Michelle Young: Pregnant Mom murdered NC part 9

[Samiya]

Here's the link to the N&O report "Blood reported in husband's SUV"

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/529376.html

1 It's also been confirmed in this report that Jason's attorney requested it's return.
2 Smith picked up the SUV on Thursday.
3 They're also using the term 'droplet'.
4 Stated that Cassidy's footprints were found 'thoughout' the house
5 Donnie still wants Jason to talk with investigators
6 "Some sort of relationship" with a woman in Florida.
7 They're still interviewing people and following leads.
8 "Does not mean that the dept is any closer to making an arrest or naming a suspect." states Phyllis Stephens, WCSO spokeswoman.

Sami

I think this is the one that gives the most info :)

[otto]

Reposting this response from the tail end of 8 (thanks Sami) and as promised:



... Each killer had something he wanted to accomplish above and beyond the actual killing. With Robb it was wiping out her identity. He left her virtually with no face. He despised or really hated her I think. With Michelle's murder, he wanted to wipe out the control her brain had on him. So smart, decicive in details and most likely very logical but pointed in her thoughts, he wanted to especially kill that part of who she was. With both men, this is what was the main threat to their own future wellbeing. And that is why they each killed the way they did.

Just thinkin' away! LOL



Scandi, you raise a point similar to (or remind me of) a few days ago. I don't know if you saw my post, but the thread closed and I had to run ... but what I wrote about was what I thought about the relationships between Michelle and Jason, Michelle and her father, Jason and his father, and Jason and his stepfather.

I suspect that Michelle's natural father was abusive and this is supported by Michelle, Meredith (her myspace) and Linda Fisher's reluctance to associate with him. If this is true, Michelle would have made a point of trying to avoid men like that, although it would have been in her nature to gravitate towards those types of men. I think that women are attracted towards men with similar characteristics as fathers, boyfriends, husbands; even if they are sometimes domineering - they can't help but be attracted to the confident, golden-boy, facade that is the double-edged sword.

It is also possible that Jason's father was domineering. I'm speculating on this because his stepfather has clearly been telling Jason what to do and what not to do. In fact, he has taken charge of Jason regarding getting a lawyer and even with the media, to some degree. He probably told Jason to come home until it all blows over and Jason listened. I think you asked whether he might be in law enforcement. I think at the very least he is a vietnam war vet and prone to giving direction to people. I also think Jason's natural father could be equally domineering if he were in the picture.

I think it's possible that both Michelle and Jason wanted to avoid domineering or abusive people and had probably discussed the presence of those personality types in their families. However, I also think that they were both a little prone to interacting with domineering personalities in ways that may have been both exciting and unhealthy - and I'm completely speculating here. I wonder if they both wanted to get away from people like that and found each other, but had unfortunately absorbed some of the personality traits common in abusive or domineering people.

If I recall, Michelle was instantly attracted to Jason in the bar ... she was the centre of the party and he was the wall flower. Jason was withdrawn, Michelle was outgoing ... but both personality traits were probably coping mechanisms for a social imbalance that they felt in their childhoods. Much as they wanted to avoid domineering people, they would have been drawn to each other. A certain competitiveness would have seeped into their lives in terms of academic credentials, financial superiority, ability to manage it all, day to day conversation with jokes being both jokes and put-downs ... funny put-downs but not really funny. I think that they were attracted to the dangerous part of each other but believed they could control it, or perhaps control it in each other.

I can see that this combination would have worked on the facade - that golden boy/golden life/golden future would have been very attractive to everyone (including friends of Michelle that sought to boost their own self-esteem by seducing her husband). I also suspect that beneath the facade there was a lot of tension because it appears that Michelle was able to manage it all, was more financially (career) stable and definitely had the "made for success" academic credentials.

Michelle, like Jason, was very bright and she would have sensed a marital problem in August, just prior to his fling with her sorority sister. Michelle's pregnancy may have been related to a sense that Jason was straying (just speculating) because the timing was right.

I can see that Jason would have had tension building for a long time; probably since the time Michelle became pregnant, he changed jobs, he had the fling/affair, and was he faced with the prospect of supporting his family without Michelle's income (up against the wall). I also think that he was afraid of any jokes or redicule that would have resulted from him floundering. I think he would have lost face if he couldn't pull it off.

Okay, that's a little more long winded than the first time I wrote it, but the gist is there ... obliterating one's partner due to a fear of one's own failure being reflected by the partner.

In my opinion, Scott Peterson suffered from this problem (his business was failing with a baby on the way), Mark Hacking had the same problem (about to be revealed as an academic fraud and a baby on the way) ... and I haven't followed enough cases to really make more connections but I bet you can name a few more. Maybe that's all it comes down to with men that murder their pregnant wives ... just a really big fear of failure and loss of "golden boy status" in the eyes of their friends, family, and lover - who have put them on a pedestal they never felt they deserved.

[Samiya]

Hi Otto,

Also figuring in there somewhere is the husband's loss of 'wife's number one male' status to a son. I'm not sure what Mark Hacking's baby was, but Laci's was a boy. Heaven forbid the 'husband' should come 'second best' to another 'male' in his wifes life :( It happens alot, just not every man kills over it, they just tend to be broody and jealous.

Sami

[otto]

Hi Otto,

Also figuring in there somewhere is the husband's loss of 'wife's number one male' status to a son. I'm not sure what Mark Hacking's baby was, but Laci's was a boy. Heaven forbid the 'husband' should come 'second best' to another 'male' in his wifes life :( It happens alot, just not every man kills over it, they just tend to be broody and jealous.

Sami

Hey and I would tend to agree. Men can become both territorial and threatening at the same time, over a son. I don't see it just as jealousy, but maybe Shakespeare had it right with Romeo: either us together, or us dead - no middle ground. I suppose that men sometimes think they can impose an "all or nothing" on women where "home safe" isn't very big.

Kudos to the son that makes it!

[poco]

Per the above article ---

Johnson testified to a magistrate that there appeared to be a blood droplet on the seat behind the driver's seat and a dark spot consistent with a blood droplet on the exterior of the driver's side door.

Interesting to see if that is blood and, especially, whose blood. Did Cassidy ride in the SUV BEFORE she was wiped clean of her mother's blood - maybe she transferred the blood to the back seat.

OR, possibly, maybe that is where JY placed the murder weapon.

In any event, "here we go again with the tiny droplets of blood".

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/09/15/BAG0L8P4VT1.DTL
Some of that blood was found on the door of Peterson's truck, while four spots were barely visible on the couple's comforter cover. Kyo said during cross examination that the spots on the comforter were only5 millimeters across, and that she could not tell how old they were.

[Samiya]

Per the above article ---

Johnson testified to a magistrate that there appeared to be a blood droplet on the seat behind the driver's seat and a dark spot consistent with a blood droplet on the exterior of the driver's side door.

Interesting to see if that is blood and, especially, whose blood. Did Cassidy ride in the SUV BEFORE she was wiped clean of her mother's blood - maybe she transferred the blood to the back seat.

OR, possibly, maybe that is where JY placed the murder weapon.

In any event, "here we go again with the tiny droplets of blood".

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/09/15/BAG0L8P4VT1.DTL
Some of that blood was found on the door of Peterson's truck, while four spots were barely visible on the couple's comforter cover. Kyo said during cross examination that the spots on the comforter were only5 millimeters across, and that she could not tell how old they were.I would agree with Raisin that Cassidy would've been checked out medically. After any evidence, if any, was taken from her person, she would've been bathed immediately after.......before Jason arrived back to collect her. :)

Sami

[oceanblueeyes]

Here's the link to the N&O report "Blood reported in husband's SUV"

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/529376.html

1 It's also been confirmed in this report that Jason's attorney requested it's return.
2 Smith picked up the SUV on Thursday.
3 They're also using the term 'droplet'.
4 Stated that Cassidy's footprints were found 'thoughout' the house
5 Donnie still wants Jason to talk with investigators
6 "Some sort of relationship" with a woman in Florida.
7 They're still interviewing people and following leads.
8 "Does not mean that the dept is any closer to making an arrest or naming a suspect." states Phyllis Stephens, WCSO spokeswoman.

Sami

I think this is the one that gives the most info :)

Good Morning Sami.

The part of the list I find intriguing is that JYs lawyer asked for the SUV to be returned. Imo, either he had gotten reports that the "blood" wasn't blood at all or he fully believes Jason when he probably told him there was nothing in the SUV to find.

I am convinced if the SUV had any evidence found in/on it that is pertaining to this case JYs lawyer could have requested its return until the cows come home and it would never be granted.

You also bring up a good point in another post about male territorial dominance and men not wanting a male child. Personally, I find that so puzzling because over the years I have often seen fathers who seemed disappointed they weren't having a son but a daughter instead. In fact at times it has bothered me greatly that some fathers dont seem to be that excited if they are having a girl baby but are if they are having a male. Of course once they are born and the child ages, men tend to be closer to their female children and a mother closer to their sons imo.

IMO

Ocean

[concernedperson]

Here's the link to the N&O report "Blood reported in husband's SUV"

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/529376.html

1 It's also been confirmed in this report that Jason's attorney requested it's return.
2 Smith picked up the SUV on Thursday.
3 They're also using the term 'droplet'.
4 Stated that Cassidy's footprints were found 'thoughout' the house
5 Donnie still wants Jason to talk with investigators
6 "Some sort of relationship" with a woman in Florida.
7 They're still interviewing people and following leads.
8 "Does not mean that the dept is any closer to making an arrest or naming a suspect." states Phyllis Stephens, WCSO spokeswoman.

Sami

I think this is the one that gives the most info :)

From the article, "The home is registered to Michelle's mother, Linda Fisher. Fisher declined to comment Friday night."

Is this a typo...home or should it be vehicle? In any case it is interesting that it is in Linda Fishers name

[oceanblueeyes]

From the article, "The home is registered to Michelle's mother, Linda Fisher. Fisher declined to comment Friday night."

Is this a typo...home or should it be vehicle? In any case it is interesting that it is in Linda Fishers name

Hi Sweet Lady!

From what I understand the vehicle was picked up at Merideth's residence. I guess Jason had returned to pick Cassidy up. The home where she lives is owned by LF.

IMO

Ocean

[concernedperson]

Hi Sweet Lady!

From what I understand the vehicle was picked up at Merideth's residence. I guess Jason had returned to pick Cassidy up. The home where she lives is owned by LF.

IMO

Ocean

Gotcha! Must have missed this early on. Thanks for the clarification.

[raisincharlie]

From the article, "The home is registered to Michelle's mother, Linda Fisher. Fisher declined to comment Friday night."

Is this a typo...home or should it be vehicle? In any case it is interesting that it is in Linda Fishers name
It's not a typo Close - the house where Meredith lives is titled to Linda Fisher.

I will suggest that the detention and ultimate impounding of JY's vehicle at this location is the begining point for the rift between the two families. Cassidy would have been with Meredith, the fact that JYs vehicle was at Meredith's house when impounded suggests he came there to get Cassidy. LE knew he was returning to Raleigh that evening, more than likely they were present when he arrived. I suspect he was not a happy camper over it, it had been a long day (the warrant suggests the vehicle was detained upon arrival after midnight and impounded about 4 am)...and we know pop was definitely not the least bit happy. JMO.

[Samiya]

It's not a typo Close - the house where Meredith lives is titled to Linda Fisher.

I will suggest that the detention and ultimate impounding of JY's vehicle at this location is the begining point for the rift between the two families. Cassidy would have been with Meredith, the fact that JYs vehicle was at Meredith's house when impounded suggests he came there to get Cassidy. LE knew he was returning to Raleigh that evening, more than likely they were present when he arrived. I suspect he was not a happy camper over it, it had been a long day (the warrant suggests the vehicle was detained upon arrival after midnight and impounded about 4 am)...and we know pop was definitely not the least bit happy. JMO.This might seem silly, but I do wonder if Jason expected to be able to just pick up Cassidy and 'blow the joint'. Bet he was stunned to find that that wasn't going to happen in a hurry.

lol, jmo

Sami

[raisincharlie]

This might seem silly, but I do wonder if Jason expected to be able to just pick up Cassidy and 'blow the joint'. Bet he was stunned to find that that wasn't going to happen in a hurry.

lol, jmo

SamiSami,

I don't think Jason expected to see LE waiting for him - if he had he would have unloaded that SUV before he ever got to Meredith's house IMO. From the N & O article you posted - very near the bottom it says this is the only contact he has had with LE.

I failed to respond to your information about the Hampton Inn confirmation. I did go back and look at the 5108 Birchleaf warrant. The hotel confirmation is dated 9/5 - 9/8. The hotel receipt found in the SUV for the Hampton does not list a date so I am not sure there is a correlation between the two. I'm not even sure it relates to the nite of 11/2, probable but without a date - just not sure. ETA wouldn't it be a kick if this receipt had a check in date before 11/2?

However I go back to the supposed time frame when MM and he met up - which was supposedly in September...hmmm.:crazy:


ETA - I also noted in this warrant that the two phones found were both Samsung units with different service providers but the phones were the same color and description. I finally believe they both belong to JY.

[Samiya]

Sami,

I don't think Jason expected to see LE waiting for him - if he had he would have unloaded that SUV before he ever got to Meredith's house IMO. From the N & O article you posted - very near the bottom it says this is the only contact he has had with LE.

I failed to respond to your information about the Hampton Inn confirmation. I did go back and look at the 5108 Birchleaf warrant. The hotel confirmation is dated 9/5 - 9/8. The hotel receipt found in the SUV for the Hampton does not list a date so I am not sure there is a correlation between the two. I'm not even sure it relates to the nite of 11/2, probable but without a date - just not sure. ETA wouldn't it be a kick if this receipt had a check in date before 11/2?

However I go back to the supposed time frame when MM and he met up - which was supposedly in September...hmmm.:crazy:


ETA - I also noted in this warrant that the two phones found were both Samsung units with different service providers but the phones were the same color and description. I finally believe they both belong to JY.lol, now how did I miss that.....

Must be all my late nights http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/crazy1.gif some day I am going to go to bed well before 4am. It's only just after 2am.

Need coffee.

Sami

[raisincharlie]

In the spirit of fairness, I am posting the following link. This link was found and posted by Listening Post over at CTV. I have not pulled anything over except this link as CTV TOS prohibits pulling posts to another forum, I have doubts they can prohibit the posting of the link however.

http://www.timesnews.net/article.php?id=3691596

This article provides a potential reason for why JY may indeed have been in Duffield VA for a meeting at some time after 25 October 2006. This link in no way confirms a meeting on 11/3 - it only suggests a possibility for why JY may have gone to Duffield. I also noted Scout concluded the Get it Market, gas purchase 11/3, could have been the one located in Duffield. So to be fair, have at it.

[5bigfish5]

It seems to me that JY spent a fair amount of time with MF, whether he planned on it or not, when he went to pick up C. I hope MF took good notes, I imagine they talked about more than the weather.

[close_enough]

5bigfish5
Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 17

Nothing really new on the 11 o'clock news.


WTVD showed the footage from the funeral again. The guy between the cameraman and JY was blurred out, does anyone remember it being like that before? I don't. I know I have seen that same footage 10-15 times.

Why would he be blurred out now? Wonder who it is.

TIA.

**********************

i'm guessing that the guy got tired of everyone maybe thinking he was JY....lol, i know the first couple of times i saw the footage, it was hard to see JY due to this guy being in front (over to the side) of JY.....

i think we're talking about the same funeral footage.....kinda nice lookin guy w/sunglasses on....

[close_enough]

In the spirit of fairness, I am posting the following link. This link was found and posted by Listening Post over at CTV. I have not pulled anything over except this link as CTV TOS prohibits pulling posts to another forum, I have doubts they can prohibit the posting of the link however.

http://www.timesnews.net/article.php?id=3691596

This article provides a potential reason for why JY may indeed have been in Duffield VA for a meeting at some time after 25 October 2006. This link in no way confirms a meeting on 11/3 - it only suggests a possibility for why JY may have gone to Duffield. I also noted Scout concluded the Get it Market, gas purchase 11/3, could have been the one located in Duffield. So to be fair, have at it.

interesting......seems Scout & LP are on the right 'trail'....very possible

[raisincharlie]

interesting......seems Scout & LP are on the right 'trail'....very possible
I agree, as you know Scout is very astute, and it is obvious that LP did a great deal of searching to refine this. I would not be surprised if this location turns out to be correct. Duffield is a bit off the beaten track with respect to major highways - the odds for this new venture and a Get it Market in the same area tends to strongly suggest this as a possible location for a meeting and the client he possibly met with.

This is a good distance from Raleigh - 320 miles roughly. It is also within 3 hours maximum from Duffield to Brevard. Closer (no pun intended!) than Raleigh but I'm still not sure it is a matter of convenience to go to Brevard considering that weekend was homecoming for NCSU and there was the "big game" on Saturday. For some reason I go back to the thought I had a long time ago - JY left Raleigh well before the friend(s) arrived, maybe even possibly before MY got home from work...JMO

[close_enough]

I agree, as you know Scout is very astute, and it is obvious that LP did a great deal of searching to refine this. I would not be surprised if this location turns out to be correct. Duffield is a bit off the beaten track with respect to major highways - the odds for this new venture and a Get it Market in the same area tends to strongly suggest this as a possible location for a meeting and the client he possibly met with.

This is a good distance from Raleigh - 320 miles roughly. It is also within 3 hours maximum from Duffield to Brevard. Closer (no pun intended!) than Raleigh but I'm still not sure it is a matter of convenience to go to Brevard considering that weekend was homecoming for NCSU and there was the "big game" on Saturday. For some reason I go back to the thought I had a long time ago - JY left Raleigh well before the friend(s) arrived, maybe even possibly before MY got home from work...JMO

well, i just don't know what to think RC.....i keep going back to the rumor/statement from an 'insider' of an 11 pm phone call....i keep going back to the rumor from a neighbor about a delivery person seeing JY's vehicle, when it should have been on the road elsewhere......i just don't think a hitman was involved....there's something that's got LE stumped, imo....(about the timeline/business meeting)...thinking

[close_enough]

RC......we have no idea, apparently, when JY left the house on 11/2......i'm starting to really wonder if the friend (that watched Grey's A with Michelle) actually saw JY leave that night.....you have me really wondering now if he just didn't pick up & leave before MY got home from work....this is nowhere NEAR what i first speculated though.......heck, i guess he could have left for the meeting like 3 or 4 pm on that Thursday....checked in wherever, headed back to the house......maybe he DID call MY at 11 pm, while on his way BACK to the house, but claims he was just checking on her??....seems that LE could track that phone call though & know where he was ..???....i tend to think there WAS an 11 pm phone call...why mention it to the friend at the funeral if there wasn't....i think it was part of the alibi....

still thinking here...

[close_enough]

Here's the link to the N&O report "Blood reported in husband's SUV"

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/529376.html

1 It's also been confirmed in this report that Jason's attorney requested it's return.
2 Smith picked up the SUV on Thursday.
3 They're also using the term 'droplet'.
4 Stated that Cassidy's footprints were found 'thoughout' the house
5 Donnie still wants Jason to talk with investigators
6 "Some sort of relationship" with a woman in Florida.
7 They're still interviewing people and following leads.
8 "Does not mean that the dept is any closer to making an arrest or naming a suspect." states Phyllis Stephens, WCSO spokeswoman.

Sami

I think this is the one that gives the most info :)

ok, if this blood was a "droplet" i have to say i don't think it was Michelle's blood....i can't see JY getting back into his vehicle with Michelle's blood dripping off him.....

[close_enough]

as far as the business meeting goes, i DO think it was an early morning meeting....that's what JY told the friend at the funeral.....Scandi, i think you're right....i'll guess that the 'meeting' was at 9 am or before....

Jason Young has said he slipped out that evening to get a head start for an early morning sales meeting in Virginia, according to Fussell, who said he talked to Jason Young at his wife's funeral.

http://www.newsobserver.com/141/story/511581.html

[raisincharlie]

well, i just don't know what to think RC.....i keep going back to the rumor/statement from an 'insider' of an 11 pm phone call....i keep going back to the rumor from a neighbor about a delivery person seeing JY's vehicle, when it should have been on the road elsewhere......i just don't think a hitman was involved....there's something that's got LE stumped, imo....(about the timeline/business meeting)...thinkingLooking at the data we have, on face value, the gas receipts tend to support that JY filled up in Raleigh and headed to Duffield where he re-filled the gas tank. It is not beyond the realm of possibility there were other gas purchases with cash and no receipts involved. What is missing in the search warrant is the location of the hotel. Also, no receipts for meals - the guy does not eat and apparently did not take a client out for lunch. I do not think JY drove all the way to Duffield on 11/2.

I don't think this because the truth is we do not know for sure when he left Raleigh. Example - if the friend(s) saw JY at 8 pm and he left then - he could not have made it to Duffield before the rumored 11 pm call. He would theoretically be within striking distance. The hotel receipt is for 11/2 - is this an 11/2 check in or check out ? My experience with hotels are both dates are present on the receipt. I'll assume it is the check in date - if he left at 8 pm for instance, stopped and bought gas and then accounting for the time to check in - the max drive time is slightly over 2 hours if he did call at 11 pm. The latest he could have checked in would have been 11:59 on 11/2 - or max of 3 hours away - plenty of time to return to a hotel 2 to 3 hours away pick up a receipt and head on to Duffield IMO.

If JY wanted one to think he was in Duffield - he could have drove there Thursday during the day - checked in probably after 2pm (most hotels will not let you check in before 2) and left to come back. There would be sufficient time IMO. If there was an 11 pm call - LE will know it and where it came from. All we have is rumor about that call, he could have well been sitting near the neighborhood waiting for company to leave - there are only 2 ways in and out - knowing what company was there, he would know how they would exit the development IMO. For all we know - the fill up at Han-Dee Hugos could have been a result of coming back to Raleigh - rather than in preparation of leaving. Just wandering around here...:cool:

[close_enough]

ok.....the article also states that Fussel said JY told him that he left in the "evening".....gosh, seems i'm starting all over fresh with this thing....probably a good thing though...everything has gotten so twisted with all the speculation....we NEED more info!!!!!!!

http://www.newsobserver.com/141/story/511581.html

again.....

Jason Young has said he slipped out that evening to get a head start for an early morning sales meeting in Virginia, according to Fussell, who said he talked to Jason Young at his wife's funeral.

[close_enough]

Looking at the data we have, on face value, the gas receipts tend to support that JY filled up in Raleigh and headed to Duffield where he re-filled the gas tank. It is not beyond the realm of possibility there were other gas purchases with cash and no receipts involved. What is missing in the search warrant is the location of the hotel. Also, no receipts for meals - the guy does not eat and apparently did not take a client out for lunch. I do not think JY drove all the way to Duffield on 11/2.

I don't think this because the truth is we do not know for sure when he left Raleigh. Example - if the friend(s) saw JY at 8 pm and he left then - he could not have made it to Duffield before the rumored 11 pm call. He would theoretically be within striking distance. The hotel receipt is for 11/2 - is this an 11/2 check in or check out ? My experience with hotels are both dates are present on the receipt. I'll assume it is the check in date - if he left at 8 pm for instance, stopped and bought gas and then accounting for the time to check in - the max drive time is slightly over 2 hours if he did call at 11 pm. The latest he could have checked in would have been 11:59 on 11/2 - or max of 3 hours away - plenty of time to return to a hotel 2 to 3 hours away pick up a receipt and head on to Duffield IMO.

If JY wanted one to think he was in Duffield - he could have drove there Thursday during the day - checked in probably after 2pm (most hotels will not let you check in before 2) and left to come back. There would be sufficient time IMO. If there was an 11 pm call - LE will know it and where it came from. All we have is rumor about that call, he could have well been sitting near the neighborhood waiting for compaqny to leave - there are only 2 ways in and out - knowing what company was there, he would know how they would exit the development IMO. For all we know - the fill up at Han-Dee Hugos could have been a result of coming back to Raleigh - rather than in preparation of leaving. Just wandering around here...:cool:

yeeeees....i completely agree with this...i don't think JY drove all the way to Duffield on 11/2 either.....

exactly...we don't know what time he made ANY of these gas purchases....he could have filled up the tank in Raleigh at any time on 11/2....i also assume the check in date is on that receipt....i still think he didn't technically check out....not sure why i think this, but i do....i see him as checking in, but not checking out (in person)......i think he checked in for one night & simply left the key in the room & left...i just don't picture him sitting around ordering movies & the such...of course, like you said, we don't know for sure if this Hampton receipt is even from 11/2; just assuming it is for now....

i think wherever he stayed that night (well, checked in anyway) was 2 hours or less away from the home...(maybe 3 like you say)....he called MY & said he was tired & decided to stop somewhere for some rest......i think he drove back after making the 11 pm phone call, & killed her.....depending on what time he got out of the house, i think he did a WHOLE lot of driving after that, to make sure he was at that "early morning meeting"......

[Scout]

I agree, as you know Scout is very astute, and it is obvious that LP did a great deal of searching to refine this. I would not be surprised if this location turns out to be correct. Duffield is a bit off the beaten track with respect to major highways - the odds for this new venture and a Get it Market in the same area tends to strongly suggest this as a possible location for a meeting and the client he possibly met with.

This is a good distance from Raleigh - 320 miles roughly. It is also within 3 hours maximum from Duffield to Brevard. Closer (no pun intended!) than Raleigh but I'm still not sure it is a matter of convenience to go to Brevard considering that weekend was homecoming for NCSU and there was the "big game" on Saturday. For some reason I go back to the thought I had a long time ago - JY left Raleigh well before the friend(s) arrived, maybe even possibly before MY got home from work...JMO

Thanks for the nice compliment, rc. I do believe you were blazing the Duffield trail along with us. I agree with you on the homecoming aspect. Not a weekend that I would expect Jason's mind to be on visiting Mom.

[raisincharlie]

ok.....the article also states that Fussel said JY told him that he left in the "evening".....gosh, seems i'm starting all over fresh with this thing....probably a good thing though...everything has gotten so twisted with all the speculation....we NEED more info!!!!!!!

http://www.newsobserver.com/141/story/511581.html

again.....

Jason Young has said he slipped out that evening to get a head start for an early morning sales meeting in Virginia, according to Fussell, who said he talked to Jason Young at his wife's funeral.
What if JY told friends he left to get his head start and he "spoke with Michelle at 11 pm and all was fine". Wouldn't they assume it was via telephone? JY could have been in the house at 11 pm and maybe all was fine at that point...far fetched but possible.

[close_enough]

What if JY told friends he left to get his head start and he "spoke with Michelle at 11 pm and all was fine". Wouldn't they assume it was via telephone? JY could have been in the house at 11 pm and maybe all was fine at that point...far fetched but possible.

yeah, far fetched but possible i guess.....i think there was an 11 pm phone call though....he wanted to make a call for part of his alibi, imo....he wanted to be somewhere other than Raleigh when he made that call too, imo.....

LOL, IF there really was an 11 pm call....(i just tend to think there was)

:crazy: dizzy here

[close_enough]

Thanks for the nice compliment, rc. I do believe you were blazing the Duffield trail along with us. I agree with you on the homecoming aspect. Not a weekend that I would expect Jason's mind to be on visiting Mom.

yes, you guys are great in digging up theories & such....all those maps make me crazy after awhile....

[raisincharlie]

yeeeees....i completely agree with this...i don't think JY drove all the way to Duffield on 11/2 either.....

exactly...we don't know what time he made ANY of these gas purchases....he could have filled up the tank in Raleigh at any time on 11/2....i also assume the check in date is on that receipt....i still think he didn't technically check out....not sure why i think this, but i do....i see him as checking in, but not checking out (in person)......i think he checked in for one night & simply left the key in the room & left...i just don't picture him sitting around ordering movies & the such...of course, like you said, we don't know for sure if this Hampton receipt is even from 11/2; just assuming it is for now....

<snip>....
I think he may have had to return to the hotel to get the receipt they often slide under the door in the middle of the night. I'm still not totally convinced the business meeting was a scheduled meeting with a specific set time and if it was - it was not an early early meeting IMO - mid to late morning maybe. More so after reading LPs article. JMO

[raisincharlie]

Thanks for the nice compliment, rc. I do believe you were blazing the Duffield trail along with us. I agree with you on the homecoming aspect. Not a weekend that I would expect Jason's mind to be on visiting Mom.
Just the facts - its true ! I have a problem with the homecoming issue - friends from out of town would be in town - as you say not much motivation to drive 2.5 hours or so to go visit in Brevard. I never saw any of the defenders indicate there was any kind of special event associated with the visit so it just does not make sense to me, still.

[close_enough]

I think he may have had to return to the hotel to get the receipt they often slide under the door in the middle of the night. I'm still not totally convinced the business meeting was a scheduled meeting with a specific set time and if it was - it was not an early early meeting IMO - mid to late morning maybe. More so after reading LPs article. JMO

wow, i've never heard of a hotel sliding a receipt under the door in the middle of the night :confused: ....hmmmm, that would mean he'd HAVE to get back to the room to get it.....that's odd, imo.....i'm not a 'traveler' at all, but my husband is...i just asked him about this...he's never had that happen to him....interesting....

welllllll, for NOW i'm going with (emphasized "now", lol) an early morning meeting, simply because it appears that's what JY told Fussel....

[close_enough]

Just the facts - its true ! I have a problem with the homecoming issue - friends from out of town would be in town - as you say not much motivation to drive 2.5 hours or so to go visit in Brevard. I never saw any of the defenders indicate there was any kind of special event associated with the visit so it just does not make sense to me, still.

i'm a little confused over this homecoming thing....are you saying that you think the murder was 'spur of the moment' then???....you think the trip to the parents house wasn't planned in advance??...not even planned as recently as 11/1 or 11/2???....

i understand how hard-core some folks are about these type of sports functions & all, but if a person is planning a murder, seems no one could actually prove anything fishy about him not going to this homecoming....am i missing something here???

[raisincharlie]

wow, i've never heard of a hotel sliding a receipt under the door in the middle of the night :confused: ....hmmmm, that would mean he'd HAVE to get back to the room to get it.....that's odd, imo.....i'm not a 'traveler' at all, but my husband is...i just asked him about this...he's never had that happen to him....interesting....

welllllll, for NOW i'm going with (emphasized "now", lol) an early morning meeting, simply because it appears that's what JY told Fussel....Express check outs are often handled this way if you let them know you want this service - it precludes one having to go to the desk and checking out to get the receipt. I have not encountered a hotel where the receipt is given to you at check in, the card is taken but the account is open to allow for phone calls, room service etc. Somehow JY had to get that receipt.

[close_enough]

also, i'd like to slip this in again.....i still think it's possible JY had a couple or maybe even 3 gas containers filled in the back of the SUV...(reaching, i know, but if he wanted these gas receipts to 'work out', it's possible) :cool:

[raisincharlie]

i'm a little confused over this homecoming thing....are you saying that you think the murder was 'spur of the moment' then???....you think the trip to the parents house wasn't planned in advance??...not even planned as recently as 11/1 or 11/2???....

i understand how hard-core some folks are about these type of sports functions & all, but if a person is planning a murder, seems no one could actually prove anything fishy about him not going to this homecoming....am i missing something here???
I'm not entirely settled on if the murder was premeditated as in planned over the course of time. I simply cannot get a real feel for that as there is nothing to base it on.

In some ways, especially considering it was homecoming weekend, it seems to me to be not planned over time but perhaps more a spur of the moment confrontation that went very badly wrong. Bring in the trip to the folks - we don't know if that was planned or not - I however do not recall any of the "friends" claiming there was an occasion that might have drawn him to Brevard that was more important than homecoming weekend. Given Jy's penchant for attending games, being a season ticket holder, and dressing Cassidy up as a little cheer leader, tailgating parties, their wedding reception was a catered event at a game as I recall - he was into it big time. JMO

[close_enough]

Express check outs are often handled this way if you let them know you want this service - it precludes one having to go to the desk and checking out to get the receipt. I have not encountered a hotel where the receipt is given to you at check in, the card is taken but the account is open to allow for phone calls, room service etc. Somehow JY had to get that receipt.

ok ....lol, my husband is like "why do you want to know all this"???....he said he always gets a receipt upon checking in to a place....he said he doesn't get anything when he leaves, UNLESS he checks in, & doesn't know for sure when he's leaving...THEN he gets a receipt upon leaving....

he said he doesn't always go to the office upon checking out ... he said sometimes he WILL go & tell them he's out of there & that the key is in the room, yada yada yada......but he says he gives them his credit card, checks in, gets his card back, signs whatever he has to sign, gets the key, & that's it when he knows how long he's going to be there....

i'm sure not all hotels/motels are the same...only going by his experience...

[close_enough]

I'm not entirely settled on if the murder was premeditated as in planned over the course of time. I simply cannot get a real feel for that as there is nothing to base it on.

In some ways, especially considering it was homecoming weekend, it seems to me to be not planned over time but perhaps more a spur of the moment confrontation that went very badly wrong. Bring in the trip to the folks - we don't know if that was planned or not - I however do not recall any of the "friends" claiming there was an occasion that might have drawn him to Brevard that was more important than homecoming weekend. Given Jy's penchant for attending games, being a season ticket holder, and dressing Cassidy up as a little cheer leader, tailgating parties, their wedding reception was a catered event at a game as I recall - he was into it big time. JMO

yeah, i see what you're saying......& it would be even MORE fishy if he had bought the tickets per game, then decided not to go....something 'hit the fan' just prior to this murder...not sure what, but something did...maybe just days prior to the murder....(MM, some money issues, etc...)

wonder if JY's family would be on the 'up & up' in giving that info out...whether they knew in advance of him coming to visit, or not....

eta...would be interesting to know how far in advance JY's parents knew of his coming there for that visit...

[packerdog]

also, i'd like to slip this in again.....i still think it's possible JY had a couple or maybe even 3 gas containers filled in the back of the SUV...(reaching, i know, but if he wanted these gas receipts to 'work out', it's possible) :cool:

LOL Close, you sound like a true PI. He very well could have gas containers with him to make up for the used gas.

[raisincharlie]

yeah, i see what you're saying......& it would be even MORE fishy if he had bought the tickets per game, then decided not to go....something 'hit the fan' just prior to this murder...not sure what, but something did...maybe just days prior to the murder....(MM, some money issues, etc...)

wonder if JY's family would be on the 'up & up' in giving that info out...whether they knew in advance of him coming to visit, or not....
This is what I am more inclined to believe-something hit the fan big time and quite honestly I think it was MY - she had enough and was just done with it - JMO and not based on anything other than my thoughts. I do think it is possible however he could have entered the house with the express purpose of killing her and what will convince me one way or the other will actually come down to the weapon used - if it came from the bedroom - it may have been a fight. If it came from some where other than the bedroom - I have no doubt, the intent was to murder her.

What does make me waver around a bit though is the issue of the insurance - the warrants strongly suggest something was not exactly right on that front. But I cannot conclude the issue was related to death. Someone could have been trying to borrow money against them. I am confused by this and not sure what to think.

[close_enough]

LOL Close, you sound like a true PI. He very well could have gas containerds with him to make up for the used gas.

LOL...yeah, i wondered about this very early on too, but didn't mention it until recently....it's certainly possible if you're planning a murder, traveling, & wanting to cover your butt ;)

[panthera]

RC......we have no idea, apparently, when JY left the house on 11/2......i'm starting to really wonder if the friend (that watched Grey's A with Michelle) actually saw JY leave that night.....you have me really wondering now if he just didn't pick up & leave before MY got home from work....this is nowhere NEAR what i first speculated though.......heck, i guess he could have left for the meeting like 3 or 4 pm on that Thursday....checked in wherever, headed back to the house......maybe he DID call MY at 11 pm, while on his way BACK to the house, but claims he was just checking on her??....seems that LE could track that phone call though & know where he was ..???....i tend to think there WAS an 11 pm phone call...why mention it to the friend at the funeral if there wasn't....i think it was part of the alibi....

still thinking here...I believe the 11pm phone call also happened, but doubt he wasn't where he was supposed to be ~ certainly he'd know about cell tower tracking; I'll give him that much credit. Either something happened during that call which ignited his rage, or if there was a "hit" on her, he was making sure she was home alone (meaning that her friends had left). I tend to think the first scenario took place due to the violent nature of the murder.

[close_enough]

This is what I am more inclined to believe-something hit the fan big time and quite honestly I think it was MY - she had enough and was just done with it - JMO and not based on anything other than my thoughts. I do think it is possible however he could have entered the house with the express purpose of killing her and what will convince me one way or the other will actually come down to the weapon used - if it came from the bedroom - it may have been a fight. If it came from some where other than the bedroom - I have no doubt, the intent was to murder her.

What does make me waver around a bit though is the issue of the insurance - the warrants strongly suggest something was not exactly right on that front. But I cannot conclude the issue was related to death. Someone could have been trying to borrow money against them. I am confused by this and not sure what to think.

yep yep...the insurance :waitasec:

[panthera]

LOL...yeah, i wondered about this very early on too, but didn't mention it until recently....it's certainly possible if you're planning a murder, traveling, & wanting to cover your butt ;)Any large truck stops long his route? Just thinking that if he wanted to slip in and out of a gas station and not be noticed at that hour of the night he might choose one which has a lot of traffic and large rigs there, so he'd remain unnoticed. And pay cash.

[close_enough]

I believe the 11pm phone call also happened, but doubt he wasn't where he was supposed to be ~ certainly he'd know about cell tower tracking; I'll give him that much credit. Either something happened during that call which ignited his rage, or if there was a "hit" on her, he was making sure she was home alone (meaning that her friends had left). I tend to think the first scenario took place due to the violent nature of the murder.

right panthera, i don't think JY was near where the business meeting was suppose to take place, rather he was just over the VA line at a hotel/motel when he made the 11 pm call.....i tend to think there wasn't a "hit" on her, BUT it's possible for sure.....i just think he made that call somewhere in VA, near the state line, claiming he went ahead & stopped for some reason...tired, feeling sick, whatever...i think he DID check into the place, & unless someone actually saw him drive away, shortly after checking in, there's nothing to prove he ever left there afterwards....being that late, it could be most folks at the hotel/motel were asleep in there rooms, or simply didn't notice JY or his vehicle....i have no doubt there were cameras in the office, but it wouldn't shock me if there weren't any in the parking lot....

there could have been a fuss over the phone...we'll probably never know for sure though, either way.....i tend to think this was planned before he ever left the house on 11/2 though, & the call was to verify she was alone (that the friend had left for sure) & for part of his alibi...being 'out of town' when he made the call......i don't think anyone saw/noticed him on the road back to the house, but i have this feeling that someone did see his vehicle back in that neighborhood, when it shouldn't have been....i know i'm probably putting too much faith into Jane02's comment on ctv, but she was right as far as there being rumor of a g/f in Florida, soooooooo......i think that's part of what's the hold up on this investigation....LE needs another eye-witness that noticed JY leaving a hotel that night, or on the road heading toward Raleigh, late that night....one witness (the delivery truck?) wouldn't do it, but that person along with someone seeing him leaving, after checking into a room, might be of more help....

i'll be completely shocked if a hitman is involved, but that could also be what's got LE stumped....(if they're really stumped, of course...i'm just speculating that they are)

[close_enough]

Any large truck stops long his route? Just thinking that if he wanted to slip in and out of a gas station and not be noticed at that hour of the night he might choose one which has a lot of traffic and large rigs there, so he'd remain unnoticed. And pay cash.

good point...i have no idea if there's any large truck stops, but i have to assume there probably is...i know they're everywhere along the highways/interstates here in TN....the only thing with that would be that most truck stops would have cameras inside (maybe outside for that matter) & he'd be on tape paying with cash......

i have to assume that once he headed back to the house, he didn't stop for anything...

[5bigfish5]

I'm probably going to be in the minority here, but here goes.


Until we know for sure whether or not JY was at the house when MY's friend showed up for "Grey's Anatomy", I think we are spinning our wheels.

I will preface my next comment with the FACT that I have the utmost respect for the "Duffield" people in this camp and all their efforts to put JY there.

But I live here, I drive the roads, I know that "Mapquest" is so often wrong on their time estimates, that it defies logic that they even post them. The Young house is "right off" of Hwy 40, to leave the scene any other way, makes zero sense. Plus, #40 gives JY the straightest, fastest shot to VA.

The SUV-SW plainly states "Hampton Hotel". Since the "Hampton Inn" is a very popular hotel in this area, I am surprised that the reporting Officer did not indicate "Inn", IF in fact it was the Hampton Inn.

I just don't see JY going thru so much trouble to make extra work for himself, he had to have been tired and running on "Red Bull". I firmly believe he was closer to home when he checked into A Hampton Hotel that horrible night.

Just my 2¢.

Respect to all!

ETA, he didn't have to use #40 the whole way of course, but..it would have gotten him out of the area ASAP.

[5bigfish5]

One other thing, IF he had taked #40 to 15-501, he would have hit VA in the shortest amout of time, even IF he paused for a few minutes over a bridge on Kerr Lake.

[panthera]

good point...i have no idea if there's any large truck stops, but i have to assume there probably is...i know they're everywhere along the highways/interstates here in TN....the only thing with that would be that most truck stops would have cameras inside (maybe outside for that matter) & he'd be on tape paying with cash......

i have to assume that once he headed back to the house, he didn't stop for anything...Yes the large truck stops would have video surveillance, at least of the cashier's window. But he could've blended in more easily there in the middle of the night than a smaller location out of the way. I would think that if he was carrying extra containers of gasoline in the back of the Explorer that LE would've picked up on the odor when they confiscated the vehicle the next day.

[jilly]

wow, i've never heard of a hotel sliding a receipt under the door in the middle of the night :confused: ....hmmmm, that would mean he'd HAVE to get back to the room to get it.....that's odd, imo.....i'm not a 'traveler' at all, but my husband is...i just asked him about this...he's never had that happen to him....interesting....

welllllll, for NOW i'm going with (emphasized "now", lol) an early morning meeting, simply because it appears that's what JY told Fussel....

They do at the Mariott Courtyard Close - I've stayed there so many times! I would compare the Courtyard to a Hampton Inn as well.

ETA - You check in - hand them your credit card and during the early morning hours of check out they slide the receipt under the door with any additional charges - movies, room service etc. I never check out at the desk - just leave the key in the room or sometimes hand them to the front desk. Don't get any paperwork when checking in.

[jilly]

i'm sure not all hotels/motels are the same...only going by his experience...

No they're not.

[close_enough]

I'm probably going to be in the minority here, but here goes.


Until we know for sure whether or not JY was at the house when MY's friend showed up for "Grey's Anatomy", I think we are spinning our wheels.

I will preface my next comment with the FACT that I have the utmost respect for the "Duffield" people in this camp and all their efforts to put JY there.

But I live here, I drive the roads, I know that "Mapquest" is so often wrong on their time estimates, that it defies logic that they even post them. The Young house is "right off" of Hwy 40, to leave the scene any other way, makes zero sense. Plus, #40 gives JY the straightest, fastest shot to VA.

The SUV-SW plainly states "Hampton Hotel". Since the "Hampton Inn" is a very popular hotel in this area, I am surprised that the reporting Officer did not indicate "Inn", IF in fact it was the Hampton Inn.

I just don't see JY going thru so much trouble to make extra work for himself, he had to have been tired and running on "Red Bull". I firmly believe he was closer to home when he checked into A Hampton Hotel that horrible night.

Just my 2¢.

Respect to all!

ETA, he didn't have to use #40 the whole way of course, but..it would have gotten him out of the area ASAP.

Until we know for sure whether or not JY was at the house when MY's friend showed up for "Grey's Anatomy", I think we are spinning our wheels.


...you're exactly right Bigfish...& good eye on the "Hampton Hotel"....

[close_enough]

Yes the large truck stops would have video surveillance, at least of the cashier's window. But he could've blended in more easily there in the middle of the night than a smaller location out of the way. I would think that if he was carrying extra containers of gasoline in the back of the Explorer that LE would've picked up on the odor when they confiscated the vehicle the next day.

yeah, i thought of that also...one would think there'd be a smell of gas in the car, even a faint one.....

[close_enough]

They do at the Mariott Courtyard Close - I've stayed there so many times! I would compare the Courtyard to a Hampton Inn as well.

ETA - You check in - hand them your credit card and during the early morning hours of check out they slide the receipt under the door with any additional charges - movies, room service etc. I never check out at the desk - just leave the key in the room or sometimes hand them to the front desk. Don't get any paperwork when checking in.

afternoon jilly:)

yes, it's very obvious to me now that hotels/motels are different on their checking in/checking out policy...

[panthera]

Until we know for sure whether or not JY was at the house when MY's friend showed up for "Grey's Anatomy", I think we are spinning our wheels.


...you're exactly right Bigfish...& good eye on the "Hampton Hotel"....You're right, we don't know exactly when he left home ~ which of course would make a big difference how far away he could've been when he called at 11pm or during the time range for the TOD. I haven't had time to search, but is there a "Hampton Hotel" anywhere? (Sorry if it's already been posted and I overlooked it!)

[scandi]

All interesting comments this morning. It was like the Close & Raisin Show :D as the rest of us were all still counting sheep~!

After reading everything, I think Michelle and Jason's problems started mounting 3 mos before she died, and culminated in the last few weeks of great dissention between them. They probably screamed at each other a lot in the last few days, and I think she told him to pack his bags and get out of their house she didn't love him anymore. And that she had started getting things in order to file for a divorce.

That last afternoon in the house I think JY packed his most needy things into 2 or 3 suitcases, like a wounded pup, and left before M's friend arrived. I think at that point she was very verbal, angry and devestated at recent news she had learned about his unfaithfulness.

He took off in a blur and headed N to Va, thinking all of the time as he drove for a couple of hours. He might have stopped at a Hampton he spotted, since he was familiar with these hotels, and went into the lounge to have a few drinks. He dicided to check in, as he had a lot of time before he had to be at his meeting, and after a several drinks, decided to call Michelle. He had a good thing, and now that he had been gone for several hours, maybe she had changed her mind.

I don't think the call went well at all, and something she said incensed him to the point he said to himself, that is it, and left heading back home. He might have gone to his room to decide how to go about this confrontation, as he had now decided to kill her, and think he arrived home around 2-3 and it didn't take long, and he was out of there ASAP. He might have driven by the lake on his way out of town to dispose of the evidenciary items, and headed towards his meeting.

Why does everyone think he used a hotel phone to call her

eta: Also, I'm wondering too about the LE timeline of midnight to 6am, and if anyone saw anything during that time frame. If you take the time of 6am, and he left at that time, he would never have made it to an early meeting up in VA. I think if he killed her, he said **** the meeting, ditched the evidence, went to his hotel to rest for awhile and shower, and headed for
Brevard.

[panthera]

yeah, i thought of that also...one would think there'd be a smell of gas in the car, even a faint one.....Yes, even carrying one can would emit the odor of gasoline in a closed vehicle.

[5bigfish5]

Yes the large truck stops would have video surveillance, at least of the cashier's window. But he could've blended in more easily there in the middle of the night than a smaller location out of the way. I would think that if he was carrying extra containers of gasoline in the back of the Explorer that LE would've picked up on the odor when they confiscated the vehicle the next day.
I agree Panthera,

WAY too many cameras at truck stops in this "neck of the woods". A small convenience store works perfect! Too many unsupervised young people out there that time of night to even care IF someone uses the Store's dumpster. (which is illegal in N.C., BTW).

[jilly]

afternoon jilly:)

yes, it's very obvious to me now that hotels/motels are different on their checking in/checking out policy...

I just phoned the Hampton Inn near me. lol They have the same procedure as the Marriott Courtyard - When you check in (not before 3 pm) they want your credit card and ID. Checking out they put the receipt under the door in the middle of the nite.

LOL - I was wondering how to approach this call & I said I was thinking of booking a trip for my mother and just wanted to make sure she knew what to do.Didn't think I should tell her I'm trying to figure out a murder! lol.She said just tell your mother we'd appreciate it if she could just let us know at he front desk when she's leaving so we can go in and clean the room.lol

[close_enough]

You're right, we don't know exactly when he left home ~ which of course would make a big difference how far away he could've been when he called at 11pm or during the time range for the TOD. I haven't had time to search, but is there a "Hampton Hotel" anywhere? (Sorry if it's already been posted and I overlooked it!)

there's all kinds of Hampton Hotels in Hampton VA, which is 3 & half hours from Raleigh....

[5bigfish5]

Yes, even carrying one can would emit the odor of gasoline in a closed vehicle.

Not to mention the possibility of them sloshing over.

IMO, he got rid of whatever he had, VERY close to home. Paid cash for gas the rest of the way and thinks he is Scott free.

We shall see.

[chicoliving]

About the game and the weekend that wasn't......maybe if that game and weekend had happened secrets would have been revealed. What if the murder had to happen to prevent that game/weekend from happening?? Sorry, just had to put it out there after thinking of all the crazy reasons people kill. :blushing:

[panthera]

All interesting comments this morning. It was like the Close & Raisin Show :D as the rest of us were all still counting sheep~!

After reading everything, I think Michelle and Jason's problems started mounting 3 mos before she died, and culminated in the last few weeks of great dissention between them. They probably screamed at each other a lot in the last few days, and I think she told him to pack his bags and get out of their house she didn't love him anymore. And that she had started getting things in order to file for a divorce.

That last afternoon in the house I think JY packed his most needy things into 2 or 3 suitcases, like a wounded pup, and left before M's friend arrived. I think at that point she was very verbal, angry and devestated at recent news she had learned about his unfaithfulness.

He took off in a blur and headed N to Va, thinking all of the time as he drove for a couple of hours. He might have stopped at a Hampton he spotted, since he was familiar with these hotels, and went into the lounge to have a few drinks. He dicided to check in, as he had a lot of time before he had to be at his meeting, and after a several drinks, decided to call Michelle. He had a good thing, and now that he had been gone for several hours, maybe she had changed her mind.

I don't think the call went well at all, and something she said incensed him to the point he said to himself, that is it, and left heading back home. He might have gone to his room to decide how to go about this confrontation, as he had now decided to kill her, and think he arrived home around 2-3 and it didn't take long, and he was out of there ASAP. He might have driven by the lake on his way out of town to dispose of the evidenciary items, and headed towards his meeting.

Why does everyone think he used a hotel phone to call her?Great points, scandi. I'm also inclined to think that this was something that just didn't happen that night, but was brought to the point where he became so enraged at Michelle ~ which would explain the violent manner in which she was killed. Did you happen to see Nancy Grace last night, about the murder of the wife of a college professor? Strange similarities to this case, including the dog being put in a bedroom.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0701/05/ng.01.html

[panthera]

Not to mention the possibility of them sloshing over.

IMO, he got rid of whatever he had, VERY close to home. Paid cash for gas the rest of the way and thinks he is Scott free.

We shall see.Yes, especially the possibility of it spilling, or God-forbid he's in an accident and caught in an inferno. I agree ~ thinks he's Scott free.

[close_enough]

All interesting comments this morning. It was like the Close & Raisin Show :D as the rest of us were all still counting sheep~!

After reading everything, I think Michelle and Jason's problems started mounting 3 mos before she died, and culminated in the last few weeks of great dissention between them. They probably screamed at each other a lot in the last few days, and I think she told him to pack his bags and get out of their house she didn't love him anymore. And that she had started getting things in order to file for a divorce.

That last afternoon in the house I think JY packed his most needy things into 2 or 3 suitcases, like a wounded pup, and left before M's friend arrived. I think at that point she was very verbal, angry and devestated at recent news she had learned about his unfaithfulness.

He took off in a blur and headed N to Va, thinking all of the time as he drove for a couple of hours. He might have stopped at a Hampton he spotted, since he was familiar with these hotels, and went into the lounge to have a few drinks. He dicided to check in, as he had a lot of time before he had to be at his meeting, and after a several drinks, decided to call Michelle. He had a good thing, and now that he had been gone for several hours, maybe she had changed her mind.

I don't think the call went well at all, and something she said incensed him to the point he said to himself, that is it, and left heading back home. He might have gone to his room to decide how to go about this confrontation, as he had now decided to kill her, and think he arrived home around 2-3 and it didn't take long, and he was out of there ASAP. He might have driven by the lake on his way out of town to dispose of the evidenciary items, and headed towards his meeting.

Why does everyone think he used a hotel phone to call her

eta: Also, I'm wondering too about the LE timeline of midnight to 6am, and if anyone saw anything during that time frame. If you take the time of 6am, and he left at that time, he would never have made it to an early meeting up in VA. I think if he killed her, he said **** the meeting, ditched the evidence, went to his hotel to rest for awhile and shower, and headed for
Brevard.

i've never thought that he used the hotel phone to place that call....i've just always thought he used his cell phone...he might HAVE used the hotel phone for all we know....never crossed my mind though, that he would use the phone from a hotel room...

IF there was a business meeting scheduled, i tend to think that JY showed up for it....i'm still sticking with the TOD being somewhere betw 1 am & 3 am....this would give him time to get another good 6 or more hours of driving in, imo....(course it all depends on the time of the meeting, which i DO believe was "early morning", per Fussel's statements...9 am or so)

[panthera]

I agree Panthera,

WAY too many cameras at truck stops in this "neck of the woods". A small convenience store works perfect! Too many unsupervised young people out there that time of night to even care IF someone uses the Store's dumpster. (which is illegal in N.C., BTW).Yes, I know about the illegal dumping here. I hadn't thought of a convenience store, but you're right, even with surveillance cameras inside the store, he could just walk in, hand $$ to the cashier and tell them what pump to turn on. At many of these stores/stations the pumps themselves don't have cameras on them.

[close_enough]

I just phoned the Hampton Inn near me. lol They have the same procedure as the Marriott Courtyard - When you check in (not before 3 pm) they want your credit card and ID. Checking out they put the receipt under the door in the middle of the nite.
LOL - I was wondering how to approach this call & I said I was thinking of booking a trip for my mother and just wanted to make sure she knew what to do.Didn't think I should tell her I'm trying to figure out a murder! lol.She said just tell your mother we'd appreciate it if she could just let us know at he front desk when she's leaving so we can go in and clean the room.lol

called the Vanderbilt Hampton Inn, here in Nashville, & they told me the same thing:)

i just simply told her that i was having a discussion on their checking in/checking out policy...

[raisincharlie]

About the game and the weekend that wasn't......maybe if that game and weekend had happened secrets would have been revealed. What if the murder had to happen to prevent that game/weekend from happening?? Sorry, just had to put it out there after thinking of all the crazy reasons people kill. :blushing:This really is not far fetched Chico - the big sorority sister spa weekend was scheduled for 16 November through 19 November. Supposedly MY was suppose to go as well as MM. I believe they all went through with this even after the murder. Somethings might have definitiely become known during that time for sure.

[close_enough]

About the game and the weekend that wasn't......maybe if that game and weekend had happened secrets would have been revealed. What if the murder had to happen to prevent that game/weekend from happening?? Sorry, just had to put it out there after thinking of all the crazy reasons people kill. :blushing:

whoa, i'd have never thought of that...very sneeeeeaky chi chi chi chico...& hi there, BTW:)

[FactsareFacts]

This really is not far fetched Chico - the big sorority sister spa weekend was scheduled for 16 November through 19 November. Supposedly MY was suppose to go as well as MM. I believe they all went through with this even after the murder. Somethings might have definitiely become known during that time for sure.

I believe I read that MY was also going to be attending that SPA weekend too raisin Charlie. I don't recall where I read it though.:confused:

[close_enough]

hey Bigfish....is there a "Hampton Hotel" anywhere around the area, that you know of??

you have me curious now...

[close_enough]

i did a search on "Hampton Hotel in Raleigh NC" & it pulled up Hampton Inns...

[5bigfish5]

hey Bigfish....is there a "Hampton Hotel" anywhere around the area, that you know of??

you have me curious now...
Hi,

No "Hampton Hotels" that I can find here. That's what makes the officer's notation "suspect" in my mind.

Several in VA. I'm not so good on the internet as some. That receipt doesn't give ANY info. Could be anywhere.

[5bigfish5]

About the game and the weekend that wasn't......maybe if that game and weekend had happened secrets would have been revealed. What if the murder had to happen to prevent that game/weekend from happening?? Sorry, just had to put it out there after thinking of all the crazy reasons people kill. :blushing:
Gawd you guys are on the ball!

Chico,

You have now officially scared me.

Stranger things have happened. I have been sweating those "Season Tickets" for a long time.

[raisincharlie]

I believe I read that MY was also going to be attending that SPA weekend too raisin Charlie. I don't recall where I read it though.:confused:
Hello FactsareFacts,

I do not recall either where I read that. Thought I would post this for you in the event you had not seen it. It is a timeline for the case put together by Scout and it is very handy for reference:

http://freecal.brownbearsw.com/MichelleYoung?Op=ShowIt&Date=2006-11-01

This link is the main page to Scout's blog:

http://frictionpowered.blogspot.com/

In case you were not aware of this blog and information - if you were aware - sorry !

:)

[otto]

I get the feeling we're trying to stretch what little we know to make a theory that we can wrap around Jason. It almost feels like trying to put a one year old's shirt on a two year old child.

I seem to recall, but may be wrong, that Michelle's friends were at the house when Jason left ... in the evening. There's been discussion about the rumour that he left with all sorts of luggage, but when the time line doesn't fit, we speculate that maybe he left earlier in the day. If he left earlier in the day, then we have to toss out everything related to the 2-3 suitcases and the possibility that he was being tossed out of the house. I think we're either missing something, or the timeline won't wrap around Jason.

[jilly]

The SUV-SW plainly states "Hampton Hotel". Since the "Hampton Inn" is a very popular hotel in this area, I am surprised that the reporting Officer did not indicate "Inn", IF in fact it was the Hampton Inn.



I'm not surprised about this 5bigfish5. It seems that they are all the same chain owned by Hilton aren't they? (that's what I heard a long time ago) - some are called Hampton Inn Hotel & Suites, some Hampton Inn and others Hampton Hotel.

[strach304]

wow, i've never heard of a hotel sliding a receipt under the door in the middle of the night :confused: ....hmmmm, that would mean he'd HAVE to get back to the room to get it.....that's odd, imo.....i'm not a 'traveler' at all, but my husband is...i just asked him about this...he's never had that happen to him....interesting....

welllllll, for NOW i'm going with (emphasized "now", lol) an early morning meeting, simply because it appears that's what JY told Fussel....

What most modern hotels do is if check out is at 11am (standard time) and you haven't physically gone to the desk to check out or called to extend your stay they run off all of those receipts by checking you out same way if you were standing there physically, it's all automated. Only difference is both copies of the receipt are attached to registration paperwork and filed with it. The key cards are left in the rooms usually and housekeepers collect and turn in. You can't stay in that room an extra day for instance because there is paperwork for the housekeeping that comes back and the key card is only good for the time paid. There was a poster here that said something about a hotel they stay at putting the receipt under the door but I don't know of any that do this other than as a request. Same with wake up calls they are fully automated as well meaning that you don't have to call and ask for one although you can but you can program it into the phone yourself.

ETA: Close, you can request your copy right then when you check in and you are just automatically processed in the am when the clerk does the rest like I explained above.

[strach304]

Just the facts - its true ! I have a problem with the homecoming issue - friends from out of town would be in town - as you say not much motivation to drive 2.5 hours or so to go visit in Brevard. I never saw any of the defenders indicate there was any kind of special event associated with the visit so it just does not make sense to me, still.

Ok RC, consider this; the drive back to Raleigh during rush hour traffic after his business would be 5 hours and 16 mins. 320 miles, Duffield to Brevard 2 hours and 50 mins. 139 miles in the early afternoon if it was a morning meeting maybe and then on Saturday morning no rush hour traffic and the trip back to Raleigh from Brevard is 4 hours and 52 mins. 282 miles. Plenty of time to make the game. :)

[close_enough]

Hello FactsareFacts,

I do not recall either where I read that. Thought I would post this for you in the event you had not seen it. It is a timeline for the case put together by Scout and it is very handy for reference:

http://freecal.brownbearsw.com/MichelleYoung?Op=ShowIt&Date=2006-11-01

This link is the main page to Scout's blog:

http://frictionpowered.blogspot.com/

In case you were not aware of this blog and information - if you were aware - sorry !

:)

hey, i'd never seen this timeline before...thanks for posting it...i guess i missed it along the way....

[strach304]

Express check outs are often handled this way if you let them know you want this service - it precludes one having to go to the desk and checking out to get the receipt. I have not encountered a hotel where the receipt is given to you at check in, the card is taken but the account is open to allow for phone calls, room service etc. Somehow JY had to get that receipt.

You can do this with a credit card because any additional charges are just processed and charged to your card when they run off the check outs in the am. Phone calls, movies, room service etc. all automated system. That's why you have to have a cc to check in but can change it when you check out to cash if you like. Also there's the key card deposit that you forfeit if you don't turn in the key card and your card will be charged like a 500.00 fine or whatever if you smoke in a non-smoking room etc. stuff like that.

[5bigfish5]

I'm not surprised about this 5bigfish5. It seems that they are all the same chain owned by Hilton aren't they? (that's what I heard a long time ago) - some are called Hampton Inn Hotel & Suites, some Hampton Inn and others Hampton Hotel.

Hi Jilly,

I just don't know. All I know, is that it seemed strange to me.

With what little I could find out, there are lots of "Hampton Hotels" in VA, not even affiliated with Hampton Inn or Suites, as it is known here.


Happy Sleuthing, this one is a bit¢h!

[close_enough]

What most modern hotels do is if check out is at 11am (standard time) and you haven't physically gone to the desk to check out or called to extend your stay they run off all of those receipts by checking you out same way if you were standing there physically, it's all automated. Only difference is both copies of the receipt are attached to registration paperwork and filed with it. The key cards are left in the rooms usually and housekeepers collect and turn in. You can't stay in that room an extra day for instance because there is paperwork for the housekeeping that comes back and the key card is only good for the time paid. There was a poster here that said something about a hotel they stay at putting the receipt under the door but I don't know of any that do this other than as a request. Same with wake up calls they are fully automated as well meaning that you don't have to call and ask for one although you can but you can program it into the phone yourself.

ETA: Close, you can request your copy right then when you check in and you are just automatically processed in the am when the clerk does the rest like I explained above.

right strach...i'd never heard of it before...i called a Hampton Inn here in Nashville, & if you check in at say 10 pm, they will not give you a receipt (which i still find strange) until after midnight when everything is processed??...that's what the girl told me, so i have to assume that's how all Hampton Inn's work...(jilly called one in her area also)......

i'd say that's probably why my husband always gets his receipts up front at different places...he checks in around the regular times, usually 3 pm or a little after...he heads out in the early morning hours & tries to get to his destination/rooms by afternoon, early evening....my husband said he never has a problem with getting a receipt when checking in places, when he knows how long he's staying....he said it's rare he ever physically checks out, but he has to have his receipt to send to the main office to get reimbursed....i'm trying to think of the different places he stays..i know Best Western is one, but there's others...(he's gone with his buddy to get beer, so i'll ask when they get back)

[strach304]

I get the feeling we're trying to stretch what little we know to make a theory that we can wrap around Jason. It almost feels like trying to put a one year old's shirt on a two year old child.

I seem to recall, but may be wrong, that Michelle's friends were at the house when Jason left ... in the evening. There's been discussion about the rumour that he left with all sorts of luggage, but when the time line doesn't fit, we speculate that maybe he left earlier in the day. If he left earlier in the day, then we have to toss out everything related to the 2-3 suitcases and the possibility that he was being tossed out of the house. I think we're either missing something, or the timeline won't wrap around Jason.

My questions as of now is; where is the luggage? Why are we still suspecting Jason physically did this? It's starting to look impossible to me. Although much of his alibi looked completely contrived if everything checks out he couldn't physically have done it.

[close_enough]

I get the feeling we're trying to stretch what little we know to make a theory that we can wrap around Jason. It almost feels like trying to put a one year old's shirt on a two year old child.

I seem to recall, but may be wrong, that Michelle's friends were at the house when Jason left ... in the evening. There's been discussion about the rumour that he left with all sorts of luggage, but when the time line doesn't fit, we speculate that maybe he left earlier in the day. If he left earlier in the day, then we have to toss out everything related to the 2-3 suitcases and the possibility that he was being tossed out of the house. I think we're either missing something, or the timeline won't wrap around Jason.

oh i know that i'm trying to stretch what little i know otto, lol...can't help it...i'm trying to think 'simple' though..(except for the gas containers :p )
...trying to keep the things we DO know (which is VERY little) as simple as possible in my mind, without going waaaaay 'out there'.....

oops...edited to add.....you're right; at the very beginning we all figured that the friend was there to watch Grey's Anatomy with Michelle, AND that JY was there also, maybe getting ready to "slip out" for his business trip.....i think we've determined though that it's not been officially stated that was the case....my theory is that the friend WAS there & saw him leave, but as time goes on, i'm just not sure, since nothing has actually been stated about it....in trying to keep things 'simple' i'm working with the friend seeing him leave....the article is worded in a weird way about this, so it can be taken two different ways....

Michelle Young's last day was like most for her. She headed to downtown Raleigh on Nov. 2 to work as a senior financial analyst in the tax department of Progress Energy. After work, it was a quiet evening at home.

Jason Young has said he slipped out that evening to get a head start for an early morning sales meeting in Virginia, according to Fussell, who said he talked to Jason Young at his wife's funeral.

Michelle Young stayed behind with Cassidy; a girlfriend came over to watch TV with her, the friend told Fussell. Cassidy popped in a DVD of "Cinderella" -- a Halloween gift -- and watched until she fell fast asleep.

http://www.newsobserver.com/141/story/511581.html

[5bigfish5]

I get the feeling we're trying to stretch what little we know to make a theory that we can wrap around Jason. It almost feels like trying to put a one year old's shirt on a two year old child.

I seem to recall, but may be wrong, that Michelle's friends were at the house when Jason left ... in the evening. There's been discussion about the rumour that he left with all sorts of luggage, but when the time line doesn't fit, we speculate that maybe he left earlier in the day. If he left earlier in the day, then we have to toss out everything related to the 2-3 suitcases and the possibility that he was being tossed out of the house. I think we're either missing something, or the timeline won't wrap around Jason.

Otto, I believe you are correct!

We ARE on the right trail, but premature. This is a very frustrating case, to be sure, because of the lack of information. I hope that Michelle and un-named-baby boy (how I hated typing that) will get justice.

I also hope that any tricks that any future defendant's Attorney tries to pull, will back-fire BIGTIME!

[strach304]

I just phoned the Hampton Inn near me. lol They have the same procedure as the Marriott Courtyard - When you check in (not before 3 pm) they want your credit card and ID. Checking out they put the receipt under the door in the middle of the nite.

LOL - I was wondering how to approach this call & I said I was thinking of booking a trip for my mother and just wanted to make sure she knew what to do.Didn't think I should tell her I'm trying to figure out a murder! lol.She said just tell your mother we'd appreciate it if she could just let us know at he front desk when she's leaving so we can go in and clean the room.lol

That was a good idea to call that particular hotel for their procedure because they aren't all exactly alike with their systems specific to their policy. To have a receipt put under your door I am sure you would have to request that even if it's in the way of saying I will not be coming to the desk to formally check out but want my receipt. If he checked in at say 10 or 11 pm the way the automated system works he could go to the desk at 12:01 am and be checked out but the receipt will refect that time whereas if you tell them to put the receipt under the door in the morning or whatever the key card will not work to get back in the room. Make sense?

[close_enough]

& about the "all sorts of luggage".....i don't remember reading anything about that...is this something that an 'insider' posted over at ctv???

[FactsareFacts]

Hello FactsareFacts,

I do not recall either where I read that. Thought I would post this for you in the event you had not seen it. It is a timeline for the case put together by Scout and it is very handy for reference:

http://freecal.brownbearsw.com/MichelleYoung?Op=ShowIt&Date=2006-11-01

This link is the main page to Scout's blog:

http://frictionpowered.blogspot.com/

In case you were not aware of this blog and information - if you were aware - sorry !

:)

Thanks Raisin I had been there but it's been awhile so it was good to look over again anyways. :)

[close_enough]

if JY headed out on a Thursday evening, had a business meeting on Friday morning, then was going to head to his parents house for the rest of the weekend, then i don't find it odd at all that he would have more than one bag/suitcase....is that the thing here about "all sorts of luggage"???

[strach304]

there's all kinds of Hampton Hotels in Hampton VA, which is 3 & half hours from Raleigh....


RC and I already worked that theory last night because I think on the warrant info it says Hampton Motel not hotel. Doesn't fit with the gas station receipt for Stone Gap,Va. which is technically where the Get It Market is not Duffield. There's 14 miles difference. Can't make a match fit and I've mapped it out in every way possible I think and done numerous searches for the gas stations, motels and hotels. The Duffield one fits like a glove.

[raisincharlie]

That was a good idea to call that particular hotel for their procedure because they aren't all exactly alike with their systems specific to their policy. To have a receipt put under your door I am sure you would have to request that even if it's in the way of saying I will not be coming to the desk to formally check out but want my receipt. If he checked in at say 10 or 11 pm the way the automated system works he could go to the desk at 12:01 am and be checked out but the receipt will refect that time whereas if you tell them to put the receipt under the door in the morning or whatever the key card will not work to get back in the room. Make sense?I've never had a problem with my key card not working Strach - right up til check out time and most of the hotels I stay at do indeed provide the receipt under the door. Some it must be requested - others do not require the request. This procedure may be related to chains and the software employed and that may vary from one provider to another. JMO

ETA - hope you are better today. :)

[close_enough]

RC and I already worked that theory last night because I think on the warrant info it says Hampton Motel not hotel. Doesn't fit with the gas station receipt for Stone Gap,Va. which is technically where the Get It Market is not Duffield. There's 14 miles difference. Can't make a match fit and I've mapped it out in every way possible I think and done numerous searches for the gas stations, motels and hotels. The Duffield one fits like a glove.

the SW says "Hotel", but i agree with you...Hampton VA doesn't 'fit'...Duffield does, but i don't think JY drove all the way to Duffield on 11/2...

[strach304]

if JY headed out on a Thursday evening, had a business meeting on Friday morning, then was going to head to his parents house for the rest of the weekend, then i don't find it odd at all that he would have more than one bag/suitcase....is that the thing here about "all sorts of luggage"???

My thing with the luggage right now is where is the warrant for it? Not listed on the SUV. I think he may have taken his family to a hotel before going to Meredith's and probably even called her from there to say he was on his way over. Has to be a seperate warrant maybe because his step father said they took the luggage as well as meds, purses, etc. Has to be another warrant right?

[scandi]

I read this at CTV, and it made sense to me, though I couldn't tell if it was from a link or from the poster: " . .The victim was found inside the family residence. The vehicle was not used to transport the body in the commission of a crime. The vehicle was returned..

I also read over there that the SW has 21 pages. Has anyone here seen this. I wonder if that's a compilation of all the SWs?

[close_enough]

My thing with the luggage right now is where is the warrant for it? Not listed on the SUV. I think he may have taken his family to a hotel before going to Meredith's and probably even called her from there to say he was on his way over. Has to be a seperate warrant maybe because his step father said they took the luggage as well as meds, purses, etc. Has to be another warrant right?

the above makes perfect sense to me...must be another warrant 'out there'

[strach304]

I've never had a problem with my key card not working Strach - right up til check out time and most of the hotels I stay at do indeed provide the receipt under the door. Some it must be requested - others do not require the request. This procedure may be related to chains and the software employed and that may vary from one provider to another. JMO

ETA - hope you are better today. :)

Still sick, thanks. The key cards are date sensitive just won't work after 11 am.

[close_enough]

Still sick, thanks. The key cards are date sensitive just won't work after 11 am.

sorry to read you're sick Strach:(

same here...got a nasty upper respiratory thing ....now i've had to add a cough suppressant to my little list of meds here....this is my 3rd day on an antibiotic, ugh...slowly but surely i'm hoping this stuff will go away...

[scandi]

That is odd Strach, as there were meds and a brown purse with attached keys listed, but no luggage. And I thought for sure the step father was angry they had taken the luggage. Remember the BinL and parents stayed at a residence type hotel {has a kitchette} when they came to Raleigh. I'm sure they made reservations before they got there. Why didn't they remnove their things from the car when they checked in? Unless it was they were expecting JY to come right back to join them. That could be why. Go get Cassidy and come right back. Except the warrant was executed at 3:15am on the 4th and the car was confiscated at 4am on the 4th.

Am I missing something? Jason gets to Bravard at 3pm on the 3rd. They get ready and head back to Raleigh - a 5 hour drive. So you would think they would get into Raleigh around 9pm. Secure their motel, and at some time Jason heads over to Merediths to get Cassidy. Why would he wait that long and go in the wee hours of the morning? So he wouldn't be spotted?

[raisincharlie]

I read this at CTV, and it made sense to me, though I couldn't tell if it was from a link or from the poster: " . .The victim was found inside the family residence. The vehicle was not used to transport the body in the commission of a crime. The vehicle was returned..

I also read over there that the SW has 21 pages. Has anyone here seen this. I wonder if that's a compilation of all the SWs?
Hey Scandi,

Hope you are having a good day.

The 21 pages relating to search warrants - the N & O link for the first 6 warrants is 21 pages. I can tell you the warrant for the SUV has more pages than the five posted at the N & O site - the inventory list is not terminated by the words "Nothing follows" - this is standard procedure so that items cannot be added to the inventory list after the fact. The same is true for the Biirchleaf warrant - there are additional unpublished pages. This may be due to the media not publishing those pages or it could be the pages have been attached to additional affidavits which are possibly sealed.

As for the statement you quoted - no idea where that comes from - the act of placing items related to a crime inside the vehicle makes the vehicle a part of the crime - not sure what transport of a body has to do with anything relating to this case. As we know from past cases, this statement is not true as Peterson (S) definitely used his truck to transport a body. That vehicle was returned at the request of a motion filed by Geragos. In this case - the reports identify JYs lawyer as filing a request as well. Seems reasonable to release the vehicle as any useable forensics would have been collected at this time. I think people are trying to decide if this means there was something or nothing of evidentiary value found in the vehicle. Speculation IMO

:)

[strach304]

I don't know Scandi. Wouldn't he have also talked to LE when they took the vehicle? Harrison says he talked to LE by phone right? Somebody else drove to Meredith's with the SUV to pick up Cassidy maybe? Does the warrant specify who they took it from? Took the papers showing registration.

Also it was a wallet with keys attached in the SUV warrant and not purses like the step father said. Could be two of those for the mother and sister. How about cell phones? Didn't the step father say cell phones too? Doesn't make sense that Jason would've left his lap top and cell phones in the SUV but unpacked luggage if someone else went to get Cassidy from Meredith.

[close_enough]

That is odd Strach, as there were meds and a brown purse with attached keys listed, but no luggage. And I thought for sure the step father was angry they had taken the luggage. Remember the BinL and parents stayed at a residence type hotel {has a kitchette} when they came to Raleigh. I'm sure they made reservations before they got there. Why didn't they remnove their things from the car when they checked in? Unless it was they were expecting JY to come right back to join them. That could be why. Go get Cassidy and come right back. Except the warrant was executed at 3:15am on the 4th and the car was confiscated at 4am on the 4th.

Am I missing something? Jason gets to Bravard at 3pm on the 3rd. They get ready and head back to Raleigh - a 5 hour drive. So you would think they would get into Raleigh around 9pm. Secure their motel, and at some time Jason heads over to Merediths to get Cassidy. Why would he wait that long and go in the wee hours of the morning? So he wouldn't be spotted?

you're not missing anything Scandi...sure wish we knew for sure what time JY arrived in Brevard....wish we knew what time the business meeting was, & if Michelle's friend saw JY leaving the evening of 11/2 while they were getting ready to watch Grey's Anatomy....so much we just don't know...it's so frustrating....there's so many pieces of this puzzle still 'out there'.....

eta...heck, about ALL of this puzzle is 'out there', ugh....

[Samiya]

What if JY told friends he left to get his head start and he "spoke with Michelle at 11 pm and all was fine". Wouldn't they assume it was via telephone? JY could have been in the house at 11 pm and maybe all was fine at that point...far fetched but possible.Now that I've had some sleep, lol.....

The '11pm call'. News reports keep going back to the last time Michelle was known to have been alive......around 10:30pm 11/2. That is reported as being 'fact'.

If the phone call was found to have been true, I would think that 'the last time' would've changed from 'around 10:30pm' to 'Youngs husband last spoke to his wife at 11pm on the 11/2' as that would have then become 'fact' partaining to the last time anyone knew that Chelle was alive, therefore extending the previous time by half an hour.

Sami

[raisincharlie]

I don't know Scandi. Wouldn't he have also talked to LE when they took the vehicle? Harrison says he talked to LE by phone right? Somebody else drove to Meredith's with the SUV to pick up Cassidy maybe? Does the warrant specify who they took it from? Took the papers showing registration.

Also it was a wallet with keys attached in the SUV warrant and not purses like the step father said. Could be two of those for the mother and sister. How about cell phones? Didn't the step father say cell phones too? Doesn't make sense that Jason would've left his lap top and cell phones in the SUV but unpacked luggage if someone else went to get Cassidy from Meredith.
Strach,

The warrant does not indicate who they took the vehicle from, only that it was being detained at MF's residence. The registration papers are referenced, verifying JY as the owner and the VIN number of the vehicle.

[close_enough]

Now that I've had some sleep, lol.....

The '11pm call'. News reports keep going back to the last time Michelle was known to have been alive......around 10:30pm 11/2. That is reported as being 'fact'.

If the phone call was found to have been true, I would think that 'the last time' would've changed from 'around 10:30pm' to 'Youngs husband last spoke to his wife at 11pm on the 11/2' as that would have then become 'fact' partaining to the last time anyone knew that Chelle was alive, therefore extending the previous time by half an hour.

Sami

got me thinking here, Sami......

[close_enough]

Strach,

The warrant does not indicate who they took the vehicle from, only that it was being detained at MF's residence. The registration papers are referenced, verifying JY as the owner and the VIN number of the vehicle.

very good point there RC!....we don't even know for sure if it was JY that actually drove over to pick up Cassidy at MF's house....

[close_enough]

help me out here, please RC.....

the word "detained"...how do you take this?...let's say someone drove JY's SUV over to MF's house...which might have been 9 or 10, or 11 pm, right??...LE was there & noticed these 'spots' on/in the vehicle....do you think this means that at THAT point, LE "detained" the vehicle, then went on about getting the SW, & came back in the wee hours of the morning to seize it????

[raisincharlie]

very good point there RC!....we don't even know for sure if it was JY that actually drove over to pick up Cassidy at MF's house....
I checked WRAL link, the N & O link as well as Carolina 14 - WRAL had redacted the first set of warrants to remove names. This warrant - there are no obvious redactions - no people mentioned by name except JY as the owner and the police officers involved.

[otto]

My questions as of now is; where is the luggage? Why are we still suspecting Jason physically did this? It's starting to look impossible to me. Although much of his alibi looked completely contrived if everything checks out he couldn't physically have done it.

I've been skeptical about the luggage rumour from the beginning, but it does present as a nice premise from which to build a theory about a marriage on the rocks. If there were 2-3 large pieces of luggage, then they were left in Brevard and Jason had no intention of returning home. That's a big piece of circumstantial evidence and it would surprise me if Jason would plan everything and then make that mistake. Believing the luggage story means believing that Jason left the house around 8:30. The rumoured phone call must be a story from Jason because the phone records aren't public. If he checked into a hotel and made the call home at 11, then he was 2 hours from home. If he was 3 hours from home, then he had to leave before 8 to check in and make the 11 o'clock call.

I'm wondering about Meredith's house belonging to her mom. I think her website said that she had just bought her own house. I suppose that maybe she didn't qualify for the loans and her mom didn't want to guarantee the loan without being on title ... but it looks like Meredith simply doesn't own the house. This also means that Meredith is not tied to Raleigh like I originally thought, meaning she can stay closer to Brevard and maintain contact with Cassidy.

[raisincharlie]

help me out here, please RC.....

the word "detained"...how do you take this?...let's say someone drove JY's SUV over to MF's house...which might have been 9 or 10, or 11 pm, right??...LE was there & noticed these 'spots' on/in the vehicle....do you think this means that at THAT point, LE "detained" the vehicle, then went on about getting the SW, & came back in the wee hours of the morning to seize it????
I take that as LE had made up their minds to take the vehicle just as they took MYs and MF's - it would be standard procedure actually - even if JY said he was out of town. Detained basically says to me, the occupants were asked to leave the vehicle and were not allowed access upon departure from the vehicle. The vehicle would have been secured against contamination from that point forward.

Based on the timing of the events described in the warrant - I would be very surprised if the vehicle was at the location much before observation of it began. IMO the vehicle may have arrived at 1115 at the earliest based on the fact it took 50 minutes from the time the warrant was signed until it was executed. If there was no detective at the scene to do the inspection - it may have taken that much time to notify one and for them to get there if that makes sense. JMO

[jilly]

Hi Jilly,

I just don't know. All I know, is that it seemed strange to me.

With what little I could find out, there are lots of "Hampton Hotels" in VA, not even affiliated with Hampton Inn or Suites, as it is known here.


Happy Sleuthing, this one is a bit¢h!

That's interesting and I'll definitely take your word for it. Thank you for that info. Funny how things here cannot be straight forward - I think these cops should have to put down the address of the hotels for us :D I just googled Hampton Hotel and I see there is a City in Va called Hampton and it gets even more confusing :crazy:

[philamena]

At one time Hampton Inns were owned and operated by Holiday Inn. But that may have changed. :doh: And yes there is a Hampton, VA and yes there are Hampton Inn's in Hampton VA that are NOT affiliated with the city.:p
It is a little confusing.

[close_enough]

I take that as LE had made up their minds to take the vehicle just as they took MYs and MF's - it would be standard procedure actually - even if JY said he was out of town. Detained basically says to me, the occupants were asked to leave the vehicle and were not allowed access upon departure from the vehicle. The vehicle would have been secured against contamination from that point forward.

Based on the timing of the events described in the warrant - I would be very surprised if the vehicle was at the location much before observation of it began. IMO the vehicle may have arrived at 1115 at the earliest based on the fact it took 50 minutes from the time the warrant was signed until it was executed. If there was no detective at the scene to do the inspection - it may have taken that much time to notify one and for them to get there if that makes sense. JMO

where are you getting the 50 minutes from???...i'm lost, sorry...

[strach304]

Some more twisted thoughts from me; we don't know the time on the gas receipts or location of the hotel so:

1. 11/2 gas in raleigh could be coming or going.
2. 11/3 gas in Stone Gap, Va. morning, aft. or eve.?
3. 11/2 hotel receipt- night before?

I thought of a way to manipulate the date on the hotel receipt for it to appear that he checked in on 11/2 when actually it was the am hours of 11/2 regardless of the location. Night audit starts at anytime after 12:00 am but normally would be started at 2 to 3 am. If a guest checks in at that time or after but before 11 am it's dated for the next day. Need to account for his time and place the day before same with the gas receipts.

The 11/3 gas receipt near Duffield could be in the am after driving all night? Obviously these are the receipts that we know about because they were made to be accesible?

[close_enough]

At one time Hampton Inns were owned and operated by Holiday Inn.