Michelle Young. Murdered Pregnant Mom, NC Part 13

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GRRRRRRRRRRRR,


I even checked first, the number was about 150 less than the usual "turn-over".

All I can say is that y'all missed it tonight....Oh well, too late, can't remember, but something in there about RC and his foxes.

Sami, IF you get a chance...would you explain to me all the holes in my theory.



WHAT IF, someone were to take a shower, but they were a tad messy, like MY male. Getting something "DRY"- really DRY, IMO, is beyond the "Y" chromosome.

Later, a little girl with semi-dried blood on her little feet should traipses through that same room.

Would there be a difference in what the CSIs saw?

Thanks Samiya


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[pack_fan]

GRRRRRRRRRRRR,


I even checked first, the number was about 150 less than the usual "turn-over".

All I can say is that y'all missed it tonight....Oh well, too late, can't remember, but something in there about RC and his foxes.

Sami, IF you get a chance...would you explain to me all the holes in my theory.



WHAT IF, someone were to take a shower, but they were a tad messy, like MY male. Getting something "DRY"- really DRY, IMO, is beyond the "Y" chromosome.

Later, a little girl with semi-dried blood on her little feet should traipses through that same room.

Would there be a difference in what the CSIs saw?

Thanks Samiya


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My guess would be that it would not leave a print as suggested by other posters but rather more of a smear if mixed with water. Depending on the amount of water I suppose. I also beleive that it would have to be rather fresh rather than dried. I don't beleive that water would make dried or semi-dried blood turn back to liquid form but I don't really know. There are posters here a lot smarter than me who could probably answer this for you.

[Samiya]

Sami, IF you get a chance...would you explain to me all the holes in my theory.

WHAT IF, someone were to take a shower, but they were a tad messy, like MY male. Getting something "DRY"- really DRY, IMO, is beyond the "Y" chromosome.

Later, a little girl with semi-dried blood on her little feet should traipses through that same room.

Would there be a difference in what the CSIs saw?

Thanks Samiya


:blowkiss:
If there was water on the floor and the blood on Cassidy's feet had congealed, there is a possibility of the water on the floor being pink stained. Someone would have to ask their DNA friend about 'watered down blood and getting DNA' because that is wayyyy beyond me.

There probably would be some kind of pattern if the water pool was bigger than Cassidy's foot, but the wetter the blood is, the more dispersion in a pool of water, and more so than with only blood there would certainly be drips from the motion of walking.

hugs
Sami

Don't forget candles for Michelle starting at midnight tonight....although my biggest hugs to those who have started early! We have 35 candles lit in Michelle's honour and I am tickled pink!

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=MMFY

Thanks everyone

love
Sami
xxx

[5bigfish5]

If there was water on the floor and the blood on Cassidy's feet had congealed, there is a possibility of the water on the floor being pink stained. Someone would have to ask their DNA friend about 'watered down blood and getting DNA' because that is wayyyy beyond me.

There probably would be some kind of pattern if the water pool was bigger than Cassidy's foot, but the wetter the blood is, the more dispersion in a pool of water, and more so than with only blood there would certainly be drips from the motion of walking.

hugs
Sami

Don't forget candles for Michelle starting at midnight tonight....although my biggest hugs to those who have started early! We have 35 candles lit in Michelle's honour and I am tickled pink!

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=MMFY

Thanks everyone

love
Sami
xxx
Thanks Pack & Sami,

I really wasn't that worried about a bunch of water, just good & wet.


I was just wondering if, $hit, what do I know..we don't even know the flooring...nevermind.

I am NOT crazy. CTV makes me that way!

XXOO

[pack_fan]

Thanks Pack & Sami,

I really wasn't that worried about a bunch of water, just good & wet.


I was just wondering if, $hit, what do I know..we don't even know the flooring...nevermind.

I am NOT crazy. CTV makes me that way!

XXOO
Most likely tile. Just a guess but I think this home and neighborhood is too "upscale" to have linolium. Just a guess though.

I'm not sure I'm buying that there are footprints in the bathroom and not in the hallway. If Cassidy wandered in while the perp is showering or has showered, there would be blood in the hall. If there was no blood in the hall, I don't really beleive that water in the floor would have caused footprints. If it was dried enough not to stain carpet, I doubt it would come off in water to make a print or prints.

The other scenario was that she was carried to the bathroom. A perp that cared enough to carry her to the bathroom to clean off her feet would not imo be able to leave that dear child in the house with her dead mother.

I also think that the scene did not look like it did the day of the murder. By the time the family came in, LE had been in the house for a while and things were moved, I bet they had taken carpet possibly, sheetrock, other evidence that would have changed the appearance of the house.

All jmo of course....

[Samiya]

Most likely tile. Just a guess but I think this home and neighborhood is too "upscale" to have linolium. Just a guess though.

I'm not sure I'm buying that there are footprints in the bathroom and not in the hallway. If Cassidy wandered in while the perp is showering or has showered, there would be blood in the hall. If there was no blood in the hall, I don't really beleive that water in the floor would have caused footprints. If it was dried enough not to stain carpet, I doubt it would come off in water to make a print or prints.

The other scenario was that she was carried to the bathroom. A perp that cared enough to carry her to the bathroom to clean off her feet would not imo be able to leave that dear child in the house with her dead mother.

I also think that the scene did not look like it did the day of the murder. By the time the family came in, LE had been in the house for a while and things were moved, I bet they had taken carpet possibly, sheetrock, other evidence that would have changed the appearance of the house.

All jmo of course....
I have to agree with you on that. If the hall is carpetted as well as the bedroom, the carpet would've 'removed' the blood from underneath the feet mostly. The collected blood would've been up the sides of her feet and between her toes by the time she got to the bathroom.

When I wrote *There probably would be some kind of pattern if the water pool was bigger than Cassidy's foot, but the wetter the blood is, the more dispersion in a pool of water, and more so than with only blood there would certainly be drips from the motion of walking.*

I should have clarified that the pattern would be like a pinkish 'swirling' in the water, not necessarily a 'foot pattern' on the floor.

Sami

[Barney Fife]

It is too funny that JY's sister is playing CSI with the blood in the bath and the lack of prints elsewhere. CCBI was there for 11 days. They know what they have and are acting on it. They don't need JY's sister questioning a missing "tooth" and where or where not bloody tracks lead.

[jilly]

It is too funny that JY's sister is playing CSI with the blood in the bath and the lack of prints elsewhere. CCBI was there for 11 days. They know what they have and are acting on it. They don't need JY's sister questioning a missing "tooth" and where or where not bloody tracks lead.

This is why I love the fact that LE is keeping everything close to the vest. These people are more hungrier for information than we are to the point of exasperation and nervous wrecks. We can see that because everytime they're up against the wall another boulder is hurled at Meredith.

As each day goes by it gives me pleasure to think that JY has sweated out another one. That "crying towel" must be pretty wet by now!!

[Samiya]

This was a beautiful feeling when at 11:59pm on Michelle's birthday I counted 105 candles all burning brightly at the candles website in honour of Michelle.

Thank you to all who participated.

Sami
xxx

[scandi]

It was wonderful Sami, I even saw your daughters candle! I went back this afternoon and did one from my nik at CTV, so I took two spots, but each had a different thought.

Somehow I see any woman who is murdered while with child, as being held by angels, together with her bebe. It just has to be that way.


Nitey Nite all Scandi

[nanandjim]

I have to agree with you on that. If the hall is carpetted as well as the bedroom, the carpet would've 'removed' the blood from underneath the feet mostly. The collected blood would've been up the sides of her feet and between her toes by the time she got to the bathroom.

When I wrote *There probably would be some kind of pattern if the water pool was bigger than Cassidy's foot, but the wetter the blood is, the more dispersion in a pool of water, and more so than with only blood there would certainly be drips from the motion of walking.*

I should have clarified that the pattern would be like a pinkish 'swirling' in the water, not necessarily a 'foot pattern' on the floor.

Sami
I just saw something on CTV last night that I think may have been used in this case. LE used luminol to track the killer's steps. Luminol can work on very faint prints that a killer would most likely miss. Surely, there was blood everywhere. Even if the killer tried to clean up his footprints, I bet that he didn't get them all. Plus, the luminol probably would highlight the areas that where the attempted cleaning occurred.

If the killer showered after the murder, I believe the police know this. I bet they have reconstructed what happened that night. I only wish that MY had been able to injure her murderer. However, I'm not sure that happened. It would have been great had they been able to find JY's blood mixed with MY's at the scene.

I really think that the police know who committed the crime. I think that they have pieced together what happened before and after the crime. I guess that they are waiting for that one definitive piece of evidence to jump out at them. I hope that they find it, and justice can be done for MY and her family.

[jilly]

I'm thinking that they can't place him at the crime scene mainly because of the questionairre they gave out to all the neighbors a week or so ago.

[nanandjim]

I'm thinking that they can't place him at the crime scene mainly because of the questionairre they gave out to all the neighbors a week or so ago.
Maybe, they gave the questionnaire to rule out strangers. You know how the defense will say that there was a rush to judgment, that they focused on JY immediately and didn't look for alternatives. Perhaps, they are asking the neighbors if they saw anything strange going on in the neighborhood, to include strange people and strange vehicles.

Perhaps, they have a purely circumstantial case that they are building. By ruling out the possibility of a stranger, it will become obviously clear that the evidence then all points to one person. ==> The husband.

[jilly]

Maybe, they gave the questionnaire to rule out strangers. You know how the defense will say that there was a rush to judgment, that they focused on JY immediately and didn't look for alternatives. Perhaps, they are asking the neighbors if they saw anything strange going on in the neighborhood, to include strange people and strange vehicles.

Perhaps, they have a purely circumstantial case that they are building. By ruling out the possibility of a stranger, it will become obviously clear that the evidence then all points to one person. ==> The husband.

I hope so Nan - gosh we can't even get a leak on what was in this questionairre and they've apparently given this out to a whole bunch of people and not just immediate neighbors!!!

[jilly]

I just saw something on CTV last night that I think may have been used in this case. LE used luminol to track the killer's steps. Luminol can work on very faint prints that a killer would most likely miss. Surely, there was blood everywhere. Even if the killer tried to clean up his footprints, I bet that he didn't get them all. Plus, the luminol probably would highlight the areas that where the attempted cleaning occurred.

If the killer showered after the murder, I believe the police know this. I bet they have reconstructed what happened that night. I only wish that MY had been able to injure her murderer. However, I'm not sure that happened. It would have been great had they been able to find JY's blood mixed with MY's at the scene.

I really think that the police know who committed the crime. I think that they have pieced together what happened before and after the crime. I guess that they are waiting for that one definitive piece of evidence to jump out at them. I hope that they find it, and justice can be done for MY and her family.

I would think he's missed a few spots too especially since he's cleaning in artificial light. Most bedrooms aren't known for having bright lighting and it was in the middle of the nite.

I hope Michelle did manage to scratch him or something. There would be a good chance with the strangling part provided he didn't have gloves on otherwise, after that attempt I think she went into defensive mode as in holding her head.

[scandi]

It is too funny that JY's sister is playing CSI with the blood in the bath and the lack of prints elsewhere. CCBI was there for 11 days. They know what they have and are acting on it. They don't need JY's sister questioning a missing "tooth" and where or where not bloody tracks lead.

Good to see you back posting ~ missed 'ya!

Did you also notice that in one post Gojo as much as said - well he did say that the posts that ended with a certain wording were done by JY? I was surprised he let on to this. Something like - and all that. Gosh, I'll have to try and find that post. It was yesterday.

[scandi]

I just saw something on CTV last night that I think may have been used in this case. LE used luminol to track the killer's steps. Luminol can work on very faint prints that a killer would most likely miss. Surely, there was blood everywhere. Even if the killer tried to clean up his footprints, I bet that he didn't get them all. Plus, the luminol probably would highlight the areas that where the attempted cleaning occurred.

If the killer showered after the murder, I believe the police know this. I bet they have reconstructed what happened that night. I only wish that MY had been able to injure her murderer. However, I'm not sure that happened. It would have been great had they been able to find JY's blood mixed with MY's at the scene.

I really think that the police know who committed the crime. I think that they have pieced together what happened before and after the crime. I guess that they are waiting for that one definitive piece of evidence to jump out at them. I hope that they find it, and justice can be done for MY and her family.

Hi Nana! I think the killer must have walked either barefoot or with socks {sans shoes}, because acc to Charlie there was a test given to JY which was making a print of his feet. And it had to do with what the print would look like on carpeting.

If they had this it might be a good tell tale sign he walked on the carpet with wet or bloody feet, but the test might have been inconclusive. I see that a lot in CSI shows, and not strong enough to illicit an arrest. ;{

[scandi]

I hope so Nan - gosh we can't even get a leak on what was in this questionairre and they've apparently given this out to a whole bunch of people and not just immediate neighbors!!!

Hi ya Jilly! I read RaleighResident's post on that subject, and the questionaire wasn't sent out, but rather delivered personally by an officer and the questions filled out with the officer. One on One basis.

RR mentioned something about posting on boards in regard to this questionaire, and the officers who knocked on his door said it had nothing to do with posting on boards, so they probably knew RR did that. But I have this feeling they told him to please not post the particular questions on line :rolleyes: I've asked that of RR a couple of times, and he won't even address it.

[jilly]

Hi ya Jilly! I read RaleighResident's post on that subject, and the questionaire wasn't sent out, but rather delivered personally by an officer and the questions filled out with the officer. One on One basis.

RR mentioned something about posting on boards in regard to this questionaire, and the officers who knocked on his door said it had nothing to do with posting on boards, so they probably knew RR did that. But I have this feeling they told him to please not post the particular questions on line :rolleyes: I've asked that of RR a couple of times, and he won't even address it.

Hi ya Scandi! :) Yes I got the part about personal delivery but I didn't realize it was filled out with an officer. So that is good - no one can make a copy of it. Kind of surprised they waited so long to do this - memories can fade quickly (especially mine! :crazy: )

I agree they must have asked RR not to post. That's good because I don't want JY getting any freebies here. These message boards are something else!

[raisincharlie]

Gonna go out on a limb here and say the following:

IMO JY's alibi cannot be solid, there is a hole in it somewhere and LE knows it. I say this because as late as 8 February 2007, LE is still obtaining warrants that relate to JY and his actions prior to the murder of Michelle. JY is still the focus of this investigation, he has not been ruled out, he is a POI, IMO. If he were not any of these things or if he were ruled out by his alibi being solid, there would have been no warrant obtained relating to his activities prior to the murder this late in the investigation. JMO of course.


Some photos from Michelle's memorial service:

http://www.statiaphotography.com/memorial/ppages/ppage1.htm

[jilly]

Gonna go out on a limb here and say the following:

IMO JY's alibi cannot be solid, there is a hole in it somewhere and LE knows it. I say this because as late as 8 February 2007, LE is still obtaining warrants that relate to JY and his actions prior to the murder of Michelle. JY is still the focus of this investigation, he has not been ruled out, he is a POI, IMO. If he were not any of these things or if he were ruled out by his alibi being solid, there would have been no warrant obtained relating to his activities prior to the murder this late in the investigation. JMO of course.


Some photos from Michelle's memorial service:

http://www.statiaphotography.com/memorial/ppages/ppage1.htm

Good to see ya! You're like the foundation here and it's a real void when you're not around!!

Saw the pictures over at CTV. Quite a large crowd and I'm happy that Linda and Meredith got all that support.

Did you notice RPDs post about checking the Hampton Inns - 5 of them I think including the one he thinks JY stayed at. Only 1 of them had exit security so you were right about some having security and some not.

I agree the alibi has a hole - maybe a big one for the time he was supposed to be sleeping?

Boy, if he did this, I sure hope he's not going to get away with it.

[scandi]

Thanks Charlie for the photos. Really great weren't they?

Gee I was already missing you LOL Thought you were on your way across the Atlantic to Germany. If you are, have a safe trip Charlie. Have a great trip too!

[close_enough]

Gonna go out on a limb here and say the following:

IMO JY's alibi cannot be solid, there is a hole in it somewhere and LE knows it. I say this because as late as 8 February 2007, LE is still obtaining warrants that relate to JY and his actions prior to the murder of Michelle. JY is still the focus of this investigation, he has not been ruled out, he is a POI, IMO. If he were not any of these things or if he were ruled out by his alibi being solid, there would have been no warrant obtained relating to his activities prior to the murder this late in the investigation. JMO of course.


Some photos from Michelle's memorial service:

http://www.statiaphotography.com/memorial/ppages/ppage1.htm

welcome 'home' RC!!

i agree...i think LE has a problem with where JY was betw midnight & 6 am...i think it's as simple as that....they can't actually PUT him in the home during that time, which was when Michelle was murdered.....i still believe that's what the hold up is....jmo:)

[raisincharlie]

Thanks Charlie for the photos. Really great weren't they?

Gee I was already missing you LOL Thought you were on your way across the Atlantic to Germany. If you are, have a safe trip Charlie. Have a great trip too!
Not yet luv - in Miami. I had a very nice drive down here though. Got my car in the crate today, packed away safely and loaded on the boat. It leaves tonight. I'm here through thursday night. IRL open test at Miami Homestead Speedway on Weds and Thurs - have to have my DP fix before I go you know? I leave Friday morning for Germany so I have a bit of time. Not big on tv so just roaming around here - at least its halfway warm here and I am enjoying the ocean.

Yes, I was glad to see such a large group assembled to remember Michelle. I did light a candle per Sami's suggestion. Must have been a very tough day for the Fishers but I see a few smiles - I think Michelle would like the smiles. Hopefully things will begin to align and the murderer will soon be brought to justice. I see nothing has happened so far this weekend - I have a feeling it will be soon.

[raisincharlie]

welcome 'home' RC!!

i agree...i think LE has a problem with where JY was betw midnight & 6 am...i think it's as simple as that....they can't actually PUT him in the home during that time, which was when Michelle was murdered.....i still believe that's what the hold up is....jmo:)

I wish we knew that answer Close !

Seems like the most recent warrant goes more to motive - you may be right.

[close_enough]

I wish we knew that answer Close !

Seems like the most recent warrant goes more to motive - you may be right.

exactly RC.....

hoping one of these mornings i'm going to wake up, get online, check in here, & there will be a thread titled "an arrest has been made".....

[raisincharlie]

Good to see ya! You're like the foundation here and it's a real void when you're not around!!

Saw the pictures over at CTV. Quite a large crowd and I'm happy that Linda and Meredith got all that support.

Did you notice RPDs post about checking the Hampton Inns - 5 of them I think including the one he thinks JY stayed at. Only 1 of them had exit security so you were right about some having security and some not.

I agree the alibi has a hole - maybe a big one for the time he was supposed to be sleeping?

Boy, if he did this, I sure hope he's not going to get away with it.
Jilly,

I'm avoiding CTV as the bozos, I mean the gojos, are making me nuts. Glad RPD checked out some of the Hampton Inns, I know if you explain a good reason to them for asking about security, most of the time they will tell you what the setup is.

Have faith - if JY did it - he will not get away with it. I think by now LE has no doubts about if it were a stranger or JY himself. JMO of course but it seems to me as of Feb 8, LE is still targeting him, whether it was done by his own hand or at the hand of another - JY is involved. LE will get him.

[scandi]

I was going to say the palm print and the bare foot print LE made from Jy should mean something, don't you think?

I can't see where Michell would put her hand on the wall if she was on the bed and they while struggling with him fell onto the floor. So I was thinking the palm print was that of the killer. Wish we knew the layout of the MBr - where the bed was in relationship to the room, the walls, the table with the lamp, which side she slept on, etc.

Are you going to be in a car race Charlie in Germany?

[raisincharlie]

I was going to say the palm print and the bare foot print LE made from Jy should mean something, don't you think?

I can't see where Michell would put her hand on the wall if she was on the bed and they while struggling with him fell onto the floor. So I was thinking the palm print was that of the killer. Wish we knew the layout of the MBr - where the bed was in relationship to the room, the walls, the table with the lamp, which side she slept on, etc.

Are you going to be in a car race Charlie in Germany?
Scandi,

I do think in particular the foot prints and measurements taken of JY under the NTO have some great significance. Just my thought but i believe that special machine had something to do with being able to trace the killer's footsteps - if they were bare this would explain both the prints and the measurements. In my mind this is what LE has. I think it is also possible there may be some other kind of print, palm or finger, that may have been wiped down but with technology was still found.

No car race for me - I go over every year for dressage training clinics to upgrade my training skills and to be re-certified as a dressage trainer. Have to keep up with the Europeans ! I will get to do a couple of road rallys while there however. Always fun and always fast !

[Dominique]

One of the Gojo's or the Bogo's or the Gogo's or whate'rr they/he/she/ are just posted that Mrs. Fisher has accused JY of murdering Michelle.


We knew it...they let it slip!

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?postid=9150407#post9150407

they were a bit peeved too, about 'our comments' ..in light of the memorial...

"I believe if Jason had been at the memorial service, he would not have been welcome. Mrs. Fisher has already accused Jason of murdering her daughter."

Gee, Gojo I II III OR IV...y'a think? :doh:

[raisincharlie]

One of the Gojo's or the Bogo's or the Gogo's or whate'rr they/he/she/ are just posted that Mrs. Fisher has accused JY of murdering Michelle.


We knew it...they let it slip!

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?postid=9150407#post9150407

they were a bit peeved too, about 'our comments' ..in light of the memorial...

"I believe if Jason had been at the memorial service, he would not have been welcome. Mrs. Fisher has already accused Jason of murdering her daughter."

Gee, Gojo I II III OR IV...y'a think? :doh:
Evening Ms. Dominique !

Quess this should be no surprise to anyone who watched the video footage from the funeral or to anyone who actually listened to the statement Mrs. Fisher made. But it does pretty well confirm that Jy would be very inclined to refuse Mrs. Fisher the right to see Cassidy - not because it is inconvenient. The gojo's are deepening the hole rather than covering it over. JMO

[chicoliving]

I do think in particular the foot prints and measurements taken of JY under the NTO have some great significance. Just my thought but i believe that special machine had something to do with being able to trace the killer's footsteps - if they were bare this would explain both the prints and the measurements. In my mind this is what LE has. I think it is also possible there may be some other kind of print, palm or finger, that may have been wiped down but with technology was still found.


I think so too! Early on one of the investigators (have no idea who or what agency he was actually with) mentioned that special equipment but did not expand his discussion on this equip. Was it machine that he said?? Anyway, it really stuck in my mind not so much what he said but what he didn't say. Nothing to add, just struck my memory nerve :)

[raisincharlie]

I think so too! Early on one of the investigators (have no idea who or what agency he was actually with) mentioned that special equipment but did not expand his discussion on this equip. Was it machine that he said?? Anyway, it really stuck in my mind not so much what he said but what he didn't say. Nothing to add, just struck my memory nerve :)Yes it was some kind of machine and I remember this same reference. I agree it was not what he said but what he didn't say that was significant in that quote. My thought is the killer cleaned up in the home and also tried to clean up certain aspects of the crime itself. I think this is one aspect that was combined into the non - random theory LE concluded in the very begining.

Nice to see you Chico - hope you are doing well ;)

[chicoliving]

Good to see you too! Stay safe on your travels :)

[Dominique]

Evening Ms. Dominique !

Quess this should be no surprise to anyone who watched the video footage from the funeral or to anyone who actually listened to the statement Mrs. Fisher made. But it does pretty well confirm that Jy would be very inclined to refuse Mrs. Fisher the right to see Cassidy - not because it is inconvenient. The gojo's are deepening the hole rather than covering it over. JMO

RC, you are a sage and gentleman. They are deepening their own non-foxhole w/each and every posting!

No cover ups from us! How they are using Cassie is a SHAME. Children and Grandchildren are sacred...my bebes love my mom and my ex's mom so much...they get so much from each of them and i could not care less what my former mil has to think or say about me (so long as our bebes are excluded, if not, all bets off).

It is a double injury to the Fishers that JY and yes, his family by supporting him, does.

Godspeed justice and the aforementioned cannot come soon enough.

[Samiya]

RC, you are a sage and gentleman. They are deepening their own non-foxhole w/each and every posting!

No cover ups from us! How they are using Cassie is a SHAME. Children and Grandchildren are sacred...my bebes love my mom and my ex's mom so much...they get so much from each of them and i could not care less what my former mil has to think or say about me (so long as our bebes are excluded, if not, all bets off).

It is a double injury to the Fishers that JY and yes, his family by supporting him, does.

Godspeed justice and the aforementioned cannot come soon enough.**wondering**

Would he have done this very thing if he and Michelle were just divorcing? Taking off with Cassidy and using her to bring Michelle under 'control'....

End of thought....

Now excuse me while I mull over 'double agents', lmao

Sami

[jilly]

Jilly,

I'm avoiding CTV as the bozos, I mean the gojos, are making me nuts. Glad RPD checked out some of the Hampton Inns, I know if you explain a good reason to them for asking about security, most of the time they will tell you what the setup is.

Have faith - if JY did it - he will not get away with it. I think by now LE has no doubts about if it were a stranger or JY himself. JMO of course but it seems to me as of Feb 8, LE is still targeting him, whether it was done by his own hand or at the hand of another - JY is involved. LE will get him.

:laugh: bozos!! I'm getting fed up with them too. Very irritating.

Thanks for the pep talk! :) I needed it!

[scandi]

I'm not going to post there anymore I don't think. I just posted that Jay is disgusting! It completely takes away from the discussion at hand every time he tries a new way to put down women!

[Taximom]

She would have been 30. :( :( :(

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1207575/

Posted: Feb. 18 6:20 p.m.

SAYVILLE, N.Y. — Friends and family gathered this weekend to celebrate what would have been Michelle Young's 30th birthday.

Young’s mother, Linda Fisher, led the service from a church in Sayville, New York, where Young originally came from.

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Happy Birthday, Michelle.
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On another note, what the heck am I missing at the other site?

[scandi]

Just after I read your post about the machine Charlie, I was watching CTV and on this show they were telling about this machine that can do a diagram of the crime scene and the location of everything - It was like a photo of the blood spatter, footprints, fingerpriints and then the body in a big photograph that you could zoom in on or out.

But I think your idea showing where the killer had cleaned up and seeing into what he did by the washes and remnants of blood is a very good one. It does fit with this machine I saw on the show - Forensic Files I think. At least now I know there is a machine that does this.

Maybe it helped them with the adult footprints that we have questioned. If those prints were in a cushy carpeting, for instance, maybe it could determine their pattern, depth of the print and exact weight of a person required to make that print, plus maybe show where the killer walked back and forth.

Scandi

[jilly]

I'm not going to post there anymore I don't think. I just posted that Jay is disgusting! It completely takes away from the discussion at hand every time he tries a new way to put down women!

I put him on ignore awhile back and yet so many keep responding & quoting him so I continue to see his posts. If everyone would just ignore him then he would get tired of talking to himself.

You're right. He is disgusting and I'm glad you posted that! I have about 5 on ignore and it's much easier to catch up.

[jilly]

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Happy Birthday, Michelle.
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On another note, what the heck am I missing at the other site?

Not much. One of the "bozos" yesterday gave some reasons why JY wasn't at the memorial. One of them was he didn't want to take the spotlight off Michelle (sound like SP??). S/he also said Linda Fisher had accused him of murdering Michelle.

It seems that he won't let LF see Cassidy - he's sending her pictures.
I feel so bad for LF.

[curious1]

snip...

Some photos from Michelle's memorial service:

http://www.statiaphotography.com/memorial/ppages/ppage1.htmThanks for the photos RC. You know, I really liked that everyone was not all weepy the whole time. It looks like people were remembering the good times with Michelle and I could almost hear the 'and what about the time....that was sooo funny'. I think that's good that so many people had so many good memories of Michelle and could smile when they thought about her. What happened to her was not who she was and they seem to be able to grasp that. JMHO

[Taximom]

Thanks for the info, jilly. Having some pc difficulties here! :banghead:

[raisincharlie]

**wondering**

Would he have done this very thing if he and Michelle were just divorcing? Taking off with Cassidy and using her to bring Michelle under 'control'....

End of thought....

Now excuse me while I mull over 'double agents', lmao

Sami
Sami,

You are a tricky one ! Would JY have done this if it was just a divorce - IMO this is the primary motivation as it stands right now. JY taking Cassidy to control Michelle would never work here in the states. Most of the time custody goes to the mother unless she can be proved to be unfit which I do not think would have been the case. The worst thing JY could have done with a pending divorce would be to take off with the child, almost a guarantee that he would never have more than supervised visitation with Cassidy.

Just my opinion but I think a divorce was looming, thus Cassidy was not hurt, he wanted Cassidy but not Michelle. Here he was not going to have primary custody of the baby. Just a thought back at you ! :D

[raisincharlie]

Just after I read your post about the machine Charlie, I was watching CTV and on this show they were telling about this machine that can do a diagram of the crime scene and the location of everything - It was like a photo of the blood spatter, footprints, fingerpriints and then the body in a big photograph that you could zoom in on or out.

But I think your idea showing where the killer had cleaned up and seeing into what he did by the washes and remnants of blood is a very good one. It does fit with this machine I saw on the show - Forensic Files I think. At least now I know there is a machine that does this.

Maybe it helped them with the adult footprints that we have questioned. If those prints were in a cushy carpeting, for instance, maybe it could determine their pattern, depth of the print and exact weight of a person required to make that print, plus maybe show where the killer walked back and forth.

Scandi
Scandi,

This is the kind of scenario I think of when thinking of that machine that was brought in. I think they were able to track the footsteps of the killer and most likely can come up with a size and characteristics of the killer's feet.:)

[raisincharlie]

Not much. One of the "bozos" yesterday gave some reasons why JY wasn't at the memorial. One of them was he didn't want to take the spotlight off Michelle (sound like SP??). S/he also said Linda Fisher had accused him of murdering Michelle.

It seems that he won't let LF see Cassidy - he's sending her pictures.
I feel so bad for LF.
Makes you wonder how much Mrs. Fisher knew about the marriage to conclude that JY murdered her daughter doesn't it ? She obviously has her reasons.

[raisincharlie]

I put him on ignore awhile back and yet so many keep responding & quoting him so I continue to see his posts. If everyone would just ignore him then he would get tired of talking to himself.

You're right. He is disgusting and I'm glad you posted that! I have about 5 on ignore and it's much easier to catch up.
The same should hold true for the gojo bozos - everyone needs to ignore them - they will get nothing out of them except bs for one simple reason that seems to be lost on them - they know nothing in reality, most likely. If they do JY has put them in a very bad spot if he told them anything. Most likely the lawyer has advised the family and friends not to ask JY anything for this very reason. If any of them is ever placed on the stand - if they know something they will be placed in the postion of either lying to protect JY thus opening themselves to perjury charges or they will have to tell the truth which may be hurtful to JYs case. So I am not sure why posters seem to think they will get anything from them but grief. JMO.

[jilly]

Makes you wonder how much Mrs. Fisher knew about the marriage to conclude that JY murdered her daughter doesn't it ? She obviously has her reasons.

I'll bet JY was happy to hear her accuse him - gave him the opportunity for payback by slamming the door between her and Cassidy. What a guy!

[jilly]

The same should hold true for the gojo bozos - everyone needs to ignore them - they will get nothing out of them except bs for one simple reason that seems to be lost on them - they know nothing in reality, most likely. If they do JY has put them in a very bad spot if he told them anything. Most likely the lawyer has advised the family and friends not to ask JY anything for this very reason. If any of them is ever placed on the stand - if they know something they will be placed in the postion of either lying to protect JY thus opening themselves to perjury charges or they will have to tell the truth which may be hurtful to JYs case. So I am not sure why posters seem to think they will get anything from them but grief. JMO.

I'm guilty! :( I got a little carried away today. It just irks me when they bring up Meredith. I'm also empathizing with Linda Fisher. I will try and take your advice. :)

[scandi]

Scandi,

This is the kind of scenario I think of when thinking of that machine that was brought in. I think they were able to track the footsteps of the killer and most likely can come up with a size and characteristics of the killer's feet.:)

Me too Charlie, We have wondered what this machine was all about. We still can only guess. I don't know how often there are new shows on Forensic Files. But I almost fainted when they mentioned the machine that can diagram a crime scene to give investigators an overall look at the crime scene. I had just read your post and looked up at my TV and watched the rest of the show.

It was a carmudgeonic looking machine, somewhat squat and low to the ground with slatted vents across the front, which was rounded. Boxy looking and maybe had a handle. I think they designed it to save time in the mental process of putting a crime together.

They still have to do all the testing of blood, fluids and prints, but the time involved of meticulously putting up string to find the direction the weapon or bullet traveled when it hit the victim, which is quite involved and takes time. I've seen Dr Lee with 30 or so strings clipped to the wall, showing ultimately where the killer was standing when the blows were thrown, and if he moved in the process of doing that, the progress of his moves.

I'm thinking the spongy-type footprints of an adult threw them for a loop.
They were probably hard to discern as they wouldn't be solid prints with a lot of wet blood, possibly watered down as has been discussed here. What this machine would do is bring these shapes with their depths and side angles to the forefront so they could calculate the size and weight of that person, and yes, characteristics of the person's feet!

All in all, it would be just one piece of the puzzle the DA has set forth, needing full completion, so she can know in her mind that this will be a solid case to prosecute.

I wish we had a Sleuth in the court house so we would know if there is a
GJ working on the case at this time. :rolleyes:

[scandi]

Makes you wonder how much Mrs. Fisher knew about the marriage to conclude that JY murdered her daughter doesn't it ? She obviously has her reasons.

Remember we heard right after the funeral that both Michelle's Mom and Meredith thought JY was guilty. It was from an early 'insider' who had few total posts, like they dropped in to give a few nuggets and that was it.

They had reason I am sure IMHO.

[chicoliving]

Something like this?? about halfway down the page

http://www.crimeandclues.com/news.htm

[Taximom]

Something like this?? about halfway down the page

http://www.crimeandclues.com/news.htm
Wow, chicoliving, you just gave me goosebumps.

[scandi]

Me too Tazimom. LOL That Chico of ours is the Sleuther with the mostest to find that site! WOW is all I can say after reading about these inovatiions.

The Salient Stills machine works off of digital video surveillance I think, and so although I think it accomplishes the creation of a crime scene, I don't think our Sheriffs office were dealing with video. They take photos, I think, and there was no digital video that I have seen the Youngs had installed in their house. Don't we wish!

The system listed right below that, the "Tracer Forensic Lasar system - the ultimate tool for trace evidence detection, particularly of latent prints . . ." sounds to me like it fits. Now if the Salient Stills machine can take this same evidence and show a video diagram of the crime scene, that is what I saw on FF's.

Whatever Chico, I think you have discovered what this investigative team needed to make clear sense of what they saw at that crime scene. Thanks so much. Now it makes sense. LE needed an edge with the complicated crime scene they beheld. The most terrible one they had seen in 20+ years.

And I bet they have a video generated print out that will be trial qualified in its accuracy of what went on in that bedroom on Nov 3rd. It might be a very interesting trial, which might have to prove accreditation of this result from the machine, to be approved as evidenciary in the case.

Scandi

[Dominique]

Me too Tazimom. LOL That Chico of ours is the Sleuther with the mostest to find that site! WOW is all I can say after reading about these inovatiions.

The Salient Stills machine works off of digital video surveillance I think, and so although I think it accomplishes the creation of a crime scene, I don't think our Sheriffs office were dealing with video. They take photos, I think, and there was no digital video that I have seen the Youngs had installed in their house. Don't we wish!

The system listed right below that, the "Tracer Forensic Lasar system - the ultimate tool for trace evidence detection, particularly of latent prints . . ." sounds to me like it fits. Now if the Salient Stills machine can take this same evidence and show a video diagram of the crime scene, that is what I saw on FF's.

Whatever Chico, I think you have discovered what this investigative team needed to make clear sense of what they saw at that crime scene. Thanks so much. Now it makes sense. LE needed an edge with the complicated crime scene they beheld. The most terrible one they had seen in 20+ years.

And I bet they have a video generated print out that will be trial qualified in its accuracy of what went on in that bedroom on Nov 3rd. It might be a very interesting trial, which might have to prove accreditation of this result from the machine, to be approved as evidenciary in the case.

Scandi

The Tracer sounds plausible as a special machine...now, how do we find out which local or state LE agency has one? :cool: How do we find out, too, how they loan it out and if the Wake Co. Sheriff's Dept. has been a loanee before.

[scandi]

Hi Dominique,

Hmmmmm I wonder if this machine would be used by the ME's forensic investigative team or a county criminalist? I could see it both ways, but probably the ME's office, right?

We do have an 'in' with that office ;) in our Barney! I bet he could call them to ask about the machine and who would be the agency to develop footprints and map them out in the crime scene. Like Charlie, I think they will be very important. They will not be conclusive enough to maybe put him at the scene, but we don't know that.

Say if the carpet is Berber, there wouldn't be much indentation and definition of the foot. But if his feet were wet and had blood on them, they would leave marks to test. How many people could have been barefoot in the house to leave squishy foorprints with possible blood? Haa Haa Haa I don't think an intruder would take off his shoes, do you?

Think he'll try? LOLOLOL

[Dominique]

Hi Dominique,

Hmmmmm I wonder if this machine would be used by the ME's forensic investigative team or a county criminalist? I could see it both ways, but probably the ME's office, right?

We do have an 'in' with that office ;) in our Barney! I bet he could call them to ask about the machine and who would be the agency to develop footprints and map them out in the crime scene. Like Charlie, I think they will be very important. They will not be conclusive enough to maybe put him at the scene, but we don't know that.

Say if the carpet is Berber, there wouldn't be much indentation and definition of the foot. But if his feet were wet and had blood on them, they would leave marks to test. How many people could have been barefoot in the house to leave squishy foorprints with possible blood? Haa Haa Haa I don't think an intruder would take off his shoes, do you?

Think he'll try? LOLOLOL

The TracEr is is used primarily for trace evidence and seem to be esp. suited to picking up latent fingerprint (footprints?). I wonder if they fumed the Young household w/anything?

I do wonder what they found...rrrrr...the questions!

[panthera]

exactly RC.....

hoping one of these mornings i'm going to wake up, get online, check in here, & there will be a thread titled "an arrest has been made".....I've been away a few days and come back and still no arrest ~ and I'd really been hoping the same thing as you.

The latest thing over the weekend was an article about what would've been Michelle's 30th birthday. :(

[panthera]

Scandi,

This is the kind of scenario I think of when thinking of that machine that was brought in. I think they were able to track the footsteps of the killer and most likely can come up with a size and characteristics of the killer's feet.:)I think the same thing. I saw that on CTV also and certainly there have to be some footprints on the carpet with the amount of blood at the crime scene. I wonder if it's Jason if he had his shoes on or off.

[scandi]

Hi Panthera, I saw your post earlier, but didn't answer it because I didn't know the proper name for the physical exam JY was given by LE.

One of the things done to him was a special king of mold made of his barefeet, without shoes. We don't know why of course, but the general consensus was there must have been adult sized prints in the carpet that were visible but hard to discern at a forensic level. Scandi

[raisincharlie]

Something like this?? about halfway down the page

http://www.crimeandclues.com/news.htmInteresting find Chico so I went on a search and found this:

http://www.coherentinc.com/Downloads/EFP%206%20Prf%201%20web.pdf

On the last page there are a couple of photos to demonstrate - very interesting.


Here is a link to CCBI - shows some of their technologies - ultraviolet and electrostatic dust lifters are mentioned but no laser technologies. You may be right on the ball there Chico !

http://www.wakegov.com/ccbi/investigations/duties.htm

[strach304]

I really like the idea that this tracer is "the" machine we all speculated about when we first heard they brought in a special machine. At the time I wondered what machine they would need that they didn't already have. This is new so that's they didn't have it? Makes sense to me especially if you consider this particular crime scene.

I still maintain my opinion that there was evidence apparent of an attempted clean up that LE focused on right away. Indicates one of the reasons they felt it wasn't random right away. That area for me also would include taking and disposing of the murder weapon and other various items including valuables for the purpose of staging. Just felt like it was worth another mention and look at by my fellow posters.

[raisincharlie]

I really like the idea that this tracer is "the" machine we all speculated about when we first heard they brought in a special machine. At the time I wondered what machine they would need that they didn't already have. This is new so that's they didn't have it? Makes sense to me especially if you consider this particular crime scene.

I still maintain my opinion that there was evidence apparent of an attempted clean up that LE focused on right away. Indicates one of the reasons they felt it wasn't random right away. That area for me also would include taking and disposing of the murder weapon and other various items including valuables for the purpose of staging. Just felt like it was worth another mention and look at by my fellow posters.
Strach,

I agree with you as I believe the killer cleaned up both himself and something about the scene itself. To the trained eye something was very obvious, I suspect cleaning up of the scene would be noticed quickly. If something was taken from the scene such as jewelry or money, it was an after thought as the killer forgot to show some form of forced entry to enhance the thought of an intruder. If it is true the drawers themselves were gone from the jewelry box - well that says a lot. Kind of messed up that angle IMO.

[jilly]

Wow. Thank you Chico & RC for this very interesting info. I think I can now understand why this is taking so long - so much involved here. I think these cops were really on the ball here.

I have a question RC since you mentioned the jewellry box drawers. If in fact he did take the drawers, do you suppose that was because he knew his finger prints were on them? If this is the case, then of course he wasn't wearing gloves!!

Also, it makes sense why they wanted his palm print in the NTO.

You may be right RC that they are focusing on the motive right now (not that they have to) to pad their circumstantial case.

[raisincharlie]

Wow. Thank you Chico & RC for this very interesting info. I think I can now understand why this is taking so long - so much involved here. I think these cops were really on the ball here.

I have a question RC since you mentioned the jewellry box drawers. If in fact he did take the drawers, do you suppose that was because he knew his finger prints were on them? If this is the case, then of course he wasn't wearing gloves!!

Also, it makes sense why they wanted his palm print in the NTO.

You may be right RC that they are focusing on the motive right now (not that they have to) to pad their circumstantial case.
Hello Jilly !

I'm thinking if JYs prints were on the jewelry box - it shouldn't matter as he lived in the home. If there was a bloody print I could see wiping it off or taking the drawers possibly but it makes no sense to me if it is true. The only thing I can think is someone defintiely wanted LE to think robbery - again if this is true but I seriously doubt it is. I just don't picture an intruder taking the drawers, one would think he would just stuff the jewelry (if it was even taken) in his pockets and leave.

[jilly]

Hello Jilly !

I'm thinking if JYs prints were on the jewelry box - it shouldn't matter as he lived in the home. If there was a bloody print I could see wiping it off or taking the drawers possibly but it makes no sense to me if it is true. The only thing I can think is someone defintiely wanted LE to think robbery - again if this is true but I seriously doubt it is. I just don't picture an intruder taking the drawers, one would think he would just stuff the jewelry (if it was even taken) in his pockets and leave.

Yes I was thinking of bloody prints - I would think that the hand he used to beat her with would be covered in blood (shudder) and that afterwards he was in a panic state, shaking and just grabbed the drawers so as not to risk leaving bloody fingerprints in or on the drawers. I agree it doesn't make sense but this guy wasn't thinking right at this point imo. I mean the adrenelin would really be pumping you'd think.
I agree no intruder is going to take the drawers.

Hope you're having fun in Fla. I'm packing it in for tonite. See ya tomorrow!

[scandi]

Gees, wouldn't you think he'd remember if he laid a bloody palm on something? For them to take a palm print do you think it would have to be bloody? That would be the only way to know it was put there during the crime, right?

[AlfaGal]

Yes, that is exactly what I thought too Scandi. Either blood and or evidence detected with that machine of the palm print being wiped.

[strach304]

Considering the source big if here but if true that the drawers were missing wouldn't that be more in line with being done deliberately to call attention to the jewelry being taken to LE? Doesn't seem like Michelle was wearing her rings since it's not in the AR. Possibly a few reasons for the jewelry to be taken but who at that point was gonna know jewelry was gone? Jason isn't talking to LE and the wedding rings being gone would be obvious, no? I'm pretty sure my family and friends would notice my jewelry that I wear every day being gone but other valuable jewelry in my jewelry box they couldn't say. The idea with taking the drawers looks staged imo but the idea was to make LE assume a burglary right away.

Of other interest to note, in the Robb case and the other murder last week in NC. LE searched the area for stuff disposed of from those murders. Now we know they didn't find anything in the Robb case but the other one they did and close by at that. I personally don't see the killer covering himself to avoid blood but rather he just disposed of those clothes and weapon.

Another thought that bothers me is Jason taking a shower at whatever hotel he was at. The room would've already been cleaned by the time LE got there. Hotels use many disinfectants and bleach.

[nohat]

Maybe he was looking for her rings to put them back on her finger (didn't want it to look like there were any problems). Got prints on the drawers in the process & had to take them with him...

[5bigfish5]

Maybe he was looking for her rings to put them back on her finger (didn't want it to look like there were any problems). Got prints on the drawers in the process & had to take them with him...

Hi nohat,

(Cute nic)

I hope Michelle hocked them, but I guess that is too much to hope for.

Cheers!

[jilly]

Considering the source big if here but if true that the drawers were missing wouldn't that be more in line with being done deliberately to call attention to the jewelry being taken to LE? Doesn't seem like Michelle was wearing her rings since it's not in the AR. Possibly a few reasons for the jewelry to be taken but who at that point was gonna know jewelry was gone? Jason isn't talking to LE and the wedding rings being gone would be obvious, no? I'm pretty sure my family and friends would notice my jewelry that I wear every day being gone but other valuable jewelry in my jewelry box they couldn't say. The idea with taking the drawers looks staged imo but the idea was to make LE assume a burglary right away.

Of other interest to note, in the Robb case and the other murder last week in NC. LE searched the area for stuff disposed of from those murders. Now we know they didn't find anything in the Robb case but the other one they did and close by at that. I personally don't see the killer covering himself to avoid blood but rather he just disposed of those clothes and weapon.

Another thought that bothers me is Jason taking a shower at whatever hotel he was at. The room would've already been cleaned by the time LE got there. Hotels use many disinfectants and bleach.

Hi Strach! I can only draw from my personal experience with a burglary. The guy emptied our jewellry drawers and then threw them back on the dresser. That got my attention that our jewellry was gone.

It makes sense that he did not cover up and just disposed of everything along that Appalachian Trail as RC suggested.

The hotel is of no help imo - I don't think they knew of that until they searched his vehicle. JY wasn't talking from day 1.

On a side note, poster frenchbroad posted yesterday at CTV that JY was telling people up to 30 days prior to the murder that JY was telling people that Michelle kept calling him when he was out of town & saying that she could hear noises like someone breaking in.

Sounds like staging here to me. Premed. They had an alarm system that was not hooked up and a garage door that wasn't working. Seems that either Michelle or JY would have done something about it.

[scandi]

I agree with you Jill, and would further say I think this info put out by Frenchbroad {an insider with an agenda as she has thrown out other things too} is a big fat Red Herring! JTF had brought this up mud Nov when she first started posting.

Alarm not connected, garage door not functioning properly - both simple things to fix if they were concerned for safety. Also JY was gone a lot during Sept and Oct, either on the road working or on a couple of trips.

If Michelle really was concerned she would have just taken care of these two simple things. I work for ADT, and any dealer will get you going on service for $99 activation fee and $34.99 a month! Almost nothing.

[jilly]

I agree with you Jill, and would further say I think this info put out by Frenchbroad {an insider with an agenda as she has thrown out other things too} is a big fat Red Herring! JTF had brought this up mud Nov when she first started posting.

Alarm not connected, garage door not functioning properly - both simple things to fix if they were concerned for safety. Also JY was gone a lot during Sept and Oct, either on the road working or on a couple of trips.

If Michelle really was concerned she would have just taken care of these two simple things. I work for ADT, and any dealer will get you going on service for $99 activation fee and $34.99 a month! Almost nothing.

So are you saying that FB is a fraud? Today, s/he's brought up that he was complaining to female co-workers about his sx life. Said he told people at a trades convention. I thought that was a little suspect - way too similar to SP.

[curious1]

Maybe he was complaining about his sex life and that part is true and maybe he was saying the other things about MY being scared of someone breaking in and this was false. I can see how he could tell the truth about one thing and lie about something else. Not such a stretch. You know?

[jilly]

Maybe he was complaining about his sex life and that part is true and maybe he was saying the other things about MY being scared of someone breaking in and this was false. I can see how he could tell the truth about one thing and lie about something else. Not such a stretch. You know?

What gave me a little step back on that comment was the Trades Convention. We all knew about SP and what he did at his convention (HB). There are so many similarities in this case but this is really eerie if this did in fact happen imo.

But I get your point about lying and telling the truth. Actually I can see that he was having a problem with his sx life - he pursued MM.

[curious1]

These guys really creep me out. Wish there was some way to 'know' about these guys before you get killed. I guess the problem is that when you are involved with them you just don't see it.

[raisincharlie]

Yes I was thinking of bloody prints - I would think that the hand he used to beat her with would be covered in blood (shudder) and that afterwards he was in a panic state, shaking and just grabbed the drawers so as not to risk leaving bloody fingerprints in or on the drawers. I agree it doesn't make sense but this guy wasn't thinking right at this point imo. I mean the adrenelin would really be pumping you'd think.
I agree no intruder is going to take the drawers.

Hope you're having fun in Fla. I'm packing it in for tonite. See ya tomorrow!
Seems to me this fellow wasn't thinking right for quite some time and what he was thinking about, he shouldn't have been. JMO

I am having fun in Florida - went to the "Bubba Gump Shrimp Company" for dinner the other night - absolutely pigged out on seafood. My "instructor" arrived yesterday - I think she is stalking me - my buddy and I went to Shoji Sushi for dinner last night and not even a half hour later the "Princess" showed up at the same restaurant ! Keeping an eye out over my shoulder now...:crazy: Darn she can sure drive an Indy car-gutsy little freak. Made my day !

[raisincharlie]

I agree with you Jill, and would further say I think this info put out by Frenchbroad {an insider with an agenda as she has thrown out other things too} is a big fat Red Herring! JTF had brought this up mud Nov when she first started posting.

Alarm not connected, garage door not functioning properly - both simple things to fix if they were concerned for safety. Also JY was gone a lot during Sept and Oct, either on the road working or on a couple of trips.

If Michelle really was concerned she would have just taken care of these two simple things. I work for ADT, and any dealer will get you going on service for $99 activation fee and $34.99 a month! Almost nothing.
Hey Scandi,

Do I take it that some of the "insiders" are now having a few thoughts about JY ? I find it rather hard to believe that a young mother with a 2 1/2 year roaming around the house and being pregnant again would leave doors unlocked. To me that has been a red herring from the begining. I just don't buy the intruder thing period - in the middle of the night, picking a house in between two other houses with a dog loose in the house - makes zero sense to me.:snooty:

[strach304]

Bringing this over from CTV and will add to the links thread. Where are you Scandi? You're gonna love this one! You came right to mind as soon as I looked at the link for this therapist.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1211049/
http://www.genderjourney.com/default.aspx

ETA: This makes no sense to me.

[jilly]

Holy Smokes! That's all I can say right now.

[curious1]

Not sure what the big deal is. Just because a therapist works with and specializes in helping transgender people really might not mean anything. I went to a therapist for depression and she also specialized and dealt mainly with relationship therapy. The do multi-task as needed for the most part.


I do find it interesting from the stand point of what the heck did she tell the therapist about JY? Maybe she talked about being suspicious or knowing that he was having and/or had affairs. Did she talk about maybe she confronted JY and he reacted with violence? hmmmmm...........

[Bellgardin]

Not sure what the big deal is. Just because a therapist works with and specializes in helping transgender people really might not mean anything. I went to a therapist for depression and she also specialized and dealt mainly with relationship therapy. The do multi-task as needed for the most part.
I agree. I don't think it's a big deal either. I don't think it's surprising for a therapist to do work with people with different types of issues. In the WRAL article in the last paragraph what really jumped out at me was this "...Part of her practice also involves contracts with companies where she provides counseling for employees through workplace programs..." I think this is more likely the reason she saw this particular person. My company has a program just like this and if I had the need I would go through that first, then they can refer you to someone in your area if it is needed. There would be no charge and it's confidential. More importantly, JY wouldn't have known about it since there was no bill. Maybe she just needed to talk to an objective third party and didn't feel like there was anyone else she could talk to.

[curious1]

Ahhhh, good points Bellgardin, very good points. Oh, boy wonder what old JY is thinking now. He has got to be sweating bullets.

[philamena]

JY should be sweating buckets. lol I still don't get why it's taking so long to arrest the POI. Surely all DNA test results are in now.

[raisincharlie]

Ahhhh, good points Bellgardin, very good points. Oh, boy wonder what old JY is thinking now. He has got to be sweating bullets.Obviously there were some problems going on in this marriage - I think in the end what will become clear is Michelle shared these problems with others, sought advice and even consolation for these issues. Some people never mention the problems and no one ever knows except the problem person. Here I believe Michelle has exposed the truth of the problems, she has a voice in this matter, and hopefully that voice will help to bring the sick individual who chose to murder her to justice.

[scandi]

Bringing this over from CTV and will add to the links thread. Where are you Scandi? You're gonna love this one! You came right to mind as soon as I looked at the link for this therapist.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1211049/
http://www.genderjourney.com/default.aspx

ETA: This makes no sense to me.

Hi Sweetie, Oh, you thought of me re: a transgender psychologist? LOL Just Yokin'

It is very interesting, and am so happy Michelle is now going to be able to in essence speak from her grave. I agree there were problems in this marriage, evidently from the go get. It is hard to speculate exactly what Michelle's concerns were, as they could be many, or even varied in the relationship with JY. I want to discount any info from insiders we have had, like the recent statement that JY had a problem with her sex-wise.

Maybe he was a bit kinky and all mixed up sexually. Who knows. A late bloomer. You think you're marrying a normal guy and then he like to wear your garter belt; well it would give way to some real questions if he was my guy!
:eek: Scandi

[raisincharlie]

A new poster at CTV, sosad, has indicated that a couple, was traveling to Michelle and Jason's for the homecoming weekend on the Friday Michelle was found. If this is true, it pretty much blows out of the water JY's trip to see his parents as being a trip of convenience. Me thinks the natives are getting very restless and there will soon be more information forthcoming.

Looks to me like momma's boy ran home after he was very bad...JMO.

[scandi]

Ah Haa! Thanks Charlie. That's what I thought all along, he got the big boot in the rumpski! And I think your idea of him biding time around Duffield, in familiar territory, was also the case.

I'm glad the natives are restless now, as it is about time to learn the real events . I also hope this insider is telling the truth, and can give something of confirmation.

Oh boy, bet it's hot over at CTV. This gal has to work today! :banghead: , so I won't even temp myself by going over there. ;}

So that is 2 new things today. right:

1} Michelle saw a psychologist who has given notes to LE and is cooperating
2} 2 friends were on their way to go to game with JY and Michelle

[reb]

so what's up folks, did they get the husband yet or not?

[fran]

so what's up folks, did they get the husband yet or not?

From what I can see not yet, but they're still working on it! IMHO, his days of freedom are numbered! ;)

JMHO
fran

[Samiya]

Hampton Inn Location. Thanks to RPD at CTV forum :)


http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?postid=9185628#post9185628

Sami

[raisincharlie]

Hampton Inn Location. Thanks to RPD at CTV forum :)


http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?postid=9185628#post9185628

SamiWell, 2.5 hours away - plenty of time regardless of where the meeting was suppose to be. According to RR, Jy left Raleigh either at 4 pm or 6 pm - 4 pm sounds more logical due to rush hour traffic. Darn that just blows gbmy's probabilities up in smoke as Jy could have left Raleigh at 6 am and made a meeting in Duffield at 11...poor gbmy, his poor probabilites just got smoked big time.

I bet someone is doing some serious studying on what was said to a therapist right about now.:behindbar

I wonder if the rumored Drs appointment was actually with the therapist ?

[Samiya]

Well, 2.5 hours away - plenty of time regardless of where the meeting was suppose to be. According to RR, Jy left Raleigh either at 4 pm or 6 pm - 4 pm sounds more logical due to rush hour traffic. Darn that just blows gbmy's probabilities up in smoke as Jy could have left Raleigh at 6 am and made a meeting in Duffield at 11...poor gbmy, his poor probabilites just got smoked big time.

I bet someone is doing some serious studying on what was said to a therapist right about now.:behindbar

I wonder if the rumored Drs appointment was actually with the therapist ?
I just posted in ctv that I hope LE checked the computers in the 'business room' of the HI. There's a photo on their website that shows two computers. There is also Wireless internet in all public areas, including rooms.

Thanks again to you and Buzz for the weather info.....it was extremely helpful :)

Hugs
Sami
xxx

[pack_fan]

2 1/2 hours, hmmm....

Good work Barney, btw.

Today has been a good day. I would now like to know if there was indeed a business meeting. Seems rather unlikely to me now since someone came forward earlier at ctv and said they had guests coming in town so I'll be right back with the way it all went down.....

Stay tuned, really just need to switch computers.

[raisincharlie]

I just posted in ctv that I hope LE checked the computers in the 'business room' of the HI. There's a photo on their website that shows two computers. There is also Wireless internet in all public areas, including rooms.

Thanks again to you and Buzz for the weather info.....it was extremely helpful :)

Hugs
Sami
xxx
Sami,

The computer from the SUV was a Dell Latitude - not sure what the 620 is but am willing to believe it had bluetooth technology. I have a Latitude and it is equipped with bluetooth. So with probability (been taking lessons on probability lately) in play I would say there is a greater chance the 620 had wireless capability. I suspect it did not go unnoticed about the business room computers - early on LE collected a library key card at the residence - computers and access were high priorities in this investigation it seems.

[pack_fan]

Alright, here goes. Some of this could be factual, maybe, most is pure crap but it's my story and I'm sticking too it. Also noted that I am taking into consideration things that i have heard that have yet to be reported, so here goes.

MY was in therapy, I could not verify this information but heard it within a week of the murder. Source seems good so I will also say that she had told her family and JY that she was leaving him (maybe this will come out later). Makes a lot of sense now why the Fishers immediately pointed the finger at JY, huh? I will also go out on a limb here, jmo of course, that if LF could get her hands on Cassidy, I would bet that she would do anything to keep her away from JY since she seems convinced that JY is the perp.

I had previously beleived that JY did have a business meeting but am seriously doubting this now. I can't verify that people were coming to stay with the Youngs but I would tend to beleive that this poster is credible for several reasons. First of all, they were big fans and had lifetime rights. These are neither cheap or even all that easy to get. They had lots of friends and had a specific spot that they met before games. At times, there could have been 50 or more people tailgating together and this was in fact homecoming weekend, big game. Secondly, don't know this first hand but I do beleive they had guests often. Several of their friends from out of town would stay when they came in town. I beleive that it will come out that it was not a meeting but he will try to say he was cold calling on customers. For some reason I am doubting that the insurance was the reason for the murder. I now beleive that he was tired of being married and MY had the nerve to leave HIM. The trip to the parents seems illogical if they had people coming to visit and it seems by the tone of sosad, it was friends of his. His friends called them to let them know the news.

So, I'm thinking that he may have considered it before but not acted on it. With people coming, doesn't seem logical that he would invite friends to come and stay if he had planned this way in advance. I think the marriage was in shambles, and it wore on him. Don't know when the therapy started but it said soon before the murder. I suspect that she had told him in the last week that it was coming to an end. The business meeting was just an excuse imo and bet that it will end up being false. I do think he called his parents a couple of days in advance, started thinking about an alibi and figured a business meeting with a hotel stay just over the va line and a trip to brevard should be enough to cover for him.

IMO, when you are trying to cya, you WILL make a mistake. Seems as some of those mistakes and discrepencies are starting to show.

[raisincharlie]

Alright, here goes. Some of this could be factual, maybe, most is pure crap but it's my story and I'm sticking too it. Also noted that I am taking into consideration things that i have heard that have yet to be reported, so here goes.

MY was in therapy, I could not verify this information but heard it within a week of the murder. Source seems good so I will also say that she had told her family and JY that she was leaving him (maybe this will come out later). Makes a lot of sense now why the Fishers immediately pointed the finger at JY, huh? I will also go out on a limb here, jmo of course, that if LF could get her hands on Cassidy, I would bet that she would do anything to keep her away from JY since she seems convinced that JY is the perp.

I had previously beleived that JY did have a business meeting but am seriously doubting this now. I can't verify that people were coming to stay with the Youngs but I would tend to beleive that this poster is credible for several reasons. First of all, they were big fans and had lifetime rights. These are neither cheap or even all that easy to get. They had lots of friends and had a specific spot that they met before games. At times, there could have been 50 or more people tailgating together and this was in fact homecoming weekend, big game. Secondly, don't know this first hand but I do beleive they had guests often. Several of their friends from out of town would stay when they came in town. I beleive that it will come out that it was not a meeting but he will try to say he was cold calling on customers. For some reason I am doubting that the insurance was the reason for the murder. I now beleive that he was tired of being married and MY had the nerve to leave HIM. The trip to the parents seems illogical if they had people coming to visit and it seems by the tone of sosad, it was friends of his. His friends called them to let them know the news.

So, I'm thinking that he may have considered it before but not acted on it. With people coming, doesn't seem logical that he would invite friends to come and stay if he had planned this way in advance. I think the marriage was in shambles, and it wore on him. Don't know when the therapy started but it said soon before the murder. I suspect that she had told him in the last week that it was coming to an end. The business meeting was just an excuse imo and bet that it will end up being false. I do think he called his parents a couple of days in advance, started thinking about an alibi and figured a business meeting with a hotel stay just over the va line and a trip to brevard should be enough to cover for him.

IMO, when you are trying to cya, you WILL make a mistake. Seems as some of those mistakes and discrepencies are starting to show.pack_fan,

Hope you are doing good !

My first reaction upon hearing today's news was Michelle has a voice and it will speak partially through this therapist but also through family and friends. I think Michelle did indeed confide in friends/family and most likely tried everything she could think of to try to save the marriage rather than just let it go. But I believe she reached her breaking point. I do believe she told JY it was done and there may have been several reasons.

I go back to the accident in May - many insiders claim JY thought the back door of the SUV popped open and turned around to look thus going off the road. I do not believe this tale - there are rear view mirrors in SUVs. Personally I believe this incident instigated a whole series of events as I think JY was messing around while driving and this stupidity ended in both the wreck and the loss of a baby which greatly affected Michelle at a very deep level. JMO - but this was the starting point for the snowball to he11.

With what has come out lately, the CA trip, the job change, the supposed 3 month relationship all pretty much point to a marriage in dire straights and a fellow more concerned about himself than his family. Without going into all my reasons for thinking this, I believe Michelle told him she wanted a divorce, she wanted an end. I do believe he knew this for a while. Here is were I think the whole problem lies - JY and MY argued over this but the big issue was in reality Cassidy - there is a reason that baby was left alive and there is a reason JY had to get someone over there to find her.

I believe at some point Michelle just absolutely could not take anymore of him and the issue of Cassidy was thrown at JY in anger - I know that sounds bad and I mean no disrespect to Michelle by saying this. I believe an argument over Cassidy is what set JY off - by law the only way he would have Cassidy is to prove Michelle was a bad mother (given what we know of her - probably no where near provable) or he had to eliminate Michelle. For some reason I just don't get the feeling that JY spent significant time planning how to do this but I also believe at some point before Michelle died he did make up his mind she would be eliminated.

I do not believe there was a "scheduled" meeting, maybe a drop by just to check in but not a true meeting, nor do I believe the trip to Brevard was planned several days in advance. I do think JY left Raleigh before Michelle came home on Thursday - I do not believe he could face either her or Cassidy. It bothers me a great deal that there is no mention of Michelle's wedding rings in the AR - I know the ladies here have given good reasons why she may have not had them on but I think that reason had nothing to do with being pregnant. For some reason I do not believe Michelle was unaware of JYs affairs, and I use plural because I do believe there were others, maybe one night stands or along those lines. I believe his pursuit of MM was targeted and laced with spite - JMO as I believe he used her just as he used Meredith. I have great sympathy for both of those young ladies and hope that each can find peace soon.

So on many levels we agree - but I see JYs motive as much deeper than an insurance policy or freedom. I believe there was a call that evening and I do believe he took Michelle very seriously during that phone call - the rest is incredibly sickening and sad. JMO

ETA - I think we will hear the wedding photos were collected from the home for reasons other than identifying people.

[scandi]

Two brilliant posts PackFan and Charlie. Thanks to both of you. My, we have some movers and shakers on this forum!

So you think he called her after having left with luggage, knowing it was all over between them. Maybe an I love you and can't live withough you and Cassidy, and in no uncertain terms she let him know that she would fight the fight in the divorce to where he would not even have visitation rights with Cassidy. I'm sure she had enough proof for that with his lifestyle and antics, and he knew it.

Then it is like you said Charlie, he knew he could never prove Michelle was a bad mother and he wasn't going to live his life without Cassidy, so he had to kill her.

Crazy isn't it. He didn't think it through. It wasn't that well planned, murder 1 would pull life without parole and she would be out of his life anyway. The only way to win would be to walk out of their lives with his tail between his legs, and his ego of being burned by her wouldn't let him do that.


PS: I still think Michelle learned about JY and MM after he had left that Thursday afternoon in a phone conversation she had with MM. So when he called her late at night, she was beside herself with anger, and JY knew the writing was on the wall.

Really sad. It makes me so sad to realize how this probably went down. Thinking of Cassidy, who I think still remembers what she saw and yet just loves her Daddy. She's Daddy's girl. I think she always was.


ETA: You think he busted up the wedding photos Charlie by throwing them across the room before he attacked her, which might have been a big clue to LE it was not a random murder?

[strach304]

In the news report it states that LE requested the court order for the therapist records as having info pertinent to the case and they could not get that info any other way. (my wording rc) I tend to think it's verification for what we know LE has been looking at all along anyway difference being it proves she confided in someone professional and not hearsay. Didn't that come up at Laci's trial? I wouldn't want therapy for my spouse cheating but throw in that it's with someone near and dear to me and it's a whole new issue. Catalyst that started a serious fight that may have thrown both into a rage that night and put Michelle in the frame of mind like RC stated could be she found out MM was pregnant and it might be Jason's. We know she is but not how far. MM may have even opted for an abortion if so after MY's killing. Nothing would surprise me at this point.

RC, I was posting on the ctv board the other night trying to get a straight answer about the couple coming to stay with them that weekend to try and figure out if that trip to his mothers was as we speculated a last minute excuse to be way from the scene of the crime. Looks like we had it all figured out right from the start. There was no emergency or special event in Brevard imo that sent him there instead of home. That couple and the plans prove that he was supposed to return home imo. I said his parents would hide behind his lawyer and not give LE that info and I still believe that. They found out anyway.

[jilly]

Thank you pacfan, rc. Very very interesting.

Scandi - I like that about randon/wedding pictures.

I'm not so sure how it all went down yet. The friends of jy's were travelling on the Friday. I'm just wondering if the youngs' were planning on making face so to speak until this weekend was over. Then maybe jy thought the fact that the friends were coming too would make it even more convincing that he would not murder Michelle?

Whatever, imo jy planned this.

[raisincharlie]

Scandi,


I could be way off base about those wedding photos but from the begining something keep igging me about them and it wasn't for identification of other persons. I cannot exactly make up my mind about who did what to them if something was indeed done. I think there is a possibility that JY himself could have done something with them before he left but I also think it is equally possible MY could have thrown them at some point. I just don't know but I do think there was something about those photos that contributed to LE's thought processes at the scene. Just a feeling I have had for a long time that cannot be explained.

PS - I'm not sure JY called Michelle that evening - it may have been the other way around and it may have been much earlier than 11 pm, like before the GA friend arrived if Jason left before Michelle got home.

[Jess]

What IF Michelle had cut Jason out of the pictures ! ?

[pack_fan]

Scandi,


I could be way off base about those wedding photos but from the begining something keep igging me about them and it wasn't for identification of other persons. I cannot exactly make up my mind about who did what to them if something was indeed done. I think there is a possibility that JY himself could have done something with them before he left but I also think it is equally possible MY could have thrown them at some point. I just don't know but I do think there was something about those photos that contributed to LE's thought processes at the scene. Just a feeling I have had for a long time that cannot be explained.
ITA that they were not taken for identification purposes. I think they were used as a weapon at some point and time and possibly contain some sort of dna evidence. I don't see LE taking them just because they were broken. A simple picture could have done that for them. Also, if it was just blood splatter, they could have just taken samples of the blood and moved on. I think there is some sort of evidence contained on those photos. Either prints from the perp if he grabbed it, or possible dna if Michelle tried to grab it and fight back. It would have been something that would have been close by and LE indicated early on that they suspected that the perp may have been injured.

There's my 2 cents, spend them wisely....

[pack_fan]

What IF Michelle had cut Jason out of the pictures ! ?
Had not thought of that, but that would make sense too, Jess.

Quit coming up with good ideas, you are just confusing me :confused: .

[pack_fan]

pack_fan,

Hope you are doing good !

My first reaction upon hearing today's news was Michelle has a voice and it will speak partially through this therapist but also through family and friends. I think Michelle did indeed confide in friends/family and most likely tried everything she could think of to try to save the marriage rather than just let it go. But I believe she reached her breaking point. I do believe she told JY it was done and there may have been several reasons.

I go back to the accident in May - many insiders claim JY thought the back door of the SUV popped open and turned around to look thus going off the road. I do not believe this tale - there are rear view mirrors in SUVs. Personally I believe this incident instigated a whole series of events as I think JY was messing around while driving and this stupidity ended in both the wreck and the loss of a baby which greatly affected Michelle at a very deep level. JMO - but this was the starting point for the snowball to he11.

With what has come out lately, the CA trip, the job change, the supposed 3 month relationship all pretty much point to a marriage in dire straights and a fellow more concerned about himself than his family. Without going into all my reasons for thinking this, I believe Michelle told him she wanted a divorce, she wanted an end. I do believe he knew this for a while. Here is were I think the whole problem lies - JY and MY argued over this but the big issue was in reality Cassidy - there is a reason that baby was left alive and there is a reason JY had to get someone over there to find her.

I believe at some point Michelle just absolutely could not take anymore of him and the issue of Cassidy was thrown at JY in anger - I know that sounds bad and I mean no disrespect to Michelle by saying this. I believe an argument over Cassidy is what set JY off - by law the only way he would have Cassidy is to prove Michelle was a bad mother (given what we know of her - probably no where near provable) or he had to eliminate Michelle. For some reason I just don't get the feeling that JY spent significant time planning how to do this but I also believe at some point before Michelle died he did make up his mind she would be eliminated.

I do not believe there was a "scheduled" meeting, maybe a drop by just to check in but not a true meeting, nor do I believe the trip to Brevard was planned several days in advance. I do think JY left Raleigh before Michelle came home on Thursday - I do not believe he could face either her or Cassidy. It bothers me a great deal that there is no mention of Michelle's wedding rings in the AR - I know the ladies here have given good reasons why she may have not had them on but I think that reason had nothing to do with being pregnant. For some reason I do not believe Michelle was unaware of JYs affairs, and I use plural because I do believe there were others, maybe one night stands or along those lines. I believe his pursuit of MM was targeted and laced with spite - JMO as I believe he used her just as he used Meredith. I have great sympathy for both of those young ladies and hope that each can find peace soon.

So on many levels we agree - but I see JYs motive as much deeper than an insurance policy or freedom. I believe there was a call that evening and I do believe he took Michelle very seriously during that phone call - the rest is incredibly sickening and sad. JMO

ETA - I think we will hear the wedding photos were collected from the home for reasons other than identifying people.
You said it so much better than I could have.

As you can clearly see, I wasn't an English major, nor did I do particularly well at it.

[raisincharlie]

In the news report it states that LE requested the court order for the therapist records as having info pertinent to the case and they could not get that info any other way. (my wording rc) I tend to think it's verification for what we know LE has been looking at all along anyway difference being it proves she confided in someone professional and not hearsay. Didn't that come up at Laci's trial? I wouldn't want therapy for my spouse cheating but throw in that it's with someone near and dear to me and it's a whole new issue. Catalyst that started a serious fight that may have thrown both into a rage that night and put Michelle in the frame of mind like RC stated could be she found out MM was pregnant and it might be Jason's. We know she is but not how far. MM may have even opted for an abortion if so after MY's killing. Nothing would surprise me at this point.

RC, I was posting on the ctv board the other night trying to get a straight answer about the couple coming to stay with them that weekend to try and figure out if that trip to his mothers was as we speculated a last minute excuse to be way from the scene of the crime. Looks like we had it all figured out right from the start. There was no emergency or special event in Brevard imo that sent him there instead of home. That couple and the plans prove that he was supposed to return home imo. I said his parents would hide behind his lawyer and not give LE that info and I still believe that. They found out anyway.
Strach,

I tend to think that Michelle did somehow find out about MM, but I just don't know about this pregnancy thing. No thoughts on it really as I tend to see it as outside the "box" of this case - don't know why I think that, just do. What I project is a young woman who really wanted family and lost a baby sometime in June - the emotions of that have to be overwhelming. Then quickly gets pregnant again so another layer of emotions is added on top of that. Then the husband decides to foot the bill for himself and three others, maybe more, for a vacation from one side of the country to the other against the best wishes of the young woman - another layer.

Then the husband takes another job which allows him great distance and travel away from home when his wife needs his emotional support, he starts some kind of relationship with a woman who is conveniently in another state (this makes zero sense to me in terms of calling it a serious relationship by either party). I don't know, but I see a lot of things being thrown at Michelle very quickly and while I am not a big fan of therapy - I can see how she might have needed help at some point to deal with all of it, especially if she felt JY was going outside the marriage.

As you know - I never saw the trip to Brevard as a matter of convenience but rather necessity. I think it was either arranged Thursday evening or Friday morning. I also don't believe there was a conventional meeting scheduled - maybe drop bys to visit but not really meetings. Not sure it was part of a murder plan as much as a need to be away from Michelle until the company arrived. Returning home on Saturday for the big game and with company already at the house - JY could minimize any potential contact and/or confrontation with Michelle. See where I'm going, I'm still not sure he concocted some big plan over time to kill his wife.

I do think there was some form of confrontation that spurred him to return to Raleigh the night Michelle was killed, perhaps a phone call. He was only 2.5 hours away - if he told her his plans she may well have told him not to return period. If I was 2.5 hours from my wife and she was po'd with me during a phone call - I 'd go home to try and resolve the problem...just saying.

[Taximom]

Interesting info about a therapist being a part of this. I have to wonder how much info the therapist would have if the therapy had just started. It usually takes a few sessions to completely open up about what is really going on. I hope there's enough to give LE what they need.

I'm picturing Michelle trying to keep her life and their marriage together, all while Jason is trying to selfishly make it all better for HIM. :razz:

I seriously can't wait for Bubba to give Jason a little "therapy".

[close_enough]

Strach,

I tend to think that Michelle did somehow find out about MM, but I just don't know about this pregnancy thing. No thoughts on it really as I tend to see it as outside the "box" of this case - don't know why I think that, just do. What I project is a young woman who really wanted family and lost a baby sometime in June - the emotions of that have to be overwhelming. Then quickly gets pregnant again so another layer of emotions is added on top of that. Then the husband decides to foot the bill for himself and three others, maybe more, for a vacation from one side of the country to the other against the best wishes of the young woman - another layer.

Then the husband takes another job which allows him great distance and travel away from home when his wife needs his emotional support, he starts some kind of relationship with a woman who is conveniently in another state (this makes zero sense to me in terms of calling it a serious relationship by either party). I don't know, but I see a lot of things being thrown at Michelle very quickly and while I am not a big fan of therapy - I can see how she might have needed help at some point to deal with all of it, especially if she felt JY was going outside the marriage.

As you know - I never saw the trip to Brevard as a matter of convenience but rather necessity. I think it was either arranged Thursday evening or Friday morning. I also don't believe there was a conventional meeting scheduled - maybe drop bys to visit but not really meetings. Not sure it was part of a murder plan as much as a need to be away from Michelle until the company arrived. Returning home on Saturday for the big game and with company already at the house - JY could minimize any potential contact and/or confrontation with Michelle. See where I'm going, I'm still not sure he concocted some big plan over time to kill his wife.

I do think there was some form of confrontation that spurred him to return to Raleigh the night Michelle was killed, perhaps a phone call. He was only 2.5 hours away - if he told her his plans she may well have told him not to return period. If I was 2.5 hours from my wife and she was po'd with me during a phone call - I 'd go home to try and resolve the problem...just saying.

great way to catch up here, betw Strach & you.....INTERESTING stuff for sure.....a therapist, hmmmm

there being a confrontation is looking more likely, for sure...thinking....

[close_enough]

Two brilliant posts PackFan and Charlie. Thanks to both of you. My, we have some movers and shakers on this forum!

So you think he called her after having left with luggage, knowing it was all over between them. Maybe an I love you and can't live withough you and Cassidy, and in no uncertain terms she let him know that she would fight the fight in the divorce to where he would not even have visitation rights with Cassidy. I'm sure she had enough proof for that with his lifestyle and antics, and he knew it.

Then it is like you said Charlie, he knew he could never prove Michelle was a bad mother and he wasn't going to live his life without Cassidy, so he had to kill her.

Crazy isn't it. He didn't think it through. It wasn't that well planned, murder 1 would pull life without parole and she would be out of his life anyway. The only way to win would be to walk out of their lives with his tail between his legs, and his ego of being burned by her wouldn't let him do that.


PS: I still think Michelle learned about JY and MM after he had left that Thursday afternoon in a phone conversation she had with MM. So when he called her late at night, she was beside herself with anger, and JY knew the writing was on the wall.

Really sad. It makes me so sad to realize how this probably went down. Thinking of Cassidy, who I think still remembers what she saw and yet just loves her Daddy. She's Daddy's girl. I think she always was.


ETA: You think he busted up the wedding photos Charlie by throwing them across the room before he attacked her, which might have been a big clue to LE it was not a random murder?

possible,,,or her throwing them...maybe that's the part of the dry wall they removed upstairs???...where the pictures were thrown against the wall?

[close_enough]

Alright, here goes. Some of this could be factual, maybe, most is pure crap but it's my story and I'm sticking too it. Also noted that I am taking into consideration things that i have heard that have yet to be reported, so here goes.

MY was in therapy, I could not verify this information but heard it within a week of the murder. Source seems good so I will also say that she had told her family and JY that she was leaving him (maybe this will come out later). Makes a lot of sense now why the Fishers immediately pointed the finger at JY, huh? I will also go out on a limb here, jmo of course, that if LF could get her hands on Cassidy, I would bet that she would do anything to keep her away from JY since she seems convinced that JY is the perp.

I had previously beleived that JY did have a business meeting but am seriously doubting this now. I can't verify that people were coming to stay with the Youngs but I would tend to beleive that this poster is credible for several reasons. First of all, they were big fans and had lifetime rights. These are neither cheap or even all that easy to get. They had lots of friends and had a specific spot that they met before games. At times, there could have been 50 or more people tailgating together and this was in fact homecoming weekend, big game. Secondly, don't know this first hand but I do beleive they had guests often. Several of their friends from out of town would stay when they came in town. I beleive that it will come out that it was not a meeting but he will try to say he was cold calling on customers. For some reason I am doubting that the insurance was the reason for the murder. I now beleive that he was tired of being married and MY had the nerve to leave HIM. The trip to the parents seems illogical if they had people coming to visit and it seems by the tone of sosad, it was friends of his. His friends called them to let them know the news.

So, I'm thinking that he may have considered it before but not acted on it. With people coming, doesn't seem logical that he would invite friends to come and stay if he had planned this way in advance. I think the marriage was in shambles, and it wore on him. Don't know when the therapy started but it said soon before the murder. I suspect that she had told him in the last week that it was coming to an end. The business meeting was just an excuse imo and bet that it will end up being false. I do think he called his parents a couple of days in advance, started thinking about an alibi and figured a business meeting with a hotel stay just over the va line and a trip to brevard should be enough to cover for him.

IMO, when you are trying to cya, you WILL make a mistake. Seems as some of those mistakes and discrepencies are starting to show.

yes it does...& thanks so much for this info/your thoughts....i love the fact that you're from there...:)

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Thank you pacfan, rc. Very very interesting.

Scandi - I like that about randon/wedding pictures.

I'm not so sure how it all went down yet. The friends of jy's were travelling on the Friday. I'm just wondering if the youngs' were planning on making face so to speak until this weekend was over. Then maybe jy thought the fact that the friends were coming too would make it even more convincing that he would not murder Michelle?

Whatever, imo jy planned this.

i'm not either...we need some LE leaks!!

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I saw earlier on this thread a discussion about crime scene evidence collection and equipment, I just stumbled on this from the CCBI site.
Thought some of you might be interested. I was bummed to CCBI sends specimens to SBI labs for processing, and I hear they are months behind in processing DNA. MOO

http://www.wakegov.com/ccbi/duties.htm

[scandi]

ITA that they were not taken for identification purposes. I think they were used as a weapon at some point and time and possibly contain some sort of dna evidence. I don't see LE taking them just because they were broken. A simple picture could have done that for them. Also, if it was just blood splatter, they could have just taken samples of the blood and moved on. I think there is some sort of evidence contained on those photos. Either prints from the perp if he grabbed it, or possible dna if Michelle tried to grab it and fight back. It would have been something that would have been close by and LE indicated early on that they suspected that the perp may have been injured.

There's my 2 cents, spend them wisely....

I wonder if her left thumb was cut by glass or the frame from one of those pictures? If she reached for it as he bashed it, I could see that happening. Oh, Oh, maybe this has something to do with LE saying