The Fax vs Printout. What was it?

[PolkSaladAnnie]

In the first reports LE quoted Meredith as saying JY asked Meredith to call by and collect a fax that he didn't want MY to see. Meredith gladly obliged, arriving shortly before 1:30 (If we take the 911 call as an interim timeline...)

Posters claiming to be "in the know" claim it was not a fax - it was a printout.

We ask WHY, on Friday 3rd November, was JY so involved in a gift that required all these calls, faxing, documentation, ordering, etc when he was supposed to be either in his car or on a business trip?

What was so vital that JYmade this 'first time ever' call to Meredith?

Insiders claim it was for a leather purse - an anniversary present.

BUT: their anniversary was in October, the previous month.

Michelle's birthday fell on 17 Feb 1977

.... And Christmas was still some 7 odd weeks away when murder happened.

[fran]

I don't think Melinda would make a mistake between computer print out and fax. Either the friends aren't friends and just trolls letting out misinformation, or there was no fax and Jason thought of a print out he had laying around to complete the lie (when the fax thing became a big deal).

JMHO
fran

[Boyz_Mum]

Since we haven't heard any proof that a fax/printout really exists, it's hard to confirm anything. One of my first questions would be at what time did JY call Meredith to retrieve the fax? He could have called her in the morning but she could have been delayed until the time in the afternoon when she called 911? The only other question I have regarding a fax or printout is that I "assume" that JY would carry a laptop as part of his salesjob?

This fax/printout was the first thing that seemed odd. (IMO)

[Samiya]

It can be termed as both, but as has been stated time and time again it was a FAX, which means a fax sent to a standalone fax machine, not a computer. My computer is set up to be a fax machine and I have a standalone fax machine.

If someone sends me a fax, it is received by my computer and is printed out by my computer's printer. Therefore it can be termed either as a fax or a 'printout'.

The difference between using my computer as a fax machine and having a stand alone fax machine is that to receive a fax (when I was on dialup) the internet must be disconnected or it would fail in sending. However, I now have broadband and I can receive a fax while online as the fax data comes through the phone line, not the broadband data line. In this case and in statement 1 below....my computer at home AND my printer must be ON.

1 I can activate a printout to my computer from my laptop....But I must have the file IN my laptop to be able to send it to my computer. (But why would I bother to send a fax to my house when I have it on my laptop anyway)

2 I can also send a fax from my laptop to my fax machine...all it takes is to plug my laptop into a phone line....but again, I have to have the document in MY laptop. (But again......why would I bother to send a fax to my house when I have it on my laptop anyway)

If I am on my computer I disable fax mode so my standalone fax will receive it instead....lol there's nothing worse than receiving a fax through my computer at 2 am so that the printer starts up of it's own accord and scares the bejeezuz out of me!

So the question that needs to be answered here is WHO sent the fax. Jason or someone else.

Meredith has a computer and the internet. We all know that from her still maintained MySpace page. If he sent the 'fax' from his laptop (which means he has it in his laptop as a file) to his house, it was to get poor Meredith over there to find Michelle...........Otherwise he would've just sent the file to her via email...and no-one can tell me that he wouldn't have his sister in laws email address.

[j2mirish]

In the first reports LE quoted Meredith as saying JY asked Meredith to call by and collect a fax that he didn't want MY to see. Meredith gladly obliged, arriving shortly before 1:30 (If we take the 911 call as an interim timeline...)

Posters claiming to be "in the know" claim it was not a fax - it was a printout.

We ask WHY, on Friday 3rd November, was JY so involved in a gift that required all these calls, faxing, documentation, ordering, etc when he was supposed to be either in his car or on a business trip?

What was so vital that JYmade this 'first time ever' call to Meredith?

Insiders claim it was for a leather purse - an anniversary present.

BUT: their anniversary was in October, the previous month.

Michelle's birthday fell on 17 Feb 1977

.... And Christmas was still some 7 odd weeks away when murder happened.psa-- where did you get the info this was the first time jy ever called Meredith?

[Mama-cita]

psa-- where did you get the info this was the first time jy ever called Meredith?
Meredith said he had never before called her to do anything like this...it's in a lot of the articles, I am just too lazy to search for it right now!:p

[PolkSaladAnnie]

psa-- where did you get the info this was the first time jy ever called Meredith?

Hi j2mirish - longtime :)

Just a note to add mama-cita's response (thanks m-c)... According to the first reports out, Meredith stated it was a fax. I don't think LE or the media are wrong here - however, that was Meredith's testimony. True or false? We don't know that just yet.

[j2mirish]

Meredith said he had never before called her to do anything like this...it's in a lot of the articles, I am just too lazy to search for it right now!:p
TY-- I didnt have the time to go thru a zillion posts, so I figured someone could throw me an answer quickly !

[close_enough]

the Sheriff verified that Meredith was told to go over & pick up a "fax".....doesn't necessarily mean the 'paper/document' had JUST been faxed to the house...IMO it could mean he had some kind of paperwork that might have already been faxed prior to all of this, & this was his excuse to get her over to the house....

for all we know this piece of paperwork might have been something of Michelle's...to show what she wanted for Christmas???..who knows?...i believe there was SOME kind of paperwork there that Meredith was suppose to pick up....it allowed a reason for JY to get someone to the house to find Michelle's body.....

which makes me wonder.....wonder why JY (IF he did this) didn't want to be the one to find her body????.....course it could also be that he was worried about Cassidy???.....hmmm, now i'm thinking.....

what if he didn't want to be the one to find Michelle, because he really wasn't the one to actually kill her???....uuuhhh, i don't know....seems since the murder happened sometime in the wee hours of the morning, surely he knew that Cassidy had been there for a LONG time by herself.....i know i read an article that stated that Meredith got a call on the morning of the 3rd from JY....it stated "morning".....it could be that JY DID call her early that morning, but Meredith wasn't able to get over ASAP....heck, we know Meredith thought Michelle was at work...she said that on the 911 call, so it's possible JY called her much earlier, & 1:30 was the soonest she could get there to the house.....

i think JY wanted Michelle's body found while he was out of town/on the road...in his mind this would help with an alibi.....JMO

[fran]

Well, since we've learned from JY's supposed friends she had a doctor's appointment in the a.m., we know she had to take Cassidy to preschool, AND Michelle had to work that day, yet no one had missed her. He, reportedly from his supposed friends, tried her cell twice during the day, it went to voice mail, so it was off and no one else had picked it up.

So, IF he did this, he may have thought someone would have missed her between the three planned destinations for the day and may have rung the 'alarm' bell thus discovering Michelle. When this did NOT happen, he MAY have then come up with the FAX story.

IF there was no FAX, and seeing how it became blown up by the media and everyone else looking into the case, he had to come up with another story, thus the 'print out' story.

A FAX=FAX, Printout=Printout..........not the same thing........Course, now that I'm hearing people are questioning the 'printout' story, I believe it's being put out that Jason wanted other's opinions of if this would be what she wanted.

IF this is true as coming from 'friends' and not trolls trying to create a story here, it's not going to wash.

FWIW, it just occurred to me, all of these 'supposed friends' of JY's running around the internet with EXPLANATIONS for the husband. Kind of reminds me of what I learned during the SP case.

:waitasec: The perp quite often answers questions before they're asked.

Something for whoever is posting on JY's behalf to think about. :rolleyes:

JMHO
fran

[close_enough]

Since we haven't heard any proof that a fax/printout really exists, it's hard to confirm anything. One of my first questions would be at what time did JY call Meredith to retrieve the fax? He could have called her in the morning but she could have been delayed until the time in the afternoon when she called 911? The only other question I have regarding a fax or printout is that I "assume" that JY would carry a laptop as part of his salesjob?

This fax/printout was the first thing that seemed odd. (IMO)

yes...that's a good question...i had read an article that stated Meredith got the call to go over to the house, in the "morning"....course that could mean as late as 11 am or so....it's very possible that Meredith didn't RUSH over to the house as soon as JY called her....she was under the impression that Michelle was at work, so that wouldn't be strange to wait, if she had other things to do first.....

i also think JY would have a laptop....

[fundiva]

One thing I don't understand. If he didn't want his wife to see the fax, why did he wait until later in the A.M. to call the sister-in-law. By the time he called her the wife would have been up, maybe checked the computer and fax, got ready for work, got the child off to daycare and went to the doctor. I know I always sit down with a cup of coffee and check my emails, etc. before I get ready for the day and go to work. Her chances of already seeing the fax were pretty good - no surprise left IMO.

[close_enough]

I don't think Melinda would make a mistake between computer print out and fax. Either the friends aren't friends and just trolls letting out misinformation, or there was no fax and Jason thought of a print out he had laying around to complete the lie (when the fax thing became a big deal).

JMHO
fran

i don't think Meredith made a mistake either...i think she was TOLD to go pick up a "fax"...the Sheriff verified that story, with Greta already....

i also agree with your other theory (in bold letters)....i think it's very possible that there was SOME kind of paperwork/an earlier faxed document etc .... & he used it to get Meredith over to the house....

[close_enough]

One thing I don't understand. If he didn't want his wife to see the fax, why did he wait until later in the A.M. to call the sister-in-law. By the time he called her the wife would have been up, maybe checked the computer and fax, got ready for work, got the child off to daycare and went to the doctor. I know I always sit down with a cup of coffee and check my emails, etc. before I get ready for the day and go to work. Her chances of already seeing the fax were pretty good - no surprise left IMO.

good question...that's why i believe the "fax" was just a ruse to get Meredith over to the house, to find Michelle's body, whether there was really a fax or not....

[harleysnana]

which makes me wonder.....wonder why JY (IF he did this) didn't want to be the one to find her body????.....course it could also be that he was worried about Cassidy???.....hmmm, now i'm thinking.....

what if he didn't want to be the one to find Michelle, because he really wasn't the one to actually kill her???....uuuhhh, i don't know....seems since the murder happened sometime in the wee hours of the morning, surely he knew that Cassidy had been there for a LONG time by herself.....


I'm not sure if anyone has even thought of this... and it might be
a crazy thought.. but I was thinking that maybe JY took Cassidy with him
after he (IF he did) kill Michelle.

If the motel was so close by... he could have killed Michelle and then taken
Cassidy with him and then brought her back for only a little while so that she wasn't there for all that long with her mommy.

Just a thought. But my guess would be that he didn't do much sleeping that
night and if the motel was close... it is possible.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

One thing I don't understand. If he didn't want his wife to see the fax, why did he wait until later in the A.M. to call the sister-in-law. By the time he called her the wife would have been up, maybe checked the computer and fax, got ready for work, got the child off to daycare and went to the doctor. I know I always sit down with a cup of coffee and check my emails, etc. before I get ready for the day and go to work. Her chances of already seeing the fax were pretty good - no surprise left IMO.

Very good point, fundiva! The possibility exists JY received a call 'out of the blue' from the sender to state : we've just sent you a fax. But then again, of the many there may be clean cut versions to - this fax issue doesn't make sense. It's a waiting game, lol!

[close_enough]

I'm not sure if anyone has even thought of this... and it might be
a crazy thought.. but I was thinking that maybe JY took Cassidy with him
after he (IF he did) kill Michelle.

If the motel was so close by... he could have killed Michelle and then taken
Cassidy with him and then brought her back for only a little while so that she wasn't there for all that long with her mommy.

Just a thought. But my guess would be that he didn't do much sleeping that
night and if the motel was close... it is possible.

hmmmm, it would surprise me if this were the case, but hey....you never know??

[Jodibug]

I'm not sure if anyone has even thought of this... and it might be
a crazy thought.. but I was thinking that maybe JY took Cassidy with him
after he (IF he did) kill Michelle.

If the motel was so close by... he could have killed Michelle and then taken
Cassidy with him and then brought her back for only a little while so that she wasn't there for all that long with her mommy.

Just a thought. But my guess would be that he didn't do much sleeping that
night and if the motel was close... it is possible.


IMO, Cassidy would be able to convey that to the investigators.

As much as I wish it weren't true, I think Cassie spent those hours alone with her mother's body.

[BarnGoddess]

My "criminal" mind working again. Going back to my theory of checking into a motel in VA and returning to kill her, then back again, undedected he hopes. That is if all went as he carefully planned.

Now for the next part. He visits a store or even calls one from where he is and requests a fax describing the item. Perhaps Michelle had at one time found it on the internet and showed it to him. He asks them to fax it to his number. He knows Michelle is dead, so he needs to have the body discovered. He doesn't want to alert any one in authority, so calls her sister, who has a key and was able to go over to the house. He knows his little girl is there and his sister-in-law is the perfect person to discover the death.

My questions:

1. Since my printer only prints, copies and scans, how does the one with the fax included work? When you receive one does it automatically print?

2. If it was a fax, and LE is in possession of it, then there may be a time stamp if the fax were set up properly. Could this give his "location" at that given time? Would he be out of his meeting and not yet on his way to Brevard?

If he's plotted and planned, then he knew Michelle wasn't going to work that day. So no day care would be alerted and work wouldn't be calling. The doctor's appointment time is the only thing missing here. Anyone know when it was scheduled?

[fran]

My "criminal" mind working again. Going back to my theory of checking into a motel in VA and returning to kill her, then back again, undedected he hopes. That is if all went as he carefully planned.

Now for the next part. He visits a store or even calls one from where he is and requests a fax describing the item. Perhaps Michelle had at one time found it on the internet and showed it to him. He asks them to fax it to his number. He knows Michelle is dead, so he needs to have the body discovered. He doesn't want to alert any one in authority, so calls her sister, who has a key and was able to go over to the house. He knows his little girl is there and his sister-in-law is the perfect person to discover the death.

My questions:

1. Since my printer only prints, copies and scans, how does the one with the fax included work? When you receive one does it automatically print?

2. If it was a fax, and LE is in possession of it, then there may be a time stamp if the fax were set up properly. Could this give his "location" at that given time? Would he be out of his meeting and not yet on his way to Brevard?

If he's plotted and planned, then he knew Michelle wasn't going to work that day. So no day care would be alerted and work wouldn't be calling. The doctor's appointment time is the only thing missing here. Anyone know when it was scheduled?

I'm sure I read a comment by one of her co-workers that she was scheduled to work that day but when she didn't show up they didn't think that much of it, just that she'd decided to take the day off. I think they were pretty liberal on their days off. Her Drs. appointment may have been early and she would have just been late to work.

The FAX will have a phone number and time etc it was faxed. SO, the question is, when did he order the FAX? IF he ordered it that day, that's suspicious, IMHO.

JMHO
fran

[Taximom]

One thing I don't understand. If he didn't want his wife to see the fax, why did he wait until later in the A.M. to call the sister-in-law. By the time he called her the wife would have been up, maybe checked the computer and fax, got ready for work, got the child off to daycare and went to the doctor. I know I always sit down with a cup of coffee and check my emails, etc. before I get ready for the day and go to work. Her chances of already seeing the fax were pretty good - no surprise left IMO.
This is why I think the fax was simply used to get Meredith over there to find the body so he wouldn't have to.

I'm going to assume that JY knew his wife's schedule and knew she wasn't working Friday. I don't think that is a big assumption because Michelle was said to be very organized, and I bet you a zillion dollars there was a very detailed calendar or organizer in the home somewhere. And if they were a normally communicative couple, he knew her schedule from routine or from discussions.

Therefore, he knew she would be home. Knowing she would be home (and alive, ahem) why does he call his sis-in-law to go pick up a fax so Michelle won't see it? Why does he have someone send a fax to his home in the first place? Anytime you initiate a fax, you have to give the fax number to the sender. At that point, one would think that an alternate fax number be given if he really didn't want this fax to arrive on their machine.

The only thing I can think of is that IF he didn't kill her, and there was a (rumored) doctor's appt, then maybe he thought Meredith could get the ever-so-important fax before Michelle got back home from the doctor's appt. I still think that is asking a lot of an in-law.

None of the above adds up for me.

How many of us would call our spouse's (or S.O.) sibling to do something like this? Meredith had to drive at least 30 minutes out of her way to get to JY's home. All to hide from the wifey something you want to surprise her with? (Gee, I wonder what THAT phone conversation between JY and MeY was like.)

This is why I think this fax thing is simply JY's way of getting someone to that house. Either to have her find the body so he wouldn't be the one doing it (and REALLY be under the microscope); or to make sure Cassidy was o.k. as well as find Michelle.

[Taximom]

I'm sure I read a comment by one of her co-workers that she was scheduled to work that day but when she didn't show up they didn't think that much of it, just that she'd decided to take the day off. I think they were pretty liberal on their days off. Her Drs. appointment may have been early and she would have just been late to work.

The FAX will have a phone number and time etc it was faxed. SO, the question is, when did he order the FAX? IF he ordered it that day, that's suspicious, IMHO.

JMHO
fran
Right, Fran. When did he order the fax? That will be very interesting, indeed! Our old fax had to have the time/date set on it, but sometimes it was off if I didn't correct it after a power outage or daylight savings time etc. Anyway, the company/person faxing should have records too.

I wish we knew for sure whether she was supposed to be at work or not. I thought she was off that day.:waitasec:

[Jodibug]

My questions:

1. Since my printer only prints, copies and scans, how does the one with the fax included work? When you receive one does it automatically print?

2. If it was a fax, and LE is in possession of it, then there may be a time stamp if the fax were set up properly. Could this give his "location" at that given time? Would he be out of his meeting and not yet on his way to Brevard?



I have a Lexmark all-in-one and the fax has three options:

1) You can set it so that it only picks up if you hit the ANSWER button while the phone is ringing.

2) You can set it to auto-answer only after a specified number of rings. This is what mine is usually set on. If we are home we have enough time to answer it, but if we are gone to work and need something faxed home, someone can fax it to us and after 4-6 rings the fax machine picks up

3) Auto-Answer at first ring.


My fax machine does print the fax as soon as it is received, so long as their is paper in the machine. Then when I get home from work, it will be sitting in the tray waiting for me.

Yes, my fax does have a header on it, which we have our last names and phone number on there, and it also time stamps, but that is only correct if we have the time set on the machine, which I am sure that we do not.

[BarnGoddess]

Fran and Taximom, we are thinking along the same lines, definitely.

If he was at a decent hotel/motel or even an office for the meeting, then he could have had it faxed to him there. Happens all the time. We have customers here that ask us if we can have a fax delivered here. Even a few residents come in and ask if they can have something faxed here. Not unusual.

If he really didn't want her to see the fax, then I'm sure he could have had it faxed to wherever he was at the time of the request.

[fran]

Fran and Taximom, we are thinking along the same lines, definitely.

If he was at a decent hotel/motel or even an office for the meeting, then he could have had it faxed to him there. Happens all the time. We have customers here that ask us if we can have a fax delivered here. Even a few residents come in and ask if they can have something faxed here. Not unusual.

If he really didn't want her to see the fax, then I'm sure he could have had it faxed to wherever he was at the time of the request.

Now see, he was a computer software salesman, so he couldn't figure out how to get it faxed to him somewhere else or another way so it wouldn't go to his home where his wife was?

I'm not buyin' it!

JMHO
fran

[jilly]

As much as I wish it weren't true, I think Cassie spent those hours alone with her mother's body.

I do too. :( I think she woke up there to find her mommy with a "boo boo" and wandered around thinking that her mommy was sleeping. Poor little kid! :( This is another crime in itself!

[scandi]

Sneakin' in LOL A crime like this one smells of premeditation to me. He knew the girls were coming over on Thurs nite, he packed up a lot of his belongings - whatever in several pieces of luggage, knew he would leave while they were there, planned to call her after they left to see how she was, planned a place to be at lying in wait to double back to the house, surprise her in her sleep and kill her. That's just the basics.

But I think he also thought ahead to the next day and he knew there wouldn't be anyone there till Sat - I read that somewhere - so he had to get that body discovered. Michelle maybe missed work for not feeling good and often had Fridays off, so her work wouldn't be concerned nor would the prre-school. He didn't think they would call if neither showed up, and they certainly wouldn't send someone over to the house. But he had to make sure someone would come to retreive little Cassidy.

I think before he left he grabbed we'll say a FAX that he had earlier received about this purse, as he thought it would be a good reason to say get A good reason to get Meredith to go over there. So he laid it out right next to the fax machine to cover his but before he left that night. He knew probably Meredith would know something was wrong right away on entering the house so would not go to the fax machine, But it would be there when LE scoured the house. And it would back up why he had called Meredith to go there.

Just thinkin' :rolleyes:

[raisincharlie]

<snip>

I think before he left he grabbed we'll say a FAX that he had earlier received about this purse, as he thought it would be a good reason to say get A good reason to get Meredith to go over there. So he laid it out right next to the fax machine to cover his but before he left that night. He knew probably Meredith would know something was wrong right away on entering the house so would not go to the fax machine, But it would be there when LE scoured the house. And it would back up why he had called Meredith to go there.

Just thinkin' :rolleyes:
Whatever it is - and if done as you suggest, there will be a date stamp on it somewhere, either on the paper, the printout whatever it is, or at the company that originally sent it. So IMO if it was received and printed out prior to the 3rd of November - it just looks all the more suspicious if indeed his excuse to Meredith was he did not want Michelle to see it.

[jilly]

Whatever it is - and if done as you suggest, there will be a date stamp on it somewhere, either on the paper, the printout whatever it is, or at the company that originally sent it. So IMO if it was received and printed out prior to the 3rd of November - it just looks all the more suspicious if indeed his excuse to Meredith was he did not want Michelle to see it.

Agree. Not sure what you mean about date "stamp" but if it is a fax it will have the date, time sent, who it's from and their fax #.

[raisincharlie]

Agree. Not sure what you mean about date "stamp" but if it is a fax it will have the date, time sent, who it's from and their fax #.
Jilly,

What you have said is what I meant. I also note when I print things out from a web page, the date and web address is printed as well usually along the bottom. Keep puzzling, you,re doing great! ;)

[jilly]

Jilly,

What you have said is what I meant. I also note when I print things out from a web page, the date and web address is printed as well usually along the bottom. Keep puzzling, you,re doing great! ;)

Well....after all that, I missed the most important part in my post and meant to say all that info is printed on the fax. Nevertheless, you managed to get my point anyways.lol. So......you continue to be on top of the puzzling here RC. :)