Travelling Distances Between Places

[Samiya]

Wake County Sheriff to 5108 Birchleaf 00:13:21 hrs 7.71 miles

(Meredith approx home location)
Fuquay-Varina to 5108 Birchleaf Dr 35 minutes 36 seconds. 21.09 miles

From Merediths possible workplace ***Lucky 32 Cary to 5108 Birchleaf Rd 00:11:49 hrs 6.86 miles

7307 Tryon Rd Cary to Fuquay-Varina (Meredith approx home location to ***possible work location 1) it could be less than that time and mileage in the two above. Knowing her actual zip code would help as there are numerous for F-V area. The zip code I used was 27526

34 minutes 51 seconds
22.70 miles

(Meredith possible work locations)
***Lucky 32 Cary
7307 Tryon Road
Cary, North Carolina 27511

Fastest route 11 minutes 49 seconds
6.86 miles

Lucky 32 Greensboro
1421 Westover Terrace
Greensboro, North Carolina 27408

fastest route: 1 hour 25 mins and 41 seconds
82.73 miles

Lucky 32 Winston-Salem
109 South Stratford Road
Winston-Salem, North Carolina 27104

Fastest route: 1 hour 50 minutes 38 seconds
108.43 miles

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From 5108 Birchleaf to Brevard (zip 28712)
Fastest Route 05:22:10 hrs
306.25 miles

[Samiya]

Dang it.....need Virginia info **insert childish pout** Come on Jas/LE/anyone wanna leak info.....I'll even give ya a dollar, lol.

[Samiya]

Birchleaf Rd to:

South Hill VA 01:48:55 hrs
South Hill VA to Brevard NC 06:15:18 hrs Note. Would take him through Sth Carolina
Boydton VA 01:45:10 hrs
Boydton VA to Brevard NC 06:14:42 hrs
South Boston VA 01:59:38 hrs
South Boston VA to Brevard NC 05:33:03 hrs Note. Would take him through Sth Carolina
Hillsville VA 02:50:54 hrs
Hillsville to Brevard NC04:15:27 hrs
Note. Would take him through Sth Carolina = This map seems to only take folks one way from these places via Sth Carolina. Other routes are obvious on the maps I'm seeing so will try another online mapping site later as well. I'm off for a couple hours sleep, lol, it's nearly 4am here.

If anyone has names of Virginian towns closer to 5108 Birchleaf Dr,please list them if you like and I'll check on them.

[raisincharlie]

Birchleaf Rd to:

South Hill VA 01:48:55 hrs
South Hill VA to Brevard NC 06:15:18 hrs Note. Would take him through Sth Carolina
Boydton VA 01:45:10 hrs
Boydton VA to Brevard NC 06:14:42 hrs
South Boston VA 01:59:38 hrs
South Boston VA to Brevard NC 05:33:03 hrs Note. Would take him through Sth Carolina
Hillsville VA 02:50:54 hrs
Hillsville to Brevard NC04:15:27 hrs
Note. Would take him through Sth Carolina = This map seems to only take folks one way from these places via Sth Carolina. Other routes are obvious on the maps I'm seeing so will try another online mapping site later as well. I'm off for a couple hours sleep, lol, it's nearly 4am here.

If anyone has names of Virginian towns closer to 5108 Birchleaf Dr,please list them if you like and I'll check on them.
I think Blacksburg VA has possibilities, ChartOne does have an office there. Even Roanoke is a possiblity and within a reasonable drive time.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hmmmm.... help! Did I read somewhere recently (maybe CourtTV...) that South Carolina came into all of this??? 3 states were visited, right? Would these be Va, NC and SC???

[Samiya]

Birchleaf address to

Blacksburg VA 03:40:35 hrs
Blacksburg VA to Brevard04:28:07 hrs
Roanoke VA (zip 24001) 03:14:08 hrs
Roanoke VA to Brevard 04:48:46 hrs

Roanoke VA (zip 24048) 03:15:14 hrsRoanoke VA to Brevard 04:45:46 hrs

[raisincharlie]

Hmmmm.... help! Did I read somewhere recently (maybe CourtTV...) that South Carolina came into all of this??? 3 states were visited, right? Would these be Va, NC and SC???
SC could be one - Anderson SC in particular, not far from Brevard and has a Chart One office as well. But I believe the three states are other than NC. So VA if the friend's information is correct that JY went there for his meeting. At this point, all we have is what Fusell said in the paper that he was told JY went to VA. I don't know if that is reality either, for that matter.

I'm thinking SC, TN, and VA as possibilities. But one can't rule out that one of these states may be well out of the area - for example a Chart One Corporate office in Mass to review computer emails, expense reports, and such... or company paid phone records.

[raisincharlie]

Birchleaf address to

Blacksburg VA 03:40:35 hrs
Blacksburg VA to Brevard04:28:07 hrs
Roanoke VA (zip 24001) 03:14:08 hrs
Roanoke VA to Brevard 04:48:46 hrs

Roanoke VA (zip 24048) 03:15:14 hrsRoanoke VA to Brevard 04:45:46 hrs
Not bad distances or times huh?

[Samiya]

Hmmmm.... help! Did I read somewhere recently (maybe CourtTV...) that South Carolina came into all of this??? 3 states were visited, right? Would these be Va, NC and SC???Hon they said in the news report 3 OTHER states (meaning 3 other than NC) and guess what?

It seems ole Roanoke would take him through Tennessee soooo....

BINGO!

the 3 other states.....Tennessee, South Carolina and Virginia

:laugh: Take THAT Court TV forum, lol.

Now that it's 0421 here, I'm gone

[Samiya]

Not bad distances or times huh?I agree on that. You could even put his time of leaving earlier....especially if friend/s arrived say.......about an hour to an hour and a half BEFORE Grey's Anatomy started.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

SC could be one - Anderson SC in particular, not far from Brevard and has a Chart One office as well. But I believe the three states are other than NC. So VA if the friend's information is correct that JY went there for his meeting. At this point, all we have is what Fusell said in the paper that he was told JY went to VA. I don't know if that is reality either, for that matter.

I'm thinking SC, TN, and VA as possibilities. But one can't rule out that one of these states may be well out of the area - for example a Chart One Corporate office in Mass to review computer emails, expense reports, and such... or company paid phone records.

OK, thanks .... I didn't stop to consider NC may be out of the equation and that the reference means 3 additional states.

OK - so Fussel stated JY went to VA...: and his My Space (or whateva) has gone private - so clearly he's been hounded or approached by the press - thus we might accept he's not prepared to broaden/support his statement. Clearly Chart One are not spilling any beans in their can...

However, in a recent report, didn't the sheriff claim 3 states are involved - plus some majestic number of witnesses or leads... (near the 100 mark). I think they're zooming in to cut and wrap.

They MAY have visited other states based on JY's work history (prior to and outside of the murder) to determine his usual pattern of work - were prearranged appointments made; would he cold call; would he ne requested to make these vists - and indeed - if he'd even travelled before.

LE's Jam Jar has to have a brilliantly design seal; no air can escape - there has to be absolutely NO way the smallest oversight may be rejected. I think there is serious attention paid to every micro and macro detail regarding long distance trips.

Once that's established, they may cut to the chase with the latest business trip - and compare it to history, importance, actual and fact. Then they'll take the variance and highlight THAT.

Just rambling ... just taking a different view, lol.

Polk ... :)

[sweetmop]

The 3 states where LE has extended the investigation could very well be Tn , Va and SC... but I have other possibilites (uh oh!!! ) What about Virginia ( where JY supposedly had business meeting ), New York, (Where Michelle was originally from) and Florida ( JY'S possible gf?!?!?) Just mere thoughts and mho. What do you all think?

[PolkSaladAnnie]

sweetie sweetmop - If the (alleged) g/f is true - I'd hazard a guess and say he sure has snuk down there (prob pretending to MY he was elsewhere...) ... and indeed I could see the other towns fall onto his map ... but NOT in a 12 hour time frame unless he pretended to drive and actually flew everywhere...

You just reminded me of the g/f rumour. Is this one of those "no smoke - no fire" things or is it complete fabrication. Time will tell, hon - but great thoughts to rekindle a few ideas that circulated.

[raisincharlie]

The 3 states where LE has extended the investigation could very well be Tn , Va and SC... but I have other possibilites (uh oh!!! ) What about Virginia ( where JY supposedly had business meeting ), New York, (Where Michelle was originally from) and Florida ( JY'S possible gf?!?!?) Just mere thoughts and mho. What do you all think?
Sweetmop,

I think your suggestions are just as good and as sensible as any that any of us could make at this point. It is definitely a puzzle to which we have very few pieces. Who knows, we may all be surprised, shocked, horrified, or smacking our heads because it was so simple when its all said and done. :)

[strach304]

Maybe I missed something but it can't be both Va. and SC. and Tn. right? SC instead of Va. for the business meeting?

[raisincharlie]

Maybe I missed something but it can't be both Va. and SC. and Tn. right? SC instead of Va. for the business meeting?
Strach,

I think (notice I said "think") we are looking at possible routes of travel between business meeting supposedly in VA and arrival in Brevard. It seems logical police would try to trace that route and canvass places where perhaps JY used a credit card for gas etc. in an effort to establish his whereabouts from Thursday evening until he arrived in Brevard.

I may have just confused you more.

[raisincharlie]

Samiya,


Throwing some more mud into the waters here, I have found a couple of Chart One customers. Interesting and actually one of them (Roswell GA) could explain the swing by to the folks.

1. Anne Reed, RHIA, director of Health Information Management at North Fulton Regional Hospital in Roswell, Georgia, will use eWebCoding to connect an off-site surgery center to her organization's central coding department. Two HCA Facilities Solve Coding Dilemmas with eWebCoding

2. Henrico Doctors' Hospital and Chippenham Medical Center, both located in Richmond, Virginia, will send their coders home with eWebCoding.

Roswell is near Atlanta and within 3 hours drive time of Brevard. I keep going back to Fusell's comments about the "head start" - this tends to indicate a longer type of drive for a meeting. I'm thinking Roswell - of course with my streak of figuring - most likely not - but a possibility. You might want to look at your maps and see what you think.

FWIW - either of these could support the theory that JY stayed in the area - commited the crime and left town.

link to eWebCoding: http://www.chartone.com/products/ewebcoding.php

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Samiya,


Throwing some more mud into the waters here, I have found a couple of Chart One customers. Interesting and actually one of them (Roswell GA) could explain the swing by to the folks.



:eek:

ROSWELL ?????

No!


:eek: -- :eek: -- :eek:

Geragos was onto something! Aliens did it!

j/k... just got back from a loooong day and reading up. great posts and thoughts. Night al. cya tmw or next day...
POLK :blowkiss:

[raisincharlie]

I'm thinking we have been looking in the wrong places. Roswell or Anderson SC are looking better.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?111606/111606_greta_mom&On_the_Record&Who%20Killed%20Michelle%20Young%3F&Who%20Killed%20Michelle%20Young%3F&On%20the%20Record&-1&Shows&880&&&col

Watch the video with the picture of MY - its 18 minutes long but note the following times:

15:52 - 15:44 Amanda Lamb references the fax and a fax machine in the house.

15:40 - 15:20 Amanda Lamb indicates that JY initially told investigators he was in Brevard after a business meeting near Brevard when his wife was found.

She repeats this information around 14:47


I am searching for a link where Sheriff Harrison indicates that family alibi's aren't always correct - anyone else remember this and where it came from? Note this is also the report where the windows around the front door can be seen. Will keep looking for the link.

[Samiya]

I'm thinking we have been looking in the wrong places. Roswell or Anderson SC are looking better.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?111606/111606_greta_mom&On_the_Record&Who%20Killed%20Michelle%20Young%3F&Who%20Killed%20Michelle%20Young%3F&On%20the%20Record&-1&Shows&880&&&col

Watch the video with the picture of MY - its 18 minutes long but note the following times:

15:52 - 15:44 Amanda Lamb references the fax and a fax machine in the house.

15:40 - 15:20 Amanda Lamb indicates that JY initially told investigators he was in Brevard after a business meeting near Brevard when his wife was found.

She repeats this information around 14:47


I am searching for a link where Sheriff Harrison indicates that family alibi's aren't always correct - anyone else remember this and where it came from? Note this is also the report where the windows around the front door can be seen. Will keep looking for the link.Hi Hon,

I've been trying to watch the fox videos for days now and can't think why I can't watch them.

I am getting very frustrated with trying :(

I'm on Firefox and I've also tried with IE but nope,no luck there either. waaaahhhh :(

will check out distances between the new places you've mentioned though :)

[SewingDeb]

Samiya,


Throwing some more mud into the waters here, I have found a couple of Chart One customers. Interesting and actually one of them (Roswell GA) could explain the swing by to the folks.

1. Anne Reed, RHIA, director of Health Information Management at North Fulton Regional Hospital in Roswell, Georgia, will use eWebCoding to connect an off-site surgery center to her organization's central coding department. Two HCA Facilities Solve Coding Dilemmas with eWebCoding

2. Henrico Doctors' Hospital and Chippenham Medical Center, both located in Richmond, Virginia, will send their coders home with eWebCoding.

Roswell is near Atlanta and within 3 hours drive time of Brevard. I keep going back to Fusell's comments about the "head start" - this tends to indicate a longer type of drive for a meeting. I'm thinking Roswell - of course with my streak of figuring - most likely not - but a possibility. You might want to look at your maps and see what you think.

FWIW - either of these could support the theory that JY stayed in the area - commited the crime and left town.

link to eWebCoding: http://www.chartone.com/products/ewebcoding.php


Roswell makes sense.

[raisincharlie]

Hi Hon,

I've been trying to watch the fox videos for days now and can't think why I can't watch them.

I am getting very frustrated with trying :(

I'm on Firefox and I've also tried with IE but nope,no luck there either. waaaahhhh :(

will check out distances between the new places you've mentioned though :)
Bummer you can't see them - basically the sections of tape I reference indicate the meeting was near Brevard. Virginia is just not "near" to Brevard. In this report it is supposedly JY who told authorities that he was "at his parents home in Brevard after attending a meeting near Brevard" when his wife was found. First = we know from other written arcticles he was not at the parents house when the body was found - these articles quote his step dad as saying they met him in the yard when he arrived and he fell to his knees when they told him.

Not sure why I'm making a big deal of it but I have this suspicion there will be no hotel involved on the night his wife was murdered.

ETA - there has to be a reason, other than just the vehicle being impounded, behind step dad going ape sh.t ballistic and calling in the lawyer, IMO.

[Samiya]

Just so folks can see where SC came into it for me. I did say that there looks to be other routes. This example was beginning at South Hill in VA to Brevard. I was surprised that I put in the shortest route just to find it took me through a small part of SC. The fastest route took em the same route.

http://whitepages.addresses.com/route.php?PHPSESSID=4a5196f98614da6a8a4a51d7870d95 50&routeType=short&qas=&qcs=&qss=NC&qzs=28712&qae=&qce=&qse=VA&qze=24592&SearchP.x=16&SearchP.y=14&NewRouteFlag=1&ReportType=45&refer=1271&adword=ADDR%7CPS.MDL%7CRA.MOD&sid=14


Both Blackburg and Roanoke in VA took me through Tennessee to get to Brevard.

Surely there has to be a better site than this map one.

[Samiya]

raisincharlie,

can you or someone else please confirm if he stayed overnight in Brevard before returning Saturday? And the source? I have to go out in a sec and don't have time to run through everything to find out

I can't remember where I got this thought from and it's bugging me BIG time....



Anyway

Birchleaf Drive to Anderson SC 4 hours 52 minutes
Anderson SC to Brevard 1 hour 40 minutes

(lol, where the heck is Roswell :banghead: )

Another one in VABirchleaf Dr to Danville Va01:49:30 hrs .... 83.24 miles
Danville VA to Brevard 04:55:25 hrs ....274.38 miles

[close_enough]

Sweetmop,

I think your suggestions are just as good and as sensible as any that any of us could make at this point. It is definitely a puzzle to which we have very few pieces. Who knows, we may all be surprised, shocked, horrified, or smacking our heads because it was so simple when its all said and done. :)

you could very well be right, RC.....we know that JY TOLD Fussell that he had a 'meeting' in VA...i think JY went to VA at SOME point .... i'm still leaning toward him heading up there, getting just past the state line, & getting a room....(using the excuse w/his 11 pm phone call honey, i got tired & had to go ahead & stop for the night)

[close_enough]

raisincharlie,

can you or someone else please confirm if he stayed overnight in Brevard before returning Saturday? And the source? I have to go out in a sec and don't have time to run through everything to find out
I can't remember where I got this thought from and it's bugging me BIG time....



Anyway

Birchleaf Drive to Anderson SC 4 hours 52 minutes
Anderson SC to Brevard 1 hour 40 minutes

(lol, where the heck is Roswell :banghead: )

Another one in VABirchleaf Dr to Danville Va01:49:30 hrs .... 83.24 miles
Danville VA to Brevard 04:55:25 hrs ....274.38 miles

there's been nothing said about that in the media....i've only read that once he got to his parents house on Friday, he was told about Michelle, fell to his knees, & then,,,the family headed back to Raleigh....nothing about dates, times....nothing....there's been no time given as to when he arrived back in Raleigh with his family...we don't even know for sure what time he pulled up at his parents house in Brevard, that Friday.....i'm guessing it was somewhere in the afternoon, but for all we know he didn't pull up in Brevard until 7 or 8????

[Samiya]

there's been nothing said about that in the media....i've only read that once he got to his parents house on Friday, he was told about Michelle, fell to his knees, & then,,,the family headed back to Raleigh....nothing about dates, times....nothing....there's been no time given as to when he arrived back in Raleigh with his family...we don't even know for sure what time he pulled up at his parents house in Brevard, that Friday.....i'm guessing it was somewhere in the afternoon, but for all we know he didn't pull up in Brevard until 7 or 8????
Thanks Close :blowkiss: ,

I have no idea why that was stuck in my head but I do remember reading it somewhere and it bugged me. I'm going to put it aside.

[close_enough]

Thanks Close :blowkiss: ,

I have no idea why that was stuck in my head but I do remember reading it somewhere and it bugged me. I'm going to put it aside.

you're welcome Sami :)

later .......

[raisincharlie]

raisincharlie,

can you or someone else please confirm if he stayed overnight in Brevard before returning Saturday? And the source? I have to go out in a sec and don't have time to run through everything to find out

I can't remember where I got this thought from and it's bugging me BIG time....



Anyway

Birchleaf Drive to Anderson SC 4 hours 52 minutes
Anderson SC to Brevard 1 hour 40 minutes

(lol, where the heck is Roswell :banghead: )

Another one in VABirchleaf Dr to Danville Va01:49:30 hrs .... 83.24 miles
Danville VA to Brevard 04:55:25 hrs ....274.38 milesThis article indicates that JY and his parents headed back to Raleigh on Friday - November 3 - same day that Michelle was found

http://www.newsobserver.com/167/story/506181.html



"Harrison did not say what led him to call the death suspicious, but he said Young's 2-year-old daughter was found in the home when a relative discovered Young's body at 1:30 p.m. The toddler was not harmed and is staying with family, he said.

Young lived with her husband, Jason, and their daughter. The couple was expecting another baby, neighbor David Martin said. Jason Young was out of town and headed back to Raleigh on Friday afternoon, Harrison said."


I have also seen this reported in videos. Hope this answers your question - nope he didn't stay overnight in Brevard according to Sheriff Harrison.


ETA - Roswell is approximately 2.5 hours sw of Brevard - north of Atlanta GA.

Try this link - good maps http://www.mapquest.com/

[PolkSaladAnnie]

charlie - call me a skeptic and a Jason-did-it-er .... but you know I've never believed his business trip and nor have I given credence to the fax - ESPECIALLY for a darn leather purse! On about Day 3 I remember posting if it was for a Bengal Tiger I might understand the surprise urgency!

Also ----> their aniiversary had GONE (month before)...

Christmas was (back then) 7 weeks away.

IT WAS NOT CRITICAL ... not critical enough for JY to suddenly interrupt his business trip and start dealing with, and calling, family, personal gifts, orders, faxes and what not. Especially not critical enough to call Meredith out of the blue first time ever - and get her to go over there. Too contrived, I think!!

Ag! From the get-go, I just found his whole alibi far too cluttered. It was overkill - too busy - too well thought out. It was unnatural... y'know what I mean???

The man's a liar, JMHO. He used Meredith in one of the most appalling and deceitful ways - what reason has he to snub her the next day, after 'recruiting' her 24 hours earlier? Not on - in my book, that is.

Sadly, folk who are *addicted* to anything, hide and cover up. They learn to con, trick and have 'valid reasons' for X Y Z. Drugs, booze, money, gambling, blackmail, porn, secondary love interests. They get sharp at it.

One day, that feigned sharpness WILL do a U turn and when it cuts back, it cuts deep.

Karma ...

[Samiya]

This article indicates that JY and his parents headed back to Raleigh on Friday - November 3 - same day that Michelle was found

http://www.newsobserver.com/167/story/506181.html



"Harrison did not say what led him to call the death suspicious, but he said Young's 2-year-old daughter was found in the home when a relative discovered Young's body at 1:30 p.m. The toddler was not harmed and is staying with family, he said.

Young lived with her husband, Jason, and their daughter. The couple was expecting another baby, neighbor David Martin said. Jason Young was out of town and headed back to Raleigh on Friday afternoon, Harrison said."


I have also seen this reported in videos. Hope this answers your question - nope he didn't stay overnight in Brevard according to Sheriff Harrison.


ETA - Roswell is approximately 2.5 hours sw of Brevard - north of Atlanta GA.

Try this link - good maps http://www.mapquest.com/Thanks Raisin :blowkiss: for you too.


here's my :doh: moment for today. I just remembered that I have a program that unplugs embedded video on websites and enables me to save them. So I'll be seeing both videos on Fox very shortly! Which is great as it will enable me to write up transcripts of both of them for my files.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Ahhhh! He returned FRIDAY, or is that headed BACK Friday? But did he? Did they o/night some place (I wouldn't have) - so are we still right that the car was impounded the following day, Saturday? Earlier we surmised it was Saturday he arrived in Raleigh.

Wonder where they all stayed? Prolly had to go shopping for new clothes, I imagine?

[raisincharlie]

Ahhhh! He returned FRIDAY, or is that headed BACK Friday? But did he? Did they o/night some place (I wouldn't have) - so are we still right that the car was impounded the following day, Saturday? Earlier we surmised it was Saturday he arrived in Raleigh.

Wonder where they all stayed? Prolly had to go shopping for new clothes, I imagine?
I have never thought they returned Saturday. I have always thought the vehicle was taken Friday night based on the videos and Amanda Lamb's reports therein. The Sheriff has said they headed back Friday - we know there was the sister, her husband, Pop and Mom - plenty of drivers why would they stop over night -it is only a 5 hour drive and a baby waiting at the other end - don't buy it myself.

The Sheriff has indicated they started back in the afternoon - I don't see a reason to come part way and stop anymore than I see a reason for JY to leave his home on Thursday evening to drive part way to a meeting that may have only been 3 hours away. Perhaps it is family custom - drive half way and stop ? Not buying it - I believe the arrival was Friday evening and I believe the vehicle was taken immediately - JMO.

[jilly]

I believe the arrival was Friday evening and I believe the vehicle was taken immediately - JMO.

I agree. And I remember thinking that LE had plenty of time that day to organize the warrant to get his vehicle which they slapped on him after their 5 min interview. Hehe - wonder how they all got back to Brevard. MYs car was still part of the crime scene.

A 5-6 hr drive is not much (well except for maybe those in the Old Country, hey Annie?). I don't think they would have stopped either - can't imagine any of them at that point even thinking about food. I'm sure they were all in shock and simply wanted to get there and get Cassidy.

Now I'm wondering when that lawyer was hired. Initially I thought it might have been when they all had their luggage seized. Now, I'm thinking it was before that because of JY just talking to LE for 5 min. I'll bet he refused to go to the station with them on the advice of his attorney.

[raisincharlie]

charlie - call me a skeptic and a Jason-did-it-er .... but you know I've never believed his business trip and nor have I given credence to the fax - ESPECIALLY for a darn leather purse! On about Day 3 I remember posting if it was for a Bengal Tiger I might understand the surprise urgency!

Also ----> their aniiversary had GONE (month before)...

Christmas was (back then) 7 weeks away.

IT WAS NOT CRITICAL ... not critical enough for JY to suddenly interrupt his business trip and start dealing with, and calling, family, personal gifts, orders, faxes and what not. Especially not critical enough to call Meredith out of the blue first time ever - and get her to go over there. Too contrived, I think!!

Ag! From the get-go, I just found his whole alibi far too cluttered. It was overkill - too busy - too well thought out. It was unnatural... y'know what I mean???

The man's a liar, JMHO. He used Meredith in one of the most appalling and deceitful ways - what reason has he to snub her the next day, after 'recruiting' her 24 hours earlier? Not on - in my book, that is.

Sadly, folk who are *addicted* to anything, hide and cover up. They learn to con, trick and have 'valid reasons' for X Y Z. Drugs, booze, money, gambling, blackmail, porn, secondary love interests. They get sharp at it.

One day, that feigned sharpness WILL do a U turn and when it cuts back, it cuts deep.

Karma ...
I am not sure there was a "scheduled" meeting anywhere. Seems to me a cold call or courtesy call could be made to show his whereabouts as easily as a meeting. My thought, JY spent a whole lot of time driving between Thursday eve and the time he arrived in Brevard. While out driving about in the morning of Friday he could make a cold call and thus place himself somewhere, anywhere away at a good distance that would seem too far to return from having left Thursday eve. This is why I'm suspecting the "meeting" was not in VA - he would have to come back in the general direction of the crime to get to the folks. I'm thinking he headed south to start with, possibly Roswell - enough time to get there in the mid am and back to Brevard (2.5 hours back) by mid afternoon. Just and idea floating about in my head. Probably quite silly.

ETA - could a meeting in VA actually support the need to leave Thursday evening ? I'm not sure at all.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Lol, charlie - definitely rational - not silly; last thing I consider is that your posts are silly. Always informative and thought-provoking (or reminding, lol).

Well <<<<waves big white flag>>>> I'm so entrenched in the JY-Did-It camp and ultra biased to admit I doubt he had any reason whatsoever to leave on a Thursday. No, sorry, maybe he had ONE reason:

Le Grande Exit (luggage, witnesses, time-check 'n all...).

IF .... IF IF IF .... he called by a client in VA, Brevard, SC, TN ... it was either: (IMbiasedO):

1. Unannounced cold call and merely thrown in to make an alibi stick.
2. Created especially for an elaborate 'perfect' premediated murder plan.

The fax was a ruse to get Meredith over there so she was the person to discover the body...

IMO. (Still waiting for the secret romance, money problems and marital problems to come out...).

Lol, not very positive, am I?

[Samiya]

Ok here it is...

Birchleaf Drive Raleigh to Roswell GA

438 miles (about 8 hours 45 mins)

Roswell GA to Brevard

205 mi (about 4 hours 46 mins)

Trip without stopping:

Birchleaf Dr to Roswell GA to Brevard

13 hours 31 minutes.

Add max two hours for 'meeting'

15 hours 31 minutes.

Add 30 minutes for fuelling, food etc.

16 hours 1 minute approx.

If Jason arrived at Brevard at around 3pm, he would've left Birchleaf Drive Raleigh at somewhere between 9 and 10 pm Thursday 2nd Nov.

Either way it's a long trip and one that dare I say, can be done. I have driven 24 hours numerous times with roughly two hours of pit stops along the way.

The trip would take him from NC through SC and into Georgia.

[Samiya]

For interest.....Virginia job vacancy locations for ChartOne.

Blacksburg, VA
Manassas, Reston, Fairfax, VA
Richmond, VA
Richmond, VA
Portsmouth, VA
Culpeper, VA

I've done Blacksburg....which is why it's in blue. I think I did Richmond but in case I didn't, lol

Birchleaf Dr to Richmond 163 miles (about 3 hr 48 mins)
Richmond to Brevard 408 mi (about 8 hours 56 mins)

Birchleaf Dr to Manassas 270 miles (about 5 h 25 mins)
Manassas to Brevard 477 mi (about 9 h 57 mins)

Birchleaf Dr to Reston 291 miles (about 5 h 46 mins)
Reston to Brevard 492 mi (about 10 h 15 mins)

Birchleaf Dr to Fairfax 275 miles (about 5 h 29 mins)
Fairfax to Brevard 485 mi (about 10 5 mins)

Birchleaf Dr to Portsmouth 183 miles ( about 3 h 48 mins)
Portsmouth to Brevard 435 mi (about 9 h 51 mins)

Birchleaf Dr to Culpeper 263 miles (about 5 h 25 mins)
Culpeper to Brevard 424 mi (about 9 h 14 mins)

There are a number of jobs with ChartOne that require travelling to clients.

[raisincharlie]

Ok here it is...

Birchleaf Drive Raleigh to Roswell GA

438 miles (about 8 hours 45 mins)

Roswell GA to Brevard

205 mi (about 4 hours 46 mins)

Trip without stopping:

Birchleaf Dr to Roswell GA to Brevard

13 hours 31 minutes.

Add max two hours for 'meeting'

15 hours 31 minutes.

Add 30 minutes for fuelling, food etc.

16 hours 1 minute approx.

If Jason arrived at Brevard at around 3pm, he would've left Birchleaf Drive Raleigh at somewhere between 9 and 10 pm Thursday 2nd Nov.

Either way it's a long trip and one that dare I say, can be done. I have driven 24 hours numerous times with roughly two hours of pit stops along the way.

The trip would take him from NC through SC and into Georgia.


Not sure what routes are involved in these calculations but I suspect they don't take into account much 4 lane driving and most likely not a speed over 55. Interstates are typically 70, four lanes are typically 60. For example based on the above Raleigh to Roswell 438 miles at 8.75 hours only runs out to an average speed of slightly over 50 miles per hour.

If I pull up the data from Map Quest asking for 4 lane routes I get

Raleigh to Roswell - 407 miles at 6.5 hours (ave speed 62)
Roswell to Brevard - 180 miles at 3.5 hours (few 4 lanes ave speed 51)
Brevard to Raleigh - 282 miles at 4.9 hours (ave speed 57.5)

Assume JY did go to Roswell
Assume JY arrived at parents at 3pm

1. JY could have left Roswell between 11 am and 11:30am
2. JY meeting at 9 am for 2 hours - leave by 11 am
3. Jy leaves Raleigh at the latest between 2 am and 230 am arriving in Roswell at 9 am.

Seems like to me there are about 4 hours from the last time MY was seen alive by her friends and the latest departure time for JY to make it to Roswell. If his "meeting" was somewhere closer than Roswell, a bit more time unaccounted for. I chose Roswell only because it is the location of a "eWebCoding' start up - might need assistance. If JY made a cold call it could be anywhere in between but I have this feeling JY went south rather than north - he wouldn't want to head back toward the scene IMO at least until his wife's body had been found by someone.

Don't put a lot of stock in this - I have often been wrong before....nut it seems to me JY could have gotten a very good distance away from Raleigh and still have had time to murder his wife. JMO

ETA -if Anderson SC - he has a whole lot more time - almost twice as much, could take a nap even. JY also has a couple of tickets 85 in a 55 and 85 in a 65 - man likes to move out.

[close_enough]

This article indicates that JY and his parents headed back to Raleigh on Friday - November 3 - same day that Michelle was found

http://www.newsobserver.com/167/story/506181.html



"Harrison did not say what led him to call the death suspicious, but he said Young's 2-year-old daughter was found in the home when a relative discovered Young's body at 1:30 p.m. The toddler was not harmed and is staying with family, he said.

Young lived with her husband, Jason, and their daughter. The couple was expecting another baby, neighbor David Martin said. Jason Young was out of town and headed back to Raleigh on Friday afternoon, Harrison said."


I have also seen this reported in videos. Hope this answers your question - nope he didn't stay overnight in Brevard according to Sheriff Harrison.


ETA - Roswell is approximately 2.5 hours sw of Brevard - north of Atlanta GA.

Try this link - good maps http://www.mapquest.com/

thanks RC!!!...i'd missed that

[close_enough]

charlie - call me a skeptic and a Jason-did-it-er .... but you know I've never believed his business trip and nor have I given credence to the fax - ESPECIALLY for a darn leather purse! On about Day 3 I remember posting if it was for a Bengal Tiger I might understand the surprise urgency!

Also ----> their aniiversary had GONE (month before)...

Christmas was (back then) 7 weeks away.

IT WAS NOT CRITICAL ... not critical enough for JY to suddenly interrupt his business trip and start dealing with, and calling, family, personal gifts, orders, faxes and what not. Especially not critical enough to call Meredith out of the blue first time ever - and get her to go over there. Too contrived, I think!!

Ag! From the get-go, I just found his whole alibi far too cluttered. It was overkill - too busy - too well thought out. It was unnatural... y'know what I mean???

The man's a liar, JMHO. He used Meredith in one of the most appalling and deceitful ways - what reason has he to snub her the next day, after 'recruiting' her 24 hours earlier? Not on - in my book, that is.

Sadly, folk who are *addicted* to anything, hide and cover up. They learn to con, trick and have 'valid reasons' for X Y Z. Drugs, booze, money, gambling, blackmail, porn, secondary love interests. They get sharp at it.

One day, that feigned sharpness WILL do a U turn and when it cuts back, it cuts deep.

Karma ...

(in bold letters above).....yes, Polk....i know what you mean..

we reap what we sow & all that stuff....the "too busy" thing just kinda 'clicked' with me......

AGAIN, since i've not 'said' it often.....if JY had nothing to do with this, i'll be happy, but i don't see it happening that way....

& you're right ...the "sharpness" WILL come back around & cut really deep....

(lol, gosh i'm feelin all philosophical now?)

i love ya polk!

[PolkSaladAnnie]

close_enough - you're a true diamond, my friend.... :blowkiss: The gems on this board and in this forum that I've come to know compliment you, hon, and turn threads of hard-to-fathom crime into strands of wonder, especially when you string together the many pearls of wisdom shared.

Sometimes, although I waffle, I really do find partnership in knowing there are so many 'out there' that understand - not necessarily through experience - but through listening, wtaching and contributing. We're total strangers in body, perhaps ... but close enough (lol unplanned, but apt, heh heh) in joining hands, heads, hearts and minds to keep conversing, keep it flowing.

Sorry... shouldn't really post at this time. Anniversary of a immediate family passing .... bla bla bal ...

<<<<< she blows her nose; slaps forehead; tells a joke; moves on.>>>>> :D

[raisincharlie]

<snip>

IMO. (Still waiting for the secret romance, money problems and marital problems to come out...).

Lol, not very positive, am I?
I am totally shocked that none of the above has come to light - other than rhett fussell - not a single 15 minute famer seeking attention - nothing. Absolutely amazing! It is almost like persons associated with this case have locked zippers in their mouths - except for coming to forums, where anonimity reigns, for defensive purposes that is...amazing.

[close_enough]

close_enough - you're a true diamond, my friend.... :blowkiss: The gems on this board and in this forum that I've come to know compliment you, hon, and turn threads of hard-to-fathom crime into strands of wonder, especially when you string together the many pearls of wisdom shared.

Sometimes, although I waffle, I really do find partnership in knowing there are so many 'out there' that understand - not necessarily through experience - but through listening, wtaching and contributing. We're total strangers in body, perhaps ... but close enough (lol unplanned, but apt, heh heh) in joining hands, heads, hearts and minds to keep conversing, keep it flowing.

Sorry... shouldn't really post at this time. Anniversary of a immediate family passing .... bla bla bal ...

<<<<< she blows her nose; slaps forehead; tells a joke; moves on.>>>>> :D

lol, hey i just got all 'sappy' over in the jury room....it's all good Polk...i use to hate that phrase, but i REALLY think it is, ultimately.....HUGE hug for you tonight, (with the passing of a family member) comin from Tennessee...i hope you can 'feel' the warmth of it....

it's folks like you, & many others here at WS that keep "it" flowing, imo:)

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I am totally shocked that none of the above has come to light - other than rhett fussell - not a single 15 minute famer seeking attention - nothing. Absolutely amazing! It is almost like persons associated with this case have locked zippers in their mouths - except for coming to forums, where anonimity reigns, for defensive purposes that is...amazing.

Me too, charlie. Maybe I should have gone into packaging as a career, because I have this guy boxed, taped and ready for shipping BEFORE we even get more crime details, let alone perp details and descriptions. I even got the label right off my stock-shelf. (Me: bad, bad, bad...)

Maybe (oh boy, here she goes again...) there were inter-personal relationships that's going to blow this one in the public morality pool? (I don't mean 'intimate foursomes' ... I mean a tale of heightened duplicity and intrigue).

I'll officially take back my claim the fax was not true - but will re-shape my wording there to say "A fax was there - the reason to collect was false."

Tha alone tells me this man is a con-artist. A planner, a manipulator - and therefore - his cache of deceit might just be really huge. If he paid off his gambling debts, how would anyone KNOW he had debts. Maybe he had (as in once-had, not current) gambling & financial issues?

Geeezsh. All this scratching around with blinkers on in a desert is quite something!

[close_enough]

Me too, charlie. Maybe I should have gone into packaging as a career, because I have this guy boxed, taped and ready for shipping BEFORE we even get more crime details, let alone perp details and descriptions. I even got the label right off my stock-shelf. (Me: bad, bad, bad...)

Maybe (oh boy, here she goes again...) there were inter-personal relationships that's going to blow this one in the public morality pool? (I don't mean 'intimate foursomes' ... I mean a tale of heightened duplicity and intrigue).

I'll officially take back my claim the fax was not true - but will re-shape my wording there to say "A fax was there - the reason to collect was false."

Tha alone tells me this man is a con-artist. A planner, a manipulator - and therefore - his cache of deceit might just be really huge. If he paid off his gambling debts, how would anyone KNOW he had debts. Maybe he had (as in once-had, not current) gambling & financial issues?

Geeezsh. All this scratching around with blinkers on in a desert is quite something!

i'm with you on "the fax".....i'm still leaning toward there being SOMETHING that Meredith was suppose to 'retrieve' for JY......just like i still lean toward SOMETHING being in VA...(oops, hit submit in error)

funny how gambling debt still keeps comin back 'around'......that tiny bit of posting by wufdude is a little hard to get out of my mind....can't help it, although he/she stressed, in so many words, it wasn't factual....

[PolkSaladAnnie]

i'm with you on "the fax".....i'm still leaning toward there being SOMETHING that Meredith was suppose to 'retrieve' for JY......just like i still lean toward SOMETHING being in VA

Oooh-er.....close..... could that "thing" posssibly be able to get into a bra? or.... tut-tut ... those Calvin Klein's to-die-for-in-that-body jocks, hmmmm?

Well, something is in VA.

[close_enough]

Oooh-er.....close..... could that "thing" posssibly be able to get into a bra? or.... tut-tut ... those Calvin Klein's to-die-for-in-that-body jocks, hmmmm?

Well, something is in VA.

hey, could be Polk...could be :cool: