Psychics, Dreams and Visions

[Dr. Doogie]

I have been hesitant to starting this thread because (A) I do not put much stock in the validity of this nature of information, and (B) as a believer in the Bible, I take seriously the prohibitions mentioned there against certain occult practices. There is is some wiggle room (dreams and visions can also come from God and are not prohibited), but I usually err on the side of caution when dealing with this type of situation.

That being said, something very interesting was discovered by SherlockJr that I wanted to bring to your attention. She located the following post:

"
Saturday (http://suicidegirls.com/girls/Quinne/1545983/)
JANUARY 20, 2007 @ 10:34 AM

i woke up today in a fit
someone on a dock in my dream was saying the name 'anne waters' or anna or something over and over again. and saying a man did it it 'it was a man who did it'
and i could see the ocean

so
i search the name ... and im sorry im freaked out... in 1973 a little girl was taken from her front yard in half moon bay. in my dream she had blond hair. in real life she had blond hair.


so freaked out i cried

thoughts?

i also found this
anna waters (http://ginad42.googlepages.com/annawaters)

also for the record i don't even own a tv or read the news. it bothers me so i have no idea why i dreamt about this girl.

http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?p=%22Anna+Waters%22&ei=UTF-8&fr=ush1-mail&u=suicidegirls.com/girls/Quinne/1545983/page4/&w=%22anna+waters%22&d=byyup-xsOPQS&icp=1&.intl=us (http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?p=%22Anna+Waters%22&ei=UTF-8&fr=ush1-mail&u=suicidegirls.com/girls/Quinne/1545983/page4/&w=%22anna+waters%22&d=byyup-xsOPQS&icp=1&.intl=us) "

The links listed above are to various sites that we have created. The poster seems sincere and apparently this came to her with no outside input, which makes it very interesting.

I would like to contact this woman, but this was posted on a pay site that is a "My Space" knockoff for young goth girls who seem to enjoy taking their clothes off. As a result, I would never be able to explain to my wife why I joined this site. Is anybody out there willing to join and forward my email address to this woman? You can follow the active link above called "Saturday" and then follow the "to join" links.

[LinetteH]

I did a little research and found her on myspace:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=54255906

[Dr. Doogie]

I did a little research and found her on myspace:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=54255906
Thanks, LH. My work computer is blocked from MySpace, so I will check it out when I get home this evening. You just saved me both $50 and my marriage - LOL!

[LinetteH]

Thanks, LH. My work computer is blocked from MySpace, so I will check it out when I get home this evening. You just saved me both $50 and my marriage - LOL!LOL! I didn't figure my hubby would understand a subscription to that site either! :)

[laini]

also for the record i don't even own a tv or read the news. it bothers me so i have no idea why i dreamt about this girl.

.Sounds innocent enough, until she says the "for the record" statement. IMO she's a fake. (also, her myspace says Ugly Betty is her fav t.v. show)

[Dr. Doogie]

Sounds innocent enough, until she says the "for the record" statement. IMO she's a fake. (also, her myspace says Ugly Betty is her fav t.v. show)
That is an interesting statement by someone who claims to not own a TV. Good catch!

[mysteriew]

Oh, the quandaries we face in searching.
I like the way you handled it Dr. D.

[Gina_M]

I received a very similar message in a MySpace email on the same day, January 20th. I wasn't sure how to respond, and was hesitant about posting it here because I wasn't sure how it would be received. It seems to be a different MySpace account from the one posted earlier in this thread:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=6492736

Oh and as far as TV goes, here's what she says on this page:
Televisionthat damn greys anatomy (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=6492736#).. but i watch it online (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=6492736#), i dont own a television (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=6492736#)

Here's the message:

Jan 20, 2007 2:52 PM

i'm not sure how to go about this.
last night i dreamt about this person. i have never ever heard of her or her case. in my dream .. i could see a dock and the ocean and it was night time and it was like there was cliffs or something . and a woman with dark hair was saying 'ann waters or anna waters' over and over again. and i kind of remember seeing a man and the woman said 'a man did it' over and over. and when i woke up a vision of a blonde girl then woman came to mind. shaken i google searched the name anna waters and her story came up. i have no idea what this means but i figured you might be interested or of some ... help?
im not sure.

[Annasmom]

I received a very similar message in a MySpace email on the same day, January 20th. I wasn't sure how to respond, and was hesitant about posting it here because I wasn't sure how it would be received. It seems to be a different MySpace account from the one posted earlier in this thread:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=6492736

Oh and as far as TV goes, here's what she says on this page:
Televisionthat damn greys anatomy (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=6492736#).. but i watch it online (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=6492736#), i dont own a television (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=6492736#)

Here's the message:

Jan 20, 2007 2:52 PM

i'm not sure how to go about this.
last night i dreamt about this person. i have never ever heard of her or her case. in my dream .. i could see a dock and the ocean and it was night time and it was like there was cliffs or something . and a woman with dark hair was saying 'ann waters or anna waters' over and over again. and i kind of remember seeing a man and the woman said 'a man did it' over and over. and when i woke up a vision of a blonde girl then woman came to mind. shaken i google searched the name anna waters and her story came up. i have no idea what this means but i figured you might be interested or of some ... help?
im not sure.

I certainly believe in a collective unconscious, but even if we take this as an honest statement of what the young woman saw, I don't know what we can do with it. This has been the problem with what various psychics have come up with regarding Anna over the years. Several of them seemed to agree that Anna was taken by a woman who wanted a child, that she was well cared for, but when it came down to an address and a telephone number--or even a state or country where we might look for her--nobody was able to agree. Does anyone think the timing of this post is significant?

[Dr. Doogie]

Does anyone think the timing of this post is significant?
Since it was posted on January 20th, the dream must have been the evening of the 19th - three days after the broadcast of Missing Pieces. That does seem significant.

[mfmangel1]

I have read this message numerous times since it was posted here yesterday. I have gone to the woman's "suicide girls" site and her myspace site.

I can't put my finger on it, but there is something that doesn't feel quite right. Perhaps it is just me, but I can't give the woman's vision/dream a welcoming feeling. For some reason I have my guard up on this dream.

I might be completely off-base here. I am not usually so negative. I try to have an open mind about all options concerning Anna.

Thanks for handling the matter as you have, Dr. Doogie!

[Annasmom]

I have read this message numerous times since it was posted here yesterday. I have gone to the woman's "suicide girls" site and her myspace site.

I can't put my finger on it, but there is something that doesn't feel quite right. Perhaps it is just me, but I can't give the woman's vision/dream a welcoming feeling. For some reason I have my guard up on this dream.

I might be completely off-base here. I am not usually so negative. I try to have an open mind about all options concerning Anna.

Thanks for handling the matter as you have, Dr. Doogie!
I agree; it's kind of a shadow-side report. It would be interesting to know whether she got any hits from the photos, if she looked at them. I think it's a good sign if our search is even getting into people's dreams!

[Dr. Doogie]

I have sent this woman a message through her MySpace site asking her to contact me. I have not heard back yet.

In examining her blogs and pictures, I suspect that she is a resident of the SF Bay Area (probably Marin County, just north of San Francisco). It will be interesting to talk with her and see if there is anything else that she can tell us. (Plus, I would like an explaination of this whole "Suicide Girls" thing is about.)

[Gina_M]

I had replied to her email about a week or so ago, asking her to join us here at Websleuths, but haven't heard anything back yet. I've seen that Suicide Girls thing on other Myspace pages of girls around the same age, but I'm not completely sure what it is. Seems to be a sort of gothic-type thing.

[Gina_M]

"They're beautiful ladies with crazy tattoos, piercings and dreadlocks."
- Dave Grohl

"For those who prefer their beauty queens with body piercings, tattoos and a bit of attitude"
- Cincinnati Enquirer

According to a page I found, the Suicide Girls are the "daughters of Bettie Page" and "an army of over 1,100 unconventionally gorgeous pinup girls devoted to changing your idea about what makes a woman beautiful".

In other words, gothic-style beauty queens - at least that's my take on it!

[Annasmom]

I have sent this woman a message through her MySpace site asking her to contact me. I have not heard back yet.

In examining her blogs and pictures, I suspect that she is a resident of the SF Bay Area (probably Marin County, just north of San Francisco). It will be interesting to talk with her and see if there is anything else that she can tell us. (Plus, I would like an explaination of this whole "Suicide Girls" thing is about.)

I've been puzzling over "A man did it". Aman is a proper name. What if it was "Aman did it"? (I know it was just a dream, but still...)

[Dr. Doogie]

"They're beautiful ladies with crazy tattoos, piercings and dreadlocks."
- Dave Grohl

"For those who prefer their beauty queens with body piercings, tattoos and a bit of attitude"
- Cincinnati Enquirer

According to a page I found, the Suicide Girls are the "daughters of Bettie Page" and "an army of over 1,100 unconventionally gorgeous pinup girls devoted to changing your idea about what makes a woman beautiful".

In other words, gothic-style beauty queens - at least that's my take on it!
Ah, those crazy kids...

[suzannej]

I often think of anna when i get into bed, the whole thing wizzing around my head and last night dreamt of Anna being taken taken on a motorbike like a moped away from the farm possible on rough ground?? .also the letters svw came to me ???.very strange but thought id share it .

[Annasmom]

I often think of anna when i get into bed, the whole thing wizzing around my head and last night dreamt of Anna being taken taken on a motorbike like a moped away from the farm possible on rough ground?? .also the letters svw came to me ???.very strange but thought id share it . There was a motorcycle club which used the farm, so this is not an impossible scenario. Unfortunately, we never knew anybody in the club and it would be impossible to trace now. Two of those three initials belong to someone who was helping us search for Anna (and who was with us when Anna disappeared). Actually it was SWW.

[pedinurse]

any updates on this? anybody hear back from either girl?

[Dr. Doogie]

any updates on this? anybody hear back from either girl?

The "Suicide Girl" never responded to our several emails, so I tend to just dismiss her post as "strange, but useless". I am not sure which other girl you refer to.

On a related note (concerning pyshics, that is), remote viewing is a technique developed by Stanford Research Institute in Palo Alto, Ca for using psychic abilities for the ascertaining of data. SRI was contracted by the Pentagon and the CIA to develop and use these techinques to determine valuable intelligence during the Cold War and was sucessful enough that the contracts were maintained for over twenty years.

I have a friend who is relatively high up in SRI (in a different field than RV) and I contacted him to see of he could use his pull to gain access to this program to assist in our search for Anna. It turns out that the program was dismantled after the collapse of the Soviet Union and all of the participants have left SRI - most going into private practice using and teaching this technique. So there is no "inside track" that we can use to have them look into Anna's disappearance.

[rainbow]

Hey all :)

You mentioned remote viewing, I was wondering if you have seen the site brianspredictions.com? I'm not sure how much faith I put into that but I also like to keep an open mind about such things. Anyhoo, I found out about his site on the Sharon Marshall thread and then seeing this thought it might be worth mentioning.

Have a blessed day =)

[Dr. Doogie]

Hey all :)

You mentioned remote viewing, I was wondering if you have seen the site brianspredictions.com?

That site was mentioned earkier on this thread. I am reluctant to approach this guy because he offers free "readings", but it takes several months. Quicker readings can be done, but for a fee. If he actually has a gift, then why is he charging at all?

The problem with any of the pyschics that have offered information is that their readings are so vague as to only serve to confuse rather than clarify. There has been a lot of "I see Anna in a large white house with a woman in a flowing dress" and no "She is currently attending JFK Elelmentary School in Las Vegas under the name of Jennifer Smith". The latter would definitely be of benefit, while the former only serves to tantalize with providing any answers (or even direction).

Remote viewing (if legitimate) seems to offer the sort of specifics that we seek. The CIA, the Pentagon and such would not have used it if all it produced were generalizations of no value. I would hope that the results of such would provide us with (1) missing details of her disappearance, (2) names of those involved, and (3) Anna's current location. Anything less would be useless.

[Dr. Doogie]

I have been contacted by someone who self-identifies as a "psychic detective" who has worked with LE in the past. This person has given me two names of women in one particular locale who she feels may have information about Anna. The psychic has suggested that we send the age-progessed pictures to these women and see if they have any reaction.

Neither woman mentioned is the right age for being Anna, so any possible connection would either be as a witness or a participant. As a result, we are investigating as much as we can about these women before we make any contact. After we know as much as we can, we will connect with them.

There is no known connection between these women and anything that we currently believe about Anna's disappearance. There also does not appear to be any connection between these two. The psychic admits that she does not know why she believes that contacting these two may be helpful and says, to her credit, that she may be completely wrong about her feelings. Her "under-selling" of this vision makes it more intriguing to me.

So, in the words of Shirley MacLaine, we are stepping "out on a limb" here and will see if there is anything to this. At least I do not have to wear a pyramid on my head.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Interesting....very interesting.

Has a physic ever really "solved" a case that anyone knows of? I've heard of them helping LE, and after the case is finally solved some of the things where true, like the color of a house, or the make and model of a car, things like that. I know this is off topic, but if any one has a link or a story to tell, please PM me.

[Dr. Doogie]

..The problem with any of the pyschics that have offered information is that their readings are so vague as to only serve to confuse rather than clarify. There has been a lot of "I see Anna in a large white house with a woman in a flowing dress" and no "She is currently attending JFK Elelmentary School in Las Vegas under the name of Jennifer Smith". The latter would definitely be of benefit, while the former only serves to tantalize without providing any answers (or even direction)...I would hope that the results of such would provide us with (1) missing details of her disappearance, (2) names of those involved, and (3) Anna's current location. Anything less would be useless.

What makes this new vision interesting is that it includes specific names, addresses and phone numbers. It may turn out to be nothing, but it does have the specificity that has been lacking in other visions.

[smile22]

i contacted brian to do an rv on Janice Pockett tolland ct 173 back in march i think or may and he said he would get to it and its now oct and no rv was done i contacted him and said he would look into it. so he does take a while to get back to u and then a whole longer while to actualy do the rv

[Dr. Doogie]

I have a wierd request for any of you out there that are adept with Google Earth or any other mapping program out there (I am not and cannot figure out how to do the following).

Start at the Space Needle in Seattle, WA. Go due west exactly 10 miles, the go due south exactly 300 miles. Where do those directions end up? Is there any identifiable town or city there?

(This was part of a dream I had last night that related to Anna. Please do not too excited, since another part of the dream had me managing Britney Spears' career while also appearing in a Shakespearian play with Bill Murray and Meatloaf. In other words, it probably was nonsense, but these directions were very specific and I wanted to follow up on them.)

[laini]

:laugh: Please do not too excited, since another part of the dream had me managing Britney Spears' career while also appearing in a Shakespearian play with Bill Murray and Meatloaf. In other words, it probably was nonsense, but these directions were very specific and I wanted to follow up on them.)

funny!

[Annasmom]

I have a wierd request for any of you out there that are adept with Google Earth or any other mapping program out there (I am not and cannot figure out how to do the following).

Start at the Space Needle in Seattle, WA. Go due west exactly 10 miles, the go due south exactly 300 miles. Where do those directions end up? Is there any identifiable town or city there?

(This was part of a dream I had last night that related to Anna. Please do not too excited, since another part of the dream had me managing Britney Spears' career while also appearing in a Shakespearian play with Bill Murray and Meatloaf. In other words, it probably was nonsense, but these directions were very specific and I wanted to follow up on them.) I don't have Google Earth, but I Googled my husband, who is awfully good at maps and directions, and he says this would be somewhere in the upper middle part of Oregon.

[PaulaKay]

I have a wierd request for any of you out there that are adept with Google Earth or any other mapping program out there (I am not and cannot figure out how to do the following).

Start at the Space Needle in Seattle, WA. Go due west exactly 10 miles, the go due south exactly 300 miles. Where do those directions end up? Is there any identifiable town or city there?

(This was part of a dream I had last night that related to Anna. Please do not too excited, since another part of the dream had me managing Britney Spears' career while also appearing in a Shakespearian play with Bill Murray and Meatloaf. In other words, it probably was nonsense, but these directions were very specific and I wanted to follow up on them.)


According to Microsoft Mappoint 2006, this would put you in the Umpqua National Forest. Closest road would be about a half mile to the East FR-060 Rd in Glide, OR.

[Dr. Doogie]

Thanks. There does not appear to be anything about that spot that relates to Anna, so chalk it up to eating pizza too late at night.

[SherlockJr]

I don't have Google Earth, but I Googled my husband, who is awfully good at maps and directions, and he says this would be somewhere in the upper middle part of Oregon.


Hmmm :waitasec: , when I googled your husband, I found a reference in the Wikipedia.

[SherlockJr]

According to Microsoft Mappoint 2006, this would put you in the Umpqua National Forest. Closest road would be about a half mile to the East FR-060 Rd in Glide, OR.


Glide, OR?? Didn't that city come up prior? William C? or was that a different city in Oregon?

[PaulaKay]

Glide, OR?? Didn't that city come up prior? William C? or was that a different city in Oregon?

Glide, OR is the correct name of the city, but not sure if it's come up before. I've been following along since the beginning (and don't post much because I usually have nothing to add), but I have no idea about that name...doesn't seem familiar to me...maybe someone else can recall?

Also, the city of Glide, OR is actually about 30-35 miles East of the spot Doogie had me find. It seems pretty rural, so that's probably why the city name comes attached with the closest road.

[Dr. Doogie]

Glide, OR?? Didn't that city come up prior? William C? or was that a different city in Oregon?

Crap, now I am going to need to check my notes. Rats!

[Dr. Doogie]

Glide, OR?? Didn't that city come up prior? William C? or was that a different city in Oregon?

The William C that we checked out was in Portland and its suburbs. This is quite a distance from the spot I dreamed about.

[SherlockJr]

The William C that we checked out was in Portland and its suburbs. This is quite a distance from the spot I dreamed about.

Yes, you are right. However, Glide Oregon is very near Eugene, OR. The family stayed with friends where Anna went horseback riding.

[SherlockJr]

According to Microsoft Mappoint 2006, this would put you in the Umpqua National Forest. Closest road would be about a half mile to the East FR-060 Rd in Glide, OR.

Looking at Google driving directions, Eugene, OR is about 282 miles south. Cottage Grove, OR is 301 miles south of Seattle.

[Dr. Doogie]

Help this poor wretched (currently) viral-infested brain out here - was the family that did the horseriding in Cottage Grove?

[GraceBlue]

Thats interesting Doogie!! It will be interesting to find out what that dream was all about!

I've had couple dreams about Anna myself but I've been very reculant about posting them on here because I dont want people thinking I am crazy. I really dont know if they mean anything. This never happened until recently (until I got pregnant) then all of my dreams became so vivid. But now that Doogie posted his dream, I will too.

One dream about Anna I remember is a white pickup truck with a 'round' front or some sort of a white volkswagen westfalia bus. and a young man wearing a cowboy hat. (no older man in the picture) I remember I woke up a lot during that dream trying to interrupt it or stop something from happening.

[Cubby]

I don't recall any info on previous searches regarding anyone or anything about the Oregon area, other than the info on the Washington connection with the license plates.

Nor have I had any dreams about Anna though I often think of her before falling asleep. I've never had visions, or preminitions of any kind, though would qualify for several weird nonsensical dreams.....

the only "vision" or flash I have had in relation to Anna, had something to do with a Christmas gift style red ribbon ( 3/4" width) seen atop a small portion of air bubbly slowly flowing water.... or maybe a small area of water which could not be discerned.... and something that would have easily blown from a loosly covered trash can.... and most likely after I attempted tor force myself possibly wishful thinking.... and knowing it wasn't too long after Christmas, when Anna went missing.

Deep down inside I know someone knows.... and I hope someones conscience after all these years will reveal some information.....I'm thinking of a note or deathbed confession.... maybe to fairytale like?

I can't help but wonder if the person(s) who took Anna, reads this site.... or lurks here.... my gut tells me GB had something to do with it, though he may have manipulated GW into believing in the best, or he simply was able to keep it from GW.....

Just thinking outloud.....

eta, I am the queen of really bizzare dreams.... the latest being about phermones from racoons after reading something about a fathers scent delaying his daughters puberty... so I would likely dismiss any dreams I had of Anna other than thinking about her before I fell asleep.

[Dr. Doogie]

I don't recall any info on previous searches regarding anyone or anything about the Oregon area, other than the info on the Washington connection with the license plates...

The person of interest that SherlockJr is referring to (William C.) was someone who was not mentioned in the forum. Our tipster who claims to have met Anna two years after her disappearance stated that her abductor's name was Bill. Annasmom uncovered in her diary a mention of a Bill (William C.) who had visited the family a few months prior to Anna's disappearance. There were a few things in William C's past that made him interesting, primarily a criminal record for grand theft and a generally shady background. We traced him as far as Oregon before things really heated up with the mystery woman "C". I believe (and SherlockJr can correct me if I am wrong) that we shelved this investigation because of how strong C looked as a match for Anna. SherlockJr, did we ever finally rule this guy out? Should we look into him some more now that we know that C is not Anna?

[Cubby]

The person of interest that SherlockJr is referring to (William C.) was someone who was not mentioned in the forum. Our tipster who claims to have met Anna two years after her disappearance stated that her abductor's name was Bill. Annasmom uncovered in her diary a mention of a Bill (William C.) who had visited the family a few months prior to Anna's disappearance. There were a few things in William C's past that made him interesting, primarily a criminal record for grand theft and a generally shady background. We traced him as far as Oregon before things really heated up with the mystery woman "C". I believe (and SherlockJr can correct me if I am wrong) that we shelved this investigation because of how strong C looked as a match for Anna. SherlockJr, did we ever finally rule this guy out? Should we look into him some more now that we know that C is not Anna?


Thanks Doogie, I recall reading that in one of the earlier closed threads. That was the daughter of someone who spoke of a collecting rent for one of her fathers investment properties. Glad to see some of the things that fell along the wayside are not being forgotten due to other hot tips....

and not to be a pest.... but you will repost those pictures that transferred from yahoo and keeping us posted on your quest for the FBI files?

I don't mind being an, er, hemmoriod when it comes to Anna.... This one is closest to my heart. :blushing:

[Annasmom]

Thats interesting Doogie!! It will be interesting to find out what that dream was all about!

I've had couple dreams about Anna myself but I've been very reculant about posting them on here because I dont want people thinking I am crazy. I really dont know if they mean anything. This never happened until recently (until I got pregnant) then all of my dreams became so vivid. But now that Doogie posted his dream, I will too.

One dream about Anna I remember is a white pickup truck with a 'round' front or some sort of a white volkswagen westfalia bus. and a young man wearing a cowboy hat. (no older man in the picture) I remember I woke up a lot during that dream trying to interrupt it or stop something from happening. At the time Anna disappeared, we had an old International Harvester truck with a round front, and Joe Ford always wore a cowboy hat.

[GraceBlue]

At the time Anna disappeared, we had an old International Harvester truck with a round front, and Joe Ford always wore a cowboy hat.

Annasmom Now that you said that, I vaguely remember seeing a picture of the family and Joe Ford was wearing a hat. Maybe thats why I had a dream of a man in a cowboy hat? It definitely wasn't Joe Ford in the dream, it was a younger man, no moustache, beard, or goatee.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I have been contacted by someone who self-identifies as a "psychic detective" who has worked with LE in the past. This person has given me two names of women in one particular locale who she feels may have information about Anna. The psychic has suggested that we send the age-progessed pictures to these women and see if they have any reaction.

Neither woman mentioned is the right age for being Anna, so any possible connection would either be as a witness or a participant. As a result, we are investigating as much as we can about these women before we make any contact. After we know as much as we can, we will connect with them.

There is no known connection between these women and anything that we currently believe about Anna's disappearance. There also does not appear to be any connection between these two. The psychic admits that she does not know why she believes that contacting these two may be helpful and says, to her credit, that she may be completely wrong about her feelings. Her "under-selling" of this vision makes it more intriguing to me.

So, in the words of Shirley MacLaine, we are stepping "out on a limb" here and will see if there is anything to this. At least I do not have to wear a pyramid on my head.

I've been watching the Court TV show Psychic Detective series since this post, and have to say, if true, these people have more insight than I've ever given them credit for.

I hate to be a pest, but have you followed up on this yet? I'm very curious.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

The person of interest that SherlockJr is referring to (William C.) was someone who was not mentioned in the forum. Our tipster who claims to have met Anna two years after her disappearance stated that her abductor's name was Bill. Annasmom uncovered in her diary a mention of a Bill (William C.) who had visited the family a few months prior to Anna's disappearance. There were a few things in William C's past that made him interesting, primarily a criminal record for grand theft and a generally shady background. We traced him as far as Oregon before things really heated up with the mystery woman "C". I believe (and SherlockJr can correct me if I am wrong) that we shelved this investigation because of how strong C looked as a match for Anna. SherlockJr, did we ever finally rule this guy out? Should we look into him some more now that we know that C is not Anna?


Oh my GOSH...Does anyone know Williams last name???? Would someone PM me if they know it. I've been looking at a possible Brody for several days, and traced him to the Portland area.

[Dr. Doogie]

My mind is failing me. SherlockJr, can you recall the last name? I know I have it somewhere in my notes, but I cannot seem to locate it quickly. Heck, I even have a picture of the place that this William lived in Sacramento, but no name. :confused:

[Dr. Doogie]

Found it. I will PM it to you, IW.

[stealthy]

Here's a quote that I try to post and post the link to every time I see anything like this. Here is the link. Kelly is on this site, and I know all of you know who she is: http://voice4themissing.blogspot.com/2006/03/33006-pmp-sylvia-and-friends-part-i.html

The quote is from Kelly:

There are none who have passed the PREF test or any other test conducted by independent qualified persons. There is not one single documented case in which someone found a missing person using paranormal means.


My cousin came up missing last year. A psychic managed to get 500 dollars from my aunt to find her son. My aunt is on a fixed income, and we fed her for 2 months because she couldn't afford to buy food and pay her rent after paying this woman. This woman told my aunt that my cousin was out west, living off the land. The police found him a few days later, pumping gas in Branson, MO.
I will have to say that she was psychic enough to know the day that my aunt got her ssdi check, though, and go over to her house. :)

[Annasmom]

Here's a quote that I try to post and post the link to every time I see anything like this. Here is the link. Kelly is on this site, and I know all of you know who she is: http://voice4themissing.blogspot.com/2006/03/33006-pmp-sylvia-and-friends-part-i.html

The quote is from Kelly:


My cousin came up missing last year. A psychic managed to get 500 dollars from my aunt to find her son. My aunt is on a fixed income, and we fed her for 2 months because she couldn't afford to buy food and pay her rent after paying this woman. This woman told my aunt that my cousin was out west, living off the land. The police found him a few days later, pumping gas in Branson, MO.
I will have to say that she was psychic enough to know the day that my aunt got her ssdi check, though, and go over to her house. :)

Stealthy, I couldn't agree more. There's a chapter in the book, Searching for Anna, about psychics. J.B. Rhine, who led the parapsychology studies at Duke University in the 1960s, responded to our question about psychics saying that while he was sure that psychic abilities existed, he had never found a "quality control" on psychics and therefore couldn't recommend one.

And speaking of the book, Doogie has just received the proofs and says the book should be available in about a week, pending our final corrections. Details to come as soon as they're available!

[stealthy]

woohoo! I can't wait to read it!

[Cubby]

I've been hesitant to post this, but I guess I will. A few weeks ago, I had an unusual dream about Anna. Keep in mind I fell asleep on the couch with the TV on, and what was being talked about on TV was incorporated into my dream. This was also the second strange dream of the night which awoke me. the earlier dream had some relevence with Anna's KG friend who was found drowned in a puddle, but other than that the dream had no relevance on the investigation as it was me someone was trying to drown, in a water filled pot hole in the driveway of my childhood home. (ya, I know weird.)

In the dream, somehow the investigation was divided into a report card of 3. (The tv was talking about a report card on the 3 presidential candidates). I don't recall how the investigation was divided, it wasn't divided by individual posters, or theories. What I recall, is that somehow Joe Fords investigation was one of the 3 categories, and that something Joe uncovered was key, but exactly what I don't know. I do recall that whatever "it"-the answer- was, was also something that Doogie uncovered aside from Joe's investigation., but the connection between what Doug ( and maybe others discovered, as the division of 3 was not specified by individual) found and what Joe found had not yet been revealed to us.

I woke up thinking the answer was already here, in the forum, or something which had been already investigated, but we just haven't made the connection with how it fits.

Yep, strange..... but I thought I would throw it out there.

[SherlockJr]

I was asked to ask this question:

"Who is it that has a piece of blue cloth with white lace and the name Anna Waters on it?"

[Annasmom]

I was asked to ask this question:

"Who is it that has a piece of blue cloth with white lace and the name Anna Waters on it?"

I don't have an answer to this one. I will tell you that, despite my reservations about ESP (I do believe in it, but lament the fact that it can not so far give us particulars which would help) I am trying to cooperate with two members who are working with psychics. In one case, I was able to deal with something I have never been able to face before. On Christmas, 1972, less than a month before Anna disappeared, we had put the tape recorder on and just let it run to get all the conversation as the kids opened their presents. I have never been able to listen to this tape. Because one of the psychics wanted to hear Anna's voice, I made myself get the tape out and convert it to a CD. Since this has to be done in real time, I then had to listen to the whole tape. You would have thought this would leave me more a basket case than usual, but actually it was HAPPY. There was all this laughter and delight over the humblest of presents...a box of crayons, a case of soda. The first voice on the tape is Anna, saying "A RECORD PLAYER!!" Just think, these days I don't even know if a child knows what a record player is. Anyway, I wanted to tell you that this happened and that sometimes it is a good thing to be forced to do something you don't want to do and don't think you can do.

[Cubby]

I don't have an answer to this one. I will tell you that, despite my reservations about ESP (I do believe in it, but lament the fact that it can not so far give us particulars which would help) I am trying to cooperate with two members who are working with psychics. In one case, I was able to deal with something I have never been able to face before. On Christmas, 1972, less than a month before Anna disappeared, we had put the tape recorder on and just let it run to get all the conversation as the kids opened their presents. I have never been able to listen to this tape. Because one of the psychics wanted to hear Anna's voice, I made myself get the tape out and convert it to a CD. Since this has to be done in real time, I then had to listen to the whole tape. You would have thought this would leave me more a basket case than usual, but actually it was HAPPY. There was all this laughter and delight over the humblest of presents...a box of crayons, a case of soda. The first voice on the tape is Anna, saying "A RECORD PLAYER!!" Just think, these days I don't even know if a child knows what a record player is. Anyway, I wanted to tell you that this happened and that sometimes it is a good thing to be forced to do something you don't want to do and don't think you can do.

How beautiful, your last comment is so true. As for your question about children knowing what a record player is, they might, as some places still sell turntables for home use for anyone with vinyl albums. The funny comments are those who a decade ago in their 20's had no idea what an 8-track was. ;)

Thanks for sharing. Thinking outloud.. .your mom had made a quilt with Annas pic right? Could she have made something that you had forgotten that might match Sherlocks description? This reminded me of your mom calling you to tell you about the dream your grandma had about Anna IIRC.

[mel36]

I don't have an answer to this one. I will tell you that, despite my reservations about ESP (I do believe in it, but lament the fact that it can not so far give us particulars which would help) I am trying to cooperate with two members who are working with psychics. In one case, I was able to deal with something I have never been able to face before. On Christmas, 1972, less than a month before Anna disappeared, we had put the tape recorder on and just let it run to get all the conversation as the kids opened their presents. I have never been able to listen to this tape. Because one of the psychics wanted to hear Anna's voice, I made myself get the tape out and convert it to a CD. Since this has to be done in real time, I then had to listen to the whole tape. You would have thought this would leave me more a basket case than usual, but actually it was HAPPY. There was all this laughter and delight over the humblest of presents...a box of crayons, a case of soda. The first voice on the tape is Anna, saying "A RECORD PLAYER!!" Just think, these days I don't even know if a child knows what a record player is. Anyway, I wanted to tell you that this happened and that sometimes it is a good thing to be forced to do something you don't want to do and don't think you can do.

I wanted to thank you for sharing such a beautiful moment. And you are right sometimes we do have to force ourselves to do things we don't want to sometimes it even helps us to connect with happier times and the courage to push forward.:)

[Annasmom]

I was asked to ask this question:

"Who is it that has a piece of blue cloth with white lace and the name Anna Waters on it?"
I just went through everything I have stored, including a quilt which I had made for Anna, and there just isn't anything which matches this description. Does it have some special significance?

[mel36]

It sounds like a piece of a dress perhaps? I know that when I was little my mother use to write my name on the tags of my dresses and shirts. Just a thought.

[Annasmom]

It sounds like a piece of a dress perhaps? I know that when I was little my mother use to write my name on the tags of my dresses and shirts. Just a thought.

I've got blue, and I've got lace, but there is nothing at all with the two together, and nothing whatsoever made of fabric with her name written or embroidered on it. Maybe if I had a little more background about what significance this is supposed to have, I might think of somewhere else to look, but as it is, I have been into the attic, the trunks, and the storage boxes, and there's just nothing there which fits this description. Also, you KNOW that I never throw anything away!

[Annasmom]

It sounds like a piece of a dress perhaps? I know that when I was little my mother use to write my name on the tags of my dresses and shirts. Just a thought.
This isn't a very good picture, since it's sealed under glass and I can't get it directly on to the scanner, but it's a Star of Bethlehem quilt square I made from pieces of Anna's dresses. I sent it to my mother one Christmas after 1973, and she returned it to me when she moved to the senior community this year. It is possible that I wrote Anna's name on the back of the quilt square to explain what it was, but I don't want to unseal the picture unless it is important. There's no lace, but maybe the paisley is like lace or something.

[SherlockJr]

I just went through everything I have stored, including a quilt which I had made for Anna, and there just isn't anything which matches this description. Does it have some special significance?

I'm sure it was a vision that the physic saw. As for having some special significance, I don't have an answer to this question yet. What color is the binder that Anna's grandmother has the typed manuscript in? Is there lace on this binder?

[Annasmom]

I'm sure it was a vision that the physic saw. As for having some special significance, I don't have an answer to this question yet. What color is the binder that Anna's grandmother has the typed manuscript in? Is there lace on this binder?

Imagine your remembering that binder! I'd almost forgotten it myself, now that the regular book is out. It's possible that there was lace on the binder..but all Mother's pictures are in storage and impossible to get to right now. It would be helpful if the psychic could tell us what significance such a thing might have; then we'd know how much more effort to put into trying to locate it or whatever resembles it. From our point of view, even if such a thing existed, it would not have had any special significance to Anna or to me or the rest of the family. Now, if some unknown person was collecting pictures of Anna and had them in such a binder, then we'd want to know more about that person.

[Cubby]

I thought scrapbook when Sherlock mentioned the manuscript.