Michelle Young. Murdered Pregnant Mom, NC Part 12

[Samiya]

Stand by for copy and pastes :)

Hugs
Sami

[Samiya]

RAISINCHARLIE:

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Originally Posted by 5bigfish5
Hi RaisinCharlie,

Been there, done that. More spin. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/emotbanghead.gif

If you go by a similar moniker there, I responded to yours.

Cheers!

I saw you ! I get the feeling this is JTF re-incarnated with a different tone. Until such person can actually answer a straight question with a straight answer this will remain my opinion.

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CRIMEQ:

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Originally Posted by raisincharlie
I saw you ! I get the feeling this is JTF re-incarnated with a different tone. Until such person can actually answer a straight question with a straight answer this will remain my opinion. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/crazy1.gif

I'll be watching! Gojo does seem to have warmth in his tone, while JTF seemed angrier and taunting. I'm not sure that big a change could occur in posting style, but stranger things have happened! And the information Gojo is delivering seems straight-forward, while JTF's obviously was not, but was clouded in riddles.

Another newbie, Thr33-something, seems reincarnated. One of the first posts referred specificially to Coldwater and shutdowns of the thread because of going O/T. I'll be watching that style, too, to see if it rings a bell!

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HAPPY2BN10EC:

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Originally Posted by jilly
Hi Happy! I think this might have been right after the murder happened and the media checked out the daycare to see if Cassidy was scheduled to be there that Friday. At that point everybody was wondering if Michelle was schedule for work that day as well. So, Cassidy would not have been there. Just guessing about this.

We've been told (rumor) that JY and Cassidy are staying with his sister in Brevard. Nothing more.

Thanks, Jilly. I was a little bumfuzzled about that...

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HAPPY2BN10EC:

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Originally Posted by jilly
Good points and I agree with you earlier, for some reason LE is not seeking the public's assistance on this. Maybe they've got what they need - a video from the hotel showing him arriving, leaving (and returning). If they don't have this surely they would be requesting assistance. Then again they haven't even named him as a suspect so maybe this has something to do with it. I'd like to know at what point one changes from POI to suspect.

I have no sympathy for JY either. You said it best.

I tend to think they have what they need - not once have I heard them asking the public for ANYTHING. Reminds me of the cops in CA asking for anyone who had possibly seen Scott P that day in his truck hauling the boat to come forward so they could verify his alibi. Which, of course, his alibi was what bit him in the end anyway - putting himself where the body washed up. But anyway...horse of a different color.

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SCANDI:

Velly Intellesting. I think we have the SF and JY in two of those posters. Now in come the forces for backup. LOL We could be in for an onslought. Keep those good instincts zoned in. I love it!

And now I'm not getting a bit of work done
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YEE HAWWW lmao

Sami
xxx

[Samiya]

JILLY:

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Originally Posted by happy2bn10ec
I tend to think they have what they need - not once have I heard them asking the public for ANYTHING. Reminds me of the cops in CA asking for anyone who had possibly seen Scott P that day in his truck hauling the boat to come forward so they could verify his alibi. Which, of course, his alibi was what bit him in the end anyway - putting himself where the body washed up. But anyway...horse of a different color.


Too many similarities Happy - Laci and Michelle. It's eerie.

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RAISINCHARLIE:

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Originally Posted by crimeq
I'll be watching! Gojo does seem to have warmth in his tone, while JTF seemed angrier and taunting. I'm not sure that big a change could occur in posting style, but stranger things have happened! And the information Gojo is delivering seems straight-forward, while JTF's obviously was not, but was clouded in riddles.

Another newbie, Thr33-something, seems reincarnated. One of the first posts referred specificially to Coldwater and shutdowns of the thread because of going O/T. I'll be watching that style, too, to see if it rings a bell!

Crimeq,

You need to excuse me but until these folks present something of substance I will continue to doubt them. While gojo seemed straight forward it ended the same - whatever happened was someone else's fault. In this case LE messed the entire family over and forced JY to hide in the house with a couple of his buddies (what were they doing at Meredith's house?) and get a lawyer. Then gojo disappears just as previous posters. No real questions answered only talk about what they choose and nothing verifiable.

I don't buy it nor will I buy it, I have been around LE too long and have seen with my own eyes how things of a sensitive nature are handled - this presentation IMO was a boat load of garbage. Granted I don't know how WCSO handles things - but I have very serious doubts it was handled in the fashion presented by the poster especially when there is a direct quote from LE about what was said. JMo of course and I have been wrong before. Someone here will slap some sense into me I am thankfully.http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif
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SAMIYA:

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Originally Posted by raisincharlie
Crimeq,

You need to excuse me but until these folks present something of substance I will continue to doubt them. While gojo seemed straight forward it ended the same - whatever happened was someone else's fault. In this case LE messed the entire family over and forced JY to hide in the house with a couple of his buddies (what were they doing at Meredith's house?) and get a lawyer. Then gojo disappears just as previous posters. No real questions answered only talk about what they choose and nothing verifiable.

I don't buy it nor will I buy it, I have been around LE too long and have seen with my own eyes how things of a sensitive nature are handled - this presentation IMO was a boat load of garbage. Granted I don't know how WCSO handles things - but I have very serious doubts it was handled in the fashion presented by the poster especially when there is a direct quote from LE about what was said. JMo of course and I have been wrong before. Someone here will slap some sense into me I am thankfully.http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif

Don't look at me to slap any sense into ya honey, lmao

Now if we go by GoJo,

WHO invited Jason's FRIENDS over to MEREDITH'S house?

"Hey bud's, me missus was murdered. Meet me at her sister's house"

?????????????

Sami
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[raisincharlie]

Sami,

You crack me up - who invited Jys buddies to Meredith's house to wait for JY to return ? Too funny- I wonder if this fellow can do a number 2 by himself.:D

[Samiya]

Sami,

You crack me up - who invited Jys buddies to Meredith's house to wait for JY to return ? Too funny- I wonder if this fellow can do a number 2 by himself.:D
I was cheerfully reading along with gojo until I saw the buddies with JY in MF's house and just cracked up. Must've been the welcoming committee :confused:

lmao@number2! I thought I was the only person who spoke old time slang!

I'm off for a dogs eye and dead horse :) Lunch time here :) brb

lmao
Sami

[scandi]

Crack me up you guys!~ :D Way too funny.

Sami, color me dense, but I read through those posts so fast over there I missed the buddies with JY at MF's house. Did you mean the other new seemingly buddies that followed Gojo onto the forum?

I don't want to lose one little tidbit as it could mess up my sleuthing. LOLOLOL ;)

[raisincharlie]

Crack me up you guys!~ :D Way too funny.

Sami, color me dense, but I read through those posts so fast over there I missed the buddies with JY at MF's house. Did you mean the other new seemingly buddies that followed Gojo onto the forum?

I don't want to lose one little tidbit as it could mess up my sleuthing. LOLOLOL ;)
Not to step on Ms. Sami's little toes but it was gojo who said some of JYs buddies were waiting for him at Meredith's house. That must have been interesting sitting there with all those bad boy cops who were just faunching at the bit to rough up JYs Mom.:rolleyes:

I wonder why JY hid in the house with his buddies while the cops were roughing up his Mom outside ?:confused:

I'm sorry Scandi, but that liitle tale was....I can't say it here :mad:

[Dominique]

I posted this on the old thread, not seeing the new one!

I have always thought that JTF's posts could be two different people...there is underlying bitterness about JY's plight, no sympathy really for the Fishers and even the victim...one is agressive and male but immature...the other expresses more angst over things a female would but is also immature...just not as aggresive...I don't know but I don't care to respond to that person/persons and have no reception for the line of trash (bs is merely a digsestive byproduct of bovines so I can't even beschmirch bs and can only say trash) that it/he/she/they are putting out to 'the curb'...we ain't no curb and we are much smarter than that!

[Dominique]

Nite to all, I am baking some brownies for our smelling pleasure ... beaming them to you all w/plenty of cold milk!

Thks. for the jelly beans! :crazy:

[scandi]

Nite Dominique ;} See you tomorrow. MmmmmmI can smell the brownies all the way over here. LOL

Barney said . .Originally Posted by Barney Fife
"That immature male/female sounds very much like Rhett Fussell.....male, but seems to be very in touch with his feminine side...

I laughed at that, but it could be true. That means he's posting from my home town, not too far away from me, right? :D If I were a bad girl I'd go wag my fingers at him thru his window and watch him jump out of his skin. :D :D Nah, I'd never do that, but he'd sure know we're on to him.

I think this could be a good call.

[raisincharlie]

Nite Dominique ;} See you tomorrow. MmmmmmI can smell the brownies all the way over here. LOL

Barney said . .Originally Posted by Barney Fife
"That immature male/female sounds very much like Rhett Fussell.....male, but seems to be very in touch with his feminine side...

I laughed at that, but it could be true. That means he's posting from my home town, not too far away from me, right? :D If I were a bad girl I'd go wag my fingers at him thru his window and watch him jump out of his skin. :D :D Nah, I'd never do that, but he'd sure know we're on to him.

I think this could be a good call.
I'll buy you a nice little battery powered neon sign mounted on a cap that says CTV if you'll go do it !:blowkiss: Too funny but for some reason I have this vision of you just marching right on over there like this:hand:

On a serious note, what do you think the odds are that Meredith was wired when JY showed up at her house - JY was hiding in there after all while his Mum was toughing it out with the cops ? Maybe at the funeral as well since she was fliting over to the JY side ?

[pack_fan]

Well I sure am glad I went over to court tv tonight. I can now be certain that in fact Jy is not guilty. A kind poster from Brevard apparently says so......

Too bad we wasted our time on all of those theories about JY.

[Samiya]

"That immature male/female sounds very much like Rhett Fussell.....male, but seems to be very in touch with his feminine side...

Barney,

Do you know Rhett Fussell?

Sami

[scandi]

Hmmmm, Interesting thought Charlie about the possibility of LE wiring Meredith up.

Random thoughts:

* LE probably arrived at Young home around 1:45 or 2.
* They would take M and Cassidy aside and probably transport thenm down to hdqtrs, right, to take a statement and have Cassidy processed and checked due to the blood on her.
* Around 2 Harrison calls Mrs Young to give her the news about Michelle.
* Meanwhile MF would be allowed to call her mother.
* Probably 4 when this is finished.

Meanwhile LE talking in conference w/ Harrison back at hdqtrs. They will allow MF to take Cassidy back to her residence. They are back home by 4:30 - 5 and Cassidy and MF take a shower and then Cassidy gets a bubble bath and lays down cause she's tired. This givees MF a chance to talk to her mom again who is going to head down to Raleigh, and MF then calls several of MY's friends to tell them the news.

* Around 7-8 Harrison and his deputy knock on MF's door and come in to talk. They are about to call Mrs Young back and get a time scenario about TOArrival. They call from MF's living room and discover the Youngs are on their way and ask if JY is with them. He is. They tell them Cassidy is at MF's home and they can pick her up there. They figure the ETA of Young family party. Harrison tells MF to keep her phone open they will be in touch to give her plan for arrival of Youngs.

* Deputy stationed in car at a crucial point to watch for any action at MF residence, in view of it but not easily seen by anyone driving as it is darkl


Well, that leaves plenty of time for a scheme. They know JY is en route and approx time of arrival.

* #1 part of plan to snag SUV. Warrant served at 4am, can't remember what time they detained car and filed for warrant - was it 3am? It takes 5 hours to drive from Brevard. If they left around 9 they would make it around 3am, and reservations at a residence hotel for Youngs has been made by them already. So car detained at 3am ?, everyone leaves in 2nd car to go to hotel.

I see a problem here. Gojo stated LE called and the Youngs were on their way and LE asked if JY was with them, they said yes. If that is a 5+ hour trip and they arrived in Raleigh around 3am {off I'm sure ;}, the Sheriff would have to have called after 9pm to catch them driving on the road. Youngs had learned about the killing at approx 3 that afternoon, or a bit before, as JY arrived at P's home around 3 and P's already had the news. So I would think the
Sheriff would expect a quick turn around for the Young family to be on the road within the hour or so. If he waited to call the Youngs till 9, they might be right outside of Raleigh.

The warrant on the SUV was ordered about 12 hours+ after her body was discovered. Guess the time has some problems here as we don't have an arrival time. We need to know what time the Youngs arrived in town. And at what time did LE actually detain the car. Can we find that out? A public record of it?

So, would Harrison in conference with his top dog and the the LE admin. decide it was wise to wire up MF? Possibly. I'm just worried they were so wrapped up in getting everything done that they had to do after a murder like this that they didn't even think about it. ;{

This is pretty dumb, so I give you the right to laugh all you want!

[scandi]

I'll buy you a nice little battery powered neon sign mounted on a cap that says CTV if you'll go do it !:blowkiss: Too funny but for some reason I have this vision of you just marching right on over there like this:hand:

On a serious note, what do you think the odds are that Meredith was wired when JY showed up at her house - JY was hiding in there after all while his Mum was toughing it out with the cops ? Maybe at the funeral as well since she was fliting over to the JY side ?

Charlie, If it is true that Meredith and Michelle were not really close sisters, it could be that Meredith felt closer as a friend to Jy than to her sister. I think they had very different type personalities. So as family by marriage, I can see Meredith going over to talk to JY's family off and on before and after the funeral service. Even if her and her mom had already taken Cassidy's words to heart about Daddy did it, Meredith would still go stay hi to JY's sisters and mom and dad whom she had known for, well, 3 years anyway. IMHO

[raisincharlie]

Scandi,


From the warrant for the SUV the vehicle was being detained and Major Johnson arrived on 11/4 to look at the vehicle - this is when he saw what appeared to be blood droplets. This indicates to me that the vehicle arrived before Johnson. I think you have to allow for some time for this inspection, some time for Johnson to go back and write the warrant, and for him to wake up a magistrate to sign it. The warrant was signed at 0310 and served at 0400.

My quess is the Youngs and the SUV arrived most likely between 1100 and 1200 at the very latest - this assuming it would take Major Johnson a bit of time to get there once the vehicle was detained.

There is no way to tell for sure what time the SUV arrived but I don't think it would be as late as 0300 for all of the reasons above - that inspection to find those droplets took a bit of time.

[raisincharlie]

Charlie, If it is true that Meredith and Michelle were not really close sisters, it could be that Meredith felt closer as a friend to Jy than to her sister. I think they had very different type personalities. So as family by marriage, I can see Meredith going over to talk to JY's family off and on before and after the funeral service. Even if her and her mom had already taken Cassidy's words to heart about Daddy did it, Meredith would still go stay hi to JY's sisters and mom and dad whom she had known for, well, 3 years anyway. IMHO
Luv,

Why would Meredith move to North Carolina if she wasn't on pretty good terms with her sister ? A poster at CTV ohemgee reported that MF and MY were very close - I can't see why Meredith would move to NC if this were not the case. JMO of course

The only reason I can see for MF to go visit would be to keep the hope alive of being able to see Cassidy, not because she was on better terms with JY. I can see her doing that even if she believed JY killed MY - Cassidy was all that was left of Michelle sad to say. The other reason - wearing a wire - given that the NTO had already been filed - LE was pretty suspicious...

[scandi]

Scandi,


From the warrant for the SUV the vehicle was being detained and Major Johnson arrived on 11/4 to look at the vehicle - this is when he saw what appeared to be blood droplets. This indicates to me that the vehicle arrived before Johnson. I think you have to allow for some time for this inspection, some time for Johnson to go back and write the warrant, and for him to wake up a magistrate to sign it. The warrant was signed at 0310 and served at 0400.

My quess is the Youngs and the SUV arrived most likely between 1100 and 1200 at the very latest - this assuming it would take Major Johnson a bit of time to get there once the vehicle was detained.

There is no way to tell for sure what time the SUV arrived but I don't think it would be as late as 0300 for all of the reasons above - that inspection to find those droplets took a bit of time.


That makes sense Charlie. Do you think LE even thought about a wire? I know you don't have to go thru any legal hoops to put a wire on someone - all you need is a willing participant!

[scandi]

Luv,

Why would Meredith move to North Carolina if she wasn't on pretty good terms with her sister ? A poster at CTV ohemgee reported that MF and MY were very close - I can't see why Meredith would move to NC if this were not the case. JMO of course

The only reason I can see for MF to go visit would be to keep the hope alive of being able to see Cassidy, not because she was on better terms with JY. I can see her doing that even if she believed JY killed MY - Cassidy was all that was left of Michelle sad to say. The other reason - wearing a wire - given that the NTO had already been filed - LE was pretty suspicious...

It was one of those things I read really early in the case about them not being close. But I can see your point Charlie about how her thoughts revolved around Cassidy.

I so hope something is about to pop in this case. See you in the morning. Off to get my CSI Miami fix. LOL

[crimeq]

Nite Dominique ;} See you tomorrow. MmmmmmI can smell the brownies all the way over here. LOL

Barney said . .Originally Posted by Barney Fife
"That immature male/female sounds very much like Rhett Fussell.....male, but seems to be very in touch with his feminine side...

I laughed at that, but it could be true. That means he's posting from my home town, not too far away from me, right? :D If I were a bad girl I'd go wag my fingers at him thru his window and watch him jump out of his skin. :D :D Nah, I'd never do that, but he'd sure know we're on to him.

I think this could be a good call.
I have suspected Rhett Fussell as JTF for quite some time. It does explain the confusing male/female tones of JTF's posts, and if I may say so, without invoking stereotype for sport, a certain b**chyness. He'd be posting from Portland now but obviously could present as though still living in Raleigh. His posting style on his MySpace page is flip, poor capitalization/punctuation practices, but that may be a hip "easy" image he's trying to portray on his page. One would think with his two degrees that he can write grammatically and punctuate accurately and could post as JTF does, using full sentences, correct capitalization and correct punctuation overall and in general (my impression without having graded JTF's posts; I'm not an English teacher!).

[Bee Charmer]

Ah yes, such a dilemma, knowing which little "insider" to
believe. Has anybody kept a record of anything any of them has
told us that was unknown to the general public? The only post I
can recall is the one by Jane02 who was the very first to tell us of
the girlfriend of JY's in Florida, MM. It makes it very hard to discuss
the case, imo, with all the rumors flying around.

[raisincharlie]

Ah yes, such a dilemma, knowing which little "insider" to
believe. Has anybody kept a record of anything any of them has
told us that was unknown to the general public? The only post I
can recall is the one by Jane02 who was the very first to tell us of
the girlfriend of JY's in Florida, MM. It makes it very hard to discuss
the case, imo, with all the rumors flying around.
Good Morning Bee Charmer - doing okay ?

I don't find the rumors to be a problem. It's going to happen with every case. Some have truth to them some do not - I figure it is all part of sleuthing. Figuring out what piece fits where - the rumors just add more pieces, some fit, some don't - imagine how LE feels - they probably have heard every kind of rumor imaginable by now. What I got from last night is JY is a total puss and his Mom has the backbone, and thats about all, and that's all I'm buying from that windy.

What is more intriguing to me is how things shift - I still want to know why the so called physical part of the relationship with MM shifted from September to October - I quess to make it fit the story better is all I can tell. :crazy: :crazy:
You have to laugh at the silliness of it!

[pack_fan]

Very interesting how one person can come in and change the whole course of discussion. They add nothing to the conversation except to drop their agenda and take a hike. Can't seem to answer the questions that everyone has about meetings, hotels, time frames, anything of value.

So what's the burning question of the day? I for one am ready to get back to relevant discussions.

I have a question about the suv. What would be the standard procedure on this. The husband will always be scrutinized first so I would imagine they would have wanted to take a look at his suv regardless. Would LE have been able to seize the suv had they not found supicious spots on the door and back seat? Why would they have been looking inside the suv in the first place, would they have asked to search the vehicle or what? I'm a little confused about what was going on here....

[raisincharlie]

Very interesting how one person can come in and change the whole course of discussion. They add nothing to the conversation except to drop their agenda and take a hike. Can't seem to answer the questions that everyone has about meetings, hotels, time frames, anything of value.

So what's the burning question of the day? I for one am ready to get back to relevant discussions.

I have a question about the suv. What would be the standard procedure on this. The husband will always be scrutinized first so I would imagine they would have wanted to take a look at his suv regardless. Would LE have been able to seize the suv had they not found supicious spots on the door and back seat? Why would they have been looking inside the suv in the first place, would they have asked to search the vehicle or what? I'm a little confused about what was going on here....
pack_fan,

What was most likely going on is at first the vehicle was detained due strictly to the fact that Michelle was murdered. Considering what information LE had upon arrivng at the scene, which was pretty much limited to what Meredith knew - LE had no real information about where JY was or wasn't. The obvious reason for detaining JYs vehicle is actually found in Meredtih's 911 call - the fluke comment and that JY asked her to go over to the house.

It will be a given that all vehicles at the location to include Michelle's car and Meredith's would be searched. LE has the right to detain vehicles related to a death investigation until a warrant is obtained and proceed from there. IMO LE would have been able to get a warrant for JYs SUV without the droplets being present based solely on Meredith's statements that we know (and I would suggest that they had more information from her than what we know). Most investigations start from the inside and pan out. Jys SUV being impounded was a given regardless of the fact he was traveling.

[pack_fan]

pack_fan,

What was most likely going on is at first the vehicle was detained due strictly to the fact that Michelle was murdered. Considering what information LE had upon arrivng at the scene, which was pretty much limited to what Meredith knew - LE had no real information about where JY was or wasn't. The obvious reason for detaining JYs vehicle is actually found in Meredtih's 911 call - the fluke comment and that JY asked her to go over to the house.

It will be a given that all vehicles at the location to include Michelle's car and Meredith's would be searched. LE has the right to detain vehicles related to a death investigation until a warrant is obtained and proceed from there. IMO LE would have been able to get a warrant for JYs SUV without the droplets being present based solely on Meredith's statements that we know (and I would suggest that they had more information from her than what we know). Most investigations start from the inside and pan out. Jys SUV being impounded was a given regardless of the fact he was traveling.
Had to go back and look at the search warrant. The blood droplets are listed in the probable cause section of the search warrant so they were discovered BEFORE the warrant was served. I would not expect LE to be able to search the vehicle while it is detained and before getting the warrant. I guess I am wondering about the size of the droplet. Guess it is possible that it could have been seen from outside the vehicle but I think it would have been dark outside and difficult to see. Suv's typically have tinted windows in back. I don't know and don't want to speculate on the time they arrived back but early november, it would have gotten dark around 6:30 or so (just a guess) and I don't think the Youngs could have gotten back before dark if she wasn't found until after 1 pm.

[raisincharlie]

Had to go back and look at the search warrant. The blood droplets are listed in the probable cause section of the search warrant so they were discovered BEFORE the warrant was served. I would not expect LE to be able to search the vehicle while it is detained and before getting the warrant. I guess I am wondering about the size of the droplet. Guess it is possible that it could have been seen from outside the vehicle but I think it would have been dark outside and difficult to see. Suv's typically have tinted windows in back. I don't know and don't want to speculate on the time they arrived back but early november, it would have gotten dark around 6:30 or so (just a guess) and I don't think the Youngs could have gotten back before dark if she wasn't found until after 1 pm.
Not knowing NC law about vehicular searches I'm not sure how the droplet inside would have been found. If local law allows for such searches it is understandable that the droplet found on the outside of the vehicle warranted opening that particular door, thus finding the droplet inside. It is also possible LE asked permission to look inside after finding the droplet on the outside of the vehicle and permission was granted (which of course blows gojo out of the water).

Just reading the warrant - the vehicle was detained before Johnson arrived. You will note Johnson is noted to inspect the vehicle on 11/4 - so after midnight. I would expect Johnson arrived after being told the vehicle was there so estimating back based on time the time the warrant was signed until it was served I'm quessing the vehicle arrived between 11 and midnite.

[curious1]

Went over to the darkside, I mean CTV and tried reading for awhile. Gawd (yeah, I stole that, cannot remember from who, but it's my favorite saying right now ;)) some of those threads made my head hurt. I'll just stick with WS.


RC thanks for your insightful and knowledgeable contributions to WS.

[raisincharlie]

Went over to the darkside, I mean CTV and tried reading for awhile. Gawd some of those threads made my head hurt. I'll just stick with WS.


RC thanks for your insightful and knowledgeable contributions to WS.
Headaches happen :) Glad to add what I can when I can. I note you are from NC - do you know off the top of your head if LE is allowed to look inside one's vehicle if say one is pulled over ? I suspect but do not know this may be the case in NC - just cant look in the trunk? I can look it up but am being lazy by asking. TIA

[pack_fan]

Headaches happen :) Glad to add what I can when I can. I note you are from NC - do you know off the top of your head if LE is allowed to look inside one's vehicle if say one is pulled over ? I suspect but do not know this may be the case in NC - just cant look in the trunk? I can look it up but am being lazy by asking. TIA
If you are pulled over in nc, the officer can request to search the vehicle. You do not have to comply but they can detain you until a warrant is provided if there is probable cause.....

[raisincharlie]

If you are pulled over in nc, the officer can request to search the vehicle. You do not have to comply but they can detain you until a warrant is provided if there is probable cause.....
Thanks for that info - it indicates to me that more than likely Major Johnson asked permission before opening the driver's side back door of the SUV before finding the droplet on the seat or when he went to look at the vehicle the door was already open. Just my interpretation.

[curious1]

If you are pulled over in nc, the officer can request to search the vehicle. You do not have to comply but they can detain you until a warrant is provided if there is probable cause.....You are correct sir. And darn you pack_fan, someone asked a question that I actually knew the answer to and ya beat me to the punch. :razz: It was my chance to be insightful and knowledgable. Trust me those times don't roll around often. :D

[raisincharlie]

:laugh: :laugh:



You are correct sir. And darn you pack_fan, someone asked a question that I actually knew the answer to and ya beat me to the punch. :razz: It was my chance to be insightful and knowledgable. Trust me those times don't roll around often. :D
Well - confirmation and verification are always welcome - keeps us in line. I have always found your posts insightful and knowledgable so all is good - no headaches here ! :) ;)

[pack_fan]

You are correct sir. And darn you pack_fan, someone asked a question that I actually knew the answer to and ya beat me to the punch. :razz: It was my chance to be insightful and knowledgable. Trust me those times don't roll around often. :D
I couldn't miss out on the opportunity, so sorry. It is also very few and far between moments that I am able to post without being criticized unmercifully.

Usually this is me :truce:. My white flag is used so extensively, I will be out shopping for a replacement this weekend. I'm not sure the current one will last through the end of this case at this rate.

Curious1, (sssshhhh.... I'll let you have the credit for this one), sent me a pm and gave me the information about the searches. I felt guilty about taking the credit for my obvious lack of knowledge. Sorry for the mix-up.

[scandi]

Hi, I just located this post of yours Charlie that specifies that the trip to Fl was in Sept and the trip to Denver was in Oct. I don't know why they are giving wrong info now at CTV:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45244&page=2&pp=25&highlight=denver+trip

Snippet
" . . The first warrant dated 11/03/06 ;

It is noted that a confirmation for the Hampton Inn reservation (9/5 - 9/8 2006) was confiscated

The leap - this is when JY went to Florida. The date is consistent with the 3 month relationship with MM. The warrant does not reflect the location of the Hampton (whereas the Adams Mark is noted as Denver) so I am thinking the location of the Hampton was left out as this trip and hotel was related to the relationship.


Confirmed confiscation of Us Airways info and a United Airlines receipt to Denver on 10/9/06. Also confiscated was a United "ticket" for JY - no date specified. Upon checking United's website - there are direct flights from Raleigh to Orlando MCO - not even expensive actually."

[Barney Fife]

Barney,

Do you know Rhett Fussell?

Sami

No indeed. I'm not homophobic, but I think his "troll" web page is repulsive.

[raisincharlie]

Hi, I just located this post of yours Charlie that specifies that the trip to Fl was in Sept and the trip to Denver was in Oct. I don't know why they are giving wrong info now at CTV:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45244&page=2&pp=25&highlight=denver+trip

Snippet
" . . The first warrant dated 11/03/06 ;

It is noted that a confirmation for the Hampton Inn reservation (9/5 - 9/8 2006) was confiscated

The leap - this is when JY went to Florida. The date is consistent with the 3 month relationship with MM. The warrant does not reflect the location of the Hampton (whereas the Adams Mark is noted as Denver) so I am thinking the location of the Hampton was left out as this trip and hotel was related to the relationship.


Confirmed confiscation of Us Airways info and a United Airlines receipt to Denver on 10/9/06. Also confiscated was a United "ticket" for JY - no date specified. Upon checking United's website - there are direct flights from Raleigh to Orlando MCO - not even expensive actually."
Scandi,

Well sweets that is exactly why I was questioning the time frame change because RPD was the one to indicate there was at least one physical encounter between the two and it occurred in September. I am wondering why now RPD is stating it was in October which is why I questioned him specifically. I got no response. The insiders want credibility - demand it in some cases, and then they change the tune and wonder why they are questioned.

For me this doesn't matter, especially not when. What I know is - LE had the goods to put it in a warrant - that is good enough for me and all I really need to know about it.

[Barney Fife]

Scandi,

Well sweets that is exactly why I was questioning the time frame change because RPD was the one to indicate there was at least one physical encounter between the two and it occurred in September. I am wondering why now RPD is stating it was in October which is why I questioned him specifically. I got no response. The insiders want credibility - demand it in some cases, and then they change the tune and wonder why they are questioned.

For me this doesn't matter, especially not when. What I know is - LE had the goods to put it in a warrant - that is good enough for me and all I really need to know about it.
Ok, I can speak for RPD on this one. The first "emotional encounter" was September before the BC game at the Young's house. MM (after wine) confessed to some marriage issues and JY jumped at the chance to "help her"....calling daily and setting up a romance. He finally convinced her to see him in Florida sometime in OCTOBER , as Steve was to be out of town. My guess is she called in sick for her teacher gig one night and met JY at the Hampton Inn near Orlando or maybe even the house if the baby was with Steve. This info comes from my SS friend that knows these details....

[curious1]

:laugh: :laugh:




Well - confirmation and verification are always welcome - keeps us in line. I have always found your posts insightful and knowledgable so all is good - no headaches here ! :) ;)
Why thank you RC. :blushing: Hee, RC complimented me....skips off like a giddy school girl.

[curious1]

:laugh: :laugh:
snip....Curious1, (sssshhhh.... I'll let you have the credit for this one), sent me a pm and gave me the information about the searches. I felt guilty about taking the credit for my obvious lack of knowledge. Sorry for the mix-up.
Just for that I'll over look the fact that you are a Pack Fan. :D

[raisincharlie]

Ok, I can speak for RPD on this one. The first "emotional encounter" was September before the BC game at the Young's house. MM (after wine) confessed to some marriage issues and JY jumped at the chance to "help her"....calling daily and setting up a romance. He finally convinced her to see him in Florida sometime in OCTOBER , as Steve was to be out of town. My guess is she called in sick for her teacher gig one night and met JY at the Hampton Inn near Orlando or maybe even the house if the baby was with Steve. This info comes from my SS friend that knows these details....
You certainly mislead many then by using the word "consumated" in respect to the September encounter which you also indicated happened only once. So now it is October. Okay, things change. I would be very surprised if Michelle Young didn't figure out something was going on somewhere for JY because it sure looks like he was too busy in October to bother with being home.

[curious1]

Hi, I just located this post of yours Charlie that specifies that the trip to Fl was in Sept and the trip to Denver was in Oct. I don't know why they are giving wrong info now at CTV:
There's your answer. ;)

[Barney Fife]

You certainly mislead many then by using the word "consumated" in respect to the September encounter which you also indicated happened only once. So now it is October. Okay, things change. I would be very surprised if Michelle Young didn't figure out something was going on somewhere for JY because it sure looks like he was too busy in October to bother with being home.
Since I have not kept a notebook like many, I can't say one way or another about that statement. If I said September as "physical" in a post, it must have been late. When I learned this info, the story was always September for the "emotional connection" and the one trip to Florida in October for the sex. If I said otherwise, I am sorry to mislead.

[raisincharlie]

Since I have not kept a notebook like many, I can't say one way or another about that statement. If I said September as "physical" in a post, it must have been late. When I learned this info, the story was always September for the "emotional connection" and the one trip to Florida in October for the sex. If I said otherwise, I am sorry to mislead.
No problem here. I don't have a notebook either, just a very good eye for details which I seldom forget. Thanks for the explanation, nothing else needed for me as I realize things change. I wonder though why LE said this was for three months instead of two ? Any ideas ?

[Bee Charmer]

Good Morning Bee Charmer - doing okay ?

I don't find the rumors to be a problem. It's going to happen with every case. Some have truth to them some do not - I figure it is all part of sleuthing. Figuring out what piece fits where - the rumors just add more pieces, some fit, some don't - imagine how LE feels - they probably have heard every kind of rumor imaginable by now. What I got from last night is JY is a total puss and his Mom has the backbone, and thats about all, and that's all I'm buying from that windy.

What is more intriguing to me is how things shift - I still want to know why the so called physical part of the relationship with MM shifted from September to October - I quess to make it fit the story better is all I can tell. :crazy: :crazy:
You have to laugh at the silliness of it!
Yep, I laugh at the silliness of it all, but also at your term: "that windy".....going right into my lexicon. :dance:

I don't know what to think about last night's posts. But, I agree if there is any truth to JY hiding in the house and allowing his family to deal with LE then he is a world class puss. If and when this gets to trial, I hope we don't find that we have an ironing board swiping, deny, deny, deny, we want those, type of Mother involved.

Hope you and yours are dealing with the weather okay.

[panthera]

Thanks for that info - it indicates to me that more than likely Major Johnson asked permission before opening the driver's side back door of the SUV before finding the droplet on the seat or when he went to look at the vehicle the door was already open. Just my interpretation.It would seem that the 'droplet' was first seen on the exterior which would lead LE to search the interior, or as you said if the door was already open they could search as it would be 'in plain sight'.

[Barney Fife]

No problem here. I don't have a notebook either, just a very good eye for details which I seldom forget. Thanks for the explanation, nothing else needed for me as I realize things change. I wonder though why LE said this was for three months instead of two ? Any ideas ?Great question and I asked my friend this early on. She could only speculate "calendar months of Sep, Oct and Nov" ? Or, LE could have picked up some e-mails to MM and the "group" back in August. I understand the group stayed in regular contact via e-mail chatting.

[raisincharlie]

Yep, I laugh at the silliness of it all, but also at your term: "that windy".....going right into my lexicon. :dance:

I don't know what to think about last night's posts. But, I agree if there is any truth to JY hiding in the house and allowing his family to deal with LE then he is a world class puss. If and when this gets to trial, I hope we don't find that we have an ironing board swiping, deny, deny, deny, we want those, type of Mother involved.

Hope you and yours are dealing with the weather okay.
Bee Charmer,

I don't think we are having the extreme cold here that you are having. Its been pretty normal here as far as temp goes - just gray and cloudy - no sun.

What I think about last nights posts is "windy" fits well. Too many points that do not match. i.e. why would JYs Mom call Raleigh PD - the case was being handled by WCSO - why would she call anyone in LE at all for that matter? Second the so called LE aggression doesn't match up if you look at the warrant for the SUV - either that was a huge droplet of something that looked like blood sitting on the seat of that SUV or someone gave permission to LE to look inside the vehicle. It also does not match up with Major Johnson's public comment - which could be used in court. The author may well have heard some things and human nature being what it is, the story ended up being what it was. Of course, this windy idea is just an opinion:D

[scandi]

Hmmm With so few details known in this case we want to make sure they are accurate. In Charlie's well researched post I linked above, he made a leap saying the Hampton Hotel reservation Sept 5-8th was for Fl and the Denver trip is well established having a date of Oct 9th. And he points out this date could correspond to the beginning of the new 'daily contact' realtionship of 3 months.

So Barney, that would mean in Oct Jy made two trips, one to Denver on the 9th and then your new info about a trip to Fl. It might mean nothing, but LE thought it merited confiscating the documentation about these trips, and at trial you never know. One little detail about this could end up being very important in the case.

For someone who often speculates about things, I really do appreciate having facts. That is what really matters. I think if one speculates, they might think of something that should be investigated which might end up proving a fact. All good ;}

[raisincharlie]

Great question and I asked my friend this early on. She could only speculate "calendar months of Sep, Oct and Nov" ? Or, LE could have picked up some e-mails to MM and the "group" back in August. I understand the group stayed in regular contact via e-mail chatting.I think I'd be a bit more inclined to think August as the events of November 2nd into the 3rd probably put a stop to conversations as LE had Jasons phones and computers. I don't find it a key point as it seems upon thinking about it, this was no full blown affair that would actually be motivating, perhaps indiscretion is more appropriate. I think it is a bit blown out of proportion in the full scheme of things. JMO

[raisincharlie]

Why thank you RC. :blushing: Hee, RC complimented me....skips off like a giddy school girl.

Now you are really inflating my ego ! ;)

[Barney Fife]

Hmmm With so few details known in this case we want to make sure they are accurate. In Charlie's well researched post I linked above, he made a leap saying the Hampton Hotel reservation Sept 5-8th was for Fl and the Denver trip is well established having a date of Oct 9th. And he points out this date could correspond to the beginning of the new 'daily contact' realtionship of 3 months.

So Barney, that would mean in Oct Jy made two trips, one to Denver on the 9th and then your new info about a trip to Fl. It might mean nothing, but LE thought it merited confiscating the documentation about these trips, and at trial you never know. One little detail about this could end up being very important in the case.

For someone who often speculates about things, I really do appreciate having facts. That is what really matters. I think if one speculates, they might think of something that should be investigated which might end up proving a fact. All good ;}
Scandi

September 5-8 is LABOR DAY week. I think it would be very difficult for both JY and MM to break away from being a spouse and parent during a long holiday week.

I was told he indeed did fly to Florida in October. My guess is this ticket receipt was not laying around his car or desk since it was obviously kept from MY. Unless MM lied to her friends, she did not meet JY in Denver on any date.

[raisincharlie]

I believe it will come out that JY was in Winter Haven Fl on Septmeber 5 - 8.

[Barney Fife]

This is my CTV post 12-13-06 6:53 pm
===============================================

I know it sounds unususal, but the group(male and female) sent e-mails amog each other on a regular basis. Again, they were all very good friends.

I understand that they "connected" emotionally during this september football weekend and the calls and e-mails were constant until October when he went to her home. She told her friends that JY pushed to come down, as she was not very keen on it....again, this is what she told her friends at the spa weekend so who knows if it was totally accurate. Not sure she really"splilled her guts" ???

[Barney Fife]

I believe it will come out that JY was in Winter Haven Fl on Septmeber 5 - 8.

I wonder which Regional Office JY reported to ? I would think he would travel to this report office for meetings occationally

The Winterhaven Florida location is 650 miles from Raleigh, while the Jessup Md office is 300 miles. It could very well be that the Florida office handles all of the southern states ? However, since there is also a NJ regional office, sounds like Maryland would have Va and NC, as it falls into a geographical area much nicer.
I may e-mail them and ask the report location, since the NC job is still posted.

[jilly]

I don't find the rumors to be a problem. It's going to happen with every case. Some have truth to them some do not - I figure it is all part of sleuthing. Figuring out what piece fits where - the rumors just add more pieces, some fit, some don't - imagine how LE feels - they probably have heard every kind of rumor imaginable by now. What I got from last night is JY is a total puss and his Mom has the backbone, and thats about all, and that's all I'm buying from that windy.



I don't find the rumors to be a problem either - especially at this point with nothing happening. You're right it's kind of neat trying to figure it out.

Years ago I was an active poster at CTV with SP (before I found WS). If I remember correctly SP and some of his family posted a few times which kept it interesting but then the trolls who came out of the woodwork actually ruined it. Some really good posters (Miss Crabapple comes to mind) were banned & rebanned. I don't see the trolls here this time but I suspect if there's ever an arrest they'll be invading.

So this is quite entertaining - at least while there is a lull.

So has Gojo gone? I was hoping that one of the posters who claims to have friends of MM would have been able to quash his revelation about MM being pregnant. She did apparently call her friends who said they knew nothing about it but I was hoping that at least one of them would call MM and find out!!! I thought they were supposed to be good friends??? :rolleyes:

[Barney Fife]

I don't find the rumors to be a problem either - especially at this point with nothing happening. You're right it's kind of neat trying to figure it out.

Years ago I was an active poster at CTV with SP (before I found WS). If I remember correctly SP and some of his family posted a few times which kept it interesting but then the trolls who came out of the woodwork actually ruined it. Some really good posters (Miss Crabapple comes to mind) were banned & rebanned. I don't see the trolls here this time but I suspect if there's ever an arrest they'll be invading.

So this is quite entertaining - at least while there is a lull.

So has Gojo gone? I was hoping that one of the posters who claims to have friends of MM would have been able to quash his revelation about MM being pregnant. She did apparently call her friends who said they knew nothing about it but I was hoping that at least one of them would call MM and find out!!! I thought they were supposed to be good friends??? :rolleyes:
Sorsista @ CTV confirmed thru close friends she is indeed pregnant with her husband's baby. She is excited and wants to move on from this circus.

[jilly]

Sorsista @ CTV confirmed thru close friends she is indeed pregnant with her husband's baby. She is excited and wants to move on from this circus.

Ohhhhhh! :clap: Thanks very much Barney for telling me! I haven't been over there yet today!

My goodness, this sheds a new light on Gojo then!

[Barney Fife]

Ohhhhhh! :clap: Thanks very much Barney for telling me! I haven't been over there yet today!

My goodness, this sheds a new light on Gojo then!

Makes me wonder who gojo really is ? How would he know these very private details about MM at this point ?? After all this is JY's friend from Brevard.

[raisincharlie]

Makes me wonder who gojo really is ? How would he know these very private details about MM at this point ?? After all this is JY's friend from Brevard.
Actually, I thought you made a good case for Fussell last night. Then seeing gojo's comment about wishing they were the reincarnation of Just the Facts really made me wonder if you hadn't stumbled across it for real.

[5bigfish5]

Makes me wonder who gojo really is ? How would he know these very private details about MM at this point ?? After all this is JY's friend from Brevard.

Hi "Fife",

Remember me,

I'm either the "5----5" OR the "5-------5" in your life. Confused? President of your Fan Club ring a bell. LOL!

Truthfully, I read Gojo as female. Can't wrap my brain around a "male" trying to pass as a female either.

What makes you or anyone else peg "gojo" as male?

Just Curious.

TIA!

[Jess]

Updated: 11 minutes ago
Durham — Police investigators spent the past week in Salt Lake City working with the FBI on a nearly 2-year-old unsolved homicide case involving a pregnant Durham mother.

Investigators would not say much about their work in Utah but said an FBI agent interviewed Raven Abaroa on Thursday.

He moved to Utah shortly after his wife, Janet, was killed in April 2005. The 25-year-old was found stabbed to death in a bedroom of her west Durham home.

Janet Abaroa was pregnant with her second child when she died. The couple's 6-month-old son was found unharmed nearby.

I didn't know where else to put this. LE is still working on this case 22 months after the murder !

oops -- forgot the link !!

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1198742/Updated: 11 minutes ago

[scandi]

Thanks Jess, That is wonderful news! Sami started a thread here comparing Michelle, Laci and Janet's murders. They talked a lot about Janet there, and it would be a great place to put the link.


Well, yes it a deep subject :D I've been thinking we know really a lot about the players in the case now, the kind of things they did and how they lived their lives.

One thing we haven't really talked much about is whether or not premeditation was a factor in this whole scenario that lies before us, if indeed JY did kill Michelle.

With Scott we had it worked out to almost the hour that he decided to get rid of Laci. I'd like to see if there are any thoughts on this. It isn't time yet for a thread of its own as there has not been an arrest.

[raisincharlie]

Sami,


An interesting read at CTV - Hawthorn's thread Autopsy - What's Missing. You prbably have figured this all out by now but it is an interesting read and more of what I expected.

I think a very sanitized version was issued for public consumption.

[BarnGoddess]

Updated: 11 minutes ago
Durham — Police investigators spent the past week in Salt Lake City working with the FBI on a nearly 2-year-old unsolved homicide case involving a pregnant Durham mother.

Investigators would not say much about their work in Utah but said an FBI agent interviewed Raven Abaroa on Thursday.

He moved to Utah shortly after his wife, Janet, was killed in April 2005. The 25-year-old was found stabbed to death in a bedroom of her west Durham home.

Janet Abaroa was pregnant with her second child when she died. The couple's 6-month-old son was found unharmed nearby.

I didn't know where else to put this. LE is still working on this case 22 months after the murder !

oops -- forgot the link !!

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1198742/Updated: 11 minutes ago
Excellent news. I also follow this forum. Thanks Jess. Let's hope we can solve MY's case a lot quicker.

[jilly]

Makes me wonder who gojo really is? How would he know these very private details about MM at this point ?? After all this is JY's friend from Brevard.

No kidding. Yes - how would s/he know? This isn't usually something pregnant couples like to broadcast when they are "barely" pregnant. I have no clue which friend this is - speaking of which - how many friends do these people have??

[crimeq]

No kidding. Yes - how would s/he know? This isn't usually something pregnant couples like to broadcast when they are "barely" pregnant. I have no clue which friend this is - speaking of which - how many friends do these people have??
Possibly MM and JY still have some contact, and MM told JY, who then told Gojo. If so, Gojo is close to JY, I would think.

[jilly]

Possibly MM and JY still have some contact, and MM told JY, who then told Gojo. If so, Gojo is close to JY, I would think.

That's what I initially thought too but I think an "insider" told us that there's been no contact between them since the funeral. Can't remember how this was phrased exactly - do you?

I do agree - gojo is close to JY.

[Bobbisangel]

I would love to know what LE has on this case. Do they think that Jason murdered Michelle? Do they have any kind of evidence? Anything that they sent to a lab should be back by now I would think. There had to be some evidence in that house. I suppose it is a problem when the accused lives in the house too. Much different then when it is a stranger that commits the murder. I would also think that LE has checked out every single thing that Jason told them. If he has a solid alibi then LE should be able to follow his travels...where he stayed...his meeting...and should be able to account for where he was that whole time.

It is so frustrating when it seems that nothing is happening. I believe that Jason murdered Michelle. Him calling his sister-in-law and asking her to go over to the house and pick up a fax is so bogus. I believe that he wanted to make sure that Michelle's body was found and that someone took the baby out of there after the poor little thing had been there all night and day with her mother's body. If he is the killer I hope and pray that he doesn't get away with it.

[jilly]

RC Read your post over at CTV about JY wasting time in Duffied. Very good! Makes perfect sense.

I'm wondering why though JY wouldn't just keep phoning MF. Do you suppose he thought that by simply checking voice mails one cannot be tracked? Big mistake on his part if this is so.

I just get so sick thinking about this. Darn rights he couldn't show up at his parents until he knew Meredith got to the house. He must have been in quite a state. She must have left him a message letting him know when she would be going there. This was sooo planned.

[jilly]

I would love to know what LE has on this case. Do they think that Jason murdered Michelle? Do they have any kind of evidence? Anything that they sent to a lab should be back by now I would think. There had to be some evidence in that house. I suppose it is a problem when the accused lives in the house too. Much different then when it is a stranger that commits the murder. I would also think that LE has checked out every single thing that Jason told them. If he has a solid alibi then LE should be able to follow his travels...where he stayed...his meeting...and should be able to account for where he was that whole time.

It is so frustrating when it seems that nothing is happening. I believe that Jason murdered Michelle. Him calling his sister-in-law and asking her to go over to the house and pick up a fax is so bogus. I believe that he wanted to make sure that Michelle's body was found and that someone took the baby out of there after the poor little thing had been there all night and day with her mother's body. If he is the killer I hope and pray that he doesn't get away with it.

It is frustrating and we don't know what LE has. A perfect crime couldn't be this simple, could it?

It doesn't appear that he has a solid alibi. LE has said "we know he was at certain places at certain times". Big deal. JY can't prove that he slept in that hotel bed and of course he doesn't have to. I'm just hoping there is surveillance tape of his activity.

What upsets me too is that not only did he arrange for Meredith to find her sister dead but it now appears he wants to put the blame on her for the murder. Unbelievable.

[raisincharlie]

RC Read your post over at CTV about JY wasting time in Duffied. Very good! Makes perfect sense.

I'm wondering why though JY wouldn't just keep phoning MF. Do you suppose he thought that by simply checking voice mails one cannot be tracked? Big mistake on his part if this is so.

I just get so sick thinking about this. Darn rights he couldn't show up at his parents until he knew Meredith got to the house. He must have been in quite a state. She must have left him a message letting him know when she would be going there. This was sooo planned.Jilly,

You know - seriously I really can't reach a conclusion about whether this was planned or not. Depends on what day we talk, maybe even what hour. Let me drop a thought here because I have really studied on some aspects of this case as some points make me nuts. This is nothing more than PURE SPECULATION but...

First one is why did LE go back and check into the accident in May ?

Having brainwaves here. Thinking that somehow the accident in May was indeed tied into this murder in a fashion. Having read Scout's blog about the disgusting ring swallowing event and then watching other posters comments that JY was a prankster - what if he was messing around playing while driving and the accident occurred as a result ?

Michelle would have been tremendously upset first by the accident and second a few weeks later by the loss of the baby. What if she just really let JY have it over this and refused to forgive it to a certain extent. True she got pregnant very quickly after but then JY changed jobs. Seems to me this accident may have been a divisive point in the marriage if nothing else. (Also makes me wonder if Michelle didn't talk about this with her sister and Mom which is a later point to discuss - but what Michelle's family knew may be why LE revisited this accident)

3 months before Michelle's murder, JY makes a change of jobs which supposedly keeps him away from home 3 to 4 days per week. Had been with previous employer for a rumored 7 years. This job change gives him a chance to withdraw from married life to an extent. ALso 3 months before her murder JY starts this pursuit of MM. Perhaps Michelle noticed some changes and figured something was up (all indications are that the relationship with MM was not the first time JY fooled around on Michelle) and talked or attempted to talk to JY about it ? Jy was known to have been gone almost a week in September, almost a week in October during the time period that would have been their anniversary and now RPD is claiming the physical affair was in October - JY wasn't home much in October if this is true. Scandi may well be right on the money that Michelle figured it out, maybe the who, maybe not. Maybe Michelle did indeed tell him to hit the road and she would keep Cassidy - maybe this pushed him over the edge. The baby was left unharmed - the killer cared about the baby. Just a few thoughts. Have more about what MF and LF knew and why they may have suspected JY from the very begining.

Okay, tell me I'm crazy and to re-think...:D

RC

[Samiya]

RC,


I did read Hawthorn's post about the AR.

I'll add my bit when I've gone through it :)

Sami

[pack_fan]

Jilly,

You know - seriously I really can't reach a conclusion about whether this was planned or not. Depends on what day we talk, maybe even what hour. Let me drop a thought here because I have really studied on some aspects of this case as some points make me nuts. This is nothing more than PURE SPECULATION but...

First one is why did LE go back and check into the accident in May ?

Having brainwaves here. Thinking that somehow the accident in May was indeed tied into this murder in a fashion. Having read Scout's blog about the disgusting ring swallowing event and then watching other posters comments that JY was a prankster - what if he was messing around playing while driving and the accident occurred as a result ?

Michelle would have been tremendously upset first by the accident and second a few weeks later by the loss of the baby. What if she just really let JY have it over this and refused to forgive it to a certain extent. True she got pregnant very quickly after but then JY changed jobs. Seems to me this accident may have been a divisive point in the marriage if nothing else. (Also makes me wonder if Michelle didn't talk about this with her sister and Mom which is a later point to discuss - but what Michelle's family knew may be why LE revisited this accident)

3 months before Michelle's murder, JY makes a change of jobs which supposedly keeps him away from home 3 to 4 days per week. Had been with previous employer for a rumored 7 years. This job change gives him a chance to withdraw from married life to an extent. ALso 3 months before her murder JY starts this pursuit of MM. Perhaps Michelle noticed some changes and figured something was up (all indications are that the relationship with MM was not the first time JY fooled around on Michelle) and talked or attempted to talk to JY about it ? Jy was known to have been gone almost a week in September, almost a week in October during the time period that would have been their anniversary and now RPD is claiming the physical affair was in October - JY wasn't home much in October if this is true. Scandi may well be right on the money that Michelle figured it out, maybe the who, maybe not. Maybe Michelle did indeed tell him to hit the road and she would keep Cassidy - maybe this pushed him over the edge. The baby was left unharmed - the killer cared about the baby. Just a few thoughts. Have more about what MF and LF knew and why they may have suspected JY from the very begining.

Okay, tell me I'm crazy and to re-think...:D

RC
Well let me go crazy with you for a few moments......

There IS a reason, imo, that this accident was looked at again. I don't think that LE would go back and check JY's driving record as part of a murder investigation so....... someone brought it to their attention (jmo, moo, imo, etc.)

I don't know anything factual about the relationship between MF and MY but I don't think they were that close. I would suspect that it worked out to be a good situation on both sides since MY got someone to watch Cassidy and MF got to get away from home and start her own life away from the nest. I don't see them being best of friends but that too is jmo.

On the other hand, I think MY and her mother were very close and Michelle could have shared lots of information with her, possibly more than she would have shared with friends. What I do know is this, LE immediately made accusations to friends of JY and MY in interviews the week of the funeral. Someone put them on that track imo. I doubt that LF and JY had the best of relationships and I suspect it was because of things that LF and MY had discussed.

Just a side note but I have seen horrible tragedies such as this one bring people closer together. Family members who didn't have the best of relationships can move along and grieve with one another since both sides loved the victim very much and put aside their differences for the common good of finding the killer. Not the case here at all. Immediately both sides went to their corner and drew the line down the middle.

Just an opinion, and a poor one at that.......

[raisincharlie]

Well let me go crazy with you for a few moments......

There IS a reason, imo, that this accident was looked at again. I don't think that LE would go back and check JY's driving record as part of a murder investigation so....... someone brought it to their attention (jmo, moo, imo, etc.)

I don't know anything factual about the relationship between MF and MY but I don't think they were that close. I would suspect that it worked out to be a good situation on both sides since MY got someone to watch Cassidy and MF got to get away from home and start her own life away from the nest. I don't see them being best of friends but that too is jmo.

On the other hand, I think MY and her mother were very close and Michelle could have shared lots of information with her, possibly more than she would have shared with friends. What I do know is this, LE immediately made accusations to friends of JY and MY in interviews the week of the funeral. Someone put them on that track imo. I doubt that LF and JY had the best of relationships and I suspect it was because of things that LF and MY had discussed.

Just a side note but I have seen horrible tragedies such as this one bring people closer together. Family members who didn't have the best of relationships can move along and grieve with one another since both sides loved the victim very much and put aside their differences for the common good of finding the killer. Not the case here at all. Immediately both sides went to their corner and drew the line down the middle.

Just an opinion, and a poor one at that.......
I don't think this is a poor opinion at all - it may well be spot on. I agree tragedies can bring people together and I will also agree the battle lines were clearly drawn. All one has to do is watch the footage that WRAL posted to form the opinion that there was considerable distance, no matter what side of the fence one is on.

I also agree, this accident was pointed out to LE, it wasn't something LE was searching for, too many other things to look for than driving records. What that tells me is yes someone viewed that accident as, at minimum, a preventable accident. Who that came from is up in the air but back to the distance 1 + 1 = 2 in my brain.

As to the accusations of JY by LE in interviews, basic tactic when they suspect someone but I do think as the interviews continued some accusations may have been confirmed, some dispelled, and others may have arisen which were used in later interviews. I imagine questions were raised about this accident as well - just my opinion on that, but I strongly believe there is a connection between the accident and later events. Thanks for the thoughts.

[crimeq]

That's what I initially thought too but I think an "insider" told us that there's been no contact between them since the funeral. Can't remember how this was phrased exactly - do you?

I do agree - gojo is close to JY.
Of course the insider may not know. I don't know if they would be stupid enough to call or email, but there is still snail mail -- also possible somone else told JY. I'm sure he's not completely out of the loop of "friends". If two of his friends met him at MF's when he arrived with his parents, it's likely he's still in contact with some of his old gang.

[raisincharlie]

Of course the insider may not know. I don't know if they would be stupid enough to call or email, but there is still snail mail -- also possible somone else told JY. I'm sure he's not completely out of the loop of "friends". If two of his friends met him at MF's when he arrived with his parents, it's likely he's still in contact with some of his old gang.Crimeq,

I'm not quite buying the two friends waiting at Meredith's house, maybe two police officers, but not two friends unless they were waiting in a parked car outside and being watched at a minimum by LE. Given the short time span after finding the body I suspect LE would have kept Meredith quite seperate from others until they were pretty well done with interviewing her - integrity of the investigation and the witness is rather important, not to mention the matter of both MF and Cassidy's safety. Just a thought.

[Barney Fife]

gojo is on CTV talking about rereading "silence of the Lambs". This character is quite a case indeed. I guess he wants us to assume he is RF with his cryptic clues.....geez

[jilly]

Jilly,

Okay, tell me I'm crazy and to re-think...:D

RC

No. Not gonna do that. You've got more energy than me on this case right now and I appreciate all your thoughts. I'm starting to wear down. Don't know what to think anymore.

[jilly]

gojo is on CTV talking about rereading "silence of the Lambs". This character is quite a case indeed. I guess he wants us to assume he is RF with his cryptic clues.....geez

Imo - he threw that scrap out about MM being pregnant to gain credibility. Now that he has it - he's toying - thinks he's smarter than everyone. Only a smart a$$ imo.

By the way Barney - see you spent the nite at the Hampton. Did you look for security cameras at all - front entrance & exits?

[Barney Fife]

IMO -
By the way Barney - see you spent the nite at the Hampton. Did you look for security cameras at all - front entrance & exits?Jilly

Many of the Hampton Inn's are Franchise owned. I know I have stayed in the 'nicer' ones that had cameras. I also know I have stayed in some that did not.

If JY premeditated this and drove back, I would guess he chose one with no cameras and had plenty of cash for a gas stop.

[jilly]

Jilly

Many of the Hampton Inn's are Franchise owned. I know I have stayed in the 'nicer' ones that had cameras. I also know I have stayed in some that did not.

If JY premeditated this and drove back, I would guess he chose one with no cameras and had plenty of cash for a gas stop.

I would say that's a good guess. Thanks for responding.

[raisincharlie]

gojo is on CTV talking about rereading "silence of the Lambs". This character is quite a case indeed. I guess he wants us to assume he is RF with his cryptic clues.....geez
I'm thinking sooner or later he will end up trying to lead the flock to the same point JTF made - it was Meredith. For some reason the JY supporters have a real problem with Meredith. I'm wondering what it is that she must obviously know, and they know she knows, that threatens them so much. :cool:

[raisincharlie]

[QUOTE=jilly]Imo - he threw that scrap out about MM being pregnant to gain credibility. Now that he has it - he's toying - thinks he's smarter than everyone. Only a smart a$$ imo.

<snip>

QUOTE]

I don't think they live in Brevard and I think there is little difference between gojo and JTF - just a calmer approach as the angry cryptic one wasn't making a difference. Now you have the calmer playful cryptic one, thats all. Toying ? - that's what they have been doing from the begining IMO although they obviously have a vested interest.

[Barney Fife]

[QUOTE=Jilly]IMO - he threw that scrap out about MM being pregnant to gain credibility. Now that he has it - he's toying - thinks he's smarter than everyone. Only a smart a$$ IMO.

<snip>

QUOTE]

I don't think they live in Bereaved and I think there is little difference between goo and JD - just a calmer approach as the angry cryptic one wasn't making a difference. Now you have the calmer playful cryptic one, thats all. Toying ? - that's what they have been doing from the beginning IMO although they obviously have a vested interest.
Yep....Brevard, computer non-savvy, male. Sick humor for someone that is very close to JY. Wait a minute ! Sounds more and more like the JY that swallowed the ring...a sick puppy indeed.

[fran]

I haven't been following this case for awhile as LE seems to be doing nothing or is incognito in their investigation. Please excuse me if this has already been discussed. I know there's a thread about the autopsy, but it's soooo loonggg.

I just read a copy of the autopsy report and it said there was a bag with several of her missing teeth. So, it's understandable, IMO, that they may have missed one. I remember how appalled everyone was when we found out her family found one on the floor in the bedroom. I guess they just missed one.

The report also says she has bruising around the neck as 'strangulation' marks. So, when was she strangled? Before she was beat to a pulp, or after? and the beating was to hide the strangulation or to be sure the job was done?

IMHO, Jason is still good for this one.

Sorry to hit and run but my time here is limited. Hope LE solves this case!

JMHO
fran

Oh, and PS.........IF the hair found in her hand belonged to Jason, don't you think that in itself would be enough to arrest him for probably cause? Or am I just jumping the gun here? fran

[Barney Fife]

I haven't been following this case for awhile as LE seems to be doing nothing or is incognito in their investigation. Please excuse me if this has already been discussed. I know there's a thread about the autopsy, but it's soooo loonggg.

I just read a copy of the autopsy report and it said there was a bag with several of her missing teeth. So, it's understandable, IMO, that they may have missed one. I remember how appalled everyone was when we found out her family found one on the floor in the bedroom. I guess they just missed one.

The report also says she has bruising around the neck as 'strangulation' marks. So, when was she strangled? Before she was beat to a pulp, or after? and the beating was to hide the strangulation or to be sure the job was done?

IMHO, Jason is still good for this one.

Sorry to hit and run but my time here is limited. Hope LE solves this case!

JMHO
fran

Oh, and PS.........IF the hair found in her hand belonged to Jason, don't you think that in itself would be enough to arrest him for probably cause? Or am I just jumping the gun here? franWe don't know, but best guess would be the choke occured first, followed by the brutal beating. This is my blog describing the injuries from a "ordinary citizen" point of view after viewing the photos.

http://autopsyphotos.blogspot.com

I think the hair would be CE, but could be explained away since he lived in the house.

[raisincharlie]

I haven't been following this case for awhile as LE seems to be doing nothing or is incognito in their investigation. Please excuse me if this has already been discussed. I know there's a thread about the autopsy, but it's soooo loonggg.

I just read a copy of the autopsy report and it said there was a bag with several of her missing teeth. So, it's understandable, IMO, that they may have missed one. I remember how appalled everyone was when we found out her family found one on the floor in the bedroom. I guess they just missed one.

The report also says she has bruising around the neck as 'strangulation' marks. So, when was she strangled? Before she was beat to a pulp, or after? and the beating was to hide the strangulation or to be sure the job was done?

IMHO, Jason is still good for this one.

Sorry to hit and run but my time here is limited. Hope LE solves this case!

JMHO
fran

Oh, and PS.........IF the hair found in her hand belonged to Jason, don't you think that in itself would be enough to arrest him for probably cause? Or am I just jumping the gun here? franHey Fran - doing okay ?

The Young family didn't find a whole tooth - they found a part of a tooth. Several speculations about the order of events but have seen nothing official as whether the strangulation was first or last or anything else. Up to your imagination at this point.

My own view is the hair on Michelle's hand - if it belonged to Jy - would not necessarily lead to an immediate arrest for one reason - JY lived in the house so therefore it would be highly possible the hair should be there - not necessarily in her hand but the AR seems to indicate it was laying on her hand. A defense lawyer could make many overtures about that and someone just might believe it. So no I do not believe the hair alone would be reason to arrest JY

Wish I had more news for you - but I don't. Sorry. Its good to see you !

[scandi]

I'm thinking sooner or later he will end up trying to lead the flock to the same point JTF made - it was Meredith. For some reason the JY supporters have a real problem with Meredith. I'm wondering what it is that she must obviously know, and they know she knows, that threatens them so much. :cool:

Hi Charlie and everyone and Fran, good to see you sweetie!

I thought your idea about driving down Duffield way to kill time and excellent one, and bet that is right on. I thought your idea about the accident having an inadvertant impact on their marriage as nailing how and why their marriage was in big trouble 4 - 5 months before she was killed.

And now you have hit on another mind quenching idea of what could Meredith know that would be a threat.

Right now all I can think of is that the Young home had been the scene of domestic abuse, verbal at first, and then possibly working into physical abuse, and Meredith had seen Michelle like this and told her mom. If he was physically abusive to her it would show a precedent for violence. Of course that would be prejudicial and never be used against him in court, right?

I don't know, but I'll think on it Charlie!

[raisincharlie]

Hi Charlie and everyone and Fran, good to see you sweetie!

I thought your idea about driving down Duffield way to kill time and excellent one, and bet that is right on. I thought your idea about the accident having an inadvertant impact on their marriage as nailing how and why their marriage was in big trouble 4 - 5 months before she was killed.

And now you have hit on another mind quenching idea of what could Meredith know that would be a threat.

Right now all I can think of is that the Young home had been the scene of domestic abuse, verbal at first, and then possibly working into physical abuse, and Meredith had seen Michelle like this and told her mom. If he was physically abusive to her it would show a precedent for violence. Of course that would be prejudicial and never be used against him in court, right?

I don't know, but I'll think on it Charlie!

I have no doubt you will puzzle it out. :)

It just seems to me that some people have some serious issues with Meredith. Maybe they just assumed because LE was waiting for JY it was her fault, I don't know but there is a circle with a definite agenda against her.

[pack_fan]

gojo is on CTV talking about rereading "silence of the Lambs". This character is quite a case indeed. I guess he wants us to assume he is RF with his cryptic clues.....geez
Let me just go ahead and put a disclaimer on this one before I get started. I have had computer problems all day and turned out to be something really stupid which just adds to my delightful mood.

I am just about fed up with hit and run posters claiming to be great friends with JY. Maybe they are, I don't particularly care either way. No offense intended to any "insiders" but there is absolutely no inside information to be had in this case other than the relationship between JY and MM. And to be honest with you, I think it is completely irrelevant. Gojo knows that MM is pregnant, so what? He's not the only one, just the only one with so little class to post it on the internet for the world to read.

What good is their information? You have to consider the source. If they are such great friends with JY, do they really expect him to come out and admit that he just brutally murdered his wife. Well no, he would be lying his tail off to protect himself from being "bubba's bit^&". There would be little truth to the claims they are making. For the life of me I can't figure out why all the cryptic messages. Do I really give a sh*t about comparing this case to "silence of the lambs". Well, no, not really. This is not a game nor a riddle, a beautiful young mother is DEAD. It is obvious to me that these so called "friends" have zero respect for Michelle and her unborn son.

It goes either way, seems THEY have it figured out and are quick to lay blame on everyone but Jason. Well by all means, if Jason or any of his "friends" have figured out who did it, I would suggest that they march their a$$es down to the wake county sheriff's office and save those guys some time. We might be able to save the taxpayers some money.

Yada, yada, yada, and jmo......

[jilly]

Let me just go ahead and put a disclaimer on this one before I get started. I have had computer problems all day and turned out to be something really stupid which just adds to my delightful mood.

I am just about fed up with hit and run posters claiming to be great friends with JY. Maybe they are, I don't particularly care either way. No offense intended to any "insiders" but there is absolutely no inside information to be had in this case other than the relationship between JY and MM. And to be honest with you, I think it is completely irrelevant. Gojo knows that MM is pregnant, so what? He's not the only one, just the only one with so little class to post it on the internet for the world to read.

What good is their information? You have to consider the source. If they are such great friends with JY, do they really expect him to come out and admit that he just brutally murdered his wife. Well no, he would be lying his tail off to protect himself from being "bubba's bit^&". There would be little truth to the claims they are making. For the life of me I can't figure out why all the cryptic messages. Do I really give a sh*t about comparing this case to "silence of the lambs". Well, no, not really. This is not a game nor a riddle, a beautiful young mother is DEAD. It is obvious to me that these so called "friends" have zero respect for Michelle and her unborn son.

It goes either way, seems THEY have it figured out and are quick to lay blame on everyone but Jason. Well by all means, if Jason or any of his "friends" have figured out who did it, I would suggest that they march their a$$es down to the wake county sheriff's office and save those guys some time. We might be able to save the taxpayers some money.

Yada, yada, yada, and jmo......


:clap: :clap: You nailed it PF. How right you are about their lack of respect for Michelle & her unborn son!

[Samiya]

Let me just go ahead and put a disclaimer on this one before I get started. I have had computer problems all day and turned out to be something really stupid which just adds to my delightful mood.

I am just about fed up with hit and run posters claiming to be great friends with JY. Maybe they are, I don't particularly care either way. No offense intended to any "insiders" but there is absolutely no inside information to be had in this case other than the relationship between JY and MM. And to be honest with you, I think it is completely irrelevant. Gojo knows that MM is pregnant, so what? He's not the only one, just the only one with so little class to post it on the internet for the world to read.

What good is their information? You have to consider the source. If they are such great friends with JY, do they really expect him to come out and admit that he just brutally murdered his wife. Well no, he would be lying his tail off to protect himself from being "bubba's bit^&". There would be little truth to the claims they are making. For the life of me I can't figure out why all the cryptic messages. Do I really give a sh*t about comparing this case to "silence of the lambs". Well, no, not really. This is not a game nor a riddle, a beautiful young mother is DEAD. It is obvious to me that these so called "friends" have zero respect for Michelle and her unborn son.

It goes either way, seems THEY have it figured out and are quick to lay blame on everyone but Jason. Well by all means, if Jason or any of his "friends" have figured out who did it, I would suggest that they march their a$$es down to the wake county sheriff's office and save those guys some time. We might be able to save the taxpayers some money.

Yada, yada, yada, and jmo......
Yep yep and yep yep and yep!.

For what it's worth, the only real similarity between Jason and the book 'Silence of the lambs'..........

Is the darn title.

Sami

[scandi]

:clap: :clap: :clap: Pack Fan, that post deserves a toast! LOL LOL

Him quoting Shakespeare with the 'blood' quote from Macbeth, and then one of the 10 Comandments, "Thou shall not covet . . .", and he got both quotes wrong. I know because I looked them up!

But then when I read in his post about an hour ago, he is bringing back the neighborhood kids, and then kind of stretching it out to any possible killer who might have been in the area - I have decided he is just so much PoppyCock!

I almost posted tonight about all the things people post about that are not facts, like the 11pm call to Michelle, We have no confirmation on so many of these things that we have just plugged right into our sleuthing. I bet they are having the last laugh on this.

This Gojo is a new breed, kind of an Everyman kind of a guy. Plastic as they come, as he can change his style in a second, be hip and hoppy the next, playful and then be quoting from one of the most world renoun playwrights of all time. He and his cohorts of agenda bend to fit the mood and tenor of the thread, only to spew acideous ideas to hopefully implant in our brains. Like MF and the neighborhood kids, or the hit man theory!

What really gets me Packy, is that through a planned agenda on how they want to turn the tide of public opinion on the forum, is that posters start discussing what they're putting out. You would think our fellow posters would see the light!~

[LTUlegal]

Disclaimer: I've been trying to read & read to get caught up on this case. I've been following it, albeit not as closely as the rest of you.

A few things I've observed and will opine: I listened to the 911 call on my headphones. Not state of the art, by any means, but near the beginning, where Cassidy is asking for the washcloth, I heard, "mommy got...mommy got boo boos." And I listened to it again for the Daddy did it. I didn't hear it then and almost gave up. Then, near the very end of the call, when the 911 operator is calling for the police, I hear clearly, "daddy did it." In my opinion, at that time, a 2 year old hasn't had enough coaching from anyone to be led into saying that daddy did it. Also, I agree with many posters here, that she probably just thought mommy had boo boos and was asleep. Death or the finality of it, had not come into that baby girl's head. Her only reality was that her mommy wasn't waking up.
I would also take a guess that whatever blood that was on Cassidy, at the point in which Meredith came in, was fairly dried. Which would lead Meredith to believe that Cassidy wasn't hurt. Therefor, she didn't need to run, screaming from the house with Cassidy.
In regards to her not being able to move Michelle, if I were holding the phone with my chin on my shoulder, depending on the angle that Michelle would've fallen, (perhaps her knee(s) were under her) I would think I would have a hard time moving someone. Besides, iirc, rigor had begun to settle in.
I also believe that Meredith was trying to keep herself calm for Cassidy. I have done that, myself, in certain cases, (not like this one!) but I imagine that's where Meredith was coming from. Then, break down into a crying ball when the urgency is over.
When, in the 911 call, she says that she's her "only sister", I think that's where it hits her that she's all Michelle has & vice versa. I just cannot imagine finding my sister this way.
I don't believe one iota that Meredith had anything to do with this.

I really hope that Raleigh/Durham police start making some arrests when it comes to pregnant mothers being murdered in their very own homes.

All of the above are certainly my opinions only.



Justice for Janet Christiansen Abaroa

[LTUlegal]

For those who are still posting at CTV, you've got more spunk than me! I pretty much left that place after sp. I stop by every once in a while, & was reading the MY threads there in order to catch up. (there's just not enough time in the day!) I do still see some of my friends over there, though, following this case!

"Insider" stuff IS interesting though, isn't it? Hard not to look away.

[raisincharlie]

Disclaimer: I've been trying to read & read to get caught up on this case. I've been following it, albeit not as closely as the rest of you.

A few things I've observed and will opine: I listened to the 911 call on my headphones. Not state of the art, by any means, but near the beginning, where Cassidy is asking for the washcloth, I heard, "mommy got...mommy got boo boos." And I listened to it again for the Daddy did it. I didn't hear it then and almost gave up. Then, near the very end of the call, when the 911 operator is calling for the police, I hear clearly, "daddy did it." In my opinion, at that time, a 2 year old hasn't had enough coaching from anyone to be led into saying that daddy did it. Also, I agree with many posters here, that she probably just thought mommy had boo boos and was asleep. Death or the finality of it, had not come into that baby girl's head. Her only reality was that her mommy wasn't waking up.
I would also take a guess that whatever blood that was on Cassidy, at the point in which Meredith came in, was fairly dried. Which would lead Meredith to believe that Cassidy wasn't hurt. Therefor, she didn't need to run, screaming from the house with Cassidy.
In regards to her not being able to move Michelle, if I were holding the phone with my chin on my shoulder, depending on the angle that Michelle would've fallen, (perhaps her knee(s) were under her) I would think I would have a hard time moving someone. Besides, iirc, rigor had begun to settle in.
I also believe that Meredith was trying to keep herself calm for Cassidy. I have done that, myself, in certain cases, (not like this one!) but I imagine that's where Meredith was coming from. Then, break down into a crying ball when the urgency is over.
When, in the 911 call, she says that she's her "only sister", I think that's where it hits her that she's all Michelle has & vice versa. I just cannot imagine finding my sister this way.
I don't believe one iota that Meredith had anything to do with this.

I really hope that Raleigh/Durham police start making some arrests when it comes to pregnant mothers being murdered in their very own homes.

All of the above are certainly my opinions only.



Justice for Janet Christiansen Abaroa
LTUlegal,

Thanks for your post and glad you took the time to listen to the tape. I think your synopsis is very good and well thought out. It is always good to hear a perspective from someone who has not been quite so involved - adds clarity.

Hopefully the recent FBI activity in Utah will help to obtain justice for Janet Abaroa !

[raisincharlie]

:clap: :clap: :clap: Pack Fan, that post deserves a toast! LOL LOL

Him quoting Shakespeare with the 'blood' quote from Macbeth, and then one of the 10 Comandments, "Thou shall not covet . . .", and he got both quotes wrong. I know because I looked them up!

But then when I read in his post about an hour ago, he is bringing back the neighborhood kids, and then kind of stretching it out to any possible killer who might have been in the area - I have decided he is just so much PoppyCock!

I almost posted tonight about all the things people post about that are not facts, like the 11pm call to Michelle, We have no confirmation on so many of these things that we have just plugged right into our sleuthing. I bet they are having the last laugh on this.

This Gojo is a new breed, kind of an Everyman kind of a guy. Plastic as they come, as he can change his style in a second, be hip and hoppy the next, playful and then be quoting from one of the most world renoun playwrights of all time. He and his cohorts of agenda bend to fit the mood and tenor of the thread, only to spew acideous ideas to hopefully implant in our brains. Like MF and the neighborhood kids, or the hit man theory!

What really gets me Packy, is that through a planned agenda on how they want to turn the tide of public opinion on the forum, is that posters start discussing what they're putting out. You would think our fellow posters would see the light!~
Scandi,

I take a fair amount of heat because I question the insiders and I don't always play nice with them. I do however listen but with caution and am willing to wait and see if there is an agenda. I cannot blame those who come on to defend Jason or try to deflect away from him. They are his friends, we might do the same were we in a position that would not allow us to believe a friend could commit such an atrocity. The one thing about people like JTF and gojo - they always say some things they should not say without realizing it and they most often generate more questions about JY than they ever resolve. With gojo there was the subtle admission that JY is not speaking with LE - that coincides with information we have heard from day one from LE. Ooops.

However, the agendas don't take long to come out in reality. As to the neighborhood kids that we are not to speak of, I have my own thoughts on why it was not these kids. Common sense indicates kids are random by nature, having said that, the wounds inflicted upon Michelle were in no way random. This murder was very focused and direct - not the act of one kid, let alone two. Secondly, there is little doubt in my mind a dog or two was at that scene - those kids would not have washed off blood - the dog(s) would have tracked to a location following the direction the kids left in. The fact that LE did not immediately head west into the neighborhood behind the Young home tells me the dogs indicated to LE that the perp left by car, not on foot down the street, and not through the woods behind the house.

The story about Jason's friends waiting at Meredith's - I will go out on a limb and say from what I know - no way they were sitting in the house with Meredith - police officers, or a victims advocate maybe, but not Jason's friends. If Jy's friends showed up at Meredith's no doubt they would have been questioned. The rest of that little tale stinks IMO. Jys Mom calling Raleigh PD - first why call Raleigh PD when the jurisdiction in control is WCSO ? I believe details of the search warrant for the SUV reveal that there was a certain amount of cooperation offered - no way did LE open the door to that SUV to find a droplet inside on the seat. If LE observed it through a window - it had to be of significant size to do so. This is common sense and this is how those like gojo betray themselves - they have no common sense about it - the inventions are emotion driven rather than sensible - easy to spot the difference.

Gojo is particularly vile because to obtain credibility he did exactly what JY did, took advantage of a woman who has found herself in a bad spot because of a mistake in judgement. The good Lord knows we are all quite capable of making mistakes. This IMO was over the boundary of common decency and just reveals the desperation and grabbing for straws going on in certain circles. To all who read their words, it needs to be kept in mind that these types of insiders have nothing to contribute in reality, the only objective is to divert and make overtures in defense at any cost. The hard questions will never be answered by them. In my mind this exposes the character of those doing so and I don't think I need to give an opinion on that, you all know me well enough to know my thoughts on that.

;)

[close_enough]

ugh, nothing new except for things about Gojo, huh?....i agree with "LTUlegal"...it's interesting reading, but imo it gets boring after awhile....

maybe something will 'break' soon...wonder if the forensic evidence is still in the 'backed-up' lab??

[Dominique]

I'm thinking sooner or later he will end up trying to lead the flock to the same point JTF made - it was Meredith. For some reason the JY supporters have a real problem with Meredith. I'm wondering what it is that she must obviously know, and they know she knows, that threatens them so much. :cool:


She was the first person, after the killer to see his handiwork and pick up the pieces...they are worried about her...she may or may not have issues but she is at least smart and perceptive and strong and she is being quiet for a reason. Why, I don't know, but her silence indicates knowledge and peace of mind that that information tells her there will be justice for her sister soon. That is my op. and I am not even factoring in anything that Cassie said to her.

His supporters do have her in their sights and that shows desperation to me. In fact, most of what those insiders,who post intimate info, indicate grasping desperation and a stubborn insistance that JY could not have done this, yet they back their suppositions up w/innuendo and no facts to support the premise. Desperate times for Team-JY.

[raisincharlie]

She was the first person, after the killer to see his handiwork and pick up the pieces...they are worried about her...she may or may not have issues but she is at least smart and perceptive and strong and she is being quiet for a reason. Why, I don't know, but her silence indicates knowledge and peace of mind that that information tells her there will be justice for her sister soon. That is my op. and I am not even factoring in anything that Cassie said to her.

His supporters do have her in their sights and that shows desperation to me. In fact, most of what those insiders,who post intimate info, indicate grasping desperation and a stubborn insistance that JY could not have done this, yet they back their suppositions up w/innuendo and no facts to support the premise. Desperate times for Team-JY.
I agree and I doubt the mud slinging is over, afraid it is just starting. I have no doubt, if JY is arrested and brought to trial, her cross exam will not be gentle in any manner. JMO

[Dominique]

I agree and I doubt the mud slinging is over, afraid it is just starting. I have no doubt, if JY is arrested and brought to trial, her cross exam will not be gentle in any manner. JMO

I agree RC and I also think, even tho I don't even know her (as I did not even know her only sister, a word that MF has lost forever) I think, hope and pray that she will do 'real good'. :angel:

[jilly]

The defense would have to be awfully careful when their cross exam, imo. Just like Geragos had to be careful with Amber. Last thing you want to do is alienate a jury.

This poor woman was sent to the home by JY to discover her only sister dead and her niece running around in her mother's blood - on a "fluke". The jury won't be lost on this.

From what I understand a very good female prosecutor will be on this case and I'm sure she will do a very good job of preparing Meredith.

[scandi]

I agree Jilly, and think MF will be in excellent stead.

And if Mr Smith gets tough on her I can just hear it now: "Your Honor, Badgering the witness", "Your Honor, no precident", "Your Honor, bar please, {Your Honor, could you please tell the defendant he needs to sit up straight instead of lazying way down in his chair like he's going to slip right out of it!}" :D

OMG, I need a break, like Crossing Jordan :p I just love that show!

[raisincharlie]

Sami,


Your question about the locks on the front door - Part 11, page 9, post 224. 5bigfish5 gives an explanation of both code requirement and how the locks work. Hope that helps your inquiry.

RC

[raisincharlie]

The defense would have to be awfully careful when their cross exam, imo. Just like Geragos had to be careful with Amber. Last thing you want to do is alienate a jury.

This poor woman was sent to the home by JY to discover her only sister dead and her niece running around in her mother's blood - on a "fluke". The jury won't be lost on this.

From what I understand a very good female prosecutor will be on this case and I'm sure she will do a very good job of preparing Meredith.
Personally, I seriously hope Meredith is being very careful, watching her back, talking only to family members, and has purchased an alarm system and keeps a loaded gun in her house. After JTFs bull do and clear mental instability, it is clear that Meredith is despised by some, most likely for what she knows about JY. Now we have another posting, probably with JTF sitting along side that is probably going to start on MM.

If this is the kind of people JY is surrounded by, it tells me this lawyer will throw everything up to attempt to discredit both of these ladies and as we know, the rumored embezzlement, I have no doubt will be brought in. There are no known tapes with the perp's voice stating anything - which was why Geragos couldn't really do much with Ms. Frey. If JY is arrested and brought to trial, both of these ladies need to eat lots of Cherrios IMO.

[Samiya]

Sami,


Your question about the locks on the front door - Part 11, page 9, post 224. 5bigfish5 gives an explanation of both code requirement and how the locks work. Hope that helps your inquiry.

RC
Now that was a wild goose chase, lmao

Come here you........... gotcha! :behindbar

It was on page 22 :)

I am sure the video footage that shows the door, and subsequent discussion of the panels was between Greta and Amanda. Will check the video and see if I can grab a still shot off it for closer inspection of the type of lock :)

Back soon.

**let's Charlie out**

Hugs
Sami

[raisincharlie]

:laugh: :laugh:



Now that was a wild goose chase, lmao

Come here you........... gotcha! :behindbar

It was on page 22 :)

I am sure the video footage that shows the door, and subsequent discussion of the panels was between Greta and Amanda. Will check the video and see if I can grab a still shot off it for closer inspection of the type of lock :)

Back soon.