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anthrobones
12-26-2006, 07:12 PM
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/753dfmi.html

Ida Dean Richardson-Anderson
Missing since September 18, 1958 from Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan.
Classification: Missing




Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: March 22, 1937
Age at Time of Disappearance: 21 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'2; 110 pounds
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; blue eyes.
Other: Ida's maiden name is "Richardson."



Circumstances of Disappearance
Ida resided with her family in Florida in the mid-1950s. She became pregnant in 1955 at age 18 and married her baby's father, Kenneth, shortly thereafter. Kenneth was employed part-time as a musician. They settled in the Detroit, Michigan area and had two additional children by 1958.

The marriage was troubled and Ida often wrote about financial difficulties in letters to her relatives in Florida. Ida took her three children and left Kenneth in February 1958. She was hospitalized due to rheumatic fever and ulcers shortly afterwards. Kenneth placed the children in a boarding home while Ida was ill. The state of Michigan took custody of their children as a result of his actions and Ida and Kenneth spent the next six months attempting to regain their parental rights.

Ida was scheduled to receive custody of her children in mid-September 1958, but no one is certain if she was aware of that fact. She vanished on September 18 and has never been heard from again.
Ida's children were adopted by other families due to her disappearance. Her oldest son and daughter were adopted by the same family and their names were changed.

Arrangements had been made for Ida and the children to fly to Jacksonville, Florida after she was awarded custody in 1958. Airplane tickets had been purchased, but they were never used.

Ida's three children were reunited in 1995 and began searching for her with the assistance of other relatives. Ida has not been located as an unidentified deceased victim and a search of hospital records has proven that she was not admitted to any facilities in Michigan and surrounding states after her 1958 disappearance under her name. Her family is concerned that she may have been institutionalized or that she is homeless and does not know her identity.




I wonder where the husband is now??

Richard
09-12-2007, 02:56 PM
Missing for 49 Years...

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Ida Dean Richardson-Anderson
Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan
Missing since September 18, 1958
Classification: Missing

Vital Statistics
Date of Birth: March 22, 1937
Age at time of disappearance: 21-years-old
Approximate Height: 5'2
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Blue
Approximate Weight: 110
Distinguishing Characteristics: Caucasian female. Ida's maiden name is Richardson.

Circumstances

Ida resided with her family in Florida in the mid-1950s. She became pregnant in 1955 at age 18 and married her baby's father, Kenneth Gerald Anderson (nicknamed "Jerry") shortly thereafter. Kenneth was employed part-time as a musician. They settled in the Detroit, Michigan area and had two additional children by 1958.

The marriage was troubled and Ida often wrote about financial difficulties in letters to her relatives in Florida. Ida took her three children and left Kenneth in February 1958. She was hospitalized due to rheumatic fever and ulcers shortly afterwards. Kenneth placed the children in a boarding home while Ida was ill. The state of Michigan took custody of their children as a result of his actions and Ida and Kenneth spent the next six months attempting to regain their parental rights.

Ida was scheduled to receive custody of her children in mid-September 1958, but no one is certain if she was aware of that fact. She vanished on September 18 and has never been heard from again. Ida's children were adopted by other families due to her disappearance. Her oldest son and daughter were adopted by the same family and their names were changed to Dan Borgers and Beverly Borgers. The two siblings were raised in Fraser, Michigan. Ida's youngest daughter was adopted by a family residing in Michigan's Upper Pennisula and was renamed Deborah Lindeman.

Arrangements had been made for Ida and the children to fly to Jacksonville, Florida after she was awarded custody in 1958. Airplane tickets had been purchased, but they were never used.

Ida's three children were reunited in 1995 and began searching for her with the assistance of other relatives. Ida has not been located as an unidentified deceased victim and a search of hospital records has proven that she was not admitted to any facilities in Michigan and surrounding states after her 1958 disappearance under her name. Her family is concerned that she may have been institutionalized or that she is homeless and does not know her identity. Ida's case remains unsolved.

Source:
Dan Borgers
Ida Richardson-Anderson's son
615-500-6420
Michigan Does - Ida Dean Richardson-Anderson

LINK:

http://www.michigandoes.com/MP/IdaAnderson.html

Teresa Larson
09-12-2007, 11:56 PM
I wonder if Kenneth knew she was getting their children back and also why would her family think she could be in an institution or forget who she was? I can't imagine that she was mentally ill because they wouldn't have allowed her to have her children back. IMO

pardilia
09-13-2007, 12:39 PM
I wonder if Kenneth knew she was getting their children back and also why would her family think she could be in an institution or forget who she was? I can't imagine that she was mentally ill because they wouldn't have allowed her to have her children back. IMO

As she had been hospitalized with rheumatic fever which can affect the brain, it is very well a possibility that she could have been slightly mentally affected by it at the time, but it wasn't mentioned in court papers so as to not hamper her ability to get back her children. (Or it could be that they're including it as a possibility solely to explain her disappearance since it *is* a possible result/complication of the fever)

I think its curious to see that her husband isn't mentioned - it says they were *both* trying to get back their parental rights...I wonder if he had something to do with her disappearance?

Teresa Larson
09-14-2007, 03:02 AM
As she had been hospitalized with rheumatic fever which can affect the brain, it is very well a possibility that she could have been slightly mentally affected by it at the time, but it wasn't mentioned in court papers so as to not hamper her ability to get back her children. (Or it could be that they're including it as a possibility solely to explain her disappearance since it *is* a possible result/complication of the fever)

I think its curious to see that her husband isn't mentioned - it says they were *both* trying to get back their parental rights...I wonder if he had something to do with her disappearance?

I looked this up on line and this is the information I got..... Rheumatic fever primarily affects children between ages 6 and 15 years and occurs approximately 20 days after strep throat or scarlet fever. Rheumatic fever is common worldwide and is responsible for many cases of damaged heart valves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_valve). In the Western countries, it became fairly rare since the 1960s, probably due to widespread use of antibiotics to treat streptococcus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streptococcus) infections. It also said that it very rarely caused brain damage however they may have not known this back then. She might have had strep throat. I wonder if she was slow or had something else wrong with her for the family to think she might not know who she is/was. Has anyone ever checked with social security to find out if she ever applied for a card at some point over the years? The poor thing may have just given up and walked away. :(

Bluecat
09-14-2007, 10:40 PM
I wonder about this idea of her being institutionalized and not knowing who she was...I've heard before of families raising up the idea that their missing loved one is wandering out in the world with amnesia, and fixating on that idea. Sometimes it's easier to hold onto that than to realize that she might *not* be walking around this world anymore. Alternately, could Kenneth had spread around a story, to turn focus away from him? She had left him, and although it says that they both fought to get custody back I wonder if it was really just her. He may have forseen child support payments and alimony...if money was already a problem, how would this make things any easier? Did anyone take a good hard look at him?

Richard
02-29-2008, 07:34 PM
Bumping case up. The 50 year anniversary of Ida's disappearance is this year.

KarlK
02-29-2008, 10:59 PM
I wonder about this idea of her being institutionalized and not knowing who she was...I've heard before of families raising up the idea that their missing loved one is wandering out in the world with amnesia, and fixating on that idea. Sometimes it's easier to hold onto that than to realize that she might *not* be walking around this world anymore. Alternately, could Kenneth had spread around a story, to turn focus away from him? She had left him, and although it says that they both fought to get custody back I wonder if it was really just her. He may have forseen child support payments and alimony...if money was already a problem, how would this make things any easier? Did anyone take a good hard look at him?

There are important pieces of info missing, but Jerry Anderson killing his estranged wife to avoid alimony sounds unlikely, in those days deadbeat ex's were even less bothered by the courts than they are now, if they wanted to avoid paying all they had to do was... to not pay and that was it. But Anderson was seeking custody of his kids so I doubt alimony was bothering him. But unfortunately there just isn't enough info on Jerry to make any guesses.

Odyssey
04-30-2009, 12:24 AM
Here is the text of a couple of the letters:

Ida had an upcoming court date regarding custody of her children.

Letter #1 (written in August 1958) reads:

Dear Mama,
I am very sorry I forgot to mail your letter sooner. But, have been very busy looking for a job. So far I have had no luck.
I found out from a friend of mine in Chicago where Jerry (her estranged husband) is living and I thought I would write him for some money and just pray he will send it to me.
The Court still won't let me see the kids.
I have to go to Court the 4th of September at 4 o'clock.
I sure wish I knew for sure they were going to let me have the kids back. I have a funny feeling about it. I don't think they are.
They will have a hell of a fight on their hands if they try to take them away from me. And God help them if they do.
How are you feeling? Fine I hope.
How are Belle and her new baby ?
Is Frank still working? How is Joe and his wife getting along? I am very anxious to meet her.
I can't wait to bring the kids home and believe me once I get there nothing is ever going to make me leave again.
I am bringing a friend down who is going to watch thekids for me whil i go to work.
We are hoping to get jobs so that one of us will be with the kids all the time. She knows Jerry and hates him almost as much as I do, if that's possible.
Well, mama I guess I had better close for today so that I will have something to say (in my next letter)

Letter #4

Ida was in the hospital with pneumonia when she wrote this letter, her last.

When she writes, "did you get to court? What did they say?", Ida is referring to another order by the probate judge that her mother agree to the plan for Ida to bring us three kids down to Jacksonville Beach to live with Ida's mom, our grandma. Grandma agreed to help.


The letter reads:
Dear Mama,
Sorry I didn't write as promised but as Belle maybe had told you I am in the hospital again.
I had pneumonia plus my ulcer was acting up again.
This may be very short as I am under heavy sedation.
Did you get to court? What did they say.

Love,
Ida

Odyssey
04-30-2009, 12:30 AM
Ida was hospitalized in Ann Arbor, Michigan shortly before Jerry Anderson abandoned their children in March 1958. The children were taken into state custody and put into foster care. When Ida was released from the hospital, she tried to regain custody. Ida vanished the day she was due to appear in Probate Court. Prior arrangements had been made for Ida and her children to fly to Jacksonville Beach, Florida. Tickets were purchased, but never used. Ida has not been seen since.

After a 20 years search by Ida's son, Dan, her children were reunited in 1995 with each other and all birth family members...except for Ida.

Over the years hundreds of letters have been written, thousands of miles traveled, databases checked, private investigators hired, and all efforts have failed. Belle, Ida's sister, made countless long distance calls from Florida to Michigan at the time of her disappearance. Belle wrote letters to all the authorities in a five state area. Ida was never identified as a deceased Jane Doe, nor was she found to be in any hospital. She may have been institutionalized. Perhaps she is homeless and doesn't know who she is today.

Our last hope is that someone will recognize Ida's picture and possibly remember her. Perhaps someone has knowledge regarding the circumstances surrounding her disappearance or her present whereabouts. We are also looking for Ida's friend, Carol Moser. She may have information regarding this case.

Please contact us if you have any recollection of Ida or could offer some much needed media attention. Time is running out for us. Thank you for visiting our site.

Dan Borgers (Ida's son ), Beverly Borgers and Deborah Lindeman (Ida's daughters), Belle, Frank, and Joe Richardson (Ida's sister and brothers), and Audrey Schultz (widow of Ida's oldest brother, George)

**This and the above texts from letters are from the now defunct website http://geocities.com/whereisida It is accessible now only through the internet archives:
http://web.archive.org/web/20031016082905/www.geocities.com/whereisida/

**The sentences about Ida's friend was bolded by me as it is not mentioned in other descriptions of her case.

Debbie Miller
04-30-2009, 11:04 AM
Perhaps someone has knowledge regarding the circumstances surrounding her disappearance or her present whereabouts. We are also looking for Ida's friend, Carol Moser. She may have information regarding this case.


Any idea how old Carol would be, was Moser her maiden name and did she live in Michigan?

Debbie Miller
04-30-2009, 11:31 AM
I had an aunt who when she was a child suffered from rheumatic fever and left her with heart problems and no brain damage.


Where was Ida staying when she vanished? This doesn't seem right that she would take off on the day she is to find out if she can have custody of her children.

Odyssey
04-30-2009, 11:37 AM
Also, I wonder why the web page was taken down? (The first time I tried to follow a link to the page, I got a "page not found" and I had to use the wayback machine to view it. This was probably about a year ago)

btw I did submit this PM last year but never got a reply

http://doenetwork.org/cases/132ufde.html

The Doe Network:
Case File 132UFDE

Reconstructions of Victim

Unidentified White Female

Located on June 27, 1977 in Townsend, New Castle County, Delaware.
Estimated date of Death: January 1, 1977


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Vital Statistics


Estimated age: 35 - 50 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 5'3"-5'6" ; 90-110 lbs
Distinguishing Characteristics: Thin build. She had given birth to at least two children during her lifetime. Scar on right buttock. Osteoarthrisis sternum and thorasic vertebrae.
Dentals: Charts and x-rays available; Teeth- amalgum fillings #3, 5, 7, 11, 12, 14, 15 in upper jaw, 21, 28, 30, in lower jaw. Evidence of heavy accumulation of tar, old extraction in lower jaw, removable appliance in upper jaw, and gum disease.
Clothing: None located
DNA: Available


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Case History
On June 27, 1977, County Police detectives responded to a rural area outside of Townsend, Delaware after skeletal remains were found in an open field. The unidentified woman was a homicide victim.
It was discovered that Serial-killer Henry Lee Lucas lived in Elkton, Maryland, which is very close to the area where the remains were found. Investigators also found that writings Lucas made while he was serving time in a Texas prison have many similarities to the crime scene and information that was developed.
It was also discovered that Henry Lucas claimed to have brought a female from Michigan to Delaware and left her body here. In 1983, Lucas confessed to killing 6 women in Delaware, but he later recanted.
No local leads were ever developed making investigators believe that the victim may in fact be from the Michigan area.



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Investigators
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
New Castle County Police
Major Jim Hedrick
302-395-8015
You may remain anonymous when submitting information to any agency.

Agency Case Numbers:
32-77-40780 & DE0020300

NCIC Number:
Not Entered
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

Source Information:
New Castle County Police

Debbie Miller
04-30-2009, 11:42 AM
How did you submit the pm? email or phone?

also does Ida's family have sample dna from them in the database to compare? if so was it in there at the time of the pm submission or after?

Debbie Miller
04-30-2009, 11:43 AM
Any idea who put the page up to begin with?

Odyssey
04-30-2009, 11:48 AM
How did you submit the pm? email or phone?

also does Ida's family have sample dna from them in the database to compare? if so was it in there at the time of the pm submission or after?


I submitted by email but I had to submit to the LE associated with the Doe, as I couldn't find any info on LE for the MP. I think I saw something on the MP listing for DNA and it said "not entered" or something. I'm not sure the MP case has ever been filed with LE. Even Charley Project lists the "Investigative Agency" as Ida's son. So this may have easily fallen through the cracks.

Odyssey
04-30-2009, 11:49 AM
Any idea who put the page up to begin with?


Yes it was her son Dan. This link will still take you to the page.

http://web.archive.org/web/20031016082905/www.geocities.com/whereisida/

Debbie Miller
04-30-2009, 11:55 AM
I'm not sure the MP case has ever been filed with LE. Even Charley Project lists the "Investigative Agency" as Ida's son. So this may have easily fallen through the cracks.

Dan may need to file a mp report and make sure this information is in the dna database.

Odyssey
04-30-2009, 12:13 PM
Dan may need to file a mp report and make sure this information is in the dna database.

I agree 100%. I thought about emailing him to suggest that but I figured I'd be beating a dead horse, I'm sure he has been told/asked about that a thousand times. I'm pretty sure Charley Project brought that to his attention as it is rare to see a listing on Charley Project with no LE info. It is also possible that it was filed but just isn't listed on any LE websites.

I really hope for a resolution on this though, Ida would be 72 now.

Debbie Miller
04-30-2009, 01:27 PM
That is really strange if he wouldn't make an official police report. Does he feel it useless since there was nothing a PI could do to find her? Did you tell him of the PM you found? Is he under the impression that she just walked away and he was hoping to find her thru the efforts of his webpage and the doenetwork or charley project? It is possible that he doesn't want to think of the worst case scenerio.

Has he ever located their father?

Odyssey
04-30-2009, 01:40 PM
That is really strange if he wouldn't make an official police report. Does he feel it useless since there was nothing a PI could do to find her? Did you tell him of the PM you found? Is he under the impression that she just walked away and he was hoping to find her thru the efforts of his webpage and the doenetwork or charley project? It is possible that he doesn't want to think of the worst case scenerio.

Has he ever located their father?

I have never had any communication with Ida's family. I admittedly am much better at behind-the-scenes research than I am at initiating contact with the parties involved. Especially in a case like this where the web page has been taken down and I don't know why.

It would be interesting though to find out exactly when she was released from the hospital and if anybody came to pick her up.

Debbie Miller
04-30-2009, 01:59 PM
In 1995 three siblings were reunited in what I can only imagine was a bittersweet reunion. In 1958 their mother, Ida Dean Richardson Anderson (http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/richardson-anderson_ida.html) vanished without a trace and her son and two daughters were forced to begin a chapter of their lives without her.

A young, 18 year old Ida became pregnant in 1955 and, as was the custom then, married the father, Kenneth Anderson (http://z13.invisionfree.com/PorchlightUSA/index.php?showtopic=3024), also known as Jerry. They began their marriage in Florida where Ida was living with her parents. Jerry Anderson was a musician and I surmise he and Ida and their young child traveled the circuit, finally settling down in Detroit, Michigan, and adding two more children to the family.

It's stated that their marriage was troubled, emotionally and financially, and Ida wrote about it to her family members still living in Florida. She left Kenneth Anderson, took her children, however, shortly afterwards was hospitalized with rheumatic fever and ulcers in February of 1958.

At that time, her husband was not able to care for the three young children and placed them in a "boarding home." It's not reported if the boarding home was an orphanage for children or just a private home which took in indigent children. As a recourse to this action the State of Michigan gained custody of the three children.

After Ida was released from the hospital, she and Kenneth Anderson attempted to regain custody of their children for the next six months. Ida was scheduled to receive custody in September, 1958. A plane ticket to Florida had been purchased for her and the children, however, on the 18th of September she vanished and has never been heard from again, the plane tickets never used.

Ida's son and older daughter were adopted by the same family and raised near Fraser, Michigan, while her younger daughter was adopted by another family and raised in the Upper Peninsula area of Michigan. After they were reunited they started to search for the mother who disappeared from their lives without a trace.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_W_tx2Wjqc5M/SfJrpuDegnI/AAAAAAAABJY/Yc84QWEkBCE/s400/richardson-anderson_ida2.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_W_tx2Wjqc5M/SfJrpuDegnI/AAAAAAAABJY/Yc84QWEkBCE/s1600-h/richardson-anderson_ida2.jpg)
The 51 year old cold case has never been solved, there is no unidentified deceased person matching her description and searches through hospital records in Michigan and surrounding states show no one by the name of Ida Dean Richardson Anderson as being a patient.

Recently, Track Missing, a missing persons organization based in Michigan has tried to help the family with their search. It's Founder, Chad Scott, says that there is no missing persons report among the records filed in Michigan, although her family states that one was filed at the time of her disappearance.

Ida is now 72 years old and has spent a lifetime without her children.

(http://www.blogger.com/email-post.g?blogID=3805439263586500158&postID=5038936141889794533) (http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=3805439263586500158&postID=5038936141889794533)

Debbie Miller
04-30-2009, 02:06 PM
Recently, Track Missing, a missing persons organization based in Michigan has tried to help the family with their search. It's Founder, Chad Scott, says that there is no missing persons report among the records filed in Michigan, although her family states that one was filed at the time of her disappearance.

Ida is now 72 years old and has spent a lifetime without her children.



I am wondering what family members filed the report? Did this happen when she first went missing or did her children do this when they were reunited and it has been lost since? Or did her family make a report from Fla? Which today, they would be told to do it in the state she went missing, not sure how it was handled back then

Odyssey
04-30-2009, 02:16 PM
I am wondering what family members filed the report? Did this happen when she first went missing or did her children do this when they were reunited and it has been lost since? Or did her family make a report from Fla? Which today, they would be told to do it in the state she went missing, not sure how it was handled back then

Excellent point! Since the blog states a report was filed "at the time of her disappearance", and her children were minors at that time, I would almost be inclined to guess that either Ida's mother (in Florida) or her husband filed the report.

ETA or maybe the Carol Moser the family is looking for was the one who filed the report?

dborgers
05-02-2009, 04:01 AM
Any idea how old Carol would be, was Moser her maiden name and did she live in Michigan?

As far as we know, Carol Moser was close to Ida's age and unmarried. Ida and Carol Moser were listed as roomates in old city directories, and Ida referred to her in letters. We're checking whether or not she was a student at U of M at the time, thanks to the suggestion of Chad Scott of trackmissing.org.

And thank you all for your comments and ideas.

We've spent decades looking for Ida, but Privacy laws and such have precluded us from gathering information we don't already have.


Thank you, thank you!

Danny
Ida's son

dborgers
05-02-2009, 04:08 AM
I have never had any communication with Ida's family. I admittedly am much better at behind-the-scenes research than I am at initiating contact with the parties involved. Especially in a case like this where the web page has been taken down and I don't know why.

It would be interesting though to find out exactly when she was released from the hospital and if anybody came to pick her up.

I don't know why the web site was taken down. Maybe GeoCities cleaned house. Ida's sister, Belle, got busy with her husband's illness, and my sister, Beverly, was diagnosed with cancer, which claimed her life last year.

Ida was in Ypsilanti State Hospital for a 72 hour period for a Mentla Competency Exam. She was found competent, the probate judge said a plan was set forth for Ida to take the three of us kids back to Jacksonville Beach to live with our grandmother. Ida wanted us kids back badly (we were left at a boarding house by our father while our mother was in the hospital).

Ida's family was at the Jacksonville airport waiting for us to get off the plane. They never saw us again until I tracked down Ida's sister and brothers (my aunts and uncles) in 1995.

dborgers
05-02-2009, 04:14 AM
As she had been hospitalized with rheumatic fever which can affect the brain, it is very well a possibility that she could have been slightly mentally affected by it at the time, but it wasn't mentioned in court papers so as to not hamper her ability to get back her children. (Or it could be that they're including it as a possibility solely to explain her disappearance since it *is* a possible result/complication of the fever)

I think its curious to see that her husband isn't mentioned - it says they were *both* trying to get back their parental rights...I wonder if he had something to do with her disappearance?

Women who have Scarlet Fever as children are susceptible to Rhumatic Heart conditions following pregnancy. My youngest sister, Deborah, had been born a couple weeks before Ida's first hospitalization at St. Joseph Mercy Hospital in Ann Arbor for rhumatic heart condition. She did eventually recover fully, and was working full time in the months approaching the September 19th, 1958 court date when the judge stated she was seen the last time in court (there are differing details about her actually having been at the hearing)

dborgers
05-02-2009, 04:33 AM
btw I did submit this PM last year but never got a reply

http://doenetwork.org/cases/132ufde.html

The Doe Network:
Case File 132UFDE

Reconstructions of Victim

Unidentified White Female

Located on June 27, 1977 in Townsend, New Castle County, Delaware.
Estimated date of Death: January 1, 1977

I'm going to contact the police there and offer to submit DNA. Thank you for posting this.

Danny
Ida's son

Odyssey
05-02-2009, 12:20 PM
Welcome to Websleuths, Dan!! We are very happy to help!

If I may ask, I see references to your mother and father trying to regain custody. I took this to mean that your mother and father were cooperating with each other to get the children out of the boarding home? I just want to clarify if I am correct, or if your parents were each trying separately to get custody at the others expense??

I will try to find this Carol Moser. Will let you know what I come up with! Do you know what city they lived in when you saw them in the city directory? And also do you know if Carol is the same friend she mentioned that she was going to bring to Florida with her to help with the kids?

Odyssey
05-02-2009, 12:30 PM
I don't know why the web site was taken down. Maybe GeoCities cleaned house. Ida's sister, Belle, got busy with her husband's illness, and my sister, Beverly, was diagnosed with cancer, which claimed her life last year.

Ida was in Ypsilanti State Hospital for a 72 hour period for a Mentla Competency Exam. She was found competent, the probate judge said a plan was set forth for Ida to take the three of us kids back to Jacksonville Beach to live with our grandmother. Ida wanted us kids back badly (we were left at a boarding house by our father while our mother was in the hospital).

Ida's family was at the Jacksonville airport waiting for us to get off the plane. They never saw us again until I tracked down Ida's sister and brothers (my aunts and uncles) in 1995.

I am so sorry to hear about your sister :(

dborgers
05-07-2009, 02:45 AM
That is really strange if he wouldn't make an official police report. Does he feel it useless since there was nothing a PI could do to find her? Did you tell him of the PM you found? Is he under the impression that she just walked away and he was hoping to find her thru the efforts of his webpage and the doenetwork or charley project? It is possible that he doesn't want to think of the worst case scenerio.

Has he ever located their father?

My youngest sister, Deborah, and I have both attempted to file MP reports and were turned away by the Washtenaw Sheriff's Dept. Chad Scott of trackmissing.org has contacted them now and gotten a Commandant to look into it. My Aunt Belle, Ida's sister, called and called for a few years. The judge told her "you can hire allt he private detectives you want, but you'll never find her". Why I think this is pertinant is because Ida wasn't legally declared competent by the Probate Judge until one month AFTER our adoptions were finalized - two years after her 'disappearance'. The psychiatrists who examined her in 1958 at the judge's orders determined her to be competent but obviously distressed by the situation. I feel the judge may have kept her in the mental institution to keep her from taking us kids back to Florida to live with her mother.

I met my father for the first time in 1993. He was serving a prison sentence for robbing a bank in Ann Arbor in 1984 (same town where Ida coincidentally disappeared from in 1958. Jerry hadn't been back there until then) and taking the bag of money to the bar next door. He died last year a free man two weeks before my sister Beverly died from cancer. We established a relationship and I forgave him.

dborgers
05-07-2009, 02:50 AM
Excellent point! Since the blog states a report was filed "at the time of her disappearance", and her children were minors at that time, I would almost be inclined to guess that either Ida's mother (in Florida) or her husband filed the report.

ETA or maybe the Carol Moser the family is looking for was the one who filed the report?

Carol Moser was Ida's roommate at the time of her disappearance. We've looked and looked for her to no avail. Still looking.

Ida's sister, my Aunt Belle, thought the Sheriff's Dept filed the MP at the time of her disappearance. The Sheriff's Dept claimed 3 years later that Ida left town. However, they've been 100% uncooperative over the years in disclosing any information they might have gathered at the time. IF Ida left town she surely would have called her mother and sister and made her way to Jacksonville, FL. They never heard from her again. All of which leads me to believe the Probate Judge in Washtenaw County, MI kept her in the mental institution to cover up the fact he'd adopted her kids out and to keep her quiet. That, or something happened in the Ypsilanti State Hospital they didn't want anyone to know about.

They've been the ONLY law enforcement agency in the country (we've written 1000's over the years) who never cooperated in any way.

dborgers
05-07-2009, 02:53 AM
Here is the text of a couple of the letters:

Ida had an upcoming court date regarding custody of her children.

Letter #1 (written in August 1958) reads:

Dear Mama,
I am very sorry I forgot to mail your letter sooner. But, have been very busy looking for a job. So far I have had no luck.
I found out from a friend of mine in Chicago where Jerry (her estranged husband) is living and I thought I would write him for some money and just pray he will send it to me.
The Court still won't let me see the kids.
I have to go to Court the 4th of September at 4 o'clock.
I sure wish I knew for sure they were going to let me have the kids back. I have a funny feeling about it. I don't think they are.
They will have a hell of a fight on their hands if they try to take them away from me. And God help them if they do.
How are you feeling? Fine I hope.
How are Belle and her new baby ?
Is Frank still working? How is Joe and his wife getting along? I am very anxious to meet her.
I can't wait to bring the kids home and believe me once I get there nothing is ever going to make me leave again.
I am bringing a friend down who is going to watch the kids for me while i go to work. (Carol Moser)
We are hoping to get jobs so that one of us will be with the kids all the time. She knows Jerry and hates him almost as much as I do, if that's possible.
Well, mama I guess I had better close for today so that I will have something to say (in my next letter)

Letter #4

Ida was in the hospital with pneumonia when she wrote this letter, her last.

When she writes, "did you get to court? What did they say?", Ida is referring to another order by the probate judge that her mother agree to the plan for Ida to bring us three kids down to Jacksonville Beach to live with Ida's mom, our grandma. Grandma agreed to help.


The letter reads:
Dear Mama,
Sorry I didn't write as promised but as Belle maybe had told you I am in the hospital again.
I had pneumonia plus my ulcer was acting up again.
This may be very short as I am under heavy sedation.
Did you get to court? What did they say.

Love,
Ida

Our grandmother agreed to the plan, plane tickets were purchased. They were waiting for us at Jacksonville, FL airport. They never saw us again (except for us kids after the search for them).

dborgers
05-07-2009, 02:55 AM
Also, I wonder why the web page was taken down? (The first time I tried to follow a link to the page, I got a "page not found" and I had to use the wayback machine to view it. This was probably about a year ago)

btw I did submit this PM last year but never got a reply

http://doenetwork.org/cases/132ufde.html

The Doe Network:
Case File 132UFDE

Reconstructions of Victim

Unidentified White Female

Located on June 27, 1977 in Townsend, New Castle County, Delaware.
Estimated date of Death: January 1, 1977


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Vital Statistics


Estimated age: 35 - 50 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 5'3"-5'6" ; 90-110 lbs
Distinguishing Characteristics: Thin build. She had given birth to at least two children during her lifetime. Scar on right buttock. Osteoarthrisis sternum and thorasic vertebrae.
Dentals: Charts and x-rays available; Teeth- amalgum fillings #3, 5, 7, 11, 12, 14, 15 in upper jaw, 21, 28, 30, in lower jaw. Evidence of heavy accumulation of tar, old extraction in lower jaw, removable appliance in upper jaw, and gum disease.
Clothing: None located
DNA: Available


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Case History
On June 27, 1977, County Police detectives responded to a rural area outside of Townsend, Delaware after skeletal remains were found in an open field. The unidentified woman was a homicide victim.
It was discovered that Serial-killer Henry Lee Lucas lived in Elkton, Maryland, which is very close to the area where the remains were found. Investigators also found that writings Lucas made while he was serving time in a Texas prison have many similarities to the crime scene and information that was developed.
It was also discovered that Henry Lucas claimed to have brought a female from Michigan to Delaware and left her body here. In 1983, Lucas confessed to killing 6 women in Delaware, but he later recanted.
No local leads were ever developed making investigators believe that the victim may in fact be from the Michigan area.


I've contacted a detective from New Castle and am waiting for a call back regarding DNA tests.

Debbie Miller
05-07-2009, 12:34 PM
The judge told her "you can hire allt he private detectives you want, but you'll never find her". Why I think this is pertinant is because Ida wasn't legally declared competent by the Probate Judge until one month AFTER our adoptions were finalized - two years after her 'disappearance'.

Welcome Danny!

This sounds as if they held her against her will. That statement definately raises red flags.

Were you and your siblings adopted by the parents that were fostering you or to another family?

Odyssey
05-07-2009, 12:44 PM
Were Ida and Carol living together in Ann Arbor, or somewhere else?

Debbie Miller
05-07-2009, 12:47 PM
I met my father for the first time in 1993. He was serving a prison sentence for robbing a bank in Ann Arbor in 1984 (same town where Ida coincidentally disappeared from in 1958. Jerry hadn't been back there until then) and taking the bag of money to the bar next door. He died last year a free man two weeks before my sister Beverly died from cancer. We established a relationship and I forgave him.

I am glad to hear you were able to have a relationship with your father and forgive him. This is awesome.:)

I am also sorry that you have lost some of your relatives.

Debbie Miller
05-07-2009, 12:49 PM
Welcome to Websleuths, Dan!! We are very happy to help!

I will try to find this Carol Moser. Will let you know what I come up with! Do you know what city they lived in when you saw them in the city directory? And also do you know if Carol is the same friend she mentioned that she was going to bring to Florida with her to help with the kids?


I tried searching on zabasearch and there are some listed, but we need other info - age (possible) middle initial ?

dborgers
05-07-2009, 02:58 PM
Welcome to Websleuths, Dan!! We are very happy to help!

If I may ask, I see references to your mother and father trying to regain custody. I took this to mean that your mother and father were cooperating with each other to get the children out of the boarding home? I just want to clarify if I am correct, or if your parents were each trying separately to get custody at the others expense??

The fight for us was pretty much Ida's, as Gerry left the state when he dropped us off at the boarding house.

I will try to find this Carol Moser. Will let you know what I come up with! Do you know what city they lived in when you saw them in the city directory? And also do you know if Carol is the same friend she mentioned that she was going to bring to Florida with her to help with the kids?

Yes. Carol was the same friend she was going to bring to Florida. They were living in Ann Arbor, MI (home of University of Michigan).

And, thank you !!

dborgers
05-07-2009, 03:08 PM
Welcome Danny!

This sounds as if they held her against her will. That statement definitely raises red flags. Were you and your siblings adopted by the parents that were fostering you or to another family?

Thank you for the welcome. I pretty much put this down after reaching the end of the road in what I could find out. Having other people's support in this is so appreciated. Chad Scott of trackmissing.org got the ball rolling. I can't tell you how much I appreciate the help from him and you all.

It's a very strange thing the judge said. That, coupled with the fact he didn't declare her competent until 2 years later (despite the psychiatrists finding her competent in 1958) does indeed raise a lot of questions.

We were not adopted by our foster parents. Beverly and I were adopted by a wonderful older couple in Fraser, MI, and Deborah by couple in the Upper Peninsula. Deborah's foster mother spotted her on TV when the Detroit Fox affiliate did a piece in 1997. They got together. She was so happy to see Deborah again so many years after fostering her (for 2 years).

dborgers
05-07-2009, 03:10 PM
I tried searching on zabasearch and there are some listed, but we need other info - age (possible) middle initial ?

I don't have a middle initial, and can only assume Carol Moser was somewhere near Ida's age.

Odyssey
05-07-2009, 04:15 PM
I am thinking Carol Moser will be hard to find, since she may not be in Michigan anymore, and probably doesn't have the same last name anymore. I can't find any Michigan marriage records online. My first thought is to find a library in Michigan that has the city directories, and see if they can find any other Mosers in that city at the same time Carol was listed. It would also help to find the full range of years that she was listed in that directory. If we could figure out who her parents were, it might lead to an obituary (of her parents) that would give Carol's new last name and location.

Dan, do you know if Carol was listed in a range of years, or just that she was listed once?

Odyssey
05-07-2009, 04:40 PM
I just sent a request to the Library of Michigan. They have a limit of 2 searches per person, so I requested 1958 & 1959 Ann Arbor City Directory lookups for all Mosers.

I also found a city directory collector who has the 1963 directory for Ann Arbor. I also sent him a request for all Mosers listed in that year.

dborgers
05-07-2009, 05:33 PM
I am thinking Carol Moser will be hard to find, since she may not be in Michigan anymore, and probably doesn't have the same last name anymore. I can't find any Michigan marriage records online. My first thought is to find a library in Michigan that has the city directories, and see if they can find any other Mosers in that city at the same time Carol was listed. It would also help to find the full range of years that she was listed in that directory. If we could figure out who her parents were, it might lead to an obituary (of her parents) that would give Carol's new last name and location.

Dan, do you know if Carol was listed in a range of years, or just that she was listed once?

I'll have to dig out my mountain of paperwork gathered over the years and find that out for you. I believe I Xeroxed the Ann Arbor City Directory listing for 1958. I didn't think to look in succeeding years at the time. It was a Friday and everything was closing. I barely got the Probate Court records.

I'll get back to you on that.

Thanks for you help!

Danny

Debbie Miller
05-08-2009, 12:20 PM
In the social security death index, I found a total of 5 listings for Carol Moser. Only one was from Michigan and died there also. She was born in 1933. Her last residence was Saginaw, MI. Her SS# was issued in MI.

The middle initial for this Carol Moser (above) is J.

Odyssey
05-08-2009, 01:27 PM
In the social security death index, I found a total of 5 listings for Carol Moser. Only one was from Michigan and died there also. She was born in 1933. Her last residence was Saginaw, MI. Her SS# was issued in MI.

The middle initial for this Carol Moser (above) is J.

I think I saw an obit for that Carol J Moser, and Moser is her married name, maiden name is Peters...if it's the one I'm thinking of...

Debbie Miller
05-09-2009, 01:18 AM
another avenue to take would be search of marriage records for Carol, an inquiry can be put in over at ancestory.com. It is worth a shot.

mtrooper
05-11-2009, 11:02 AM
Hey Danny its Heather. I am wondering if possible that Moser was spelled Mosier? I was able to get a hold of Carol, the lady in my area whos mothers maiden name was moser, and she said that Moser was an uncommon spelling, and that Mosier was more common. She is also going to get into contact with her uncle and see if he was aware of any other Carol Moser. I will let you know.

dborgers
05-20-2009, 06:43 PM
Chad Scott of TrackMissing.org set up my filing a missing persons report - 51 years after the fact. Next: DNA submitted to CODIS now that we have a Case File #.

Thanks Chad and Heather for everything!!

mtrooper
05-27-2009, 04:13 PM
Danny,
I have been SUPER busy lately, but I haven't forgot about Ida. I have a few calls in to people and I am waiting on some more information. Just wanted to tell you how much we appreciated having you at the fundraiser!
Thanks,
Heather

dborgers
06-27-2009, 05:33 PM
Hey Danny its Heather. I am wondering if possible that Moser was spelled Mosier? I was able to get a hold of Carol, the lady in my area whos mothers maiden name was moser, and she said that Moser was an uncommon spelling, and that Mosier was more common. She is also going to get into contact with her uncle and see if he was aware of any other Carol Moser. I will let you know.

It seems we've tracked down Carol Moser, although at present she is unwilling to get involved. All we'd like to know is what she knows of Ida's last days before her disappearance. She's the only connection we have. Pray! Thanks

thefragile7393
06-28-2009, 06:08 PM
It seems we've tracked down Carol Moser, although at present she is unwilling to get involved. All we'd like to know is what she knows of Ida's last days before her disappearance. She's the only connection we have. Pray! Thanks

:banghead:

JulieR
06-29-2009, 11:14 PM
I was just wondering, has anyone in the family EVER talked with Carol after Ida went missing? Did anyone come pick up Ida's belongings from her apartment? Has anyone other then Ida ever seeing Carol? I am asking because, is there a chance Carol is Ida?

Julessleuther
06-30-2009, 01:52 AM
I have been lurking here for awhile and would love to help. Why does she say she does not want to get involved? I like Julie R's theory, but even if she is not Ida, it is very curious that Carol would not want to get involved. She obviously knows more than she is willing to reveal. On another note, I have an ancestry.com account, so can help with any research you may need. Was Ida's middle name Dean? Do you know where Ida and Kenneth were married--in Michigan? Where did they meet-in Florida or in Michigan? Do you know if she ever lived in Ohio or elsewhere? Had she ever worked, and if so, as what? Were you ever able to get her hospital records or court documents from Ann Arbor? Do you know if she ever checked out of the hospital? Did Belle ever talk to anyone at the hospital (when she wrote her last letter and had pneumonia). Did she live in any other states? What were Ida's mother and fathers names?

Thanks!


It seems we've tracked down Carol Moser, although at present she is unwilling to get involved. All we'd like to know is what she knows of Ida's last days before her disappearance. She's the only connection we have. Pray! Thanks

Askalice
02-20-2010, 11:09 AM
I have to go to Court the 4th of September at 4 o'clock.
I sure wish I knew for sure they were going to let me have the kids back. I have a funny feeling about it. I don't think they are.



I have been watching for awhile and have some ideas and a suggestion.

In order to get old medical records from the now closed Ypsilanti State Hospital you need to file a request with the director of mental health in Lansing. They used to call that hospital, 'The Ypsilanti State Hospital For The Criminally Insane'. I mention that just to note that the attitude of the government in Michigan toward the mentally ill was, and is despicable. You would have to make an appointment to see the director to get records. You have to have verifiable proof that you are related to the (ex)patient and a very good reason in the eyes of the director for requesting the info. I know because I needed to do the same thing and have looked into it. I have not actually done it.

I'd like to present a possible scenario, and mind you it is only drawn from my own experience; To be so young and divorced with 3 small children back in the 50's/60's would have been very difficult. Divorce was taboo and a woman with no education supporting those children without any help would have been a monumental task and Michigan winters are cold. Finding dependable daycare alone is extremely difficult even now if you can't afford it. Then too, Ida had health issues. My own grandmother was left in somewhat the same situation in the 50's while my grandfather was in that very same hospital. She walked the streets with 4 children looking for work and a place to live. Welfare programs were not what they are today. The only job she could find was as a barmaid and then she was stigmatized for that. Her life was very hard.

Once Ida's children were taken by the state of Michigan Ida was bound to Michigan in every way if she wanted them back. Otherwise, she may have just taken them all and gone back to Florida where her family could have supported her. Now she had to answer to the State of Michigan and that system was fraught with problems then, and is still a mess even now. Once she had been involved in the state mental health system the courts would always look at her competency as a parent in that light.

I noted in one of her letters that she asks the question, or just as a thought, that she wished she knew if they were going to give her children back to her. It didn't sound to me as if she thought they would. If she knew they weren't would she be making other plans? I personally put my child in foster care when she was 6 months old because I was 19, unmarried, and uneducated. It was the recession of the early 1980's. I did it to try to find work and decide if keeping her would be the best thing for her. While she was in the foster home my phone rang day and night. My relatives were calling me and begging me not to give her up. I didn't have a moments peace and little time to think clearly as I had hoped to do while my child was away. I kept her eventually and still did not get the help the family promised.

I think it's quite possible that Ida made the choice to give up her children thinking they would have a better life. She may have struck a deal with the judge. Adoption can take a few years especially if they can't find the father to sign off on his parental rights. The judge may have withheld naming her competent until the adoption was sealed and the time to withdraw the decision was up. Ida may have felt tremendous shame over her decision and would likely have not wanted to face her family over it. If they were anything like my family she would have paid an extreme emotional price. Trying to do everything the state demands and living under that stress is enough to put you in the hospital. I was a foster parent for 2 years in Oakland County Michigan and I have seen from that perspective how the Michigan system works.

I found Ida's family of origin in the 1945 Florida state census, part of it anyway. The only people listed in the home with her last name were her and her siblings. Where were her parents? There were 12 people living in at that address and most of them were children. One 68 yr old woman, one 38 year old woman, neither of which had the last name Richardson. The Richardson children are all born one right after the other, ages 10, 9, 8, & 6. The other children at that address have different last names and are about the same ages as the Richardsons. Was this a foster home? Did Ida already know how tough life could be?

I believe she has married several times and that is why she can't be found. Since no real police report was filed she could have done many things. With little in the way of records back then she could have easily changed her identity.

To Dan and his family I'd like to say directly that attitudes change over the years and so do family stories and recollections of events. I am so glad that you and your siblings were reunited with your mothers family. If I were going to meet my long lost grandchildren for the first time in almost a lifetime I would probably tell the all the good things I could think of and leave out a lot of the bad. Family lore may offer ideas and make us feel better about some things but verifiable facts are probably going to lead to finding Ida.

Some of the details of Ida's story are fuzzy and I understand it's because Ida has been missing for so long. It would help here if we knew what was verified info and what is conjecture.

I wish you peace.

dborgers
02-20-2010, 09:24 PM
What a great post! Thank you so much

And a huge thank you to the rest of you too!! I haven't been here in months, so I apologize for not thanking you earlier.

Danny

Julessleuther
02-20-2010, 11:14 PM
Danny welcome back!

I did a search for Ida's with the same birth date/year, and came up with a three names--two from MI. Perhaps she did start over and remarried. I do not know if I am allow to post the names here, but if you go to peoplefinders.com, go to the advanced search, type in the first name Ida and the birthdate, you will come up with nine names. Some of those can be eliminated because they are obviously foreign. The names I found have the last names: Curuthers, Hunter, Miller, Potts, and Prokuputs. Potts has lived in Detroit. Another name Gorbachow, has also lived in Twining, MI. Did you have any more luck with Carol Moser?

When you established a relationship with Kenneth, what did he say he thought happened to Ida? I know you did not have good luck with local Ann Arbor LE in her missing case, but can you go to state police?

dborgers
02-23-2010, 04:10 AM
Jerry (Kenneth) said he didn't know what happened to Ida. I know he went looking for her in Michigan and Florida a handful of times over a few years after she disappeared. BTW, Jerry died a couple weeks before my sister last April.

I've checked the Potts and Gorbachow in the past, but I'll do so again.

Thanks for your post!!!!

Danny :-)

dborgers
02-23-2010, 04:13 AM
PS

I have not had any luck with finding Carol Moser. Thought we might have found her, but it was someone with her name only. Still looking ....

BTW, the Michigan State Police Cold Case Unit has taken over Ida's case. With nothing new to go on here were are.

Just last night two detectives from the Nashville (TN) Cold Case Unit came and got a DNA sample from me to put into NaMUS and CODIS to match against Jane Does.

Julessleuther
02-24-2010, 02:39 AM
Danny- That is great that they took DNA and that Ida has a cold case investigator now...sometimes the cold case guys are able to put more time into a case. OK, so we need to find Carol Moser---something to work on!


PS: I saw your post in the D. Merryfield thread. I mentioned this to Missie a few mths ago but will talk to her about it again...thank you!

PSS: Can you let me know which Carol Moser you contacted that is not the right one? Thanks!

Did you ever contact the Ida Richardson who lives in Michigan? I have address and telephone listing from the mid 1990's. I also found a Carolyn I Richardson in Michigan...hmmm.

There is also a social security death listing for an Ida Anderson with a Mar 2, 1937 birthdate. This Ida died Feb 12, 2007 in Ohio. Her social was obtained in Ohio in 1956.

Stephani
06-15-2010, 03:33 PM
Bump for Ida! This is the first I've heard of this story and am reminded of Rose Cole. Rose was ordered by the State of Michigan to attend a rehabilitation center in California that turned out to be some sort of separatist "church". I was born and raised in Michigan and just find it odd that two people, women, were dealing with the Michigan court system and mysteriously disappeared...troubling.

dborgers
07-27-2010, 12:59 PM
Two cold case detectives came and took a DNA sample a few months ago. I was notified that it was now entered into the NAMUS system.

For those not familiar with this, in 2004 a law was passed ordering the U.S. Justice Department to set up a system whereby family members of missing people could enter mitochondrial DNA into the NAMUS database for possible matches with Jane and John Does.

Many police departments do not know this exists, or that it is free of charge.

Here is the web link to info about NAMUS:

http://namus.gov/

No new updates to report except that my sister I was adopted with died of cancer after an 8 year battle.

Kat
09-10-2010, 12:20 PM
Bump

This month marks 52 years that Ida has been missing. Come home soon.

Odyssey
09-23-2010, 02:20 AM
Danny, have you heard anything on the Delwaware possible match yet? It's been almost 2 years, there should be an answer by now.... I am checking to see if any new Moser info has surfaced on the internet...

RMIC
11-23-2010, 02:44 PM
Bumping for this case. Any results from the DNA database?

Claudette
11-23-2010, 11:29 PM
I would like to add to the post where someone mentioned she may have been forced into a mental hospital. Danny, I don't want to upset you but the more info the better, I think at least.

In college I did a study on mental illness. If I remember correctly it focused on lobotomies. I learned a lot about mental hospitals in the first half of the 20th century. As you already know, not good places. Even in the 50s. Women especially, were thrown into these hospitals for their entire lives for everything from being annoying to not following social norms. One example - a husband was irritated by his wife and thought she was too moody, complained too much about chores or something like that. Forced her to get a lobotomy, the thing pretty much erased her entire personality and she turned into a robot. A couple threw their teenage daughter in because she was too "rebellious", wanted to move out of state I recall, and she lived her entire life in there. She of course went insane after a few years, though she went in normal.

My poetry professor was alive in the 50s (not sure if he was a kid or a teen or both). He was a very, very quirky person (lived in Tibet for a time, rambled about mormons in class, etc). He told us that the 50s were the most horrible decade because society believed everyone should fit into a specific mold - think Leave it to Beaver. Anyone that was different was an outcast. Thank god for Kerouac and the beatniks (lol - English major here)
My point is that it is not far fetched at all that the judge threw her in there. Maybe he thought she was promiscuous or something - the reasons for throwing people into those places were endless.

I know the above is pretty much common knowledge. Found some more info on mental institutions in the 50s, specifically lobotomies.

I think there's a chance she was forced one and lost all feelings.

"Because this new form of lobotomy could be performed so quickly and easily, the trans- orbital craze swept the nation’s asylums. Freeman himself performed over 3,000 lobotomies and was labeled the traveling lobotomist. Trans- orbital lobotomies were performed on hundreds of Athens Asylum patients in the early 1950s. In a local newspaper, on November 20, 1953, the headline read “Lobotomies are Performed on 31 Athens State Hospital Patients,” and the article boasted that nearly 25 of those who received surgery would be able to go home with their relatives Sunday. Freeman and the trans-orbital lobotomy stirred up harsh criticism from those who learned of his flamboyant methodology. Due to the number of complications and deaths that resulted from the procedure, it was referred to as “psychic mercy killing” and “euthanasia of the mind.” This was by far mental health care’s darkest hour."

Another interesting quote:
"Shortly after the asylum population explosion in the mid 1900s, when mental health treatment was arguably at its worst..."

http://www.toddlertime.com/advocacy/hospitals/Asylum/history-asylum.htm

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
05-09-2011, 11:22 PM
The first annual Missing in Michigan Event was held on May 7th, 2011 at Ford Field in Detroit, MI. The slideshow was made to commemorate the families of the missing that attended the event.

Ida is included.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2gXGL6xQLA

Odyssey
05-03-2012, 12:54 AM
I have received confirmation from the Delaware ME that Ida has been ruled out as being the Delaware Jane Doe.

Shamrocker99
10-16-2012, 07:00 PM
What a sad story. I hope Ida is out there and your family is able to find her. I would second the recommendation about putting a request for information up at ancestry--genealogists are very good at locating people and probably have resources that you may not even know about to try to locate Ida or Carol Moser

Odyssey
02-27-2013, 02:40 PM
I believe I have found the correct Carol Moser. I have just sent this info to Trackmissing.org, who have been working on her case. Crossing my fingers that this is the right one, and that something comes of it...

jlentine
03-04-2013, 11:46 PM
Hello everyone. I've been following for awhile, but I thought I would add a few things and get your feedback.

AskAlice made a good point on the possibility that life was real tough for her back then. Accordingly, that may have been the reason that the adoption took up to two years to finalize.......the judge granted time to the parents to prove they were capable of taking care of 3 young children. When time passed and neither showed up or were able to prove stability, the adoption was closed....hiding all records of where the children went.

Claudette also made a good point about the mental institutions and hospitals. She may have been too ill to show up in court that day to take them to Florida, which looks bad in the eyes of the court. Or she may have been admitted for a longer period of time.

I have a couple of ideas, but I'm not to sure if anyone has looked into them. First, it may be easier to get her medical records if she was declared dead. Her sister/brothers could probably get this done easier than her children.

Lastly, I been looking for her in the doenetwork and NamUs sites, probably like most have. But, I've been looking for older persons because of the posts like the two mentioned above. Interestingly, there is one female that was found in Monroe County in 1986. She is the age at which Ida would have been in that time frame and she also had brown hair. She was wearing a shirt that said Sumpter, MI and I know it isn't too far from Ann Arbor/Ypsilanti.

I hope this helps and feel free to comment. I will post the pic and link below to the Jane Doe.

https://identifyus.org/en/medias/full/8874

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/8380

WholeLottaRosie
03-28-2013, 02:47 AM
Bumping for Ida

Is there a list anywhere of rule outs for Ida???? Thanks!

Skully
04-15-2014, 02:25 PM
I just found this page, I was looking for a match for a woman found in Hernando county, FL, 1972. I searched several sites and found Ida's page for 1958 on the Charley site. I did email NamUs about Ida because no one has come forward in all these years, I think this woman may be estranged from her family as she wasn't missed. Ida's vitals match up, but I still hope she is alive and out there, living her life as best she can.