Michelle Young~Pregnant Mother NC Part 5

[Jeana (DP)]

Please continue here. Thanks!!

[fran]

Please continue here. Thanks!!

Thanks Jeana! :)

I hadn't seen you around for awhile.

fran

[raisincharlie]

Originally by Otto

I guess that I'm inclined to think that Jason had something to do with Michelle's murder because of the mysterious fax, his lack of communication with authorities, his convenient absence during the murder, no sign of break in, Cassidy being unharmed and a few other things. It's not just because he's the husband, it's because he is the husband and he doesn't seem to be bending in any direction to eliminate himself as a suspect - that in itself doesn't bode well.

I opened up the imap site, but I don't know how to navigate it: http://imaps.co.wake.nc.us/imaps/ma...&pin=0781818454 (http://imaps.co.wake.nc.us/imaps/main.htm?msize=525&cmd=ZOOMPIN&pin=0781818454)
Are you able to go to the nearby properties and see whether any of these properties have had the same owner for a long time? like 15 years? I don't know, maybe it doesn't really make any difference ... but if this boy has been a problem and has caused previous owners of the home to move, then he would have been there for some time.


Otto,

From roaming around on the plat map and then going back to deeds this is what I find for homes in direct site:

5104 - north of the Young home has had 4 owners
5112 - south of the Young home has had 1 owner
5101 - northeast of the Young home has had 1 owner
5105 - east of the Young home has had 3 owners

So there are two houses in close contact to the Young home that have had only one owner.

The easiest way around that site is to make sure first you are centered on 5108 - then click on map. The plat maps come up. To the left there are some buttons, there is an arrow which when you slide the cursor over it says selection tool. Click on that and then you can select a parcel. The map will move accordingly and on the right it will give you the address. Then you have to go all the way back to the original search page and enter the address then it will take you to the readout where you can check sketches, deeds etc. Not an easy site to work but can be done with time.

Sorry about the above - couldn't figure how else to pull your post over here.

[Jeana (DP)]

Thanks Jeana! :)

I hadn't seen you around for awhile.

fran


I've been here! Just quiter than normal. I'm checking with the other mods about making this its own forum. Can't promise anything, but doesn't hurt to ask.

[otto]

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Otto,

From roaming around on the plat map and then going back to deeds this is what I find for homes in direct site:

5104 - north of the Young home has had 4 owners
5112 - south of the Young home has had 1 owner
5101 - northeast of the Young home has had 1 owner
5105 - east of the Young home has had 3 owners

So there are two houses in close contact to the Young home that have had only one owner.

The easiest way around that site is to make sure first you are centered on 5108 - then click on map. The plat maps come up. To the left there are some buttons, there is an arrow which when you slide the cursor over it says selection tool. Click on that and then you can select a parcel. The map will move accordingly and on the right it will give you the address. Then you have to go all the way back to the original search page and enter the address then it will take you to the readout where you can check sketches, deeds etc. Not an easy site to work but can be done with time.

Sorry about the above - couldn't figure how else to pull your post over here.

Hey, thanks for looking into that for me. I suppose the child could be from one of the houses that have had one owner ... which would fit with new people moving away rather than the family with the difficult child moving away.

[close_enough]

figured i'd bring the newest link from the last thread on over here....


http://www.wral.com/news/10416388/detail.html

sooooo 3 other states besides NC....well, for sure VA, then IF the rumor was true about a girlfriend in FL,,,,hmmmmm

did anyone see Nancy Grace just now??...slept in late, then was VERY busy the rest of the day here,,,just got home, so i missed NG..wondering if she did anything with this case tonight??....wonder if Greta will??

[fran]

figured i'd bring the newest link from the last thread on over here....


http://www.wral.com/news/10416388/detail.html

sooooo 3 other states besides NC....well, for sure VA, then IF the rumor was true about a girlfriend in FL,,,,hmmmmm

did anyone see Nancy Grace just now??...slept in late, then was VERY busy the rest of the day here,,,just got home, so i missed NG..wondering if she did anything with this case tonight??....wonder if Greta will??

NG just ended and she didn't mention this case. There's the thread we have a 'caution' on, was her main focus.

Then there's a young single mom,(adorable little baby girl), who the mom has been missing. She's from Colorado, in the service but planning to get out in March, going through a custody dispute with the father of the child but he has an alibi because he was in Texas. The dogs tracked her to the onramp of the freeway. :(

Sorry for the OT,.........but it never ends.

JMHO
fran

PS....Her ex bf was ordered to pay child support, over $10K I think, and $900 @ month. Police haven't been able to talk to him.............hmmmmmm....fran

[close_enough]

NG just ended and she didn't mention this case. There's the thread we have a 'caution' on, was her main focus.

Then there's a young single mom,(adorable little baby girl), who the mom has been missing. She's from Colorado, in the service but planning to get out in March, going through a custody dispute with the father of the child but he has an alibi because he was in Texas. The dogs tracked her to the onramp of the freeway. :(

Sorry for the OT,.........but it never ends.

JMHO
fran

oooooh, ok:(
yes, in never ends.....

found this over at ctv, but it's from another site...(i have no idea what site though)

some questions that a person named Angel posted elsewhere......RUMOR, RUMOR, RUMOR......but i thought it was interesting...

Angel said,

November 27, 2006 at 8:18 am

There are several questions I have not heard answers for and they are listed below:
* What was Jason Young’s employment history
* Was Michelle the breadwinner
* Dog knew the person or would have awakened Michelle or little girl. Was he (dog) locked up and later released.
* Don’t buy neighbor kids. This is just a diverson
* Why did Jason visit is Baptist minister before date of crime, to show him bruises apparently given by Michelle
* Jason had time to return home after checking into motel. Were clues left in motel room of fibers from the scene
* Why after Jason has returned to the house have missed clues surfacing. Found by Jason?
* Insurance policy involved
* What about this girlfriend in FL he has
* I’m sorry but if my spouse had been murdered, I would be on the case every breath I had. Then, again, if I had been involved I would be doing just what Jason is doing-keeping quiet.
* Why isn’t the press hounding him day and night.
* Why isn’t the prime time people staking Jason’s parents home.

[close_enough]

BarnGoddess

IIRC, Michelle was from New York. Early on in the Topix forum, her friends were commenting there. Connection? More than likely just questioning friends that knew her and may have been recently in contact with her.

aaahh, yes NY could very well be another place they've questioned family & friends of Michelle...

[close_enough]

i watched the interview at the link posted above....the Sheriff uses his words carefully..as he should, i guess.....

wonder what this other 'puzzle' piece is...he said they have "tons" of evidence at the lab..

....but that could be just about everything in the bedroom though...

he said they're getting clues & info everyday...folks calling in & telling them things they might want to check on....interesting....
i have to say the possibility of JY having a girlfriend is becoming more & more 'real' sounding to me.....i hadn't put TOO much into that, but it's not going to surprise me, if it's the case......

[close_enough]

all right!!!!!....Michelle Young has her own forum now....thanks mods:)

[pack_fan]

Originally by Otto

I guess that I'm inclined to think that Jason had something to do with Michelle's murder because of the mysterious fax, his lack of communication with authorities, his convenient absence during the murder, no sign of break in, Cassidy being unharmed and a few other things. It's not just because he's the husband, it's because he is the husband and he doesn't seem to be bending in any direction to eliminate himself as a suspect - that in itself doesn't bode well.

I opened up the imap site, but I don't know how to navigate it: http://imaps.co.wake.nc.us/imaps/ma...&pin=0781818454 (http://imaps.co.wake.nc.us/imaps/main.htm?msize=525&cmd=ZOOMPIN&pin=0781818454)
Are you able to go to the nearby properties and see whether any of these properties have had the same owner for a long time? like 15 years? I don't know, maybe it doesn't really make any difference ... but if this boy has been a problem and has caused previous owners of the home to move, then he would have been there for some time.


Otto,

From roaming around on the plat map and then going back to deeds this is what I find for homes in direct site:

5104 - north of the Young home has had 4 owners
5112 - south of the Young home has had 1 owner
5101 - northeast of the Young home has had 1 owner
5105 - east of the Young home has had 3 owners

So there are two houses in close contact to the Young home that have had only one owner.

The easiest way around that site is to make sure first you are centered on 5108 - then click on map. The plat maps come up. To the left there are some buttons, there is an arrow which when you slide the cursor over it says selection tool. Click on that and then you can select a parcel. The map will move accordingly and on the right it will give you the address. Then you have to go all the way back to the original search page and enter the address then it will take you to the readout where you can check sketches, deeds etc. Not an easy site to work but can be done with time.

Sorry about the above - couldn't figure how else to pull your post over here.
Here is a good website as well. You can search any wake county property by name or address. If you just type in the street name (without the house number), it will bring up all the houses on that street. It shows the address and owner's name and you can click on the account number for all the info on the house.

[raisincharlie]

figured i'd bring the newest link from the last thread on over here....


http://www.wral.com/news/10416388/detail.html

sooooo 3 other states besides NC....well, for sure VA, then IF the rumor was true about a girlfriend in FL,,,,hmmmmm

did anyone see Nancy Grace just now??...slept in late, then was VERY busy the rest of the day here,,,just got home, so i missed NG..wondering if she did anything with this case tonight??....wonder if Greta will??
close-enough,

I can't help but grin a bit here - Greta has been out scooped ! She spoke with Amanda Lamb from WRAL last night and there wasn't much. Today WRAL comes out with this interview with the sheriff. I'm thinking there will be no comment tonight on Greta.

[raisincharlie]

Please continue here. Thanks!!
Thank you Jeana !!!

Media thread, the whole works - wow - uptown now !

[close_enough]

close-enough,

I can't help but grin a bit here - Greta has been out scooped ! She spoke with Amanda Lamb from WRAL last night and there wasn't much. Today WRAL comes out with this interview with the sheriff. I'm thinking there will be no comment tonight on Greta.

aaahhhh, ok....ugh, you're probably right, RC

[pack_fan]

Guess I should post the link, huh :banghead: !!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://msweb01.co.wake.nc.us/realestate/search.asp

[close_enough]

Thank you Jeana !!!

Media thread, the whole works - wow - uptown now !

yes, isn't it great?:)

i posted the articles on the media thread, that i had saved....

[raisincharlie]

Guess I should post the link, huh :banghead: !!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://msweb01.co.wake.nc.us/realestate/search.asp

Well I wasn't going to say anything - I figured you would be back. Thanks !

[scandi]

Thanks for the FORUM Jeana! :) You know we all appreciate it.

I thought I would pull a 'Captain Joe' of roving fame, and give his great Sleuthing work a little pat on the back. Here it is listing the replies he got in trying to get some scoop on the case:

[/I]1. "Agreed-we're trying to get people to go on record and talk about him [JY]. They're afraid. Believe me we're working it hard."

2. "I appreciate your interest in the case but not your tone.
If I had answers to these questions, believe me, I would be sharing them in the paper."

3. "Thank you for writing. Unfortunately, investigators aren’t releasing any new information in this case at this time. I have received some information about the investigation, but it has been off the record. Unfortunately, that information cannot be released."[/I] Misfits

I also learned from reading CTV that poster RPD of Raleigh states that Jason is living now in Raleigh in an extended living hotel with Cassidy and his mother.

Also, I located information on Ryan Schaad that Sami had asked about. He is really quite a guy. I'll go pull his web page so you can all see it, but he owned a property jointly with Jason at 5304 Agate Way in Raleigh. Ryan works in broadband communications and worked for Windchannel Comm, or did in the past. I can't tell, as it says 'past':

http://www.zoominfo.com/search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=442753268

He seems like the All American guy, impressive background starting with MCI. They were probably classmates at college and ended up with a business venture between themselves.

Did anyone read that Jason went to a Baptist minister to show him bruises he got from Michelle? Bizarre. Has to be rumor, but I don't know why that would be brought into a conversation if they can't give a reference. I wonder if they attended a Baptist church?


Scandi

[otto]

Guess I should post the link, huh :banghead: !!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://msweb01.co.wake.nc.us/realestate/search.asp

Thanks ... I knew that if I kept reading it would be there.

[fran]

I've been here! Just quiter than normal. I'm checking with the other mods about making this its own forum. Can't promise anything, but doesn't hurt to ask.


You're the best Jeana (DP)

:dance: :clap:

Thanks
fran

[jilly]

figured i'd bring the newest link from the last thread on over here....


http://www.wral.com/news/10416388/detail.html

sooooo 3 other states besides NC....well, for sure VA, then IF the rumor was true about a girlfriend in FL,,,,hmmmmm

did anyone see Nancy Grace just now??...slept in late, then was VERY busy the rest of the day here,,,just got home, so i missed NG..wondering if she did anything with this case tonight??....wonder if Greta will??

Hi Close! Thanks for bringing that link over. Do you know if it's normal for the CSIs to be in the house for "more than 10 days"? Maybe the murder didn't start and end in the bedroom afterall. Whatever...sounds like they're being very thorough.

Like others, the reference to "If and when we make the arrest...." stood out for me too. This could eliminate anything to do with a hit - do ya think? It sounds to me like he might have been speaking directly to JY.

[pack_fan]

Thanks for the FORUM Jeana! :) You know we all appreciate it.

I thought I would pull a 'Captain Joe' of roving fame, and give his great Sleuthing work a little pat on the back. Here it is listing the replies he got in trying to get some scoop on the case:

[/I]1. "Agreed-we're trying to get people to go on record and talk about him [JY]. They're afraid. Believe me we're working it hard."

2. "I appreciate your interest in the case but not your tone.
If I had answers to these questions, believe me, I would be sharing them in the paper."

3. "Thank you for writing. Unfortunately, investigators aren’t releasing any new information in this case at this time. I have received some information about the investigation, but it has been off the record. Unfortunately, that information cannot be released."[/I] Misfits

I also learned from reading CTV that poster RPD of Raleigh states that Jason is living now in Raleigh in an extended living hotel with Cassidy and his mother.

Also, I located information on Ryan Schaad that Sami had asked about. He is really quite a guy. I'll go pull his web page so you can all see it, but he owned a property jointly with Jason at 5304 Agate Way in Raleigh. Ryan works in broadband communications and worked for Windchannel Comm, or did in the past. I can't tell, as it says 'past':

http://www.zoominfo.com/search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=442753268

He seems like the All American guy, impressive background starting with MCI. They were probably classmates at college and ended up with a business venture between themselves.

Did anyone read that Jason went to a Baptist minister to show him bruises he got from Michelle? Bizarre. Has to be rumor, but I don't know why that would be brought into a conversation if they can't give a reference. I wonder if they attended a Baptist church?


Scandi
Don't quote me on this but I think that Michelle was Catholic. JY would be a good candidate for Baptist being from western NC. Don't know about their church habits but I don't see any man going to a minister to show bruises to a minister. Just my opinion though.

I am having a hard time buying into the New York connection for LE. I know Michelle has family and high school friends there but she had been in NC since the mid 90's. She was very involved in her sorority and made so many close friends in college. It was one big group of girls that spent most of their time together. They are still very close and I know that this is completely off topic but thought you guys might want to know that they are making a scrapbook for Cassidy. They won't let her forget her mom.

The earlier posters from NY didn't know Jason. Some had met once or twice but I don't know how that would be that helpful to LE. I would be more inclined to beleive that LE is looking into his sales territory or looking at (RUMOR ALERT) possible affairs. I tend to believe this would be rather easy to find out by looking at phone records and or email. Certainly anyone he kept in close contact with via phone or email would be interviewed by LE.

[scandi]

Thanks Pack_fan for that. Isn't that a neat idea to make Cassidy a scrapbook. She will cherish that forever.

You live in Raleigh, right? Do you hear any buzz at all, like at the grocery store or on local talk shows? We can't get over how just nothing at all is coming out except that tiny article today.


Scandi

[fran]

The earlier posters from NY didn't know Jason. Some had met once or twice but I don't know how that would be that helpful to LE. I would be more inclined to beleive that LE is looking into his sales territory or looking at (RUMOR ALERT) possible affairs. I tend to believe this would be rather easy to find out by looking at phone records and or email. Certainly anyone he kept in close contact with via phone or email would be interviewed by LE.

I saw a post on ctv from someone in Raleigh that there's a rumor among her friends that JY has a gf in Florida.

Thought that was interesting.

JMHO
fran

[fran]

We must remember that although LE has said they have no suspects, they DID have the DA on site of the crime.

I don't know if that is SOP or not. IF NOT, it would tell me they have a STRONG indication of WHO is responsible.

JMHO
fran

[pack_fan]

Thanks Pack_fan for that. Isn't that a neat idea to make Cassidy a scrapbook. She will cherish that forever.

You live in Raleigh, right? Do you hear any buzz at all, like at the grocery store or on local talk shows? We can't get over how just nothing at all is coming out except that tiny article today.


Scandi
People talk, a lot of the same stuff that has been posted here but as we all know there are so many rumors floating around that you can't really believe any of it. Not so much on the local tv/radio. No information from LE means no news to report. Bits and peices through local paper and news but everyone here follows closely enough that you have seen as much of the "facts" as I have.

[pack_fan]

I saw a post on ctv from someone in Raleigh that there's a rumor among her friends that JY has a gf in Florida.

Thought that was interesting.

JMHO
fran
I can't speak for this other poster and have no idea where he/she got their information, BUT....... he or she is not in the same group of friends that I know. Her close friends from college are behind Jason 100%. That being said, you don't know what goes on behind closed doors. I don't want to say yes or no until more info is available.

[scandi]

I did just read a post from RPD at CTV that he overheard talk among the soriety sisters, and when asked about the GF in Fla one girl said she didn't know about it but wouldn't be surprised!

Scandi

[pack_fan]

We must remember that although LE has said they have no suspects, they DID have the DA on site of the crime.

I don't know if that is SOP or not. IF NOT, it would tell me they have a STRONG indication of WHO is responsible.

JMHO
fran
Sorry to be spamming here, got a lot of thoughts in my head tonight. I was thinking about this earlier in the evening. I was CERTAIN that an arrest would be coming soon since LE had the DA at the house before it was released. I am also surprised that they keep coming back to the point that they are still processing evidence. They have full access to ccbi lab and roughly 20 detectives working the case. Come on, you can't tell me that two weeks after the death that they interview the sheriff and he says they still don't know the time of death????? JMO, but I think that they have 1 suspect and 1
suspect only. They are piecing together the evidence in order to file charges. I would have thought that they had the DA out to ask the simple question, do we have enough evidence yet?

[Samiya]

Also, I located information on Ryan Schaad that Sami had asked about. He is really quite a guy. I'll go pull his web page so you can all see it, but he owned a property jointly with Jason at 5304 Agate Way in Raleigh. Ryan works in broadband communications and worked for Windchannel Comm, or did in the past. I can't tell, as it says 'past':

http://www.zoominfo.com/search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=442753268

He seems like the All American guy, impressive background starting with MCI. They were probably classmates at college and ended up with a business venture between themselves.


ScandiHiya Scandi,

I already had all that info on Mr Schaad.....(Arete Way). I was hoping someone over 'yonder' would start talking about him because it would've been interesting to see what they would've said and if they would've pointed to him as JY's so called boyfriend. When I say 'they' I only mean those who reckon their friends of either or both or of family or friends of friends or F O F O F O F O F or 18th cousin six times removed,lol.

Note on red tie...I do not think Jason is gay.

Sami

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Thanks for the forum, Jeanna!! :)
Great stuff....

Now .... for an arrest.

[fran]

I can't speak for this other poster and have no idea where he/she got their information, BUT....... he or she is not in the same group of friends that I know. Her close friends from college are behind Jason 100%. That being said, you don't know what goes on behind closed doors. I don't want to say yes or no until more info is available.

Thank you pack_fan:

The other person, I think, was talking to someone. Of course, it could have just been local scuttle-but, which means nothing.

I believe part of the problem is the family is remaining mute while self-proclaimed friends (defenders) of JY's have been running around letting out information that wasn't in public domain, ie., even the local news outlets. Doesn't look good for Jason, his friends letting out exculpatory evidence while Jason himself hasn't offered to talk to LE.

IF JY wants the murderer caught, then he SHOULD be talking to LE, up front, in person (even with his attorney at his side). I mean, IF this was 'random,' then he might know something that could help solve the case. That is IF he wants the murderer caught of his precious wife and unborn son.

JMHO
fran

[PolkSaladAnnie]

oh my, from Peeper ... (forgot the numbers) ...




Newbee polksalad.how can you tell????

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Iwanted all clapping faces .BUT I COULD NOT FIND DELEET.YOU POLK ARE NOT A LOOSER!!!I have been readig this case right from page ONE .AND YOU are right on the button. Also everyone on this web are awsome.Iwiil never go anywhere else because you folk'sare real SLEUTHER"S.thank you all for all for making this so exciting, and sooo proffessionall.Now this is what I wanted to do BRAVO. sorry I screwd up the first part.


:blushing:

Oh welcome, Peeper, I just went to catch up - and your post brings brightness into the forum and felt bad not to acknowledge you in the new thread.

Thank you very much you're right and I emboldened that in your post above: all of us: the thoughts and ideas brought in here from a dedicated group. Professional? Well that's a fine word (faces team, beaming ...). Yes, there is a wonderful comradeship here and y'know.... I'd never whizzle on charlies daffs. I like him too much. He brings back the logic and facts to ensure we're not too wayward ... (lol! :D)

So: you've been reading the fan-triple-tastic team here and our partners-in-slime offer anything from Ovaltine to Mike's cold .... ---> (leave the noun up to you heehee). Look forward to sharing with you!

PSA

Lovely to read the warmth! Tku, peeps :)

[pack_fan]

Thank you pack_fan:

The other person, I think, was talking to someone. Of course, it could have just been local scuttle-but, which means nothing.

I believe part of the problem is the family is remaining mute while self-proclaimed friends (defenders) of JY's have been running around letting out information that wasn't in public domain, ie., even the local news outlets. Doesn't look good for Jason, his friends letting out exculpatory evidence while Jason himself hasn't offered to talk to LE.

IF JY wants the murderer caught, then he SHOULD be talking to LE, up front, in person (even with his attorney at his side). I mean, IF this was 'random,' then he might know something that could help solve the case. That is IF he wants the murderer caught of his precious wife and unborn son.

JMHO
fran

Right on Fran:clap:. He should have his rear end down there the first day answering anything they asked. By all means, take your high powered atty and let him sit there. If you have nothing to hide, there is absolutely no fathomable reason that you shouldn't be trying to give as much information as possible. They are going to find out where he stayed, if he spent any money on cc or debit card, telephone calls, etc. whether he volunteers the info or not. BUT, if you didn't do it, give the info up immediately and save them some time so they can go after the real perp.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Right on Fran:clap:. He should have his rear end down there the first day answering anything they asked. By all means, take your high powered atty and let him sit there. If you have nothing to hide, there is absolutely no fathomable reason that you shouldn't be trying to give as much information as possible. They are going to find out where he stayed, if he spent any money on cc or debit card, telephone calls, etc. whether he volunteers the info or not. BUT, if you didn't do it, give the info up immediately and save them some time so they can go after the real perp.



There's the bar, pack_fan! And JY's lowered it way below the belt!

(hello, btw - been catching up on your posts :))

I feel JY's not only isolated MY's family from Cassie, but he's left them hurt, confused and broken ... but he has snubbed them and consciously not co-operated.

[pack_fan]

There's the bar, pack_fan! And JY's lowered it way below the belt!

(hello, btw - been catching up on your posts :))

I feel JY's not only isolated MY's family from Cassie, but he's left them hurt, confused and broken ... but he has snubbed them and consciously not co-operated.
Sorry, had to delete the last message and rephrase. I feel very sorry for MY's family and I know it is breaking their hearts not to be able to be around Cassidy. I think there is more to it than meets the eye. JY isn't isolating Cassidy to be mean, or heartless, or spiteful. Let's just say that there could be a reason that they weren't hugging and sitting next to one another at the funeral. JMHO.

[scandi]

I just have scattered thoughts tonight before I go to bed.

Does anyone think they have found the weapon used to kill her? He had to use something pretty substantial to literally crack her head open as Dr Baden said. A baseball bat? Something he could hide behind his back to sneak up on her if she was awake?

Any thoughts about Meredith. There is one point in the 911 call where her voice changes completely to a low matter of fact tone that does bother me as it is out of cinque with the rest.

A thought I immediately had the first day was if I walked into a house and found a murdered woman, I would immediately pick up that child and leave the house for fear the murderer would still be there. I'm a fraidy cat though. I read a post tonight at CTV and by gosh this gal said the same thing. She also wondered why, when she saw Michelle home and was there to pick up a 'paper' he didn't want Michelle to see, that she went in at all. Has anyone wondered that same thing?

Well, the fact that todays little article says 'the' arrest leads me to believe there will be only one and it sounds imminent. So I guess there is nothing to my wondering about Meredith as she was plainly used, one way or the other. I had read that M and M were not really close at all as sisters. One other thought I had that first day was I wondered if they had a hot thing going on.


Scandi

ETA: My better judgment says Meredith wasn't involved in any way with JY. I guess I just had to write those thoughts out to analyze them. Anyway, when a woman is suddenly dropped into a situation like Meredith was, she had to be in shock.

[pack_fan]

I just have scattered thoughts tonight before I go to bed.

Does anyone think they have found the weapon used to kill her? He had to use something pretty substantial to literally crack her head open as Dr Baden said. A baseball bat? Something he could hide behind his back to sneak up on her if she was awake?

Any thoughts about Meredith. There is one point in the 911 call where her voice changes completely to a low matter of fact tone that does bother me as it is out of cinque with the rest.

A thought I immediately had the first day was if I walked into a house and found a murdered woman, I would immediately pick up that child and leave the house for fear the murderer would still be there. I'm a fraidy cat though. I read a post tonight at CTV and by gosh this gal said the same thing. She also wondered why, when she saw Michelle home and was there to pick up a 'paper' he didn't want Michelle to see, that she went in at all. Has anyone wondered that same thing?

Well, the fact that todays little article says 'the' arrest leads me to believe there will be only one and it sounds imminent. So I guess there is nothing to my wondering about Meredith as she was plainly used, one way or the other. I had read that M and M were not really close at all as sisters. One other thought I had that first day was I wondered if they had a hot thing going on.


Scandi
Oh my goodness, I have got to go to bed but I can't tear myself away. I keep thinking that I will check one more time before going to bed. Gotta quit that....

I would very seriously doubt that the murder weapon was found. Interesting to note that most bludgeoning deaths would be more like someone sneeking in a house not expecting someone to be home and getting surprised. They pick up whatever they can find close by for a weapon so the murder weapon is right there.

The reason that I don't think that is the case here is because it seems to be a planned attack, imo. No forced entry, nothing stolen (rumors say yes and no, I'll stick with no for now), and LE was very quick to come out and say that this was not a random attack.

I could very well be wrong but I would have to give a no on the murder weapon. Although...................... when asked by Greta if they knew what the murder weapon was, Sheriff said "let's just say we have collected a lot of evidence".

Think I'll stick with the no for now.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

O/T - but to save too many replies:

scandi :blowkiss: - thanks for your pm.

jilly, Taxi and others - tku for posts...

And, jillly, well, yes I guess First Name basis is order of the day, heh heh :)

:)

[Floh]

I just have scattered thoughts tonight before I go to bed.

Does anyone think they have found the weapon used to kill her? He had to use something pretty substantial to literally crack her head open as Dr Baden said. A baseball bat? Something he could hide behind his back to sneak up on her if she was awake?

Any thoughts about Meredith. There is one point in the 911 call where her voice changes completely to a low matter of fact tone that does bother me as it is out of cinque with the rest.

A thought I immediately had the first day was if I walked into a house and found a murdered woman, I would immediately pick up that child and leave the house for fear the murderer would still be there. I'm a fraidy cat though. I read a post tonight at CTV and by gosh this gal said the same thing. She also wondered why, when she saw Michelle home and was there to pick up a 'paper' he didn't want Michelle to see, that she went in at all. Has anyone wondered that same thing?

Well, the fact that todays little article says 'the' arrest leads me to believe there will be only one and it sounds imminent. So I guess there is nothing to my wondering about Meredith as she was plainly used, one way or the other. I had read that M and M were not really close at all as sisters. One other thought I had that first day was I wondered if they had a hot thing going on.


Scandi

ETA: My better judgment says Meredith wasn't involved in any way with JY. I guess I just had to write those thoughts out to analyze them. Anyway, when a woman is suddenly dropped into a situation like Meredith was, she had to be in shock.

I have similar thoughts about Meredith - right up to your, and including, ETA.

i did, initially, way back when, jump right in and say i thought she sounded as i would expect on the 911, as some were saying she sounded too calm. i do believe she was taking Cassidy into consideration and was controlling her feelings.

i do need to listen to the tape again and hope someone here has a copy to start a thread of its own. i want to quell my disquieting thoughts as i believe i'm reaching . . .

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I just have scattered thoughts tonight before I go to bed.

Any thoughts about Meredith. There is one point in the 911 call where her voice changes completely to a low matter of fact tone that does bother me as it is out of cinque with the rest.

ETA: My better judgment says Meredith wasn't involved in any way with JY. I guess I just had to write those thoughts out to analyze them. Anyway, when a woman is suddenly dropped into a situation like Meredith was, she had to be in shock.

Gosh, scandi. ALL your points would make great threads, lol... I've picked your thoughts on Meredith...

Sounding like a stuck record, I still believe the tape was spliced in at least 4 places: we know the landline number was spliced out - and I also feel it was spliced around the part where the 911 op gets the Sheriff on the line... those I felt are the most obvious ... but there are 2 other parts in the tape that I feel are spliced:

When Meredith FIRST came on the tape, we could hear her anguish; her voice was shaking. And yes, later she was calmer.

IMO: I firmly feel Meredith was doing all she can to rally herself, take in the situation and the ONLY thing that managed to keep her together was the constant voice and steady tone of the 911 op. He was asking her firmly and gently enough, to NOT PANIC. Cassie's eyes must have been like a rollercoaster trying to absorb the scene before her...

Cassie's little chatter had to have been pivotal in assisting Meredith to keep it together. And in hindsight, it may be a blessing in disguise Cassie was there - Meredith would not have wanted Cassie to see her 'go crazy'...

I feel Meredith stationed herself and tried hard to distance herself from the emotion and help EMS by giving facts. We heard her almost venture back to wavering when the 911-op asked her to try move Michelle.

And .... no, from what little we know, I highly doubt Meredith and JY had anything 'going on'. Stranger things have happened .... but not IMO, right now, anyways...

[leann coburn]

I personally don't think that Jason Young has a current (or during the Marriage to Michelle) girlfriend anywhere. I think that gossip is an insideous (sp?) thing and hides behind many stories and things that cannot be verified.

I personally, being of somewhat sound mind, don't think that the husband is guilty of murdering the wife in this case. I know this won't make me popular, but I have to say what I feel in my bones.

I, too, have lain awake at night trying to figure out what happened to Michelle. I have thought about everything that I can possibly think about, and Jason is never a part of this situation . I don't know why. I normally suspect the husband straight off, especially in a situation such as this. Something in my bones, as a former abused wife, tells me that he didn't do this or contract to do this. How can I, as a woman, possibly take HIS side? I don't know, but I would think, that if he isn't guilty, that Michelle would be so glad that I did. I have laid there in the bed for hours and I can't see Jason doing this to his wife. To beat her to death to the point of blood being everywhere and to let his daughter crawl around in it for hours. To have it on her little feet and hands and possibly elsewhere on her body. I just can't see this, and I have and do continue to know a lot of MEAN people in this life that I live. Most people, IMO, are not worth the time of day. Sad to say, but it is the truth as I have found to be true for myself. This fact does not serve to make me happy. It serves to make me question most of the people that I come into contact with. If any person, having the wisdom that God gave them, does not agree w/me, then I must say that they are an eternal optimist. Even so, I, even as a skeptic, do not believe that any father would do this to his little daughter. I predict that a totally different scenario will present itself. I know for a fact that at least 99% of my fellow posters can only hope that I am right. And I know it. Little Cassidy deserves so much more. As a lover of many children who need help in my extended family, you may know this about me or not. I still don't care. I think that Michelle was killed by a neighborhood intruder that probably took the weapon with him when he left. What was "missing" from the funeral? Perhaps the viewing of the deceased? Considering the nature of her injuries, does it seem possible that there was a viewing? As a longtime former embalmer w/SCI, I don't think they would have opened her coffin for anything. People go crazy when they do in a situation like this. There would have been swelling that would not have "gone down". Not even with an electric spatuala (if you need to ask, then don't). I would even question, privately, if her skull (head) was present. Many times, such an exhibit is saved (or at least a plastercast of it) for the trial so that the jury may see and handle it firsthand. I don't mean to offend. I mean to spill my guts, as far as I could know. Sorrow is a universal thing. If we could be provided w/the elixer of forgetfulness so that we could not suffer the pain of another's death, but w/ the condition that we would never remember the deceased, I would bet that NONE of us would accept such an elixer. Michelle Young, IMO, will await her family and loved ones on the other side when the time is come.

This is much like an unexpected trip to New Orleans, for some reason. To the deepest and darkest regions of my mind. One year before Katrina, I had seen all of the people "living" underneath the overpass by the SuperDome and it had frightened me enough to want to leave that town. It seemed that each of them had a basket from a market and was ready for something, which I could not even begin to understand. An elderly black gentleman in a car told us, at Canal Street, that we had gone "too far" and that we needed to turn around immeadiately and go back towards the Garden District. May God Bless him. And he only knows who he is. The whole time we were last there, the feeling of death ruled that city.

The same with the death of Michelle Young, so bright and promising. I don't think, and I will wait for proof, that her husband did this to her. I think a relatively closeby person did this to her. People often kill what they cannot have for their own.

I think that LE is being tight-lipped because they suspect someone who is the direct opposite of the husband. Someone who has felt and lived in the soil of the area for quite some time. I have asked my "muse" (the subconscious to some) for the answer. And this is the one that I have continually gotten back after hours of thought.

That crawlspace will always upset me as a point of entry. If I am wrong, so what? I've been wrong before. I said that I thought that Natalee Holloway was cremated after her death. No right or wrong, because NO ONE knows and I find this most convenient. She is no runaway, IMO. How DOES one make a body disappear?

As for Michelle, I think Jason loved and respected her. Don't ask me why. I'm allowed my thoughts and opinions as much as anyone else here. There is something which we will soon discover that leads away from him, IMHO.

JMO and et al

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hi leann coburn (related to James ?? :D)

Your New Orleans story and the words of that Angel, the older black gentleman are special; it's wonderful you hang on to that memory and have shared it with us.

FWIW, I certainly do not think you are, or will be unpopular; the reverse may said - I may be unpopular with you for definitely belieiving JY is responsible. The great thing about this forum is that all minds, all kinds, come together.

On my part, I, too understand the plight of "battered women" and every tale is as gross, atrocious and senseless as the next. Each incident is different. Each opinion is different.

By posters here seeing things differently won't bring Michelle and her unborn baby son back. But maybe, by working through posters opinions and following the facts, we'll come to the truth together. And that truth should not 'upset' any one of us - it should unite us in justice.

You may have witnessed my (sarcasm??) attitude with some of the "Jasonites", and that is only because their posts came across as over justifying him, giving somewhat (IMO) banal reasons for his every action and they were all about JASON. Very little came over to advance their logic. Moreover, I felt they were giving excuses. That, too is fine - who am I to judge?

Unfortunately it went on too long and too strong and I just got tired of it and wondered if they weren't damaging JY's case - irrespective of his guilt/innocence.

Thanks for your thoughts - please stay and help us wage war against people who brutally murder healthy young, pregnant moms!

Best, PSA :)

[PolkSaladAnnie]

:eek:

Lol, leann coburn - your post GREW between my response and return to this thread.....

Have to go and re-read .... :crazy:

[PolkSaladAnnie]

OK ... phew ... good post and thoughts, leann.

One thing I do not follow your beliefs is that Jason loved and respected MY.

IF... he did, then he sure changed shoes immediately! The loving husband goes ICE cold on them so suddenly? There was no sign of a rift, especially as - of all the people in MY's family - he asked Meredith to collect a fax (and that fax has become a controversy of its own). Finish. That's all we knew.

The Jasonites came in and developed a scenario FOR us, stating it was not a fax, but a print-out, for a surprise gift for MY. (No celebration impending - and all that trouble for a leather purse?????? While he was on a business trip and travelling .... anyway, that's suspect to me...)

Back to my point: Why avoid MY's family? That just does NOT come across as love and respect for my spouse, definitely not in my book. Not at all. Just the opposite. Why would I ignore my husband's family (Heaven forbid) if I were to find myself in the same, innocent situation?

I find most responses as rather lame excuses: so I guess now I've explained myself ... that's where we differ :)

[leann coburn]

PolkSaladAnnie, I hope the gators didn't get your Granny. I most heartedly agree with everything that you said and that you hoped for. None of us would want the Father to be guilty. But we never can tell.

As a frequent visitor of the Myrtles and the Inn where Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise stayed as guests during the making of "Interview with the Vampire", I understand where you are coming from. I, even though I am christened a christian, often wonder aloud and silently about life and death.

Can you believe, though I live in a normal house, that my neighbor just called and asked that I turn down the stereo (Portishead)? I'm 41 and I can't believe that. I called right back and asked if everything was okay now and if they could hear when I flushed the toilet (LOL). I'm a stinker, ain't I?

Are you the one who had the grandmother who was so accurate in saying what was going to happen in the future? Maybe that was the poster w/the extremely french name. Either way, I can't discount either.

You see, I'm adopted and my mother came to Tennessee from New Orleans to give birth to me, her third child. She asked that I be placed in a "Christian" household. And I've raised my share of hell, for sure. Since 1966, that is. She tried her best, and when ever I think of her, I can feel a cold feeling going down my spine, like she is pacing back and forth on her hardwood floor. She left me with many thing, PSA, that my adopted parents never taught me. They used to say (I would put my head against their door at night) "where did she get that? It didn't come from us. Where did she learn those things?" Nowadays, it makes me laugh. Good is good and evil is evil.

So, IMHO only, Jason didn't kill his wife. If those who believe he did are correct, I promise I will no longer post on WS. And I always keep my promises.

Memphis wants Louisiana to know that we love our sister!!!! Especially the grand city herself, New Orleans. Even the LaLaurie House and all the horrors hidden within.

Llannappe and so for.....JMO

[PolkSaladAnnie]

NOOOO-OOOOO-OOO ! leann, I have lots to say about your post, but please don't promise "not to post again on W/S" if, by chance, your belief turns out wrong. That's not the way it works... No-one should really be 'right or wrong' if we're to believe we have a right to an opinion. Education changes opinions, not emabrrassment for being wrong! (Well, ha ha ... IMO, that is ..:D).

I cannot educate your opinion to change without substantially sound and verifiable reasons - reasons that have to seem logical to you - and vice versa (your views affecting my opinion)..

So, we all would love it if you stayed a while - and play this one out with us. Of course I don't WANT it to be Jason. I just THINK it is, right now.

Lol ... you have to know about Poke Salat, Elvis Presley's song about Annie who picked Poke Salat lol ... The gators didn't get my Granny :D. She was such a snappy woman, I'm sure she was a gator herself, lol.

And no ... you must be thinking of another poster, because the only "future" my granny told us about was what would happen if we didn't eat her food and clean up afterwards, LOL (and it was not a pleasant future, that's for sure...).

Welcome to Michelle Young's forum, leann! We can't hear your music, maybe you should switch to Achey-Breaky Heart for your neighbours. That would drive me insance, so I'm idding.

best ... PSA :)

Edited to add: ha ha! I unintentionally just made up a new word: insance. That's a cross between insane and insensed. It fits, too! lol... p:

[leann coburn]

I could never be angry at you, PolkSaladAnnie, as one who has eaten that very poisonous delecacy for myself. If you don't fix Polk Salad (a southern weed) exactly right, it is poisonous to those that eat it. I've never been broke enough to rely on it, but my family insisted on it as a staple that was good for the soul and good enough for them when they were growing up. That also meant, that here in TN, February was "hog killing month", for it was the month that could most be relied on for slaughtering a hog and cooking off the fat, being cold enough not to lead to spoilage. I've been around, and not ashamed of it. They seemed to think, that by pulling a chicken's feet through the chickenwire, and then using an axe to chop off it's head, that we had come to a realization of what life was really about. Most people just go to the grocery store, buy meat, and never give it a thought.

I think that that is very convenient for humankind. It certainly is. I am married to a man who has never participated in the death of any animal. I love animals, and have had many pets that I DID NOT eat. Rabbits, geese, ponies, dogs, cats, etc. I have seen firsthand the horror of the cow when separated from the calf. They will break through fences or do anything to get back together. The calf wants to suckle. The cow is suffering from the pain that comes from weaning a calf. I have had to go on horseback to retrieve one or the other numerous times as a child.

What does this have to do with Michelle and Jason Young? I can't really say except that something inside me still doesn't believe that he is guilty. I don't know the Youngs, nor have I ever. I do, however, know many fathers. And they fall all along the spectrum of good to bad fathers. I have never known one personally (I obviously don't know Scott Peterson) that wanted his pregnant wife dead. That's just my opinion, and I will stick by it until the LE in the area say different.

Don't you think, by now, that they would have had something to say if it was indeed Jason? His alibi is either verified or complete crap by now. Horowitz was briefly looked at in this way. And it was the crazy teenager in the neighborhood who was responsible. Simple as that. So we can't talk about that. And I understand, because the parents would want to sue. In my opinion, this is not a far stretch for the teens of today. I know that many of you have teens of your own, and don't observe anything strange about them, and that's fine and great. So many of our teens are throw-aways and are never really understood by anyone until they commit an act of attrocity on another human being. I know this for a fact. I just never slipped far enough down to actually do such a thing. But I hated a lot of people when I was a teenager, mainly because I didn't know where I had come from and I didn't think that the people that had me understood me at all.

Never fear....all is calm and happy now. But those teenagers who are still out there and afraid (Scott Dyleski) really have no where to turn. Trust me. I used to know how it felt.

Think I'll turn down the music for now. Peace to you all and may all your dreams be about something else much more pleasant than what I have recently been dreaming about. Michelle being watched through an air return vent by someone who later came in and beat her to death. I want to shake off this feeling, so I'm gone for now.

PSA, bless Addie Hall....you know the girl from the quarters who got cooked in the oven? I think you would know and would feel the same...............

JMO

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Leann, I skipped over the macabre parts; although having recently read the worst imaginable - everything else pales in comparison. (Otherwise I couldn't watch FBI, CSI, etc in such addictive detail!)

Take care and enjoy your music; let's see how this pans out.

[Floh]

leann coburn: what you said here. this:

"I personally, being of somewhat sound mind, don't think that the husband is guilty of murdering the wife in this case. I know this won't make me popular, but I have to say what I feel in my bones."

and this:

"The same with the death of Michelle Young, so bright and promising. I don't think, and I will wait for proof, that her husband did this to her. I think a relatively closeby person did this to her. People often kill what they cannot have for their own."

I'm in agreement.

and i believe we really have no idea how much contact with L.E. and Michelle's family JY has had of late (last couple of weeks). he is, i understand, staying in Raleigh at present. although of course that may be incorrect.


we don't post for popularity, do we? and i'm not posting to 'win' and be able to say "i told you so" if it turns out we are correct with our thoughts. nor will i come on and apologise if it does turn out JY had anything or everything to do with MY's murder. because at present we can only toss out what we feel is possible or unlikely, when we have so little information.

[leann coburn]

We do indeed have very little information that we can rely on. I have looked at several pix of Jason for long periods of time, and I can not see him as the murderer of Michelle. Does this count for anything? Not as far as LE or others are concerned. But for me, it is an overwhelming feeling that I get that Jason did not kill or contract to kill his wife. I don't have a dog in this fight. At all. I don't even know anyone in Raleigh. I just go by the feelings that are generated in my mind when I deeply consider a case like this. I would not be ashamed if I were proven to be wrong. Not at all. I think we are created to have the feelings that we have and that we each have them for a reason.

I am hoping that Cassidy will still have a father active in her life when this investigation is completed. I will always say that I see someone coming in through the unlocked crawlspace, up through an air return vent, into the house to kill Michelle, possilby for mocking them or telling on them. This would be a relatively young person, IMO. I would have to say that, in my own thoughts, that the weapon is a "sap", a semi-soft weight like police use. But it is available many places. Please forgive if I have offended.

Not every man is a Scott Peterson. In fact, most of them are not and I know this for a fact. Surely there are others out there who could attest to this. Don't you have fathers? Brothers? Husbands? Sons? If you do, then you can believe that Jason was far away when sweet Michelle and her baby boy were sent out of this prescence and into the next.

Goodnite all and may you all have more pleasant dreams than I!!!!!

[Taximom]

We do indeed have very little information that we can rely on. I have looked at several pix of Jason for long periods of time, and I can not see him as the murderer of Michelle. Does this count for anything? Not as far as LE or others are concerned. But for me, it is an overwhelming feeling that I get that Jason did not kill or contract to kill his wife. I don't have a dog in this fight. At all. I don't even know anyone in Raleigh. I just go by the feelings that are generated in my mind when I deeply consider a case like this. I would not be ashamed if I were proven to be wrong. Not at all. I think we are created to have the feelings that we have and that we each have them for a reason.

I am hoping that Cassidy will still have a father active in her life when this investigation is completed. I will always say that I see someone coming in through the unlocked crawlspace, up through an air return vent, into the house to kill Michelle, possilby for mocking them or telling on them. This would be a relatively young person, IMO. I would have to say that, in my own thoughts, that the weapon is a "sap", a semi-soft weight like police use. But it is available many places. Please forgive if I have offended.

Not every man is a Scott Peterson. In fact, most of them are not and I know this for a fact. Surely there are others out there who could attest to this. Don't you have fathers? Brothers? Husbands? Sons? If you do, then you can believe that Jason was far away when sweet Michelle and her baby boy were sent out of this prescence and into the next.

Goodnite all and may you all have more pleasant dreams than I!!!!!
Hi leann and welcome. I agree with you about JY not looking like he could kill anyone. I never thought Scott Peterson looked like a killer either, but in my gut I knew he killed Laci. I wish all killers and perverts looked like Charles Manson so we would be fore-warned. :) In any case the last I heard this was a discussion forum about this case-all thoughts welcome. I'd sure love to have some more facts though.

On another note, YAY for our own forum! Thanks to those that accomplished this!:blowkiss:

[Taximom]

Regarding the weapon. I don't have a clue as to what might have been used. The only thing I can reasonably offer is that IF JY planned this out, he surely would have thought of what weapon to use beforehand and had it ready.

I think you have to be very upset, scared or angry with someone to choose bashing them in the head in the middle of the night.

[Taximom]

Is it just my bad eyes or is Pt. 3 missing from our forum?:waitasec:

[Taximom]

I'm really confused about the "bruises shown to a baptist preacher" thing. What?! I have a few thoughts about that, but I'll keep them to myself until that's more than a rumor! :slap:

Free breakfast buffet at my home if y'all come back soon and post....

[raisincharlie]

Regarding the weapon. I don't have a clue as to what might have been used. The only thing I can reasonably offer is that IF JY planned this out, he surely would have thought of what weapon to use beforehand and had it ready.

I think you have to be very upset, scared or angry with someone to choose bashing them in the head in the middle of the night.

I'm going to have to go find this article but in short, there was a print article that said during college years JY spent summers near Brevard working as a guide for a white water rafting operation and also liked rock climbing. Lots of not so big tools and gadgets involved, possibilities perhaps. I'll see if I can find that again.

[Samiya]

I'll sit and wait while Charlie seeks the info...

Two on hand weapons immediately come to mind that are found in house and car, fast and easily accessable.

Hammer. Common household item, solid steel, most often found in garage. (Now if garage door was partly open enough for someone to slide underneath, then chances are there's a missing hammer from that garage). If it wasn't Jason then the perp would have to find the hammer...possibly making noise enough to attract Michelle's hearing if she wasn't in bed...enough for her to open the door to look into the garage...surprise attack from perp entering from garage. Ok she may suspect a rat in there digging around, but a murderer?)

A tyre iron......Again, solid steel fully portable and another good reason added amongst others to impound car under suspicion. Did they find a tyre iron in his car? If yes, was it recently washed/cleaned. If no, then where is it? (how the heck can he change a tyre without one)? I haven't seen many cars whose owner doesn't have one of these babies on board.

Michelle may well have still been up at 11pm if that's when Jason called. If her friends had coffee etc, by the time she saw them out, said their goodbyes, went inside to tidy up lounge wash coffee cups and possibly dinner dishes if she hadn't done them prior to their arrival...it would've been around 11 or thereafter. She may also have had a shower within that timeframe. Jason may also have told her that he'd ring at 11 no matter if he was at a motel or still on the road.

[Taximom]

I'll sit and wait while Charlie seeks the info...

Two on hand weapons immediately come to mind that are found in house and car, fast and easily accessable.

Hammer. Common household item, solid steel, most often found in garage. (Now if garage door was partly open enough for someone to slide underneath, then chances are there's a missing hammer from that garage). If it wasn't Jason then the perp would have to find the hammer...possibly making noise enough to attract Michelle's hearing if she wasn't in bed...enough for her to open the door to look into the garage...surprise attack from perp entering from garage. Ok she may suspect a rat in there digging around, but a murderer?)

A tyre iron......Again, solid steel fully portable and another good reason added amongst others to impound car under suspicion. Did they find a tyre iron in his car? If yes, was it recently washed/cleaned. If no, then where is it? (how the heck can he change a tyre without one)? I haven't seen many cars whose owner doesn't have one of these babies on board.

Michelle may well have still been up at 11pm if that's when Jason called. If her friends had coffee etc, by the time she saw them out, said their goodbyes, went inside to tidy up lounge wash coffee cups and possibly dinner dishes if she hadn't done them prior to their arrival...it would've been around 11 or thereafter. She may also have had a shower within that timeframe. Jason may also have told her that he'd ring at 11 no matter if he was at a motel or still on the road.
I thinking golf club or baseball bat as well as a tire iron. IF I were planning something like this, I would want to insure that one hit would do it and that I wouldn't have to get that close to the person. (shuddering at the thought though) I'm sure there are rock-climbing tools that might be the appropriate size and weight too.

Whatever I would choose in this situation is something that can be cleaned up real well and tossed somewhere. That might rule out a baseball bat because it might leave wood fibers, and be hard to clean.

Eh, I don't want to think like this!

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hi all ...<<< waves >>>. Just did the Rescue 911 Food Patrol on all my kitties outside, lol. What a job.

There are any number of items for blunt force bludgeoning that can be found at home ... strach earlier mentioned a car-jack (I think it was strach, lol)

A mallet
A hatchet/axe
A solid wooden handle for the above
An iron bar/pole - this could be from anything, from a garden stake to a batton, gymnasium-equipment ... endless..
Baseball bat
Garden eqipment
A heavy lamp base (ornament, vase, candle stand...)

Taximom, I often wondered if ISP used a golf iron!

[SewingDeb]

I'm really confused about the "bruises shown to a baptist preacher" thing. What?! I have a few thoughts about that, but I'll keep them to myself until that's more than a rumor! :slap:

Free breakfast buffet at my home if y'all come back soon and post....

Am I too late for the breakfast buffet? Can't stay long but can't stay away...lol.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hi leann and welcome. I agree with you about JY not looking like he could kill anyone. I never thought Scott Peterson looked like a killer either, but in my gut I knew he killed Laci. I wish all killers and perverts looked like Charles Manson so we would be fore-warned. :) In any case the last I heard this was a discussion forum about this case-all thoughts welcome. I'd sure love to have some more facts though.

On another note, YAY for our own forum! Thanks to those that accomplished this!:blowkiss:

Hi Taximom!! :)

Few days ago I was watching Oprah (one of her programs on the campaign to catch Wanted predators) ... Her guests, professional advisors and audience all agreed: if these people LOOKED like they might be killers or violent offenders - people would run a mile. Look at the professions, images and pre-murder days of Capano, Michael Peterson, Scott, Hacking, Barber, Shawn bently, Chris Porco ... and so on.

They all look/ed like the guy living in a good home on your own street.

I have a lil feeling scandi, fran and jeana were behind the new forum, lol! Oh, a few mile long threads helped, too, Taximim. Great news... It became an effort hunting for the maps, the lists, the links and .... that dang tape, heh... :)

[Samiya]

if these people LOOKED like they might be killers or violent offenders - people would run a mile. Look at the professions, images and pre-murder days of Capano, Michael Peterson, Scott, Hacking, Barber, Shawn bently, Chris Porco ... and so on.

:)Funny.....having studied the Mafia extensively, I found quite a number of them (lol this was a discussion with my husband and a test) were guys I'd go out with...some are/were handsome devils....

ok.. I sentence myself to one strong coffee, two :banghead: :banghead: and serious therapy in learning how to choose boyfriend material!

[strach304]

Not a jack PSA a tire iron. Some people actually keep them beside their seat for protection if someone tries to car jack them.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Funny.....having studied the Mafia extensively, I found quite a number of them (lol this was a discussion with my husband and a test) were guys I'd go out with...some are/were handsome devils....

ok.. I sentence myself to one strong coffee, two :banghead: :banghead: and serious therapy in learning how to choose boyfriend material!

As an accomplice, Sami - make that two coffees! :crazy:

Only once was I in a relationship that made me verrry uncomfortable, between divorces, around 14 years ago: It was a brief relationship - but he wasn't happy with ME ending the relationship and would pull up outside my home, park ... and wait... After one too many incidents, I called the police and he backed off. Good looking, tall, sporty - all the moms, grannies, nurses, kids liked him ... a travellin salesman (pharmaceuticals). I always got a 'strange feeling' abut him - too smooth - to explain why would be too personal, but my gut instinct told me this was one guy that my genepool rejected! And he didn't like it...

I have flash-backs of X ONLY when I see Leonardo di Cap in certain character shots and pics...

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Not a jack PSA a tire iron. Some people actually keep them beside their seat for protection if someone tries to car jack them.

OK .. thanks, strach. Just shows I call the whole skidgi-madoo that fixes tyres a Jack, lol. I know what you mean - the iron rod thing. LOL. Thanks for the clarification, strach. God, I wouldn't want to be hit by one of those.

There was a case in UK a few years back where a professional, decent, respected father was acused & convicted of killing his adopted daughter with a metal tent peg! So the options are wide-ranging... His wife and 2 (bio) dau's went to live in new Zealand. I last know his case went on appeal: nevertheless, that was the murder weapon!

[close_enough]

good morning all & good evening to you Polk:)

Michelle's forum is shaping up :)
got coffee brewing here....

[Floh]

OK .. thanks, strach. Just shows I call the whole skidgi-madoo that fixes tyres a Jack, lol. I know what you mean - the iron rod thing. LOL. Thanks for the clarification, strach. God, I wouldn't want to be hit by one of those.

There was a case in UK a few years back where a professional, decent, respected father was acused & convicted of killing his adopted daughter with a metal tent peg! So the options are wide-ranging... His wife and 2 (bio) dau's went to live in new Zealand. I last know his case went on appeal: nevertheless, that was the murder weapon!

"On 9 February 2006, after two appeals and three trials Siôn Jenkins was acquitted of murder. He had spent six years in prison."

http://www.justiceforsionjenkins.org.uk/

Just found this on a google hunt. i had thought he'd finally been acquitted.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

"On 9 February 2006, after two appeals and three trials Siôn Jenkins was acquitted of murder. He had spent six years in prison."

http://www.justiceforsionjenkins.org.uk/

Just found this on a google hunt. i had thought he'd finally been acquitted.


THANKS floh!!! :D I knew there was an appeal, but didn't follow up. It was something like 3 trials he went through, right?

The murder weapon was allegedly the tent peg! How absolutely awful..

[packerdog]

Great to see we have our own forum. Now all we need is more news.

[raisincharlie]

For all of you about to be hit by this nasty storm coming into the midwest - be prepared - get things to stay warm with, candles, flashlights and such. Lots of water and food stuffs that can be fixed without power.

This is a monster - expecting rain turning to freezing rain and lots of ice - means power lines are going to come down, followed by 6 -12 inches of snow (at least in my neck of the woods). So get ready - stay as warm as you can and don't forget your pets. Hope everyone makes it through okay !


Sorry off topic but rather important !

[close_enough]

Leann...i think JY did this, but i'd certainly be happy to find out that he didn't...

[SewingDeb]

Don't forget poker for the fireplace.

[raisincharlie]

Don't forget poker for the fireplace.

That might just be what is "missing".

[packerdog]

Don't forget poker for the fireplace.

Oh Yes sewingDeb! Just like M Peterson. I wonder if jason followed that case.

[close_enough]

Hi Close! Thanks for bringing that link over. Do you know if it's normal for the CSIs to be in the house for "more than 10 days"? Maybe the murder didn't start and end in the bedroom afterall. Whatever...sounds like they're being very thorough.

Like others, the reference to "If and when we make the arrest...." stood out for me too. This could eliminate anything to do with a hit - do ya think? It sounds to me like he might have been speaking directly to JY.

hi jilly:)

i have no idea what's considered 'standard' for the length of time CSI's are at crime scenes....good question, but 10 days does seem like a long time....good point about it not just being in the bedroom....i would think they would print just about everything from different rooms....all points of entry/exits, etc.....checking for another person's blood, maybe mixed with Michelles, stuff like that?

yeah...i noticed the word "the" also....& agree, it was like he was talking directly to JY.....

[Beta]

[QUOTE]A thought I immediately had the first day was if I walked into a house and found a murdered woman, I would immediately pick up that child and leave the house for fear the murderer would still be there. Scandi[QUOTE]
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THANK YOU SCANDI!! I couldn't stop thinking about that and was surprised no one else mentioned it. I too believe that if I walked into the house and it didn't look as it usually does and I found a relative bludgeoned, I would grab the kid and high tail it outta there from fear. Even if it were someone I care about, I still think that my natural reaction would be fear that someone bad might still be there. I would have called 911 from my cell or from a neighbor. IMO, I think Meredith was in shock and therefore didn't respond to the potential danger.

[jilly]

Free breakfast buffet at my home if y'all come back soon and post....

I'm moving in Taxi! Seems you do breakfast and dinner!:D

[fran]

As an accomplice, Sami - make that two coffees! :crazy:

Only once was I in a relationship that made me verrry uncomfortable, between divorces, around 14 years ago: It was a brief relationship - but he wasn't happy with ME ending the relationship and would pull up outside my home, park ... and wait... After one too many incidents, I called the police and he backed off. Good looking, tall, sporty - all the moms, grannies, nurses, kids liked him ... a travellin salesman (pharmaceuticals). I always got a 'strange feeling' abut him - too smooth - to explain why would be too personal, but my gut instinct told me this was one guy that my genepool rejected! And he didn't like it...

I have flash-backs of X ONLY when I see Leonardo di Cap in certain character shots and pics...

Even while fully engrossed in the SP and LP case, one of our daughters started dating a guy we absolutely loved. He was the first guy any of our four daughters had brought home we could relate to.

To make a long story short, ..................he wasn't at all who he said he was. Turned out to be an SP 'like' in training.

Liar, cheater, and fortunately because she lived too far away, only a stalker by phone and emails. It didn't stop until our daughter called his parents and they had to put a stop to it!

Very scary......and you'd think we'd learned how to spot 'em. Nope. We fell for it again with another daughters bf. He just didn't turn out to be a stalker after the fact. Just a lot of secrets and lies.

So, anyone else think Jason's wearing sunglasses while in public could be equivilant to SP wearing a baseball cap before his gf came forward? :cool:

JMHO
fran

[close_enough]

PolkSaladAnnie, I hope the gators didn't get your Granny. I most heartedly agree with everything that you said and that you hoped for. None of us would want the Father to be guilty. But we never can tell.

As a frequent visitor of the Myrtles and the Inn where Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise stayed as guests during the making of "Interview with the Vampire", I understand where you are coming from. I, even though I am christened a christian, often wonder aloud and silently about life and death.

Can you believe, though I live in a normal house, that my neighbor just called and asked that I turn down the stereo (Portishead)? I'm 41 and I can't believe that. I called right back and asked if everything was okay now and if they could hear when I flushed the toilet (LOL). I'm a stinker, ain't I?

Are you the one who had the grandmother who was so accurate in saying what was going to happen in the future? Maybe that was the poster w/the extremely french name. Either way, I can't discount either.

You see, I'm adopted and my mother came to Tennessee from New Orleans to give birth to me, her third child. She asked that I be placed in a "Christian" household. And I've raised my share of hell, for sure. Since 1966, that is. She tried her best, and when ever I think of her, I can feel a cold feeling going down my spine, like she is pacing back and forth on her hardwood floor. She left me with many thing, PSA, that my adopted parents never taught me. They used to say (I would put my head against their door at night) "where did she get that? It didn't come from us. Where did she learn those things?" Nowadays, it makes me laugh. Good is good and evil is evil.

So, IMHO only, Jason didn't kill his wife. If those who believe he did are correct, I promise I will no longer post on WS. And I always keep my promises.

Memphis wants Louisiana to know that we love our sister!!!! Especially the grand city herself, New Orleans. Even the LaLaurie House and all the horrors hidden within.

Llannappe and so for.....JMO

i'm with Polk on this....you don't HAVE to think that JY murdered Michelle....actually there's more 'on the fence' than not, so all is good Leann....that's how it's suppose to be....different theories & all.....you need to scratch that promise right now!!

btw, interesting life story:)
hang around & we'll see how this comes out in the end....either way, & i don't think i'm out of line for speaking for everyone here, we all want justice for Michelle....

[close_enough]

Don't quote me on this but I think that Michelle was Catholic. JY would be a good candidate for Baptist being from western NC. Don't know about their church habits but I don't see any man going to a minister to show bruises to a minister. Just my opinion though.

I am having a hard time buying into the New York connection for LE. I know Michelle has family and high school friends there but she had been in NC since the mid 90's. She was very involved in her sorority and made so many close friends in college. It was one big group of girls that spent most of their time together. They are still very close and I know that this is completely off topic but thought you guys might want to know that they are making a scrapbook for Cassidy. They won't let her forget her mom.

The earlier posters from NY didn't know Jason. Some had met once or twice but I don't know how that would be that helpful to LE. I would be more inclined to beleive that LE is looking into his sales territory or looking at (RUMOR ALERT) possible affairs. I tend to believe this would be rather easy to find out by looking at phone records and or email. Certainly anyone he kept in close contact with via phone or email would be interviewed by LE.

good point made there Pack....his sales territory could be 3 other states outside of NC....VA being one of them...

[SewingDeb]

That might just be what is "missing".

Good thought Charlie.

[close_enough]

Even while fully engrossed in the SP and LP case, one of our daughters started dating a guy we absolutely loved. He was the first guy any of our four daughters had brought home we could relate to.

To make a long story short, ..................he wasn't at all who he said he was. Turned out to be an SP 'like' in training.

Liar, cheater, and fortunately because she lived too far away, only a stalker by phone and emails. It didn't stop until our daughter called his parents and they had to put a stop to it!

Very scary......and you'd think we'd learned how to spot 'em. Nope. We fell for it again with another daughters bf. He just didn't turn out to be a stalker after the fact. Just a lot of secrets and lies.

So, anyone else think Jason's wearing sunglasses while in public could be equivilant to SP wearing a baseball cap before his gf came forward? :cool:

JMHO
fran

yep yep...good point Fran...we just never REALLY know a person.....people can hide so many things about themselves, especially at first meeting....it IS very scary....

[close_enough]

Don't forget poker for the fireplace.

yep, a blow-poke...(shivers)

i've read the words "beaten to death", "blunt force trauma" & "violent".....that's ONE thing that makes me think this wasn't murder for hire...

in my own mind, a murder for hire would be a gun shot to the head, or even strangulation, but not violent beating...

[Taximom]

(making sandwiches for lunch because I'm too tired!)

Leann, I meant to say back in my original post to you that I would definitely be sitting on that "fence" if JY was openly working with the police (ok, even privately) to solve the murder of his beloved wife who happened to be pregnant with his son.

The fact that the sheriff as of a week ago could only say that they had spoken with JY for approx. 15 minutes speaks volumes to me that JY already knows who murdered MY. :(

[jilly]

Sorry, had to delete the last message and rephrase. I feel very sorry for MY's family and I know it is breaking their hearts not to be able to be around Cassidy. I think there is more to it than meets the eye. JY isn't isolating Cassidy to be mean, or heartless, or spiteful. Let's just say that there could be a reason that they weren't hugging and sitting next to one another at the funeral. JMHO.

Interesting....and I know you don't want to elaborate (for good reason). It just prompts me to speculate that maybe MY's family didn't have much use for JY prior to this happening. Either that or they pointed the finger at him after the murder.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Very scary......and you'd think we'd learned how to spot 'em. Nope. We fell for it again with another daughters bf. He just didn't turn out to be a stalker after the fact. Just a lot of secrets and lies.

So, anyone else think Jason's wearing sunglasses while in public could be equivilant to SP wearing a baseball cap before his gf came forward? :cool:

JMHO
fran

Hey, fran ... We'll generally never spot 'em - but you know, sometimes mom and dad sense 'something' before their daughters do. Unless of course, it's hindsight that comes to light after the fact.

Here's hoping your daughters have 'passed go, collected 200 and got out of these types for FREE!'

To me, it's not so much his looks - it's his actions ...

[close_enough]

Interesting....and I know you don't want to elaborate (for good reason). It just prompts me to speculate that maybe MY's family didn't have much use for JY prior to this happening. Either that or they pointed the finger at him after the murder.

could very well be, jilly......i hadn't thought of that

[lviola]

Hi leann and welcome. I agree with you about JY not looking like he could kill anyone. I never thought Scott Peterson looked like a killer either, but in my gut I knew he killed Laci. I wish all killers and perverts looked like Charles Manson so we would be fore-warned. :) In any case the last I heard this was a discussion forum about this case-all thoughts welcome. I'd sure love to have some more facts though.

On another note, YAY for our own forum! Thanks to those that accomplished this!:blowkiss:
Totally agree with you. I never thought Scott Peterson looked like a killer either but had that feeling.

[fran]

Hey, fran ... We'll generally never spot 'em - but you know, sometimes mom and dad sense 'something' before their daughters do. Unless of course, it's hindsight that comes to light after the fact.

Here's hoping your daughters have 'passed go, collected 200 and got out of these types for FREE!'

To me, it's not so much his looks - it's his actions ...

That's just it, we, the parents, never saw it coming. :slap:

The first one, it took the break-up for his 'true self' to be revealed.

The second one was our daughter found out from the 'other' that he was cheating and lying to her.

Live and learn I guess. All four of my dauthers are single. OhMyGoodness.... :waitasec: ...........I'll just have to leave it up to them. :rolleyes:

fran

[Taximom]

That's just it, we, the parents, never saw it coming. :slap:

The first one, it took the break-up for his 'true self' to be revealed.

The second one was our daughter found out from the 'other' that he was cheating and lying to her.

Live and learn I guess. All four of my dauthers are single. OhMyGoodness.... :waitasec: ...........I'll just have to leave it up to them. :rolleyes:

fran
And then you have the daughter who has parents that totally see what an idiot the boyfriend is, but said daughter falls in love (blindly), marries (despite many warnings), has a sweet baby, and eventually divorces the prince-turned-idiot realizing she should have listened to those that love her in the first place. (This sadly accounts for 10 years out of my life!):crazy:

Fran, you said it: Live and learn!

[PolkSaladAnnie]

That's just it, we, the parents, never saw it coming. :slap:

The first one, it took the break-up for his 'true self' to be revealed.

The second one was our daughter found out from the 'other' that he was cheating and lying to her.

Live and learn I guess. All four of my dauthers are single. OhMyGoodness.... :waitasec: ...........I'll just have to leave it up to them. :rolleyes:

fran

Lol, frannie.

4 single daughters ....?

Y'know: there'll be a Mr. D'Arcy for each of them: best not rush and be sure, sure, sure. Life's experiences add to the thickening of the marriage pot! Just scratch boats and leather-purses off any Christmasgift lists, okay??

Lol :)

[PolkSaladAnnie]

And then you have the daughter who has parents that totally see what an idiot the boyfriend is, but said daughter falls in love (blindly), marries (despite many warnings), has a sweet baby, and eventually divorces the prince-turned-idiot realizing she should have listened to those that love her in the first place. (This sadly accounts for 10 years out of my life!):crazy:

Fran, you said it: Live and learn!

Ag, Taximom! 10 years, eh. I was with my first huz for 14 (10 married) then 10 single ... and spent 7 with my 2nd huz. Indirectly, having no children lessened the animosity - he eventually married his PA; we closed that chapter with whatever feelings and memories were buried in it.

Look at you now, gal! Sports fan extraordinaire and taxiing the Brady Bunch around, eh? Lol :)

[Taximom]

Ag, Taximom! 10 years, eh. I was with my first huz for 14 (10 married) then 10 single ... and spent 7 with my 2nd huz. Indirectly, having no children lessened the animosity - he eventually married his PA; we closed that chapter with whatever feelings and memories were buried in it.

Look at you now, gal! Sports fan extraordinaire and taxiing the Brady Bunch around, eh? Lol :)
You always make me laugh, PSA. Second time around I listened to my mom! lol :)

What's a "PA"?

[scandi]

Interesting....and I know you don't want to elaborate (for good reason). It just prompts me to speculate that maybe MY's family didn't have much use for JY prior to this happening. Either that or they pointed the finger at him after the murder.

Hi Jilly! You and everyone here this morning are going like gangbusters with thinking caps in perfect place. :cool: One advantage we had for a short time was reading posts from several Raleighites at CTV until that stopped short about a week ago. Sure, some of what we learned could be classified in the red herring category, but I think some truths were told as well, which is why it might have been stopped. We do have Pack_fan here now who is from Raleigh and I really enjoy his/her words and enthusiasm.

I did read from one of them that Michelles parents - well maybe mom, didn't get along well with JY. And also that both Meredith and her mom believe JY is guilty.

The other thing I read is that a friend of Michelles stated she knew Michelle wasn't hit in the face because the funeral was open casket. Lean {Hi Sweetie, It's great to see you here!}, since I had read that I thought it might be interesting to you.

I spent most of yesterday here :doh: , with great purpose and enjoyment I might say, but today I have to work from 1-5:30 or my paycheck will indeed be bleak. LOL I might pop in occasionally however. Like Pack_fan said last night, it is sometimes hard to pull oneself away when things are so interesting, and you always want to just check back quick-like before signing off to see if there is anything hot and new off the press. :rolleyes: YaYa

See everyone tonight! Scandi

PS: Our forum is developing WONDERFULLY! :woohoo:

[Taximom]

Hi Jilly! You and everyone here this morning are going like gangbusters with thinking caps in perfect place. :cool: One advantage we had for a short time was reading posts from several Raleighites at CTV until that stopped short about a week ago. Sure, some of what we learned could be classified in the red herring category, but I think some truths were told as well, which is why it might have been stopped. We do have Pack_fan here now who is from Raleigh and I really enjoy his/her words and enthusiasm.

I did read from one of them that Michelles parents - well maybe mom, didn't get along well with JY. And also that both Meredith and her mom believe JY is guilty.

The other thing I read is that a friend of Michelles stated she knew Michelle wasn't hit in the face because the funeral was open casket. Lean {Hi Sweetie, It's great to see you here!}, since I had read that I thought it might be interesting to you.

I spent most of yesterday here :doh: , with great purpose and enjoyment I might say, but today I have to work from 1-5:30 or my paycheck will indeed be bleak. LOL I might pop in occasionally however. Like Pack_fan said last night, it is sometimes hard to pull oneself away when things are so interesting, and you always want to just check back quick-like before signing off to see if there is anything hot and new off the press. :rolleyes: YaYa

See everyone tonight! Scandi

PS: Our forum is developing WONDERFULLY! :woohoo:
See you soon, Scandi. Don't work TOO hard. :)

[Bee Charmer]

A few thoughts:

1. Murder weapon. I wonder if the master bedroom had a fireplace.
If so, perhaps one of the fireplace tools was used. I have a feeling
LE has the murder weapon because there were no searches of the
outside perimeter, that I know of in this case. Course I could have
missed it.

2. The previous accident when Michele was pregnant. Then she
gets pregnant again and winds up dead. Too coincidental for me.
I suspect something malevolent.

3. LE is not requesting the public's assistance and have stated that
they have much data and information they are following up on. I
take that to mean it's only a matter of time before they connect all
the dots and make an arrest. IMO, the person they arrest will be JY.

[strach304]

Bee Charmer, the fireplace is brilliant imo :clap:
I've tried several times to imagine something that was already in the bedroom was used as the weapon and that very well could be it.

[peepers20056]

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR INVINTING to join in on the group's disscusion's and sleuthing. I have wanted to for sometime but just a little nervouse. I will do just that . I am worried about Polksaladannie She was upset about another thread awhile ago.Iknow how she feel'sI have barfed atime or two myselfon the crimes some people can do. So now I pray each time for for the victimes. asmuch aspainful it is to read I tell myself it is worse to buryour heaads & hearts in the sand that is my honest opion.THANK'S again Iam hEEEEEEEERE':dance: :dance: :blowkiss: Peepers20056

[scandi]

Totally agreed Strach, it was a brilliant deduction!

Wonder if he washed it off and put it back? A lot of people are not saavy as to how blood can still be there even if not seen. It would save him being caught with it until he ditched it. And the M Peterson case was close by, right. and maybe he remembered that's what Michael used. That's a real stretch. :confused:

Nope, I think he wrapped it up in a towel he grabbed from the master bath that would be bloody. Whatever he used would be a mess if he hit her several times. And knowing that Dr Baden said the brain was damaged in the attack tells me it not only had a lot of blood and tissue and hair on it, but brain matter as well.

Another thought while I'm here. His friend Ryan Schaat is an interesting guy. His web page mentions 'blogs', and since these guys had been friends since college days, I wonder if Jason as well was into reading and posting on blogs.

I do have a feeling that JTF could have been Jason himself. The first few weeks he had not a lot to do I think, and might have spent time at the computer somewhere in Bravard. Then I think he realized most people were very suspicious of him plus he had a disagreement with a poster at CTV and the attorney got clued in and stopped it. Lots of holes there, but just a thought.

Simply awful to think about. Scandi

[raisincharlie]

Thought this might be worthy of note


Coldwater has issued a warning at CTV - be careful about opening links you are unsure of. Apparently there have been some reports of viruses and some other odd happenings after opening some links.

Be careful folks - some wierd stuff going on.

RC

[scandi]

Thanks Charlie xoxo The Lord knows none of us need to deal with that!

[peepers20056]

OOOOOOKAY. WHEN THE ZIZZLE.COOL'DOWN ON COMPUTER. I wiill be BAAAAAUK. OLEY BRAVO.POLKSALADANNIE. IKNEW tHIS WOULD BE AHOT NIGHT. YEEEEES:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[fran]

Thought this might be worthy of note


Coldwater has issued a warning at CTV - be careful about opening links you are unsure of. Apparently there have been some reports of viruses and some other odd happenings after opening some links.

Be careful folks - some wierd stuff going on.

RC


Is this what they call 'revenge of the nerds,' ie computer geeks?! :slap:

Thanks for the warning raisincharlie.

fran

[raisincharlie]

Is this what they call 'revenge of the nerds,' ie computer geeks?! :slap:

Thanks for the warning raisincharlie.

fran

Thanks for saying what I was thinking but didn't want to say.:D

Has anyone seen the likes of what appears to be going on - or is this just a coincidence ? I mean really, posts being deleted on forums for whatever reason, now viruses popping up. I've only followed acouple of other cases this close but I sure don't remember all this kind of stuff going on. Seems to me there are some nerds on overtime with respect to the Michelle Young case.

[fran]

Thanks for saying what I was thinking but didn't want to say.:D

Has anyone seen the likes of what appears to be going on - or is this just a coincidence ? I mean really, posts being deleted on forums for whatever reason, now viruses popping up. I've only followed acouple of other cases this close but I sure don't remember all this kind of stuff going on. Seems to me there are some nerds on overtime with respect to the Michelle Young case.

It does make you wonder! :eek:

fran

[raisincharlie]

It does make you wonder! :eek:

fran
Yes, it does.

I should clarify - it seems CW has posted that warning on every forum so it may or may not be related to only one forum. Just bizarre.

[jilly]

Hi Jilly! You and everyone here this morning are going like gangbusters with thinking caps in perfect place. :cool: One advantage we had for a short time was reading posts from several Raleighites at CTV until that stopped short about a week ago. Sure, some of what we learned could be classified in the red herring category, but I think some truths were told as well, which is why it might have been stopped. We do have Pack_fan here now who is from Raleigh and I really enjoy his/her words and enthusiasm.

I did read from one of them that Michelles parents - well maybe mom, didn't get along well with JY. And also that both Meredith and her mom believe JY is guilty.

The other thing I read is that a friend of Michelles stated she knew Michelle wasn't hit in the face because the funeral was open casket. Lean {Hi Sweetie, It's great to see you here!}, since I had read that I thought it might be interesting to you.

:

I kinda snuck over to CTV the other day, read for a few minutes and high-tailed out of there. Hadn't been there since the SP days and it gave me the creeps being back there again. I used to love Miss Crabapple & when she was banned for the final time (can't remember her other hat) I lost interest. I had great respect for Hank too. Are they still there (under some other hat) do you know?

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hi guys - BeeCharmer - the fire poker is a very good thought!

Charlie - thanks for the virus heads-up Heaven forbid, I've had my fair shre of those!)

Hello jilly :) Gosh, I remember Miss Crabapple and HanktotheBank, too. Hank joined here, no? I haven't read CTV recently. Are temperatures rising, lol?

Scandi - as for JTF being JY under cover ... I also thought that! I was loathed to say as much, but I found the explanantions and reasons just way to 'detailed'. When JTF justified the 'accident' in absolutel detail - it was almost as if JTF was actually in the car. That's when I thought: JTF??? WT ...? JTF justified actions - not the logic. And, now that we're 'opening up', I have reservations about CanadianGirl - did all along ... again: jmho...

[Samiya]

And then you have the daughter who has parents that totally see what an idiot the boyfriend is, but said daughter falls in love (blindly), marries (despite many warnings), has a sweet baby, and eventually divorces the prince-turned-idiot realizing she should have listened to those that love her in the first place. (This sadly accounts for 10 years out of my life!):crazy:

My daughter was with the same guy(he was her age, they went to school together) from age 16 to 19. I always thought something was up with him but thought I was being an overprotective mom (you know, no one's good enough for MY daugher) but she always seemed happy go lucky and he was always smiling and joking around with her. 4 years later on a Wenesday morning her boss rang me.

He had thrown her across the room the night before. She made no calls to me or her stepfather whom she's very close to, for help.

This is how it was.....

Daughter was having her 'time of the month' (yeah eeewww I know). She had ran out of tampons and wanted him to take her to her friends place (9:30pm) so she could get some from her until morning. He said no, she said "then I'll walk over".

His response was to grab her, shake her, tell her she wasn't going "f*ing" anywhere without him then sling her across the room onto the coffee table, then dragged her up again by the arm and threw her up against the wall.

All that over her needing tampons!!

Both her arms had severe bruising and lacerations. She had another laceration on the side of her neck and from the middle of her back right up to the top of her neck along her spine was black from bruising with one area of bruising reaching out along her right shoulderblade.

This was after 4 years of no such events and this was happy go lucky couple. He never once apologised. She left him, picked up the pieces and continued her life. She never had him charged, never reported the incident because she was scared to death of him from that moment on. He has a new girlfriend and my daughter is scared to death for that girl.

He in turn told his mother, step father and sisters that MY daughter beat HIM up!

[scandi]

Hi Annie,

Yes, CanadianGirl started posting about 1 day after JTF did. Now I see her posting over at Loretta's and they seem to accept her.

Oh Jimminy Cricket, I have to remember who posted this today {Pnowq that we have so many threads we can't just go whiz back and take a look-see real quick like. LOL But the poster said meant that often guilty people say things ahead of when they should. Bring up something out of the blue and give an answer or reeason for it when nobody knows about it yet so there is no need.

When I read that today it brought me back to cases I've studied and how it was always a red flag to guilt when they did this. So I immediatly thought of JTF's first post and then the long post, where he said he was correcting misinformation but brought up other things as well. Just correcting these things was a red flag when LE had not given out the information officialy. Like the 11pm call!~

I think it was our Fran who brought that statement out. And it is so true.

Scandi

[Samiya]

Actually the firepoker isn't a bad thought at all. The house at 5108 Birchleaf Dr in the property details does have a fireplace.

"D'oh Samiya" says Homer Simpson

[jilly]

Hi guys - BeeCharmer - the fire poker is a very good thought!

Charlie - thanks for the virus heads-up Heaven forbid, I've had my fair shre of those!)

Hello jilly :) Gosh, I remember Miss Crabapple and HanktotheBank, too. Hank joined here, no? I haven't read CTV recently. Are temperatures rising, lol?

Scandi - as for JTF being JY under cover ... I also thought that! I was loathed to say as much, but I found the explanantions and reasons just way to 'detailed'. When JTF justified the 'accident' in absolutel detail - it was almost as if JTF was actually in the car. That's when I thought: JTF??? WT ...? JTF justified actions - not the logic. And, now that we're 'opening up', I have reservations about CanadianGirl - did all along ... again: jmho...


Hi Annie! :) Yes Hank did join here but he didn't post all that much. I think he might have been exhausted from fighting off all the trolls over there. I only read CTV for a few minutes - I don't like the tone - more of your jockeying, ya know?

Speaking of other members, I remember there being a JTF here so I looked and s/he's still a member. I thought it was an unusual hat so wondering if it's the same person.

[scandi]

Actually the firepoker isn't a bad thought at all. The house at 5108 Birchleaf Dr in the property details does have a fireplace.

"D'oh Samiya" says Homer Simpson

Now Homer, be nice to her. Is there a fireplace upstairs? LOL


Scandi

[jilly]

Actually the firepoker isn't a bad thought at all. The house at 5108 Birchleaf Dr in the property details does have a fireplace.

"D'oh Samiya" says Homer Simpson

Do you have a photo of the house Samiya? I've been looking all over tonite so as to see where the chimney is located. Do we have a layout of the house somewhere here as well?

[scandi]

I just heard Bill O'Reiley say the word Jaberwocky - meaningless talk.

So I would say that when guilty parties give advance information before they need to it should be called Blabberwocky! :D



Scandi

PS: Actually one of my fav songs by The Alan Parsons Project YaYa

[scandi]

Hi Annie! :) Yes Hank did join here but he didn't post all that much. I think he might have been exhausted from fighting off all the trolls over there. I only read CTV for a few minutes - I don't like the tone - more of your jockeying, ya know?

Speaking of other members, I remember there being a JTF here so I looked and s/he's still a member. I thought it was an unusual hat so wondering if it's the same person.


Thank you Jilly! Interesting JTF doesn't post anymore but retains his membership. :rolleyes: Guess he thinks he did his job.

I think Hank posted here for a while when they closed down CTV for a major cleanup period. But Miss Crabapple, wasn't that our Timex? Crabapple was greeeeeat during the SP case. I never missed a post of hers.


Scandi

[jilly]

Thank you Jilly! Interesting JTF doesn't post anymore but retains his membership. :rolleyes: Guess he thinks he did his job.

I think Hank posted here for a while when they closed down CTV for a major cleanup period. But Miss Crabapple, wasn't that our Timex? Crabapple was greeeeeat during the SP case. I never missed a post of hers.


Scandi

OMG!!!!! Scandi!! Was it REALLY??? Oh wow! I never knew and never would have guessed!! Thank you! for telling me.