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blueclouds
02-02-2004, 10:54 PM
Remember this freak? Parnell who abducted steven stayner years ago. Steven has since died in a motorcycle accident. His brother is a convicted killer. This Parnell tried to buy a little black boy 4 to 6 years old with a "clean bottom". Apparently he used a more graphic term.

How is this sick F*$U* still living? God, it infuriated me years ago to hear he only got 5 years prison for kidnapping Steven.

This is ONE guy I KNOW WILL BURN for an eternity.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/02/02/stayner.kidnapper.ap/index.html
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040202_2044.html

Babcat
02-03-2004, 01:57 AM
Stayner testified that Parnell sexually abused him, but charges of child abuse were dismissed in 1981 when a state appeals court said the statute of limitations had expired.

The statute of limitations may have run out if the abuse had been dated to the first day Parnell kidnapped Steven Stayner... but the abuse was ongoing and the S of L couldn't have run out on the later incidents. Maybe the realization that it was 1980, and the laws were not as tough on child molesters as they are now, could account for Parnell spending less time in prison than Stayner spent as his captive away from a family who I'm quite sure had written him off as dead.

All I know is that Steven Stayner never recovered... never adjusted to his life after returning... and died very young at the age of 24. The long absence of Steven, and the subsequent readjustment when he was returned to his family, was a contributing factor in the psychopathology of Steven's older brother Cary who later killed four women.

Steven Stayner, in the short time he had between his captivity, escape, and then tragic death, did an enormous service to missing children everywhere. He gave lectures and took out magazine ads to warn of the failed system and where it needed to be repaired. He reported at least one incident (when he was still seven) when an operator refused to put him through to his parents because he didn't have the right amount of change, even though it was a miracle he had found a phone booth he could use outside of Parnell's presence. If that phone call had been put through he may have only spent days away from his family.

Stayner also talked of informing his princpal that Parnell was not his real father. He was disbelieved.

Toth
02-03-2004, 04:15 AM
I've never thought Stayner did not know something was wrong.
He died the night he made alot of money from selling his story, I think.

I don't know why anyone is so surprised at this? Do they think that people in nursing homes change their desires? Did anyone think five years in jail was going to 'cure' him?

Ghostwheel
02-03-2004, 02:08 PM
The only surprise here, Toth, is that some people didn't realize that this piece of garbage got out after only five years. No justice there.

Did anyone else laugh hysterically at this:
"Defense attorney Deborah Levy painted her client as an aging man who sought to take in an abandoned child. She urged jurors not to presume him guilty because of his past crimes. "

And I personally think Steven killed himself, accidentally or otherwise, because Parnell was out. How do you live with the fact that someone took seven years of your life, got out in only five, and is now out there to do this again? I would think you might think the value society places on people lives (as opposed to their deaths) isn't worth very much, and who cares if you live or die? JMO.

LP Moderator
02-03-2004, 02:16 PM
The attorney representing this man is why lawyers have such bad reputations. This woman needs to be slapped right upside her head.

JDB
02-03-2004, 02:35 PM
And his older Brother Corey Stayner. Tried using Stevens kidnapping was the reason he killed the 3 in Yosemite and the Ranger. Thank God that defense did not work.

WasBlind
02-03-2004, 02:40 PM
Here's a link to the article about the hit and run accident that claimed young Steven Stayner's life, leaving behind a wife and two young children.

http://www.geocities.com/movies_based_on_true_stories/steven_stayner_article2.html

I guess his kids are 18 and 17, now.

The main page is
http://www.geocities.com/traciy_curry/steven_stayner.html

Toth
02-03-2004, 03:24 PM
She is defending her client. That is her job. She is not the judge. She is not the jury. She is his mouthpiece.

mindys
02-03-2004, 03:55 PM
Why don't they just say the words he used, how much worse is any of this or this creeps past crime's, "clean bottom", I wish they would just give the whole story.

Babcat
02-03-2004, 07:18 PM
I've never thought Stayner did not know something was wrong.

Don! Have you lost your mind entirely? He was seven years old... in the second grade! Parnell didn't actually sodomize him until a couple of weeks after the abduction. Until then he treated the boy well and provided toys etc. He told Steven his parents had too many children and had given him (Parnell) guardianship. Few seven-year-olds would not believe that story from someone who had treated him well for two weeks before abusing him. And Stayner says he did feel as if something was wrong that first night and he was scared. But even if he had been totally convinced of it... what could he have done about it? He was a four foot, 50lb child.


He died the night he made alot of money from selling his story, I think.

If "alot (watch that Tothy... it should be a lot) of money" is $30,000 dollars, no one should hire experienced attorneys. Ambulance chasers can get you 30 grand. :rolleyes: And I believe it was awhile after Steven was paid, but only a day or two after the mini-series premiered on television.


I don't know why anyone is so surprised at this? Do they think that people in nursing homes change their desires? Did anyone think five years in jail was going to 'cure' him?

Of course not. Parnell's sentence of 8 years (of which he served in lock-up only five) was a slap in face for any prosecuter. So you can imagine what it was for the parents of these victims.

Babcat
02-03-2004, 07:27 PM
And I personally think Steven killed himself, accidentally or otherwise, because Parnell was out. How do you live with the fact that someone took seven years of your life, got out in only five, and is now out there to do this again? I would think you might think the value society places on people lives (as opposed to their deaths) isn't worth very much, and who cares if you live or die? JMO.

Not a chance. The only thing that can be viewed as self destructive about the 24-year-old Steven was that he failed to wear a helmet, which was common to about 46% of the motorcycle population in California at the time. The accident was absolutely unavoidable according to witnesses who had no idea Stayner was the cyclist. This fact contributed to the decision of the truck driver to run.

Toth
02-03-2004, 07:42 PM
I can not understand a seven year old not knowing he had been kidnapped.
Two years old sure, Three years old, sure... but surely by seven!!

LinnieB
02-03-2004, 07:47 PM
I can not understand a seven year old not knowing he had been kidnapped.
Two years old sure, Three years old, sure... but surely by seven!!


Well then, I guess you best start looking into what a child CAN KNOW and what A CHILD CANNOT KNOW at the age of 7 ! Are you saying this child knew what was happening to him and said...hey, this is cool !
:mad: :banghead:

sansoucie
02-03-2004, 07:53 PM
He probably knew it was wrong, kids aren't stupid. He was probably scared to make any attempt at freeing himself and who knows what kid of mindf**** the guy did to him. I don't question the actions of children when it comes to things like this. I can tell you that 7 or 70... forcible sodomy isn't a picnic and I doubt he stayed for the toys...

They should give the guy 6 months in general pop and see if he lasts a few hours. Was he in protective custody for those 5 yrs? He'd have to be, you know, or he would already be dead...

Babcat
02-04-2004, 01:50 AM
In today's world, thanks to John Walsh and high profile media of abducted children, most seven-year-olds are aware that a stranger who makes an attempt to get a child in a car is up to "no good". But back in 1974, in that small town in California, children were not routinely taught that strangers would do or say anything to lure kids into cars... and not taught that the intent was never good. Many children of that era accepted rides with people they merely recognized, whether they actually knew the person or not.

Even with this break down in preparedness, Steven Stayner suspected that his parents had not wanted to give him up. That is why he attempted to phone home at 7 years of age, and why he told his school principle he had been kidnapped and was not the son of Parnell (as Parnell claimed) when Steven was 12 years old. Once the principle refused to believe the story, where did Steven have to seek refuge?

Toth
02-04-2004, 07:58 AM
any cop, other teachers, etc.
I think he was weak and so was his brother.
Thats why the brother wanted to kill females; its the only way he can assert any sort of 'strength'.
Perhaps I should be more tolerant of seven year olds, but I am not.

piper1
02-04-2004, 04:59 PM
any cop, other teachers, etc.
I think he was weak ........!He was a CHILD for God's sake! A child in 1974 would do anything an adult told him to. Did you see Mystic River, Toth? Watch it and pay attention to the beginning. Heck, when I was a kid I was afraid of adults and would do anything they said!

blueclouds
02-04-2004, 07:07 PM
He was a CHILD for God's sake! A child in 1974 would do anything an adult told him to. Did you see Mystic River, Toth? Watch it and pay attention to the beginning. Heck, when I was a kid I was afraid of adults and would do anything they said!

Toth loves controversy Piper. Don't feed him unless you want a migraine. Toth, :slap: sometimes your points of view leave people thinking it's children's & victims faults' that they are in the position they find themselves in. Hopefully you will never know what it feels like to be powerless in these situations. :waitasec: :snooty:

blueclouds
02-04-2004, 07:26 PM
MOTHER OF STEVEN STAYNER TESTIFIES AT TRIAL:

God, the pain this must bring up for her. Hopefully she'll feel some satisfaction seeing this sicko when he's http://www.oaklandtribune.com/Stories/0,1413,82~1726~1934432,00.htmljailed for good.

sansoucie
02-04-2004, 07:32 PM
I agree the woman killer was weak... but not the stayner man as a child.

I was wondering if there was anything strange going on in the family for this to have happened to Steven and then to have the other son become a killer. Anyone know any history on the family?

piper1
02-04-2004, 08:02 PM
Toth loves controversy Piper. Don't feed him unless you want a migraine. Toth, :slap: sometimes your points of view leave people thinking it's children's & victims faults' that they are in the position they find themselves in. Hopefully you will never know what it feels like to be powerless in these situations. :waitasec: :snooty:I know Blueclouds, but child abuse gets my blood boiling!

Ghostwheel
02-04-2004, 08:21 PM
any cop, other teachers, etc.
I think he was weak and so was his brother.
Thats why the brother wanted to kill females; its the only way he can assert any sort of 'strength'.
Perhaps I should be more tolerant of seven year olds, but I am not.Then why didn't the brother kill young children? They would be easy prey.

And yeah, you should probably be more tolerant of seven year olds. They haven't been around the block as many times as you have.

Also, make sure you haven't confused "weak" (mentally or intellectually deficient) with "resignation" (giving up). Maybe you haven't, but thought I'd mention it. I'm with you on the Cary Staynor being weak, part, though.

Babcat
02-05-2004, 01:46 AM
Toth,

Steven Stayner never killed or hurt anyone. And he wasn't his brother. None of that pathology showed itself in Steven Stayner. In fact sociopathic tendencies do NOT seem to run higher among siblings than that percentage equal to the general population.

Cary Stayner had problems, obviously, that ran deeper than simply having his brother taken from the family for seven years. If related at all, his brother's abduction could have been a catalyst, but not a cause.

Steven's fate was absolutely tragic. (And he was kidnapped by two grown men... so his chances of escaping were even further diminished.) Blaming the victim... at any rate... is a coward's way of convincing oneself things would have turned out much better had the victim not made themselves such "easy prey". It is a convenient way to shift all focus off the crime and those who perpetrated the crime... after all the accused has rights a victim never gets.

I'm not surprised that our very own Toth holds (particularly) seven-year-olds to some irrational standard in the mind, since doing so allows one to ease seamlessly from defender to the reality of the sick, and evil, David Westerfield. That man (Westerfield), you, Toth, defended with such conviction only to be deflated by details (after the trial) of the revelation of his attempted "deal" before trial proceedings ever began.

BTW... I'm still waiting for an apology pertaining to your belief that my "source" was a hot dog vendor, when I attempted via email to warn you that you would be the subject of ridicule once facts were revealed after the trial. I guess I got the last laugh after all.

WasBlind
02-05-2004, 05:54 AM
Not sure if this has already been posted, or not. Steven Stayner did use a helmet when riding his motorcycle always, because he loved his wife and his children.

The night he died, someone had stolen his motorcycle helmet. That is the reason he did not have one on. Furthermore, the accident was not his fault, and the one who caused it turned himself in at some point for hit and run, and failure to render aide.

Also, to say the family had something to do with Steven's abduction, or Cary turning into a murderer is preposterous. Cary made choices, as an adult human being, and he is paying for that now. Steven did not have a choice, he was 7 years YOUNG, and he was abducted by two grown men. TWO grown men took that child. They told him they wanted to talk to his parents, and he believed them. When I was seven, I probably would have believed that, too. Adults are abducted all the time. Is it their fault they are taken by some sickos? NO, absolutely not.

I hope all of you are praying for Carlie, today. They caught her abductor, and still have not found that child. Blessings to all, Lanie

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,110405,00.html

WasBlind
02-05-2004, 06:29 AM
blueclouds link

http://www.oaklandtribune.com/Stories/0,1413,82~1726~1934432,00.html

sansoucie
02-05-2004, 11:48 AM
"Also, to say the family had something to do with Steven's abduction, or Cary turning into a murderer is preposterous. Cary made choices, as an adult human being, and he is paying for that now. Steven did not have a choice, he was 7 years YOUNG, and he was abducted by two grown men. TWO grown men took that child. "


I would never blame the parents for the way their kids turn out. I certainly didn't say that they had anything to do with Steveen's abduction. I am asking if there was any family problem. The odds of one being abducted and one becoming a multiple murderer are pretty tight. It's a simple question, were they pillars of the community or was there some underlying prob"lem?

WasBlind
02-05-2004, 11:58 AM
My post was not directed at you, sansoucie.

Sorry for any misunderstanding. :blowkiss:

I know nothing about the family, personally, except what I have read, and that is that they were a normal family, no problems, church going, close-knit. When Steven was abducted it really tore them up, emotionally. I cannot even imagine their grief to lose him, all that time thinking he might be dead. Then, getting him back, he gets married, has two kids, and then gets killed in a hit and run accident the same day his helmet is stolen.

Then, almost ten years later, their only surviving son is charged with multiple abductions and murder. I have much empathy for this family. It's a miracle they have stayed together through it all. Divorce is quite common in such a situation, either one, but to have to endure both. Let is just suffice to say I admire their courage and dignity through everything!!

nixmom
02-05-2004, 12:13 PM
The attorney representing this man is why lawyers have such bad reputations. This woman needs to be slapped right upside her head.

I would like to volunteer.

sansoucie
02-05-2004, 03:29 PM
ROFL!!!! Can I have second shot at the lawyer??? Well, if anything is left? :)

smellsarat
02-09-2004, 06:58 PM
I saw the movie on tv about stephen and felt so bad for him and his family...I don't think that there is a patholgy as to why two tragedies for the family.Some people just have bad luck....As to the ridiculous, laughable notion that Stephen was a willling victim...I won't dignify the absurdity of the opinion with a response. What bothers me is why the heck this guy only got 5 years...I forget the reason from the movie...but it is outrageous!!!!


Did anyone see Dateline last night about the guy who held those women captive FOR YEARS underneath his home...I hate when they show those things...They give creeps ideas...otherwise they wouldn't have an original thought of their own...The guy involved kept insisting he didn't do anything wrong...??? One woman he let go after 3 years and she didn't tell the cops?????Claimed he threatened her family...Huh????!!! Nuts!!!

MsBee
02-10-2004, 01:08 AM
If you want to get even closer to throwing up, go to the site of another famous kidnapping: www.johnnygosch.com Read the detective's report/Gunderson report. Read, scroll down; you will find it. The child sex trade is HUGE!!!! It is horrifying. It is ugly.

smellsarat
02-10-2004, 08:02 AM
If you want to get even closer to throwing up, go to the site of another famous kidnapping: www.johnnygosch.com Read the detective's report/Gunderson report. Read, scroll down; you will find it. The child sex trade is HUGE!!!! It is horrifying. It is ugly.


Ms Bee....I don"t want to see it...seems there is so much in this world that we are powerless to change...it is overwhelming !!!! What gets me...and have been asking myself this for a long time...
Why is it that these perversions are so rampant..were they always...I think not...Its' like gays...(which I think is a genetic abberation)...seem to be increasing in great numbers....
Why so many child abductions due to sexual perversions.....
I think pornography and the internet has caused some of the increase but the predisposition to that has to be inherent to thrive the way it has...Look at Westerfield, a seemingly successful professional man- with children of his own.....It is very disturbing...Sure first we need to lock these guys up and throw away the key...But how to prevent more of them taking their place....It is frightening...
;) And Ms Bee when's tea time????

smellsarat
02-10-2004, 09:34 AM
If you want to get even closer to throwing up, go to the site of another famous kidnapping: www.johnnygosch.com Read the detective's report/Gunderson report. Read, scroll down; you will find it. The child sex trade is HUGE!!!! It is horrifying. It is ugly.


Well, Ms Bee I did read the link...the first chapter....very interesting and so sad...
I know O'Reilly has been going after the NAMBLA org since Jeffrey Curley was killed up here in Mass...and the most outrageous stories have come from the priest scandals up here...Father Paul Shanley, formerly admired as a friend to street kids and moved around by the church has been linked to that organization as well. He has been tied to speeches and origination of that group. His trial is yet ti start........The catholic churchs negligence in this whole controversy has cost them dearly throughout the country but especially in MASS. Peoples outrage led to the ouster of the arrogant, self concerned criminal Cardinal Bernard Law. And our atty general has said he would like to see him prosecuted!!!

blueclouds
02-10-2004, 05:59 PM
CONVICTED. THANK GOD.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,110919,00.html

Now lets hope they send him to jail for the rest of his sick pathetic life.

Another link with him hiding his face. I hope Bubba and the boys get ahold of this guy and let the guards turn their backs...

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/02/09/stayner.kidnapper.ap/index.html

piper1
02-10-2004, 06:22 PM
Blueclouds, I love your little doll!

blueclouds
02-10-2004, 11:23 PM
Thanx piper. She kinda reminds me of Betty Boop.

blueclouds
02-24-2004, 12:41 AM
BUMP. I haven't heard of a sentence. He was supposed to be sentenced on the ? 14th of Feb? What happened. Anyone know?

PS: The doll morphed into a penguin for anyone who's confused.

WasBlind
09-16-2004, 02:18 AM
For Jody

another thread is at
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6730

With HOPE, Lanie