Michelle Young: Pregnant Mom, NC. part 7

[Samiya]

Here's hoping that number 7 is lucky and some news comes our way soon!

Sami

[Tia]

Here's hoping that number 7 is lucky and some news comes our way soon!

Sami
Lets hope! Its amazing that these threads have continued for so long with ZERO information!

[raisincharlie]

TopSail Girl,

Did you happen to catch WRAL during the noon hour ( I like their new website - can watch the news but I missed part of this so Im asking) and catch the report about domestic violence and the reference to the MY case? I missed it and just caught a part of it. Any chance you can clear it up ? TIA

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Did I understand over at CTV correctly, that "the family" requested some posts be deleted or threads closed? Wow, that hasn't ever happened before that we're aware of, has it? That's all a family has to do? Hmmm, me thinks the Petersons should have done that a few years ago! ;) IMO, MOO, etc.

Wonder if the "request" came in the form of a legal document...

[Bee Charmer]

Did I understand over at CTV correctly, that "the family" requested some posts be deleted or threads closed? Wow, that hasn't ever happened before that we're aware of, has it? That's all a family has to do? Hmmm, me thinks the Petersons should have done that a few years ago! ;) IMO, MOO, etc.

Wonder if the "request" came in the form of a legal document...
I wouldn't doubt it. Moderators cannot allow lies to be posted
about a victim. No wonder many were banned. I think Coldwater did what
she gets paid to do.

[Scout]

I wouldn't doubt it. Moderators cannot allow lies to be posted
about a victim. No wonder many were banned. I think Coldwater did what
she gets paid to do.

Are you saying that the deleted content had to do with the rumor about MF?

[DEPUTYDAWG]

I wouldn't doubt it. Moderators cannot allow lies to be posted
about a victim. No wonder many were banned. I think Coldwater did what
she gets paid to do.

I don't know who was banned, can you name a few?

And, was it only over the MF incident? If not, how would they know at this point what are lies, and what isn't? Not trying to be difficult, but that's got to be a difficult decision...speculation and opinion vs. lies.

[Bee Charmer]

Are you saying that the deleted content had to do with the rumor about MF?
Yes. An entire thread had to go because it was said as fact and not substantiated.

[Bee Charmer]

I don't know who was banned, can you name a few?

And, was it only over the MF incident? If not, how would they know at this point what are lies, and what isn't? Not trying to be difficult, but that's got to be a difficult decision...speculation and opinion vs. lies.
I could, but I won't. Don't mean to be difficult, but I think if
you really want to know, you should ask Coldwater.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

I could, but I won't. Don't mean to be difficult, but I think if
you really want to know, you should ask Coldwater.
It's okay, thanks anyways. I'm just a guest over there.

[Bee Charmer]

Bravo Coldwater!!!


http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=8874563#post8874563

[scandi]

There were so many insiders posting 'extra' info at CTV, from the 11pm call to not a fax but a print out about the purse, and then extra info about MM and that about MF, none of it substantiated but certainly rumors leading to speculation by the public about possible guilt. I could see why JY's attny would find that possibly impinging on a successful prosecution whenever his client is arrested!

Scandi

[scandi]

Agreed Bee Charmer! Scandi

[Bee Charmer]

Oh my, now they are giving poor Coldwater the third degree. When will they learn their little arms are way too short to box with God.....LOL :bang:

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=8874919#post8874919

[raisincharlie]

Yes. An entire thread had to go because it was said as fact and not substantiated.
I for one am glad that thread is gone. As Strach knows (:) luv you Strach) I am entirely anal and don't handle unsubstantiated bs very well.

Sorry Strach - can't let you off for agreeing with me on that point - but as always, am teasing and smiling the whole time. :)

[Taximom]

:laugh: :laugh: Oh my, now they are giving poor Coldwater the third degree. When will they learn their little arms are way too short to box with God.....LOL :bang:

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=8874919#post8874919

[raisincharlie]

I just completed the evening check of the media outlets, still nothing being said. Does anyone recall a case where there has been such a near total blackout ? I have often in the past been critical of the media for releasing too much information, this is amazing. Its going to be hard to argue for a change of venue in this case. JMO.

P.S. Anyone know what that big green dot after your handle means? Except for Scandi - her's is dark blue. Are you really special Scandi luv ?

[Samiya]

Ya Ha,

I'm awake, good morning everyone. Did I miss anything? Any new news?

[Samiya]

P.S. Anyone know what that big green dot after your handle means? Except for Scandi - her's is dark blue. Are you really special Scandi luv ?The big green dot tells whether or not your online. You're online and I am too since mine is green.

The blueys are either offline or they've set their status not to be shown....which makes me giggle as we know they're there when they post.

[Bee Charmer]

I just completed the evening check of the media outlets, still nothing being said. Does anyone recall a case where there has been such a near total blackout ? I have often in the past been critical of the media for releasing too much information, this is amazing. Its going to be hard to argue for a change of venue in this case. JMO.

P.S. Anyone know what that big green dot after your handle means? Except for Scandi - her's is dark blue. Are you really special Scandi luv ?The only case I can think of that's comparable, is the Justin Barber case. IIRC, it was almost two years before they brought the hammer down on ole Justin. Here's the link on the case:


http://www.courttv.com/trials/barber/

Another "prince" who was fooling around on his wife, before he shot her on the beach, claimed it was robbers, also shot himself in his chest. Police found research on gunshot wounds to the chest in his pc. Another bright light.

I think it means the poster is currently online.

[raisincharlie]

The only case I can think of that's comparable, is the Justin Barber case. IIRC, it was almost two years before they brought the hammer down on ole Justin. Here's the link on the case:


http://www.courttv.com/trials/barber/

Another "prince" who was fooling around on his wife, before he shot her on the beach, claimed it was robbers, also shot himself in his chest. Police found research on gunshot wounds to the chest in his pc. Another bright light.

I think it means the poster is currently online.
I recall seeing parts of that trial (my wife keeps the tv in the barn on at CTV constantly) and could not believe the extreme he went to to eliminate his wife. That episode made me re-think seriously about the accident in this case. For the life of me I can't figure the depth of whatever it is that drives these jokers to these extremes. Be a man, talk it out and walk away. May cost you a bit but at least it beats murder and sitting in jail waiting to die. Something bad wrong there...JMO

[Taximom]

I just completed the evening check of the media outlets, still nothing being said. Does anyone recall a case where there has been such a near total blackout ? I have often in the past been critical of the media for releasing too much information, this is amazing. Its going to be hard to argue for a change of venue in this case. JMO.

P.S. Anyone know what that big green dot after your handle means? Except for Scandi - her's is dark blue. Are you really special Scandi luv ?I seem to remember feeling this way after Scott Dunn killed his wife Brandi. Maybe I wasn't up on that case totally but I remember searching for news daily, then weekly, then monthly...until he was finally arrested for her murder. Very timely too, if I remember it. I think he was headed towards a Steeler's game when he was arrested.

Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's from memory.

[scandi]

Hi ya Charlie,

I'M HERE! :rolleyes: Only spending a bit of time over at the Mt Hood tragedy as it is kind of in my back yard, so to speak. I do check in though to see whaz up. When I log in, I keep it on until I go to bed at night instead of going in and out all day long ;} Nice to know someone's thinking of you though. :blowkiss:

I've been soooo ready for any news, and I guess the biggest news in the case is that the family is now trying to control the forum at CTV, evidently with just cause. There are some really blunt posters over there so it is a different world from here. I did join there a couple of weeks ago in case I might want to make a post. I have made 3 and they all fell flat as a doormouse under the rug. LOL Oh well, I'm just not too comfortable yet there, even though I've read there for about 4 years.

I'm also thinking they won't make a move on an arrest until the SUV warrant is made public and maybe not until after Christmas. But it would warm the cockles of my heart to see him arrested this Saturday. Guess I'll close my eyes and wish real hard.

Have we heard from our world traveler? ;) Hope she is having a great time and making good business. Scandi

[raisincharlie]

Hi ya Charlie,

I'M HERE! :rolleyes: Only spending a bit of time over at the Mt Hood tragedy as it is kind of in my back yard, so to speak. I do check in though to see whaz up. When I log in, I keep it on until I go to bed at night instead of going in and out all day long ;} Nice to know someone's thinking of you though. :blowkiss:

I've been soooo ready for any news, and I guess the biggest news in the case is that the family is now trying to control the forum at CTV, evidently with just cause. There are some really blunt posters over there so it is a different world from here. I did join there a couple of weeks ago in case I might want to make a post. I have made 3 and they all fell flat as a doormouse under the rug. LOL Oh well, I'm just not too comfortable yet there, even though I've read there for about 4 years.

I'm also thinking they won't make a move on an arrest until the SUV warrant is made public and maybe not until after Christmas. But it would warm the cockles of my heart to see him arrested this Saturday. Guess I'll close my eyes and wish real hard.

Have we heard from our world traveler? ;) Hope she is having a great time and making good business. Scandi
No news on this case today Scandi. Maybe soon.

I watched a bit of the efforts on Mt. Hood yesterday, was very disappointed when they found the cave and it was empty. Even more disappointed later, very sad. Am hoping they find the other two but last I heard they seem to think they fell down a steep slope and it is not sounding good. Very sad, the rescuers are trying so hard but facing so many obstacles...say prayers.

[cricket]

The big green dot tells whether or not your online. You're online and I am too since mine is green.

The blueys are either offline or they've set their status not to be shown....which makes me giggle as we know they're there when they post.
I've been posting at WS since the first week of the Laci Peterson trial and I have NEVER noticed the green dot before. LOL - I guess I'm not such a great detective after all.

[scandi]

Yes, many prayers. Scandi

[raisincharlie]

I've been posting at WS since the first week of the Laci Peterson trial and I have NEVER noticed the green dot before. LOL - I guess I'm not such a great detective after all.
So you know how I felt when Sami told me aye? :o

[cricket]

So you know how I felt when Sami told me aye? :o
definitely!

[Samiya]

So you know how I felt when Sami told me aye? :o
Lmao@ you all re green dots.

Hover your mouse over it, what does it say? Now go hover over a blue one. :dance:

[raisincharlie]

Lmao@ you all re green dots.

Hover your mouse over it, what does it say? Now go hover over a blue one. :dance:

:bang: Now you see me


:woohoo: Now you don't

My mouse is obviously less adventurous than some other mice...

[otto]

:bang: Now you see me


:woohoo: Now you don't

My mouse is obviously less adventurous than some other mice...

I keep reading every day but still no announcement of an arrest. To tell you the truth, this investigation seems as closely guarded as Canadian investigations. Everything is kept absolutely quiet until a trial (other than the arrest, of course) and then the only information anyone gets is what is presented at trial. It requires soooooooooo much patience.

[raisincharlie]

I keep reading every day but still no announcement of an arrest. To tell you the truth, this investigation seems as closely guarded as Canadian investigations. Everything is kept absolutely quiet until a trial (other than the arrest, of course) and then the only information anyone gets is what is presented at trial. It requires soooooooooo much patience.
The English are also this way - the media can report a crime but nothing relating to the details of the crime other than the crime itself (murder etc), nothing on suspects etc unless it is a plea for help. They can report the arrest as well and information from the trial, but that is it. We are a tad spoiled aren't we ? I found an article a while back from WRAL, a woman who was killed in October - her autopsy report was just completed late last week. So if this is average the final AR for this case will most likely not come in until after the New Year.

Perhaps you know this Otto, in reviewing what links we have, the Sheriff has indicated there is a private lab also working on samples. Will the Sheriff be required to wait for results from the State Crime lab even if he has results from the private lab (depending of course on what they are analyzing) ? Any idea ?

[cricket]

Lmao@ you all re green dots.

Hover your mouse over it, what does it say? Now go hover over a blue one. :dance:
....doh.

[Samiya]

....doh.lol..

My mouse does get adventurous because I get distracted reading posts and tend to squiggle my mouse all over the screen.

bad mouse bad mouse :)

Love your 'cat's have staff' :) 'staff' reminded me of my bumper sticker...

"Mafia staff car: You hit us, we'll hit you"

[raisincharlie]

Way to go fellow sleuthers:


http://frictionpowered.blogspot.com/

ETA - good way of putting it Scout - good read


;)

[strach304]

:laugh: I for one am glad that thread is gone. As Strach knows (:) luv you Strach) I am entirely anal and don't handle unsubstantiated bs very well.

Sorry Strach - can't let you off for agreeing with me on that point - but as always, am teasing and smiling the whole time. :)

I have had to adopt that term for myself when I felt it necessary to snitch on my nephews for writing bad words on the sidewalk in chalk during a recent visit. :waitasec:
Oh but wait, imo they shouldn't even know how to spell them at that age. Yes, being anal can be a good thing. :)
You have a tv in the barn? Are you just funnin?

Bee, thanks for the link and the laugh. You have such a way with words. :)

[raisincharlie]

:laugh:

I have had to adopt that term for myself when I felt it necessary to snitch on my nephews for writing bad words on the sidewalk in chalk during a recent visit. :waitasec:
Oh but wait, imo they shouldn't even know how to spell them at that age. Yes, being anal can be a good thing. :)
You have a tv in the barn? Are you just funnin?

Bee, thanks for the link and the laugh. You have such a way with words. :)
Sure am glad I can joke around with you Strach :clap: There really is a tv in the barn - sits right in the lounge area overlooking the arena. Lots of times we humiliate our clients by video taping them while they are riding so they can see how they are doing, and how they are at fault for the horse failing to perform. (They know when they are being taped.) It works well for a rider to be able to see themselves...they always claim it is the horse's fault until they see the tape....:bang:

[strach304]

RC, I'm not Otto but I am of the opinion that the forensics are the cause of no arrest as yet. I'd think that results period wouldn't have to be synchronized other than if LE wants to make sure there is no chance there will be anything unaccounted for as to other suspects besides who they will be arresting. For example if the private lab is doing the SUV that wouldn't matter if they were going to arrest Jason but say a robbery suspect it would matter if they arrested him before making sure there wasn't loads of MY's blood in the SUV. Vice versa for the house as an example if they were to arrest Jason they'd want to be sure there's no evidence of an intruder. Tying up the defense ends before even making the arrest may be the target and why the sheriff wanted the media to report about the forensics end being slow coming.

ETA: Remember in the Peterson case all the stuff they had to do as they went along to disprove the defense theories because of the bulls eye target claim.

[raisincharlie]

RC, I'm not Otto but I am of the opinion that the forensics are the cause of no arrest as yet. I'd think that results period wouldn't have to be synchronized other than if LE wants to make sure there is no chance there will be anything unaccounted for as to other suspects besides who they will be arresting. For example if the private lab is doing the SUV that wouldn't matter if they were going to arrest Jason but say a robbery suspect it would matter if they arrested him before making sure there wasn't loads of MY's blood in the SUV. Vice versa for the house as an example if they were to arrest Jason they'd want to be sure there's no evidence of an intruder. Tying up the defense ends before even making the arrest may be the target and why the sheriff wanted the media to report about the forensics end being slow coming.
Good thinking - probably spot on as well.

[Samiya]

Okes, I'm known to make changes of subject as no notice, lmao...Voice Mails..

Now here's another prob for me with not being over there, lol, (someone on ctv (I think it was ocean but I'm not going back to check, but thank you to them :) ) pointed out for me that it is rare for someone to be cleared over there before an arrest, so this is another area that may fit there too in my 'lack of knowledge of US procedures', which I am enjoying learning tidbits that differ to here :) )


When trying to contact immediate family isn't a message left on answering machines/cellphones asking for that person to contact LE as soon as they receive 'this message' on *such and such number*? It is done over here, even if another NOK has to be contacted within a certain timeframe because of not being able to reach the first NOK.

IMO> If he was checking his voice messages quite a lot, and one of those messages was left. He would've heard it. And if it were me......I'd be ringing back immediately after hearing it. After all....they may have been trying to contact me in regards to an accident involving my wife and child..

Wouldn't you contact them back straight away?

[scandi]

As a matter of good investigative work, I don't think they would make an arrest without every warrant having been returned. It was important enough to ask for the warrant - it must be very basic to the case.

Now what the heck is holding up that SUV warrant? It might have been issued late, say after the 15th of Nov. Do we have a date for it? The warrants were not issued on the same date, but staggered. It bugs me this one is not back. Is there a list of each warrant? There might be warrants we have not been privy to. The investigation of any warrant could involve forensics.

What I'm really thinking is the Sheriff was biding a 2 month period of time for some reason, and I think it was staging to make the Defense sweat a bit. With this law firm it could be like playing a game of chess. The prosecution must be waiting for a move from one of the players who might be getting comfortable with no arrest, or talk of it yet. That is what they want, an upper hand. They know something, and are just waiting for it to pop!

PS: It always happens, that the kiiller gets a false sense of security, goes back to the scene to feel the freedom again that the crime has given him. And going back to the scene is a relative statement. In this case it could be a sudden pressure by the killer on the insurance co, or telling his banker off the cuff that he will have an escrow soon on the house and will pay the differential of interest due in closing - not making a payment now! Something like that.

Trying to think of anything that makes sense knowing who the players are here. And in this case we have 3 things. We have:

a} A sheriff who goes right by the book
b} A prosecutor who will not crack under any pressure when her heart tells her it is worth waiting for and standing up to
c} A defending law firm of distinction, founded by old salts and infused by new blood.

I would take every minute I needed to cover every base beforehand. If every duck is lined up it's as easy as 1 2 3. If one duck decides to go partee and ducks out, hold those horses! You might have that duck for dinner, and duck is just awful, anytime!

Scandi

[Taximom]

I don't have the patience for CTV, but I saw that someone mentioned a "ping" occurring when you check your voicemail from your cellphone.

I check my voicemail from a landline most of the time, and I'm sure there's no "ping" generated in that case. We don't know for sure that JY was checking his voicemails from a landline, but it's something to have out there.

This fact alone does not add anything to this case, just thought I'd mention it.

[raisincharlie]

I don't have the patience for CTV, but I saw that someone mentioned a "ping" occurring when you check your voicemail from your cellphone.

I check my voicemail from a landline most of the time, and I'm sure there's no "ping" generated in that case. We don't know for sure that JY was checking his voicemails from a landline, but it's something to have out there.

This fact alone does not add anything to this case, just thought I'd mention it.
Taximom,

Thank you for this nugget of information. I have to tell you, my mind could definitely take off on this as I have recently spoke with a poster who informed me there is lousy cell coverage in Brevard. If one lives in Brevard proper cell reception is pretty good, anywhere south and it is non existent basically.

So of course my little brain is thinking back on those warrants - especially the ones for the retrieval of voice mail from JYs Cingular and Verizon phones which both were noted as containing a good volume of voicemail. When I combine this with my basic belief there was no business meeting in Virgina (may have been one somewhere else) I just have to ask myself if it was possible that JY was in the Brevard area well before he arrived at his folks. Since the sheriff indicated that he and his family started their return to Raleigh that afternoon - Jy may not have had a chance to actually check that voice mail before the SUV was confiscated, unless he did it from a landline at his parents. Just speculating and opining here....whew...;)

[raisincharlie]

Okes, I'm known to make changes of subject as no notice, lmao...Voice Mails..

<snip>

IMO> If he was checking his voice messages quite a lot, and one of those messages was left. He would've heard it. And if it were me......I'd be ringing back immediately after hearing it. After all....they may have been trying to contact me in regards to an accident involving my wife and child..

Wouldn't you contact them back straight away?Sami,

I went back and looked at those warrants very closely and the warrants do not say anything about JY checking his voicemail at all. What they say is:

"Affiant Sternberg obtained and executed a search warrant for the voicemail and other content of this device ( Cingular cell phone) There was a considerable volume of voicemail and electronic material inside this device and attached account. While making additional inventory and analysis of evidence recovered from Jason Lynn Young's SUV, Affiant Sternberg noted an additional cell phone from the vehicle (samsung Verizon)..."

so of course I'm thinking being in the mountainous area of NC - JY wasn't checking his voice mail or answering or calling - it may be tough to track him in this area based on the cell phone. However checking the verizon towers - they also route through US cellular - both of which are strong in that area with county wide coverage (Transylvania) so it is not impossible he cold be tracked...it becomes apparent to me that JY boy didn't check his voicemail or he has the habit of not clearing voicemail. In a black area his only option would be a landline to check this - hmmmmm, he could have done this at folks home but I don't think he had time. Study this one out - see what you conclude.

[otto]

The English are also this way - the media can report a crime but nothing relating to the details of the crime other than the crime itself (murder etc), nothing on suspects etc unless it is a plea for help. They can report the arrest as well and information from the trial, but that is it. We are a tad spoiled aren't we ? I found an article a while back from WRAL, a woman who was killed in October - her autopsy report was just completed late last week. So if this is average the final AR for this case will most likely not come in until after the New Year.

Perhaps you know this Otto, in reviewing what links we have, the Sheriff has indicated there is a private lab also working on samples. Will the Sheriff be required to wait for results from the State Crime lab even if he has results from the private lab (depending of course on what they are analyzing) ? Any idea ?

I heard on the news today that the British media are recording everything the police are doing in their investigation of the prostitute rapist ... and they want it to stop because they are concerned that it will compromise the investigation. Americans are somewhat spoiled with the easy access to information prior to trial, but also compromised. Look what happened to Scott Peterson. The case may have been a very straight forward, inexpensive murder prosecution without the media, but with the media it has been a million dollar circus that increased the possibility that he would walk. OJ, the first sensational talking head case, walked. The media in the Holloway case may have actually seriously impaired the investigation (we'll never know for sure). Liana White's husband was convicted based on evidence even though he protested his innocence and gave a story to explain all the evidence. That case was not discussed anywhere but in the courtroom and from the day the trial opened, I had no doubt that there would be a conviction. With the media speculations going on for months, people set up camps about what they think is true based on rumour, innuendo and talking heads dissecting every piece of evidence prior to trial. It seems that being spoiled with information comes with a high price tag. Cheers!

I think it's fair to assume that lab results take a lot of time and I don't think a couple of months is that unusual. I'm no expert, but my guess is that if a private lab is licensed to do the work and they come up with the results first, then the results would be enough to proceed. The State Crime lab would only be confirming the results if they came in later.

[Samiya]

Sami,

I went back and looked at those warrants very closely and the warrants do not say anything about JY checking his voicemail at all. What they say is:

"Affiant Sternberg obtained and executed a search warrant for the voicemail and other content of this device ( Cingular cell phone) There was a considerable volume of voicemail and electronic material inside this device and attached account. While making additional inventory and analysis of evidence recovered from Jason Lynn Young's SUV, Affiant Sternberg noted an additional cell phone from the vehicle (samsung Verizon)..."

so of course I'm thinking being in the mountainous area of NC - JY wasn't checking his voice mail or answering or calling - it may be tough to track him in this area based on the cell phone. However checking the verizon towers - they also route through US cellular - both of which are strong in that area with county wide coverage (Transylvania) so it is not impossible he cold be tracked...it becomes apparent to me that JY boy didn't check his voicemail or he has the habit of not clearing voicemail. In a black area his only option would be a landline to check this - hmmmmm, he could have done this at folks home but I don't think he had time. Study this one out - see what you conclude.Thanks hon,

I found where I got confused and have to say.......

:bang: :bang: ~~~~~~>Samiya.

lol

[scandi]

. . . . .but Sami, I think you are almost always right, and so appreciated as you must know by now. YaYa

Christmas isn't even here all the waY yet, but I'm getting excited about the new year. 7 is a powerful number I think, and am looking forward to 2007. Organization plus, which you have already mastered. Sometimes you just have to get down to the basics, like in investigating a case.

xoxoxo Scandi

[strach304]

Can somebody help me out with the phones? I am confused as to what I thought was in the warrants and may have got mixed up with the media reports. Was there 2 phones in the house, one in Michele's purse and the other in the office? Was there two phones taken from the SUV because I thought that was just one?

As an aside I do know that it was reported Meredith or LE called Jason's parents because that was the only number Meredith could find. I would conclude that maybe she had his personal cell number but not his business one and that was found at home. (see above)

[raisincharlie]

Can somebody help me out with the phones? I am confused as to what I thought was in the warrants and may have got mixed up with the media reports. Was there 2 phones in the house, one in Michele's purse and the other in the office? Was there two phones taken from the SUV because I thought that was just one?

As an aside I do know that it was reported Meredith or LE called Jason's parents because that was the only number Meredith could find. I would conclude that maybe she had his personal cell number but not his business one and that was found at home. (see above)
Strach,

A total of 4 phones were confiscated according to the warrants

MY's cell phone - taken from her purse which was in the kitchen
Home landline - it was noted there were messages on the message machine
Cingular Wireless - JY's taken from the SUV when it was impounded
Samsung - Verizon Wireless - also taken from the SUV not identified as JYs phone however.

I do not recall it being reported that MF contacted JY's parents. I recall the article about the parents making the decision not to call him while he was driving. The odd thing about that - LE has an obligation - requirement to inform next of kin so I am confused as to why the parents told him in the first place unless a Transylvania Co Sheriff was also present - if not this was totally done outside normal police procedure, especially under the circumstances of MY's death.


Sami - going back to the 11/21 warrant which does reference the Cingular - I must correct myself - this warrant does indeed indicate that Investigator McCormack reported making analysis of JY's call activity - he also indicated during that analysis that JY made regular, frequent checks of his voicemail. This warrant is for Cingular to release the audio of those voicemails.

I stand corrected as I only looked at the warrant related to the Samsung. Sorry !

[Samiya]

The odd thing about that - LE has an obligation - requirement to inform next of kin so I am confused as to why the parents told him in the first place unless a Transylvania Co Sheriff was also present - if not this was totally done outside normal police procedure, especially under the circumstances of MY's death.

Sami - going back to the 11/21 warrant which does reference the Cingular - I must correct myself - this warrant does indeed indicate that Investigator McCormack reported making analysis of JY's call activity - he also indicated during that analysis that JY made regular, frequent checks of his voicemail. This warrant is for Cingular to release the audio of those voicemails.

I stand corrected as I only looked at the warrant related to the Samsung. Sorry !

That's ok RC. I was still pondering it and for a minute I thought I was believeing something from ctv, lol. Anyway, it was the legal requirement by LE in attempting to contacting Jason first that I was talking about. They would've left a message on his voicemail for him to contact them as soon as he got their message, so if he was checking often and heard it...... why didn't he call them back straight away....

Either he heard the message and thought he'd ring when he got to his folks place (coz LE wouldn't know when he got the message) or he thought his parents wouldn't know anything on his arrival and he could be 'rested and prepared' for the call.

If a message was left for him by LE on the cell phone they'd know by now if he heard it before he got to his parents house because there will be records of times he checked voicemails at the phone co.

I can put back my concrete shoes, lol but can't take back my two bullets...oh well off to plastic surgery for me :eek:

Oh BTW< I updated the link in the Becky Holt thread to the new link.

bear hugs
Sami

[raisincharlie]

That's ok RC. I was still pondering it and for a minute I thought I was believeing something from ctv, lol. Anyway, it was the legal requirement by LE in attempting to contacting Jason first that I was talking about. They would've left a message on his voicemail for him to contact them as soon as he got their message, so if he was checking often and heard it...... why didn't he call them back straight away....

Either he heard the message and thought he'd ring when he got to his folks place (coz LE wouldn't know when he got the message) or he thought his parents wouldn't know anything on his arrival and he could be 'rested and prepared' for the call.

If a message was left for him by LE on the cell phone they'd know by now if he heard it before he got to his parents house because there will be records of times he checked voicemails at the phone co.

I can put back my concrete shoes, lol but can't take back my two bullets...oh well off to plastic surgery for me :eek:

Oh BTW< I updated the link in the Becky Holt thread to the new link.

bear hugs
Sami
We can take a wild guess as to why he didn't ring back if there was VM from LE, at least I can. Yes it seems by now LE would know exactly what the VMs were and what time each of them was checked. My guess - this frequent checking will rule out any claim of being in dead zones and unreachable - dead zones will also block any ability to check VM. One excuse shot to heck.
That whole series of events relating to how JY was told bugs me - I really want to know if an LE rep was there as would be required for a homicide. Going to be a long wait before I get that answer huh?

Good idea to update that link, I know WRAL has redesigned so all the original links do not work.

[Samiya]

We can take a wild guess as to why he didn't ring back if there was VM from LE, at least I can. Yes it seems by now LE would know exactly what the VMs were and what time each of them was checked. My guess - this frequent checking will rule out any claim of being in dead zones and unreachable - dead zones will also block any ability to check VM. One excuse shot to heck.
That whole series of events relating to how JY was told bugs me - I really want to know if an LE rep was there as would be required for a homicide. Going to be a long wait before I get that answer huh?

Good idea to update that link, I know WRAL has redesigned so all the original links do not work.
I love wild guessing. It's fun :) But he might not have even heard that message either, so I should've added that in too.

I just had a teary eyed moment. I was making sure I didn't have to move any more comments and found a post from a girl called Julie (who is 7 according to the post). She got her mom to write a comment for her in the condolences blog addressed to Cassidy. Poor little baby :( she says her dad died last Christmas and she wants to give Cassidy hugs and that she has to give her little sister hugs. I bet that was hard for mom to write in :(

[strach304]

Thanks RC, I knew you would know :) The other phone in the house besides Michele's does it state who it belongs to?
For sure (not senile yet) it was reported that Jason's parents house number was the only number that Meredith could find. That was in one of the earliest reports and was a little confusing at first because some speculated that it was Meredith who made the call but I believe it was LE and she just got the number for them. Now it seems to me if he called from his cell phone and left a message that morning for Meredith she'd have that number so I'm thinking they couldn't get in touch with him but tried.

[raisincharlie]

Thanks RC, I knew you would know :) The other phone in the house besides Michele's does it state who it belongs to?
For sure (not senile yet) it was reported that Jason's parents house number was the only number that Meredith could find. That was in one of the earliest reports and was a little confusing at first because some speculated that it was Meredith who made the call but I believe it was LE and she just got the number for them. Now it seems to me if he called from his cell phone and left a message that morning for Meredith she'd have that number so I'm thinking they couldn't get in touch with him but tried.The other phone from the house is not specifically defined - it is referenced because Inv. Sternberg noted it contained a message machine with messages indicated - assuming ( I know bad, bad ,bad) it was the landline not a cell.

LE may have gotten the phone number for the parents from an address book in the house as well. I suspect MF gave LE JYs phone number pretty quickly, LE tried to get him and could not, and MF may have advised of the family's phone number from an adress book. I just have trouble however believing LE notified JYs parents - they are not next of kin and LE is under no obligation to advise these people of anything prior to notifying next of kin. Something tells me someone other than LE told JYs parents - JMO.

ETA - someone other than Wake County Sheriff - I should clarify. It is possible WCSO called Transylvania Co Sheriff to alert them and possibly do the notification.

[Samiya]

The other phone from the house is not specifically defined - it is referenced because Inv. Sternberg noted it contained a message machine with messages indicated - assuming ( I know bad, bad ,bad) it was the landline not a cell.

LE may have gotten the phone number for the parents from an address book in the house as well. I suspect MF gave LE JYs phone number pretty quickly, LE tried to get him and could not, and MF may have advised of the family's phone number from an adress book. I just have trouble however believing LE notified JYs parents - they are not next of kin and LE is under no obligation to advise these people of anything prior to notifying next of kin. Something tells me someone other than LE told JYs parents - JMO.

ETA - someone other than Wake County Sheriff - I should clarify. It is possible WCSO called Transylvania Co Sheriff to alert them and possibly do the notification.
It may have been Linda Fisher who rang them hon, because after Jason Young, she is Michelle's NOK (next of kin). If the Transylania Co Sheriff was there at the Young-McIntyre house he should've been the one to tell Jason since he is an 'official'. I can't see him being there and saying "ok, you tell him".

[raisincharlie]

It may have been Linda Fisher who rang them hon, because after Jason Young, she is Michelle's NOK (next of kin). If the Transylania Co Sheriff was there at the Young-McIntyre house he should've been the one to tell Jason since he is an 'official'. I can't see him being there and saying "ok, you tell him".
With the fit pop threw and the general disrespect for LE - I can. :D

[Samiya]

With the fit pop threw and the general disrespect for LE - I can. :D
lmao>>maybe he thought to 'out gun' the Sheriff on this one. Or if the sheriff wasn't there, maybe it was Linda who rang and told him.

If Jason arrived in Brevard at around 3pm then enough 'considerable time' had passed without being able to get onto Jason so they may have notified both NOK's, although Linda would've been notified first by either LE or Meredith from the Sheriffs office.

If Meredith rang her mom, it must've been hard for her to tell her mom the news. Linda strikes me in her 'plea' as someone very close to her daughters in more ways than just being their mom.

[raisincharlie]

lmao>>maybe he thought to 'out gun' the Sheriff on this one. Or if the sheriff wasn't there, maybe it was Linda who rang and told him.

If Jason arrived in Brevard at around 3pm then enough 'considerable time' had passed without being able to get onto Jason so they may have notified both NOK's, although Linda would've been notified first by either LE or Meredith from the Sheriffs office.

If Meredith rang her mom, it must've been hard for her to tell her mom the news. Linda strikes me in her 'plea' as someone very close to her daughters in more ways than just being their mom.
I recall from the Vitale case that LE took Daniel Horowitz out to a squad car and put him in the back and left him with his cell phone and DH did make phone calls to relatives and friends at that time. I remember this because several posters who thought DH was guilty had a total hissy fit over his "special treatment". So it is quite possible the source would have been Meredith as both her and Cassidy would have been removed from the house quite quickly.

[panthera]

I recall from the Vitale case that LE took Daniel Horowitz out to a squad car and put him in the back and left him with his cell phone and DH did make phone calls to relatives and friends at that time. I remember this because several posters who thought DH was guilty had a total hissy fit over his "special treatment". So it is quite possible the source would have been Meredith as both her and Cassidy would have been removed from the house quite quickly.I'll agree with you ~ and good comparison also.
;)

[raisincharlie]

I'll agree with you ~ and good comparison also.
;)
Panthera

Why are you hiding ? We need you here :D

[Melinda Tidwell]

I have been watching and reading this from the start. You all are so good but I too am starting to wonder if they will allow JY to remain free for XMas. I hope not. Sure wish they would arrest him. Just like Scott Peterson from day one I have believed JY is the killer. :banghead:
MT

[panthera]

Panthera

Why are you hiding ? We need you here :DNot hiding at all raisincharlie ~ just too much to do getting ready for Christmas! And I haven't even bought your gift yet!! :D

[strach304]

Welcome Melinda :)

Thanks for clarifying the phone RC, I was under the impression that was a cell phone.

[panthera]

I have been watching and reading this from the start. You all are so good but I too am starting to wonder if they will allow JY to remain free for XMas. I hope not. Sure wish they would arrest him. Just like Scott Peterson from day one I have believed JY is the killer. :banghead:
MTWelcome! I hate to think that this is yet another case of the husband killing his pregnant wife, but I'm not finding any other suspects either, with the exception of the neighbor ~ who we haven't heard much more about.
:)

[raisincharlie]

I have been watching and reading this from the start. You all are so good but I too am starting to wonder if they will allow JY to remain free for XMas. I hope not. Sure wish they would arrest him. Just like Scott Peterson from day one I have believed JY is the killer. :banghead:
MT
Melinda,

Hope I can call you that - if not just smack me. Welcome to the board. Don't sit back and watch - jump in and discuss ! The more ideas the better. As you can see we sometimes spin our wheels - you never know, you might just have the thought we need to go some where. Anyhow - welcome :D

[raisincharlie]

Not hiding at all raisincharlie ~ just too much to do getting ready for Christmas! And I haven't even bought your gift yet!! :D
Well - the thought is better than a gift :) ! Thanks. Hope you have a great holiday season Panthera !

[raisincharlie]

Welcome Melinda :)

Thanks for clarifying the phone RC, I was under the impression that was a cell phone.
Check out Scout's posts on page 4 of the search warrant thread. We are trying to figure whose phone the Samsung is.

[panthera]

Well - the thought is better than a gift :) ! Thanks. Hope you have a great holiday season Panthera !Thank you, and likewise! I'm trying to spend more time here now that the shopping's done!

And also thinking of poor little Cassidy without her mother....:(

[Melinda Tidwell]

I'm not nearly as up on this case as I was on the Scott Peterson case. Heck, my boss and I drove 100 mph to get to the Modesto PD for the big press release. We thought they had found Laci but it was the night Amber came out of the closet. We stood right in front of her when she told of her fling with Scott for the first time. Wonder why MM has not told her story of affair with JY. Has there been anything interesting since finding out about MM? I have been sick for the past 2 weeks so have not felt up following close.:sick:

MT

[panthera]

I'm not nearly as up on this case as I was on the Scott Peterson case. Heck, my boss and I drove 100 mph to get to the Modesto PD for the big press release. We thought they had found Laci but it was the night Amber came out of the closet. We stood right in front of her when she told of her fling with Scott for the first time. Wonder why MM has not told her story of affair with JY. Has there been anything interesting since finding out about MM? I have been sick for the past 2 weeks so have not felt up following close.:sick:

MTVery little information has come out lately, sad to say. Sorry you've been sick ~ that's no fun at this time of the year! ;)

[raisincharlie]

I'm not nearly as up on this case as I was on the Scott Peterson case. Heck, my boss and I drove 100 mph to get to the Modesto PD for the big press release. We thought they had found Laci but it was the night Amber came out of the closet. We stood right in front of her when she told of her fling with Scott for the first time. Wonder why MM has not told her story of affair with JY. Has there been anything interesting since finding out about MM? I have been sick for the past 2 weeks so have not felt up following close.:sick:

MT
MT,

Hope you are better now. After it was found out about MM, there hasn't been much else said although the local media did release some of the search warrants that have been returned. Briefly the returned warrants identify papers and some items LE removed from the home, information requesting forensic analysis of Jy's computer and MM's computer, information about JY's cell phone and another phone found in the SUV. You can find this information in the search warrant thread. Other than that, this case has been incredibly quiet. No new news for a while.

As for MM not saying anything - heck no one in this case is saying anything at all really. There have been zero 15 minute famers to date. Very odd but that is how it is going. So in two weeks you really have not missed anything. Do hope you are better.

[concernedperson]

I am getting weird vibes that LE has made a mistake and are backtracking somewhat and that is why it is so quiet. They have a victim, they have DNA, they have a timeline, they have a provocative 911 tape, they have a material witness (MM) for motive, they have a lawyered up POI and yet, no new news. So, did someone step on it or are they being particulary meticulous?

North Carolina LE hasn't been stand up in some recent cases and I am only pointing this out as a possible reason for inactivity not as a written in stone doctrine.

Just shufflling around thoughts as to why...especially since I think they have so much to work with.

[j2mirish]

I am getting weird vibes that LE has made a mistake and are backtracking somewhat and that is why it is so quiet. They have a victim, they have DNA, they have a timeline, they have a provocative 911 tape, they have a material witness (MM) for motive, they have a lawyered up POI and yet, no new news. So, did someone step on it or are they being particulary meticulous?

North Carolina LE hasn't been stand up in some recent cases and I am only pointing this out as a possible reason for inactivity not as a written in stone doctrine.

Just shufflling around thoughts as to why...especially since I think they have so much to work with.
could be--- maybe not--- They are awfully quiet--good thoughts cp- especially since I so dont want this to be another husband :behindbar

[panthera]

I've read some other places, where certain people aren't allowed to be discussed, so if that's the case here my apologies in advance and please don't ban me!

But ~ what about this teenage neighbor who was initially described as "strange"? Anything more about him to exclude him? This just sounds so much like the Dyleski case regarding the manner in which Michelle was murdered.

[raisincharlie]

I am getting weird vibes that LE has made a mistake and are backtracking somewhat and that is why it is so quiet. They have a victim, they have DNA, they have a timeline, they have a provocative 911 tape, they have a material witness (MM) for motive, they have a lawyered up POI and yet, no new news. So, did someone step on it or are they being particulary meticulous?

North Carolina LE hasn't been stand up in some recent cases and I am only pointing this out as a possible reason for inactivity not as a written in stone doctrine.

Just shufflling around thoughts as to why...especially since I think they have so much to work with.
I think we are just impatient. Not that long ago the Sheriff reported that the State Crime lab is backed up and that is affecting the pace of how this case is moving. A few days ago I posted a link about a woman who was murdered in October (6th) - I believe it was 10 December before the autopsy in that case was finalized. MY's autopsy report has not been completed and based on the two month average for Wake Co - it won't be finalized until after the first of the new year IMO.

It may be that this Sheriff and the ADA over this case have made up their minds that they will move when they believe that have adequate evidence to take the case to trial and win, and not before. If they are waiting on lab results and an autopsy - seems like good enough reasons to me to wait. JMO.

[raisincharlie]

I've read some other places, where certain people aren't allowed to be discussed, so if that's the case here my apologies in advance and please don't ban me!

But ~ what about this teenage neighbor who was initially described as "strange"? Anything more about him to exclude him? This just sounds so much like the Dyleski case regarding the manner in which Michelle was murdered.
Nothing more on he who must not be discussed. :crazy:

[panthera]

Nothing more on he who must not be discussed. :crazy:Thanks, friend! Was just wondering if anyone else is under the radar except Jason. ;)

[raisincharlie]

Thanks, friend! Was just wondering if anyone else is under the radar except Jason. ;)
No one that we have heard of, could be someone else, maybe not. All we do know is the search warrants seem to indicate JY has not been cleared as yet. MM's computer hard drive has been taken but no mention of anything else taken under warrant for her and she was not listed in any warrant as being uncooperative. So, don't know if there is or isn't anyone else on the radar screen. Bad deal when we have zero answers huh ? Oh well...waiting. :waitasec:

[scandi]

Panthera

Why are you hiding ? We need you here :D


I think Panthera might still be drooling over Miss USA! :D



ETA: Sorry Panthera, I don't know how, but I got your name and Paladin's turned around! :slap: I'll give myself a little spanking. ;)

[concernedperson]

Nothing more on he who must not be discussed. :crazy:
I would be totally suprised if anyone other than Jason was on the horizen right now. An aberrant teen is a possibilty but unlikely IMO.

[raisincharlie]

I would be totally suprised if anyone other than Jason was on the horizen right now. An aberrant teen is a possibilty but unlikely IMO.
I agree.

[panthera]

No one that we have heard of, could be someone else, maybe not. All we do know is the search warrants seem to indicate JY has not been cleared as yet. MM's computer hard drive has been taken but no mention of anything else taken under warrant for her and she was not listed in any warrant as being uncooperative. So, don't know if there is or isn't anyone else on the radar screen. Bad deal when we have zero answers huh ? Oh well...waiting. :waitasec:Guess we'll just have to wait for the next installment of the story from LE ~ :(

[raisincharlie]

Guess we'll just have to wait for the next installment of the story from LE ~ :(
I'm not sure it is LE that is pulling the strings on what is released and what is not. One thing I have learned, and must admit never believed was true, is that the press actually has a sense of morality. Again I go back to the Dyleski case - all we had were press reports - they were bad but I tell you what, when I listened to Jewett's closing it dawned on me exactly how much information the press had but never released.

By now I believe there are many more warrants that have been returned - either the press is not going to the courthouse to get them or they have them and are being quiet. I believe the area media outlets have learned to be very cautious in the past year. I'm willing to wager the media knows a whole lot more than we do. :)

[panthera]

I'm not sure it is LE that is pulling the strings on what is released and what is not. One thing I have learned, and must admit never believed was true, is that the press actually has a sense of morality. Again I go back to the Dyleski case - all we had were press reports - they were bad but I tell you what, when I listened to Jewett's closing it dawned on me exactly how much information the press had but never released.

By now I believe there are many more warrants that have been returned - either the press is not going to the courthouse to get them or they have them and are being quiet. I believe the area media outlets have learned to be very cautious in the past year. I'm willing to wager the media knows a whole lot more than we do. :)I could agree with you on that, since we do have a sense of morality in this state and also our LE agencies aren't as inept as some might think. I do know the state crime lab is backlogged. And after the Duke fiasco (just as an example, not to start a discussion!) the local media is being more cautious, in my opinion.

eta - forgot to say "good-night" raisincharlie! I'll check in tomorrow!

[sweetmop]

I have been watching and reading this from the start. You all are so good but I too am starting to wonder if they will allow JY to remain free for XMas. I hope not. Sure wish they would arrest him. Just like Scott Peterson from day one I have believed JY is the killer. :banghead:
MT Hey! Welcome Melinda! Yep, I have to agree with you. JY is responsible. Wish this case would break by Christmas. :twocents:

[sweetmop]

If Jason Young had not been away on business trip, made at least one plea for assistance in finding his wife & unborn son's killer, hadn't been screwing around on his wife, hadn't lawyered up immediately, and hadn't asked poor Meredith to go over to his house for supposed fax/email, then I would want to hear much more on the young neighbor. But the way this has played out thus far, well, I think JY is the killer. I honest to God do not want him to be, but sadly I believe he is it. Surely to goodness, the lab will "clear out" & catch up with things before the new year. I hope so. Just my humble opinions... ;)

[raisincharlie]

I could agree with you on that, since we do have a sense of morality in this state and also our LE agencies aren't as inept as some might think. I do know the state crime lab is backlogged. And after the Duke fiasco (just as an example, not to start a discussion!) the local media is being more cautious, in my opinion.

eta - forgot to say "good-night" raisincharlie! I'll check in tomorrow!
G night Panthera - rest well so you can get back here and keep me in line. :)

[Melinda Tidwell]

MT,

Hope you are better now. After it was found out about MM, there hasn't been much else said although the local media did release some of the search warrants that have been returned. Briefly the returned warrants identify papers and some items LE removed from the home, information requesting forensic analysis of Jy's computer and MM's computer, information about JY's cell phone and another phone found in the SUV. You can find this information in the search warrant thread. Other than that, this case has been incredibly quiet. No new news for a while.

As for MM not saying anything - heck no one in this case is saying anything at all really. There have been zero 15 minute famers to date. Very odd but that is how it is going. So in two weeks you really have not missed anything. Do hope you are better.
Thanks , I am feeling better, finally. Maybe they are waiting until Xmas eve to arrest him. Merry Christmas Jason darling!!!!!!:laugh:

[Samiya]

:laugh: Welcome Melinda :)
Merry Christmas Jason darling!!!!!!:laugh:Now I have to go make another cup of coffee, and wipe my screen and keyboard!...

ETD: I was naughty :(

[Bee Charmer]

Does anyone know under what circumstances search
warrants and their results can be sealed? TIA

[raisincharlie]

Does anyone know under what circumstances search
warrants and their results can be sealed? TIA
Good Morning Bee Charmer,

I think the reasons may vary from state to state but the outcome is the same for example there are certain advantages to the State:

http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/234/chapter2/s211.html



(1) A copy of the sealed affidavit(s) shall be given to the defendant at or before the preliminary hearing unless otherwise ordered as provided in paragraph (H)(2).

(2) Upon motion of the attorney for the Commonwealth, the justice or judge who issued the warrant, for good cause shown, may delay giving the defendant a copy of the sealed affidavit(s) for periods of not more than 30 days. In no case shall the delay extend beyond the date of the court arraignment.

(3) If the justice or judge is unavailable, another justice or judge shall be assigned to decide the motion.

(I) If the motion requesting any extension pursuant to paragraphs (F) or (H) is granted, the motion and any record of the hearing on the motion shall be sealed and transmitted with the extension order to the clerk of courts. (J) When the order sealing the affidavit(s) and any extensions thereof expires, the clerk of courts shall make the affidavit(s) available for public inspection.



This rule establishes procedures for temporarily sealing the affidavit(s) supporting a search warrant. Ordinarily these procedures would be limited to cases in which an ongoing investigation using, for example, electronic surveillance (18 Pa.C.S. § 5701 et seq.) or an undercover agent, would be jeopardized by revealing the information necessary to support probable cause to obtain a search warrant. Therefore, when determining whether good cause exists to seal the affidavit(s), the justice or judge should consider, for example, whether revealing the information in the affidavit(s) would defeat an ongoing investigation or endanger an undercover agent or informant.

[Bee Charmer]

Thank you. This is the particular information I was
hoping could be confirmed:

Therefore, when determining whether good cause exists to seal the affidavit(s), the justice or judge should consider, for example, whether revealing the information in the affidavit(s) would defeat an ongoing investigation or endanger an undercover agent or informant.

[scandi]

So I take that last paragraph to say warrants can be sealed before there is an actual defendant in the case?

[raisincharlie]

So I take that last paragraph to say warrants can be sealed before there is an actual defendant in the case?I think that is a reasonable assumption Scandi. Please note that code referenced is PA - NC may have totally different specifics - PA was all I could find for demonstration purposes. What kind of fascinated me about this is if a warrant is sealed, it doesn't have to be given to a defense attorney until right before or at the prelim itself.

I noticed on several of the warrants we have seen in this case - there is mention that a copy was forwarded to R. Smith. Seems to me a clear signal JY's movements and communications are being investigated thoroughly. I can see these warrants being open so JY gets to sweat a bit. Interesting that the ones we have seen were also sent to the lawyer. We might not see too many more as they may be sealed at this point or they are simply not returned. Sure would like to see more - I like the probable cause sections, I really wonder about probable cause on that SUV and all of its contents...

[scandi]

Me too Charlie! Like who owned that fancy cellie. Stepdad or Jason? ? ? :D

[raisincharlie]

Me too Charlie! Like who owned that fancy cellie. Stepdad or Jason? ? ? :D
I'm wondering about that purtty cell as well. For some reason I have it in my head, and I don't know where this came from as I can find no articles stating such, that JY's brother in law was driving the SUV on the return to Raleigh. Not sure why it matters to me but...

[panthera]

I think Panthera might still be drooling over Miss USA! :D



ETA: Sorry Panthera, I don't know how, but I got your name and Paladin's turned around! :slap: I'll give myself a little spanking. ;)You're forgiven! (I don't even pay attention to who Miss USA is!! :D )

[panthera]

Maybe they are waiting until Xmas eve to arrest him. Merry Christmas Jason darling!!!!!!:laugh:OMG ~ you do have a sense of humor!
:D :D

[scandi]

That tickled my funny bone too, thinking he might be arrested before Christmas. LOLOLOL But I bet the RPD have now changed their diet of donuts for Christmas cookies and are down to bare bones till after the new year.

I know one thing though. The prosecutor is a very passionate woman with a most admirable track record in criminal cases. I bet her brain is on this case continually in some respect, and when an arrest does take place she will be a champion for justice with regard to Michelle's vicious murder and her family, including little Cassidy. It will be a great prosecution to watch and study!


Scandi

[panthera]

We might not see too many more as they may be sealed at this point or they are simply not returned. Sure would like to see more - I like the probable cause sections, I really wonder about probable cause on that SUV and all of its contents...Wouldn't the probable cause on the SUV be similar to that of Scott Peterson's truck? In this case, perhaps an alibi can't be confirmed which definitely establishes that JY was not able to commit the murder? (Just thinking....)

[panthera]

That tickled my funny bone too, thinking he might be arrested before Christmas. LOLOLOL But I bet the RPD have now changed their diet of donuts for Christmas cookies and are down to bare bones till after the new year.

I know one thing though. The prosecutor is a very passionate woman with a most admirable track record in criminal cases. I bet her brain is on this case continually in some respect, and when an arrest does take place she will be a champion for justice with regard to Michelle's vicious murder and her family, including little Cassidy. It will be a great prosecution to watch and study!


ScandiI would be surprised if the prosecutor doesn't spend her Christmas holidays pouring over everything she can to try to get enough to make an arrest in this case.
:)

[raisincharlie]

Wouldn't the probable cause on the SUV be similar to that of Scott Peterson's truck? In this case, perhaps an alibi can't be confirmed which definitely establishes that JY was not able to commit the murder? (Just thinking....)
I find that probable cause to be interesting because - the SUV was taken the second it got back to Raleigh which was the same day MY's body was found - I doubt LE would have been able to establish his whereabouts that quickly - I wish but it is doubtful. JMO

[panthera]

I find that probable cause to be interesting because - the SUV was taken the second it got back to Raleigh which was the same day MY's body was found - I doubt LE would have been able to establish his whereabouts that quickly - I wish but it is doubtful. JMOYes, you're right, it was immediately after he got home. That, combined with their (LE) statements from the get go that this wasn't random make me think they had suspicions about him from the start. Wonder if maybe Meredith suggested something to LE?

[raisincharlie]

Yes, you're right, it was immediately after he got home. That, combined with their (LE) statements from the get go that this wasn't random make me think they had suspicions about him from the start. Wonder if maybe Meredith suggested something to LE?I would think MF was questioned very shortly after LE arrived. No idea what would have been said but can guess about what was asked. Her answers may have indicated something - maybe not but something sure sparked an interest very quickly. I wouldn't rule out the baby relaying something either to MF before or after LE arrived at this point. JMO

ETA - then there is also the mysterious fax/printout, who knows what it really was?

[scandi]

I do believe that little Cassidy's words were taken to heart by Sheriff Harrison and the investigators which might be why we can not get a copy of the frinal transcript of that enhanced 911 call.

And just taking from a little rumor that something was done out of the ordinary to Michelle's body leads me to believe it also was a big red flag to LE this was not a random crime.

They were waiting to grab that car when it drove into the driveway, and think it could be because of these two points above.

[panthera]

I do believe that little Cassidy's words were taken to heart by Sheriff Harrison and the investigators which might be why we can not get a copy of the frinal transcript of that enhanced 911 call.

And just taking from a little rumor that something was done out of the ordinary to Michelle's body leads me to believe it also was a big red flag to LE this was not a random crime.

They were waiting to grab that car when it drove into the driveway, and think it could be because of these two points above.Yes, the more I think about it, it seems that little Cassidy may have said something or answered a question with the word "daddy". Could also be the doors were found locked, coupled with the "no signs of forced entry". The phone call to Meredith is suspicious enough that it was a ruse to get her over to the house, in my opinion!

[panthera]

ETA - then there is also the mysterious fax/printout, who knows what it really was?Other than a ruse to get Meredith over to the house, what could have been so important? And who is to say that Michelle wouldn't have seen it anyway, before Meredith got there ~ if indeed it were "legitimate". What's even more stange, is that it was reported to be an illustration of a handbag that Michelle wanted for Christmas. Doesn't that sound like the wallet Scott got Laci? :eek:

[raisincharlie]

Yes, the more I think about it, it seems that little Cassidy may have said something or answered a question with the word "daddy". Could also be the doors were found locked, coupled with the "no signs of forced entry". The phone call to Meredith is suspicious enough that it was a ruse to get her over to the house, in my opinion!
If you think about it - it makes sense given the following:

No forced entry - who can get in and out of the house without breaking in, first suspect list.

Doors locked when MF arrived: would a stranger lock the doors behind them after murdering someone. If the murderer locked the doors behind them - why ? Maybe to keep a baby inside - second suspect list.

Recover fax/printout: if MF still had the voicemail from JY to pick up the fax/printout and it was nothing major - suspect list narrowed as MF was called over at request - who called her to intervene?

No burglary: whoever came in wasn't interested in items on first floor as My's purse was in kitchen, no signs of burglary reported. third suspect list

starting to wonder how many times one name continues to pop up on the different lists.....

[scandi]

Charlie, I did read in the transcript from NG that a TH stated the door was open. NG cut him off quickly as maybe she felt he was giving out too much info at that point, but I've always wondered if that was when Meredith arrived or when the police arrived.

[panthera]

If you think about it - it makes sense given the following:

No forced entry - who can get in and out of the house without breaking in, first suspect list.

Doors locked when MF arrived: would a stranger lock the doors behind them after murdering someone. If the murderer locked the doors behind them - why ? Maybe to keep a baby inside - second suspect list.

Recover fax/printout: if MF still had the voicemail from JY to pick up the fax/printout and it was nothing major - suspect list narrowed as MF was called over at request - who called her to intervene?

No burglary: whoever came in wasn't interested in items on first floor as My's purse was in kitchen, no signs of burglary reported. third suspect list

starting to wonder how many times one name continues to pop up on the different lists.....You're right. Too many circumstantial pieces all fitting together to one conclusion.

[raisincharlie]

Charlie, I did read in the transcript from NG that a TH stated the door was open. NG cut him off quickly as maybe she felt he was giving out too much info at that point, but I've always wondered if that was when Meredith arrived or when the police arrived.
Scandi,

Being very honest - I have found that most of the TH's are never properly prepared on these talk shows and are primarily full of bs with the exception of Dr. Baden who lets it be known when he is speculating. I'm not at all sure how a TH would know if the door was open or not.

As for Ms. Grace - she was still carrying on about SD taking a shower even after the trial was over - I don't find Ms. Grace exactly credible since she perpetuated that rumor even after it was proven to not be so. I have come to believe she spawns more rumor than she ever resolves. JMO

[panthera]

Charlie, I did read in the transcript from NG that a TH stated the door was open. NG cut him off quickly as maybe she felt he was giving out too much info at that point, but I've always wondered if that was when Meredith arrived or when the police arrived.Open or unlocked? I'm thinking if the "perp" had left it either open or unlocked that Cassidy could've walked out of the house. The other thing regarding the "no sign of forced entry" pointing toward JY is that if Michelle had gone downstairs to answer the door, the perp would've attacked her right inside the front door, not chased her back upstairs to the bedroom. It appears to me that she was in bed when the attack began.

[poco]

As for Cassidy saying "daddy" - that doesn't sound too far fetched to me. The two people closest to her in the world are her mommy and daddy - if mommy isn't around or something happened to mommy she is going to cry for her daddy......

There are other things that point me more towards "daddy."

[raisincharlie]

As for Cassidy saying "daddy" - that doesn't sound too far fetched to me. The two people closest to her in the world are her mommy and daddy - if mommy isn't around or something happened to mommy she is going to cry for her daddy......

There are other things that point me more towards "daddy."
Such as ?

[Taximom]

As for Cassidy saying "daddy" - that doesn't sound too far fetched to me. The two people closest to her in the world are her mommy and daddy - if mommy isn't around or something happened to mommy she is going to cry for her daddy......

There are other things that point me more towards "daddy."
Poco, did you get to hear the 911 tape (all 5 minutes)? I think the only time Cassidy mentions daddy is when Meredith asks her if someone came over. My memory is shot, so I don't recall the exact question....

Cassidy wasn't crying and wasn't screaming for daddy on that tape. :( She wanted a washcloth to presumably (IMO) clean up her mommy because she didn't realize she was dead and probably thought that would help her mommy feel better.

I can think of the perfect Christmas present from LE! Please give me one murderer all wrapped up in paper imprinted with the words "Sweet Justice".

I'm going crazy with no news!!!

[panthera]

As for Cassidy saying "daddy" - that doesn't sound too far fetched to me. The two people closest to her in the world are her mommy and daddy - if mommy isn't around or something happened to mommy she is going to cry for her daddy......

There are other things that point me more towards "daddy."I think she may have said "daddy" when asked if she saw anyone, or who was there, etc., however LE can't use the words of a two year old to apprehend a suspect. I do recall that it sounded as if she said "daddy" during the 911 call.

[scandi]

No news today :doh: Friday before Christmas I was so hoping there would be some action in the case. What with the Duke news today, that probably queered it.

You guys just haven't listened to the tape where the voices had been clarified of background noise, etc. I heard Cassidy clearly ask for a washcloth and heard her say Daddy did it as plain as the nose on my face. I think Meredith asked her 'Was anybody here'. It was a trip to hear the things she said.

And now that tape is not floating around anymore - probably because it will be used at trial when they finally nail the b()%rd who committed this horendous murder. Scandi

[raisincharlie]

No news today :doh: Friday before Christmas I was so hoping there would be some action in the case. What with the Duke news today, that probably queered it.

You guys just haven't listened to the tape where the voices had been clarified of background noise, etc. I heard Cassidy clearly ask for a washcloth and heard her say Daddy did it as plain as the nose on my face. I think Meredith asked her 'Was anybody here'. It was a trip to hear the things she said.

And now that tape is not floating around anymore - probably because it will be used at trial when they finally nail the b()%rd who committed this horendous murder. Scandi
Scandi - has CC showed in your area yet ? Supposedly ED from AMW is on and will be commenting on the case - too late for me - I've missed it already.

[Taximom]

Scandi - has CC showed in your area yet ? Supposedly ED from AMW is on and will be commenting on the case - too late for me - I've missed it already.
Aw, SHOOT. I didn't watch it because I figured she'd be discussing the Duke case the whole show. :slap: -Me

[scandi]

Oh, No Charlie. I think her show is on at 5pm here. I'll double check as I am very thirsty for ANY news!~

Thanks for the one-up. Scandi

[raisincharlie]

Aw, SHOOT. I didn't watch it because I figured she'd be discussing the Duke case the whole show. :slap: -Me
My thought as well ! Just goes to show....not good to think sometimes. Of course she (CC) doesn't do transcipts so, this really smells.

[raisincharlie]

Oh, No Charlie. I think her show is on at 5pm here. I'll double check as I am very thirsty for ANY news!~

Thanks for the one-up. ScandiPlease watch closely - supposedly he says something we do not want to hear !


ETA - presumptuous of me to think you would be watching - sorry, but if you do would you be kind enough to let us know what is said ?

[panthera]

No news today :doh: Friday before Christmas I was so hoping there would be some action in the case. What with the Duke news today, that probably queered it.

You guys just haven't listened to the tape where the voices had been clarified of background noise, etc. I heard Cassidy clearly ask for a washcloth and heard her say Daddy did it as plain as the nose on my face. I think Meredith asked her 'Was anybody here'. It was a trip to hear the things she said.

And now that tape is not floating around anymore - probably because it will be used at trial when they finally nail the b()%rd who committed this horendous murder. ScandiI did hear the tape a couple of times, and did hear "daddy", but not as clearly as you're describing. The problem is that the child is only two years old, so on her word alone, LE can't arrest "daddy", but you're right ~ the tape can be used at trial.

[panthera]

Scandi - has CC showed in your area yet ? Supposedly ED from AMW is on and will be commenting on the case - too late for me - I've missed it already.Oh, I missed it also at 5:00pm, but isn't it on again at 8:00pm ET?
:(

[Taximom]

Oh, I missed it also at 5:00pm, but isn't it on again at 8:00pm ET?
:(
I don't think CC repeats on CTV like the other shows do. :(

Has anyone at CTV mentioned anything about CC?

Scandi, if you watch, I truly appreciate your report!!!

[panthera]

I don't think CC repeats on CTV like the other shows do. :(

Has anyone at CTV mentioned anything about CC?

Scandi, if you watch, I truly appreciate your report!!!Thanks ~ and like everyone else I thought the 'talk' would be about Duke tonight. ;)

[raisincharlie]

I don't think CC repeats on CTV like the other shows do. :(

Has anyone at CTV mentioned anything about CC?

Scandi, if you watch, I truly appreciate your report!!!

Ocean did on another website but I do not want to say as I do not want to put any ideas in Scandi's head if she does get to watch. If you want to know I will PM you but as I said - I don't want to put any idea out if we have west coast friends who can watch it yet.

[panthera]

Ocean did on another website but I do not want to say as I do not want to put any ideas in Scandi's head if she does get to watch. If you want to know I will PM you but as I said - I don't want to put any idea out if we have west coast friends who can watch it yet.OK ~ I'll check in a hour and see if perhaps, by some chance it's on again!! :D

[scandi]

Yes, she comes on here at 5, in 20 min. I've had CTV on and all they are talking about is the Duke fiasco!

One interesting thing though. Wade Smith was sitting in the group of attorneys at the news conference. The group looked like an oil painting from the the time of our founding fathers, except for the clothes. Older respectable men with silver white hair, and one guy had a silver goatee that would knock your socks off.

When they were done the announcer came on and said that was the very best news conference by a group of attorneys that she had ever seen. :D They were very low key, almost reserved but amiable. And then it was really funny, because the last thing the attorney said was Oh, they only dropped the one charge!

I found myself wondering if we would be seeing something like this with Michelle's case, but don't think so. All together different. Unfortunately Wade Smith was a sharp guy, kind of like an old well heeled snake charmer! BaHaHaHaHAHa Scandi

[oceanblueeyes]

No news today :doh: Friday before Christmas I was so hoping there would be some action in the case. What with the Duke news today, that probably queered it.

You guys just haven't listened to the tape where the voices had been clarified of background noise, etc. I heard Cassidy clearly ask for a washcloth and heard her say Daddy did it as plain as the nose on my face. I think Meredith asked her 'Was anybody here'. It was a trip to hear the things she said.

And now that tape is not floating around anymore - probably because it will be used at trial when they finally nail the b()%rd who committed this horendous murder. Scandi


Hi Scandi if CC is shown later for you then you need to watch it.

I watched it and so did another poster but will let you make your own determination on what is said by Ed who is with AMW and what he has learned about the case. Listen real close to what he says.

Merry Christmas!

IMO

Ocean

[panthera]

Well, I just found out it's not repeated!!

:confused:

[oceanblueeyes]

Well, I just found out it's not repeated!!

:confused:

Sorry panthera. No they dont have a repeat. Darn it.

I wish they did.

[panthera]

Sorry panthera. No they dont have a repeat. Darn it.

I wish they did.Me too! I could've turned it on at 5:00pm but we were waiting for the shuttle landing ~ and who would've guessed that something important in Michelle's case would've been on!
:rolleyes:

[scandi]

I'm watching CC right now. I already read the blurb about it at CTV, so I will extra attentive now and write it down as he speaks. LOL

It is hard sometimes, as if you don't get the words exactly right it throws the meaning off. Scandi

[raisincharlie]

I'm watching CC right now. I already read the blurb about it at CTV, so I will extra attentive now and write it down as he speaks. LOL

It is hard sometimes, as if you don't get the words exactly right it throws the meaning off. Scandi
Thanks luv - appreciate it.

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks luv - appreciate it.


Me too! I want to know if my ears are failing me and Shells too. We may have to get matching hearing aides.

Ocean

[raisincharlie]

Me too! I want to know if my ears are failing me and Shells too. We may have to get matching hearing aides.

Ocean
Ocean,

I don't doubt you - but now this thing has spun out to JY's parents are now saying he was in Brevard when MY was killed. I recall very early on in this case Sheriff Harrison commented that family alibi's are rarely reliable and thought it was an odd thing to say but it has never left my mind. Then we have Fussell saying JY told him at MY's funeral that JY went to VA on business. Something is way out of kilter here and I just have a hard time with some guy who has zero to do with this case going on TV and repeating what supposedly police told him when the police are saying zero zip nada - something is not right IMO.

[oceanblueeyes]

Ocean,

I don't doubt you - but now this thing has spun out to JY's parents are now saying he was in Brevard when MY was killed. I recall very early on in this case Sheriff Harrison commented that family alibi's are rarely reliable and thought it was an odd thing to say but it has never left my mind. Then we have Fussell saying JY told him at MY's funeral that JY went to VA on business. Something is way out of kilter here and I just have a hard time with some guy who has zero to do with this case going on TV and repeating what supposedly police told him when the police are saying zero zip nada - something is not right IMO.

Now I am beginning to doubt myself. Another reporter talked before Ed and he mentioned about Brevard and Jason being there with his parents when they gave him the news.

Ocean

[Samiya]

Man...I so do not get CCL over here..need pay tv :(

Waiting for Scandi :)

[raisincharlie]

Now I am beginning to doubt myself. Another reporter talked before Ed and he mentioned about Brevard and Jason being there with his parents when they gave him the news.

Ocean
Don't - people are running every which way with this right now - lets see what Scandi gets out of it. Darn it CC should do transcripts...

[Samiya]

Now I am beginning to doubt myself. Another reporter talked before Ed and he mentioned about Brevard and Jason being there with his parents when they gave him the news.

OceanDon't doubt yourself Ocean :) ......stepdaddy met him up the garden path remember so he was 'there' when they gave him the news (just arrived apparently).

ETC "stepdaddy"

[panthera]

Ocean,

I don't doubt you - but now this thing has spun out to JY's parents are now saying he was in Brevard when MY was killed. I recall very early on in this case Sheriff Harrison commented that family alibi's are rarely reliable and thought it was an odd thing to say but it has never left my mind. Then we have Fussell saying JY told him at MY's funeral that JY went to VA on business. Something is way out of kilter here and I just have a hard time with some guy who has zero to do with this case going on TV and repeating what supposedly police told him when the police are saying zero zip nada - something is not right IMO.Thank you for the condensed version of what I missed today. I agree something's not adding up :waitasec:

[scandi]

That sure was pretty short!

There are no other suspects.

He has been placed at the parents home at the time of the discovery of the body, AND NOT NECESSARILY AT THE TIME OF HER DEATH.

Can't place him at his home at the time of her death, he is not a suspect but rather is a POI. He would have had to been at his home at a pointed time to be named a suspect.

NEW TO ME:

LE found his will and insurance documents which were highly questionable, but not enough to nail him. And a brief comment that he as a reporter was not sure if this had something to do with MM.

Scandi

[Samiya]

Ocean,

Something is way out of kilter here and I just have a hard time with some guy who has zero to do with this case going on TV and repeating what supposedly police told him when the police are saying zero zip nada - something is not right IMO.
Does anyone know if the guy says 'when' he spoke to LE or LE spoke to him?

[raisincharlie]

That sure was pretty short!

There are no other suspects.

He has been placed at the parents home at the time of the discovery of the body, AND NOT NECESSARILY AT THE TIME OF HER DEATH.

Can't place him at his home at the time of her death, he is not a suspect but rather is a POI. He would have had to been at his home at a pointed time to be named a suspect.

NEW TO ME:

LE found his will and insurance documents which were highly questionable, but not enough to nail him. And a brief comment that he as a reporter was not sure if this had something to do with MM.

Scandi
Thanks luv - will have an extra egg nog in toast to you ! You have cleared up much. You rock sweetie !

[scandi]

And other notes:

What this told me is his parents have not given him an alibi of his being at their house at the time of her death, but they can not place him at his own residence at the pointed time of her death either. This qualifies him as a POI and not a suspect at this time.

Also the will and insurance papers blurb came righ after he mentioned they couldn't place him at his own house at the pointed time of death, so by inferrance I assumed those papers were discovered at the home, but the AM
W did not specificly say that.

They got a lot of evidence from his home, taking things out on a regular basis over the time period of a week. Scandi

[oceanblueeyes]

That sure was pretty short!

There are no other suspects.

He has been placed at the parents home at the time of the discovery of the body, AND NOT NECESSARILY AT THE TIME OF HER DEATH.

Can't place him at his home at the time of her death, he is not a suspect but rather is a POI. He would have had to been at his home at a pointed time to be named a suspect.

NEW TO ME:

LE found his will and insurance documents which were highly questionable, but not enough to nail him. And a brief comment that he as a reporter was not sure if this had something to do with MM.

Scandi

Well at least I got most of it right. lol I thought Ed said that they had not named him a suspect OR a point of interest. I thought that made sense as LE has not come out and said he is either one.

But you say that he is a POI. Thanks for clearing that up.

But it seems that his alibi is checking out if they cant place him close to the home. Maybe he hired a hit man.

IMO

Ocean

[Samiya]

And other notes:

What this told me is his parents have not given him an alibi of his being at their house at the time of her death, but they can not place him at his own residence at the pointed time of her death either. This qualifies him as a POI and not a suspect at this time.

Also the will and insurance papers blurb came righ after he mentioned they couldn't place him at his own house at the pointed time of death, so by inferrance I assumed those papers were discovered at the home, but the AM
W did not specificly say that.

They got a lot of evidence from his home, taking things out on a regular basis over the time period of a week. Scandi
Thanks Scandi, :) What would we do without you :clap:

I was hoping for something exciting and there is a little bit (what in his will would be highly questionable? Maybe it was recently changed?)

No other suspects...(and no other POI's mentioned either).

Sounds like they've got the TOD nailed down further.

IMO...Just because they can't put him there doesn't mean he wasn't there. They just haven't been able to find something to suggest he was there at this time.....still waiting on some forensics perhaps?

Sami

[oceanblueeyes]

Ocean,

I don't doubt you - but now this thing has spun out to JY's parents are now saying he was in Brevard when MY was killed. I recall very early on in this case Sheriff Harrison commented that family alibi's are rarely reliable and thought it was an odd thing to say but it has never left my mind. Then we have Fussell saying JY told him at MY's funeral that JY went to VA on business. Something is way out of kilter here and I just have a hard time with some guy who has zero to do with this case going on TV and repeating what supposedly police told him when the police are saying zero zip nada - something is not right IMO.

I certainly didnt hear that on CC. All I heard on the Brevard connection was the same old same old. He was there when notified of her death.

IMO

Ocean

[panthera]

That sure was pretty short!

There are no other suspects.

He has been placed at the parents home at the time of the discovery of the body, AND NOT NECESSARILY AT THE TIME OF HER DEATH.

Can't place him at his home at the time of her death, he is not a suspect but rather is a POI. He would have had to been at his home at a pointed time to be named a suspect.

NEW TO ME:

LE found his will and insurance documents which were highly questionable, but not enough to nail him. And a brief comment that he as a reporter was not sure if this had something to do with MM.

ScandiGreat work and thanks so much, Scandi! :D
I surmised as much or he would've been named a suspect already. Hope LE uncovers some "evidence" and he doesn't get away with this murder (assuming he committed it, of course!).

[scandi]

Now I am beginning to doubt myself. Another reporter talked before Ed and he mentioned about Brevard and Jason being there with his parents when they gave him the news.

Ocean

They must have edited that black reporters comments as I heard him say nothing about this.

Ed from AMW definately said because they couldn't place him at his home at the pointed time of her death he was not a suspect but rather a POI.

Ed chooses his words very carefully I noticed. Using words like pointed and the expression not necessarily as examples, adds a little depth to what he is saying.

[raisincharlie]

Thanks Scandi, :) What would we do without you :clap:

I was hoping for something exciting and there is a little bit (what in his will would be highly questionable? Maybe it was recently changed?)

No other suspects...(and no other POI's mentioned either).

Sounds like they've got the TOD nailed down further.

IMO...Just because they can't put him there doesn't mean he wasn't there. They just haven't been able to find something to suggest he was there at this time.....still waiting on some forensics perhaps?

Sami
Sami,

I agree, LE cannot say with any certainty that JY was in his home at time X when MY was murdered, however as you say that doesn't mean he wasn't there or that LE is thinking he wasn't there. But this does rule out the rumor that a delivery person saw something if there are no other susects or POIs. And yes I would also agree the TOD is known to LE and it is more specific than 12 to 6 am. JMO


Scandi - so excellent:clap:
Ocean - you don't need a hearing aid :)

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks Scandi, :) What would we do without you :clap:

I was hoping for something exciting and there is a little bit (what in his will would be highly questionable? Maybe it was recently changed?)

No other suspects...(and no other POI's mentioned either).

Sounds like they've got the TOD nailed down further.

IMO...Just because they can't put him there doesn't mean he wasn't there. They just haven't been able to find something to suggest he was there at this time.....still waiting on some forensics perhaps?

Sami

I dont know Sami. If they cannot place him there then that means they have validated his alibi so his forensics aren't going to be found there imo. Now he may have hired a hit man to do this and made it look messy to throw that off. I think it is highly significant that LE cant place him in the home.

Happy Holidays!

Ocean

[scandi]

So there is nothing new about Brevard, right, except he does not have an alibi from his parents that he was at their home in Brevard at the time Michelle was murdered. That is a very good thing!

We had already heard from the 'insider' that Jason was not informed of the death while driving to their home in Bravard, and by a link that he was informed of this in his parents driveway as he arrived at their house. So that must be true.

[oceanblueeyes]

Sami,

I agree, LE cannot say with any certainty that JY was in his home at time X when MY was murdered, however as you say that doesn't mean he wasn't there or that LE is thinking he wasn't there. But this does rule out the rumor that a delivery person saw something if there are no other susects or POIs. And yes I would also agree the TOD is known to LE and it is more specific than 12 to 6 am. JMO


Scandi - so excellent:clap:
Ocean - you don't need a hearing aid :)


LOL well I did think he said he wasnt a suspect or a POI and Scandi says Ed did say he is a POI. So maybe I need to just pay attention to those little words like "or and is" lol

IMO

Ocean

[raisincharlie]

I certainly didnt hear that on CC. All I heard on the Brevard connection was the same old same old. He was there when notified of her death.

IMO

OceanOcean,

I know what you said you heard but there is another location that has another interpretation all together which is why I asked Scandi if she could watch for us and let us know. As I recall you have said you can no longer see this place - is that still true ? That is where it is being said he was at his parents home the night MY was murdered and it must be a hitman or an unknown because JY's alibi checks out. Just repeating how what you posted at one location was rapidly evolving into something else at another location.

Hope you understand - I did not doubt you - I know better. What I questioned I asked you directly and you responded - that was good enough for me.:blowkiss:

ETA - Ed may be a really good guy but I still don't understand why he would be repeating what police have said to him (if they did) so that JY's lawyer could be privy to that information. IMO that is not anyway to keep a source happy.

[scandi]

I dont know Sami. If they cannot place him there then that means they have validated his alibi so his forensics aren't going to be found there imo. Now he may have hired a hit man to do this and made it look messy to throw that off. I think it is highly significant that LE cant place him in the home.

Happy Holidays!

Ocean

But Ocean my dear, isn't it joyous news that his parents have not been able to alibi him for the time when she was actually murdered?

I didn't hear that he has an alibi for the time she was killed unless you have heard of someone other than his parents. I have heard no rumors about this.

Fussell spoke too quickly after the murder to have planned his statements well for future disecting, so I think he spoke the basic truth. I think LE learned a lot from Fussell.

[oceanblueeyes]

They must have edited that black reporters comments as I heard him say nothing about this.

Ed from AMW definitely said because they couldn't place him at his home at the pointed time of her death he was not a suspect but rather a POI.

Ed chooses his words very carefully I noticed. Using words like pointed and the expression not necessarily as examples, adds a little depth to what he is saying.

I find Ed very credible. He has been with AMW for quite awhile and always has inside sources on many cases.

I dont think they are going to find a thing in the home forensically that ties JY to this crime. I think they have checked his alibi and it is holding true.

Do you think he may have hired a hit man?

IMO

Ocean

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I haven't heard anything that they have validated an alibi for Jason at the exact time of Michelle's death, only an alibi for the time she was discovered which really means nothing, right?

So I think that's what Charlie is saying, that he might have been at the home when Michelle was killed, they just haven't found proof of that yet, or they are mayb