Man's Charred Remains Found in Chimney

[christine2448]

Very little info available. I am going to try to find out who is in charge of this case and see what they can tell us.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/christine2448/GP.jpg




Detective Revisit Cold Case (http://www.kirotv.com/news/10201605/detail.html#)
Detectives Revisit Cold Case
POSTED: 11:10 am PST October 31, 2006
UPDATED: 12:00 pm PST October 31, 2006

BELLINGHAM, Wash. -- Detectives in Whatcom County are asking for the public's help identifying a man whose charred remains were found in a chimney at Bellingham’s Georgia Pacific Plant nearly two decades ago.

[christine2448]

I watched video last night and took some notes:

This happend at a Georgia Pacific Steam Plant.

Body Discovered 1987.

Did he fall, was he pushed, suicide?

The stack he was discovered in is no longer there.

The skeleton was charred, almost completely burned.

NO wallet, no id, no keys, no usable DNA.

Possible dentals...."he had dental work with silver and gold fillings, it was not indigent dental work, it was good quality care for tha time frame of the mid 80's"

Continental Airline ticket OR baggage claim.

[christine2448]

Some more info:


He was found by a worker checking for a possible water leak.

Body was found on 9/20/87.

He is estimated @ 5'8" to 5'9", 130-155 lbs

Age guess is 20-40

He was found atop parallel pipes near the botton of the chimney.

Estimated time of entrance into chimney-coulda been a few days-coulda been a few weeks.

They found denim pants, denim jacket, lightweight shirt & rubber soled shoes. The coat was off and under the body, the shirt was drapped or wrapped around one ankle.

No missing workers reported.

No abandoned vehicle found.

The skeleton had broken legs, ankle and pelvis (they say this suggests he entered throught he top not the side hatch near the bottom)



More info (http://www.bellinghamherald.com/184/v-print/story/39675.html)

Found another article with some add'l info:

[christine2448]

More info about the chimney/smoke stack:

To get there, he had to climb three flights of stairs, or ride a conveyor belt, inside the steam plant, then exit a door onto the roof.

The chimney was 10 feet square and just more than 17 feet high, nestled close to a brick wall and some support structures. The opening on top was about 4½ feet wide. The opening wasn’t visible from the catwalk at the base of the chimney, but the lid was visible if it was up.

A person could reach the hole by using a ladder from the catwalk, or by scrambling up pipes and other handholds. Or a person could jump from a nearby roof onto a corrugated metal roof on a small structure next to the top of the chimney.

A ladder affixed to a wall went past the small structure, but the ladder had a protective metal cage, so anyone using the ladder would have had to climb outside the cage, then leap toward the top of the chimney.

[christine2448]

Just googled the address for the GP Plant West, Inc.....it's RIGHT on the border of Canada.


ETA Just got the confirmed from someone at the local paper that this is the correct addy for GA Plant. Also, she is looking to see what articles they may have.

[christine2448]

Here is something found in an article I just got via email from the lady at the paper: This man thinks the victim was a woman he toured.....but, the ME is 95% sure it's a male.....by the sound of it, maybe this woman was casing the place out??


Richard Severson still wonders if the person found inside a Georgia-Pacific chimney 19 years ago was a woman he guided through the steam plant at Western Washington University.

Odds are the victim was a man, based on a doctor's examination of the charred skeleton and on burned remnants of masculine-style clothing.

During the woman's tour of the campus plant, she asked to climb inside a boiler, and went inside an inactive boiler several times, said Severson, 77, a steam engineer who retired from Western in 1993. Partly to encourage her to leave, he mentioned the waterfront plant with boilers that's visible from campus, presuming that G-P was secure from intruders. Not long afterward, a few weeks to a few months, Severson read news reports of the skeleton's discovery.


"I still feel a little bit responsible," he said.

Robert Gibb, who studied the remains as deputy medical examiner, is confident the victim was male. His autopsy report includes numerous measurements of the intact, blackened pelvis.

Studying the pelvis is a standard way to distinguish between skeletons of men and women. A woman's pelvis is broader and lighter than a man's, with a wider pelvic cavity.

One medical authority puts the accuracy of determining sex using the pelvis at 95 percent, which does leave some margin for error.
Severson, a stout, talkative fellow who lives on Lummi Reservation, says the white woman entered the campus steam plant during the summer or early fall, because the weather was warm and a door was open.


She was wiry, perhaps 5 feet 4 inches to 5 feet 6 inches, and in her mid-30s to mid-40s, he said. She had light- to medium-brown hair that was cut short, and wore a lightweight lined windbreaker, a woven blouse, women's jeans and tennis shoes, possibly blue, he said.


She entered the steam plant and smiled, but didn't speak first, Severson recalled.


"I said, `Do you want a tour?'"


She nodded yes, so he showed her the boilers, controls and pumps on the main floor. When they came to a small boiler that was operating, she asked "Can I go in there?"


To make her convinced that the boiler was running, he lifted her up so she could see the flames through a small window.

She again said she wanted to go inside, so Severson escorted her up some stairs to an entry into an inactive boiler. Curious to see what she would do, Severson opened the door and watched as she climbed inside and huddled atop some pipes.

She got out, and then went in and out of the boiler another four to five times. He then asked her to leave.

Severson said he went to police headquarters, then in City Hall, after seeing news stories about the skeleton. He said he talked with two policemen, whom he presumed to be a detective and another officer, about the woman, but they didn't show much interest because doctors had decided the victim was a man.

[christine2448]

Can anyone think of any questions that you'd like me to ask this feller?

I am going to write him tomorrow. I have all my UID files at home and will read up again on this tonight and see what info I can get...meanwhile, anything you'd like me to ask?

Some of the things I can think of off the top of my head are:

1. Was the identity of the woman who wanted the tour ever identified?
2. Was she questioned?
3. Is there a time pinned down that the body was put/fell/whatever, in the stack?
4. I'd like to know if they will share a pic of the ticket/baggage claim found.
5. I'd like to see a list of all the belongings found with the body.

ummmmm, I need my files.

Also, I'd like to make this person aware of this, wonder if they know?

"Severson said he went to police headquarters, then in City Hall, after seeing news stories about the skeleton. He said he talked with two policemen, whom he presumed to be a detective and another officer, about the woman, but they didn't show much interest because doctors had decided the victim was a man."

I wonder if this guy could get a sketch of this lady? I think she is a clue.

Anything else??

Here is the email:

Christine - the Whatcom County Sheriffs office forwarded me your name and email address concerning your inquiry about the GP case. I am the investigator working the case and if you would like to give me a call or drop me an email, I can try to answer any questions.

[mel36]

I think that the woman was looking for the man that was missing but I am wondering if she was either a girlfriend, a sister, a friend or maybe the wife of the man that was in there, if I believed that something happened to my 'friend' or other such person that was close to me and I believed that someone at the plant were hiding something then I would have played the part as she did, she could have also been a Private Investigator. I think that maybe what ever happened to this man it may not have been the persons that worked there at that time but maybe shortly before then and they were no longer there. I don't see a woman just walking in off of the street and taking such an extensive tour for the fun of it. As far as the man that they found it sounds as if he was possibly running from someone and trying to hide possibly slipping and falling to his death, he had to have been someone that was at least familiar with the area, where the plant was and possibly the plant itself, and if he had expensive dental work done then its possible he was of an upper company position, taking into account what he was dressed in also could indicate a worker, the only problem with that is that if he was never reported missing from the area then he was from maybe an adjacent town or maybe he was a relative of someone that was working there. just some thoughts.

[itsreenw]

I said, `Do you want a tour?'"


She nodded yes, so he showed her the boilers, controls and pumps on the main floor. When they came to a small boiler that was operating, she asked "Can I go in there?"


To make her convinced that the boiler was running, he lifted her up so she could see the flames through a small window.

She again said she wanted to go inside, so Severson escorted her up some stairs to an entry into an inactive boiler. Curious to see what she would do, Severson opened the door and watched as she climbed inside and huddled atop some pipes.


Please forgive this dumb question, but what is a steam plant? This is a far stretch but would it be something that terrorists would target? Although it was in the 80s, is it possible it was someone scoping the place for some type of terrorist attack? We now know the terrorists have been using bordering countries as points of entry and we now know we have been targeted for much longer than we thought

I am more curious to know what Mr. Severson's position at the plant was and if it was common for the plant to provide such extensive, unplanned tours. It seems for safety concerns, if tours were offered they would be subject to strict guidelines. Is he still alive to answer some questions like...

Did he abandon his regular duties to give this woman a tour? How long was this tour?

Did he advise a coworker or supervisor he was not going to be at his regular work area? Did anyone else see the woman? It sounds like a big place that would have many employees.

Did he mention the woman's odd behavior to anyone at work after the tour?

Why did he assume she wanted a tour when she walked in if she didnt say anything? What was the conversation about during the tour?

Why did he feel the need to lift her up to "convince" her that the boiler was working? That couldn't have been part of a regular tour. That should've raised the eyebrows of other workers. He couldn't have been the only one to see this person if she exists.

Why would he allow her to go in and out of a boiler several times and why did he not ask her why she was so curious?

When he contacted LE, had he already told his bosses at work about this woman? Did he get reprimanded for allowing the woman access to areas that arent part of a tour?

Can you find out how extensively Severson was questioned? His story sounds way too convenient.

[mel36]

I think you nailed it itsreenw, why was he the only one who seen her and what is this guys story and another thing woud'nt he have been subject to some kind of repremand for allowing such a "tour" anybody in their right mind that has a job would'nt give a tour in such a plant. I wonder what the police asked him if anything? I agree I think that this man needs to answer some very seriouse questions. And if the police did'nt ask him questions "Why Not"?

[itsreenw]

I'm gonna dig around and see what I can find about him

[itsreenw]

During the woman's tour of the campus plant, she asked to climb inside a boiler, and went inside an inactive boiler several times, said Severson, 77, a steam engineer who retired from Western in 1993. Partly to encourage her to leave, he mentioned the waterfront plant with boilers that's visible from campus, presuming that G-P was secure from intruders. Not long afterward, a few weeks to a few months, Severson read news reports of the skeleton's discovery.

An odd statement to make... If he was concerned about intruders, how was it so easy for this woman to stroll into the plant he worked at?? Hr should have asked "How did you get in here?" instead of "do you want a tour?"

He didn't mention that to his boss so they could contact the other plant to advise them to be on the lookout for this person??

He said you could see the GP boilers from the plant he worked at. Being familiar with the layout of the plant he worked in and being able to see the other plant, he wouldve had a good idea of how to access the various entry points of the GP plant.

I wonder if he lured someone to that building for something and killed them by tossing them down the chimney. The UID's coat was underneath them and the shirt was around his ankle. Sounds like he was possibly trying to block the heat from coming through the vented areas between the parallel poles he landed on.

[itsreenw]

Here is a link to the complete article containing the info above plus more.

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/184/story/39675.html

The 2 sketches were done yrs apart by different artists. It also states the UID had no keys, tools, wallet, etc and the baggage claim ticket was too charred to get the numbers from it. This gives me the idea he had just flown in from somewhere if he had that claim ticket still tucked in his pocket. Sounds like the other items were removed before he was tossed down the chimney. Maybe the ticket was in the little coin pocket found in most jeans and was overlooked. I don't think the man went into the chimney on his own. I think he was pushed in.

I recall reading about a man that was flying out west to do a drug deal (marijuana) in the late 80s and never made it back. He was in his 20s. Gotta think of what state he was coming from.

The article also gives the hours the chimney was in operation prior to the discovery of the body.

[itsreenw]

This link tells of many problems within the plant prior to the body being found including several job cuts in August 1987, fines for polluting, evacuations, health risks, possible relocation, etc...

The man could have been a whistleblower.

Link:
http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~ccfriday/waterfront/clippings.htm

[reb]

if sketches are accurate, the man looks like he could have been native american to me, and it's consistent with the area...

[christine2448]

Please forgive this dumb question, but what is a steam plant? I don't know if this tells what the 'steam plant' is, but this is what the GP place is.

http://www.ecy.wa.gov/programs/swfa/industrial/pulp_Georgia.html

http://www.lni.wa.gov/Safety/Topics/AtoZ/VPP/vpp-GPBellingham.asp

[christine2448]

I think that the woman was looking for the man that was missing but I am wondering if she was either a girlfriend, a sister, a friend or maybe the wife of the man that was in there, if I believed that something happened to my 'friend' or other such person that was close to me and I believed that someone at the plant were hiding something then I would have played the part as she did, she could have also been a Private Investigator. I think that maybe what ever happened to this man it may not have been the persons that worked there at that time but maybe shortly before then and they were no longer there. I don't see a woman just walking in off of the street and taking such an extensive tour for the fun of it. As far as the man that they found it sounds as if he was possibly running from someone and trying to hide possibly slipping and falling to his death, he had to have been someone that was at least familiar with the area, where the plant was and possibly the plant itself, and if he had expensive dental work done then its possible he was of an upper company position, taking into account what he was dressed in also could indicate a worker, the only problem with that is that if he was never reported missing from the area then he was from maybe an adjacent town or maybe he was a relative of someone that was working there. just some thoughts.
All great thoughts and theories...I am printing out what you all posted last night to see if I can pull more questions out of all of your thoughts and email LE this morning.

Thanks everyone for your interest!

[christine2448]

Richard Severson still wonders if the person found inside a Georgia-Pacific chimney 19 years ago was a woman he guided through the steam plant at Western Washington University.
IIRC, somewhere it tells this smoke stack is now gone.


Why does it say this here?

I just googled what I have bolded:


The Steam Plant runs a 24 hour per day 365 days per year operation that provides the steam for space heat and hot water for the majority of the central campus facilities along with central compressed air systems used for academic labs and building control systems. This operation is housed in the Steam Plant Building and consists of 5 natural gas fired boilers with a combined capacity to generate 253 thousand pounds of steam per hour.
Steam Plant Chief Engineer, Paul Hughes
http://www.wwu.edu/depts/fm/Services/Operations/Utility/SteamPlant.html


So, is the GP Plant and this Western whatever the same thing?

[christine2448]

I am more curious to know what Mr. Severson's position at the plant was .
Lots of questions itsreenw, thanks...this one I can answer, he was a steam engineer who retired 1993.

[christine2448]

I directed the lead investigator here to read all questions..I will let you know what I get for response.


A few more things popping in my mind:

How old was Severson at the time of this incident?

Who has been eliminated as potential matches to this UID to date?

Has a composite sketch been done of the mystery woman and televised? If not, can it be done?

Do they have a list of dentists that have already been ruled out as caring for this fellow?

[christine2448]

I recall reading about a man that was flying out west to do a drug deal (marijuana) in the late 80s and never made it back. He was in his 20s. Gotta think of what state he was coming from.


We should find this.

[itsreenw]

Severson said he went to police headquarters, then in City Hall, after seeing news stories about the skeleton. He said he talked with two policemen, whom he presumed to be a detective and another officer, about the woman, but they didn't show much interest because doctors had decided the victim was a man.Mr. Severson was no stranger to the police or city hall according to King County, WA court records (note there is a "Jr" that may be his son:




http://dw.courts.wa.gov/images/spacer.gif




Name /
ParticipantCourt Case Number File/Violation
Date Case Type /
Cause Code 1Severson, Richard
Judgment Creditor (http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.casesummary&crt_itl_nu=S17&casenumber=91-9-24662-4&searchtype=sName)King Co Superior Ct 91-9-24662-4 11-19-1991Judgment
GEN RECOVERY2Severson, Richard
Judgment Debtor (http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.casesummary&crt_itl_nu=S17&casenumber=97-9-09357-6&searchtype=sName)King Co Superior Ct 97-9-09357-6 04-29-1997Judgment
TAX WARRANT3Severson, Richard
Judgment Debtor (http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.casesummary&crt_itl_nu=S17&casenumber=98-9-05222-3&searchtype=sName)King Co Superior Ct 98-9-05222-3 04-02-1998Judgment
TAX WARRANT4Severson, Richard
Plaintiff King Co Superior Ct 91-2-25854-6 11-19-1991Civil
UNLAW DETAIN5Severson, Richard
King Co Superior Ct 97-2-10128-0 04-29-1997Civil
TAX WARRANT6Severson, Richard
King Co Superior Ct 98-2-05616-9 04-02-1998Civil
TAX WARRANT7Severson, Richard D Jr
Defendant Kcdc-so Div (auk) K00107427 12-29-1989Criminal Traffic
8Severson, Richard D Jr
Defendant Fife Municipal C00013248 11-05-2001Criminal Traffic
9Severson, Richard D Jr
Defendant Kcdc-so Div (swd) IS70323KC 11-14-2003Infraction Traffic
10Severson, Richard D Jr
Defendant Milton Municipal I00014263 03-22-2004Infraction Traffic
11Severson, Richard D Jr
Defendant Kcdc-east Div (ned) 83751/K 11-04-1987Criminal Traffic
12Severson, Richard D Jr
Defendant Federal Way Muni CA0013290 03-16-2000Criminal Non-Traffic
13Severson, Richard Dean Jr
Petitioner Pierce Co District 6Y612243A 12-08-2006Civil
Harassment14Severson, Richard Dean Jr
Defendant Pierce Co District 6YC010881 11-27-2006Criminal Non-Traffic
15Severson, Richard Dean Jr
Defendant Milton Municipal C00007857 03-22-2004Criminal Traffic
16Severson, Richard Ex6-20
Defendant (http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.casesummary&crt_itl_nu=S06&casenumber=94-1-00001-2&searchtype=sName)Clark Superior 94-1-00001-2 01-03-1994Criminal
17Severson, Richard Henry
Defendant Clark County Dist 940255 06-23-1994Criminal Non-Traffic
18Severson, Richard Henry
Defendant Clark County Dist 12399 12-09-1996Criminal Traffic
19Severson, Richard Henry
Respondent Clark Superior 93-3-01441-1 08-30-1993Domestic
DIS W/CHILD20Severson, Richard M
Petitioner Pierce Co Superior -3-62361- 01-13-1978Domestic
DISSOLUTION21Severson, Richard M
Plaintiff Pierce Co Superior 97-2-04668-3 01-08-1997Civil
TORT MTR VEH22Severson, Richard M.
Judgment Debtor (http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.casesummary&crt_itl_nu=S27&casenumber=85-9-02345-6&searchtype=sName)Pierce Co Superior 85-9-02345-6 05-10-1985Judgment
GEN RECOVERY23Severson, Richard Mckinley
Defendant Skagit County Dist 14807 06-13-1990Criminal Non-Traffic
24Severson, Richard Mckinley
Defendant Skagit County Dist 5848538 03-16-1990Criminal Traffic
25Severson, Richard R
Defendant Clark County Dist 7029178 07-22-1992Infraction Traffic
26Severson, Richard R
Defendant Clark County Dist 7339622 04-15-1993Criminal Traffic

[Shadow205]

OK, it is probably way to early in the morning for me to be poting anything but here goes. The ME is 95% sure that the UID is a male. How sure is Severson that the "woman" that he gave a tour was really a female? My gut feeling is that the person who was so interested is the same who was found dead in the chimney.

[christine2448]

Mr. Severson was no stranger to the police or city hall according to King County, WA court records (note there is a "Jr" that may be his son:


Jeesh. Good work! Wow, that's a lota stuff!

[mel36]

Even though the last name is the same are you sure this is the same person for all of these some of the names are different. Just want to be sure we are not looking at a couple different people here.

Mr. Severson was no stranger to the police or city hall according to King County, WA court records (note there is a "Jr" that may be his son:




http://dw.courts.wa.gov/images/spacer.gif




Name /
ParticipantCourt Case Number File/Violation
Date Case Type /
Cause Code 1Severson, Richard
Judgment Creditor (http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.casesummary&crt_itl_nu=S17&casenumber=91-9-24662-4&searchtype=sName)King Co Superior Ct 91-9-24662-4 11-19-1991Judgment
GEN RECOVERY2Severson, Richard
Judgment Debtor (http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.casesummary&crt_itl_nu=S17&casenumber=97-9-09357-6&searchtype=sName)King Co Superior Ct 97-9-09357-6 04-29-1997Judgment
TAX WARRANT3Severson, Richard
Judgment Debtor (http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.casesummary&crt_itl_nu=S17&casenumber=98-9-05222-3&searchtype=sName)King Co Superior Ct 98-9-05222-3 04-02-1998Judgment
TAX WARRANT4Severson, Richard
Plaintiff King Co Superior Ct 91-2-25854-6 11-19-1991Civil
UNLAW DETAIN5Severson, Richard
King Co Superior Ct 97-2-10128-0 04-29-1997Civil
TAX WARRANT6Severson, Richard
King Co Superior Ct 98-2-05616-9 04-02-1998Civil
TAX WARRANT7Severson, Richard D Jr
Defendant Kcdc-so Div (auk) K00107427 12-29-1989Criminal Traffic
8Severson, Richard D Jr
Defendant Fife Municipal C00013248 11-05-2001Criminal Traffic
9Severson, Richard D Jr
Defendant Kcdc-so Div (swd) IS70323KC 11-14-2003Infraction Traffic
10Severson, Richard D Jr
Defendant Milton Municipal I00014263 03-22-2004Infraction Traffic
11Severson, Richard D Jr
Defendant Kcdc-east Div (ned) 83751/K 11-04-1987Criminal Traffic
12Severson, Richard D Jr
Defendant Federal Way Muni CA0013290 03-16-2000Criminal Non-Traffic
13Severson, Richard Dean Jr
Petitioner Pierce Co District 6Y612243A 12-08-2006Civil
Harassment14Severson, Richard Dean Jr
Defendant Pierce Co District 6YC010881 11-27-2006Criminal Non-Traffic
15Severson, Richard Dean Jr
Defendant Milton Municipal C00007857 03-22-2004Criminal Traffic
16Severson, Richard Ex6-20
Defendant (http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.casesummary&crt_itl_nu=S06&casenumber=94-1-00001-2&searchtype=sName)Clark Superior 94-1-00001-2 01-03-1994Criminal
17Severson, Richard Henry
Defendant Clark County Dist 940255 06-23-1994Criminal Non-Traffic
18Severson, Richard Henry
Defendant Clark County Dist 12399 12-09-1996Criminal Traffic
19Severson, Richard Henry
Respondent Clark Superior 93-3-01441-1 08-30-1993Domestic
DIS W/CHILD20Severson, Richard M
Petitioner Pierce Co Superior -3-62361- 01-13-1978Domestic
DISSOLUTION21Severson, Richard M
Plaintiff Pierce Co Superior 97-2-04668-3 01-08-1997Civil
TORT MTR VEH22Severson, Richard M.
Judgment Debtor (http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.casesummary&crt_itl_nu=S27&casenumber=85-9-02345-6&searchtype=sName)Pierce Co Superior 85-9-02345-6 05-10-1985Judgment
GEN RECOVERY23Severson, Richard Mckinley
Defendant Skagit County Dist 14807 06-13-1990Criminal Non-Traffic
24Severson, Richard Mckinley
Defendant Skagit County Dist 5848538 03-16-1990Criminal Traffic
25Severson, Richard R
Defendant Clark County Dist 7029178 07-22-1992Infraction Traffic
26Severson, Richard R
Defendant Clark County Dist 7339622 04-15-1993Criminal Traffic

[christine2448]

Even though the last name is the same are you sure this is the same person for all of these some of the names are different. Just want to be sure we are not looking at a couple different people here.
You are correct, there is a Dean, a Henry, an M, an R, and Mckenzie, or somethin, which could be the same as M.

I am not sure which ours is, I'm thinking H or Henry...just looked back and I don't believe we know. I will email and see if I can find out Seversons whole name :)

[itsreenw]

You were right. It is "H"



SEVERSON, RICHARD H (http://www.people-finders.ws/order.asp?1=RICHARD;;H;;SEVERSON;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; 249559925;;&2=name&3=people&4=21&5=richard;;;;severson;;;;wa;;;;;;;;)77 AvailableAvailable(2)AvailableBELLINGHAM, WASEVERSON, CLARA E (age 75) (http://www.people-finders.ws/order.asp?1=CLARA;;E;;SEVERSON;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;24 9560375&2=name&3=people&4=1&5=richard;;;;severson;;;;wa;;;;;;;;)
SEVERSON, STANLEY R (age 46) (http://www.people-finders.ws/order.asp?1=STANLEY;;R;;SEVERSON;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; 1034212376&2=name&3=people&4=1&5=richard;;;;severson;;;;wa;;;;;;;;)
SEVERSON, CONSTANCE M (age 34) (http://www.people-finders.ws/order.asp?1=CONSTANCE;;M;;SEVERSON;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;1034212366&2=name&3=people&4=1&5=richard;;;;severson;;;;wa;;;;;;;;)

[MacPlus512]

Here's a thought that may be a bit of a change-up, but one that I'm thinking after reading this...

Could the woman have possibly been assiting someone in suicide? For example, if she had a husband, brother, friend, etc. who was contemplating it, they would have sent her to get the details? And she could have passed them on to this mystery man, perhaps.

Any list of missing men, and just to go with the "remains are actually a woman" thought, missing women from the area?

[itsreenw]

I don't think there ever was a woman, man or dog that requested a tour. Mr. Severson only went to LE with that story after the body was found. He said they seemed uninterested in his story. After almost 20 yrs he remembered exactly what the woman was wearing but not the officer's names that he spoke to?? That sounds like a rehearsed story but I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.


He is 77 now, I have been looking for retirees of the plant that worked there at the time the body was discovered to verify whether Severson mentioned the woman to anyone PRIOR to the body being located. It just sounds too convenient. Like he was trying to explain away that body.

[itsreenw]

I directed the lead investigator here to read all questions..I will let you know what I get for response.


A few more things popping in my mind:

How old was Severson at the time of this incident?

Who has been eliminated as potential matches to this UID to date?

Has a composite sketch been done of the mystery woman and televised? If not, can it be done?

Do they have a list of dentists that have already been ruled out as caring for this fellow?He would have been 58 at the time.

I think the only match they thought they found was a man from Canada but there were no dentals to match so they couldn't rule him in or out.

I doubt a composite was ever done since Severson seems to be the only one that saw her and he said the 2 LE officers he spoke to (no names given) didn't seem interested because the ME was sure it was a man.

Good question about the dentists in the area. He must've had a good dental benefit plan. Maybe someone in the union??? The plants were unionized. (Is that a word?)

I searched the Doe Network last night for the yrs 1977 to 1987 in all states. Nothing close.

I dont know if Severson is a common last name but I did a search for WA and there are a few with criminal convictions ranging from assault to drug charges. One female Severson is named as an informant in a drug case. So much for anonymity. I was wondering if maybe one of the younger Severson's got themselves in trouble and asked Richard to help dispose of the body at the plant. He seems almost like he wants to clear his name before he even needs to. The story about the tour just doesn't sit right with me.

[itsreenw]

I found a document. It appears to be from Sumas Energy in response to a letter from Severson. No idea what it was regarding


http://www.efsec.wa.gov/Sumas2/eis/seis/seisappb/USR11 Final Response.pdf

[christine2448]

Excellent posts, researching, ideas!


I have too searched missing, US and Canada trying to find a match, ...I had a couple poss. if IIRC, My files are at home today, will try to go through them am and update asap. Busy weekend coming for us.

[christine2448]

I found a document. It appears to be from Sumas Energy in response to a letter from Severson. No idea what it was regarding


http://www.efsec.wa.gov/Sumas2/eis/seis/seisappb/USR11 Final Response.pdf
Can't get the link to work, says Sorry! The file you have requested has moved or is not available on our server.

[christine2448]

Rec'd a couple of emails from detective..for update on case see here (http://************.xpt.net/index.php?showtopic=478&st=0&#entry2453)

[itsreenw]

Can't get the link to work, says Sorry! The file you have requested has moved or is not available on our server.I can't open it now either.:confused:

[Valiant]

http://www.efsec.wa.gov/Sumas2/eis/seis/seisappb/USR11 Final Response.pdf

It works if you copy the entire line and paste it in your browser. It does not work if you click on it because the whole link is not highlighted. Maybe this link will work better.

[christine2448]

More information given by detective, see here (http://************.xpt.net/index.php?showtopic=478&st=15&hl=)



and what I intend to do (from my last email sent to him)

My thinking on the dentists was that we could send the composite out to them...maybe someone would recognize him. I think we will work on this....as long as that is OK with you.

Also, another avenue I am looking at is finding out what cities flew in and out of that area during this time and getting a media packet together and trying to get this story on some local news stations of cities that this person could be from...what do you think?

I have also included him on my MySpace and will be doing a blog and bulletin, which reaches thousands. You can see my MySpace page here
http://www.myspace.com/do_u_recognize_me (http://www.myspace.com/do_u_recognize_me)

Lastly, do you have list (that can be emailed or faxed) of all missing that have already been ruled out? So many agencies do NOT report their missing to national databases or web databases and we may want to use the same list of cities we find he could have traveled from and get on the phones and ask for their missing lists?

Once I get his responses, may need some volunteers :)