Motive- If JY killed her.

[Jodibug]

What do you think the motive is?

Scott killed Laci because he didn't want to be tied down with a baby.

Mark killed Lori because she would have exposed his lies.



We don't know much about the finances in this case, and the rumors of a GF in Florida are..... only rumors.

I know it is really early to speculate, but what would his motive be?

[close_enough]

i think it's going to be along the same lines of Laci Peterson...i also think we're going to find out that the Young's were in debt...at least enough that it bothered JY - especially with another child on the way - .......a million dollar life insurance policy (if it's true) can sure be an 'incentive'.....IMO

[Masissy]

I think he felt trapped into marriage and was wanting an out.

[concernedperson]

I think he felt trapped into marriage and was wanting an out.

I believe you are right. If I read correctly Jason and Michelle dated 5 years and only married when she became pregnant with Cassidy. Again, it seems his plans were different if the report of he and another guy buying a house together is true. Working on investment strategy without your fiancee/spouse...not that it creates a murder but it doesn't seem Jason had included Michelle in too much.

It seems to me that Michelle was more convenient for him before she became pregnant.

[Jodibug]

.......a million dollar life insurance policy (if it's true) can sure be an 'incentive'.....IMO


I hadn't heard that before. I guess it would take a large insurance policy, otherwise, he'd be getting rid of his meal ticket. (IMO)

I know he had only been at his current job for 3 mos. Was he unemployed, under-employed or what before that? Did he have trouble holding a job? Does anyone know his employment history?

[Jodibug]

I think he felt trapped into marriage and was wanting an out.


Do you think he intended to raise Cassidy alone? Or would he expect his mother to step in and take care of her?

[Jodibug]

I wonder if she had talked of becoming a SAHM after their second child was born? Otherwise, it certainly seems like she was able to support herself and probably her children also.

I know that for some moms, as the children begin to multiply, they look at childcare costs and decide that working would no longer be worth it.

Maybe JY felt that MY was "nagging" him about getting a "better" or "real" job?


I wish LE or some of their friends would start speaking out (without jeopardizing the case, of course!) so that we had a better idea of what was going on!

[scandi]

Pure speculation here! I agree the pregnancy pushed him into a marriage and don't think he was ready. He loved Michelle, but might also have had a deeper reason for wanting somethng else in his life. His friends have posted he was a late bloomer, saying he was unfaithful and one account I read said he was almost unfaithful - whatever that means.

Another baby was the loast thing he needed, and if she did get preggers w/in 2 weeks after losing the other little boy after the accident, it was not on purpose I believe. One hot moment and she was with child again.

Lots of motive I think. The million dollar policy was not a factor, as he had to know he would be suspect and all of his garbage would be dragged out into the open and that would take years maybe. I think they had decided to seperate as he supposedly had his luggage with him when he left, and her words burned into his mind, making him feel like an ant on the ground, and he just went in and did it, with maybe only days or hours to formulate a plan to be rid of her forever!

I did read a poster, friend supposedly write we would be amazed when we learned about Jason!

Scandi

[Masissy]

Do you think he intended to raise Cassidy alone? Or would he expect his mother to step in and take care of her?
Good question. Maybe he felt if he killed Cassidy he would be caught. Another thought is he actually loved her and couldn't bring himself to commit the crime, therefore letting her live. I don't think he loved Michelle, imo. As far as taking care of Cassidy, I do see the grandparents stepping in.

[jilly]

It doesn't seem to take much of a motive for these guys to kill their wives. I think most of them seem to be very dependant on these women (JY, Entwistle, Hacking, Peterson) and then when it comes to the point where they are going to have to step up to the plate, they aren't capable.

There must be some deep seeded anger towards their wives or women in general for them to actually commit murder.

In this case, if JY & MY were splitting JY would have been the bigger loser imo. Cassidy was not a threat to him and I have no reason to believe he does not love her. If he did do this - to get rid of Michelle and get that insurance money would be a picture perfect situation for him. At the same time, I believe he would have had a lot of resentment towards Michelle and that is why it was such a violent murder.

[close_enough]

It doesn't seem to take much of a motive for these guys to kill their wives. I think most of them seem to be very dependant on these women (JY, Entwistle, Hacking, Peterson) and then when it comes to the point where they are going to have to step up to the plate, they aren't capable.

There must be some deep seeded anger towards their wives or women in general for them to actually commit murder.
In this case, if JY & MY were splitting JY would have been the bigger loser imo. Cassidy was not a threat to him and I have no reason to believe he does not love her. If he did do this - to get rid of Michelle and get that insurance money would be a picture perfect situation for him. At the same time, I believe he would have had a lot of resentment towards Michelle and that is why it was such a violent murder.

i agree jilly....1 million dollars would be a nice little start for him as a single person....even with one child...

i read on another board that some folks think there's no way that he could have THAT much anger/rage, & no one notice it.....heck, there's lots of folks 'out there' full of hatred/rage on the inside, that NO ONE ever sees on the outside....

[jilly]

i read on another board that some folks think there's no way that he could have THAT much anger/rage, & no one notice it.....heck, there's lots of folks 'out there' full of hatred/rage on the inside, that NO ONE ever sees on the outside....

Yeah right - same ole where have we heard that before, hey? Thing is these guys usually make an effort to portray themselves as something they're not. Like living with a time bomb!

In this case, however, I have a feeling Michelle's mother knows a lot about this guy. I hope so anyways.

[raisincharlie]

i agree jilly....1 million dollars would be a nice little start for him as a single person....even with one child...

i read on another board that some folks think there's no way that he could have THAT much anger/rage, & no one notice it.....heck, there's lots of folks 'out there' full of hatred/rage on the inside, that NO ONE ever sees on the outside....
Obviously those folks did not follow the Vitale case. That 16 year old had rage from head to toe, expressed in his artwork which his mother ignored and a teacher praised him for. His friends and family thought he darn near walked on water. People don't look even when it stares them in the face... its easier to find an excuse. JMO

[AlwaysShocked]

What really bothers me is that these idiots who kill their wives apparently don't want the "hassle" or "stigma" of a divorce - what/ their family members and friends are going to thirk they are a bad guy for wanting out of a marriage? - but they are willing to become a MURDERER?!?

It just doesn't even make sense, and yet most of these guys - both Peteresons, Hacking, etc. - were apparently not stupid.

I just don't get it.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

They're selfish cowards, IMO, AlwaysShocked.

As close hinted: one million is a fair sized carrot.
Gaining the house, contents, child-custody and no future alimony with TWO children, not just one, are a few more carrots.
Perhaps he did have a secret romantic bug or love interest?
Maybe he was also just "plum not in love" with MY; couldn't keep up the charade.
Could he have been a shrinking violet under Michelle's apparent dazzle?
Did MY discover something sinister?
Did MY 'fall out of love' and he retaliated??

Sharon Rocha's voice rings true everytime: DIVORCE IS ALWAYS AN OPTION!

[jilly]

Hi everyone! :) Speaking of this insurance policy, I have a couple of questions:

1. Is there a waiting period before a payout?
2. JY hasn't been named a suspect other than on the application for fingerprints etc., but if he was a suspect would the insurance company hold onto the money until he was cleared?

If he's charged, I know that would be a different story but just wondering how they go about this in it's present state.

[FactsareFacts]

They're selfish cowards, IMO, AlwaysShocked.

As close hinted: one million is a fair sized carrot.
Gaining the house, contents, child-custody and no future alimony with TWO children, not just one, are a few more carrots.
Perhaps he did have a secret romantic bug or love interest?
Maybe he was also just "plum not in love" with MY; couldn't keep up the charade.
Could he have been a shrinking violet under Michelle's apparent dazzle?
Did MY discover something sinister?
Did MY 'fall out of love' and he retaliated??

Sharon Rocha's voice rings true everytime: DIVORCE IS ALWAYS AN OPTION!

LOL do you think that has occured to that slug SP yet?
Think they are smart enough to come up with their murderous plans but not smart enough to figure out what will happen to them when they get caught. I just wish they would throw them in general population let them look over their shoulder everyday!:mad:

[FactsareFacts]

Hi everyone! :) Speaking of this insurance policy, I have a couple of questions:

1. Is there a waiting period before a payout?
2. JY hasn't been named a suspect other than on the application for fingerprints etc., but if he was a suspect would the insurance company hold onto the money until he was cleared?

If he's charged, I know that would be a different story but just wondering how they go about this in it's present state.
I don't know how long the waiting period would be but because she was murdered they will delay paying it out I would think until there was an arrest. If they arrest Jason it wont get paid out until there is a verdict. Question is how long do they wait if there is no arrest? God forbid.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

LOL do you think that has occured to that slug SP yet? Think they are smart enough to come up with their murderous plans but not smart enough to figure out what will happen to them when they get caught. I just wish they would throw them in general population let them look over their shoulder everyday!:mad:

Hi FaF... NO ... lol ... nothing penetrates in that sicko's skull - maybe he's concerned about not having a few cellphones - but other than that, he's living off the meagre morsels of ignorant 'attention' that some DR fans have a penchant to engage in!

These monsters are always protected - even when convicted. Sounds macabre, but heck - I always think of the victims. No protection, no rights, no help, no voice to say "HE did this to me!"

Karma karma karma chameeee-lion ... they come and go -- oh oHHHH! And karma comes back. God's at least good enough to ensure that happens! If I have a faith in this planet, it's karma (helps settles me nerves and negates tranquilizers, lol.... just karma (and patience which does eat me up, lol).

[jilly]

Karma karma karma chameeee-lion ... they come and go -- oh oHHHH! And karma comes back. God's at least good enough to ensure that happens! If I have a faith in this planet, it's karma (helps settles me nerves and negates tranquilizers, lol.... just karma (and patience which does eat me up, lol).

You're absolutely right about that Annie! Even if this murderer is not caught his life will from now on go down hill. I've seen it happen!

[hollyjokers]

I think men who kill their wives entertain themselves with thoughts of being the widower - ooh, every woman will have thoughts of sleepless in seattle & throw themselves at him. Scotty really didn't need that angle being a p-hound anyway, would've still exploited it as much as possible, but for a guy like Jason, a corndog with Austin Powers teeth, being introduced as the grieving widower would have come in real handy. "Ohh the poor man raising that darling little girl by himself"

[fran]

I have seen a few cases where the husband was suspect but not enough evidence to arrest. Once the claim is filed and the paper work is done, IF the husband hasn't been charged, he'll get the $$.

One guy, it took a few years to get the 'goods' on him, but of course he was long gone and so was the $$$$. It was only through the persistance of the parents that he was caught at all. The family kept digging and digging and digging..........until they could find a way he COULD have done it, had their daughter's body exumed and voila, EVIDENCE!

Oh,..........he was caught and tried and convicted.

Then,...........there's a few other cases where there wife, or even wives, mysteriously died, the husband got the $$ and went merrily on his way. The problem is, once they get away with one or two, they think they can do it again,..............it's the second or third mysterious death that gets them caught.

JMHO
fran

PS.......of course there's been a few wives that have done the same. Usually the weapon of choice for a woman is poison.....fran

[MREG2]

If MY and JY were separating, the motive could be as simple as she told him that she would fight to get sole custody of the little girl. And knowing how together she was (great job, good family support, etc) JY figured that she was right (heck, maybe she even had some proof of a GF and said she would give that info to the judge too). The thought of not having Cassidy with him pushed over the edge so he killed MY so that he would get custody of Cassidy. I believe he loves that little girl (even though I feel the grandparents will do most of the child-rearing now) and that's why he didn't kill her too.

[packerdog]

MY and JY could have had a an arguement before the company, or because of the company and he didn't want them there to watch the show. He may have been so angry and said , I'am outta here. The more he drove the madder he got. I would like to know if the company thought he was angry. Who knows, it doesn't take much to set some people off, look at road rage.

[jilly]

I was just reading over at another site and someone made a reference to John Douglas' book The Anatomy of Motive. JD was a former FBI profiler and I've read a couple of his books. He was the one who stated he didn't believe the Ramseys' had anything to do with the murder of Jon Benet.

Anyways here is a quote from his book about some of these murderers:

"What motivates many, if not most, of these guys is a desire for power and control that comes from a background where they felt powerless and out of control. Being able to manipulate, dominate and control a victim, to decide whether that victim lives or dies, or how that victim dies, makes them feel grandiose and superior, as they believe they are entitled to feel."

[close_enough]

I was just reading over at another site and someone made a reference to John Douglas' book The Anatomy of Motive. JD was a former FBI profiler and I've read a couple of his books. He was the one who stated he didn't believe the Ramseys' had anything to do with the murder of Jon Benet.

Anyways here is a quote from his book about some of these murderers:

"What motivates many, if not most, of these guys is a desire for power and control that comes from a background where they felt powerless and out of control. Being able to manipulate, dominate and control a victim, to decide whether that victim lives or dies, or how that victim dies, makes them feel grandiose and superior, as they believe they are entitled to feel."

yikes, i just got a chill down my spine, but at the same time, in my words, they're 'wormy bastards' :furious:

i must thank GOD that i've never run across one...at least i didn't marry one, whew!

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Anyways here is a quote from his book about some of these murderers:

"What motivates many, if not most, of these guys is a desire for power and control that comes from a background where they felt powerless and out of control. Being able to manipulate, dominate and control a victim, to decide whether that victim lives or dies, or how that victim dies, makes them feel grandiose and superior, as they believe they are entitled to feel."

Hi jilly ! :)

Just early hours this morning a 20/20 feature was aired (not sure if it's a repeat in these regions) about the woman whose SON taped her beating and he was sentenced to 36 years. The program showed how this courageous woman now takes that tape to various PD depts to talk to talk about domestic abuse, wife battery and family violence.

One phrase (to the effect of) rang out louder than West Minster Abbey: "When the woman says We're ok, everything's fine, he's hasn't hurt me before - DON'T believe it, because you might find a dead body. My own family never knew. You see.... I never said a word. Too fearful of his reaction, we were 'a loving couple' ....".

So you see, jilly-bugs .... you are SO right! When you get a dead body - one that HAS NOT BEEN videotaped, photpgraphed or medically attened in the living years, well: you have no historical testimony. It's open to fierce debate.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

yikes, i just got a chill down my spine, but at the same time, in my words, they're 'wormy bastards' :furious:

i must thank GOD that i've never run across one...at least i didn't marry one, whew!

I knew one, close.

(ps: hi sweetie :) .... )

[scandi]

How about . . . .To be with the 'other' Michelle'! :eek:

So flippin' bad! Scandi

[Samiya]

How about . . . .To be with the 'other' Michelle'! :eek:

So flippin' bad! ScandiWhatever his motive is/was, it will have all been heard before.... :sick:

He could probably have handled paying child support for one, but two? Don't think so. What kind of tax breaks/claims, if any, are there in the states for separated custodial parents of a child?

And if he "wanted" his daughter so much why didn't he take her there and then? So he could be her 'saviour' after the murder of her mother. The one who was 'there' for her when mommy went to Heaven. It's typical of someone with feelings of inadequacy. That is the 'I need to feel wanted' aspect.

They had two houses so it's not like he would've been out of house and home.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Whatever his motive is/was, it will have all been heard before.... :sick:

He could probably have handled paying child support for one, but two? Don't think so. What kind of tax breaks/claims, if any, are there in the states for separated custodial parents of a child?

And if he "wanted" his daughter so much why didn't he take her there and then? So he could be her 'saviour' after the murder of her mother. The one who was 'there' for her when mommy went to Heaven. It's typical of someone with feelings of inadequacy. That is the 'I need to feel wanted' aspect.

They had two houses so it's not like he would've been out of house and home.

You said it all for me Sami! :clap: He wanted all the attention and 'woe is me, I am the victim'. Your last statement is SPOT ON - he had fair and equitable options - divorce INCLUDED!!!

[fran]

Whatever his motive is/was, it will have all been heard before.... :sick:

He could probably have handled paying child support for one, but two? Don't think so. What kind of tax breaks/claims, if any, are there in the states for separated custodial parents of a child?

And if he "wanted" his daughter so much why didn't he take her there and then? So he could be her 'saviour' after the murder of her mother. The one who was 'there' for her when mommy went to Heaven. It's typical of someone with feelings of inadequacy. That is the 'I need to feel wanted' aspect.

They had two houses so it's not like he would've been out of house and home.

Have you noticed a pattern here of late, where the wife that was murdered was well educated and very bright and outgoing, often times having well paying and highly respected jobs?

IMO, it may be as simple as it started with the feeling of inferiority and everything else that is gained as a result of the spouses demise is gravey. ie sympathy, $$, etc.

JMHO
fran

[Samiya]

Have you noticed a pattern here of late, where the wife that was murdered was well educated and very bright and outgoing, often times having well paying and highly respected jobs?

IMO, it may be as simple as it started with the feeling of inferiority and everything else that is gained as a result of the spouses demise is gravey. ie sympathy, $$, etc.

JMHO
franHi Fran,

Yes I've certainly noticed. It's sad.

It's 3:03am over here and I supposed I should get to bed before my husband comes out at 4am, to go to work, lol. I got carried away putting my scenarios and information up on my blog that come 4am he walked out near my office and scared the bejeezuz out of me, lol. Then my fax fired up and doubled the effect!

Sheesh 38 and two heartattacks in one morning!

[raisincharlie]

Wasn't sure where to put this but here is an updated report from the N O concerning yesterdays news. A few additional items of information relating to the relationship in particular.


http://www.newsobserver.com/141/story/519119.html


As I understand it the NO has some copywrite requirements so I will not post part of the article - you'll just have to read it. Sorry.

[Juliana]

I'm thinking maybe after JY left that evening, MY found out about the affair (maybe her friend who was at the house told her or she found some evidence). Perhaps MY called JY and demanded that he come home so they could have it out face to face. Once there, the argument turned physical and he killed her either accidentally or in a fit of rage. I just can't stand the idea of this pos planning ahead of time to kill MY and knowing that his little baby girl would be left home alone with her dead mom. But then I guess I'm giving him too much credit to think he would be concerned about his baby girl.

I can see how an argument over the double-betrayal of this affair would escalate very quickly into a physical confrontation.

My speculation only...

[Taximom]

Wasn't sure where to put this but here is an updated report from the N O concerning yesterdays news. A few additional items of information relating to the relationship in particular.


http://www.newsobserver.com/141/story/519119.html


As I understand it the NO has some copywrite requirements so I will not post part of the article - you'll just have to read it. Sorry.
I don't know if that article is written well or not. They have Cassidy's age at 3 "the night of", and:

"They hope to use the phone records in part to determine the time that Jason Young was en route to his parent's home in Brevard the night his wife died, Wake County Sheriff Donnie Harrison said"

Supposedly he was en route to a meeting somewhere the "night of", not his parents home.:behindbar

I want to know more about the meeting location!!! (I bet Chart One was able to disclose to LE that early on. Probably no meeting at all....)

I'm glad to hear that LE doesn't know of JY's whereabouts at this time. **wink**wink**

[raisincharlie]

I don't know if that article is written well or not. They have Cassidy's age at 3 "the night of", and:

"They hope to use the phone records in part to determine the time that Jason Young was en route to his parent's home in Brevard the night his wife died, Wake County Sheriff Donnie Harrison said"

Supposedly he was en route to a meeting somewhere the "night of", not his parents home.:behindbar

I want to know more about the meeting location!!! (I bet Chart One was able to disclose to LE that early on. Probably no meeting at all....)

I'm glad to hear that LE doesn't know of JY's whereabouts at this time. **wink**wink**
Taximom,

I remember very early in this investigation that Sheriff Harrison in an interview indicated that family alibi's were not always reliable. I wish I could find that interview but I cannot. At that time I understood that JY was on a business trip "near" his folks home.

From that point I believed that he was supposed to be at his parents the evening of the 2nd (thursday) but did not show up. I have wrestled and wrestled with the bizaar reaction of the step dad and often thought it was possible JY was indeed to be in Brevard on Thursday eve - just told the folks he got re-routed or the meeting changed.

I don't believe there is any truth period to the concept of a meeting in Virginia. This came from one source only - Rhett Fussell who reported it and said JY told him this at the funeral. No news reporter has confirmed this information - infact they just keep saying he was out of town for a business meeting.

JMO

[Taximom]

Taximom,

I remember very early in this investigation that Sheriff Harrison in an interview indicated that family alibi's were not always reliable. I wish I could find that interview but I cannot. At that time I understood that JY was on a business trip "near" his folks home.

From that point I believed that he was supposed to be at his parents the evening of the 2nd (thursday) but did not show up. I have wrestled and wrestled with the bizaar reaction of the step dad and often thought it was possible JY was indeed to be in Brevard on Thursday eve - just told the folks he got re-routed or the meeting changed.

I don't believe there is any truth period to the concept of a meeting in Virginia. This came from one source only - Rhett Fussell who reported it and said JY told him this at the funeral. No news reporter has confirmed this information - infact they just keep saying he was out of town for a business meeting.

JMOYou're right, I should have checked that "what we do know for sure" list! I had forgotten the "meeting" wasn't brought up by LE.

Edited to add that we'll have to come up with a new term to replace "golfishing" for JY.:cool:

[raisincharlie]

You're right, I should have checked that "what we do know for sure" list! I had forgotten the "meeting" wasn't brought up by LE.

Edited to add that we'll have to come up with a new term to replace "golfishing" for JY.:cool:

ROFL - "golfishing"

My imagination at this point is reeling (no pun intended).:)