Michelle Young: Pregnant Mom, NC. part 8

[Samiya]

Thought I'd sneak in and start a newie while you were all sleeping :)

To make it easier, I've brought the entire last page posts over, in their order, to help keep the conversation moving.

Sami
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RAISINCHARLIE TO SCANDI:

Scandi,

The first set of warrants were released on 6 December and linked at the N & O and at WRAL on December 7th - one day after they were returned.

What I have wondered about the step father and the attitude was what if JY's trip to Brevard was not planned. What if JY called that morning and said he was coming down for a visit - then the next thing this guy knows is MY is found murdered - and JY is on his way to Brevard - I can see pops looking for a lawyer before JY even arrived. Not saying it happened but I have always had trouble believing this trip to Brevard was made because he was going to be in the area for work, stay over night with a big football game on a Saturday to boot. This visit to me has always been suspicious JMO.

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5BIGFISH5 TO RAISINCHARLIE:

RaisinCharlie,

I think the NCSU Saturday game (homecoming, wasn't it?) may very well play into this yet.

Wonder IF Jason attended? I heard early on that he had season tickets. IF he didn't attend, wonder when he parted with those little gems?

Cheers!

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SAMIYA TO ALL:

I just posted a new link re the laptop in the media links section.

This one is more clearly written than others

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STRACH304 TO RAISINCHARLIE:

RC if you recall I said the very same thing some time ago about the trip to his parents but without any confirmation of that it's still speculation. Nothing about the trip to his parents makes any sense any way you spin it thus I believe he had just called that morning saying he'd be visiting because his business trip put him in the area. It actually didn't but that news report where it originated came from somewhere and very coincidental that the lawyer followed. I don't think his parents are gonna talk and admit it was a spur of the moment thing because it's incriminating to Jason and they know it.

I've said before some aspects look premeditated whereas others don't but just from what we know I can see where it could all tie in to cover up after the fact or the decision to do what he did came from that 11 o'clock phone call. The hold up could simply be forensics. Possibly he lucked out by noone seeing him return to the home. SP placed himself at Berkely just in case someone saw him. It wasn't unusual for Jason to be traveling for business. The fax seems like a ruse to have the body found and a dumb idea at that. If planned was that the best he could do? Le may have tons of evidence but what if they are waiting on forensics from the hotel Jason stayed at because they believe Michele's blood was there? That would be a smoking gun in the same way that Laci's body washed up near Berkely. No matter what that's something the jury won't get around for reasonable doubt imo.

My point of view is this; anything they put together from the computer and phone calls etc. proving he had an affair or affairs don't prove he killed Michele but they do prove motive. Any possibility of something else directly related to the crime like SP researching tide info not likely. They need something that places him there at the time of death. Then there's the forensics problem with this case as well. Finding his dna in the house is to be expected unlike say Laci's hair in the pliars of a boat she'd never been on. LE hasn't been showing his pic all over the news looking for witnesses that may have seen him which I find odd.

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STRACH304 TO 5BIGFISH5:

By then he already knew his wife was dead so I'm gonna say I don't think he attended.

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5BIGFISH5 TO STRACH304: (in reply to post above)

Hi Strach304,

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he attended the game either. I would just like to know what he did with the tickets.

For instance, was he st00pid enough to sell them ahead of time?

Cheers!

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[raisincharlie]

5BIGFISH5 TO RAISINCHARLIE:

RaisinCharlie,

I think the NCSU Saturday game (homecoming, wasn't it?) may very well play into this yet.

Wonder IF Jason attended? I heard early on that he had season tickets. IF he didn't attend, wonder when he parted with those little gems?

Cheers!
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5bigfish5,

This deal about it being NCSU homecoming weekend and the big game is part of the reason I think JY's story kind of stinks. The one thing that might change my mind about the visit to his folks house is IF it were some very special occassion. I think this guy driving to Virginia (supposedly) on business and then going to his folks (4.5 to 5 hours away) to spend the night to return to Raleigh (5 more hours driving) is about as bogus as it gets - JMO.

IMO - I doubt he gave his tickets away - but if he did it kind of works against him - indeed it would be interesting to know but I doubt it would be significant in and of itself,maybe as one more small little piece in a picture.

[raisincharlie]

STRACH304 TO RAISINCHARLIE:

RC if you recall I said the very same thing some time ago about the trip to his parents but without any confirmation of that it's still speculation. Nothing about the trip to his parents makes any sense any way you spin it thus I believe he had just called that morning saying he'd be visiting because his business trip put him in the area. It actually didn't but that news report where it originated came from somewhere and very coincidental that the lawyer followed. I don't think his parents are gonna talk and admit it was a spur of the moment thing because it's incriminating to Jason and they know it.
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Strach,

I only brought part of this over. I too remember early on that it was reported he stopped by his folks because his work had him in the area of his folks. As you know I have never considered Virginia to be in the area of his folks. I also recall Fussell saying JY told him at the funeral that he (JY) had gone to VA on business. It seems odd to me that this would even be discussed during a funeral which just did more to stir my suspicions. I don't know what is true but one thing I am strongly leaning to is that this trip to the folks was not something that was planned well in advance and totally innocently. IMO he either arranged it Thursday evening or Friday morning. Of course that's just my thought and may very well be entirely wrong - but no matter what - I do not buy all of his travels as being legitimate.

I think his family would not say anything - just based on pop's little explosion and at this point I am off the opinion they have some inkling although may be denying. I say that for two reasons - the trip to visit and the coincidental finding of his wife dead and IF Cassidy did see anything - by now that baby has IMO said something about it, maybe casually or during a period of wanting and missing her mother. Wonder if they are listening to her ? JMO of course.

[raisincharlie]

BEE CHARMER


I agree with you. Exacty when JY retained an attorney sure
would be an interesting item to know. Unfortunately, I don't think that kind
of information would be deemed relevant if and when there is a trial.

During the Scott Peterson murder case, I always wondered exactly when
Ma and Pa Peterson arrived in Modesto. Especially after Ann's book came
out and she described a very hasty departure from their home in San Diego.
I always suspected they arrived during the night and retained an attorney
for Scott very early on. I will never know for sure though.......

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Bee Charmer,

Have you been busy ? Haven't see you in a while - hope you had a good holiday !

I quess when a person gets a lawyer is not relevant at trial but it does make us wonder. What I wonder about more in this case is that LE said they spoke to him briefly on the phone Friday. This makes me wonder why LE did not drag him in for questioning when the SUV was impounded or if they tried to speak to him at that time and were told he wasn't saying anything without a lawyer. This IF it happened may well come in at trial IF JY is arrested and taken to trial as LE often is called to the stand to establish interview information and results. So I think there is a possibility that when the lawyer was obtained will be easily figured out. I'm kind of thinking this did happen based on pop's comments to the reporter. JMO

[Samiya]

Good Morning RC :)

I am off to bed early (lol 1am) but just wanted to let you know in case you haven't read the new news link I posted, it seems to be the returned warrant typed up and printed as a news article :)

Sami
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[raisincharlie]

Good Morning RC :)

I am off to bed early (lol 1am) but just wanted to let you know in case you haven't read the new news link I posted, it seems to be the returned warrant typed up and printed as a news article :)

Sami
xxxWill go check it immediately - thanks !

Sleep well, Grammy?:)


Well - there is confirmation that JY returned on Nov3 and that is exactly when the SUV was taken ! Now we know for sure - awesome

Good job Sami and thanks for posting this !!!!

[Bee Charmer]

BEE CHARMER


I agree with you. Exacty when JY retained an attorney sure
would be an interesting item to know. Unfortunately, I don't think that kind
of information would be deemed relevant if and when there is a trial.

During the Scott Peterson murder case, I always wondered exactly when
Ma and Pa Peterson arrived in Modesto. Especially after Ann's book came
out and she described a very hasty departure from their home in San Diego.
I always suspected they arrived during the night and retained an attorney
for Scott very early on. I will never know for sure though.......

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Bee Charmer,

Have you been busy ? Haven't see you in a while - hope you had a good holiday !

I quess when a person gets a lawyer is not relevant at trial but it does make us wonder. What I wonder about more in this case is that LE said they spoke to him briefly on the phone Friday. This makes me wonder why LE did not drag him in for questioning when the SUV was impounded or if they tried to speak to him at that time and were told he wasn't saying anything without a lawyer. This IF it happened may well come in at trial IF JY is arrested and taken to trial as LE often is called to the stand to establish interview information and results. So I think there is a possibility that when the lawyer was obtained will be easily figured out. I'm kind of thinking this did happen based on pop's comments to the reporter. JMOHi RC, we have lots of family in for the holidays plus I'm in Baltimore and this city is in a "purple haze"...lol...since the Ravens are looking good for the Super Bowl. Hub's sister is a wheel for the PR department and we are sitting in a skybox for the game tomorrow night against the Bills, then on to the parties. I am looking forward to a nice rest when all
this hullabaloo is over, maybe sometime in February....lol.

I hope you and yours had a blessed Christmas and will have a Happy and Healthy New Year. Stay safe.

I agree with you, the timing of certain events sure has me wondering. I think you are right on about "Pop's" comments. Going to get real interesting
if there is a trial and he has to answer questions, under oath, put to
him by the DA.

[raisincharlie]

Hi RC, we have lots of family in for the holidays plus I'm in Baltimore and this city is in a "purple haze"...lol...since the Ravens are looking good for the Super Bowl. Hub's sister is a wheel for the PR department and we are sitting in a skybox for the game tomorrow night against the Bills, then on to the parties. I am looking forward to a nice rest when all
this hullabaloo is over, maybe sometime in February....lol.

I hope you and yours had a blessed Christmas and will have a Happy and Healthy New Year. Stay safe.

I agree with you, the timing of certain events sure has me wondering. I think you are right on about "Pop's" comments. Going to get real interesting
if there is a trial and he has to answer questions, under oath, put to
him by the DA.
Wow - have a great time in that sky box ! Go Ravens! Got any blue crabs to munch on during the game ? I'm totally envious (my wife is from that area and I really like Maryland) ! Enjoy yourself ! Thanks for the holiday wishes - the same to you and your family and do stay safe !

[Bee Charmer]

Wow - have a great time in that sky box ! Go Ravens! Got any blue crabs to munch on during the game ? I'm totally envious (my wife is from that area and I really like Maryland) ! Enjoy yourself ! Thanks for the holiday wishes - the same to you and your family and do stay safe !
Oh, where in Maryland? We live on the water, just off the
Chesapeake and during the summer catch the blues right off our pier. I'm sure your wife knows about Obrycki and Bo Brooks crab houses. Bo has a place by the Inner Harbor now. The very best crabs can be found at
both places.

http://www.obryckis.com/obr/stores/1/index.cfm

http://www.bobrooks.com/

[raisincharlie]

Oh, where in Maryland? We live on the water, just off the
Chesapeake and during the summer catch the blues right off our pier. I'm sure your wife knows about Obrycki and Bo Brooks crab houses. Bo has a place by the Inner Harbor now. The very best crabs can be found at
both places.

http://www.obryckis.com/obr/stores/1/index.cfm

http://www.bobrooks.com/

Check OT thread !

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talking about premeditated or not, i still think it was planned, & planned pretty well, IMO.....i think that someone DID see him in the neighborhood when he wasn't suppose to be there though....

don't you guys think that all forensic evidence is back by now???...maybe not??

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STRACH304 TO RAISINCHARLIE:

RC if you recall I said the very same thing some time ago about the trip to his parents but without any confirmation of that it's still speculation. Nothing about the trip to his parents makes any sense any way you spin it thus I believe he had just called that morning saying he'd be visiting because his business trip put him in the area. It actually didn't but that news report where it originated came from somewhere and very coincidental that the lawyer followed. I don't think his parents are gonna talk and admit it was a spur of the moment thing because it's incriminating to Jason and they know it.
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Strach,

I only brought part of this over. I too remember early on that it was reported he stopped by his folks because his work had him in the area of his folks. As you know I have never considered Virginia to be in the area of his folks. I also recall Fussell saying JY told him at the funeral that he (JY) had gone to VA on business. It seems odd to me that this would even be discussed during a funeral which just did more to stir my suspicions. I don't know what is true but one thing I am strongly leaning to is that this trip to the folks was not something that was planned well in advance and totally innocently. IMO he either arranged it Thursday evening or Friday morning. Of course that's just my thought and may very well be entirely wrong - but no matter what - I do not buy all of his travels as being legitimate.

I think his family would not say anything - just based on pop's little explosion and at this point I am off the opinion they have some inkling although may be denying. I say that for two reasons - the trip to visit and the coincidental finding of his wife dead and IF Cassidy did see anything - by now that baby has IMO said something about it, maybe casually or during a period of wanting and missing her mother. Wonder if they are listening to her ? JMO of course.

right RC....i think the trip to the parents in Brevard was planned just prior to his leaving that Thursday night....i even think it was part of the murder plan...."honey, i'm going down to see my parents for a couple of days after my business meeting"......i don't think he got real far into VA though like some suspect....i think he just barely got over the state line when he called Michelle....course i'm still leaning toward him leaving the house that night around 8:30'ish...(thereabouts)....would be really nice to know IF the girlfriend (MY's g/f) saw him at some point while she was there to watch Grey's Anatomy.....that would give us all a better timeline to chew on, as far as what part of VA he was in when he made the 11 pm phone call.......i HAVE to believe he was in VA when he made that call...he'd be crazy to make it while still in Raleigh, IMO....

[raisincharlie]

talking about premeditated or not, i still think it was planned, & planned pretty well, IMO.....i think that someone DID see him in the neighborhood when he wasn't suppose to be there though....

don't you guys think that all forensic evidence is back by now???...maybe not??
I hope someone saw him Close - I really do. I'm not sure the forensics are back, the autopsy isn't complete yet either (that we know of). These warrants have shown a very logical and methodical approach by LE - right now I'm going to take their word that the lab is a hold up.

This most recent article however gives me lots of hope that JY did not have time to empty that SUV of his stuff before he came back to Raleigh - I'm hoping evidence was found inside the SUV or in/on articles within the SUV. The use of the words "comparison" and "collaboration" to witness statements also gives me pause to hope LE has quite a bit on JY.

I am wondering about the use of "identifications" and "participants" - wondering if this is a typo by the person who wrote this up or if it is word for word from the warrant. Thinking about LE going to Brevard to get fingerprints...studying now.:waitasec:

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i still think the 911 tape & whatever MF told LE about what Cassidy was saying, put LE onto JY pretty fast....if i remember correctly, the Sheriff was pretty miffed, to say the least, about Cassidy being there alone....the fact that she might have seen 'something' would add to that anger, imo......

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In the matter of: Gray Dell Latitude model D620

Submitted by Investigator B.T. David of the Wake County Sheriff’s Office Person Crimes Unit:

The computer was seized after a search of a 2004 Ford Explorer registered to Jason Young, the victim’s husband. Jason had driven the vehicle from 5108 Birchleaf Drive, Raleigh to Virginia. He left on November 2, 2006 and returned to Raleigh on November 3, 2006 in the Ford Explorer after being notified of his wife’s death. The vehicle contains papers identifying Jason Young as the owner of the vehicle.

The Wake County Sheriff’s Office seized the Ford Explorer shortly after Jason Young returned to Raleigh on November 3, 2006. Attempts have been made to have Jason Young assist in this investigation. He has refused to cooperate with the Wake County Sheriff’s Office.

Access to the computer’s hard drive will be used for the purpose stated above to include but not limited to:

• Obtaining financial records
• Correspondence with insurance companies
• Information to corroborate with witness’ statements
• To locate evidence to be compared with evidence already collected

Based on this affiant’s training and experience, it is believed the preceding facts establish probable cause to believe that the above-described items be located within the Dell Latitude model D620 laptop… will aid in the investigation and identifications of the possible participants in the crime of Homicide N.C.G.S. 14-17, occurring at 5108 Birchleaf Drive, in Raleigh, NC.

For these reasons, this affiant respectfully requests this warrant.

http://rdu.news14.com/content/headlines/?ArID=97253&SecID=2

posted this here so i won't have to keep flipping back to the other thread to read....

[raisincharlie]

i still think the 911 tape & whatever MF told LE about what Cassidy was saying, put LE onto JY pretty fast....if i remember correctly, the Sheriff was pretty miffed, to say the least, about Cassidy being there alone....the fact that she might have seen 'something' would add to that anger, imo......
miffed - change the m to a p and the ff to ss and I would wholeheartedly agree.

:)

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miffed - change the m to a p and the ff to ss and I would wholeheartedly agree.

:)

yyyyuuuup!

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I hope someone saw him Close - I really do. I'm not sure the forensics are back, the autopsy isn't complete yet either (that we know of). These warrants have shown a very logical and methodical approach by LE - right now I'm going to take their word that the lab is a hold up.

This most recent article however gives me lots of hope that JY did not have time to empty that SUV of his stuff before he came back to Raleigh - I'm hoping evidence was found inside the SUV or in/on articles within the SUV. The use of the words "comparison" and "collaboration" to witness statements also gives me pause to hope LE has quite a bit on JY.

I am wondering about the use of "identifications" and "participants" - wondering if this is a typo by the person who wrote this up or if it is word for word from the warrant. Thinking about LE going to Brevard to get fingerprints...studying now.:waitasec:

if i'm not mistaken the word participants was plural in the other search warrants also....maybe that's standard wording???...i'll be completely stunned if someone was in on this with JY.....

[raisincharlie]

if i'm not mistaken the word participants was plural in the other search warrants also....maybe that's standard wording???...i'll be completely stunned if someone was in on this with JY.....I'll look - back in a minute or two

11/3 - person or persons -A.W. Bumgardner

11/13- investigation and identifications of the possible participants-Brent David

11/21- identifications that will assist in identifying the person or persons -Ins Sternberg

11/30- identifications of the possible participants - Brent David

last warrant - identifications of possible participants - B.T. David


Looks like standard language to me - good observation Close

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I'll look - back in a minute or two

11/3 - person or persons -A.W. Bumgardner

11/13- investigation and identifications of the possible participants-Brent David

11/21- identifications that will assist in identifying the person or persons -Ins Sternberg

11/30- identifications of the possible participants - Brent David

last warrant - identifications of possible participants - B.T. David


Looks like standard language to me - good observation Close

yeah, i would guess that the wording has to be this way, otherwise it would appear/seem like LE is after one person alone, without a full investigation....

gosh, wouldn't it be wild though, if some old friend of JY's IS in on this?...i don't think that's the case though...like i said, i'll be stunned if it is...ya know, like some old friend of JY's back in Brevard.......

heck, LE will find out pretty quickly who all JY's talked to in the last few months, on a regular basis.....

[raisincharlie]

yeah, i would guess that the wording has to be this way, otherwise it would appear/seem like LE is after one person alone, without a full investigation....

gosh, wouldn't it be wild though, if some old friend of JY's IS in on this?...i don't think that's the case though...like i said, i'll be stunned if it is...ya know, like some old friend of JY's back in Brevard.......

heck, LE will find out pretty quickly who all JY's talked to in the last few months, on a regular basis.....
I think if someone else was involved - they would both be in jail with one or the other begging to turn State's witness to save their backside. JMO.

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In the matter of: Gray Dell Latitude model D620

Submitted by Investigator B.T. David of the Wake County Sheriff’s Office Person Crimes Unit:

The computer was seized after a search of a 2004 Ford Explorer registered to Jason Young, the victim’s husband. Jason had driven the vehicle from 5108 Birchleaf Drive, Raleigh to Virginia. He left on November 2, 2006 and returned to Raleigh on November 3, 2006 in the Ford Explorer after being notified of his wife’s death. The vehicle contains papers identifying Jason Young as the owner of the vehicle.

The Wake County Sheriff’s Office seized the Ford Explorer shortly after Jason Young returned to Raleigh on November 3, 2006. Attempts have been made to have Jason Young assist in this investigation. He has refused to cooperate with the Wake County Sheriff’s Office.

Access to the computer’s hard drive will be used for the purpose stated above to include but not limited to:

• Obtaining financial records
• Correspondence with insurance companies
• Information to corroborate with witness’ statements
• To locate evidence to be compared with evidence already collected

Based on this affiant’s training and experience, it is believed the preceding facts establish probable cause to believe that the above-described items be located within the Dell Latitude model D620 laptop… will aid in the investigation and identifications of the possible participants in the crime of Homicide N.C.G.S. 14-17, occurring at 5108 Birchleaf Drive, in Raleigh, NC.

For these reasons, this affiant respectfully requests this warrant.

http://rdu.news14.com/content/headlines/?ArID=97253&SecID=2

posted this here so i won't have to keep flipping back to the other thread to read....

i'm wondering if there's a "witness" out there that's from an insurance company???...someone that spoke with LE about JY questioning them regarding life insurance at some point, fairly recently....

i'm really thinking that JY & MY were having financial troubles....still wonder about the gambling rumor too....

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I think if someone else was involved - they would both be in jail with one or the other begging to turn State's witness to save their backside. JMO.

exactly....i think you're right....

[raisincharlie]

i'm wondering if there's a "witness" out there that's from an insurance company???...someone that spoke with LE about JY questioning them regarding life insurance at some point, fairly recently....

i'm really thinking that JY & MY were having financial troubles....still wonder about the gambling rumor too....
As I recall, LE has said they had conducted 100 interviews - someone told LE something about insurance unless there were attempted changes found on the Compaq computer siezed from the home. One thing seems certain - LE is zeroing in on insurance versus the wills.

One thing I am wondering about - this latest warrant id's the SUV as a 2004 Explorer - either this is a typo or the SUV from the accident in May may not have been a 2004 Mitsubishi - if damaged the insurance would have paid an equivalent this is true, but why would JY replace it with a 2004 Ford? Maybe couldn't afford a new one after buying the house in early May ? The other thing of note about that SUV - around the rear tag holder is the name Madison Jaguar - this is where MY's Dad is the GM.

[raisincharlie]

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Thinking more on the insurance, what if MY's insurance was bumped up after she learned she was pregnant in 2006 but before the wreck, then there is another bump up in her insurance before her murder ? Wouldn't that look really odd ? I can understand upon becoming pregnant that both parents might want to increase insurance but only one and twice within a few months ? Should catch someone's attention I would think. Not saying it happened but it is possible. JMO

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As I recall, LE has said they had conducted 100 interviews - someone told LE something about insurance unless there were attempted changes found on the Compaq computer siezed from the home. One thing seems certain - LE is zeroing in on insurance versus the wills.

One thing I am wondering about - this latest warrant id's the SUV as a 2004 Explorer - either this is a typo or the SUV from the accident in May may not have been a 2004 Mitsubishi - if damaged the insurance would have paid an equivalent this is true, but why would JY replace it with a 2004 Ford? Maybe couldn't afford a new one after buying the house in early May ? The other thing of note about that SUV - around the rear tag holder is the name Madison Jaguar - this is where MY's Dad is the GM.

yeah, actually using the word "insurance" just kinda strikes me odd...they ARE zeroing in on insurance, obviously, imo....

i think it's very possible they couldn't afford a brand new vehicle & knew they could get a good deal with the insurance money through Michelle's father on a used Explorer...

something 'hit the fan' just prior to Michelle's death...probably just days prior... she found out about something...or something had been going on & she was finally fed up w/it.....

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Thinking more on the insurance, what if MY's insurance was bumped up after she learned she was pregnant in 2006 but before the wreck, then there is another bump up in her insurance before her murder ? Wouldn't that look really odd ? I can understand upon becoming pregnant that both parents might want to increase insurance but only one and twice within a few months ? Should catch someone's attention I would think. Not saying it happened but it is possible. JMO

good thinking....no doubt that would catch someone's attention...i still think the car 'accident' was more than just an accident...heck, there's been folks that killed a spouse, then turned the gun on themselves 'for show'....it's not completely unheard of, that's for sure...

the insurance thing is not going to look good for JY...i have a feeling whatever it is, it's going to look real suspicious for him....he's quizzed someone about the insurance or something, not long before Michelle's death...

[raisincharlie]

yeah, actually using the word "insurance" just kinda strikes me odd...they ARE zeroing in on insurance, obviously, imo....

i think it's very possible they couldn't afford a brand new vehicle & knew they could get a good deal with the insurance money through Michelle's father on a used Explorer...

something 'hit the fan' just prior to Michelle's death...probably just days prior... she found out about something...or something had been going on & she was finally fed up w/it.....
I think something hit the fan a while back - I don't think MY was oblivious to it. Thinking on it - she could have had a major melt down recently if she found out JY was having a relationship with a sorority sister, some one who was friends to both of them for a very long time! She could have confronted him and told him to pack off. That would miff anyone.

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I think something hit the fan a while back - I don't think MY was oblivious to it. Thinking on it - she could have had a major melt down recently if she found out JY was having a relationship with a sorority sister, some one who was friends to both of them for a very long time! She could have confronted him and told him to pack off. That would miff anyone.

yes, it would for sure...OR she was fed up with his gambling...i KNOW that's only rumor, but he could have been gambling for awhile, & it took it's toll with a huge loss...betting on football games & the such through a bookie....

but....you're probably right...finding out about a girlfriend would probably be 'the last straw'....

ok, i have two boys here waiting on me to get ready to leave for 75 cent bowling, lol.....got to run:)

[strach304]

Just wanted to remind everyone that this isn't the first time a plural has been indicated by LE, remember the Greta interview where the sheriff stated person and corrected it to persons responsible?

Also recall Mr. Peterson being put on the stand to testify that Scott had not told him he was fishing when he spoke with him that day. I'm just thinking of the similarities here with Jason and his parents because I don't think LE will get that info from them voluntarily.

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[QUOTE=scandi]I'm thinking there is something LE doesn't want out in the public eye right now re: that warrant on the lap top that came back on the 22nd of
Dec. A full week has gone by and it isn't up like the others were. That says a lot to me.

Charlie, do you remember when they put those other warrants on line and how many days it had been since they had come back. That might give us a reference point.

Otto, I have always had a bit of a curiosity about JY's step father. He was so crusty from the get go, much more so than the average father a couple of days into a childs legal dilema. Wonder what he did in life, military, lawyer? I wonder if he liked JY and have often wondered realizing the crime his son is a POI in, how does he deal with JY. Is he mean to him, or arrogant around him? He sounds like an ultra conservative and that might not bode well living with a man the police favor as the one who splattered his wifes blood and brains over their bed and left his own child to wander aimlessly around her for hours.
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Hey Scandi, I wrote you a really long, detailed response to this but when I hit the post button, the thread was closed and the response disappeared. We're off snowboarding for the afternoon, but I think it's an interesting topic and will repost later when we're back. Gotta enjoy that winter wonderland while it's here!

[packerdog]

I think something hit the fan a while back - I don't think MY was oblivious to it. Thinking on it - she could have had a major melt down recently if she found out JY was having a relationship with a sorority sister, some one who was friends to both of them for a very long time! She could have confronted him and told him to pack off. That would miff anyone.

I wonder how recent before the murder MM had contact with MY. Did MM call MY often and act like everything was normal? Did MM distance herself from MY in the last 3 months?

[scandi]

I think something hit the fan a while back - I don't think MY was oblivious to it. Thinking on it - she could have had a major melt down recently if she found out JY was having a relationship with a sorority sister, some one who was friends to both of them for a very long time! She could have confronted him and told him to pack off. That would miff anyone.


And Charlie, that is exactly why I believe his friend 'F' {? too early for me - just woke up!} when he said JY left the house with several suitcases that night. She had told him to get out and it was his first attempt to remove his things from the house.

Seems to fit for me! :rolleyes:

[strach304]

I wonder how recent before the murder MM had contact with MY. Did MM call MY often and act like everything was normal? Did MM distance herself from MY in the last 3 months?

Interesting thoughts. Michelle sure surrounded herself with some real winners. :(

[raisincharlie]

And Charlie, that is exactly why I believe his friend 'F' {? too early for me - just woke up!} when he said JY left the house with several suitcases that night. She had told him to get out and it was his first attempt to remove his things from the house.

Seems to fit for me! :rolleyes:
Scandi,

It would be interesting to see an inventory list of what was in the SUV wouldn't it? One has to wonder about this issue of how much luggage he took with him. Assuming he had more than what was necessary for an overnight in VA and at the folks house:

Would he unpack the SUV in Brevard ?

How would he explain all the excess luggage to his folks?

While preparing to come back to Raleigh - did his family see the excess luggage in the SUV, did they even wonder about it?

Upon arriving in Raleigh, the police would now have possesion of all this luggage-did this alert police, or make them think he was preparing to run ?

Lots more questions could be raised by the luggage if it is true there was a significant amount. Maybe , if JY planned this all out, the luggage, which we now know included a laptop, not being unloaded at his folks house is the area of his plan that failed to be executed. Interesting if true...

[raisincharlie]

Just wanted to remind everyone that this isn't the first time a plural has been indicated by LE, remember the Greta interview where the sheriff stated person and corrected it to persons responsible?

Also recall Mr. Peterson being put on the stand to testify that Scott had not told him he was fishing when he spoke with him that day. I'm just thinking of the similarities here with Jason and his parents because I don't think LE will get that info from them voluntarily.Strach,

I think you are right, LE is not going to get any voluntary information from relatives in Brevard. I think any information obtained will be obtained with lawyer(s) present and even then it will be sparse except for information about how JY reacted to news of his wife being found murdered. JMO

You have a very good memory - do you recall hearing about JY's brother in law driving the SUV when JY returned to Raleigh ? For some reason it is in my head that JY and the brother in law were in the SUV but I can't recall if anyone else was. We know from news reports there was JY, BIL, Sister, Mom and Dad that came back from Brevard. A Ford Explorer is a mid sized SUV. Luggage for five people and five grown people in an Explorer seems like a tight fit for a five hour drive IMO. Recall anything ?

ETA - I also don't think the Samsung phone taken from the SUV was JYs, I think it belongs to a family member (BIL) IMO. The Cingular phone was id'd in the warrants as JYs with a Raleigh exchange. The Samsung was id'd as being found in the SUV but no details on the exchange or no listing as belonging to JY which was greatly detailed with respect to the Cingular phone. Thoughts?

[Samiya]

Scandi,

It would be interesting to see an inventory list of what was in the SUV wouldn't it? One has to wonder about this issue of how much luggage he took with him. Assuming he had more than what was necessary for an overnight in VA and at the folks house:

Would he unpack the SUV in Brevard ?

How would he explain all the excess luggage to his folks?

While preparing to come back to Raleigh - did his family see the excess luggage in the SUV, did they even wonder about it?

Upon arriving in Raleigh, the police would now have possesion of all this luggage-did this alert police, or make them think he was preparing to run ?

Lots more questions could be raised by the luggage if it is true there was a significant amount. Maybe , if JY planned this all out, the luggage, which we now know included a laptop, not being unloaded at his folks house is the area of his plan that failed to be executed. Interesting if true...RC,

Who is F? Scandi's lost me, lol.

(I gotta stop being naughty on ctv, lol. They had me in fits of laughter on one thread)

Sami

[raisincharlie]

RC,

Who is F? Scandi's lost me, lol.

(I gotta stop being naughty on ctv, lol. They had me in fits of laughter on one thread)

SamiI'm pretty sure Scandi is referring to Rhett Fussell.

Happy New Year by the way !!!

[Samiya]

I'm pretty sure Scandi is referring to Rhett Fussell.

Happy New Year by the way !!!Okes :) TY :)

Off to sleuthing again because if Mr Fussell mentioned an 'amount' of luggage, then I have a few things to say :)

[Samiya]

The final AR for anyone interested.

Nope I don't have info :( but I can tell you.....

Because the autopsy is not a clinical autopsy, parts of the results are subject to Forensic analysis (Toxicology etc) and if they're part of the backlog that has occurred then the final AR will be delayed as the examination won't be complete until reports are back.

Sami

[scandi]

Good Morning. Yes it was Fussell. Good work guys!~

What I noticed is that one thing on that Dell was correspondence with insurance co's. That rules out then what we've been thinking, that he fudged an insurance doc, right?

The article Sami posted on the Warrant thread doesn't mention that JY stopped in Brevard and picked up his 3 family members before driving back to Raleigh. Maybe that's not imp[ortant.

And Sami, thanks for that insight on the autopsy. Hope they don't seal it. Last night I watched a Daryl Himnan crime show, and the mother had been violently murdered like Michelle with hits to the back of the head and her face. In drawing up her profile, Daryl said this was someone very close to the woman as the scene showed a violent rage. Turns out it was the ex hubby! They showed the scene with blood everywhere, and I could not believe the mess.

My shoulder is killing me - I am sure a nerve is suppressed in my socket as my hand keeps tingling. So I probably won't post a whole lot today, but I'll be here reading. OMG, I'm now thinking I have spent too much time on the computer lately with my arm in that one position! :eek: ;)

Scandi

[raisincharlie]

Good Morning. Yes it was Fussell. Good work guys!~

What I noticed is that one thing on that Dell was correspondence with insurance co's. That rules out then what we've been thinking, that he fudged an insurance doc, right?

The article Sami posted on the Warrant thread doesn't mention that JY stopped in Brevard and picked up his 3 family members before driving back to Raleigh. Maybe that's not imp[ortant.

And Sami, thanks for that insight on the autopsy. Hope they don't seal it. Last night I watched a Daryl Himnan crime show, and the mother had been violently murdered like Michelle with hits to the back of the head and her face. In drawing up her profile, Daryl said this was someone very close to the woman as the scene showed a violent rage. Turns out it was the ex hubby! They showed the scene with blood everywhere, and I could not believe the mess.

My shoulder is killing me - I am sure a nerve is suppressed in my socket as my hand keeps tingling. So I probably won't post a whole lot today, but I'll be here reading. OMG, I'm now thinking I have spent too much time on the computer lately with my arm in that one position! :eek: ;)

Scandi
Its magic ! Have been thinking of you (good thoughts I promise) and here you are ! :) :) :)

[strach304]

RC, from what I remember it was the bil, sister and mother. No father. That info in the warrant on the laptop where it states corroboration with evidence and witnesses, etc. may be in line with the fax. Since we're also on the subject of that cell phone with all the whistles and bells just wanted to remind everyone that my daughter told me you can fax from these new phones.

[strach304]

Sami, there was a case I was recently reading about where a drowning took place but the toxicology that did show drugs took over 2 months, almost 3 for the results.

I personally think in this case LE doesn't have the forensics back at least not everything. Seems like there would be a lot in this case anyway with such a bloody crime scene.

Anyone ever think the reason LE knew it wasn't random from the get-go is because there was evidence of an attempted clean up in the home? As well as the weapon missing.

[raisincharlie]

Sami, there was a case I was recently reading about where a drowning took place but the toxicology that did show drugs took over 2 months, almost 3 for the results.

I personally think in this case LE doesn't have the forensics back at least not everything. Seems like there would be a lot in this case anyway with such a bloody crime scene.

Anyone ever think the reason LE knew it wasn't random from the get-go is because there was evidence of an attempted clean up in the home? As well as the weapon missing.
Strach,

This random -vs- non-random issue is puzzling. I think back to Dyleski and he did make an attempt to clean some things related to the crime before he left the scene, no specific weapon was found for the blows which actually killed PV and the knife found in Dyleski's belongings was never clearly identified as being the knife involved in the stabbing and carving. Defintely a rageful, personal type of killing but the CCCo sheriff never called this a non-random crime.

I'm not sure but I suspect there must have been several reasons for LE to say this was a non-random crime or, there was only one reason and it was not a material, physical, reason. JMO

[Samiya]

And Sami, thanks for that insight on the autopsy. Hope they don't seal it. Last night I watched a Daryl Himnan crime show, and the mother had been violently murdered like Michelle with hits to the back of the head and her face. In drawing up her profile, Daryl said this was someone very close to the woman as the scene showed a violent rage. Turns out it was the ex hubby! They showed the scene with blood everywhere, and I could not believe the mess.

ScandiYou're welcome Scandi re the AR. I also hope they don't seal it!

As for Mr Fussell..........

If he has said that there was a specific amount of luggage that Jason TOOK with him, the I certainly have at least 5 questions I'd like answered........

FriendS over to watch GA.....
1 Was he one of the 'friends' over for GA?
2 Did Jason leave while they were there?
3 If not, how does Mr Fussell KNOW how much Jason took?

FrienD of to watch GA.......
4 Did Mr Fussell get that information from the 'friend' (if only one person to watch GA) who was there?
5 Did Jason leave while the 'friend' was there with Michelle?

It certainly doesn't seem like something that would've been casually discussed at a funeral......as in "oh and I took exey amount of luggage"

Curious now :)
Sami

[scandi]

That is what he said though, that JY had talked to him at the funeral!

Sami, did you find Fussell's exact quote over at CTV? I thought he said he took several suitcases with him. It wasn't bags, but when I read it it implied to me the standard size suitcase.

[raisincharlie]

That is what he said though, that JY had talked to him at the funeral!I recall Fussell saying JY told him things at the funeral - and I got to say, it seems to me to be more an awareness of guilt thing to me - why the heck, if one is so distraught over loosing their wife and falling to their knees, plumb to their knees, would they be telling this guy at a funeral that he left Thursday nite to get a headstart on a trip to Virginia ? Crazy and certainly not overly distraught IMO - more like CYA conversation - JMO.

[strach304]

Ok call me slow but I'm not getting the one reason, not physical clue?
I don't think it would be out of the ordinary for a stranger to clean themselves up from such a horrific crime and even take the weapon with them in case of forensics. In the event there had been a fight with things thrown and busted before the actual murder I can see that person wanting to cover it up. Specifically wedding photos and or wedding rings that would indicate a very specific person. The lamp as the weapon would show a higher probability of a known assailant rather than say a hammer taken from the garage. In the Harvey case they came in with guns but used a hammer from the victims home that they left at the crime scene.

[strach304]

I recall Fussell saying JY told him things at the funeral - and I got to say, it seems to me to be more an awareness of guilt thing to me - why the heck, if one is so distraught over loosing their wife and falling to their knees, plumb to their knees, would they be telling this guy at a funeral that he left Thursday nite to get a headstart on a trip to Virginia ? Crazy and certainly not overly distraught IMO - more like CYA conversation - JMO.

Very good point and remember exactly how the paper quoted him in saying "he snuck out for a business trip"?
That wording struck all of us as odd at the time and I still think until I know otherwise that Fussel was repeating what was said to him and not his own twist. More indicative at the time Jason was going for a business meeting and coming right back like he wouldn't be gone long enough to even be missed and then he suddenly ends up visiting family in Brevard from there? Haven't seen one person acknowledge the trip to Brevard being pre-planned. Only reason Meredith knew was because of the voicemail imo.

[raisincharlie]

Ok call me slow but I'm not getting the one reason, not physical clue?
I don't think it would be out of the ordinary for a stranger to clean themselves up from such a horrific crime and even take the weapon with them in case of forensics. In the event there had been a fight with things thrown and busted before the actual murder I can see that person wanting to cover it up. Specifically wedding photos and or wedding rings that would indicate a very specific person. The lamp as the weapon would show a higher probability of a known assailant rather than say a hammer taken from the garage. In the Harvey case they came in with guns but used a hammer from the victims home that they left at the crime scene.
Cassidy - at her age, she does not know what a lie is let alone be able to form one.

I don't think a certain amount of cleanup would be indicative of a known person or stranger either. In this case we do know from the first warrant - three wedding photos were collected as evidence.

[raisincharlie]

Very good point and remember exactly how the paper quoted him in saying "he snuck out for a business trip"?
That wording struck all of us as odd at the time and I still think until I know otherwise that Fussel was repeating what was said to him and not his own twist. More indicative at the time Jason was going for a business meeting and coming right back like he wouldn't be gone long enough to even be missed and then he suddenly ends up visiting family in Brevard from there? Haven't seen one person acknowledge the trip to Brevard being pre-planned. Only reason Meredith knew was because of the voicemail imo.
Spot on Strach ! If JY was actually in VA for business - he didn't swing by his folks because it was close. I am of the opinion this trip to Brevard was more a spur of the moment thing or maybe the day before at the earliest - but nothing planned well in advanced. None of the insiders that I recall indicated it was a planned trip or even broached the subject of some special family event at the time that would warrant a drive from VA to Brevard.

[BarnGoddess]

In this line of thinking, would the trip to Brevard an impromtu thought? Let's say the trip to his parent's not planned originially. Could there have been an argument, he left for the meeting, but drove around getting angrier and angrier, went back to confront her, killed her, then had to do some planning. Cover tracks, let's say. Find a "gift" on the net, maybe at a motel that had free wireless, fax it back, call MF the next day, then panic sets in and he goes to his comfort zone. That I would guess be his parents. I mean, after all his step father was really quick to get him a lawyer.

Help me here, if we know now he came back to Raleigh on the 3rd, was the attorney engaged before he made the trip back or before he left Brevard?

[strach304]

BG, because of the way the first reports came out it was worded that he was out of town on business and visiting family in Brevard so that's where so much of the convenience theory came from until it was known his business was in Va. Many of us intially mapped out all kinds of Virginia locations to try and get close to Brevard but since then haven't come up with anything that would make that visit fall in line with the business. There was also a game scheduled for Saturday that he surely would've wanted to attend. I know the original reports stated he was going to visit his parents for the weekend. What pieces are there do not make sense and the only people who can say for sure when Jason arranged a visit will probably not talk. Much of what you are asking is how I see it could've happened but even if it was a premeditated plan it looks like something went wrong in much the same way as the SP case where he had to change alibi's.

[strach304]

Be back later, Happy New Year everyone :blowkiss:

[BarnGoddess]

BG, because of the way the first reports came out it was worded that he was out of town on business and visiting family in Brevard so that's where so much of the convenience theory came from until it was known his business was in Va. Many of us intially mapped out all kinds of Virginia locations to try and get close to Brevard but since then haven't come up with anything that would make that visit fall in line with the business. There was also a game scheduled for Saturday that he surely would've wanted to attend. I know the original reports stated he was going to visit his parents for the weekend. What pieces are there do not make sense and the only people who can say for sure when Jason arranged a visit will probably not talk. Much of what you are asking is how I see it could've happened but even if it was a premeditated plan it looks like something went wrong in much the same way as the SP case where he had to change alibi's.

I just threw out another scenario. My original one was much more devious. Having him come back after checking in to a motel in the nearest mid size town over the border and returning. I just thought that if the visit to his parent's wasn't planned, then he went to his parent's in a panic. You are right, I did think that since the game was such a big weekend with all of his and Michelle's friends, he would not have planned a weekend stopover with his parents. Still think he planned it, though.

[raisincharlie]

I just threw out another scenario. My original one was much more devious. Having him come back after checking in to a motel in the nearest mid size town over the border and returning. I just thought that if the visit to his parent's wasn't planned, then he went to his parent's in a panic. You are right, I did think that since the game was such a big weekend with all of his and Michelle's friends, he would not have planned a weekend stopover with his parents. Still think he planned it, though.
BarnGoddess,

Happy New Year to you and the Barn God - hope you are well and able to get around okay !

As to JY's travels, I think there is a possibility that the trip to Brevard was not planned but made up as time progressed. By that I mean that maybe Michelle was supposed to be at work on Friday, maybe Jy thought someone would try to reach her when she did not show and maybe someone would go check about her if they could not reach her.

I think it is possible that JY thought once his business meeting was over, there might be a voicemail for him concerning his wife. When he checked and it wasn't so - he could have called MM and asked her to send the fax whatever - this would give him a reason to send MF over or he sent the fax himself - with all the computers siezed - I have little doubt LE will determine both the source of this document and the time it was sent.

I think it is possible that JY might have gone into panic mode the second he checked his voicemail after that meeting and there was no message concerning Michelle. Seems to me if he killed his wife he would want to be highly visible so he could use others to vouch for him. So I suspect his whereabouts on 3 December would be such - credit card usages to document he was away etc. I understand from the warrants that JY actually left MF a voicemail to pick up the fax. He had no idea what time she would go to get it so therefore he could not return to Raleigh, at least until he knew his wife had been found. I'm sure LE has a time line of every call he made and everytime he checked voicemail. The good thing about that - they will also be able to create a map of his location at each of those times. LE will know if he called his folks a few days before, one day before or the same day his wife was found murdered. I think it is possible he may have called the very mornig his wife lay dead. JMO.

I think it will be difficult to get his family members to say much and they are only going to say something if forced to do so. Again JMO but phone records should confirm conversations with Brevard phones.

One thing I noted in the December 8th article on WRAL = Where is Jason Young? (check post 23 in links) Amanda Lamb flat out asks Joe, JYs brother in law, where JY is and Joe says to his knowledge JY is in Raleigh. Amanda notes that MY's car is in his garage. Either it was a lie or JY is running about in a vehicle less known by friends and as I imagine , he hopes less known to LE. Just a thought...

[BarnGoddess]

Thanks Charlie, maybe Strach misunderstood my post. We are definitely all speculating here.

Looked like you may have gotten some rain today.

Happy New Year and hope the New Year finds an arrest.

[raisincharlie]

Thanks Charlie, maybe Strach misunderstood my post. We are definitely all speculating here.

Looked like you may have gotten some rain today.

Happy New Year and hope the New Year finds an arrest.
No rain today luv - it came yesterday but today was grim and windy. No fun hacking today but got it done.

So what do you think - JY out and about in a relative's vehicle ?

[BarnGoddess]

Found the link. Ok, he came back to Raleigh in his SUV, left again for Brevard in his wife's car. It's in the garage at his brother's. He's back in Raleigh. And just where is Cassidy? If he's wandering around Raleigh, we'd have heard about it. I don't think he's straying far from his family. They certainly are covering for him, that's for sure. If I were the sister, and he was truly innocent, I'd at least say something about missing Michelle and how torn up her brother was. No comment and a closed door isn't what makes you scream "he's innocent.

Ok, missed your weather day by one. The wind's a b**tch, ain't it. Neat cattle drive today. They found the calves and drove them home the old fashioned way, on horseback. Well, ok they cheated too. The big loader followed them along.

[raisincharlie]

Found the link. Ok, he came back to Raleigh in his SUV, left again for Brevard in his wife's car. It's in the garage at his brother's. He's back in Raleigh. And just where is Cassidy? If he's wandering around Raleigh, we'd have heard about it. I don't think he's straying far from his family. They certainly are covering for him, that's for sure. If I were the sister, and he was truly innocent, I'd at least say something about missing Michelle and how torn up her brother was. No comment and a closed door isn't what makes you scream "he's innocent.

Ok, missed your weather day by one. The wind's a b**tch, ain't it. Neat cattle drive today. They found the calves and drove them home the old fashioned way, on horseback. Well, ok they cheated too. The big loader followed them along.
Maybe its a good thing he is driving some one else's car, being so distraught, he might be so reminded of his wife driving her car, he might run plumb off the road down a 100 foot embankment into a river. :slap:

:crazy:

[jilly]

Maybe its a good thing he is driving some one else's car, being so distraught, he might be so reminded of his wife driving her car, he might run :laugh: plumb off the road down a 100 foot embankment into a river. :slap:

:crazy:

That was good RC! LOL

[raisincharlie]

That was good RC! LOL

HAPPY NEW YEAR JILLY !!! :) :) :)

[concernedperson]

Happy New Year Everyone. Hopefully, new year will bring a resolution.

[scandi]

Now remember Charlie about that good 'ole Karma. We want this guy taken down by the letter of the law for a permanent record of his brutal violation and ending of the lives of two other human beings. If he did this, which I'm a thinkin' is lookin pretty strong right now with everything we have learned, and he is gonna hide behind the skirts of his famous law firm, let him roast in the end. {A thumbs down in the gladiator ring, looking up at Ceasar Augustus}

Even killers who have done so wrong, and come to feeling remorse about what they did - they are still as guilty in the eye of the law, but the difference is that with sincere remorse, one would be glad to shake his hand as he is led to death row or wherever they put him. Actually I think this is my most best statement I have made this whole year in this case. I don't think I will be shakin' JY's hand when this is all over and done.

Scandi


PS: The thought is there, but the 3 glasses of vino might have made the message be stated in poor fashion. Sorry Sweetie.

Oopsala - It's 9pm here in Oregon, that is MIDNIGHT on the East Coast. Happy New Years everyone!

[Samiya]

That is what he said though, that JY had talked to him at the funeral!

Sami, did you find Fussell's exact quote over at CTV? I thought he said he took several suitcases with him. It wasn't bags, but when I read it it implied to me the standard size suitcase.Hiya Scandi and Happy New Year to you and all here!

I've only found Fussell's thing in the paper. Nothing on ctv, but I have never read everything there anyway. Although I did recently correct FrankieBones and told him the real timeframe of Jason's alibi.

This is all I've found that Fussell has said so far and I have no idea if there's anything else around. I was going on your post about F saying about luggage. scrap my questions to Fussell, lol....but they was good questions, hehehe.

Quote from http://www.newsobserver.com/141/story/511581.html
[QUOTE]First, it was shock," said Rhett Fussell, a close friend of Michelle and her husband. "I thought, 'There's no way. She's 29, and I just had lunch with her the other day.' Now, the terror's set in."

The two had met the previous year, their friend Fussell recalled. Michelle and some girlfriends had headed to the Have a Nice Day Cafe for some late-night dancing. Young, also a student at NCSU, and his crew had ended up there, too.

Michelle, a spirited dancer, was showing off her moves. Jason Young, not as smooth, hung out near the bar. Michelle pulled him out on the dance floor.

Jason Young bloomed late, and it took him awhile to settle on the idea of marriage, Fussell said. Michelle, as usual, knew just what she wanted. Family was at the top of the list, Fussell said.

The two got married in October 2003. A mutt Jason Young rescued from a shelter carried the wedding bands down the aisle of the Long View Center, a chapel they rented on Moore Square in downtown Raleigh.

Cassidy made their family three the following spring. She became the center of their universe, Fussell said. They toted her to Wolfpack games. Cassidy would be decked out in a little cheerleading outfit, and her dad would pop her up in mock cheerleading lifts.

Jason Young itched to have another baby, Fussell said. Michelle got pregnant in summer; their baby boy was due next spring. Jason Young had just gotten a new job in sales for a medical records company. The gig meant more money, and Michelle talked of cutting back to part time on her job so she could spend more time with the kids.

Michelle Young's last day was like most for her. She headed to downtown Raleigh on Nov. 2 to work as a senior financial analyst in the tax department of Progress Energy. After work, it was a quiet evening at home.

Jason Young has said he slipped out that evening to get a head start for an early morning sales meeting in Virginia, according to Fussell, who said he talked to Jason Young at his wife's funeral.

Michelle Young stayed behind with Cassidy; a girlfriend came over to watch TV with her, the friend told Fussell. Cassidy popped in a DVD of "Cinderella" -- a Halloween gift -- and watched until she fell fast asleep.[QUOTE]

Hugs
Sami

[Samiya]

Maybe its a good thing he is driving some one else's car, being so distraught, he might be so reminded of his wife driving her car, he might run plumb off the road down a 100 foot embankment into a river. :slap:

:crazy:**insert a thousand laughing emoticons since they won't show up!**

oooohhh my tummy hurts, lol.

ETA: drats. I had a whole heap of laughies and they wouldn't show up :(

[scandi]

Even I, the LOL of the bunch, could not see any humor in letting this nothingness of a person get off so easy. Sorry, but I think he is cold blooded and a complete egotist reamed with spurts of selfish cruelty towards those he is suppose to hold dear to his heart.

They edited it about the luggage Sami. I read the same article, but following the statement about speaking to JY at the funeral is when he blabbed about the luggage. That must be why they edited it. Damned attorneys. I wondered when they were going to catch that one. So I swear on a stack of Bibles 10 feet tall I did read that about Fussell and the luggage. I'll look for a post about it at CTV, but it's probably also X'ed out of existance! Like JTF. Ya Ya , Sure ya bet 'cha! LOL

New Years Day for you now Sami. Have a great day. How's that baby. Is the mommy your daughter or your son's wife? Scandi

[raisincharlie]

Even I, the LOL of the bunch, could not see any humor in letting this nothingness of a person get off so easy. Sorry, but I think he is cold blooded and a complete egotist reamed with spurts of selfish cruelty towards those he is suppose to hold dear to his heart.
Scandi
Scandi,

Believe me, I was being very sarcastic with that comment about driving off the road. Remember pops saying JY fell plumb to his knees when he told him about Michelle - thats the plumb part. The driving off the road down an embankment was in reference to the May wreck.

Trust me - I don't want whoever did this to get off lightly by any means. In fact I think they deserve to be stoned to death if I had my say. I was being my stupidly sarcastic self with that comment.

[Samiya]

Even I, the LOL of the bunch, could not see any humor in letting this nothingness of a person get off so easy. Sorry, but I think he is cold blooded and a complete egotist reamed with spurts of selfish cruelty towards those he is suppose to hold dear to his heart.

They edited it about the luggage Sami. I read the same article, but following the statement about speaking to JY at the funeral is when he blabbed about the luggage. That must be why they edited it. Damned attorneys. I wondered when they were going to catch that one. So I swear on a stack of Bibles 10 feet tall I did read that about Fussell and the luggage. I'll look for a post about it at CTV, but it's probably also X'ed out of existance! Like JTF. Ya Ya , Sure ya bet 'cha! LOL

New Years Day for you now Sami. Have a great day. How's that baby. Is the mommy your daughter or your son's wife? ScandiHey hon,

I didn't doubt you at all re the luggage comment, and as Charlie pointed out to me in a pm too you'd have gotten that info from somewhere. So it's not your fault that the media changed the story before I got to see it :) I was trying to scour through ctv to find something on it as well and just gave up and posted my 'questions', lol.

Yes, my sweet lady, you are the Queen of our LOL's :) and I am very naughty. I saw the sarcasm in RC's post and that's what I was laughing at :) When I first read that he had Michelle's car, I didn't know what to think. I know that I could not drive around in it if I was him and innocent, without bursting into tears because it would remind me of her constantly, and I probably would end up having an accident in it because i'd not be able to see the road through my tears. :(

No baby yet :( They've put her due date to the 9th January! It's my daughter :)

[Samiya]

That the media reports are continually being updated too...All of them. I don't know if it's just Chelle's or others not related as well. Did anyone save any of the first reports to their hard drives? Now that Scandi told me that the one about Fussell and the suitcases bit has been removed, I believe I remember another one that was also changed....but stuffed if I can remember which one.....

mmmmmmmm

Sami

[raisincharlie]

That the media reports are continually being updated too...All of them. I don't know if it's just Chelle's or others not related as well. Did anyone save any of the first reports to their hard drives? Now that Scandi told me that the one about Fussell and the suitcases bit has been removed, I believe I remember another one that was also changed....but stuffed if I can remember which one.....

mmmmmmmm

Sami
Sorry Sami - the only thing I've saved was the search warrants - I figured they would disappear shortly.

[scandi]

They re-jigged a bunch of posts re: the 'friends' at CTV. It was not the article, but a post where I read that, and it was from a friend I am just sure.

Since I have 2 hours to go till the midnight hour, I'll go search. It was posted not long before JTF made his/her first post - within the day, probably the 7th or 8th I think.. JTF's first post was on the 9th.

Back at you, my Sloppy Joes's are cooking and I've given up on Cabernet - yuck! down to good 'ole Pepsi to bring in the new year!

The 9th it is, and I hope your daughter is OK with the waiting. It's God's call now for the date and time!

xoxoxo Scandi

[Samiya]

REMEMBERING A DAUGHTER LOST: LINDA FISHER SPEAKS FROM SAYVILLE.

The mother of Michelle Fisher Young, a former Sayville resident who was killed two months ago at her North Carolina home, yesterday spoke tearfully of the pain of missing her daughter after a church service where a Mass was offered for the young woman.

Holding up a picture of her daughter, Linda Fisher said outside St. Lawrence the Martyr Roman Catholic Church in Sayville, "Isn't she wonderful? ... That was our song," referring to the Stevie Wonder song "Isn't She Lovely.".....

READ MORE (http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-limurd0101,0,6564130.story?coll=ny-linews-headlines)

I did wonder about the choice of Isn't She Lovely. It didnt seem like a song Jason would pick out. Off to read the rest of the article....but I had to make sure that we got it here first at WebSleuths :) I've also posted it in the Media Links Thread.

:( Sami.

Ok Scandi..........what are Sloppy Joes my dear? Over here they're jumpers and I don't think you're eating those, lol. The wool would get stuck between your teeth!

Dying to officially be a nana :)
Sorry God, but come on cool dude, don't keep me hanging http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Samiya]

Oh! I am crying........

Linda confirmed that she has not SEEN Cassidy since Chelle's murder.

Sorry for the outburst but....

SHAME ON YOU JASON YOUNG!!!!!
Jason :croc: Samiya

[Alice253]

From Sami's link above: She also said she hasn't seen her granddaughter Cassidy since the killing, but would not elaborate.

So is JY keeping Cassidy away from her grandma and her aunt? Sounds like it to me. I'd bet Cassidy was very close to grandma and and Auntie Meredith and what kind of father would deny his child the comfort and love she's always known. Being a granny to two beautiful granddaughters, I know I would be devastated if I were to be denied access to my girls, especially under these circumstances. Other than their memories and photos, Cassidy is all they have left of Michelle. See, if it were me, I would already be in court fighting for visitation, if not all-out custody - but perhaps LE has a reason to ask her not to do that right now. I know I don't know either set of grandparents, but it just seems to me that Cassidy should be with her mother's side of the family. JMHO

[raisincharlie]

The fact that Linda Fisher has not seen her grand daughter or had time to be with her since the murder of Michelle is not only entirely disgusting - it is despicable IMO.

WHY ? There is no acceptable reason.

[Samiya]

The fact that Linda Fisher has not seen her grand daughter or had time to be with her since the murder of Michelle is not only entirely disgusting - it is despicable IMO.

WHY ? There is no acceptable reason.No hon,

There is no acceptable reason, but he may think he has a 'good' reason. She is rather chatty remember :silenced:

I just looked at my outburst. I am calmer now but still angry at him.

I quite like my 'Jason getting eaten by the Samiya croc' lol, I might make that my sig line because even if he turns up innocent he's still a selfish :banghead:

[raisincharlie]

No hon,

There is no acceptable reason, but he may think he has a 'good' reason. She is rather chatty remember :silenced:

I just looked at my outburst. I am calmer now but still angry at him.

I quite like my 'Jason getting eaten by the Samiya croc' lol, I might make that my sig line because even if he turns up innocent he's still a selfish :banghead:
I am sure he has a perfectly "self serving good reason" to keep this child from her Mother's side of the family, especially a chatty child. I hope that chatty child is letting his direct family know how she feels about several things, just as I hope she told LE and Meredith. JMO

[fran]

I can't believe JY is still denying Michelle's family the company of Cassidy. Of course it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why. :waitasec:

It appears that JY is another one of those that think they're smarter than everyone else and can fool even LE. Well, guess what? He's wrong. Everything he's doing is being scrutinized and put down on paper. Each step he takes, each word he speaks is put onto a list in a row:

Points of innocence..................................Points of GUILT............

IMHO, the 'Points of GUILT' list is getting longer and longer and longer. :slap:

It's only a matter of time that the 'Points of GUILT' list gets long enough for a conviction. :behindbar

JMHO
fran

[close_enough]

I recall Fussell saying JY told him things at the funeral - and I got to say, it seems to me to be more an awareness of guilt thing to me - why the heck, if one is so distraught over loosing their wife and falling to their knees, plumb to their knees, would they be telling this guy at a funeral that he left Thursday nite to get a headstart on a trip to Virginia ? Crazy and certainly not overly distraught IMO - more like CYA conversation - JMO.

you hit the nail on the head there RC....that's all that conversation was about, in a nutshell....gettin the word out, of how he wasn't even in town during the murder.....CYA is right

[close_enough]

I am sure he has a perfectly "self serving good reason" to keep this child from her Mother's side of the family, especially a chatty child. I hope that chatty child is letting his direct family know how she feels about several things, just as I hope she told LE and Meredith. JMO

it doesn't surprise me one bit that Cassidy hasn't seen the Fisher's since the murder.....

[scandi]

The fact that Linda Fisher has not seen her grand daughter or had time to be with her since the murder of Michelle is not only entirely disgusting - it is despicable IMO.

WHY ? There is no acceptable reason.

It wouldn't be to recycle Cassidy's brain about what she saw and told Meredith, although they might want to try. What Cassidy stated is of record on the 911 tape. I wonder if all of the family knows what she said? Esp thinking of JY's parents!

Sami thanks for the link and I am so glad we got it first!!!! YaYa

It is so sad she hasn't seen her other Grandma. She lives in NY, right, so maybe she didn't get to see her often, but I would be sure to think they talked on the phone alot. That's what my boys did when we were far away from Grama and Grandpa.

[scandi]

Cassidy wouldn't testify at trial anyway we thought here as she is too young. And even if she is 3 1/2 or 4 come a trial, the time between the murder and the trial would be too great for her to remember everything. Hopefully everyone now wants her to forget why she said the things she did.

It does make me wonder though if JY allowed Cassidy to be talked to by a specialist - childrens investigator. He has been totally uncooperative so far. Luckily JY was 4-5 hours away when Meredith found Cassidy so JY douldn't remove her from police at that time. Do you think police could talk to her without permission of the living parent? In a murder investigation that was not random as stated righ away by Harrison?

[raisincharlie]

Cassidy wouldn't testify at trial anyway we thought here as she is too young. And even if she is 3 1/2 or 4 come a trial, the time between the murder and the trial would be too great for her to remember everything. Hopefully everyone now wants her to forget why she said the things she did.

It does make me wonder though if JY allowed Cassidy to be talked to by a specialist - childrens investigator. He has been totally uncooperative so far. Luckily JY was 4-5 hours away when Meredith found Cassidy so JY douldn't remove her from police at that time. Do you think police could talk to her without permission of the living parent? In a murder investigation that was not random as stated righ away by Harrison?Scandi,

One thing I have wondered about with Cassidy in particular was if she was sent to hospital to be checked out. She was alone for a long time, exposed to biological concerns and possibly dehydrated to a degree. I would think given the trauma that MF would have accompanied her if this was done. I think it would be possible for several conversations to take place - would these individuals not be allowed to participate at trial ? Just thinking, I do believe it is highly possible the child was checked by medical professionals.

[mikesmom1989]

this is the disgusting. a small child has just lost her mother, worse yet, was with her body for a considerable time & her dad now is keeping her away from her mothers side of the family???????????
i know that we do not know all the facts, but it seems clear to me that the only reason cassidy has not seen MY relatives is because someone is keeping her away. i would imagine the only person with that authority has to be a parent/guardian & in view of the trauma this baby has and im sure continuing to go through, how can anyone possibly think that is in the best interest of the child?? unless, of course that person is worried about what this articulate child will communicate.i dont mean to get O/T or too personal, but for my son's father made the decision to not see and/or have anything at all to do with him almost 14 years ago & till this day i cannot even begin to understand it. my point is if you have good,loving family members that want to surround cassidy with love during this incredibly painful period, why in the world would you not want her to have this support???? i would think a grieving father would welcome his wife's family to help comfort cassidy.
as much as i am angry at my ex for his choices, i know that i would have loved nothing more for my son to have his dad in his life.

[raisincharlie]

this is the disgusting. a small child has just lost her mother, worse yet, was with her body for a considerable time & her dad now is keeping her away from her mothers side of the family???????????
i know that we do not know all the facts, but it seems clear to me that the only reason cassidy has not seen MY relatives is because someone is keeping her away. i would imagine the only person with that authority has to be a parent/guardian & in view of the trauma this baby has and im sure continuing to go through, how can anyone possibly think that is in the best interest of the child?? unless, of course that person is worried about what this articulate child will communicate.i dont mean to get O/T or too personal, but for my son's father made the decision to not see and/or have anything at all to do with him almost 14 years ago & till this day i cannot even begin to understand it. my point is if you have good,loving family members that want to surround cassidy with love during this incredibly painful period, why in the world would you not want her to have this support???? i would think a grieving father would welcome his wife's family to help comfort cassidy.
as much as i am angry at my ex for his choices, i know that i would have loved nothing more for my son to have his dad in his life.I could not agree with you more Mikesmom. For the sake of this child normal faces and loved ones would be most important. Sad. What really kind of bothers me the most about this - not knowing how holidays were shared in the past - but I suspect that both MF and LF would have made any effort to see this baby during the holidays. LF not wanting to say anymore about this says to me and IMO that she has been refused the opportunity to see this child. Most disgusting if true. As I said JMO.

[mikesmom1989]

the holidays must have been brutal, raisincharlie.
it disturbs me that this innocent little girl seems to be deliberately kept from her mom's family, as a matter of fact that disturbs me as much as the fact that her moms murderer is still free. let's for 1 minute absolutely forget about any animosity or hard feelings there may be between the families due to this horrible murder, & from what has been reported through various news links, that does appear to be the case what with JY being uncooperative--- if JY had his childs very best interests at heart, of course MY family would be able to see her --- he needs to put aside whatever feelings there may be, if only that his very daughter deserves to have her loving family, extended, immediate, etc surrounding her during what must be an extremely traumatic,confusing time for her.
i am confident an arrest & conviction will be forthcoming in this case, i just wish it would be yesterday !! hopefully, 2007 will bring comfort --- if that is even remotely possible --- to all of MY loved ones.
JMO

[otto]

I think that Cassidy is going through an extremely difficult time right now. She most likely reverted to bed wetting and is in a form of shock and withdrawal (in her knew unfamiliar environment). Knowing what little I do of children that experience trauma at that age, they often lose memories from time prior to the traumatic experience. Cassidy is probably having her life re-written right now. By being deprived of contact with her mom's family, she will be (in my opinion) forever permanently distanced from them. If enough time passes, then any time she sees them, she will somehow associate them with some feelings of the trauma.

I would urge Michelle's mom and Meredith to seek immediate visitation with the argument that it is in the best interests of Cassidy to maintain a healthy relationship with her mother's side of the family, and that maintaining that relationship will ease the loss of her mother. Furthermore, this clearly would have been Michelles wish. I think they need to act right away because the more time that passes, the more likely the courts will buy the argument that it is better to cut all ties until she is well again.

If Cassidy isn't already seeing a therapist, they should also include that request in their documents and if she is seeing a therapist, they should request a meeting with that person to speak on Michelle's behalf.

If they have to turn their lives upside down to achieve all this, they should because they're only going to get one chance and the longer they wait, the slimmer the chance.

[jilly]

I would urge Michelle's mom and Meredith to seek immediate visitation with the argument that it is in the best interests of Cassidy to maintain a healthy relationship with her mother's side of the family, and that maintaining that relationship will ease the loss of her mother. Furthermore, this clearly would have been Michelles wish. I think they need to act right away because the more time that passes, the more likely the courts will buy the argument that it is better to cut all ties until she is well again.

If Cassidy isn't already seeing a therapist, they should also include that request in their documents and if she is seeing a therapist, they should request a meeting with that person to speak on Michelle's behalf.

If they have to turn their lives upside down to achieve all this, they should because they're only going to get one chance and the longer they wait, the slimmer the chance.

Hey Otto! Happy New Year!:blowkiss:

I guess the only thing is - how often did Michelle's mother see Cassidy before. I seem to remember reading somewhere that Michelle's family never thought much of JY before so I'm wondering if the only time Cassidy got to see her maternal grandmother was when Michelle took her to New York which might not have been that often. Still...I think you make a good point about it being in the child's best interest.

The one who seems closest to Cassidy was Meredith and I don't know if aunts have much of a chance with getting access. I've only heard of grandparents applying for visitation rights.

[philamena]

I can't believe JY is still denying Michelle's family the company of Cassidy. Of course it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why. :waitasec:

It appears that JY is another one of those that think they're smarter than everyone else and can fool even LE. Well, guess what? He's wrong. Everything he's doing is being scrutinized and put down on paper. Each step he takes, each word he speaks is put onto a list in a row:

Points of innocence..................................Points of GUILT............

IMHO, the 'Points of GUILT' list is getting longer and longer and longer. :slap:

It's only a matter of time that the 'Points of GUILT' list gets long enough for a conviction. :behindbar

JMHO
fran
I agree...and IMO the main reason Jason is keeping the child away from her grandmama is this...Cassidy knows something. Remember the 911 tape? I still say the little angel was telling her auntie what dad did to mommy. :(

[otto]

Hey Otto! Happy New Year!:blowkiss:

I guess the only thing is - how often did Michelle's mother see Cassidy before. I seem to remember reading somewhere that Michelle's family never thought much of JY before so I'm wondering if the only time Cassidy got to see her maternal grandmother was when Michelle took her to New York which might not have been that often. Still...I think you make a good point about it being in the child's best interest.

The one who seems closest to Cassidy was Meredith and I don't know if aunts have much of a chance with getting access. I've only heard of grandparents applying for visitation rights.

Thanks and HNE to you too! I don't know much about what kind of contact there was before this happened, but at the very least Meredith should apply for regular visitation. It could be really hard on her given her new apartment and career commitments, but certainly someone can find some funds to cover a few months so she can do the best she could for Cassidy. I think this is a one time shot and they should set everything else aside to ensure that they keep a regular contact with Cassidy.

I guess I sound really adament about this, but it's just like a custody dispute where even a few months of delay will be interpretted as disinterest and then the cards are already partially stacked against.

[fran]

Cassidy wouldn't testify at trial anyway we thought here as she is too young. And even if she is 3 1/2 or 4 come a trial, the time between the murder and the trial would be too great for her to remember everything. Hopefully everyone now wants her to forget why she said the things she did.

It does make me wonder though if JY allowed Cassidy to be talked to by a specialist - childrens investigator. He has been totally uncooperative so far. Luckily JY was 4-5 hours away when Meredith found Cassidy so JY douldn't remove her from police at that time. Do you think police could talk to her without permission of the living parent? In a murder investigation that was not random as stated righ away by Harrison?

It may very well be that Cassidy wouldn't be called upon to testify at trial; however, as many have stated, JY was hours away and I believe there was plenty of interaction with little Cassidy and Meredith, LE and EMT's etc, prior to JY taking physical custody of her. In my (uneducated in law) opinion, anything she said at that time can perhaps be brought up at trial.

Many of us think we heard Cassidy referring to her 'daddy' when she was talking about what happened to her mommy on the 911 tapes. Whenever there's a traumatic event, I believe the first words or statements by victims can be used in court. IE,...that murder trial that just occurred where the mom said her son did it (killed her husband and attacked her) before she went unconscious, yet she claimed she couldn't recall at trial.

IF it was JY who did this crime, this may not have been the first time he'd physically attacked MY. Cassidy may have been witness to previous altercations as well and may have even told LE. Even without her actual testimony, I believe this could be used at trial.

Abusers want to control, manipulate and alientate their victim from others. That's how they can often times continue abuse (either mental or physical) for long periods of time without anyone finding out. JY's isolation of Cassidy from outsiders and family is an indication to me, that he's trying to 'control' the situation and Cassidy. He doesn't want her talking until he's got her under his FULL control, ie afraid to say anything about what happened that night. There's no other reason he would isolate Cassidy from MY's family.

He has control of her, she's his possession just like Michelle was.

JMHO
fran

PS.......the 'isolation' part is like when SP said, "no one knows our marriage but Laci and me." That's because they do NOT want anyone to know what goes on behind closed doors............:( .........fran

[Bee Charmer]

Fran, wouldn't those statements by little Cassidy be
"excited utterances?" and allowable into the trial through that
legal definition?

[Taximom]

I'll admit to posting before reading current comments, but wanted to throw up when I read just now (at Frictionpowered (http://www.frictionpowered.blogspot.com)) that Linda Fisher hasn't seen Cassidy.

I wrote there that this fact alone should convert any and all that believe Jason is innocent in the murders of Michelle and their unborn son.

It also proves to me that Cassidy knows enough where letting her see Michelle's family could cost Jason his life.:furious: :furious: :furious:

I say :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: on Jason and his family:sick::sick::sick::sick:.

I'm sure this has already been discussed, so pardon my interruption. I only hope for sweet justice, swift and soon.

Bless little Cassidy.

And I really hate this deja vu feeling.:mad:

[Samiya]

I'll admit to posting before reading current comments, but wanted to throw up when I read just now (at Frictionpowered (http://www.frictionpowered.blogspot.com)) that Linda Fisher hasn't seen Cassidy.

I wrote there that this fact alone should convert any and all that believe Jason is innocent in the murders of Michelle and their unborn son.

It also proves to me that Cassidy knows enough where letting her see Michelle's family could cost Jason his life.:furious: :furious: :furious:

I say :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: on Jason and his family:sick::sick::sick::sick:.

I'm sure this has already been discussed, so pardon my interruption. I only hope for sweet justice, swift and soon.

Bless little Cassidy.

And I really hate this deja vu feeling.:mad:You don't have to read back far hon, page 8 of this thread (had to ETA and change that coz I missed the whole of page 9 sneaking in, lol) and up to my big red writing, lol, which was my reaction to finding the article in the early hours of yesterday morning (my time). I have a program which delivers world news onto my desktop within seconds of it going online and if I'm still awake, I post....lol I was up until after 06:30 my time reading the multitude of posts in ctv so was awake when that one came through.

**Places bucket over in the left hand side of the forum**

Sami

[Taximom]

You don't have to read back far hon, just this page and up to my big red writing, lol, which was my reaction to finding the article in the early hours of yesterday morning (my time). I have a program which delivers world news onto my desktop within seconds of it going online and if I'm still awake, I post....lol I was up until after 06:30 my time reading the multitude of posts in ctv so was awake when that one came through.

**Places bucket over in the left hand side of the forum**

Sami
Thanks, Sami. This latest is really hurting my heart.

[Samiya]

Thanks, Sami. This latest is really hurting my heart.Is breaks my heart too. He has no excuse to keep her away since a supervised visit could be arranged (heck, even once since the murder would've been better than not at all!) and he wouldn't even have to BE there.

PS I had to edit my original post to let you know that the discussion about Linda not seeing Cassidy and the original link are on page 8, lol.

Sami

[close_enough]

Fran, wouldn't those statements by little Cassidy be
"excited utterances?" and allowable into the trial through that
legal definition?

i'm hoping that the prosecution will ask that the 911 tape be entered in as evidence....i have a feeling there will be LOTS of evidence, whether circumstantial or not....

i have always felt...well, since i heard the 911 call, that LE zero'd in on JY immediately, but had to get real evidence gathered to go further.....i think Cassidy saw something....walked in while her parents were struggling...something......

[close_enough]

Thanks, Sami. This latest is really hurting my heart.

yeah, it's bad.....course he can't allow the Fisher's to get around Cassidy for right now....it might mess up all the 'reprogramming' the Young's have done to her in the last 2 months.....course that's JMO

[raisincharlie]

i'm hoping that the prosecution will ask that the 911 tape be entered in as evidence....i have a feeling there will be LOTS of evidence, whether circumstantial or not....

i have always felt...well, since i heard the 911 call, that LE zero'd in on JY immediately, but had to get real evidence gathered to go further.....i think Cassidy saw something....walked in while her parents were struggling...something......
One thing about that tape - not sure how anyone could actually claim it was prejudicial - Meredith was not hysterical nor accusatory. Rather factual IMO and several commented she was too calm...I think it will come in - it cannot possibly be any worse than the crime scene photos IMO.

[Taximom]

yeah, it's bad.....course he can't allow the Fisher's to get around Cassidy for right now....it might mess up all the 'reprogramming' the Young's have done to her in the last 2 months.....course that's JMO
JMO, too, close.

It's so hard to go through something like this under normal circumstances. What helps children is to listen to them and talk to them about the happy memories and their loved one etc. Or to have them draw pictures etc.

It's killing me thinking about how suppressed she must be in her current surroundings.

:furious:

**getting more buckets**

[close_enough]

One thing about that tape - not sure how anyone could actually claim it was prejudicial - Meredith was not hysterical nor accusatory. Rather factual IMO and several commented she was too calm...I think it will come in - it cannot possibly be any worse than the crime scene photos IMO.

exactly RC....Meredith handled the call like a pro, imo....she did what she had to do...i think had Cassidy not been there, it might have been a tad bit different...she was being strong for Cassidy, imo.....

at times it was like she wasn't even paying attention to what Cassidy was saying....she was more concerned with what the dispatcher was telling her....my heart REALLY goes out to Meredith...

[close_enough]

JMO, too, close.

It's so hard to go through something like this under normal circumstances. What helps children is to listen to them and talk to them about the happy memories and their loved one etc. Or to have them draw pictures etc.

It's killing me thinking about how suppressed she must be in her current surroundings.

:furious:

**getting more buckets**

i know what you mean TM.....what goes around really DOES come around, though...JY will 'get his' soon, imo....

[panthera]

Maybe its a good thing he is driving some one else's car, being so distraught, he might be so reminded of his wife driving her car, he might run plumb off the road down a 100 foot embankment into a river. :slap:

:crazy:Happy New Year all! I was reading back to catch up and found this priceless gem ~ good one raisincharlie!!! :D

[panthera]

I think that Cassidy is going through an extremely difficult time right now. She most likely reverted to bed wetting and is in a form of shock and withdrawal (in her knew unfamiliar environment). Knowing what little I do of children that experience trauma at that age, they often lose memories from time prior to the traumatic experience. Cassidy is probably having her life re-written right now. By being deprived of contact with her mom's family, she will be (in my opinion) forever permanently distanced from them. If enough time passes, then any time she sees them, she will somehow associate them with some feelings of the trauma.

I would urge Michelle's mom and Meredith to seek immediate visitation with the argument that it is in the best interests of Cassidy to maintain a healthy relationship with her mother's side of the family, and that maintaining that relationship will ease the loss of her mother. Furthermore, this clearly would have been Michelles wish. I think they need to act right away because the more time that passes, the more likely the courts will buy the argument that it is better to cut all ties until she is well again.

If Cassidy isn't already seeing a therapist, they should also include that request in their documents and if she is seeing a therapist, they should request a meeting with that person to speak on Michelle's behalf.

If they have to turn their lives upside down to achieve all this, they should because they're only going to get one chance and the longer they wait, the slimmer the chance.I couldn't agree with you more, otto. These last few posts I've read have been very sad ~ to think that Jason's family is depriving Michelle's of seeing little Cassidy, and depriving Cassidy of their love. I may have had some doubts about him before, but no longer. His cruel side is being shown by not allowing the Fishers the one piece of Michelle they could still have.

My opinion ~ :(

[panthera]

It's killing me thinking about how suppressed she must be in her current surroundings.

:furious:
Me too. This is awful.
:(

[scandi]

It is awful Panthera. Thank goodness children that age are so resiliant. They are also little sponges, sopping up all the knowledge they can.

I think I have heard her say ""see daddy do it...did that bweeding everywhere...and she dead." She was very smart. She asked for a washcloth so nicely. When asked to go in her bedroom she immediately said either Ok or alright. A little girl like that is advanced beyond her age because she was an only child and think Michelle talked to her a lot in real talk, not baby-type talk.

I'm wondering what LE feels about the Youngs keeping Cassidy from the Fisher side of the family. Any psychologist could get on the stand and explain how family members could have tried to reprogram her mind as to what happened that early morning. I'm not worried as that 911 cal is legal and binding, so to speak. I just hope Cassidy isn't having to listen to negative comments about her Mommy's family. I also wonder how JY treats her. I think the step-father could be very harsh, and have no idewa about the mother. Scandi

[panthera]

It is awful Panthera. Thank goodness children that age are so resiliant. They are also little sponges, sopping up all the knowledge they can.

I think I have heard her say ""see daddy do it...did that bweeding everywhere...and she dead." She was very smart. She asked for a washcloth so nicely. When asked to go in her bedroom she immediately said either Ok or alright. A little girl like that is advanced beyond her age because she was an only child and think Michelle talked to her a lot in real talk, not baby-type talk.

I'm wondering what LE feels about the Youngs keeping Cassidy from the Fisher side of the family. Any psychologist could get on the stand and explain how family members could have tried to reprogram her mind as to what happened that early morning. I'm not worried as that 911 cal is legal and binding, so to speak. I just hope Cassidy isn't having to listen to negative comments about her Mommy's family. I also wonder how JY treats her. I think the step-father could be very harsh, and have no idewa about the mother. ScandiThis scares me also. Not only will she forget all memories of her mother as she grows older, but I'm really hoping there isn't negative "programming" going on as well. Too bad that LE doesn't seem to have enough for an arrest ~ NOW!

[raisincharlie]

it doesn't surprise me one bit that Cassidy hasn't seen the Fisher's since the murder.....
Close,

I've been stewing on LF's statement for two days now. IMO, LF saw her grand daughter on a rather routine basis - not just near holidays and probably spoke to her frequently on the phone. I say this for two reasons, the incredible pain expressed through her words (LF) at the funeral ( if you recall during her press conference she did extremely well until she got to the subject of Cassidy - thats when she broke down) and in this article and the incredible class with which she has conducted herself in the face of this tragedy.

I've concluded that JY is indeed preventing her from seeing Cassidy. I don't think LF needed to elaborate on her statement - the meaning seems obvious to me by the fact that she mentions the murder of Michelle with respect to Cassidy. I take that as before Michelle was murdered LF had complete access to Cassidy when ever the time and occasion allowed. Placing the murder in the statement IMO makes it very plain to me at least, that this access has been terminated, just as was Michelle. I can't think of a more tactful way to say that. Of course - JMO.

[concernedperson]

So sad, raisincharlie, it makes me cry.

[raisincharlie]

So sad, raisincharlie, it makes me cry.
I'm sorry luv - I did not intend to make anyone cry.

[close_enough]

Close,

I've been stewing on LF's statement for two days now. IMO, LF saw her grand daughter on a rather routine basis - not just near holidays and probably spoke to her frequently on the phone. I say this for two reasons, the incredible pain expressed through her words (LF) at the funeral ( if you recall during her press conference she did extremely well until she got to the subject of Cassidy - thats when she broke down) and in this article and the incredible class with which she has conducted herself in the face of this tragedy.

I've concluded that JY is indeed preventing her from seeing Cassidy. I don't think LF needed to elaborate on her statement - the meaning seems obvious to me by the fact that she mentions the murder of Michelle with respect to Cassidy. I take that as before Michelle was murdered LF had complete access to Cassidy when ever the time and occasion allowed. Placing the murder in the statement IMO makes it very plain to me at least, that this access has been terminated, just as was Michelle. I can't think of a more tactful way to say that. Of course - JMO.

same conclusion i have.....i think the article states it in black & white, IMO....she hasn't seen Cassidy since the killing...since Michelle's death...since the murder......she didn't see Cassidy while she was in Raleigh for the funeral....

you said it perfectly & very tactful....

[fran]

Fran, wouldn't those statements by little Cassidy be
"excited utterances?" and allowable into the trial through that
legal definition?

Yes Bee Charmer, that's it, "excited utterances." IF Cassidy said what we think she did on those 911 tapes, LE already knows what happened. The unfortunate thing, in this day and age, is juries generally want 'dna' type evidence. I believe that's what LE is doing now, gathering any 'dna' and phone records and computer evidence.

IMHO, if JY did this, his days as a free man are numbered. He's not smart enough to have completely covered his tracks. After all, the having his SIL going to his home for a FAX is too obvious, IMHO. :slap:

JMHO
fran