Found: a tooth

[Floh]

Found a tooth days after L.E. left?

Sources say during the clean-up of the murder scene members of Jason Young's family discovered a tooth in the bedroom where Michelle Young was killed by a blow to the head.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=local&id=4811361

oh come on. this is nonsense. what the heck were L.E. doing?

and whose tooth? and does it actually pertain to the case?

more questions. :(

at least we know family members have been in the house. at last we know that. and the family are doing the clean-up? how awful for them. :(

[raisincharlie]

Found a tooth 3 days after L.E. left?

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=local&id=4811361

oh come on. this is nonsense. what the heck were L.E. doing?

and whose tooth? and does it actually pertain to the case?

more qustions. :(

Well at least the investigators are in Brevard today, collecting more prints supposedly. Wonder how many court orders thay had or will have to get to do so.

[scandi]

It says Michelle's family found it while they were in there cleaning up after the crime. That would be awful to have to do. I thought people hired crime scene cleaners to do this?

Charlie boy, what do you think about the Sheriff being in Bravard? Would that be Harrison? Are there mountains around Bravard? Skiing?

Questions, Questions and more Questions. :D I am glad they told us this because that means they're still humping on JY, right?

Weren't you surprised that the LE spokesman admitted they could have overlooked the tooth after 10 days! Surely they will test it, and I hope they don't have to wait for that to come back to make an arrest.

Maybe since the Sheriff is up there he will execute an arrest. Can he do that while out of his jurisdiction?

Scandi

[raisincharlie]

It says Michelle's family found it while they were in there cleaning up after the crime. That would be awful to have to do. I thought people hired crime scene cleaners to do this?

Charlie boy, what do you think about the Sheriff being in Bravard? Would that be Harrison? Are there mountains around Bravard? Skiing?

Questions, Questions and more Questions. :D I am glad they told us this because that means they're still humping on JY, right?

Weren't you surprised that the LE spokesman admitted they could have overlooked the tooth after 10 days! Surely they will test it, and I hope they don't have to wait for that to come back to make an arrest.

Maybe since the Sheriff is up there he will execute an arrest. Can he do that while out of his jurisdiction?

Scandi
Since the Transylvania County Sheriff source told the news reporters about them being there, I'm thinking he would be the one to execute an arrest IF it were to happen and then hand over said person to Wake County.

As for the area, it is rather mountainous - lots of white water rafting in that area...from what I recall driving through there a few years back.

[Floh]

My dream scenario is Michelle fought back so vigorously she knocked the tooth out of the assailant's head and it will nail him/her to buggery! :behindbar

my lesser thoughts are it's a tooth tucked away saved by Michelle from Cassidy for the tooth fairy - but then again, i have no idea at what age babes start losing their first teeth.

[scandi]

Hey, that's where the Sugarloaf Mountains are. They's pretty well known, right?[

Thanks Charlie. I just hope they used the ruse of fingerprinting to go arrest him.

[Floh]

Here's the thing: if L.E. missed a tooth, what else did they miss? :slap:

[englishleigh]

My dream scenario is Michelle fought back so vigorously she knocked the tooth out of the assailant's head and it will nail him/her to buggery! :behindbar

my lesser thoughts are it's a tooth tucked away saved by Michelle from Cassidy for the tooth fairy - but then again, i have no idea at what age babes start losing their first teeth.

Floh, they usually start around 5 or 6. I doubt it was Cassidy's. I'm thinking it was Michelle's, knocked out in the struggle...the ME would know if she was missing a tooth.

[Floh]

Floh, they usually start around 5 or 6. I doubt it was Cassidy's. I'm thinking it was Michelle's, knocked out in the struggle...the ME would know if she was missing a tooth.

Thanks for the info, englishleigh. :)

so when i was 5 or 6 i had a perfect set of teeth. would that be so nowadays. :(

i blame soft welsh water, i do. :(

[scandi]

This is interesting from our link in post #! of this thread:

" . .(11/30/06) - Sources tell Eyewitness News family members of Michelle Young found a tooth on the floor . . .

. . .Sources say during the clean-up of the murder scene members of Jason Young's family discovered a tooth in the bedroom where Michelle Young was killed by a blow to the head. . . ."

I wonder if it was Michelle's family or Jason's family? If it were Jason's family, do you think they would plant a strange tooth where they could never ID the person and therefore hold up an arrest or cause reasonable doubt for a jury? Could be a very clever ploy, although I am not suggesting for sure this family would do anything of the kind.

Just curious why two differing statements here in this link.

Scandi

[raisincharlie]

This is interesting from our link in post #! of this thread:

" . .(11/30/06) - Sources tell Eyewitness News family members of Michelle Young found a tooth on the floor . . .

. . .Sources say during the clean-up of the murder scene members of Jason Young's family discovered a tooth in the bedroom where Michelle Young was killed by a blow to the head. . . ."

I wonder if it was Michelle's family or Jason's family? If it were Jason's family, do you think they would plant a strange tooth where they could never ID the person and therefore hold up an arrest or cause reasonable doubt for a jury? Could be a very clever ploy, although I am not suggesting for sure this family would do anything of the kind.

Just curious why two differing statements here in this link.

Scandi

Well, I quess Michelle's family would include Jason's family and vice versa but one would think they would at least proof read the article before going with it - but then again if the press sources are trying to break the story first - why bother ? Bet there is a mistake in this post...

[packerdog]

That CSI team was there for 10 days and didn't find this tooth! I don't this they are anything like the CSI program. They act like it's not very important, I think they are playing it down because know that they missed some important evidence. I don't have much faith in them. She must of been also hit in the face in order to lose a tooth. No wonder there was so much blood.

[raisincharlie]

That CSI team was there for 10 days and didn't find this tooth! I don't this they are anything like the CSI program. They act like it's not very important, I think they are playing it down because know that they missed some important evidence. I don't have much faith in them. She must of been also hit in the face in order to lose a tooth. No wonder there was so much blood.
If this tooth belongs to Michelle, what exactly do you think it's evidentury value is ? If it is noted in the coroners report, is there really any significance to it not being found?

[j2mirish]

That CSI team was there for 10 days and didn't find this tooth! I don't this they are anything like the CSI program. They act like it's not very important, I think they are playing it down because know that they missed some important evidence. I don't have much faith in them. She must of been also hit in the face in order to lose a tooth. No wonder there was so much blood.
I thought the same thing, but then the "rumor" of an open casket....

[j2mirish]

If this tooth belongs to Michelle, what exactly do you think it's evidentury value is ? If it is noted in the coroners report, is there really any significance to it not being found?
no- i dont thing it is a big deal neccesarily, that the TOOTH wasnt found...I think people are saying, if they didnt notice it, or find it----what else could they have missed, at least that is what I am reading into the posts

[packerdog]

If this tooth belongs to Michelle, what exactly do you think it's evidentury value is ? If it is noted in the coroners report, is there really any significance to it not being found?

I have to wonder if the coroner put in his report that she was missing a tooth. I would assume it was broken off without the root. Wouldn't the coroner tell the crime scene people to look for a tooth? I just think it's sad that a family member found it. I think the defense attorney would have a field day in court over this blunder.

[packerdog]

no- i dont thing it is a big deal neccesarily, that the TOOTH wasnt found...I think people are saying, if they didnt notice it, or find it----what else could they have missed, at least that is what I am reading into the posts

Exactly! We know how a defense attorney loves to find something to pick apart.

[raisincharlie]

I have to wonder if the coroner put in his report that she was missing a tooth. I would assume it was broken off without the root. Wouldn't the coroner tell the crime scene people to look for a tooth? I just think it's sad that a family member found it. I think the defense attorney would have a field day in court over this blunder.
I agree, the defense team will have their red herring-but I fail to see any great significance if it is Michelle's tooth. We don't know where it was found, and we don't know if it was from this incident or perhaps she tripped and chipped a tooth on a dresser two months ago. The claim can be made that LE missed something but LE can always agree and say they probably could have found more evidence about the killer as well.

I am sorry a family member found it as well, however I also feel if the family can afford the lawyer retained in this case - they could have hired a professional to tend to this task. Why they would even want to attempt it themselves absolutely blows my mind. Sorry, to me that seems perverse as well as being an unhealthy thing to do.

[j2mirish]

I agree, the defense team will have their red herring-but I fail to see any great significance if it is Michelle's tooth. We don't know where it was found, and we don't know if it was from this incident or perhaps she tripped and chipped a tooth on a dresser two months ago. The claim can be made that LE missed something but LE can always agree and say they probably could have found more evidence about the killer as well.

I am sorry a family member found it as well, however I also feel if the family can afford the lawyer retained in this case - they could have hired a professional to tend to this task. Why they would even want to attempt it themselves absolutely blows my mind. Sorry, to me that seems perverse as well as being an unhealthy thing to do.but which family? as you posted earlier, one report says hers---one report say his --LOL

I know I couldnt do it-:snooty:

[Samiya]

As unhealthy as this sounds, there are many families who clean up after violent crimes in the homes. It allows them the feeling of being closer to their departed loved one and in some ways it has a theraputic effect and is drawn in as part of the 'death is final' process in understanding that their loved one is in fact gone. It also allows them to 'see' for themselves what their loved one had to endure at the time of death, just as we sitting here are curious of the crime scene and what we would see if we could go inside the house.

It is a sad process, horrifying, and macabre but it allows the faily 'finality' and 'acceptance'.

If the tooth was missing due to the crime then the ME would have reported it to LE and investigators. It may have jsut been a case of it being contained within the pool of congealed blood, and in this case possibly brain matter...or if the floor is carpetted, it may have been embedded in the fibres. It would certainly not be the first time that something small has been inadvertantly overlooked and whatever DNA could come from the tooth can just as easily be obtained from Michelle's mouth.

[close_enough]

I agree, the defense team will have their red herring-but I fail to see any great significance if it is Michelle's tooth. We don't know where it was found, and we don't know if it was from this incident or perhaps she tripped and chipped a tooth on a dresser two months ago. The claim can be made that LE missed something but LE can always agree and say they probably could have found more evidence about the killer as well.

I am sorry a family member found it as well, however I also feel if the family can afford the lawyer retained in this case - they could have hired a professional to tend to this task. Why they would even want to attempt it themselves absolutely blows my mind. Sorry, to me that seems perverse as well as being an unhealthy thing to do.

yes...red herring for sure...if this case involves overwhelming circumstantial evidence, (which i think it will) the tooth isn't going to be a big problem, IMO.......it could be that most all of Michelle's teeth were knocked out/shattered...that would be in the ME's report for sure....another tooth of MY's found later wouldn't surprise me really, when i think about it......

[Sniffy38]

My son is a CSI in the Bay Area. He told me years ago that whenever there is a violent death, they always give the family a list of names of people to call for the cleaning.

The housekeeking service I use also has a Biohazards unit. They are called to many violent scenes and it requires special contamination care. He was even called on the scene after 9-11. He said it was horrific.

I cannot comprehend how a family memeber could clean up after something so gruesome.

[evelyn24]

Found a tooth days after L.E. left?

Sources say during the clean-up of the murder scene members of Jason Young's family discovered a tooth in the bedroom where Michelle Young was killed by a blow to the head.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=local&id=4811361

oh come on. this is nonsense. what the heck were L.E. doing?

and whose tooth? and does it actually pertain to the case?

more questions. :(

at least we know family members have been in the house. at last we know that. and the family are doing the clean-up? how awful for them. :(


Meh...it's probably Michelle Youngs tooth.

"Pennica and others close to the investigation say the tooth is not a critical piece of evidence. Although it has not yet been tested they believe the tooth belonged to Michelle Young, not her killer.

"That tooth would have gone with the body to Chapel Hill for the autopsy and then it would have been buried with the body," Pennica says. "We would not have kept it as a piece of evidence," he continued.

He is correct. There is no evidentiary value to it if it's her tooth, other than it shows how violent the attack was. An autopsy documents all injuries, including how many teeth were knocked out.

Therefore, I'm not sure this is a big deal you seem to think it is.

If it is someone elses tooth, then we have another situation.
THAT would be a big deal.

[MrsMush99]

My dream scenario is Michelle fought back so vigorously she knocked the tooth out of the assailant's head and it will nail him/her to buggery! :behindbar

my lesser thoughts are it's a tooth tucked away saved by Michelle from Cassidy for the tooth fairy - but then again, i have no idea at what age babes start losing their first teeth.
Floh,

Children lose their teeth starting at age 5. Also, if it is the perps tooth, don't you think if it is JY's they would notice he had a tooth missing? Another thought is if it was MY's tooth they would notice that at autopsy. I wonder where the heck this tooth came from.

[close_enough]

i just thought of something...what if that poor old dog was kicked in the face & HE lost a tooth????....wouldn't one recognize a dogs tooth being diff from a 'human's tooth though....?

ETA....nevermind!!!!...just read in bold letters below that LE thinks it was Michelles....

[scandi]

Evelyn, do you think it kind of odd they reported about this when there has been almost nothing given out in the case?

[close_enough]

My son is a CSI in the Bay Area. He told me years ago that whenever there is a violent death, they always give the family a list of names of people to call for the cleaning.

The housekeeking service I use also has a Biohazards unit. They are called to many violent scenes and it requires special contamination care. He was even called on the scene after 9-11. He said it was horrific.

I cannot comprehend how a family memeber could clean up after something so gruesome.

me either...seems almost 'crazy' to me....if it's someone that died of a heart attack, some kind of illness, etc....ok, the family goes over, cleans up, goes through things, & what not.....but a family member 'cleaning up' after a loved one's been bludgeoned to death...(shakes head)
...can not comprehend either....

[jilly]

I don't think Michelle's family would have any legal right to be in that house right now.

[evelyn24]

Evelyn, do you think it kind of odd they reported about this when there has been almost nothing given out in the case?


I really cannot tell from reading the article who went to the media with this information.

My SPECULATION is that JY's attorney dropped this little bit of info into the ear of some reporter they know. These are experienced defense attorneys who are use to the PR game in high profile cases.
We can predict the spin already.
"What else did they miss!!" "They did not do their jobs properly."

Does this mean they all know JY's arrest is coming and they are already starting the media offense?

Possible.


Maybe I'm reading too much into it....I just do not know at this point.
My gut tells me this info was leaked to embarrass the CSI/LE.

JMO...of course. :)

[scandi]

Great point Jilly! Only if and when he is convicted. A+ for you Jilly

Scandi

[raisincharlie]

Evelyn, do you think it kind of odd they reported about this when there has been almost nothing given out in the case?Scandi,

I'm going to jump in here for a quick thought. Going back to my conversation with JTF - she made it quite plain to me that she will devote whatever energy necessary to confront the local media over the frenzy, and her claim to correct mistruths. Given that thought, and not being mean spirited in reality, I have no doubt this information would come out. Either LE admits it or IMO the family would have run with it - straight to the press, just to point a finger. My only basis for this opinion is a direct result of direct conversation with JTF. Sorry if this sounds bad but I have reason to think the way I do. JMO

[scandi]

Thanks Evelyn and I bet you are right on!

I had an Auntie Evelyn. You don't hear the name very often, but have always loved it.

Scandii

[evelyn24]

Thanks Evelyn and I bet you are right on!

I had an Auntie Evelyn. You don't hear the name very often, but have always loved it.

Scandii

Thanks! :)

[scandi]

Thanks and yes, I understand Charlie.

[Topsail Girl]

Thanks Evelyn and I bet you are right on!

I had an Auntie Evelyn. You don't hear the name very often, but have always loved it.

Scandii
My grandmother's name was Evelyn :( She was murdered 10 years ago. Her name was actually Maude Evelyn but she never admitted to the Maude part LOL

My cousin named her daughter Evelyn Rose after both grandmothers.

[scandi]

Oh, I'm sorry she was murdered as it is such a terribly way to go. But I'm glad your cousin gave her that name. It is really a very pretty name -

Evelyn Rose



Scandi

[close_enough]

My grandmother's name was Evelyn :( She was murdered 10 years ago. Her name was actually Maude Evelyn but she never admitted to the Maude part LOL

My cousin named her daughter Evelyn Rose after both grandmothers.

oh, i like the name Maude:)

there was a very famous model named Maude, but i just went blank...??..

plus one of my all time favorite movies is "Harold & Maude"..

[jilly]

Great point Jilly! Only if and when he is convicted. A+ for you Jilly

Scandi

Awwww shucks Scandi! :blushing: Just trying to keep up with the rest of you smarties!

[close_enough]

Scandi,

I'm going to jump in here for a quick thought. Going back to my conversation with JTF - she made it quite plain to me that she will devote whatever energy necessary to confront the local media over the frenzy, and her claim to correct mistruths. Given that thought, and not being mean spirited in reality, I have no doubt this information would come out. Either LE admits it or IMO the family would have run with it - straight to the press, just to point a finger. My only basis for this opinion is a direct result of direct conversation with JTF. Sorry if this sounds bad but I have reason to think the way I do. JMO

exactly....the article even states as much...

http://www.wral.com/news/10435063/detail.html

The discovery has led Young's family members to question the completeness of the investigation, sources close to the case said.
Young's husband, Jason Young, has not commented about the case, and family members there refused to comment when WRAL went to his sister's home in Aberdeen on Thursday.

Wake County Sheriff Donnie Harrison said Thursday that he has complete confidence in the CCBI's work on the case.

Meanwhile, investigators briefed the Wake County District Attorney's Office on the case Thursday.

notice the last sentence...hmmm

[scandi]

Hey Jilly, I always read every post you write. Sometimes you just hit that nail on the head wheras I sometimes go round and round to try to get a point across! :rolleyes:


Scandi

[Topsail Girl]

oh, i like the name Maude:)

there was a very famous model named Maude, but i just went blank...??..

plus one of my all time favorite movies is "Harold & Maude"..
Thanks Scandi....:)

The only Maude I can think of is that old sit-com and the actress' name was Beatrice something. LOL I THINK!!

BTW - I haven't read this anywhere that I can remember. Does anyone know what Cassidy's full/middle name was? I might have read it in the 1000 pages before now LOL

[scandi]

Oh yes, Maude who was so tall and dressed in everything so beautifully designed to not make her stand out too much. The ___Girls. Not The Gilmore Girls??????

I haven't heard Cassidy's full name. If they hadn't removed the memorial info from the funeral home it would be listed there I think.

Scandi

[close_enough]

Hey Jilly, I always read every post you write. Sometimes you just hit that nail on the head wheras I sometimes go round and round to try to get a point across! :rolleyes:

Scandi

lol..you're not alone Scandi..i do it all the time :p

[close_enough]

Thanks Scandi....:)

The only Maude I can think of is that old sit-com and the actress' name was Beatrice something. LOL I THINK!!

BTW - I haven't read this anywhere that I can remember. Does anyone know what Cassidy's full/middle name was? I might have read it in the 1000 pages before now LOL

yeah, Bea Arthur!..i forgot about the TV show Maude...lol

no, i haven't heard Cassidy's middle name...

[raisincharlie]

Thanks and yes, I understand Charlie.Scandi,

Here is an updated article as of 9:18 EST:

http://www.wral.com/news/10435063/detail.html

The discovery has led Young's family members to question the completeness of the investigation, sources close to the case said.


Young's husband, Jason Young, has not commented about the case, and family members there refused to comment when WRAL went to his sister's home in Aberdeen on Thursday.

ETA - I should have read all posts before responding as Close posted the update already. Oh well

[jilly]

Hey Jilly, I always read every post you write. Sometimes you just hit that nail on the head wheras I sometimes go round and round to try to get a point across! :rolleyes:


Scandi

Ahhhhh, but you don't know how long it takes me to write a post!! :crazy:
Thank you anyways Scandi - and I always look forward to and 'get' your posts! :)

[evelyn24]

exactly....the article even states as much...

http://www.wral.com/news/10435063/detail.html

The discovery has led Young's family members to question the completeness of the investigation, sources close to the case said.
Young's husband, Jason Young, has not commented about the case, and family members there refused to comment when WRAL went to his sister's home in Aberdeen on Thursday.

Wake County Sheriff Donnie Harrison said Thursday that he has complete confidence in the CCBI's work on the case.

Meanwhile, investigators briefed the Wake County District Attorney's Office on the case Thursday.

notice the last sentence...hmmm


Well, there you have it. The PR offense is starting already.

I did not see this article. Thanks!

[Topsail Girl]

Scandi,

Here is an updated article as of 9:18 EST:

http://www.wral.com/news/10435063/detail.html

The discovery has led Young's family members to question the completeness of the investigation, sources close to the case said.


Young's husband, Jason Young, has not commented about the case, and family members there refused to comment when WRAL went to his sister's home in Aberdeen on Thursday.

ETA - I should have read all posts before responding as Close posted the update already. Oh well
Dang it - It isn't the entire video as shown live on the news but it does show the most important points. Thanks Charlie - I posted the link on the other thread before I saw you had posted it here.

[jilly]

Oh yes, Maude who was so tall and dressed in everything so beautifully designed to not make her stand out too much. The ___Girls. Not The Gilmore Girls??????

I haven't heard Cassidy's full name. If they hadn't removed the memorial info from the funeral home it would be listed there I think.

Scandi

Golden Girls!!

[Topsail Girl]

Golden Girls!!
She did star in Golden Girls but I think this was before Golden Girls. She was married to a guy and had a daughter named Phyllis - along the same time as All in the Family and The Jeffersons...OOOHH my head hurts :waitasec:

[jilly]

I hadn't seen this article either. Thanks for posting it here RC. So many threads to keep up with now - not complaining....not complaining!!

So the tooth was found by Jason's sister-in-law. Do we know if Jason has a brother? I just seem to remember that he travelled back to Raleigh with his sister and brother-in-law. Maybe it was Meredith - she's his sister-in-law.

I agree Evelyn the offense has started. They were awfully quick to comment.

[jilly]

She did star in Golden Girls but I think this was before Golden Girls. She was married to a guy and had a daughter named Phyllis - along the same time as All in the Family and The Jeffersons...OOOHH my head hurts :waitasec:

You're absolutely right! Maude was before GG.

[Topsail Girl]

I hadn't seen this article either. Thanks for posting it here RC. So many threads to keep up with now - not complaining....not complaining!!

So the tooth was found by Jason's sister-in-law. Do we know if Jason has a brother? I just seem to remember that he travelled back to Raleigh with his sister and brother-in-law. Maybe it was Meredith - she's his sister-in-law.

I agree Evelyn the offense has started. They were awfully quick to comment.
Again something isn't right - The typing says sister in law but the video clearly says sister

[raisincharlie]

Again something isn't right - The typing says sister in law but the video clearly says sister
I think the written article is wrong - I don't believe that legally Michelle's side of the family would be allowed access to the home as it is Jason's home. Don't know if you kept up with the SP case but this was the way it was in that case. His parents went into the home and it was off limits to Laci's folks. Big brew hahah over that came down. Anyway - i would say JYs sister found it. JMO

[close_enough]

i have Greta on, hoping it will be discussed tonight...

[Topsail Girl]

I think the written article is wrong - I don't believe that legally Michelle's side of the family would be allowed access to the home as it is Jason's home. Don't know if you kept up with the SP case but this was the way it was in that case. His parents went into the home and it was off limits to Laci's folks. Big brew hahah over that came down. Anyway - i would say JYs sister found it. JMO
OOOHH - so since he is still alive if he didn't want them in the home then legally they can not go in? I'm not sure if that's what you mean or not. I didn't want to go back and re-read through all the posts but I thought the home was deeded in both MY and JY name. I don't know if that matters - slap me and call me dense LOL

[close_enough]

I think the written article is wrong - I don't believe that legally Michelle's side of the family would be allowed access to the home as it is Jason's home. Don't know if you kept up with the SP case but this was the way it was in that case. His parents went into the home and it was off limits to Laci's folks. Big brew hahah over that came down. Anyway - i would say JYs sister found it. JMO

very good point RC...i think it's safe to assume that JY's family were the first to go in after the home had been 'released'.....they'd want to go in, gather some of JY's & Cassidy's things...to me, that only makes sense...

[raisincharlie]

OOOHH - so since he is still alive if he didn't want them in the home then legally they can not go in? I'm not sure if that's what you mean or not. I didn't want to go back and re-read through all the posts but I thought the home was deeded in both MY and JY name. I don't know if that matters - slap me and call me dense LOL
As MY is now deceased - the home belongs to JY unless there is a will which explicitly states otherwise. MY's side of the family would need permission from JY to enter the home at this point as it no longer belongs to thier daughter/sister.. sadly. This is also why Cassidy would be with JY and not MY's side of the family.

[Topsail Girl]

As MY is now deceased - the home belongs to JY unless there is a will which explicitly states otherwise. MY's side of the family would need permission from JY to enter the home at this point as it no longer belongs to thier daughter/sister.. sadly. This is also why Cassidy would be with JY and not MY's side of the family.
Ok now I understand. It took me a few minutes but the light bulb finally went on :crazy:

One thing that bugging me about this - if JY's family has enough money to buy him a hot shot lawyer then why in the world did they not hire a company to come and clean up. Why in the world woud they want to subject themselves to cleaning such a horrid crime scene???

[raisincharlie]

Ok now I understand. It took me a few minutes but the light bulb finally went on :crazy:

One thing that bugging me about this - if JY's family has enough money to buy him a hot shot lawyer then why in the world did they not hire a company to come and clean up. Why in the world woud they want to subject themselves to cleaning such a horrid crime scene???
You got me on that one luv - I have the same question. Although, I do believe Samiya posted a response about the possible why. Still too grizzly for me. I for one do not believe I could do it, nor find any closure in doing it, only more sadness.

[Topsail Girl]

Well - I'm going to sign off now to watch the news and then go to bed. Early day tomorrow and busy weekend. I'll catch up with ya'll on Sunday afternoon or Monday. Have a good weekend everyone :)


Thanks to all for all the insight and info!!

[oceanblueeyes]

yes...red herring for sure...if this case involves overwhelming circumstantial evidence, (which i think it will) the tooth isn't going to be a big problem, IMO.......it could be that most all of Michelle's teeth were knocked out/shattered...that would be in the ME's report for sure....another tooth of MY's found later wouldn't surprise me really, when i think about it......

It doesn't surprise me. LE have been known to miss other evidence before......it happens sometimes. I think that the tooth is most likely Michelle's. In the Pamela Vitale bludgeoning wasn't part of her tooth found close to the doorway?

Sounds consistent with a bludgeoning imo.

Happy Holidays everyone!

IMO

Ocean

[close_enough]

It doesn't surprise me. LE have been known to miss other evidence before......it happens sometimes. I think that the tooth is most likely Michelle's. In the Pamela Vitale bludgeoning wasn't part of her tooth found close to the doorway?

Sounds consistent with a bludgeoning imo.

Happy Holidays everyone!

IMO

Ocean

& Happy Holidays to you too, lol...:)

i think you're right about the tooth being found after Pamela Vitale's murder...

[pack_fan]

It doesn't surprise me. LE have been known to miss other evidence before......it happens sometimes. I think that the tooth is most likely Michelle's. In the Pamela Vitale bludgeoning wasn't part of her tooth found close to the doorway?

Sounds consistent with a bludgeoning imo.

Happy Holidays everyone!

IMO

Ocean
Am I alone here thinking that the tooth is pretty much irrelevant? I would suspect with the blount force trauma, it wouldn't have been the only one. If it is indeed determined to be Michelle's, I don't see that any of it matters. I don't buy that the defense would get very far with the claim "what else did they miss". I think that the evidence is going to be in hotel records, possible bank account usage, and other things. As much time as LE spent in the house and the effort going into verifying his travel, phone records, etc..... I think the discovery of a tooth after the fact is going to be trivial. The case will be won or lost by them placing him at the scene through phone, travel, money, etc....

[close_enough]

Well - I'm going to sign off now to watch the news and then go to bed. Early day tomorrow and busy weekend. I'll catch up with ya'll on Sunday afternoon or Monday. Have a good weekend everyone :)


Thanks to all for all the insight and info!!

night Topsail...& thank YOU again, for all the info:)

[close_enough]

Am I alone here thinking that the tooth is pretty much irrelevant? I would suspect with the blount force trauma, it wouldn't have been the only one. If it is indeed determined to be Michelle's, I don't see that any of it matters. I don't buy that the defense would get very far with the claim "what else did they miss". I think that the evidence is going to be in hotel records, possible bank account usage, and other things. As much time as LE spent in the house and the effort going into verifying his travel, phone records, etc..... I think the discovery of a tooth after the fact is going to be trivial. The case will be won or lost by them placing him at the scene through phone, travel, money, etc....

no, you're not alone....i don't think the defense would get far with this tooth either....i think there will be overwhelming circumstantial evidence to place JY at the scene.....jmo

[close_enough]

Well, there you have it. The PR offense is starting already.

I did not see this article. Thanks!

you're welcome evelyn.....& yes, it's starting already...

[jilly]

Again something isn't right - The typing says sister in law but the video clearly says sister

I bet it's his sister then.

[close_enough]

She did star in Golden Girls but I think this was before Golden Girls. She was married to a guy and had a daughter named Phyllis - along the same time as All in the Family and The Jeffersons...OOOHH my head hurts :waitasec:

hmmm, was the daughter played by Adrienne Barbeau?? (sp?).....that show was actually called "Maude", i believe.....

sorry O/T, but just noticed this post...

[close_enough]

I bet it's his sister then.

evening jilly:)

i think so....

[close_enough]

I hadn't seen this article either. Thanks for posting it here RC. So many threads to keep up with now - not complaining....not complaining!!

So the tooth was found by Jason's sister-in-law. Do we know if Jason has a brother? I just seem to remember that he travelled back to Raleigh with his sister and brother-in-law. Maybe it was Meredith - she's his sister-in-law.

I agree Evelyn the offense has started. They were awfully quick to comment.

that's what i understand also, from what i've gathered....JY has a sister..(but i could be wrong)

[raisincharlie]

Am I alone here thinking that the tooth is pretty much irrelevant? I would suspect with the blount force trauma, it wouldn't have been the only one. If it is indeed determined to be Michelle's, I don't see that any of it matters. I don't buy that the defense would get very far with the claim "what else did they miss". I think that the evidence is going to be in hotel records, possible bank account usage, and other things. As much time as LE spent in the house and the effort going into verifying his travel, phone records, etc..... I think the discovery of a tooth after the fact is going to be trivial. The case will be won or lost by them placing him at the scene through phone, travel, money, etc....
I am in complete agreement with you on this. The tooth will be a toy for the defense team towards doubting the integrity of the LE involved but if everything else stacks up, it won't matter.

Personally, I think these folks need to be careful - especially if they have been on the web spreading misinformation - it may well come back to bite them when they are put on the stand, and they may well end up on the stand, at least in the defense CIC.

[jilly]

evening jilly:)

i think so....

'evening close!:blowkiss: Got 15 more minutes before CSI comes on. Gotta keep up with the latest techniques. lol. My hubby just shakes his head and keeps asking "Don't you ever get enough?" as I go from computer to TV. :crazy:

[pack_fan]

I am in complete agreement with you on this. The tooth will be a toy for the defense team towards doubting the integrity of the LE involved but if everything else stacks up, it won't matter.

Personally, I think these folks need to be careful - especially if they have been on the web spreading misinformation - it may well come back to bite them when they are put on the stand, and they may well end up on the stand, at least in the defense CIC.
You are right rc. I know more than I would ever post on this board or any other. Obviously second hand info but I don't feel like it's my place to throw it out there for everyone else to view. Although the the people that gave me the info I would trust with my life, they weren't there that night and I can't say it's the absolute truth so...... I'll keep it to myself.

Interesting that you spoke with JTF, I would just about bet that I know or know of this person. Part of me wants to know who and the smart half says leave it alone!

[raisincharlie]

You are right rc. I know more than I would ever post on this board or any other. Obviously second hand info but I don't feel like it's my place to throw it out there for everyone else to view. Although the the people that gave me the info I would trust with my life, they weren't there that night and I can't say it's the absolute truth so...... I'll keep it to myself.

Interesting that you spoke with JTF, I would just about bet that I know or know of this person. Part of me wants to know who and the smart half says leave it alone!
Pack - fan,

I think you have taken an admirable position in this and without a doubt, a smart choice in taking that position. I think you should be proud of yourself for this positon, it shows loyalty and great strength. I feel very sorry for all of those that are friends, and family. This is a position no one should ever have to be in IMO, but unfortunately I don't get to make the rules. There is a part of me that hopes JY is not involved, for baby Cassidy's sake.

I don't want to know who JTF is either.

Peace

[close_enough]

'evening close!:blowkiss: Got 15 more minutes before CSI comes on. Gotta keep up with the latest techniques. lol. My hubby just shakes his head and keeps asking "Don't you ever get enough?" as I go from computer to TV. :crazy:

nite jilly :blowkiss:

my hubby just shakes his head also..lol

i sure thought something would 'break' in this case this week....with the investigators briefing the DA today, maybe tomorrow????....(sighs)

[jilly]

nite jilly :blowkiss:

my hubby just shakes his head also..lol

i sure thought something would 'break' in this case this week....with the investigators briefing the DA today, maybe tomorrow????....(sighs)


I'm back...... Twas a repeat! But I had to finish my popcorn! hehe.

Maybe tomorrow but I'm not too optimistic somehow.

[scandi]

What a slew of grand posts! Thanks Charlie and Close for the link as it really said a lot. And Jilly, I just wish I had a man to shake his head! {:p remember this little icon during the Sp case? Baa Haa Haa Haaaaaaaaaaa :slap:

So I think the last line in that article says so much. The investigators confering with the DA or prosecutors office. I don't think they would do this unless they had a suspect well in mind and were counting all of the ducks to get an airtight case. I've read they've met before like this.

Hi pack_fan! I appreciate your attitude as well. I'm just nosey when it comes to crime and want to know every little tidbit I can. But in a case like this I don't want anything to interrupt the flow of justice for Michelle and her little boy. It's better to let these insiders be un-named and sink the person they are trying to defend.

Charlie, if they were in court and the prosecution brought up the fact a certain 'insider' had said in a post on a crime forum, and if true would mean the witness was possibly commiting perjury, would they subpena {sp} the posts from CTV.

You know Charlie I don't expect you to know that answer LOL but mainly want your thought on that.

Scandi

[raisincharlie]

What a slew of grand posts! Thanks Charlie and Close for the link as it really said a lot. And Jilly, I just wish I had a man to shake his head! {:p remember this little icon during the Sp case? Baa Haa Haa Haaaaaaaaaaa :slap:

So I think the last line in that article says so much. The investigators confering with the DA or prosecutors office. I don't think they would do this unless they had a suspect well in mind and were counting all of the ducks to get an airtight case. I've read they've met before like this.

Hi pack_fan! I appreciate your attitude as well. I'm just nosey when it comes to crime and want to know every little tidbit I can. But in a case like this I don't want anything to interrupt the flow of justice for Michelle and her little boy. It's better to let these insiders be un-named and sink the person they are trying to defend.

Charlie, if they were in court and the prosecution brought up the fact a certain 'insider' had said in a post on a crime forum, and if true would mean the witness was possibly commiting perjury, would they subpena {sp} the posts from CTV.

You know Charlie I don't expect you to know that answer LOL but mainly want your thought on that.

Scandi
Seems to me, if a defense team is by any chance reading or keeping up at the forums, there is also a possibility it is being monitored as well by either the DA or LE. For all we know they may have downloaded those posts already but for court, it may be they would need to subpeona CTV for verification at a minimum. I don't have any clue how CTV would react...

I do know for example in the Bobbie Jo Stinnett case - the owner of a website actually helped the MHP track Lisa Montgomery down through reviewing posts and then going back to find the service provider to locate the area where she lived. That was done willingly and was actually instrumental in finding her so quickly. I know for trial purposes however the Feds went back and issued subpeonas in order to correctly preserve this evidence and to gather other posts etc from this website.

So, truthfully I don't know but I would be willing to bet there was a lawyer involved in removing the posts about the boy IMO.

[jilly]

What a slew of grand posts! Thanks Charlie and Close for the link as it really said a lot. And Jilly, I just wish I had a man to shake his head! {:p remember this little icon during the Sp case? Baa Haa Haa Haaaaaaaaaaa :slap:

So I think the last line in that article says so much. The investigators confering with the DA or prosecutors office. I don't think they would do this unless they had a suspect well in mind and were counting all of the ducks to get an airtight case. I've read they've met before like this.

Scandi

Well Scandi if he would limit it to shaking his head I wouldn't mind but he's actually interrupted me far too much today while I'm trying to focus here! :D
And yes :laugh: :p I do remember, lol.

eta Regarding the DA - you could be right. One thing, this DA is very involved and that's encouraging.

[pack_fan]

What a slew of grand posts! Thanks Charlie and Close for the link as it really said a lot. And Jilly, I just wish I had a man to shake his head! {:p remember this little icon during the Sp case? Baa Haa Haa Haaaaaaaaaaa :slap:

So I think the last line in that article says so much. The investigators confering with the DA or prosecutors office. I don't think they would do this unless they had a suspect well in mind and were counting all of the ducks to get an airtight case. I've read they've met before like this.

Hi pack_fan! I appreciate your attitude as well. I'm just nosey when it comes to crime and want to know every little tidbit I can. But in a case like this I don't want anything to interrupt the flow of justice for Michelle and her little boy. It's better to let these insiders be un-named and sink the person they are trying to defend.

Charlie, if they were in court and the prosecution brought up the fact a certain 'insider' had said in a post on a crime forum, and if true would mean the witness was possibly commiting perjury, would they subpena {sp} the posts from CTV.

You know Charlie I don't expect you to know that answer LOL but mainly want your thought on that.

Scandi
Hey Scandi. I think we are all here for the victims, not the perp.

That would be interesting to know about the postings and the interest of LE. If any of the posters have as much knowledge as they claim, I'm sure they have been questioned by LE. I know for fact that some of Michelle's close friends (and I assume Jason's as well) were questioned around the time of the funeral. Even those that came from out of town.

[pack_fan]

This is all so confusing following threads :doh: . Very nice to have a forum though. I think we are way off topic here (the tooth). Care to go back to preg. mother nc pg. 5?

[close_enough]

Ok now I understand. It took me a few minutes but the light bulb finally went on :crazy:

One thing that bugging me about this - if JY's family has enough money to buy him a hot shot lawyer then why in the world did they not hire a company to come and clean up. Why in the world woud they want to subject themselves to cleaning such a horrid crime scene???


i was getting ready for bed, but decided to check out some local news...i stumbled across this....(it's kinda gross, but...)

i never thought about it, but it does mention that homeowner's insurance sometimes covers this type of 'clean up'.....

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=5689213&nav=menu374_2

Clean-up jobs can run up to $1,000, but usually homeowner's insurance will cover the cost. The industry has exploded in the past 10 years.

[close_enough]

This is all so confusing following threads :doh: . Very nice to have a forum though. I think we are way off topic here (the tooth). Care to go back to preg. mother nc pg. 5?

lol...same here...you should have seen me earlier, flipping back & forth from the tooth thread to #5 page :crazy:

[strach304]

Ok so I missed all this because I was away. I've read the whole thread so I'll throw in my own thoughts. First the tooth is major imo. Suppose it was found in coaguated blood? Aren't they looking for hairs and fibers too? Common sense tells you it's probably Michele's but still not a given and this is a violent crime scene. I'll remind everyone of the csi lab shut down in texas and those convictions related to it under review and possibly getting tossed. If and when this case makes it to trial that will be brought up so lets hope there aren't more mistakes. Geragos did his best to make LE look like idiots many times as will any defense lawyer.

I can come to only one conclusion about LE being in Brevard. Jason is their prime suspect. There's the alibi and accomplices whether they are friends or family and that's all I have to say about that.

[peepers20056]

Hy folk's does anyone else besides myself think maybe the tooth was left to see if who ever found it WOULD REPORT IT OR NOT.Considering who is number one suspect. If it was jason's family that were cleaning it THERE has to be some reason .After all like eveyone know's they should or could have gotten hazord cleaning company to do it for them. For me I find this very trange for them to do the cleaning them self's. After all it's not like they could not afford it. Any normal person I would think would find this heart breaking to do. After allI read somewhere that was not very close to jason's side of the family. I also find the behavior of the STEPDAD little too super STEP DADDY overly protective. DOES THOU PROSTEST TOO MUCH??? JMHO.:waitasec: :rolleyes:

[strach304]

Peepers, good idea but I can't see LE publicly admitting it was an oversight because a lawyer would use that against them in a trial. It could've been planted though to make LE look incompetent.

[Taximom]

Hy folk's does anyone else besides myself think maybe the tooth was left to see if who ever found it WOULD REPORT IT OR NOT.Considering who is number one suspect. If it was jason's family that were cleaning it THERE has to be some reason .After all like eveyone know's they should or could have gotten hazord cleaning company to do it for them. For me I find this very trange for them to do the cleaning them self's. After all it's not like they could not afford it. Any normal person I would think would find this heart breaking to do. After allI read somewhere that was not very close to jason's side of the family. I also find the behavior of the STEPDAD little too super STEP DADDY overly protective. DOES THOU PROSTEST TOO MUCH??? JMHO.:waitasec: :rolleyes:
Hi peepers. Maybe the tooth belongs to one of the forensic team members.:D

I can't imagine cleaning up a murder scene, especially of someone that was related (even by marriage) to me. On the other hand, my curiousity might tempt me to do otherwise...

Maybe the families couldn't afford professional help of this degree?

[fran]

I haven't had time to read all the posts on this thread but, imo........the "Young" family is now questioning the thoroughness of LE's investigative efforts.

Well, why don't they go on down there and talk to them. Give them any information THEY have that could help with the investigation. :doh:

This redherring isn't working for me. ;)

The husband's silence with LE is deafening!

JMHO
fran

[Masissy]

Kinda odd the tooth info came out and nothing else. One report says that JY family found it and reported it to the media. :waitasec: That tells me they are trying to take the heat off of JY. I sense an arrest soon....

[packerdog]

I don't think Jasons family did the actual cleaning, removing blood and all. I think they were probably there to let the cleaning crew in and over-see them. They may have looked under the bed and found it or something. I will say it again that defense attorneys love to find fault with LE. I always picture CSI on their hands and knees with that sticky tape picking up tiny fibers. This may be a small chip of the tooth, like I said it wouldn't come out by the root.

[packerdog]

Kinda odd the tooth info came out and nothing else. One report says that JY family found it and reported it to the media. :waitasec: That tells me they are trying to take the heat off of JY. I sense an arrest soon....

I agree Masissy. I think it's cover their a** time.

[strach304]

I haven't had time to read all the posts on this thread but, imo........the "Young" family is now questioning the thoroughness of LE's investigative efforts.

Well, why don't they go on down there and talk to them. Give them any information THEY have that could help with the investigation. :doh:

This redherring isn't working for me. ;)

The husband's silence with LE is deafening!

JMHO
fran

:clap: If I were inclined to believe the worst of people I'd say who killed Michele isn't on their priority list. They haven't been giving interviews to the media because they're grieving is understandable but the first time they do talk it's this?

[packerdog]

:clap: If I were inclined to believe the worst of people I'd say who killed Michele isn't on their priority list. They haven't been giving interviews to the media because they're grieving is understandable but the first time they do talk it's this?

Oh I agree with ya Strach. It seems they were looking for something to pounce on. Putting down the LE.

[MREG2]

Oh I agree with ya Strach. It seems they were looking for something to pounce on. Putting down the LE.

Ahhh....similarities to the Petersons. :sick:

[close_enough]

Ahhh....similarities to the Petersons. :sick:

yeah...more similarities...

if this is the case, then i don't think it'll do them any good...didn't help the P's...

[close_enough]

I don't think Jasons family did the actual cleaning, removing blood and all. I think they were probably there to let the cleaning crew in and over-see them. They may have looked under the bed and found it or something. I will say it again that defense attorneys love to find fault with LE. I always picture CSI on their hands and knees with that sticky tape picking up tiny fibers. This may be a small chip of the tooth, like I said it wouldn't come out by the root.

ya know packerdog....i tend to agree with you, after thinking about this last night...someone would have had to let a cleaning crew in & over-see things...that makes sense to me...i truly can't picture family in there with wash buckets, scrubbing things down....

[packerdog]

ya know packerdog....i tend to agree with you, after thinking about this last night...someone would have had to let a cleaning crew in & over-see things...that makes sense to me...i truly can't picture family in there with wash buckets, scrubbing things down....

I can't see them do the cleaning either. Le has names of cleaning services that do that type of thing. I do wonder if Jason was at the house when the tooth was found. It sounds like he will stay at the house. I remember that movie where this dentist killed his wife, I think with a barbell and it was a bloody scene in the master bedroom. His parents spent the night there after it was cleaned up and they turned off the lights and were in shock because the could see all the blood on the walls and floor from the luminol they used.

[scandi]

Good Morning,

Two thoughts so far today. In yesterdays link about finding the tooth one spokesman stated the tooth was very small. So I don't think it was the whole tooth if they thought it was Michelles. It was probably a chip off of one of her teeth.

And at CTV I read the theory that possibly JY's attorney told the Youngs to clean the house themselves. If anyone else did and they found something they would have to report it and the young family might not be privy to what was found. Also that if the Youngs cleaned the house there would be no leaks to the media about what the crime scene looked like and all the gory details. Then the poster said she wondered if anything else was found by the Youngs that was not reported along with the tooth!

I thought that was interesting. Scandi

[Taximom]

I haven't had time to read all the posts on this thread but, imo........the "Young" family is now questioning the thoroughness of LE's investigative efforts.

Well, why don't they go on down there and talk to them. Give them any information THEY have that could help with the investigation. :doh:

This redherring isn't working for me. ;)

JMHO
franExcellent point, Fran. (Just saw this!)

[Masissy]

Excellent point, Fran. (Just saw this!)
I agree. If my spouse was murdered the LE would have to run me off on a daily basis. I would be asking sooooooooo many questions and would not be satisfied until they were answered. Someone said the silence is deafening.

[raisincharlie]

From the tooth conversation on CC we now know the special machine was something (still unidentified) that was brought into the home to look specfically for trace evidence. No explaination as to how it works.


We also know from Amanda Lamb of WRAL who was on the show as well, that to her knowledge, JY still has not formally been interviewed by LE.

Sorry folks but IMO there is something very bad wrong with that. If innocent this is clear obstruction of the investigation into who killed his wife and beyond idiocy IMO. If he is involved well, he has that right - more power to him but I hope like heck he can't sleep knowing that the knock is going to come to his door. JMO

[Taximom]

From the tooth conversation on CC we now know the special machine was something (still unidentified) that was brought into the home to look specfically for trace evidence. No explaination as to how it works.


We also know from Amanda Lamb of WRAL who was on the show as well, that to her knowledge, JY still has not formally been interviewed by LE.

Sorry folks but IMO there is something very bad wrong with that. If innocent this is clear obstruction of the investigation into who killed his wife and beyond idiocy IMO. If he is involved well, he has that right - more power to him but I hope like heck he can't sleep knowing that the knock is going to come to his door. JMO
For lack of anything else to say re: this case...AMEN to that, raisincharlie and masissy.

:chicken: JY:chicken:

[scandi]

Maybe the carpet in the MB is a loopy shag that used to be popular many years back. It is an older home, and maybe they hadn't yet changed that carpet. If so that would speak as to why they needed a special machine to look for trace evidencd. If the forensics team realized the hairs on the loops of the carpet was not condusive to letting everything in that carpet be seen easily enough, it makes sense to me.

I'm sure many of you have lived with that carpet. It is awful to even vacuum and get clean, especially if it is worn.

Scandi

[fran]

How can LE possibly run a thorough investigation without an indepth interview with the person closest to her, her husband.

No, his friends run around the internet and make EXCUSES for every detail that has leaked of the case.

The only public word from his family is criticism of LE.

Obviously, this high flying attorney isn't media savvy.

FWIW, IF the tooth is connected to the case, it could have fallen out of a blanket or something when LE was wrapping it up for testing at their labs.

It seems the perp was the one with the weapon, I highly doubt, IF it is someone elses dna typed tooth, it has anything to do with the case. Like scandi said, carpet, especially older carpet, is hard to clean.

JMHO
fran

[j2mirish]

From the tooth conversation on CC we now know the special machine was something (still unidentified) that was brought into the home to look specfically for trace evidence. No explaination as to how it works.


We also know from Amanda Lamb of WRAL who was on the show as well, that to her knowledge, JY still has not formally been interviewed by LE.

Sorry folks but IMO there is something very bad wrong with that. If innocent this is clear obstruction of the investigation into who killed his wife and beyond idiocy IMO. If he is involved well, he has that right - more power to him but I hope like heck he can't sleep knowing that the knock is going to come to his door. JMOI am still flabergasted, that if it is true JY has not talked to LE---- is it possible that LE cannot demand a conversation, even with his lawyer present?
I dont know that answer, and I find it hard to believe they cant ask to talk to him or ,make him....what and I missing here???

[less0305]

I am still flabergasted, that if it is true JY has not talked to LE---- is it possible that LE cannot demand a conversation, even with his lawyer present?
I dont know that answer, and I find it hard to believe they cant ask to talk to him or ,make him....what and I missing here???




Maybe he won't talk to LE because he's missing a tooth.

[raisincharlie]

I am still flabergasted, that if it is true JY has not talked to LE---- is it possible that LE cannot demand a conversation, even with his lawyer present?
I dont know that answer, and I find it hard to believe they cant ask to talk to him or ,make him....what and I missing here???
LE can ask but JY is under no obligation to answer any questions, lawyer or not, he doesn't HAVE to talk with LE.

[Samiya]

There are a few different machines, one is blood/water sensitive (to see if the murder had a shower or washed up afterwards) another one is a special machine that allows blood not seen by the human eye (for example; after wall washing) to be seen under special lighting.

My guess is the blood light machine if pieces of dry wall are removed from the bedroom. It could possibly mean that the wall was splattered (and in blunt force trauma it would be even if Michelle was in or out of the bed) and that the perp spent enough time in the house to wipe down the walls, further 'trying to hide' the obvious crime that has occured.

If I am correct then the perp was an absolute idiot if he/she thought that Cassidy would leave her 'sleeping' mom alone (if she slept through it and woke in the morning). Kids of that age jump into bed with mommy and daddy if they wake up before them.

[fran]

:laugh:
Maybe he won't talk to LE because he's missing a tooth.

Now that's a thought! Good idea! :)

fran

[j2mirish]

LE can ask but JY is under no obligation to answer any questions, lawyer or not, he doesn't HAVE to talk with LE.
:eek: thats just not right--- innocent or guilty!! why no obligation when it is his wife that is dead?? I just dont get it :banghead:
thanks rc:blowkiss:

[j2mirish]

:laugh: Maybe he won't talk to LE because he's missing a tooth.
good one less-:clap:

[raisincharlie]

:eek: thats just not right--- innocent or guilty!! why no obligation when it is his wife that is dead?? I just dont get it :banghead:
thanks rc:blowkiss:
It is our right not to incriminate ourselves - so I'll shut up now. :p

[oceanblueeyes]

Maybe he won't talk to LE because he's missing a tooth.

:laugh: :laugh:

[j2mirish]

It is our right not to incriminate ourselves - so I'll shut up now. :p
i'm right there with ya !! :crazy:

[raisincharlie]

:laugh:


i'm right there with ya !! :crazy:

Are you trying to tell me something j2mirish ? Like yes I should :silenced: ?

[j2mirish]

:laugh:




Are you trying to tell me something j2mirish ? Like yes I should :silenced: ?
not at all--- I am telling ya--- I stay quiet for the most part around here, cause....it could backfire on me!!! Just like the post scandi made where she "told" the story of JY leaving the scence-- it was fabulous, but when I read my response, it almost sounds sarcastic--- and that is not what it was meant to be at all--- her wording was like a novel..... but my response didnt go the way i meant it to!! point I was trying to make is I will shut up now :silenced: :silenced: :silenced:

[scandi]

Gosh, somehow I missed your post J2mirish and now that I've read it I'll tell ya you put a smile on my face :blushing: . Thanks for the heartfelt compliment.

I think if we can visualize something it seems to make more sense. It's not hard to do if you really are passionate about what has happened and you maybe relate to the victim and her state of pregnancy, and then realize how this killer only cared about himself and was probably scared shi*less but did it anyway - with a little toddler and her family's dear old dog in relatively close proximity. It is absolutely outlandish when you think of it.

And then with your eyes wide open you write what you see. Whether it's a small boat running through the choppy, black waters of San Francisco Bay out to the sinking grounds with his pregnant wife in tow aside the boat, or a shriveled old man watching TV in his room with a very special young girl from nextdoor shackled in the closet, wasting away. You just have to feel what it was that griped your soal. And then sit down at your keyboard.

:blowkiss: Scandi

[Mama-cita]

Gosh, somehow I missed your post J2mirish and now that I've read it I'll tell ya you put a smile on my face :blushing: . Thanks for the heartfelt compliment.

I think if we can visualize something it seems to make more sense. It's not hard to do if you really are passionate about what has happened and you maybe relate to the victim and her state of pregnancy, and then realize how this killer only cared about himself and was probably scared shi*less but did it anyway - with a little toddler and her family's dear old dog in relatively close proximity. It is absolutely outlandish when you think of it.

And then with your eyes wide open you write what you see. Whether it's a small boat running through the choppy, black waters of San Francisco Bay out to the sinking grounds with his pregnant wife in tow aside the boat, or a shriveled old man watching TV in his room with a very special young girl from nextdoor shackled in the closet, wasting away. You just have to feel what it was that griped your soal. And then sit down at your keyboard.

:blowkiss: Scandi
Wow did you write one for the Peterson case, I would LOVE to read it if you did, you've got a gift!

[scandi]

Oh no, Mamacita, I only write here where I can expound once in awhile when I feel that passion ignited inside of me, and my friends here won't mind. After 3 years they know me. :rolleyes:

Scandi

ETA: Mamasita, I often thought of writing a book about the Peterson case but I didn't as no one would have ever bought it, it was so sad. It would have been written from the mind of the killer, how he thought about things, responded, reasoned out how he could lie about this and no one would suspect and how he lost count of his lies because he never kept good track.

And how he swung around in arrogance when he went out one Sunday to ditch some accoutrements to the crime, close to the Old Modesto Dump, and then sat down at an outside table along that road and ate a full plate of B B Q'ed Chicken, and licked his fingers.

Ohhh I'm totally OT. Sorry LOL

[Samiya]

Hey I'd buy it Scandi. You do have a good mind :)

Finger Licking Good. lol

Oh and I'd like it autographed please :)

[Samiya]

Maybe he won't talk to LE because he's missing a tooth.:laugh: :laugh: :hand: :laugh: :laugh: :doh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :silenced:

[raisincharlie]

not at all--- I am telling ya--- I stay quiet for the most part around here, cause....it could backfire on me!!! Just like the post scandi made where she "told" the story of JY leaving the scence-- it was fabulous, but when I read my response, it almost sounds sarcastic--- and that is not what it was meant to be at all--- her wording was like a novel..... but my response didnt go the way i meant it to!! point I was trying to make is I will shut up now :silenced: :silenced: :silenced:
I was just teasing you ! Honest. Most of us are not as gifted as Scandi in that we can get our point across in the written word without it being perhaps misunderstood. Part of the challenge to a written forum is trying to figure how to write in a way that is as clear as if standing together talking. All I can say is thankfully there are those little emoticons or most of the time I would be in big trouble!

Don't be quiet, your thoughts are important ! What you say could well help someone understand or get them to thinking - that's a good thing. I can't speak for anyone else but I can tell you that I often get too one tracked. I always appreciate it when someone throws out something I missed or didn't think of or wouldn't allow myself to think of. So come on, don't be shy - help us out here.

:)

[Bee Charmer]

Maybe he won't talk to LE because he's missing a tooth.
Very witty!!! :clap:

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Good Morning,

Two thoughts so far today. In yesterdays link about finding the tooth one spokesman stated the tooth was very small. So I don't think it was the whole tooth if they thought it was Michelles. It was probably a chip off of one of her teeth.

Scandi

Hi scandi 'n all (thanks everyone for the links - great thoughts...). Lol, scandi, read your post and that statement got me to immediately fast forward to trial:

"Do you swear to tell the tooth, the whole tooth and nuttin but the tooth?"

Hmmm. A tooth left behind. I agree with Evelyn, this may very well be used to get a handle on PR. Neverthless, it's not as if a hair was overlooked. This was a tooth. Rage, anger, determination spring to mind! Aside from the fact that one can only imagine the horrific and clearly repeated force Michelle took for that tooth to fly, we're left with a closer understanding of the officer's statement that this was a horrific crime scene.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I can't see them do the cleaning either. Le has names of cleaning services that do that type of thing. I do wonder if Jason was at the house when the tooth was found. It sounds like he will stay at the house. I remember that movie where this dentist killed his wife, I think with a barbell and it was a bloody scene in the master bedroom. His parents spent the night there after it was cleaned up and they turned off the lights and were in shock because the could see all the blood on the walls and floor from the luminol they used.

Hi packerdog. I remember that - wasn't there a movie about this crime? :doh: Can't get my brain to think hard enough! That exact scene is what I remember so clesrly - the green luminol on the walls and the husband's parents seeing it. In fact, didn't they change their opinion of his involvment after that?

Fran: good point about not talking - and when they do, it's about a mistake LE made (if it's true JY's family found the tooth, that is). Well, I've been away from forum 2 days and have returned STILL believing JY's involved!

Hey, less0305! Long time ... Lol - :laugh: :laugh: laugh:
didn't talk to LE cos he was missin a tooth ... !

[dotcom]

Maybe that perp took the tooth after the murder and preserved it for a much later date . . . a little insurance, in case things didn't go as planned . . . probably thought this would throw some mud in the water if the investigation got a little too close!

[Taximom]

Hi scandi 'n all (thanks everyone for the links - great thoughts...). Lol, scandi, read your post and that statement got me to immediately fast forward to trial:

"Do you swear to tell the tooth, the whole tooth and nuttin but the tooth?"

Hmmm. A tooth left behind. I agree with Evelyn, this may very well be used to get a handle on PR. Neverthless, it's not as if a hair was overlooked. This was a tooth. Rage, anger, determination spring to mind! Aside from the fact that one can only imagine the horrific and clearly repeated force Michelle took for that tooth to fly, we're left with a closer understanding of the officer's statement that this was a horrific crime scene.
Ohhh, PSA. You and Scandi got me thinking

"If the tooth don't fit, you must acquit!"

(:chicken: running)

[raisincharlie]

Maybe that perp took the tooth after the murder and preserved it for a much later date . . . a little insurance, in case things didn't go as planned . . . probably thought this would throw some mud in the water if the investigation got a little too close!Kind of like getting a receipt at a boat dock or a receipt for a hocked watch ? Stranger things have happened - entirely possible - good thought !

ETA - it seems to have worked, many are wondering how LE could have missed it.

[strach304]

:laugh: [QUOTE=PolkSaladAnnie

"Do you swear to tell the tooth, the whole tooth and nuttin but the tooth?

I'm in agreement with everyone else about interviewing Jason or should say not interviewing him. It's like this, should there be a trial defense will jump all over the tooth oversight and even go as far to accuse LE of targeting Jason and noone else but he chooses not to help by identifying possible missing items, etc. They sure went to LE and the media real fast on the tooth. If I were a juror I'd be very bothered about that. Of course there may be other factors at play that we don't know about so this is just my opinion on what we know so far.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

:laugh:

"If the tooth don't fit, you must acquit!"

(:chicken: running)

Heh ... if Geragos was handling this, he'd have said:

MISTRIAL!!! It was a blue-tooth!

(and I'm delighted Scott misses these techno cell-phone gadgets, lol)

[PolkSaladAnnie]

:laugh: [QUOTE=PolkSaladAnnie

"Do you swear to tell the tooth, the whole tooth and nuttin but the tooth?

I'm in agreement with everyone else about interviewing Jason or should say not interviewing him. It's like this, should there be a trial defense will jump all over the tooth oversight and even go as far to accuse LE of targeting Jason and noone else but he chooses not to help by identifying possible missing items, etc. They sure went to LE and the media real fast on the tooth. If I were a juror I'd be very bothered about that. Of course there may be other factors at play that we don't know about so this is just my opinion on what we know so far.

Yes, I'd be bothered, too, strach. Until, that is, the prosecution show the court the velocity and viciousness of the blows ... and HOW many OTHER teeth were knocked out ... and that a few were found, one could easily have got lodged under a piece of carpet. .... OR ... It remained in the murder weapon and before JY got rid of it ... on one of his return trips home, he planted it.

That's why LE photograph and peg EVERY SINGLE SPEC of evidence - pick it up with gloves and bag it. Did JY's family do this? We don't and won't know right now. Nevertheless, this may have been overlooked and agreed: ERROR by LE.

If it was found in the room, it should not have been picked up and handed to LE. ERROR by family.

Equalizer!!

JY invested a fortune in Smith: should have called him in PLUS LE and photographed it in the usual way. We'd need to know if this happened 'procedurally correct', so to speak.

O/T !!! OMG!!! SA just won the Rugby 7's! minutes ago!! :woohoo:

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Kind of like getting a receipt at a boat dock or a receipt for a hocked watch ? Stranger things have happened - entirely possible - good thought !

ETA - it seems to have worked, many are wondering how LE could have missed it.

Hey charlie. How y'doing?

[close_enough]

you can bet that this tooth is NOT JY's.....it wouldn't have been 'found' by his family if it were.....JMO

"if the tooth don't fit, you must acquit!"......very funny, TM..lol

[packerdog]

I would think that they would replace the pad and carpet instead of having it cleaned. Blood would have soaked into the plywood flooring below the pad even. So did his sister find the tooth before it was cleaned? She would have had to if it was replaced. Were they just standing there looking at the bloody crime scene and the sisters says look , I just found a piece of a tooth? I just can't imagine them even looking at it. I wonder if Jason was there at the time. I could never see that bedroom the way it was after the murder of a loved one.

[scandi]

Good Morning Everyone,

Having slept while I was thinking about the tooth :rolleyes: , I've got this feeling that 'small' tooth, or piece of tooth that at CTV they say was found under the bed {acc to CC show}, belonged to the dog.

One of the insiders posted the dog had a sore side and side of the head. We don't know if that is truely the case, but it sure goes along with the finding of a tooth. And finding it under the bed where a dog might go to spit it out makes sense too.

If you had a piece of broken human tooth would it look like a piece of dog tooth? I know we have many pet experts here, and they might know.

Scandi

PS: Sorry as I posted this somewhere here last night but don't know exactly where!

PSS: Missed you yesterday Annie - thought you'd left for England.

[strach304]

I would think that they would replace the pad and carpet instead of having it cleaned. Blood would have soaked into the plywood flooring below the pad even. So did his sister find the tooth before it was cleaned? She would have had to if it was replaced. Were they just standing there looking at the bloody crime scene and the sisters says look , I just found a piece of a tooth? I just can't imagine them even looking at it. I wonder if Jason was there at the time. I could never see that bedroom the way it was after the murder of a loved one.

It was found under the bed which makes it all the more absurd imo. What was she looking for under the bed or whatever she was doing?

[PolkSaladAnnie]

It was found under the bed which makes it all the more absurd imo. What was she looking for under the bed or whatever she was doing?

strach, with such a FORCEFUL blow - teeth have been known 'to go flying'... Is it possible one tooth ricocheted off the waal, a bed post .. etc?

Think of when us gals lose a pierced-aearring stud ... they bounce into the most inconceivable places.

Just thinking along with your thoughts ...

[scandi]

I think the first thing they would do in attacking the clean-up job would be to move any furniture away from the area where Michelle was found. That is where the concentration of blood was that might need a first initial cleaning or soaking before they could shampoo.

So having done that, moving the bed, they could have seen an outline made by blood and blood spatter where the bed had been exactly before it was moved. That would be how his sister knew the tooth would have been under and not to the side of the bed.

I'm just wondering if it were Michelle's, how would it get under the bed? I can see the dog going somewhere private to throw up or spit it out like under the bed. The only way it could get under there if it was Michelle's would be if it were kicked under the bed, right? That doesn't sound too plausible to me.

They said they thought it was hers so it probably was. For them to make a subjective comment like that is unusual unless they knew, right? How did it end up under the bed? Would CCSI have moved the bed?

Scandi

[PolkSaladAnnie]

scandi, hon , this may sound gory - but I am imagining the swing of a golfer and the tooth being the ball on the 'tee'.

Visualize the swing, and the power behid the swing - then the connection with the ball. How often have we see the 'tee' fly off in the wake of the swing? That's how I picture this: An almight forceful blow that connects, cracks or breaks the jawline and bludgeons the mouth ... for teeth to 'FLY' - the victim's head would not have been face down.

There had to be 'space' that allowed the victim to move in tandem with the natural energy-flow of the swing. Just as sweat 'flies' on slo-mo in a bozing match - so we have to imagine the teetch flying from the blunt force trauma.

The perp did not want MY to survive and she was cornered, in her bed, as she slept...

May have lifeted her head and the next blow followed.

Just my views on all of this ...

[peepers20056]

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[peepers20056]

I had to come back & Sorry for my spelling.I get nervous try my finger's do the running so to speak.I am burning a ST.Padre Pio candle Alll to be OKAY.:( :angel: :angel: :angel:

[raisincharlie]

I had to come back & Sorry for my spelling.I get nervous try my finger's do the running so to speak.I am burning a ST.Padre Pio candle Alll to be OKAY.:( :angel: :angel: :angel:
Peepers,

Thanks for your thoughts - we got hit with this storm - for us it was mostly ice - about an inch and a half then 12 inches of snow. We are doing okay, running on generators and have a couple of fireplaces and room for some neighbors. It will soon be back to normal and so far I have heard of no dire consequences resulting from the storm in this area. Again thank you for your kind thoughts - appreciate it. :)

[peepers20056]

Thank you so much for your reply. Much appreciated. When I read your reply all at the same the sun come blaring through my window onto the screen of my computer. good news often comes in mysteriousways.:eek: :angel: Happy to hear your okay.

[oceanblueeyes]

I would think that they would replace the pad and carpet instead of having it cleaned. Blood would have soaked into the plywood flooring below the pad even. So did his sister find the tooth before it was cleaned? She would have had to if it was replaced. Were they just standing there looking at the bloody crime scene and the sisters says look , I just found a piece of a tooth? I just can't imagine them even looking at it. I wonder if Jason was there at the time. I could never see that bedroom the way it was after the murder of a loved one.

Exactly. We dont know if the carpet was saturated or how thick it was...it may have only been fine sprays on it but you are right if it is soaked then the carpet must be taken up and the plywood beneath it treated and this doesn't happen in just one day's cleaning either. Special chemicals have to be applied and then they bring in huge blowers. Biological materials will breed if not completely removed and will become a health hazard.

I think that most of the blood was found on the bed itself including headboard and walls. Maybe even some back swing blood spatter slung on the ceiling from the weapon used. I have seen cases where LE have investigated how tall someone would have to be and how high they would have to swing the weapon for blood to land on the ceiling. It gives them (if weapon was not left behind) a general size used.

I also think Michelle had multiple fractures and breaks to her teeth. Somehow they missed this one. Could have landed in a very out of the way place and overlooked.

At least it was found before any arrest has been made.

IMO

Ocean

[packerdog]

Exactly. We dont know if the carpet was saturated or how thick it was...it may have only been fine sprays on it but you are right if it is soaked then the carpet must be taken up and the plywood beneath it treated and this doesn't happen in just one day's cleaning either. Special chemicals have to be applied and then they bring in huge blowers. Biological materials will breed if not completely removed and will become a health hazard.

I think that most of the blood was found on the bed itself including headboard and walls. Maybe even some back swing blood spatter slung on the ceiling from the weapon used. I have seen cases where LE have investigated how tall someone would have to be and how high they would have to swing the weapon for blood to land on the ceiling. It gives them (if weapon was not left behind) a general size used.

I also think Michelle had multiple fractures and breaks to her teeth. Somehow they missed this one. Could have landed in a very out of the way place and overlooked.

At least it was found before any arrest has been made.

IMO

Ocean

Right Ocean, they have lots of ways to find out how tall the murderer was where he struck and with what forced was used. Just as blood splatters so could teeth if it was a forceful blow to the head. I just can't imagine not changing the carpet if they live there or sell the home. I also wonder what color the carpet was, if it's light and blood sat on it for 13 days, I would think it would be hard to remove.

[strach304]

strach, with such a FORCEFUL blow - teeth have been known 'to go flying'... Is it possible one tooth ricocheted off the waal, a bed post .. etc?

Think of when us gals lose a pierced-aearring stud ... they bounce into the most inconceivable places.

Just thinking along with your thoughts ...

Oh yeah sure, not wondering how it got under the bed at all but rather how Jason's sister came to find it there? After reading some of the other posters threads I'm envisioning how hard she had to have been hit to make her teeth fly out is just awful! :sick:

[strach304]

Yes, I'd be bothered, too, strach. Until, that is, the prosecution show the court the velocity and viciousness of the blows ... and HOW many OTHER teeth were knocked out ... and that a few were found, one could easily have got lodged under a piece of carpet. .... OR ... It remained in the murder weapon and before JY got rid of it ... on one of his return trips home, he planted it.

That's why LE photograph and peg EVERY SINGLE SPEC of evidence - pick it up with gloves and bag it. Did JY's family do this? We don't and won't know right now. Nevertheless, this may have been overlooked and agreed: ERROR by LE.

If it was found in the room, it should not have been picked up and handed to LE. ERROR by family.

Equalizer!!

JY invested a fortune in Smith: should have called him in PLUS LE and photographed it in the usual way. We'd need to know if this happened 'procedurally correct', so to speak.

O/T !!! OMG!!! SA just won the Rugby 7's! minutes ago!! :woohoo:

No I wasn't talking about them overlooking the tooth being a problem but that it would be brought up by the defense yes. As a juror I'd be bothered that Jason didn't help investigators identify missing items from the house but are quick to run to them with what they did find and blab to the media. See? The situation being the tooth. Of course now add to that the lawyer right away because neither Jason or his family can say that he didn't have legal representation at that time because he did and could've surely taken his lawyer with him just like he did for the dna and fingerprinting order.

[AlwaysShocked]

"Right Ocean, they have lots of ways to find out how tall the murderer was where he struck and with what forced was used."

I disagree about "LOTS of ways". But, yes, if there is blood spatter, a blood spatter expert can testify.

[scandi]

Oh, blood spatter. We don't have a thread for the crime scene per se, but I just watched a Forensic Files about the death of Maria Lehner {sp} who was killed by John Memmer. The key piece of evidence in the case was on dark brown spot on his shoe about the size of a pin head.

They used a swab and pure water to get a sample of it, and sure enough it was Maria's blood. I believe she was pregnant too as he got two life sentences.

In our case, if they found a spot of Michelle's blood on his shoe or in the metal band of his watch, wouldn't that alone be enough to nail him for her murder?

I'm torn now with all of these fingerprints being taken to match one they have found that must be a meaningful one from where they found it. I wonder if LE thinks the crime looks like a two person crime and he had an assistant at the house with him. Then again the Sheriff saie 'the' arrest, so it leaves me going :waitasec:

I just hear 'Daddy did it' too clearly on that 911 tape.

Scandi

[oceanblueeyes]

No I wasn't talking about them overlooking the tooth being a problem but that it would be brought up by the defense yes. As a juror I'd be bothered that Jason didn't help investigators identify missing items from the house but are quick to run to them with what they did find and blab to the media. See? The situation being the tooth. Of course now add to that the lawyer right away because neither Jason or his family can say that he didn't have legal representation at that time because he did and could've surely taken his lawyer with him just like he did for the dna and fingerprinting order.

Would a jury be told that? I thought everyone had a right not to talk to police and that cant be held against him. I am not sure that would be entered at trial by the presiding Judge.

But Jason has not blabbed anything to the media has he? LOL I wish he "would" talk.

[fran]

Would a jury be told that? I thought everyone had a right not to talk to police and that cant be held against him. I am not sure that would be entered at trial by the presiding Judge.

But Jason has not blabbed anything to the media has he? LOL I wish he "would" talk.

Hi oceanblueeyes:

I think it can't be held against a defendent if he doesn't testify in his own behalf during trial. I got off on that point for jury duty. Long story, but because of an incident involving someone I know where there was a 'false' statement by one in authority, I've decided that anyone not testifying IF people are lying about them on the stand, then they should have just pleaded guilty and be ready to do their time. Otherwise, get up there and let the jury know whatever bad that has been spoken about them is just plain not true. Just my opinion

I do believe they could tell a jury that he never gave LE a statement after he returned. That, IMHO, speaks volumes. There's only one reason a husband would refuse or avoid LE if his wife were killed when he was supposed to be out of town. But of course, a jury would have to make up their own mind on why he didn't talk to LE.

JMHO
fran

[Samiya]

Maybe the reason he hasn't been interviewed is, apart from being told not to...they may not want to interview him because the last thing LE need is two different statements from him in court..one where he denies it all the way through and second one where he may just break down and admit it.....and JY's stepfather screaming they forced the confession out of him, and in court JY's Lawyer deliberately mixing up the statements to confuse a jury and force reasonable doubt in their minds.

[strach304]

Would a jury be told that? I thought everyone had a right not to talk to police and that cant be held against him. I am not sure that would be entered at trial by the presiding Judge.

But Jason has not blabbed anything to the media has he? LOL I wish he "would" talk.

I'm sure his lawyer would file a motion not to allow it in because it would be prejudicial but otherwise I don't see why not. If the prosecutor wants it in he'd have to argue it on merits. What do I know I'm not a lawyer. I guess after Scott Peterson they all know not to talk to the media but my point about that was his family which I specified in the first post but ran it together I see to make it look like I meant Jason only.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

scandi and Ocean - hiya :)

Re blood spatter: my speculation on a different theory ONLY...

For argument's sakes, let's say MY was on the floor, near the bed and wall. If there was low-lying blood spatter and Meredith could not move her, we have to assume (or imagine) that MY was almost 'boxed in' or in a really difficult position.

Cassie had been wandering all over the place as is testimony to the bloody foortprints. Cassie may easily have obliviously squeezed past and therefore smeared, critical blood spatter identification as she trotted around, over and next to her mommy. This is only a possibility - but fairly valid especially if Cassie had been there all morning and wondering why her mommy didn't wake up.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I'm sure his lawyer would file a motion not to allow it in because it would be prejudicial but otherwise I don't see why not. If the prosecutor wants it in he'd have to argue it on merits. What do I know I'm not a lawyer. I guess after Scott Peterson they all know not to talk to the media but my point about that was his family which I specified in the first post but ran it together I see to make it look like I meant Jason only.

Geez, Scott Peterson didn't just take the birthday cake re the media-chats. He stormed the entire party! :doh:

As an aside, strach... Sometimes I have difficulty with the right to remain silent .... which law, in and of itself I do recognize and appreciate. However, it seems to me (in my own dimbulb brain that is) that this often overlaps to border on "the right not to co-operate". Now that's where these court-ordered search warrants, docs, probable cause etc comes in - I agree but raise my eyebrows to be forced to "willingly comply with the basics only".

HOWEVER... when one is so heavily lawyered up within hours of your spouse being murdered then this right transcends into the safety and security of many people in a given community. They too, really need evidence that there was indeed: "no random killer...". They have rights, too, surely?

Sorry, I think the above is garbled - but I'm just mad this guy has shut up and shut out. Again: why criminal defense attornies? What crime does he want to defend?

[AlwaysShocked]

Re: fingerprinting friends and family members. I think they do this to eliminate prints they have found in the house, so they can determine if there are any stranger's prints in the house.

I do not think it means they are trying to "match" a fingerprint at this time.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Re: fingerprinting friends and family members. I think they do this to eliminate prints they have found in the house, so they can determine if there are any stranger's prints in the house.

I do not think it means they are trying to "match" a fingerprint at this time.

Sure, AlwaysShocked .... I also don't think there's a sinister print hanging around. Also, MY had friends over the night before, so there are already multiple sets of prints involved ..

[fran]

Sure, AlwaysShocked .... I also don't think there's a sinister print hanging around. Also, MY had friends over the night before, so there are already multiple sets of prints involved ..

I think it's also not just 'who's' prints they may find, but 'where' they find them. If they find someone's prints somewhere in the house where they shouldn't be, well.............

JMHO
fran

[Taximom]

I think it's also not just 'who's' prints they may find, but 'where' they find them. If they find someone's prints somewhere in the house where they shouldn't be, well.............

JMHO
fran
This made me chuckle thinking about those people that peek into your medicine cabinets or other places when visiting.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
This made me chuckle thinking about those people that peek into your medicine cabinets or other places when visiting.

TAXImommmmm!

Some people are really wierd, eh?. I could never go into even another ROOM at a friend's house without them - let alone investigate their cupboards and cabinets! :eek: I suppose I should catch a wake-up.

[oceanblueeyes]

Sure, AlwaysShocked .... I also don't think there's a sinister print hanging around. Also, MY had friends over the night before, so there are already multiple sets of prints involved ..

But Polk, surely LE must think there are sinister prints dont they? If not then why the need to exclude/include them?

Ocean

[PolkSaladAnnie]

But Polk, surely LE must think there are sinister prints dont they? If not then why the need to exclude/include them?

Ocean

Hi Ocean.... :) Yep, in the general scheme of things, a sinister print would be pivotal to the case. In this case (going on LE's confidence that this is not a random murder), I personally don't think they're looking for an 'unknown' print.

That's what I meant by sinister... (the unknown)

I DO think they're matching prints from all those KNOWN to have have been in the Young household. This is just a guess on my side - but ... IF ... there had been help, (cleaners, odd job/handymen, phone/TV company, etc) they will be onto these to determine the owners (ETA: print vs owner matches that is).

This would support LE's comment the crime was not a random murder ... there IS NO questionable print hanging around that the defense might turn around and say "A-HAH! you didn't check that one out...".

Didn';t mean to use wrong choice of word, Ocean.

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