Jason was out of town?

[Floh]

According to the Wake County Sheriff's Department it has been verified Jason Young was out of town in Brevard NC at the time of Michelle Young's death.

http://www.raleighchronicle.com/2006120810.html


So this means . . . ? :waitasec:


[found on CTV. Am still trying to get the server connection to the article, so don't shoot me. the poster isn't an advocate for JY, as far as i'm aware, but i've been known to be wrong.]

[Samiya]

According to the Wake County Sheriff's Department it has been verified Jason Young was out of town in Brevard NC at the time of Michelle Young's death.

http://www.raleighchronicle.com/2006120810.html


So this means . . . ? :waitasec:


[found on CTV. Am still trying to get the server connection to the article, so don't shoot me. the poster isn't an advocate for JY, as far as i'm aware, but i've been known to be wrong.]Hi Floh :)

I saw that when I read that story and posted that original link in the 'sticky media links' thread and I think there was a muck up somewhere on behalf of one reporter. I don't think the media has an official TOD for Michelle Young.

If Jason had been 'confirmed' as being in Brevard at the time of Michelle's death

1 He lied and didn't go to VA at all, instead going straight to Brevard, which means his mom and stepdaddy are covering something up.
and

2 There would've been a press release stating that he has been cleared and their investigations would have moved away from him, his SUV would've been returned along with computer hardware and everything else obtained through the warrants as they would have no further reason to hold them and his lawyer would've demanded instant return of the items....which means that we would have a new ballgame with a new ball to catch.

[Floh]

Right. i've finally managed to get the article up and it's dated November 6. sooo, clearly this was very early information being put out by media.

i was thinking yet another layer had been added, sorry. :(

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hi Floh .... thanks for putting the article up, nevertheless. Helps us see how the early reports were a little out of synch because when these things happen there's a rush to get stuff out.

BUT ... you've asked a question and it's a good place to come back and find out WHERE he was ... and IF .... he really WAS out of town.

I think he was in Raleigh, to be honest ...

[Samiya]

Right. i've finally managed to get the article up and it's dated November 6. sooo, clearly this was very early information being put out by media.


i was thinking yet another layer had been added, sorry. :(
Hi Floh,

Hey.....No need to apologise for trying to see if something you've read or heard has been confirmed :)

[Floh]

Hi Floh .... thanks for putting the article up, nevertheless. Helps us see how the early reports were a little out of synch because when these things happen there's a rush to get stuff out.

BUT ... you've asked a question and it's a good place to come back and find out WHERE he was ... and IF .... he really WAS out of town.

I think he was in Raleigh, to be honest ...

Here's the thing: no matter how many people in Raleigh itself and Michelle and Jason's family have been warned off from speaking to the media (and even posting anonymously on message boards, yes?) there are many other people who would have a stake if JY was where he said he was. people at his company; hotel/motel staff; gas station attendants; people at the place he was supposed to have the freaking appointment with in VA. any number of people who wouldn't see any point in being silenced when they would have a stab at gaining media attention for 5 minutes. you know what some people are like.

where are they? :waitasec:

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Here's the thing: no matter how many people in Raleigh itself and Michelle and Jason's family have been warned off from speaking to the media (and even posting anonymously on message boards, yes?) there are many other people who would have a stake if JY was where he said he was. people at his company; hotel/motel staff; gas station attendants; people at the place he was supposed to have the freaking appointment with in VA. any number of people who wouldn't see any point in being silenced when they would have a stab at gaining media attention for 5 minutes. you know what some people are like.

where are they? :waitasec:

I so agree with you, Floh!

I mean, over a month and the NE hasn't even bundled together some dirty linen - and they're rabid with these stories!

Incredible. Makes me feel there can be no claims of "trial by media" ... because this one has happened virtually in the dark!

Lord.

Take a look at this link - which might be apt on this thread as it's dated 9th November, lol!.

Colon Willoughby, Magistrate Wake County .... confirms JY is a suspect. The way I read it, that is. What do YOU think (or take) from this article, Floh??

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/15970691.htm

The standard form used in nontestimonial identification orders refers to the targeted person -- Young in this case -- as a suspect but does not require that the person make a statement, nor can he or she be interrogated by detectives, Willoughby said.

Hmmmmm.... ?

[Samiya]

Take a look at this link - which might be apt on this thread as it's dated 9th November, lol!.

Colon Willoughby, Magistrate Wake County .... confirms JY is a suspect. The way I read it, that is. What do YOU think (or take) from this article, Floh??

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/15970691.htm

The standard form used in nontestimonial identification orders refers to the targeted person -- Young in this case -- as a suspect but does not require that the person make a statement, nor can he or she be interrogated by detectives, Willoughby said.

Hmmmmm.... ?Info: found on internet, sheesh ages ago, when I was studying differences between Australian and US orders available to police in the solving of crimes.

Prior to the filing of a formal criminal charge against a person, an order authorizing the temporary detention of that person and compelling that person to submit to non-testimonial identification procedures for the purpose of obtaining evidence of that person's physical characteristics may be issued by a judge of the Superior Court pursuant to this Rule, on an application authorized in writing by the Attorney General or the Attorney General's designee or by the County Prosecutor or designated Assistant Prosecutor.


Grounds for Issuance

An order for investigative detention shall be issued only if the judge concludes from the application that a crime has been committed and is under active investigation and there is a reasonable and well-grounded basis from which to believe that the person sought may have committed the crime, the results of the physical characteristics obtained during the detention will significantly advance the investigation and determine whether or not the individual probably committed the crime, and the physical characteristics sought cannot otherwise practicably be obtained.



"Evidence of physical characteristics" shall include fingerprints, palm prints, footprints, physical measurements, handwriting and handprinting samples, blood samples, urine samples, saliva samples, fingernail scrapings, hair samples, photographs, voice exemplars, display of designated portions of the body, the taking of photographs, and appearance in a lineup.

[Floh]

"It's not unusual for us to get a nontestimonial identification order," Willoughby said.

This is what i think at present. i just am not sure they aren't playing it all very safe to ensure there is no chance of any technical get offs in the future should a trial happen.

i also feel what's happening is this case is very like a British case in that the media just are not allowed to write about it until it goes to trial. because those are the rules in Britain to avoid jury cointamination.

i stand back in amazement this is occurring in an American case. i simply never thought that feasable in a million. :waitasec:

[raisincharlie]

Here's the thing: no matter how many people in Raleigh itself and Michelle and Jason's family have been warned off from speaking to the media (and even posting anonymously on message boards, yes?) there are many other people who would have a stake if JY was where he said he was. people at his company; hotel/motel staff; gas station attendants; people at the place he was supposed to have the freaking appointment with in VA. any number of people who wouldn't see any point in being silenced when they would have a stab at gaining media attention for 5 minutes. you know what some people are like.

where are they? :waitasec:

Bingo Floh - where are the 15 minute famers? None to be found, maybe no one saw him, or are for sure they saw him. Not even a gas station attendent - heck you pull up insert your credit card -as long as the card is approved - the attendent isn't going to bother looking out the window or on the video screen to see you up close. Nope, no 15 minute famers - very very strange.

I'm thinking that JYs expense reports and vehicle service reports (oil changes in particular) are going to come in very handy to LE - tracked against cell phone towers - they are going to know what JY buddy was up on Thursday night...JMO

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Info: found on internet, sheesh ages ago, when I was studying differences between Australian and US orders available to police in the solving of crimes.

Prior to the filing of a formal criminal charge against a person, an order authorizing the temporary detention of that person and compelling that person to submit to non-testimonial identification procedures for the purpose of obtaining evidence of that person's physical characteristics may be issued by a judge of the Superior Court pursuant to this Rule, on an application authorized in writing by the Attorney General or the Attorney General's designee or by the County Prosecutor or designated Assistant Prosecutor.


Grounds for Issuance

An order for investigative detention shall be issued only if the judge concludes from the application that a crime has been committed and is under active investigation and there is a reasonable and well-grounded basis from which to believe that the person sought may have committed the crime, the results of the physical characteristics obtained during the detention will significantly advance the investigation and determine whether or not the individual probably committed the crime, and the physical characteristics sought cannot otherwise practicably be obtained.



"Evidence of physical characteristics" shall include fingerprints, palm prints, footprints, physical measurements, handwriting and handprinting samples, blood samples, urine samples, saliva samples, fingernail scrapings, hair samples, photographs, voice exemplars, display of designated portions of the body, the taking of photographs, and appearance in a lineup.

Awesome, Sami. Now - before the s/w were made available I remember posting "I'll be they go for body/shots" (The photogrpahic ones, not the tequila ones, lol).

Over at ctv - yesssss, graon, a rumour I believe .... is that the autopsy showed defense wounds on Michelle. IF .... IF .... this is true, then perhaps pics WERE taken of JY's bodum? For hair samples, I hope they yanked a few of the short 'n curlie-twirlies so he winced in pain - but then, that's only my own personal pondering...

So, if we follow Willoughby's comments, then actually, are we wrong to determine that LE have officially named JY as a suspect - but not verbally? In pen and ink?

Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and in this case it's spelt like a duck! :confused:

[close_enough]

Right. i've finally managed to get the article up and it's dated November 6. sooo, clearly this was very early information being put out by media.

i was thinking yet another layer had been added, sorry. :(

the article that i'm pulling up from that link shows Dec 8th, although it could have been an updated article that still had this bit still within the article.....i think most of the articles from early November stated the same thing AT FIRST.....i have no doubt that JY was heading to Brevard when Michelle's body was FOUND, but i well NEVER believe that he was in Brevard when the murdered occured.....he told a friend at the funeral he was heading to VA, & i still think that he was.....somewhere just over the state line, & made the 11 pm phone call, headed back & killed Michelle....

ya know i think it's crying shame that JY won't interview w/LE....hell, sounds like they're having to investigate his whereabouts without ANY help from him....he wants to make it hard on LE, IMO....i can't even believe that a reputable atty would tell him, DO NOT cooperate w/LE.....just boggles my mind....

[close_enough]

Awesome, Sami. Now - before the s/w were made available I remember posting "I'll be they go for body/shots" (The photogrpahic ones, not the tequila ones, lol).

Over at ctv - yesssss, graon, a rumour I believe .... is that the autopsy showed defense wounds on Michelle. IF .... IF .... this is true, then perhaps pics WERE taken of JY's bodum? For hair samples, I hope they yanked a few of the short 'n curlie-twirlies so he winced in pain - but then, that's only my own personal pondering...

So, if we follow Willoughby's comments, then actually, are we wrong to determine that LE have officially named JY as a suspect - but not verbally? In pen and ink?

Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and in this case it's spelt like a duck! :confused:

this brings up something that we all talked about early on.....if this info is factual about Michelle being struck on the head 10 times, & there were defensive wounds, you'll never make me believe that there wasn't a struggle, & most likely some yelling/screaming.....i still think there could have been enough noise during all of this, that could have possibly woke Cassie up....i still think that baby saw something....either she saw the perp beating her mother, or she woke up at SOME point & saw him just as he was 'fininshed' beating Michelle....it was brought up over at ctv, it's obvious that Cassidy was able to get out of her bed, since she was found out of it, walking around....as much as so many believe that Cassidy slept though it all, i still think there IS a possiblility that she was awaken during the murder....

[raisincharlie]

the article that i'm pulling up from that link shows Dec 8th, although it could have been an updated article that still had this bit still within the article.....i think most of the articles from early November stated the same thing AT FIRST.....i have no doubt that JY was heading to Brevard when Michelle's body was FOUND, but i well NEVER believe that he was in Brevard when the murdered occured.....he told a friend at the funeral he was heading to VA, & i still think that he was.....somewhere just over the state line, & made the 11 pm phone call, headed back & killed Michelle....

ya know i think it's crying shame that JY won't interview w/LE....hell, sounds like they're having to investigate his whereabouts without ANY help from him....he wants to make it hard on LE, IMO....i can't even believe that a reputable atty would tell him, DO NOT cooperate w/LE.....just boggles my mind....

Not to worry - LE will get it - takes longer but they will.

Actually, JY could have been very close to Brevard in the night time hours. I also think we will need additional threads for each of his special friends as they come to light. Right Frankie Bones ?

[Samiya]

this brings up something that we all talked about early on.....if this info is factual about Michelle being struck on the head 10 times, & there were defensive wounds, you'll never make me believe that there wasn't a struggle, & most likely some yelling/screaming.....i still think there could have been enough noise during all of this, that could have possibly woke Cassie up....i still think that baby saw something....either she saw the perp beating her mother, or she woke up at SOME point & saw him just as he was 'fininshed' beating Michelle....it was brought up over at ctv, it's obvious that Cassidy was able to get out of her bed, since she was found out of it, walking around....as much as so many believe that Cassidy slept though it all, i still think there IS a possiblility that she was awaken during the murder....
Yes, I got a few pm's saying no way was Cassidy awake at any time during the murder after I posted that small recording. ctv would have lots to talk about if they knew where my blog was, lmao. I tell ya though, folks are fast (and I think LE was too, lol) as that recording I put up was downloaded 31 times before I removed it not long afterwards!

[close_enough]

Yes, I got a few pm's saying no way was Cassidy awake at any time during the murder after I posted that small recording. ctv would have lots to talk about if they knew where my blog was, lmao. I tell ya though, folks are fast (and I think LE was too, lol) as that recording I put up was downloaded 31 times before I removed it not long afterwards!

there's NO WAY that ANYONE knows for sure if Cassidy was awaken that night...i think folks want to HOPE that she wasn't, but the fact remains, it IS a possibility....

[raisincharlie]

there's NO WAY that ANYONE knows for sure if Cassidy was awaken that night...i think folks want to HOPE that she wasn't, but the fact remains, it IS a possibility....
Close,

I agree, just the brief information we have suggests that this was definitely not a "quiet" crime. There was a dog in the house, I suspect the dog was aware of something not being right. The dog was "freaking out" when Meredith got there. I suspect it was also "freaking out" when the crime was committed. It is very possible the dog woke Cassidy during the event. JMO Righto Frankie Bones?

[Samiya]

Close,

I agree, just the brief information we have suggests that this was definitely not a "quiet" crime. There was a dog in the house, I suspect the dog was aware of something not being right. The dog was "freaking out" when Meredith got there. I suspect it was also "freaking out" when the crime was committed. It is very possible the dog woke Cassidy during the event. JMO Righto Frankie Bones?

Ok I'll bite......lol who is Frankie Bones.

<<Samiya, prepare for that to be a stupid question>>

**giggles**

[raisincharlie]

Ok I'll bite......lol who is Frankie Bones.

<<Samiya, prepare for that to be a stupid question>>

**giggles**
I'm just having a bit of fun with a poster who likes to cut and paste too much.:)

[Samiya]

I'm just having a bit of fun with a poster who likes to cut and paste too much.:)
lmao I just saw that person.

[otto]

there's NO WAY that ANYONE knows for sure if Cassidy was awaken that night...i think folks want to HOPE that she wasn't, but the fact remains, it IS a possibility....

check this out: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20061208/liana_white_daughter_061208/20061208?hub=Canada


"The three-year-old daughter of Liana White may have witnessed her pregnant mother's murder, the victim's mother revealed Friday in Edmonton.
<snipped>

"Did you see the blood on mommy's neck?" Ashley asked, while making a motion from her own neck downward, said Kelly.

On another occasion, after watching a male family friend cutting buns, the little girl said she would "have to go and sleep in the leaves with my mommy."

And when driving past the spot where her mother's body was discovered, the girl told a family friend "I've been here -- my daddy took me here."

Kelly also said that her grand-daughter said she was "lying in bed and she heard a noise and she got up and it was mommy on the floor."

When Kelly asked her what happened, the little girl replied: "Mommy said no more hitting, daddy, and daddy said yes, hitting."

Kelly's statement continues to say: "Ashley pounded her tummy with her fist, then went to the wall and banged her head against the wall a couple of times," and then told her "like that, grandma."

(more at link)

The grandmother has said that Ashley doesn't answer questions, but little details just come out. When asked what happened, Cassidy mentioned her daddy right away in the 911 tape. Although at first I was inclined to believe that she was mentioning her dad because he was the only other important person in her life, I now have to wonder if she wasn't trying to say something about what happened to Michelle.

[fran]

Wow! Otto, that is scary for that poor little thing. I bet she'll remember that the rest of her life.

Cassidy may have seen something, we just don't know at this point. But I'm with you, I think the 911 call might be somewhat revealing.

JMHO
fran

[raisincharlie]

check this out: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20061208/liana_white_daughter_061208/20061208?hub=Canada


<snip>
The grandmother has said that Ashley doesn't answer questions, but little details just come out. When asked what happened, Cassidy mentioned her daddy right away in the 911 tape. Although at first I was inclined to believe that she was mentioning her dad because he was the only other important person in her life, I now have to wonder if she wasn't trying to say something about what happened to Michelle.
Thanks Otto,

I, like most everyone else was hoping that this baby saw and heard nothing but logic seems to point the other way in reality. I think you are correct in your view. I have often wondered about what Cassidy said after that phone call because I recall Sheriff Harrison express his anger over the baby being left that way. I always thought that was odd - why not say he was happy the baby was unharmed ? This kind of told me that Cassidy did indeed see something and it was told to Meredith in the presence of LE. JMO

[scandi]

HI Otto, did you ever get a copy of the 911 tape. On it you can clearly hear Cassidy ask for a washcloth and Daddy did it? I'll try and email it to you if you want.

I just had a good laugh about the link starting the thread. It does not say Jason was in Bravard when Michelle was killed. It says he was in Bravard when she was found in the afternoon.

Scandi

[otto]

HI Otto, did you ever get a copy of the 911 tape. On it you can clearly hear Cassidy ask for a washcloth and Daddy did it? I'll try and email it to you if you want.

I just had a good laugh about the link starting the thread. It does not say Jason was in Bravard when Michelle was killed. It says he was in Bravard when she was found in the afternoon.

Scandi

Yes, thanks, I have a copy of the 911 tape. The only problem is that I can't seem to find a spot of time where I can play it really loud to listen carefully to what is said - I don't want anyone around here to know how interested I've become in yet another case.

I had the impression that Jason was pulling into the driveway and was told about Michelle by his step-father when he got out of the car ... where upon he collapsed to his knees on the lawn, just like the husband of Liana White. I'm beginning to think that there was a movie where the husband dropped to his knees when he learned about the death of a wife and these murderers think the knee-drop looks convincing. We still don't know the time of death, other than between midnight and 5 or 6 in the morning, and we still don't know exactly where Jason was between 10:30 the night before and 2 pm the following day - unless I missed that during the last couple of weeks?

[otto]

Thanks Otto,

I, like most everyone else was hoping that this baby saw and heard nothing but logic seems to point the other way in reality. I think you are correct in your view. I have often wondered about what Cassidy said after that phone call because I recall Sheriff Harrison express his anger over the baby being left that way. I always thought that was odd - why not say he was happy the baby was unharmed ? This kind of told me that Cassidy did indeed see something and it was told to Meredith in the presence of LE. JMO

Hearing from the grandmother about the unusual comments made by Liana's 3 year old daughter, I think that Cassidy will be making similar comments. However, as someone mentioned before, Jason will be doing everything he can to confuse her about what she saw and remembers. My guess is the only real information anyone will get is what's on the 911 tape and in the initial conversations when Michelle's body was found.

[scandi]

I totally agree Otto and don't think you've missed anything. I too have fallen for yet another case :innocent: , and think I'm going to have to go on a schedule for being here! LOL Scandi

[hollyjokers]

Bingo Floh - where are the 15 minute famers? - very very strange.


RC It's funny you brought this up when I was thinking along the same lines today. I realize it was a little bit different because Laci was missing, but her friends were very present in the media asking for information & talking about what Laci was like & showing those beautiful photographs of her constantly. It doesn't seem like there are very many pictures of Michelle circulating & the ones that are are either taken from a bit of a distance or are a little on the fuzzy side. I guess people deal with tragedy in different ways: Laci's friends became activists, Michelle's went for a spa week. I know that's not fair, but I just wish someone would turn up the heat on this guy! I mean I can understand why MM would be hesitant to use the media to draw attention to this case, but where are the other ones? They can't all have been sleeping with JY, can they?

[raisincharlie]

RC It's funny you brought this up when I was thinking along the same lines today. I realize it was a little bit different because Laci was missing, but her friends were very present in the media asking for information & talking about what Laci was like & showing those beautiful photographs of her constantly. It doesn't seem like there are very many pictures of Michelle circulating & the ones that are are either taken from a bit of a distance or are a little on the fuzzy side. I guess people deal with tragedy in different ways: Laci's friends became activists, Michelle's went for a spa week. I know that's not fair, but I just wish someone would turn up the heat on this guy! I mean I can understand why MM would be hesitant to use the media to draw attention to this case, but where are the other ones? They can't all have been sleeping with JY, can they?I don't know about the spa week thing - I "heard" with this rumor that MY was also suppose to go - but I'm not sure I buy that - all of the plane tickets siezed during the search warrant were in JYs name and with travel nowdays - you're not getting on a plane with a ticket that doesn't have your name on it. If I pay attention to the rumors - the whole group sounds more like high school girls than grown women. Me thinks some of the rumors are pure bs. JMO.

But I have to say - with all the amazing silence in this case - there is definitely something that is not right. JMO

ETA - supposedly MM and JY hooked up because of trouble in her marriage - part of which was supposedly finacial - how the heck does a broke person afford a spa weekend ?

[Floh]

Yes, thanks, I have a copy of the 911 tape. The only problem is that I can't seem to find a spot of time where I can play it really loud to listen carefully to what is said - I don't want anyone around here to know how interested I've become in yet another case.



O/T.

One word about that - earphones. :)

[scandi]

Baa Haa Haa Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :D Too Funny Floh ;)
Scandi

[Floh]

Baa Haa Haa Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :D Too Funny Floh ;)
Scandi

You may laugh, but i always have them to hand by the computer here and use them. :)

[scandi]

That's great 'cause you know what it takes to hear something really good. I turn my TV all the way down and my volume on the computer all the way up. Sometimes it gives me a start!~ :) Scandi

[panthera]

I totally agree Otto and don't think you've missed anything. I too have fallen for yet another case :innocent: , and think I'm going to have to go on a schedule for being here! LOL ScandiYou and me both ~ and I feel like I should know something more about it than I do since it's in my state, but honestly there isn't anything much being released. I haven't even heard that it's been established where Jason was hour by hour during the time frame for the murder.
:confused:

[scandi]

Hi Hollyjokers, Good to see you.

I've thought about them going for spa week anyway after Michelle's tragic death and have a little bit different thought on that. It was a planned affair and Michelle would have been a part of the group.

I'm thinking of it as a healing time for these gals who all together had known Michelle for a long time. Maybe they helped each other work through what had happened, and I'm sure they thought of her all the time and did something nice like burn a special candle in her memory.

And who knows if JY was sleeping with any of them other than MM. RPD said something like Jason had been unfaithful many times to Michelle. We'll just have to wait, as if it has any bearing on the case circumstantially, you bet we'll hear all about it!

PS: Someone here said they thought RPD was married to one of the sorority sisters. I think so too! Scandi