Mystery Woman "C"

[Dr. Doogie]

In an effort to put all posts about the new Mystery Woman "C" in one place, I have created a new seperate thread for our research and discussion about her.

[RobinH]

Thanks Doogie, this will definately make it easier for me. Are you going to call the number I sent you in a PM yesterday?

[Annasmom]

In an effort to put all posts about the new Mystery Woman "C" in one place, I have created a new seperate thread for our research and discussion about her. Doogie, can the stuff about her on the other threads be moved, or does it have to stay where it is? If it can't be moved, maybe we can cross-reference or something, at least to the pictures.

[Dr. Doogie]

I can cut and paste the major posts to here (including the links to the pictures). I will do that this evening.

[Dr. Doogie]

"As a result of the various MySpace sites that have been posted, we have been contacted by someone who thinks that her acquaintance may be Anna. I can only speak in generalities at this point due to our ongoing investigation, but I can say the following:

1) The woman strongly resembles the age-progression of Anna.

2) The woman's listed birthday is within seven months of Anna's.

3) The woman knows that she is adopted by her step-father, but suspects that her mother is also not her birth-mother. She does not resemble anyone else in her family.

4) She has no memories (or childhood pictures) of five or before.

5) When showed Anna's childhood pictures without an explaination, her reaction was "Where did you get pictures of me as child?"

[Dr. Doogie]

"A couple of other quick notes:

1) The woman's birth certificate has notable gaps in information that raises the question of its authenticity. (Actually, it turns out that no birth certificate was officially on file - the incomplete BC was as a replacement for ther non-existant one.)

2) The woman's current picture shows birthmarks on her face that seem to exactly correspond with pictures of Anna as a child and her birthmarks."

[Dr. Doogie]

"I received a phone call from the intermediary person yesterday. She personally went to the public library and found a birth announcement in their local newspaper from 1967 for the Anna look-alike. The newspaper there or back then did not print the name of the child, only the name of the father or parents. She was told some time ago her fathers first name. The newspaper showed his first name along with a last name that has shown up in the look-alike and her siblings searches.

So we have confirmed that a person with the same name as the father had a baby girl at the time the look-alike was born.
We have a very slim chance that this woman is Anna. We may still consider a DNA on this person since the pros have heavily outweighed the cons..."

[Dr. Doogie]

"I received a phone call today from the Anna "look-alike". This is the first direct contact that we have had with this woman.

There were a couple of important clarifications and revelations as a result of the phone call. One is that the name of the man who she knows as her birthfather matches the name of the birth announcement that SherlockJr mentioned. This does make it unlikely that this woman is Anna.

However, the other revelation is that the state records bureau where she lives has no record of her birth at all. The birth certificate that contains incomplete information was issued by the state recently because she needed a birth certificate and she did not have all of the details of her birth. It is possible that she was born in a different state than she believes she was and that state would have the records, but this does not fit with anything that she knows about her history. This is very curious and causes me to not dismiss the possibility that she may still be Anna.

One other interesting thing about her name is that her first name is a variation of "Christian" and her middle name is a variation of "Anna". I can think of no logical reason that an abductor would do this purposely, so it probably is nothing more than one more amazing coincidence in a case full of them. However, it is one heck of a coincidence."

[Dr. Doogie]

Edited by Moderator by request

[Gina_M]

Thanks, Doogie, for creating a new thread for C. Here is something I thought of today when reading about the photos, and how C resembles Anna's age progression but we cannot find any young photos of C. Since artists are able to do age progressions, are they also able to do age re-gressions? i.e. take a photo of C and age-regress it to see what she may have looked like when she was younger.

[RobinH]

I just wanted to let you all know that I saw C last night and talked with her for a long time. She does not think that she is Anna, however because of her dysfunctional family and upbringing, the similarities between the 2 pictures, and other things in her mind that may not make sense, she is willing to do a DNA to let herself and Annasfamily know for sure. She said "I believe that there is a 1% chance that I am Anna, but poor Annasmom, anyone who could do this to such a loving mom deserves punishment" She actually would love to be Anna, but does not believe that she is. She does not contribute to WS 1. because she does not have a computer, and 2. because she is frightened. She is now having dreams (when she is able to sleep). I do copy some of the posts and give them to her which she appreciates a great deal, so if anyone has anything encouraging to say to C, I will be seeing her agian tonight. We have all taken the time to try and understand how Annasmom and her family feel, I would like to also take the time to understand how C feels with this picture of a missing child being given to her that looks just like herself. C does not know what to think right now, and maybe with our posts we can help her through this trying time as well as Annasmom and family.

[Jodibug]

Please tell C that I believe she is a very strong and courageous woman. She is also very caring, to want to help out Annasmom in this way.

Even if she is not Anna, I hope that she will someday have all the answers she is looking for and that she will come to terms with her past, whatever that may be.

[Annasbro]

Yes, thank you Robin and C for putting yourselves out there and helping the investigation. Regardless of the outcome, these turn of events has renewed my hope that someday I may stand face to face with my sister again. I had resigned myself to accepting that she was probably not alive. It is quite remarkable how close we are to a match. If nothing else maybe the forum can learn from the whole sequence of events. There has been a revitalized interest from the authorities - amazing! It also makes those of us in Anna's family think - what would we do if we were reunited with her after all of these years and after she had grown up with her abductors or someone associated with them?

All I can say is love, hope, and support. The love had never wavered, the hope is for a happy life given a new awareness of the past, the support is knowing that family is forever, we are still here and we are still searching.

[Annasmom]

Yes, thank you Robin and C for putting yourselves out there and helping the investigation. Regardless of the outcome, these turn of events has renewed my hope that someday I may stand face to face with my sister again. I had resigned myself to accepting that she was probably not alive. It is quite remarkable how close we are to a match. If nothing else maybe the forum can learn from the whole sequence of events. There has been a revitalized interest from the authorities - amazing! It also makes those of us in Anna's family think - what would we do if we were reunited with her after all of these years and after she had grwon up with her abductors or someone associated with them?

All I can say is love, hope, and support. The love had never wavered, the hope is for a happy life given a new awareness of the past, the support is knowing that family is forever, we are still here and we are still searching.
Now all of you know why I have never once thought of myself as "poor me". Annasbro and his brother are my blessings.

[LinasK]

So we have confirmed that a person with the same name as the father had a baby girl at the time the look-alike was born.

No, what you have is a birth announcement placed in the paper by the parents/father or kidnappers with the date they wanted to establish her identity. This is NO proof of C's actual date of birth in a hospital or where she was born.

[Dr. Doogie]

No, what you have is a birth announcement placed in the paper by the parents/father or kidnappers with the date they wanted to establish her identity. This is NO proof of C's actual date of birth in a hospital or where she was born.
True.

[LinasK]

True.
That's why I stated on the other thread that I think this birth announcement is a so-what red herring. Anyone could send in the info on the birth announcement, no proof is required. I think it was designed to throw people off C's track and give her the parent's last name. That's all it is an "announcement" not an actual birth certificate that is notarized.

I think C is legit, she didn't come to us, she was found.

[RobinH]

That's why I stated on the other thread that I think this birth announcement is a so-what red herring. Anyone could send in the info on the birth announcement, no proof is required. I think it was designed to throw people off C's track and give her the parent's last name. That's all it is an "announcement" not an actual birth certificate that is notarized.

I think C is legit, she didn't come to us, she was found.
LinasK, you are right, C is legit, she did not ask for her life to be disrupted as it has been, however, the birth announcement is still a BIG question, because it was placed in the paper BEFORE Anna was born. I would find it very hard to believe that Anna's abduction was planned before she was even born.

[MagicRose99]

LinasK, you are right, C is legit, she did not ask for her life to be disrupted as it has been, however, the birth announcement is still a BIG question, because it was placed in the paper BEFORE Anna was born. I would find it very hard to believe that Anna's abduction was planned before she was even born.
If you knew the two Georges... ANYTHING is possible!

[Dr. Doogie]

I will say this: the detective is fully aware of the birth announcement, yet is still eager to explore this, so he also is not putting too much stock in it.

[Dr. Doogie]

In the past, we have on occasion had to take certain aspects of this case "off-forum" to protect privacy of certain individuals or to not expose certain things that were being explored. You good folks at WS have been understanding and we have brought you back up to speed as soon as we can. Well, we are running into one of those periods.

The detective with the SMC Sheriffs Department has requested that we refrain from posting any additional information about C on the forum for the time being. This is in an effort to protect any case that may arise from the results of DNA test. There may be some information that we can pass along, but since we have been praying for greater LE involvement, it would be wise to follow their advice at this point.

Rest assured that anything that we can safely post will be posted, but all posts will need to be reviewed thoroughly before we put it up here. And believe me, it is going to kill me to be so excited without having the ability to share everything with you guys. I will do what I can to keep you informed and thank you for your understanding.

[SherlockJr]

The detective with the SMC Sheriffs Department has requested that we refrain from posting any additional information about C on the forum for the time being. This is in an effort to protect any case that may arise from the results of DNA test. There may be some information that we can pass along, but since we have been praying for greater LE involvement, it would be wise to follow their advice at this point.
I can remember about a year ago, this same thing happened where a family member who was posting about her sister's murder was advised by law enforcement to stop posting information also. LOL, I just can't remember the name of the thread. :waitasec:

[annemc2]

Understood. Thanks, Doogie, for keeping us updated about possibly not being updated. :crazy:

In the meantime, I will keep sending positive thoughts to everyone involved!

[gardenmom]

Understood. God Bless all involved.

[MagicRose99]

I can remember about a year ago, this same thing happened where a family member who was posting about her sister's murder was advised by law enforcement to stop posting information also. LOL, I just can't remember the name of the thread. :waitasec:
Wasn't it "upallnight"?

Read and understood Doogie!

[LisainWV]

I thought this was mentioned somewhere else.... Is it possible that the birth announcement was for another child that died and Anna was a "replacement" (sorry that sounds so cold) for the child? Anyone do any digging on obits of very young children for the time period?

[Annasmom]

I thought this was mentioned somewhere else.... Is it possible that the birth announcement was for another child that died and Anna was a "replacement" (sorry that sounds so cold) for the child? Anyone do any digging on obits of very young children for the time period?LisainWV, the birth announcement was found in a newspaper published some months before Anna was born. We really don't know quite what to make of it unless it is legitimate, which it may be.

[Jodibug]

I remember the "upallnight" thread. I search for it every couple of weeks to see if there has been any news posted (nope!).

I hope this one doesn't remain "off forum" for that long!

We know that you will tell us what you can, when you can, Dr. Doogie!

I am praying for all those involved. Good luck!

[SherlockJr]

I remember the "upallnight" thread. I search for it every couple of weeks to see if there has been any news posted (nope!).

I hope this one doesn't remain "off forum" for that long!

We know that you will tell us what you can, when you can, Dr. Doogie!

I am praying for all those involved. Good luck!
MagicRose and Jodibug, I do think it was "UPALLNIGHT" sister's thread. I was always curious what ever happened in that case also.

[GraceBlue]

Thinking about C on her wedding day...

[RobinH]

I had breakfast with C this morning she asked me to "Thank everyone for their kind thoughts and well wishes".

[Shadow205]

MagicRose and Jodibug, I do think it was "UPALLNIGHT" sister's thread. I was always curious what ever happened in that case also.
In my signature the is a link under "Jusitce For Jane" I don't remember now if that goes to the original thread or the later one. Upallnite does not post at WS's any longer but I am still able to contact her. The last time that I spoke with her there was nothing new to report on her sister Jane's case.
There was major progress made in the last year in the case though and yes she was advised by LE not to discuss the case here.

[itsreenw]

MagicRose and Jodibug, I do think it was "UPALLNIGHT" sister's thread. I was always curious what ever happened in that case also.Upallnight is no longer on WS.
There are no new developments in that case.

[Shadow205]

Upallnight is no longer on WS.
There are no new developments in that case.
Isn't that what I just said? LOL

[Annasmom]

I hope this one doesn't remain "off forum" for that long!
We know that you will tell us what you can, when you can, Dr. Doogie!
I am praying for all those involved. Good luck! Thank you, Jodibug. Just to clarify, we were only asked not to post about LE activity. We are glad that they are involved. Also, we may have a newer age-enhanced picture of Anna before too long, since the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children asked for more recent family photographs. Because the passport office came through, we were also able to give them a front-facing picture of Anna's father, which they have never had before.

[Dr. Doogie]

This I can share: we have been looking at uncovering a potential direct link between C and the two Georges. Our lead did not pan out. Back to the drawing board...

[Jodibug]

This I can share: we have been looking at uncovering a potential direct link between C and the two Georges. Our lead did not pan out. Back to the drawing board...


Does this mean that C is no longer a possible match, or only that you need to find another way to link her?

Couldn't she have been kidnapped by someone other than the two G's? (ie: couple in the car)

I'm sorry you've had a set back.



Annasmom- That's great news that you have the passport photo. I hope that really helps with a new age-progression pic! Still praying for you!

[Dr. Doogie]

Does this mean that C is no longer a possible match, or only that you need to find another way to link her?

Couldn't she have been kidnapped by someone other than the two G's? (ie: couple in the car)
No, C is definitely still in the picture. It was just that we had a potential means of linking C to the two Georges, but it turned out to not be true. Had it been true, then it would have solidified the chances that C is Anna. This does not rule her out at all.

I believe that the evidence points toward Anna physically being abducted by "the couple in the car". It remains to be seen if Waters and Brody had any involvement. (I suspect that they did, but cannot prove it.)

[Jodibug]

Good luck tomorrow! I hope you are able to post something after your meeting tomorrow. I'll be checking the forum all day for updates!

[Dr. Doogie]

We are looking into a paperwork trail for a significant event that occured in the childhood of C. If we can discover a timeframe for when this event occured, it will help bolster or disprove that C is Anna (if it occured at age 4 or earlier, then C is not Anna. If it occured at 5 or later, then she still may be Anna).

Because of the nature of this event, I am specifically not detailing it to protect C's privacy. She only has the vaguest recollection of it and is unsure of how old she was when it occured. We have a source working on getting information who is in an excellent position to accomplish the task, so we should have some answers to this specific question soon.

[mysteriew]

We are looking into a paperwork trail for a significant event that occured in the childhood of C. If we can discover a timeframe for when this event occured, it will help bolster or disprove that C is Anna (if it occured at age 4 or earlier, then C is not Anna. If it occured at 5 or later, then she still may be Anna).

Because of the nature of this event, I am specifically not detailing it to protect C's privacy. She only has the vaguest recollection of it and is unsure of how old she was when it occured. We have a source working on getting information who is in an excellent position to accomplish the task, so we should have some answers to this specific question soon.

DrD, I just have a caution. You can't always go by stated age in kids. Kids can vary widely in their size at that age, and also in their school progress. If someone wanted to fudge the age of a child by a year or so, they could likely get by with it. For instance if you wanted to say a 5 year old was actually 4 or 6, most likely you could get by with it.

[Dr. Doogie]

DrD, I just have a caution. You can't always go by stated age in kids. Kids can vary widely in their size at that age, and also in their school progress. If someone wanted to fudge the age of a child by a year or so, they could likely get by with it. For instance if you wanted to say a 5 year old was actually 4 or 6, most likely you could get by with it.
What we are looking into would have a year associated with it. If it occured in 1972 or earlier, that would rule out C. If it occured later, then the possibility remains that she could be Anna.

[gardenmom]

What we are looking into would have a year associated with it. If it occured in 1972 or earlier, that would rule out C. If it occured later, then the possibility remains that she could be Anna.
I'm going to take a guess that it was a surgery. Maybe she had her tonsils out or something similar.

[kyresearcher]

Gardenmom, that is exactaly what I was thinking, but we may both be wrong. :)

[WhiteWolf]

3) The woman knows that she is adopted by her step-father, but suspects that her mother is also not her birth-mother. She does not resemble anyone else in her family.
........

Did the birth announcement have C's current mother's first name on it, but a different last name (bio dad's last name)?


Has C's bio dad been found and talked to?

Reason I'm wondering is what if C's current mother and the man named as her bio dad didn't place the birth announcement in the paper. Suppose C's current mother (or whoever may have taken C) searched the birth announcements and used someone else's birth announcement as their own?

[Dr. Doogie]

Did the birth announcement have C's current mother's first name on it, but a different last name (bio dad's last name)? Has C's bio dad been found and talked to?The announcement was listed as "Mr. and Mrs. (Father's name)", so it did not specifically list the mothers first name. The "father" has not been contacted (nor has the "mother") since we do not know if they were involved in a crime. LE will contact them at some point (if a DNA test were to show C is Anna), but I do not want to "tip them off" if they are involved and I certainly do not want to involve them if they are innocent of any crime.

[Jodibug]

Dr. Doogie- is there a DNA test scheduled for "C"?


I've been anxiously awaiting an update on "C"!

[Dr. Doogie]

[QUOTE=Jodibug]Dr. Doogie- is there a DNA test scheduled for "C"?
QUOTE]

Because LE has requested that certain details of their involvement be kept "off forum", I cannot answer that specific question. I will say that they are looking into all avenues concerning C and other possible solutions in this case. I will update you on those developments as I can.

[Jodibug]

I will update you on those developments as I can.


Thanks! Hope I wasn't being a pain!

[Dr. Doogie]

We are looking into a paperwork trail for a significant event that occured in the childhood of C. If we can discover a timeframe for when this event occured, it will help bolster or disprove that C is Anna (if it occured at age 4 or earlier, then C is not Anna. If it occured at 5 or later, then she still may be Anna).

Because of the nature of this event, I am specifically not detailing it to protect C's privacy. She only has the vaguest recollection of it and is unsure of how old she was when it occured. We have a source working on getting information who is in an excellent position to accomplish the task, so we should have some answers to this specific question soon.
"C" listened to the "Missing Pieces" broadcast on Tuesday and was inspired to research the above-mentioned event herself. LE cannot do this research presently because it would require a search warrant and not enough "provable" evidence exists to justify a court order. However, "C", as the person directly involved, should be able to access her files herself.

If this event occured prior to January 1973, then "C" is not Anna. If it occured after that date, then the possibility that "C" is Anna remains alive.

Kudos to "C" for her efforts! The possibilty that she could be Anna is obviously a frightful thought, yet she has set aside that fear in the search for the truth. Well done!

[SherlockJr]

Comparing the modified age progression in the vital statistic thread to the Anna look-a-like "C", the mole is not in the same area on the cheek.

[TIPPY1116]

I am new to this... i found this missing persons report... for a little boy.. Turns out his mother was kidnapped around 1973-1975.... they show a picture of her at the bottom of the article... resembles anna... but i am not to sure.. i don't know how to make the pictures larger.... also i have read somewhere on here anna's mothers name was pronounced michael... that is the name of this mystery girls son.... she has never been identified.... i am new to this and it probably is nothing... but worth a shot.. sorry if i mislead anyone. i figured dr. doogie would be able to check this out.. lol.

To Anna's mom... i am soo sorry.. i have a 5 year old daughter.. if anything ever happened to her i don't think i would have the strength to go on.. ur an amazing woman. good luck.



http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hughes_michael.html

[annemc2]

Good thinking, Tippy, and welcome to WS! It appears you've stumbled upon the infamous "Sharon Marshall" case, on which there are several threads here. The current one is listed under cold cases. There is a book by Matt Birkbeck called "A Beautiful Child" that chronicles the saga and there are many people still actively searching for "Sharon's" true identity. Keep up the great sleuthing!

[TIPPY1116]

I AM SORRY... I AM NEW TO THIS... WOW.... YOU GUYS ARE REALLY ON TOP OF THINGS... ITS AMAZING... GOOD JOB... MAYBE NEXT TIME I WILL HAVE SOME USEFUL INFO. :doh:

[MagicRose99]

Actually, if I'm not mistaken... it was Sharon Marshall's case which inspired Doogie to look for Anna... including trying to match Sharon and Anna! So good sluething Tippy!

[Annasmom]

To Anna's mom... i am soo sorry.. i have a 5 year old daughter.. if anything ever happened to her i don't think i would have the strength to go on.. ur an amazing woman. good luck.
Thank you, Tippy. I am really very un-amazing, but I am grateful for this forum and all the sleuthers out there.

[Annasbro]

On the mole on the cheek comparison: As a lot of you probably know, and as I noticed pretty quickly, the aged progression of Anna shows the mole on the wrong cheek. Annasmom confirmed this. As far as the placement as far as zone, I haven't looked at that as closely

[Annasbro]

Sherlock -Sorry - didn't see the updated picture on the vital stats. page. Now it all makes sense!

[julianne]

I've been checking this thread religiously - -I'm just dying to find out any new updates or info on "C". I know that there are certain things that can't be revealed or discussed at this time----just wanted to say that I am eagerly anticipating any news....

[Dr. Doogie]

The changes to the new age-progression seem very subtle (except for the placement of the mole). Nothing in the new picture seems to eliminate "C" as a viable possibility, IMHO.

[Dr. Doogie]

I've been checking this thread religiously - -I'm just dying to find out any new updates or info on "C". I know that there are certain things that can't be revealed or discussed at this time----just wanted to say that I am eagerly anticipating any news....Ain't we all... :D

[Dr. Doogie]

Actually, there are some tidbits that can be revealed:

*Both Anna and C have a small patch of scarring from chicken pox on their face. The exact placement of Anna's scarring is unclear.

*C had a relatively rare oral surgery performed at about age eight. Annasmom had the same surgery at about the same age. It is possible that the reason for the surgery is a genetic trait passed from mother to child.

*C recently recalled a childhood memory of riding a horse with people that were not her family. At first, this did not match up with any memories that Annasmom had. However, when recently rereading her diary from the "bus trip" that the family took prior to Anna's disappearance, Annasmom discovered an entry mentioning how Anna had riden a horse with some friends of the family. (BTW, so some of you won't have to reread a thousand posts to find out about the "bus trip": the family converted an old school bus into an RV and travelled cross-country for several months.)

Obviously, none of this is conclusive, but it does provide additional evidence that we may be heading in the right direction.

[InterestedNHelping]

Dr Doogie,


Do we get an estimated time frame of when this info might be revealed? is this a days, weeks or months process? Yes, I am curious too! LOL...been wondering... interesting horse story too! :-)

[Dr. Doogie]

Dr Doogie,


Do we get an estimated time frame of when this info might be revealed? is this a days, weeks or months process?Certainly weeks and probably months. There are certain things that LE want to examine before information can be revealed. This is obviously a difficult time for both C and Anna's family, but the possibility of reuniting a family is worth the wait.

[InterestedNHelping]

Well spoken! I understand that all too well.

Many blessings to all involved. Courage and understanding are amazing when people truly care.

[Jodibug]

Wow! I hadn't read this forum in a few days and I am so excited to read this new info!

I will be anxiously awaiting more news about "C"!!!

:dance:

[Medusa]

I don't contribute much as I don't have much to add, but, I have read every word and Anna's case has so touched me. I have a daughter and can't imagine what Annasmom and family have went through. That said, I pray about this case daily, Anna is on my prayer candle and I so hope that there is a reunion in site.

[Shadow205]

We are looking into a paperwork trail for a significant event that occured in the childhood of C. If we can discover a timeframe for when this event occured, it will help bolster or disprove that C is Anna (if it occured at age 4 or earlier, then C is not Anna. If it occured at 5 or later, then she still may be Anna).

Because of the nature of this event, I am specifically not detailing it to protect C's privacy. She only has the vaguest recollection of it and is unsure of how old she was when it occured. We have a source working on getting information who is in an excellent position to accomplish the task, so we should have some answers to this specific question soon.Was this the oral surgery?

[Dr. Doogie]

Was this the oral surgery?No, it involved a legal issue. The incident appears to have occured some time after 1973, so the possibility that C is Anna remains.

[Tuffy101]

Dr.Doggie I searched all day Yesterday and found this photo ...of Gloria....I am now searching for Goodman.....have you read these threads....the photo to conpair with Sharon.....?????

[Dr. Doogie]

Dr.Doggie I searched all day Yesterday and found this photo ...of Gloria....I am now searching for Goodman.....have you read these threads....the photo to conpair with Sharon.....?????
Huh? I am not following your question.

[akgal]

If she's willing to go through all this to find out if she's Anna, why doesn't she just take a dna test and compare it to Anna's mom?

[MagicRose99]

Dr. Doogie- is there a DNA test scheduled for "C"?
Because LE has requested that certain details of their involvement be kept "off forum", I cannot answer that specific question. I will say that they are looking into all avenues concerning C and other possible solutions in this case. I will update you on those developments as I can.Reposting in answer to above question...

[Jodibug]

If she's willing to go through all this to find out if she's Anna, why doesn't she just take a dna test and compare it to Anna's mom?


Who says she isn't willing? Real life isn't like CSI, and DNA comparisons aren't completed in 60 mins or less.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens with "C".


ETA: I have no knowledge of whether or not a DNA sample has been, or is scheduled to be taken from "C". However, if they are doing a test, it will take awhile to come back.

If you pay for the test out of pocket, the expected turn around time is 4-6 weeks.

Since Doogie said that LE is involved, I would expect the samples to be processed in a LE lab, which is often quite backlogged and can take several months.

[Tuffy101]

Huh? I am not following your question.In conpairing Photos of Sharon Marshall and Gloria Jean.....and I have many photo web cam taken from Court TV about Sharon Marshall Story. and put up a page for Sharon........Sorry I did not say that right!

[MagicRose99]

In conpairing Photos of Sharon Marshall and Gloria Jean.....and I have many photo web cam taken from Court TV about Sharon Marshall Story. and put up a page for Sharon........Sorry I did not say that right!
Tuffy, you may want to read thru this forum... as we've stated, Sharon Marshall has been ruled out as being a possible link to Anna. Sharon is actually what started Doogie on his quest in looking for Anna.

There is a lot of information in this forum on Anna and what, to date, has been done and looked into and what direction(s) we may be able to go in search of.

[Tuffy101]

I got that thank you.....I read the info ......... after I posted that photo and I see why.... they do resemble one another.....thank you.....I am sure that most are as I am wanting to know answers to the Sharon Marshall Story......Forgive my jumping in I know all of you at WS have been working on this for along time....and must get some what irrated at a dummmm questions....the research @ WS and the info ....requires much reading....at the dillagent work that has gone on concerning all these Beautiful Children...
Sorry,again.....the pain that these familys are in...doing something no matter how small......may help.....

[akgal]

Who says she isn't willing? Real life isn't like CSI, and DNA comparisons aren't completed in 60 mins or less.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens with "C".


ETA: I have no knowledge of whether or not a DNA sample has been, or is scheduled to be taken from "C". However, if they are doing a test, it will take awhile to come back.

If you pay for the test out of pocket, the expected turn around time is 4-6 weeks.

Since Doogie said that LE is involved, I would expect the samples to be processed in a LE lab, which is often quite backlogged and can take several months.

Nobody was trying to compare this to CSI, but people are trying to figure out if the mole on one is the same as the mole on another and trying to figure out if she had the same dental surgery as Anna's mom. All I'm saying is if she is willing to have her life, face and medical (dental) records scrutinized by a bunch of strangers on an internet forum, why wouldn't she just give a DNA sample. And as the poster before you answered quite nicely that there were things not allowed to be posted on the forum, maybe this has happened. So thankyou for that answer, and I didn't need the smart ass comment from you, Jodibug.

[MagicRose99]

Nobody was trying to compare this to CSI, but people are trying to figure out if the mole on one is the same as the mole on another and trying to figure out if she had the same dental surgery as Anna's mom. All I'm saying is if she is willing to have her life, face and medical (dental) records scrutinized by a bunch of strangers on an internet forum, why wouldn't she just give a DNA sample. And as the poster before you answered quite nicely that there were things not allowed to be posted on the forum, maybe this has happened. So thankyou for that answer, and I didn't need the smart ass comment from you, Jodibug.
Because LE has it's hands in this particular aspect of the case, those in the "know" CANNOT divulge any info INCLUDING whether or not C has submitted DNA for testing.

Nowhere in this thread has it been stated that C refused to have DNA testing done. Until there is a resolution one way or another we will not learn whether or not this has been done.

[Dr. Doogie]

Things are a bit stressful while we wait for LE to complete their investigation. Please understand that every reasonable avenue is being looked into and that we hope to have some partial answers soon. If I could speak more freely, then we probably could have avoided any hurt feelings on the subject, but rest assured, a definitive answer about C is being sought.

[Annasmom]

Nobody was trying to compare this to CSI, but people are trying to figure out if the mole on one is the same as the mole on another and trying to figure out if she had the same dental surgery as Anna's mom. All I'm saying is if she is willing to have her life, face and medical (dental) records scrutinized by a bunch of strangers on an internet forum, why wouldn't she just give a DNA sample. And as the poster before you answered quite nicely that there were things not allowed to be posted on the forum, maybe this has happened. So thankyou for that answer, and I didn't need the smart ass comment from you, Jodibug.AKgal: The sheriff's office has specifically asked us not to discuss DNA on the forum at this point. It is hard to wait. The moles and the dental surgery are similar, as are other things which make C worth investigating, but these are of course not conclusive. It really helps me if everybody is nice to each other here. Thank you for your post.

[LinasK]

Anna'sMom, I wish you luck! I sincerely hope for you and am anxiously awaiting to hear that she's the one! I wish you many years to regain time with your lost daughter.

[Cubby]

LinasK, you are right, C is legit, she did not ask for her life to be disrupted as it has been, however, the birth announcement is still a BIG question, because it was placed in the paper BEFORE Anna was born. I would find it very hard to believe that Anna's abduction was planned before she was even born.
Or someone could have read an old newspaper and chosen to use that info.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I thought this was mentioned somewhere else.... Is it possible that the birth announcement was for another child that died and Anna was a "replacement" (sorry that sounds so cold) for the child? Anyone do any digging on obits of very young children for the time period?

That was my first thought as well, if C actually turns out to be Anna. "C" says her family was dysfunctional so I thought of the possibility that the Birth announcement was for an actual bio-child that could have died from Child abuse...not reported, body disposed of. They might have received notices from the state about why the child wasn't enrolled in school and they panicked. They could have spotted Anna anywhere and thought she resembled the dead child, followed her moves and took her to replace the one they killed. Jan. 16 would have been about the start of a new semester... Sorry, I look at the most devious side of things.

I really hope "C" is Anna, but since it's taken well over 4 months for any answers from LE, I highly doubt she is. If I have learned anything from the hours and hours of ANS coverage taking up air space is a Paternity DNA test done at a private lab cost $475 and results in less than 5 days. Heck if you Google it, you get hundreds of private labs. I don't know but I would highly suspect that Annasmom would pay triple that for an answer in 5 days instead of waiting on back logged state labs that take months. If money is an issue, I could bet you every one of us here would throw some money in the basket to get this done. Sorry, I know we're not supposed to speak of DNA, I'm just beating my head against a wall. :banghead:

[Jodibug]

Sorry, I know we're not supposed to speak of DNA, I'm just beating my head against a wall. :banghead:


I know how hard it is to be patient! Hopefully we'll know something soon, one way or the other.

I still think about C often, and I really hope she is doing well.

[Dr. Doogie]

That was my first thought as well, if C actually turns out to be Anna. "C" says her family was dysfunctional so I thought of the possibility that the Birth announcement was for an actual bio-child that could have died from Child abuse...not reported, body disposed of. They might have received notices from the state about why the child wasn't enrolled in school and they panicked. They could have spotted Anna anywhere and thought she resembled the dead child, followed her moves and took her to replace the one they killed. Jan. 16 would have been about the start of a new semester... Sorry, I look at the most devious side of things.

This scenario is perfectly plausible.

I really hope "C" is Anna, but since it's taken well over 4 months for any answers from LE, I highly doubt she is.

Not to say that a DNA test is being done in the case of C, but past history in cold cases has shown that DNA tests can take up to six months once the samples have been collected (SherlockJr can share her stories of frustration in the Melissa Hightower case that she worked on). Samples of Annamom and Anna's two siblings (along with Anna's actual DNA from some articles of clothing that had not been washed) were not completely collected until around the first of this year.

If I have learned anything from the hours and hours of ANS coverage taking up air space is a Paternity DNA test done at a private lab cost $475 and results in less than 5 days. Heck if you Google it, you get hundreds of private labs. I don't know but I would highly suspect that Annasmom would pay triple that for an answer in 5 days instead of waiting on back logged state labs that take months. If money is an issue, I could bet you every one of us here would throw some money in the basket to get this done.

People here have been very kind in offering financial assistance to help move this case forward, but we decided early on that no donations would ever be solicited or accepted. This allows us to avoid any suspicions of ulterior motives to our actions (not that anyone has ever made those accusations, it is just that we want to avoid any hint of impropiety).

In California, LE uses the labs at the Department of Justice for all DNA matters. Because of the high volume of samples being tested, the backlog can be several months. This is especially true concerning cold cases which are usually shuffled behind active recent cases where time is of the essence.

The fact that a DNA profile of Anna is being created is a positive step, regardless of whether C is being tested or not. There is always the possibility that a match will be found somewhere that we have not been looking (an unknown UID or a different girl of unknown origin such as a "Sharon Marshall" type). An answer may come to us when we are the least expecting it.

Sorry, I know we're not supposed to speak of DNA, I'm just beating my head against a wall. :banghead:

Actually, you can talk about DNA all you want - it is just Annasmom, Annasbro and myself that cannot give any specific answers concerning specific actions by LE concerning C and the other aspects of their investigation. :angel:

[Annasmom]

I know how hard it is to be patient! Hopefully we'll know something soon, one way or the other.

I still think about C often, and I really hope she is doing well.

It's good that you brought this up, Jodibug. As you can imagine, C has suffered an enormous life-altering shock at the mere suggestion that she might be Anna, starting with having Anna's kindergarten picture shown to her and thinking it was a picture of her (never having seen any of her own childhood pictures.) It has been, and still is, extremely difficult for her, and we are unable to speed up the process so that we can learn one way or the other. Whether or not she turns out to be our girl, we certainly have to marvel at the likeness and the seeming coincidences. Meanwhile, we're trying to look into as many other possibilities as we can. Waiting is hard, hard, hard, but necessary.

[tuitsweet]

Annasmom,
Just curious if you have had the opportunity to have an acutual 'conversation' with "C", and if so, does she 'sound' like what you would expect Anna to 'sound like' ?

I have followed your story, and truly believe one day this search will be over for you and your family, and yes, the waiting must be unbearable at times, but all so necessary for everyone to endure.

[Jodibug]

Waiting is hard, hard, hard, but necessary.


I can't imagine how difficult it must be for you, annasmom.


We all need to remember that since LE is involved, it is probably necessary for any lab testing to be done by their own lab. They also need time to build a case, if one is to be pursued. *If* "C" really is Anna, then there would be a lot more involved than just checking her blood.

While Annasmom is only interested in finding out what happend to her daughter, since LE is involved, she probably doesn't have a lot of say in whether or not the case is pursued from a legal standpoint.

[dhchick04]

I am glad I have finally decided to start reading this thread. I always wanted to but never knew where to start. So, since classes were cancelled today, I started at the very bottom.

When I saw "C's" picture it really did jump out at me at how close she resembles Anna. My question for annasmom would be does this strike you as your child? I know it's being looked into etc, but just on going by her looks do you really see her as being Anna? I ask this because of Shawn Hornbeck. He was recently(Jan.) found and his parents always said they would immediately know his face no matter the length of time that had passed.

I really do hope nothing but the best for you and your family. I admire you all so much. :)

[MissieMt]

I just want to give Kudos to Anna's family. Your determination in finding Anna is inspiring to say the least. My prayers are with your family!

[Dr. Doogie]

...When I saw "C's" picture it really did jump out at me at how close she resembles Anna.

RobinH recently did a side-by-side analysis of C and Anna's two parents (Annasmom and George Waters). She pointed out that the most distinctive difference between C and Annasmom was the shape of the end of her nose, but that shape corresponded with GW's nose.

We are not posting any additional pictures of C here because if it turns out that C is not Anna, then C does not want numerous pictures of herself floating around the internet along wih the story that she was entertaining the possibility that her family was not really her family. We have not posted her name, but the more pictures of her in cyberspace, the greater the odds that someone could identify her and create even greater tension between her and her family. This is a wise request by C and we will respect that.

[Elberethe]

Sorry I have not been around for awhile. I have had to take care of things in my own life. I'm still not going to have very much time, but did get a chance to read this latest development. I have to say that my hair stood up on my neck reading this thread. I can not begin to imagine how you all must feel. I sincerely hope this is Anna.

Annasmom, I worry about the disappointments you have had, but I see how strong you are and you are an inspiration to me. You commended your boys and your pride was well placed. I feel the same reading Annasbro posts; he is so very mature and loving. You do have a wonderful support group gathered around you and you never forget to show your appreciation. I think you are wrong to say you are not an extraordinary person, though. Your commitment, determination, strength, compassion, beauty shine through in every post you make. Your courage to face whatever may come is heroic IMO. Yet, you always have a kind word for others. I have no doubt that come what may, you will face it with the same quiet dignity that you have everything else so far. Still, I worry about you and you are always in my prayers. You are seldom far from my thoughts.

C (if anyone keeps her posted), welcome to Anna's family. If you are Anna, welcome home. You should know that whatever comes, you have crossed paths with this family for a reason and you will never be the same again. This family has grown considerably since Anna went missing. There are so many here who feel Anna's spirit move them to embrace each other and smile in the face of adversity. This is a very special group of people who have only become more special by having shared in Anna's journey. I hope you feel the love and acceptance reach out to you and accept what comfort you can.

My family at Anna's forum, we are blessed to have each other. There is so much violence and hurt in the world today, but we have this priviledge to know goodness, kindness, generosity and love. We can learn patience too. We will probably learn much more then that before it is all over. I am grateful to know people such as those who have come together here. Lifes lessons are so much easier when you have caring people to share them. Give everyone a hug today and thank Anna for bringing us all together. She can't be far from where we are when she is in our hearts.

:blowkiss: too all my family at Anna's forum.

[Shadow205]

What a beautiful post Elberethe. There is a bond among the people who post on Anna's thread that is unlike any I've seen on any other thread. I don't know why it is because people care on other threads but for some reason it is different here.

[Dr. Doogie]

What a beautiful post Elberethe. There is a bond among the people who post on Anna's thread that is unlike any I've seen on any other thread. I don't know why it is because people care on other threads but for some reason it is different here.

One thing that I have noticed is that we have avoided any of the personal spats that have occured on some other threads. Everyone has been respectful of Anna's family and each other - that goes a loooong way to keeping the good vibes going. Kudos to everyone for playing nice! :clap:

[mysteriew]

Doogie, I have to say this. You are an excellent leader. And you did just that- you led- not pushed.
One of the things that I especially liked about this forum was the fact that no theory was ever just dismissed. No theory was ever too unlikely to be discussed and analyzed. And you have openly encouraged all ideas.
Both you and Anna's mom have been right there to keep things in focus, to point directions and to keep it on topic. LOL, personal spats??? Not here, no time was given for that!

[Gina_M]

I agree - Doogie, you are an excellent leader. In fact, your name came up in another thread here on WS as an example of how an investigation should be led. I think Anna's forum is really a great "role model" for all of us amateur sleuthers :)

[Dr. Doogie]

I have seen some of those other forums where personalities got in the way of investigation and did make a deliberate decision to avoid those here. But even with that intention, it has been the integrity and class of all of those involved here that has guided us to where we are at. I am grateful for everyone here - not just for what you have contributed, but also how you contributed.

[MagicRose99]

Robin, please let C know that no matter what the outcome is next week, she has friends and family, right here on WS! I can't image what these past weeks have been like for her, but I do know that she has found a place here in all of our hearts. God bless C and hope the future bring her all that she dreams.

Annasmom and family... you know I love you and admire you and all the strengths you have shown us over these past months. My heart, hope and prayers are with you... I hope the end to your long search is finally over. But, if, by some chance it's not, you know we won't give up... EVER!

[Dr. Doogie]

I need to ask a favor from all of those who have created websites, mySpace sites, etc.:

Please remove any pictures of C from those sites.

The pictures have served its purpose, but the time has come to remove them. If the results come back as a match, the pictures can be put back up. But if it is not a match, it would be disasterous for that picture to make it in to mass media that would distribute the picture beyond our narrow focus where C's family could see it and create troubles for C. I think you can understand the problems this would cause for her.

Thanks!

[MagicRose99]

I need to ask a favor from all of those who have created websites, mySpace sites, etc.:

Please remove any pictures of C from those sites.

The pictures have served its purpose, but the time has come to remove them. If the results come back as a match, the pictures can be put back up. But if it is not a match, it would be disasterous for that picture to make it in to mass media that would distribute the picture beyond our narrow focus where C's family could see it and create troubles for C. I think you can understand the problems this would cause for her.

Thanks!

Hey Doogie! You need to delete the attachment on the first post of this thread if you can... or have a Mod do it!

**Edited to say** I got Jeana to delete the attachments for us! Keeping fingers crossed for good news this week!

[RobinH]

I need to ask a favor from all of those who have created websites, mySpace sites, etc.:

Please remove any pictures of C from those sites.

The pictures have served its purpose, but the time has come to remove them. If the results come back as a match, the pictures can be put back up. But if it is not a match, it would be disasterous for that picture to make it in to mass media that would distribute the picture beyond our narrow focus where C's family could see it and create troubles for C. I think you can understand the problems this would cause for her.

Thanks!

Doogie, Thanks so much for thinking of this. C greatly appreciates it. Thanks too all WS members for being so kind and considerate of her feelings, she appreciates it more than I could ever tell you. Hugs to all of you.:)

[mysteriew]

Please let 'C' know that we realize that she is also waiting on the results and that her feelings of anticipation may not have the same focus as ours. Facing an unknown is always hard. Please let her know that no matter what the results are that we do appreciate her help and that our thoughts are with her also.

[mysteriew]

'C' by now you know. I am so sorry. You tried, you were dealing with the issues of 'if' and now it is negative. But bless your heart for the trying and for taking the chance.

The fact that it is negative is not your fault in anyway. And yes, there is disappointment. But for a brief point in time you brought some hope and you breathed life into an investigation that had gone cold. For that I thank you.

I also thank you for lending us your story and for allowing time for all this to work out. I know it came at a cost to you and I truly hope you will be able to adjust to this news and continue to go forward with your life. Please know that you have made friends here, without even being here.