View Full Version : FL FL - Sumter County, "Little Miss Panasoffkee" WhtFem 470UFFL, 18-23, Feb'71
smile22
05-05-2005, 01:11 PM
i remember once watch unsolved and they had this story on this missing teen or child i think it was. i think i remeber them calling her something panasnofshkie she was a jane doe and no one has ever claimed her does anyone know what im talking about..
jaybird
05-05-2005, 03:32 PM
I think I remember seeing that story on "Unsolved Mysteries." They called her "Little Miss Panoshonske (?)" As far as I know she has still not been claimed.
shadowangel
05-05-2005, 09:29 PM
Miss Panasoffkee-shw was discovered near Lake Panasoffkee in FL-that's all I remember, can't find anything on the web though it seems several lawenforcement in the area really took the case to heart
smile22
05-06-2005, 08:17 AM
would anyone be intrested in solving her case? pm me and let me know, i also did a search with miss and that last long name. then i did a search on jane doe found in lake and on lake p... i also did a search on body found on lake ... in yahoo and google and i found nothing. but i did find a webpage on lake p.. i was thinking of emailing them see if they remember anything or knows anyone who does.
Richard
05-06-2005, 08:44 PM
The case that you are referring to was that of an unknown woman found in Lake Panasofke in Sumpter County, Florida in February of 1972. She was near Highway 75, north of Tampa and about 50 miles Northwest of Orlando.
She had been strangled some days or weeks earlier and was wearing only her underclothing. I do not recall that she had any nickname, and I have never seen her on the Doenetwork or other such websites. Her case was featured on Unsolved Mysteries in late 1992 or early 1993.
She was believed to be aproximately 20 years old, Caucasion or American Indian, 5 feet two inches tall, 100 Pounds. The Medical examiner believed that she had once had a child. She had extensive dental work: fillings, crowns, and caps. She had also had orthopedic surgery on her right ankle, with what was known as a Watson-Jones Technique.
Police did not feel that she was a "local", as there were no reported/known missing persons of her description in that area and no one called with any information following 20 years of efforts to identify her. The case is still open and is in the jurisdiction of the Sumpter County Sheriff. Last phone number I had for them was (904) 793-0222.
This case was unique in that investigators first used the artist's technique of not only sketching her face, but then "age regressing" it to what she may have looked like when younger - I think at ages 12 and 6. Their idea was that although somebody might not recognize her at age 20, they might recognize her from an earlier time.
The case officer in 1993 was Chief Ed Galvin. I spoke to him on 19 February 1993. He was an older man, and had been involved with the case for over 20 years. We discussed several possibilities, among them that she might have been a victim of Serial Killer, Paul John Knowles (1946-1974). Chief Galvin was also very familiar with Knowles, because the Florida Police officer whom Knowles had murdered during a killing spree in 1974 was Galvin's partner.
Knowles often traveled Highway 75 from Florida to Georgia. In 1965, he kidnapped a police officer and got 5 years. By 1967, he was paroled and soon back in prison the same year. In 1970, he was again out on parole, and was loose until 1972 when he was again sentenced to prison. In May 1974, he was again released on parole and in July of that same year, he began a three state killing binge of 18 to 20 victims. In September 1974, he was captured in Georgia, and in December 1974, he was shot while attempting to escape. His story was detailed in a book by an English woman named Sandy Faulkes who traveled with him and knew him in 1974.
The murder of this young woman has never been solved, although it fit Knowles' pattern in several ways. She has also never been identified. The possibility of her having been in the military was considered, but not conclusively proven. It is certain, however, that she is somebody's daughter and somebody's mother. Perhaps they are still looking for her.
I have copies of the artist sketches for this young woman, and would be happy to supply them to the Doenetwork, should they decide to feature her case.
smile22
05-07-2005, 11:19 AM
i wonder if they have an email the police department that was handling her case. it has always stuck in my mind her story on unsolved when i was little i must have been 13 when her case was on unsolved. ive done so many searches on various search sites and have found nothing on her.. did they find any clothing when she was found? did they look outside of florida for answers?
Richard
05-09-2005, 12:43 AM
i wonder if they have an email the police department that was handling her case. it has always stuck in my mind her story on unsolved when i was little i must have been 13 when her case was on unsolved. ive done so many searches on various search sites and have found nothing on her.. did they find any clothing when she was found? did they look outside of florida for answers?
As I recall, the only clothing found with the body was underclothing. She had been strangled, and the ligature, rope, or clothing item used was still tied around her neck. Here is the address to the Sumter County Sheriff's Office and their website.
Sumter County Sheriff's Office
William O. "Bill" Farmer, Jr - Sheriff
225 East McCollum Avenue
Post Office Box 188
Bushnell, Florida 33513
(352) 793-0222
Link
http://www.sumtercounty.com/govern.htm
marylandmissing
05-09-2005, 08:50 PM
The case that you are referring to was that of an unknown woman found in Lake Panasofke in Sumpter County, Florida in February of 1972. She was near Highway 75, north of Tampa and about 50 miles Northwest of Orlando.
She had been strangled some days or weeks earlier and was wearing only her underclothing. I do not recall that she had any nickname, and I have never seen her on the Doenetwork or other such websites. Her case was featured on Unsolved Mysteries in late 1992 or early 1993.
She was believed to be aproximately 20 years old, Caucasion or American Indian, 5 feet two inches tall, 100 Pounds. The Medical examiner believed that she had once had a child. She had extensive dental work: fillings, crowns, and caps. She had also had orthopedic surgery on her right ankle, with what was known as a Watson-Jones Technique.
Police did not feel that she was a "local", as there were no reported/known missing persons of her description in that area and no one called with any information following 20 years of efforts to identify her. The case is still open and is in the jurisdiction of the Sumpter County Sheriff. Last phone number I had for them was (904) 793-0222.
This case was unique in that investigators first used the artist's technique of not only sketching her face, but then "age regressing" it to what she may have looked like when younger - I think at ages 12 and 6. Their idea was that although somebody might not recognize her at age 20, they might recognize her from an earlier time.
The case officer in 1993 was Chief Ed Galvin. I spoke to him on 19 February 1993. He was an older man, and had been involved with the case for over 20 years. We discussed several possibilities, among them that she might have been a victim of Serial Killer, Paul John Knowles (1946-1974). Chief Galvin was also very familiar with Knowles, because the Florida Police officer whom Knowles had murdered during a killing spree in 1974 was Galvin's partner.
Knowles often traveled Highway 75 from Florida to Georgia. In 1965, he kidnapped a police officer and got 5 years. By 1967, he was paroled and soon back in prison the same year. In 1970, he was again out on parole, and was loose until 1972 when he was again sentenced to prison. In May 1974, he was again released on parole and in July of that same year, he began a three state killing binge of 18 to 20 victims. In September 1974, he was captured in Georgia, and in December 1974, he was shot while attempting to escape. His story was detailed in a book by an English woman named Sandy Faulkes who traveled with him and knew him in 1974.
The murder of this young woman has never been solved, although it fit Knowles' pattern in several ways. She has also never been identified. The possibility of her having been in the military was considered, but not conclusively proven. It is certain, however, that she is somebody's daughter and somebody's mother. Perhaps they are still looking for her.
I have copies of the artist sketches for this young woman, and would be happy to supply them to the Doenetwork, should they decide to feature her case.
Send away :)
anthrobones
07-10-2006, 01:29 PM
http://doenetwork.org/cases/470uffl.html
Unidentified White Female
The victim was discovered on February 19, 1971 in Lake Panasoffkee, northwest of Orlando, Florida
Estimated Date of Death: Two to three weeks prior to discovery
Killed by Homicide by strangulation
Vital Statistics
Estimated age: Late teens to early twenties; most like 19 or 20 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 5'2"; 100 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Possibly mixed with Native American. Black or dark brown hair. Orthopedic surgery had been performed on her right ankle due to instability in the ankle. The procedure, known as a "Watson-Jones" technique, involved drilling two small holes in the ankle bone and winding a tendon through them. She had given birth to at least one child.
Dentals: Available. She had extensive dental work, including caps, fillings and crowns. A porcelain crown on one of her front teeth.
Clothing: None located
Case History
The victim's decomposed body was spotted in Lake Panasoffkee by two hitchhikers crossing the Panasoffkee bridge on February 19, 1971.
Police were notified and it was quickly determined that the girl had been strangled by a man's size 36 belt, which was still around her throat. Forensic artist Linda Galeener created a composite of the victim. When no one came to claim her body, Galeener was asked to create age-regression drawings, showing what the girl may have looked like at ages 6 and 12. Again, no one identified her. The victims is nicknamed "Little Miss Panasoffkee" and it is quite possible that she was a runaway.
rpipergirl
02-08-2007, 07:39 PM
I first became aware of this case on unsolved mysteries when the dective who took over the case was on. I have a hard time understanding how a young girl with one possible more children and such a unique orthpedic surgery still has not been identified. I brought her case to the attention of the Doe Network. They researched it and put it up a few months later. http://www.doenetwork.org/
The detective was the one who nicknamed her "Little miss Panasoffkee"
kygal
02-08-2007, 07:48 PM
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/470uffl.html
This is the case number for this girl on Doe, had to look it up.
rpipergirl
02-08-2007, 08:12 PM
Thanks couldn't get it to come up like that.
Richard
02-08-2007, 11:10 PM
This case is certainly an old one. The Unsolved Mysteries episode which featured the case origionally ran back around 1991 or 92.
There is a thread here on Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community which has some discussion about the case titled: something on unsolved
LINK:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22997
Richard
02-08-2007, 11:13 PM
Bumping this case up due to recent discussion...
Richard
09-13-2007, 04:09 PM
This case is the first to use a sort of age Re-gression by a forensic artist. They first came up with a sketch of what they believed the girl looked like when she died (early 20's) and then they regressed her face to about 12 and then to about 5 years old.
The idea of these regression sketches was that perhaps someone might recognize her from years back and help to identify her.
To date, this case is still unsolved.
I recall looking into a couple of possibilities:
- One that she might be a victim of Serial Killer Paul John Knowles,
- and another that she might have been in Florida to enter Navy Boot Camp (or that she may have gone through that training) in Orlando, Florida. That was where Navy enlisted women went through initial training starting in 1968.
SeriouslySearching
09-13-2007, 07:35 PM
Why do her sketches make her look totally caucasion and her profile states she was possibly part Native American with black or dark hair? I see this as problematic when putting it out for people to identify her. The artist should be more aware of Native American structures of the face and hair when doing these. My niece is part Native American and blonde..but still has facial features which lend to her heritage even if it is only a sixteenth!
Angie4b1g
09-14-2007, 08:04 AM
Around 1994 my car broke down on 75 and a state trooper happened along and gave us a ride. I saw the sigh for Lake Panasoffkee and said "Oh, didn't I see something on Unsolved Mysteries about a girl being found here?" and the officer said "Yep, she was found right over there" and pointed. So, at least as recently as then they were still talking about her. Hopefully they still are!
Richard
09-14-2007, 09:57 AM
Note: The following summary states that no clothing was located. However, this is not completely accurate, as she was found wearing a pair of panties.
While Lake Panasoffkee is NW of Orlando, it is actually on the road between Tampa and Ocalla, Florida. It is likely that her killer was traveling that route at the time that he disposed of her body.
Time of death estimates would have put her murder in Late January or early February 1971.
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Unidentified White Female
The victim was discovered on February 19, 1971 in Lake Panasoffkee, northwest of Orlando, Florida
Estimated Date of Death: Two to three weeks prior to discovery
Killed by Homicide by strangulation
Vital Statistics
Estimated age: Late teens to early twenties; most like 18 or 23 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 5'2"; 100 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Possibly mixed with Native American. Black or dark brown hair. Orthopedic surgery had been performed on her right ankle due to instability in the ankle. The procedure, known as a "Watson-Jones" technique, involved drilling two small holes in the ankle bone and winding a tendon through them. The surgery brobably occurred between 1967 and 1970. She had given birth to at least one child.
Dentals: Available. She had extensive dental work, including caps, fillings and crowns. A porcelain crown on one of her front teeth.
DNA: Available.
Clothing: None located
Case History
The victim's decomposed body was spotted in Lake Panasoffkee by two hitchhikers crossing the Panasoffkee bridge on February 19, 1971.
Police were notified and it was quickly determined that the girl had been strangled by a man's size 36 belt, which was still around her throat.
Forensic artist Linda Galeener created a composite of the victim. When no one came to claim her body, Galeener was asked to create age-regression drawings, showing what the girl may have looked like at ages 6 and 12. Again, no one identified her.
The victims is nicknamed "Little Miss Panasoffkee" and it is quite possible that she was a runaway.
Authorities believe she was murdered else where and dumped off the bridge.
Investigators
If you have any information about this case please contact:
Sumter County Sheriff's Office 352-93-0278
Source Information:
Unsolved Mysteries episode from 1991
Daily Sun
The Doe Network: Case File 470UFFL
LINK:
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/470uffl.html
monkalup
02-25-2008, 07:03 PM
http://www.thevillagesdailysun.com/article...news/news02.txt
Little miss Panasoffkee
By DAN SULLIVAN, DAILY SUN
LAKE PANASOFFKEE — The Lake Panasoffkee bridge is a forgettable span that thousands of travelers cross every day.
There is little to distinguish this half-mile section of Interstate 75 from the rest of the highway. Thick trees line both sides of the bridge, giving little indication that there is water underneath. Travelers speed past, likely never giving the bridge or the lake beneath it a second thought.
However nondescript the bridge may be, countless travelers have given it a deadly history that has left a mark on Sumter County. Before the bridge was widened to accommodate the traffic flow, fatalities were a common occurrence.
But perhaps the best-known fatality on the bridge was not the result of an accident.
On Feb. 19, 1971, two hitchhikers were walking on the side of the northbound lanes of the bridge when they noticed the body of a young woman floating in the water below. The hitchhikers flagged down a Sumter County sheriff’s deputy, beginning what has now become one of Sumter County’s oldest homicide investigations.
Thirty-five years later, Sumter County sheriff’s Capt. Gary Brannen thumbs through the contents of a cardboard box marked “Little Miss Panasoffkee,” which contains the entire case file on the still-unidentified woman.
“We don’t necessarily hold out a whole lot of hope of solving who killed Miss Panasoffkee,” Brannen said, using the name former sheriff James Adams gave the woman in the 1980s. “Our best hope is that we will find out who she was. That’s what we really want to do. She’s somebody’s child. They’re still worried about that child, not knowing what happened to her, and we’d like to put that to rest.”
The accepted theory
“Little Miss Panasoffkee” was found with a man’s size 36 leather belt looped twice around her neck, and investigators determined the cause of death was strangulation.
“It appeared that she had been murdered, maybe in a car as it was being driven down the road, or killed at some point in time, and brought there and dumped out, off the bridge,” Brannen said. “Even then, it was a well-traveled roadway. It very well may have been just somebody passing through that did this and then dumped the body.”
Forensic anthropologist William Maples of the University of Florida examined the remains after they were exhumed in 1986.
Maples concluded that the woman was most likely between the ages of 18 and 19 when she died. She could have been as old as 23. “Little Miss Panasoffkee” was Caucasian, but facial features indicate that she may have had some Native American ancestry.
“This person had been taken care of at some point in time,” Brannen said. He noted that X-rays of the remains revealed that the woman had undergone dental work to include fillings in several teeth. Maples also found evidence that the woman had possibly gone through two pregnancies, giving investigators reason to believe that the woman still has family somewhere.
“We believe it’s a person who is disenfranchised from her family. They’re not in the family fold, so to speak,” Brannen said.
“People come to Florida even today. A lot of them come here for the wrong reasons, because they think that everybody in Florida lives on the beach and there’s all sorts of jobs available,” he said. “Really, Florida can be a very treacherous place for people who are not familiar with it and are somewhat naive.”
Perhaps Maples’ most peculiar find was evidence of orthopedic surgery to the woman’s right ankle.
“Her right ankle had orthopedic surgery and the technique that was used in it was called the Watson-Jones technique,” Brannen said.
“We believe that the surgery occurred probably between 1967 and 1970. This was something that we really thought would give us a very good chance of doing something,” he said. “We thought that was a very good clue that we got out at that time in 1986 to the orthopedic community through medical journals and such, to see if possibly somebody had done surgery on someone and then later on that person went missing. Again, that didn’t give us anything, but we’re still hopeful.”
When the investigation began, many tips investigators received came from people who believed the girl may have been their runaway daughter, Brannen said. In contrast, he said, most of the leads that investigators receive today are from people who believe the woman may be their mother, whom they have not seen for many years.
Investigators combed missing persons files from around the country, but no match was ever made. Likewise, no strong suspects in the murder have ever been identified.
“Thirty-five years of work and we don’t have any more of an idea of who she is today than we did in 1971,” Brannen said. “It’s one of those cases that still haunts us.”
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monkalup
02-25-2008, 07:04 PM
Reasons for hope
One major obstacle that has hampered the investigation from the beginning was the lack of resources that were available in Sumter County in the early 1970s.
“Our laboratory resources were not what they are today. The media was not as accessible. The Internet wasn’t there,” Brannen said. “There were all sorts of things back then that hampered an investigation. But they did as best as they could back then with what they had.
“The good news is that we were able to send the bones recently to the FBI in Washington, and they were able to extract some DNA,” he said. “So if we do come to a good lead to where we believe that this person could be a relative of Miss Panasoffkee, we can take DNA samples and send them to the FBI to see if they’re included in that.”
In addition to the availability of DNA technology, recent plans to develop a statewide cold case team, utilizing resources from law enforcement agencies from across Florida, have been set in motion. The idea of developing what is known as a Cold Case Review Assessment Team in Florida is something that was spearheaded by Sumter County officials following their work with the cold case team run by the Texas Sheriff’s Association.
Sumter County sheriff’s officials sought the help of the Texas team during their investigation of the 2000 murder of 72-year-old Margarita Ruiz and her 45-year-old daughter Esperanza Wells in the rural community of Tarrytown, near Webster. After the homicide had been classified as a cold case for six years, investigators earlier this year were able to identify a Wisconsin man as the individual who allegedly shot and stabbed the two women to death.
Brannen said the Texas team developed a profile of the perpetrator in that case that was revealed to be very accurate once the case was solved.
“We didn’t solve our case directly as a result of what they told us,” Brannen said, “but when we did solve it, the profile they gave us was 100 percent accurate. They said it was a paranoid schizophrenic in a delusion, at least 25 years old, and that’s what it was.”
Once the team is started, agencies from all over Florida will be able to bring their own cold cases to the team in Tallahassee, which will meet two to three times a year. The team will examine evidence and report on what they believe needs to be done in order to move the case forward.
“Sometimes the best thing for one of these cases is a fresh set of eyes,” Brannen said.
“This cold case assessment team concept is profilers, laboratory people, investigators, forensic crime scene people, a medical examiner who all get together and start listening and round-tabling this case,” he said. “Before you know it, the detectives who make this presentation have two or three pages of notes to go back and work with to breathe life back into a cold case.”
“There’s that kind of talent here in Florida,” Brannen said. “It’s just a matter of getting that talent all in one place at the same time.”
Even without the benefit of state assistance, the Sumter County Sheriff’s Office has had exceptional luck in solving cold cases. In addition to the Ruiz-Wells homicide, in the past year alone two other cold homicide cases were solved, the oldest from 1987.
“From what I understand from larger agencies, they wish they could do three,” Brannen said. “You just never know. We’re hoping that at some point in time somebody is going to come forward.”
Dan Sullivan is a reporter with the Daily Sun. He can be reached at 753-1119, ext. 9059, or dan.sullivan@thevillagesmedia.com.
d thought.
However nondescript the bridge may be, countless travelers have given it a deadly history that has left a mark on Sumter County. Before the bridge was widened to accommodate the traffic flow, fatalities were a common occurrence.
But perhaps the best-known fatality on the bridge was not the result of an accident.
On Feb. 19, 1971, two hitchhikers were walking on the side of the northbound lanes of the bridge when they noticed the body of a young woman floating in the water below. The hitchhikers flagged down a Sumter County sheriff’s deputy, beginning what has now become one of Sumter County’s oldest homicide investigations.
Thirty-five years later, Sumter County sheriff’s Capt. Gary Brannen thumbs through the contents of a cardboard box marked “Little Miss Panasoffkee,” which contains the entire case file on the still-unidentified woman.
“We don’t necessarily hold out a whole lot of hope of solving who killed Miss Panasoffkee,” Brannen said, using the name former sheriff James Adams gave the woman in the 1980s. “Our best hope is that we will find out who she was. That’s what we really want to do. She’s somebody’s child. They’re still worried about that child, not knowing what happened to her, and we’d like to put that to rest.”
The accepted theory
“Little Miss Panasoffkee” was found with a man’s size 36 leather belt looped twice around her neck, and investigators determined the cause of death was strangulation.
“It appeared that she had been murdered, maybe in a car as it was being driven down the road, or killed at some point in time, and brought there and dumped out, off the bridge,” Brannen said. “Even then, it was a well-traveled roadway. It very well may have been just somebody passing through that did this and then dumped the body.”
Forensic anthropologist William Maples of the University of Florida examined the remains after they were exhumed in 1986.
Maples concluded that the woman was most likely between the ages of 18 and 19 when she died. She could have been as old as 23. “Little Miss Panasoffkee” was Caucasian, but facial features indicate that she may have had some Native American ancestry.
“This person had been taken care of at some point in time,” Brannen said. He noted that X-rays of the remains revealed that the woman had undergone dental work to include fillings in several teeth. Maples also found evidence that the woman had possibly gone through two pregnancies, giving investigators reason to believe that the woman still has family somewhere.
“We believe it’s a person who is disenfranchised from her family. They’re not in the family fold, so to speak,” Brannen said.
“People come to Florida even today. A lot of them come here for the wrong reasons, because they think that everybody in Florida lives on the beach and there’s all sorts of jobs available,” he said. “Really, Florida can be a very treacherous place for people who are not familiar with it and are somewhat naive.”
Perhaps Maples’ most peculiar find was evidence of orthopedic surgery to the woman’s right ankle.
“Her right ankle had orthopedic surgery and the technique that was used in it was called the Watson-Jones technique,” Brannen said.
“We believe that the surgery occurred probably between 1967 and 1970. This was something that we really thought would give us a very good chance of doing something,” he said. “We thought that was a very good clue that we got out at that time in 1986 to the orthopedic community through medical journals and such, to see if possibly somebody had done surgery on someone and then later on that person went missing. Again, that didn’t give us anything, but we’re still hopeful.”
When the investigation began, many tips investigators received came from people who believed the girl may have been their runaway daughter, Brannen said. In contrast, he said, most of the leads that investigators receive today are from people who believe the woman may be their mother, whom they have not seen for many years.
Investigators combed missing persons files from around the country, but no match was ever made. Likewise, no strong suspects in the murder have ever been identified.
“Thirty-five years of work and we don’t have any more of an idea of who she is today than we did in 1971,” Brannen said. “It’s one of those cases that still haunts us.”
Reasons for hope
One major obstacle that has hampered the investigation from the beginning was the lack of resources that were available in Sumter County in the early 1970s.
“Our laboratory resources were not what they are today. The media was not as accessible. The Internet wasn’t there,” Brannen said. “There were all sorts of things back then that hampered an investigation. But they did as best as they could back then with what they had.
“The good news is that we were able to send the bones recently to the FBI in Washington, and they were able to extract some DNA,” he said. “So if we do come to a good lead to where we believe that this person could be a relative of Miss Panasoffkee, we can take DNA samples and send them to the FBI to see if they’re included in that.”
In addition to the availability of DNA technology, recent plans to develop a statewide cold case team, utilizing resources from law enforcement agencies from across Florida, have been set in motion. The idea of developing what is known as a Cold Case Review Assessment Team in Florida is something that was spearheaded by Sumter County officials following their work with the cold case team run by the Texas Sheriff’s Association.
Sumter County sheriff’s officials sought the help of the Texas team during their investigation of the 2000 murder of 72-year-old Margarita Ruiz and her 45-year-old daughter Esperanza Wells in the rural community of Tarrytown, near Webster. After the homicide had been classified as a cold case for six years, investigators earlier this year were able to identify a Wisconsin man as the individual who allegedly shot and stabbed the two women to death.
Brannen said the Texas team developed a profile of the perpetrator in that case that was revealed to be very accurate once the case was solved.
“We didn’t solve our case directly as a result of what they told us,” Brannen said, “but when we did solve it, the profile they gave us was 100 percent accurate. They said it was a paranoid schizophrenic in a delusion, at least 25 years old, and that’s what it was.”
Once the team is started, agencies from all over Florida will be able to bring their own cold cases to the team in Tallahassee, which will meet two to three times a year. The team will examine evidence and report on what they believe needs to be done in order to move the case forward.
“Sometimes the best thing for one of these cases is a fresh set of eyes,” Brannen said.
“This cold case assessment team concept is profilers, laboratory people, investigators, forensic crime scene people, a medical examiner who all get together and start listening and round-tabling this case,” he said. “Before you know it, the detectives who make this presentation have two or three pages of notes to go back and work with to breathe life back into a cold case.”
“There’s that kind of talent here in Florida,” Brannen said. “It’s just a matter of getting that talent all in one place at the same time.”
Even without the benefit of state assistance, the Sumter County Sheriff’s Office has had exceptional luck in solving cold cases. In addition to the Ruiz-Wells homicide, in the past year alone two other cold homicide cases were solved, the oldest from 1987.
“From what I understand from larger agencies, they wish they could do three,” Brannen said. “You just never know. We’re hoping that at some point in time somebody is going to come forward.”
Dan Sullivan is a reporter with the Daily Sun. He can be reached at 753-1119, ext. 9059, or dan.sullivan@thevillagesmedia.com.
Second half
http://www.thevillagesdailysun.com/articles/2006/10/08/news/news02.txt
Rookie Sleuther
01-13-2009, 04:48 PM
Hi,
This is my first time ever posting here, but I read all the time. I watched Unsolved Mysteries today and there was a story about an unidentified woman found in Florida in 1971. Here is the story:
http://unsolved.com/ajaxfiles/mur_little_miss_p.htm
I went to Doe Network just to start looking at missing women around that time frame and found this woman who seems to fit:
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1238dfoh.html
What are your thoughts? It was the scar on the right foot that really makes me think it's the same girl.
And I am adding this: I just realized that the height and weight are really off on that girl, but here is another one who has had a baby and was a lot closer to FL than the first one. http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2327dfga.html
Richard
12-09-2009, 01:24 AM
Bumping for Miss Panasofkee...
kevmob77
12-11-2009, 03:01 PM
Was just wondering if these cases have been excluded as possible matches. The first 2 have some Native American ancestry, which was mentioned in the article and case file. This area where the UID was found really is no-man's land it is so desolate. I often traveled it going from Tallahassee, FL to Fort Lauderdale, FL.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/cook_mary.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/j/johnson_leah.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/sheehy_denise.html
rpipergirl
04-30-2010, 03:17 PM
I just spoke to one of the detectives in the case. He is sending me a flyer with a better picture of her so I can do a You Tube video for her. I just started doing them. She is also listed on my missing and murdered kids site. http://wolverett.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=unknown&action=display&thread=196
Also here is my myspace for her: http://www.myspace.com/littlemisspanasoffkee
Her Unsolved Mysteries page also: http://unsolved.com/ajaxfiles/mur_little_miss_p.htm
CarlK90245
06-21-2010, 07:01 PM
OK - at the risk of looking completely nuts, here goes ...
I was looking for possibles for Little Miss Panasoffkee. This is an old case, so there were only a few possibles that were the right height, age, ethnicity, etc.
I stumbled across Pamela Ann Nater, and saw that both cases are from Florida (about 40-50 miles apart) and then I realized that her face aligns PERFECTLY to the drawings. .
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/n/nater_pamela.html
http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Side-By-Side%20Comparisons/2813678340045078242S600x600Q851.jpg
The above photos are sized equally, so you can see for yourselves by dragging the photos over one another.
Of course, I said to myself "NO WAY!", and started ticking off reasons why this couldn't possibly be a match.
There is no indication that she had an ankle operation. (But no indication that she didn't)
There is no indication that she had given birth. (But the same could have been said about Jaycee Dugard.)
She disappeared with her acquaintance, Nancy Leichner, and they certainly must have been murdered and buried. (But where is the evidence that this happened?)
There is a lag of more than four years between her disappearance, and LMP's death (But without evidence of a contemporaneous murder, that's meaningless)
There is a serial killer who is assumed to have been involved, and confessed to a jailhouse snitch that he killed them. (I'll spare you from the old cliche about "assuming", and the obvious retort about the reliability of jailhouse snitches. And even if he was her killer - He was still at large in 1971. Could he have been another P. Garrido?)
LE has "followed up on hundreds of leads". They HAD TO have already checked her out as a possible (But there is no rule-out list to verify).
Should I send the case manager an e-mail starting with "I know this sounds nuts, but ...", to see whether she has ever been ruled out?
Lil'E
06-21-2010, 07:29 PM
They certainly look like a possible match CarlK. Good find.
kevmob77
06-21-2010, 08:20 PM
OK - at the risk of looking completely nuts, here goes ...
I was looking for possibles for Little Miss Panasoffkee. This is an old case, so there were only a few possibles that were the right height, age, ethnicity, etc.
I stumbled across Pamela Ann Nater, and saw that both cases are from Florida (about 40-50 miles apart) and then I realized that her face aligns PERFECTLY to the drawings. .
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/n/nater_pamela.html
http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Side-By-Side%20Comparisons/2813678340045078242S600x600Q851.jpg
The above photos are sized equally, so you can see for yourselves by dragging the photos over one another.
Of course, I said to myself "NO WAY!", and started ticking off reasons why this couldn't possibly be a match.
There is no indication that she had an ankle operation. (But no indication that she didn't)
There is no indication that she had given birth. (But the same could have been said about Jaycee Dugard.)
She disappeared with her acquaintance, Nancy Leichner, and they certainly must have been murdered and buried. (But where is the evidence that this happened?)
There is a lag of more than four years between her disappearance, and LMP's death (But without evidence of a contemporaneous murder, that's meaningless)
There is a serial killer who is assumed to have been involved, and confessed to a jailhouse snitch that he killed them. (I'll spare you from the old cliche about "assuming", and the obvious retort about the reliability of jailhouse snitches. And even if he was her killer - He was still at large in 1971. Could he have been another P. Garrido?)
LE has "followed up on hundreds of leads". They HAD TO have already checked her out as a possible (But there is no rule-out list to verify).
Should I send the case manager an e-mail starting with "I know this sounds nuts, but ...", to see whether she has ever been ruled out?
I would definitely send it in. You never know. I attended FSU in Tallahassee and frequently drove down to South Florida and would pass Lake Panasoffkee. It is about as desolate of an area as it gets, the type of place where the gas station in town has two 1950's style pumps. I recall this case from Unsolved Mysteries years ago. Let us know if you send this in and receive a response.
CarlK90245
06-22-2010, 01:49 PM
Looking in the NamUs casefile for this case, I saw several discrepancies between NamUs and the information from the DoeNet and Unsolved.com articles.
NamUs: https://identifyus.org/cases/6040
Unsolved.com: http://unsolved.com/ajaxfiles/mur_little_miss_p.htm
DoeNet: http://doenetwork.org/cases/470uffl.html
NamUs indicates that she was found on September 19, 1971. DoeNet and Unsolved.com indicate she was found on February 19, 1971.
NamUs indicates that she was 66 inches (i.e., 5'6"). The other two indicate 5'2".
kevmob77
06-22-2010, 02:21 PM
Here is the Unsolved Mysteries episode with her case:
http://www.youtube.com/user/UMyouCantStopMe#p/search/3/TSo5XzcrTGY
carbuff
06-22-2010, 02:30 PM
OK - at the risk of looking completely nuts, here goes ...
I was looking for possibles for Little Miss Panasoffkee. This is an old case, so there were only a few possibles that were the right height, age, ethnicity, etc.
I stumbled across Pamela Ann Nater, and saw that both cases are from Florida (about 40-50 miles apart) and then I realized that her face aligns PERFECTLY to the drawings. .
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/n/nater_pamela.html
http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Side-By-Side%20Comparisons/2813678340045078242S600x600Q851.jpg
The above photos are sized equally, so you can see for yourselves by dragging the photos over one another.
Of course, I said to myself "NO WAY!", and started ticking off reasons why this couldn't possibly be a match.
There is no indication that she had an ankle operation. (But no indication that she didn't)
There is no indication that she had given birth. (But the same could have been said about Jaycee Dugard.)
She disappeared with her acquaintance, Nancy Leichner, and they certainly must have been murdered and buried. (But where is the evidence that this happened?)
There is a lag of more than four years between her disappearance, and LMP's death (But without evidence of a contemporaneous murder, that's meaningless)
There is a serial killer who is assumed to have been involved, and confessed to a jailhouse snitch that he killed them. (I'll spare you from the old cliche about "assuming", and the obvious retort about the reliability of jailhouse snitches. And even if he was her killer - He was still at large in 1971. Could he have been another P. Garrido?)
LE has "followed up on hundreds of leads". They HAD TO have already checked her out as a possible (But there is no rule-out list to verify).
Should I send the case manager an e-mail starting with "I know this sounds nuts, but ...", to see whether she has ever been ruled out?
I think you should send it in -- looks very close to me. The time discrepancy is weird, but maybe for some reason the two women decided to walk out on their lives.
CarlK90245
06-22-2010, 02:36 PM
I downloaded Camtasia and made a video clip showing how the two images overlay each other, although I am not sure how to show it here.
I'm trying to compose a concise e-mail that will convince the case manager to overlook the obvious discrepancies, and check it out via DNA or dentals, if they have not done so already. I can attach the video clip to the e-mail.
I have a feeling that this could be one of those cases where they just said "No way" without actually going through the trouble of checking for a positive rule-out.
CarlK90245
06-22-2010, 03:57 PM
OK - Here's the letter that I sent to the NamUs case manager for this case.
Dona:
I was looking at the case of "Little Miss Panasoffkee" Jane Doe found Feb 19, 1971.
NamUs: https://identifyus.org/cases/6040
DoeNetwork: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/470uffl.html
While looking at possible matches for this unidentified decedent, I came across Pamela Ann Nater.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/n/nater_pamela.html
I was initially struck by her overall resemblance to the reconstruction and the close proximity (about 40 miles) from her hometown of Altoona to Lake Panasoffkee. But when I overlaid her photo over the facial reconstruction, I was amazed to find that their facial features align to each other perfectly (See attached video clip). The only place where the photos don’t align are at the left jawline. But this is because Pamela’s head is turned very slightly to her right in the photo, resulting in a slightly more direct aspect of her left jaw. Their right jawlines, as well as all other facial features, align perfectly.
Has Pamela Nater ever been compared and POSITIVELY ruled out as a match to this decedent? -- And if so, do you know what the basis was for the rule out?
Looking at the circumstances, timeframe and physical details not mentioned in Pamela’s profile, they appear to be unlikely matches. However, none of these apparent inconsistencies can’t be overcome by a hypothetical (albeit unlikely) scenario.
And I uploaded the video to YouTube, so here's the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSoZGCmJpZE
q64ceo
12-01-2010, 12:35 AM
BUMP
Any updates?
rpipergirl
04-24-2011, 01:03 PM
Her name us says she still had baby teeth Plural. I think she is younger than was initially thought. I'd like to see a forensic odontologist look at her teeth and give us an age estimate. IMO Pamela Nater while looking very similar is too old. She would have been 25 at the time Little miss P was found.
rpipergirl
06-16-2011, 07:53 PM
my Facebook group for her. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_169749169754583
Deeds
06-20-2011, 11:43 AM
PATRICIA JOAN CHESHER
Case Type: Endangered Runaway
DOB: Feb 17, 1957
Missing Date: Jun 17, 1969
Sex: Female
Race: White
Height: 4'0" (122 cm)
Weight: 86 lbs (39 kg)
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Brown
Missing City: ALBUQUERQUE
Missing State : NM
Circumstances: Patricia's photo is shown age-progressed to 53 years. She was last seen on June 17, 1969. She was last seen wearing a multicolor plaid dress and tennis shoes. Patricia's nickname is Patty.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2893dfnm.html
https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/8865/0/
JDuMo
06-20-2011, 06:58 PM
Her name us says she still had baby teeth Plural. I think she is younger than was initially thought. I'd like to see a forensic odontologist look at her teeth and give us an age estimate. IMO Pamela Nater while looking very similar is too old. She would have been 25 at the time Little miss P was found.
I have two baby teeth and I am almost 40. It's a genetic condition - not uncommon at all.
Redwood146
06-25-2011, 05:44 AM
I dont know what to think.....the profiles dont match at all but the photos certainly are a match .......
smile22
11-24-2011, 10:04 AM
i need help finding this case the name came to me this am i am almost 90 percent sure she has a thread on her. i first saw her case years ago as a teen on unsolved mysteries. she is an unidentified person. they called her panashofsky or panashofski
( that was not her name but a name they gave her due to the area she was found in) the spelling is way off. i did a google with both spellings and names and nothing came up. i even imputed the words unsolved and nothing. i believe she was from the south maybe florida area. my memories of this case are fuzzy due to its been years since i have seen it on tv im not sure if it was a little girl or a teen or a young adult early 20s .
wfgodot
11-24-2011, 10:23 AM
FL - Lake Panasoffkee in Sumter County - "Little Miss Panasoffkee", 18-23, Feb 1971
Richard
04-23-2012, 10:50 AM
For years, all case summaries have stated that no clothing was recovered from the scene. Now, the Doenetwork is saying this:
Clothing: Flowered printed shawl with a fringed border; plain cotton blouse; green flowered pants; bra and nylon underwear. Large, clear stone ring on right finger, yellow metal watch on left wrist.
LINK:
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/470uffl.html
KateB
06-21-2012, 10:38 PM
http://doenetwork.org/cases/470uffl.html
https://identifyus.org/en/medias/show/6267
http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Missing%20Persons%20Photos/2540265440045078242S600x600Q851.jpg
Ms. Baird:
GA GA - Gloria Jean Baird, 23, 1969 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
63-65" 106 lbs.
LKA 12/31/1969 23 yrs old
1 child
Father is dentist.
Lt brown/brown hair
Blue eyes
Scar on right side under chin
Lake Panasoffkee Jane Doe is alluded to in post #20 in Ms. Baird's thread but I don't see where any comparisons were ever discussed once the data on her was available.
https://identifyus.org/en/cases/full_report/6040
Many more sketches at link. I picked the one that favors Ms.Baird most to me.
Lake Panasoffkee Jane Doe
61" 100 lbs.
Date found 2/19/1971 18-23 yrs. old
appears to have given birth
Extensive dental work.
Dark brown/black hair
Eyes unknown
may be mixed race.
Seems this one should have already been ruled out, but I can find no evidence of that so what am I missing besides the hair color difference & 2 inches on height? Thanks.
CarlK90245
06-28-2012, 03:49 AM
There's a new facial reconstruction of Miss Panasoffkee in NamUs, and some photos of her clothing.
https://identifyus.org/en/cases/6040
http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Facial%20Reconstructions%20002/bilde_zpse2a4280c.jpghttp://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Misc%20Websleuths%20Images/bildeClothes_zpsa2a3c23f.jpg
KateB
06-28-2012, 05:19 AM
Her nose is unique in the new reconstruction. If she was a recent Greek immigrant, as her dentals indicate, she may have been attending the annual Epiphany in Tarpon Springs, a Greek community about 75 miles from where she was found. http://lcweb2.loc.gov/diglib/legacies/FL/200002868.html
pg=4798%2C4355706
Many people travel distances for this event. I wonder if she went there with her child to receive blessings.
There is an archived article with the schedule of events for the Jan 6, 1971 Epiphany. http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=WDtSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=rnUDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4798%2C4355706
Redwood146
06-28-2012, 05:54 AM
I think you should at least submit it. They look so similar even their mouths seem to be similar. Long shot maybe but I think it needs to be submitted.
Ambercat
06-28-2012, 09:01 PM
Her nose is unique in the new reconstruction. If she was a recent Greek immigrant, as her dentals indicate, she may have been attending the annual Epiphany in Tarpon Springs, a Greek community about 75 miles from where she was found. http://lcweb2.loc.gov/diglib/legacies/FL/200002868.html
pg=4798%2C4355706
Many people travel distances for this event. I wonder if she went there with her child to receive blessings.
There is an archived article with the schedule of events for the Jan 6, 1971 Epiphany. http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=WDtSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=rnUDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4798%2C4355706
I wonder if she could be a tourist who was robbed and murdered (I know that Florida had a problem with this happening to international tourists a while back, but I really don't know if they had this problem in the 1970s)? How far is Lake Panasoffkee from the tourist places that people visit?
Another possibility could be some kind of domestic dispute and with her significant other telling people that she left him and returned to Greece when in actuality he murdered her, but I have no idea how to pursue this if he never reported her missing.
annemc2
06-29-2012, 01:27 AM
That's very interesting about the clothing and the dentals.
Was wondering about the watch - thought maybe if Zales/Baylor was still a small Texas-based outfit in the 1960s we could narrow down where the watch came from but it looks like no such luck:
By the mid-1960s, Zale operated the nation's--and the world's--largest retail jewelry chain. Its 403 stores produced $81 million in 1963, with a net income of nearly $5 million. Diamonds continued to represent the largest share of Zale's sales, about $27 million. Operating manufacturing plants in New York, Tel Aviv, and Puerto Rico, the company also operated a wholesale division, selling to other jewelry retailers. Zale also made and sold watches under its own Baylor's label, buying mechanisms from Switzerland.
http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/zale-corporation-history/
bflocket
06-29-2012, 12:05 PM
Could she have been a Greek exchange student? If she had good dental work and health care (the surgery, etc) her family could have afforded to get her in that type of program. Or perhaps college classes somewhere.
If she indeed had a child, I don't see why there isn't someone looking for HER (not just her identity). If it were a hubby traveling with her that killed her, they'd be tourists and others might not notice she's missing. If she were on vacation and the serial killer got her, wouldn't her travel group notice?
Soulmagent
06-29-2012, 12:25 PM
Did they still have homes for unwed mother in the early 70's ?
SoBeCzar
06-29-2012, 02:54 PM
http://doenetwork.org/cases/2809dfok.html
Leah Gail Johnson
Missing since November 20, 1970 from Sayre, Beckham County, Oklahoma
Classification: Missing
Vital Statistics
Date Of Birth: August 15, 1952
Age at Time of Disappearance: 18 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'2; 142 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Native female. Dark brown hair; brown eyes.
Clothing: Purple bell bottoms; brown shirt; brown leather coat.
Circumstances of Disappearance
Leah, Jimmy Williams and Thomas Rios were last seen in Sayre, Oklahoma on the night of November 20, 1970.
Leah, Thomas and Jimmy never came home that night. Jimmy's car has never been located.
She went missing with two males. Wonder if it is possible she was pregnant and had a baby. The weight is high but not if she was pregnant. She is native with dark hair and eyes.
SoBeCzar
06-30-2012, 01:55 PM
Here is Leah Johnson and Little Miss Panasoffkee side by side.
German Girl 1966
06-30-2012, 05:31 PM
interesting article from today:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/clues-emerge-in-cold-case-murder-that-may-be-tied-to-tarpon-springs/1238126
KateB
06-30-2012, 08:32 PM
interesting article from today:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/clues-emerge-in-cold-case-murder-that-may-be-tied-to-tarpon-springs/1238126
Thanks for posting that. Offtopic, but some of you may be interested to know Erin Kimmerle is also guiding the cemetery project at the Dozier School for boys. She's doing some amazing work.
http://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/article1230895.ece
Times did a special investigation section on the school. http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/dozier/
annemc2
06-30-2012, 09:46 PM
That was a great article, German Girl 1966 - thanks for posting. And yea to KateB who made the Epiphany connection, just like local investigators!!
KateB
07-03-2012, 03:54 PM
She is front page with additional 2 composite pages on the Tarpon Springs PD site: http://www.tspd.us/index.html
I found this interesting. The American Community School in Athens:
http://www.acsgreece.com/name.html
And they have this up to help feed CarlK's addiction to yearbook photos: http://mitch_kief.tripod.com/evzone71/evzone_1971.pdf
Of course, she was found early in 1971, and was probably pregnant shortly before that so don't expect her to be in this book but still interesting to see the fashion & few ponchos in the pics.
EveDallas
07-06-2012, 01:44 PM
Wasn't there something wrong with one or both of her ankles too ?
CarlK90245
07-06-2012, 01:50 PM
Wasn't there something wrong with one or both of her ankles too ?
Yes she did. From the DoeNetwork page:
Orthopedic surgery had been performed on her right ankle due to instability in the ankle. The procedure, known as a "Watson-Jones" technique, involved drilling two small holes in the ankle bone and winding a tendon through them.
Sleuthster
08-14-2012, 09:38 AM
Did they still have homes for unwed mother in the early 70's ?
Yes and they still do in Florida. Alpha house has one in St Petersburg and one in Tampa that have been there for many decades. I was thinking this too, seeing that they said she'd been preg before.
Edit-there is a male adoptee born March 69 and and adopted March 70 searching for his birthmother. He was born in Tarpon Springs. Handled through Catholic Charities. Alpha house's adoptions are mostly handled through Catholic Charities.
BTW, I grew up in the greek community of TS. My stepfather, an attorney, was greek and I still have many many friends in the community. Many of them hold duel citizenship with Greece and come back and forth with quite a few having been here for many generations. Some originally came from Greece and went to Chicago or Atlanta or NYC before coming here.
Sleuthster
08-14-2012, 10:47 AM
Doing research, up until 2010 Lavrion Greece was used by the Greek govt as a "camp" for refugees. In the 60's-80's for political refugees from Eastern Bloc countries and the Middle East. Later it was used to house Kurds. This could indicate that the doe is not necessarily of greek decent. Also, I googled Lavrion and tarpon and found someone who is from Lavrion and owns a childrens clothing charity right down the road from my house. He came here in 74 and states he is an only child in the St Pete times article.
I dont think this is a big community, pop is only about 10,000 currently and alot where refugees up until the camps closed in 2010.
annoulzz
08-14-2012, 05:22 PM
She could have came from a village that is outside of Lavrio, like Agios Konstantinos or Finikodasos. A lot of Greeks usually say they are from the bigger city, when in fact they're from small villages, and if she spent enough time in Lavrio, it would make sense that her dental records show that. Also the closest islands to Lavrio are Makronisos and Kythnos.
"Agios Konstantinos is famous for its mining areas as well as its neighboring Laurium, the mining town and is part of the mining district of Laurium. Mineral rocks founded around this area includes azurite, chalcoalumite, calcite, austinite, adamite and more.
Agios Konstantinos has a school, a lyceum, banks, churches, a post office and a few squares (plateies), its nearest gymnasia or high school is in Lavrio."
This is the map where Lavrio is in Athens.
http://www.mlahanas.de/Greece/Cities/Images/SounioM.gif
My parents are from two villages outside of Sparta, but I just say Sparta. I don't always say, yeah i'm from Krokees and Vordonia. I know most of the Greeks who are from Tarpon Springs, are from the islands of Rhodes and Kalymnos... maybe she was visiting family or friends during that time she was there.. she could have been from NYC or Chicago which are other huge Greek populated areas before coming to Florida.
CarlK90245
08-22-2012, 11:42 PM
Here's an interesting possible, just added today to NamUs:
Alexis Duggan
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/17121/0
* She is missing from Tampa (about 65 miles from Lake Panasoffkee)
* The timeframe is a little long (5 months from Sep'70 to Feb'71).
* She has a scar on her right ankle.
* She has given birth to one child
* Her age (19) is within range (17-24).
* Her height (5'5") is within range (5'2" to 5'5")
* Her hair color (brown) is right.
* Her eye color (brown) is right.
I couldn't find her photo in any yearbooks. But in my research, I found that she had been married twice.
Her maiden name is Godwin.
Her surname from her first marriage was Yerby (not Yearby as indicated in NamUs), and they were divorced in Aug 1969.
She married A.T. Duggan on 02-Jan-1970.
Angie4b1g
08-23-2012, 07:45 AM
Oh my gosh wouldn't that be amazing!!
Nixster13
08-23-2012, 12:32 PM
Hey Carl! I was looking for a photo or Alexis, and found this, and it makes no sense to me. I'm sure data gets misentered all the time, but 1993?? Huh?
Title: Duggan, Alexis
Description: 06/23/1993 Hillsborough Co. Fla.
truthseeker - December 17, 2008 04:41 AM (GMT)
http://pas.fdle.state.fl.us/pas/person/vie...gPerson-96187.a
Name: DUGGAN, ALEXIS
Nicknames:Aliases:YEARBY, ALEXIS; GODWIN, ALEXIS
Missing Person Circumstances:
Reporting Agency:Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office
Agency Case #:70-27207
Date of Last Contact:06/23/1993
Date of Birth:02/21/1951 Race:WHITE Sex:FEMALE Height:5' 05" Weight:135 Hair Color:BROWN Eyes Color:BROWN Scars, Marks, Tattoos:SCAR, LEG, RIGHT; SCAR, ANKLE, RIGHT; SCAR, ABDOMEN Occupation:
Last Known Address City and State:TAMPA FL
Medical Caution Information:
http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/ar/t40819.htm
CarlK90245
08-23-2012, 12:42 PM
Hey Carl! I was looking for a photo or Alexis, and found this, and it makes no sense to me. I'm sure data gets misentered all the time, but 1993?? Huh?
Title: Duggan, Alexis
Description: 06/23/1993 Hillsborough Co. Fla.
truthseeker - December 17, 2008 04:41 AM (GMT)
http://pas.fdle.state.fl.us/pas/person/vie...gPerson-96187.a
Name: DUGGAN, ALEXIS
Nicknames:Aliases:YEARBY, ALEXIS; GODWIN, ALEXIS
Missing Person Circumstances:
Reporting Agency:Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office
Agency Case #:70-27207
Date of Last Contact:06/23/1993
Date of Birth:02/21/1951 Race:WHITE Sex:FEMALE Height:5' 05" Weight:135 Hair Color:BROWN Eyes Color:BROWN Scars, Marks, Tattoos:SCAR, LEG, RIGHT; SCAR, ANKLE, RIGHT; SCAR, ABDOMEN Occupation:
Last Known Address City and State:TAMPA FL
Medical Caution Information:
http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/ar/t40819.htm
That record appears to indicate a 1970 case number (70-27207), so I would suspect that the 1993 DLC is incorrect.
Also, while looking for photos of her, I found a photo of her second husband in a 1961 yearbook. That, and the marriage and divorce dates, and the info about leaving an infant behind supports the earlier date .
Angie4b1g
08-23-2012, 01:44 PM
6/23/1993 was probably the day they filled out that report and they just entered it in both spots.
CarlK90245
08-23-2012, 03:31 PM
Here's an interesting possible, just added today to NamUs:
Alexis Duggan
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/17121/0
* She is missing from Tampa (about 65 miles from Lake Panasoffkee)
* The timeframe is a little long (5 months from Sep'70 to Feb'71).
* She has a scar on her right ankle.
* She has given birth to one child
* Her age (19) is within range (17-24).
* Her height (5'5") is within range (5'2" to 5'5")
* Her hair color (brown) is right.
* Her eye color (brown) is right.
I couldn't find her photo in any yearbooks. But in my research, I found that she had been married twice.
Her maiden name is Godwin.
Her surname from her first marriage was Yerby (not Yearby as indicated in NamUs), and they were divorced in Aug 1969.
She married A.T. Duggan on 02-Jan-1970.
I e-mailed this in to Michael Nance. He replied as follows:
Carl,
Excellent find. I have sent requests to UNT to compare DNA on each case. I'll let you know the results when I get them.
Angie4b1g
08-23-2012, 04:06 PM
Fingers crossed!
annoulzz
10-09-2012, 12:31 AM
have there been any updates?
CarlK90245
10-09-2012, 12:54 PM
Here's an interesting possible, just added today to NamUs:
Alexis Duggan
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/17121/0
* She is missing from Tampa (about 65 miles from Lake Panasoffkee)
* The timeframe is a little long (5 months from Sep'70 to Feb'71).
* She has a scar on her right ankle.
* She has given birth to one child
* Her age (19) is within range (17-24).
* Her height (5'5") is within range (5'2" to 5'5")
* Her hair color (brown) is right.
* Her eye color (brown) is right.
I couldn't find her photo in any yearbooks. But in my research, I found that she had been married twice.
Her maiden name is Godwin.
Her surname from her first marriage was Yerby (not Yearby as indicated in NamUs), and they were divorced in Aug 1969.
She married A.T. Duggan on 02-Jan-1970.
If anyone is interested, the DOB on Alexis Duggan (AKA Alexis Yerby, AKA Alexis Godwin) is 21-Feb-1951.
Sleuthster
10-09-2012, 01:28 PM
If anyone is interested, the DOB on Alexis Duggan (AKA Alexis Yerby, AKA Alexis Godwin) is 21-Feb-1951.
She was married to an A.T.Duggan according to knowx. Mr Duggan has a very lengthy arrest history including federal weapons charges in the 90's which made the news.
JupiterAmmon
10-09-2012, 10:03 PM
Here's an interesting possible, just added today to NamUs:
Alexis Duggan
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/17121/0
* She is missing from Tampa (about 65 miles from Lake Panasoffkee)
* The timeframe is a little long (5 months from Sep'70 to Feb'71).
* She has a scar on her right ankle.
* She has given birth to one child
* Her age (19) is within range (17-24).
* Her height (5'5") is within range (5'2" to 5'5")
* Her hair color (brown) is right.
* Her eye color (brown) is right.
I couldn't find her photo in any yearbooks. But in my research, I found that she had been married twice.
Her maiden name is Godwin.
Her surname from her first marriage was Yerby (not Yearby as indicated in NamUs), and they were divorced in Aug 1969.
She married A.T. Duggan on 02-Jan-1970.
Hi there Carl. Sounds like a promising find. I am wondering what is the significance of her maiden named being Godwin?
CarlK90245
10-10-2012, 12:52 AM
I am wondering what is the significance of her maiden named being Godwin?
No significance. I just bolded her apparent maiden name to assist anyone who might want to do further research.
chaddylex
10-10-2012, 08:33 AM
I e-mailed this in to Michael Nance. He replied as follows:
I take it you haven't heard anything back from Michael Nance?
They both have DNA on file, you would think they would be able to make a fast comparison...
elmomom
11-12-2012, 08:19 PM
New article about this case, with great descriptions if how they used new methods to find her Greek heritage
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/13/science/isotope-analysis-provides-clues-in-a-florida-cold-case.html?hp&_r=0
jessica-
11-13-2012, 12:53 AM
Marianne Decker?
Date Of Birth: August 6, 1955
Age at Time of Disappearance: 15 years old
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Dark blonde hair; dark brown eyes.
Missing from Germany, not Greece :waitasec:
Aluev
12-01-2012, 05:15 PM
This case was presented yesterday on a Greek TV-Show investigating missing persons cases.
A woman called and said she identified this Jane Doe as a former classmate and friend. They were attending a prep school for legal migrants, located in Kifisia (suburb in Athens, Greece), teaching home economics and preparing the students to be sent off to the USA and Australia with a 2 year contract for work. This school was funded by the International Organization for Migration.
Here is a link to an article detailing the immigration program's work (through google translate):
http://translate.google.gr/translate?hl=el&sl=el&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fneoskosmos.com%2Fnews%2Fel%2Fnode%2 F17545
The woman that called said that her classmate was called Konstantina and had a brother serving in the Navy near Lavrio. They lost contact when the caller was sent to Australia and Konstantina was sent to the USA for work. The caller also mentioned that she had photos of that era and she would try to find them and see if Konstantina was in any of them.
This is the link of the TV Show's page on this case:
http://www.anikolouli.gr/index.php?pathID=1_118_119_120_157&aid=2487
annoulzz
12-17-2012, 12:39 PM
this is awesome news.. i knew that they would eventually show something like this on the Greek TV.. check out the picture of this girl Konstantina... there was another link posted on the TV site... which also included about the 21 month old British boy Ben Needham who vanished from Kos...
http://www.anikolouli.gr/index.php?pathID=1_118_119_120_157&aid=2514
http://www.anikolouli.gr/as/fl579.jpg
carbuff
12-17-2012, 03:43 PM
Side by side. Sure looks like it could be the same girl.
http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Side-By-Side%20Comparisons/PanasoffkeeKonstantinaComparison_zps181246a7.jpg
annoulzz
12-18-2012, 03:14 PM
the nose and eyes look like a match... i hope the caller sends in more pictures...
annoulzz
12-21-2012, 04:38 PM
i am sorry for the double post, but here is the YouTube link of this case on the Greek TV Show, go to the 34th Minute... and to re-explain what someone missed...basically, they introduced her in the last episode and they were following up again and re-showing her photos, and the outfit she was supposedly found in and the jewelry. She was basically translating in Greek everything that Sumter County had already and said how multiple people called in... few called in to say that the girl in the composite photo looked like Konstantina, and another lady sent in photos of the girls that were supposed to go to AMERICA that year. They showed 2 additional photos of 2 girls who they thought MIGHT look like the composite photo, in addition to another photo of Konstantina.
ΦΩΣ ΣΤΟ ΤΟΥΝΕΛ S17E06 ALPHA MELITINI28 - YouTube
also clearer pictures...
another photo of konstantina
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5605/knstatina1.jpg
the two other girls that COULD be Little Miss P who were traveling to the US
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4108/demegirl.jpg
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/3433/demegrl2.jpg
they basically want to find these 2 girls who may know what happened when they went to the US and about Konstantina...
carbuff
12-21-2012, 05:30 PM
If I'm understanding you correctly, all three girls are missing?
Are they entered in any European or US missing persons sites?
If I'm understanding you correctly, all three girls are missing?
Are they entered in any European or US missing persons sites?
I don't know if they are missing...more of lost track of? Like you lost track of your old high school buddies but they aren't lost. They want to talk to the girls who went to the US and see if they know anything, but they aren't sure where they are now.
That is my take on it.
annoulzz
12-22-2012, 11:32 AM
Deca is right. The daughter of a DEME employee at that time sent in a group photo of the girls that were supposed to go to America that year probably in 1969 or 1970 and she thought those 2 girls could have resembled the composite photo. That's why now Aggeliki, the TV host wants to find those 2 girls, in addition to Konstantina's relatives to see what happened when the girls went to the US and possibly rule them out.
carbuff
12-22-2012, 02:31 PM
Deca is right. The daughter of a DEME employee at that time sent in a group photo of the girls that were supposed to go to America that year probably in 1969 or 1970 and she thought those 2 girls could have resembled the composite photo. That's why now Aggeliki, the TV host wants to find those 2 girls, in addition to Konstantina's relatives to see what happened when the girls went to the US and possibly rule them out.
Okay, thanks for clarifying :)
annoulzz
12-27-2012, 03:30 AM
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/3433/demegrl2.jpg
the daughter of this lady called into the show and she said her mother is alive and well...but was sleeping at the time of the broadcast. The daughter said she went to australia during that time and not to the USA.. but would try to have her call in at a later time.
in addition, there was a jewelry store in downtown Athens at that time before the 1970s that sold Baylor watches.
Also Aggeliki, the TV host is perplexed at the fact that they have been showing the picture of Konstantina for the last two weeks and no one has come forward to "claim" her, i.e. relatives or really close friends of her... and she is really starting to think that the composite photo is really her. People from Lavrio had requested to see the two side by side photos again to see if they recognize either of them... a new episode will show on Jan 11th.
annoulzz
04-16-2013, 01:30 PM
bump
There hasn't been any new information regarding her on the Tunnel show, but I am trying to research information about the Hellenic Navy where this "Stelio" Konstantina's brother served while she was at DEME before she came to the USA...I found that the Hellenic Naval base is on Salamina Island which is very near to Lavrio and K. Margaritis was the Vice-Admiral during the time of 1968-1973.
Also - since Little Miss P was found in that area, officials were quick to say that she could have been from Tarpon Springs since St. Nick's is there and there's a huge Greek population, but there are at least 3 other churches in that area where she was dumped that she could have been a member of. One of the churches in St. Augustine, has old photos and i'm trying to go through them to see if there is anyone that semi resembles the composite photo... i'll see what i can find out...
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