonial order and gives samples requested in presence of his lawyer.
24. No external tip line established (police tip line exists).
25. No reward for information posted by sheriff or families.


Newest add #17 - no forced entry.

[fran]

If there is a delivery person who saw something - IMO it would not have been a vehicle parked in a driveway near a house that would have caught their attention. It could have been a vehicle moving in the opposite direction at 3 am that they might remember however, especially if it was going a bit fast or had no lights on or something else stupid, or it could have been indeed parked somewhere a car wouldn't be expected to be at that time of night.

The hotel - we can hope but if JY, and two hotels were stayed at , one close, one near his business meeting, I'll think the one close was a fleabag type and the second with all kinds of security. Logic says there should only be one hotel and that one being the one near his meeting so he can prove what time he checked in. But that doesn't mean he didn't come back after checking in and wait out his plan at one close to the home that he could also use to clean up at. JMO

Exactly! Just because he checked in doesn't mean he stayed there to sleep.

Also, perhaps an early morning delivery person saw lights on in the house, which, imho, would have probably been unusual for that time of morning.

JMHO
fran

[raisincharlie]

Exactly! Just because he checked in doesn't mean he stayed there to sleep.

Also, perhaps an early morning delivery person saw lights on in the house, which, imho, would have probably been unusual for that time of morning.

JMHO
fran
The lights on in the house would definitely catch a person's attention if they were driving by - yes Ma'am.

[scandi]

Here's a link to Misfits Fran: http://www.mermaidsinging.com/2006/11/the_secret.htm#comments

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Well, well, well - a very deep subject! My thoughts are traveling back to Ocean's comment that there must be something so telling that it will nail him, and then Fran's comment she needs something, even a little something to tantalize her brain {in the same light I think}. LOL

I must have mulled this over while sleeping, but since we have again discussed the rumor of his car being seen in his driveway after the time when he should have been driving to his business meeting, I think it is only prudent to bring this up.

The rumor that when he left his house before 10:30pm he drove only 1/2 mile away from his home and went to a motel. It is said by the insider he made a call at 11pm to Michelle, so it would have to have been from that motel. Sometime after midnight acc to the LE quest of the public, someone killed her.

I think that might be a real possibility to nail the case if it is indeed true. Can you imagine him being so stupid as to do this? He undoubtedly used a fake name, unless they check your drivers licence. Would he be so stupid as to use his own name. Or possibly he had someone else that was staying there who he rendevued with until it was time to go back to the house.

It might be what LE has been working on, to nail down little details about that short stay. It sure smacks of premeditation, and then get it over quick so he could be on his way out of town. Proving this in the correct way so it is court worthy and proof could be why he he hasn't been arrested yet.

One thing we know is that these men who kill their pregnant wives out of passion are not smart at all in the way they go about it. I always thought of SP as dumber than a box of rocks. This guy, if he rented that motel not far from where his wife was sleeping before he slipped out of town, he has to be the one who is dumber than a box of dirty rocks!

One last thought is we are the only forum to have heard this rumor - none of the other boards have even picked up on it. I think it came from a very credible poster, and am thinking it might be pretty full sail or she wouldn't mention it. :cool:

Scandi

At the other forums they are assuming it was Raleigh LE that had the enhanced snipet removed from the web which is not the case. It was a LE officer in another country I believe that the poster knows who gave her this advice.

[raisincharlie]

Here's a link to Misfits Fran: http://www.mermaidsinging.com/2006/11/the_secret.htm#comments

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Well, well, well - a very deep subject! My thoughts are traveling back to Ocean's comment that there must be something so telling that it will nail him, and then Fran's comment she needs something, even a little something to tantalize her brain {in the same light I think}. LOL

I must have mulled this over while sleeping, but since we have again discussed the rumor of his car being seen in his driveway after the time when he should have been driving to his business meeting, I think it is only prudent to bring this up.

The rumor that when he left his house before 10:30pm he drove only 1/2 mile away from his home and went to a motel. It is said by the insider he made a call at 11pm to Michelle, so it would have to have been from that motel. Sometime after midnight acc to the LE quest of the public, someone killed her.

I think that might be a real possibility to nail the case if it is indeed true. Can you imagine him being so stupid as to do this? He undoubtedly used a fake name, unless they check your drivers licence. Would he be so stupid as to use his own name. Or possibly he had someone else that was staying there who he rendevued with until it was time to go back to the house.

It might be what LE has been working on, to nail down little details about that short stay. It sure smacks of premeditation, and then get it over quick so he could be on his way out of town. Proving this in the correct way so it is court worthy and proof could be why he he hasn't been arrested yet.

One thing we know is that these men who kill their pregnant wives out of passion are not smart at all in the way they go about it. I always thought of SP as dumber than a box of rocks. This guy, if he rented that motel not far from where his wife was sleeping before he slipped out of town, he has to be the one who is dumber than a box of dirty rocks!

One last thought is we are the only forum to have heard this rumor - none of the other boards have even picked up on it. I think it came from a very credible poster, and am thinking it might be pretty full sail or she wouldn't mention it. :cool:

Scandi
Scandi,

Last night I checked on Map Quest - there are a reported 150 hotel/motels within 15 miles of the Young home. There are several within 4.5 to 5 miles of the home but those would be the closest. Again on Map Quest - Durham is roughly 35 minutes away - tons and tons of hotels/motels. Also looked to the north - how far could a person get in say one hour - Oxford NC comes in - Virginia is at a minimum 1 hour 30 minutes and that would get you just inside the state line. Just for information.

[scandi]

Do we know where he made that 11pm call from? You make a great point Charlie, in that if they don't have a receipt for the payment of the motel it will involve a lot of shoeleather! Wouldn't you think they could find out what # that call was made from, or check motels in that short time frame to see what calls went out? If there was a friend there he could have used their cellie. That would open up a can of worms for LE, except they know who his good friends are. Could be Furtis {sp} LOL I don't think he is that smart - a slow bloomer as it has been said!

Scandi

[raisincharlie]

Do we know where he made that 11pm call from? You make a great point Charlie, in that if they don't have a receipt for the payment of the motel it will involve a lot of shoeleather! Wouldn't you think they could find out what # that call was made from, or check motels in that short time frame to see what calls went out? If there was a friend there he could have used their cellie. That would open up a can of worms for LE, except they know who his good friends are. Could be Furtis {sp} LOL I don't think he is that smart - a slow bloomer as it has been said!

Scandi
I recall a conversation here on the board about the call a couple of nights ago. I think we thought that the police most likely would have checked both land and cell phones pretty early by hitting the call back button which usually dials the last number called. I don't know if we decided that the phones would reveal last incoming phone call or not. I know my cell keeps a list of five of the most recent incoming calls - the numbers, date, and time show up on this list. Not sure what else to tell you. quess it depends on the service provider.

[close_enough]

Alice253

I've really only been reading on this thread, but I do want to say that I hope Cassidy ends up with Michelle's family, either Meredith or her parents when (IF) JY is found to have committed this horrendous crime.

******

just noticed this post...back tracked on the last thread, lol

anyway, i hope the same.....

[close_enough]

Ata girl fran : thanks very much .... and hi there :)

i 2nd that, Fran:)

[close_enough]

If there is a delivery person who saw something - IMO it would not have been a vehicle parked in a driveway near a house that would have caught their attention. It could have been a vehicle moving in the opposite direction at 3 am that they might remember however, especially if it was going a bit fast or had no lights on or something else stupid, or it could have been indeed parked somewhere a car wouldn't be expected to be at that time of night.

The hotel - we can hope but if JY, and two hotels were stayed at , one close, one near his business meeting, I'll think the one close was a fleabag type and the second with all kinds of security. Logic says there should only be one hotel and that one being the one near his meeting so he can prove what time he checked in. But that doesn't mean he didn't come back after checking in and wait out his plan at one close to the home that he could also use to clean up at. JMO

i think you could be right...it could happen...if he used his cell phone, LE's got him with the cell towers, & if he used a landline, they'll have the number on Michelle's phone....well, unless when he got back to the house, he erased the incoming call on Michelle's end, whether it be landline or cell .....hmmm

[close_enough]

Back atcha' PSA.... :blowkiss:

fran

Now, what have I missed? :doh:

Does anyone have a link to misfits? I've been looking for it for two days! I read there earlier this week but didn't keep a link. :eek:

www.misfitting.com

[close_enough]

The lights on in the house would definitely catch a person's attention if they were driving by - yes Ma'am.

i would think so also, except from what i can tell, the houses sit fairly off the road, am i right????

[close_enough]

Hey Scandi....i agree; it "sure smacks of premeditation"

[raisincharlie]

i would think so also, except from what i can tell, the houses sit fairly off the road, am i right????
I would say they are a ways back but this doesn't make them invisible. Look again at some of Greta's tapes - they are near the edge of the road but the house and lights in the background are quite visible even with the studio lights at work. In the middle of the night driving on an un-lit street - a light on in any house would stick out like a sore thumb I think.

[Bee Charmer]

I would like to add my thanks to
the Super Sleuthies, Close Enough, RaisinCharlie,
Polksalad, Scandi and Sal. You have all done a
great job.

I was wondering if JY and family have allowed
Meredith to see little Cassidy. I would think
this little one would need to see people who
love her. Especially Meredith, who acted in
the capacity as her Nanny, didn't she?

If JY has not, then I think this is another
very suspicious act on his part.

[Floh]

Thank you fran, for a new thread!

it's all getting so unweildly.

please mods, can we have specific foum for Michelle?

[close_enough]

I would say they are a ways back but this doesn't make them invisible. Look again at some of Greta's tapes - they are near the edge of the road but the house and lights in the background are quite visible even with the studio lights at work. In the middle of the night driving on an un-lit street - a light on in any house would stick out like a sore thumb I think.

heck i can't even find the link to that interview that night...the one she had there in Raleigh, live....doesn't matter....

i just remember something about Hammer looking back at the house, & mentioning how it sets back off the road, but we could still see the porch lights from a distance.....doesn't matter, lol...i'm just 'picking' i guess....

[close_enough]

I would like to add my thanks to
the Super Sleuthies, Close Enough, RaisinCharlie,
Polksalad, Scandi and Sal. You have all done a
great job.

I was wondering if JY and family have allowed
Meredith to see little Cassidy. I would think
this little one would need to see people who
love her. Especially Meredith, who acted in
the capacity as her Nanny, didn't she?

If JY has not, then I think this is another
very suspicious act on his part.

lol ...well, thanks Bee...let's not forget Otto, ...oh gosh there's so many, now that i think of it:)
great group of folks i must :clap:

haven't heard a peep about Michelle's family being able to see Cassidy...i know they Young's are in Brevard, & Meredith lives in Raleigh, so it's hard to say.....MY guess is no, they havnen't, but i could be wrong....

[Txmom]

Even if JY went back to the house and deleted the caller ID, the phone company may be able to provide a record of calls coming into the house....I called Verizion about a call that came to my house, and I also returned the call--then my children erased the number on caller ID. Verizion told me to give them some time and they could get me the number. (The computers keep track of all that we do.)

Also I work part-time at a Best Western Hotel, and when someone comes in for a room, I always ask for a drivers license. But, when we print out their computerized check in sheet aka folio, the time is printed on it. If the customer comes back later asking for a copy of it and I reprint it, the time that shows on the copy is the time that they had originally checked in.

I am having a very difficult time understanding why anyone would drive 30 minutes from home and check into a motel/hotel. If you were that tired, you should never have left home. I would also be interested in knowing if the hotel had security cameras, and if the rooms had interior or exterior doors. If the hotel had exterior doors the staff cannot keep track of the customers movement.

[Cypros]

Can someone please tell me where the idea that JY rented a hotel just a half hour from the house came from? It seems to be a big focus of discussion today but I cannot tack its origin. Did it come from someone involved in the case or is it a poster's speculation? I'm sure if I were to read all 1000 posts in the Part III thread I would be able to find it, but that will take hours!

Thanks!

[raisincharlie]

Can someone please tell me where the idea that JY rented a hotel just a half hour from the house came from? It seems to be a big focus of discussion today but I cannot tack its origin. Did it come from someone involved in the case or is it a poster's speculation? I'm sure if I were to read all 1000 posts in the Part III thread I would be able to find it, but that will take hours!

Thanks!
Cypros,

This is speculation most likely mixed with rumor. I am not certain of the origin of this but here it is. It was not something reported in any news source and I do believe it has its origins on another website. Sorry can't help you any better than that.

[Cypros]

Cypros,

This is speculation most likely mixed with rumor. I am not certain of the origin of this but here it is. It was not something reported in any news source and I do believe it has its origins on another website. Sorry can't help you any better than that.

Thanks raisincharlie. I won't take it very seriously then until I hear it is official.

[fran]

Here's a link to Misfits Fran: http://www.mermaidsinging.com/2006/11/the_secret.htm#comments

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Scandi

At the other forums they are assuming it was Raleigh LE that had the enhanced snipet removed from the web which is not the case. It was a LE officer in another country I believe that the poster knows who gave her this advice.

Thanks for the link scandi! :blowkiss:

Now I just have to catch up here. Been involved in the NH case for the past couple of hours with that show being aired in Holland. Still have to wait until tomorrow to see 'for real' what was said. :(

fran

PS...Thanks to you too Close Enough, for the link! :) You all are the BEST! fran

[scandi]

Hi Txmom, I think if he did rent a motel 1/2 hour away from home, all speculation, it would be a close place to lie in wait. He knew she was going to bed he could double back and sneak up on her in the bed,which sounds plausible to me.

The check in time at the motel where the business meeting was would be an interesting thing to find out. We won't hear that till trial I'm sure.

Scandi

[fran]

Let's say that Michelle's friend or friends came to watch GA an hour or so early so they could yak awhile. JY decides to leave between 7:30 and 8:00 P.M. for say a three hour drive. That would seem reasonable to me.

He checks in, calls Michelle around 11 P.M. and?????????????????????

IIRC, Michelle's TOD was at the latest, 3:30 A.M., according to how rigamortis sets in according to Dr. Baden and she was found at 1:30 P.M.

Sooooooooooo, if JY's meeting was say 9 A.M., at a city three hours drive from his home, IF it were JY, he would have had to leave home by 6 A.M.

Just something to chew on.

JMHO
fran

[raisincharlie]

Let's say that Michelle's friend or friends came to watch GA an hour or so early so they could yak awhile. JY decides to leave between 7:30 and 8:00 P.M. for say a three hour drive. That would seem reasonable to me.

He checks in, calls Michelle around 11 P.M. and?????????????????????

IIRC, Michelle's TOD was at the latest, 3:30 A.M., according to how rigamortis sets in according to Dr. Baden and she was found at 1:30 P.M.

Sooooooooooo, if JY's meeting was say 9 A.M., at a city three hours drive from his home, IF it were JY, he would have had to leave home by 6 A.M.

Just something to chew on.

JMHO
franI am sure hoping JY did not have time or the presence of mind to unload luggage and what not from his vehicle when he got to his parents. I'm hoping there was a briefcase full of receipts and a lap top in that SUV when he returned to Raleigh - if so, the police know a lot more than we may think without ever talking to JY. Since the police have admitted only to talking to him briefly - I'm thinking they had a different method of figuring not only his whereavbouts but also the times associated. JMO

[scandi]

Hi Fran!

Counting back for rigor the latest she could have died would be 3:30 acc to Dr Baden. And the earliest? Rigor can begin at any time up to 2 hours I believe to actually start processing, so that would make it 12:30 at the earliest for TOD.

That would jive with LE wanting to know what cars were there between midnight and 6am.

So I bet after the 11pm call he waited an hour before he doubled back to the house. She could have been gone by 12:30, I bet that LE has him cold on the checkin at the fancy motel by his appt, and what they're polishing up is where he was after he left the house up until he came back and murdered her.

Hope they have a masterful Chief investigator on the case. Wonder if it is the same prosecutor as on the Duke case?


Scandi

PS: Interesting fact I learned on the LA Coroner show I watched this week. Rigor begins in the eye muscles. And it leaves the same way, so the last little bit of rigor in a dead body is in the eyes.

[Juliana]

I don't have anything useful to add - you guys are way too smart for me - just wanted to say I thought about this little girl this Thanksgiving - without her mommy. Christmas will be hard too. Maybe she's too young to realize now but the holidays will probably always be hard for her because of her moms death right before the holidays. I hope her father was not involved (doesn't look good from what I can see but I've been wrong many times on matters such as this). I wonder if the dad is arrested, will the LE wait until after the holidays to arrest just to allow this little girl some semblance of a merry Christmas?

[fran]

So, from their ehhhh supposed friend in the know, we are to believe that:

1. Michelle, who was very security conscious, didn't think it necessary to lock the door or forgot, when her husband is out of town, thus the no forced entry?

2. The fax, which Meredith specifically said was a fax, was not a fax but a computer print out. This genius IT salesman, wants us to believe that he would send something to his home computer to be printed out regarding something Michelle wanted for a gift, while he was gone, so he needed his SIL to go and retrieve it before his wife saw it. What, he didn't have access to a computer and printer? If no printer, he couldn't just have emailed himself and printed it out when he got home?

3. I'll go along with him waiting to leave for home to wait for his family, so they could drive. After all, he'd just found out his wife had been murdered and was in no condition to drive five hours home. BUT,.............to not go through the house and see if anything is missing? To NOT talk to LE all this time to help find the REAL killer?

4 The poster supposedly in the know first said it was a Xmas gift then said an anniversary gift, ehh........leather (purse)......(louis vittan by chance?)

5. IF Michelle lost the baby she was carrying in the Spring two weeks after the accident, I would venture to say the accident was the cause of the miscarriage. I don't believe a doctor would rule that out. The car was in four feet of water, she must have had to force her way out of the car and swim to shore, plus she apparently didn't have on her seat belt.

6. To spout over and over what a happy couple they were and her friends are sticking by the husband mean absolutely nothing. Laci's family and friends stuck by Scott at first too,........that is until they found out they didn't know Scott at all. Apparently, Laci didn't really know him either, it would appear.

Like I said, it does the friends and family of the victim a disservice to read and post on blogs about this crime. It would be better if they spent time taking care of their friends. PLUS, imho, they're letting out information that probably should be kept under-wraps for now. IF LE isn't talking, neither should they, imho.

I will stop suspecting the husband IF and WHEN the husband goes in and talks to LE AND a reward is issued for information resulting in the capture and conviction of the killer. ONLY THEN will I look elsewhere...............until then................previous records speak for themselves on who the most likely perp is.

JMHO
fran

[Samiya]

lol...we've moved house......thread 4.

Ok, so I didn't go to bed when I said I was going to because something caught me.

:confused: while looking into something....

When are new updated phone books released in the USA?

[raisincharlie]

lol...we've moved house......thread 4.

Ok, so I didn't go to bed when I said I was going to because something caught me.

:confused: while looking into something....

When are new updated phone books released in the USA?
Just checked dates on ours here - June to June is the calendar time covered. It may be something different in the Raleigh area though.

[fran]

I am sure hoping JY did not have time or the presence of mind to unload luggage and what not from his vehicle when he got to his parents. I'm hoping there was a briefcase full of receipts and a lap top in that SUV when he returned to Raleigh - if so, the police know a lot more than we may think without ever talking to JY. Since the police have admitted only to talking to him briefly - I'm thinking they had a different method of figuring not only his whereavbouts but also the times associated. JMO

I don't think he had time to unload. He was just waiting for his family to load their stuff.

I'm hoping LE has presence of mind to check his various credit cards, money cards, and cash receipts (if he has any) to compare when he last bought gas and how much was in the tank etc......

I'm also hoping that he was stupid enough to leave his cell phone on that night or morning, IF it was him. LE would definitely know his route then. That would prove one way or the other, IMO.

JMHO
fran

[scandi]

Hi Sami,

How funny you should ask that today. I found my new phone book for Portland on my front door step about 2 hours ago! :rolleyes:

Does your new project have to do with this case?


Scandi

[SewingDeb]

30 minutes away? How about Cary, NC. It's not far but takes about that long to get there if there is any traffic.

[Samiya]

It didn't take long to find out that the ladder in the photo from the woman's show site was taken on the 11/17/06...All photos were taken on that date and judging by the number sequence of the photos...they took lot of photos.

In light of some recent posts, I've decided to post some thoughts that I had begun to post but instead sent it all in an email to myself so I could save it and go over it again.

[otto]

lol ...well, thanks Bee...let's not forget Otto, ...oh gosh there's so many, now that i think of it:)
great group of folks i must :clap:

haven't heard a peep about Michelle's family being able to see Cassidy...i know they Young's are in Brevard, & Meredith lives in Raleigh, so it's hard to say.....MY guess is no, they havnen't, but i could be wrong....

Thanks Close. I've been hiding lately so any new additions probably haven't noticed me. I'm just sitting back and thinking - trying to get some sort of picture or scenario in my mind. I'm still reading every word and mulling it around.

I wonder if Michelle's family will have to file a visitation request with the courts to see Cassidy or if Jason will recognize the importance of Cassidy maintaining a close relationship with Michelle's family.

[Samiya]

Let's say that Michelle's friend or friends came to watch GA an hour or so early so they could yak awhile. JY decides to leave between 7:30 and 8:00 P.M. for say a three hour drive. That would seem reasonable to me.

He checks in, calls Michelle around 11 P.M. and?????????????????????

IIRC, Michelle's TOD was at the latest, 3:30 A.M., according to how rigamortis sets in according to Dr. Baden and she was found at 1:30 P.M.

Sooooooooooo, if JY's meeting was say 9 A.M., at a city three hours drive from his home, IF it were JY, he would have had to leave home by 6 A.M.

Just something to chew on.

JMHO
fran(My original saved post, instead sent to my inbox for saving and mulling over)

6 hours is a long time...now if he left home say around 8pm, that gives him 3 hours extra to drive a decent distance, ring Michelle at 11pm to make sure friends were gone, then head back to the house arriving between 2 and 4 (within the murder timeframe), then get to his destination between 8 and 9 am....trot off to a business meeting then go on to his parents place or drive directly to his parents place, stop at a motel check in, have a shower, etc. That's alot of driving, the murder itself wouldn't have taken long at all.

Now.....this depends on where in Virginia the 'business meeting' was. And that he called Michelle from a motel somewhere.

Another speculative thought saved...

Did he ring from a motel or was he within close proximity to the house and calling from a cell phone? If he rang from a motel phone, the motel would have records if they're like the ones over here who charge guests for phone usage....and if they don't charge guests for phone calls, the phone company will still have records.

If on a cell phone, what are the providers phone line range before it would be a call from another area further away?

20,000 questions and not one answer, lol.

[raisincharlie]

30 minutes away? How about Cary, NC. It's not far but takes about that long to get there if there is any traffic.
There you are ! Assuming you are familiar with the area - is Durham about 35 minutes ?

Posted this back the other day - several pages ago thought you might like:

http://music.yahoo.com/ar-16514161-videos--KT-Tunstall

5th title down - Black Horse and the Cherry Tree 2005

from a touch of Brazilian beat (Nelly) to a touch of 12 bar blues - this little lady has a heck of a voice as well. Enjoy !

[sweetmop]

Oh my goodness! I've been trying to catch up on all these posts today, since we had company in for Thanksgiving and I didn't want to appear too rude hanging on the computer all the time. I can not believe that there is no arrest yet, of JY. I will eat my hat(:crazy: ) if he is an innocent man, as much as we would all like him to be. I have listened to the 911 call over and over again this evening. Called my dh & son in here and had them both listen to it. I didn't say a word about little Cassidy or what she had said... my son said "Obviously daddy was there." and my hubby said, "That sob out of town,huh? Well he's your guy" Now these 2 haven't been following this case and reading all this stuff on here like I have. It really is difficult to understand why no arrest yet though. Someone mentioned earlier about would LE delay an arrest due to the upcoming holidays, I feel quite certain they will not, yet what could be the hold up? Is there any one of you guys that think this young woman's murder was a random act? Are we all pretty much agreeing that JY did it? :( It breaks my heart for little Cassidy, the little unborn baby boy, and all of Michelle's family. So so sad, and so very sick. I wonder also if there is something that causes these demon spouses to just crack at holidays. Horrible loss any time but death just prior to Christmas time is doubly horrible. JMHO. I appreciate all of you.

[SewingDeb]

There you are ! Assuming you are familiar with the area - is Durham about 35 minutes ?

Posted this back the other day - several pages ago thought you might like:

http://music.yahoo.com/ar-16514161-videos--KT-Tunstall

5th title down - Black Horse and the Cherry Tree 2005

from a touch of Brazilian beat (Nelly) to a touch of 12 bar blues - this little lady has a heck of a voice as well. Enjoy !


I think Durham is about 30 minutes or so from Raleigh. Raleigh is really big and sometimes it takes awhile to get anywhere.

Thanks for the link! I'll go check it out. : )

[SewingDeb]

Thanks raisincharlie. I won't take it very seriously then until I hear it is official.

That's how I feel about it. We need to make sure rumors don't become facts.

I really wish they would release a few more facts to the public.

[SewingDeb]

There you are ! Assuming you are familiar with the area - is Durham about 35 minutes ?

Posted this back the other day - several pages ago thought you might like:

http://music.yahoo.com/ar-16514161-videos--KT-Tunstall

5th title down - Black Horse and the Cherry Tree 2005

from a touch of Brazilian beat (Nelly) to a touch of 12 bar blues - this little lady has a heck of a voice as well. Enjoy !


Thanks Charlie, I love that song! I've been singing along with it on the radio for awhile but I didn't know who sang or the name of the song until you posted it. She does have a wonderful voice. Will have to check out more of her music.

[less0305]

30 minutes away? How about Cary, NC. It's not far but takes about that long to get there if there is any traffic.

How about Burlington - and if he were heading to Virginia - wouldn't it be more likely he would go by way of Burlington?

[raisincharlie]

Thanks Charlie, I love that song! I've been singing along with it on the radio for awhile but I didn't know who sang or the name of the song until you posted it. She does have a wonderful voice. Will have to check out more of her music.
Another Place to Fall is pretty intense- Other Side of the World is also very good - it has to grow on you a bit however.

[less0305]

When are new updated phone books released in the USA?

I'm in northern N.C. and ours are Oct. to Oct.

[strach304]

I personally don't think he went somewhere within a half hour of the house that he could be traced to such as a hotel or motel but it does fall in line with my original suspicion that he didn't leave town or go far when Michele's friends saw him leave and of course came back later. He knew her friends were coming over and it was reported to be something she did every week so he had witnesses to see what time he actually left.

The 11pm phone call could have been made from a phone booth. I know they're outdated but do still exist and are thought to be untraceable however I do believe at least the location may be tracked and thus where the half hour hotel rumor may have surfaced.

[SewingDeb]

I'm in northern N.C. and ours are Oct. to Oct.

I'm now in Western NC (lived in the Piedmont area for many years) and I believe that's when our new phone books came out. Maybe it's the same all over NC?

[jilly]

3. I'll go along with him waiting to leave for home to wait for his family, so they could drive. After all, he'd just found out his wife had been murdered and was in no condition to drive five hours home. BUT,.............to not go through the house and see if anything is missing? To NOT talk to LE all this time to help find the REAL killer?

JMHO
fran

Fran, I'm not so sure they would allow the guy into the house would they? I mean this isn't a B&E they're investigating it's a murder crime scene. I just remember Rusty Yates having to wait outside when he arrived at his house.

I'm wondering what the intent was with the family once they got back to Raleigh. To take luggage and medication, seems they were planning on staying for awhile. Maybe they thought they could stay at the house?

I think it's awesome that LE impounded his vehicle immediately. Must have been quite a shock for them all.

[raisincharlie]

Fran, I'm not so sure they would allow the guy into the house would they? I mean this isn't a B&E they're investigating it's a murder crime scene. I just remember Rusty Yates having to wait outside when he arrived at his house.

I'm wondering what the intent was with the family once they got back to Raleigh. To take luggage and medication, seems they were planning on staying for awhile. Maybe they thought they could stay at the house?

I think it's awesome that LE impounded his vehicle immediately. Must have been quite a shock for them all.
Based on the Step - Dad's comments in a news article he was none too pleased to say the least. I do think this is also what prompted the retainer of a lawyer - I think the message was pretty clear. I would venture to guess a lawyer was contacted ASAP after this impoundment. JMO though.

[jilly]

Based on the Step - Dad's comments in a news article he was none too pleased to say the least. I do think this is also what prompted the retainer of a lawyer - I think the message was pretty clear. I would venture to guess a lawyer was contacted ASAP after this impoundment. JMO though.

I would bet that you're correct! I seem to remember, RC who went with JY. Was it his brother and sister in law? Somehow I remember the brother was driving.

[raisincharlie]

I would bet that you're correct! I seem to remember, RC who went with JY. Was it his brother and sister in law? Somehow I remember the brother was driving.
It was his sister, brother in-law, Mom and step-Dad

http://www.newsobserver.com/928/story/507222.html

To refresh your recollection.

[Samiya]

I'm in northern N.C. and ours are Oct. to Oct.Thank you for that. Now I am curious....

The transfer of the deed on 5108 Birchleaf Dr was 5/20/2005 (May 2005)

Phone number at 5108 Birchleaf Dr is in the name is P. Masie.

Mr Masie and his wife live in Apex NC and have done since 2005. they were the immediate owners of the Birchleaf Dr house before Jason and Michelle.

Admittedly,being way over here and being a sticky beak lol, I checked the online phone book and the phone at 5108 Birchleaf Dr is listed in the name of Mr P Masie....

dont' they update the online phone books?

[jilly]

It was his sister, brother in-law, Mom and step-Dad

http://www.newsobserver.com/928/story/507222.html

To refresh your recollection.

Thank you.:)

[raisincharlie]

Thank you.:)You are quite welcome Jilly


From the article I noticed a few things:

"McIntyre said he told Jason Young to get a lawyer. He said he was afraid that police would pin the death on his stepson, regardless of evidence. "

Does this sound familiar to anyone else. ?

"I do not want my son to be talking to any type of investigators," he said. "They're not going to be trustworthy when they talk to him."

Seems to confirm to me that there will be absolutely no cooperation from this camp- perhaps I am being overly critical - anyone else have a better interpretation?

"McIntyre criticized the sheriff's office for not immediately returning the belongings, which included medical prescriptions, purses and cell phones."

Confirmation that the investigators have JY's cell phone

[scandi]

Hi Sami,

I use the online Super Yellow Pages all the time and they are waaaaay out of date - often by more than a year. The only updated thing I have found is often new businesses are in the YP's or Bigfoot if they have submitted a request to be included. But transfer of sales are often wrong.

I was wondering about Gerald McIntyre and his background, just out of interest I guess. He's quite bold and outspoken, and am wondering what his background is. My thought for this is I think it is quite unique that this 3 month on the job JY suddenly has had the saavy or ability to hire the most prestigeous law firm in the area {I think from what I've read}.

GM might know one of the Sr attornies and try to finagle his step-sons direction of defense. No talking to LE cause you can't trust them, wanted their things back right away, etc.

Really, I'm just blowing wind, although as the step father he will weild a lot of weight in decisions made about JY I would think. Do I sound too far off the wall? :D I don't even know how to check this guy out!

Scandi

[scandi]

:D :D :D I didn't see your post till I had posted mine, so we must be psychic, right? Great points by the way Charlie :slap: LOL

Scandi

[raisincharlie]

[QUOTE=scandi]:D :D :D I didn't see your post till I had posted mine, so we must be psychic, right? Great points by the way Charlie :slap: LOL

Scandi[/QUOTE

Bwaaaha - oops - oh man that's a scary thought :o ! I'm gonna keep an eye on you :p .


I'm glad I went back and looked again - very glad to know the police got the cell phone. Don't you know they are tracking that puppy down.

[Samiya]

Hi Sami,

I use the online Super Yellow Pages all the time and they are waaaaay out of date - often by more than a year. The only updated thing I have found is often new businesses are in the YP's or Bigfoot if they have submitted a request to be included. But transfer of sales are often wrong.

I was wondering about Gerald McIntyre and his background, just out of interest I guess. He's quite bold and outspoken, and am wondering what his background is. My thought for this is I think it is quite unique that this 3 month on the job JY suddenly has had the saavy or ability to hire the most prestigeous law firm in the area {I think from what I've read}.

GM might know one of the Sr attornies and try to finagle his step-sons direction of defense. No talking to LE cause you can't trust them, wanted their things back right away, etc.

Really, I'm just blowing wind, although as the step father he will weild a lot of weight in decisions made about JY I would think. Do I sound too far off the wall? :D I don't even know how to check this guy out!

ScandiThanks for that Scandi.....it's hard being a non US citizen and not knowing how often things are updated, lol. I wasn't inferring anything against poor P Masie, but the phon number remaining in his name was weird...so I'm glad that was sorted out coz it would've driven me mental....how are people supposed to find friends numbers online of if the carp is out of date, lol.

I don't think you're blowing wind my friend. I have been wondering the exact same things......Military perhaps? He has a prior perhaps and knows how bulldoggish LE can be?

Either way his reaction is rather on the extreme side.

Another thought coming soon....

[scandi]

Oh, good! :hand:

[Bobbisangel]

Anyone that watches any TV knows that the spouse is always looked at first. You would think that the husband would have wanted to cooperate with LE and get himself eliminated as a suspect. If he doesn't have anything to hide he should be more than willing to talk to LE.

The stepdad could just be about power and control and he is going to be in control of this situation. When a person is hung up on power and control it really ticks them off when they can't call all of the shots like getting their belongings back when he demanded that LE return them...now. He probably isn't anyone but just thinks that he is. There are a lot of people like that.

Anyone ever hear what was on that fax that the husband didn't want his wife to see or was there even a fax when the sister went over to the house. To me that was just the husbands way of making sure that someone found the baby.

[fran]

Fran, I'm not so sure they would allow the guy into the house would they? I mean this isn't a B&E they're investigating it's a murder crime scene. I just remember Rusty Yates having to wait outside when he arrived at his house.

I'm wondering what the intent was with the family once they got back to Raleigh. To take luggage and medication, seems they were planning on staying for awhile. Maybe they thought they could stay at the house?

I think it's awesome that LE impounded his vehicle immediately. Must have been quite a shock for them all.

jilly:
I understand why they didn't allow Rusty in, it was a crime scene of murder, clear and simple.

In this case, the motive could have been robbery. How would they know if anything was missing if the occupant didn't look around to see if anything is missing?

IMHO, they said right away it wasn't robbery. How would they know?

Something told them there was nothing missing.

JMHO
fran

[sweetmop]

Anyone that watches any TV knows that the spouse is always looked at first. You would think that the husband would have wanted to cooperate with LE and get himself eliminated as a suspect. If he doesn't have anything to hide he should be more than willing to talk to LE.

The stepdad could just be about power and control and he is going to be in control of this situation. When a person is hung up on power and control it really ticks them off when they can't call all of the shots like getting their belongings back when he demanded that LE return them...now. He probably isn't anyone but just thinks that he is. There are a lot of people like that.

Anyone ever hear what was on that fax that the husband didn't want his wife to see or was there even a fax when the sister went over to the house. To me that was just the husbands way of making sure that someone found the baby. The fax was supposed to be about a purse Jason wanted to buy for Michelle for anniversary gift... or so the story goes. Yep there's alot of "control freaks", I would agree with you about the stepdad.

[Samiya]

If it was a receipt....if he bought it in a shop they would've given the receipt there and then. If it was ordered online the receipt would come via email. If it was ordered via phone, the receipt would be either fax or email..but mostly likely would be in the form of the credit card statement (which is seen as being a receipt for purchases online)..most times via email as the receipt is done on a computer and almost all businesses are now online.

If it was a picture of a product photocopied from a catalogue, then yes it could have come via fax.

If not involved, then he would have had it sent to his home knowing that Michelle would've been at work if she was scheduled to work on that Friday, hence the 'safety' in asking Meredith to retrieve it before Michelle saw it when she got home.

If it was part of a 'plan' then yes, it would've been arranged for her to find Michelle and get Cassidy out of there...BUT why not get Meredith to go over to the house in the morning so that little Cassidy wouldn't have to be there with her deceased mommy for a good part of the day? If he did all that driving he wouldn't have rang Meredith until he got back to his destination. Which leads to the questions of "What were Michelle's Friday working hours when she worked on Fridays??" and "When was the fax organised to be sent? and why not have it sent on another weekday when he would know for sure that Michelle would be at work and he would be home" and "Did he ring Meredith Thursday night...late.. or Friday morning/around lunchtime?"

And if part of a plan he may as well have purposefully waiting a good decent number of hours before wanting her found....maybe he wasn't sure she was actually deceased. The only person who could confirm that for him was......Meredith.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I would like to add my thanks to
the Super Sleuthies, Close Enough, RaisinCharlie,
Polksalad, Scandi and Sal. You have all done a
great job.

I was wondering if JY and family have allowed
Meredith to see little Cassidy. I would think
this little one would need to see people who
love her. Especially Meredith, who acted in
the capacity as her Nanny, didn't she?

If JY has not, then I think this is another
very suspicious act on his part.

Well, thank you Bee...! This caught me from the moment I read the news. SORRRYYYY this is so long, but sadly (for me - maybe gladly for some, lol :D), don't think I'll be around much... so take this post as future credit stock. Puttin all my cards on the table.... As Johnny Cash crooned:

Know how to hold 'em,
Know How to fold 'em,
And when to walk away...

So HERE are my cards:


Very early on our first thread, I believed this guy snuk back, did what he did and - when his "alibi" emerged, there was just FAR "too much going on". He had (IMO) taken far too much time and trouble to ENSURE he could be accounted for.

What he may not be able to account for ... is exactly WHO saw him when he was allegedly on his own at a Hotel, which we figured was approximately an hour away from home. When this over-cooked alibi emerged and with Jasonites rumoured assistance ... I instinctively felt:

He had a business trip on Friday 3 November; some 5 hours away.
At that stage no mention of visiting his parents came in

He MADE SURE he was seen leaving by more than one witness: bags and all.
Michelle had her regular friend/s over to watch Gray's Anatomy: 9:30 - 10:30

He was PARTICULAR about making a phone call at 11 pm, putting him out of town. (H = hearsay)
If true, this was within minutes getting to his room: instant call - showed care.

He apparently calls his wife the next day: no reply. (H = hearsay)
If true, this action contrasts with previous evening's care/concern: he doesn't call MY's work, friends, family or the doctor and he assumes she at doctor. Does not appear concerned...

Meredith receives a call out of the blue to go by his house, collect a fax.
This is the first time he has ever asked Meredith to go to his home - for whatever reason.

It's not what LE/the press said, it's what they did not and have not said.
We heard nothing more about that supposed fax. We heard nothing about the business trip, allegedly in VA

Meredith obliges: blissfully unaware and unsuspecting; she believes MY is at work.
JY may have led her to believe MY was at work/doctor and he didn't want MY to see fax.

In all good faith, Meredith proceeds.
She arrives circa 1:25 ish if she called 911 within minutes, that is.

Meredith states dog was freaking out, MY cold and unable to move her; bloody footprints all over house.
First part of call, Meredith's anguish clear: baby in house, Meredith pulls herself together under guidance of 911 op. Established MY appears dead.

911-op gives her second strength: Meredith listens and tries to remain calm for Cassie; states MY supposed to be at work.
Cassie does not sound traumatised: coherent and articulate; no sound dog barking in background.

Meredith says "place doesn't look like it usually does"... Appears full rigor set in giving max 12 hours since TOD at thatb stage.
She only moves a pillow and reassures Cassie until EMS arrive.

The tape, I believe has been spliced at least 4 times.
The op, assumingly may have asked more details (anyone else there, are you safe, where is her spouse, etc)

Jason receives news between circa 2 and 3 pm on arrival his parents.
Visiting parents never came into this initially.

Just as Scott Peterson IMMEDIATELY pulled his Nerkely Mattina receipt, so Jason IMMEDIATELY pulls out his alibi.
Whereas ISP's ticket placed him at the site, JY's info places him outta sight. A new habit he's since enforced, IMO...

Sheriff emphatically reassures community & public not a random crime, no forced entry - death via blunt force trauma.
This, then, was someone known to Michelle, knew property; went specifically to murder MY.

By sewing together facts we know (vehicle impounded on arrival the following day - ..... a Saturday). Recall: Brent drove through the night to get help search for Laci.
Again: direct contrast with IMMEDIATE psyche behind the 'care' call from wherever the hotel was. Why not about turn and head back? What about Cassie? How could daddy assume baby OK? Begs question ... would YOU?

JY brings whole family down; lawyers up instantly with criminal defense attornies.
Court order then issued for all luggage, DNA samples etc, and car to be impounded.

No-one else issued Court Order: not last to be seen with MY - not the person to discover body.
They all complied instantly, forfeiting court order and assisting police.

Court order gives JY right to retain his silence. He does. In 3 weeks we learn he's spoken "only briefly" to LE. Extremely concerning.
This silent treatment continues. Just the day before he warmly (cunningly IMO) calls Meredith, he suddenly has nothing to say to them.

JY leaves house, moves in with his parents up to Brevard.
This isolates Michelle's family and leaving them perplexed, hurt, broken, confused.

MY's mom makes impassoned statement at funeral, leaves JY's name out completely. Claims "every faith" in LE.
JY avoids cameras and MY's family, no remote sign of unity between JY and MY's families.

Jason takes cassie with him back to Brevard. Rising icy atmosphere; JY says, does nothing.
Meanwhile, the Jasonites are in full Internet strength to spam (IMO) JY's wonderful, innocent, kind, goofy, nature; dispell suspicions and justify his every move, thought and reasoning

Earlier car accident emerges: May 2005.
MY was pregnant; loses baby. Heightens suspicions.

To me, it is not the WHO, BeeCh. It's the HOW, and exactly WHEN and ..... using WHAT!

The WHY? Well, I suggest we're able to consider the motive. Another sexual interest is involved, IMO, somewhere/somehow. If speculation is true divorce was mentioned ... well? JY only in his job at ChartOne 3 mos. He'd lose his house, custody and would look a jerk walking out on a young Young family. He wanted freedom. perhaps we might say, Jason Young wanted to be Forever Young ?

Although I'm always throwing song lyrics in there somewhere, I do feel he is responsible: he's acted like a cold, uncaring, class-act SOB since the murder and MY's family did NOT deserve that. It's hideous he appears to have tried to frame his own SIL, when just the day before he was defrauding her genuine trust. The tape is telling. VERY telling... And there's A LOT more we didn't hear on tape and A LOT more we will hear about all of the above.

And ... well, since 4 November, nothing's changed. IMO, that is.

Th-th-that's all for now folks :D

[jilly]

You are quite welcome Jilly


From the article I noticed a few things:

"McIntyre said he told Jason Young to get a lawyer. He said he was afraid that police would pin the death on his stepson, regardless of evidence. "

Does this sound familiar to anyone else. ?

"I do not want my son to be talking to any type of investigators," he said. "They're not going to be trustworthy when they talk to him."

Seems to confirm to me that there will be absolutely no cooperation from this camp- perhaps I am being overly critical - anyone else have a better interpretation?

"McIntyre criticized the sheriff's office for not immediately returning the belongings, which included medical prescriptions, purses and cell phones."

Confirmation that the investigators have JY's cell phone


Well...I don't want to nit pick but we don't really know for sure if JY had his with him. I hope he did.
Boy these cops were ready for their arrival that's for sure. I gather it must be a standard search warrant for vehicle and contents. Sorry to see that part of the belongings didn't mention a lap top. I wonder if JY did unpack some things at his parents.

[jilly]

jilly:
I understand why they didn't allow Rusty in, it was a crime scene of murder, clear and simple.

In this case, the motive could have been robbery. How would they know if anything was missing if the occupant didn't look around to see if anything is missing?

IMHO, they said right away it wasn't robbery. How would they know?

Something told them there was nothing missing.

JMHO
fran

I would think the sister was very familiar with that home. LE had quite a few hours with her and her mother before JY even got there. Maybe there is some truth to the rumour (?) that they were about to divorce. They even went so far as to get a warrant to impound JY's car during that time so they knew very early on imo that there was no robbery.

[strach304]

Nicely done PSA :clap: Hope everyone takes the time to go over it because it's a great summary.

If LE hadn't grabbed that suv right off they'd be fools! My first thought with such a bloody crime scene was to grab the vehicle Jason was known to be driving. I've also had the fleeting thought that another could've been used such as a rental or accomplice (lover). Not only forensic evidence but so that upon his return trip in case his vehicle was recognized or spotted.

[AlwaysShocked]

RE: The "step-father" who doesn't trust LE- Gerald McIntyre - why is the mother's name listed as "Patricia Young" in newspaper articles? Also, FWIW there are several Patricia Youngs with telephones listed in Brevard, NC, but no G or Gerald McIntyre with a telephone listed in Brevard NC.

[Samiya]

RE: The "step-father" who doesn't trust LE- Gerald McIntyre - why is the mother's name listed as "Patricia Young" in newspaper articles? Also, FWIW there are several Patricia Youngs with telephones listed in Brevard, NC, but no G or Gerald McIntyre with a telephone listed in Brevard NC.Guesstimate.....

They're not married but have been in their relationship long enough for him to be classed as "Stepfather" by both Patricia and her children. He may hve lived on his own at one stage and moved into Patricia's house, therefore she would have the phone in her name without changing it over.

Also, he may never have lived in Brevard. She may have met him on travels.

If that's wrong then either they married but she prefers to use her previous name of Young, or the Media has used Young to be able to immediately associate her as Jason's mom in conversations.

[Samiya]

Ohhhh Mannnnn,

I just realised that most of you will be asleep.

I'm lonely, lol.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Ohhhh Mannnnn,

I just realised that most of you will be asleep.

I'm lonely, lol.

BOO !

:D :D :D

[Samiya]

EEEkkkk

:croc:

I just discovered that cute little icon, lmao

[PolkSaladAnnie]

:eek:

LOL

Gosh, just as I was sidling out - don't DO that to me, heh heh

OK....let's talk!

can't wait .... have couple hours. From weekend I have to (sniff) get on with a project ...

Your service, ma'am

(God, don't get all temperamental and call out CHALK DUST!!!)

Quiet Please .....

Martina vs Sharapova: Love ALL

(and that includes: Love The One You're With...) :D

Sami - great stuff you've been bringing in here, girl! From all of us :blowkiss: ((((hug)))) and thanks! :clap:

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Nicely done PSA :clap: Hope everyone takes the time to go over it because it's a great summary.

If LE hadn't grabbed that suv right off they'd be fools! My first thought with such a bloody crime scene was to grab the vehicle Jason was known to be driving. I've also had the fleeting thought that another could've been used such as a rental or accomplice (lover). Not only forensic evidence but so that upon his return trip in case his vehicle was recognized or spotted.

Thank you strach! :)

Sense and sensibility prevail - the K.I.S.S. principle: JY had far too much going on: It's easy to fall victim to rumour - most often because these statements, qualificaitons and or justifications may sensationalise a specific train of thought.

Like Chinese Whispers - not only is the first claim probably incorrect - by the time it reaches last pair of ears: BOY ... has it changed!

And indeed, LE did whatever was necessary to get that vehicle and get it fast! I agree with you, if anything, that was their best move at that stage...

Thanks again, strach :dance:

[strach304]

I keep popping back in :D Can't sleep but I do have to jump in the shower and then off for a few errands. Just never know when I'll show up. ;)

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I keep popping back in :D Can't sleep but I do have to jump in the shower and then off for a few errands. Just never know when I'll show up. ;)

GOSH! You East Coast? Must be .... 7 am ??? (ish)

Love it when you do pop back ... just posted you, too, lol. So glad Sami is here, too :)

[Samiya]

Lol, you're welcome.

I've been doing this stuff for quite some time on and offline, and now my husband refers to me as "She who knows the colour of the inside of a dogs bum".

Note to husband!!!!!! Hon, I really prefer "Sweety" or heck, even "Dear" would be fine!

[PolkSaladAnnie]

edited...

If it was part of a 'plan' then yes, it would've been arranged for her to find Michelle and get Cassidy out of there...BUT why not get Meredith to go over to the house in the morning so that little Cassidy wouldn't have to be there with her deceased mommy for a good part of the day?

---->
maybe he wasn't sure she was actually deceased. The only person who could confirm that for him was......Meredith.


Good thoughts, there, Sami.

On the first section I snipped (part of plan), Here's my take, fwiw:

I have a hunch that JY considered SOMEONE would call MY Friday morn, get no reply, call him - find what's up - he'd then sound not overly concerned - but would mention MY had a doc appoint; may be sleeping. He'd express his regret at being so far away (damn!) and say: "Hey "X", would you mind trying again in an hour? Keep me posted, I'm sure she's OK, but best to check..." (example).

Maybe he thought the Doc would call? Her mom? Friends?

NO-ONE did. (HE thinks: :eek: ) Or if anyone did call, there was no answer and they thought nothing of it.

JY must have been edgy, impatient, time was closing in - he may have originally believed he'd have "received a terrible call" and dash back Friday. But could he go then, and take the risk of being the person to discover her? He couldn't guarantee his confidence or reaction.

IMO: Jason Young DID NOT WANT TO RETURN WITHOUT THE BODY BEING FOUND ... and by midday, seemed there may be a chance of that happening.

Soooooo-ooo, he considered options and melted a plan ... and? Called his lovely SIL, showing excitement about a surprise gift - oh wow - and so exciting/thoughtful, bringing Meredith in on the surprise, too!

................

Funny how he turned into a MacDonald's Ice-Burger with Meredith the moment HE discovered the "news". So rare are these Ice-Burgers, that it required safe-housing, a team of high-powered attornies.

Didn't even fall into to her arms and cry for her & Michelle: for the brutal experience of such a discovery: or .... for his baby.

He just --------------> ran like a ------------ :chicken:

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Lol, you're welcome.

I've been doing this stuff for quite some time on and offline, and now my husband refers to me as "She who knows the colour of the inside of a dogs bum".

Note to husband!!!!!! Hon, I really prefer "Sweety" or heck, even "Dear" would be fine!

It shows! Thanks for bringing your experience here: all posters, from novice to connoisseur make this a great place to ... erupt into creative thinking, lol.

(Well, I call my huz Know-ell ... :D and round Christmas time? Oh, those jingles chime loud and clear, lol...)

[strach304]

I have a theory about that too. Of course since I can't remember where I read it the info could have come from one of the posters on the ctv board that claim to know Jason. It was stated that he did call Meredith in the morning about the fax and she was at work at the time I believe so when she actually got there around 1:30 was the soonest time that she could get there from when Jason originally asked. I'm sure that was discussed here but barely so it may be hard to find to get the original source.

[strach304]

GOSH! You East Coast? Must be .... 7 am ??? (ish)

Love it when you do pop back ... just posted you, too, lol. So glad Sami is here, too :)

6:33 now :D

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I have a theory about that too. Of course since I can't remember where I read it the info could have come from one of the posters on the ctv board that claim to know Jason. It was stated that he did call Meredith in the morning about the fax and she was at work at the time I believe so when she actually got there around 1:30 was the soonest time that she could get there from when Jason originally asked. I'm sure that was discussed here but barely so it may be hard to find to get the original source.


Mmm! Rumour has it Meredith works in a restaurant: I'm *guessing* that JY called her - say - 11 to noon. He may have wanted her to collect the fax before Michelle returned from 'work'. (Recall: Meredith stated MY "should be at work..." - I feel Meredith took JY at his word with NO reason to interrogate him on a seemingly simple request. He misled her, IMO).

Like you, I think Meredith got there for 1:30 (earliest she culd make it...)

If it's true Mdith was told MY at work - then WHY didn't JY tell Meredith Michelle had a Dr's appnt? (Probably because that would drop the urgency of Mdith going immediately...? Just a guess...)

[Taximom]

PSA, nice summary of events and thoughts.:dance:

Everyone here contributes so much, I really enjoy all the comments, thoughts and ideas. No list here-too many to name!

Jilly wondered earlier if JY unloaded anything at his parent's home. YIKES, forgot about that. As far as I know, that place has not been searched. You can be sure Mr. McIntyre will be asking for a court order before HE allows a search! Great point, Jilly.:clap:

That must have been a loooonnnnnngggg 5 hour ride with his family. Any of us would probably be asking questions of JY like "who could have done this?" and so many more. Can you fake crying or being upset for that long?! ;)

I couldn't find anything on Gerald McIntyre when I tried to research him the other day. I didn't spend a lot of time on it though. I too was interested in why he would suggest getting a lawyer right away. Perhaps he's had some bad experiences himself? I'll keep looking around.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

6:33 now :D

Well, get yer coffee, pullup a chair: stroke the cat ... and hang around, lol. Eeuw... cold there now? I lived in New Jersey Jan-Jun '96: Cliffside Park. Had a brief contract period in Edgewater offices right next door to the Hudson ferry crossing...

Loved it. Loved the "Noo Joycie" accent, Boston Food complex and .. groan ... IHOP :silenced:

[Samiya]

That was along the thought I had last night.

Maybe he can't bring himself to speak to Meredith...if he did it (because he's likely to break down and not trust what he might come out with and is scared of what SHE might come out with) or he didn't do it (he has no idea what to say to her). I still think she deserves a bravery award for holding up so well under the circumstances. He, 911 Brent, in turn did a fantastic job with helping her stay under control. I cried each time she asked if she should try and help Michelle....and one part on the tape I can't hear properly is sad. Also Cassidy says a name and says "I miss you"....early on in the recording.

I'm going on a hunch that she was in fact talking to Michelle because my little boy often walks in my office and says "mommy, I miss you" and "mommy, can I have you for a minute". If not Michelle, then the name she would have said is Aunee Me me, which I've worked out is her name for Meredith.

Unfortunately I believe that Cassidy was awake during at least part of the murder.

In regards to children on premises at the time of a violent crime, I have a saying.....

A murder so violent is not a murder so silent.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

PSA, nice summary of events and thoughts.:dance:


Jilly wondered earlier if JY unloaded anything at his parent's home. YIKES, forgot about that. As far as I know, that place has not been searched. You can be sure Mr. McIntyre will be asking for a court order before HE allows a search! Great point, Jilly.:clap:

That must have been a loooonnnnnngggg 5 hour ride with his family.

I couldn't find anything on Gerald McIntyre when I tried to research him the other day.

Thank you for your good words, Tax :blowkiss:

JILLY: Excellent thought! We completely overlooked that here! My, my ... but by now? Also, perhaps ... LE has already located, sealed, scoured and searched the hotel, the room, trash, parking lot and roadside for "dumped" items en route?
Lol ... I've also been surfing for Gerry Mac, myself. Nix!

Well, however JY played his cards on that drive back, Taximom, he SURE got his step-dad and mama mighty angry with LE!

And then he ----> ran like a lil pesky, mangy, featherless :chicken:

:D

[PolkSaladAnnie]

That was along the thought I had last night.

Maybe he can't bring himself to speak to Meredith...if he did it (because he's likely to break down and not trust what he might come out with and is scared of what SHE might come out with) or he didn't do it (he has no idea what to say to her).

EXACTLY!!! He was not confident enough of his own reaction or what to say

I still think she deserves a bravery award for holding up so well under the circumstances.

Meredith did an amazing job keepng it together: she was on the verge ... and then placed her full trust in the 911-op (didn't know his name was Brent??? Lol... ).

Meredith is not a fickle woman, Sami: Own house, car, job, social life: works things out and appears relatively independent. To live/manage ... and maintain a decent enough lifestyle on your own - and in today's world - takes good sense, budgeting, self-confidence. Meredith gets my vote for that award, too.
In regards to children on premises at the time of a violent crime, I have a saying.....

A murder so violent is not a murder so silent.[/QUOTE]

Good saying! May be eerily true for the poor baby...

[Samiya]

I would think that if one stepfather met him up the path, then stepfather, accompanied by mom, sister and bro (inlaw?) (who would have come running from the house) would have immediately ushered him back into the car and straight back to Raleigh.

Hence....immediate car impounding on arrival....and subsequent outrage of stepfather who was probably not told that Michelle was murdered. LE would definitely not have told him that his stepson was under suspicion.

Something's bugging me....I have to look back for a post by RaisinCharlie......just something niggling away at me.

[Taximom]

I believe that Meredith Fisher works/worked at Lucky 32, but not sure which one as there are three.

Considering she has a bachelor's degree, she might work in the office rather than the wait staff. Her hours might then be more like 9-5. Did she wait to go on her lunch hour? Or did she leave from her home in Fuquay-Varina. How long would it take to drive to 5108 Birchleaf Dr. from her home or business?

There are 3 locations:
Lucky 32 Cary
7307 Tryon Road
Cary, North Carolina 27511
Lucky 32 Greensboro
1421 Westover Terrace
Greensboro, North Carolina 27408
Lucky 32 Winston-Salem
109 South Stratford Road
Winston-Salem, North Carolina 27104

I'll let someone else do map-work if they want. Maps and I=:sick:

(This is just to keep us busy, I guess!:D )

Edited to add that one of the things she hated according to her Myspace site was "bad tippers". There goes the office staff theory, eh?

[Samiya]

Am off to do the map work while I mork out what's bugging me, lol

That'll keep me busy :)

[Taximom]

Lucky's hours:

Lucky 32 is open for lunch, dinner and late night seven days a week.

Our Dining Room is open:
Sunday 10:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Sunday Brunch menu available until 3:00 p.m.
Monday 11:15 a.m. to 9:00 p.m.
Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday 11:15 a.m. to 10:00 p.m.
Friday & Saturday 11:15 a.m. to 11:00 p.m.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Great stuff, Taximom! Thanks, this SO helps with time frames in distance/travelling time (to work backwards from 1:30 when 911 got the call).

We may only GUESS when JY called her - and when she may have left. But then, we'd have to mapquest this; I have zero idea of locations, etc.

Possibilities of Meredith leaving work: swapped a shift? Either lunch or a split shift? (10 - 5 & 5 - midnight, for example?)

She may be in management: perhaps she understands how hard the servive staff work and supports them? As you suggest, Meredith may be in service herself - or supervisory role WITH service? Both good roles, brings in the money - she appears level-headed lass...

Lol.... your edited in TIP comments: ... maybe tips are pooled? Maybe she's a

[Taximom]

Am off to do the map work while I mork out what's bugging me, lol

That'll keep me busy :)Thanks, Samiya! My in-house restaurant needs to open for breakfast. ;) Catch y'all later.

[Taximom]

P.S. This is IF she worked at Lucky 32. She isn't real specific about the name of the company, but this is my guess.

Anyone from that area can certainly clear things up if there are other places around that could be called "Lucky's". TIA!

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Lucky's hours:

Friday & Saturday 11:15 a.m. to 11:00 p.m.

Ya lil sleuth, Taxi ... lol! Gosh, you'll know the name of my removal company before even find a house on your street :D.

So, let's say service staff are there from 9 to set-up, clean, prep and they're all out by ... 12:30 midnight?? That's circa 16 hours. 8 hour shifts would be, say from 9 - 5 ... & .... 5 - close??? There'd be a lunch break in there somewhere.

So... might we propose that either Meredith was on a split - or she whipped out during lunch?

[PolkSaladAnnie]

P.S. This is IF she worked at Lucky 32. She isn't real specific about the name of the company, but this is my guess.

Anyone from that area can certainly clear things up if there are other places around that could be called "Lucky's". TIA!

I'd go with your hunch, hon...

[Samiya]

Lucky 32 Cary
7307 Tryon Road
Cary, North Carolina 27511

Fastest route 11 minutes 49 seconds
6.86 miles

Lucky 32 Greensboro
1421 Westover Terrace
Greensboro, North Carolina 27408

fastest route: 1 hour 25 mins and 41 seconds
82.73 miles

Lucky 32 Winston-Salem
109 South Stratford Road
Winston-Salem, North Carolina 27104

Fastest route: 1 hour 50 minutes 38 seconds
108.43 miles

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Am off to do the map work while I mork out what's bugging me, lol

That'll keep me busy :)

Do you ever sleep? See ya later... I'm out soon, too. Don't like missing out on posters comments as they're always sooo good, but :eek: ... when I see the number of pages to catch up on, I want to faint. My time here is tightening... so I hope to catch REAL twists and new turns here before this ole Annie Gets Her Gun and shoots outta town :)

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hi Sami,

Really, I'm just blowing wind, although as the step father he will weild a lot of weight in decisions made about JY I would think. Do I sound too far off the wall? :D I don't even know how to check this guy out!

Scandi

Hi scandi. Judging from s-dad's immediate reactions, I feel GMc is pivotal in 'protecting' JY.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Kudos, Sami! THANK YOU! (says ole lazy-bones, here :D)

So, taking a chance, we might suggest Meredith is (was) at the Tyron Rd outlet? Seems v convenient to nip out for half an hour.

You're in Oz, I'm in Mid East and Taximom is (all over the place). Would be great to hear from a Birchleaf / surrounds resident...

Another thing that keeps popping back into my mind is this BUSINESS TRIP in VA. Verrrrry little has been mentioned. Certainly no one has come forward and backed up JY's story. In wonder if his colleagues attended the funeral?

Wonder where he worked before ChartOne (and how long that job lasted...?)

[Samiya]

And from Fuquay-Varina to 5108 Birchleaf Dr..this is without knowing Meredith's address though.

35 minutes 36 seconds.
21.09 miles

From Linda Fisher's house it is over 9 hours by car :-( I can't imagine being that far away from my daughter if an emergancy arose. Hugs for Linda.

[Taximom]

And from Fuquay-Varina to 5108 Birchleaf Dr..this is without knowing Meredith's address though.

35 minutes 36 seconds.
21.09 miles

From Linda Fisher's house it is over 9 hours by car :-( I can't imagine being that far away from my daughter if an emergancy arose. Hugs for Linda.

Nice work, Samiya. (I think I spelled your name correctly this time!)

Is the Cary location close to where Meredith lived in Fuquay-Varina?

[otto]

jilly:
I understand why they didn't allow Rusty in, it was a crime scene of murder, clear and simple.

In this case, the motive could have been robbery. How would they know if anything was missing if the occupant didn't look around to see if anything is missing?

IMHO, they said right away it wasn't robbery. How would they know?

Something told them there was nothing missing.

JMHO
fran

Now that I think about it, the sheriff said that even he had not been in the house when interviewed by Greta several days later because the crime scene investigation team was preserving the crime scene.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hey otto, fran ...

Just thinking here ... Meredith knew that house inside out, not only as a relative and regular visitor - but also because she was Cassie's full time carer for some time (which makes JY distancing Cassie that much harder to fathom..). Surely Meredith would be as good a judge of what was disturbed, misplaced, broken and what might be missing?

[IdahoMom]

Kudos, Sami! THANK YOU! (says ole lazy-bones, here :D)

So, taking a chance, we might suggest Meredith is (was) at the Tyron Rd outlet? Seems v convenient to nip out for half an hour.

You're in Oz, I'm in Mid East and Taximom is (all over the place). Would be great to hear from a Birchleaf / surrounds resident...

Another thing that keeps popping back into my mind is this BUSINESS TRIP in VA. Verrrrry little has been mentioned. Certainly no one has come forward and backed up JY's story. In wonder if his colleagues attended the funeral?

Wonder where he worked before ChartOne (and how long that job lasted...?)Hi there PSA-
I've been reading these threads and trying to keep up. Some time ago, it was said that JY lost his job. Has that been verified?

[Samiya]

Ahhh here it is...

"I met him in the yard and told him what happened," Gerald McIntyre, the stepfather, said from his home in Brevard.

When his wife's body was found, Jason Young was in Brevard visiting his mother, Patricia Young, and McIntyre after a business trip, Harrison said.

These two statements within one news report...one is incorrect. This is what's been buggin me for hours.

Now JY was NOT at his parents visiting at the time when MY's body was found. His own stepfather says so.

He was still onroute to their house or he would've been there when the call came through......and why was he not contacted via cell phone before his mother/stepfather notified? JY is after all legal next of kin. Why was a message not left for him to contact LE urgently?

Around 1:23 - 1:30pm body found by Meredith
911 call lasted more than 5 minutes (recording is edited remember).
EMS dispatched probably as soon as Meredith said "I think my sister is dead" because the address would have on screen at 911 office.
No idea how far away they had to come from.
Call the routed to Sheriff's dept and call receiver states to Brent that Sheriff is already onroute....uncertain what he is about to walk into. All he knows is that a person may be deceased at a residence.
Preliminary observations of crime scene begin on arrival of Sheriff at house. Including....

Arrival of Crime Scene Investigators.
Securing of crime scene.
Ascertaining that the perp was not still on site although obviously long gone from area.
Prelim 'interview' of Meredith to ascertain what she knows, possible discussions with Cassidy and one of the top priorities would have been to have Cassidy removed and secured away from the premises.
Formal Positive ID of Michelle and determination that she was deceased (pronouncement of actual death).
The awaiting of the Coroner/Medical Officer
Body positioning and crime scene photographs. Samples for DNA etc.
(Somewhere in all of this would've been the removal of Meredith from the site....Also unknown is whether they had her do a walkthrough of the scene during her description of what she found when she entered the house.)


Now, all that takes time......and he still isn't at mom's house? I think the important part missing is the location/address of this business meeting.

[Samiya]

Nice work, Samiya. (I think I spelled your name correctly this time!)

Is the Cary location close to where Meredith lived in Fuquay-Varina?Checking for you now :)

[Samiya]

7307 Tryon Rd Cary to Fuquay-Varina

34 minutes 51 seconds
22.70 miles

edited to add that it could be less than that time and mileage. Knowing her actual zip code would help as there are numerous for F-V area. The zip code I used was 27526

[otto]

Hey otto, fran ...

Just thinking here ... Meredith knew that house inside out, not only as a relative and regular visitor - but also because she was Cassie's full time carer for some time (which makes JY distancing Cassie that much harder to fathom..). Surely Meredith would be as good a judge of what was disturbed, misplaced, broken and what might be missing?

I think you're right but I do think that the homeowner also has to do a walkthrough to give the final word, especially if there is an insurance claim. Meredith could give an overall impression, but jewelery or any things like new electronics, CDs and so on would not necessarily be notice by Meredith.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hi there PSA-
I've been reading these threads and trying to keep up. Some time ago, it was said that JY lost his job. Has that been verified?


Hi IdahoMom! YES!! I remember reading that ... I think I wondered too - certainly SPECULATED thatb this may be the case. There's been no word from ChartOne.

Short of asking ChartOne directly or calling for JY - I really wouldn't know. Understandbaly he'd be given compassionate leave. Would you know the general period of compassionate leave in these circustances in US? Sure, it'll vary from state to state, business to business - but average time for average folk?

[Samiya]

If he was a suspect at the time of his arrival back to Raleigh......which is stated on the nontestimonial order, they will not take him through until he is 'cleared' because they'll give him no chance to touch or 'accidently shift with is feet' anything at the crimescene.

Edited to add: I don't see him returning to the scene of crime in a hurry

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I think you're right but I do think that the homeowner also has to do a walkthrough to give the final word, especially if there is an insurance claim. Meredith could give an overall impression, but jewelery or any things like new electronics, CDs and so on would not necessarily be notice by Meredith.


Ooops, I forgot about the ins claim part - and I also don't THINK the police would simply accept Meredith's version of what may/may not be missing because at that stage - they still had a lot of eliminating to do.

However, I'd wager, otto, that they accepted a 'fair outline' of what she told them.

Could the OBJECT Meredith went to collect, the fax, be missing? They had to have verified her story. Did they locate anything? Jason said FAX to Mdith and in turn, Mdith handed over that same item in a statement of sorts. Jasonites tell us PRINT OUT. Maybe HE activated some print-out from whereever he was. If his Lap top impounded - would show if he sent a fax per remote (or whatever ... etc)

[Samiya]

Bed time for me...nice and 'early' for a change, lol.....12:44am

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Bed time for me...nice and 'early' for a change, lol.....12:44am

'night! Don't those flies bite :D Thanks again, Sami ....

[otto]

Hi IdahoMom! YES!! I remember reading that ... I think I wondered too - certainly SPECULATED thatb this may be the case. There's been no word from ChartOne.

Short of asking ChartOne directly or calling for JY - I really wouldn't know. Understandbaly he'd be given compassionate leave. Would you know the general period of compassionate leave in these circustances in US? Sure, it'll vary from state to state, business to business - but average time for average folk?

Where I work we have 5 days for the death of a near relative, which I think would include immediate family. On the other hand, there are ways to extend this with other types of leave. One guy I know took a stress leave to extend the time after his mom passed away.

If Jason was employed for only for 3 months, he may still have been on some sort of probationary contract and I have no idea if that would effect the types of leaves he would be eligible for. I don't think that probationary contracts in my job are eligible for extended leaves. If the leave time was not acceptable, he may have simply given notice. It would be really interesting if Jason had recently completed the probationary time and was eligible for leaves ... and even more interesting if his review was unsatisfactory.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

It would be really interesting if Jason had recently completed the probationary time and was eligible for leaves ... and even more interesting if his review was unsatisfactory.

Pssst: maybe he didn't have an official busines meeting :silenced:

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Thanks, otto. Gosh, I couln't imagine 5 days (touch wood - trust in God) if my spouse passed away. I'd need minimum 10 working days just to get the strength to go outside my DOOR!

So - is it reasonable to suggest that, due to a baby daughter and his pregnant wife murdered, an extended period to cover the whole gamut of all that's involved with LE, etc, may be granted? Even if the employee accepted unpaid leave for an additional period of time?

3 months ... that's not long ... wonder where he was before?

[Masissy]

Oh dear, I am so behind. Hubby hates for me to be on this site when I am at home (so I have to do it at work ;) ). Anything of significance? Have they arrested JY? What is taking so long?

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Ahhh here it is...

"I met him in the yard and told him what happened," Gerald McIntyre, the stepfather, said from his home in Brevard.

When his wife's body was found, Jason Young was in Brevard visiting his mother, Patricia Young, and McIntyre after a business trip, Harrison said.

These two statements within one news report...one is incorrect. This is what's been buggin me for hours.

Now JY was NOT at his parents visiting at the time when MY's body was found. His own stepfather says so.

He was still onroute to their house or he would've been there when the call came through......and why was he not contacted via cell phone before his mother/stepfather notified? JY is after all legal next of kin. Why was a message not left for him to contact LE urgently?
Around 1:23 - 1:30pm body found by Meredith
911 call lasted more than 5 minutes (recording is edited remember).
EMS dispatched probably as soon as Meredith said "I think my sister is dead" because the address would have on screen at 911 office.
No idea how far away they had to come from.
Call the routed to Sheriff's dept and call receiver states to Brent that Sheriff is already onroute....uncertain what he is about to walk into. All he knows is that a person may be deceased at a residence.
Preliminary observations of crime scene begin on arrival of Sheriff at house. Including....

Arrival of Crime Scene Investigators.
Securing of crime scene.
Ascertaining that the perp was not still on site although obviously long gone from area.
Prelim 'interview' of Meredith to ascertain what she knows, possible discussions with Cassidy and one of the top priorities would have been to have Cassidy removed and secured away from the premises.
Formal Positive ID of Michelle and determination that she was deceased (pronouncement of actual death).
The awaiting of the Coroner/Medical Officer
Body positioning and crime scene photographs. Samples for DNA etc.
(Somewhere in all of this would've been the removal of Meredith from the site....Also unknown is whether they had her do a walkthrough of the scene during her description of what she found when she entered the house.)


Now, all that takes time......and he still isn't at mom's house? I think the important part missing is the location/address of this business meeting.


That's exactly the caveat below, copied and pasted from your text, Sami!

He was still onroute to their house or he would've been there when the call came through......and why was he not contacted via cell phone before his mother/stepfather notified? JY is after all legal next of kin. Why was a message not left for him to contact LE urgently?


We wondered (on circa the first MY thread) if he had left his