Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother Part 6

[Samiya]

:) New thread.

lol pop up said my message was too short so bla blah blah :)

[raisincharlie]

This does not relate to the MY case however it does show that cheating husbands do indeed sometimes plan and the mistress sometimes is the killer.


http://www.wral.com/news/10512235/detail.html

IMO - he wanted rid of both of them - he just didn't count on her spilling the beans.

[panthera]

This does not relate to the MY case however it does show that cheating husbands do indeed sometimes plan and the mistress sometimes is the killer.


http://www.wral.com/news/10512235/detail.html

IMO - he wanted rid of both of them - he just didn't count on her spilling the beans.Yes, I caught that on the news tonight. In the Young case, maybe the "second Michelle's" husband should be just a little nervous right now...:D

[scandi]

. . .yes, Panthera LOL you are implying Mr Money would have what motive to kill Jason's wife? Interesting. Scandi

[panthera]

. . .yes, Panthera LOL you are implying Mr Money would have what motive to kill Jason's wife? Interesting. ScandiNo that isn't what I meant! :doh: Rather that Mr. Money may be fearful that he'll be the next victim...assuming of course that JY and MM were co-conspirators to get rid of MY.

(Note to self: do not attempt to post and prepare dinner simultaneously :) )

[Taximom]

That link says the crime happened in Rocky Mount, NC. First of all, what the hey is going on in NC?!

Secondly, Rocky Mount is where they've just announced that missing retired couple has been found. I mean, their car was found in a swamp there. Looks like an accident and they are both dead. :(

[scandi]

LOL That makes sense Panthera. I feel so sorry for that guy having learned about his wife's indiscretion from LE in the middle of a murder investigtion!

[otto]

LOL That makes sense Panthera. I feel so sorry for that guy having learned about his wife's indiscretion from LE in the middle of a murder investigtion!

I really want to know more about MM. Am I correct in that she has a 2 year old, a husband named Steve, completed a basic teaching degree but may not be teaching levels higher than grade 2, that she and Jason started something about 3 months ago, that she was still living with her husband when this news broke, she used to live in Raleigh, there were marital problems, that she has known Michelle for a long time???

[panthera]

That link says the crime happened in Rocky Mount, NC. First of all, what the hey is going on in NC?!

Secondly, Rocky Mount is where they've just announced that missing retired couple has been found. I mean, their car was found in a swamp there. Looks like an accident and they are both dead. :(I don't know what's going on here...but I don't like it either!
Hopefully, the incident with the couple who were just found in their car was an accident and nothing more...:(

[panthera]

I really want to know more about MM. Am I correct in that she has a 2 year old, a husband named Steve, completed a basic teaching degree but may not be teaching levels higher than grade 2, that she and Jason started something about 3 months ago, that she was still living with her husband when this news broke, she used to live in Raleigh, there were marital problems, that she has known Michelle for a long time???You already know quite a bit about her! Yes to all you've posted and she currently lives in Florida, and Michelle Young and she were 'sorority sisters'.

[scandi]

Otto, Everything you said I have heard except " . .that she was still living with her husband when this news broke, she used to live in Raleigh ."

I know she had moved to and was living in Fl in October when Jason took a trip to Orlando and was at her house acc to RPD, so I think she was living in Florida at the time of the murder. Scandi

[close_enough]

That link says the crime happened in Rocky Mount, NC. First of all, what the hey is going on in NC?!

Secondly, Rocky Mount is where they've just announced that missing retired couple has been found. I mean, their car was found in a swamp there. Looks like an accident and they are both dead. :(


ooohh, i was wondering about this:(
just got home & eating a little supper here...catching up

[close_enough]

well, was hoping there would be something new....

maybe tomorrow?

[strach304]

:laugh: I really want to know more about MM. Am I correct in that she has a 2 year old, a husband named Steve, completed a basic teaching degree but may not be teaching levels higher than grade 2, that she and Jason started something about 3 months ago, that she was still living with her husband when this news broke, she used to live in Raleigh, there were marital problems, that she has known Michelle for a long time???

You said that all in one breath? I think she's now teaching math part-time at Valencia Community College.

[Samiya]

:laugh:

You said that all in one breath? I think she's now teaching math part-time at Valencia Community College.lmao it was a long sentence....Otto you still breathing honey? :grin:

[raisincharlie]

So Samiya - any budgie birds around your location ? I recently read an article on them and their ability to mimic human language, almost as good as Indian Mynahs...send a few this way will you so I have someone to talk to...:dance:

[AlwaysShocked]

Where did the story come from of Michelle Money going on a spa trip? Who was she with, etc.? Also, where did the info that she and JY had only had sex once come from?

[raisincharlie]

Where did the story come from of Michelle Money going on a spa trip? Who was she with, etc.? Also, where did the info that she and JY had only had sex once come from?This, the spa trip, one time sex, all comes from a poster at CTV who supposedly has some connection to one of the sorority sisters. At this point none of it is substantiated - could be true, could be smoke. Not sure it matters anyway as the spa trip was well after MY was murdered and sex one time with your good friend's husband is still wrong, IMO.

ETA - the spa trip was supposedly long planned by the sorority sisters and MY was supposed to have attended.

[scandi]

Hey Charlie, Reading at CTV I ran across ths statement that I have never read.
"Yes Toby the interview with the Sheriff said the preliminary autopsy showed estimated TOD to be between 12-6am . ." I don't know how I missed the Sheriff discussing the TOD!

Scandi

[raisincharlie]

I'm curious as to how you fellow sleuthers interpret this, does it indicate anything to you with respect to the time JY left his home?


http://www.newsobserver.com/141/story/511581.html

"Jason Young has said he slipped out that evening to get a head start for an early morning sales meeting in Virginia, according to Fussell, who said he talked to Jason Young at his wife's funeral.
Michelle Young stayed behind with Cassidy; a girlfriend came over to watch TV with her, the friend told Fussell. Cassidy popped in a DVD of "Cinderella" -- a Halloween gift -- and watched until she fell fast asleep."

[raisincharlie]

Hey Charlie, Reading at CTV I ran across ths statement that I have never read.
"Yes Toby the interview with the Sheriff said the preliminary autopsy showed estimated TOD to be between 12-6am . ." I don't know how I missed the Sheriff discussing the TOD!

Scandi
I don't recall hearing the Sheriff indicating specifically that the TOD was between those hours either. I'll check the media thread but I don't think it refers to TOD. Since those are the hours for which LE were seeking help about vehicles in the neighborhood, it seems reasonable to assume TOD was estimated to be within that range. Will look.

I keep thinking about Dyleski - LE was seeking information between noon and 3 pm - the deed happend at 10:12 am...remember ?

[PolkSaladAnnie]

No that isn't what I meant! :doh: Rather that Mr. Money may be fearful that he'll be the next victim...assuming of course that JY and MM were co-conspirators to get rid of MY.

(Note to self: do not attempt to post and prepare dinner simultaneously :) )

Lol, panthera ... that's what I thought!

(I'd be concerned .... and I would NOT stay in the marriage...). This is major serious .... it's not a mild matter like a one-night stand after a row or series of minor marriage probs. This is HUGE and for NO-ONE to know - you have to ask if MM was lying about the apparent 'probs' in her marriage. To put together a well carved wooden story that floats .... er, ... shal we say takes alot of screws...??? ;)

[scandi]

I'm thinking that says first that he left before the friend came over, as Michelle 'stayed behind'.

It also says to me his meeting was in the 'early' morning, so if he wanted a decent nights sleep to feel fresh in the morning, say going to bed at 11pm, he would have left with enough time to drive there, cheked in, got settled and hit the sack.

This tells me 8 - 8:30. The friend would have arrived at least 1/2 hour before the show started at 9pm. Scandi

[PolkSaladAnnie]

:) New thread.

lol pop up said my message was too short so bla blah blah :)

Thanks Sam! The other was getting a wee bit loooooooo--------->ong.

:)

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I'm curious as to how you fellow sleuthers interpret this, does it indicate anything to you with respect to the time JY left his home?


http://www.newsobserver.com/141/story/511581.html

"Jason Young has said he slipped out that evening to get a head start for an early morning sales meeting in Virginia, according to Fussell, who said he talked to Jason Young at his wife's funeral.
Michelle Young stayed behind with Cassidy; a girlfriend came over to watch TV with her, the friend told Fussell. Cassidy popped in a DVD of "Cinderella" -- a Halloween gift -- and watched until she fell fast asleep."

OK ... thanks charlie ... love your cryptic posts!!!

1. Cassie popped in a DVD. If there were 2 televisions - then we might assume she popped in the DVD around the time the friends sat to watch GA.

2. If Cassie popped in the DVD before GA ... then we have to allow about --- say 30 - 40 mins for Cassie to nod off.... and during that time, light chatter may have taken place with friends.

If the latter is the case, I'd ASSUME ... that JY would have said bye to Cassie, etc. We'd also ASSUME the friends were there to know Cassie put the DVD on to have qualified this (unless that's what JY told Rhett).

Sooo ... I'd say friends gathhered by around 8 - 8:30 pm for a mini social-settle-in period. In my opinion ... JY may have hung around to ensure he was seen leaving as opposed to 'reportedly' leaving.... and would have left before GA so as not to distract the object of the evening. It's possible he waited until Cassie had fallen asleep and was carried off to bed - then made his goodbyes.

So - my guess is he left around 9 or shortly after....

Right ... Team B ??? Your turn, lol :D

[raisincharlie]

Hey Charlie, Reading at CTV I ran across ths statement that I have never read.
"Yes Toby the interview with the Sheriff said the preliminary autopsy showed estimated TOD to be between 12-6am . ." I don't know how I missed the Sheriff discussing the TOD!

Scandi
Scandi,

I can guess who said it, doesn't matter but... I 've checked the videos again and I can tell you at no time does Sheriff Harrison state TOD to be between 12 - 6 am in the videos. In the print media it is written this way:

"A preliminary autopsy report indicates that Young, who was about 20 weeks pregnant, died from blunt force trauma, but Harrison would not say where she was hit or how many times she was hit. He said he did not immediately know how long she had been dead before her body was found."

http://www.wral.com/news/10246259/detail.html

Me thinks everyone is assuming TOD equals the 12-6 am time period because that is the time period that the Sheriff has requested information on with respect to vehicles and what not in the area. My guess - this statement is an assumtion based on the above. Like I previously mentioned - because LE lists a time - doesn't mean that is when it happened.

[raisincharlie]

I'm thinking that says first that he left before the friend came over, as Michelle 'stayed behind'.

It also says to me his meeting was in the 'early' morning, so if he wanted a decent nights sleep to feel fresh in the morning, say going to bed at 11pm, he would have left with enough time to drive there, cheked in, got settled and hit the sack.

This tells me 8 - 8:30. The friend would have arrived at least 1/2 hour before the show started at 9pm. Scandi
Me too - JY left before the friend got there - the friend did not see him leave and cannot say what he wore or give any indication about his demeanor that evening. Honestly though, my wife and I discussed this, when the boys were that age 2-1/2, they were usually well asleep before 8 pm. Something just keeps telling me JY left at 6 to 7 pm. Or, as might be the case, the article is poorly constructed and my imagination has the best of me again. :)

[raisincharlie]

OK ... thanks charlie ... love your cryptic posts!!!

1. Cassie popped in a DVD. If there were 2 televisions - then we might assume she popped in the DVD around the time the friends sat to watch GA.

2. If Cassie popped in the DVD before GA ... then we have to allow about --- say 30 - 40 mins for Cassie to nod off.... and during that time, light chatter may have taken place with friends.

If the latter is the case, I'd ASSUME ... that JY would have said bye to Cassie, etc. We'd also ASSUME the friends were there to know Cassie put the DVD on to have qualified this (unless that's what JY told Rhett).

Sooo ... I'd say friends gathhered by around 8 - 8:30 pm for a mini social-settle-in period. In my opinion ... JY may have hung around to ensure he was seen leaving as opposed to 'reportedly' leaving.... and would have left before GA so as not to distract the object of the evening. It's possible he waited until Cassie had fallen asleep and was carried off to bed - then made his goodbyes.

So - my guess is he left around 9 or shortly after....

Right ... Team B ??? Your turn, lol :D
Morning PSA !

Didn't mean to be cryptic - just didn't want to pollute anyone's thought process. I just don't know, I just have this feeling he left much earlier. I can't tell you why I think that because I don't really know, something is gnawing at me and I just can't put a finger on it. Puzzling... I just have this feeling he really didn't want to be seen period.

[scandi]

I just read a posters thought about the word 'slipped' at CTV, and I had wondered about that too Charlie. Slipped infers something sneaky and quick-like in my mind too, and am wondering if that word being used was a proverbial slip of the tongue on the part of Mr, Fussell. {of course pun intended ;} Isn't Mr Fussell the friend who mentioned all the suitcases Jason took with him when he left that evening? I could see him leaving around 7. However whenever our family had company we got to stay up a bit later. ;}

Scandi

[raisincharlie]

I just read a posters thought about the word 'slipped' at CTV, and I had wondered about that too Charlie. Slipped infers something sneaky and quick-like in my mind too, and am wondering if that word being used was a proverbial slip of the tongue on the part of Mr, Fussell. {of course pun intended ;} Isn't Mr Fussell the friend who mentioned all the suitcases Jason took with him when he left that evening? I could see him leaving around 7. However whenever our family had company we got to stay up a bit later. ;}

ScandiSlipped away is an interesting way of putting it no doubt. Tends to indicate no attention was wanted, as in quietly disappear. As for the suitcases, I don't know how Fussell would know - he wasn't there and for some reason I don't think JY would tell him at a funeral that he took several suitcases with him when he slipped away. I find it incredibly odd that JY would even tell him he was in VA at the funeral - unless of course it was a CYA thing. Just doesn't seem like a funeral type of conversation to me. I think the number of suitcases is again a figment of someone's imagination because I sure don't recall it in any of the articles. JMO

ETA - the funeral videos make it look like it is all JY can do to just walk, let alone talk, head all hung down and needing his Mom to hold him up...fake fake fake IMO.

[Mygirlsadie]

Here is another Rocky Mt. NC tragedy that happened over the weekend as well. http://www.wral.com/news/10502066/detail.html

(Mistress murders wife) Not to throw the topic off of Michelle Young just thought it was a little ironic what all has been going on in that neck of the woods lately.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hey Charlie, Reading at CTV I ran across ths statement that I have never read.
"Yes Toby the interview with the Sheriff said the preliminary autopsy showed estimated TOD to be between 12-6am . ." I don't know how I missed the Sheriff discussing the TOD!

Scandi



Thanks, scandi ... I remain on my month-long mission that MY may have been murdered closer to 04:00 ish - but then there are really 6 hours to tween the sheriff's time-scale to consider this. ( lol, close is going to through a cream-pie on my head for repeatedly saying this, lolllll. But I do feel that MY was killed around then. :D)

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Morning PSA !

Didn't mean to be cryptic - just didn't want to pollute anyone's thought process. I just don't know, I just have this feeling he left much earlier. I can't tell you why I think that because I don't really know, something is gnawing at me and I just can't put a finger on it. Puzzling... I just have this feeling he really didn't want to be seen period.

G'evening to you, lol .... Nooooo, silly, I don't mean YOU are being cryptic :slap: ... I mean I so love the angles and new dimensions you bring in.... great food for thought. Said it before and will say it again: Mr & Mrs W/S for 2006? IMO raisincharlie & scandi :clap: ... and I BET many others concur!

One of the main things that may have blurred our vision stems from the early CAMPAIGN the Jasonites embarked upon. Many of these posts have been taken as fact - like the 11 pm call ... and witnesses seeing him depart.

So - we're left to consider all options, LOL - which is why we're all here!


Polk :)

[otto]

You already know quite a bit about her! Yes to all you've posted and she currently lives in Florida, and Michelle Young and she were 'sorority sisters'.

Panthera and Scandi, thanks. I wonder if MM wasn't a bit jealous of Michelle's success and wasn't maybe one of those women that pride themselves in being able to take a husband away from a woman that she thinks 'has it all'. If seducing Michelle's husband was just a bit of a feather in her cap, then for me it makes sense that she was completely oblivious to her role in the sequence of events. What really strikes me as completely off is that she's making the scrap book for Cassidy. It's like she is playing a little game and doesn't understand how her interference in the marriage may have played a part in this murder. At least with Amber Frey, we could believe that she didn't 'really' know that Scott was married so she couldn't really have been a malicious home wrecker. MM is a completely different situation. Did she really think it was all fun and games, only to make a little scrapbook for Cassidy when her mom is brutally murdered? It just seems like MM is not firmly planted in reality.

[otto]

lmao it was a long sentence....Otto you still breathing honey? :grin:

LOL Samiya and Strach, yes, still breathing. I've had that terrible flu for the last 5 days and without a doubt, my brains are scrambled. You should see the notes I sent to work about being away ... confusions throughout!

[otto]

Thanks, scandi ... I remain on my month-long mission that MY may have been murdered closer to 04:00 ish - but then there are really 6 hours to tween the sheriff's time-scale to consider this. ( lol, close is going to through a cream-pie on my head for repeatedly saying this, lolllll. But I do feel that MY was killed around then. :D)

How do you figure 4? I'm curious. I was thinking more along the lines of 11:30-1:30ish. That would give Jason time to leave the house with witnesses confirming his departure and drive to a hotel, or maybe just park somewhere close for a couple of hours. He could come back to the house, commit the murder, clean up and then be on his way again. That would give him maximum time to distance himself from the scene and maybe establish some witnesses far away from the crime.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

How do you figure 4? I'm curious. I was thinking more along the lines of 11:30-1:30ish. That would give Jason time to leave the house with witnesses confirming his departure and drive to a hotel, or maybe just park somewhere close for a couple of hours. He could come back to the house, commit the murder, clean up and then be on his way again. That would give him maximum time to distance himself from the scene and maybe establish some witnesses far away from the crime.

Good question and thanks otto. I tried to put myself in perp's shoes...

Here's "my INVENTED" scene & theme (jmho):

departs *whatever* time Thursday evening (I feel someone had to witness this).
Either books into hotel up to and hour away OR lurks in area, parks/hides - if in hotel ... makes call home - circa 11:00 pm.
If he wasn't in hotel, still drives to area for cell phone records to "ping" call.
If in Hotel checks out EARLY (to cover for early drive to VA/Brevard
Instead: drives short distance back to Birchleaf Drive
Arrives early hours morning 3rd Nov
MY's fast asleep
Secures family pet (wouldn;t have 'performed' for a stranger)
Attacks - commits crime - circa 2 - 3 am
Washes, cleans, tidies-up
Hangs around until after 5 am
Plans Fax/Printout, (then.... or later ---->) uses MM's for purse gift searches, arranges for fax or printout to be delivered to home in morning
Lures Meredith to collect based on premise this is a "gift" for MY
Knows MF will find dog and baby and keep em safe.

HE'S THE KINDA PERP TO HAVE A STRING OF SEXUAL FLINGS

he may have left the house after few good hours sleep at previous hotel ... and drove straight to his Va ot Brev destination.

Wild ... very wild ... I know, lol :)

[otto]

Good question and thanks otto. I tried to put myself in perp's shoes...

Here's "my INVENTED" scene & theme (jmho):

departs *whatever* time Thursday evening (I feel someone had to witness this).
Either books into hotel up to and hour away OR lurks in area, parks/hides - if in hotel ... makes call home - circa 11:00 pm.
If he wasn't in hotel, still drives to area for cell phone records to "ping" call.
If in Hotel checks out EARLY (to cover for early drive to VA/Brevard
Instead: drives short distance back to Birchleaf Drive
Arrives early hours morning 3rd Nov
MY's fast asleep
Secures family pet (wouldn;t have 'performed' for a stranger)
Attacks - commits crime - circa 2 - 3 am
Washes, cleans, tidies-up
Hangs around until after 5 am
Plans Fax/Printout, (then.... or later ---->) uses MM's for purse gift searches, arranges for fax or printout to be delivered to home in morning
Lures Meredith to collect based on premise this is a "gift" for MY
Knows MF will find dog and baby and keep em safe.

HE'S THE KINDA PERP TO HAVE A STRING OF SEXUAL FLINGS

he may have left the house after few good hours sleep at previous hotel ... and drove straight to his Va ot Brev destination.

Wild ... very wild ... I know, lol :)

I see. Thanks. You're thinking that he checked into the hotel, rested for a bit and then went back to commit the crime before going on to the meeting. I'm thinking he committed the crime and then rested a bit before the meeting.

I think that Scott Peterson ran into trouble with his alibi because it took longer to commit the murder and clean up than he thought. If he could have had it all cleaned up and disposed of Laci in the middle of the night, he would have done that and been out golfing the day she was reported missing. I think the murder took too long and he messed up by having to take her to the marina in the day, meaning he couldn't use the golf alibi. I guess my point is that with the murder of a pregnant wife, there seems to be a few hours needed after the actual murder for the husband to get his bearings and make sure he covered all the bases.

If Jason drove to the hotel, phoned home around 11 and then returned to the home, that would probably place him there around 1:30. That would give him a couple of hours to do what he did and then return to the hotel probably around 4 or 5.

I think we're thinking along the same lines ... we just need to know what hotel he was in so we can look at the time lines. That would clear up all sorts of questions.

[close_enough]

I'm curious as to how you fellow sleuthers interpret this, does it indicate anything to you with respect to the time JY left his home?


http://www.newsobserver.com/141/story/511581.html

"Jason Young has said he slipped out that evening to get a head start for an early morning sales meeting in Virginia, according to Fussell, who said he talked to Jason Young at his wife's funeral.
Michelle Young stayed behind with Cassidy; a girlfriend came over to watch TV with her, the friend told Fussell. Cassidy popped in a DVD of "Cinderella" -- a Halloween gift -- and watched until she fell fast asleep."

i still think he left while the friend was there...8 or 9'ish.....

eta....the "slipped" tells me that he "slipped" out while the friend was there watching TV with Michelle...he "slipped" out after Cassie fell asleep...

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I see. Thanks. You're thinking that he checked into the hotel, rested for a bit and then went back to commit the crime before going on to the meeting. I'm thinking he committed the crime and then rested a bit before the meeting.

I think that Scott Peterson ran into trouble with his alibi because it took longer to commit the murder and clean up than he thought. If he could have had it all cleaned up and disposed of Laci in the middle of the night, he would have done that and been out golfing the day she was reported missing. I think the murder took too long and he messed up by having to take her to the marina in the day, meaning he couldn't use the golf alibi. I guess my point is that with the murder of a pregnant wife, there seems to be a few hours needed after the actual murder for the husband to get his bearings and make sure he covered all the bases.

If Jason drove to the hotel, phoned home around 11 and then returned to the home, that would probably place him there around 1:30. That would give him a couple of hours to do what he did and then return to the hotel probably around 4 or 5.

I think we're thinking along the same lines ... we just need to know what hotel he was in so we can look at the time lines. That would clear up all sorts of questions.

Hi otto ... and first/foremost: hope you're feeling betta! Rest, swallow - do the necessary as yr health is number ONE...

OK ... we are on same line as MODUS OPERANDI. The true time lines will give credence as to the before/after 1:00 am 'kill-theory'.

We KNOW LE (were) are asking for tips re strange sightings tween midnight and 6.

I feel there is MORE that they have on their cards than simply an estimated TOD. IF, if, if -------> JY did this and parked away aways ... he MAY have brought his car to front of house afterwards (who knows, he may even have kept dog in his vehicle during crime...) to wash, clean, change clothes and STAGE what needed to be staged.

MF stated the house does not "look like it normally does" ... AND: MY was found in main bedroom, face down - on the floor. Seems MY put up a fight as I feel she was attacked as she slept . BUT ... outside of INSIDERS POSTS seems MY was on floor, face down. From that alone, I believe she was attacked as she slept, and struggled for a few minutes before being over powered - she fell into an awkward twisted position. IMO MY was not dead yet ... her blood pumped out on a living heart-beat that enabled Cassie to "step all over her" as the morning hours ticked away.


Here's the caveat - just like Porco's crime, perp may have LEFT HER FOR DEAD ... and it may have taken hour or so to die; so she was (SPECULATION) unconscious meaning she still pumped blood onto the floor - and this is what cassie stepped in and carried around the house.

As there was blood on the bed - this is the first point of brutal contact. MY tied to save herself and died doing so... :(

Lividity, body-blood-pooling would give closer TOD or estimated...

JY may have 'snoozed" on sofa b4 heding back to "wherever".

He's been silent since 03 Nov. It's now 12 Dec. This buddy, a.k.a. Boodie Boy AINT... gonna talk (ash-hole), IMO...

[strach304]

I'm curious as to how you fellow sleuthers interpret this, does it indicate anything to you with respect to the time JY left his home?


http://www.newsobserver.com/141/story/511581.html

"Jason Young has said he slipped out that evening to get a head start for an early morning sales meeting in Virginia, according to Fussell, who said he talked to Jason Young at his wife's funeral.
Michelle Young stayed behind with Cassidy; a girlfriend came over to watch TV with her, the friend told Fussell. Cassidy popped in a DVD of "Cinderella" -- a Halloween gift -- and watched until she fell fast asleep."

Ok so when it says the friend told Fussel in the second part does it mean Jason as referenced in the first part or the friend who came over to watch tv is who told him Cassidy fell asleep watching a dvd? If Jason then he was there.

Wanted to mention that right above that part in the article it also states him saying Jason was happy to be having a baby boy and Jason's new job meant more money and Michele was talking about going part time to be home with the children. Rather obvious since we've seen this before but didn't really get my attention till now. That imo would be the motive or rather add to it.

[close_enough]

Thanks, scandi ... I remain on my month-long mission that MY may have been murdered closer to 04:00 ish - but then there are really 6 hours to tween the sheriff's time-scale to consider this. ( lol, close is going to through a cream-pie on my head for repeatedly saying this, lolllll. But I do feel that MY was killed around then. :D)

LOL...noooo, i'd never throw a cream-pie at you!....you could very well be right about the murder happening around 4 am....i'm still sticking with the 1-3 am timeframe, until we hear otherwise....i think whatever time it happened, he was out of that house no later than 4 am...MAYBE pushed it to 4:30....

& again, i still think Cassie woke up at some point while the perp (JY) was there....

[close_enough]

Ok so when it says the friend told Fussel in the second part does it mean Jason as referenced in the first part or the friend who came over to watch tv is who told him Cassidy fell asleep watching a dvd? If Jason then he was there.
Wanted to mention that right above that part in the article it also states him saying Jason was happy to be having a baby boy and Jason's new job meant more money and Michele was talking about going part time to be home with the children. Rather obvious since we've seen this before but didn't really get my attention till now. That imo would be the motive or rather add to it.

good point strach....hard to say for sure...the article really leaves it 'open'/unclear

[close_enough]

Slipped away is an interesting way of putting it no doubt. Tends to indicate no attention was wanted, as in quietly disappear. As for the suitcases, I don't know how Fussell would know - he wasn't there and for some reason I don't think JY would tell him at a funeral that he took several suitcases with him when he slipped away. I find it incredibly odd that JY would even tell him he was in VA at the funeral - unless of course it was a CYA thing. Just doesn't seem like a funeral type of conversation to me. I think the number of suitcases is again a figment of someone's imagination because I sure don't recall it in any of the articles. JMO

ETA - the funeral videos make it look like it is all JY can do to just walk, let alone talk, head all hung down and needing his Mom to hold him up...fake fake fake IMO.

(in bold)....this is why i think the friend was there when he left....he "slipped" out as to not disturb them watching GA, & Cassie falling asleep....

[strach304]

(in bold)....this is why i think the friend was there when he left....he "slipped" out as to not disturb them watching GA, & Cassie falling asleep....

The slipped out part has always struck me as an odd way of saying he was going on a business trip because it indicates a quickie kind of thing and in this case he was going from a business meeting to his parents. I believe the way it was reported is how it was said, sounds like it to me. Now that could've been Fussel's own words or him repeating what Jason told him.

[close_enough]

The slipped out part has always struck me as an odd way of saying he was going on a business trip because it indicates a quickie kind of thing and in this case he was going from a business meeting to his parents. I believe the way it was reported is how it was said, sounds like it to me. Now that could've been Fussel's own words or him repeating what Jason told him.

i agree...i think Fussel was repeating what JY told him

[raisincharlie]

Ok so when it says the friend told Fussel in the second part does it mean Jason as referenced in the first part or the friend who came over to watch tv is who told him Cassidy fell asleep watching a dvd? If Jason then he was there.

Wanted to mention that right above that part in the article it also states him saying Jason was happy to be having a baby boy and Jason's new job meant more money and Michele was talking about going part time to be home with the children. Rather obvious since we've seen this before but didn't really get my attention till now. That imo would be the motive or rather add to it.
My take -

the girlfriend told Fussell about Cassidy

Jy told Fussell about his departure at a funeral for his recently departed wife.

I say this because JY is in one paragraph, the girlfriend in the second, JY is not mentioned in any context with the girlfriend. JMO

[close_enough]

My take -

the girlfriend told Fussell about Cassidy

Jy told Fussell about his departure at a funeral for his recently departed wife.

I say this because JY is in one paragraph, the girlfriend in the second, JY is not mentioned in any context with the girlfriend. JMO

could very well have been this way RC.....wonder when the autopsy will be released??....wonder when we'll find out the real details, as far as what time JY left the house???...course since Michelle is dead, & IF JY left before the girlfriend, then no one knows for SURE when JY left, but himself, right?...i mean unless his cell phone was on, IF he left early, then it's going to be hard to pinpoint his actual time of departure from the home on Thursday, right??

[Juliana]

I'm curious as to how you fellow sleuthers interpret this, does it indicate anything to you with respect to the time JY left his home?


http://www.newsobserver.com/141/story/511581.html

"Jason Young has said he slipped out that evening to get a head start for an early morning sales meeting in Virginia, according to Fussell, who said he talked to Jason Young at his wife's funeral.
Michelle Young stayed behind with Cassidy; a girlfriend came over to watch TV with her, the friend told Fussell. Cassidy popped in a DVD of "Cinderella" -- a Halloween gift -- and watched until she fell fast asleep."

Poor little angel Cassidy, she fell asleep to "Cinderella" and when she woke up she was all alone with her dead mama. Breaks my heart to think of that little baby all by herself in that scary situation for so long... :(

[close_enough]

Poor little angel Cassidy, she fell asleep to "Cinderella" and when she woke up she was all alone with her dead mama. Breaks my heart to think of that little baby all by herself in that scary situation for so long... :(

i agree Juliana...

[raisincharlie]

could very well have been this way RC.....wonder when the autopsy will be released??....wonder when we'll find out the real details, as far as what time JY left the house???...course since Michelle is dead, & IF JY left before the girlfriend, then no one knows for SURE when JY left, but himself, right?...i mean unless his cell phone was on, IF he left early, then it's going to be hard to pinpoint his actual time of departure from the home on Thursday, right??If one of his two cell phones was turned on - they will know within a few minutes of when he left his home and what direction he went based on the tower radii he passed through. In urban areas towers are fairly close together usually within 3 miles or less depending on other electronic emission sources. They will know if he just ran an errand or left the area.

Remember Snotty boy got nailed to leaving after 10:08 am, even though he said he left 9:30, because he checked his voicemail and the tower showed it was the normal tower for his home - then they traced his movement to the warehouse as he passed through 3 or 4 towers (can't remember how many for sure)

And we know the search warrants indicated JY checked his voicemail frequently....and of course yapped to the gf a lot.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

LOL...noooo, i'd never throw a cream-pie at you!....you could very well be right about the murder happening around 4 am....i'm still sticking with the 1-3 am timeframe, until we hear otherwise....i think whatever time it happened, he was out of that house no later than 4 am...MAYBE pushed it to 4:30....

& again, i still think Cassie woke up at some point while the perp (JY) was there....

OK, lolllll ... we're hittin commojn ground.... he may have committed crime and (pushed) hours to 4:30. THERE IS A REASON LE are enquiring as to vehicle activity uo to and b4 6:00 am. MAYBE ... he slun back and rested his car?

So let me re-phrase my thinking: Crime may have occured earlier than I've suggested (earlier than 4 am).... BUT ..... he MAY have stayed in house/car and left early hours to continue his journey.

I am not making myself clear regards TOD and TOD (lol time of death and JY's time of crime scene departure, heh heh...) :slap:

[raisincharlie]

i still think he left while the friend was there...8 or 9'ish.....

eta....the "slipped" tells me that he "slipped" out while the friend was there watching TV with Michelle...he "slipped" out after Cassie fell asleep...
Mabe he "slipped out" before Meredith even came home from work on Thursday after picking up Cassidy at daycare. :chicken:

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Mabe he "slipped out" before Meredith even came home from work on Thursday after picking up Cassidy at daycare. :chicken:


Eeeeuuuw! Geez. Didn think of that! :eek:

[raisincharlie]

Eeeeuuuw! Geez. Didn think of that! :eek:
Sounds like a good reason to call a friend over and have dinner and watch tv to me.

[close_enough]

Sounds like a good reason to call a friend over and have dinner and watch tv to me.

hmmm, ok i know you meant Michelle, not Meredith right?.....

i don't know...i picture him with his bags in hand, not wanting to disturb the girls watching TV, giving Michelle a quick kiss, Cassie falling asleep, & him heading out the door....that's just the 'picture' i have in my head....

[close_enough]

If one of his two cell phones was turned on - they will know within a few minutes of when he left his home and what direction he went based on the tower radii he passed through. In urban areas towers are fairly close together usually within 3 miles or less depending on other electronic emission sources. They will know if he just ran an errand or left the area.

Remember Snotty boy got nailed to leaving after 10:08 am, even though he said he left 9:30, because he checked his voicemail and the tower showed it was the normal tower for his home - then they traced his movement to the warehouse as he passed through 3 or 4 towers (can't remember how many for sure)

And we know the search warrants indicated JY checked his voicemail frequently....and of course yapped to the gf a lot.

yep yep...those pesky cell phones :D

[raisincharlie]

hmmm, ok i know you meant Michelle, not Meredith right?.....

i don't know...i picture him with his bags in hand, not wanting to disturb the girls watching TV, giving Michelle a quick kiss, Cassie falling asleep, & him heading out the door....that's just the 'picture' i have in my head....
We're just watching different channels luv!

FWIW - if JY planned to do this - IMO I don't see him wanting to see either Michelle or Cassidy prior to doing it. He seems so like a wimpy weasel or rodent of some sort to me. JMO

[close_enough]

We're just watching different channels luv!

FWIW - if JY planned to do this - IMO I don't see him wanting to see either Michelle or Cassidy prior to doing it. He seems so like a wimpy weasel or rodent of some sort to me. JMO

hmmm, i agree he's a rodent, but i don't imagine it would bother him to see them, before he left...he had a 'plan' & was sticking to it...he wanted Michelle out of the way...i think (IF he did it) he had grown to hate her.....BUT you could be right about him not being there when the friend was....ya know, this COULD be the reason it's all so unclear as to WHEN he left for this business meeting.....there's been nothing 'in stone' stating when he left for this meeting, & it COULD be, LE had to figure this all out on their own...that's what's weird...i think LE has HAD to figure it all out on their own, & if that's the case then JY probably DID leave prior to the g/f getting there that night....otherwise the g/f could simply tell them..."hey he left at ??? time"....hmmmmm, now you got me thinking in a slightly diff direction RC....it DOES seem like if there was a witness that saw the time he left the house that night, that would be right on in there in the news...right??...probably???

[Scout]

Maybe the "slipped out" phrase was used to indicate that he left before the friend/s arrived. If there was tension between Jason and Michelle because of marital problems or because she found out about the affair, I can see him wanting to avoid being there among Michelle and her girlfriends. Or maybe he thought that one or more of the girlfriends may have known about the affair with MM and wanted to avoid being under their scrutiny.

[close_enough]

morning Pack:)

have you heard ANYTHING about JY actually being at the house that Thursday night, while the girlfriend was there to watch Grey's Anatomy with Michelle??

[raisincharlie]

hmmm, i agree he's a rodent, but i don't imagine it would bother him to see them, before he left...he had a 'plan' & was sticking to it...he wanted Michelle out of the way...i think (IF he did it) he had grown to hate her.....BUT you could be right about him not being there when the friend was....ya know, this COULD be the reason it's all so unclear as to WHEN he left for this business meeting.....there's been nothing 'in stone' stating when he left for this meeting, & it COULD be, LE had to figure this all out on their own...that's what's weird...i think LE has HAD to figure it all out on their own, & if that's the case then JY probably DID leave prior to the g/f getting there that night....otherwise the g/f could simply tell them..."hey he left at ??? time"....hmmmmm, now you got me thinking in a slightly diff direction RC....it DOES seem like if there was a witness that saw the time he left the house that night, that would be right on in there in the news...right??...probably???
IMO - Fussell liked blabbing to the press - if he would regurgitate the story about Cinderella - surely had the gf or even Jy told him when JY departed he would have spit that out as well. Seems to me Fussell kept the two subjects entirely separated as though one had nothing to do with the other. Then again that separation could have simply been the choice of the writer.

My opinion - MY's girlfriend did not see JY that evening, mainly because JY did not want her to see him - I do believe he left before she ever arrived at the Young home. JMO

[close_enough]

OK, lolllll ... we're hittin commojn ground.... he may have committed crime and (pushed) hours to 4:30. THERE IS A REASON LE are enquiring as to vehicle activity uo to and b4 6:00 am. MAYBE ... he slun back and rested his car?

So let me re-phrase my thinking: Crime may have occured earlier than I've suggested (earlier than 4 am).... BUT ..... he MAY have stayed in house/car and left early hours to continue his journey.

I am not making myself clear regards TOD and TOD (lol time of death and JY's time of crime scene departure, heh heh...) :slap:

i don't know Polk...if he did this, i can't imagine him hangin around the house for very long afterward....maybe a quick look around to make sure he didn't 'miss' something that could have been left behind....ya know, a quick glance over it all.....course IF Cassie was awaken, that might have slowed things down a bit.....

[raisincharlie]

Maybe the "slipped out" phrase was used to indicate that he left before the friend/s arrived. If there was tension between Jason and Michelle because of marital problems or because she found out about the affair, I can see him wanting to avoid being there among Michelle and her girlfriends. Or maybe he thought that one or more of the girlfriends may have known about the affair with MM and wanted to avoid being under their scrutiny.
I believe this is a very distinct possiblity Scout. And thanks for the input, I think this may be spot on and maybe I'm not totally crazy for thinking it afterall.:)

[Scout]

I believe this is a very distinct possiblity Scout. And thanks for the input, I think this may be spot on and maybe I'm not totally crazy for thinking it afterall.:)

Not crazy at all, rc.

[close_enough]

IMO - Fussell liked blabbing to the press - if he would regurgitate the story about Cinderella - surely had the gf or even Jy told him when JY departed he would have spit that out as well. Seems to me Fussell kept the two subjects entirely separated as though one had nothing to do with the other. Then again that separation could have simply been the choice of the writer.

My opinion - MY's girlfriend did not see JY that evening, mainly because JY did not want her to see him - I do believe he left before she ever arrived at the Young home. JMO

i see what you're saying....LE didn't have a problem with the media stating that the g/f left at 10:30, sooooooo if she had been there when JY left, seems that would have gotten out in the media as well....hmmmm

[raisincharlie]

Not crazy at all, rc.
Did you find anything about the Hampton Inn ? What I found was sketchy and I couldn't decide the probability of it so figured it wouldn't become firmer and left it at that.

[close_enough]

Maybe the "slipped out" phrase was used to indicate that he left before the friend/s arrived. If there was tension between Jason and Michelle because of marital problems or because she found out about the affair, I can see him wanting to avoid being there among Michelle and her girlfriends. Or maybe he thought that one or more of the girlfriends may have known about the affair with MM and wanted to avoid being under their scrutiny.

could be Scout...that's assuming that all this "relationship" thing had already hit the fan, so to speak....hmmm

[PolkSaladAnnie]

We're just watching different channels luv!

FWIW - if JY planned to do this - IMO I don't see him wanting to see either Michelle or Cassidy prior to doing it. He seems so like a wimpy weasel or rodent of some sort to me. JMO


But ... YESSSS, charlie ... agreed he's a :laugh: wimpy weasel wormy rodent ----> through to slithering slime ball ... clever enough to WANT WITNESSES...

Everythig else is overdone - why not when he was leaving ?/??

[Scout]

Did you find anything about the Hampton Inn ? What I found was sketchy and I couldn't decide the probability of it so figured it wouldn't become firmer and left it at that.

Sorry, but I haven't had time to look into it yet. I appreciate you pointing it out to me. I glanced over the warrants once and have been meaning to get back to a more thorough examination of them. Busy, busy, busy!

[Taximom]

I prefer "slunk" out of his home like the slithering slimeball that he is, but that's besides the point.:cool:

Something has been on my mind since I heard that Fussell had lunch with MY a few days before she was murdered. I wonder how good of a friend he was if MY didn't tell him anything was going wrong with the marriage. Or did she know yet?

I had a few gay friends in college, and I could tell/ask them ANYthing! They were better than some of my girlfriends at the time.

I wonder also if Fussell was more of MY's friend than :cool: JY's:cool: friend.

I also find it interesting that Grey's Anatomy was the show of choice for MY and friends. From experience many years ago, it's hard watching a show practically celebrating adultery when you are going through it yourself.

So many questions.....

[raisincharlie]

<snip>.hmmmmm, now you got me thinking in a slightly diff direction RC....it DOES seem like if there was a witness that saw the time he left the house that night, that would be right on in there in the news...right??...probably???
Close,

You have to quit doing this to me ! Everytime you start talking I start going in another direction - here it comes, this is what is on my channel:

Suppose the May accident really was not an accident - it did assist in eliminating a baby at that time regardless of what the "friends" say - the fact is the baby ceased to exist. One problem solved, although maybe not the exact outcome desired.

MY pretty much immediately gets pregnant again. The second problem returns, I call a baby a problem because it is kind of obvious the man can't keep it zipped. Not much is factually known about what JY did for a living prior to ChartOne however the friends suggest pharmaceutical sales. Being in the Triangle area I would suppose his travel may not have been near as extensive so he is cornered into living day to day with what he does not actually want - monogomous relationship, the old ball and chain so to speak. Change jobs to one that requires travel 3 to 4 days a week. Away from what he does not want and he is free to pursue women well away from the home.

Maybe some cat is let out of the bag about his affairs ( come on - we all know there will be more than one) and MY picks up on it. Perhaps there is some marital discomfort. This is in addition to already not wanting to be tied down so the plan starts - as comfrontation occurs the need to be done with it heightens. Divorce is not an option for financial reasons - hard to support both a family and a swinging lifestyle but it could be greatly enhanced if there truly is a 1M $ policy - quite nice sum that is. Lots of travel, lots of time to visit bars in various cities and play the shy game...

You see where I'm going.

[raisincharlie]

Sorry, but I haven't had time to look into it yet. I appreciate you pointing it out to me. I glanced over the warrants once and have been meaning to get back to a more thorough examination of them. Busy, busy, busy!
That was my intent. Perhaps some more will be released soon.

[close_enough]

Close,

You have to quit doing this to me ! Everytime you start talking I start going in another direction - here it comes, this is what is on my channel:

Suppose the May accident really was not an accident - it did assist in eliminating a baby at that time regardless of what the "friends" say - the fact is the baby ceased to exist. One problem solved, although maybe not the exact outcome desired.

MY pretty much immediately gets pregnant again. The second problem returns, I call a baby a problem because it is kind of obvious the man can't keep it zipped. Not much is factually known about what JY did for a living prior to ChartOne however the friends suggest pharmaceutical sales. Being in the Triangle area I would suppose his travel may not have been near as extensive so he is cornered into living day to day with what he does not actually want - monogomous relationship, the old ball and chain so to speak. Change jobs to one that requires travel 3 to 4 days a week. Away from what he does not want and he is free to pursue women well away from the home.

Maybe some cat is let out of the bag about his affairs ( come on - we all know there will be more than one) and MY picks up on it. Perhaps there is some marital discomfort. This is in addition to already not wanting to be tied down so the plan starts - as comfrontation occurs the need to be done with it heightens. Divorce is not an option for financial reasons - hard to support both a family and a swinging lifestyle but it could be greatly enhanced if there truly is a 1M $ policy - quite nice sum that is. Lots of travel, lots of time to visit bars in various cities and play the shy game...

You see where I'm going.

oh yes, i see where you're going, & i agree 100% on all of the above....makes perfect sense....i also think the car accident was NOT an 'accident'....& it very well could be that something about affairs had hit the fan recently, leading to a 'plan' to nip it in the bud without having to go thru a divorce....

i'm really starting to think about this thing of whether the g/f was there that night or not, when JY left for his 'meeting' ....you really have me thinking now....

got to run...babysitting again today...later:)

[pack_fan]

morning Pack:)

have you heard ANYTHING about JY actually being at the house that Thursday night, while the girlfriend was there to watch Grey's Anatomy with Michelle??
I'm trying to multi task here and not being very successful at any of it. No idea close. My opinion is this, from personal experience, traffic around Raleigh/Durham is not the greatest. If it were me, I would wait until at least 7 for traffic to move on along. Avoiding the traffic could mean an hour or more saved on the road depending on which way he was travelling. I'm sure he was well aware of this. I would also tend to beleive that he would want to spend as much time with Cassidy as possible if he was planning on being gone for the weekend. I always like to tuck the kids in bed if I am going to be gone for several days. I would think that it is a very good possibility that someone saw him that evening, AND WHAT CLOTHES HE HAD ON.

[raisincharlie]

I prefer "slunk" out of his home like the slithering slimeball that he is, but that's besides the point.:cool:

Something has been on my mind since I heard that Fussell had lunch with MY a few days before she was murdered. I wonder how good of a friend he was if MY didn't tell him anything was going wrong with the marriage. Or did she know yet?

I had a few gay friends in college, and I could tell/ask them ANYthing! They were better than some of my girlfriends at the time.

I wonder also if Fussell was more of MY's friend than :cool: JY's:cool: friend.

I also find it interesting that Grey's Anatomy was the show of choice for MY and friends. From experience many years ago, it's hard watching a show practically celebrating adultery when you are going through it yourself.

So many questions.....
Taximom,

IMO Rhett Fussell was more a friend to MY and the other sorority girls than he was to JY.

I don't watch much tv - my wife watches GA and usually with friends as well. The whole problem I have with tv is that it does dull everything down. We all know things happen - but tv seems to make it the norm and over time possibly more acceptable. i.e. we are all wanting information, screaming for it - truth is we aren't watching CSI LV, NY or Miami (how many are there anyway?)- this is real and this is how it works - I think we forget how the real world is if we keep glued to the tube. It seems to me Laci Peterson kept up a very good front - for some reason I think MY would be just as capable and we know for an absolute fact MM was capable. JMO

[raisincharlie]

I'm trying to multi task here and not being very successful at any of it. No idea close. My opinion is this, from personal experience, traffic around Raleigh/Durham is not the greatest. If it were me, I would wait until at least 7 for traffic to move on along. Avoiding the traffic could mean an hour or more saved on the road depending on which way he was travelling. I'm sure he was well aware of this. I would also tend to beleive that he would want to spend as much time with Cassidy as possible if he was planning on being gone for the weekend. I always like to tuck the kids in bed if I am going to be gone for several days. I would think that it is a very good possibility that someone saw him that evening, AND WHAT CLOTHES HE HAD ON.
Uh oh ! What is missing...hmmm :waitasec:

[pack_fan]

Uh oh ! What is missing...hmmm :waitasec:
Don't let me forget the infamous and all important, JMO!

[raisincharlie]

Don't let me forget the infamous and all important, JMO!
You jogged me back to one of the "friends" comments about something being missing - if someone did see him - maybe the clothes he had on are what is missing. JMO, of course. :)

Have to go study again - thanks for the possibility - hadn't thought about it till you said that.

[Taximom]

Just in case you didn't see it on the SP thread-Sharon Rocha is going to be on Larry King tonight! Bless her soul. The holidays must be horrible for them.

More info on the SP thread.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Thanks for that, Taximom. I'll get LKL in the morning! Poor Sharon. 4 years on :(

Scout: as for Slipping Out ... Ugh.... Well I think he used that to relate to "Boys-Bonding" like he 'slipped out before the weight, butt-size, tv-Idol, hair and nails" chat commenced. I think he said as much to achieve a mutual and well-rounded slap-on-the-back 'I know laugh' from his friends.

He's a con artist as well as a salesman. He knows his audience; right now he's shutting up for his biggest audience ever ... and may just remain silent hereon in (IMO,O,O) LOL :)

[Bellgardin]

I'm new and this is my first post, so I hope I'm doing it right! Anyway, I wanted to address the life insurance issue. I paid life insurance claims for several years (which doesn't show you the best side of human nature!) and one thing I learned is that people will kill people for pretty small amounts of money. However, if JY is a suspect to LE (even if they don't say he is to the rest of the world) the insurance co. claim rep will know it and will not release the funds to him (if he is the beneficiary) until the police clear the suspect or a trial is complete. I worked with LE on many claims that worked like this. I was also asked by LE more than once to not tell the bene that the police believed them to be a suspect. BTW, the insurance company contacts LE because of the info contained on the Death Certificate-which must be a certified, final DC (includes cause and manner of death). LE was usually pretty excited to get a call from us advising them of the insurance policy. If he is convicted, the money goes to the contingent beneficiary. If there is no contingent bene, then it goes to the deceased's estate and so on.

Just for the record-I think he definitely did it. I think his jig is about up. Thanks!

[IdahoMom]

I'm new and this is my first post, so I hope I'm doing it right! Anyway, I wanted to address the life insurance issue. I paid life insurance claims for several years (which doesn't show you the best side of human nature!) and one thing I learned is that people will kill people for pretty small amounts of money. However, if JY is a suspect to LE (even if they don't say he is to the rest of the world) the insurance co. claim rep will know it and will not release the funds to him (if he is the beneficiary) until the police clear the suspect or a trial is complete. I worked with LE on many claims that worked like this. I was also asked by LE more than once to not tell the bene that the police believed them to be a suspect. BTW, the insurance company contacts LE because of the info contained on the Death Certificate-which must be a certified, final DC (includes cause and manner of death). LE was usually pretty excited to get a call from us advising them of the insurance policy. If he is convicted, the money goes to the contingent beneficiary. If there is no contingent bene, then it goes to the deceased's estate and so on.

Just for the record-I think he definitely did it. I think his jig is about up. Thanks!
Welcome, Bellgardin! Excellent, very informative first post! http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[raisincharlie]

I'm new and this is my first post, so I hope I'm doing it right! Anyway, I wanted to address the life insurance issue. I paid life insurance claims for several years (which doesn't show you the best side of human nature!) and one thing I learned is that people will kill people for pretty small amounts of money. However, if JY is a suspect to LE (even if they don't say he is to the rest of the world) the insurance co. claim rep will know it and will not release the funds to him (if he is the beneficiary) until the police clear the suspect or a trial is complete. I worked with LE on many claims that worked like this. I was also asked by LE more than once to not tell the bene that the police believed them to be a suspect. BTW, the insurance company contacts LE because of the info contained on the Death Certificate-which must be a certified, final DC (includes cause and manner of death). LE was usually pretty excited to get a call from us advising them of the insurance policy. If he is convicted, the money goes to the contingent beneficiary. If there is no contingent bene, then it goes to the deceased's estate and so on.

Just for the record-I think he definitely did it. I think his jig is about up. Thanks!Bellgardin,

You did just fine ! Thanks for that information, it is always interesting to hear how things really work. Honestly I had not thought about the insurance in that depth but am glad you brought it forth. It is nice to know that the insurance companies contact LE when a claim is made based on a death other than natural causes. Salute !

I agree - I think he did it - and his jig is about up as well. Hang around and keep us in line on these issues. Factual information about how things proceed is always very helpful.

ETA - your opinions would be just as welcome !

RC

[jilly]

I'm new and this is my first post, so I hope I'm doing it right! Anyway, I wanted to address the life insurance issue. I paid life insurance claims for several years (which doesn't show you the best side of human nature!) and one thing I learned is that people will kill people for pretty small amounts of money. However, if JY is a suspect to LE (even if they don't say he is to the rest of the world) the insurance co. claim rep will know it and will not release the funds to him (if he is the beneficiary) until the police clear the suspect or a trial is complete. I worked with LE on many claims that worked like this. I was also asked by LE more than once to not tell the bene that the police believed them to be a suspect. BTW, the insurance company contacts LE because of the info contained on the Death Certificate-which must be a certified, final DC (includes cause and manner of death). LE was usually pretty excited to get a call from us advising them of the insurance policy. If he is convicted, the money goes to the contingent beneficiary. If there is no contingent bene, then it goes to the deceased's estate and so on.

Just for the record-I think he definitely did it. I think his jig is about up. Thanks!


Bellgardin!!! Welcome!! :) And thank you for answering my questions on an earlier post way back when. Very good to know that the claims are not settled until one is cleared as a suspect!

Thank you for bringing your expertise to this forum! Appreciated!! :dance:

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I'm new and this is my first post,

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Just for the record-I think he definitely did it. I think his jig is about up. Thanks!

Hi Bellgardin. Great first post! Thanks for your insight and commitment to this forum, but more than that: WELCOME TO W/S!!

Look, there had to be more for JY (in his mind, that is) to gain from this murderous act than to continue his diabloical cheatin ways. It's now no secret he was a womanizer. It's my OWN opinion we'll hear there are MORE women on his snakes 'n ladders board game.

With what he STOOD TO LOSE (as a gamblin man) if a court battle ensued, meant more to him that divorce. He planned and committed (IMO) the deadly murder of his wife and unborn son ... as that was an easier and more cowardly option for him to handle than child support, split estate etc. Add salesman &gambler together;throw in the available woman - you have a Classic Scumbucket, nothiing less, IMO. A deeply sad creep of a life, IMO. A loser.... he prolly needed a plaster-of-Paris cask to,er, maintain momentum... ya.... know???? By the way ... he's really ugly. Bleeek...

[scandi]

You jogged me back to one of the "friends" comments about something being missing - if someone did see him - maybe the clothes he had on are what is missing. JMO, of course. :)

Yes, we've never really thought about this, but whoever murdered Michelle in what was one of the most horrific crime scenes the RPD has seen in 20+ years, had to have ditched what he had on. For one thing he would never be able to get the blood really out.

Wish I could write to Larry Kobilinski again to see what he thinks about blood spatter in this case, but without the autopsy report it isn't time yet. I will when we get that report. I do know that when a gun if fired there is blow back, but I don't know about 'spatter-back' {:waitasec:} in a bludgeoning. And thinking of 10 blows to the back of the head which they say would be very bloody, the killer would have to have lots of blood on him.

Charlie, did they take his watch do you know? If he had gloves on it would probably cover the watch, right. If you were in the killers place Charlie, where would you ditch the bloody items? Any ideas?

Scandi


:hand: Bellgardin, I want to welcome you too to our forum. You'll really enjoy it I know. Sometimes we have to push ourselves away from the 'puter to get menial tasks done like cleaning, shopping, eating, etc LOL

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Bellgardin!!! Welcome!! :) And thank you for answering my questions on an earlier post way back when. Very good to know that the claims are not settled until one is cleared as a suspect!

Thank you for bringing your expertise to this forum! Appreciated!! :dance:

Ugh, jilly-girl !!!. I'm midst packing, printing notes, checkin detail for my flight tomorrow morn.... and I wish I could post zillions here.

(Er,... NO... I have NOT left my Xmas gift for some LouisVitton/Coach Purse for darling hubby on the print-out, lol.- NOR has he got a BOAT in a warehouse, NOR has he got a business trip and 4 cellphones, lol... we're happy, believe you me... :D...)

Just going to miss you guys big time ... and any breakin news ... :( :(

[scandi]

Annie, be sure and check in the minute you get back. Tell your hubby he's got to hang loose for a few because you have to let us know you are safe and sound!~

Have a wonderful trip and don't drink the water in England. Only bottled for you. I heared on CNN there could be radioactive elements in their water and even though it's Christmas we don't want you lit up like a light bulb, or Annie with the light green hair! :blowkiss:

Scandi

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Annie, be sure and check in the minute you get back. Tell your hubby he's got to hang loose for a few because you have to let us know you are safe and sound!~

Have a wonderful trip and don't drink the water in England. Only bottled for you. I heared on CNN there could be radioactive elements in their water and even though it's Christmas we don't want you lit up like a light bulb, or Annie with the light green hair! :blowkiss:

Scandi

:eek: .... haven't followed that, scands. ADDED MY OWN BOTTLED WATER TO MY PACKING, LOL.... The only thing that bugs me is I am 16:30 airline flight 13 Dec... Like THIRTEENTH Dec? Anyways, I'm braving up as I am theee most nervy, nerdy flier and need to get to airpt 4 hours before the plane is anywhere near runway, lol. 8 half hours....even tho I'm flyin economy this time I do have a bus class pass to their lounge so hope to log in tmw night.... anything to get rid of the jitters...

scands :blowkiss: PUH-LEEZE will you pm me if there's sumtink major in this case? Am taking my lappie, but hardly feel will be able to 'chat' from UK; I' NO crackberry star - am a very basic person when comes to IT.

Ugh. You watch. When I am away the dirty hound JY will be dragged in for Q-ing!!!

Eck.... and so say all of us .... :(

[raisincharlie]

Wish I could write to Larry Kobilinski again to see what he thinks about blood spatter in this case, but without the autopsy report it isn't time yet. I will when we get that report. I do know that when a gun if fired there is blow back, but I don't know about 'spatter-back' {:waitasec:} in a bludgeoning. And thinking of 10 blows to the back of the head which they say would be very bloody, the killer would have to have lots of blood on him.

Charlie, did they take his watch do you know? If he had gloves on it would probably cover the watch, right. If you were in the killers place Charlie, where would you ditch the bloody items? Any ideas?

Scandi

Scandi,

I am next to worthless about the blood spatter thing. As you know all to well I followed the Dyleski case like a hawk. One of the things that really surprised me in that case, given the blood bath found in the Horowitz home, was that there was actually very little blood (there was enough to convict) of the victim actually present on the mask, the glove, and the other clothes found. It was there but not in excess which totally blew me away given what he did to Pamela. Of course one of the common sense items missing were pants, which I believe dear Mom conveniently burnt.

Now to this case - where could the clothes be - there has to be tons of places and since we don't know about his actual whereabouts we are left to speculate. Some of my thoughts would include dumpsters in and around any hospital or Dr office that JY may have had a meeting with or at a hotel if there was one. Unless someone saw him put something in such dumpsters - the clothes are probably long gone as JY shut up and LE had to take the route of discovering where he was.

Some other thoughts would be trash disposal bins along his routes of travel - again they would most likely be gone due to the discovery issue referenced above. then there is Transylvania County - he grew up there, worked summerws at a white water rafting outfitter - he knows places, he knows places where he could dispose or bur without being interupted. The possibilites are limitless IMO.

If no one saw him leave other than MY - no idea how anyone would really determine if clothes are missing. If someone did see him leave, and those clothes were not found in his luggage it might raise doubts but I think there are few people who can say without a doubt exactly what someone was wearing - generalities-dark shirt and pants and so on. Not sure it would actually mean anything if someone decribed his clothes in such general terms. So far we are not aware of any warrants being served at his folks or relatives houses. IMO the clothes are long gone unless he is incredibly stupid and LE is extremely lucky.

The watch is a very good thought but I doubt the warrant issued for the SUV would cover any items personally on his person at the time. This is the one warrant I want to see by the way. I think there was something a bit unusual found in or on that SUV-perhaps in the rug near the gas and brake pedals. I am very curious about this machine brought in for this case. While reading up on luminol I ran across some very interesting material about what all can be found with luminol - perhaps we will see another bloody footprint or partial footprint.

Sure wish we had more to work with :D

[raisincharlie]

Ugh, jilly-girl !!!. I'm midst packing, printing notes, checkin detail for my flight tomorrow morn.... and I wish I could post zillions here.

(Er,... NO... I have NOT left my Xmas gift for some LouisVitton/Coach Purse for darling hubby on the print-out, lol.- NOR has he got a BOAT in a warehouse, NOR has he got a business trip and 4 cellphones, lol... we're happy, believe you me... :D...)

Just going to miss you guys big time ... and any breakin news ... :( :(Annie,

Be careful, have a great time, albiet limited, and hurry back - this pot needs its stirring. I see Scandi has warned you of the water situation - a glow in the dark Annie would be something to behold however !

Have a good one luv and if going to London say hello to my home town for me and enjoy a pint or two!

[strach304]

Welcome Bellgardin :)
Have a good trip PSA :dance:

I like RC's theory about the job since that's been a point of interest for us. Add with it that Michele was talking about going part-time and he's then not so free with his finances. He gets a job allowing him to travel but then he'd be the primary income source. He may have been getting away with it by saying he was gambling.

[fran]

Have a great time on your trip PSA! :)

I have just been snoopin' the other board and that poster in the know is going out of town too! Is there somethin' you're not telling us? ;)

:D Just kiddin'!!!

fran


Oh............from snoopin' I learned

1. MM wasn't persuing JY, he was persuing her. There was only a one-time consumation of their affair, a weekend her husband was out of town. Of course, remember this is information coming from one of MM and JY's sorority sisters who's probably getting it from MM. FWIW

2. JY was known in college as 'boodie boy.'

3. hints of a co-conspirator! who may be cooperating with LE, especially about the FAX

4. The autopsy report may be out by Xmas, but the friend said she was struck 10 times in the head. There was no murder weapon found at the scene, but it's suspected it was either a hammer or a baseball bat..............and she did have defensive wounds.

5. JY is from $$. Her dad is a neurologist.

6. Sounds like the dog type is a lab. They aren't sure if the dog was in the house or not. They said they let him in and out of the house and garage, (where the door was partially open?)

7. He mentioned 'Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice.' I know that was a movie but I don't remember what it was about, I never saw it.

8. The sorority sisters aren't surprised about the affairs as they thought the marriage wasn't going to work out because he liked to play the field. They were surprised that he did seem to be totally happy and are shocked he's suspected of MY and baby's murder.

9. JY had left for his trip prior to her friend coming over to watch GA. When the friend left at 10:30, MY walked her out to her car.

This person had a few good points.

First, JY left the home, maybe around 5:00 P.M. and possibly arrived at his destination around 9:00 P.M.

Second, LE originally asked if anyone saw any cars in the area between 1:00 to 5:00 A.M., but then revised it to 12:00 midnight to 6:00 A.M. They think they're basing that on JY's timeline as to arrival and distance from home and his appointment the next day.

Third, this person said why aren't they asking about cars in the neighborhood earlier?

Fourth, the person with MY that night did say that part about feeling as if she was being watched, but referred to 20/20 hindsight. FWIW

Like I said in my last few posts, some of this might already have been talked about here, and lot is 'rumor' at this point because LE isn't talking.

JMHO
fran

Oh........PS..........there's a pool not too far from the Y's house with a parking lot, where someone could 'wait' and have easy access to the Young home through the woods in the back............

and PPS.......sorry if I repeat et al, I'm working and can't find the time to read all you've all been sayin'. It's a hit and miss thing for me now.... :slap:

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Annie,

Be careful, have a great time, albiet limited, and hurry back - this pot needs its stirring. I see Scandi has warned you of the water situation - a glow in the dark Annie would be something to behold however !

Have a good one luv and if going to London say hello to my home town for me and enjoy a pint or two!

Oh my! YOUR home town? Same as my dad's. In WW2 he was with the Naval escorts for both sides of the allies (serving on both US & UK flotilla). One day, they chanced upon CapeTown. Oh :( ... charlie ... Dad met my mom, 18 then, who'd JUST lost her bro to the war; working 2 jobs... one as hotel restaurant waitress - and evenings on the telephone (plug-in exchange) exchange operators desk which was qute something for women in africa back then. We (kids) have only TWO photos of them back then: mom was so pretty, dark-short-hair in shiny locks combed back off her face, typical of early 50's and a red cupid smile with that flawless pastel skin and very pretty brown eyes. Gosh: 50 odd years ago. He loved Africa. But indeed I'll have a "pint' for you, even though I can say I've not swallowed a whole beer in all my years (shared a couple, not had 'my own'., lol. Made up for it with wine, lol). Time passes quickly ... I feel ancient, LOL :D

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Have a great time on your trip PSA! :)

I have just been snoopin' the other board and that poster in the know is going out of town too! Is there somethin' you're not telling us? ;)

:D Just kiddin'!!!

fran




What??? you serious? Huh??? I read there .... WT .... ?

[jilly]

Ugh, jilly-girl !!!. I'm midst packing, printing notes, checkin detail for my flight tomorrow morn.... and I wish I could post zillions here.

(Er,... NO... I have NOT left my Xmas gift for some LouisVitton/Coach Purse for darling hubby on the print-out, lol.- NOR has he got a BOAT in a warehouse, NOR has he got a business trip and 4 cellphones, lol... we're happy, believe you me... :D...)

Just going to miss you guys big time ... and any breakin news ... :( :(

Hi Annie!! :) I'm trying to get caught up here this morning too and :( to know you are leaving. I've never met anyone with such wit as you before - you must be an English language major! hehe. The one about the ducks in a row with the chick blew me away!!!

Like you I wish I could post more too today and I've been trying to speed read :eek: through the posts (which is making things worse)!! It's my daughter's birthday so I thought I should pay some attention to her this a.m.haha! Tons more to do today too!

ETA - Have a WONDERFUL vacation!!!! :blowkiss:

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Welcome Bellgardin :)
Have a good trip PSA :dance:

I like RC's theory about the job since that's been a point of interest for us. Add with it that Michele was talking about going part-time and he's then not so free with his finances. He gets a job allowing him to travel but then he'd be the primary income source. He may have been getting away with it by saying he was gambling.

Thanks for the wishes, strach ... lol... not a easy-flier, lemme tellyah

Y'know, first up I kinda thought "we....eee....ell..." ... but seems that this new job fitted in with JY's style quite well.

If that' the case, why kill the wife?

Custody?
Inheritance?
Freedom?

tsk, tsk ....

[Masissy]

Fran,

Thanks for the post. I too am working and it is hard to keep up. Boodie Boy, huh...well we now have a nickname!! So Michelle is rumored to have walked her friend to the car, wonder their take on this. Ambushed so there was no forced entry.

[scandi]

Dumb question, but does boodie mean just that :D Scandi

[raisincharlie]

Oh my! YOUR home town? Same as my dad's. In WW2 he was with the Naval escorts for both sides of the allies (serving on both US & UK flotilla). One day, they chanced upon CapeTown. Oh :( ... charlie ... Dad met my mom, 18 then, who'd JUST lost her bro to the war; working 2 jobs... one as hotel restaurant waitress - and evenings on the telephone (plug-in exchange) exchange operators desk which was qute something for women in africa back then. We (kids) have only TWO photos of them back then: mom was so pretty, dark-short-hair in shiny locks combed back off her face, typical of early 50's and a red cupid smile with that flawless pastel skin and very pretty brown eyes. Gosh: 50 odd years ago. He loved Africa. But indeed I'll have a "pint' for you, even though I can say I've not swallowed a whole beer in all my years (shared a couple, not had 'my own'., lol. Made up for it with wine, lol). Time passes quickly ... I feel ancient, LOL :D
Well nothing that fancy here, Dad was stationed at Lakenheath in the early 60s. Air Force base, which as I recall is about 60 or so miles ne of London. Not the romantic times for sure - but lucky for me, they met. Dad went to Vietnam for a couple of tours and we stayed in London. Don't remember much about it as I was only 7 when we returned to the States. Go back every couple of years, I really like London. Have had a few pints, it is better than American tiger peeee for sure but not really my cup of tea, literally.:D

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hi Annie!! :) I'm trying to get caught up here this morning too and :( to know you are leaving. I've never met anyone with such wit as you before - you must be an English language major! hehe. The one about the ducks in a row with the chick blew me away!!!

:blowkiss:

Jilly - blessing and kisses to you dau's b/day! Fab ... enjoy !!!


Lol ... for me? jilly tku so much. Ehem ... about the ONLY English Major I ever came close to was prolly one that arrested me for jay-walking across Piccaddilly Circus, flowers in hair, with HIP & psychadelic friends in the 80's, lolllll. But other than than that? ZERO... tku, I'll be back soon ... this is just a culmination of a loooong telephone chat ... and it may make the sun shine brighter for some .... little .... people, lol X (it's a children's charity event, lol)

Aggghhh! Nearly one am: gotta go sleep ...

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Well nothing that fancy here, Dad was stationed at Lakenheath in the early 60s. Air Force base, which as I recall is about 60 or so miles ne of London. Not the romantic times for sure - but lucky for me, they met. Dad went to Vietnam for a couple of tours and we stayed in London. Don't remember much about it as I was only 7 when we returned to the States. Go back every couple of years, I really like London. Have had a few pints, it is better than American tiger peeee for sure but not really my cup of tea, literally.:D

Lakenheath??? Lordie lord, I went there 98/99. They just had a HUGE murder case there, ya'know??? Lil girls .... ye4s. A predator .... Floh will know the case... :(

Sure thing, will order as specified! But.... will pass it forward and say it's from a "group of friends' in acknowledgement of co-compatriots fighting together! (Well, which is what life is all about) .... and while they celebrate and toast, I'll think and raise to: raisin and charlie ... and ... life :)

[strach304]

Ok listen up guys! I just passed a post over on ctv by a poster named athy and everyone just passed it but her theory fits with a lot of stuff we were throwing around. It's this;what if the fax, printout printed out when Michele powered it up after her friend left that night? As I said before the coach bag was for MM. We've heard there was an 11 o'clock call, Jason's not talking but now MM is. Wonder what she told LE about that and I bet Jason is too. That's why LE published that info to the media and specifically said she's cooperating and he's not.

[strach304]

If the above theory is correct then Michele would've started nosing into stuff and found out that night about Jason and MM so maybe that's why they took all the pics in the warrants. The wedding photos I figured may have been in frames and had blood on them but how about if she smashed them instead or hopefully over his head and has his blood on them. Yes Cassidy would've woken up and that would've been a perfect break in between to put the dog in with her and quiet her down and then we know the rest.

[close_enough]

did someone mention beer???? ;)
..my nephew picked up his daughter awhile ago & i headed to run a couple of errands & the store for beer was one of them, lol......i like beer :clap:

anyway, Polk...i hope i haven't missed you & that you'll sign on once more before you leave....i hope you have a nice safe trip...you'll be very missed, girl :blowkiss:

now to catch up a bit & see if i've missed anything....

[raisincharlie]

Have a great time on your trip PSA! :)

I have just been snoopin' the other board and that poster in the know is going out of town too! Is there somethin' you're not telling us? ;)

<snip>

Super Snooper,

Thanks for the info. Don't think I agree with a lot of it but who is to say. Since the news is out about the gf - I predict CTV will see an increase in posters from the area and on the edge of the case as some are definitely going to be raising questions now. They are in a bad spot and hopefully they will be able to cope, I would not want to be in their shoes.

I kind of think the co-conspirator is not exactly correct - it has been reported that MM is cooperating with LE - but I don't think that makes her a co-conspirator, just a gf who has decided she needs to come clean with LE. I must give LE a pat on the back for this one - they interviewed MM during the funeral time period - the affair may have been known shortly thereafter - they let her go and off she went to Fl - will be interseting to see what is on her computer that arrived from JY after MY was buried. As for who was pursuing who - it takes two to Tango - always has always will. Wonder what part of NO both of them don't seem to understand.

As for the dog coming in and out through the garage - if the garage bay door was partially open as they suggest, the dog would have been free to roam the street as the fenced yard is behind the garage and the pictures and aerials do not show one has to enter a fenced area to get into the garage. Not sure why this is such a hard concept to grasp - it is visible.

The comments by the sorority sisters about the marriage - that seems to coincide with the late bloomer Jason article. I think it very reasonable to assume the marriage wasn't exactly planned and not necessarily desired by JY, at least that is my opinion of the article - the sisters seem to confrm it.

JY leaving before the girlfriend arrived - would not surprise me - I think he did as well but time will tell.

[concernedperson]

If the above theory is correct then Michele would've started nosing into stuff and found out that night about Jason and MM so maybe that's why they took all the pics in the warrants. The wedding photos I figured may have been in frames and had blood on them but how about if she smashed them instead or hopefully over his head and has his blood on them. Yes Cassidy would've woken up and that would've been a perfect break in between to put the dog in with her and quiet her down and then we know the rest.

Good thinking. I was pondering the wedding pictures and why would they be taken. There was blood all over the room so the wedding pictures wouldn't stand out unless they were broken and LE was looking for forensic evidence from the perp.

[fran]

Ok listen up guys! I just passed a post over on ctv by a poster named athy and everyone just passed it but her theory fits with a lot of stuff we were throwing around. It's this;what if the fax, printout printed out when Michele powered it up after her friend left that night? As I said before the coach bag was for MM. We've heard there was an 11 o'clock call, Jason's not talking but now MM is. Wonder what she told LE about that and I bet Jason is too. That's why LE published that info to the media and specifically said she's cooperating and he's not.


That could definitely fit if MY already had a Coach bag!! Like SP and the Louis Vittan wallet, which we later learned Laci already had!

I think there may be more than just MM talking about boodie boy! ;)

JMHO
fran

[close_enough]

welcome bellgardin :)

& a happy birthday wish to your daughter, jilly:)

[fran]

If the above theory is correct then Michele would've started nosing into stuff and found out that night about Jason and MM so maybe that's why they took all the pics in the warrants. The wedding photos I figured may have been in frames and had blood on them but how about if she smashed them instead or hopefully over his head and has his blood on them. Yes Cassidy would've woken up and that would've been a perfect break in between to put the dog in with her and quiet her down and then we know the rest.


There has to be a reason they took the wedding pictures. Like you said, they may have been messed up somehow, which may have been an indication they were somehow involved in what was going on before the murder. Like you said, smashed or whatever. Thrown on the floor?

JMHO
fran

[Masissy]

Appears Ole Boodie Boy is gradually having his goose cooked.

[close_enough]

I'm trying to multi task here and not being very successful at any of it. No idea close. My opinion is this, from personal experience, traffic around Raleigh/Durham is not the greatest. If it were me, I would wait until at least 7 for traffic to move on along. Avoiding the traffic could mean an hour or more saved on the road depending on which way he was travelling. I'm sure he was well aware of this. I would also tend to beleive that he would want to spend as much time with Cassidy as possible if he was planning on being gone for the weekend. I always like to tuck the kids in bed if I am going to be gone for several days. I would think that it is a very good possibility that someone saw him that evening, AND WHAT CLOTHES HE HAD ON.

ok cool...thanks for your observations/opinions:)

[close_enough]

Good thinking. I was pondering the wedding pictures and why would they be taken. There was blood all over the room so the wedding pictures wouldn't stand out unless they were broken and LE was looking for forensic evidence from the perp.

hi CP:)

i also think this could be a reason LE took these pictures....

[close_enough]

i sure wish we'd hear some more news, ugh.....

[fran]

OK, so Jason leaves for his trip about 5:00, stops for dinner, arrives at his hotel about 9:00. After Michelle's friend leaves she finds the picture of the bag, talks to JY on the phone at 11:00 and there's an argument.

Michelle, perhaps suspecting boodie boy has been cheating, {swishes} a wedding photo off the table and goes up to bed, perhaps crying, just drops off to sleep still in her sweat outfit.

After the fight, Jason get PO'd, realizes he's in deep doodoo and drives three hours back home, it's now say 2:30. He enters the home, goes up to the bedroom and {{wham}}! A fight ensues but MY is killed, ending up on the floor.

JY cleans up somewhat, (himself especially), drives on back to his hotel, dropping off any evidence including the murder weapon.

He may have closed the dog in the garage while he did his deed and closed Cassidy's bedroom door too. Or, it sounds like Cassidy may have heard something and saw the fight and JY had to calm her down and get her back to sleep and clean himself up.

There's still time to get back to his hotel and get ready for his meeting.

Plausible, IMHO.

JMHO
fran

PS...He's now had a month to find out what Cassidy told LE and try to change her visions of that fateful night.........Where is Jason Young?

[raisincharlie]

Ok listen up guys! I just passed a post over on ctv by a poster named athy and everyone just passed it but her theory fits with a lot of stuff we were throwing around. It's this;what if the fax, printout printed out when Michele powered it up after her friend left that night? As I said before the coach bag was for MM. We've heard there was an 11 o'clock call, Jason's not talking but now MM is. Wonder what she told LE about that and I bet Jason is too. That's why LE published that info to the media and specifically said she's cooperating and he's not.
Strach,

I think it is a very good theory - logical and very possible.

Sorry if I get a bit anal here - LE published nothing - the media published this information. Anyone of us could walk into the Wake County courthouse, request these search warrant returns, pay for them and walk out. Warrants upon return become public record - LE did not slip them to anyone - they are all signed as being returned. LE has not named him a suspect or said he is uncooperative to a single media person.

Sorry, I felt the need to clarify this. I have a huge weak spot for LE.

[concernedperson]

Fran, your analogy of what could have happened is plausible. The only thing is if Michelle picked up the fax it wouldn't be in the printer any longer. JY asked Meredith to pick up the fax and if he had just blungeoned his wife to death it seems he would have discarded the fax. Oops, maybe LE hasn't been able to find the fax.

[scandi]

So I've never heard the expression boodie boy and it isn't in the dictionary. Does it imply ladies man?

I keep wondering why they wanted to see what all the photos were from both computers in Fl and also from the home. I would think they would be expecting something in particular to be included as subject matter, but for the life of me don't see what concern it would have to prove who did the murder or how it transpired or what happened in the aftermath. :waitasec:

[raisincharlie]

[QUOTE=fran]OK, so Jason leaves for his trip about 5:00, stops for dinner, arrives at his hotel about 9:00. After Michelle's friend leaves she finds the picture of the bag, talks to JY on the phone at 11:00 and there's an argument.


Fran,

Since you went snooping - I did too. JTF no longer exists at CTV. A search of the membership index shows no JTF and no posts by JTF although some of the posts remain in the threads. Any thoughts on this ? Does the member remove themselves or must the moderator do this ?

[fran]

Fran,

Since you went snooping - I did too. JTF no longer exists at CTV. A search of the membership index shows no JTF and no posts by JTF although some of the posts remain in the threads. Any thoughts on this ? Does the member remove themselves or must the moderator do this ?

I've never belonged over at ctv. I would think they were removed by the administrator.

That's not the person I've been watching though.

I've seen reference to this JTF but I don't know if I ever read any of their posts.

fran

PS..I did see a post by coldwater (moderator) and they said there was a thread removed because it was based on nothing but 'rumor' and it opened the poster up to liability......fran

[raisincharlie]

I've never belonged over at ctv. I would think they were removed by the administrator.

That's not the person I've been watching though.

I've seen reference to this JTF but I don't know if I ever read any of their posts.

fran
JTF was a super JY supporter any which way you can, very early on. That's why I thought it was odd they were gone. Seems like since the gf annoucement - supporters are disappearing and new ones are multiplying like rabbits. Something is happening I think. It might get very interesting. I know you are following RPD.

[fran]

So I've never heard the expression boodie boy and it isn't in the dictionary. Does it imply ladies man?

I keep wondering why they wanted to see what all the photos were from both computers in Fl and also from the home. I would think they would be expecting something in particular to be included as subject matter, but for the life of me don't see what concern it would have to prove who did the murder or how it transpired or what happened in the aftermath. :waitasec:

Hi scandi!
:doh: My bad! I misspelled the word!

It's 'booty' as in the movie 'Booty Call' :D

It's ehhh............a slang word........... :rolleyes:

fran

[scandi]

Charlie, I researched that about a week ago. I did find JTF's posts though - I remember reading them just after they were written - and they are now listed under JustThe Facts.

Yet, it showed 0 posts by JTF and that just isn't the case. He could delete his own posts I think, but to transfer them to another nic, that would have to take CW. She must have got a directive from the attorney on JTF's behalf, but then I would think they would have pulled all of his/her posts. This person did take a risk posting.

And this person also posted at Misfits. I caught notice that the first post written was under a different name - JustTheFacts I think - and then they became JTF for the rest of their posts. That's a blog, so I don't think they have a running list of members. I haven't even seen Joe posting, but maybe he has a different nic at CTV.

[strach304]

I'm thinking the 11 o'clock call was quite heated and for all we know Michele called him. The printout may have not been enough so I'm thinking those discs and camcorders, etc. Michele looked through herself. I think just like with Laci Michele may have known of another previous affair and after all is said and done here she is pregnant talking about going part-time, husband has a better paying job etc. and she finds out he having an affair with a good friend at that! I'd be real pi$$ed. Who knows what she may have threatened him with besides divorce. By most accounts this doesn't look like a guy who wanted to be married.

Explains why some aspects look preplanned and others don't. It was a rage killing and of course he had quite a bit to clean up and worry about getting out of there. Lots of stuff he didn't think to do and I bet whatever he hit her with is what's missing. Anybody know what time would have been stamped on the printer? When it actually printed or when it was sent?

[strach304]

Strach,

I think it is a very good theory - logical and very possible.

Sorry if I get a bit anal here - LE published nothing - the media published this information. Anyone of us could walk into the Wake County courthouse, request these search warrant returns, pay for them and walk out. Warrants upon return become public record - LE did not slip them to anyone - they are all signed as being returned. LE has not named him a suspect or said he is uncooperative to a single media person.

Sorry, I felt the need to clarify this. I have a huge weak spot for LE.


Ok sorry I'm being sloppy and yes you are anal :crazy:
I think LE let it get published and they sure did make the statement he's not co-operating but MM is. That oughta get him worried.

[raisincharlie]

I'm thinking the 11 o'clock call was quite heated and for all we know Michele called him. The printout may have not been enough so I'm thinking those discs and camcorders, etc. Michele looked through herself. I think just like with Laci Michele may have known of another previous affair and after all is said and done here she is pregnant talking about going part-time, husband has a better paying job etc. and she finds out he having an affair with a good friend at that! I'd be real pi$$ed. Who knows what she may have threatened him with besides divorce. By most accounts this doesn't look like a guy who wanted to be married.

Explains why some aspects look preplanned and others don't. It was a rage killing and of course he had quite a bit to clean up and worry about getting out of there. Lots of stuff he didn't think to do and I bet whatever he hit her with is what's missing. Anybody know what time would have been stamped on the printer? When it actually printed or when it was sent?
Both times will be logged - received time and the print time on the driver. For emails and faxes that I get- the print time/date is displayed on the print out. The communications program reveals received time., as well as date. I would think he would have a rather sopisticated program for a home office - the forensic persons will be able to find it.

[strach304]

Both times will be logged - received time and the print time on the driver. For emails and faxes that I get- the print time/date is displayed on the print out. The communications program reveals received time., as well as date. I would think he would have a rather sopisticated program for a home office - the forensic persons will be able to find it.

Great! I know they can check it for fingerprints too but if she was looking into stuff on the pc they'll know all that too. I think that fax is gonna be a big problem for him afterall and makes sense the media put out the story revealing MM because she is tied to it. They may already know of others but that's the key point he has to be worried about.
Sounded like the baby said daddy did it. :behindbar

[strach304]

If they have MM tied to that fax/printout you can bet that's why she's co-operating now. I think they would've automatically gotten the warrant anyway but if she didn't come forth willingly then I'm sure LE had no problem with scaring the crap out of her by threatening to charge her as an accessory or co-conspirator, whichever that would be.

[raisincharlie]

If they have MM tied to that fax/printout you can bet that's why she's co-operating now. I think they would've automatically gotten the warrant anyway but if she didn't come forth willingly then I'm sure LE had no problem with scaring the crap out of her by threatening to charge her as an accessory or co-conspirator, whichever that would be.
I don't know why but I think the fax/printout originated from MM. Haven't seen anything indicating that for some reason it is just in my brain she may be the sender. A cursory review of JY's computer would tell who it came from - seems to me the probable cause in the warrants reflects the emails and phone calls - this tells me LE has compiled a lot of data very quickly.

One thing nice about this is the timing of the warrant - I'm hoping there will be additional