Call me confused, re the FAX

[poco]

Would someone please clarify this for me -

So here he (JY) is out wherever he is - meeting, mothers, whatever, and he SENDS a FAX to his home that he doesn't want his wife to see - OR, was the FAX supposedly already lying there and he wanted MY's sister to retrieve it before she saw it -- supposedly it had something to do with a purse or a gift for MY!!!!

IMO, this is what puts the nail in his coffin!

[scandi]

Hi Poco :blowkiss: ,

Sheriff Harrison stated to Greta it was a fax.

An 'insider' at CTV {JTF} did a correctional post to clarify what was true, and said it was not a fax sent but rather a print out from the computer.

The warrant also stated it was a printout that was printed hours before she died and was found located in the printer's tray.


Anyone correct me if these facts are wrong. ;) Scandi

[poco]

Well I sure would like to know more about this - did he print it out from home - just exactly what was this "print out" - or was it really a FAX that was FAXed through the computer???

SOMEONE'S GOTTA KNOW - TELL ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[raisincharlie]

Hi Poco :blowkiss: ,

Sheriff Harrison stated to Greta it was a fax.

An 'insider' at CTV {JTF} did a correctional post to clarify what was true, and said it was not a fax sent but rather a print out from the computer.

The warrant also stated it was a printout that was printed hours before she died and was found located in the printer's tray.


Anyone correct me if these facts are wrong. ;) Scandi
The only change Scandi - the warrant says in the hours before she was found.

[raisincharlie]

:laugh:

Well I sure would like to know more about this - did he print it out from home - just exactly what was this "print out" - or was it really a FAX that was FAXed through the computer???

SOMEONE'S GOTTA KNOW - TELL ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Poco,

truth is - none of us really knows and certainly we all want to know.

[WhiteWolf]

A few stupid questions...How did Jason know he had a fax (or computer printout) waiting for him at the house? Did he talk to the sender on the day he sent Marredith to fetch it? When did he originlly request information about the subject of the fax/PO?

[raisincharlie]

A few stupid questions...How did Jason know he had a fax (or computer printout) waiting for him at the house? Did he talk to the sender on the day he sent Marredith to fetch it? When did he originlly request information about the subject of the fax/PO?Not stupid questions by any means WhiteWolf. Unfortunately we have no answer but if you care to entertain speculation based on what the "friends" have said the fax/PO was:

As to the first question - how did he know it was there -

It is possible that he could have been surfing the net from his hotel on a lap top, found the information, supposedly about a coach purse, and either forwarded it to his home computer or requested info from the website to be sent to his home.

Or he was the good boy and while out driving he spotted a coach purse outlet and stopped by - they could send a fax for him.

Or he was in contact with MM maybe the evening before who sent it to his email addy that morning. (Doesn't make much sense since he was going to Brevard to see his folks :crazy: - JMO of course)

Or he invented the print out while he was in the home in the hours before MY was found. (Lets hope he is this stupid if he killed his wife and baby)

Did he speak to the sender on Friday - good one - no idea unless it was MM and the rumor of a coach purse is true - then I would say yes he spoke to her Friday morning. If he was willing to use Meredith to find MY, he was willing to use MM to generate an excuse. JMO

ETA - if one thinks he killed his wife and baby - its possible. Who knows, he may only be guilty of being a cad.

[scandi]

The only change Scandi - the warrant says in the hours before she was found.


:doh: Sorry, that's what I meant to say. :D Scandi

[raisincharlie]

:doh: Sorry, that's what I meant to say. :D Scandi
Don't mind me Scandi - I have to make sure Strach is not disappointed by me failing to be anal :D :o

Just teasing with you Strach - honest !:)

[strach304]

:laugh: Don't mind me Scandi - I have to make sure Strach is not disappointed by me failing to be anal :D :o

Just teasing with you Strach - honest !:)

I'm just now seeing this, that is funny :woohoo:
Love Poco's kitty :blowkiss:

[philamena]

Did Jason send the fax to himself as part of his alibi? I'm still confused about the fax. Honestly, why on earth would he ask his SIL to retrieve a fax? Sounds like bs to me.

[scandi]

OMG, I saw that cat today, so drunk, sitting up against the wall like my cat used to do. Absolutely Hilarious! Scandi

[poco]

ETA - if one thinks he killed his wife and baby - its possible. Who knows, he may only be guilty of being a cad.

Seems like I've heard this "guilty of being a cad" before. Don't buy it. I think the FAX was a set up to CHA (cover his ass). A man with a mistress is a selfish, self-centered man, and I don't think for one minute he was searching the WEB or whatever for a gift for his wife. He had enough to do trying to keep his secret life covered. Sorry, Jason, but I think it was a cover up. And as far as being a cad, that word is simply too nice to call someone who would murder their pregnant wife and leave their 2 year old to wander the house alone, tracking in her mother's blood.

I hope we get to hear more about this fax, because this, IMO, is the icing on the cake.

I think he did it, but I could be wrong - remember, some of us thought the run away bride's husband-to-be (can't remember his/her names) was involved with her disappearance, but were wrong. I didn't think he did it, but I know others did.

This case has so many similarities to the Peterson case, too weird. From the gitgo with the Peterson case I had high suspicions about Scott and the same goes for this case with Jason - again, I could be wrong - it has happened once or twice in my life, lol!!!

[poco]

AND leave my drunk cat outta this, he has been hitting some AA meetings, so keep your fingers crossed - you may one day see him with a cup of coffee in his hands!

[Samiya]

AND leave my drunk cat outta this, he has been hitting some AA meetings, so keep your fingers crossed - you may one day see him with a cup of coffee in his hands!
I love the cat, lmao.

[raisincharlie]

Seems like I've heard this "guilty of being a cad" before. Don't buy it. I think the FAX was a set up to CHA (cover his ass). A man with a mistress is a selfish, self-centered man, and I don't think for one minute he was searching the WEB or whatever for a gift for his wife. He had enough to do trying to keep his secret life covered. Sorry, Jason, but I think it was a cover up. And as far as being a cad, that word is simply too nice to call someone who would murder their pregnant wife and leave their 2 year old to wander the house alone, tracking in her mother's blood.

I hope we get to hear more about this fax, because this, IMO, is the icing on the cake.

I think he did it, but I could be wrong - remember, some of us thought the run away bride's husband-to-be (can't remember his/her names) was involved with her disappearance, but were wrong. I didn't think he did it, but I know others did.

This case has so many similarities to the Peterson case, too weird. From the gitgo with the Peterson case I had high suspicions about Scott and the same goes for this case with Jason - again, I could be wrong - it has happened once or twice in my life, lol!!!
Poco,

I simply couldn't resist adding the tongue in cheek comment about the cad issue. I too think the fax was an after thought designed for CYA. JMO

[Samiya]

I do have to laugh at the 'coach purse'. I can think of better things to buy a mistress.

And even if the above is true and even if MM never got found out by LE...wouldn't her hubby "be a wonderin justa whare ees missus gotta new flish spensive perse from"?

[WhiteWolf]

Not stupid questions by any means WhiteWolf. Unfortunately we have no answer but if you care to entertain speculation based on what the "friends" have said the fax/PO was:

As to the first question - how did he know it was there -

It is possible that he could have been surfing the net from his hotel on a lap top, found the information, supposedly about a coach purse, and either forwarded it to his home computer or requested info from the website to be sent to his home.


WW--Well, if Jason did this, he should have told the sender to wait until he was home to receive the fax/PO or he would call back later.


Or he was the good boy and while out driving he spotted a coach purse outlet and stopped by - they could send a fax for him.


WW--Same here as above. No need to risk Michelle getting the fax/PO.


Or he was in contact with MM maybe the evening before who sent it to his email addy that morning. (Doesn't make much sense since he was going to Brevard to see his folks :crazy: - JMO of course)

WW--Same as above again. Logically, If Jason spoke to MM, he would have told her not to send the fax/PO until he was home from his business trip. This would work if Jason was using MM to give him an excuse to tell Meredith to go to the house to get the fax/PO.

Or he invented the print out while he was in the home in the hours before MY was found. (Lets hope he is this stupid if he killed his wife and baby)

WW--This works if he didn't want to risk using someone else or if he thought of it in the spur of the moment.

Did he speak to the sender on Friday - good one - no idea unless it was MM and the rumor of a coach purse is true - then I would say yes he spoke to her Friday morning. If he was willing to use Meredith to find MY, he was willing to use MM to generate an excuse. JMO

WW--I agree.

Thanks for answering my questions. I had the same thoughts as you before I asked the questions, and you brought out the same points I'd thought about.

As you can see, there was no legitimate reason for there to be a fax/PO sent to their house while Jason was away on business, UNLESS he wanted it to come that day as an excuse to send Meredith to find Michelle's body and Cassidy.

ETA - if one thinks he killed his wife and baby - its possible. Who knows, he may only be guilty of being a cad.


WW--LOL Just like SP.

[Samiya]

As you can see, there was no legitimate reason for there to be a fax/PO sent to their house while Jason was away on business, UNLESS he wanted it to come that day as an excuse to send Meredith to find Michelle's body and Cassidy.
Precisely...

Another scenario I've been working on.....

Also have to wonder if MM didn't have a hissy fit and send it across to inform Chelle of what had been happening behind her back though....specially if she ran out of patience waiting for Jason to leave Chelle....or Jason told her in no uncertain terms that he will not leave his wife for her or that she's just a 'piece of fluff'...or it may have been a one off and MM is one of those 'he shagged me once, he totally loves me and will leave her for me' kind of women. She may have been blackmailing him and threatening to tell Chelle for the past month or more.

In that case, MM would've sent the fax/email/printout on Thursday night during her hissy fit and Chelle may have picked it up, read it and put it on the printer to discuss with her 'loving husband' when he returned after she rang him at around 11pm and abused him.

That would give him a good reason to backtrack and kill her because by the time he got back he would've been fuming at both Michelle's. If step daddy is adamant about him having a lawyer, imagine what he would've been like with the 'scandal' of what had been going on for the past 3 months between Jason and MM. If they (mom and stepdad) are prominant members of their community in Brevard, that could been seen to be damaging to their reputation of 'fine church going citizens' and imagine stepdad's fury at Jason over such a scandal.

Anyway, just a thought that was in here :behindbar

[poco]

Again, too many similarites with the Peterson case - too creepy - coach purse and Louis Vuitton (I think it was) wallet????

I should start writing down the similiaries as I think them - there have been so many that hit me in the face (geez, I'm black and blue and my hubby is going to wonder what I was up to).

[Bobbisangel]

I think that Jason arranged to have a fax or something sent and then he contacted his sister-in-law asking her to go pick it up, etc, etc. He wanted to make sure that Michelle's body was found while he was supposed to be out of town so that it would put him in the clear...he thought. Maybe the baby was an after thought and he knew that the sister-in-law would take the baby home with her and take care of her. Seems he didn't mind killing the baby's mother and leaving the baby there alone with her to wander around for how ever long it was. Guys like this should get the death penalty.

I can't remember what state this took place in but...will he get charged for killing the baby (fetus) too? I sure hope so.

[raisincharlie]

I think that Jason arranged to have a fax or something sent and then he contacted his sister-in-law asking her to go pick it up, etc, etc. He wanted to make sure that Michelle's body was found while he was supposed to be out of town so that it would put him in the clear...he thought. Maybe the baby was an after thought and he knew that the sister-in-law would take the baby home with her and take care of her. Seems he didn't mind killing the baby's mother and leaving the baby there alone with her to wander around for how ever long it was. Guys like this should get the death penalty.

I can't remember what state this took place in but...will he get charged for killing the baby (fetus) too? I sure hope so.
Bobbisangel,

Near As I remember in all the discussions here, NC does not have a fetal homicide law. As such, the perp will be charged with the murder of Michelle but not the baby she was carrying.

[raisincharlie]

Precisely...

Another scenario I've been working on.....

Also have to wonder if MM didn't have a hissy fit and send it across to inform Chelle of what had been happening behind her back though....specially if she ran out of patience waiting for Jason to leave Chelle....or Jason told her in no uncertain terms that he will not leave his wife for her or that she's just a 'piece of fluff'...or it may have been a one off and MM is one of those 'he shagged me once, he totally loves me and will leave her for me' kind of women. She may have been blackmailing him and threatening to tell Chelle for the past month or more.

In that case, MM would've sent the fax/email/printout on Thursday night during her hissy fit and Chelle may have picked it up, read it and put it on the printer to discuss with her 'loving husband' when he returned after she rang him at around 11pm and abused him.

That would give him a good reason to backtrack and kill her because by the time he got back he would've been fuming at both Michelle's. If step daddy is adamant about him having a lawyer, imagine what he would've been like with the 'scandal' of what had been going on for the past 3 months between Jason and MM. If they (mom and stepdad) are prominant members of their community in Brevard, that could been seen to be damaging to their reputation of 'fine church going citizens' and imagine stepdad's fury at Jason over such a scandal.

Anyway, just a thought that was in here :behindbar
Samiya,

Something just absolutely slapped me in the face. From the search warrants and searching out the Denver information - JY was not at home on their anniversary - he was in Denver. This I think pretty much eliminates all speculation about the purse being an anniversary present because I would think MY would let it be known to him before he left for Denver that their anniversary was while he was gone. I think this excuse provided by the insiders can be ruled - hogwash.

[scandi]

Hi Sami,

If MM sent that faxed print out, she did it only hours before the body was found, as stated in that warrant. It was plan B for the killer I think, since he had no calls about her being found yet and Cassie was there running loose.

I've been thinking about your post though. I can't see JY driving 2-3 hours to set up an alibi if he planned to drive back to the house and kill her. The alibi would only hold for the time of day that he checked in, as after that he could have driven anywhere.

I think he called her at 11 to see if she had any reservations about his leaving baggage and all, didn't she miss him? LOL And that is when she read him out and said things he didn't want to hear that would be a big threat to his future lifestyle.

I learned that in the SP case. Killers most often strike at the person who stands in their way of what they perceive as their happiness. If Michelle threatened to expose something about him that might cause his co to let him go, turn his family or friends against him and keep him from the playboy lifestyle, he could figure this woman is a danger and she isn't going to keep me from anything I want.

Scandi

[Bobbisangel]

Bobbisangel,

Near As I remember in all the discussions here, NC does not have a fetal homicide law. As such, the perp will be charged with the murder of Michelle but not the baby she was carrying.



I don't understand this. I remember when Laci's mom Sharon really pushed for this law and President Bush signing it. It was on the news and showed Sharon and some others there while he signed the bill. Well beings the president signed the bill shouldn't that mean that it covers every state now? I know that when Sharon R was pushing for this bill California already had this law so I just assumed that when the President signs then that means every state now has it.

[Samiya]

Samiya,

Something just absolutely slapped me in the face. From the search warrants and searching out the Denver information - JY was not at home on their anniversary - he was in Denver. This I think pretty much eliminates all speculation about the purse being an anniversary present because I would think MY would let it be known to him before he left for Denver that their anniversary was while he was gone. I think this excuse provided by the insiders can be ruled - hogwash.
Lol I just found this post and Scandi's below :bang:

(BTW, my above scenario lasted two and a half pages before it caved in on itself. I think MM would be the kind of person to either speak to Chelle on the phone if she was going to tell her anything or do it in person in private. But I doubt she would ever have told Chelle at all,so another scenario bit the dust, except it took a bit longer. I just couldn't remember where I posted it so I could add that in).

RE your post: I have to agree there. And that's a big hog to wash hon, lol.

Scandi, sorry I missed your post too hon :(

In setting up alibi's, people with an intent of murder will go to amazing lengths to cover their own backsides, as you've seen already with the SP case.

I have files on men who have driven over thousand mile 'round trips' to murder a spouse/ex spouse when they're supposed to be on 'business trips', which is why some of my scenarios seem way off in regards to travelling and murders. It depends on the amount premeditation involved and if Jason is guilty he may have been planning it for weeks or months prior (one of my files is on a man who planned for over a year to kill his wife and children) and just waited for 'the perfect opportunity'. Or it can be a last minute rage....head off and double back as soon as 'the coast is clear'....which in this case could be after an 11pm phone call. We don't know as yet how far away he was 'if' he rang Chelle at that time...but I'm sure interested in those cell phone records.

Did Cassidy hear the printer? The office/den is located upstairs in the house so chances are she may have heard it, not that the poor honey could tell anyone what time it was :( .....Heard it and went into the office to see what the noise was (one possible cause of some of the bloody footprints, so I'm interested in whether there were some in the office belonging to her) or heard it but was preoccupied with mom on the floor.

Another question I'd like to know the answer to is "Did MM know that Jason was away on a business trip if she was the one who sent the document"

If she knew he was away and if he asked her to send that document, did she wonder why he wanted it sent to the house? Or was she supposed to send it Thursday before he left?

I'm posting a separate post about the printer :)

Hugs for any chilly peoples!
Sami

[raisincharlie]

Lol I just found this post and Scandi's below :bang:

<snip>
Another question I'd like to know the answer to is "Did MM know that Jason was away on a business trip if she was the one who sent the document"

If she knew he was away and if he asked her to send that document, did she wonder why he wanted it sent to the house? Or was she supposed to send it Thursday before he left?

I'm posting a separate post about the printer :)

Hugs for any chilly peoples!
SamiSami

Of course I have to say something...as to the fax/printout, in my mind there are only two people who could have sent it if it turns out to be what the insiders are claiming it to be -about a purse. If so, JY could have sent it himself either via a lap top or from the browser on his phone. MM could have sent it if he spoke with her that morning and told her MY was at work and he would be home before her. I'm not sure JY has an actual place of business to go to work at every day - I think he works more from home so I doubt MM would even give it a second thought. She could have sent it on her own without any prompting but that seems doubtful IMO.

Depending on the outcome of how and why she sent it may have been one more reason for LE to put another check next to JY's name as a suspect. If he told her to do this -and LE knows he didn't go home but to Brevard instead, well the check mark is red. If she did it on her own, and it is obvious JY knew it was sent since he sent MF to get it, it doesn't look quite so bad and maybe he only gets a black check. If JY sent it himself, knowing he was going to Brevard, he still gets a red check. The thing MM should be asking herself is how the heck it got printed out and did she know it would be printed out when she sent it. I suspect not, and the forensic analysis of Jy's hard drive will tell when :

the computer was set to auto print - if it was
the computer was keyed by remote initiation to print - if it was
the computer was keyed to print at the computer direct - if it was

The only one that gets a black check is if the computer was set to auto print during a time period before JY left for his trip Thursday night. If after or either of the remaining two - JY gets a big red check. If MM sent it, her hard drive will serve to back up and support the answers obtained concerning the above or define it if the above cannot be ascertained. JY is not as smart as he has lead himself to beleive IMO.

Then again the thing could be related to something to do with business - but if so - another big red check for JY - no reason for MF to get it so MY would not see it. Pure bs - huge red check.

[Samiya]

Of course you have to say something :) ....and of course I love hearing from ya, lol I don't feel so lonely now :) drats on the time differences!

Thanks for that, you've saved some of my braincells :) lol

I've still got another thing to check up on so I'm off back to reading the warrants for a moment or 10.

Thanks hon, my brain cells love ya!

Sami

[strach304]

Sami, another thing to take into account with this particular case, if it was premeditated he very well may have had a timeframe in mind because she was pregnant.