People Magazine Article

[Taximom]

Has anyone read the article yet? Care to report your thoughts?

My youngest got sick on the way to school today so I haven't been to the store yet for my copy.

[lisafremont]

Okay. I bought PEOPLE today because this story was the cover story.

Here's what I got out of it that was new to me (and I am not up on every detail of the case.)

Jason hasn't cooperated. (But I knew that.)

"...police say they have learned the Youngs were having financial difficulties. A source close to the couple told PEOPLE that Michelle --- who had planned to cut back on her hours as a sr. fin'l specialist for a power co.....was covered by a $1 million insurance policy that her husband took out three months before her murder and that made him the beneficiary."


Well, I can't say I am surprised but this was news to me. I predicted: Back when that I was waiting for the GF and the insurance info to surface. Bingo!!

Two drops of blood on the Youngs' 2004 Ford Explorer.

Lots of lovely things said about Michelle. Also about Jason. So reminds me of Laci and Scott.

Mentions JY's alibi, the trip to the meeting the next day. "police won't say whether such a meeting ever occurred."

The fax JY asked Meredith to fetch was a receipt for a purse JY planned to give Michelle as a gift.

Who has a receipt faxed to them???? No mention of whether the fax was found.

Their dog, Mister Garrison, was "acting frantically" according to Michelle.

Big dog. How come he didn't bark/attack the killer, hmmmmm?

At the funeral MY's famliy sat at the oppo end of the front row from JY and family. And Michelle Money was at the funeral.

that's it.

[otto]

I guess if you have really amazing eyesight you can read it here: http://www.wral.com/news/local/image_gallery/1133597/

I read some of it ... only half of the first page so far. I'm going to strain my eyes some more a little later. I got up to the Twinkle Twinkle bedtime routine.

Cassidy was looking for bandaids for Michelle, she told Meredith, so she probably told Meredith quite a bit about what happened. Meredith, being trained in psychology, would be ideal for interviewing Cassidy.

[close_enough]

Okay. I bought PEOPLE today because this story was the cover story.

Here's what I got out of it that was new to me (and I am not up on every detail of the case.)

Jason hasn't cooperated. (But I knew that.)

"...police say they have learned the Youngs were having financial difficulties. A source close to the couple told PEOPLE that Michelle --- who had planned to cut back on her hours as a sr. fin'l specialist for a power co.....was covered by a $1 million insurance policy that her husband took out three months before her murder and that made him the beneficiary."

Well, I can't say I am surprised but this was news to me. I predicted: Back when that I was waiting for the GF and the insurance info to surface. Bingo!!

Two drops of blood on the Youngs' 2004 Ford Explorer.

Lots of lovely things said about Michelle. Also about Jason. So reminds me of Laci and Scott.

Mentions JY's alibi, the trip to the meeting the next day. "police won't say whether such a meeting ever occurred."

The fax JY asked Meredith to fetch was a receipt for a purse JY planned to give Michelle as a gift.

Who has a receipt faxed to them???? No mention of whether the fax was found.

Their dog, Mister Garrison, was "acting frantically" according to Michelle.

Big dog. How come he didn't bark/attack the killer, hmmmmm?

At the funeral MY's famliy sat at the oppo end of the front row from JY and family. And Michelle Money was at the funeral.

that's it.

this is what i got out of it also....i figured the Young's were having financial difficulties...i didn't know though, that JY got the million $ life insurance on MY 3 months prior to her death......

eta.....MM & JY corresponded via email & phone, almost daily, for 3 months prior to Michelle's death ......

[otto]

Okay. I bought PEOPLE today because this story was the cover story.

Here's what I got out of it that was new to me (and I am not up on every detail of the case.)

Jason hasn't cooperated. (But I knew that.)

"...police say they have learned the Youngs were having financial difficulties. A source close to the couple told PEOPLE that Michelle --- who had planned to cut back on her hours as a sr. fin'l specialist for a power co.....was covered by a $1 million insurance policy that her husband took out three months before her murder and that made him the beneficiary."


Well, I can't say I am surprised but this was news to me. I predicted: Back when that I was waiting for the GF and the insurance info to surface. Bingo!!

Two drops of blood on the Youngs' 2004 Ford Explorer.

Lots of lovely things said about Michelle. Also about Jason. So reminds me of Laci and Scott.

Mentions JY's alibi, the trip to the meeting the next day. "police won't say whether such a meeting ever occurred."

The fax JY asked Meredith to fetch was a receipt for a purse JY planned to give Michelle as a gift.

Who has a receipt faxed to them???? No mention of whether the fax was found.

Their dog, Mister Garrison, was "acting frantically" according to Michelle.

Big dog. How come he didn't bark/attack the killer, hmmmmm?

At the funeral MY's famliy sat at the oppo end of the front row from JY and family. And Michelle Money was at the funeral.

that's it.

If Jason took out a million dollar insurance policy on Michelle just as he changed jobs 3 months earlier, I think he's got a big problem.

Thanks for the update.

Having the receipt faxed to his home email is a bit silly since he could have had it faxed to his work email, sent in the mail or he simply could have asked for it to be included with the gift. Furthermore, he could have asked for it to be faxed at a more convenient time.

The dog could have been put in the basement during the attack and let out as the perp was leaving the house - more likely to happen if the dog knew the attacker.

[otto]

this is what i got out of it also....i figured the Young's were having financial difficulties...i didn't know though, that JY got the million $ life insurance on MY 3 months prior to her death......

eta.....MM & JY corresponded via email & phone, almost daily, for 3 months prior to Michelle's death ......

That sounds a little more serious than Michelle Money's husband's statement that they all three were close friends. I don't think I would want my spouse talking to someone of the opposite sex via phone and email every day for 3 months ... especially not while pregnant. Looking at the photos it sure seems like Michelle took after her dad in looks.

[scandi]

Wasn't that so precious, that little girlie had a head on her shoulders, trying to help her mommy. Bandaids for her boo-boos. No wonder Sheriff Harrison felt so strongly about Cassidy.

[otto]

Wasn't that so precious, that little girlie had a head on her shoulders, trying to help her mommy. Bandaids for her boo-boos. No wonder Sheriff Harrison felt so strongly about Cassidy.

It really is a glimpse into the caring, nurturing relationship between Cassidy and Michelle. It also tells us how little a young child understands of the world. If I recall correctly, young children think their parents make the world go around and they simply don't understand that anything bad could happen to a parent ... the person that is the centre of their universe.

[Scout]

Has anyone read the article yet? Care to report your thoughts?

My youngest got sick on the way to school today so I haven't been to the store yet for my copy.


I liked this excerpt:

As for Young's whereabouts the night of Nov. 2, a hotel receipt and telephone records show that he was "at certain places at certain times," says Richard Johnson, adding that Young "has not been ruled out as a suspect."

[j2mirish]

Okay. I bought PEOPLE today because this story was the cover story.

Here's what I got out of it that was new to me (and I am not up on every detail of the case.)

Jason hasn't cooperated. (But I knew that.)

"...police say they have learned the Youngs were having financial difficulties. A source close to the couple told PEOPLE that Michelle --- who had planned to cut back on her hours as a sr. fin'l specialist for a power co.....was covered by a $1 million insurance policy that her husband took out three months before her murder and that made him the beneficiary."


Well, I can't say I am surprised but this was news to me. I predicted: Back when that I was waiting for the GF and the insurance info to surface. Bingo!!

Two drops of blood on the Youngs' 2004 Ford Explorer.

Lots of lovely things said about Michelle. Also about Jason. So reminds me of Laci and Scott.

Mentions JY's alibi, the trip to the meeting the next day. "police won't say whether such a meeting ever occurred."

The fax JY asked Meredith to fetch was a receipt for a purse JY planned to give Michelle as a gift.

Who has a receipt faxed to them???? No mention of whether the fax was found.

Their dog, Mister Garrison, was "acting frantically" according to Michelle.

Big dog. How come he didn't bark/attack the killer, hmmmmm?

At the funeral MY's famliy sat at the oppo end of the front row from JY and family. And Michelle Money was at the funeral.

that's it.thanks l/f......same stuff different day EH?

[BarnGoddess]

Went to the store in my small town. All they had was the January 15 issue. Please tell me the date of the one with the MY case.

[Taximom]

Well I'm extremely disappointed! I thought there might be more snippets of info from her friends/family...but I think they are keeping it all quiet because they know LE is on the right track.

Thanks for the info, everyone. I went to buy some Pedialyte and of course, searched for the People Mag. They had two different issues and neither one was the MY issue!!! Now maybe I'm glad I didn't waste my money.

Any interesting pictures that we haven't seen? Any news about Cassidy's relationship with the Fishers and whether they've seen her lately or not?

TIA!:blowkiss:

[BarnGoddess]

Taximom, kids sick? I remember having to buy that to replace electrolyes when my kids got sick and vomited. Must be flu. Hope they're better.

[Taximom]

Taximom, kids sick? I remember having to buy that to replace electrolyes when my kids got sick and vomited. Must be flu. Hope they're better.
Hi BarnGoddess. Yes, the flu. I started last Sunday. Then one child became sick each night till last night. Then my youngest threw up again this morning after being well since Tues morning. She's better now.

My husband got the flu shot a month ago and he's been sick the longest. :silenced:

If I use any more Lysol or Clorox my house is going to disappear!

Thanks for asking, and stay well!

[jilly]

Hi BarnGoddess. Yes, the flu. I started last Sunday. Then one child became sick each night till last night. Then my youngest threw up again this morning after being well since Tues morning. She's better now.

My husband got the flu shot a month ago and he's been sick the longest. :silenced:

If I use any more Lysol or Clorox my house is going to disappear!

Thanks for asking, and stay well!

Oh bruther.....poor you! My kids used to hate pedialyte - even the flavored stuff. I've since heard that gatorade works the same.

eta Apparently in the article, it says that the Fisher family has not seen Cassidy since the funeral. We all know she wasn't at the funeral so I'm assuming they got to see her afterwards? I don't know about that though, they apparently sat on opposite sides at the funeral.

[Taximom]

Oh bruther.....poor you! My kids used to hate pedialyte - even the flavored stuff. I've since heard that gatorade works the same.
I normally use gatorade because the kids don't like the Pedialyte AND the cost is ridiculous. They only had Pedialyte so I got the plain and mixed in a little gatorade powder. It's still more sugar than I'd like, but what are you going to do?!

[Samiya]

I normally use gatorade because the kids don't like the Pedialyte AND the cost is ridiculous. They only had Pedialyte so I got the plain and mixed in a little gatorade powder. It's still more sugar than I'd like, but what are you going to do?!Your poor kids :(

I used to use ginger beer for my kids. Ginger is great for helping with the nausea when sick and I would use a powdered form of glucose for their energy level. If you can find powdered Glucolytes (body builders use it), you can mix some of that in the ginger beer or in a honey and water drink.

Love and hugs
Sami

[Taximom]

Your poor kids :(

I used to use ginger beer for my kids. Ginger is great for helping with the nausea when sick and I would use a powdered form of glucose for their energy level. If you can find powdered Glucolytes (body builders use it), you can mix some of that in the ginger beer or in a honey and water drink.

Love and hugs
Sami
We are totally O/T, but since there's no news....
:D
I used to have a recipe for homemade pedialyte but I've lost it. Is ginger beer the same as ginger ale? My mom praises that for tummy aches, but it always gives me indigestion! Go figure.

[Samiya]

We are totally O/T, but since there's no news....
:D
I used to have a recipe for homemade pedialyte but I've lost it. Is ginger beer the same as ginger ale? My mom praises that for tummy aches, but it always gives me indigestion! Go figure.OOoops, lol I thought we were in the OT thread.

Same as ginger ale except not as gassy.....lmao if you get indigestion from it then you need to open the bottle and allow it to go flat :)

Sucking on ginger lollies can also relieve nausea and tend to be made using glucose instead of sugar :)

Here's a page with a recipe for home made Pedialyte :)

http://www.geocities.com/cptpungent/kid.html

I just googled "homemade pedialyte" and there's heaps.

Love
Sami

[Taximom]

OOoops, lol I thought we were in the OT thread.

Same as ginger ale except not as gassy.....lmao if you get indigestion from it then you need to open the bottle and allow it to go flat :)

Sucking on ginger lollies can also relieve nausea and tend to be made using glucose instead of sugar :)

Here's a page with a recipe for home made Pedialyte :)

http://www.geocities.com/cptpungent/kid.html

I just googled "homemade pedialyte" and there's heaps.

Love
Sami
Thanks, Sami! I hope I don't need that page for quite a while! I'll bookmark it for future reference. :blowkiss:

[Bee Charmer]

Wasn't that so precious, that little girlie had a head on her shoulders, trying to help her mommy. Bandaids for her boo-boos. No wonder Sheriff Harrison felt so strongly about Cassidy.
Doesn' that just break your heart? I believe that these law men
are livid that JY isn't cooperating and that fact is making them that more
determine to find out who did this awful crime.

In my view there is no reasonable explanation for JY not to talk with the police, other then him being involved in some manner.

It may take much time, but I firmly believe they will catch who did this.

[close_enough]

Went to the store in my small town. All they had was the January 15 issue. Please tell me the date of the one with the MY case.

the issue is dated Janauary 22nd....it arrived on the news-stands here in TN yesterday, January12th....you won't be able to miss it...it has WHO KILLED MICHELLE? in bold yellow letters on the cover....

[Scout]

Well I'm extremely disappointed! I thought there might be more snippets of info from her friends/family...but I think they are keeping it all quiet because they know LE is on the right track.

Thanks for the info, everyone. I went to buy some Pedialyte and of course, searched for the People Mag. They had two different issues and neither one was the MY issue!!! Now maybe I'm glad I didn't waste my money.

Any interesting pictures that we haven't seen? Any news about Cassidy's relationship with the Fishers and whether they've seen her lately or not?

TIA!:blowkiss:

The article is shown in this WRAL.com slideshow (http://www.wral.com/news/local/image_gallery/1133597/). Most of the pics, we've seen before. If you right-click and zoom in, you might be able to read the article. Have some aspirin handy if you try.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hi BarnGoddess. Yes, the flu. I started last Sunday. Then one child became sick each night till last night. Then my youngest threw up again this morning after being well since Tues morning. She's better now.

My husband got the flu shot a month ago and he's been sick the longest. :silenced:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: If I use any more Lysol or Clorox my house is going to disappear!

Thanks for asking, and stay well!

Hi Taximom - sorry you're all under the weather at home :blowkiss: Gosh, I laughed at that line, above! Must be global climate changes - many here have caught the bug! Wishing you all "Get Better Soon" thoughts.

Thanks for posting this thread - interesting, esp as we don't get NE of PEOPLE.

Hmmm... I still feel the 'business trip' was a last minute, unplanned cold call to back up his sudden 'dash' from committing the crime (if the appointment was real at all).

Also, I read Fox was going to cover this tween 10:30 and 11 pm in last couple of days???

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Wasn't that so precious, that little girlie had a head on her shoulders, trying to help her mommy. Bandaids for her boo-boos. No wonder Sheriff Harrison felt so strongly about Cassidy.

:(

Scandi (& Bee's response) ... I so agree with your posts. And yes, also agree Meredith would have been the ideal person to talk to Cassidy. It irritates me JY had Xmas and NYear celebrating when he couldn't even answer one question to LE or MY's family. Wonder how MM is feeling about herself and her actions, choices and integrity these days? I mean ... adultery is bad enough... but.... her best friend!?

Beggars belief...

[Samiya]

:(

Scandi (& Bee's response) ... I so agree with your posts. And yes, also agree Meredith would have been the ideal person to talk to Cassidy. It irritates me JY had Xmas and NYear celebrating when he couldn't even answer one question to LE or MY's family. Wonder how MM is feeling about herself and her actions, choices and integrity these days? I mean ... adultery is bad enough... but.... her best friend!?

Beggars belief...Honestly hon I don't think she gives a hoot that it was her best friend. She didn't care then and she ain't gonna care now. But I do bet she's feeling like shyte because Michelle's gone but I reckon if Michelle was still alive she'd be carrying on business as usual.

Sami

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Honestly hon I don't think she gives a hoot that it was her best friend. She didn't care then and she ain't gonna care now. But I do bet she's feeling like shyte because Michelle's gone but I reckon if Michelle was still alive she'd be carrying on business as usual.

Sami

You're right! And .... in fact, stretching this thought - I'd go so far as to venture (IMO) that someone like this has to be either really, really ignorant - OR - borders on some type of Narcissism: cutting off the emotional and social consequences and obligations in pursuit of meeting her own goals. Personally, I do not believe these fundamental characters change at all. I believe they made be made AWARE - but I don't believe they change as it's inherent - intertwined in their DNA. (As in it's all about ME; how I feel; MY needs.)

The two are an integral part of ONE. Like ... if you're pregnant, you don't remove the belly, leave it on a shelf and carry on life as normal until the baby is ready.

I know, odd metaphor, lol. Put it down to my LemSip and fizzy vits.... but ya kno wot I is meaning, right? ;)

Basically MM exposed her true grit, IMO.

[close_enough]

Hi BarnGoddess. Yes, the flu. I started last Sunday. Then one child became sick each night till last night. Then my youngest threw up again this morning after being well since Tues morning. She's better now.

My husband got the flu shot a month ago and he's been sick the longest. :silenced:

If I use any more Lysol or Clorox my house is going to disappear!

Thanks for asking, and stay well!

Yikes!....hope the kids & hubby get well soon...those stomach bugs are hell, bless their hearts....

[packerdog]

In the article it said that Meredith was asked by JY to fetch a receipt for a purse that JY planned to give MY as a gift. This is very odd to me. First of all I think most women buy/pick out their own handbags. Second of all she would know how much it costs. My husband wouldn't have a clue what kind of handbag to buy me. I handle the finances, pay the bills and so on. I would also know the price of the handbag. This is the most fishy excuse I have heard.

[Taximom]

In the article it said that Meredith was asked by JY to fetch a receipt for a purse that JY planned to give MY as a gift. This is very odd to me. First of all I think most women buy/pick out their own handbags. Second of all she would know how much it costs. My husband wouldn't have a clue what kind of handbag to buy me. I handle the finances, pay the bills and so on. I would also know the price of the handbag. This is the most fishy excuse I have heard.
I sort of agree, but I know there are people out there that make detailed lists of what type of gift they'd like, especially for men if they don't have a clue how to shop. (ahem, no personal experience here! lol)

I think the timing of the "gift" is what is especially strange, as their anniversary had passed, and Christmas was too far away (IMO) to be shopping for the wife.

Then again, I think the timing is perfect if JY wanted someone else to find his dead wife while making it look like he cared for her by buying something for her.
:twocents:

[otto]

I sort of agree, but I know there are people out there that make detailed lists of what type of gift they'd like, especially for men if they don't have a clue how to shop. (ahem, no personal experience here! lol)

I think the timing of the "gift" is what is especially strange, as their anniversary had passed, and Christmas was too far away (IMO) to be shopping for the wife.

Then again, I think the timing is perfect if JY wanted someone else to find his dead wife while making it look like he cared for her by buying something for her.
:twocents:

I'm just thinking about how this receipt came to be. Jason was presumably in VA, or some place like that, the morning that Michelle was found. Did he go into a shop, buy the purse and then have the receipt faxed? Did he go online between his business meeting and driving to his parent's house to order the purse? That just seems like a funny thing to do between an out of town business meeting and heading for a parent visit. Why was it so important to order the purse on that morning while out of town knowing that the receipt would be faxed. In fact, I would bet that while ordering online there would have been an option to have the receipt mailed. It really is just too fishy. One of the obvious questions the police have for Jason is why he made that purchase when he did and why he elected to have the receipt faxed.

[Taximom]

I'm just thinking about how this receipt came to be. Jason was presumably in VA, or some place like that, the morning that Michelle was found. Did he go into a shop, buy the purse and then have the receipt faxed? Did he go online between his business meeting and driving to his parent's house to order the purse? That just seems like a funny thing to do between an out of town business meeting and heading for a parent visit. Why was it so important to order the purse on that morning while out of town knowing that the receipt would be faxed. In fact, I would bet that while ordering online there would have been an option to have the receipt mailed. It really is just too fishy. One of the obvious questions the police have for Jason is why he made that purchase when he did and why he elected to have the receipt faxed.
Which is exactly why the coward won't talk to police, right?! That whole thing is fishy, isn't it....

I haven't purchased much through the internet except through ebay or amazon but I've never had a receipt sent somewhere-or even printed one off. So the whole thing is strange to me. Confirmation of the purchase usually goes right to my email account.

[packerdog]

I sort of agree, but I know there are people out there that make detailed lists of what type of gift they'd like, especially for men if they don't have a clue how to shop. (ahem, no personal experience here! lol)

I think the timing of the "gift" is what is especially strange, as their anniversary had passed, and Christmas was too far away (IMO) to be shopping for the wife.

Then again, I think the timing is perfect if JY wanted someone else to find his dead wife while making it look like he cared for her by buying something for her.
:twocents:

I agree it is a good excuse to have MF go to the house. Who would want to ruin someones surprise gift from a loving husband, cough, cough? My husband doesn't even notice that I have a new purse, they all look the same to him as I have several. I just don't buy this lame excuse.

PS... I asked my husband if he thought my shoes matched my purse ok, he said yeah. He really wouldn't want to pick one out for me and that is ok by me.LOL

[otto]

Which is exactly why the coward won't talk to police, right?! That whole thing is fishy, isn't it....

I haven't purchased much through the internet except through ebay or amazon but I've never had a receipt sent somewhere-or even printed one off. So the whole thing is strange to me. Confirmation of the purchase usually goes right to my email account.

You are quite right. Even airline tiickets are confirmed via email. It's so typical of guys that think they've planned the perfect murder. They always get one little detail all wrong by under-estimating people. He probably thought that people aren't computer savvy, so having a receipt faxed may seem normal. It's anything but normal. I wonder what the company has to say about it. Do we know what kind of purse it was or where it was purchased? I'm thinking that we could go online and have a look at the purchasing options. I'm sure the police have looked into all of this and it has only caused them to be more suspicious than ever.

[Taximom]

I agree it is a good excuse to have MF go to the house. Who would want to ruin someones surprise gift from a loving husband, cough, cough? My husband doesn't even notice that I have a new purse, they all look the same to him as I have several. I just don't buy this lame excuse.

PS... I asked my husband if he thought my shoes matched my purse ok, he said yeah. He really wouldn't want to pick one out for me and that is ok by me.LOL
My husband just gets me gift cards now. I know he still loves me (some people equate gift cards as a thoughtless gift), but he just has terrible taste. (Sorry, hon.)

Our local newspaper once had a "worst-dressed" contest and I almost entered him, but I knew he'd win and that would probably be embarrassing to him! We've had long discussions about how teal and green aren't the same thing, and shouldn't be worn at the same time! (cringing)

Maybe Jason was different. :silenced:

[Taximom]

You are quite right. Even airline tiickets are confirmed via email. It's so typical of guys that think they've planned the perfect murder. They always get one little detail all wrong by under-estimating people. He probably thought that people aren't computer savvy, so having a receipt faxed may seem normal. It's anything but normal. I wonder what the company has to say about it. Do we know what kind of purse it was or where it was purchased? I'm thinking that we could go online and have a look at the purchasing options. I'm sure the police have looked into all of this and it has only caused them to be more suspicious than ever.
He had to find some way of getting Meredith over there to find Michelle, right? What are some other options if you did the crime and needed someone to find her before you came home?

I guess we still don't know if he knew if MY was to be at work or not that day, do we?

[jilly]

I agree it is a good excuse to have MF go to the house. Who would want to ruin someones surprise gift from a loving husband, cough, cough? My husband doesn't even notice that I have a new purse, they all look the same to him as I have several. I just don't buy this lame excuse.

PS... I asked my husband if he thought my shoes matched my purse ok, he said yeah. He really wouldn't want to pick one out for me and that is ok by me.LOL

I'm with you on the purse. This did cross my mind when I heard about this because I think it's a standard rule too - never buy a purse for a woman. That is unless it's pointed out specifically. It's a very personal item. My sister-in-law bought one for me years ago and I was actually offended.

[jilly]

You are quite right. Even airline tiickets are confirmed via email. It's so typical of guys that think they've planned the perfect murder. They always get one little detail all wrong by under-estimating people. He probably thought that people aren't computer savvy, so having a receipt faxed may seem normal. It's anything but normal. I wonder what the company has to say about it. Do we know what kind of purse it was or where it was purchased? I'm thinking that we could go online and have a look at the purchasing options. I'm sure the police have looked into all of this and it has only caused them to be more suspicious than ever.

CTV insiders are saying it was a Coach purse.

Also, about the purse - seems it was a bit too early for a Christmas gift (what man buys a Christmas present on line the beginning of Nov.Their anniversary had past and she wasn't having a birthday.

[otto]

He had to find some way of getting Meredith over there to find Michelle, right? What are some other options if you did the crime and needed someone to find her before you came home?

I guess we still don't know if he knew if MY was to be at work or not that day, do we?

It would have made more sense, and less contrived, if he had called Meredith and said that he'd tried to reach Michelle at work, at home and on her cell phone but couldn't reach her ... so would she mind popping over to the house to make sure everything was okay. The only way this would seem unusual is if he rarely checked with Michelle when he was out of town.

[otto]

CTV insiders are saying it was a Coach purse.

Also, about the purse - seems it was a bit too early for a Christmas gift (what man buys a Christmas present on line the beginning of Nov.Their anniversary had past and she wasn't having a birthday.

Here's the link to their purchasing information: http://www.coach.com/cservice/FaqTemplate.aspx?faq_id=2

"Once you place an order with coach.com, we will provide you with a confirmation number and summary of your order. In addition, we will send you an order confirmation email within one hour. "

[Taximom]

Here's the link to their purchasing information: http://www.coach.com/cservice/FaqTemplate.aspx?faq_id=2

"Once you place an order with coach.com, we will provide you with a confirmation number and summary of your order. In addition, we will send you an order confirmation email within one hour. "Good sleuthing, Otto. Is there an option to receive a faxed confirmation?

[jilly]

Confirmation within one hour !!!

[otto]

Good sleuthing, Otto. Is there an option to receive a faxed confirmation?

There is this option: "Can I fax or mail my online order?
Yes. Please process your order online and print the Mail/Fax order form where prompted. You can either mail it to Coach at the specified address or fax it to the number indicated at the bottom of the form."

This option would be used if someone was going to mail or fax the purchase request to them. If it was ordered from Coach.com, then someone would have had to request that it be faxed rather than emailed, but that doesn't jump out as an option as far as I can see.

[otto]

Confirmation within one hour !!!

Good point. That definitely means that somewhere, while on the road, Jason decided to order this purse between his business meeting and going to see his parents. Who stops to do that in the middle of their travels? He could have waited until he got to his parents place to order the purse.

[Taximom]

There is this option: "Can I fax or mail my online order?
Yes. Please process your order online and print the Mail/Fax order form where prompted. You can either mail it to Coach at the specified address or fax it to the number indicated at the bottom of the form."

This option would be used if someone was going to mail or fax the purchase request to them. If it was ordered from Coach.com, then someone would have had to request that it be faxed rather than emailed, but that doesn't jump out as an option as far as I can see.
So one can fax their order TO Coach, but there's no clear option to have a confirmation faxed to you.

Someone a few threads back diagnosed the fax possibilities but I'm not searching for it now! lol My little brain can't figure out how you have a confirmation print out via fax to a distant pc/printer. :waitasec:

This is going to be oh-so-interesting when all the details eventually become public.

[otto]

So one can fax their order TO Coach, but there's no clear option to have a confirmation faxed to you.

Someone a few threads back diagnosed the fax possibilities but I'm not searching for it now! lol My little brain can't figure out how you have a confirmation print out via fax to a distant pc/printer. :waitasec:

This is going to be oh-so-interesting when all the details eventually become public.

The complete remark about ordering is as follows:

"How will I know Coach received my online order?
Once you place an order with coach.com, we will provide you with a confirmation number and summary of your order. In addition, we will send you an order confirmation email within one hour. If you do not receive your confirmation information within 24 hours, feel free to call Coach Consumer Service at 1-888-262-6224, to confirm that Coach has received your order."

There is absolutely nothing about faxing. I think that many people don't have a fax machine at home (I don't) so it wouldn't be a standard option.

I guess, in terms of having a fax sent to a remote printer, someone would enter their home fax number as the place where it has to be sent. Jason didn't need to have this faxed.

Oh, and you're absolutely right. Jason had the option of filling out the paperwork online and printing it out so he could fax or mail it to the company at a later time.

[panthera]

In the article it said that Meredith was asked by JY to fetch a receipt for a purse that JY planned to give MY as a gift. This is very odd to me. First of all I think most women buy/pick out their own handbags. Second of all she would know how much it costs. My husband wouldn't have a clue what kind of handbag to buy me. I handle the finances, pay the bills and so on. I would also know the price of the handbag. This is the most fishy excuse I have heard.I don't buy it either. Was Michelle that type of person anyway, who would be interested in an expensive handbag, or would she want the money spent on Cassidy? She was also expecting another child and would be thinking of things for the baby, not herself!

[raisincharlie]

I will tell you from experience - the worst gift in the world a man can buy his wife is a purse - she will accept it and appreciate the thought but... It will never, ever, be the right one no matter if you ask her friends about it or not! Her friends may know her or may see what they like but this will not work either.

Someone mentioned a purse being very personal - I went shopping with my wife one time for a purse and spent at least an hour watching in pure amazement. What I thought was nice, (not saying a word), she passed over very quickly. There are just some things which should be totally left off the gift list - a purse is one. Way too many things to consider ! :)

[packerdog]

I will tell you from experience - the worst gift in the world a man can buy his wife is a purse - she will accept it and appreciate the thought but... It will never, ever, be the right one no matter if you ask her friends about it or not! Her friends may know her or may see what they like but this will not work either.

Someone mentioned a purse being very personal - I went shopping with my wife one time for a purse and spent at least an hour watching in pure amazement. What I thought was nice, (not saying a word), she passed over very quickly. There are just some things which should be totally left off the gift list - a purse is one. Way too many things to consider ! :)

Exactly, it takes me hours to find the right one.

What was he going to put in the purse, IOU's? If they were having financial problems, the last thing I think they would buy is an expensive purse. If MY was planning on cutting her work hours to stay at home, I don't think she would ask for an expensive purse. A new diaper bag maybe.

[jilly]

:twocents: I think they may have been living the yuppie good life so to speak. And don't forget Michelle was planning on going with the girls on that spa weekend and those weekends aren't cheap. That was before Christmas and the new baby and the suggested plan to scale back on her hours at work.

[panthera]

the issue is dated Janauary 22nd....it arrived on the news-stands here in TN yesterday, January12th....you won't be able to miss it...it has WHO KILLED MICHELLE? in bold yellow letters on the cover....I picked it up yesterday and it is a good article, and even better photos. Jason sure doesn't come across in a good light though, especially regarding his lack of cooperation with LE.

[jilly]

I was in the supermarket yesterday and forgot all about buying it! :doh:

[panthera]

I was in the supermarket yesterday and forgot all about buying it! :doh:You really should get it, even though the information in the article is the same as what we already know, the pictures of Michelle and Cassidy are great. :)

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Ooooh... am 'bout to go to sleep, jilly-girl.... but wow .... if you or ANYone could scan the page/article, would be great .... otherwise er, .... a few snippets here 'n there ....ehem, would be just as warmly acknowledged as a Godsend :D

Blessings to all: 'Night... Polk :)

[panthera]

Ooooh... am 'bout to go to sleep, jilly-girl.... but wow .... if you or ANYone could scan the page/article, would be great .... otherwise er, .... a few snippets here 'n there ....ehem, would be just as warmly acknowledged as a Godsend :D

Blessings to all: 'Night... Polk :)It's online at http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20007855,00.html

[Taximom]

It's online at http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20007855,00.html
Aw, you got my hopes up! I'm not a current subscriber....rats.

PSA, I'll send you one if you want. I have yet to get my own, but probably will tonight.

[panthera]

Aw, you got my hopes up! I'm not a current subscriber....rats.

Sorry Taximom, but I thought it might help those who can't find one at the store, or get to a store! ;)

[otto]

Sorry Taximom, but I thought it might help those who can't find one at the store, or get to a store! ;)

This has been posted before, but in case you missed it: http://www.wral.com/news/local/image_gallery/1133597

Maybe print it and use a magnifying glass?

[jilly]

You really should get it, even though the information in the article is the same as what we already know, the pictures of Michelle and Cassidy are great. :)

Oh I plan to get it tomorrow panthera!

Annie - if you want I can send you your own copy if you want to pm me your address. Otherwise I can try and scan it for you if you pm me your email?

[panthera]

This has been posted before, but in case you missed it: http://www.wral.com/news/local/image_gallery/1133597

Maybe print it and use a magnifying glass?You're funny, otto! I have the magazine so I'll pass on needing the magnifying glass :)

[close_enough]

you all make me smile:)

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Oh I plan to get it tomorrow panthera!

Annie - if you want I can send you your own copy if you want to pm me your address. Otherwise I can try and scan it for you if you pm me your email?

You're an absolute hunny-bun! Thanks, jilly .... and you too otto for posting that link...

pm-ing! Wow ... tku, tku, tku ... :blowkiss:

[Samiya]

http://celebrity.aol.com/people/ataol/articles/0,,20007855,00.html

Stolen from ctv :angel:

This is the full People mag report.............and readable :)

Sami

[raisincharlie]

You really should get it, even though the information in the article is the same as what we already know, the pictures of Michelle and Cassidy are great. :)
I managed to find one tidbit in it that we did not know and I will take it as being so because it came from LE - Richard Johnson who indicated he spoke with JY, expressed his condolences and told JY that LE needed his help - Johnson went on to say that JY was not cooperative from the very begining starting with the phone conversation.

This was I believe before any arrangements for a lawyer could have been made and if Pop was the influence for this even at the time LE spoke with JY on the phone - one seriously has to wonder why. He who has nothing to hide, hides nothing. For me this tidbit was most telling - if on finding out about MY, JY goes into an immediate defensive posture, even if at the urging of Pop, no one wasted much time worrying about MY, their time was spent worrying about protecting JY.

JMO - that absolutely stinks. Was there an obvious reason - perhaps a black eye, a chipped or broken tooth ? Something was amiss that put this family into a defensive posture that quickly IMO

Second thing about that article that picqued my interest is throughout the article, there was no indication that JY intended to stay at his parents for the night - the article seems to indicate completely the opposite. Maybe poor investigative journalism or an oh well, no one in the JY family will talk to us so we'll just put it this way and let it run. I don't know what to make of this.

JMO

[Taximom]

Thanks, Sami! :woohoo: (and CTV too I guess)

raisin, one sentence you wrote got me in my already scratchy throat:
"no one wasted much time worrying about MY, their time was spent worrying about protecting JY."

I'm telling ya (preaching to the choir, right?) JY learned his behavior SOMEWHERE and right now all is pointing to his mom and step-dad. I bet he was the "perfect" son. (cough, gag, choke)

[raisincharlie]

Thanks, Sami! :woohoo: (and CTV too I guess)

raisin, one sentence you wrote got me in my already scratchy throat:
"no one wasted much time worrying about MY, their time was spent worrying about protecting JY."

I'm telling ya (preaching to the choir, right?) JY learned his behavior SOMEWHERE and right now all is pointing to his mom and step-dad. I bet he was the "perfect" son. (cough, gag, choke)
Sorry luv ! Perhaps my judgement of that was a bit harsh but if this fellow refuses to comply even at the initial phone call - there is something to that smoke IMO.

[Taximom]

Sorry luv ! Perhaps my judgement of that was a bit harsh but if this fellow refuses to comply even at the initial phone call - there is something to that smoke IMO.
Nope, not harsh at all. What's that about the apple not falling far from the tree? :cool: In this case, a wormy apple.

I just finished reading the People article and hoped for some tiny tidbit...but for naught.

It still bothers me that JY was "stunned" and "fell to his knees" upon hearing the news of MY's death. Did he say "WHAT? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?" or ask any other questions like "What about Cassidy?"

I bet not. And I bet that's why Daddy Dearest got an attorney on the job pronto. You don't just fall to your knees and accept that a loved one has been murdered or found dead right away. Yeah, yeah, I know "there's no handbook on how one handles grief". :silenced:

I know we've discussed this before, so I'll stop!!! It just aggravates me. If Daddy Dearest expected that comment to change the way I feel about JY and his innocence...WRONG.

[packerdog]

TaxiMom, I am with ya there. If someone tells you such news about your loved one, I don't think it would even register at first. You would think that the person telling you was mistaken. Thats how I would be anyway.

Charlie, I picked up on that as well, about Jason's phone conversation with LE. I would think he would have had hundreds of questions for them. I know that if I was in a state of shock my parents would have asked the questions for me. Seems all of them thought it was more important to get a lawyer so that he could talk to LE.

[nanandjim]

If my husband were murdered while I was away on a day trip, I would be absolutely in shock. I would speed race home and to police headquarters. I would not be able to believe it. I would want to see my husband. I would be asking so many questions. I would be yelling and screaming and helping police any way that I could. I would be asking what they were doing about the case every day. I would ask if there was anything that I could do. A lawyer would be the last thought on my mind. The only way that I would hire an attorney is if the police told me that I failed my polygraph and that they were suspicious of me. I of course would tell them they were out of their minds!! It would not stop me from hounding them to find the killer!!

[packerdog]

I agree Nan. It was not that he was told she had been in a car accident, which would be terrible. But murdered? I would be searching my mind on the way to the police dept. of who could have killed my spouse.

[NewMom2003]

I'm jumping in late on this case, but from what I've read I think her husband killed her or had her killed. The one thing that really gets me is why do it in front of their daughter? Why would he risk his daughter's physical and emotional safety? Unless of course he is a sociopath. This story reminds me more and more of Laci and Scott everyday. So sad and such a waste.

I'm anxious to read more and get my facts straight so I can post with you guys. :) Be easy on me, I'm sure I'll ask questions that have been covered already. :waitasec:

[BarnGoddess]

RaisinCharlie

Second thing about that article that picqued my interest is throughout the article, there was no indication that JY intended to stay at his parents for the night - the article seems to indicate completely the opposite. Maybe poor investigative journalism or an oh well, no one in the JY family will talk to us so we'll just put it this way and let it run. I don't know what to make of this.

Interesting. Do we know if he had plans to attend the football game or celebrate in get-togethers that weekend? MY apparently had plans to do so with friends. Was he included? I would think he would head home after a meeting rather than go to Brevard if it was such a big alumni weekend.

I'll have to see if Safeway has the new issue in yet. It didn't Monday.

[panthera]

I'm telling ya (preaching to the choir, right?) JY learned his behavior SOMEWHERE and right now all is pointing to his mom and step-dad. I bet he was the "perfect" son. (cough, gag, choke)Sounds a lot like dear little Scotty, now doesn't it? :rolleyes:

[panthera]

I agree Nan. It was not that he was told she had been in a car accident, which would be terrible. But murdered? I would be searching my mind on the way to the police dept. of who could have killed my spouse.Of course, he didn't have to wonder who did it since he already knew. First clue that he's guilty.

[raisincharlie]

RaisinCharlie
Interesting. Do we know if he had plans to attend the football game or celebrate in get-togethers that weekend? MY apparently had plans to do so with friends. Was he included? I would think he would head home after a meeting rather than go to Brevard if it was such a big alumni weekend.

I'll have to see if Safeway has the new issue in yet. It didn't Monday.
BarnGoddess - check post 63 above by Sami - she posted a link where you can read most of the article.

I have heard mixed stories about the weekend plans for homecoming so truthfully, I'm not sure whether there were plans to attend the big game or other festivities or not. I agree - it seems to me that being homecoming weekend with friends from out of town now in town - one would have wanted to go home to partake - only one person knows and hopefully LE has figured it out.

RC

[raisincharlie]

I'm jumping in late on this case, but from what I've read I think her husband killed her or had her killed. The one thing that really gets me is why do it in front of their daughter? Why would he risk his daughter's physical and emotional safety? Unless of course he is a sociopath. This story reminds me more and more of Laci and Scott everyday. So sad and such a waste.

I'm anxious to read more and get my facts straight so I can post with you guys. :) Be easy on me, I'm sure I'll ask questions that have been covered already. :waitasec:
NewMom2003,

Jump in, we'll help answer your questions if we can - lots of patience here ! Lots of time to talk about it right now as well - so have at it ! And welcome !:)

You're right I think - it is so similar to the the Peterson case - very spooky!

[scandi]

Good Morning,

There were three things I thought were noteworthy since we had heard all of the rest:

* Police won't say whether such a meeting occured.

* . .if he was due back that night.

* Young "has not been ruled out as a suspect." {acc to Johnson, LE}

Don't you think that is interesting police won't say there even was a meeting? I do! lol And the way I read when he was due back home seems to be completely open, as if no one knew this. What it does for me is open up the possibility he wasn't due home that night, as the word if expresses some doubt.

The most important thing I caught though was that he hasn't been ruled out as a suspect. For a guy who has never been named a suspect in the case, and only listed as a POI, it really says a lot I think.

[panthera]

Good Morning,

There were three things I thought were noteworthy since we had heard all of the rest:

* Police won't say whether such a meeting occured.

* . .if he was due back that night.

* Young "has not been ruled out as a suspect." {acc to Johnson, LE}

Don't you think that is interesting police won't say there even was a meeting? I do! lol And the way I read when he was due back home seems to be completely open, as if no one knew this. What it does for me is open up the possibility he wasn't due home that night, as the word if expresses some doubt.

The most important thing I caught though was that he hasn't been ruled out as a suspect. For a guy who has never been named a suspect in the case, and only listed as a POI, it really says a lot I think.Hi scandi! It sure seems there is still a whole lot of information that we've not been made aware of~ obviously good investigation keeping it close to the vest by LE. I'd think by now that there would either be confirmation or denial of some of the important parts of the case~ like Jason's meeting, the evidence back from the lab (it's now 2-1/2 mo. after the murder) and so forth, but we just get little bits and pieces. Guess we'll just wait and see!

[scandi]

I'm wondering about this clip: "Police won't say whether such a meeting occured" in any way could mean JY hatched a plan to kill her and he wanted to have some good reason to be out of town so he didn't have to find the body.

It was his 'insider' friend ConcernedCitizen posting at CTV who told us all about that meeting, that it was at 9am in Blacksburg Va, and also that he had called and talked to Michell at 11pm on the night he left home. CC also gives us a timeline for him leaving the house, saying at first he left as they were coming in which would be about 8pm, an hour before the show started to have wine and crackers beforehand.

None of that info which we have been using has been verified by LE that I know of. Yes, he did drive to Va as we know for positive there is not a Get It Market in NC.

What he could have done is taken a long round about way to get to Brevard, first gassing up, renting a motel room in VA to prove he was there, doubling back to kill her, drive back to the motel to pick up his receipt, shower and maybe change clothes, drive to the western tip of Va and then down to Brevard.

With the rumors of a divorce and knowledge of his affair with MM, Michelle could have ordered him to be gone by that night, which would certainly go towards explaining part of the motive and why MY's good friend Rhett Fussell stated when he left he had several suitcases in tow. I'm still trying to find a link to that but do remember reading it.

[panthera]

scandi~ excellent thoughts as usual. I've always thought the call to Meredith was a ruse for several reasons, and that the business trip was too coincidental, in other words that he'd arranged to have his tracks covered. Now if Fussell actually did see several suitcases with Jason as he was leaving the house, it sure doesn't look like a business trip, but that he'd been asked to move out. I'd think the phone call that was supposed to have taken place at 11pm could be verified as well as how long the call was. And it's quite likely he checked into a motel then drove back to Raleigh, back to the motel, and so forth within that time frame during the night. If there was no real business meeting to get to the next morning, he'd have plenty of time.

[raisincharlie]

I'm wondering about this clip: "Police won't say whether such a meeting occured" in any way could mean JY hatched a plan to kill her and he wanted to have some good reason to be out of town so he didn't have to find the body.

It was his 'insider' friend ConcernedCitizen posting at CTV who told us all about that meeting, that it was at 9am in Blacksburg Va, and also that he had called and talked to Michell at 11pm on the night he left home. CC also gives us a timeline for him leaving the house, saying at first he left as they were coming in which would be about 8pm, an hour before the show started to have wine and crackers beforehand.

None of that info which we have been using has been verified by LE that I know of. Yes, he did drive to Va as we know for positive there is not a Get It Market in NC.

What he could have done is taken a long round about way to get to Brevard, first gassing up, renting a motel room in VA to prove he was there, doubling back to kill her, drive back to the motel to pick up his receipt, shower and maybe change clothes, drive to the western tip of Va and then down to Brevard.

With the rumors of a divorce and knowledge of his affair with MM, Michelle could have ordered him to be gone by that night, which would certainly go towards explaining part of the motive and why MY's good friend Rhett Fussell stated when he left he had several suitcases in tow. I'm still trying to find a link to that but do remember reading it.
Morning Scandi - hope all is well with you !

I think the way you have laid this out in your post seems very plausible. I have not yet come to believe there was any kind of scheduled meeting however I think the Blacksburg area may indeed be very realistic. Way back in the begining we looked at ChartOne job postings - there were openings in the Blacksburg area. Seems to me until that position was filled, JY may have had the opportunity to travel in that direction.

One thing that kind of makes me believe JY had lots of freedom to roam with his job is that I believe ChartOne doesn't have conventional offices scattered about. I have come to think JYs job was very free and he actually worked from home and on the road - no 9 to 5 office. This is also why I think he could have arranged everything he was going to do on November 3, thus no schedule. Going back to a supposed 9 am meeting in Blacksburg - very easily met even driving from the home in Raleigh in the early morning hours of the 3rd - he could have been in the home up until 430 to 500 am. Going out on a limb - if there was a scheduled meeting - it was arranged extremely quickly IMO. Right now - without JYs cooperation and only with cell phone data, I don't know if LE even knows if there was a scheduled meeting and who it might have been with or even where unless this data was reported to ChartOne proper.

Lots of folks, because this case is dragging out, have assumed that LE cannot find a way for JY to be in the home between 12 and 6 am. I'm thinking LE can only trace a route and may not be able to locate specifically where JY was and who he met with on the 3rd in Virginia. Without this, there is no way to verify his appearance, his demeanor, or even his physical description on the 3rd. I have heard that someone did speak with the manager of the Get it Market in Duffield and that LE did check that location and did sieze video from the store. If LE cannot confirm JYs meeting - they will be left to waiting for discovery from a defense team, if it goes to trial. This would put LE and a prosecutor in a bit of a bind - JMO this is the hang up - not if JY could have been in the home between 12 and 6 am.

Did this make any sense ?

[scandi]

Yes it does make sense Charlie. It will have to be up to the defense to prove he couldn't have been at the home at the time she was killed, which does not mean he actually wasn't there.

I thought it was up to the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he had the opportunity to kill her, if he is brought to trial.

Hi Panthera, I went back and pulled this article which does include some info from Rhett Fussell:

http://www.newsobserver.com/141/story/511581.html


The article contains this info which I thought was very interesting!
Snipet
" . .Jason Young has said he slipped out that evening to get a head start for an early morning sales meeting in Virginia, according to Fussell, who said he talked to Jason Young at his wife's funeral."

It well could be that JY used Rhett to put out his alibi.

[raisincharlie]

[QUOTE=scandi]Yes it does make sense Charlie. It will have to be up to the defense to prove he couldn't have been at the home at the time she was killed, which does not mean he actually wasn't there.

I thought it was up to the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he had the opportunity to kill her, if he is brought to trial.
<snip>

QUOTE]

You lost me here Scandi.

I don't think the defense has to prove JY wasn't there, just present reasonable doubt. I.e if the defense knows where JY was (they will know as JY would have told them) and who saw him and if that person can say JY was on time, clean, bright eyed and bushy tailed - well that kind of presents a problem for the state. This is why I don't think LE has identified exactly where this "meeting" was or who was present or even if it was a pre-arranged meeting. I also don't think ChartOne knows. I am seriously hoping the computers can locate this supposed meeting. I also think this is another reason JY lawyered up immediately - IMO there was no set meeting. JY has told people, at a funeral for his wife no less, that there was, they will testify to such - the state needs that information and I don't think LE has it IMO.

"he was at certain places, at certain times"

[NewMom2003]

Thanks for the welcome raisincharlie! Right now I'm just reading through threads trying to figure out who's who, the timeline, etc. trying to get up to speed. ;)

Where is Cassidy now? I read that MY's parents have not seen her since the funeral?

Has the mistress made a statement about Michelle's murder? Has she implicated JY at all? Does she have an alibi?

[raisincharlie]

Thanks for the welcome raisincharlie! Right now I'm just reading through threads trying to figure out who's who, the timeline, etc. trying to get up to speed. ;)

Where is Cassidy now? I read that MY's parents have not seen her since the funeral?

Has the mistress made a statement about Michelle's murder? Has she implicated JY at all? Does she have an alibi?Afternoon NewMom,

From the last media reports, Cassidy is with Jason in Brevard. It is unclear if they are staying with his sister and her family or if they are staying with his Mom and Step-Dad. One of the news reports from January 2 or 3 I believe was a short article about Linda Fisher - Cassidy's maternal grandmom - in this article Mrs. Fisher indicates that she had not seen Cassidy since the killing.

The supposed mistress is Michelle Money of Ocoee Florida. She has made no public statements, at least reported statements, about the murder nor has she publically implicated Jason. There have been no reports as to her location at the time of the murder however LE did serve a warrant at her home to confiscate her computer. She is reported to be cooperating with LE but there are no reports defining what that cooperation may entail.

For your information - here is a link to several articles issued by WRAL - the Raleigh local tv station very active in following the case.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story_gallery/1065978/

Hope this helps you.

RC

[panthera]

[QUOTE=scandi]Yes it does make sense Charlie. It will have to be up to the defense to prove he couldn't have been at the home at the time she was killed, which does not mean he actually wasn't there.

I thought it was up to the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he had the opportunity to kill her, if he is brought to trial.
<snip>

QUOTE]

You lost me here Scandi.

I don't think the defense has to prove JY wasn't there, just present reasonable doubt. I.e if the defense knows where JY was (they will know as JY would have told them) and who saw him and if that person can say JY was on time, clean, bright eyed and bushy tailed - well that kind of presents a problem for the state. This is why I don't think LE has identified exactly where this "meeting" was or who was present or even if it was a pre-arranged meeting. I also don't think ChartOne knows. I am seriously hoping the computers can locate this supposed meeting. I also think this is another reason JY lawyered up immediately - IMO there was no set meeting. JY has told people, at a funeral for his wife no less, that there was, they will testify to such - the state needs that information and I don't think LE has it IMO.

"he was at certain places, at certain times"The defense could choose not to even call one witness or put on a case. It's up to the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that <whoever> committed the murder. If it's Jason who eventually is on trial, I'm sure the defense would want to show that he couldn't have murdered his wife, either by some alibi or his character(*ha ha*).

[scandi]

You're in good company here NewMom to learn everything we kinow. :) It is a n extremely slow moving case and don't think we really have confirmed answers on your questions. We're starving as all sleuthers are, but I have read many comments lately from well known posters who feel time is drawing near for something big to pop open in the case!

BTW, I have always loved your addy with the children playing. Neato

[jilly]

Lots of folks, because this case is dragging out, have assumed that LE cannot find a way for JY to be in the home between 12 and 6 am. I'm thinking LE can only trace a route and may not be able to locate specifically where JY was and who he met with on the 3rd in Virginia. Without this, there is no way to verify his appearance, his demeanor, or even his physical description on the 3rd. I have heard that someone did speak with the manager of the Get it Market in Duffield and that LE did check that location and did sieze video from the store. If LE cannot confirm JYs meeting - they will be left to waiting for discovery from a defense team, if it goes to trial. This would put LE and a prosecutor in a bit of a bind - JMO this is the hang up - not if JY could have been in the home between 12 and 6 am.

Did this make any sense ?

I'm not sure if I'm following you RC but it might be that Chart One would know every single customer of JYs. Could be that for every customer a salesman gets, an order is placed and Head Office (Chart One) would open up an account. The only time where Chart One would not know, imo, might be on the first visit to this customer soliciting business but then JYs phone records and emails could reveal that.

[raisincharlie]

I'm not sure if I'm following you RC but it might be that Chart One would know every single customer of JYs. Could be that for every customer a salesman gets, an order is placed and Head Office (Chart One) would open up an account. The only time where Chart One would not know, imo, might be on the first visit to this customer soliciting business but then JYs phone records and emails could reveal that.
Jilly,


For some reason I don't believe anymore now than I did in the begining that there was a scheduled meeting between JY and a client on 3 November in VA. I agree, Chart One would know his customers based on sales, but would Chart One know ahead of time where JY would have gone on 3 November ? I don't think so.

I also agree that if JY contacted customers or potential customers that LE could indeed figure that out from phone records and then interviewing at those locations. But what if LE cannot figure out exactly where this meeting was suppose to be ?

This from the Peep Mag bugs me: "Jason Young, 32, had apparently been away on an overnight business trip. What happened next surprised them. "Italked to [Jason], offered him condolences and said, 'I'm sorry for the timing, but we need your assistance in this case,' " says Wake County Sheriff Chief of Operations Richard Johnson. "And he has refused to comply." This implies, at least IMO, that JY refused to tell LE anything even in this first conversation.

Of course my suspicious brain is wondering why JY did not tell LE right then and there I was at such and such meeting in xxx VA at --time on November 3. It doublely bugs me because Rhett Fussell was quoted as saying JY told him at Michelle's funeral he had an early morning business meeting in VA. (establishing an alibi that would be repeated by a parrot?) First why talk about this at a funeral (he was so distraught he had to tell where he was instead of asking this friend if he knew of anyone who might have been at the house?) ? Why tell a friend but not LE ? It makes zero sense to me for this man to not flat give LE his alibi upfront unless of course it doesn't check out to start with IMO.

I simply do not believe there was a scheduled business meeting anywhere in VA nor do I believe JY actually attended a meeting of any substance in VA. I think LE is still trying to find out if such an event occured - phone records may put JY "in a certain place at a certain time" but they do not tell if he was sitting in a meeting. LE needs to verify this and a Prosecutor is going to demand to know this information. I do think LE can make a case for JY killing his wife, I just don't think this piece of the puzzle has been filled in yet - just a gut feeling.:crazy:

[Samiya]

Jilly,


For some reason I don't believe anymore now than I did in the begining that there was a scheduled meeting between JY and a client on 3 November in VA. I agree, Chart One would know his customers based on sales, but would Chart One know ahead of time where JY would have gone on 3 November ? I don't think so.

I also agree that if JY contacted customers or potential customers that LE could indeed figure that out from phone records and then interviewing at those locations. But what if LE cannot figure out exactly where this meeting was suppose to be ?

This from the Peep Mag bugs me: "Jason Young, 32, had apparently been away on an overnight business trip. What happened next surprised them. "Italked to [Jason], offered him condolences and said, 'I'm sorry for the timing, but we need your assistance in this case,' " says Wake County Sheriff Chief of Operations Richard Johnson. "And he has refused to comply." This implies, at least IMO, that JY refused to tell LE anything even in this first conversation.

Of course my suspicious brain is wondering why JY did not tell LE right then and there I was at such and such meeting in xxx VA at --time on November 3. It doublely bugs me because Rhett Fussell was quoted as saying JY told him at Michelle's funeral he had an early morning business meeting in VA. (establishing an alibi that would be repeated by a parrot?) First why talk about this at a funeral (he was so distraught he had to tell where he was instead of asking this friend if he knew of anyone who might have been at the house?) ? Why tell a friend but not LE ? It makes zero sense to me for this man to not flat give LE his alibi upfront unless of course it doesn't check out to start with IMO.

I simply do not believe there was a scheduled business meeting anywhere in VA nor do I believe JY actually attended a meeting of any substance in VA. I think LE is still trying to find out if such an event occured - phone records may put JY "in a certain place at a certain time" but they do not tell if he was sitting in a meeting. LE needs to verify this and a Prosecutor is going to demand to know this information. I do think LE can make a case for JY killing his wife, I just don't think this piece of the puzzle has been filled in yet - just a gut feeling.:crazy:Helloie And Hugs....

I think that if there was such a meeting, the LE would've had no problem letting the public know :)

Sami
xxx

[scandi]

I'm beginning to think the same thing too Charlie. Like I said earlier today, I think he hatched a plan that needed a good excuse to get him out of town cause he didn't want to be around when the body was found.

I'm beginning to think he is a :chicken: chit kind of a guy with no backbone. Out of town, out of words upon his return, saying OK guys catch me if you can. Kinda cocky. Who ever said this was a very nice guy? He ditched his baby girl and left her with a dead body, alone in an empty house.

I think when he left that house he had finalized and set up his plan, went to his motel room with a bottle to perfect his plan and gather his guts, and then went back to kill her.

I truthfully don't think he could have actually killed her in that overdone and gory scene and then left his little girl helpless and all alone with her dead mother unless he had been drinking. The driving and drinking - I have known several guys who can be sooo drunk and amazingly they get to their destination ;)

That's what I would do if I were going to kill someone. Go to a bar and have a few while I perfect my plan. :p :p :p Can you tell I'm getting ready for some big news before I go :crazy: :crazy: LOLOLOL

[raisincharlie]

I'm beginning to think the same thing too Charlie. Like I said earlier today, I think he hatched a plan that needed a good excuse to get him out of town cause he didn't want to be around when the body was found.

I'm beginning to think he is a :chicken: chit kind of a guy with no backbone. Out of town, out of words upon his return, saying OK guys catch me if you can. Kinda cocky. Who ever said this was a very nice guy? He ditched his baby girl and left her with a dead body, alone in an empty house.

I think when he left that house he had finalized and set up his plan, went to his motel room with a bottle to perfect his plan and gather his guts, and then went back to kill her.

I truthfully don't think he could have actually killed her in that overdone and gory scene and then left his little girl helpless and all alone with her dead mother unless he had been drinking. The driving and drinking - I have known several guys who can be sooo drunk and amazingly they get to their destination ;)

That's what I would do if I were going to kill someone. Go to a bar and have a few while I perfect my plan. :p :p :p Can you tell I'm getting ready for some big news before I go :crazy: :crazy: LOLOLOL
I think I am further pushed down this road by the search warrant for the SUV and the fact that it was detained at MF's house. It was Major Johnson that said he spoke to JY on the 3rd and if you look at the warrant for the SUV it was the same Major Johnson who inspected the vehicle and noted the appearance of what looked like blood spots. Something set his hinky meter off big time during the phone call I think. Why would LE detain this vehicle and do such an inspection of a vehicle that was supposedly in Virgina at the time of the murder ?

Maybe its the lull in the case that has me thinking - don't know but something is not adding up, on my tally sheet at least, right from the begining IMO.

P.S. - did you notice the link I put in my sig line - just for you!:crazy:

[pack_fan]

I think I am further pushed down this road by the search warrant for the SUV and the fact that it was detained at MF's house. It was Major Johnson that said he spoke to JY on the 3rd and if you look at the warrant for the SUV it was the same Major Johnson who inspected the vehicle and noted the appearance of what looked like blood spots. Something set his hinky meter off big time during the phone call I think. Why would LE detain this vehicle and do such an inspection of a vehicle that was supposedly in Virgina at the time of the murder ?

Maybe its the lull in the case that has me thinking - don't know but something is not adding up, on my tally sheet at least, right from the begining IMO.

P.S. - did you notice the link I put in my sig line - just for you!:crazy:
IMO, Jason was suspected very early on. Just an opinion but seems that some that attended the funeral mentioned that the families were not supportive of each other at all and had basically no contact. Just a guess of course but either they wanted the car very badly to meet him at MF's house or someone requested that they be present.

[Taximom]

I'm not sure if I'm following you RC but it might be that Chart One would know every single customer of JYs. Could be that for every customer a salesman gets, an order is placed and Head Office (Chart One) would open up an account. The only time where Chart One would not know, imo, might be on the first visit to this customer soliciting business but then JYs phone records and emails could reveal that.
I'm on delayed reaction, I guess. I just posted on the main thread that I was wondering about this same thing! lol :doh:

[raisincharlie]

IMO, Jason was suspected very early on. Just an opinion but seems that some that attended the funeral mentioned that the families were not supportive of each other at all and had basically no contact. Just a guess of course but either they wanted the car very badly to meet him at MF's house or someone requested that they be present.
I have just seen the video clips from the funeral service - even in those clips it was obvious - there was Linda F and Meredith F together and then down the lane a bit was the JY entourage. Those videos made it easy to see there was no unity between the families.

As for Meredith's house - given Cassidy was there as well and what Meredith discovered, I have no doubt LE was at that house with her and that baby. But they weren't waiting to sieze the vehicle. The inspection of the vehicle was done sometime after midnight on the 4th when Major Johnson arrived - the same guy who spoke to JY - the warrant was signed at 0310 am on the fourth. I don't think they had a leg to stand on to get that warrant without the observations made by Major Johnson - otherwise the warrant would have been in hand when JY arrived. JMO

[jilly]

I'm on delayed reaction, I guess. I just posted on the main thread that I was wondering about this same thing! lol :doh:

lol we've just got too much of a lull here - I'm starting to argue with myself for Pete's Sake!!! Pac's right about multiple personalities!!

[Taximom]

lol we've just got too much of a lull here - I'm starting to argue with myself for Pete's Sake!!! Pac's right about multiple personalities!!
I'm glad my other personalities are not alone!

[pack_fan]

I have just seen the video clips from the funeral service - even in those clips it was obvious - there was Linda F and Meredith F together and then down the lane a bit was the JY entourage. Those videos made it easy to see there was no unity between the families.

As for Meredith's house - given Cassidy was there as well and what Meredith discovered, I have no doubt LE was at that house with her and that baby. But they weren't waiting to sieze the vehicle. The inspection of the vehicle was done sometime after midnight on the 4th when Major Johnson arrived - the same guy who spoke to JY - the warrant was signed at 0310 am on the fourth. I don't think they had a leg to stand on to get that warrant without the observations made by Major Johnson - otherwise the warrant would have been in hand when JY arrived. JMO
Still at the house collecting info or waiting for the arrival of JY?

[jilly]

I think I am further pushed down this road by the search warrant for the SUV and the fact that it was detained at MF's house. It was Major Johnson that said he spoke to JY on the 3rd and if you look at the warrant for the SUV it was the same Major Johnson who inspected the vehicle and noted the appearance of what looked like blood spots. Something set his hinky meter off big time during the phone call I think. Why would LE detain this vehicle and do such an inspection of a vehicle that was supposedly in Virgina at the time of the murder ?



I would venture a guess that with the first phone call, he could have just said that he was too distraught to talk and would talk to them the next day or something.

Why would LE detain the vehicle? On Nov 3rd, all they really knew was that JY's wife was murdered and Cassidy was saying that Daddy did it.

[raisincharlie]

Still at the house collecting info or waiting for the arrival of JY?
I would imagine all of that was taking place - I would hope the afternoon would have been spent getting Cassidy to hospital for a check up to make sure she was okay. Then interviews with Meredith and I'm sure LE would have tried to talk to JY when he arrived. The SW does state the vehicle was being detained until Johnson got there - I'm sure they tried again to talk to JY again but it is obvious from the warrant - Johnson was not there when JY arrived.

[raisincharlie]

I would venture a guess that with the first phone call, he could have just said that he was too distraught to talk and would talk to them the next day or something.

Why would LE detain the vehicle? On Nov 3rd, all they really knew was that JY's wife was murdered and Cassidy was saying that Daddy did it.
I think to keep JY there until Major Johnson arrived, LE detained the vehicle. If JY gave a reason to not talk - LE went on to the vehicle as by rights they should have if he refused to speak with them. I think Meredith was rather traumitized to say the least but I would be very willing to bet good money - she still spoke to LE and made no excuse such as being too distraught and no one should ever have to find what that young woman found when she entered that house. JY had zero excuse - distraught or not. JMO

[pack_fan]

I think to keep JY there until Major Johnson arrived, LE detained the vehicle. If JY gave a reason to not talk - LE went on to the vehicle as by rights they should have if he refused to speak with them. I think Meredith was rather traumitized to say the least but I would be very willing to bet good money - she still spoke to LE and made no excuse such as being too distraught and no one should ever have to find what that young woman found when she entered that house. JY had zero excuse - distraught or not. JMO
Darn you charlie :razz:, I keep trying to win the slueth of the week award and you keep getting the one up on me. Guess I'm going to have to go to bed and plan a better strategy for next week, lol.

Good night all......

[raisincharlie]

Darn you charlie :razz:, I keep trying to win the slueth of the week award and you keep getting the one up on me. Guess I'm going to have to go to bed and plan a better strategy for next week, lol.

Good night all......
I didn't know there was such a thing - sleuth of the week award ? You can have it luv - maybe it will help to keep the "others" quiet ! :cool:

Night ! :)

[AlfaGal]

[QUOTE=panthera]scandi~ excellent thoughts as usual. I've always thought the call to Meredith was a ruse for several reasons, and that the business trip was too coincidental, in other words that he'd arranged to have his tracks covered. Now if Fussell actually did see several suitcases with Jason as he was leaving the house, it sure doesn't look like a business trip, but that he'd been asked to move out...[/QUOTE post#80]

Yes, also it is possible that he packed heavily because he knew there was going to be a crime scene created there later that night and that he would be unable to return for more of his things anytime soon.

[raisincharlie]

[QUOTE=panthera]scandi~ excellent thoughts as usual. I've always thought the call to Meredith was a ruse for several reasons, and that the business trip was too coincidental, in other words that he'd arranged to have his tracks covered. Now if Fussell actually did see several suitcases with Jason as he was leaving the house, it sure doesn't look like a business trip, but that he'd been asked to move out...[/QUOTE post#80]

Yes, also it is possible that he packed heavily because he knew there was going to be a crime scene created there later that night and that he would be unable to return for more of his things anytime soon.
Good point ! Welcome AlfaGal :)

[close_enough]

lol we've just got too much of a lull here - I'm starting to argue with myself for Pete's Sake!!! Pac's right about multiple personalities!!

yes, "lull" is right.... :banghead:

[jilly]

[QUOTE=panthera]scandi~ excellent thoughts as usual. I've always thought the call to Meredith was a ruse for several reasons, and that the business trip was too coincidental, in other words that he'd arranged to have his tracks covered. Now if Fussell actually did see several suitcases with Jason as he was leaving the house, it sure doesn't look like a business trip, but that he'd been asked to move out...[/QUOTE post#80]

Yes, also it is possible that he packed heavily because he knew there was going to be a crime scene created there later that night and that he would be unable to return for more of his things anytime soon.

Welcome Alfagal! :) Never thought of that! Good one!

[jilly]

yes, "lull" is right.... :banghead:

I wonder how many detectives are still working on the case. This should tell us something. I think the press could be telling us a lot more. We need to send John & Ken out there with their bullhorn to stand outside JY's parents! :crazy: Something - anything to get the attention of national TV 'cause the local reporting ain't cutting it!

On the otherhand, I'm thinking that LE doesn't want to show any of their hand to JY so they're not talking. There I go arguing with myself again! :banghead:

[close_enough]

I wonder how many detectives are still working on the case. This should tell us something. I think the press could be telling us a lot more. We need to send John & Ken out there with their bullhorn to stand outside JY's parents! :crazy: Something - anything to get the attention of national TV 'cause the local reporting ain't cutting it!

On the otherhand, I'm thinking that LE doesn't want to show any of their hand to JY so they're not talking. There I go arguing with myself again! :banghead:

morning jilly:)

i do that a lot with this case....lol

[close_enough]

http://celebrity.aol.com/people/ataol/articles/0,,20007855,00.html

Stolen from ctv :angel:

This is the full People mag report.............and readable :)

Sami

hey thanks !!

[close_enough]

from People Mag...

Why did Young ask his wife's sister to retrieve a document from their home on the afternoon of Nov. 3, when the body was found, if he was due back that night?

this is something i hadn't heard....that JY was due back that night of the 3rd from his parents...that can't be right, from things we've 'heard'......he was going to stay w/his parents on that Friday night....it was a weekend visit, from what we heard early on....ugh, i'll have to find an article....

[close_enough]

couldn't find the article where it was stated JY was heading to his parents home for a weekend visit, but i KNOW that was reported very early on, in the media.... :banghead:

[packerdog]

I wonder how many detectives are still working on the case. This should tell us something. I think the press could be telling us a lot more. We need to send John & Ken out there with their bullhorn to stand outside JY's parents! :crazy: Something - anything to get the attention of national TV 'cause the local reporting ain't cutting it!

On the otherhand, I'm thinking that LE doesn't want to show any of their hand to JY so they're not talking. There I go arguing with myself again! :banghead:

OH yes, John and Ken would do a great job! Maybe I should call them and offer to pay for their trip.

[packerdog]

from People Mag...

Why did Young ask his wife's sister to retrieve a document from their home on the afternoon of Nov. 3, when the body was found, if he was due back that night?

this is something i hadn't heard....that JY was due back that night of the 3rd from his parents...that can't be right, from things we've 'heard'......he was going to stay w/his parents on that Friday night....it was a weekend visit, from what we heard early on....ugh, i'll have to find an article....

Maybe Jason told Meredith that he would he was going to be back that night.

[close_enough]

Maybe Jason told Meredith that he would he was going to be back that night.

hmmmm, maybe he did....just seems like People Mag might have got that wrong....

[scandi]

Hi Jilly, I think the word if says it all. They have no idea I think whether or not he had planned to return home that night.

Hey! One way for the police to find this out would be to see if there were suitcases missing from the home or if alot of his clothes were missing. I don't really know how they would find this out since he isn't talking to them, but it means he must have unloaded his suitcases at the home in Brevard before they set out back for Raleigh.

[raisincharlie]

I like this quote from Johnson in the People Mag article as well:

"Now's the time to be methodical and sure," says investigator Johnson. "This case will be solved, and when we're there, we'll know we're there."

:) :cool:

[jilly]

OH yes, John and Ken would do a great job! Maybe I should call them and offer to pay for their trip.


:clap:

[BarnGoddess]

Just finished the article on line at AOL (thanks for the link). One part got my attention. It said that MY's mother had often been with Cassidy before Michelle was murdered. She missed her grandchild. I know she has a home in NC. Does she live there permanently? If she had previously been close to her and now she can't get access, could that mean that LE is holding her back for some reason. She hasn't pushed to see her that I can tell. JY's folks are keeping her well hidden without contact with anyone other than his immediate family. Just wondering what's behind MY's mother's silence.

[raisincharlie]

Just finished the article on line at AOL (thanks for the link). One part got my attention. It said that MY's mother had often been with Cassidy before Michelle was murdered. She missed her grandchild. I know she has a home in NC. Does she live there permanently? If she had previously been close to her and now she can't get access, could that mean that LE is holding her back for some reason. She hasn't pushed to see her that I can tell. JY's folks are keeping her well hidden without contact with anyone other than his immediate family. Just wondering what's behind MY's mother's silence.
BarnGoddess,

Linda Fisher does have a home in NC listed in her name - this is where Meredith lives. Linda Fisher still resides on Long Island in NY. Note the attached link:

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-limurd0101,0,6564130.story?coll=ny-linews-headlines


"Surrounded and comforted after the service by friends and family, Fisher said she has faith in the Wade County police, and they have kept her updated on any progress on the case.

She also said she hasn't seen her granddaughter Cassidy since the killing, but would not elaborate."

I do not believe it is LE that is keeping her from seeing her grand daughter. The silence to me seems to indicate that she is being advised by LE on the progress of the case and is satisfied it will be concluded appropriately. JMO

[BarnGoddess]

Charlie, this is what I was talking about, from the article on page 5, second to last paragraph.

http://celebrity.aol.com/people/ataol/articles/0,,20007855,00.html

Some one close to the family said she had played an active roll in Cassidy's life and that's not the case now.

It just got me to wondering how much time she spent at her home in NC before the murder. I meant to imply that perhaps LE wanted her to keep a low profile and not antagonize JY's family. So sad that if she had a good relationship with Cassidy, she's totally left out when she needs Cassidy close and perhaps Cassidy needs her.

Someone on a post ages ago mentioned that perhaps Linda didn't have much contact with Cassidy and that JY's parents may have been closer to her.

It was just one of those sentences that made me wonder about the estrangement.

[raisincharlie]

Charlie, this is what I was talking about, from the article on page 5, second to last paragraph.

http://celebrity.aol.com/people/ataol/articles/0,,20007855,00.html

Some one close to the family said she had played an active roll in Cassidy's life and that's not the case now.

It just got me to wondering how much time she spent at her home in NC before the murder. I meant to imply that perhaps LE wanted her to keep a low profile and not antagonize JY's family. So sad that if she had a good relationship with Cassidy, she's totally left out when she needs Cassidy close and perhaps Cassidy needs her.

Someone on a post ages ago mentioned that perhaps Linda didn't have much contact with Cassidy and that JY's parents may have been closer to her.

It was just one of those sentences that made me wonder about the estrangement.
Yes we had quite the conversation here about this and until the People Mag we really didn't know how much previous contact that there was. This article makes it plain that there was significant interaction between LF and Cassidy. We also all went back and looked at the video tapes from the funeral - if you look at those it was obvious there was no closeness between the two families. Reasons are unknown but we had lots of speculation about it. My point of view - JY has made the decision to keep his daughter from the maternal side of the family - that is just my opinion. I unfortunately do believe Cassidy saw something on the night her mother was murdered and I don't think JY wants anyone to have access to the child because of that - again just my opinion. I am also of the opinion that there was some distance between JY and the Fisher side of the family well before the murder of Michelle.

[BarnGoddess]

Must have been one of those times I missed reading a bunch of posts. What you said about JY not wanting Cassidy to have outside contact is exactly what I believe and for the same reasons.

Oh, before I forget. Can't find this one either. The Hampton receipt found. Was it from Virginia? There is a Hampton motel in Danville. Ages ago when I posted my devious theory of how he checked in, came back and returned (or not), depending on how and when he paid his bill, I put him in Danville after looking at the maps and a timeline. I've been wondering about receipt mentioned.

[raisincharlie]

Must have been one of those times I missed reading a bunch of posts. What you said about JY not wanting Cassidy to have outside contact is exactly what I believe and for the same reasons.

Oh, before I forget. Can't find this one either. The Hampton receipt found. Was it from Virginia? There is a Hampton motel in Danville. Ages ago when I posted my devious theory of how he checked in, came back and returned (or not), depending on how and when he paid his bill, I put him in Danville after looking at the maps and a timeline. I've been wondering about receipt mentioned.
BG,

The warrant only specifies the hotel receipt as being for 11/2 at the Hampton Hotel - no location given or other specifics such as time. The same with the gas receipts - names and dates but no actual locations or times. I agree with Danville being a very strong possibility - depending on traffic - maximum of 2 hours from the home and in VA if one wanted to make a call from VA.

[strach304]

BG, A hampton motel is what I was researching because if you look at the warrant it is handwritten by the officer and I think it is a m not a h so there may be a difference. Good job!

[scandi]

Hi Di Ho!

Tonight I listened to the tape of the On The Record show where Greta interviews Sheriff Harrison. I think it was the wrong tape as Harrison wasn't on it, or else he had been deleted from the tape.

But I did hear two things I missed when I saw the show that evening. Greta said an officer had talked to JY on Friday, who told him he was out of town.

Also Greta said the TOD went to 6am because of the condition of the body. She was talking with Jeanne Pirot, and I guess that is the latest she could have been killed due to the condition of the body when it was examined by the coroner. Jeanne said it usually takes 10 to 12 hours to reach full rigor. However I know from reading that being pregnant and in a warm house is going to speed up that rigor.

Just thought it was interesting.

[AlfaGal]

Thanks you guys for the welcome!!! It took some time to get that first post in, and even longer to find it again today to see the friendly responses!

You are some smart sleuths, and because of that, I keep coming back for more.

[Ticamom]

Welcome Alfagal !

This is a fascinating and tragic story and I am convinced that JY did it. It just rings of SP and Laci all over again to me. The whole timeline seems so contrived and unbelievable to me. My family is from western NC, and I know Brevard like the back of my hand, and I cannot fathom driving to Virginia and then detouring to Brevard to visit his parents, that's a BIG detour , let me tell you. Another thing that caught my attention was that I read that JY 's car drove off a 100-feet embankment into the French Broad river with Michelle in the car and she miscarried (sp? ) a baby . That speaks volumes to me since that river is quite deep in many places and it appears that he was trying to make it look like an accident and get rid of her . It doesn't ring true for me that it was just an accident. What are your thoughts on this ?

[jilly]

Welcome Alfagal !

This is a fascinating and tragic story and I am convinced that JY did it. It just rings of SP and Laci all over again to me. The whole timeline seems so contrived and unbelievable to me. My family is from western NC, and I know Brevard like the back of my hand, and I cannot fathom driving to Virginia and then detouring to Brevard to visit his parents, that's a BIG detour , let me tell you. Another thing that caught my attention was that I read that JY 's car drove off a 100-feet embankment into the French Broad river with Michelle in the car and she miscarried (sp? ) a baby . That speaks volumes to me since that river is quite deep in many places and it appears that he was trying to make it look like an accident and get rid of her . It doesn't ring true for me that it was just an accident. What are your thoughts on this ?

Hi Ticamom! Thanks for joining in here too. It really helps when folks like you from the area contribute. It gives us a much better idea!!!!

So are you suggesting that where the accident was might have been where the river is not so deep? I think it was planned too especially when a few months later she is murdered. Something like SP when we kind of thought he might be drugging her with the hopes of a miscarriage.

[raisincharlie]

Ticamom,


Good Morning ! I note in your post that you have actual knowledge of the area. Are you aware of the type of terrain between the southwestern corner of VA down to Brevard ? Is it rolling terrain, very hilly, semi foot hills type. The reason I ask is because I do not think the two gas receipts add up to the mileage driven - even assuming he was on fumes when he supposedly filled up in Duffield. Thanks for any input you may have!

[BarnGoddess]

I did a little checking for the altitudes of Transylvania County. All I could come up with was an average of 2530 feet. Henderson County, next door has Little Pisgah at 5280 feet. I was astounded when I pulled up a map of all the counties, how far Brevard was from Raleigh (Wake Co). Remembering from my early years of going to camp in NC, I know some of those roads wind a bit. However, I'm sure they've improved highways since the 50's. I really hadn't realized that Transylvania Co bordered SC. I'm with Ticamom. No way was it a swing-by. I think it was a panic run. I hadn't realized the distance before. From Danville to Brevard would be a rather mountainous drive I would think. That cuts into your time and gas mileage. Of course my perspective has changed these days. I know Mt. Mitchell is the highest point east of the Rockies. Now that I travel through the Rockies on occasion, they appear to be hills in my mind.

[raisincharlie]

I did a little checking for the altitudes of Transylvania County. All I could come up with was an average of 2530 feet. Henderson County, next door has Little Pisgah at 5280 feet. I was astounded when I pulled up a map of all the counties, how far Brevard was from Raleigh (Wake Co). Remembering from my early years of going to camp in NC, I know some of those roads wind a bit. However, I'm sure they've improved highways since the 50's. I really hadn't realized that Transylvania Co bordered SC. I'm with Ticamom. No way was it a swing-by. I think it was a panic run. I hadn't realized the distance before. From Danville to Brevard would be a rather mountainous drive I would think. That cuts into your time and gas mileage. Of course my perspective has changed these days. I know Mt. Mitchell is the highest point east of the Rockies. Now that I travel through the Rockies on occasion, they appear to be hills in my mind.
BG,

JY may have had a hotel in Danville but I don't think he drove from Danville to Brevard. Recall that one gas receipt, dated 11/3, was recovered from the SUV that identified a Get It Market. Several sleuths have tracked this Get it Market and located it in Duffield VA, which is in the extreme southwest corner of VA just across the Tennessee boarder. One poster was able to speak with the manager of this facility who confirmed that LE had been there and had reviewed the surveillance tape. One poster told me this is a very hilly area as it is part of the Appalachian range - you know the one JY was suppose to have hiked (interesting thought there when you think about it - he may have been familiar with this area from that experience).

Adiditionally the estimated mileage from Duffield to Brevard is right at 140 miles through what looks to me to be rather hilly area all the way. I still wonder how much he knew about this area - I think it will be interesting to see if his hiking expedition was near Duffield. JMO

[Ticamom]

Hi Charlie, Barn goddess, and Jilly,

Yes, Transylvania County is in very hilly country, being at the foot of the Smoky mountains and all. The roads are very windy, and although they now have modern highways, it takes a while to get where you are going. There is no way JY could have just decided to drop by his parents on the spur of the moment. The main highway doesn't get directly to Brevard, you have to take adjcent roads to get to the HWY, and this takes time. The distances to get from one NC town to the next are far, especially in western NC. It looks like he was trying really hard to appear to be far away from the crime scene, and what a coincidence that he sends his poor sister in law to discover Michelle's body ? Another " coincidence " that i'm not buying is the accident into the French broad river. This is a pretty deep river in most places, and although I am not sure where the accident took place exactly, I have a gut feeling that it was premeditated in order to get rid of the baby, or Michelle, or both. He was probably counting on being able to escape easily from the wreckage and hoping that Michelle wouldn't be able to take off her seat belt and swim out in time. Poor thing, that would have been an easier death than the one he subjected her to !

[raisincharlie]

Hi Charlie, Barn goddess, and Jilly,

Yes, Transylvania County is in very hilly country, being at the foot of the Smoky mountains and all. The roads are very windy, and although they now have modern highways, it takes a while to get where you are going. There is no way JY could have just decided to drop by his parents on the spur of the moment. The main highway doesn't get directly to Brevard, you have to take adjcent roads to get to the HWY, and this takes time. The distances to get from one NC town to the next are far, especially in western NC. It looks like he was trying really hard to appear to be far away from the crime scene, and what a coincidence that he sends his poor sister in law to discover Michelle's body ? Another " coincidence " that i'm not buying is the accident into the French broad river. This is a pretty deep river in most places, and although I am not sure where the accident took place exactl