Lamps Lamp Lamps Quiz

[Samiya]

I am curious :) (again,lol)

Answer these questions and see what we come up with....


A Do you have a bedside lamp?

B Is it on a bedside table or cupboard?

C Do you have a husband/wife/partner?

D Do your partners side of the bed have a small table or cupboard?

E Is there a lamp on it too?

D If your lamps are built in to the headboard would one or both of you have a lamp on your sides of the bed?

So in summary...

How many bedside lamps are in YOUR master bedroom?

Edited to add D :)

[Samiya]

A Yes
B Yes
C Yes
D Yes
E Yes

2

[j2mirish]

I am curious :) (again,lol)

Answer these questions and see what we come up with....


A Do you have a bedside lamp?

B Is it on a bedside table or cupboard?

C Do you have a husband/wife/partner?

D Do your partners side of the bed have a small table or cupboard?

E Is there a lamp on it too?

So in summary...

How many bedside lamps are in YOUR master bedroom?
we have 2 matching lamps in our master br--- but they are both ceramic, so there would be no death blows with ours---- how many folks have brass or "heavey " type of lamps?

[close_enough]

A - yes

B - bedside table

C - yes

D - bedside table

E - yes

2 bedside lamps in our bedroom

[raisincharlie]

Zero - small can lights are built into the headboard

There are two cupboards - one each side and attached to the headboard.

Yes, I have a wife

[Samiya]

Zero - small can lights are built into the headboard

There are two cupboards - one each side and attached to the headboard.

Yes, I have a wifeOk, for you hon another question....

You can ask your wife too and get her answer if you like..

If you didn't have lights built in, would one or both of you have a lamp on your sides? (I'm going to add this to the original question)

[raisincharlie]

Ok, for you hon another question....

You can ask your wife too and get her answer if you like..

If you didn't have lights built in, would one or both of you have a lamp on either side?
On both sides +2

[raisincharlie]

I know where you're going - tricky but excellent point ! :)

[strach304]

1. yes
2. yes
All the rest no. Besides the bed lamp there is another as you walk in the door that is a touch lamp. I do have a huge heavy floor size cast iron candle holder w/removable glass enclosure and huge candle. Lamps are glass and ceramic, the ceramic one at the bed is very heavy.

[j2mirish]

I know where you're going - tricky but excellent point ! :)
I am gonna bite, cause all the mb I have been around have a lamp and night stand on both sides---sooooooooooooooo where is it going?

[strach304]

I know where you're going - tricky but excellent point ! :)

Oh tell me, is one lamp missing? :banghead:

[raisincharlie]

Oh tell me, is one lamp missing? :banghead:

This is Samiya's baby - gonna let her run with it and keep my mouth quiet !

[j2mirish]

This is Samiya's baby - gonna let her run with it and keep my mouth quiet !
:cool: :cool: :cool:

[strach304]

This is Samiya's baby - gonna let her run with it and keep my mouth quiet !

You're no fun :p
ETA: never mind I think I know.

[Samiya]

This is Samiya's baby - gonna let her run with it and keep my mouth quiet !
No need to keep quiet.... lol fire away....

A possible missing lamp is only one aspect I'm looking at.

[scandi]

OK I'll bite:

A yes
B yes
C no
D yes
E yes, on my side no

2 lamps, one on table adjoining opposite side of bed from where I sleep, matching lamp across room on another table. Both have crystal base with gold leaves coming up to form a pineapple plant, with crystal hanging down at tip of each leaf and one matching crystal at top of lamp that is on the screw to attach lampshade.

Scandi

[strach304]

I already said one was missing but if he was choking her maybe she hit him with the lamp? She could have if they were fighting on the bed.

[LinetteH]

I have a lamp on my bedside but my husband does not. I read at night, he does not...

[scandi]

I heard at the very first something was missing, but never heard it was a lamp! WOW. There was blood on one lamp, as stated in the warrant. Why would he dispose of the other lamp if he left the other one with blood? Oh, because the one left with blood on it was cast off blood, and the one that was missing was a weapon and had broken?

Anything except logic that led you to that belief Strach?

[PrayersForMaura]

A Do you have a bedside lamp? YES

B Is it on a bedside table or cupboard? YES

C Do you have a husband/wife/partner? BOYFRIEND, YES

D Do your partners side of the bed have a small table or cupboard? EXACT SAME TABLE, YES

E Is there a lamp on it too? YES, MATCHING LAMPS ala Target!

D If your lamps are built in to the headboard would one or both of you have a lamp on your sides of the bed? N/A

So in summary...

How many bedside lamps are in YOUR master bedroom? TWO, and a third one across the room.

Edited to add D :)[/QUOTE]

[strach304]

I heard at the very first something was missing, but never heard it was a lamp! WOW. There was blood on one lamp, as stated in the warrant. Why would he dispose of the other lamp if he left the other one with blood? Oh, because the one left with blood on it was cast off blood, and the one that was missing was a weapon and had broken?

Anything except logic that led you to that belief Strach?

Personal experience ;)

[scandi]

:eek: Oh Strach, I would hate to ever see you in a life experience like that! I am so glad you are OK.

Were you the one weilding the lamp? :D Actually I will admit I did strike my 1st hubby over the ear with the hot iron I was using after he hit my young son. Got his ear, and that stopped all that nonscense. I was actually ironing at the time.

[strach304]

You betcha! :woohoo:
People used to ask me "is he really as nice as he seems?" and the "oh, he has such big beautiful blue bedroom eyes"
:croc:
oops, messing up Sami's thread :blushing: sorry

[Samiya]

You betcha! :woohoo:
People used to ask me "is he really as nice as he seems?" and the "oh, he has such big beautiful blue bedroom eyes"
:croc:
oops, messing up Sami's thread :blushing: sorry
**ahem**

You're allowed to mess up my thread :)

I'm busy writing up some stuff in Word to post in this thread :)

Hope ya got him a beauty!

I got my ex with a babies bottle. Full and right between the eyes from the other side of the loungeroom...lol guess he found out the hard way that not only do I have perfect vision, I have perfect aim.

[strach304]

We're a bunch of bada$$es, no? Thankfully they're all ex's and we're still here to tell about it. :)

[PolkSaladAnnie]

We're a bunch of bada$$es, no? Thankfully they're all ex's and we're still here to tell about it. :)

Lollll strach :D ....

Hi Sami - Yes to all and .... for your second "D", we don't have built-in lamps!

[scandi]

What a great threat Sami! And your idea about the lamp, sounds so plausible.

Shades of Deja Vu. This makes me wonder if Jason followed the SP case, what with the lamp or its cord, the husbands old faithful dog, the purse and murder in the middle of the night, Hmmmmmmm

[Samiya]

The point of this thread.

If a lamp is missing and it was on a bedside table, chances are is that it's cord would've been pulled from the wall and moved or upturned the bedside table which wouldn't be unusual in a homicide case, but it's cord may have left a mark in the wall as the lamp was swung to hit Michelle. You can control an item but you can't control any cordlike substance attached to it.

Was there one lamp or two?

One lamp was mentioned as having blood splatters (this is where blood pattern interpretation comes in). No mention of another lamp. The mentioning of one lamp doesn't necessarily mean that there was only one lamp or that one might be missing. The location of the lamp in the room would tell more (as will the patterning of the spatters on the wall).

If there are two lamps, one might not have been covered in spatters due to the perp being between the point of impact and the 'clean' lamp (this is also one of the reasons why I said early on that I believe she was found on the floor and that the attack may have occurred while she was out of the bed. The other reason was because Meredith couldn't roll Michelle over. If Michelle was on the bed, Meredith would've been able to roll her, RM or not).

If Michelle was attacked in her bed til her death, there would've been blood splatters on all pillows (first and secondary + spatters), the wall behind the bed and if there were two lamps, spatters would've been on both. Depending on how the weapon was swung, there would've been spatters on the roof (if swinging overhead, vertical) or arced (if swung around..horizontally) or even both. The amount of times she was hit can also be told in splatters as well as markings on her skull and other areas of her body.

Blood spatters are 'directional' they tell which direction, they came from and can also tell what 'speed' they travelled at to get there, as well as whether they were from the attack wounds on the victim or from the instrument used.

The kinds of weapons used also have their own tell tale signs in blood, as do wounds. Eg; a severed artery will spurt and arc.

Blood spatters are also 'positioning'. They can also give a great estimate of where the perp was standing due to a patterning of 'back spatters' if blood from the attack itself sprayed onto the perp and in the area behind him.

Now for Michelle. :( I only mention this because of the person who in ctv decided to post that '10 blows to the head' and because someone asked about Rigor Mortis here.

The first hit by a blunt instrument, even a hammer, will not at most times kill a person outright. There are certain areas of the head where this can happen but the perp would have to know those points. So from day one it was clear to me that Michelle suffered greatly (a distressing fact). It is also obvious that Michelle lived for a time possibly afterwards. It is true, for anyone wondering, that once the heart stops beating so does the blood stop pumping around the body. It begins Livor Mortis within minutes, then after around 2 to 3 hours Rigor Mortis begins and Algor Mortis (cooling) has begun by then as well.

The heart does not always stop beating first in death. Sometimes the lungs stop breathing first or the brain dies (or part of) and can no longer tell the body's organs what to do, beat, breathe etc.

A bit long and I'd better hit post before it becomes an epic but now you know where I was going with the quiz.

The 12 to 6am timeframe is within the estimate of a Prelim Autopsy....it makes me giggle that they're speculating as to why that time frame was chosen in which to ask if anyone saw anything. A 6 hour timeframe is not unusual. She may have been attacked at 12am and not actually died until around 6 am.

[Samiya]

And while I'm up playing alone.......

The suggestion of Meredith that Michelle was cold, twisted and 'heavy' means that Michelle's body was between 3/4 and full Rigor Mortis with Lividity AND Algor well set in, ...and only a small way into RM, Meredith would've been able to roll her over as Michelle's legs from her hip joints down would've straightened. I would think that the first area of Michelle's body touched by Meredith to be her upper arm when she tried to roll her, then her wrist as she tried to get a pulse.

On my blog (which I haven't posted a url to because it's not caught up with everything yet) I have estimated between 11:15pm Thursday and 3:35am Friday. This is based on the above in red.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hey Sami - the above two posts are great reading and most educational! Thank you!!! This para really stood out to me:

The 12 to 6am timeframe is within the estimate of a Prelim Autopsy....it makes me giggle that they're speculating as to why that time frame was chosen in which to ask if anyone saw anything. A 6 hour timeframe is not unusual. She may have been attacked at 12am and not actually died until around 6 am.

And also your comments about the blood spatter on the pillows. Didn't even think of that - which shows how valuable posters are here at W/S, bringing all details to the surface. Once we get the autopsy report, I'll bet much of what you wrote will dovetail.

You know I didn't stop to think about one weapon; not just a hammer (and/or something else)... but you've also brought in this info about the lamp ---> and the blood on the lamp. It's a pity we haven't got more details on this, or what the lamps looked like or weighed.

Could the blood mentioned have been spatter - or d'you think the lamp was also used???

Good stuff, Sami! :)

[Samiya]

Hey Sami - the above two posts are great reading and most educational! Thank you!!! This para really stood out to me:

The 12 to 6am timeframe is within the estimate of a Prelim Autopsy....it makes me giggle that they're speculating as to why that time frame was chosen in which to ask if anyone saw anything. A 6 hour timeframe is not unusual. She may have been attacked at 12am and not actually died until around 6 am.

And also your comments about the blood spatter on the pillows. Didn't even think of that - which shows how valuable posters are here at W/S, bringing all details to the surface. Once we get the autopsy report, I'll bet much of what you wrote will dovetail.

You know I didn't stop to think about one weapon; not just a hammer (and/or something else)... but you've also brought in this info about the lamp ---> and the blood on the lamp. It's a pity we haven't got more details on this, or what the lamps looked like or weighed.

Could the blood mentioned have been spatter - or d'you think the lamp was also used???

Good stuff, Sami! :)The blood on the lamp was referred to as spatter, same as blood on the walls. That part was a small 'synopsis' of the crime scene for the purpose of explaining why a SW was needed.

Note also, that some of those warrants are not for what they initially appear to be for. Where they say that no item has been confiscated, it means that they are already in posession of that item and the SW is needed to physically and/or digitally search those items that are listed. The items themselves would've been confiscated prior under another search warrant of in regards to the premises listed.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

The blood on the lamp was referred to as spatter, same as blood on the walls. That part was a small 'synopsis' of the crime scene for the purpose of explaining why a SW was needed.

Note also, that some of those warrants are not for what they initially appear to be for. Where they say that no item has been confiscated, it means that they are already in posession of that item and the SW is needed to physically and/or digitally search those items that are listed. The items themselves would've been confiscated prior under another search warrant of in regards to the premises listed.


Aaah, you're back - and I'm about to go, lol. Thanks, Sami. I felt there may be more S/W's we're not privvy to in total at this stage: what you say here makes sense. The house was sealed off for quite a while, so much examining had to be done in situ, I assume. I remember from Laci's case, LE took 99 bags of evidence - so this one was a thorough job.

I know Cassie was in and out - I wondered if she'd put her hands on the walls and smeared blood (or on the bedside tabe, etc). Would the spatter still leave it's original 'landing mark' if Cassie did touch anything later that morning?

Too sad to consider that a long torturous death may have been experienced by MY. Defies human logic, eh?

[Samiya]

Aaah, you're back - and I'm about to go, lol. Thanks, Sami. I felt there may be more S/W's we're not privvy to in total at this stage: what you say here makes sense. The house was sealed off for quite a while, so much examining had to be done in situ, I assume. I remember from Laci's case, LE took 99 bags of evidence - so this one was a thorough job.

I know Cassie was in and out - I wondered if she'd put her hands on the walls and smeared blood (or on the bedside tabe, etc). Would the spatter still leave it's original 'landing mark' if Cassie did touch anything later that morning?

Too sad to consider that a long torturous death may have been experienced by MY. Defies human logic, eh?
If Cassidy woke up several hours later, there would be a blood ring with a slide depending on how hard she put her hand on the wall of slid her hand on the wall. For Cassidy to track blood through the house it would have to be relatively fresh....within an hour or so. After that the tracked blood would have evidence of congealment, clot like features tracked with uncongealed blood.

For me, if Cassidy had awoken later, her concern would've been her mom. Any hand prints or smears she would've made would be on exit and re-entry to the bedroom.

As heartbreaking as the consideration that she was/came in the room during, at the end of the attack, or upon hearing the murderer exit the house it is something definitely to be considered as a possibility.

1 This would not have been a silent crime
2 Michelle would've screamed or cried at some point or even begged him to stop.
3 The sound of a body hitting the floor isn't exactly quiet,especially if she hit something while collapsing to the floor....the 'there's blood on the bed' may fit there too.
4 Now that I've studied the warrants better along with the time frame, it is possible that before she died Michelle could've called out to Cassidy to make sure and see for herself that she was ok.

If it was Jason....there are still well over 20 possible scenarios.
With someone else.....even more. I've already gone on the attempted sexual assault of Michelle angle and a Paedophile or kidnapping with Cassidy as the target. Both ended up right back to square one.....Jason

[close_enough]

very VERY interesting stuff Sami!....hmmm, something else 'hit me' while reading this.....

wonder if Michelle grabbed a lamp, during the struggle, & hit JY with it, & that's why a lamp MIGHT be missing????....maybe she got in one good whack with a lamp, at him....obviously not enough to really hurt him, but who knows??...maybe enough to cut him, so he had to take that lamp with him???

we know that ONE lamp had blood on it...could be the weapon, could simply be Michelle's blood spatter/splatter on it.....

real interesting....Meredith said the room just didn't look like it normally does....maybe at that point in the call she just didn't realize that a lamp was missing......

gosh Sami....lots more to think about now, hmmmmm

[Bee Charmer]

What a great threat Sami! And your idea about the lamp, sounds so plausible.

Shades of Deja Vu. This makes me wonder if Jason followed the SP case, what with the lamp or its cord, the husbands old faithful dog, the purse and murder in the middle of the night, Hmmmmmmm
I am astonished at items that are the same as in the
peterson case. All we need now is an ole wheezie running around with
an ironing board.....lol

O/T - Mrs. Rocha was on LKL last night, here is the transcript for
anyone who missed it.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0612/12/lkl.01.html

[raisincharlie]

And here I thought it would be something as easy as - only one lamp, she had already kicked his sorry backside out and into another room...:crazy:

[Taximom]

I wonder what kind of alarm clock they used. If she had already set it, it might have gone off in the morning and been loud enough to wake Cassidy if not turned off right away. Ours turns off automatically after being on "alarm" for an hour or so.

There wasn't a clock listed on the warrant, so I have to assume that it didn't "STOP" at the time of the murder. Rats.

I used to have my wedding pictures on the bedside table next to my lamp. I had to move them up higher when the babies started mouthing them. Anyway, I can see where MY's framed pics might have been moved/broken or spattered in a struggle, if she had them by that lamp. Maybe that's why they were taken.

It's so sad to think about MY's last moments. I bet she was just thinking of Cassidy the whole time.

I watched a documentary about Christie Brinkley recently and she said all she could think about during her helicopter accident was her daughter, Alexa. She just kept repeating her daughter's name over and over and willed herself to stay alive for Alexa.

Sorry to go O/T.

[Samiya]

And here I thought it would be something as easy as - only one lamp, she had already kicked his sorry backside out and into another room...:crazy:
Lol sorry hon :D I usually work that stuff on my computer but thought I'd share for once.

From what I can tell of Michelle, from reports and just looking at her photo, she would have been a pretty assertive woman who knew what she wanted in each stepping stone of her life and got it...if she wanted him out I think it'd be out the door, not to another room. She is so happy in every photo that I don't think she would tolerate infidelity from Jason imo. And I certainly would be surprised if she was playing around. Her life seemed to revolve around her family, especially Cassidy.

[SewingDeb]

A Do you have a bedside lamp? Yes
B Is it on a bedside table or cupboard? Bedside table

C Do you have a husband/wife/partner? Yes

D Do your partners side of the bed have a small table or cupboard? Yes

E Is there a lamp on it too? Yes
D If your lamps are built in to the headboard would one or both of you have a lamp on your sides of the bed? N/A
So in summary...

How many bedside lamps are in YOUR master bedroom? Two

[raisincharlie]

Lol sorry hon :D I usually work that stuff on my computer but thought I'd share for once.

From what I can tell of Michelle, from reports and just looking at her photo, she would have been a pretty assertive woman who knew what she wanted in each stepping stone of her life and got it...if she wanted him out I think it'd be out the door, not to another room. She is so happy in every photo that I don't think she would tolerate infidelity from Jason imo. And I certainly would be surprised if she was playing around. Her life seemed to revolve around her family, especially Cassidy.Just being my usual off the wall self luv. The thing that gets me the most and has me studying alot, is if one looks at this - they knew each other for a long time before the marriage. If the insiders are correct about JY, how he changed and the reputation he developed- I can't figure why such a woman as Michelle would have bothered with him - let alone marry him in the first place. She had to be aware of this (again assuming the insiders aren't blowing smoke) - I just can't figure that at all. It just doesn't compute for me.

Really thanks for the differing scenarios - when it comes to the gory details I am pretty worthless with respect to those thoughts. My imagination draws a blank when trying to reconstruct how things may have occurred - so I appreciate the theories. I tried really hard with the Vitale case to reconstruct in my mind how that happened - when listening to the DA's closing I found how very far from correct I was. I think my mind is actually very unwilling to go there.

ETA - I am hoping additional warrants will be released by the media - we certainly have seen but a small portion of the warrant related to the house itself.

[close_enough]

Just being my usual off the wall self luv. The thing that gets me the most and has me studying alot, is if one looks at this - they knew each other for a long time before the marriage. If the insiders are correct about JY, how he changed and the reputation he developed- I can't figure why such a woman as Michelle would have bothered with him - let alone marry him in the first place. She had to be aware of this (again assuming the insiders aren't blowing smoke) - I just can't figure that at all. It just doesn't compute for me.

Really thanks for the differing scenarios - when it comes to the gory details I am pretty worthless with respect to those thoughts. My imagination draws a blank when trying to reconstruct how things may have occurred - so I appreciate the theories. I tried really hard with the Vitale case to reconstruct in my mind how that happened - when listening to the DA's closing I found how very far from correct I was. I think my mind is actually very unwilling to go there.

ETA - I am hoping additional warrants will be released by the media - we certainly have seen but a small portion of the warrant related to the house itself.

same here RC (tapping my fingers on my desk)

[jilly]

Excellent work Samiya! I would love to know your theory as it how it all went down from the time JY left the house.

[Samiya]

Charlie,

Lol, you crack me up. I hardly think you're useless :D you're obviously better in other areas.....ahem look at all the work you did on the search warrants thread....

Close,

Going on the rage within the murder, if Michelle had been lucky enough to grab a lamp and given him a heave ho with it (and I'd hope it was a beauty), he would've grabbed it and either used it against her or more likely have thrown it it he had weapon in hand already. In that case, I hope he was also checked for any possible injuries, but that wouldn't matter as that particular lamp would have his DNA on it as well as possible skin and hair fragments.

I also noticed that Michelle had a good little set of fingernails she may have used too.

In regards to a fire poker being used, there is a photo if Michelle and Cassidy in front of their fireplace. The 'fire place' looks spotless so I'm thinking that it was never used as the house plans at the time that Michelle and Jason bought the property state that is has central heating.

Taximom,

How are you? All is 'clear' over here. He's back where he should be *phew*

Re alarm clock.....If Michelle is anything like me or most mom's we can set our alarm and the kids will still be up before it, lol. But they might have had one.

Scandi

I so love your typo. Had me cracking up with laughter at 2 am and I woke my son up who is still growling at me at 2:33am, lmao @ my 'great threat'

Speaking of 2:33, now 34 am, I suppose I'd better choof off to bed. waaah don't wanna coz then I miss heaps.

Ok, it's now 2:49am, lol

[laini]

I have a lamp on my bedside but my husband does not. I read at night, he does not...
Same in our bedroom.

[lisafremont]

A Do you have a bedside lamp?
YES

B Is it on a bedside table or cupboard?
NO

C Do you have a husband/wife/partner?
NO

D Do your partners side of the bed have a small table or cupboard?

E Is there a lamp on it too?

D If your lamps are built in to the headboard would one or both of you have a lamp on your sides of the bed?

MY LAMP IS ATTACHED TO THE INSIDE OF THE MURPHY BED CABINET. IT"S NARROW TO FIT IN THE SMALL SPACE BET. THE BED AND THE CABINET WHEN THE BED IS RAISED AND PUT AWAY.

I AM WILLING TO BET NO ONE ELSE WHO ANSWERS THIS QUIZ HAS A MURPHY BED, TOO!

So in summary...

How many bedside lamps are in YOUR master bedroom?

[jilly]

Nice to see you again Lisa! :)

[oceanblueeyes]

I just cant wrap my mind around a lamp being used if this was a premeditated murder. Usually lamps etc are used in a heat of passion murder because it is handy.

If Jason did this and imo he most likely did I just have a hard time visualizing a male using this kind of weapon. Seems like a lamp is more what a female may use.

But who knows. Are we even sure it was a lamp that bludgeoned her?

IMO

Ocean

[AlwaysShocked]

Two tall candlestick type lamps, one each on the tables on either side of my bed. Plus another tall candlestick lamp on a dressing table across from the foot of the bed. Oh, and plus a small "night light" type of glass shaded lamp on a dresser.

If Jason premeditated this murder, as I think he did, if feel he most likely used a heavy metal tool, such as a very heavy wrench or a hammer. Something he already had but felt would never be missed if he threw it away.

I would be interested in knowing if Jason had a tool bench in the basement or garage, and if he was known as a "handyman" type who did home repairs and would have had hand tools like wrenches and hammers. (I am talking about a larger type of pipe wrench here - like plumbers use, not a smaller wrench like you use to work on a car.)

If it was a hammer, you would think LE probably already has figured that out due to indentation marks. If a wrench or large mag flashlight, they might not be able to identify indentation marks.

[Samiya]

I just cant wrap my mind around a lamp being used if this was a premeditated murder.
IMO

Ocean
**snipped coz I talk alot, lol**<---said by Samiya, not Ocean :)

Hi Ocean,

I am not sure that a lamp was used by the perp either, whether Jason or someone else, which is why this quiz is here, and also because I do a lot of scenario work. And I have no idea if a lamp was used to kill Michelle.

The 'second lamp',if it existed, may have been grabbed and used in an attempt by Michelle to try and fend off her attacker, or it may have been used by the perp..either after taking it off Michelle when she tried to defend herself (In which case the rage implied would mean that it was probably grabbed from her and thrown somewhere in the room) or as a secondary weapon if the first went scuttling across the floor because his hands were slippery with blood.

For all we know, until LE confirm premeditational homicide by either Jason or an unknown, the only premeditation may have been Jason returning to 'have it out with Michelle (argue about something)' and it could've ended in Michelle's death. If that is the case, everything else afterward is simply a cover up job.

For example, in a premeditated strangulation....if the perp had her on the floor or the bed and she was fending him/her off during the attempted strangulation, there is a possibility of the perp reaching for the closest portable item that could do damage to his victim to stop her from stopping him in his quest.

I did notice discussions around about marks and swelling on her neck and apart from an attempted strangulation (or strangulation to end life) BFT to the back or sides of the head can also cause the swelling due to the build up of fluids (odema) and also bleeding into surrounding areas in the case of a branch of the Occipital artery being severed. Not all bleeding bleeds out of the body.

But in the meantime this helps keep us on track with another possibility in a river of many :) and if there were two lamps and one is missing, then LE would be wondering the same thing.

It wouldn't take long to identify the weapon used. Each weapon has it's own trademark pattern on skin, underlaying tissue and bone.

[angelmom]

A Do you have a bedside lamp? yes

B Is it on a bedside table or cupboard? yes

C Do you have a husband/wife/partner? husband

D Do your partners side of the bed have a small table or cupboard? yes

E Is there a lamp on it too? no - his is a floor lamp that matches mine

D If your lamps are built in to the headboard would one or both of you have a lamp on your sides of the bed? n/a

So in summary...

How many bedside lamps are in YOUR master bedroom? 2 - plus the mate to mine that is on the dresser across the room