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raisincharlie
01-01-2007, 12:49 AM
Thought I would start a thread in the same vein as Sami's thread about lamps. My wife and kids are off visiting with my wife's parents so I'm paying particular attention to pictures this eve. I've been driving everyone crazy on the board today so I need to be constructive. In the search warrant for 5108 Birchleaf Drive of 11/3/06, the inventory reflects collection of three wedding photos.

I am curious as to were everyone keeps their wedding photos, there is no point to this exercise other than to see where most people keep such photos. Perhaps you could also add your opinion as to why three photos were collected from the Young home.

Here are the locations where my wife has placed them in our home:

Bedroom dresser - 1
Family room - 2
Den - 1
Living Room - 1

Total of five, none of which are wall mounts.

I'm not saying why I think the Young wedding photos were taken, I'm much more interested in your opinions. Have fun!;)

Samiya
01-01-2007, 01:46 AM
Copy and paste from my pm's coz I'm too lazy to write it all again, lol. :)

My original guess is they would've been taken so that there were 3 positive photos that would ID Jason at different angles, looks hair colouring etc, in case they needed to compare it to witness statements of seeing someone at the house or in the vacinity and describing that person or comparing it to an artists sketch in case ole Jason never returned and did a runner.

I've not fully thought on the photos and possible reasons why, to be honest, because I've been concentrating on other areas as well.....unknown perp versus premed mostly and telling details separating the two. But in thinking quickly as to LE taking wedding photos, it offers an instant form of providing LE with identification of Jason Young as they can't examine the contents of cell phone, cam corders, disks, etc until they're authorised to.............but that's not to say that they weren't taken for other reasons like spatters and possible defense 'weapons'.....

To continue....

All our wedding photos are on the walls or in albums. Only one is in my office at home on the desk.

I don't have any in the bedroom....lol I'm not allowed to after I got hubby with my rotten sense of humour....I had one of him on my nightstand when we were dating. He was teasing me one night and cheekily asked "who's that guy in the photo". I told him that it was me before my sex change operation.

After we got married and I had totally forgotten about my remark, he said on our honeymoon "No wedding photos beside the bed. It's not fair if you're the only one in the photo!" It took me ages to realize He got Me back, lol.

Sami
xxx

Kadie
01-01-2007, 01:53 AM
Hello! Happy New Year!

First time poster....been doin' alot of lurking! LOL! I was really interested in the Laci Peterson case and MY's murder reminded me alot of Laci......so I am glad I found this website.

Anyways, on to RC's question about wedding photos.

I do not have any mounted on the walls of our house.

1- on coffee table in living room.

1- on hubby's dresser in bedroom.

1-on nightstand in bedroom.

The two I have in the bedroom are more personal photos, I guess. One is of our first dance at the reception and one is a photo of us kissing. Its one of those pics where the photographer is telling you to kiss and we're both kinda giggling while we're kissing....silly, I guess!?!

Anyways, love the website!

~Kadie

So, it makes sense to me about the 3 wedding photos taken....they were probably in the bedroom and had blood spatter on them. JMO

raisincharlie
01-01-2007, 01:57 AM
Hello! Happy New Year!

First time poster....been doin' alot of lurking! LOL! I was really interested in the Laci Peterson case and MY's murder reminded me alot of Laci......so I am glad I found this website.

Anyways, on to RC's question about wedding photos.

I do not have any mounted on the walls of our house.

1- on coffee table in living room.

1- on hubby's dresser in bedroom.

1-on nightstand in bedroom.

The two I have in the bedroom are more personal photos, I guess. One is of our first dance at the reception and one is a photo of us kissing. Its one of those pics where the photographer is telling you to kiss and we're both kinda giggling while we're kissing....silly, I guess!?!

Anyways, love the website!

~Kadie

So, it makes sense to me about the 3 wedding photos taken....they were probably in the bedroom and had blood spatter on them. JMO
Thanks for dropping in Kadie - appreciate your input ! Don't be shy - jump in and help us out here! :)

Samiya
01-01-2007, 02:11 AM
Hey! Welcome Kadie :)
Happy New Year.
Sami

close_enough
01-01-2007, 02:24 PM
hmmmm, not sure about the wedding photos...haven't given much, if any, thoughts to them.....we didn't take photos of when me & hubby got married...(got married at the courthouse)....

could be that these 3 photos had blood on them, but IMO, it seems a little odd to have 3 wedding photos in a bedroom....maybe it's not odd at all, but it seems just a bit strange to me....i can see having one on a dresser or something, but 3??.....

ok....i stopped to call my oldest son...he's been married 4 yrs now, & they have one large hanging photo of them together on their wedding day, in the main room/living room....one smaller pic of him & his groomsmen & best man, & a smaller one of him & his wife kissing outside the mansion (where they got married).....he said there's only one wedding photo in the bedroom...

he (my son) said these wedding photos that LE took, could include a picture of the wedding party .... bridesmaids/groomsmen & all....could be that they took a photo like that to identify close friends to question??

angelmom
01-01-2007, 03:31 PM
I think the idea of the wedding party and/or other family members is a good one. It would be an easy way to identify a lot of the players in this case.

As for the "poll", we have a wedding photo on the wall of our family room (in a grouping with our parents' and grandparents' wedding pics), as well as one in a small frame in a grouping of three photos of us in our early dating/engagement time.

I don't know that there are any others in the house, other than in the album, also in the family room. However, I will temper that answer by saying I am constantly surprised at the number of wedding photos displayed in the homes of my friends, even those who have been married a long time. I recently visited the home of a new friend who has been married only a few years and has just had their first child. On the back of a sofa table was an entire display of wedding photos. So who knows?

Blood spatter or ID of a group of people. Both good guesses.

jilly
01-01-2007, 05:49 PM
Hey Close!! Your son is pretty good! I have to agree with that! (Happy New Year by the way!).

Anyhoo - about my wedding photos - well it's been 25 yrs so over that time, the wedding photos were replaced with family so they went into an album. Right now I have one wp in the bedroom (just the 2 of us) on top of the entertainment cabinet at the foot of the bed.

Welcome Kadie! :)

scandi
01-01-2007, 07:16 PM
Good Job Sami! It hadn't entered my mind about ID'ing JY or others in the wedding party, but it is a very good possibility.

Knowing there was blood on the bed and spatter on a lamp which I think we would assume was on a night table beside the bed, I think it is possible there would be blood spatter on any standing photo there.

We don't know if these 3 photos taken were in frames, just assuming so. The chances of a wedding album sitting out is pretty slim, and they wouldn't go hunting for one I don't think. I think they would take what was in their line of vision.

My wedding photos are in an album with a lot of other family photos, and it was only when I was first married that I set them out in frames, like on my dresser. Scandi

mikesmom1989
01-01-2007, 07:36 PM
hi there ---- i rarely post, mostly lurk cause you guys are all amazing, great sluethers!!!! anyway, with that said, ive always wondered if there was a blowout fight / struggle right before the murder & possibly MY or (especially) the killer smashed the framed photos in a fit of rage, if so, the smashing (i know, just my speculation) of wedding photos seems very personal --- reminds me of ISP putting his wedding photos in the trash can --- speaks volumes to me.

raisincharlie
01-01-2007, 07:45 PM
hi there ---- i rarely post, mostly lurk cause you guys are all amazing, great sluethers!!!! anyway, with that said, ive always wondered if there was a blowout fight / struggle right before the murder & possibly MY or (especially) the killer smashed the framed photos in a fit of rage, if so, the smashing (i know, just my speculation) of wedding photos seems very personal --- reminds me of ISP putting his wedding photos in the trash can --- speaks volumes to me.Mikesmom - glad you stopped by and shared your thoughts. I think what you have speculated may be very possible. If so, it would speak volumes to me as well. Thanks and do come back!:clap:

scandi
01-01-2007, 07:53 PM
It speaks volumes to me too Mikesmom. Good to see you again!

mikesmom1989
01-01-2007, 08:04 PM
It speaks volumes to me too Mikesmom. Good to see you again!
thanks scandi & raisin --- ive now just read that cassdy is being kept away from MY family, ill hop over to that thread & weigh in cause i have really strong feelings on that .
happy& healthy new year to all !!!!

Kadie
01-01-2007, 11:04 PM
Thank you all for the warm welcomes!


Love reading the posts. Will try to post more and "lurk" less! :p

scandi
01-01-2007, 11:35 PM
Kadie, Welcome to our forum. You're a Web Sleuther now! :innocent: I saw you here and meant to say Hi ~ :blushing: got too busy reading and watching that dern football :D Scandi

otto
01-01-2007, 11:38 PM
I just burst out laughing when I saw this thread. Wedding pictures on the wall? on the mantle? on the dresser? Try in a book carefully stored in the basements with other outdated photo albums ... in storage for that time when children want to see what it was all about. I'll have to read and learn to know where they would normally be placed.

raisincharlie
01-02-2007, 09:47 AM
I just burst out laughing when I saw this thread. Wedding pictures on the wall? on the mantle? on the dresser? Try in a book carefully stored in the basements with other outdated photo albums ... in storage for that time when children want to see what it was all about. I'll have to read and learn to know where they would normally be placed.

Glad you got a chuckle out of it. :clap:

Kadie
01-02-2007, 01:08 PM
I just burst out laughing when I saw this thread. Wedding pictures on the wall? on the mantle? on the dresser? Try in a book carefully stored in the basements with other outdated photo albums ... in storage for that time when children want to see what it was all about. I'll have to read and learn to know where they would normally be placed.
I've only been married for a year...that's probably why I still have 3 photos in frames around my house.
I can see not having any wedding photos if you've been married for a long time and now have family photos w/ kids and grandkids.

My parents do not have any of their wedding photos out nor do my in-laws.

close_enough
01-02-2007, 02:01 PM
Hey Close!! Your son is pretty good! I have to agree with that! (Happy New Year by the way!).

Anyhoo - about my wedding photos - well it's been 25 yrs so over that time, the wedding photos were replaced with family so they went into an album. Right now I have one wp in the bedroom (just the 2 of us) on top of the entertainment cabinet at the foot of the bed.

Welcome Kadie! :)

HNY to you too jilly :blowkiss:

yeah, i thought that was pretty cool when my son said that...he knows i'm all into these murder cases, so he gave me his thoughts.....he also said it's doubtful this was done by a hitman....of course a lot of folks have mentioned the fact that a hitman would probably NOT bludgeon someone to death...

lol, while we were on the phone he got up & even double checked the house to see if there were any other wedding photos that he might have overlooked....he found it interesting too, that LE took 3 wedding photos...

raisincharlie
01-02-2007, 02:04 PM
I've only been married for a year...that's probably why I still have 3 photos in frames around my house.
I can see not having any wedding photos if you've been married for a long time and now have family photos w/ kids and grandkids.

My parents do not have any of their wedding photos out nor do my in-laws.

I've been married 17 years and I am quite proud of my wife, boys, and the photos from day one and all in between. I have found no need to hide them in the basement. Have a good dy Kadie. :)

close_enough
01-02-2007, 02:07 PM
I've been married 17 years and I am quite proud of my wife, boys, and the photos from day one and all in between. I have found no need to hide them in the basement. Have a good dy Kadie. :)

my son & his wife were married 4 years this past October....i don't doubt that my DIL will keep those pictures out for many years to come......

panthera
01-02-2007, 06:48 PM
could be that these 3 photos had blood on them, but IMO, it seems a little odd to have 3 wedding photos in a bedroom....maybe it's not odd at all, but it seems just a bit strange to me....i can see having one on a dresser or something, but 3??.....
Perhaps the three photos are in frames which are hinged together? Just a thought ~ :)

j2mirish
01-02-2007, 08:45 PM
hmmmm, not sure about the wedding photos...haven't given much, if any, thoughts to them.....we didn't take photos of when me & hubby got married...(got married at the courthouse)....

could be that these 3 photos had blood on them, but IMO, it seems a little odd to have 3 wedding photos in a bedroom....maybe it's not odd at all, but it seems just a bit strange to me....i can see having one on a dresser or something, but 3??.....

ok....i stopped to call my oldest son...he's been married 4 yrs now, & they have one large hanging photo of them together on their wedding day, in the main room/living room....one smaller pic of him & his groomsmen & best man, & a smaller one of him & his wife kissing outside the mansion (where they got married).....he said there's only one wedding photo in the bedroom...

he (my son) said these wedding photos that LE took, could include a picture of the wedding party .... bridesmaids/groomsmen & all....could be that they took a photo like that to identify close friends to question?? I am with ya - married at the courthouse- have a few pics taken by some friends that surprised us, and showed up--good thought on the wedding party

j2mirish
01-02-2007, 08:49 PM
I just burst out laughing when I saw this thread. Wedding pictures on the wall? on the mantle? on the dresser? Try in a book carefully stored in the basements with other outdated photo albums ... in storage for that time when children want to see what it was all about. I'll have to read and learn to know where they would normally be placed.
otto--- I would agree with you....if I had any!!!!! have a few , mnad no disrespect to those that still have them in view"...just made me chuckle like you--- and I've been married 13 years-- maybe if only 4 or 6 it would make a difference--or just different folks--

j2mirish
01-02-2007, 08:53 PM
I've been married 17 years and I am quite proud of my wife, boys, and the photos from day one and all in between. I have found no need to hide them in the basement. Have a good dy Kadie. :)
I am very proud of my 13 years and 2 children too-
No one needs to hide anything- I think we are just talking about different thoughts, and no offense meant to anyone if they have wedding pics on the walls 25 r 50 years later---:blowkiss:

j2mirish
01-02-2007, 08:54 PM
Perhaps the three photos are in frames which are hinged together? Just a thought ~ :)
good thought !

Taximom
01-02-2007, 08:56 PM
Welcome, kadie!

Our youngest child likes to manhandle photos etc so ours are put away till she gets better at that. IF I had pictures out, there would be one on the chest by our bed, and maybe one on the bedroom wall. Definitely one on the living room wall too.

My sister-in-law has practically a throne in her bedroom of their wedding pictures. They went all out and got all sizes etc. So she has them all over their dresser, which has several tiers or shelves, and on their bedside dresser as well.

I should say "had". They just recently divorced. :waitasec:

I'm thinking the Youngs' pictures had blood or DNA on them of some type-maybe even fingerprints in blood. I hope they weren't used in a struggle.

scandi
01-02-2007, 09:14 PM
If JY did kill Michelle like I'm thinking he did, I have had this image in my head of him taking his hand and backslamming the pictures, breaking the glass. It was personal, the marriage was over, and it could be one reason LE suspected or knew right away it was not a random crime.

panthera
01-02-2007, 09:30 PM
good thought !Thanks and I only thought of that because, although you don't see that type everyday, I had given that to someone for their photos. And they put it on the top of their chest of drawers in the bedroom. :)

panthera
01-02-2007, 09:31 PM
If JY did kill Michelle like I'm thinking he did, I have had this image in my head of him taking his hand and backslamming the pictures, breaking the glass. It was personal, the marriage was over, and it could be one reason LE suspected or knew right away it was not a random crime.That would be a sure sign pointing right back at him! Could he have been that stupid? :banghead:

scandi
01-02-2007, 09:51 PM
In a fit of anger, yes, I could see him doing something like that. So far I haven't read anything clever that he {or the killer} did, and so I assume his ego is huuuuge and he thinks he can get away with anything. Example:
With all the smart and lovely sexy gals out there in his sales territory, why on
god's earth would he choose to bed a sorority sister of his wife's that was also married and the 2 couples close friends. Dumber than dumb IMHO Unless he did it to spite his wife and throw it in her face, which I doubt.

raisincharlie
01-02-2007, 09:56 PM
If JY did kill Michelle like I'm thinking he did, I have had this image in my head of him taking his hand and backslamming the pictures, breaking the glass. It was personal, the marriage was over, and it could be one reason LE suspected or knew right away it was not a random crime.
Actually - it would be good for LE if he did this and left some skin or blood on the frame(s). I am of the opinion there was something with the pictures other than blood spatter and use for identification.

j2mirish
01-02-2007, 10:08 PM
Actually - it would be good for LE if he did this and left some skin or blood on the frame(s). I am of the opinion there was something with the pictures other than blood spatter and use for identification.like what?

raisincharlie
01-02-2007, 10:11 PM
like what?
As in broken as Scandi suggests. Maybe not all three of them but I suspect at least one to have been broken. JMO

j2mirish
01-02-2007, 10:32 PM
As in broken as Scandi suggests. Maybe not all three of them but I suspect at least one to have been broken. JMO
oh- i was figuring broken and blood, dna- then you said even more, so i want sure where you were going-
thanks

raisincharlie
01-02-2007, 10:40 PM
oh- i was figuring broken and blood, dna- then you said even more, so i want sure where you were going-
thanks

All of the above. I'm hoping this is the case, either he did it himself or Michelle knocked him up side the head with it - I prefer the latter.

That's okay - most of the time I don't know where I am going either ! :D

j2mirish
01-02-2007, 10:42 PM
All of the above. I'm hoping this is the case, either he did it himself or Michelle knocked him up side the head with it - I prefer the latter.

That's okay - most of the time I don't know where I am going either ! :D
oh yes you do----- thats why i ask :)

jilly
01-02-2007, 11:17 PM
Example:
With all the smart and lovely sexy gals out there in his sales territory, why on
god's earth would he choose to bed a sorority sister of his wife's that was also married and the 2 couples close friends. Dumber than dumb IMHO Unless he did it to spite his wife and throw it in her face, which I doubt.

Well...maybe she was in his comfort zone and he'd always been attracted to her somehow. We've already heard that he was hanging out at the bar when Michelle met him and she had to drag him out onto the dance floor. I just don't see this guy as being some casanova.

raisincharlie
01-02-2007, 11:17 PM
oh yes you do----- thats why i ask :)

:blushing: Thanks j2mirish. I sure wish I had this one figured out, but I'd be much happier if the police do ! I think they do and in time, as tests come back, LE will soon apprehend the criminal !

Taximom
01-03-2007, 12:28 AM
Maybe she found out about the affair and crossed/cut out his face on the wedding pics. Even though I don't think she's the type that would do that and leave them out, especially for Cassidy to see.

Was MM in the wedding party?

Did the warrant state where the pictures were when they took them?

Taximom
01-03-2007, 12:29 AM
:) :) :) :blushing: Thanks j2mirish. I sure wish I had this one figured out, but I'd be much happier if the police do ! I think they do and in time, as tests come back, LE will soon apprehend the criminal !

mikesmom1989
01-03-2007, 12:46 AM
Actually - it would be good for LE if he did this and left some skin or blood on the frame(s). I am of the opinion there was something with the pictures other than blood spatter and use for identification.

i agree, it is strictly a gut feeling, but i definitely think it is probable that JY was in a rage & somehow those very personal photos play into this somehow, wish i knew exactly how but as i said earlier, it would speak volumes if those oh so personal wedding pictures were smashed/broken --- shades of SP with wedding photos in the trash ---
i also agree with you raisin that there will eventually be an arrest/ case will be solved, lets hope sooner rather than later.right now, id be willing to bet that LE knows who the murderer is and are perhaps as you said waiting on various testing so that all their i's are dotted & their t's crossed- God, i hope so...
JMO

raisincharlie
01-03-2007, 10:40 AM
Maybe she found out about the affair and crossed/cut out his face on the wedding pics. Even though I don't think she's the type that would do that and leave them out, especially for Cassidy to see.

Was MM in the wedding party?

Did the warrant state where the pictures were when they took them?
Taximom,

Hope you and your family have had a very good holiday season ! :)

The warrant published did not define the location of the pictures within the home. The final warrant inventory, which we have not seen would give a location for each as well as any notable aspect of each. From our brief survey the most common locations seem to be the bedroom and living room. Not sure we can draw any conclusions from that but...

I do not know or recall reading, if MM was in the wedding party. Perhaps someone else has heard that information and will pop in with an answer for you.

panthera
01-03-2007, 03:26 PM
i agree, it is strictly a gut feeling, but i definitely think it is probable that JY was in a rage & somehow those very personal photos play into this somehow, wish i knew exactly how but as i said earlier, it would speak volumes if those oh so personal wedding pictures were smashed/broken --- shades of SP with wedding photos in the trash ---
i also agree with you raisin that there will eventually be an arrest/ case will be solved, lets hope sooner rather than later.right now, id be willing to bet that LE knows who the murderer is and are perhaps as you said waiting on various testing so that all their i's are dotted & their t's crossed- God, i hope so...
JMOI'm just wondering ~ if ~ they got in an argument on the phone that night and Michelle was the one who may have broken them or trashed them? Maybe she'd just found out about his affair? Maybe she'd just told him "it's over"? Then he'd be stuck with child support for two children and drove back to the house and took care of the "situation"?

PolkSaladAnnie
01-03-2007, 04:00 PM
Thought I would start a thread in the same vein as Sami's thread about lamps. My wife and kids are off visiting with my wife's parents so I'm paying particular attention to pictures this eve. I've been driving everyone crazy on the board today so I need to be constructive. In the search warrant for 5108 Birchleaf Drive of 11/3/06, the inventory reflects collection of three wedding photos.

I am curious as to were everyone keeps their wedding photos, there is no point to this exercise other than to see where most people keep such photos. Perhaps you could also add your opinion as to why three photos were collected from the Young home.

Here are the locations where my wife has placed them in our home:

Bedroom dresser - 1
Family room - 2
Den - 1
Living Room - 1

Total of five, none of which are wall mounts.

I'm not saying why I think the Young wedding photos were taken, I'm much more interested in your opinions. Have fun!;)

Gosh charlie - just read this first post and no further - interesting!

3 of our wedding photos are mounted they're on the console in the entrance hall; there's another one in the living-room & ... we have one in our master bedroom - and "mini's" scattered in the den (here where I am, lol) but none on the walls!

Why were they taken? Hmmm ... a couple of guesses:

1. A Person? Maybe there's someone "of interest" in the background?
2. A Ring? Maybe Jason's wedding ring was clear in the photos - and he's no longer wearing it? Maybe it was found at the crime-scene - or at MM's house?
3. Some Jewellry? Maybe a necklace MY was wearing was found at MM's house? (Gosh, this is SOOOOO Scott Peterson-ish that I'm forgetting case histories, lol!!!)
4. An Image? Maybe JY deep-etched a pic of himself and put it on some website or ... whateva??

OK - that's my bundle for now. Going to read the rest of this thread to see what others have suggested. If any of the above have been mentioned - truly, I have not read the thread, lol :)

PolkSaladAnnie
01-03-2007, 04:09 PM
Perhaps the three photos are in frames which are hinged together? Just a thought ~ :)

Hi panthera! That's a good thought - and also the poster that suggested the phot broke in a rage... could glass shards have been part of the murder? We KNOW not all details are ever released in these cases.... on top of blunt force is it possible to wager that stabbing and/or strangulation were additional injuries?

Close: great son you have there, lol.

Kadie: hi and welcome :)

Mike'smom - hello and as charlie says - great to have you posting...

.... continuing to catch up, guys .... :cool:

PolkSaladAnnie
01-03-2007, 04:14 PM
In a fit of anger, yes, I could see him doing something like that. So far I haven't read anything clever that he {or the killer} did, and so I assume his ego is huuuuge and he thinks he can get away with anything. Example:
With all the smart and lovely sexy gals out there in his sales territory, why on
god's earth would he choose to bed a sorority sister of his wife's that was also married and the 2 couples close friends. Dumber than dumb IMHO Unless he did it to spite his wife and throw it in her face, which I doubt.

Hi scandi .... (I like your thoughts - as made bold, above. Agree totally!).

Ho hum, here's my confession :blushing:

As my first marriage came to an end in late '89 I remember being hurt and angry enough at my ex to take our engagement pic and toss it on the floor - adding that "it was all a farce" - of course it shattered and the glass bits ruined the pic - so - I can see the unity of love being smashed in anger. If .... that's what happened.

raisincharlie
01-03-2007, 04:19 PM
PSA,


I like the idea about the jewelry - they could cross refrence the photo's, both wedding and others, to jewelry found in the home to ascertain if anything obvious was taken - very good thought !

panthera
01-03-2007, 04:33 PM
PSA,


I like the idea about the jewelry - they could cross refrence the photo's, both wedding and others, to jewelry found in the home to ascertain if anything obvious was taken - very good thought !I've read differing accounts of whether or not anything was taken from the house. Does anyone here know if anything of value was missing, or was their just the appearance that a burglary had taken place, i.e. staged?

PolkSaladAnnie
01-03-2007, 04:35 PM
PSA,


I like the idea about the jewelry - they could cross refrence the photo's, both wedding and others, to jewelry found in the home to ascertain if anything obvious was taken - very good thought !

Thanks charlie - you inspired our thoughts, lol ... Now IF ... if ... jewellry comes into this - then the similarities to Laci's tragic case grow to cosmic levels: it's no longer coincidence - this will all be just too uncanny for WORDS .... because I *hate* to mention this, but what about pearl or ... DIAMOND EARRINGS?

Off the bat? Perhaps blood spatter is the real reason: if not - then we have to scutinize the detail or .. details in the pics. I'm trying to tie in what we KNOW as opposed to wondering, lol. For instance - was there a car in the pics that warranted LE taking license number plates at MY's funeral?

Oh lord, we can wonder about everything, lol.

What do YOU think?

scandi
01-03-2007, 04:37 PM
Hi Annie Great to have you back and we all missed you. Hope your trip was enjoyable and successful. I would love to spend Christmas in England some year just to hear their wonderful music.

Reading Nona's thread this morning, I learned it took 3 mos for police to arrest the boyfriend, and they had a bloody palm print and fingerprints of his on the murder weapon! We have to be patient. Scandi

PolkSaladAnnie
01-03-2007, 04:45 PM
Hi Annie Great to have you back and we all missed you. Hope your trip was enjoyable and successful. I would love to spend Christmas in England some year just to hear their wonderful music.

Reading Nona's thread this morning, I learned it took 3 mos for police to arrest the boyfriend, and they had a bloody palm print and fingerprints of his on the murder weapon! We have to be patient. Scandi

New Year hugs to you, scandi, dear. What a treasure you are to Websleuths - yes it was great: even managed to grab a cone of roasted chestnuts!!! What a DEE-light that was. Everything was so very Christmassy indeed - and I can't remember when I last saw misty breath and felt literally "bundled" up in warm clothes. I found some trendy stretch woollen lace 'thumb gloves' (er, my terminology, lol)! Heh, they look like arm-socks .... but free your fingers and the knitting is stitched to also free your thumb.

Wore those under black suede wrist gloves. Loveed the newness of an old fashion, I s'pose. It's been years since I was in true Northern Hemipshere cold climes.... Oh, and I can thank the Good Lord that I left right before the fog rolled in and virtually closed Heathrow's outward bound flights ...

Lord ... OF COURSE ... I indeed recall Nona Dirksmeyer's case and felt the b/f was guilty from day one. OK - swallowing those (bitter) Patience Pills, lol...

Blessings and wishes your way, too, scands :)

otto
01-04-2007, 05:03 AM
[QUOTE=raisincharlie]Glad you got a chuckle out of it. :clap: I've been married 17 years and I am quite proud of my wife, boys, and the photos from day one and all in between. I have found no need to hide them in the basement.QUOTE]

I think I go for artistic, more than situational, photos for display Wedding photos can be artistic, but typically they're classic; not creative. The photos are not really hidden, just safely stored and not first choice for display.

otto
01-04-2007, 05:10 AM
New Year hugs to you, scandi, dear. What a treasure you are to Websleuths - yes it was great: even managed to grab a cone of roasted chestnuts!!! What a DEE-light that was. Everything was so very Christmassy indeed - and I can't remember when I last saw misty breath and felt literally "bundled" up in warm clothes. I found some trendy stretch woollen lace 'thumb gloves' (er, my terminology, lol)! Heh, they look like arm-socks .... but free your fingers and the knitting is stitched to also free your thumb.

Wore those under black suede wrist gloves. Loveed the newness of an old fashion, I s'pose. It's been years since I was in true Northern Hemipshere cold climes.... Oh, and I can thank the Good Lord that I left right before the fog rolled in and virtually closed Heathrow's outward bound flights ...

Lord ... OF COURSE ... I indeed recall Nona Dirksmeyer's case and felt the b/f was guilty from day one. OK - swallowing those (bitter) Patience Pills, lol...

Blessings and wishes your way, too, scands :)

Arm socks ... like it. Hoodies have sleeve cuffs with thumb holes ... fashion is such geographical experience. So perhaps someone would put on the socks, slip the hand through the sleeve and put on the gloves, or would the gloves go under the sleeve cuff? My daughter has been buying up furs ... she'd love the gloves ... and maybe a smoking stick ... visions of Cruella.

Who is Nona Dirksmeyer?

strach304
01-04-2007, 07:22 AM
Otto, she was a 19 year old college student murdered by her boyfriend. We have a thread for her in the crimes in the news section that has been recently updated so should be on the first page. Interestingly enough a floor lamp is involved as the murder weapon. Her neck was badly cut up by the cord when he strangled her and described as a very messy crime scene wherein she was beat with the lamp as well. Motive was because she broke up with him.

mikesmom1989
01-04-2007, 09:04 AM
I'm just wondering ~ if ~ they got in an argument on the phone that night and Michelle was the one who may have broken them or trashed them? Maybe she'd just found out about his affair? Maybe she'd just told him "it's over"? Then he'd be stuck with child support for two children and drove back to the house and took care of the "situation"?
hmmmm.... very possible,panthera --- the situation with the pics is very curious indeed.... by the way, i just caught the tail end of an update on the ellen robb murder on foxnews and they had someone on (didnt catch who) but his words were very interesting and in fact chilling. he said that when 1 is murdered in this way ---- horrific beating, especially about the face/head area ---- it is a way to depersonalize the victim,a warped effort to wipe the victims face from the earth. i didnt catch who was speaking, i dont know if it was perhaps a mental health related expert, but my 1st thought was MY being so personally, vicously bludgeoned.

raisincharlie
01-04-2007, 10:32 AM
[QUOTE=raisincharlie]Glad you got a chuckle out of it. :clap: I've been married 17 years and I am quite proud of my wife, boys, and the photos from day one and all in between. I have found no need to hide them in the basement.QUOTE]

I think I go for artistic, more than situational, photos for display Wedding photos can be artistic, but typically they're classic; not creative. The photos are not really hidden, just safely stored and not first choice for display.Otto,

It is not lost on me that you have some obvious problem with me. My recommendation - take it to PM so the other posters on this board don't have to put up with it. They don't deserve it.

Better yet - please place me on ignore.

otto
01-04-2007, 04:05 PM
Otto,

It is not lost on me that you have some obvious problem with me. My recommendation - take it to PM so the other posters on this board don't have to put up with it. They don't deserve it.

Better yet - please place me on ignore.

Gee I'm sorry. You've completely lost me. Wow. Okay ... don't know what to say here.

ETA: All I can say is that I've always enjoyed reading your posts and I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.

raisincharlie
01-07-2007, 12:19 PM
I have noted that most of you who have wedding photos seem to have one in the bedroom.


Do any of you have an answering machine in your bedroom as well ? Curious only. In this case, the search warrant for 5108 Birchleaf also identifies an answering machine collected from the bedroom. Only reason I am asking.

close_enough
01-07-2007, 12:48 PM
no answering machine in the bedroom here....

raisincharlie
01-07-2007, 12:49 PM
no answering machine in the bedroom here....
me neither - you feeling better today ?

FactsareFacts
01-07-2007, 12:51 PM
I have noted that most of you who have wedding photos seem to have one in the bedroom.


Do any of you have an answering machine in your bedroom as well ? Curious only. In this case, the search warrant for 5108 Birchleaf also identifies an answering machine collected from the bedroom. Only reason I am asking.

HHHHMMMM no answering machine here at all not for years we have an call answer on the telephone you just hit the code and hear the messages.

close_enough
01-07-2007, 01:02 PM
me neither - you feeling better today ?

no, i'm not....the Dr said, when he called the antibiotic in, if i wasn't feeling any better after a couple of days, to come in & see him...looks like i may have to do that...i'm going to give it till tomorrow, & if i still feel like this, i'm heading to his office on Tuesday.....this stuff is rough, man.......thanks

raisincharlie
01-07-2007, 01:07 PM
no, i'm not....the Dr said, when he called the antibiotic in, if i wasn't feeling any better after a couple of days, to come in & see him...looks like i may have to do that...i'm going to give it till tomorrow, & if i still feel like this, i'm heading to his office on Tuesday.....this stuff is rough, man.......thanks
Sorry Close - stay warm and hydrated - hopefully the antibiotics will kick in today. Lots of chicken soup for you !

jilly
01-07-2007, 01:55 PM
No answering machines in my house aymore but when we did have one it was in the kitchen.

Oceanbreeze
01-10-2007, 03:17 PM
I'm just starting to catch up here.
The only wedding pictures we have out are on the wall before you walk into the bathroom. The frame is in the shape of a wedding bell and there's about 4 or 5 round holes where the pictures go. Also on it is a gold plaque with our names and date. Otherwise I wouldn't have any out anywhere.

My answering machine is in the bedroom.

nanandjim
01-10-2007, 07:49 PM
No wedding photos out in our home. I didn't have any wedding photos displayed of my first marriage either; and it was a beautiful wedding at the U.S. Naval Academy Chapel. Oh well...I guess that I'm not very romantic. ;)

panthera
01-10-2007, 08:00 PM
I have noted that most of you who have wedding photos seem to have one in the bedroom.


Do any of you have an answering machine in your bedroom as well ? Curious only. In this case, the search warrant for 5108 Birchleaf also identifies an answering machine collected from the bedroom. Only reason I am asking.No, it's in the kitchen area here ~ just have the cell phone in the bedroom at night. :)

Taximom
01-11-2007, 03:29 AM
We used to keep our answering machine in our bedroom when the children were smaller and more into pushing buttons, especially "delete". :innocent: Now it's on the wall in the kitchen.

sissy's mom
01-11-2007, 03:40 AM
Answering machine is on the wall in the kitchen.
Wedding photos are
1. on the wall
2. in an album

PolkSaladAnnie
01-14-2007, 05:06 AM
I have noted that most of you who have wedding photos seem to have one in the bedroom.


Do any of you have an answering machine in your bedroom as well ? Curious only. In this case, the search warrant for 5108 Birchleaf also identifies an answering machine collected from the bedroom. Only reason I am asking.

Yes, charlie - photo in the main bedroom and our answering machine is in 'here' - the den right outside the main room. I must say: I'd go crazy with an ans machine in our room (not that we often get calls late at night - but the reason for the ans machine (if we're not home) is also because we wouldn't want to be disturbed.) Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks, I guess...

.... if there was an emergency, touch wood, close family and friends could call our private mobile phone - always left on in the charger, lol!