View Full Version : Bakersfield High School Teacher Duct Tapes Student
ihadcabinfever
12-13-2006, 07:17 PM
BAKERSFIELD, Calif. -- According to Kern High School District officials, a local student was duct taped by his teacher last week when he failed to follow his teacher's request to stop interrupting class.
According to school officials, the young man was making noises with his mouth and hands when his teacher, Carol Humphrey, warned him to behave. After failing to comply with his teachers request, Humphrey proceeded to put duct tape over his mouth and fingers.
John Teves of the Kern High School District said Humphrey thought it would be funny to address the boy ' s disruptiveness by using the tape. Fellow classmates laughed at the situation and took cell phone pictures, but officials said the boy was not amused.
Humphrey asked the boy to stay after class to help him remove the tape, but the young man reported the incident to school officials instead.
Officials said she has been working with the district for more than 30 years, and they have never had any disciplinary problems with her.
While the case is not considered a criminal matter, Humphrey was placed on administrative leave and will not return to class until the school investigation is complete.
He was probably making farting noises. Maybe the teacher doesn't know you can't get duct tape off very easy. She's never had a problem in 30 years. Maybe it's time she retires and the kid go to the VP office. LOLOLOLOLOLOL
BhamMama
12-13-2006, 08:11 PM
Ohhh they may not have had problems with her but you can bet some parents may have. I do believe I'd have to return the favor and hope it pulled some skin off of her if she dared to do that to my child.
Mr. E
12-13-2006, 09:41 PM
Why didn't she just send him to the principal's office?
hipmamajen
12-13-2006, 11:15 PM
When I was in elementary school (in the late 70's) I had my mouth taped shut at times, and also they'd put a box on my desk so I couldn't see any other students and therefore had to concentrate on my work. I was a bit "chatty" if you couldn't guess.
I thought we were done using painful and shaming methods of getting students to comply?
Obviously she had to do something, but this seems awfully over the top.
beakiebean
12-14-2006, 10:11 PM
I don't know-this kid is in high school-you'd think he'd have learned to sit down and shut up by now. He didn't have any problem talking while the teacher was teaching but couldn't open his mouth and say-no I don't want duct tape on my mouth?
If this was a 6 year old I'd feel bad but when you're in high school you ought to be able to behave properly in class. If it were my kid I'd probably tell him he got what he deserved for not listening to the teacher and make him apologize for disrupting the class. But that's just me-as my 2 year old will tell you I'm the meanest Mommy in the world.
Becca
j2mirish
12-14-2006, 10:47 PM
:laugh: :laugh:
I don't know-this kid is in high school-you'd think he'd have learned to sit down and shut up by now. He didn't have any problem talking while the teacher was teaching but couldn't open his mouth and say-no I don't want duct tape on my mouth?
If this was a 6 year old I'd feel bad but when you're in high school you ought to be able to behave properly in class. If it were my kid I'd probably tell him he got what he deserved for not listening to the teacher and make him apologize for disrupting the class. But that's just me-as my 2 year old will tell you I'm the meanest Mommy in the world.
Becca :clap: (http://websleuths.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=7#)
txsvicki
12-14-2006, 11:32 PM
My grandson's teacher turned me into CPS last year using a duct tape incident as an excuse to include the fact that we hadn't put him on ritalin stimulant for ADD which she and the whole bunch thought he should be taking. It's not legal to turn someone in for not giving these medications and no one can force it on a person. This woman had to grill and badger my grandson to even remember my husband just threatening to put duct tape on one of their mouths for throwing a screaming temper tantrum. I'm glad this is the only thing he could even think of that we might have done, but if I can be turned in for just mentioning duct tape but not using it, why can't this teacher be turned into CPS? Not a thing will be done to her. She's getting a nice vacation.
Pepper
12-14-2006, 11:53 PM
I don't know-this kid is in high school-you'd think he'd have learned to sit down and shut up by now. He didn't have any problem talking while the teacher was teaching but couldn't open his mouth and say-no I don't want duct tape on my mouth?
If this was a 6 year old I'd feel bad but when you're in high school you ought to be able to behave properly in class. If it were my kid I'd probably tell him he got what he deserved for not listening to the teacher and make him apologize for disrupting the class. But that's just me-as my 2 year old will tell you I'm the meanest Mommy in the world.
Becca
Becca I like your style. That is exactly what I would have said and done! :D
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lymom3
12-15-2006, 12:05 AM
I am not taking up for the teacher and I don't know whether that is a generally good teacher or a bad one. Certainly you would hope he could find a different way to deal with that child but at the same time I think the kid got what he deserved. He was repeatedly asked to stop and didn't. We aren't talking about a grade school kid; this was a conscious effort on his part to disrupt the class and piss the teacher off. If the teacher is fired or severly disciplined, that child will learn that you can treat authority figures any way that you want and no one will have the guts to correct you or make you behave appropriately. If the school stands behind the teacher, maybe that kid will think before he opens his big mouth again. Maybe he might be worried that there will be a consequence for his action....(Going to the principals office doesn't actually count as a consequence; that's a badge of honor and a desired result of his behavior).
I have an ADHD child and I know how exasperating it can truly be for me to deal with that, let alone be a teacher with 25 kids added to it. Not saying at all that the child involved has ADHD or that there couldn't have been some better answer but with the instigator that won't quit there aren't a whole lot of things that will make him quit. Clearly time at the principal's office getting a free pass from a class that he obviously doesn't like is not much of a deterrent. Just the flip side of the coin from me...just my opinion, right or wrong.
MacPlus512
12-15-2006, 01:16 AM
We had a duct tape incident at my high school during my freshman year. Back then there was no ban on hazing. A senior on the drum line duct taped a freshman to the flagpole when he wasn't performing to expectations. I think he just got a few detentions of the whole thing, but the school banned hazing of any kind the next week (this was April 2002, long after many other high schools seemed to have banned it).
Starting my junior year we had a probation officer on duty in the school. In the special ed room (in particular the emotional support one) they seemed to use this guy to deal with problems from time to time. Not sure if he would have taken care of one like the duct tape problem we mentioned, although our school also had another policeman who addressed the entire band on the subject of hazing after the duct tape incident and also was on grounds most of the day (he was also my DARE officer in middle school).
Pandora
12-15-2006, 08:28 AM
Ya know, I taught high school for eleven years. Dealing with noisy kids goes w/ the territory. When I had students who liked to make noises (as described in the article) and they wouldn't stop, they became my "story helpers." I would read aloud and point to them when I got to a certain sound and they had to make the noise. They had to pay attention or everybody laughed at them for getting the noise wrong and everyone enjoyed the story more.
For example, stories about King Arthur include:
horses clippity clop/neighing/snorting
schwing, schwing of swords clashing
grunting and heavy breathing
dying noises
etc. . . .
Sometimes I'd give everyone in the class a noise to make--it works great and the "kids" are involved. I used this w/ 10th - 12th grades w/ great success in special ed classes all the way up to honors.
There are easy ways to deal with students without degrading them or yourself. I wish more teachers would understand that!
sleuthin4fun
12-15-2006, 08:48 AM
I don't know-this kid is in high school-you'd think he'd have learned to sit down and shut up by now. He didn't have any problem talking while the teacher was teaching but couldn't open his mouth and say-no I don't want duct tape on my mouth?
If this was a 6 year old I'd feel bad but when you're in high school you ought to be able to behave properly in class. If it were my kid I'd probably tell him he got what he deserved for not listening to the teacher and make him apologize for disrupting the class. But that's just me-as my 2 year old will tell you I'm the meanest Mommy in the world.
Becca
I agree with you. Poor little high schooler!!!! Behave in class shut your mouth and this would not be an issue. I have teenagers by the way.
sleuthin4fun
12-15-2006, 08:50 AM
Ya know, I taught high school for eleven years. Dealing with noisy kids goes w/ the territory. When I had students who liked to make noises (as described in the article) and they wouldn't stop, they became my "story helpers." I would read aloud and point to them when I got to a certain sound and they had to make the noise. They had to pay attention or everybody laughed at them for getting the noise wrong and everyone enjoyed the story more.
For example, stories about King Arthur include:
horses clippity clop/neighing/snorting
schwing, schwing of swords clashing
grunting and heavy breathing
dying noises
etc. . . .
Sometimes I'd give everyone in the class a noise to make--it works great and the "kids" are involved. I used this w/ 10th - 12th grades w/ great success in special ed classes all the way up to honors.
There are easy ways to deal with students without degrading them or yourself. I wish more teachers would understand that!
Very Creative!
4Angels
12-15-2006, 09:17 AM
I don't know-this kid is in high school-you'd think he'd have learned to sit down and shut up by now. He didn't have any problem talking while the teacher was teaching but couldn't open his mouth and say-no I don't want duct tape on my mouth?
If this was a 6 year old I'd feel bad but when you're in high school you ought to be able to behave properly in class. If it were my kid I'd probably tell him he got what he deserved for not listening to the teacher and make him apologize for disrupting the class. But that's just me-as my 2 year old will tell you I'm the meanest Mommy in the world.
BeccaYou bet your bottom dollar I'd have said the same thing to my kid.
My son, who has ADHD, has been told by the prinicipal that if he doesn't get it together he's gonna put his shoe up my son's arse. My son came home saying "the prinicpal threatened" him. Good. I told my son, "Oh yeah. Well I told Mr. XXXX to go ahead if you disrupted the class again." (my son and another kid were smacking each other with rulers). My son's in 8th grade. He knows better.
Yeah, let's call the authorities on her. That'll solve everything. The real problem is these children fear nothing. Why should they? Parents and teachers are threatened continuously. What does that teach the kid? That if they act up the adult gets in trouble? Then they turn around and behave the EXACT same way again. Then it's why don't these parents/teachers get control of the kid?
It took her 30 years to break? How much of a disruption was he? A MAJOR one obviously. How about they focus on that. Where are the headlines that say, "Teacher with 30 years of experience risks job and reputation over a rotten student!" Where are those headlines? No he's the victim. OF WHAT! Duct tape? Here's a headline, "Male student acts like little girl over duct tape because he didn't get his way!"
They're both equal victims here. Both are victims of HIS behavior. She just tried to resolve it. Maybe not in the way I would personally like, but this is an older woman who goes back to the days of an old fashioned butt whooping. And that is EXACTLY what he deserves for:
A. Disrupting Class, and
B. Acting like an immature baby about the entire incident
And yes, if it was my kid I would've told him sit down and shut up next time. I would've called the teacher and asked her next time to send him to the office instead trying to argue with him. AND then I would've made my son go back and apologize for acting up. What happened to people being able to resolve things between each other? Are we incapable of this anymore? Then we act shocked our kids have no people skills as young adults.
He's in high school. He should know better.
/rant off :D
Mr. E
12-15-2006, 10:15 AM
Ya know, I taught high school for eleven years. Dealing with noisy kids goes w/ the territory. When I had students who liked to make noises (as described in the article) and they wouldn't stop, they became my "story helpers." I would read aloud and point to them when I got to a certain sound and they had to make the noise. They had to pay attention or everybody laughed at them for getting the noise wrong and everyone enjoyed the story more.
For example, stories about King Arthur include:
horses clippity clop/neighing/snorting
schwing, schwing of swords clashing
grunting and heavy breathing
dying noises
etc. . . .
Sometimes I'd give everyone in the class a noise to make--it works great and the "kids" are involved. I used this w/ 10th - 12th grades w/ great success in special ed classes all the way up to honors.
There are easy ways to deal with students without degrading them or yourself. I wish more teachers would understand that!
This is a great idea. Do you mind if I steal it to use in my 11th grade classes? They're college prep English; this sounds like it would definitely keep them engaged.
2sisters
12-15-2006, 10:19 AM
It is hard work being a teacher. You get paid squat to put up with smart mouthed, know it all brats all day who undermine you and don't listen to anything you say (not all kids are like that before anyone gets mad) Then after dealing with them, you have to deal with their parents whining and complaining b/c suzie is failing and you sent johnny to the office. their kids never do anything wrong. If you discipline a black student you are called in by his parents for being racisit. If a male teacher failing a female it got to be that you are sexist. It is never the kids fault. i say good for the teacher for doing this. She was probably at wits end and had enough of this kid. Maybe it's time we got back to embarassing kids into behaving. Maybe its time for some accountability on the kids part and the parents part. Your kids suffer daily b/c of all the disruptions by kids like him. Kids like this deprive yours of an education. Always remember that.
Mr. E
12-15-2006, 10:26 AM
I wanted to add:
Where I teach there was a similar incident last year. I don't want to go into too many details, but I will say the incident included a marker (washable), the student's face, and a written suggestion to sit down and be quiet. The teacher was suspended. The student continued to disrupt class when she returned.
I still think it's a poor choice, but I can see how a teacher who gets no support from administration or parents would get frustrated and take drastic measures. A high school student should be able to conduct him/herself in class appropriately, but kids today...you just don't know until you've been there.
I get more frustrated at parents than at students. Students, even juniors and seniors, are still children who are being taught how to live in the world. Many parents now are very unwilling to let their kids take responsibility for their own actions, citing how Junior would never lie or steal or cheat or cuss, so the teacher must be picking on him/her or making up stories about their precious baby. Kids make mistakes and poor choices, and they do lie and steal and cheat and cuss, but if parents don't let the kids take responsibility, the kids learn nothing.
GlitchWizard
12-15-2006, 10:32 AM
Duct tape fixes everything - even mouthy, disobeying children!
The duct tape mostly used today doesn't hurt coming off the skin like duct tape of old used to. I know, because I use it on my boyfriend sometimes. It's not as "sticky".
2sisters
12-15-2006, 10:35 AM
Duct tape fixes everything - even mouthy, disobeying children!
The duct tape mostly used today doesn't hurt coming off the skin like duct tape of old used to. I know, because I use it on my boyfriend sometimes. It's not as "sticky".Gitch, I think your duct tape exploits with the boyfriend are for a different forum! Lol!:blushing:
julianne
12-15-2006, 10:38 AM
I agree about parents not teaching the kids responsibility.
This teacher made a bad choice. Period. I understand what she's up against, trying to teach and being continually distracted, but it's still a bad choice. If it was my kid, I'd say discipline him all you want, and I would also discipline him at home, but there are more effective ways to do this. This taught the kid nothing, and if anything, he just holds a huge amount of disdain for this teacher.
I know teachers have it bad. It's hard being an effective teacher, and just as much as there are bratty kids out there, there are teachers who should've never chose teaching as a profession. This womans actions make me question a lot of things about her.
I recently got a phone call home from one of my sons teachers, and it was to THANK me! My son had to get his grade sheet signed by me and returned, and he "forgot" to---it wasn't a bad grade sheet, could've been better, but certainly nothing he would've been disciplined for. Anyway, he decides that it would be best to sign my name for me!!!! AKA FORGERY. The kids are actually graded on whether or not they get their grade sheet signed. A=got it signed / F="forgot" to get it signed. So, I saw that he got an A, remembered I never signed one for that date, and emailed the teacher to let her know that she needed to change his A to an F because HE signed it, not me. My son was NOT happy at all, but imagine if I would've just let it go, and even though I tried explaining that he didn't deserve that A, and so I couldn't let it stand, he was still pissed off. Oh well, too bad, so sad. He also got grounded for forging my signature. Anyway, the teacher was sooo happy that I brought it to her attention, that she wanted to make the A stand!!! It's like, she was trying to reward ME by being honest by keeping the A!!!! ARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH. I had to argue w/her that he needed and deserved the F!!!! How dumb is that???
MrsMush99
12-15-2006, 12:04 PM
My daugher has a kid who is extremely disruptive to the class. EVERY SINGLE DAY, it is something else with this kid, I wish they WOULD duct tape his mouth SHUT. And before anyone says anything about sending him to the principal. It's been done more then once, as well as having his parents up to the school. I say it's time they kick him out. I'm not paying for my daughter to go to school to be distracted and disrupted every single day. I've already gotten one girl thrown out for cursing out my daughter and another girl. It's ridiculous that the parents allow this to happen. And YES I DO blame the parents. These kids don't have to answer for anything they do nowadays. My daughter knows she better not EVER be disruptive in class. Her teacher said to her yesterday that if she could clone a student it would be my daughter. Now mind you her grades are not the best because she has a learning disablity, HOWEVER, she is polite, respectful and does not disrupt the class. I see these kids who have no respect for authority and they are going to be hit with reality when they go out in the real world.
Sandy247
12-15-2006, 12:15 PM
I agree with Ms. Mush. I think that parents need to take responsibility and we as parents need to work with the school. My son is in 5th grade. He knows that Mom is not going to go running into school and defend him if he has done something wrong. He knows he will get in trouble at school AND at home. If you get caught, you pay the price. You have to take responsibility for your actions. My best friend's step-daughter just got caught throwing paper balls on the bus at another kid. She got in trouble because she got caught and got detention for it. The girl's mom (who tries to always be the "cool mom" and never wants to disipline the kids) went into the school to dispute the detention because the girl was just throwing the paper ball back to the boy who originally threw it. Whatever......... the thing is that my friend's step-daughter is the one who got caught.
GlitchWizard
12-15-2006, 12:17 PM
Gitch, I think your duct tape exploits with the boyfriend are for a different forum! Lol!:blushing:
I was just SAYIN'. ha ha I used duct tape as a teenager and tried to rip it with my teeth - pulled a piece of skin off my lip - so I know the duct tape today is not as evil. I don't know how many of you know the difference, so I was sharing. :-)
2sisters
12-15-2006, 12:19 PM
I was just SAYIN'. ha ha I used duct tape as a teenager and tried to rip it with my teeth - pulled a piece of skin off my lip - so I know the duct tape today is not as evil. I don't know how many of you know the difference, so I was sharing. :-)I know, I was just teasaing you. :crazy:
Taximom
12-15-2006, 12:21 PM
Students disrupt class every day where 2 of my children attend school. These kids get detentions or are suspended if the action merits that, but somehow...they keep graduating to the next class. I know they aren't doing their homework and passing tests...so why do they get to go on to the next grade like my children that work their little butts off?
These are the very same kids that end up in high school frustrating a teacher that has been teaching successfully for 30 years. Granted she may not be up on new ways to keep kids interested (like Pandora's really neat idea), but that kid probably shouldn't even be in that grade either. He's probably been doing it for at least 8 years now.
I don't think duct tape should have been used though. Why couldn't she just send him to the Principal?:waitasec:
Pepper
12-15-2006, 12:41 PM
My husband teaches upper division classes at a university. He is always complaining about the students that come in a half hr. late, eat in class, and otherwise disrupt the class. He's really getting tough the upcoming semester.
4Angels
12-15-2006, 01:12 PM
My daugher has a kid who is extremely disruptive to the class. EVERY SINGLE DAY, it is something else with this kid, I wish they WOULD duct tape his mouth SHUT. And before anyone says anything about sending him to the principal. It's been done more then once, as well as having his parents up to the school. I say it's time they kick him out. I'm not paying for my daughter to go to school to be distracted and disrupted every single day. I've already gotten one girl thrown out for cursing out my daughter and another girl. It's ridiculous that the parents allow this to happen. And YES I DO blame the parents. These kids don't have to answer for anything they do nowadays. My daughter knows she better not EVER be disruptive in class. Her teacher said to her yesterday that if she could clone a student it would be my daughter. Now mind you her grades are not the best because she has a learning disablity, HOWEVER, she is polite, respectful and does not disrupt the class. I see these kids who have no respect for authority and they are going to be hit with reality when they go out in the real world.Ever had a child with ADHD? My son has a bad case of it. He's been suspended, grounded, and about anything else you can think of.
He's probably a disruption at least 2-3x a week because of it (his ADHD manifests itself through talking. He's a motor mouth, lol!) He's had in-school 3x this year because of his mouth. I WISH a teacher would stick a piece of duct tape over it!
ADHD is just as valid of a disability as a learning one. And I would hate people to judge him or me as bad people because of it. I also pay for my child to learn and have worked very hard with the school to be fairly accomodating to find a win-win situation.
I'm probably one of the most active parents that school has. My son must have the teacher's sign off on his behavior and attitude for each class (along with his homework assignment because ADHD kids can be a wreck in organization). They ALL have my work email so I know before I get home how he performed. I often get comments about what a relief it is to know they can just shoot me an email about anything.
Oh...ADHD AND puberty = an impulsive kid with hormones. Wonderful mix there especially when you add testosterone to the mix. Thank goodness my son's prinicipal is educated in Special Needs kids and completely understands how this all affects teenage boys with ADHD. 10 to 1 this kids got a good case of it.
The common comment for my son is "He's a good kid that opens his mouth before he thinks."
But I'll tell you what. I know my son. And if some teacher has to stick a piece of duct tape over it to get peace and quiet, I'll be the first to buy her the roll!
My only complaint about the situation was how the media, family, and school reacted. Where's the mom saying..."WHAT!" Get your butt back to school and apologize, NOW!" Why isn't the media saying..."What do you get when a kid won't shut up and a teacher can't take anymore?"
Just another viewpoint from the parent of an ADHD kid. :D
MrsMush99
12-15-2006, 01:20 PM
4Angels,
I do not think this kid has ADHD, he is EXTREMELY disrespectful. He is constantly yelling at the teacher, and telling her she doesn't teach. This has NOTHING to do with being a motor mouth, (my daughter is chatty also but not disruptive, when she's told to stop she does). My daughter came out of school crying a week ago because she is so tired of this kid being mean to the teacher. Accusing her of giving tests on material that she didn't teach. Which was a complete lie. He is always pushing these teachers. My daugher is in 7th grade and in her grade in her school they have 4 teachers. This kid give trouble to all of them. Yesterday was another incident with him not putting his hands on the desk like the teacher asking but just putting the tip of his fingers, and then telling her "my hands are on the desk". No, this child does not have ADHD, he authority problems. And for that, I blame the parents.
packerdog
12-15-2006, 01:22 PM
I feel sorry for what the teachers have to deal with today. In my day (I am 51) you had respect for your teachers were affraid of getting into trouble. My children went to a lutheran school and their biggest fear was that if you misbehaved you were sent to the pastor and the rumor was he had a big paddle, he never used it of course but the threat was there. This kid will learn nothing from this and he will continue to get other teachers suspended.
4Angels
12-15-2006, 01:38 PM
4Angels,
I do not think this kid has ADHD, he is EXTREMELY disrespectful. He is constantly yelling at the teacher, and telling her she doesn't teach. This has NOTHING to do with being a motor mouth, (my daughter is chatty also but not disruptive, when she's told to stop she does). My daughter came out of school crying a week ago because she is so tired of this kid being mean to the teacher. Accusing her of giving tests on material that she didn't teach. Which was a complete lie. He is always pushing these teachers. My daugher is in 7th grade and in her grade in her school they have 4 teachers. This kid give trouble to all of them. Yesterday was another incident with him not putting his hands on the desk like the teacher asking but just putting the tip of his fingers, and then telling her "my hands are on the desk". No, this child does not have ADHD, he authority problems. And for that, I blame the parents.
Possibly ODD then? If he's ODD then he is in definite need of therapy.
Such a shame this happens. Any reaction from the parents that anyone knows of?
This kid should've apologized 10x over for HIS contribution to the current mess. Her reaction doesn't excuse his action.
GlitchWizard
12-15-2006, 01:49 PM
Out of 24 students in my daughter's Microsoft Academy (9th grade) there are only 4 who are respectful to the teachers. It's a SEVERE problem and may cause the Academy to close because it's a tough program and you can't learn where there is that much disruption. Of the four students, one of which is mine (surprise to me!) three were homeschooled until this year. Donna was homeschooled until she was five. It certainly may fall on the parents to discipline the kids. The teachers have their hands tied. What can they do that is effective?
The only reason sending a kid to the principal ever worked, is because back in the day, the principal had a paddle. Nowdays, the principal is as powerless as the teachers. It doesn't do any good.
If it keeps a teacher from belting a student, I say bring on the duct tape. Yes, even if it's my daughter. Lord knows there has been a time or two I've been tempted to do it myself.
4Angels
12-15-2006, 01:59 PM
Out of 24 students in my daughter's Microsoft Academy (9th grade) there are only 4 who are respectful to the teachers. It's a SEVERE problem and may cause the Academy to close because it's a tough program and you can't learn where there is that much disruption. Of the four students, one of which is mine (surprise to me!) three were homeschooled until this year. Donna was homeschooled until she was five. It certainly may fall on the parents to discipline the kids. The teachers have their hands tied. What can they do that is effective?
The only reason sending a kid to the principal ever worked, is because back in the day, the principal had a paddle. Nowdays, the principal is as powerless as the teachers. It doesn't do any good.
If it keeps a teacher from belting a student, I say bring on the duct tape. Yes, even if it's my daughter. Lord knows there has been a time or two I've been tempted to do it myself.Wow GW, that sounds terrible. I think that's one of the worst classes I've heard about. We've generally got 1 or 2 to a room at most (and generally my son is 1 of them). I've noticed with my son his behavior is worse when there's another ADHD in close range to him. It's like they play off each other. I call for an immediate separation when I see it. But dear goodness...what do you do when 20+ disruptions are bunched together!
My son fears the principal. Because he knows that once he's done there he's gotta come home. And when he gets home his punishments vary. I've had them range from no tv to stripping beds and washing walls. (I worked every ounce of defiance and energy outta that body that day!)
Hehe, I've been tempted to duct tape him more than a couple times. :blushing:
Mr. E
12-15-2006, 02:43 PM
My husband teaches upper division classes at a university. He is always complaining about the students that come in a half hr. late, eat in class, and otherwise disrupt the class. He's really getting tough the upcoming semester.
I cannot even comprehend this type of behavior in college. Good Lord, if you aren't mature enough to sit through class respectfully, stay out of college! I was at an AAUW (American Association of University Women) meeting recently, and one of the women there is a college professor. She said some of these same things, that students are more disruptive and have more behavioral/attitude problems than in the past. She is looking into retiring because of this!
My husband is a college professor, too, and he has had so many problems with students skipping class, rehearsal (they're theater students), etc. that he has had to make a handbook for them, aside from their regular handbook, that tells them how their behavior/academic life must be in order to participate in plays. Plagiarism has also been a big problem. He says students have lost their passion, that they're just looking to get by the easiest way they can. Out of his 14 theater majors (it is a very small college), he can name 2 students who are serious students. So different than when we were in school. I'm beginning to believe that a college education doesn't mean as much as it used to.
What an interesting discussion on modern education this topic has led to!
julianne
12-15-2006, 05:55 PM
Possibly ODD then? If he's ODD then he is in definite need of therapy.
I had to read your post twice, because at first I just read the word as "odd", but now I realize ODD is an acronym for Oppositional Defiant Disorder, if I'm terming it right.
To me, ODD is just a fancy schmancy term for a spoiled brat. What kind of therapy does a kid who is labeled ODD get??? I think the only kind of therapy a spoiled brat needs is structure, discipline, manners and to learn that there are consequences for his/her behavior. I just think sometimes we are overthinking kids these days, and parents would much rather have some ridiculous diagnosis placed upon their kid and let them grow up in a drugged out haze than admit that they are either failing as a parent OR that their kid is just a spoiled rotten brat who doesn't give a crap about anyone else or anyones feelings.
I know many people will disagree with my opinion---the simple fact that 60% of the kids in my suburban high school are going through childhood under the influence of their prescribed drugs, tells me that my opinion isn't a popular one. Docs don't even agree what determines whether a kid is ODD or not, there is no standardized tests, all their formats differ vastly......what happens when it's time to go off the drugs? Is there ever a time to go off the drugs?
cappuccina
12-15-2006, 06:04 PM
...an incident today at my son's high school. I am a parent volunteer, and go in to help the teachers. After I was done, on my way out, I noticed that a group of three large boys were backtalking and giving one of the adult hall monitors a lot of trouble, She's a smaller, older lady. One of the kids decided to go outside the door, and taunt her through the glass. Well, as I needed to go out of the building anyway, I walked straight through the group of boys, while telling them to "knock it off". I then opened the door and told the one outside to get his ass inside, and pick up the litter he had thrown all over the floor. He told me "I ain't gonna do that." I then said he was gonna do that, and by the way it's "I'm not going to do that", and if he continued speaking with incorrect grammar and dissing everyone the only job he was ever going to be able to get was shoveling elephant sh&t at the zoo. He looked at me, picked up his litter and got in line. I went right up in his face when I was talking to him, and never backed down. The monitor lady thanked me. I told her to "have a nice day" and went to my car.
End of story...no duct tape needed...(Helps that I'm 5'8") :D...
And for those of you ready to criticize me because I swore at him...sometimes it is necessary to do this with very recalcitrant kids...I have experience teaching some very difficult people, and I know when this is necessary...You may not agree with me, but...you might not have had the experience with kids like this either...
julianne
12-15-2006, 06:11 PM
CAPP---:clap: :clap: :clap:
I would've done the exact same thing. Exactly. Good for you.
I guarantee that the word "*****" didn't make him blush---that's a mild word compared to the others that they use and hear frequently. No need to sugarcoat the word with "doo-doo" or "poop", LOL.
Pandora
12-15-2006, 08:39 PM
This is a great idea. Do you mind if I steal it to use in my 11th grade classes? They're college prep English; this sounds like it would definitely keep them engaged.
Steal away! It's always worked for me!
MrsMush99
12-15-2006, 08:55 PM
I had to read your post twice, because at first I just read the word as "odd", but now I realize ODD is an acronym for Oppositional Defiant Disorder, if I'm terming it right.
To me, ODD is just a fancy schmancy term for a spoiled brat. What kind of therapy does a kid who is labeled ODD get??? I think the only kind of therapy a spoiled brat needs is structure, discipline, manners and to learn that there are consequences for his/her behavior. I just think sometimes we are overthinking kids these days, and parents would much rather have some ridiculous diagnosis placed upon their kid and let them grow up in a drugged out haze than admit that they are either failing as a parent OR that their kid is just a spoiled rotten brat who doesn't give a crap about anyone else or anyones feelings.
I know many people will disagree with my opinion---the simple fact that 60% of the kids in my suburban high school are going through childhood under the influence of their prescribed drugs, tells me that my opinion isn't a popular one. Docs don't even agree what determines whether a kid is ODD or not, there is no standardized tests, all their formats differ vastly......what happens when it's time to go off the drugs? Is there ever a time to go off the drugs?
Julianne,
I never heard of ODD before so I went and looked it up. Everything that was a "sign" sounded just like my nephew. And what is he?? Exactly what you said, a spoiled rotten brat. He certainly does not need threapy. What he needs is some disciplining, which his mother REFUSES to give him. I suspect that is the problem with the kid that is in my daughters class. Some parents today just have no clue on how to raise children.
Trino
12-15-2006, 09:08 PM
Could I ever tell you all some stories. I teach in an inner city environment, and if you consider "motor mouth" a problem, multiply that by about 15, which is just about the average number of discipline problems in a class of 30. Administrators are powerless until the student turns 16 when they can refer a student to ALC (Alternative Learning Center), which is, for most, a road to dropping out of school. These kids have so many problems they don't belong in a public school and are disruptive to those who want to learn. Suspending them isn't a solution because they're back in a few days and begin the process anew. Additionally, the school district tracks discipline dismissals and suspensions by sex and race; you might guess the implications of this if a category were especially high.
Discipline problems (15-16 years old) that I encounter include everyday use of 4 letter words, inappropriate dress (baggy pants, cleavage, coats, hats, language on shirts), getting up during class and wandering to talk to friends, refusal to do any assignments whatsoever, throwing things at other kids, wandering and waving to friends in the hall, walking out of class into the hall, arguing because they don't want to sit in their seat, sharpening a pencil during class. JUST PLAIN RUDE BEHAVIOR. Please note that this behavior is not just in my class. These kids are problems in every class they attend.
You can bet I throw these kids out, as does every other teacher they have. But, within a day the administration sends them back.
Life isn't terrible, however, since I do teach three upper grade classes, which I consider normal. It's 14-15 year olds who the public schools have to admit that are the problem, and I have two classes of them.
From what I'm seeing there will be an entire underclass of society that will somehow manage to blame the public schools for their lack of a good education.
4Angels
12-15-2006, 09:27 PM
I had to read your post twice, because at first I just read the word as "odd", but now I realize ODD is an acronym for Oppositional Defiant Disorder, if I'm terming it right.
To me, ODD is just a fancy schmancy term for a spoiled brat. What kind of therapy does a kid who is labeled ODD get??? I think the only kind of therapy a spoiled brat needs is structure, discipline, manners and to learn that there are consequences for his/her behavior. I just think sometimes we are overthinking kids these days, and parents would much rather have some ridiculous diagnosis placed upon their kid and let them grow up in a drugged out haze than admit that they are either failing as a parent OR that their kid is just a spoiled rotten brat who doesn't give a crap about anyone else or anyones feelings.
I know many people will disagree with my opinion---the simple fact that 60% of the kids in my suburban high school are going through childhood under the influence of their prescribed drugs, tells me that my opinion isn't a popular one. Docs don't even agree what determines whether a kid is ODD or not, there is no standardized tests, all their formats differ vastly......what happens when it's time to go off the drugs? Is there ever a time to go off the drugs?This is from the AACP:
Treatment of ODD may include: Parent Training Programs to help manage the child's behavior, Individual Psychotherapy to develop more effective anger management, Family Psychotherapy to improve communication, Cognitive‑Behavioral Therapy to assist problem solving and decrease negativity, and Social Skills Training to increase flexibility and improve frustration tolerance with peers. (/end)
Generally medication is not issued in these cases unless there are other factors. Depression, uncontrollable rage.
It's a shame that so many kids in your school are on medications. Our area has no where near that many on medications. But I believe you're seeing the result of what happens when mom and dad can't administer a good ole' fashioned arse whooping when the kid jumps outta line. Next best thing for control in the house? Medication. Sadly I believe this to be pretty accurate.
txsvicki
12-16-2006, 01:08 AM
I think the duct tape was wrong because it is giving back disrespect for being disrespected. The student is almost grown and he really is showing some initiative by complaining about the issue. If he were some genuine delinquent he would have just slunk off to some other troublemaking or even be in an alternative school. No one would put up with a boss duct taping them, the police, spouses, and parents can't do it to their kids nowadays either, or even threaten to tape kids' mouths, so the teacher should behave the same as is expected of everyone else. What bothers me is not that it was such a horrible thing to do, but why this teacher thought that she could do it and get away with it. If more early help, testing, proper IEPs, modifications, listening to parents, answering parent's questions, etc. were given to students who are disruptive, there would be much less trouble in the long run. Disruption is not normal in adults, so it should not be considered just meanness in children. Something is wrong somewhere that is not being corrected and it might not even be correctable but kids are required by law to attend school. My grandsons are not mean or spoiled and I am not doing anything wrong. They were exposed to drugs, have learning disabilities, and definitely have ADD and possibly other mental health problems that doctors are very reluctant to diagnose.
NaNaRosebud
12-16-2006, 08:56 AM
Maybe its time for some accountability on the kids part and the parents part. Your kids suffer daily b/c of all the disruptions by kids like him. Kids like this deprive yours of an education. Always remember that.
Amen to that!!!!! I'm a teacher. If parents ONLY know how much teaching time it takes out of the teaching day to deal with unruly students. You'd be AMAZED and wonder how in the world anyone in the classroom learns a THING!
Teaching has become a battlefield occupation what with the school shooting, kids bringing weapons into the building (at ALL ages, btw) and parents ALWAYS taking up for their spoiled brats who they never disiplined at home but expect the school to mold into ideal citizens during 6 hours 5 days a week!
If ONLY the parents of the GOOD kids knew what REALLY goes on in classrooms that have these behavior problem kids, you'd all be protesting and maybe the rights of the GOOD kids would become paramount instead of the rights of all the BAD kids.
julianne
12-16-2006, 01:21 PM
It's a shame that so many kids in your school are on medications. Our area has no where near that many on medications. But I believe you're seeing the result of what happens when mom and dad can't administer a good ole' fashioned arse whooping when the kid jumps outta line. Next best thing for control in the house? Medication. Sadly I believe this to be pretty accurate.
It IS a shame, and this is labeled the best school district in the entire state. The school is still considered "new", only 3 years old, has some of the best technology & computer labs, and is by all accounts, a really good school located in a very nice area.
The high amount of kids on daily medications isn't specific to my area, though. Look at the statistics. The amount of prescriptions written for these kids has risen by tens of thousands each and every year since the early 90's. It's nationwide. It's at epidemic proportions. We now have kids who are seniors in high school and just starting college who have NEVER been un-medicated for even one day during their whole school career.
I understand what your saying about this being a result of parents being unable to give arse whippings. But, I don't think that's it. I think parents just don't care. It's tough to parent teenagers these days, I know, I have one. And I can tell you firsthand that I feel like throwing in the towel many times and just giving up. My kid tells me that I am TOO INVOLVED in his life and his activities and he wishes I was like his friends parents. Hmmph...nice try, I tell him. So many parents take such an INactive role in parenting and it's to the demise of their kids. I can't tell you how many times I have said to my teenager "Go ahead and hate me now. It tells me that I'm doing my job. You will love me for this in 5-10 years." Of course, he has never SAID he hates me because he knows full well that he doesn't want to travel down that road, but I know he sure has thought it more than a few times.
julianne
12-16-2006, 01:25 PM
I just want to reiterate that I know that for some kids, medicating them is the only answer. I don't fault parents who have tried all other avenues to no avail. I DO have a problem with people who medicate their children just to make their life easier, and it just seems that there is an abundance of that these days. I think it's all going to come crashing down on these kids, in some form, one way or another.
lymom3
12-16-2006, 03:06 PM
I have a medicated son and two unmedicated. I would never put my other kids on meds to make them *easier* to handle. I'd give anything if the medicated one didn't need meds. He is 18 now and understands that he is never going to be able to be part of society and a person that he respects without being medicated. There were years that it was a fight to get him to take meds and when he didn't trouble followed him wherever he went.
I do resent parents that use medications improperly because when you do have a child that needs to be medicated, it gets harder to get meds (certain kinds) because so many parents have abused the privileges. My stepdaughter will have her PhD in May and goes to University of Ohio for her doctoral studies. It has been a real wake up call for her to have kids to work with (her degree will be in special ed with her emphasis on autistic children) whose parents take their kids meds, sell their kids meds for money etc. She has had to work to find family members that doctors would give the scripts to for these kids as the parents weren't a viable option; family members that would give them the meds they need.
Two sides to every coin, I guess.
kylie
12-17-2006, 01:13 AM
Here's how I handle disruptions in my high school classroom...if there are any major disruptions the entire class has to stay 1 minute,...if it continues , I add 1 more minute...it usually does the trick and puts pressure on the knuckleheads to settle down..............
The really hard core ones I just kick out..........my class is so structured that they figure out pretty quick that if they don't work they wil fail..........
GlitchWizard
12-18-2006, 12:03 PM
!
My son fears the principal. Because he knows that once he's done there he's gotta come home. And when he gets home his punishments vary. I've had them range from no tv to stripping beds and washing walls. (I worked every ounce of defiance and energy outta that body that day!)
Hehe, I've been tempted to duct tape him more than a couple times. :blushing:
Washing walls? Nooooooooooooooooooooo! Mom made me do that. That completely bites! :-)
2sisters
12-18-2006, 12:24 PM
Amen to that!!!!! I'm a teacher. If parents ONLY know how much teaching time it takes out of the teaching day to deal with unruly students. You'd be AMAZED and wonder how in the world anyone in the classroom learns a THING!
Teaching has become a battlefield occupation what with the school shooting, kids bringing weapons into the building (at ALL ages, btw) and parents ALWAYS taking up for their spoiled brats who they never disiplined at home but expect the school to mold into ideal citizens during 6 hours 5 days a week!
If ONLY the parents of the GOOD kids knew what REALLY goes on in classrooms that have these behavior problem kids, you'd all be protesting and maybe the rights of the GOOD kids would become paramount instead of the rights of all the BAD kids.My husband is a teacher. He teaches the same class back to back. In the first class he is ahead of schedule. All of the kids listen and are attentive. They always have a little free time at the end b/c thing run so smooth. The next class that comes in is half repeats from last year, a few kids from teh alternative school and one who can't speak english and they are disruptive and he barely has control. he sends at lesat one student out a day. This class is so off schedule and behind that he barely had them ready for exams this week. He spends his off period a couple days a week meeting with parents who are mad that johnny no listen and susie flirter are failing or with a parent who is mad that he kicked their kid out of class. Teachers def. do not get paid enough for what they do.
Mr. E
12-18-2006, 12:28 PM
My husband is a teacher. He teaches the same class back to back. In the first class he is ahead of schedule. All of the kids listen and are attentive. They always have a little free time at the end b/c thing run so smooth. The next class that comes in is half repeats from last year, a few kids from teh alternative school and one who can't speak english and they are disruptive and he barely has control. he sends at lesat one student out a day. This class is so off schedule and behind that he barely had them ready for exams this week. He spends his off period a couple days a week meeting with parents who are mad that johnny no listlen and susie flirter are failing or with a parent who is mad that he kicked their kid out of class. Teachers def. do not get paid enough for what they do.
I do not understand this, but I encounter it all the time as a teacher. Child fails/is failing; parent is notified; parent becomes irate at teacher. Meanwhile, the kid sits there pleased because he is not the one getting his ass chewed by Mom and Dad over a failing grade -- the teacher gets it!
2sisters
12-18-2006, 12:30 PM
I do not understand this, but I encounter it all the time as a teacher. Child fails/is failing; parent is notified; parent becomes irate at teacher. Meanwhile, the kid sits there pleased because he is not the one getting his ass chewed by Mom and Dad over a failing grade -- the teacher gets it!I don't either. Zero accountability for kids anymore. I applaud this woman for duct taping the kid. I bet there will be no more disipline problems in her class.
MrsMush99
12-18-2006, 12:35 PM
My husband is a teacher. He teaches the same class back to back. In the first class he is ahead of schedule. All of the kids listen and are attentive. They always have a little free time at the end b/c thing run so smooth. The next class that comes in is half repeats from last year, a few kids from teh alternative school and one who can't speak english and they are disruptive and he barely has control. he sends at lesat one student out a day. This class is so off schedule and behind that he barely had them ready for exams this week. He spends his off period a couple days a week meeting with parents who are mad that johnny no listen and susie flirter are failing or with a parent who is mad that he kicked their kid out of class. Teachers def. do not get paid enough for what they do.
My husband is a teacher too! He doesn't have out of control students though. I have no idea what he does, but it seems to work. He's told me that in his 15 years of teaching he's only sent a student to the dean once!
BarnGoddess
12-18-2006, 02:54 PM
How things have changed, drastically. When I went to high school (graduated 1962), we didn't have assistant principals, but a Dean of Girls and Dean of Boys. They were responsible for the discipline. The Dean of Girls, had this thing about clothes and sex. We did dress properly then, no shorts, no slacks for girls, etc., just dresses and skirts and proper blouses. However, she had this thing about the color red and patent leather shoes. Red excited boys too much and boys could look down at the top of your patent leather shoes and see up your dress. I swear it. I was called into her office because I had patent leather shoes on that day. My mother thought I had lost my mind when I told her I couldn't wear them. I called her from the Dean's office for her to bring me other shoes. She lost it and stormed to school and told the old broad to get her mind out of the gutter. The Dean of Boys had a paddle he occasionally used. He would take them in the hall and paddle though, never behind closed doors. A couple of the really popular and decent kids got a small paddling on occasion, but never told their parents. Too embarrassing.
Now, about 3 or 4 years later, the school makeup changes drastically. There's bussing and integration. My dad still was teaching his calculus, trig, physics. He also had a remedial math class. He had continual problems with one kid who was constantly harrassing one girl in class. One day the kid grabbed the girl's breasts and she screamed. My dad went over to the kid, picked him out of his seat by his ear and pushed him against the wall. He then marched him to the principal. The kid was going to sue, etc. Turns out they had a big meeting with the kid's mother and she thanked my father for his action. He was an out of control kid with no positive male role models and his mother had problems with him. My dad said he could come back to class, behave himself and if he needed help understanding the math, then he'd help him after school. The kid did behave and started doing better once grasped some concepts of math my dad helped him with.
So, although in hindsight, my dad wouldn't have put him against the wall, it turned out to benefit the kid in the long run.
2sisters
12-18-2006, 04:17 PM
Your dad may have actually prevented a future rape by putting his foot down with that boy barngoddess.
LinasK
12-18-2006, 09:12 PM
It took her 30 years to break? How much of a disruption was he? A MAJOR one obviously. How about they focus on that. Where are the headlines that say, "Teacher with 30 years of experience risks job and reputation over a rotten student!" Where are those headlines? No he's the victim. OF WHAT! Duct tape? Here's a headline, "Male student acts like little girl over duct tape because he didn't get his way!"
They're both equal victims here. Both are victims of HIS behavior. She just tried to resolve it. Maybe not in the way I would personally like, but this is an older woman who goes back to the days of an old fashioned butt whooping. And that is EXACTLY what he deserves for:
A. Disrupting Class, and
B. Acting like an immature baby about the entire incident
And yes, if it was my kid I would've told him sit down and shut up next time. I would've called the teacher and asked her next time to send him to the office instead trying to argue with him. AND then I would've made my son go back and apologize for acting up. What happened to people being able to resolve things between each other? Are we incapable of this anymore? Then we act shocked our kids have no people skills as young adults.
He's in high school. He should know better.
/rant off :D
Sorry, I strongly disagree. This was NOT the way to handle it!I think the duct tape was wrong because it is giving back disrespect for being disrespected. The student is almost grown and he really is showing some initiative by complaining about the issue. If he were some genuine delinquent he would have just slunk off to some other troublemaking or even be in an alternative school. No one would put up with a boss duct taping them, the police, spouses, and parents can't do it to their kids nowadays either, or even threaten to tape kids' mouths, so the teacher should behave the same as is expected of everyone else. What bothers me is not that it was such a horrible thing to do, but why this teacher thought that she could do it and get away with it. If more early help, testing, proper IEPs, modifications, listening to parents, answering parent's questions, etc. were given to students who are disruptive, there would be much less trouble in the long run. Disruption is not normal in adults, so it should not be considered just meanness in children. Something is wrong somewhere that is not being corrected and it might not even be correctable but kids are required by law to attend school.I agree with Txvicki!
GlitchWizard
12-19-2006, 08:54 AM
Sorry, I strongly disagree. This was NOT the way to handle it!I agree with Txvicki!
Although I see no problem with the duct tape, I do respect that other people do have a problem with it, and that it should be addressed so we can come up with other options. Perhaps teachers should be taught what IS appropriate and be trained in the dicipline of today's rowdier youth.
I know a guy who teaches in a school for troubled boys - way troubled - and he was trained in how to restrain the kids without hurting them much. One day, his teenage daughter got out of control and he used one of the holds on her. He was investigated by child services and the mother was outraged.
What do people expect? You can either beat them, or restrain them - when saying "Please behave" isn't enough.
If there are other options, the teachers need to be made aware of what they are.
Duct tape is not the correct way to handle a student but I know how this teacher felt! As teachers our hands are tied (duct taped, if you will) at every turn, by the administration, parents, lawyers, you name it. I teach at-risk (formerly called incorribles) kids and they are over the top! They have gotten by with so much for so long by the time I get them, if I can't turn them around, the next stop is prison. On the other hand my "mainstream" son gets written up if he sneezes the wrong way in school. The trivial things are focused on while the truly bad acts are often ignored. I've seen this time and time again. It's as if the administrators have given up and hone in on kids who actually have a conscience, with good parents who will back them up, while the others - the sociopaths and kids whose parents couldn't care less receive fewer and fewer constraints until they're completely out of control and lost.
Eve
GlitchWizard
12-19-2006, 02:14 PM
Duct tape is not the correct way to handle a student but I know how this teacher felt! As teachers our hands are tied (duct taped, if you will) at every turn, by the administration, parents, lawyers, you name it. I teach at-risk (formerly called incorribles) kids and they are over the top! They have gotten by with so much for so long by the time I get them, if I can't turn them around, the next stop is prison. On the other hand my "mainstream" son gets written up if he sneezes the wrong way in school. The trivial things are focused on while the truly bad acts are often ignored. I've seen this time and time again. It's as if the administrators have given up and hone in on kids who actually have a conscience, with good parents who will back them up, while the others - the sociopaths and kids whose parents couldn't care less receive fewer and fewer constraints until they're completely out of control and lost.
Eve
You're right. My daughter noticed too. She is in a new program that needs funding - this is the first year and it HAS TO work - so the kids get away with hitting, spitting and they cuss right in front of the teacher - talking back and everything - no recourse. The kids have to like the school or it won't be funded, I guess. However, the dress code is enforced, down to what it says on your hooded jacket.
They refuse to tell the parents that the kids are horribly behaved - but something the parents can SEE, the dress of the student, they will point out.
Bobbisangel
12-20-2006, 02:08 AM
I don't know-this kid is in high school-you'd think he'd have learned to sit down and shut up by now. He didn't have any problem talking while the teacher was teaching but couldn't open his mouth and say-no I don't want duct tape on my mouth?
If this was a 6 year old I'd feel bad but when you're in high school you ought to be able to behave properly in class. If it were my kid I'd probably tell him he got what he deserved for not listening to the teacher and make him apologize for disrupting the class. But that's just me-as my 2 year old will tell you I'm the meanest Mommy in the world.
Becca
I'm with you on this one. I would make bets that it wasn't just once that this happened with this kid. He probably pulled this all of the time and the teacher had reached the end of her rope.
When I was going to school years and years ago we wouldn't have dared disrupted the class by ignoring what the teacher was doing and ignoring her when she asked us to stop doing something. The principal had a big board in his office and he knew how to use it. Usually the boys are the ones who made it to his office to meet the board but it did happen once in a while. No one wanted to get whacked. Our teachers didn't put up with anything. We also had to draw a circle on the green board and put our nose in it if we misbehaved. That was pretty funny and it did happen now and then. We didn't look at that as abuse. We knew to behave and if we didn't then we deserved to have to stand up there in front of everyone. It was usually the class clowns who ended up in front of the room. They thought it was funny too. Just certain teachers bothered with the circle though.
If my kid disrupted the class and got taped and came home and whined about it he/she would be in even worse trouble. There would be an apology to the teacher and class too. High school is just to old to be pulling that stuff.
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