Michelle Young, Pregnant Mom, Murdered NC Part 10

[Samiya]

:eek: A new thread, lol.

Praying praying praying for new news.

Sami.

[close_enough]

checked the last thread & i see there was nothing new as of yesterday...hot coffee here....

[MREG2]

Fran, the guy you are talking about is Mel Ignatow. The crime happened right here in Louisville, KY. The SOB is now free, walking the streets. He was released from prison sometime in Nov or Dec. He was staying with his son not too far from me and people were outraged that he even came back here. They interviewed his son and he said that his father (some father) was just tying up some loose ends and would be on his way. The son is also sickened by the people's outrage saying that his "father served his time and the community should get over it." OMG!!! I was so p*ssed to read that statement. That POS only served time for perjury NOT for TORTURING and MURDERING the Brenda. And the community should get over it?!?!?! Whatever.

Sorry for hijacking this thread....

[Samiya]

People magazine to feature an article on Michelle

Raleigh — People magazine plans to feature a local high-profile murder case in an upcoming issue.

Michelle Young, 29, was found beaten to death in her Wake County home Nov. 3. She was pregnant at the time of her death, and her 2-year-old daughter was found unharmed by her side.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1132362/

Sami

[jilly]

Great to hear Sami - thanks for posting this. I doubt there will be much content but at least someone is stepping up to give this case some exposure!!

[scandi]

Hi guys,

That is great news. It also says it might be as early as this weekend when that issue hits the stands. Maybe they will have some good photos.

[panthera]

People magazine to feature an article on Michelle

Raleigh — People magazine plans to feature a local high-profile murder case in an upcoming issue.

Michelle Young, 29, was found beaten to death in her Wake County home Nov. 3. She was pregnant at the time of her death, and her 2-year-old daughter was found unharmed by her side.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1132362/

SamiThanks for posting the story and I definitely will be buying that issue! ;)

[Samiya]

Thanks for posting the story and I definitely will be buying that issue! ;)Can someone buy me a copy too? I'd be happy to pay for it and postage to Australia :) (Lol, anyone have paypal)

I don't think we get that mag over here.........unless is the one with all the boobies in it, lol. I think that's the only People mag we get here and if I bought one of those my DH will be a wunderen, lmao!.

Sami

[Taximom]

Hi guys, I saw the cover of the new People on one of those E shows tonight (last night) and it's the cover story!!! Yay! I hope Jason and his family feel some pressure now. I hope Cassidy doesn't see the magazine in a store somewhere. :(

Edited because I didn't see the cover originally on the WRAL site. Oops!

[Taximom]

Can someone buy me a copy too? I'd be happy to pay for it and postage to Australia :) (Lol, anyone have paypal)

I don't think we get that mag over here.........unless is the one with all the boobies in it, lol. I think that's the only People mag we get here and if I bought one of those my DH will be a wunderen, lmao!.

Sami
I'll get you one, Sami. Let me clean out my pm's and we can work out the details-addy and such.

[raisincharlie]

People magazine to feature an article on Michelle

Raleigh — People magazine plans to feature a local high-profile murder case in an upcoming issue.

Michelle Young, 29, was found beaten to death in her Wake County home Nov. 3. She was pregnant at the time of her death, and her 2-year-old daughter was found unharmed by her side.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1132362/

Sami
Here's a bit more info about the People Mag article, according to this article anonymous sources provided info which implicates JY - maybe a teaser:

http://www.newsobserver.com/141/story/531184.html

Don't know but of course there is the other side - perfect husband who loved his wife...sounds familiar. JMO

[Bobbisangel]

I wish they would just arrested his sorry butt.

[less0305]

How did I completely miss the $1million life insurance policy?? I heard this on NBC this morning and I nearly fell out. I have not read or heard that before this morning. Can someone point me to information about this?

[packerdog]

How did I completely miss the $1million life insurance policy?? I heard this on NBC this morning and I nearly fell out. I have not read or heard that before this morning. Can someone point me to information about this?

Well that says alot. Million $ life insurance on someone so young, wonder when it was taken out. Where were those insurance papers found? Were they in the SUV?

[Floh]

Is it really above normal? a $1m premium nowadays?

i think i read it cost something like $500 per annum. but i've been mistaken before. and likely will be again. :truce:

when you lose a working partner, not only is it tragic personally, but also financially. so thinking about it, $1m isn't the riches it once was.

BUT, it may be enough to save someone's butt who has gotten themselves into a tricky financial situation, for sure.

[less0305]

Well that says alot. Million $ life insurance on someone so young, wonder when it was taken out. Where were those insurance papers found? Were they in the SUV?

This morning on the Today show someone stated the fact that the husband took out $1 million life insurance policy three months before her death gave the police suspicion he was involved in her death. I had never heard that before this morning. Has anyone else heard or read that - that a life insurance policy for $1 million was taken out three months before her death?

[Scout]

This morning on the Today show someone stated the fact that the husband took out $1 million life insurance policy three months before her death gave the police suspicion he was involved in her death. I had never heard that before this morning. Has anyone else heard or read that - that a life insurance policy for $1 million was taken out three months before her death?

One of the "insiders" posted at CTV that they had both taken out $1 million life insurance policies recently -- within the last year, IIRC. Not sure it was specified as being three months prior to murder, but that would coincide with when Jason started working for ChartOne.

[packerdog]

This morning on the Today show someone stated the fact that the husband took out $1 million life insurance policy three months before her death gave the police suspicion he was involved in her death. I had never heard that before this morning. Has anyone else heard or read that - that a life insurance policy for $1 million was taken out three months before her death?

Thanks for the info Less. I guess it's not so much the amount of the policy but only 3 months ago is a red flag. I have to wonder how much insurance Jason has on himself.

[packerdog]

One of the "insiders" posted at CTV that they had both taken out $1 million life insurance policies recently -- within the last year, IIRC. Not sure it was specified as being three months prior to murder, but that would coincide with when Jason started working for ChartOne.

And right after he he had an affair with MM.

[FactsareFacts]

Thanks for the info Less. I guess it's not so much the amount of the policy but only 3 months ago is a red flag. I have to wonder how much insurance Jason has on himself.
Three months ago is when he started his new job. Sounds like maybe something to do with that.

[FactsareFacts]

And right after he he had an affair with MM.

I thought they got together in Sept.? Three months before the murder would be the begining of August wouldn't it?:confused:

[Samiya]

This morning on the Today show someone stated the fact that the husband took out $1 million life insurance policy three months before her death gave the police suspicion he was involved in her death. I had never heard that before this morning. Has anyone else heard or read that - that a life insurance policy for $1 million was taken out three months before her death?mmmmm........

3 months before Chele's death....

MM
+
Insurance policy

what next? 3 months in planning? Would explain why Duffield was chosen on route to Bravardo, oops Brevard.

susPISHass :bang:

Sami

[Samiya]

I thought they got together in Sept.? Three months before the murder would be the begining of August wouldn't it?:confused:Yes, August.

Sami

[Taximom]

Three months ago is when he started his new job. Sounds like maybe something to do with that.
Why would getting a new job affect your spouse's life insurance, FactsareFacts? Other than MY being listed as a beneficiary on any life insurance rec'd through work, I can't see how this would affect it. I'm just wondering out loud, Facts!

Gosh, if you can get 1mill for about $500 per year, hubby and I are seriously doing something wrong. We are paying more than that for WAY less than 1 mill. Hmm. :cool:

When I worked, I had a large insurance policy through my job. Now that I'm "just" a homemaker.... I wonder what is typical nowadays for younger, working couples with children.

Anyway, nothing will surprise me about insurance in this case. I will be interested if there were changes or additions made by him prior to that car "accident".

Does anyone remember a case where the wife was murdered and the girlfriend of the husband actually went w/him to the insurance agency to take out increased life insurance on the wife, prior to her murder? She signed as the wife and everything. They got caught, of course.

If Michelle Money had anything to do with this, I'm guessing she would have brought that up by now.

Sorry, rambling.

[Samiya]

I'll get you one, Sami. Let me clean out my pm's and we can work out the details-addy and such.Thanks hon,

Close beat you to it. But I really appreciate your offer :)

Hugs
Sami
xxx

[Taximom]

Thanks hon,

Close beat you to it. But I really appreciate your offer :)

Hugs
Sami
xxx
No problem, Sami! Close must be feeling better!

[Samiya]

Okes,

I've done some calculations going on the 'possibility of Jason being the perp' and backtracking.

I'll type it up :)

Sami

[wufdude]

bad link removed

not that this was unexpected but new news anyway....

thanks for the repost...

[Samiya]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1133617/

Thought I'd repost the link so it'll work :)

Thanks WufDude :)

Sami

[Floh]

http://http://wral.com/news/local/story/1133617/

not that this was unexpected but new news anyway....


Authorities: Youngs in Financial Trouble Before Slaying

Michelle and Jason Young were in financial straits before she was beaten to death two months ago, according to a court document obtained by WRAL.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1133617/

Things are moving on, then!

[Floh]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1133617/

Thought I'd repost the link so it'll work :)

Thanks WufDude :)

Sami

Ha! we're the business!

thanks for the heads up, WufDude! :)

[Floh]

not that this was unexpected but new news anyway....

I agree this wasn't unexpected, but it is confirmation of suspicions.

[less0305]

It also mentions the $1 to $2 million insurance policy. Doesn't say when it was taken out, but says it's a rather large policy.

[Samiya]

Some of the credit for this goes to Scout and Raisin :)

If Jason *doubled back* after originally leaving Thursday night this gets quite interesting. These are 'straight runs' times, ie without stopping. Just points on the maps. Of course stops extend the times.

Raleigh via Duffield to Brevard is a total 7 hours 32. If a 'straight run' he would've left Raleigh around 7:30am Friday 3rd. He'd be in Duffield around 12:20pm, arriving in Brevard around 3pm.

If he had gone (comparitive example) via Danville, thanks RaisinCharlie.

Raleigh via Danville via Duffield to Brevard is a total of 8 hours 33 minutes. If a 'straight run' he would've left Raleigh around 6:30am Friday 3nd. He would've been in Danville around 8am, then in Duffield around 12:20pm, then Brevard around 3pm.

Now.....If Jason 'back tracked', then we can probably say that there was no business meeting as there's no way he could fit one in if he arrived in Brevard around 3pm. Even leaving earlier in the am by 3 to 4 hours would leave no time for a meeting....but would leave time to clean up at a motel/hotel. But leaving the night before, or even afternoon before would giev him plenty of rest for what lay ahead.

yep, my brain cells are now officially dead lol.

All JMO :) well except the brain cells part, lol.

Sami

[Samiya]

OMG... :banghead:

The "document" they're quoting is the Non Testimonial Order.

Read closely :)

Sami

[Floh]

OMG... :banghead:

The "document" they're quoting is the Non Testimonial Order.

Read closely :)

Sami

I'm a thicko — what does Non Testimonial Order mean, please?

[Samiya]

Seems like no-one wants to be scooped, check this one

http://www.newsobserver.com/1413/story/531283.html

And it basically confirms my opinion that the 'document' referred to is the Non Testimonial order.

Sami

[Samiya]

I'm a thicko — what does Non Testimonial Order mean, please?It's an order which allows them to collect forensic evidence without interviewing him.

And by the sounds of the article I just posted she struggled with her attacker.

He might be arrested before People comes out, lol.

Sami

[raisincharlie]

It's an order which allows them to collect forensic evidence without interviewing him.

And by the sounds of the article I just posted she struggled with her attacker.

He might be arrested before People comes out, lol.

Sami


If you check the link:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1133617/

and go down a ways to the right there is a link for "The request for Evidence"

This is the order and it is very interesting.

[Floh]

It's an order which allows them to collect forensic evidence without interviewing him.

And by the sounds of the article I just posted she struggled with her attacker.

He might be arrested before People comes out, lol.

Sami


Thank you and let's hope so. i'm sorry Cassidy seems about to lose her remaining parent, but it would be no life for her to be stuck with a man who murdered her mother. if, indeed, he did so.

ther would have been something solid reported which would redeem him of suspicion by now, i believe.

[pack_fan]

The order gives a lot of detail. Signs of struggle, footprints and possible dna left at the scene. I tend to beleive that forensics is coming back with the release of the vehicle and also the testimonial evidence released. I think that an arrest could be soon. Hope so for Michelle and her family.

I think the footprints will be significant. JY is a big man. This would definately rule out a lot of people. His footprints would not be mistaken for female.

Also signs of a struggle, in the testimonial order gives reason for body photographs, hair and other forms of dna.

Did anyone else catch the fact that the testimonial order also included pubic hair? I thought this was rather strange and would imagine that it would only be requested if they found some at the scene.

[raisincharlie]

From the NTO


" Crime scene indicates possible struggle between victim and perpertrator, which could have resulted in injuries to the perpertrator, which injuries, or evidence thereof, may heal, or become undetectable over time."

[Samiya]

If you check the link:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1133617/

and go down a ways to the right there is a link for "The request for Evidence"

This is the order and it is very interesting.Lol, no need to go there. I have a print out on my desk :)

Good to see everyone here.....and glad of some news too

Sami
xxx

[raisincharlie]

Lol, no need to go there. I have a print out on my desk :)

Good to see everyone here.....and glad of some news too

Sami
xxxYou better watch out ! Those "print outs" could be deadly :eek:

I don't think some fellow posters saw that link off to the side...just in case!

[Samiya]

Did anyone else catch the fact that the testimonial order also included pubic hair? I thought this was rather strange and would imagine that it would only be requested if they found some at the scene.It's not unusual to gather pubic hair for evidence....there ae some hubby's who fake a sexual assault...who have absolutely NO idea that they'll get plucked, lol. (actually combed, but if none come out....they are plucked)

Hand me a bowl of wax and I'll do Jas properly :)

Sami

[jilly]

Wow. Footprints and skin cell evidence, possible injuries to JY. This is BIG. Thanks you guys!!

[packerdog]

It's good to see some new news coming out. Now I wonder about the sun glasses.

[Samiya]

You better watch out ! Those "print outs" could be deadly :eek:

I'm safe, my hubby's at work and my house is well armed :) We have interior and exterior alarms. The person would have to be under 2 ft tall to get around the exterior alarms and all the door locks and handles are 4 ft plus window bottom ledges are 3ft off the ground.

He won't be sneaking back in in a hurry, lol.

Sami

[jilly]

It's good to see some new news coming out. Now I wonder about the sun glasses.

Me too packerdog. I still can't get over all the men wearing sunglasses either as if to coverup so to speak with JY. If he did have some scratches or whatever to his eye, surely his family must be a little nervous.

[pack_fan]

It's not unusual to gather pubic hair for evidence....there ae some hubby's who fake a sexual assault...who have absolutely NO idea that they'll get plucked, lol. (actually combed, but if none come out....they are plucked)

Hand me a bowl of wax and I'll do Jas properly :)

Sami
I guess if I was going to play devil's advocate for a minute, a sexual assault could explain a lot. I had sort of discredited the sexual assault thing but it could explain some questions I had. I thought the perp had just the intention of coming in the house with murder in mind. That would narrow the list of suspects rather quickly.

Although I have no reason to suspect that the reports are wrong, I wonder how LE can state so quickly that they were having financial difficulties. I doubt that they had pulled financial records so quickly to determine the Young's net worth. Just because they lived in a big house doesn't mean they had financial problems. They had two houses, not just one. I just have a hard time beleiving that she would be considering cutting back time at work if they were barely scraping by as is.

As for the LI, a million isn't that much considering the two houses, they probably both had student loans, two cars, and a second child on the way. That could wipe out a million quickly. The timing of the insurance is suspicious for sure but also they had recently found out that she was pregnant again. Upping the life insurance could have been necessary.

The circumstancial evidence is somewhat overwhelming. The timing of the insurance, out of town, fax-printout, no forced entry, everything. I can say this, either he did it, or he is the unluckiest person alive.....

[raisincharlie]

I guess if I was going to play devil's advocate for a minute, a sexual assault could explain a lot. I had sort of discredited the sexual assault thing but it could explain some questions I had. I thought the perp had just the intention of coming in the house with murder in mind. That would narrow the list of suspects rather quickly.

Although I have no reason to suspect that the reports are wrong, I wonder how LE can state so quickly that they were having financial difficulties. I doubt that they had pulled financial records so quickly to determine the Young's net worth. Just because they lived in a big house doesn't mean they had financial problems. They had two houses, not just one. I just have a hard time beleiving that she would be considering cutting back time at work if they were barely scraping by as is.

As for the LI, a million isn't that much considering the two houses, they probably both had student loans, two cars, and a second child on the way. That could wipe out a million quickly. The timing of the insurance is suspicious for sure but also they had recently found out that she was pregnant again. Upping the life insurance could have been necessary.

The circumstancial evidence is somewhat overwhelming. The timing of the insurance, out of town, fax-printout, no forced entry, everything. I can say this, either he did it, or he is the unluckiest person alive.....LE did remove documents from the house on the first day - they had 20 officers working on it as I recall I don't think it is beyond the realm of possibility of knowing the financial status very quickly. Perhaps MF or LF were aware of it through conversations with MY as well.

Something tells me MY was aware of it, and it wasn't because they were living beyond their means IMO. I have wondered why after the accident JY was driving a 2004 ford - just one thought.

I can see uping the insurance when she was pregnant back in the spring - but to up it again 3 months before her murder does not make sense IMO.

[less0305]

Did anyone else catch the fact that the testimonial order also included pubic hair? I thought this was rather strange and would imagine that it would only be requested if they found some at the scene.

If this occurred in the bedroom and pubic hairs were found (which should be normal in a bedroom), I'm sure they would collect his to match against all pubic hair found in order to rule out that anybody else was in the home. Imagine if they found pubic hair and didn't do testing on it to determine if it was his or not his. A defense attorney would jump on that and say - oh, they didn't test it. It could be from an intruder that they never checked out.

[pack_fan]

If this occurred in the bedroom and pubic hairs were found (which should be normal in a bedroom), I'm sure they would collect his to match against all pubic hair found in order to rule out that anybody else was in the home. Imagine if they found pubic hair and didn't do testing on it to determine if it was his or not his. A defense attorney would jump on that and say - oh, they didn't test it. It could be from an intruder that they never checked out.
Makes perfect sense, thanks.

[panthera]

It also mentions the $1 to $2 million insurance policy. Doesn't say when it was taken out, but says it's a rather large policy.And that she planned to cut back on work after her maternity leave. The home value is listed at $379,000, purchased in May 2005, but that still doesn't explain the need for a $1-2million life insurance policy.
:waitasec:

[panthera]

Something tells me MY was aware of it, and it wasn't because they were living beyond their means IMO. I have wondered why after the accident JY was driving a 2004 ford - just one thought.

I can see uping the insurance when she was pregnant back in the spring - but to up it again 3 months before her murder does not make sense IMO.Do we know what type of vehicle they were driving when that accident occurred? I still think something might be true about the rumor of online gambling or such ~ in other words, a debt that Michelle didn't incur.

[Samiya]

And that she planned to cut back on work after her maternity leave. The home value is listed at $379,000, purchased in May 2005, but that still doesn't explain the need for a $1-2million life insurance policy.
:waitasec:The house may have had a mortgage on it. Part of a post I just put up at ctv..

Michelle alone would've had to had a "HUGE" income to be paying off a house of that expense, plus rates, regular bills, Cassidy's needs (daycare costs etc)......to to top it all off, her hubby is away "apparently" 3 to 4 nights a week according to some person.

Now if he was away like that and it was never actually on business....bye bye finances.....

Sami

[panthera]

The house may have had a mortgage on it. Part of a post I just put up at ctv..

Michelle alone would've had to had a "HUGE" income to be paying off a house of that expense, plus rates, regular bills, Cassidy's needs (daycare costs etc)......to to top it all off, her hubby is away "apparently" 3 to 4 nights a week according to some person.

Now if he was away like that and it was never actually on business....bye bye finances.....

Sami
You're right, Michelle's income alone wouldn't support a home like that, with all the accompanying bills. And we don't know exactly how much Jason was earning, but wouldn't his expenses for travel be covered by his employer? Or as you say, he may not have been "away at business" all the time, and Michelle found out? At any rate, it sure looks now like he is the one who committed this murder.

[fran]

I was sooo glad to see that they took photographs of his body. I kept thinking that IF he was the perp, any injuries he may have sustained would be healed. But, it looks like they got to him early. Good!

IMHO, there's much going on behind the scenes. I just wish they'd hurry up! :doh:

JMHO
fran


http://www.wral.com/news/local/flash/1133639/


"Photographs of body (injuries to body),..."


..............snip................


"There is probable cause to believe that an offense punishable as a felony or a Class A1 or Class 1 misdemeanor has been committed and reasonable grounds to suspect that the person named or described above committed the offense. The results of the requested non testimonial identification procedures will be of material aid in determining whether this person committed the offense."

[pack_fan]

I was sooo glad to see that they took photographs of his body. I kept thinking that IF he was the perp, any injuries he may have sustained would be healed. But, it looks like they got to him early. Good!

IMHO, there's much going on behind the scenes. I just wish they'd hurry up! :doh:

JMHO
fran


http://www.wral.com/news/local/flash/1133639/


"Photographs of body (injuries to body),..."


..............snip................


"There is probable cause to believe that an offense punishable as a felony or a Class A1 or Class 1 misdemeanor has been committed and reasonable grounds to suspect that the person named or described above committed the offense. The results of the requested non testimonial identification procedures will be of material aid in determining whether this person committed the offense."
I agree that there is a lot more going on behind the scenes.

IMO, LE has all the pieces of the puzzle right there in front of them if JY is the perp. The news and observer article says that the evidence collected was to COMPARE against evidence found at the scene. So they do have dna at the scene, just have to match it. There will be a lot more presented at trial but the dna alone, assuming it is under her fingernails or possibly on something she used to protect herself, should be enough to convict.

[fran]

I can't find the link now that included a statement by local LE, but it basically said LE believe they know who did this crime and they will solve it. They are just gathering evidence and when they have enough to make an arrest they will. They just aren't there yet.

So, I guess we'll just have to continue to have patience and know LE is doing their job. :snooty:

FWIW, IMHO, I do believe $1 million is excessive insurance in this case. Enough to cover paying of the house off, maybe, but a million, no way!

I believe on the policy being between $1 to $2 million is because it MAY have a double indemnity clause for accidental death. Oh, and MURDER is considered 'accidental' so it would probably be $2 million.

I highly doubt the insurance company has paid a dime on this yet, especially due to the husband being a POI, as LE is indicating.

Guess JY didn't watch the SP case. :slap: The insurance company put the $$ in a 'trust account' until after the trial. SP never collected a dime and neither did his family.

JMHO
fran

[fran]

I agree that there is a lot more going on behind the scenes.

IMO, LE has all the pieces of the puzzle right there in front of them if JY is the perp. The news and observer article says that the evidence collected was to COMPARE against evidence found at the scene. So they do have dna at the scene, just have to match it. There will be a lot more presented at trial but the dna alone, assuming it is under her fingernails or possibly on something she used to protect herself, should be enough to convict.


I bet you're right. I imagine she probably did scratch the perp. IF it's JY's dna under her nails, he's toast! ;)

FWIW and as horrible as it sounds, I've always told my girls that if they're ever attacked, no matter what, scratch the SOB. At least, IF they don't survive, there's evidence of who did it.

JMHO
fran

[raisincharlie]

Do we know what type of vehicle they were driving when that accident occurred? I still think something might be true about the rumor of online gambling or such ~ in other words, a debt that Michelle didn't incur.
A 2004 Mitsubishi

[raisincharlie]

I bet you're right. I imagine she probably did scratch the perp. IF it's JY's dna under her nails, he's toast! ;)

FWIW and as horrible as it sounds, I've always told my girls that if they're ever attacked, no matter what, scratch the SOB. At least, IF they don't survive, there's evidence of who did it.

JMHO
franI'm wondering if there was a broken wedding photo and perhaps the perp cut his foot on it. I am intrigued by the footprint and measurements taken of JY. Almost makes me think he did cleanup in the home and stepped in (at least partially) something (i.e.blood) when stripping down and did not realize it.

No point in measuring his foot against Cassidy's prints, I doubt Meredith was barefoot when she came by, did MY have big feet ? So might be some other reason they want his foot print and measurements...unless the other perp is a bare foot killer. JMO

ETA - perhaps our mystery machine ? http://www.officer.com/article/article.jsp?id=29886&siteSection=18

[packerdog]

I can't find the link now that included a statement by local LE, but it basically said LE believe they know who did this crime and they will solve it. They are just gathering evidence and when they have enough to make an arrest they will. They just aren't there yet.

So, I guess we'll just have to continue to have patience and know LE is doing their job. :snooty:

FWIW, IMHO, I do believe $1 million is excessive insurance in this case. Enough to cover paying of the house off, maybe, but a million, no way!

I believe on the policy being between $1 to $2 million is because it MAY have a double indemnity clause for accidental death. Oh, and MURDER is considered 'accidental' so it would probably be $2 million.

I highly doubt the insurance company has paid a dime on this yet, especially due to the husband being a POI, as LE is indicating.

Guess JY didn't watch the SP case. :slap: The insurance company put the $$ in a 'trust account' until after the trial. SP never collected a dime and neither did his family.

JMHO
fran

Hi Fran, I think the amount of the insurance is excessive too. I am sure she has life insurance through the company she works for, it wouldn't,be that much though, unless she added to it. I also find it odd that it was taken out 3 months ago. She had been with the company 3years or so. Where were the LI papers found? I had heard that they were in the SUV but that might be a rumor.

[packerdog]

I'm wondering if there was a broken wedding photo and perhaps the perp cut his foot on it. I am intrigued by the footprint and measurements taken of JY. Almost makes me think he did cleanup in the home and stepped in (at least partially) something (i.e.blood) when stripping down and did not realize it.

No point in measuring his foot against Cassidy's prints, I doubt Meredith was barefoot when she came by, did MY have big feet ? So might be some other reason they want his foot print and measurements...unless the other perp is a bare foot killer. JMO

Good thoughts on the footprints Charlie. Maybe they have a shoeless house (like I do) . An intruder wouldn't know that and wouldn't take off his shoes anyway. I have to laugh, years ago I had white carpeting in the living room and I had vacuumed it in perfect rows, I could tell if anyone walked in the room. That was always checked first when we returned from vacation.LOL

[Floh]

As for the LI, a million isn't that much considering the two houses, they probably both had student loans, two cars, and a second child on the way. That could wipe out a million quickly. The timing of the insurance is suspicious for sure but also they had recently found out that she was pregnant again. Upping the life insurance could have been necessary.

that's what i feel. these days, $1m really doesn't go far. considering expenses as far as home, childcare and schooling, etc. are concerned. IMO.

[panthera]

A 2004 Mitsubi****hanks raisincharlie. I don't think it's odd that he has a 2004 Explorer now though ~ especially if he was supposed to be travelling on business.

[scandi]

Great news coming out today, finally! Thanks guys.

In the non-protective order it implied they found evidence that told them JY was the perp. Anyone have any idea what this could have been? They wouldn't be able to look at footprints and tell they were from his shoes. Maybe she was not dressed from the waist down with only a top as we heard from someone. and something was done to her down there. Possibility if it had to do with the pregnancy.

Hey! Today is the day that RPD goes to look at the death photos. I'm interested to see what he reports.

[panthera]

Good thoughts on the footprints Charlie. Maybe they have a shoeless house (like I do) . An intruder wouldn't know that and wouldn't take off his shoes anyway. I have to laugh, years ago I had white carpeting in the living room and I had vacuumed it in perfect rows, I could tell if anyone walked in the room. That was always checked first when we returned from vacation.LOLYou're right and the type of carpeting in the house would matter, for instance if it were a thick plush or not. Shoe prints could flatten the pile of the carpet.

[fran]

Great news coming out today, finally! Thanks guys.

In the non-protective order it implied they found evidence that told them JY was the perp. Anyone have any idea what this could have been? They wouldn't be able to look at footprints and tell they were from his shoes. Maybe she was not dressed from the waist down with only a top as we heard from someone. and something was done to her down there. Possibility if it had to do with the pregnancy.

Hey! Today is the day that RPD goes to look at the death photos. I'm interested to see what he reports.

Scandi, I don't know if it's true, but a saw somewhere that JY has large feet.

Why is RPD looking at the 'death photos?'

JMHO
fran

[fran]

Good thoughts on the footprints Charlie. Maybe they have a shoeless house (like I do) . An intruder wouldn't know that and wouldn't take off his shoes anyway. I have to laugh, years ago I had white carpeting in the living room and I had vacuumed it in perfect rows, I could tell if anyone walked in the room. That was always checked first when we returned from vacation.LOL


packerdog:
This is a little off topic but I had a friend and her parent's home had shag carpeting. Her mom used to wait up for her to get home from her dates so she could 'rake' the carpet before she went to bed! :D

fran

[raisincharlie]

Thanks raisincharlie. I don't think it's odd that he has a 2004 Explorer now though ~ especially if he was supposed to be travelling on business.Considering the accident happened in May 2006 - I don't kow why he wouldn't take the insurance money and buy a newer vehicle - especially if he was traveling a lot or expected to travel alot. I think the ford came from MY's Father's dealership - surely he could have gotten a good deal on a new vehicle. JMO

[scandi]

OMG Fran, that is too funny! :p She'd drive me nuts for sure.

They published a notice in the paper that anyone could go look at the photos as they are public info. He was going this afternoon and it is already 5pm there. Hopefully tonight we'll learn something.

I think the pubic hairs are normal to be right there. Once I read on this forum that in the average home you will find pubic hairs in every room of the house. I don't know why. Maybe they are easily transfered or blown from one area to the next.

[Floh]

I have wondered why after the accident JY was driving a 2004 ford - just one thought.


Please someone explain what may be wrong with driving a 2004 ford? does everyone get a new car yearly in the states?

[panthera]

Considering the accident happened in May 2006 - I don't kow why he wouldn't take the insurance money and buy a newer vehicle - especially if he was traveling a lot or expected to travel alot. I think the ford came from MY's Father's dealership - surely he could have gotten a good deal on a new vehicle. JMOOr an even better deal on the 2004? Not knowing how much the insurance paid for the wrecked Mitsubishi, your guess is as good as mine on this one, charlie!!

[panthera]

Please someone explain what may be wrong with driving a 2004 ford? does everyone get a new car yearly in the states?Not at all, floh!! And I'm finding it rather funny since I also have one!! :D

[raisincharlie]

Please someone explain what may be wrong with driving a 2004 ford? does everyone get a new car yearly in the states?
Nothing wrong with driving a 2004 Ford - I am simply wondering if the reason he is driving a 2004 Ford is because they simply did not have enough $ beyond the insurance payout to purchase a new one, even with an obvious discount that could have been obtained through MY's Dad. Seems reasonable to wonder about it if we are now hearing there were financial troubles - perhaps this lends a bit of credence. The wreck was in 2006 -the vehicle wrecked was a 2004 - why not just get a new one in May 2006 ?

[panthera]

Nothing wrong with driving a 2004 Ford - I am simply wondering if the reason he is driving a 2004 Ford is because they simply did not have enough $ beyond the insurance payout to purchase a new one, even with an obvious discount that could have been obtained through MY's Dad. Seems reasonable to wonder about it if we are now hearing there were financial troubles - perhaps this lends a bit of credence. The wreck was in 2006 -the vehicle wrecked was a 2004 - why not just get a new one in May 2006 ?Yes, I agree that they likely only had the insurance payout and it was more or less an even trade, even with any help they might have gotten from Michelle's father's business.

[ialy]

It also mentions the $1 to $2 million insurance policy. Doesn't say when it was taken out, but says it's a rather large policy.
Haven't read through everything yet, so sorry if this is repetitive --

We have 2 children, and have 1.5 mil insurance on my husband, less on me as he is the sole wage earner. We were told based on our chidren being young, being in fairly new mortgage, wanting to know kids college woud be covered, etc -- it is a reasonabe amount and premium is less than $700 a year on the 1.5. I woud bet it has more to do with timing if it is a new policy -- but as others have said, if it came about as a change in employment, that will be the counter argument by his side to be sure.

[packerdog]

I have a friend that has an insurance company and he said that he never insures a child for more than the parents. I wonder how much insurance they had on Cassity.

[cricket]

Why would getting a new job affect your spouse's life insurance, FactsareFacts? Other than MY being listed as a beneficiary on any life insurance rec'd through work, I can't see how this would affect it. I'm just wondering out loud, Facts!

Gosh, if you can get 1mill for about $500 per year, hubby and I are seriously doing something wrong. We are paying more than that for WAY less than 1 mill. Hmm. :cool:
I'm in HR (Human Resources) and I can tell you that many benefit plans will provide free life insurance for the employee, usually at some multiple of the person's annual salary, and also will offer additonal optional insurance - where the employee can pay for extra insurance for themselves and for family members. It is usually a good deal because it's offered at group rates and there is no qualifying for it (if you sign up when it's initially offered).

If JY did get insurance on Michelle at the time he changed jobs, it would not be all that unusual.

[pack_fan]

Alright, I'm back. Too much going on to sleuth, have to sneak some time away.

Back to the insurance policy. I am a little older than JY but have a child around the same age. Speaking to an insurance salesman (who wants you to give everything you have and name your first born after them) a million would not seem excessive to me. I will ignore the two million for the time being, that would seem like overkill to me but could be part of the accidental death and I'm not going there. Could have been quite the motive but seems there could have been plenty of motives for JY.

Just in my situation, my wife and I bought a new house. To pay off the mortgage on the house, assure college for our child, and loss of income of one of the parents would be substantial. Child care alone while one of the parents worked would be a significant amount. Raleigh is certainly not LA by any means but it would be rather expensive compared to smaller towns in the area or even major cities across the us. Raleigh is a up and coming town which has lots of bio medical and research firms in the area. NC is not the farming capital of the world like it used to be. This doesn't account for any car loans, college loans, or personal debt. Remember that there were two homes not just one. IMO, a million would let JY or MY basically break even. Probably enough to pay for Cassidy to go to college, but neither one would be living it up. Young couples out of college tend to have tons of debt and spend beyond their means. I don't think anyone here should beleive that JY would be moving to an island to live the life of the rich and famous. Not saying that it couldn't have gotten him out of a bad situation, but certainly not buying him an oceanfront pad.

I would think that the choice of vehicle would depend on what kind of deal her dad would get them. Both seemed reasonable finacially, not wanting to buy a new car to impress the neighbors.

Charlie, I keep thinking about the footprints as well. Will be very telling if the perp made a dash to the door or hung around a while. Certainly LE can determine if the perp tried to clean up or took the shoes off after the fact. I would tend to beleive that there is at least one good footprint at the scene if they are taking size measurements of his feet. This would basically exclude everyone with less than a size 11 or less from commiting this crime. Someone would have to be very clever to wear oversized shoes to commit the crime.

[otto]

Alright, I'm back. Too much going on to sleuth, have to sneak some time away.

Back to the insurance policy. I am a little older than JY but have a child around the same age. Speaking to an insurance salesman (who wants you to give everything you have and name your first born after them) a million would not seem excessive to me. I will ignore the two million for the time being, that would seem like overkill to me but could be part of the accidental death and I'm not going there. Could have been quite the motive but seems there could have been plenty of motives for JY.

Just in my situation, my wife and I bought a new house. To pay off the mortgage on the house, assure college for our child, and loss of income of one of the parents would be substantial. Child care alone while one of the parents worked would be a significant amount. Raleigh is certainly not LA by any means but it would be rather expensive compared to smaller towns in the area or even major cities across the us. Raleigh is a up and coming town which has lots of bio medical and research firms in the area. NC is not the farming capital of the world like it used to be. This doesn't account for any car loans, college loans, or personal debt. Remember that there were two homes not just one. IMO, a million would let JY or MY basically break even. Probably enough to pay for Cassidy to go to college, but neither one would be living it up. Young couples out of college tend to have tons of debt and spend beyond their means. I don't think anyone here should beleive that JY would be moving to an island to live the life of the rich and famous. Not saying that it couldn't have gotten him out of a bad situation, but certainly not buying him an oceanfront pad.

I would think that the choice of vehicle would depend on what kind of deal her dad would get them. Both seemed reasonable finacially, not wanting to buy a new car to impress the neighbors.

Charlie, I keep thinking about the footprints as well. Will be very telling if the perp made a dash to the door or hung around a while. Certainly LE can determine if the perp tried to clean up or took the shoes off after the fact. I would tend to beleive that there is at least one good footprint at the scene if they are taking size measurements of his feet. This would basically exclude everyone with less than a size 11 or less from commiting this crime. Someone would have to be very clever to wear oversized shoes to commit the crime.

I read the Porco case looking for similarities. There was absolutely no blood in the vehicle, none on the perp, no footprints, false allegations about gambling problems, long hours of driving, no forced entry, bludgeoned, financial (insurance) motive and there's probably more that I can't think of right now. Bludgeoning with an axe, like Porco, allowed him to be at least a yard/metre away from the injuries. Porco could sleep like a baby after both the murder and the conviction. Porco worked at a vet clinic and his employer testified that he gave instruction to Porco on how to bath a dog without getting wet, with the implication being that Porco could have used similar techniques to avoid blood spatter. As for wearing coveralls, I think that's very possible ... like disposable paint coveralls (http://paint-and-supplies.hardwarestore.com/47-248-painting-coveralls/disposable-coveralls-456467.aspx). Porco took 2 hours and 45 minutes to kill one person and maim another. That included staging a break-in, no robbery and coming out clean. Porco probably didn't shower because his father wasn't dead and was able to walk, so if there was someone in the shower, his father would have confronted him (evidence doesn't support that). The "no robbery" decision was made right away because Joan Porco's purse was on the table and the house wasn't ransacked. The Raleigh police probably made the same quick assumptions without needing anyone to verify whether anything was taken. I doubt Jason stayed around to shower, maybe just quickly washed up his hands and face, stripped off some coveralls and hit the road. Porco was wearing old running shoes the night before and probably threw them away after the event ... Jason probably did the same thing. What really sunk Porco was his initial statement to police and how that conflicted with evidence. Jason not giving a statement was a very smart thing to do. Porco's vehicle was caught on video and I bet that if Jason did this, he too was caught somewhere on video. It seems medical buildings often have exterior video equipment.

[ialy]

If you check the link:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1133617/

and go down a ways to the right there is a link for "The request for Evidence"

This is the order and it is very interesting.
YES!! Essentially saying it is reasonabe to consider he could have committed the felony crime of murder and that's why the request was being made -- and this was 11/11 I believe

[Samiya]

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2007-01-11-0008.html

RALEIGH, N.C. -- The November murder of Michelle Young is now on the cover of a national magazine.

Authorities still have not identified her suspected killer, leaving many questions still unanswered.

Michelle Young was found dead in her home Nov. 3. Her 2-year-old daughter was found by her side, unharmed.

Sami

[Taximom]

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2007-01-11-0008.html

RALEIGH, N.C. -- The November murder of Michelle Young is now on the cover of a national magazine.

Authorities still have not identified her suspected killer, leaving many questions still unanswered.

Michelle Young was found dead in her home Nov. 3. Her 2-year-old daughter was found by her side, unharmed.

SamiSami, thanks for this link. Excellent video, I might add. So they are just now getting back lab tests, etc. Yay.

Interesting to me is that one article says Cassidy was "found wandering around the house" and others say "found by her (MY) side". I wonder which is truth and which is a reporter's doing.

Another quote I really like:
"Wake County Sheriff Donnie Harrison told NBC17 Thursday that he's happy with the pace of the investigation and that his people are working to make sure they build a good, solid case."

The Sheriff does not say "We are working hard to find MY's killer". Nope. He says they are working on building a good, solid case.

To me, that means they have their killer. :cool:
:D

[Taximom]

Hey! Today is the day that RPD goes to look at the death photos. I'm interested to see what he reports.
Any news, scandi?

[Samiya]

Any news, scandi?Sending you a pm :)

xxx
Sami

[scandi]

Hi Taximom,

I got out of bed to go check it out, and voila those guys had been going crazee over there.

He has to be approved by the coroner before they will let him view the photos as the report is not finished yet. So that was a letdown.

Just The Facts was there and so it was an interesting discussion. He let little bombs drop, like the insurance policy wasn't purchsed only 3 mos before the death, Michelle had a lot of lovely jewelry was missing along with the jewelry drawers, mmmm what else. Oh, he knows who killed her. Says RPD is a lady cop with the Raleigh Police Dept and shouldn't be posting on a public forum. So evidently RPD and Just The Facts must know each other. JTF was very upset RPD was going to view the photos. What else Sami?

[Taximom]

I didn't think it would be available online so soon, but here it is:
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20007855,00.html

The first line got me:
Tiny footprints, made of blood, were everywhere.

EDITED: MY BAD. Just the first page there unless you subscribe to it. I thought something was up. :(

[Taximom]

Hi Taximom,

I got out of bed to go check it out, and voila those guys had been going crazee over there.

He has to be approved by the coroner before they will let him view the photos as the report is not finished yet. So that was a letdown.

Just The Facts was there and so it was an interesting discussion. He let little bombs drop, like the insurance policy wasn't purchsed only 3 mos before the death, Michelle had a lot of lovely jewelry was missing along with the jewelry drawers, mmmm what else. Oh, he knows who killed her. Says
RPD is a lady cop with the Raleigh Police Dept and shouldn't be posting on a public forum. What else Sami?(my bold)
Well, that certainly makes sense, scandi. Sorry you got out of bed for nothing, but I just posted something you might be interested in. (edited to add: never mind!)

[scandi]

At CTV? Are you kidding? It was one of the most interesting reads I've had in a long time. Lots of insiders over there. Hot discussion. I posted the question as to why JTF changed his nik to Just The Facts. I think he puts a lot of wrong info out there and has a definate agenda. Plus he loves to post and is used to doing it. Guess who I think he is? :D

[Taximom]

At CTV?
Nope, I'm a dope. I thought the entire PEOPLE mag article was online (free). Silly me. Sorry.

[scandi]

Did you find the article on line and post it? :cool: I see Charlie's been here. Bet he is pooped tonight searching for Ben all day. :hand: to you Charlie

Thanks Taximom for finding and posting that article. It is going to hit the hometown tomorrow and I think very soon we might see some real hot action in this case. I am READY ! Goona go read then hit the hay. Arthritis has hit my shoulder joint and is pressing a nerve and the pain is unyielding. Awful.
Tomorrow I'm gonna try and find out how to treat it.

[Taximom]

Did you find the article on line and post it? :cool: I see Charlie's been here. Bet he is pooped tonight searching for Ben all day. :hand: to you Charlie

Thanks Taximom for finding and posting that article. It is going to hit the hometown tomorrow and I think very soon we might see some real hot action in this case. I am READY ! Goona go read then hit the hay. Arthritis has hit my shoulder joint and is pressing a nerve and the pain is unyielding. Awful.
Tomorrow I'm gonna try and find out how to treat it.
I'm tempted to subscribe tonight, but guess I'll just get it tomorrow at the store. Mid-morning reading w/coffee.

I hope you find some relief soon for your shoulder. Nite.

[packerdog]

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2007-01-11-0008.html

RALEIGH, N.C. -- The November murder of Michelle Young is now on the cover of a national magazine.

Authorities still have not identified her suspected killer, leaving many questions still unanswered.

Michelle Young was found dead in her home Nov. 3. Her 2-year-old daughter was found by her side, unharmed.

Sami

Thanks for the article Sami. It states that the insurance policy was taken out 3 months before her death and also says that he had been in contact with MM for 3 months before MY death. Thats what I brought up yesterday. Big red flag to me.

[fran]

Thanks for the article Sami. It states that the insurance policy was taken out 3 months before her death and also says that he had been in contact with MM for 3 months before MY death. Thats what I brought up yesterday. Big red flag to me.

Sorry, but is JY playing with a full deck? :bang:

The timing, 3 months for the LI, 3 months for the affair, then murder!

Guess he didn't follow the Peterson trial.

There is NO COINCIDENCE when it comes to MURDER! :woohoo:

JMHO
fran

[otto]

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2007-01-11-0008.html

RALEIGH, N.C. -- The November murder of Michelle Young is now on the cover of a national magazine.

Authorities still have not identified her suspected killer, leaving many questions still unanswered.

Michelle Young was found dead in her home Nov. 3. Her 2-year-old daughter was found by her side, unharmed.

Sami

I get the distinct impression that they are closing in on Jason. If this goes to trial, the first thing the defense lawyer will complain about is that the police zeroed in on Jason and didn't look anywhere else. I suppose the police will anticipate this antic and have investigators looking into other perps in the area.

[BarnGoddess]

The really big clue will be who took out the policy on MY. If he is the only one who purchased the policy and she had no clue about it, then it tells me he planned it. If she has one on him, taken out at the same time, it still doesn't absolve him. He could have suggested insurance. I could take a policy out on Raisin Charlie if I wanted to. Double indemnity if he gets trampled by a horse. Employers take out policies on key personnel and sometimes never cancel them when they leave a company. Then when they die they get paid, even years later.

[Bee Charmer]

Sorry, but is JY playing with a full deck? :bang:

The timing, 3 months for the LI, 3 months for the affair, then murder!

Guess he didn't follow the Peterson trial.

There is NO COINCIDENCE when it comes to MURDER! :woohoo:

JMHO
fran
Boy, do I agree with your statement about
coincidences Fran. That's why I think that JY taking their
car down that 100 foot embankment is very suspicious.

[close_enough]

The really big clue will be who took out the policy on MY. If he is the only one who purchased the policy and she had no clue about it, then it tells me he planned it. If she has one on him, taken out at the same time, it still doesn't absolve him. He could have suggested insurance. I could take a policy out on Raisin Charlie if I wanted to. Double indemnity if he gets trampled by a horse. Employers take out policies on key personnel and sometimes never cancel them when they leave a company. Then when they die they get paid, even years later.

this is how the article states this....

---was covered by a $1 million insurance policy that her husband took out three months before her murder and that made him the beneficiary."

[otto]

this is how the article states this....

---was covered by a $1 million insurance policy that her husband took out three months before her murder and that made him the beneficiary."

A prosecutor once said that all criminals are stupid. Even though at first I thought this was a rather clever crime, I think that if Jason did this, he is stupid.

Actually, that's one point in the direction of sociopath: thinks he is smarter than everyone else. Anyone that plans a murder 3 months in advance, starting with a huge life insurance policy one month after learning that their family is expanding, is downright stupid.

[Scout]

this is how the article states this....

---was covered by a $1 million insurance policy that her husband took out three months before her murder and that made him the beneficiary."

I'm not sure People magazine is a reliable source. I'm taking the wait and see approach as to when that insurance policy was taken out. I think it was recently, but I'm not yet convinced it was 3 months ago.

[fran]

I'm not sure People magazine is a reliable source. I'm taking the wait and see approach as to when that insurance policy was taken out. I think it was recently, but I'm not yet convinced it was 3 months ago.

IMHO, even if it was a year ago, there was that one car accident whereby it's being said Michelle didn't have on her seatbelt because she was reaching into the back seat for something. She wasn't injurred but she lost the baby. Then she gets pregnant again and is murdered in her own home by a mysterious stranger. :rolleyes:

The one thing is, we know JY had a million or TWO MILLION reasons for Michelle to have a fatal 'accident.'

JMHO
fran

[fran]

Boy, do I agree with your statement about
coincidences Fran. That's why I think that JY taking their
car down that 100 foot embankment is very suspicious.

I tell ya Bee Charmer, I honestly believe that accident was NO accident.

JMHO of course,
fran

[scandi]

Hi agree Frannie about that accident. Now I'm ready for some facts. Goin' crazy for the few things we are learning.

Maybe next week? :rolleyes: Scandi

[philamena]

Fox news covered the case again tonight. Fox reinterated that Jason was the POI in the case and also said that there was blood found on/in the car. They also stated that Jason still isn't cooperating with LE.
How can Jason be allowed to walk the streets?

3 months ago he began an "intense affair"-that's how Kimberely Newsom described it tonight.
3 months ago he took out a million bucks worth of life ins.
His wife was pregnant and found brutally murdered.
Blood was found on the car.
Jason was conviently out of town.
He mysteriously has his SIL go to the house for what???? To discover the body?

LE needs to arrest this guy now.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Fox news covered the case again tonight. Fox reinterated that Jason was the POI in the case and also said that there was blood found on/in the car. They also stated that Jason still isn't cooperating with LE.
How can Jason be allowed to walk the streets?

3 months ago he began an "intense affair"-that's how Kimberely Newsom described it tonight.
3 months ago he took out a million bucks worth of life ins.
His wife was pregnant and found brutally murdered.
Blood was found on the car.
Jason was conviently out of town.
He mysteriously has his SIL go to the house for what???? To discover the body?

LE needs to arrest this guy now.


Aaah! I read this would be on Fox on another site about Shawn Hornbeck! Thanks for posting, philamena.

Yep, WHYYYYY is he still on the streets? What little detail is outstanding that's deterring LE? Questions, questions questions! Also wondering why the media are letting this one sink? I'd have thought Nancy at last would be camped outside someone's house to keep it in the spotlight.

[Bee Charmer]

He's still loose because he's kept his
mouth shut, so the police haven't been able to
catch him in any deceptive statements and because
imo, they have not been able to conclusively link
him to the actual murder. Yet.

[Taximom]

I saw (correction, "heard") something about this case on the Line-up w/Kimberly G last night. Just heard bits and pieces but there was nothing new to report.

All indications most of us are on the right track here w/who-done-it...and it wasn't the butler. ;)

[Taximom]

I just posted this on the "media links" thread:
------
I think their headline is a little misleading! There isn't much in this article that we haven't already read. Local perspective since this is where Meredith Fisher owned a home:

http://www.fuquay-varinaindependent...er%20update.txt (http://www.fuquay-varinaindependent.com/articles/2007/01/12/news/michelleyoungmurder%20update.txt)


Murder investigation leads to Fuquay-Varina


By Stephanie Eaton Harvie (localnews2005@yahoo.com)
Friday, January 12, 2007 4:25 PM EST

In early November a pregnant mother was found beaten to death in her south Raleigh home. Over two months after her body was discovered no arrests have been made in the case, but Wake County Sheriff's Deputies have entered into the Fuquay-Varina community to collect evidence. (more at link)

[BarnGoddess]

I saw (correction, "heard") something about this case on the Line-up w/Kimberly G last night. Just heard bits and pieces but there was nothing new to report.

All indications most of us are on the right track here w/who-done-it...and it wasn't the butler. ;)
I caught that last night. I was disappointed that they didn't go into depth though. I think with the recovery of the two boys, they didn't have time enough. I wonder if even the little bit we heard was due to the People Magazine article being out there.

[BarnGoddess]

Insurance question. Help please.....

I can't find the link to what was found in the SUV. I know they mentioned some papers, etc. Could the 1-2 million pollicy been in the SUV? Could that indicate that MY knew nothing about the policy? Is it legal in NC to take out a policy on someone without their knowledge. If not, could her signature have been forged?

Just ramble thoughts on this.

[happy2bn10ec]

Hi y'all - I am an old reader and a new poster to this board. Anyway, in TN and VA, you have to have the witnessed signature of the Insured to take out a policy on them. If the Insured is a minor, you have to have the signature of the child's parent or guardian. At least, that was the deal when I was working for an insurance company about 5 years ago.

Of course, it would be relatively easy to get a forged signature. I've seen that done many times. It's probably never checked out...until some dumb jerk murders his wife.

[scandi]

That is really interesting Taximom that as of 2 days ago, almost 2 1/2 months after her murder they are starting to investigate in the Fuquey-Varina area. I don't really believe this, unless they have had a new tip. Somehow I think the Sheriff's office has a lot more on the ball than this!~

Hi Goddess :) We just had a dusting here in Portland + some narly ice in the mornings, but the beach got the brunt of the storm. I lived in Depoe Bay when we had an incredible snow storm around 1989, and it was so weird to look out and see all the big rocks in the ocean covered with snow. Really beautiful. I heard it was 0 degrees in Denver this week, and was sure thinking of you. Now it's Charlie and 3 more inches of ice due to come in with the new storm. Chalk it all up to El Ninyo. At least now I've learned that Global Warming does not affect the daily temp[eratures that we live with, as I always thought it did.

Scandi

[Melinda Tidwell]

Happy New Year to you all. Your all such good detectives.:woohoo:
Just read where Jason has a life ins. policy. You would think these stupid jerks would learn from previous cases that the husband is the first suspect police have. Look at all the stuff Scott Peterson tried to cover up and got caught. You would think these violent husbands would learn from each others mistakes. Sure hope they don't pay him on that policy. Soon he will look like this.:behindbar !!!!!!

Keep up the good work guys.
MT

[jilly]

Happy New Year to you all. Your all such good detectives.:woohoo:
Just read where Jason has a life ins. policy. You would think these stupid jerks would learn from previous cases that the husband is the first suspect police have. Look at all the stuff Scott Peterson tried to cover up and got caught. You would think these violent husbands would learn from each others mistakes. Sure hope they don't pay him on that policy. Soon he will look like this.:behindbar !!!!!!

Keep up the good work guys.
MT

Hi Medlinda, welcome & happy New Year to you too! :)

We had a poster here awhile back knowledgeable about the insurance and she said that monies would not be paid out so long as he's a person of interest or suspect, I believe.

[otto]

Hi y'all - I am an old reader and a new poster to this board. Anyway, in TN and VA, you have to have the witnessed signature of the Insured to take out a policy on them. If the Insured is a minor, you have to have the signature of the child's parent or guardian. At least, that was the deal when I was working for an insurance company about 5 years ago.

Of course, it would be relatively easy to get a forged signature. I've seen that done many times. It's probably never checked out...until some dumb jerk murders his wife.

Welcome aboard. Good to see you again ... and thanks for the insurance info. I don't think that Michelle would have objected to having an insurance policy taken out on her and she would have no reason to suspect that there was anything suspicious about it. The only reason she might have been suspicious is if she thought the car accident was deliberate, but I don't think she thought it was anything other than an accident.

[raisincharlie]

Hi y'all - I am an old reader and a new poster to this board. Anyway, in TN and VA, you have to have the witnessed signature of the Insured to take out a policy on them. If the Insured is a minor, you have to have the signature of the child's parent or guardian. At least, that was the deal when I was working for an insurance company about 5 years ago.

Of course, it would be relatively easy to get a forged signature. I've seen that done many times. It's probably never checked out...until some dumb jerk murders his wife.
Hello Happy2bn10ec !

Post away ! I find this insurance issue interesting but the thing that worries me about it is that it seems to be a very old excuse by LE. LE always uses this towards motive, sometimes it is true, sometimes it is not. The same with financial issues - old and tiresome excuse IMO.

What will sell me on the insurance issue is if there was an increase on Michelle when she was pregnant last spring and then there is another increase during the pregnancy when she was murdered this fall. Not to make light of an insurance policy as being a motive but in a lot of cases, it becomes prosecutorial fodder for suspicion and never really proven. JMO

[happy2bn10ec]

I agree with you, rc, I think LE is trying to make the insurance policy more of a big deal than it really is. I think if it figures into it at all, it's kind of a side issue; like an added bonus. But I do believe he did it. It just comes down to the same thing that convinced me of SP's guilt in the Laci trial - WHO ELSE would want her dead?

p.s. I think it is so cool that you went and helped out in the search for Ben.

[raisincharlie]

I agree with you, rc, I think LE is trying to make the insurance policy more of a big deal than it really is. I think if it figures into it at all, it's kind of a side issue; like an added bonus. But I do believe he did it. It just comes down to the same thing that convinced me of SP's guilt in the Laci trial - WHO ELSE would want her dead?

p.s. I think it is so cool that you went and helped out in the search for Ben.
There you go ! Who would want Michelle dead - I'm sure by now LE has figured out if there was anyone who might even remotely want her to be dead. Then there is the issue of who would benefit if she were deceased...always an interesting question and one with multiple answers. I think JY did it as well and I do not believe he will get away with it - JMO.

To your p.s. - yes this search was very cool - it ended extremely well. I wish they all did.

[strach304]

Even in Laci's case she had life insurance but that wasn't the motive. In Michele's case it may play a part but probably isn't the sole reason alone.

Welcome Melinda, I think these guys always reason that they are smarter and will get away with it. Only logical explanation it would seem. If they bothered to consider the consequences to themselves if caught they probably would do things differently. To this day I think SP isn't remorseful for killing Laci he's hung up on the mistakes he made like placing himself at the marina.

Yah! Charlie :woohoo:
ETA: You are one very special man! Glad to know you :)

[raisincharlie]

Even in Laci's case she had life insurance but that wasn't the motive. In Michele's case it may play a part but probably isn't the sole reason alone.

Welcome Melinda, I think these guys always reason that they are smarter and will get away with it. Only logical explanation it would seem. If they bothered to consider the consequences to themselves if caught they probably would do things differently. To this day I think SP isn't remorseful for killing Laci he's hung up on the mistakes he made like placing himself at the marina.

Yah! Charlie :woohoo:
ETA: You are one very special man! Glad to know you :)
I hope SP has a window facing the bay. I hope it is the only view he has of the world outside of San Quentin. Sick :liar: . JMO

I think Mitch Hults is one very special young man !

[Taximom]

Hi y'all - I am an old reader and a new poster to this board. Anyway, in TN and VA, you have to have the witnessed signature of the Insured to take out a policy on them. If the Insured is a minor, you have to have the signature of the child's parent or guardian. At least, that was the deal when I was working for an insurance company about 5 years ago.

Of course, it would be relatively easy to get a forged signature. I've seen that done many times. It's probably never checked out...until some dumb jerk murders his wife.
I brought that up before but don't remember getting an answer. I saw some case broadcast on tv where the girlfriend went w/the husband to the insurance agent to get or increase the insurance on the "real" wife. Of course, the wife ended up dead a little while later! lol Hmm wonder who killed the wife? :waitasec: :rolleyes:

I think if Michelle Money did anything like that, she might have fessed up by now. Wasn't she cooperating with LE?

[Taximom]

Oh, and welcome to happy2bn10ec!!

[happy2bn10ec]

Thanks, taximom and rc. Like I said, I have been reading here for years, I guess since Laci. Finally decided to post! There are lots of very smart people here - I love to read all the new ideas and opinions.

[jilly]

Even in Laci's case she had life insurance but that wasn't the motive. In Michele's case it may play a part but probably isn't the sole reason alone.

My memory's gone but what exactly was the life insurance that the Petersons' had? I thought somehow it was attached to the mortgage.

[fran]

My memory's gone but what exactly was the life insurance that the Petersons' had? I thought somehow it was attached to the mortgage.

They each had a $250K policy, it was one of those that accumulates value over time,..........actually a 'financial planning' type thing. I think they took them out at about the time they purchased their home.

JMHO
fran

PS....although the rumors swirled that MPD said Laci's had just been taken out, I don't think MPD necessarily said it was 'new,' they just didn't comment or correct the reports.......they kept mum about the whole thing.........

[jilly]

They each had a $250K policy, it was one of those that accumulates value over time,..........actually a 'financial planning' type thing. I think they took them out at about the time they purchased their home.

JMHO
fran

PS....although the rumors swirled that MPD said Laci's had just been taken out, I don't think MPD necessarily said it was 'new,' they just didn't comment or correct the reports.......they kept mum about the whole thing.........

Oh yes - that refreshs my memory! Thank you! MPD was very good at their job!

[Samiya]

Hey RC...

You were in the search party finding Ben? Sorry hon, just catching up after the hoohaa at ctv, lmao.

hugs for a hero :)

Love
Sami
xxx

[raisincharlie]

Sami,


No hero here, just trying to help out along with the other folks (ladies and gents) in the CCOM unit. Its what we do, just ride and look.

My hero - Mitch Hults, a very fine young man.

[close_enough]

doing my morning 'check' of the forum w/my coffee.....

interesting about the insurance.....about it MIGHT not be the 'real' motive & all that....a million dollars is a lot of money, especially if someone has grown to hate their wife, & IF someone enjoys gambling....(i know, i know, i'm still a little stuck on THAT rumor we heard very early on, but i can't help it..it's just there in the back of my mind)....oh, & then there's a girlfriend to add in the mix.....

i just don't know what to think anymore....i was pretty hopeful for an arrest last week, but i was wrong, so i'm not doing anymore guessing about that......something is preventing LE from arresting JY...something that they can't put their finger on, something that's making this hard to take to a court of law for a conviction......i hope i'm wrong, & they're still waiting on lab reports, etc......

welcome Melinda & Happy.....i must tell you all that i know Happy, & i'm soooooo glad she's decided to join in with us here on this forum:)...she's a sweetie & very smart to boot!!

[packerdog]

Hi Close, I think it is the lab they are waiting on. Maybe this week there will be more news.

[close_enough]

Hi Close, I think it is the lab they are waiting on. Maybe this week there will be more news.

well, i hope you're right...i'm just too impatient..don't get me wrong though..i want EVERYTHING to be done right, WHEN an arrest is made, but the waiting bothers me .....

[panthera]

Happy New Year to you all. Your all such good detectives.:woohoo:
Just read where Jason has a life ins. policy. You would think these stupid jerks would learn from previous cases that the husband is the first suspect police have. Look at all the stuff Scott Peterson tried to cover up and got caught. You would think these violent husbands would learn from each others mistakes. Sure hope they don't pay him on that policy. Soon he will look like this.:behindbar !!!!!!

Keep up the good work guys.
MTHi Melinda! Just got back here after being gone over the weekend~ yes, Peterson, Entwistle, and all the other "DH". No, they won't pay on the policy as long as the case is under investigation and he's a potential suspect.

[panthera]

Hey RC...

You were in the search party finding Ben?

hugs for a hero :)

Love
Sami
xxx

I definitely agree! Good work raisincharlie! :)

[happy2bn10ec]

well, i hope you're right...i'm just too impatient..don't get me wrong though..i want EVERYTHING to be done right, WHEN an arrest is made, but the waiting bothers me .....
This waiting isn't only bothering me - it is making me NUTS!!! I want it done right, too, but after so long it worries me that they really don't have anything.

Are y'all watching LKL? Defense attorneys make me absolutely sick. They are worried about Devlin's health problems while he is incarcerated. Boofreakinghoo...

[sweetmop]

This waiting isn't only bothering me - it is making me NUTS!!! I want it done right, too, but after so long it worries me that they really don't have anything.

Are y'all watching LKL? Defense attorneys make me absolutely sick. They are worried about Devlin's health problems while he is incarcerated. Boofreakinghoo... Too bad... Why in the world are they worrying over HIS health problems? Yuccccckkkkk!!! I'm with you, happy2bn10ec, defense attornies are sickening. The worry should be for Shawn and for Ben, and how these young boys can recover their selfes and live the rest of their lives in a halfway normal fashion.

[ialy]

VERY thankful the Missouri boys were found and found safely -- their story has just gripped my heart, so definitely do not want this to come across wrong, please know i do not mean anything negative by this -- just betting JY is very thankful something else big grabbed the news cycle right when his People cover came out -- and hoping that people will keep MY and the pursuit of justice for her in the public eye -- and heat on her murderer

[scandi]

Me too Ialy, I'm going :crazy: But I think it is better to wait and have it progress at its own pace. This Sheriff is a good one I think, so we gotta keep the faith, right?

[otto]

Me too Ialy, I'm going :crazy: But I think it is better to wait and have it progress at its own pace. This Sheriff is a good one I think, so we gotta keep the faith, right?

Confidence in the police is important. Even in the much publicized Peterson case, the police had a lot of evidence that the media and public knew nothing about. I'm sure they have their eye on the right guy and are methodically building a solid case against him. It's the curiousity that makes us all crazy.

[jilly]

This waiting isn't only bothering me - it is making me NUTS!!! I want it done right, too, but after so long it worries me that they really don't have anything.

Are y'all watching LKL? Defense attorneys make me absolutely sick. They are worried about Devlin's health problems while he is incarcerated. Boofreakinghoo...

I only caught the part about him being scared and that was good enough for me!:dance:

Welcome happy! :)

[jilly]

Confidence in the police is important. Even in the much publicized Peterson case, the police had a lot of evidence that the media and public knew nothing about. I'm sure they have their eye on the right guy and are methodically building a solid case against him. It's the curiousity that makes us all crazy.

You're right. LE wants this case solved more than anyone of us!

[panthera]

This waiting isn't only bothering me - it is making me NUTS!!! I want it done right, too, but after so long it worries me that they really don't have anything.

Are y'all watching LKL? Defense attorneys make me absolutely sick. They are worried about Devlin's health problems while he is incarcerated. Boofreakinghoo...The LE don't have "smoking gun" evidence against JY or anyone else right now, or there would've been an arrest. But I'm confident they're building their case and there will be justice for Michelle. ;)

I saw the LKL show and I agree: too bad about him. I feel sorry for the boys, especially Shawn.

[ialy]

I get hope thinking of Scott Peterson's arrest -- it was months before he was arrested, and the police suspected him strongly within days, knew much that was not released for a long time, etc. Granted, there was the issue of not having yet found dear Laci and Connor, but time was taken, and it paid off. JY seems to be much better at staying quiet, but there certainly is much le knows, continuing to hope their case becomes rock solid, and that that little girl is somehow protected through all of this

[panthera]

I get hope thinking of Scott Peterson's arrest -- it was months before he was arrested, and the police suspected him strongly within days, knew much that was not released for a long time, etc. Granted, there was the issue of not having yet found dear Laci and Connor, but time was taken, and it paid off. JY seems to be much better at staying quiet, but there certainly is much le knows, continuing to hope their case becomes rock solid, and that that little girl is somehow protected through all of thisI'm thinking about him also, and what really prompted his arrest was when the bodies washed ashore. In this case, Michelle was found in her bedroom, no sign of forced entry, no apparent interrupted burglary, etc. ~ so who else would want her dead?

[Melinda Tidwell]

I hope JY lays in bed every night just sweating and wondering if it's his last night of freedom. It really must be stressful for him everyday just wondering. :banghead: I hope he reads all this too! I can't even imagine being in his place nor would I ever put myself there. Even if they don't love their spouse, why would anyone want to ruin their own life in this way? If I live to be 100 I will never understand anyone being capable to commit a crime like this .:waitasec:
MT

[packerdog]

I wonder what JY tells Cassity when she is crying for her mother. How can he tell her with a straight face that mommy is in heaven?

[panthera]

I wonder what JY tells Cassity when she is crying for her mother. How can he tell her with a straight face that mommy is in heaven?That is a very sad thought. :(

[ljwf22]

I wonder what JY tells Cassity when she is crying for her mother. How can he tell her with a straight face that mommy is in heaven?
But, she is in heaven! :innocent:
He probably won't have the same result. Hopefully Michelle's spirit can guide LE in the right direction...

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I wonder what JY tells Cassity when she is crying for her mother. How can he tell her with a straight face that mommy is in heaven?

oooh.... the thought of this stings .... and I'll BET Cassie's asked the Q more than once last few months...

You so HIT the right chords, PD ... WHAT does he tell her? Isn't it heartbreaking?

Blessings to all, stay well, stay safe and keep healthy .... Polk :)

[curious1]

Oh, I think he can do it with a straight face. If he did it he has probably managed to convince himself that he was justified in what he did. He's been telling himself "I'm not a bad person, I just snapped, I would never do anything like this again". I don't see how he could live with himself otherwise.

And I kind of like this waiting game, you know it has to drive whoever did this nutz. The wondering when the knock on the door will come...Mr. XXXX we have a warrant for your arrest. And with LE taking their time we hope that means all the i's are dotted and all the t's crossed leaving very little wiggle room for the perp.

[panthera]

Oh, I think he can do it with a straight face. If he did it he has probably managed to convince himself that he was justified in what he did. He's been telling himself "I'm not a bad person, I just snapped, I would never do anything like this again". I don't see how he could live with himself otherwise.

You're right. Anyone who could be capable of brutally murdering his wife (and unborn child) and attend her funeral, refuse to speak with the police, and not be out there begging to find the perp would be capable to talking to Cassidy with a straight face. :mad:

[scandi]

Hi Guys, The only thing I found today that was new was this from a poster at CTV. It is from the Comment section of WRAL, so I won't put it on the links thread:

http://forums.triangle.com/WebX?7@159.UMwKazrqHVL.0@.eef3635/22

eta: If you click on 'all messages' at the bottom of the page there are a few more posts inc, one more by this poster.

[raisincharlie]

Hi Guys, The only thing I found today that was new was this from a poster at CTV. It is from the Comment section of WRAL, so I won't put it on the links thread:

http://forums.triangle.com/WebX?7@159.UMwKazrqHVL.0@.eef3635/22

eta: If you click on 'all messages' at the bottom of the page there are a few more posts inc, one more by this poster.
How are you doing Scandi ?

Its been a bit quiet since the People mag but I have a feeling we are going to hear more soon. 10 weeks now on the autopsy , should be something before long, I would think. I would like to see a warrant on the hotel and some confirmation warrants for video that may pertain to the hotel and gas stations if there was anything caught on video. Maybe soon, I really want to know where the hotel is located, that could provide some really good conversation. If JTF shows up again - we'll know something is coming...

[jilly]

I was reading over at CTV today, between all the fax/printer stuff & everthing else it seems we are dissecting every word of LE on the basis that it is perfectly correct.

We've seen that on one warrant or whatever they stated the Get I Market when it turns out to be Get It. There's also the Hampton 'Hotel' which could be Inn. There may be some discrepancies in this Fax as opposed to Printout.

We really need some more information......soon.

[raisincharlie]

I was reading over at CTV today, between all the fax/printer stuff & everthing else it seems we are dissecting every word of LE on the basis that it is perfectly correct.

We've seen that on one warrant or whatever they stated the Get I Market when it turns out to be Get It. There's also the Hampton 'Hotel' which could be Inn. There may be some discrepancies in this Fax as opposed to Printout.

We really need some more information......soon.
We do need more information Jilly ! I admit it, I was in on the fax deal. I'm anal retentive and could not help myself. :o Iwill take LE's words everytime over what the media puts out, and for good reason. I see a computer taken from the home and I see a printer but I do not see a fax machine in any of the warrants or even a reference to a fax. It does not in truth matter what it was - all that matters is who it came from, how it was printed, when it arrived, as well as what it was to see if everyone's story matches up. JMO.

[jilly]

We do need more information Jilly ! I admit it, I was in on the fax deal. I'm anal retentive and could not help myself. :o Iwill take LE's words everytime over what the media puts out, and for good reason. I see a computer taken from the home and I see a printer but I do not see a fax machine in any of the warrants or even a reference to a fax. It does not in truth matter what it was - all that matters is who it came from, how it was printed, when it arrived, as well as what it was to see if everyone's story matches up. JMO.

Exactly! Like you I sure hope it relates to JY and not MM.

[scandi]

Oh Charlie, I'm miserable! For some reason I couldn't go to sleep last night. About 5am I turned on the local news and they said it was snowing :eek: I jumped out of bed and threw open the sliding glass door to my patio, and sure enough there was a good solid dusting of snow on everything and it was really coming down. I threw on my clothes and headed out the door to run to the store and stopped short - no way was I going to risk driving down a hill with 2 corners!

I had no ciggies, the snow was now an inch deep, then 2" LOL when I spotted a young man walking past my apt - I hired him on the spot to walk down the hill and get me some. What a morning. The snow is beautiful, and as I'm on a hill I look out over the valley towards the west. Really a beautiful scene. So I did some reading on the case today!

I read through all ConcernedCitizens posts at CTV, as I thought maybe he had mentioned the luggage. Nopey Nope. For the life of me I can't remember where I read that except at CTV mid Nov.

CC did have one early post where he timed out the trip to VA. It was to Blacksburg he thought but his timing wasn't perfect. He must know JY, and definately had an agenda, to the point he suggested Michelle was the one who was unfaithful. So I don't really believe him anyway no matter what he says. He hasn't posted since the 1st week in Decd!

I can't understand the whoopala about the fax or document sent to the house, and think the timing of it being sent is the important thing 'in the hours before she was found', and I read your post and thought it was very good. On thinking about that, it is the words used that give a clue as to when the document printed out. To me, in the hours before would be 2 or 3 hours. Several hours could be 6-8, many hours up to 12.

I think this is what happened: He had a time in mind for a last min fix of getting Cassidy out of there and the discoverery of the body. Meredith went to work that day at 11 or 11:30 as I remember. So when that time came and he had to do something, he opened up his laptop, pulled up the flyer on the purse, and since his laptop was tied into the home computer {if it was LOL, why not be able to print off his lap top that way>}, and clicked on print.

In his house, the printer reved up like mine does {the Officejet All-in=one}. and out came a copy of the flyer on the purse. He then called Meredith and left her a message. It is so simple, and I can not understand why it is discussed over and over again. But then I have that new HP machine that is absolutely the best and know that as long as the computer is on the printer will even work when you are offline.

If anyone can remember about the link to the luggage that would be :cool: Maybe it isn't important, but could help show motive that she had kicked him out, or first steps were being taken. It made reality grim for him and he couldn't accept that.

Oh, the new 'insider', I see right thru her unfortunately. She reminds me of a bouncing bubbly realtor I once worked with, and is a nice contrast to just the facts who I think is quite deceitfrul. This is the case of the agenda. I too need more facts is what I've been trying to say! LOLOLOL

Hope your farm is faring well with all the ice Charlie.

[raisincharlie]

<snip>


I think this is what happened: He had a time in mind for a last min fix of getting Cassidy out of there and the discoverery of the body. Meredith went to work that day at 11 or 11:30 as I remember. So when that time came and he had to do something, he opened up his laptop, pulled up the flyer on the purse, and since his laptop was tied into the home computer {if it was LOL, why not be able to print off his lap top that way>}, and clicked on print.

In his house, the printer reved up like mine does {the Officejet All-in=one}. and out came a copy of the flyer on the purse. He then called Meredith and left her a message. It is so simple, and I can not understand why it is discussed over and over again. But then I have that new HP machine that is absolutely the best and know that as long as the computer is on the printer will even work when you are offline.

If anyone can remember about the link to the luggage that would be :cool: Maybe it isn't important, but could help show motive that she had kicked him out, or first steps were being taken. It made reality grim for him and he couldn't accept that.

Oh, the new 'insider', I see right thru her unfortunately. She reminds me of a bouncing bubbly realtor I once worked with, and is a nice contrast to just the facts who I think is quite deceitfrul. This is the case of the agenda. I too need more facts is what I've been trying to say! LOLOLOL

Hope your farm is faring well with all the ice Charlie.
Scandi,

I really enjoy sitting out on the deck watching the snow with a good cup of coffee - I like to capture flakes and look at them - amazing. Yes, a nice easy snowfall is great - unfortunately don't get much here but when we do I am all over it ! Your view sounds very nice-enjoy!

As for the print out - I agree he could have sent it himself - stop by a wifi location and send it on its way. No matter what, JY knew it was at the house, that says something. As for the luggage - Scandi I can't think of who said that or when - wish I could help you - I know it is making you crazy. Sorry luv!

I bucked at the new insider - JY was not technologically savvy comment. don't buy that for a minute, in one sentence says she worked with him a while ago and is now claiming to know things - the past and present have melded. Nope no turnips for me. I'm so jaded...

Things are fine here Scandi - the ice is awesome on the trees that are still standing anyway...:p

RC

[scandi]

That's good news your trees are holding up. They must have nice deep roots.

I don't know what a Wifi station is or why it would be needed? Is that because his lap-top is wireless?

[raisincharlie]

That's good news your trees are holding up. They must have nice deep roots.

I don't know what a Wifi station is or why it would be needed? Is that because his lap-top is wireless?
I have a Dell Lattitude lap top - mine is wireless. Around here there are several small specialty shops such as coffee houses and bagel shops that have wireless transmitters. Buy a bagel or Danish, a nice coffee (not Starbucks - yuckie :D ) and internet away. Here it is called wifi - maybe some other name somewhere else.

[pack_fan]

I have a Dell Lattitude lap top - mine is wireless. Around here there are several small specialty shops such as coffee houses and bagel shops that have wireless transmitters. Buy a bagel or Danish, a nice coffee (not Starbucks - yuckie :D ) and internet away. Here it is called wifi - maybe some other name somewhere else.
Charlie,

You been bickering with posters on other boards? I'm keeping an eye on you. HEE HEE HEE.

I was so looking forward to reading the people magazine but quite a disappointment for me. Not quite sure what I was expecting but I didn't get it. I suppose I was waiting for them to lay out LE's entire batch of facts and go ahead and solve the case for us but no luck.

As for JY being technically saavy, don't have a clue. I would think that it would be a disadvantage in his job but it could be that his company has a technical support department to run through networking issues and so forth. It has been my experience that software salesmen simply know the software and not much else. Come out and demonstrate the functions of the software and don't get into the other issues. If you like the software, technical issues can be addressed with the appropriate parties. Actually the last one that came calling on us brought a networking guy to answer questions about compatibility with our current system and so on and so on.

I don't know who sent the printout/fax and I'm not sure the source of the document would be that important. If it was not sent by JY then I would suspect that it was requested to be sent by him. UNLESS it could be determined that the document was directly from the home computer in the middle of the night or wee hours of the morning. This would pretty much give it away.

I have had a complete change of heart over the last week. After reviewing the facts that we know along with some of the other information that I have gathered along the way, I think this was premeditated all the way. This completely goes against my last theory but I think I mentioned quite some time ago that I would reserve the right to change my mind. I wanted to believe that things were not so happy in the house, tensions were high and he just snapped but I think I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I had always thought that she was attacked in bed (wishful thinking I suppose, hoping that she didn't know what happened) like someone snuck up on her while sleeping but I have been led to beleive other wise recently. In the lastest release, the reason for photo evidence and otherwise was clearly stated that there was dna, footprints, and other trace evidence to be used for COMPARISON. IMO, the perp wanted to sneak up on MY while sleeping but she woke up, either dog barking or just a light sleeper. I would tend to agree with some other posters here that the time of death is later rather than earlier. Some time in the middle of the night but definately time to do whatever necessary and get out of there well before dawn. Not sure of when that would have been on the morning of Nov. 3rd but wouldn't want to risk being seen.

Just my opinion but I beleive that there will be an arrest as soon as all of the forensics is returned and reviewed. I suspect they have long been done with trying to exclude JY. More along the lines of excluding the possibility that someone didn't help him.