Do his parents know the truth?

[AlwaysShocked]

Although I came to the point where I actually detested them, in the Scott Peterson case I felt sorry at first for his parents. Of course, later on I felt they were obstructing.

In this case, I wonder what these parents are thinking at this point? I wonder what I would think or do in these circumstances? Somebody (the step father in law?) obviously determined early on that he needed to be hooked up with a criminal attorney. Apparently one of the best money can buy in that area. I suppose, as a parent, that is about all you can do for your child under these circumstances.

I know that in this circumstance I would tell my child that I love him and always will, but that if he has done this that he must confess at this time.

[Floh]

Yes. they know, but can't bear to believe it is so. what parent could? :(

[fran]

Well, his step-dad did say LE would probably try to pin this on him which is why he advised him to get an attorney.

I've never heard a word uttered by this POS, but I would imagine he's probably a smooth talker and has his parents convinced he didn't do it. His parent's are probably thinking, "Just because he had a g/f, it doesn't mean he's a murderer." LOL, I've already seen this posted on another board.

I think we've heard that one before. :doh:

JMHO
fran

[raisincharlie]

I don't believe JY would tell them anything about the girlfriend until he was cornered into admitting it - so I think he may be doing a bit of explaining today. But it will mean little overall except perhaps confirm for the step dads his original thought that LE would try to pin it on him and be less than truthful with JY. I doubt the knowledge of an extra marital affair will change anything or raise any question in the direction of JY from his family. JMO

[packerdog]

Right Fran. Next thing we will hear from his step-dad is that alot of men have affairs when their wife is pregnant.

[SewingDeb]

Right Fran. Next thing we will hear from his step-dad is that alot of men have affairs when their wife is pregnant.

That's what I'm expecting.

[Samiya]

As a parent, I would drag my boy down the station by the earlobes...both if I had to and got him to co-operate, whether I thought him guilty or innocent. Even if it meant that some dirty laundry would come out somewhere..........

But then again my 19 year old is on his computer 16 hours a day. He's a software programmer and doesn't have time for one girlfriend let alone two, lol.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

I mentioned this on another thread. Does any parent ever just tell their guilty (IMO) kid, "son, I think you did it, and if you did, you better tell me now! Better to deal with it early on than drag it on longer than necessary."

[Floh]

I mentioned this on another thread. Does any parent ever just tell their guilty (IMO) kid, "son, I think you did it, and if you did, you better tell me now! Better to deal with it early on than drag it on longer than necessary."

I really think Neil Entwhistle's father did. honestly i do. Neil Entwhistle has yet to admit his guilt. but not for want of his father trying to make him.

JMO. :truce:

[Taximom]

They have to know unless they are in deep denial. Then again, JY thought he could get away with murder, despite all his alibi's...so who knows what his parents think. Don't they watch TV?! Gosh, the Michael Peterson case happened practically in their backyard!:doh:

I'm not sure how long the stepdad has been a father figure for him, but I think that alone allows the stepdad to be less emotional about this situation and more logical-as far as a defense strategy goes. Then again, he might have been a father figure from early on and JY is like his own son.

Where is JY's bio dad?

I will say that even if they have an inkling he might had murdered MY, they better keep Cassidy safe from him.

I don't want to see a hostage situation going down. Suicide-by-cop. He's such a weanie though...I doubt that will happen.

Gosh, everytime I think of JY I start singing "I wear my sunglasses at night"!:cool:

[kato]

Right Fran. Next thing we will hear from his step-dad is that alot of men have affairs when their wife is pregnant.

You read my mind.

[Taximom]

As a parent, I would drag my boy down the station by the earlobes...both if I had to and got him to co-operate, whether I thought him guilty or innocent. Even if it meant that some dirty laundry would come out somewhere..........

But then again my 19 year old is on his computer 16 hours a day. He's a software programmer and doesn't have time for one girlfriend let alone two, lol.Me too, Samiya.

In fact I took my oldest daughter back to the store when she was 5 because a candy bar miraculously appeared in her pocket after we left. I called the manager ahead of time and told her to really give her a hard time about it. I'm glad I did that though because the manager originally said "oh just let her pay for it". :waitasec:

My daughter told me that scarred her for life! :evilgrin:

Oops, sorry. I digress.

[Txmom]

I cannot believe that I am one of the few parents that speak very openly to their children...my oldest child is a son and will be 21 next month. I dont remember what happened but I do remember telling him...its time that you act like a young man and tell the truth. Yes you might get into trouble and you most likely will receive some type of punishment, but its better to tell the truth now instead of carrying around all that guilt. I do know that he told the truth and because he did his punishment wasnt so severe (this was something that happened at school----I think he got caught with tabacco products) I was furious with him, and as far as I know he has not touched a can of tabacco since that time.

After all that I read on WS I have told both children that I dont care how old you are.. I will voice my opinion loud and clear when I think that you have done something wrong or is against the morals and values that I have taught. Even when I am 80 and you are 50...both of them have laughed and told their friends that they know that I will do just that.

[WhiteWolf]

Well, his step-dad did say LE would probably try to pin this on him which is why he advised him to get an attorney.

I've never heard a word uttered by this POS, but I would imagine he's probably a smooth talker and has his parents convinced he didn't do it. His parent's are probably thinking, "Just because he had a g/f, it doesn't mean he's a murderer." LOL, I've already seen this posted on another board.

I think we've heard that one before. :doh:

JMHO
fran


fran, this is what makes this so sh^tty. Jason probably blubbered to his mom and stepdad how he was having an affair, but he didn't kill his pregnant wife. Maybe his girlfriend did, but heaven forbid, he didn't do it.

Upchuck....

[PolkSaladAnnie]

fran, this is what makes this so sh^tty. Jason probably blubbered to his mom and stepdad how he was having an affair, but he didn't kill his pregnant wife. Maybe his girlfriend did, but heaven forbid, he didn't do it.

Upchuck....

I agree with you, Whitewolf and have wondered what he may, or may not have told his parents. Your post could be 'bagn on' .... and that's why G Mc was so feisty about JY getting "the best". I always believe there is a huge canyon that falls between logic and denial. Many do not WANT to build a bridge across that canyon - perhaps because of convenience, shame, keeping up appearances (ehem), a hidden resent for those in the "other" camp .... and insecurity.

In ISP's case, here we had parents that were relatively well off, ran their own business, were quick enough to come up with a zillion answers to defend Scoot, spent millions on his defense - lived in a fair part of town, good cars, etc .... they were not uneducated, underprivileged folk with no access to information, reasearch and the full investigation of Scott's case. Yet they would NOT join the dots of screaming logic? Just doesn't gel. However - that's their option in life, sadly. I certainly would make my life miserable to make my "little boy", a.k.a. The Kid feel better. He's a d-murderer; had a fair trial - got convicted and is one day going to die for it.

Fran, packerdog: agreed, lol .... "Just because he had an affair doesn't mean he's a murderer...." :doh:

Taxi... Hey there! Great realtionship you have with your kids! I would do as Sami said: grab them by the earlobes and deal with it.

I bet there WILL be more stories of his cheating ways coming out!!!

[nanandjim]

If the stepfather immediately assisted Jason in getting an attorney, he knew some things about Jason that weren't too flattering. Perhaps, he had been confiding in his mother that he didn't love Michelle or that he felt trapped or that he was having an affair.

I mean, if your son is out of town when his wife is murdered, why on earth would you think that police are going to suspect him? He has an alibi.

I think that this case is going to turn out a lot like the Scott Peterson case or any of the cases where the sociopath murders his wife and/or child(ren). Affairs, debt, lying, putting on to be something you're not...all part of the game. Also, part of the game is to murder the spouse when she discovers something about your deceit. I wonder if Michelle discovered something or was questioning Jason about something that made him feel that the jig was nearing its end.

[fran]

OhMyGosh! I had completely forgotten about old P's saying about men always cheat on their pregnant wife!

You know, this Jason guy could be just like SP, a complete liar all the time. We could all see it from the outside looking in the SP case, but he had gotten away with it for so many years with those close to him, he thought no one else would catch on.

Maybe this is a case like that. Then there's the step-dad, who we don't know how long he's been in the picture, may have seen through all this and not said anything and knew when Michelle ended up dead, his step-son may be responsible, thus the LAWYER immediately.

Good grief! Killing one's wife (pregnant or not) is like an epidemic. Just think how many of these guys have gotten away with it. Do any of you realize how many disappearances we've seen even here on WS, that there's a suspect, but no body is recovered and they can't prove who did it? There's lots of suspicion, just not proof.

It's really, really sad. :(

JMHO
fran

[Pinkhammer]

All you Websleuths are ahead of the game once again. Many of you pegged Jason Young as the perp right at the beginning.

I know, I know--innocent until proven guilty--BUT that is in a court of law, not on a crime forum, TG.

The thing now is will Jason cop a plea, or put us all through a senational trial?

[fran]

All you Websleuths are ahead of the game once again. Many of you pegged Jason Young as the perp right at the beginning.

I know, I know--innocent until proven guilty--BUT that is in a court of law, not on a crime forum, TG.

The thing now is will Jason cop a plea, or put us all through a senational trial?

My bet is, he'll make them go through a trial. :chicken: He's already shown what a chicken he is by NOT talking to LE at all, except when they impounded his car.

JMHO
fran

[PolkSaladAnnie]

All you Websleuths are ahead of the game once again. Many of you pegged Jason Young as the perp right at the beginning.

I know, I know--innocent until proven guilty--BUT that is in a court of law, not on a crime forum, TG.

The thing now is will Jason cop a plea, or put us all through a senational trial?

Hi pinkhammer ... if the trial sensationalizes ANYTHING, I trust it will be to keep the spotlight on the SENSELESS murders of preg women and their inncent baby-in-womb.

Until more info is released, have to admit (IMHO) that I feel JY is the perp!

[samhoney]

I don't think I've come across a set of parents more firmly entrenched in denial than the Peterson parents. They are in such a state of denial that Papa Peterson banned Mama Peterson's daughter from his house because she feels differently about Scott's "innocence". IMO, Scott is exactly where he should be right now.

[julianne]

Someone posted above that JY might implicate his girlfriend in this horrible murder. That got me thinking...Do any of you guys think that is possible? I mean, I know ANYTHING is possible....but what IF the girlfriend did it? What if she KNEW JY was going to be out of town? Does she have an alibi for that night, or do we know?

It may be a crazy thought, but it HAS happened before. Maybe JY wanted to break it off with the girlfriend? Maybe the girlfriend thought the only thing standing in the way of her & JY being together was Michelle?

Thoughts?

[strach304]

Someone posted above that JY might implicate his girlfriend in this horrible murder. That got me thinking...Do any of you guys think that is possible? I mean, I know ANYTHING is possible....but what IF the girlfriend did it? What if she KNEW JY was going to be out of town? Does she have an alibi for that night, or do we know?

It may be a crazy thought, but it HAS happened before. Maybe JY wanted to break it off with the girlfriend? Maybe the girlfriend thought the only thing standing in the way of her & JY being together was Michelle?

Thoughts?

Or her husband. We just don't know any of that info yet. I think that idea has passed through many of our minds. I'd be more inclined to believe she was an accomplice rather than doing it herself without Jason's knowledge. The fax, trips out of town and leaving home in front of witnesses are too eerily coincidental imo for him to have had nothing to do with it. Although stranger things have happened.

[fran]

To be honest, I don't think the g/f had anything to do with this. From what I gather from the 'friend of a friend' on ctv, JY hit on this woman during a vulnerable time in her life, it was only consumated ;) once . He may have still been after her but maybe she was having second thoughts.

Heck, I don't know!? :silenced:

JMHO
fran

[jilly]

To be honest, I don't think the g/f had anything to do with this. From what I gather from the 'friend of a friend' on ctv, JY hit on this woman during a vulnerable time in her life, it was only consumated ;) once . He may have still been after her but maybe she was having second thoughts.

Heck, I don't know!? :silenced:

JMHO
fran
That's interesting Fran - thanks!

[jilly]

You guys are all soooo smart!!!

DEPUTY lol - I was thinking I'd lost my mind and was looking for my contributing post on this thread.

FLOH - I think you're right about Entwistle. They didn't even offer to get him a high profile attorney. He's got a public defender.

RC - I agree with you about JY having to be cornered. I think the step father played right into his hand what with getting the lawyer and JY said nothing about this girlfriend. I say this because if JY had mentioned this to his parents, they would have hired a lawyer before they headed to Raleigh. As it is they didn't hire one until all their luggage was seized with the vehicle.

WHITEWOLF I believe that since all these warrants were issued that JY has been "blubbering" to his parents. Also, if Meredith was in involved in some criminal activity, I believe he's the source.

ANNIE :blowkiss: Great post. I believe you're "bang-on" with the logic and denial. I would just throw in the element of fear that his parents are consumed with right now.

NAN Good point about the out of town alibi. No reason for the family to suspect Jy and that's why they probably didn't consider hiring a lawyer before charging off to Raleigh.

FRAN Yes...this guy could be another "complete liar".

ALWAYS SHOCKED As I stated on another thread, at this point you would think the parents are doing some analysis. I sure would be but then again, I spend a good portion of my life on this board. I would suspect that they are very scared. Like Annie says, this could ruin their life as well as their bank account.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Or her husband. We just don't know any of that info yet. I think that idea has passed through many of our minds. I'd be more inclined to believe she was an accomplice rather than doing it herself without Jason's knowledge. The fax, trips out of town and leaving home in front of witnesses are too eerily coincidental imo for him to have had nothing to do with it. Although stranger things have happened.

Sure thing, strach. When some things in these crimes are uncovered, we go into shock - thinking "can't be!".... when actually it CAN be. On the g/f's involvement I'm inclined to believe she wasn't involved other than being part of JY's motive. But as you say ... stranger things ....

Lord, I wonder if JY reads this board (or CTV's board?). I'm sure his family must know about these forums from what the "insiders" have posted at CTV. Gosh, I was dizzy yesterday trying to read there: page after page after PAGE of bickering :bang:

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hey jilly-girl - GREAT post... (I should do that rather than spam one thread when I get going, lol! :D )

Now dash along to the O/T thread ... sample close's cookies: they're great :)

[raisincharlie]

Given the amount of time that has now passed, the disclosure of warrants, the confirmation of a "relationship", a false allegation concerning Cassidy's trust fund and Aunt, and the recent revelation that Linda Fisher has not seen her grand daughter, I thought resurection of this thread appropriate.

IMO - the Young family knows.

ETA - Sami posted this in the OT Thread - incase you did not see it:

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/story.html?id=a62c75b2-5e3c-438a-9b0e-60737e5ad6fa


Children this young do talk...

[scandi]

Hi Charlie, I missed this, unless it is the charge made by RPD at CTV about Meredith. Is this what you meant?

The article posted by Sami was very interesting. There was a lot of specific evidence in that case, him caught on tape, etc. We don't yet really know what they have on their POI in this case, but I'm hoping the 911 call will be allowed in as evidence.

[raisincharlie]

Hi Charlie, I missed this, unless it is the charge made by RPD at CTV about Meredith. Is this what you meant?

The article posted by Sami was very interesting. There was a lot of specific evidence in that case, him caught on tape, etc. We don't yet really know what they have on their POI in this case, but I'm hoping the 911 call will be allowed in as evidence.

Yes - that is the allegation I am refering to. It seems this information was disseminated without a firm basis and was the talk of Raleigh. It was also referenced on other boards as well - Topix net, N&O etc...someone put it out and even RPD acknowledged it was the JY camp.

[otto]

The article posted by Sami was very interesting. There was a lot of specific evidence in that case, him caught on tape, etc. We don't yet really know what they have on their POI in this case, but I'm hoping the 911 call will be allowed in as evidence.

The case posted by Samiya relates to a case that is closed, guilty. The voir dire regarding admissibility of the preschoolers information was released after the verdict. It is compelling information, but I find it hard to believe that a 3 year old would talk about the heart beating:

"When Kelly [Ashley's grandmother] was cleaning up a spill with paper towels, Ashley asked, "Did you see the blood on Mommy's [Liana] neck and her heart stopped and her died?" Ashley motioned with her finger across her neck and down her chest." (see link to Michael White) Did her dad tell her that her mom's heart stopped beating? her grandma? a 3 year old knows this?

I don't think the 911 tape could be admitted because there is controversy over what Cassidy is saying in the background. Furthermore, at age 2 she is still considered to be an infant. Even if they were to enhance the tape, it would give prejudicial information from an infant and could not be admissable. Without enhancement, it is still controversial. I think the 911 tape is out.

[otto]

Yes - that is the allegation I am refering to. It seems this information was disseminated without a firm basis and was the talk of Raleigh. It was also referenced on other boards as well - Topix net, N&O etc...someone put it out and even RPD acknowledged it was the JY camp.

Catch me up here ... is there, or has there been, a conspiracy from the "JY camp" to achieve some objective?

I feel like I'm trying to decipher some code.

[strach304]

Otto, it was the poster on Ctv boards that started a thread saying Meredith was arrested for nine counts of embezzlement and the news would be reported soon and it never happened. That may have happened while you were sick.

As a mother of two very intelligent and articulate daughters I can assure you the things they say at 2 and 3 have amazed even me. :eek:

[close_enough]

Otto, it was the poster on Ctv boards that started a thread saying Meredith was arrested for nine counts of embezzlement and the news would be reported soon and it never happened. That may have happened while you were sick.

As a mother of two very intelligent and articulate daughters I can assure you the things they say at 2 and 3 have amazed even me. :eek:

i'm glad you posted this....my husband's granddaughter will be 4 this month, & she's just now starting to talk where you can really understand her....i have a great niece that's the opposite...she's been chatting since she was 2 & by 2 1/2 she was blowing my mind with some of the words & sentences that she could say....she's VERY articulate with her words...our whole family was just blown away when she first started talking...it's hard to believe that she's only going to be 4 in March....she's just always talked really really plain.....course, mind you as she was learning at around two, we'd sometimes have to say "what?", but she'd repeat things to where you could understand her....she's amazing, imo.....a lot of kids are just like that....two of my sons were talking 'good' at 2 1/2, & one of them talked exceptionally well, but nothing like my great niece was.....

[less0305]

i'm glad you posted this....my husband's granddaughter will be 4 this month, & she's just now starting to talk where you can really understand her....i have a great niece that's the opposite...she's been chatting since she was 2 & by 2 1/2 she was blowing my mind with some of the words & sentences that she could say....she's VERY articulate with her words...our whole family was just blown away when she first started talking...it's hard to believe that she's only going to be 4 in March....she's just always talked really really plain.....course, mind you as she was learning at around two, we'd sometimes have to say "what?", but she'd repeat things to where you could understand her....she's amazing, imo.....a lot of kids are just like that....two of my sons were talking 'good' at 2 1/2, & one of them talked exceptionally well, but nothing like my great niece was.....

The month my daughter turned two years old we had to have her to a periodontist (sp?) for a minor accident involving her front tooth - the dentist looked at me in utter amazement and said, "I've never in my 15 years of practice with only children seen a child conduct a conversation like that at two years of age. Most 6 year olds can't formulate sentences like that!" Some kids just have a knack for being conversationalist, I guess.

[otto]

I think that Jason's parents are giving him the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure that they believe he is innocent, but if the evidence starts to pile up they will probably form doubts. So long as they are willing to tell the truth, there's nothing to worry about. They are part of Jason's alibi and it would be a huge mistake for them to try to manipulate the facts in Jason's favour. Telling Jason to lawyer up right away could be interpretted in two ways. It could be that they don't trust the police and it could be that they don't trust Jason.

[jilly]

I think that Jason's parents are giving him the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure that they believe he is innocent, but if the evidence starts to pile up they will probably form doubts. So long as they are willing to tell the truth, there's nothing to worry about. They are part of Jason's alibi and it would be a huge mistake for them to try to manipulate the facts in Jason's favour. Telling Jason to lawyer up right away could be interpretted in two ways. It could be that they don't trust the police and it could be that they don't trust Jason.

Well according to one of the 'insiders' in JYs camp (last nite) they are no where near having doubt about JY. In fact, this insider claims to know who murdered MY. I think it's safe to say at this point they don't trust LE and the media. :boohoo:

[packerdog]

Do they really know their son at all? I have 3 sons and I can tell within seconds if they were to tell a lie. I just can't believe that they think Jason had nothing to do with it. I can't believe that they wouldn't want Jason to help the police if they thought he had nothing to do with it and just get a lawyer fight off the bat. Do his folks not care if the murderer is caught? Do they fear the police more than finding a killer? They know he is good for it.

[fran]

The month my daughter turned two years old we had to have her to a periodontist (sp?) for a minor accident involving her front tooth - the dentist looked at me in utter amazement and said, "I've never in my 15 years of practice with only children seen a child conduct a conversation like that at two years of age. Most 6 year olds can't formulate sentences like that!" Some kids just have a knack for being conversationalist, I guess.


IMHO, they should not just discount off-hand what Cassidy may have said. Although she's legally just an infant, some two year olds are much more astute than others.

I've raised six children. One of them, the middle daughter, was talking in full sentences, knew her alphabet inside and out, and was beginning to read words by her 2nd birthday. She could also write them.

She didn't just talk in sentences with no meaning either. We were at my inlaws and when my FIL brought out some ice cream, she told him it looked expensive. LOL, she was used to the 'store brand.'

If Cassidy is this type of child, they really should listen to what she says. Of course, I guess that's up to the courts, but they shouldn't dismiss her statements as the utterances of a baby.

JMHO
fran

[otto]

IMHO, they should not just discount off-hand what Cassidy may have said. Although she's legally just an infant, some two year olds are much more astute than others.

I've raised six children. One of them, the middle daughter, was talking in full sentences, knew her alphabet inside and out, and was beginning to read words by her 2nd birthday. She could also write them.

She didn't just talk in sentences with no meaning either. We were at my inlaws and when my FIL brought out some ice cream, she told him it looked expensive. LOL, she was used to the 'store brand.'

If Cassidy is this type of child, they really should listen to what she says. Of course, I guess that's up to the courts, but they shouldn't dismiss her statements as the utterances of a baby.

JMHO
fran

I agree completely that some children are able to communicate at a very young age. When my granddaughter was barely 4 she sat beside me with a book and just started talking away. Being an a-typical grandparent, I was only half paying attention to her but when I clued in, I realized that she was reading fluently from the book. I immediately reprimanded my daughter for teaching her daughter to read at such a young age, but my daughter was innocent. Her daughter had taught herself to read. I always thought stories like that were a bit of a myth until I saw it for myself. Girls tend to be like this more than boys ... that is, more developed in language at a young age. Given how Cassidy was chatting away on the 911 tape, I think we all are pretty much in agreement that Cassidy is one of those children that was strong in language even at the tender age of 2.5 years. Sadly, a traumatic event like she has experienced can interupt the development of children on all levels.

[otto]

Well according to one of the 'insiders' in JYs camp (last nite) they are no where near having doubt about JY. In fact, this insider claims to know who murdered MY. I think it's safe to say at this point they don't trust LE and the media. :boohoo:

I feel very sorry for Jason that he comes from an environment where honesty and integrity are not valued. If his parents are carte blanche assuming that he had nothing to do with this, in spite of his unusual reaction to his wife's murder, then it is no wonder that (if he did this) he thought he could get away with it. I realize that we've discussed the anger angle as a possible spring board for the murder, but I'm more inclined to think that he's more like the sociopathic murderer that simply makes a rational decision that he would be better off without his wife and systematically goes through the motions of planning and executing her murder. The only long term thinking he put into the entire event was how to get away with it. I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't feeling a little quesy in the hours after the murder, but nothing a good nap wouldn't cure. If his parents are okay with all of this, they should realize that they could just as easily be next on his list of financial easy-street sources.

[jilly]

I feel very sorry for Jason that he comes from an environment where honesty and integrity are not valued. If his parents are carte blanche assuming that he had nothing to do with this, in spite of his unusual reaction to his wife's murder, then it is no wonder that (if he did this) he thought he could get away with it. I realize that we've discussed the anger angle as a possible spring board for the murder, but I'm more inclined to think that he's more like the sociopathic murderer that simply makes a rational decision that he would be better off without his wife and systematically goes through the motions of planning and executing her murder. The only long term thinking he put into the entire event was how to get away with it. I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't feeling a little quesy in the hours after the murder, but nothing a good nap wouldn't cure. If his parents are okay with all of this, they should realize that they could just as easily be next on his list of financial easy-street sources.

It really does make you wonder what's going on. Can't remember if it was you or not but someone said they guess that McIntyre or someone in the family has maybe had a previous 'experience' with LE. Maybe someone in the family is a lawyer. The first thing a lawyer's going to say is shut your mouth and you are under no obligation to speak to LE. You can tell your lawyer that you want to co-operate with LE because you've got nothing to hide and the lawyer will accompany you. It is so very suspicious in my mind that he won't even do this.

Right now the family doesn't know much because LE hasn't said anything. Even with MM - at this point it can easily be explained that they were just good friends. Maybe once some facts start coming out like he didn't even have a meeting on the 3rd (speculating here) the family will start putting 2 & 2 together.

Someone mentioned before that they think JYs attorney has probably been in contact with LE. Aside from getting the vehicle back, I really doubt that. I don't think LE has to give them particulars until one is charged. What do you think?

[otto]

It really does make you wonder what's going on. Can't remember if it was you or not but someone said they guess that McIntyre or someone in the family has maybe had a previous 'experience' with LE. Maybe someone in the family is a lawyer. The first thing a lawyer's going to say is shut your mouth and you are under no obligation to speak to LE. You can tell your lawyer that you want to co-operate with LE because you've got nothing to hide and the lawyer will accompany you. It is so very suspicious in my mind that he won't even do this.

Right now the family doesn't know much because LE hasn't said anything. Even with MM - at this point it can easily be explained that they were just good friends. Maybe once some facts start coming out like he didn't even have a meeting on the 3rd (speculating here) the family will start putting 2 & 2 together.

Someone mentioned before that they think JYs attorney has probably been in contact with LE. Aside from getting the vehicle back, I really doubt that. I don't think LE has to give them particulars until one is charged. What do you think?

I actually thought that the police had presented questions to Jason's lawyer and that Jason would have answered some questions, but now I don't know. Sometimes the police will say things to get a reaction. It's possible that they have had some answers through the lawyer but are publicly stating that they haven't spoken with Jason because they want to get him mad enough to speak up. If Jason at least communicated through his lawyer, it would show good will and that could go a long way towards making the point that he's afraid of being framed.

In the Porco case, the police put a gps transponder on his and his mother's car. Porco removed them and returned them to the police. I wonder if Jason has removed the gps transponder ... because we know they put one on his car.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Well according to one of the 'insiders' in JYs camp (last nite) they are no where near having doubt about JY. In fact, this insider claims to know who murdered MY. I think it's safe to say at this point they don't trust LE and the media. :boohoo:

Ohmigosh, jilly! I could add an orchestra to that little violin, lol! JUST like the pees - and Scotts infamous statement: "No.... but I know who did...".

Makes you want to barf, eh, when you hear/read these things. I haven't read at CTV for a while - I'm guessing similar posts are going on here as they are over there, right? Any more cat fights there, heh???

Pssst: hugs to you, jilly-girl :) :crazy:

[jilly]

Ohmigosh, jilly! I could add an orchestra to that little violin, lol! JUST like the pees - and Scotts infamous statement: "No.... but I know who did...".

Makes you want to barf, eh, when you hear/read these things. I haven't read at CTV for a while - I'm guessing similar posts are going on here as they are over there, right? Any more cat fights there, heh???

Pssst: hugs to you, jilly-girl :) :crazy:

Hi Annie - Happy to see you here! :blowkiss: Hopefully this virus you have is a lesser strain because I hear it's wicked. Get well soon!

Back to topic - I would like to know who jtf is over there. According to her/him they are also in the know about all financial details. Sounds like a family member. It was wild over there the other nite - I spent about 2 hrs just reading of course! :crazy: jtf exposed rpd as a female Raleigh police officer who's source (who s/he named) is a friend of MY.

Yesterday the focus seemed to be on the Order for JY to submit to photographs etc. There's normally 72 hrs to comply to such an order but LE got that waived. The Order was issued on Nov 7 and JY complied the next day. They wanted the 72 hrs waived because they said there was evidence of a struggle and injuries could heal if there was a delay. In the end, JY had 5 days from the time of the murder to being photographed and RPD says surface wounds would heal in 5 days so it's questionable whether there'd be anything to photograph if he in fact was injured.

[close_enough]

Hi Annie - Happy to see you here! :blowkiss: Hopefully this virus you have is a lesser strain because I hear it's wicked. Get well soon!

Back to topic - I would like to know who jtf is over there. According to her/him they are also in the know about all financial details. Sounds like a family member. It was wild over there the other nite - I spent about 2 hrs just reading of course! :crazy: jtf exposed rpd as a female Raleigh police officer who's source (who s/he named) is a friend of MY.

Yesterday the focus seemed to be on the Order for JY to submit to photographs etc. There's normally 72 hrs to comply to such an order but LE got that waived. The Order was issued on Nov 7 and JY complied the next day. They wanted the 72 hrs waived because they said there was evidence of a struggle and injuries could heal if there was a delay. In the end, JY had 5 days from the time of the murder to being photographed and RPD says surface wounds would heal in 5 days so it's questionable whether there'd be anything to photograph if he in fact was injured.

i wouldn't doubt if RPD is a female....i made one comment questioning RPD about being Jane02, & oooh, i don't know..a page or two passed & it was the FIRST time that RPD commented that he/she is a male....(discussed a wife in the post)....BUT that was probably my mind working 'overtime' ya know??

i also believe, like you, that JTF is probably a family member...

[scandi]

I read that too Close, where RPD says he is male and is married. I think I've heard him infer that his wife was a sorority sister friend of Michelle's.

JTF, Oftentimes I think it is Jason. He is used to posting on sport forums and must be going bonkers about now doing nothing that we know of. I think it really ires him that boards discuss this case at great depths, and his male ego can't quite handle these thoughts being out there. He's smart and has tried to correct things to where he wants them and to throw false info out to throw us off kilt. He probably knows LE reads at CTV - they read here too as our Mod told us that when Laci went missing.

Unless it is a law clerk doing the bidding of Mr Smith, who else would go to bat for JY on such a continual basis than the man himself!

[jilly]

i wouldn't doubt if RPD is a female....i made one comment questioning RPD about being Jane02, & oooh, i don't know..a page or two passed & it was the FIRST time that RPD commented that he/she is a male....(discussed a wife in the post)....BUT that was probably my mind working 'overtime' ya know??


Afternoon Close - evening to you! :)
I remember that about JaneO2!! Come to think of it Jane never came back did she?

[jilly]

JTF, Oftentimes I think it is Jason. He is used to posting on sport forums and must be going bonkers about now doing nothing that we know of. I think it really ires him that boards discuss this case at great depths, and his male ego can't quite handle these thoughts being out there. He's smart and has tried to correct things to where he wants them and to throw false info out to throw us off kilt. He probably knows LE reads at CTV - they read here too as our Mod told us that when Laci went missing.

Unless it is a law clerk doing the bidding of Mr Smith, who else would go to bat for JY on such a continual basis than the man himself!

Very good points Scandi. One things for sure - Jason is not Jay's fan. LOL its probably Justin Falconer!! :crazy: No....second thought can't be Justin - too educated.

[raisincharlie]

Well according to one of the 'insiders' in JYs camp (last nite) they are no where near having doubt about JY. In fact, this insider claims to know who murdered MY. I think it's safe to say at this point they don't trust LE and the media. :boohoo:
Must have been just the facts and hopefully she told LE who murdered Michelle since she claims to know. Wonder why LE isn't focusing on that person ? Now we have it - LE is on the wrong track...yea, right. :slap:

[raisincharlie]

It really does make you wonder what's going on. Can't remember if it was you or not but someone said they guess that McIntyre or someone in the family has maybe had a previous 'experience' with LE. Maybe someone in the family is a lawyer. The first thing a lawyer's going to say is shut your mouth and you are under no obligation to speak to LE. You can tell your lawyer that you want to co-operate with LE because you've got nothing to hide and the lawyer will accompany you. It is so very suspicious in my mind that he won't even do this.

Right now the family doesn't know much because LE hasn't said anything. Even with MM - at this point it can easily be explained that they were just good friends. Maybe once some facts start coming out like he didn't even have a meeting on the 3rd (speculating here) the family will start putting 2 & 2 together.

Someone mentioned before that they think JYs attorney has probably been in contact with LE. Aside from getting the vehicle back, I really doubt that. I don't think LE has to give them particulars until one is charged. What do you think?
I don't think LE has to give the lawyer any particulars about lab results or anything of that nature until whatever the discovery rules are in NC. I did note on most of the warrants, they were marked as being copied to Roger Smith. That may be SOP for NC but I don't know that one way or the other.

I will speculate that JY's family does not believe he had anything to do with it, nor do they want to believe it. I think they will provide a solid front that the trip to Brevard was a planned event - even if he called them on 3 November to tell them he was stopping by - Just My Opinion of course.

[jilly]

Must have been just the facts and hopefully she told LE who murdered Michelle since she claims to know. Wonder why LE isn't focusing on that person ? Now we have it - LE is on the wrong track...yea, right. :slap:

You're right again! :)

[raisincharlie]

You're right again! :)
I just popped over and looked since I read your post. I see there is also the claim that valuable jewelery was taken along with the drawers from the jewelery box. Come on, I didn't fall off no turnip truck - the drawers were taken - how crazy is that ? Not buying that one. No way :doh:

[jilly]

I don't think LE has to give the lawyer any particulars about lab results or anything of that nature until whatever the discovery rules are in NC. I did note on most of the warrants, they were marked as being copied to Roger Smith. That may be SOP for NC but I don't know that one way or the other.

I will speculate that JY's family does not believe he had anything to do with it, nor do they want to believe it. I think they will provide a solid front that the trip to Brevard was a planned event - even if he called them on 3 November to tell them he was stopping by - Just My Opinion of course.

I have to say that if this was my son, I might be in a state of denial at this point too. I know I'd be scared silly though.

That's interesting about the warrants being copied to the lawyer. I would guess that Smith might have contacted LE and told them any communication with Young should go through him - in other words back off but to be copied with the warrants - I find that interesting. No big deal though.

[raisincharlie]

I have to say that if this was my son, I might be in a state of denial at this point too. I know I'd be scared silly though.

That's interesting about the warrants being copied to the lawyer. I would guess that Smith might have contacted LE and told them any communication with Young should go through him - in other words back off but to be copied with the warrants - I find that interesting. No big deal though.
I agree - no big deal. I'm sure the cya started long before the warrants were ever returned. :cool:

[otto]

I have to say that if this was my son, I might be in a state of denial at this point too. I know I'd be scared silly though.

That's interesting about the warrants being copied to the lawyer. I would guess that Smith might have contacted LE and told them any communication with Young should go through him - in other words back off but to be copied with the warrants - I find that interesting. No big deal though.

I think that since Jason has a lawyer, the warrants are given to the lawyer who then contacts Jason about their contents. As for disclosure, I think that the police have to disclose their evidence after charges are laid and a trial date is set.

[fran]

I think that since Jason has a lawyer, the warrants are given to the lawyer who then contacts Jason about their contents. As for disclosure, I think that the police have to disclose their evidence after charges are laid and a trial date is set.

During the SP trial, LE had to turn over evidence that they were using to show probable cause for SP to stand trial. That was, I believe, somewhere between 30 to 60 days prior to the preliminary hearing. Then before the actual trial began, they then were obligated to turn over ANYTHING they planned to use as evidence during trial, during the same type of time frame.

I also believe that anytime LE comes up with anything 'exculpatory,' they must turn that over to the defendents attorney.

JMHO
fran

[otto]

During the SP trial, LE had to turn over evidence that they were using to show probable cause for SP to stand trial. That was, I believe, somewhere between 30 to 60 days prior to the preliminary hearing. Then before the actual trial began, they then were obligated to turn over ANYTHING they planned to use as evidence during trial, during the same type of time frame.

I also believe that anytime LE comes up with anything 'exculpatory,' they must turn that over to the defendents attorney.

JMHO
fran

Thanks Fran. My legal info (and I'm not a lawyer) is from the Canadian system, which can be quite different than the US system. I think it's fairly common here for people to waive the pre-lim and go straight to trial, at which point there is full disclosure by the Crown. Exculpatory evidence must be turned over and, if not, it can be grounds for a mistrial.

[jilly]

During the SP trial, LE had to turn over evidence that they were using to show probable cause for SP to stand trial. That was, I believe, somewhere between 30 to 60 days prior to the preliminary hearing. Then before the actual trial began, they then were obligated to turn over ANYTHING they planned to use as evidence during trial, during the same type of time frame.

I also believe that anytime LE comes up with anything 'exculpatory,' they must turn that over to the defendents attorney.

JMHO
fran

I understand what you're saying Fran but wasn't Scott already charged before the DA was obligated to turn over anything to his attorneys?

[otto]

I understand what you're saying Fran but wasn't Scott already charged before the DA was obligated to turn over anything to his attorneys?

It makes sense that first the charges are laid, a trial date is set where the accused elects a Judge and jury or Judge alone, then there may be some discussion about making a deal and finally full disclosure as the trial date approaches.

[scandi]

Must have been just the facts and hopefully she told LE who murdered Michelle since she claims to know. Wonder why LE isn't focusing on that person ? Now we have it - LE is on the wrong track...yea, right. :slap:

Yea, it is amazing isn't it. This same person who says yes, they know who did it is salting that board with statements that IMHO are untrue to get us all off on a different tangent. He/she says Michelle's valuable jewelry was burgled {and they took the jewelry drawers too} and that the insurance policy was not purchased 3 mos before her death. Also that they were a very happy loving couple.

I don't think any of that is true, as our sources are quite good. The police said right away that it was not a burglary, RPD stated he had talked to the insurance agent who sold the million dollar policy and indeed it was approx 3 months before she died. I believe him. And just the affair alone would mean this couple were not the picture perfect married couple.

Someone out there is going crazeee with too much time on his hands I think. and wanting to try and shape the case in the way he wants it to be seen.

[jilly]

It makes sense that first the charges are laid, a trial date is set where the accused elects a Judge and jury or Judge alone, then there may be some discussion about making a deal and finally full disclosure as the trial date approaches.

I think so although I'm not sure about how they go about choosing the type of trial they want. I remember something about electing to have a speedy one because after that Geragos caused all sorts of delays!! I can't go by my memory but I think SP was charged in the April and it was months afterward that the prelim started.

[otto]

I think so although I'm not sure about how they go about choosing the type of trial they want. I remember something about electing to have a speedy one because after that Geragos caused all sorts of delays!! I can't go by my memory but I think SP was charged in the April and it was months afterward that the prelim started.

I know that he was charged in April when Laci and Conner were found. After that, the dates are all fuzzy for me. The police did not disclose prior to Scott being charged, as it would have tipped him off sooner to flee the country.

[jilly]

I know that he was charged in April when Laci and Conner were found. After that, the dates are all fuzzy for me. The police did not disclose prior to Scott being charged, as it would have tipped him off sooner to flee the country.

Yes of course. Good point!

[raisincharlie]

Yea, it is amazing isn't it. This same person who says yes, they know who did it is salting that board with statements that IMHO are untrue to get us all off on a different tangent. He/she says Michelle's valuable jewelry was burgled {and they took the jewelry drawers too} and that the insurance policy was not purchased 3 mos before her death. Also that they were a very happy loving couple.

I don't think any of that is true, as our sources are quite good. The police said right away that it was not a burglary, RPD stated he had talked to the insurance agent who sold the million dollar policy and indeed it was approx 3 months before she died. I believe him. And just the affair alone would mean this couple were not the picture perfect married couple.

Someone out there is going crazeee with too much time on his hands I think. and wanting to try and shape the case in the way he wants it to be seen.
Scandi,

I just don't know what to say about it. JTF always has opened a whole lot more doors than she ever shut IMO. Nonsensical at times - taking the drawers is a fine example - no burglar is going to bother with the drawers. Personally, I think LE would have noticed the drawers being gone and just might have thought there was a burglary. Common sense is in low supply there IMO. Crazy !!!

I agree, the relationship doesn't exude the picture of a happy marriage, what's even worse - a sorority sister - supposedly a good friend who lives out of state - that's pretty low and pretty much a picture of how JY likes things to be - out of sight-out of mind JMO.

By the way - lots of trees hanging on the lines here - if I dsiappear its because the phone lines are gone... :(

[jilly]

By the way - lots of trees hanging on the lines here - if I dsiappear its because the phone lines are gone... :(

Wishing you luck here RC. I know all about falling trees this year, lol.
Last week I learned something new although everyone else probably knows. We lost our power for 12 hrs. I picked up the phone and it was dead.

The next morning (power still out) I heard a phone ringing. I thought it was the fax and just ignored it. Well it kept ringing and I went into the office and it was the phone. I'm thinking how can that be? Long story short - with a power outage you lose your cordless phones but with a cord phone you don't. I sure felt stupid but I had no idea! :doh:

[strach304]

RC and Scandi, I read those posts a couple days ago from JTF. Are they posting again or are you talking about what they posted a few days ago? I did see what they were saying about the jewelry, etc.

Let me ask you this; any guess who this person is? I always suspected that poster was MM from awhile ago and was telling things as she knew them to be from Jason which may not be the truth. This time that persons posts look like downright concochted lies and desperate attempts to defend Jason. Maybe MM but I'm thinking nother lover :eek:

[raisincharlie]

RC and Scandi, I read those posts a couple days ago from JTF. Are they posting again or are you talking about what they posted a few days ago? I did see what they were saying about the jewelry, etc.

Let me ask you this; any guess who this person is? I always suspected that poster was MM from awhile ago and was telling things as she knew them to be from Jason which may not be the truth. This time that persons posts look like downright concochted lies and desperate attempts to defend Jason. Maybe MM but I'm thinking nother lover :eek:Strach,

Are you all better luv? Hope so !

The posts we are talking about were from a couple of days ago - I think right before the magazine article came out. JTF seems to surface when some stuff is about to hit the fan. I have kinda thought it might be one of JYs sisters myself but honestly - it could be a law clerk as easily ! Another girl friend - well if it is I doubt she told LE that part of it - she claims to have been interviewed by LE and so far nothing about a second girlfriend has surfaced. She also claims to be truthful - so if she is another gf, she definitely isn't all that honest as a second one would definitely get LE's hinky meters going.

I think overall however that she doth protest too much ! I certainly don't understand how the heck she thinks she is going to change a public forum that is designed for speculation and brainstorming. That's what is really weird - why would anyone care - it is not like the majority of posters are even anywhere near NC ? No tainted jury pool there to try and influence. That is why I think it is a relative - the forum means nothing yet there they are posting away - very defensively. JMO

ETA - her calling RPD out and posting names on a message board like she did - IMO is an act of desperation. Someone who does indeed talk to JY - IMO

[BarnGoddess]

I read over there today some. JTF's last post was on the 1/11 thread. I went to his profile to find the last posts. It is curious how he/she comes and goes. There's another one or two there that get defensive now, Cougarmom and Jays Fan. Could the same people be signing in under different hats?

[strach304]

I'm getting there RC, thanks. I never thought that particular poster was deliberately misleading when they first started posting and then when the MM info came out so many of them disappeared and stopped posting altogether. Now they reappear and it really looks to me like they aren't being truthful. What they hope to accomplish I don't know.

[Samiya]

Why bother to only take the drawers anyway?

Heck, just take the whole box and nutting but the box, so help you nutcase

Lol
Sami

[raisincharlie]

Why bother to only take the drawers anyway?

Heck, just take the whole box and nutting but the box, so help you nutcase

Lol
Sami
Better put than what I was trying to say - IMO the only person that might take the drawers is one unfamiliar with burglary and one making an effort to make LE think there was a burglary. I wonder who that might have been...

[close_enough]

Afternoon Close - evening to you! :)
I remember that about JaneO2!! Come to think of it Jane never came back did she?

morning jilly:)

nope, Jane02 made one post, & one post only.....& that was about the neighborhood rumors of a girlfriend in FL and that a delivery truck saw JY's vehicle at the home, when he should have been out on the road for his business meeting..... :cool:

[close_enough]

I read that too Close, where RPD says he is male and is married. I think I've heard him infer that his wife was a sorority sister friend of Michelle's.

JTF, Oftentimes I think it is Jason. He is used to posting on sport forums and must be going bonkers about now doing nothing that we know of. I think it really ires him that boards discuss this case at great depths, and his male ego can't quite handle these thoughts being out there. He's smart and has tried to correct things to where he wants them and to throw false info out to throw us off kilt. He probably knows LE reads at CTV - they read here too as our Mod told us that when Laci went missing.

Unless it is a law clerk doing the bidding of Mr Smith, who else would go to bat for JY on such a continual basis than the man himself!

i didn't know that JY use to post on sports forums...???? hmmmmmm, how did you find this bit of info?

[close_enough]

Very good points Scandi. One things for sure - Jason is not Jay's fan. LOL its probably Justin Falconer!! :crazy: No....second thought can't be Justin - too educated.

LOL @its probably Justin Falconer!!

[scandi]

I read it somewhere :D Really, I'm trying to think. It had to be at CTV. I'm sure of that as it is the only other place I read about the case escept for links. And the person who wrote this named the two sports sites where he posted, so I thought that looked pretty good for a source on a tip. I just read it last week, but had read it before about a month ago. Yea, he is used to forumworld.

In that first or second post that I distinctly remember as being made by JTF and not Just the facts {the posts are now shown as made by Just the facts}, where he came to correct things being stated on the forum that were not true, he made the comment he had been in their house many many times, and he really infered he was family in many statements he made. Now we learn he knows they have good credit and were not in finacial straits. I think it is JY posting. Just a feeling in my bones. How would a sister know they had good credit? Things like that are not usually discussed, even in families IMHO.

[strach304]

:laugh: Why bother to only take the drawers anyway?

Heck, just take the whole box and nutting but the box, so help you nutcase

Lol
Sami

That visual reminds me of old movies where they show the cat burgular dumping the jewels from the drawers into their stash bag.
If and that is a big if, Michele had a lot of expensive jewelry that was taken my first thought was it was part of a pay-off arranged by JY for the killer.

[strach304]

LOL @its probably Justin Falconer!!

That's hilarious, everytime I see his posts I picture JF too. :eek:

[curious1]

Snip....I also believe that anytime LE comes up with anything 'exculpatory,' they must turn that over to the defendents attorney.

JMHO
fran
Not if you are Nifong. Sorry, I just love sticking it to that ass hat every chance I can. :D

[raisincharlie]

Yea, it is amazing isn't it. This same person who says yes, they know who did it is salting that board with statements that IMHO are untrue to get us all off on a different tangent. He/she says Michelle's valuable jewelry was burgled {and they took the jewelry drawers too} and that the insurance policy was not purchased 3 mos before her death. Also that they were a very happy loving couple.

I don't think any of that is true, as our sources are quite good. The police said right away that it was not a burglary, RPD stated he had talked to the insurance agent who sold the million dollar policy and indeed it was approx 3 months before she died. I believe him. And just the affair alone would mean this couple were not the picture perfect married couple.

Someone out there is going crazeee with too much time on his hands I think. and wanting to try and shape the case in the way he wants it to be seen.

Scandi,

Having time to think about this a bit - I have to wonder if JTF is actually a part of JY's legal team. Jy's legal team would indeed have access to financial information, insurance information and all that supposed quiet stuff. They would also attempt to float ideas about several subjects just as JTF did on numerous occasions and when posters don't bite, adapt it a bit to something else. This stuff about the jewelery and the drawers being gone on the surface seems absurd but if one is trying to figure what will fly and what will not - bait the posters to gain information about how it looks and as well as obtain their responses. Given the vocal activities of this law firm in the past, this honestly would not surprise me. It has happened before. Possibility ?

JMO

[scandi]

By jove Charlie, I think you are correct.

I posted at CTV today that I thought counsel could be directing JTF what to write, as anything out there anywhere said negative about him could hurt JY's image in the public eye, even on something as grass roots as a public forum.

There have been several things said that we have reason to believe are not true, and that exasperates the heck out of me. The reason is the same as saying something without a link to back it up. Soon it is read as fact and it twists up posters thoughts on the case which intervenes {sp} with good
Sleuthin'. LOL

Like that whole gambling idea we've read about with JY. I don't even think that's true. Do you? Maybe it is, as I can't see them putting out negative ideas when what is needed is to boost his image in the public eye.

Oh, I am so ready for some hot 'n trottin' news in this case :banghead:

[otto]

...Like that whole gambling idea we've read about with JY. I don't even think that's true. Do you? Maybe it is, as I can't see them putting out negative ideas when what is needed is to boost his image in the public eye.

Oh, I am so ready for some hot 'n trottin' news in this case :banghead:

Hi Scandi, I don't read much at CTV unless everyone here discusses some craziness over there, so I haven't followed anything from the J character. What I have noticed is that when a wife is murdered, some of the first theories seem to be about money, bad spending habits and a financial motive. Gambling is almost always one of the first ideas tossed around. I don't think that Jason was a gambler ... but I'm not basing that on anything except that I haven't read anything to suggest he is a gambler. I think there is a financial motive, but I think it's because Michelle was going to scale back her work hours, the family was expanding and financially, as a young couple, they were stretched pretty thin. Jason was looking at having to simplify his lifestyle for his family and perhaps he didn't want to do that.

[raisincharlie]

<snip>

Like that whole gambling idea we've read about with JY. I don't even think that's true. Do you? Maybe it is, as I can't see them putting out negative ideas when what is needed is to boost his image in the public eye.

Oh, I am so ready for some hot 'n trottin' news in this case :banghead:
I think JY did his fair share of betting on sports - not sure that I am willing to believe it was excessive or out of control just yet. I don't see a problem with friendly wagers, it is to be seen if it goes beyond that. 50 -50 chance either way I'd say. JMO.

[scandi]

Yea Otto, I agree with you. I had heard gambling type rumors, but an insider posted at CTV that while in Las Vegas, JY called home and told Michelle he needed quite a sum of money, and she got very upset. It could just be the planting of a rumor for fodder, but like Charlie, I read he belonged to 2 sports forums, and for some reason I'm thinking they were about betting on sports.

Gosh, I wish I could remember where I read that!~

[otto]

Yea Otto, I agree with you. I had heard gambling type rumors, but an insider posted at CTV that while in Las Vegas, JY called home and told Michelle he needed quite a sum of money, and she got very upset. It could just be the planting of a rumor for fodder, but like Charlie, I read he belonged to 2 sports forums, and for some reason I'm thinking they were about betting on sports.

Gosh, I wish I could remember where I read that!~

Interesting. I guess the police are taking a careful look at the bank records of Jason and Michelle.

[close_enough]

I read it somewhere :D Really, I'm trying to think. It had to be at CTV. I'm sure of that as it is the only other place I read about the case escept for links. And the person who wrote this named the two sports sites where he posted, so I thought that looked pretty good for a source on a tip. I just read it last week, but had read it before about a month ago. Yea, he is used to forumworld.

In that first or second post that I distinctly remember as being made by JTF and not Just the facts {the posts are now shown as made by Just the facts}, where he came to correct things being stated on the forum that were not true, he made the comment he had been in their house many many times, and he really infered he was family in many statements he made. Now we learn he knows they have good credit and were not in finacial straits. I think it is JY posting. Just a feeling in my bones. How would a sister know they had good credit? Things like that are not usually discussed, even in families IMHO.

well, maybe a sister that he's staying with would ..... & she's typing the info for him??

one of the article states that the Youngs had "financial difficulties".....i have thought that was the case, more than likely, from the beginning....

[close_enough]

I think JY did his fair share of betting on sports - not sure that I am willing to believe it was excessive or out of control just yet. I don't see a problem with friendly wagers, it is to be seen if it goes beyond that. 50 -50 chance either way I'd say. JMO.

i agree, i don't see anything wrong with "friendly wagers", but i have a feeling that's not the case.....i think it's possible, IF JY was into gambling, he got in WAY over his head with it.....jmo

& the very first person to bring up the gambling debt was a person here at WS, not ctv....can't remember the 'handle' now, but he/she did stress it was rumored.....wufdude???? something like that

here's the post....made 3 days after the murder...

Purely speculation here so take it FWIW. Local rumors are huge gambling debts + large insurance policy. The rest can be filled in....

not sure if it's ok to post this above...if it's not i'll delete it, or a mod can....just wanted to make clear what the post 'said' about it being "rumor"/speculation.....i've never gotten this comment quite out of my mind .....

[jilly]

Hi Close! Hope you're feeling much better.

Thanks for that info. I was wondering where it came from. Seems that the poster was spot on with the insurance too!

[raisincharlie]

i agree, i don't see anything wrong with "friendly wagers", but i have a feeling that's not the case.....i think it's possible, IF JY was into gambling, he got in WAY over his head with it.....jmo

& the very first person to bring up the gambling debt was a person here at WS, not ctv....can't remember the 'handle' now, but he/she did stress it was rumored.....wufdude???? something like that

here's the post....made 3 days after the murder...

Purely speculation here so take it FWIW. Local rumors are huge gambling debts + large insurance policy. The rest can be filled in....

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Close,

Hope you are better ! Thanks for the above - I had indeed forgotten that. It certainly is possible and I would venture to say by now LE has investigated that angle. If people are talking about it, someone referenced it to LE during interviews, last I recall LE said they ad conducted 100 interviews. This may have been one of the triggers for LE to study the financial angle very closely. By now a betting man may have figured the odds of freedom - vs- jail. JMO

[close_enough]

Close,

Hope you are better ! Thanks for the above - I had indeed forgotten that. It certainly is possible and I would venture to say by now LE has investigated that angle. If people are talking about it, someone referenced it to LE during interviews, last I recall LE said they ad conducted 100 interviews. This may have been one of the triggers for LE to study the financial angle very closely. By now a betting man may have figured the odds of freedom - vs- jail. JMO

morning to both you & jilly:)
& YES, i'm feeling soooooo much better, thanks!

yep, yep, i think gambling is involved here, as far as "financial difficulties" go....JY didn't want another child, grew to hate Michelle, got himself a girlfriend, gambled a bit too much, & had over a million dollars in life insurance on his wife.....i still believe he planned this murder...i think had he not planned it & it was an arguement that got out of hand, he'd have been 'sloppy'/not thinking & PROBABLY would already be charged & in jail....

all JMO of course...

[packerdog]

I wonder if when he was trying to cover his tracks, he left one cell phone in the motel room when he made the trip back home. He could have called his cell phone from a pay phone so that it would look like he was there at say, 3:00am. He could have just hung up but it would appear that he was in his hotel room. Can pay phones be tracked?

[jilly]

I wonder if when he was trying to cover his tracks, he left one cell phone in the motel room when he made the trip back home. He could have called his cell phone from a pay phone so that it would look like he was there at say, 3:00am. He could have just hung up but it would appear that he was in his hotel room. Can pay phones be tracked?

The cell phone would record where that call is coming from wouldn't it?

If JY did do what you suggest, then he would have had to go back to the hotel to get that cell phone. My take is that once he walked out that hotel door he never went back.

[packerdog]

The cell phone would record where that call is coming from wouldn't it?

If JY did do what you suggest, then he would have had to go back to the hotel to get that cell phone. My take is that once he walked out that hotel door he never went back.

Hi jilly, It might track from the area of the pay phone but it probably wouldn't show a #. He could say that someone called the wrong # though.

Yes he may not have gone back to the hotel again but he had to get cleaned up somewhere, I am hoping it was the house and they have proof.

[raisincharlie]

Hi jilly, It might track from the area of the pay phone but it probably wouldn't show a #. He could say that someone called the wrong # though.

Yes he may not have gone back to the hotel again but he had to get cleaned up somewhere, I am hoping it was the house and they have proof.
I'm thinking he cleaned up at the house. I'm really wondering why LE collected his foot prints and took measurements of his feet as part of the NTO. I don't think his hotel would have gone uncleaned until Saturday. Seems it would have been easier to find his fingerprint there in the hotel room than a foot print. JMO

[packerdog]

I'm thinking he cleaned up at the house. I'm really wondering why LE collected his foot prints and took measurements of his feet as part of the NTO. I don't think his hotel would have gone uncleaned until Saturday. Seems it would have been easier to find his fingerprint there in the hotel room than a foot print. JMO

I am sure they found shoes in his closet that would give the size of his foot so it might be that they found a footprint of his with MY blood in it. That would sure be hard to explain. From watching CSI and the like, it is very interesting how they can tell how a person walks, where they put certain pressure on the heel, toes, and so on.

I think the 2 blood spots on his vehicle might have come from the weapon he used, he probably took it with him and put it in the back seat wraped in something. It may have been a tire iron like some have thought.

[close_enough]

The cell phone would record where that call is coming from wouldn't it?

If JY did do what you suggest, then he would have had to go back to the hotel to get that cell phone. My take is that once he walked out that hotel door he never went back.

yeah, the cell phone (11:00 pm call, IF there was one) & the fact that the Hampton might have put a receipt under the door that night, have me bumfuzzled still....can't 'get around' that 11:00 pm phone call...wish i knew if there really was one :confused:

[jilly]

yeah, the cell phone (11:00 pm call, IF there was one) & the fact that the Hampton might have put a receipt under the door that night, have me bumfuzzled still....can't 'get around' that 11:00 pm phone call...wish i knew if there really was one :confused:

Back to that feeling again today that we don't know hardly anything~:(
I wonder what JY is up to - no job - or do we even know that for sure! lol. I wonder if he's going to sell the house. Boy I hope Michelle's got someone in her family to look after her interests like Laci did.

[close_enough]

Back to that feeling again today that we don't know hardly anything~:(
I wonder what JY is up to - no job - or do we even know that for sure! lol. I wonder if he's going to sell the house. Boy I hope Michelle's got someone in her family to look after her interests like Laci did.

me too:(
good point....

[PolkSaladAnnie]

That's hilarious, everytime I see his posts I picture JF too. :eek:

Heh, strach .... you got me thinking the same thing. Geez, did JF ever have his 15 minutes of fame and fortune! Not. ISP's case sure had a colourful array of bizarre characters and 'real killers' that remain embedded in our memories along with some of Geragos's enlightening statements.

Jilly, close - d'you remember my early posting days in this forum - I set a lion-sized cat among the pigeons regarding Jason's 'lost job'? I know I read that somewhere and could never find the source again (perhaps the poster/media were told to edit accordingly by Smith and co???). Ugh! Even cover-ups are being covered up.

Well, seems SOMETHING's up about his job, don't you think? Like everything to do with JY - will the truth ever come out? I'll wager, like ISP's case, that there ARE family members on his side who are thinking: "Hmmmm... not so sure about this one??"

[close_enough]

Heh, strach .... you got me thinking the same thing. Geez, did JF ever have his 15 minutes of fame and fortune! Not. ISP's case sure had a colourful array of bizarre characters and 'real killers' that remain embedded in our memories along with some of Geragos's enlightening statements.

Jilly, close - d'you remember my early posting days in this forum - I set a lion-sized cat among the pigeons regarding Jason's 'lost job'? I know I read that somewhere and could never find the source again (perhaps the poster/media were told to edit accordingly by Smith and co???). Ugh! Even cover-ups are being covered up.

Well, seems SOMETHING's up about his job, don't you think? Like everything to do with JY - will the truth ever come out? I'll wager, like ISP's case, that there ARE family members on his side who are thinking: "Hmmmm... not so sure about this one??"

if i were a bettin woman, i'd bet ChartOne has dropped him like a hot potato...not ONE of the 'insiders' has said he's out & about....other than he's staying at his sister's??...probably behind blinds, unless he needs to hit the corner Mapco, imo.....ugh, i get angry thinking about it...him not cooperating w/LE ...AT ALL?? :mad:

how many times does the sheriff have to say "we'd like to talk to him"?????

[PolkSaladAnnie]

if i were a bettin woman, i'd bet ChartOne has dropped him like a hot potato...not ONE of the 'insiders' has said he's out & about....other than he's staying at his sister's??...probably behind blinds, unless he needs to hit the corner Mapco, imo.....ugh, i get angry thinking about it...him not cooperating w/LE ...AT ALL?? :mad:

how many times does the sheriff have to say "we'd like to talk to him"?????

close, all forms gambling are banned where I am ... but I'm willing to bet on this, too. Laws of science prove something has to give sooner or later and we'll hear about it. If ChartOne dropped him - it has to be because he lied (somehow) and/or represented himself in an 'inapproriate' manner. Good companies don't want such people behind their brands...

Well, I'm going to lurk around the board and get back to my work ... :)

[jilly]

Hi Annie! :) I was reading over at CTV that according to the labor laws or whatever in NC - no reason has to be given when firing an employee. Not sure if this was if the employee was on probation but after reading this I would guess Chart One said buh bye as soon as they learned of the murder.

[MassComm]

My opinion about the mom and step-dad:

The don't think he's capable.

But even if they thought or even knew he did, they would just rationalize supporting him because they wouldn't want Cassidy to lose a father (to jail) too.

People who raise manipulators are often enablers to that bevavior.

[scandi]

How true MassComm, and by the way it is really nice to have you here. Just make yourself at home and post away. lol Scandi

[close_enough]

My opinion about the mom and step-dad:

The don't think he's capable.

But even if they thought or even knew he did, they would just rationalize supporting him because they wouldn't want Cassidy to lose a father (to jail) too.

People who raise manipulators are often enablers to that bevavior.

good point, MC....& welcome:)