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chicoliving
02-16-2007, 07:58 PM
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caffeinatd
02-16-2007, 07:59 PM
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chicoliving
02-16-2007, 08:00 PM
Yw :)

5bigfish5
02-16-2007, 11:08 PM
GRRRRRRRRRRRR,


I even checked first, the number was about 150 less than the usual "turn-over".

All I can say is that y'all missed it tonight....Oh well, too late, can't remember, but something in there about RC and his foxes.

Sami, IF you get a chance...would you explain to me all the holes in my theory.



WHAT IF, someone were to take a shower, but they were a tad messy, like MY male. Getting something "DRY"- really DRY, IMO, is beyond the "Y" chromosome.

Later, a little girl with semi-dried blood on her little feet should traipses through that same room.

Would there be a difference in what the CSIs saw?

Thanks Samiya


:blowkiss:

pack_fan
02-16-2007, 11:51 PM
GRRRRRRRRRRRR,


I even checked first, the number was about 150 less than the usual "turn-over".

All I can say is that y'all missed it tonight....Oh well, too late, can't remember, but something in there about RC and his foxes.

Sami, IF you get a chance...would you explain to me all the holes in my theory.



WHAT IF, someone were to take a shower, but they were a tad messy, like MY male. Getting something "DRY"- really DRY, IMO, is beyond the "Y" chromosome.

Later, a little girl with semi-dried blood on her little feet should traipses through that same room.

Would there be a difference in what the CSIs saw?

Thanks Samiya


:blowkiss:
My guess would be that it would not leave a print as suggested by other posters but rather more of a smear if mixed with water. Depending on the amount of water I suppose. I also beleive that it would have to be rather fresh rather than dried. I don't beleive that water would make dried or semi-dried blood turn back to liquid form but I don't really know. There are posters here a lot smarter than me who could probably answer this for you.

Samiya
02-16-2007, 11:58 PM
Sami, IF you get a chance...would you explain to me all the holes in my theory.

WHAT IF, someone were to take a shower, but they were a tad messy, like MY male. Getting something "DRY"- really DRY, IMO, is beyond the "Y" chromosome.

Later, a little girl with semi-dried blood on her little feet should traipses through that same room.

Would there be a difference in what the CSIs saw?

Thanks Samiya


:blowkiss:
If there was water on the floor and the blood on Cassidy's feet had congealed, there is a possibility of the water on the floor being pink stained. Someone would have to ask their DNA friend about 'watered down blood and getting DNA' because that is wayyyy beyond me.

There probably would be some kind of pattern if the water pool was bigger than Cassidy's foot, but the wetter the blood is, the more dispersion in a pool of water, and more so than with only blood there would certainly be drips from the motion of walking.

hugs
Sami

Don't forget candles for Michelle starting at midnight tonight....although my biggest hugs to those who have started early! We have 35 candles lit in Michelle's honour and I am tickled pink!

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=MMFY

Thanks everyone

love
Sami
xxx

5bigfish5
02-17-2007, 12:26 AM
If there was water on the floor and the blood on Cassidy's feet had congealed, there is a possibility of the water on the floor being pink stained. Someone would have to ask their DNA friend about 'watered down blood and getting DNA' because that is wayyyy beyond me.

There probably would be some kind of pattern if the water pool was bigger than Cassidy's foot, but the wetter the blood is, the more dispersion in a pool of water, and more so than with only blood there would certainly be drips from the motion of walking.

hugs
Sami

Don't forget candles for Michelle starting at midnight tonight....although my biggest hugs to those who have started early! We have 35 candles lit in Michelle's honour and I am tickled pink!

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=MMFY

Thanks everyone

love
Sami
xxx
Thanks Pack & Sami,

I really wasn't that worried about a bunch of water, just good & wet.


I was just wondering if, $hit, what do I know..we don't even know the flooring...nevermind.

I am NOT crazy. CTV makes me that way!

XXOO

pack_fan
02-17-2007, 12:45 AM
Thanks Pack & Sami,

I really wasn't that worried about a bunch of water, just good & wet.


I was just wondering if, $hit, what do I know..we don't even know the flooring...nevermind.

I am NOT crazy. CTV makes me that way!

XXOO
Most likely tile. Just a guess but I think this home and neighborhood is too "upscale" to have linolium. Just a guess though.

I'm not sure I'm buying that there are footprints in the bathroom and not in the hallway. If Cassidy wandered in while the perp is showering or has showered, there would be blood in the hall. If there was no blood in the hall, I don't really beleive that water in the floor would have caused footprints. If it was dried enough not to stain carpet, I doubt it would come off in water to make a print or prints.

The other scenario was that she was carried to the bathroom. A perp that cared enough to carry her to the bathroom to clean off her feet would not imo be able to leave that dear child in the house with her dead mother.

I also think that the scene did not look like it did the day of the murder. By the time the family came in, LE had been in the house for a while and things were moved, I bet they had taken carpet possibly, sheetrock, other evidence that would have changed the appearance of the house.

All jmo of course....

Samiya
02-17-2007, 01:56 AM
Most likely tile. Just a guess but I think this home and neighborhood is too "upscale" to have linolium. Just a guess though.

I'm not sure I'm buying that there are footprints in the bathroom and not in the hallway. If Cassidy wandered in while the perp is showering or has showered, there would be blood in the hall. If there was no blood in the hall, I don't really beleive that water in the floor would have caused footprints. If it was dried enough not to stain carpet, I doubt it would come off in water to make a print or prints.

The other scenario was that she was carried to the bathroom. A perp that cared enough to carry her to the bathroom to clean off her feet would not imo be able to leave that dear child in the house with her dead mother.

I also think that the scene did not look like it did the day of the murder. By the time the family came in, LE had been in the house for a while and things were moved, I bet they had taken carpet possibly, sheetrock, other evidence that would have changed the appearance of the house.

All jmo of course....
I have to agree with you on that. If the hall is carpetted as well as the bedroom, the carpet would've 'removed' the blood from underneath the feet mostly. The collected blood would've been up the sides of her feet and between her toes by the time she got to the bathroom.

When I wrote *There probably would be some kind of pattern if the water pool was bigger than Cassidy's foot, but the wetter the blood is, the more dispersion in a pool of water, and more so than with only blood there would certainly be drips from the motion of walking.*

I should have clarified that the pattern would be like a pinkish 'swirling' in the water, not necessarily a 'foot pattern' on the floor.

Sami

Barney Fife
02-17-2007, 04:55 PM
It is too funny that JY's sister is playing CSI with the blood in the bath and the lack of prints elsewhere. CCBI was there for 11 days. They know what they have and are acting on it. They don't need JY's sister questioning a missing "tooth" and where or where not bloody tracks lead.

jilly
02-17-2007, 06:41 PM
It is too funny that JY's sister is playing CSI with the blood in the bath and the lack of prints elsewhere. CCBI was there for 11 days. They know what they have and are acting on it. They don't need JY's sister questioning a missing "tooth" and where or where not bloody tracks lead.

This is why I love the fact that LE is keeping everything close to the vest. These people are more hungrier for information than we are to the point of exasperation and nervous wrecks. We can see that because everytime they're up against the wall another boulder is hurled at Meredith.

As each day goes by it gives me pleasure to think that JY has sweated out another one. That "crying towel" must be pretty wet by now!!

Samiya
02-18-2007, 03:05 AM
This was a beautiful feeling when at 11:59pm on Michelle's birthday I counted 105 candles all burning brightly at the candles website in honour of Michelle.

Thank you to all who participated.

Sami
xxx

scandi
02-18-2007, 03:23 AM
It was wonderful Sami, I even saw your daughters candle! I went back this afternoon and did one from my nik at CTV, so I took two spots, but each had a different thought.

Somehow I see any woman who is murdered while with child, as being held by angels, together with her bebe. It just has to be that way.


Nitey Nite all Scandi

nanandjim
02-18-2007, 12:40 PM
I have to agree with you on that. If the hall is carpetted as well as the bedroom, the carpet would've 'removed' the blood from underneath the feet mostly. The collected blood would've been up the sides of her feet and between her toes by the time she got to the bathroom.

When I wrote *There probably would be some kind of pattern if the water pool was bigger than Cassidy's foot, but the wetter the blood is, the more dispersion in a pool of water, and more so than with only blood there would certainly be drips from the motion of walking.*

I should have clarified that the pattern would be like a pinkish 'swirling' in the water, not necessarily a 'foot pattern' on the floor.

Sami
I just saw something on CTV last night that I think may have been used in this case. LE used luminol to track the killer's steps. Luminol can work on very faint prints that a killer would most likely miss. Surely, there was blood everywhere. Even if the killer tried to clean up his footprints, I bet that he didn't get them all. Plus, the luminol probably would highlight the areas that where the attempted cleaning occurred.

If the killer showered after the murder, I believe the police know this. I bet they have reconstructed what happened that night. I only wish that MY had been able to injure her murderer. However, I'm not sure that happened. It would have been great had they been able to find JY's blood mixed with MY's at the scene.

I really think that the police know who committed the crime. I think that they have pieced together what happened before and after the crime. I guess that they are waiting for that one definitive piece of evidence to jump out at them. I hope that they find it, and justice can be done for MY and her family.

jilly
02-18-2007, 12:56 PM
I'm thinking that they can't place him at the crime scene mainly because of the questionairre they gave out to all the neighbors a week or so ago.

nanandjim
02-18-2007, 01:08 PM
I'm thinking that they can't place him at the crime scene mainly because of the questionairre they gave out to all the neighbors a week or so ago.
Maybe, they gave the questionnaire to rule out strangers. You know how the defense will say that there was a rush to judgment, that they focused on JY immediately and didn't look for alternatives. Perhaps, they are asking the neighbors if they saw anything strange going on in the neighborhood, to include strange people and strange vehicles.

Perhaps, they have a purely circumstantial case that they are building. By ruling out the possibility of a stranger, it will become obviously clear that the evidence then all points to one person. ==> The husband.

jilly
02-18-2007, 01:48 PM
Maybe, they gave the questionnaire to rule out strangers. You know how the defense will say that there was a rush to judgment, that they focused on JY immediately and didn't look for alternatives. Perhaps, they are asking the neighbors if they saw anything strange going on in the neighborhood, to include strange people and strange vehicles.

Perhaps, they have a purely circumstantial case that they are building. By ruling out the possibility of a stranger, it will become obviously clear that the evidence then all points to one person. ==> The husband.

I hope so Nan - gosh we can't even get a leak on what was in this questionairre and they've apparently given this out to a whole bunch of people and not just immediate neighbors!!!

jilly
02-18-2007, 01:57 PM
I just saw something on CTV last night that I think may have been used in this case. LE used luminol to track the killer's steps. Luminol can work on very faint prints that a killer would most likely miss. Surely, there was blood everywhere. Even if the killer tried to clean up his footprints, I bet that he didn't get them all. Plus, the luminol probably would highlight the areas that where the attempted cleaning occurred.

If the killer showered after the murder, I believe the police know this. I bet they have reconstructed what happened that night. I only wish that MY had been able to injure her murderer. However, I'm not sure that happened. It would have been great had they been able to find JY's blood mixed with MY's at the scene.

I really think that the police know who committed the crime. I think that they have pieced together what happened before and after the crime. I guess that they are waiting for that one definitive piece of evidence to jump out at them. I hope that they find it, and justice can be done for MY and her family.

I would think he's missed a few spots too especially since he's cleaning in artificial light. Most bedrooms aren't known for having bright lighting and it was in the middle of the nite.

I hope Michelle did manage to scratch him or something. There would be a good chance with the strangling part provided he didn't have gloves on otherwise, after that attempt I think she went into defensive mode as in holding her head.

scandi
02-18-2007, 02:54 PM
It is too funny that JY's sister is playing CSI with the blood in the bath and the lack of prints elsewhere. CCBI was there for 11 days. They know what they have and are acting on it. They don't need JY's sister questioning a missing "tooth" and where or where not bloody tracks lead.

Good to see you back posting ~ missed 'ya!

Did you also notice that in one post Gojo as much as said - well he did say that the posts that ended with a certain wording were done by JY? I was surprised he let on to this. Something like - and all that. Gosh, I'll have to try and find that post. It was yesterday.

scandi
02-18-2007, 03:01 PM
I just saw something on CTV last night that I think may have been used in this case. LE used luminol to track the killer's steps. Luminol can work on very faint prints that a killer would most likely miss. Surely, there was blood everywhere. Even if the killer tried to clean up his footprints, I bet that he didn't get them all. Plus, the luminol probably would highlight the areas that where the attempted cleaning occurred.

If the killer showered after the murder, I believe the police know this. I bet they have reconstructed what happened that night. I only wish that MY had been able to injure her murderer. However, I'm not sure that happened. It would have been great had they been able to find JY's blood mixed with MY's at the scene.

I really think that the police know who committed the crime. I think that they have pieced together what happened before and after the crime. I guess that they are waiting for that one definitive piece of evidence to jump out at them. I hope that they find it, and justice can be done for MY and her family.

Hi Nana! I think the killer must have walked either barefoot or with socks {sans shoes}, because acc to Charlie there was a test given to JY which was making a print of his feet. And it had to do with what the print would look like on carpeting.

If they had this it might be a good tell tale sign he walked on the carpet with wet or bloody feet, but the test might have been inconclusive. I see that a lot in CSI shows, and not strong enough to illicit an arrest. ;{

scandi
02-18-2007, 03:06 PM
I hope so Nan - gosh we can't even get a leak on what was in this questionairre and they've apparently given this out to a whole bunch of people and not just immediate neighbors!!!

Hi ya Jilly! I read RaleighResident's post on that subject, and the questionaire wasn't sent out, but rather delivered personally by an officer and the questions filled out with the officer. One on One basis.

RR mentioned something about posting on boards in regard to this questionaire, and the officers who knocked on his door said it had nothing to do with posting on boards, so they probably knew RR did that. But I have this feeling they told him to please not post the particular questions on line :rolleyes: I've asked that of RR a couple of times, and he won't even address it.

jilly
02-18-2007, 03:23 PM
Hi ya Jilly! I read RaleighResident's post on that subject, and the questionaire wasn't sent out, but rather delivered personally by an officer and the questions filled out with the officer. One on One basis.

RR mentioned something about posting on boards in regard to this questionaire, and the officers who knocked on his door said it had nothing to do with posting on boards, so they probably knew RR did that. But I have this feeling they told him to please not post the particular questions on line :rolleyes: I've asked that of RR a couple of times, and he won't even address it.

Hi ya Scandi! :) Yes I got the part about personal delivery but I didn't realize it was filled out with an officer. So that is good - no one can make a copy of it. Kind of surprised they waited so long to do this - memories can fade quickly (especially mine! :crazy: )

I agree they must have asked RR not to post. That's good because I don't want JY getting any freebies here. These message boards are something else!

raisincharlie
02-18-2007, 08:41 PM
Gonna go out on a limb here and say the following:

IMO JY's alibi cannot be solid, there is a hole in it somewhere and LE knows it. I say this because as late as 8 February 2007, LE is still obtaining warrants that relate to JY and his actions prior to the murder of Michelle. JY is still the focus of this investigation, he has not been ruled out, he is a POI, IMO. If he were not any of these things or if he were ruled out by his alibi being solid, there would have been no warrant obtained relating to his activities prior to the murder this late in the investigation. JMO of course.


Some photos from Michelle's memorial service:

http://www.statiaphotography.com/memorial/ppages/ppage1.htm

jilly
02-18-2007, 09:16 PM
Gonna go out on a limb here and say the following:

IMO JY's alibi cannot be solid, there is a hole in it somewhere and LE knows it. I say this because as late as 8 February 2007, LE is still obtaining warrants that relate to JY and his actions prior to the murder of Michelle. JY is still the focus of this investigation, he has not been ruled out, he is a POI, IMO. If he were not any of these things or if he were ruled out by his alibi being solid, there would have been no warrant obtained relating to his activities prior to the murder this late in the investigation. JMO of course.


Some photos from Michelle's memorial service:

http://www.statiaphotography.com/memorial/ppages/ppage1.htm

Good to see ya! You're like the foundation here and it's a real void when you're not around!!

Saw the pictures over at CTV. Quite a large crowd and I'm happy that Linda and Meredith got all that support.

Did you notice RPDs post about checking the Hampton Inns - 5 of them I think including the one he thinks JY stayed at. Only 1 of them had exit security so you were right about some having security and some not.

I agree the alibi has a hole - maybe a big one for the time he was supposed to be sleeping?

Boy, if he did this, I sure hope he's not going to get away with it.

scandi
02-18-2007, 09:33 PM
Thanks Charlie for the photos. Really great weren't they?

Gee I was already missing you LOL Thought you were on your way across the Atlantic to Germany. If you are, have a safe trip Charlie. Have a great trip too!

close_enough
02-18-2007, 09:39 PM
Gonna go out on a limb here and say the following:

IMO JY's alibi cannot be solid, there is a hole in it somewhere and LE knows it. I say this because as late as 8 February 2007, LE is still obtaining warrants that relate to JY and his actions prior to the murder of Michelle. JY is still the focus of this investigation, he has not been ruled out, he is a POI, IMO. If he were not any of these things or if he were ruled out by his alibi being solid, there would have been no warrant obtained relating to his activities prior to the murder this late in the investigation. JMO of course.


Some photos from Michelle's memorial service:

http://www.statiaphotography.com/memorial/ppages/ppage1.htm

welcome 'home' RC!!

i agree...i think LE has a problem with where JY was betw midnight & 6 am...i think it's as simple as that....they can't actually PUT him in the home during that time, which was when Michelle was murdered.....i still believe that's what the hold up is....jmo:)

raisincharlie
02-18-2007, 09:48 PM
Thanks Charlie for the photos. Really great weren't they?

Gee I was already missing you LOL Thought you were on your way across the Atlantic to Germany. If you are, have a safe trip Charlie. Have a great trip too!
Not yet luv - in Miami. I had a very nice drive down here though. Got my car in the crate today, packed away safely and loaded on the boat. It leaves tonight. I'm here through thursday night. IRL open test at Miami Homestead Speedway on Weds and Thurs - have to have my DP fix before I go you know? I leave Friday morning for Germany so I have a bit of time. Not big on tv so just roaming around here - at least its halfway warm here and I am enjoying the ocean.

Yes, I was glad to see such a large group assembled to remember Michelle. I did light a candle per Sami's suggestion. Must have been a very tough day for the Fishers but I see a few smiles - I think Michelle would like the smiles. Hopefully things will begin to align and the murderer will soon be brought to justice. I see nothing has happened so far this weekend - I have a feeling it will be soon.

raisincharlie
02-18-2007, 09:55 PM
welcome 'home' RC!!

i agree...i think LE has a problem with where JY was betw midnight & 6 am...i think it's as simple as that....they can't actually PUT him in the home during that time, which was when Michelle was murdered.....i still believe that's what the hold up is....jmo:)

I wish we knew that answer Close !

Seems like the most recent warrant goes more to motive - you may be right.

close_enough
02-18-2007, 10:03 PM
I wish we knew that answer Close !

Seems like the most recent warrant goes more to motive - you may be right.

exactly RC.....

hoping one of these mornings i'm going to wake up, get online, check in here, & there will be a thread titled "an arrest has been made".....

raisincharlie
02-18-2007, 10:07 PM
Good to see ya! You're like the foundation here and it's a real void when you're not around!!

Saw the pictures over at CTV. Quite a large crowd and I'm happy that Linda and Meredith got all that support.

Did you notice RPDs post about checking the Hampton Inns - 5 of them I think including the one he thinks JY stayed at. Only 1 of them had exit security so you were right about some having security and some not.

I agree the alibi has a hole - maybe a big one for the time he was supposed to be sleeping?

Boy, if he did this, I sure hope he's not going to get away with it.
Jilly,

I'm avoiding CTV as the bozos, I mean the gojos, are making me nuts. Glad RPD checked out some of the Hampton Inns, I know if you explain a good reason to them for asking about security, most of the time they will tell you what the setup is.

Have faith - if JY did it - he will not get away with it. I think by now LE has no doubts about if it were a stranger or JY himself. JMO of course but it seems to me as of Feb 8, LE is still targeting him, whether it was done by his own hand or at the hand of another - JY is involved. LE will get him.

scandi
02-18-2007, 10:15 PM
I was going to say the palm print and the bare foot print LE made from Jy should mean something, don't you think?

I can't see where Michell would put her hand on the wall if she was on the bed and they while struggling with him fell onto the floor. So I was thinking the palm print was that of the killer. Wish we knew the layout of the MBr - where the bed was in relationship to the room, the walls, the table with the lamp, which side she slept on, etc.

Are you going to be in a car race Charlie in Germany?

raisincharlie
02-18-2007, 10:27 PM
I was going to say the palm print and the bare foot print LE made from Jy should mean something, don't you think?

I can't see where Michell would put her hand on the wall if she was on the bed and they while struggling with him fell onto the floor. So I was thinking the palm print was that of the killer. Wish we knew the layout of the MBr - where the bed was in relationship to the room, the walls, the table with the lamp, which side she slept on, etc.

Are you going to be in a car race Charlie in Germany?
Scandi,

I do think in particular the foot prints and measurements taken of JY under the NTO have some great significance. Just my thought but i believe that special machine had something to do with being able to trace the killer's footsteps - if they were bare this would explain both the prints and the measurements. In my mind this is what LE has. I think it is also possible there may be some other kind of print, palm or finger, that may have been wiped down but with technology was still found.

No car race for me - I go over every year for dressage training clinics to upgrade my training skills and to be re-certified as a dressage trainer. Have to keep up with the Europeans ! I will get to do a couple of road rallys while there however. Always fun and always fast !

Dominique
02-18-2007, 10:41 PM
One of the Gojo's or the Bogo's or the Gogo's or whate'rr they/he/she/ are just posted that Mrs. Fisher has accused JY of murdering Michelle.


We knew it...they let it slip!

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?postid=9150407#post9150407

they were a bit peeved too, about 'our comments' ..in light of the memorial...

"I believe if Jason had been at the memorial service, he would not have been welcome. Mrs. Fisher has already accused Jason of murdering her daughter."

Gee, Gojo I II III OR IV...y'a think? :doh:

raisincharlie
02-18-2007, 10:50 PM
One of the Gojo's or the Bogo's or the Gogo's or whate'rr they/he/she/ are just posted that Mrs. Fisher has accused JY of murdering Michelle.


We knew it...they let it slip!

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?postid=9150407#post9150407

they were a bit peeved too, about 'our comments' ..in light of the memorial...

"I believe if Jason had been at the memorial service, he would not have been welcome. Mrs. Fisher has already accused Jason of murdering her daughter."

Gee, Gojo I II III OR IV...y'a think? :doh:
Evening Ms. Dominique !

Quess this should be no surprise to anyone who watched the video footage from the funeral or to anyone who actually listened to the statement Mrs. Fisher made. But it does pretty well confirm that Jy would be very inclined to refuse Mrs. Fisher the right to see Cassidy - not because it is inconvenient. The gojo's are deepening the hole rather than covering it over. JMO

chicoliving
02-18-2007, 10:52 PM
I do think in particular the foot prints and measurements taken of JY under the NTO have some great significance. Just my thought but i believe that special machine had something to do with being able to trace the killer's footsteps - if they were bare this would explain both the prints and the measurements. In my mind this is what LE has. I think it is also possible there may be some other kind of print, palm or finger, that may have been wiped down but with technology was still found.


I think so too! Early on one of the investigators (have no idea who or what agency he was actually with) mentioned that special equipment but did not expand his discussion on this equip. Was it machine that he said?? Anyway, it really stuck in my mind not so much what he said but what he didn't say. Nothing to add, just struck my memory nerve :)

raisincharlie
02-18-2007, 10:58 PM
I think so too! Early on one of the investigators (have no idea who or what agency he was actually with) mentioned that special equipment but did not expand his discussion on this equip. Was it machine that he said?? Anyway, it really stuck in my mind not so much what he said but what he didn't say. Nothing to add, just struck my memory nerve :)Yes it was some kind of machine and I remember this same reference. I agree it was not what he said but what he didn't say that was significant in that quote. My thought is the killer cleaned up in the home and also tried to clean up certain aspects of the crime itself. I think this is one aspect that was combined into the non - random theory LE concluded in the very begining.

Nice to see you Chico - hope you are doing well ;)

chicoliving
02-18-2007, 11:01 PM
Good to see you too! Stay safe on your travels :)

Dominique
02-18-2007, 11:02 PM
Evening Ms. Dominique !

Quess this should be no surprise to anyone who watched the video footage from the funeral or to anyone who actually listened to the statement Mrs. Fisher made. But it does pretty well confirm that Jy would be very inclined to refuse Mrs. Fisher the right to see Cassidy - not because it is inconvenient. The gojo's are deepening the hole rather than covering it over. JMO

RC, you are a sage and gentleman. They are deepening their own non-foxhole w/each and every posting!

No cover ups from us! How they are using Cassie is a SHAME. Children and Grandchildren are sacred...my bebes love my mom and my ex's mom so much...they get so much from each of them and i could not care less what my former mil has to think or say about me (so long as our bebes are excluded, if not, all bets off).

It is a double injury to the Fishers that JY and yes, his family by supporting him, does.

Godspeed justice and the aforementioned cannot come soon enough.

Samiya
02-19-2007, 12:00 AM
RC, you are a sage and gentleman. They are deepening their own non-foxhole w/each and every posting!

No cover ups from us! How they are using Cassie is a SHAME. Children and Grandchildren are sacred...my bebes love my mom and my ex's mom so much...they get so much from each of them and i could not care less what my former mil has to think or say about me (so long as our bebes are excluded, if not, all bets off).

It is a double injury to the Fishers that JY and yes, his family by supporting him, does.

Godspeed justice and the aforementioned cannot come soon enough.**wondering**

Would he have done this very thing if he and Michelle were just divorcing? Taking off with Cassidy and using her to bring Michelle under 'control'....

End of thought....

Now excuse me while I mull over 'double agents', lmao

Sami

jilly
02-19-2007, 12:25 AM
Jilly,

I'm avoiding CTV as the bozos, I mean the gojos, are making me nuts. Glad RPD checked out some of the Hampton Inns, I know if you explain a good reason to them for asking about security, most of the time they will tell you what the setup is.

Have faith - if JY did it - he will not get away with it. I think by now LE has no doubts about if it were a stranger or JY himself. JMO of course but it seems to me as of Feb 8, LE is still targeting him, whether it was done by his own hand or at the hand of another - JY is involved. LE will get him.

:laugh: bozos!! I'm getting fed up with them too. Very irritating.

Thanks for the pep talk! :) I needed it!

scandi
02-19-2007, 01:33 AM
I'm not going to post there anymore I don't think. I just posted that Jay is disgusting! It completely takes away from the discussion at hand every time he tries a new way to put down women!

Taximom
02-19-2007, 02:47 AM
She would have been 30. :( :( :(

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1207575/

Posted: Feb. 18 6:20 p.m.

SAYVILLE, N.Y. — Friends and family gathered this weekend to celebrate what would have been Michelle Young's 30th birthday.

Young’s mother, Linda Fisher, led the service from a church in Sayville, New York, where Young originally came from.

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Happy Birthday, Michelle.
==========

On another note, what the heck am I missing at the other site?

scandi
02-19-2007, 04:51 AM
Just after I read your post about the machine Charlie, I was watching CTV and on this show they were telling about this machine that can do a diagram of the crime scene and the location of everything - It was like a photo of the blood spatter, footprints, fingerpriints and then the body in a big photograph that you could zoom in on or out.

But I think your idea showing where the killer had cleaned up and seeing into what he did by the washes and remnants of blood is a very good one. It does fit with this machine I saw on the show - Forensic Files I think. At least now I know there is a machine that does this.

Maybe it helped them with the adult footprints that we have questioned. If those prints were in a cushy carpeting, for instance, maybe it could determine their pattern, depth of the print and exact weight of a person required to make that print, plus maybe show where the killer walked back and forth.

Scandi

jilly
02-19-2007, 12:04 PM
I'm not going to post there anymore I don't think. I just posted that Jay is disgusting! It completely takes away from the discussion at hand every time he tries a new way to put down women!

I put him on ignore awhile back and yet so many keep responding & quoting him so I continue to see his posts. If everyone would just ignore him then he would get tired of talking to himself.

You're right. He is disgusting and I'm glad you posted that! I have about 5 on ignore and it's much easier to catch up.

jilly
02-19-2007, 12:12 PM
==========
Happy Birthday, Michelle.
==========

On another note, what the heck am I missing at the other site?

Not much. One of the "bozos" yesterday gave some reasons why JY wasn't at the memorial. One of them was he didn't want to take the spotlight off Michelle (sound like SP??). S/he also said Linda Fisher had accused him of murdering Michelle.

It seems that he won't let LF see Cassidy - he's sending her pictures.
I feel so bad for LF.

curious1
02-19-2007, 01:13 PM
snip...

Some photos from Michelle's memorial service:

http://www.statiaphotography.com/memorial/ppages/ppage1.htmThanks for the photos RC. You know, I really liked that everyone was not all weepy the whole time. It looks like people were remembering the good times with Michelle and I could almost hear the 'and what about the time....that was sooo funny'. I think that's good that so many people had so many good memories of Michelle and could smile when they thought about her. What happened to her was not who she was and they seem to be able to grasp that. JMHO

Taximom
02-19-2007, 02:51 PM
Thanks for the info, jilly. Having some pc difficulties here! :banghead:

raisincharlie
02-19-2007, 09:36 PM
**wondering**

Would he have done this very thing if he and Michelle were just divorcing? Taking off with Cassidy and using her to bring Michelle under 'control'....

End of thought....

Now excuse me while I mull over 'double agents', lmao

Sami
Sami,

You are a tricky one ! Would JY have done this if it was just a divorce - IMO this is the primary motivation as it stands right now. JY taking Cassidy to control Michelle would never work here in the states. Most of the time custody goes to the mother unless she can be proved to be unfit which I do not think would have been the case. The worst thing JY could have done with a pending divorce would be to take off with the child, almost a guarantee that he would never have more than supervised visitation with Cassidy.

Just my opinion but I think a divorce was looming, thus Cassidy was not hurt, he wanted Cassidy but not Michelle. Here he was not going to have primary custody of the baby. Just a thought back at you ! :D

raisincharlie
02-19-2007, 09:40 PM
Just after I read your post about the machine Charlie, I was watching CTV and on this show they were telling about this machine that can do a diagram of the crime scene and the location of everything - It was like a photo of the blood spatter, footprints, fingerpriints and then the body in a big photograph that you could zoom in on or out.

But I think your idea showing where the killer had cleaned up and seeing into what he did by the washes and remnants of blood is a very good one. It does fit with this machine I saw on the show - Forensic Files I think. At least now I know there is a machine that does this.

Maybe it helped them with the adult footprints that we have questioned. If those prints were in a cushy carpeting, for instance, maybe it could determine their pattern, depth of the print and exact weight of a person required to make that print, plus maybe show where the killer walked back and forth.

Scandi
Scandi,

This is the kind of scenario I think of when thinking of that machine that was brought in. I think they were able to track the footsteps of the killer and most likely can come up with a size and characteristics of the killer's feet.:)

raisincharlie
02-19-2007, 09:43 PM
Not much. One of the "bozos" yesterday gave some reasons why JY wasn't at the memorial. One of them was he didn't want to take the spotlight off Michelle (sound like SP??). S/he also said Linda Fisher had accused him of murdering Michelle.

It seems that he won't let LF see Cassidy - he's sending her pictures.
I feel so bad for LF.
Makes you wonder how much Mrs. Fisher knew about the marriage to conclude that JY murdered her daughter doesn't it ? She obviously has her reasons.

raisincharlie
02-19-2007, 10:03 PM
I put him on ignore awhile back and yet so many keep responding & quoting him so I continue to see his posts. If everyone would just ignore him then he would get tired of talking to himself.

You're right. He is disgusting and I'm glad you posted that! I have about 5 on ignore and it's much easier to catch up.
The same should hold true for the gojo bozos - everyone needs to ignore them - they will get nothing out of them except bs for one simple reason that seems to be lost on them - they know nothing in reality, most likely. If they do JY has put them in a very bad spot if he told them anything. Most likely the lawyer has advised the family and friends not to ask JY anything for this very reason. If any of them is ever placed on the stand - if they know something they will be placed in the postion of either lying to protect JY thus opening themselves to perjury charges or they will have to tell the truth which may be hurtful to JYs case. So I am not sure why posters seem to think they will get anything from them but grief. JMO.

jilly
02-19-2007, 11:04 PM
Makes you wonder how much Mrs. Fisher knew about the marriage to conclude that JY murdered her daughter doesn't it ? She obviously has her reasons.

I'll bet JY was happy to hear her accuse him - gave him the opportunity for payback by slamming the door between her and Cassidy. What a guy!

jilly
02-19-2007, 11:11 PM
The same should hold true for the gojo bozos - everyone needs to ignore them - they will get nothing out of them except bs for one simple reason that seems to be lost on them - they know nothing in reality, most likely. If they do JY has put them in a very bad spot if he told them anything. Most likely the lawyer has advised the family and friends not to ask JY anything for this very reason. If any of them is ever placed on the stand - if they know something they will be placed in the postion of either lying to protect JY thus opening themselves to perjury charges or they will have to tell the truth which may be hurtful to JYs case. So I am not sure why posters seem to think they will get anything from them but grief. JMO.

I'm guilty! :( I got a little carried away today. It just irks me when they bring up Meredith. I'm also empathizing with Linda Fisher. I will try and take your advice. :)

scandi
02-20-2007, 12:40 AM
Scandi,

This is the kind of scenario I think of when thinking of that machine that was brought in. I think they were able to track the footsteps of the killer and most likely can come up with a size and characteristics of the killer's feet.:)

Me too Charlie, We have wondered what this machine was all about. We still can only guess. I don't know how often there are new shows on Forensic Files. But I almost fainted when they mentioned the machine that can diagram a crime scene to give investigators an overall look at the crime scene. I had just read your post and looked up at my TV and watched the rest of the show.

It was a carmudgeonic looking machine, somewhat squat and low to the ground with slatted vents across the front, which was rounded. Boxy looking and maybe had a handle. I think they designed it to save time in the mental process of putting a crime together.

They still have to do all the testing of blood, fluids and prints, but the time involved of meticulously putting up string to find the direction the weapon or bullet traveled when it hit the victim, which is quite involved and takes time. I've seen Dr Lee with 30 or so strings clipped to the wall, showing ultimately where the killer was standing when the blows were thrown, and if he moved in the process of doing that, the progress of his moves.

I'm thinking the spongy-type footprints of an adult threw them for a loop.
They were probably hard to discern as they wouldn't be solid prints with a lot of wet blood, possibly watered down as has been discussed here. What this machine would do is bring these shapes with their depths and side angles to the forefront so they could calculate the size and weight of that person, and yes, characteristics of the person's feet!

All in all, it would be just one piece of the puzzle the DA has set forth, needing full completion, so she can know in her mind that this will be a solid case to prosecute.

I wish we had a Sleuth in the court house so we would know if there is a
GJ working on the case at this time. :rolleyes:

scandi
02-20-2007, 12:48 AM
Makes you wonder how much Mrs. Fisher knew about the marriage to conclude that JY murdered her daughter doesn't it ? She obviously has her reasons.

Remember we heard right after the funeral that both Michelle's Mom and Meredith thought JY was guilty. It was from an early 'insider' who had few total posts, like they dropped in to give a few nuggets and that was it.

They had reason I am sure IMHO.

chicoliving
02-20-2007, 12:51 AM
Something like this?? about halfway down the page

http://www.crimeandclues.com/news.htm

Taximom
02-20-2007, 01:06 AM
Something like this?? about halfway down the page

http://www.crimeandclues.com/news.htm
Wow, chicoliving, you just gave me goosebumps.

scandi
02-20-2007, 01:44 AM
Me too Tazimom. LOL That Chico of ours is the Sleuther with the mostest to find that site! WOW is all I can say after reading about these inovatiions.

The Salient Stills machine works off of digital video surveillance I think, and so although I think it accomplishes the creation of a crime scene, I don't think our Sheriffs office were dealing with video. They take photos, I think, and there was no digital video that I have seen the Youngs had installed in their house. Don't we wish!

The system listed right below that, the "Tracer Forensic Lasar system - the ultimate tool for trace evidence detection, particularly of latent prints . . ." sounds to me like it fits. Now if the Salient Stills machine can take this same evidence and show a video diagram of the crime scene, that is what I saw on FF's.

Whatever Chico, I think you have discovered what this investigative team needed to make clear sense of what they saw at that crime scene. Thanks so much. Now it makes sense. LE needed an edge with the complicated crime scene they beheld. The most terrible one they had seen in 20+ years.

And I bet they have a video generated print out that will be trial qualified in its accuracy of what went on in that bedroom on Nov 3rd. It might be a very interesting trial, which might have to prove accreditation of this result from the machine, to be approved as evidenciary in the case.

Scandi

Dominique
02-20-2007, 02:51 PM
Me too Tazimom. LOL That Chico of ours is the Sleuther with the mostest to find that site! WOW is all I can say after reading about these inovatiions.

The Salient Stills machine works off of digital video surveillance I think, and so although I think it accomplishes the creation of a crime scene, I don't think our Sheriffs office were dealing with video. They take photos, I think, and there was no digital video that I have seen the Youngs had installed in their house. Don't we wish!

The system listed right below that, the "Tracer Forensic Lasar system - the ultimate tool for trace evidence detection, particularly of latent prints . . ." sounds to me like it fits. Now if the Salient Stills machine can take this same evidence and show a video diagram of the crime scene, that is what I saw on FF's.

Whatever Chico, I think you have discovered what this investigative team needed to make clear sense of what they saw at that crime scene. Thanks so much. Now it makes sense. LE needed an edge with the complicated crime scene they beheld. The most terrible one they had seen in 20+ years.

And I bet they have a video generated print out that will be trial qualified in its accuracy of what went on in that bedroom on Nov 3rd. It might be a very interesting trial, which might have to prove accreditation of this result from the machine, to be approved as evidenciary in the case.

Scandi

The Tracer sounds plausible as a special machine...now, how do we find out which local or state LE agency has one? :cool: How do we find out, too, how they loan it out and if the Wake Co. Sheriff's Dept. has been a loanee before.

scandi
02-20-2007, 03:07 PM
Hi Dominique,

Hmmmmm I wonder if this machine would be used by the ME's forensic investigative team or a county criminalist? I could see it both ways, but probably the ME's office, right?

We do have an 'in' with that office ;) in our Barney! I bet he could call them to ask about the machine and who would be the agency to develop footprints and map them out in the crime scene. Like Charlie, I think they will be very important. They will not be conclusive enough to maybe put him at the scene, but we don't know that.

Say if the carpet is Berber, there wouldn't be much indentation and definition of the foot. But if his feet were wet and had blood on them, they would leave marks to test. How many people could have been barefoot in the house to leave squishy foorprints with possible blood? Haa Haa Haa I don't think an intruder would take off his shoes, do you?

Think he'll try? LOLOLOL

Dominique
02-20-2007, 03:17 PM
Hi Dominique,

Hmmmmm I wonder if this machine would be used by the ME's forensic investigative team or a county criminalist? I could see it both ways, but probably the ME's office, right?

We do have an 'in' with that office ;) in our Barney! I bet he could call them to ask about the machine and who would be the agency to develop footprints and map them out in the crime scene. Like Charlie, I think they will be very important. They will not be conclusive enough to maybe put him at the scene, but we don't know that.

Say if the carpet is Berber, there wouldn't be much indentation and definition of the foot. But if his feet were wet and had blood on them, they would leave marks to test. How many people could have been barefoot in the house to leave squishy foorprints with possible blood? Haa Haa Haa I don't think an intruder would take off his shoes, do you?

Think he'll try? LOLOLOL

The TracEr is is used primarily for trace evidence and seem to be esp. suited to picking up latent fingerprint (footprints?). I wonder if they fumed the Young household w/anything?

I do wonder what they found...rrrrr...the questions!

panthera
02-20-2007, 03:55 PM
exactly RC.....

hoping one of these mornings i'm going to wake up, get online, check in here, & there will be a thread titled "an arrest has been made".....I've been away a few days and come back and still no arrest ~ and I'd really been hoping the same thing as you.

The latest thing over the weekend was an article about what would've been Michelle's 30th birthday. :(

panthera
02-20-2007, 04:02 PM
Scandi,

This is the kind of scenario I think of when thinking of that machine that was brought in. I think they were able to track the footsteps of the killer and most likely can come up with a size and characteristics of the killer's feet.:)I think the same thing. I saw that on CTV also and certainly there have to be some footprints on the carpet with the amount of blood at the crime scene. I wonder if it's Jason if he had his shoes on or off.

scandi
02-20-2007, 07:21 PM
Hi Panthera, I saw your post earlier, but didn't answer it because I didn't know the proper name for the physical exam JY was given by LE.

One of the things done to him was a special king of mold made of his barefeet, without shoes. We don't know why of course, but the general consensus was there must have been adult sized prints in the carpet that were visible but hard to discern at a forensic level. Scandi

raisincharlie
02-20-2007, 09:55 PM
Something like this?? about halfway down the page

http://www.crimeandclues.com/news.htmInteresting find Chico so I went on a search and found this:

http://www.coherentinc.com/Downloads/EFP%206%20Prf%201%20web.pdf

On the last page there are a couple of photos to demonstrate - very interesting.


Here is a link to CCBI - shows some of their technologies - ultraviolet and electrostatic dust lifters are mentioned but no laser technologies. You may be right on the ball there Chico !

http://www.wakegov.com/ccbi/investigations/duties.htm

strach304
02-20-2007, 10:42 PM
I really like the idea that this tracer is "the" machine we all speculated about when we first heard they brought in a special machine. At the time I wondered what machine they would need that they didn't already have. This is new so that's they didn't have it? Makes sense to me especially if you consider this particular crime scene.

I still maintain my opinion that there was evidence apparent of an attempted clean up that LE focused on right away. Indicates one of the reasons they felt it wasn't random right away. That area for me also would include taking and disposing of the murder weapon and other various items including valuables for the purpose of staging. Just felt like it was worth another mention and look at by my fellow posters.

raisincharlie
02-20-2007, 11:01 PM
I really like the idea that this tracer is "the" machine we all speculated about when we first heard they brought in a special machine. At the time I wondered what machine they would need that they didn't already have. This is new so that's they didn't have it? Makes sense to me especially if you consider this particular crime scene.

I still maintain my opinion that there was evidence apparent of an attempted clean up that LE focused on right away. Indicates one of the reasons they felt it wasn't random right away. That area for me also would include taking and disposing of the murder weapon and other various items including valuables for the purpose of staging. Just felt like it was worth another mention and look at by my fellow posters.
Strach,

I agree with you as I believe the killer cleaned up both himself and something about the scene itself. To the trained eye something was very obvious, I suspect cleaning up of the scene would be noticed quickly. If something was taken from the scene such as jewelry or money, it was an after thought as the killer forgot to show some form of forced entry to enhance the thought of an intruder. If it is true the drawers themselves were gone from the jewelry box - well that says a lot. Kind of messed up that angle IMO.

jilly
02-20-2007, 11:44 PM
Wow. Thank you Chico & RC for this very interesting info. I think I can now understand why this is taking so long - so much involved here. I think these cops were really on the ball here.

I have a question RC since you mentioned the jewellry box drawers. If in fact he did take the drawers, do you suppose that was because he knew his finger prints were on them? If this is the case, then of course he wasn't wearing gloves!!

Also, it makes sense why they wanted his palm print in the NTO.

You may be right RC that they are focusing on the motive right now (not that they have to) to pad their circumstantial case.

raisincharlie
02-20-2007, 11:56 PM
Wow. Thank you Chico & RC for this very interesting info. I think I can now understand why this is taking so long - so much involved here. I think these cops were really on the ball here.

I have a question RC since you mentioned the jewellry box drawers. If in fact he did take the drawers, do you suppose that was because he knew his finger prints were on them? If this is the case, then of course he wasn't wearing gloves!!

Also, it makes sense why they wanted his palm print in the NTO.

You may be right RC that they are focusing on the motive right now (not that they have to) to pad their circumstantial case.
Hello Jilly !

I'm thinking if JYs prints were on the jewelry box - it shouldn't matter as he lived in the home. If there was a bloody print I could see wiping it off or taking the drawers possibly but it makes no sense to me if it is true. The only thing I can think is someone defintiely wanted LE to think robbery - again if this is true but I seriously doubt it is. I just don't picture an intruder taking the drawers, one would think he would just stuff the jewelry (if it was even taken) in his pockets and leave.

jilly
02-21-2007, 12:48 AM
Hello Jilly !

I'm thinking if JYs prints were on the jewelry box - it shouldn't matter as he lived in the home. If there was a bloody print I could see wiping it off or taking the drawers possibly but it makes no sense to me if it is true. The only thing I can think is someone defintiely wanted LE to think robbery - again if this is true but I seriously doubt it is. I just don't picture an intruder taking the drawers, one would think he would just stuff the jewelry (if it was even taken) in his pockets and leave.

Yes I was thinking of bloody prints - I would think that the hand he used to beat her with would be covered in blood (shudder) and that afterwards he was in a panic state, shaking and just grabbed the drawers so as not to risk leaving bloody fingerprints in or on the drawers. I agree it doesn't make sense but this guy wasn't thinking right at this point imo. I mean the adrenelin would really be pumping you'd think.
I agree no intruder is going to take the drawers.

Hope you're having fun in Fla. I'm packing it in for tonite. See ya tomorrow!

scandi
02-21-2007, 12:56 AM
Gees, wouldn't you think he'd remember if he laid a bloody palm on something? For them to take a palm print do you think it would have to be bloody? That would be the only way to know it was put there during the crime, right?

AlfaGal
02-21-2007, 02:17 AM
Yes, that is exactly what I thought too Scandi. Either blood and or evidence detected with that machine of the palm print being wiped.

strach304
02-21-2007, 02:53 AM
Considering the source big if here but if true that the drawers were missing wouldn't that be more in line with being done deliberately to call attention to the jewelry being taken to LE? Doesn't seem like Michelle was wearing her rings since it's not in the AR. Possibly a few reasons for the jewelry to be taken but who at that point was gonna know jewelry was gone? Jason isn't talking to LE and the wedding rings being gone would be obvious, no? I'm pretty sure my family and friends would notice my jewelry that I wear every day being gone but other valuable jewelry in my jewelry box they couldn't say. The idea with taking the drawers looks staged imo but the idea was to make LE assume a burglary right away.

Of other interest to note, in the Robb case and the other murder last week in NC. LE searched the area for stuff disposed of from those murders. Now we know they didn't find anything in the Robb case but the other one they did and close by at that. I personally don't see the killer covering himself to avoid blood but rather he just disposed of those clothes and weapon.

Another thought that bothers me is Jason taking a shower at whatever hotel he was at. The room would've already been cleaned by the time LE got there. Hotels use many disinfectants and bleach.

nohat
02-21-2007, 11:22 AM
Maybe he was looking for her rings to put them back on her finger (didn't want it to look like there were any problems). Got prints on the drawers in the process & had to take them with him...

5bigfish5
02-21-2007, 12:30 PM
Maybe he was looking for her rings to put them back on her finger (didn't want it to look like there were any problems). Got prints on the drawers in the process & had to take them with him...

Hi nohat,

(Cute nic)

I hope Michelle hocked them, but I guess that is too much to hope for.

Cheers!

jilly
02-21-2007, 12:44 PM
Considering the source big if here but if true that the drawers were missing wouldn't that be more in line with being done deliberately to call attention to the jewelry being taken to LE? Doesn't seem like Michelle was wearing her rings since it's not in the AR. Possibly a few reasons for the jewelry to be taken but who at that point was gonna know jewelry was gone? Jason isn't talking to LE and the wedding rings being gone would be obvious, no? I'm pretty sure my family and friends would notice my jewelry that I wear every day being gone but other valuable jewelry in my jewelry box they couldn't say. The idea with taking the drawers looks staged imo but the idea was to make LE assume a burglary right away.

Of other interest to note, in the Robb case and the other murder last week in NC. LE searched the area for stuff disposed of from those murders. Now we know they didn't find anything in the Robb case but the other one they did and close by at that. I personally don't see the killer covering himself to avoid blood but rather he just disposed of those clothes and weapon.

Another thought that bothers me is Jason taking a shower at whatever hotel he was at. The room would've already been cleaned by the time LE got there. Hotels use many disinfectants and bleach.

Hi Strach! I can only draw from my personal experience with a burglary. The guy emptied our jewellry drawers and then threw them back on the dresser. That got my attention that our jewellry was gone.

It makes sense that he did not cover up and just disposed of everything along that Appalachian Trail as RC suggested.

The hotel is of no help imo - I don't think they knew of that until they searched his vehicle. JY wasn't talking from day 1.

On a side note, poster frenchbroad posted yesterday at CTV that JY was telling people up to 30 days prior to the murder that JY was telling people that Michelle kept calling him when he was out of town & saying that she could hear noises like someone breaking in.

Sounds like staging here to me. Premed. They had an alarm system that was not hooked up and a garage door that wasn't working. Seems that either Michelle or JY would have done something about it.

scandi
02-21-2007, 02:11 PM
I agree with you Jill, and would further say I think this info put out by Frenchbroad {an insider with an agenda as she has thrown out other things too} is a big fat Red Herring! JTF had brought this up mud Nov when she first started posting.

Alarm not connected, garage door not functioning properly - both simple things to fix if they were concerned for safety. Also JY was gone a lot during Sept and Oct, either on the road working or on a couple of trips.

If Michelle really was concerned she would have just taken care of these two simple things. I work for ADT, and any dealer will get you going on service for $99 activation fee and $34.99 a month! Almost nothing.

jilly
02-21-2007, 02:43 PM
I agree with you Jill, and would further say I think this info put out by Frenchbroad {an insider with an agenda as she has thrown out other things too} is a big fat Red Herring! JTF had brought this up mud Nov when she first started posting.

Alarm not connected, garage door not functioning properly - both simple things to fix if they were concerned for safety. Also JY was gone a lot during Sept and Oct, either on the road working or on a couple of trips.

If Michelle really was concerned she would have just taken care of these two simple things. I work for ADT, and any dealer will get you going on service for $99 activation fee and $34.99 a month! Almost nothing.

So are you saying that FB is a fraud? Today, s/he's brought up that he was complaining to female co-workers about his sx life. Said he told people at a trades convention. I thought that was a little suspect - way too similar to SP.

curious1
02-21-2007, 03:11 PM
Maybe he was complaining about his sex life and that part is true and maybe he was saying the other things about MY being scared of someone breaking in and this was false. I can see how he could tell the truth about one thing and lie about something else. Not such a stretch. You know?

jilly
02-21-2007, 03:22 PM
Maybe he was complaining about his sex life and that part is true and maybe he was saying the other things about MY being scared of someone breaking in and this was false. I can see how he could tell the truth about one thing and lie about something else. Not such a stretch. You know?

What gave me a little step back on that comment was the Trades Convention. We all knew about SP and what he did at his convention (HB). There are so many similarities in this case but this is really eerie if this did in fact happen imo.

But I get your point about lying and telling the truth. Actually I can see that he was having a problem with his sx life - he pursued MM.

curious1
02-21-2007, 03:31 PM
These guys really creep me out. Wish there was some way to 'know' about these guys before you get killed. I guess the problem is that when you are involved with them you just don't see it.

raisincharlie
02-21-2007, 11:10 PM
Yes I was thinking of bloody prints - I would think that the hand he used to beat her with would be covered in blood (shudder) and that afterwards he was in a panic state, shaking and just grabbed the drawers so as not to risk leaving bloody fingerprints in or on the drawers. I agree it doesn't make sense but this guy wasn't thinking right at this point imo. I mean the adrenelin would really be pumping you'd think.
I agree no intruder is going to take the drawers.

Hope you're having fun in Fla. I'm packing it in for tonite. See ya tomorrow!
Seems to me this fellow wasn't thinking right for quite some time and what he was thinking about, he shouldn't have been. JMO

I am having fun in Florida - went to the "Bubba Gump Shrimp Company" for dinner the other night - absolutely pigged out on seafood. My "instructor" arrived yesterday - I think she is stalking me - my buddy and I went to Shoji Sushi for dinner last night and not even a half hour later the "Princess" showed up at the same restaurant ! Keeping an eye out over my shoulder now...:crazy: Darn she can sure drive an Indy car-gutsy little freak. Made my day !

raisincharlie
02-21-2007, 11:15 PM
I agree with you Jill, and would further say I think this info put out by Frenchbroad {an insider with an agenda as she has thrown out other things too} is a big fat Red Herring! JTF had brought this up mud Nov when she first started posting.

Alarm not connected, garage door not functioning properly - both simple things to fix if they were concerned for safety. Also JY was gone a lot during Sept and Oct, either on the road working or on a couple of trips.

If Michelle really was concerned she would have just taken care of these two simple things. I work for ADT, and any dealer will get you going on service for $99 activation fee and $34.99 a month! Almost nothing.
Hey Scandi,

Do I take it that some of the "insiders" are now having a few thoughts about JY ? I find it rather hard to believe that a young mother with a 2 1/2 year roaming around the house and being pregnant again would leave doors unlocked. To me that has been a red herring from the begining. I just don't buy the intruder thing period - in the middle of the night, picking a house in between two other houses with a dog loose in the house - makes zero sense to me.:snooty:

strach304
02-22-2007, 12:45 PM
Bringing this over from CTV and will add to the links thread. Where are you Scandi? You're gonna love this one! You came right to mind as soon as I looked at the link for this therapist.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1211049/
http://www.genderjourney.com/default.aspx

ETA: This makes no sense to me.

jilly
02-22-2007, 12:51 PM
Holy Smokes! That's all I can say right now.

curious1
02-22-2007, 12:57 PM
Not sure what the big deal is. Just because a therapist works with and specializes in helping transgender people really might not mean anything. I went to a therapist for depression and she also specialized and dealt mainly with relationship therapy. The do multi-task as needed for the most part.


I do find it interesting from the stand point of what the heck did she tell the therapist about JY? Maybe she talked about being suspicious or knowing that he was having and/or had affairs. Did she talk about maybe she confronted JY and he reacted with violence? hmmmmm...........

Bellgardin
02-22-2007, 01:07 PM
Not sure what the big deal is. Just because a therapist works with and specializes in helping transgender people really might not mean anything. I went to a therapist for depression and she also specialized and dealt mainly with relationship therapy. The do multi-task as needed for the most part.
I agree. I don't think it's a big deal either. I don't think it's surprising for a therapist to do work with people with different types of issues. In the WRAL article in the last paragraph what really jumped out at me was this "...Part of her practice also involves contracts with companies where she provides counseling for employees through workplace programs..." I think this is more likely the reason she saw this particular person. My company has a program just like this and if I had the need I would go through that first, then they can refer you to someone in your area if it is needed. There would be no charge and it's confidential. More importantly, JY wouldn't have known about it since there was no bill. Maybe she just needed to talk to an objective third party and didn't feel like there was anyone else she could talk to.

curious1
02-22-2007, 01:22 PM
Ahhhh, good points Bellgardin, very good points. Oh, boy wonder what old JY is thinking now. He has got to be sweating bullets.

philamena
02-22-2007, 02:20 PM
JY should be sweating buckets. lol I still don't get why it's taking so long to arrest the POI. Surely all DNA test results are in now.

raisincharlie
02-22-2007, 02:23 PM
Ahhhh, good points Bellgardin, very good points. Oh, boy wonder what old JY is thinking now. He has got to be sweating bullets.Obviously there were some problems going on in this marriage - I think in the end what will become clear is Michelle shared these problems with others, sought advice and even consolation for these issues. Some people never mention the problems and no one ever knows except the problem person. Here I believe Michelle has exposed the truth of the problems, she has a voice in this matter, and hopefully that voice will help to bring the sick individual who chose to murder her to justice.

scandi
02-22-2007, 02:45 PM
Bringing this over from CTV and will add to the links thread. Where are you Scandi? You're gonna love this one! You came right to mind as soon as I looked at the link for this therapist.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1211049/
http://www.genderjourney.com/default.aspx

ETA: This makes no sense to me.

Hi Sweetie, Oh, you thought of me re: a transgender psychologist? LOL Just Yokin'

It is very interesting, and am so happy Michelle is now going to be able to in essence speak from her grave. I agree there were problems in this marriage, evidently from the go get. It is hard to speculate exactly what Michelle's concerns were, as they could be many, or even varied in the relationship with JY. I want to discount any info from insiders we have had, like the recent statement that JY had a problem with her sex-wise.

Maybe he was a bit kinky and all mixed up sexually. Who knows. A late bloomer. You think you're marrying a normal guy and then he like to wear your garter belt; well it would give way to some real questions if he was my guy!
:eek: Scandi

raisincharlie
02-22-2007, 02:48 PM
A new poster at CTV, sosad, has indicated that a couple, was traveling to Michelle and Jason's for the homecoming weekend on the Friday Michelle was found. If this is true, it pretty much blows out of the water JY's trip to see his parents as being a trip of convenience. Me thinks the natives are getting very restless and there will soon be more information forthcoming.

Looks to me like momma's boy ran home after he was very bad...JMO.

scandi
02-22-2007, 05:47 PM
Ah Haa! Thanks Charlie. That's what I thought all along, he got the big boot in the rumpski! And I think your idea of him biding time around Duffield, in familiar territory, was also the case.

I'm glad the natives are restless now, as it is about time to learn the real events . I also hope this insider is telling the truth, and can give something of confirmation.

Oh boy, bet it's hot over at CTV. This gal has to work today! :banghead: , so I won't even temp myself by going over there. ;}

So that is 2 new things today. right:

1} Michelle saw a psychologist who has given notes to LE and is cooperating
2} 2 friends were on their way to go to game with JY and Michelle

reb
02-22-2007, 08:00 PM
so what's up folks, did they get the husband yet or not?

fran
02-22-2007, 08:39 PM
so what's up folks, did they get the husband yet or not?

From what I can see not yet, but they're still working on it! IMHO, his days of freedom are numbered! ;)

JMHO
fran

Samiya
02-22-2007, 10:27 PM
Hampton Inn Location. Thanks to RPD at CTV forum :)


http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?postid=9185628#post9185628

Sami

raisincharlie
02-22-2007, 10:56 PM
Hampton Inn Location. Thanks to RPD at CTV forum :)


http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?postid=9185628#post9185628

SamiWell, 2.5 hours away - plenty of time regardless of where the meeting was suppose to be. According to RR, Jy left Raleigh either at 4 pm or 6 pm - 4 pm sounds more logical due to rush hour traffic. Darn that just blows gbmy's probabilities up in smoke as Jy could have left Raleigh at 6 am and made a meeting in Duffield at 11...poor gbmy, his poor probabilites just got smoked big time.

I bet someone is doing some serious studying on what was said to a therapist right about now.:behindbar

I wonder if the rumored Drs appointment was actually with the therapist ?

Samiya
02-22-2007, 11:24 PM
Well, 2.5 hours away - plenty of time regardless of where the meeting was suppose to be. According to RR, Jy left Raleigh either at 4 pm or 6 pm - 4 pm sounds more logical due to rush hour traffic. Darn that just blows gbmy's probabilities up in smoke as Jy could have left Raleigh at 6 am and made a meeting in Duffield at 11...poor gbmy, his poor probabilites just got smoked big time.

I bet someone is doing some serious studying on what was said to a therapist right about now.:behindbar

I wonder if the rumored Drs appointment was actually with the therapist ?
I just posted in ctv that I hope LE checked the computers in the 'business room' of the HI. There's a photo on their website that shows two computers. There is also Wireless internet in all public areas, including rooms.

Thanks again to you and Buzz for the weather info.....it was extremely helpful :)

Hugs
Sami
xxx

pack_fan
02-22-2007, 11:30 PM
2 1/2 hours, hmmm....

Good work Barney, btw.

Today has been a good day. I would now like to know if there was indeed a business meeting. Seems rather unlikely to me now since someone came forward earlier at ctv and said they had guests coming in town so I'll be right back with the way it all went down.....

Stay tuned, really just need to switch computers.

raisincharlie
02-22-2007, 11:40 PM
I just posted in ctv that I hope LE checked the computers in the 'business room' of the HI. There's a photo on their website that shows two computers. There is also Wireless internet in all public areas, including rooms.

Thanks again to you and Buzz for the weather info.....it was extremely helpful :)

Hugs
Sami
xxx
Sami,

The computer from the SUV was a Dell Latitude - not sure what the 620 is but am willing to believe it had bluetooth technology. I have a Latitude and it is equipped with bluetooth. So with probability (been taking lessons on probability lately) in play I would say there is a greater chance the 620 had wireless capability. I suspect it did not go unnoticed about the business room computers - early on LE collected a library key card at the residence - computers and access were high priorities in this investigation it seems.

pack_fan
02-23-2007, 12:08 AM
Alright, here goes. Some of this could be factual, maybe, most is pure crap but it's my story and I'm sticking too it. Also noted that I am taking into consideration things that i have heard that have yet to be reported, so here goes.

MY was in therapy, I could not verify this information but heard it within a week of the murder. Source seems good so I will also say that she had told her family and JY that she was leaving him (maybe this will come out later). Makes a lot of sense now why the Fishers immediately pointed the finger at JY, huh? I will also go out on a limb here, jmo of course, that if LF could get her hands on Cassidy, I would bet that she would do anything to keep her away from JY since she seems convinced that JY is the perp.

I had previously beleived that JY did have a business meeting but am seriously doubting this now. I can't verify that people were coming to stay with the Youngs but I would tend to beleive that this poster is credible for several reasons. First of all, they were big fans and had lifetime rights. These are neither cheap or even all that easy to get. They had lots of friends and had a specific spot that they met before games. At times, there could have been 50 or more people tailgating together and this was in fact homecoming weekend, big game. Secondly, don't know this first hand but I do beleive they had guests often. Several of their friends from out of town would stay when they came in town. I beleive that it will come out that it was not a meeting but he will try to say he was cold calling on customers. For some reason I am doubting that the insurance was the reason for the murder. I now beleive that he was tired of being married and MY had the nerve to leave HIM. The trip to the parents seems illogical if they had people coming to visit and it seems by the tone of sosad, it was friends of his. His friends called them to let them know the news.

So, I'm thinking that he may have considered it before but not acted on it. With people coming, doesn't seem logical that he would invite friends to come and stay if he had planned this way in advance. I think the marriage was in shambles, and it wore on him. Don't know when the therapy started but it said soon before the murder. I suspect that she had told him in the last week that it was coming to an end. The business meeting was just an excuse imo and bet that it will end up being false. I do think he called his parents a couple of days in advance, started thinking about an alibi and figured a business meeting with a hotel stay just over the va line and a trip to brevard should be enough to cover for him.

IMO, when you are trying to cya, you WILL make a mistake. Seems as some of those mistakes and discrepencies are starting to show.

raisincharlie
02-23-2007, 12:50 AM
Alright, here goes. Some of this could be factual, maybe, most is pure crap but it's my story and I'm sticking too it. Also noted that I am taking into consideration things that i have heard that have yet to be reported, so here goes.

MY was in therapy, I could not verify this information but heard it within a week of the murder. Source seems good so I will also say that she had told her family and JY that she was leaving him (maybe this will come out later). Makes a lot of sense now why the Fishers immediately pointed the finger at JY, huh? I will also go out on a limb here, jmo of course, that if LF could get her hands on Cassidy, I would bet that she would do anything to keep her away from JY since she seems convinced that JY is the perp.

I had previously beleived that JY did have a business meeting but am seriously doubting this now. I can't verify that people were coming to stay with the Youngs but I would tend to beleive that this poster is credible for several reasons. First of all, they were big fans and had lifetime rights. These are neither cheap or even all that easy to get. They had lots of friends and had a specific spot that they met before games. At times, there could have been 50 or more people tailgating together and this was in fact homecoming weekend, big game. Secondly, don't know this first hand but I do beleive they had guests often. Several of their friends from out of town would stay when they came in town. I beleive that it will come out that it was not a meeting but he will try to say he was cold calling on customers. For some reason I am doubting that the insurance was the reason for the murder. I now beleive that he was tired of being married and MY had the nerve to leave HIM. The trip to the parents seems illogical if they had people coming to visit and it seems by the tone of sosad, it was friends of his. His friends called them to let them know the news.

So, I'm thinking that he may have considered it before but not acted on it. With people coming, doesn't seem logical that he would invite friends to come and stay if he had planned this way in advance. I think the marriage was in shambles, and it wore on him. Don't know when the therapy started but it said soon before the murder. I suspect that she had told him in the last week that it was coming to an end. The business meeting was just an excuse imo and bet that it will end up being false. I do think he called his parents a couple of days in advance, started thinking about an alibi and figured a business meeting with a hotel stay just over the va line and a trip to brevard should be enough to cover for him.

IMO, when you are trying to cya, you WILL make a mistake. Seems as some of those mistakes and discrepencies are starting to show.pack_fan,

Hope you are doing good !

My first reaction upon hearing today's news was Michelle has a voice and it will speak partially through this therapist but also through family and friends. I think Michelle did indeed confide in friends/family and most likely tried everything she could think of to try to save the marriage rather than just let it go. But I believe she reached her breaking point. I do believe she told JY it was done and there may have been several reasons.

I go back to the accident in May - many insiders claim JY thought the back door of the SUV popped open and turned around to look thus going off the road. I do not believe this tale - there are rear view mirrors in SUVs. Personally I believe this incident instigated a whole series of events as I think JY was messing around while driving and this stupidity ended in both the wreck and the loss of a baby which greatly affected Michelle at a very deep level. JMO - but this was the starting point for the snowball to he11.

With what has come out lately, the CA trip, the job change, the supposed 3 month relationship all pretty much point to a marriage in dire straights and a fellow more concerned about himself than his family. Without going into all my reasons for thinking this, I believe Michelle told him she wanted a divorce, she wanted an end. I do believe he knew this for a while. Here is were I think the whole problem lies - JY and MY argued over this but the big issue was in reality Cassidy - there is a reason that baby was left alive and there is a reason JY had to get someone over there to find her.

I believe at some point Michelle just absolutely could not take anymore of him and the issue of Cassidy was thrown at JY in anger - I know that sounds bad and I mean no disrespect to Michelle by saying this. I believe an argument over Cassidy is what set JY off - by law the only way he would have Cassidy is to prove Michelle was a bad mother (given what we know of her - probably no where near provable) or he had to eliminate Michelle. For some reason I just don't get the feeling that JY spent significant time planning how to do this but I also believe at some point before Michelle died he did make up his mind she would be eliminated.

I do not believe there was a "scheduled" meeting, maybe a drop by just to check in but not a true meeting, nor do I believe the trip to Brevard was planned several days in advance. I do think JY left Raleigh before Michelle came home on Thursday - I do not believe he could face either her or Cassidy. It bothers me a great deal that there is no mention of Michelle's wedding rings in the AR - I know the ladies here have given good reasons why she may have not had them on but I think that reason had nothing to do with being pregnant. For some reason I do not believe Michelle was unaware of JYs affairs, and I use plural because I do believe there were others, maybe one night stands or along those lines. I believe his pursuit of MM was targeted and laced with spite - JMO as I believe he used her just as he used Meredith. I have great sympathy for both of those young ladies and hope that each can find peace soon.

So on many levels we agree - but I see JYs motive as much deeper than an insurance policy or freedom. I believe there was a call that evening and I do believe he took Michelle very seriously during that phone call - the rest is incredibly sickening and sad. JMO

ETA - I think we will hear the wedding photos were collected from the home for reasons other than identifying people.

scandi
02-23-2007, 02:10 AM
Two brilliant posts PackFan and Charlie. Thanks to both of you. My, we have some movers and shakers on this forum!

So you think he called her after having left with luggage, knowing it was all over between them. Maybe an I love you and can't live withough you and Cassidy, and in no uncertain terms she let him know that she would fight the fight in the divorce to where he would not even have visitation rights with Cassidy. I'm sure she had enough proof for that with his lifestyle and antics, and he knew it.

Then it is like you said Charlie, he knew he could never prove Michelle was a bad mother and he wasn't going to live his life without Cassidy, so he had to kill her.

Crazy isn't it. He didn't think it through. It wasn't that well planned, murder 1 would pull life without parole and she would be out of his life anyway. The only way to win would be to walk out of their lives with his tail between his legs, and his ego of being burned by her wouldn't let him do that.


PS: I still think Michelle learned about JY and MM after he had left that Thursday afternoon in a phone conversation she had with MM. So when he called her late at night, she was beside herself with anger, and JY knew the writing was on the wall.

Really sad. It makes me so sad to realize how this probably went down. Thinking of Cassidy, who I think still remembers what she saw and yet just loves her Daddy. She's Daddy's girl. I think she always was.


ETA: You think he busted up the wedding photos Charlie by throwing them across the room before he attacked her, which might have been a big clue to LE it was not a random murder?

strach304
02-23-2007, 09:32 AM
In the news report it states that LE requested the court order for the therapist records as having info pertinent to the case and they could not get that info any other way. (my wording rc) I tend to think it's verification for what we know LE has been looking at all along anyway difference being it proves she confided in someone professional and not hearsay. Didn't that come up at Laci's trial? I wouldn't want therapy for my spouse cheating but throw in that it's with someone near and dear to me and it's a whole new issue. Catalyst that started a serious fight that may have thrown both into a rage that night and put Michelle in the frame of mind like RC stated could be she found out MM was pregnant and it might be Jason's. We know she is but not how far. MM may have even opted for an abortion if so after MY's killing. Nothing would surprise me at this point.

RC, I was posting on the ctv board the other night trying to get a straight answer about the couple coming to stay with them that weekend to try and figure out if that trip to his mothers was as we speculated a last minute excuse to be way from the scene of the crime. Looks like we had it all figured out right from the start. There was no emergency or special event in Brevard imo that sent him there instead of home. That couple and the plans prove that he was supposed to return home imo. I said his parents would hide behind his lawyer and not give LE that info and I still believe that. They found out anyway.

jilly
02-23-2007, 09:44 AM
Thank you pacfan, rc. Very very interesting.

Scandi - I like that about randon/wedding pictures.

I'm not so sure how it all went down yet. The friends of jy's were travelling on the Friday. I'm just wondering if the youngs' were planning on making face so to speak until this weekend was over. Then maybe jy thought the fact that the friends were coming too would make it even more convincing that he would not murder Michelle?

Whatever, imo jy planned this.

raisincharlie
02-23-2007, 09:51 AM
Scandi,


I could be way off base about those wedding photos but from the begining something keep igging me about them and it wasn't for identification of other persons. I cannot exactly make up my mind about who did what to them if something was indeed done. I think there is a possibility that JY himself could have done something with them before he left but I also think it is equally possible MY could have thrown them at some point. I just don't know but I do think there was something about those photos that contributed to LE's thought processes at the scene. Just a feeling I have had for a long time that cannot be explained.

PS - I'm not sure JY called Michelle that evening - it may have been the other way around and it may have been much earlier than 11 pm, like before the GA friend arrived if Jason left before Michelle got home.

Jess
02-23-2007, 09:57 AM
What IF Michelle had cut Jason out of the pictures ! ?

pack_fan
02-23-2007, 10:03 AM
Scandi,


I could be way off base about those wedding photos but from the begining something keep igging me about them and it wasn't for identification of other persons. I cannot exactly make up my mind about who did what to them if something was indeed done. I think there is a possibility that JY himself could have done something with them before he left but I also think it is equally possible MY could have thrown them at some point. I just don't know but I do think there was something about those photos that contributed to LE's thought processes at the scene. Just a feeling I have had for a long time that cannot be explained.
ITA that they were not taken for identification purposes. I think they were used as a weapon at some point and time and possibly contain some sort of dna evidence. I don't see LE taking them just because they were broken. A simple picture could have done that for them. Also, if it was just blood splatter, they could have just taken samples of the blood and moved on. I think there is some sort of evidence contained on those photos. Either prints from the perp if he grabbed it, or possible dna if Michelle tried to grab it and fight back. It would have been something that would have been close by and LE indicated early on that they suspected that the perp may have been injured.

There's my 2 cents, spend them wisely....

pack_fan
02-23-2007, 10:05 AM
What IF Michelle had cut Jason out of the pictures ! ?
Had not thought of that, but that would make sense too, Jess.

Quit coming up with good ideas, you are just confusing me :confused: .

pack_fan
02-23-2007, 10:08 AM
pack_fan,

Hope you are doing good !

My first reaction upon hearing today's news was Michelle has a voice and it will speak partially through this therapist but also through family and friends. I think Michelle did indeed confide in friends/family and most likely tried everything she could think of to try to save the marriage rather than just let it go. But I believe she reached her breaking point. I do believe she told JY it was done and there may have been several reasons.

I go back to the accident in May - many insiders claim JY thought the back door of the SUV popped open and turned around to look thus going off the road. I do not believe this tale - there are rear view mirrors in SUVs. Personally I believe this incident instigated a whole series of events as I think JY was messing around while driving and this stupidity ended in both the wreck and the loss of a baby which greatly affected Michelle at a very deep level. JMO - but this was the starting point for the snowball to he11.

With what has come out lately, the CA trip, the job change, the supposed 3 month relationship all pretty much point to a marriage in dire straights and a fellow more concerned about himself than his family. Without going into all my reasons for thinking this, I believe Michelle told him she wanted a divorce, she wanted an end. I do believe he knew this for a while. Here is were I think the whole problem lies - JY and MY argued over this but the big issue was in reality Cassidy - there is a reason that baby was left alive and there is a reason JY had to get someone over there to find her.

I believe at some point Michelle just absolutely could not take anymore of him and the issue of Cassidy was thrown at JY in anger - I know that sounds bad and I mean no disrespect to Michelle by saying this. I believe an argument over Cassidy is what set JY off - by law the only way he would have Cassidy is to prove Michelle was a bad mother (given what we know of her - probably no where near provable) or he had to eliminate Michelle. For some reason I just don't get the feeling that JY spent significant time planning how to do this but I also believe at some point before Michelle died he did make up his mind she would be eliminated.

I do not believe there was a "scheduled" meeting, maybe a drop by just to check in but not a true meeting, nor do I believe the trip to Brevard was planned several days in advance. I do think JY left Raleigh before Michelle came home on Thursday - I do not believe he could face either her or Cassidy. It bothers me a great deal that there is no mention of Michelle's wedding rings in the AR - I know the ladies here have given good reasons why she may have not had them on but I think that reason had nothing to do with being pregnant. For some reason I do not believe Michelle was unaware of JYs affairs, and I use plural because I do believe there were others, maybe one night stands or along those lines. I believe his pursuit of MM was targeted and laced with spite - JMO as I believe he used her just as he used Meredith. I have great sympathy for both of those young ladies and hope that each can find peace soon.

So on many levels we agree - but I see JYs motive as much deeper than an insurance policy or freedom. I believe there was a call that evening and I do believe he took Michelle very seriously during that phone call - the rest is incredibly sickening and sad. JMO

ETA - I think we will hear the wedding photos were collected from the home for reasons other than identifying people.
You said it so much better than I could have.

As you can clearly see, I wasn't an English major, nor did I do particularly well at it.

raisincharlie
02-23-2007, 10:35 AM
In the news report it states that LE requested the court order for the therapist records as having info pertinent to the case and they could not get that info any other way. (my wording rc) I tend to think it's verification for what we know LE has been looking at all along anyway difference being it proves she confided in someone professional and not hearsay. Didn't that come up at Laci's trial? I wouldn't want therapy for my spouse cheating but throw in that it's with someone near and dear to me and it's a whole new issue. Catalyst that started a serious fight that may have thrown both into a rage that night and put Michelle in the frame of mind like RC stated could be she found out MM was pregnant and it might be Jason's. We know she is but not how far. MM may have even opted for an abortion if so after MY's killing. Nothing would surprise me at this point.

RC, I was posting on the ctv board the other night trying to get a straight answer about the couple coming to stay with them that weekend to try and figure out if that trip to his mothers was as we speculated a last minute excuse to be way from the scene of the crime. Looks like we had it all figured out right from the start. There was no emergency or special event in Brevard imo that sent him there instead of home. That couple and the plans prove that he was supposed to return home imo. I said his parents would hide behind his lawyer and not give LE that info and I still believe that. They found out anyway.
Strach,

I tend to think that Michelle did somehow find out about MM, but I just don't know about this pregnancy thing. No thoughts on it really as I tend to see it as outside the "box" of this case - don't know why I think that, just do. What I project is a young woman who really wanted family and lost a baby sometime in June - the emotions of that have to be overwhelming. Then quickly gets pregnant again so another layer of emotions is added on top of that. Then the husband decides to foot the bill for himself and three others, maybe more, for a vacation from one side of the country to the other against the best wishes of the young woman - another layer.

Then the husband takes another job which allows him great distance and travel away from home when his wife needs his emotional support, he starts some kind of relationship with a woman who is conveniently in another state (this makes zero sense to me in terms of calling it a serious relationship by either party). I don't know, but I see a lot of things being thrown at Michelle very quickly and while I am not a big fan of therapy - I can see how she might have needed help at some point to deal with all of it, especially if she felt JY was going outside the marriage.

As you know - I never saw the trip to Brevard as a matter of convenience but rather necessity. I think it was either arranged Thursday evening or Friday morning. I also don't believe there was a conventional meeting scheduled - maybe drop bys to visit but not really meetings. Not sure it was part of a murder plan as much as a need to be away from Michelle until the company arrived. Returning home on Saturday for the big game and with company already at the house - JY could minimize any potential contact and/or confrontation with Michelle. See where I'm going, I'm still not sure he concocted some big plan over time to kill his wife.

I do think there was some form of confrontation that spurred him to return to Raleigh the night Michelle was killed, perhaps a phone call. He was only 2.5 hours away - if he told her his plans she may well have told him not to return period. If I was 2.5 hours from my wife and she was po'd with me during a phone call - I 'd go home to try and resolve the problem...just saying.

Taximom
02-23-2007, 12:42 PM
Interesting info about a therapist being a part of this. I have to wonder how much info the therapist would have if the therapy had just started. It usually takes a few sessions to completely open up about what is really going on. I hope there's enough to give LE what they need.

I'm picturing Michelle trying to keep her life and their marriage together, all while Jason is trying to selfishly make it all better for HIM. :razz:

I seriously can't wait for Bubba to give Jason a little "therapy".

close_enough
02-23-2007, 07:22 PM
Strach,

I tend to think that Michelle did somehow find out about MM, but I just don't know about this pregnancy thing. No thoughts on it really as I tend to see it as outside the "box" of this case - don't know why I think that, just do. What I project is a young woman who really wanted family and lost a baby sometime in June - the emotions of that have to be overwhelming. Then quickly gets pregnant again so another layer of emotions is added on top of that. Then the husband decides to foot the bill for himself and three others, maybe more, for a vacation from one side of the country to the other against the best wishes of the young woman - another layer.

Then the husband takes another job which allows him great distance and travel away from home when his wife needs his emotional support, he starts some kind of relationship with a woman who is conveniently in another state (this makes zero sense to me in terms of calling it a serious relationship by either party). I don't know, but I see a lot of things being thrown at Michelle very quickly and while I am not a big fan of therapy - I can see how she might have needed help at some point to deal with all of it, especially if she felt JY was going outside the marriage.

As you know - I never saw the trip to Brevard as a matter of convenience but rather necessity. I think it was either arranged Thursday evening or Friday morning. I also don't believe there was a conventional meeting scheduled - maybe drop bys to visit but not really meetings. Not sure it was part of a murder plan as much as a need to be away from Michelle until the company arrived. Returning home on Saturday for the big game and with company already at the house - JY could minimize any potential contact and/or confrontation with Michelle. See where I'm going, I'm still not sure he concocted some big plan over time to kill his wife.

I do think there was some form of confrontation that spurred him to return to Raleigh the night Michelle was killed, perhaps a phone call. He was only 2.5 hours away - if he told her his plans she may well have told him not to return period. If I was 2.5 hours from my wife and she was po'd with me during a phone call - I 'd go home to try and resolve the problem...just saying.

great way to catch up here, betw Strach & you.....INTERESTING stuff for sure.....a therapist, hmmmm

there being a confrontation is looking more likely, for sure...thinking....

close_enough
02-23-2007, 07:27 PM
Two brilliant posts PackFan and Charlie. Thanks to both of you. My, we have some movers and shakers on this forum!

So you think he called her after having left with luggage, knowing it was all over between them. Maybe an I love you and can't live withough you and Cassidy, and in no uncertain terms she let him know that she would fight the fight in the divorce to where he would not even have visitation rights with Cassidy. I'm sure she had enough proof for that with his lifestyle and antics, and he knew it.

Then it is like you said Charlie, he knew he could never prove Michelle was a bad mother and he wasn't going to live his life without Cassidy, so he had to kill her.

Crazy isn't it. He didn't think it through. It wasn't that well planned, murder 1 would pull life without parole and she would be out of his life anyway. The only way to win would be to walk out of their lives with his tail between his legs, and his ego of being burned by her wouldn't let him do that.


PS: I still think Michelle learned about JY and MM after he had left that Thursday afternoon in a phone conversation she had with MM. So when he called her late at night, she was beside herself with anger, and JY knew the writing was on the wall.

Really sad. It makes me so sad to realize how this probably went down. Thinking of Cassidy, who I think still remembers what she saw and yet just loves her Daddy. She's Daddy's girl. I think she always was.


ETA: You think he busted up the wedding photos Charlie by throwing them across the room before he attacked her, which might have been a big clue to LE it was not a random murder?

possible,,,or her throwing them...maybe that's the part of the dry wall they removed upstairs???...where the pictures were thrown against the wall?

close_enough
02-23-2007, 07:37 PM
Alright, here goes. Some of this could be factual, maybe, most is pure crap but it's my story and I'm sticking too it. Also noted that I am taking into consideration things that i have heard that have yet to be reported, so here goes.

MY was in therapy, I could not verify this information but heard it within a week of the murder. Source seems good so I will also say that she had told her family and JY that she was leaving him (maybe this will come out later). Makes a lot of sense now why the Fishers immediately pointed the finger at JY, huh? I will also go out on a limb here, jmo of course, that if LF could get her hands on Cassidy, I would bet that she would do anything to keep her away from JY since she seems convinced that JY is the perp.

I had previously beleived that JY did have a business meeting but am seriously doubting this now. I can't verify that people were coming to stay with the Youngs but I would tend to beleive that this poster is credible for several reasons. First of all, they were big fans and had lifetime rights. These are neither cheap or even all that easy to get. They had lots of friends and had a specific spot that they met before games. At times, there could have been 50 or more people tailgating together and this was in fact homecoming weekend, big game. Secondly, don't know this first hand but I do beleive they had guests often. Several of their friends from out of town would stay when they came in town. I beleive that it will come out that it was not a meeting but he will try to say he was cold calling on customers. For some reason I am doubting that the insurance was the reason for the murder. I now beleive that he was tired of being married and MY had the nerve to leave HIM. The trip to the parents seems illogical if they had people coming to visit and it seems by the tone of sosad, it was friends of his. His friends called them to let them know the news.

So, I'm thinking that he may have considered it before but not acted on it. With people coming, doesn't seem logical that he would invite friends to come and stay if he had planned this way in advance. I think the marriage was in shambles, and it wore on him. Don't know when the therapy started but it said soon before the murder. I suspect that she had told him in the last week that it was coming to an end. The business meeting was just an excuse imo and bet that it will end up being false. I do think he called his parents a couple of days in advance, started thinking about an alibi and figured a business meeting with a hotel stay just over the va line and a trip to brevard should be enough to cover for him.

IMO, when you are trying to cya, you WILL make a mistake. Seems as some of those mistakes and discrepencies are starting to show.

yes it does...& thanks so much for this info/your thoughts....i love the fact that you're from there...:)

close_enough
02-23-2007, 07:39 PM
Thank you pacfan, rc. Very very interesting.

Scandi - I like that about randon/wedding pictures.

I'm not so sure how it all went down yet. The friends of jy's were travelling on the Friday. I'm just wondering if the youngs' were planning on making face so to speak until this weekend was over. Then maybe jy thought the fact that the friends were coming too would make it even more convincing that he would not murder Michelle?

Whatever, imo jy planned this.

i'm not either...we need some LE leaks!!

caffeinatd
02-23-2007, 08:02 PM
I saw earlier on this thread a discussion about crime scene evidence collection and equipment, I just stumbled on this from the CCBI site.
Thought some of you might be interested. I was bummed to CCBI sends specimens to SBI labs for processing, and I hear they are months behind in processing DNA. MOO

http://www.wakegov.com/ccbi/duties.htm

scandi
02-23-2007, 08:50 PM
ITA that they were not taken for identification purposes. I think they were used as a weapon at some point and time and possibly contain some sort of dna evidence. I don't see LE taking them just because they were broken. A simple picture could have done that for them. Also, if it was just blood splatter, they could have just taken samples of the blood and moved on. I think there is some sort of evidence contained on those photos. Either prints from the perp if he grabbed it, or possible dna if Michelle tried to grab it and fight back. It would have been something that would have been close by and LE indicated early on that they suspected that the perp may have been injured.

There's my 2 cents, spend them wisely....

I wonder if her left thumb was cut by glass or the frame from one of those pictures? If she reached for it as he bashed it, I could see that happening. Oh, Oh, maybe this has something to do with LE saying they thought the perp had been injured! Maybe a dab of his blood or a partial print . . . on a piece of broken glass, something he wouldn't notice!

jilly
02-23-2007, 09:03 PM
i'm not either...we need some LE leaks!!


It seems very odd that he would be going to his parents on a big game weekend when his friends are arriving on the Friday to stay with them. To help me figure out how this murder went down it would help me to know when he let his parents know that he was coming.

If he phoned his parents a few days beforehand then I think he planned the whole thing (to murder her). What better time than this particular weekend with his friends coming.

If he phoned his parents Thurs nite or Friday morning then I agree with RCs theory.

jilly
02-23-2007, 09:18 PM
I saw earlier on this thread a discussion about crime scene evidence collection and equipment, I just stumbled on this from the CCBI site.
Thought some of you might be interested. I was bummed to CCBI sends specimens to SBI labs for processing, and I hear they are months behind in processing DNA. MOO

http://www.wakegov.com/ccbi/duties.htm

Hi Caffeinatd. Thanks for thinking of us. There was an interesting conversation around post #65, in case you missed it. :)

caffeinatd
02-23-2007, 09:50 PM
Hi Caffeinatd. Thanks for thinking of us. There was an interesting conversation around post #65, in case you missed it. :)
Sorry, I hadn't seen this already posted., Does anyone know how far behind SBI really is?

scandi
02-23-2007, 10:38 PM
Hi Cafeinatd,

Thanks for the link sweetie. I was amazed that this quite small dept has gone to the effort to have such a sophisticated web site. My opera singing brother just had a gig in Raleigh {think I posted about this before ;} but he was very impressed with the city and of course the campus of Duke where they had a concert in their cathedral. I guess the church is absolutely special, so it goes without saying this whole area does spark hard working people into great things.

I believe I read that SBI is 7 months behind. But someone posted somewhere that they do put rapes, murders, etc as a priority before other cases.


PS: Did you notice that electrostatic print analyzer on your link Cafeinatd. I think it must be an exceptional tool, and wonder if they used that in analyzing the adult footprints that there must have been at the scene.

Sorry to digress here, but I just think there are a couple of things forensics found at the crime scene that were evidence of JY's presence there. None of them on their own are either conclusive enough to warrant an arrest, but when everything is added up together, don't you think they should be right about there in having a solid airtight case?

close_enough
02-23-2007, 11:47 PM
It seems very odd that he would be going to his parents on a big game weekend when his friends are arriving on the Friday to stay with them. To help me figure out how this murder went down it would help me to know when he let his parents know that he was coming.
If he phoned his parents a few days beforehand then I think he planned the whole thing (to murder her). What better time than this particular weekend with his friends coming.
If he phoned his parents Thurs nite or Friday morning then I agree with RCs theory.

yes, yes......& i'd like to know the actual time this 'document' was printed "from the computer in the home"....the document was found on the printer, right?...it didn't state IN the printer...ugh :doh: i can't remember, but i think i'm right......

close_enough
02-23-2007, 11:52 PM
Sorry, I hadn't seen this already posted., Does anyone know how far behind SBI really is?

i don't.....it's been 16 weeks, today...

jilly
02-24-2007, 12:21 AM
yes, yes......& i'd like to know the actual time this 'document' was printed "from the computer in the home"....the document was found on the printer, right?...it didn't state IN the printer...ugh :doh: i can't remember, but i think i'm right......

Hiya Close! I don't remember either!! I should have kept a notebook! I think it's just fantastic that RPD got the Hotel!! LOL - 2 1/2 hr head start!

I think they're going to solve this case!!

close_enough
02-24-2007, 01:52 AM
Hiya Close! I don't remember either!! I should have kept a notebook! I think it's just fantastic that RPD got the Hotel!! LOL - 2 1/2 hr head start!
I think they're going to solve this case!!

:eek: ...pretty much what we all figured...not far away....thanks so much for responding to me Jilly...i didn't know that!!

strach304
02-24-2007, 02:51 AM
Strach,

I tend to think that Michelle did somehow find out about MM, but I just don't know about this pregnancy thing. No thoughts on it really as I tend to see it as outside the "box" of this case - don't know why I think that, just do. What I project is a young woman who really wanted family and lost a baby sometime in June - the emotions of that have to be overwhelming. Then quickly gets pregnant again so another layer of emotions is added on top of that. Then the husband decides to foot the bill for himself and three others, maybe more, for a vacation from one side of the country to the other against the best wishes of the young woman - another layer.

Then the husband takes another job which allows him great distance and travel away from home when his wife needs his emotional support, he starts some kind of relationship with a woman who is conveniently in another state (this makes zero sense to me in terms of calling it a serious relationship by either party). I don't know, but I see a lot of things being thrown at Michelle very quickly and while I am not a big fan of therapy - I can see how she might have needed help at some point to deal with all of it, especially if she felt JY was going outside the marriage.

As you know - I never saw the trip to Brevard as a matter of convenience but rather necessity. I think it was either arranged Thursday evening or Friday morning. I also don't believe there was a conventional meeting scheduled - maybe drop bys to visit but not really meetings. Not sure it was part of a murder plan as much as a need to be away from Michelle until the company arrived. Returning home on Saturday for the big game and with company already at the house - JY could minimize any potential contact and/or confrontation with Michelle. See where I'm going, I'm still not sure he concocted some big plan over time to kill his wife.

I do think there was some form of confrontation that spurred him to return to Raleigh the night Michelle was killed, perhaps a phone call. He was only 2.5 hours away - if he told her his plans she may well have told him not to return period. If I was 2.5 hours from my wife and she was po'd with me during a phone call - I 'd go home to try and resolve the problem...just saying.

Trying to catch up here :) RC, that's all stuff that would upset Michelle more so than Jason and even the threat of leaving him over an affair shouldn't push things to the extreme that resulted imo. In my mind there's more. I've never thought it was premeditated since too much looks like it wasn't. If Jason didn't know he got MM pregnant but MM called Michelle that night that would've totally blindsided him :eek: I am also now of the opinion that Michelle told the therapist of instances where Jason slapped her, minimum and maybe it was progressing just not at the point she'd be sporting black eyes to work. That's not something most women confide in friends and family if you aren't prepared to leave right then or say you're afraid your father will kill them and he'd be in jail.

We have heard he didn't want to be married therefore I don't see him wigging out over the divorce and Cassidy because even as a proven adulterer he could still get joint custody. How would that change if he was known as a physical abuser? I can tell you but I think we know. If that came out his family and friends would then know too. Cops said he wasn't a nice guy so to me that fits more with domestic violence than cheating. A poster on the ctv board brought up Michelle recording her therapy sessions which made me wonder if that's what the cassette tape was listed in the search warrant.

We've been told MM is pregnant but also that her and her husband have been trying for awhile. Could be the excuse she gave her husband for the affair, she wanted a baby. Don't know just saying, nothing would surprise me. The phone call and fight could've been about this. Even the affair alone with everything else coming her way I would've been totally done with him, yet she's the one in therapy?

caffeinatd
02-24-2007, 07:24 AM
Hi Cafeinatd,

Thanks for the link sweetie. I was amazed that this quite small dept has gone to the effort to have such a sophisticated web site. My opera singing brother just had a gig in Raleigh {think I posted about this before ;} but he was very impressed with the city and of course the campus of Duke where they had a concert in their cathedral. I guess the church is absolutely special, so it goes without saying this whole area does spark hard working people into great things.

I believe I read that SBI is 7 months behind. But someone posted somewhere that they do put rapes, murders, etc as a priority before other cases.


PS: Did you notice that electrostatic print analyzer on your link Cafeinatd. I think it must be an exceptional tool, and wonder if they used that in analyzing the adult footprints that there must have been at the scene.

Sorry to digress here, but I just think there are a couple of things forensics found at the crime scene that were evidence of JY's presence there. None of them on their own are either conclusive enough to warrant an arrest, but when everything is added up together, don't you think they should be right about there in having a solid airtight case?
YW, Duke Chapel is beautiful, I live in Durham, and have attended a few times, it is overwhelming for my kids, since our church is small. Christmas Eve is wonderful there.
Yes, I saw that machine...I really think it will be a link to JY. Hence...the foot castings they did of him,. But, I was unsure if it detected bloody footprints different than regular. I would assume he would have foot prints in the room b/c he lived there. JMOO

fran
02-24-2007, 10:39 AM
Thanks to all who've contributed information. So much LE has to work with. Wow!

I still think this was a premeditated murder, just like any of the other 'pregnant wife - husband did its' we've seen before.

Each one of the cases we've watched and studied had their own dynamics. This one does too. But it doesn't change the end result, IMHO, $$, unwanted pregnancy by the husband, adultry, wife planning a divorce, wife ends up dead or missing.

In the end, it's all about CONTROL.

JMHO
fran

raisincharlie
02-24-2007, 11:24 AM
Trying to catch up here :) RC, that's all stuff that would upset Michelle more so than Jason and even the threat of leaving him over an affair shouldn't push things to the extreme that resulted imo. In my mind there's more. I've never thought it was premeditated since too much looks like it wasn't. If Jason didn't know he got MM pregnant but MM called Michelle that night that would've totally blindsided him :eek: I am also now of the opinion that Michelle told the therapist of instances where Jason slapped her, minimum and maybe it was progressing just not at the point she'd be sporting black eyes to work. That's not something most women confide in friends and family if you aren't prepared to leave right then or say you're afraid your father will kill them and he'd be in jail.

We have heard he didn't want to be married therefore I don't see him wigging out over the divorce and Cassidy because even as a proven adulterer he could still get joint custody. How would that change if he was known as a physical abuser? I can tell you but I think we know. If that came out his family and friends would then know too. Cops said he wasn't a nice guy so to me that fits more with domestic violence than cheating. A poster on the ctv board brought up Michelle recording her therapy sessions which made me wonder if that's what the cassette tape was listed in the search warrant.

We've been told MM is pregnant but also that her and her husband have been trying for awhile. Could be the excuse she gave her husband for the affair, she wanted a baby. Don't know just saying, nothing would surprise me. The phone call and fight could've been about this. Even the affair alone with everything else coming her way I would've been totally done with him, yet she's the one in therapy?
Not knowing a lot - but realizing that JY grew up surrounded by women, who I tend to believe catered to him as the only male in the family - I can invision any lack or percieved lack of waiting on him hand and foot may draw a physical reaction after a while. It would not surprise me if he was both mentally and physically abusive. His actions that we do know of do not in my mind reach toward respect for women. JMO.

jilly
02-24-2007, 12:28 PM
Strach Very interesting. Good point about the cassette tape because who has cassette tapes handy these days?
So did I miss something? Is it rumor that MM is pregnant with JYs baby??

nanandjim
02-24-2007, 04:24 PM
This is why I love the fact that LE is keeping everything close to the vest. These people are more hungrier for information than we are to the point of exasperation and nervous wrecks. We can see that because everytime they're up against the wall another boulder is hurled at Meredith.

As each day goes by it gives me pleasure to think that JY has sweated out another one. That "crying towel" must be pretty wet by now!!
I think that police could have used luminol and know what the killer did in the home. There could be JY's footprints leading to Cassidy's bedroom door. What if Cassidy remained asleep and he checked on her before he got into the shower and before he left the house. Or, what if JY did take Cassidy into the bathroom to clean her feet and then return her to her bed? Following the steps of the killer will help police narrow down the suspects. Were the killer's footsteps deliberate as if he were familiar with the house or were they random walking everywhere because he was unfamiliar? (Saw something similar on CTV :) )

I wonder if JY has called the police to see if they have any leads on finding the killer or is he staying away like Scott Peterson did? It has to be driving him crazy if he has not called. I would think that a family member would question his not calling the police. I guess that they will rationalize it, saying that he wants to call but didn't do so because of his attorney's advice or because the police suspect him. If it were I, I would be helping the police and calling. Heck, they probably would "block" my number.

If the police did suspect me after the initial elimination of the inside circle, I probably would hire an attorney for advice. However, I would have also taken a lie detector test and answered any and all questions. A person who has nothing to hide hides nothing.

I read some posts that say that JY paid for a vacation to CA for several people. He actually picked up the tab??!! Did MY go on the trip??!! I think that we all know that young people just do not have the resources to pick up anyone's tab.

My husband and I pick up the vacation tabs for our children until they finish college. After that, we pay for dinners, but we don't normally pay for an entire vacation for the grown children who are married, out of school and/or working.

I can tell you that I would be more than mad if my husband took a vacation (was it w/o MY?) and also paid for his friends. This would be the final straw for me. It would show me the writing on the wall. Goodbye and good riddance!!

jilly
02-24-2007, 04:49 PM
I think that police could have used luminol and know what the killer did in the home. There could be JY's footprints leading to Cassidy's bedroom door. What if Cassidy remained asleep and he checked on her before he got into the shower and before he left the house. Or, what if JY did take Cassidy into the bathroom to clean her feet and then return her to her bed? Following the steps of the killer will help police narrow down the suspects. Were the killer's footsteps deliberate as if he were familiar with the house or were they random walking everywhere because he was unfamiliar? (Saw something similar on CTV :) )

I wonder if JY has called the police to see if they have any leads on finding the killer or is he staying away like Scott Peterson did? It has to be driving him crazy if he has not called. I would think that a family member would question his not calling the police. I guess that they will rationalize it, saying that he wants to call but didn't do so because of his attorney's advice or because the police suspect him. If it were I, I would be helping the police and calling. Heck, they probably would "block" my number.

If the police did suspect me after the initial elimination of the inside circle, I probably would hire an attorney for advice. However, I would have also taken a lie detector test and answered any and all questions. A person who has nothing to hide hides nothing.

I read some posts that say that JY paid for a vacation to CA for several people. He actually picked up the tab??!! Did MY go on the trip??!! I think that we all know that young people just do not have the resources to pick up anyone's tab.

My husband and I pick up the vacation tabs for our children until they finish college. After that, we pay for dinners, but we don't normally pay for an entire vacation for the grown children who are married, out of school and/or working.

I can tell you that I would be more than mad if my husband took a vacation (was it w/o MY?) and also paid for his friends. This would be the final straw for me. It would show me the writing on the wall. Goodbye and good riddance!!

That is a very interesting point about deliberate/random footprints. Never would have thought of that.

Yes, JY did apparently pick up the tab for this Ca trip (his mother, sister & brother-in-law) and that's what apparently irked Michelle not the fact that he just went away with them. She had just spent 2 wks with her mother in NY and a supposed insider is saying she had no vacation time left to go with him.

I don't know what to think about this family but in general, I don't think any family wants to believe that their son/brother had anything to do with this horrible murder. I think they might be content, at the present time, (it's some comfort to them) to leave it at that. I would imagine that they are very scared too. One poster at CTV has said that JYs family is an honest family. I'm not at the point yet to compare them with the Petersons'. JYs mother is a teacher and I have a gut feeling that she will be able to put 2+2 together when more info comes out. Looks like she may have problems with her blood pressure too, so I hope she is going to be ok.

nanandjim
02-24-2007, 05:14 PM
Something like this?? about halfway down the page

http://www.crimeandclues.com/news.htm
I think that LE used some type of laser device (perhaps, this one) to obtain a bloody fingerprint of Paul Cortez, the guy that was convicted of murdering the exotic dancer from Ohio, Catherine Woods. His defense tried to argue that this laser evidence wasn't reliable or something like that. I believe that this fingerprint was under blood and couldn't even be seen with conventional standards.

nanandjim
02-24-2007, 05:25 PM
...I just don't picture an intruder taking the drawers, one would think he would just stuff the jewelry (if it was even taken) in his pockets and leave.
I agree. A burglar turned vicious murderer would want to make his "load" as light as possible (I would think). I guess that taking the drawers meant that he put them in some type of bag and carried them to his vehicle. I've just never heard of a thief taking jewelry box drawers.

panthera
02-24-2007, 06:42 PM
I agree. A burglar turned vicious murderer would want to make his "load" as light as possible (I would think). I guess that taking the drawers meant that he put them in some type of bag and carried them to his vehicle. I've just never heard of a thief taking jewelry box drawers.I don't in any way believe this was a burglary gone bad. If the drawers to the jewelry chest are missing then it seems it would be more because the killers hands may have had blood on them and he didn't want to touch the jewelry, if there was anything of value there to begin with. This really looks more like a cover-up for the murder to give LE the impression there was another motive.

It's sad that LE doesn't have enough evidence to make an arrest yet. :(

caffeinatd
02-24-2007, 06:50 PM
I don't in any way believe this was a burglary gone bad. If the drawers to the jewelry chest are missing then it seems it would be more because the killers hands may have had blood on them and he didn't want to touch the jewelry, if there was anything of value there to begin with. This really looks more like a cover-up for the murder to give LE the impression there was another motive.

It's sad that LE doesn't have enough evidence to make an arrest yet. :(
I wonder if after review of the transcribed notes of the therapist, if it will make it to a gj this week? HOPE SO JMOO

panthera
02-24-2007, 07:49 PM
I wonder if after review of the transcribed notes of the therapist, if it will make it to a gj this week? HOPE SO JMOOI would hope that there's enough to get a grand jury indictment. ;)

Kadie
02-24-2007, 11:50 PM
WOW.....is it gettin' crazy over at CTV! :doh:

Samiya
02-25-2007, 02:47 AM
WOW.....is it gettin' crazy over at CTV! :doh:
LMAO it's always crazy over at ctv.

Makes for a good soapie though...sure beats Days of our lives, but you have to sort through the rubbish to find the good posters.

:)
Sami

scandi
02-25-2007, 04:36 AM
It was a bit wild, that is for sure! The GojoGal thinks there will be an arrest mid-week of someone other than JY. LOL Two people involved. LOL One will fall on the other. LOL

And I think I encountered two nasty trolls from the Jy-camp. Some of the things they said were really out of taste, and I was surprised no one jumped on them!

Someone did get banned though. Maybe Jays Fan, I'm not sure.

strach304
02-25-2007, 04:37 AM
Strach Very interesting. Good point about the cassette tape because who has cassette tapes handy these days?
So did I miss something? Is it rumor that MM is pregnant with JYs baby??

The rumor is MM is pregnant but assumed it's her husbands baby. I think if you go back another page I posted something about MM deciding to abort because of Michelle's murder. Again rumor that MM and SM had been trying to conceive for a year I think? Just tossing out probabilities for what would have caused such a violent altercation if it was Jason that killed Michelle.

Also wanted to remark on the jewelry box drawers. Keep in mind that info came from JTF who also said cash was taken. The sheriff has said nothing was missing.

nanandjim
02-25-2007, 11:20 AM
...I posted something about MM deciding to abort because of Michelle's murder...
Did MM have an abortion? If so, I believe that she suspected that it was JY's child. This would be the only reason to abort the baby.

close_enough
02-25-2007, 12:19 PM
Did MM have an abortion? If so, I believe that she suspected that it was JY's child. This would be the only reason to abort the baby.

why would anyone have an abortion because of who the father is???...i'm confused :confused:

nanandjim
02-25-2007, 12:59 PM
why would anyone have an abortion because of who the father is???...i'm confused :confused:
I can easily see a married woman having an abortion if she thinks that the baby-to-be is her lover's child. I can especially see it happening in this case, where your pregnant friend is murdered and you think that you are pregnant with her husband's (the main suspect) child.

MM is probably feeling tremendous guilt over many issues; i.e., the death of her friend and her baby, the affair with her friend's husband, a potential pregnancy by her friend's husband who is suspected of murdering his wife and child. MM may blame herself for the murders. She might want to make a go of it with her husband and feels that it would be extremely hard to do if a child that she has borne proves to be someone else's, especially JY's child.

close_enough
02-25-2007, 01:06 PM
I can easily see a married woman having an abortion if she thinks that the baby-to-be is her lover's child. I can especially see it happening in this case, where your pregnant friend is murdered and you think that you are pregnant with her husband's (the main suspect) child.

MM is probably feeling tremendous guilt over many issues; i.e., the death of her friend and her baby, the affair with her friend's husband, a potential pregnancy by her friend's husband who is suspected of murdering his wife and child. MM may blame herself for the murders. She might want to make a go of it with her husband and feels that it would be extremely hard to do if a child that she has borne proves to be someone else's, especially JY's child.

aahh, ok...i see what you mean....i was confused..didn't even know MM was pregnant, lol....

nanandjim
02-25-2007, 01:07 PM
aahh, ok...i see what you mean....i was confused..didn't even know MM was pregnant, lol....
I am confused myself. I had heard that she was pregnant but hadn't heard that she had an abortion. So, I don't know if she was pregnant, had an abortion and then got pregnant again...

jilly
02-25-2007, 02:22 PM
aahh, ok...i see what you mean....i was confused..didn't even know MM was pregnant, lol....

Close!! you didn't?? :D That was gojo's ticket to get in as an 'insider'.

Kadie
02-25-2007, 04:03 PM
It was a bit wild, that is for sure! The GojoGal thinks there will be an arrest mid-week of someone other than JY. LOL Two people involved. LOL One will fall on the other. LOL

And I think I encountered two nasty trolls from the Jy-camp. Some of the things they said were really out of taste, and I was surprised no one jumped on them!

Someone did get banned though. Maybe Jays Fan, I'm not sure.
Yes, you're right.....its very soap opera like. I never post there, am not even registered but like to read what all the "insiders" post.

It will be interesting to see if Gojo's prediction comes true.

I think you are right--it was Jays Fan that got banned but am unsure why.

caffeinatd
02-25-2007, 04:04 PM
Yes, you're right.....its very soap opera like. I never post there, am not even registered but like to read what all the "insiders" post.

It will be interesting to see if Gojo's prediction comes true.

I think you are right--it was Jays Fan that got banned but am unsure why.I think probably because Jay-Fan was very degrading to women in general and to MY and MF. JMOO

scandi
02-25-2007, 06:55 PM
I'm pretty easy going, but decided it wasn't worth the emotional involvement to respond to his posts. He made one comment something like women should learn from men so they could be responsible about their financial matters. :eek:

raisincharlie
02-25-2007, 10:59 PM
I'm pretty easy going, but decided it wasn't worth the emotional involvement to respond to his posts. He made one comment something like women should learn from men so they could be responsible about their financial matters. :eek:
Animal !:crazy:

If it weren't for my wife - I'd be very broke and have too many toys that I would promptly have to sell.

So nothing new yet aye ? I went back and re-read the N & O article about the therapist - it seems that this therapist does indeed have some information relevant to the case, at least that is how Judge Stevens ruled. Must be compelling if a judge is ordering the release of the sessions to an investigator from the DA's office. I did not realize the therapy had started shortly before the murder. Has anyone seen anything that indicates the time frame ? With this news release JY has got to be wondering, bordering on insanity, what exactly Michelle did indeed tell this therapist. Wonder if Roger Smith has asked his client what might the possibilities be ?

This is very interesting to me - I always thought things such as this could not be discussed - is this a NC thing or is this in general when the client (in this case Michelle) is deceased ? Excuse me rambling - I am now up for the day but the truth is I should be going to sleep - this time change is going to be wicked.

Samiya
02-25-2007, 11:24 PM
Animal !:crazy:

If it weren't for my wife - I'd be very broke and have too many toys that I would promptly have to sell.

So nothing new yet aye ? I went back and re-read the N & O article about the therapist - it seems that this therapist does indeed have some information relevant to the case, at least that is how Judge Stevens ruled. Must be compelling if a judge is ordering the release of the sessions to an investigator from the DA's office. I did not realize the therapy had started shortly before the murder. Has anyone seen anything that indicates the time frame ? With this news release JY has got to be wondering, bordering on insanity, what exactly Michelle did indeed tell this therapist. Wonder if Roger Smith has asked his client what might the possibilities be ?

This is very interesting to me - I always thought things such as this could not be discussed - is this a NC thing or is this in general when the client (in this case Michelle) is deceased ? Excuse me rambling - I am now up for the day but the truth is I should be going to sleep - this time change is going to be wicked.
It can be discussed if the information contained in relevant to a murder investigation. There is rigamarole to go through, people to consult, laws to consult before making the decision to approach LE with this type of information.

Whether Mrs Sargeant approached LE or LE approached Mrs Sargent after someone stated Michelle had been to therapy sessions, doesn't matter. What matters is that the decision by the Judge was not a light decision and was based on something that Michelle stated directly in therapy.

The Judge would have gone through the paperwork and recordings (see notes below about therapist recordings) and only selected what he deemed to be relevant to the case. That may have only included some of the therapy session/s or all sessions in entirety if the sessions were in relation to Jason and anything her said, did or 'hinted'.

Recordings note:

When therapy sessions are recorded, via tape or videotape, it is ONLY the therapist who holds copies of the recordings. Reason being that the sessions may hold information that later on could give a husband 'clear motive' to cause grievous bodily harm or murder.

Sami

raisincharlie
02-25-2007, 11:36 PM
It can be discussed if the information contained in relevant to a murder investigation. There is rigamarole to go through, people to consult, laws to consult before making the decision to approach LE with this type of information.

Whether Mrs Sargeant approached LE or LE approached Mrs Sargent after someone stated Michelle had been to therapy sessions, doesn't matter. What matters is that the decision by the Judge was not a light decision and was based on something that Michelle stated directly in therapy.

The Judge would have gone through the paperwork and recordings (see notes below about therapist recordings) and only selected what he deemed to be relevant to the case. That may have only included some of the therapy session/s or all sessions in entirety if the sessions were in relation to Jason and anything her said, did or 'hinted'.

Recordings note:

When therapy sessions are recorded, via tape or videotape, it is ONLY the therapist who holds copies of the recordings. Reason being that the sessions may hold information that later on could give a husband 'clear motive' to cause grievous bodily harm or murder.

Sami
I somehow get the feeling that this information is something that Ms. Holt and her investigator (Dowdy) somehow found out about either through Michelle's work or by combing through the financial records very thoroughly. I can't see a therapist approaching LE this late in the game unless Michelle admitted to some dire fear for her life or extreme physical abuse and the therapist was at a point that we are at - wondering if and when an arrest will be made.

Apparently the judge did indeed believe it to be relevant - lets hope it leads somewhere soon.

raisincharlie
02-25-2007, 11:41 PM
So Sami,

is this suppose to be the outed Gojo I wonder ? The one that said he was a teacher:

http://www.hendersonvillenews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060611/NEWS/606110359/1041/BUSINESS

You think ?

strach304
02-26-2007, 12:15 AM
RC, that link says he's been in banking for 23 years. Gojo said he was a teacher.

raisincharlie
02-26-2007, 12:21 AM
RC, that link says he's been in banking for 23 years. Gojo said he was a teacher.
I know he said he was a teacher but I'm not sure this expose' is anymore believable than anything else - seems like a very sick game for a retired teacher to have been playing. JMO because I found the game playing rather idiotic. Maybe the retired gojo has a son who has been in banking for 23 years.

scandi
02-26-2007, 12:52 AM
Hi Charlie, Thanks for stopping in cause we miss you!

I think the age would be right if the banker is the son, as we know he had children. He kind of reminded me of RaleighResident in that they are both retired gentlemen and well spoken. Of course coming from opposite angles LOL I had noticed his posts were much softer in the last day or two, like he was acquiessing {sp} to the probablilty JY is waiting for a knock on the door!

He said everything he said was true, and that leaves a big question in my mnind about the bloody footprints of Cassidy. I guess the light must have made a difference as they were there, and then if they used luminol to 'paint' a picture of where she traveled, maybe they somewhat withered away.

That last statement of your's Sami about the recordings note struck a chord with me. Earlier in the day I had this blaring thought that JY maybe found out about her seeing this Dr and it was what put him over the edge with his anger showing itself in such a violent murder. I don't think he knew she was going as she only started seeing her right before the murder. She might have only had a few sessions.

Hey Charlie, do you remember anything about a link stating the fragment of the tooth the Youngs found was verified to be Michelles by her dentist? I could swear I read that somewhere and can't find it anywhere!

Scandi

Samiya
02-26-2007, 01:08 AM
So Sami,

is this suppose to be the outed Gojo I wonder ? The one that said he was a teacher:

http://www.hendersonvillenews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060611/NEWS/606110359/1041/BUSINESS

You think ?
hang on a sec honey......

I've got a lead on him :)

Sami

raisincharlie
02-26-2007, 01:12 AM
Hi Charlie, Thanks for stopping in cause we miss you!

I think the age would be right if the banker is the son, as we know he had children. He kind of reminded me of RaleighResident in that they are both retired gentlemen and well spoken. Of course coming from opposite angles LOL I had noticed his posts were much softer in the last day or two, like he was acquiessing {sp} to the probablilty JY is waiting for a knock on the door!

He said everything he said was true, and that leaves a big question in my mnind about the bloody footprints of Cassidy. I guess the light must have made a difference as they were there, and then if they used luminol to 'paint' a picture of where she traveled, maybe they somewhat withered away.

That last statement of your's Sami about the recordings note struck a chord with me. Earlier in the day I had this blaring thought that JY maybe found out about her seeing this Dr and it was what put him over the edge with his anger showing itself in such a violent murder. I don't think he knew she was going as she only started seeing her right before the murder. She might have only had a few sessions.

Hey Charlie, do you remember anything about a link stating the fragment of the tooth the Youngs found was verified to be Michelles by her dentist? I could swear I read that somewhere and can't find it anywhere!

ScandiScandi,

I do not recall a link about the tooth fragment being identified by Michelle's dentist however it could have been identified by the ME as I would think the ME would have looked closely at the teeth that were found with the body as well as the ones in Michelle's mouth and would have noted chips missing. Other than that I don't recall anything else about it.

If everything gojo said is true we now know the killer cleaned up at the house. I think when ordinary people are confronted by such horrendous events they often do not have a detailed ability to look at a crime scene and recognize what has taken place. I do not mean that in a derrogatory way - for example Smoketree 8 - something horrible being done to Michelle's body - that put everyone on alert for way more than what was found. In other words her perception was skewed by not having followed cases before - if you know what I mean.

As to the bloody prints - Sami gave a pretty detailed explanation of how far such things could possibly track. Then add into that that the CCBI was in that house for 13 days collecting evidence - there is little doubt in my mind that what untrained persons saw was nothing compared to what MF or LE saw at the crime scene. One thing I noted about that whole blood trail conversation was the comment gojo made about someone highly trained having seen it - if that is true it indicates to me that the family entered the Birchleaf home either with or right after a defense investigator was at the scene. Just a thought there. I can't see why JYs lawyer would need an investigator if his client is innocent. JMO since JY is not exactly out trying to find the killer or seeking help in finding the killer.

ETA - I forgot, Jy seems to think Meredith killed her sister if we are to believe the JTFs/gojos.

Samiya
02-26-2007, 01:26 AM
John W Goins, goes by the alias "Jake" Goins with the same email address that gojo gave in ctv.

Info above is from 2002.

Sami

close_enough
02-26-2007, 01:46 AM
So Sami,

is this suppose to be the outed Gojo I wonder ? The one that said he was a teacher:

http://www.hendersonvillenews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060611/NEWS/606110359/1041/BUSINESS

You think ?

great sleuthing, RC!!!!

raisincharlie
02-26-2007, 01:52 AM
John W Goins, goes by the alias "Jake" Goins with the same email address that gojo gave in ctv.

Info above is from 2002.

SamiSami,

Would you agree if gojo taught journalism this would have more than likely have been done at a school of learning beyond high school ? This course of study is not to my knowledge taught in high school. The college in Brevard is for musical studies...hmmm.

ETA - I think the Socratic teaching method backfired in this case.

Samiya
02-26-2007, 02:04 AM
Sami,

Would you agree if gojo taught journalism this would have more than likely have been done at a school of learning beyond high school ? This course of study is not to my knowledge taught in high school. The college in Brevard is for musical studies...hmmm.
Now darling,

lol, the high school kids over here do do journalism studies. It is an elective study in some high schools. From there they can continue it in Uni.

Some kids learn journalism through work experience at the newspapers and move up from there, but definitely not via a bank, lmao.

hugs
Sami

raisincharlie
02-26-2007, 02:11 AM
Now darling,

lol, the high school kids over here do do journalism studies. It is an elective study in some high schools. From there they can continue it in Uni.

Some kids learn journalism through work experience at the newspapers and move up from there, but definitely not via a bank, lmao.

hugs
Sami
Guess Missouri is stuck in the old times - we still tell those old folk tales by word of mouth !:p


We do have school papers and the yearbook projects the kids work on - I suppose that qualifies but no journalism electives per se. Oh well, I bet your correct - it isn't an elective at the bank. :crazy:

5bigfish5
02-26-2007, 03:01 AM
Hi Guys,

I firmly believe that the info about the existing psychologist "blind-sided" more than Jason, "GoJo" is even looking like collateral damage today. I believe it was done via one of Michelle's options at work, in an attempt for Michelle to regain a little power. I imagine Jason would have poo-pooed counseling.

I also believe that the WCSD was aware of Ms. Sargent weeks ago. The other SWs "release" dates bear me out on this theory. :)

As for the confidentially rules, I am sure we have NOT heard the last of that hornet's nest, But VERY fresh in North Carolinian's minds, is the Ann Miller Kontz debate. (ironically handled by the same law firm that JY now has). IF there IS a fight, I predict it will be short and sweet.

Sami, I was ALSO relieved to learn:

Recordings note:

When therapy sessions are recorded, via tape or videotape, it is ONLY the therapist who holds copies of the recordings. Reason being that the sessions may hold information that later on could give a husband 'clear motive' to cause grievous bodily harm or murder.

Thanks To All!

Cheers!


(ETA, Emphasis on Sami's quote is mine)

nanandjim
02-26-2007, 11:15 AM
......With this news release JY has got to be wondering, bordering on insanity, what exactly Michelle did indeed tell this therapist...
I think that his attorney will tell him the reasons that a judge would allow this information to be released. JY knows what he did or said to MY. Therefore, he probably knows what is on the tapes. His only hope is that she didn't tell the therapist everything. She may not have if she had just started her sessions. Oftentimes, abused women are embarrassed and try to downplay the abuse. Let's hope that MY was totally honest from the beginning. Was her therapist a woman? If so, this tells me that it is a good chance that JY abused her. MY would feel more comfortable telling this to another woman instead of a man. Just my opinion, though.

raisincharlie
02-26-2007, 11:31 AM
I think that his attorney will tell him the reasons that a judge would allow this information to be released. JY knows what he did or said to MY. Therefore, he probably knows what is on the tapes. His only hope is that she didn't tell the therapist everything. She may not have if she had just started her sessions. Oftentimes, abused women are embarrassed and try to downplay the abuse. Let's hope that MY was totally honest from the beginning. Was her therapist a woman? If so, this tells me that it is a good chance that JY abused her. MY would feel more comfortable telling this to another woman instead of a man. Just my opinion, though.
The therapist is a woman. From the way I understand the news articles and the Court Order, the therapist has met with a Superior Court Judge and discussed the information she has. The Judge found that the information had relevance to the murder investigation and therefore ruled that such information be turned over to Investigators. It seems to me, Michelle must have said enough to provide some insights into what was going on prior to the murder. Not sure what the information is, but apparently it is significant in some manner.

curious1
02-26-2007, 12:42 PM
I'm pretty easy going, but decided it wasn't worth the emotional involvement to respond to his posts. He made one comment something like women should learn from men so they could be responsible about their financial matters. :eek:He said that on a thread discussing MY's murder. Hello jackass!! JY was the financially irresponsible one in this relationship it sounds like, not his wife. :razz:

curious1
02-26-2007, 12:55 PM
Sami,

Would you agree if gojo taught journalism this would have more than likely have been done at a school of learning beyond high school ? This course of study is not to my knowledge taught in high school. The college in Brevard is for musical studies...hmmm.

ETA - I think the Socratic teaching method backfired in this case.
Hi Sami.

The college in Brevard is a liberal arts college that offers BA is several studies. They do have a journalism department. FYI.

Whimsigal
02-26-2007, 01:48 PM
Hey Charlie, do you remember anything about a link stating the fragment of the tooth the Youngs found was verified to be Michelles by her dentist? I could swear I read that somewhere and can't find it anywhere!

ScandiScandi, :)

I think you may have read that on RPD's website about the autopsy photos because I remember something about that somewhere also. It may be that RPD posted that answer at CTV, too, if someone has asked him about it.

Whimsigal

ETA: I went and checked and RPD mentioned this when describing Blunt injury #5.

scandi
02-26-2007, 03:43 PM
Thanks Whimsigal!~ It seems posters at CTV have forgotton this was a fragment and not a whole tooth. Well, that could be understandable as time does seem to work against remembering details like this.

Scandi

Whimsigal
02-26-2007, 03:48 PM
Thanks Whimsigal!~ It seems posters at CTV have forgotton this was a fragment and not a whole tooth. Well, that could be understandable as time does seem to work against remembering details like this.

Scandi
You're very welcome Scandi. The posters at CTV get a little too busy devouring one another to remember all the facts sometimes. There is some good info to be found there, though.

JMO

scandi
02-26-2007, 05:16 PM
For sure! The talk is quite boring now as they can't get over the 'Gojo Effect'. LOL I don't know wht more they could say about it - Amazing!

There are some great posters there I enjoy reading. BTW, I called you astute instead of giving your name. Hope that was OK.

Kadie
02-26-2007, 05:19 PM
You're very welcome Scandi. The posters at CTV get a little too busy devouring one another to remember all the facts sometimes. There is some good info to be found there, though.

JMO
I cannot believe GoJo outed himself. I was confused when I was reading the posts here this morning about "Jake"...but soon figured out what you were talking about once I went over to CTV! WOW! I wonder if something big is going to happen this week as the trolls seem to be out in full force.

I will venture over to the "dark side" in a little bit to see what is being discussed over there today!

scandi
02-26-2007, 05:42 PM
One thing I do love about CTV is their Santa icons. The one rolling on the floor laughin' so hard and then of course the Santa offering a stick of candy. Both crack me up everytime I see them used.

Whimsigal
02-26-2007, 05:58 PM
I cannot believe GoJo outed himself. I was confused when I was reading the posts here this morning about "Jake"...but soon figured out what you were talking about once I went over to CTV! WOW! I wonder if something big is going to happen this week as the trolls seem to be out in full force.

I will venture over to the "dark side" in a little bit to see what is being discussed over there today!
I know! I found that whole thing to be so totally bizarre!

LOL the darkside......

Whimsigal
02-26-2007, 06:00 PM
One thing I do love about CTV is their Santa icons. The one rolling on the floor laughin' so hard and then of course the Santa offering a stick of candy. Both crack me up everytime I see them used.
Me, too, Scandi....me, too!

raisincharlie
02-26-2007, 11:49 PM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:




I cannot believe GoJo outed himself. I was confused when I was reading the posts here this morning about "Jake"...but soon figured out what you were talking about once I went over to CTV! WOW! I wonder if something big is going to happen this week as the trolls seem to be out in full force.

I will venture over to the "dark side" in a little bit to see what is being discussed over there today!
The "dark side" - may the force be with you !

raisincharlie
02-26-2007, 11:50 PM
I know! I found that whole thing to be so totally bizarre!

LOL the darkside......
I wish I could find one of those icons very similar to that link you sent me with the baby ! Wouldn't that be great fun ?

Still laughing over that Whimsigal :)

raisincharlie
02-27-2007, 12:32 AM
Serious questions for those of you who have followed the gojo saga - do you think they inadvertantly gave out some information that perhaps should have been left quiet?

A couple of things that caught my eye - the comment about a person accompanying the family when they entered the Young house after LE released it - gojo refered to this person as "highly trained". Taking a wild guess but it seems to me perhaps a PI. Any thoughts about that ? If true it seems that the defense team has not been sitting still waiting for something to happen. Either they are looking for clues to the "real killer" or they are searching for theories to build a defense around. As gojo went on and on about the blood trail - are we seeing a preview of a defense strategy ?

Second thing was gojo's comment that the killer apparently cleaned up at the house. I think some of us have expected this to be the case although gojo would prefer that we believe it was Meredith - for those of you familiar with evidence recovery from drains - what are the chances of recovering DNA in this manner ? If there is only DNA from MY, JY, and Cassidy but all signs point to the killer cleaning up - guess gojo's theory is shot - any ideas?

PolkSaladAnnie
02-27-2007, 05:59 AM
Gosh charlie, I've missed about 5 or 6 weeks with that flu and then the personal stuff - so I've not read back.... and may be a while til I get back here again :D

Gojo? Sounds like a mafia-styled TV cops 'n robbers character, lol.

I have a feeling you may be hunting in some good woods - with your theory that the def have been investigating (and spinning) to build a case all this time. Early on, a few "insider" posts were really trying it on with regard to Meredith's possible involvement. I thought then (and now) these posters were either defense-forum-scourers or huge Jason fans (family friends).

Eeeeish ..... but this is taking time, eh?? I'm kind of concerned LE's evidence is either not strong enough - or - Jason's refusal to co-operate has hamstrung them to a degree. It has to be truly hard for Michelle's family to spend 4 months *WAITING*

Waiting for answers; waiting to 'know'; waiting to move on; waiting to organise personal effects, policies, wills, clearing bedrooms, dealing with cars, packing away clothes and private possessions; the effect on lil Cassie's life. Arrghh, too much!

Lord above our hearts truly go out to them - just on our side alone the last 4 WEEKS of waiting has been bad enough! Just knowing this - makes me (MOO) realise that LE have to know the strain and would NOT just 'take their time' because after a while, you get to know the family like your own - and watching helplessly is not easy.

So, charlie ... methinks you're quite right ... and Jason's silence and obstinacy is totally despicable!

Thasall4now ... catch in in a couple weeks... or ... wheneva ... take care:

Polks :)

Whimsigal
02-27-2007, 08:08 AM
I wish I could find one of those icons very similar to that link you sent me with the baby ! Wouldn't that be great fun ?

Still laughing over that Whimsigal :)


Me, too RC. It would be best if it produced sounds as well. That would be hilarious! I'm glad you enjoyed it!!

Whimsigal
02-27-2007, 08:15 AM
Serious questions for those of you who have followed the gojo saga - do you think they inadvertantly gave out some information that perhaps should have been left quiet?

A couple of things that caught my eye - the comment about a person accompanying the family when they entered the Young house after LE released it - gojo refered to this person as "highly trained". Taking a wild guess but it seems to me perhaps a PI. Any thoughts about that ? If true it seems that the defense team has not been sitting still waiting for something to happen. Either they are looking for clues to the "real killer" or they are searching for theories to build a defense around. As gojo went on and on about the blood trail - are we seeing a preview of a defense strategy ?

Second thing was gojo's comment that the killer apparently cleaned up at the house. I think some of us have expected this to be the case although gojo would prefer that we believe it was Meredith - for those of you familiar with evidence recovery from drains - what are the chances of recovering DNA in this manner ? If there is only DNA from MY, JY, and Cassidy but all signs point to the killer cleaning up - guess gojo's theory is shot - any ideas?

Yes, I think you could be right although, it is a little hard to tell fact from fiction where gojo is concerned. If he is who he claims and is privy to info from JY's family then we may well be seeing the defense strategy. I didn't catch that comment about being in the house with someone highly trained but your deduction that it could be a PI seems like a good one to me.

I think for the most part gojo was there to confuse, not enlighten, but in thinking that he was smarter than the rest he may have given away some info that he did not intend. Man, now I'm going to have to go back and some more reading!

curious1
02-27-2007, 09:21 AM
Sounds like some very interesting stuff over at CTV, but I just can't bring myself to go over there again yet....maybe I can work up my nerve.


PS...Scandi, thanks to you I find myself wanting to type 'ya ya' on all my stuff now. :rolleyes:

raisincharlie
02-27-2007, 02:47 PM
Sounds like some very interesting stuff over at CTV, but I just can't bring myself to go over there again yet....maybe I can work up my nerve.


PS...Scandi, thanks to you I find myself wanting to type 'ya ya' on all my stuff now. :rolleyes:No need to go over - here's an update on some of the stuff from "insiders - I would credit each poster but it would take me all nite and I have no idea if any of this is true but here goes:

1. Jy is reported to have left Raleigh on 11/2 at 4:00 - 4:30 pm

2. Jy is reported to have checked into a Hampton Inn in Hillsville VA on 11/2. Hillsville is approximately 174 miles away or roughly 2.75 hours drive time. Assuming time left and drive time it is possible JY arrived at this hotel betewwn 7:15 and 7:30 pm.

3. Jy supposedly called MY at 11:00 on 11/2 and everything was fine. One has to wonder if Michelle met him at the front door at 11 pm and all was fine - its possible. It is also possible the gas receipt for Handee Hugo's 89 is timed between 10:30 and 11:00 pm on 11/2. Possible

4. JY supposedly called Meredith at 0730 on 11/3 to pick up the fax. We know from the search warrant that JY left Meredith a voice mail.

5. MY supposedly had a Drs. appointment at 0930 on 11/3. JY supposedly tried to call her twice. MY was supposed to go into work for a while after the Drs. appointment.

6. A couple from out of the area were supposedly on their way to the Young home to spend the weekend of homecoming there and attend the game with the Youngs. These friends were supposedly more JY's friends than Michelle's. If this is the case wonder why JY felt it appropriate to go to Brevard and leave "more his friends" to spend the evening with just Michelle and Cassidy ?

7. JY's "meeting" was supposedly at 10:00 am on 11/3 - unknown location but one insider does say it was in Duffield. Interesting as Duffield is approximately 2.5 hours from Hillsville - note Jy supposedly called MF at 0730.

8. JY was supposedly one-half hour late for this meeting.

9. One insider reported that Mr. Garrison was normally free to roam the house.

10. One insider has reported that a "highly trained person" entered the Young home after LE released the home and reported that there were no bloody footprints all over the house and there were none in the hall, only in the master bath and in Cassidy's bath.

11. One insider reported that the killer took a shower in the home and that the blood evidence in the shower may point to the killer. Wonder who would be so bold to take a shower after murdering a young woman and with a dog. "free to roam the house", roaming about ? Wonder if they put on the clothes worn during the murder or did they help themselves to JYs clothes ? None of the insiders have reported a theft of JYs clothes.

12. One insider claims jewelry was stolen and not just the jewelry - the thief/murderer also took the drawers from the jewelry box. :crazy:

STRICTLY RUMOR FOLKS !

Interesting and in a way silly - the insiders who claim JY couldn't have done this, seem to give more reasons for why it could have been JY although they believe it was Meredith.

Odd stuff - "ya ya":crazy:

curious1
02-27-2007, 02:58 PM
:laugh:
Odd stuff - "ya ya":crazy:
Have you ever just had a feeling? I was so sure, for some reason, that when I got back from lunch today there would be some 'news' on this case. *sigh* unfortunately not so. Ya Ya

raisincharlie
02-27-2007, 03:04 PM
:laugh:

Have you ever just had a feeling? I was so sure, for some reason, that when I got back from lunch today there would be some 'news' on this case. *sigh* unfortunately not so. Ya Ya
Well luv I left out one rumor - gojo indicated there will be an arrest on Wednesday (tomorrow) of either two (implied Meredith and her boy friend) people or one person (Meredith). Supposedly the GJ meets on Mondays and Tuesdays of every other week...again just a rumor.

YaYa !:D

fran
02-27-2007, 03:07 PM
During the Peterson trial, we had one poster in particular who I always felt was part of the defense (or family). They eventually got banned because they would get in such heated exchanges (which is why I think it was more like a family member).

But, the point is, this person would bring out theories etc., which later turned up as part of the defense.

LOL, the theories this particular poster threw out were absurd and almost every Websleuther saw holes in it. But,........it didn't keep the defense from TRYING to use this in trial. :loser: Should have listened to the Websleuthers! :D

JMHO
fran

curious1
02-27-2007, 03:13 PM
Fran, if you have been on the 'Scott Peterson 20' thread in the 'Parking Lot', he might still be here under another hat. I swear the 'ol boy is like a dog with a bone, just won't give it up and comes up with the wierdest things. Just about has a theory that homeless people with a submarine did it. :doh: He keeps yapping about a retrial and is listing all the 'errors' in the prosecution, defense and how the jury 'ignored' instructions and were allowed to get away with it. Funny thing is, with the book out by the jurors now this just does not carry any weight, but he's still hanging on to it, bless his heart. :p


Ya Ya :D

5bigfish5
02-27-2007, 04:15 PM
Well luv I left out one rumor - gojo indicated there will be an arrest on Wednesday (tomorrow) of either two (implied Meredith and her boy friend) people or one person (Meredith). Supposedly the GJ meets on Mondays and Tuesdays of every other week...again just a rumor.

YaYa !:D
Hi RaisinCharlie,

I promise! If there is an arrest tomorrow, I will personally not only go back and read every single "gojo" post, but I WILL pay attention.

I resent every second that Jason is free, don't get me wrong, but I don't think it will be tomorrow. I hope I am WRONG, I will even give up my fishing trip to watch it unfold. :)

Cheers!

DEPUTYDAWG
02-27-2007, 04:37 PM
Fran, if you have been on the 'Scott Peterson 20' thread in the 'Parking Lot', he might still be here under another hat. I swear the 'ol boy is like a dog with a bone, just won't give it up and comes up with the wierdest things. Just about has a theory that homeless people with a submarine did it. :doh: He keeps yapping about a retrial and is listing all the 'errors' in the prosecution, defense and how the jury 'ignored' instructions and were allowed to get away with it. Funny thing is, with the book out by the jurors now this just does not carry any weight, but he's still hanging on to it, bless his heart. :p


Ya Ya :D

Does his name rhyme with Sludge?! :slap: Oh, how that certain poster frustrates me so....................................... Do you think he's a relative or ? I just figured he was someone who likes to stir it up and get reactions.

jilly
02-27-2007, 07:23 PM
Hi RC! :) Thank you very much for taking the time to spell out the "inside" info. I would just add that one of them said money was taken along with the jewellry - think it was gojo.

You asked earlier about the gojo saga. Yes I think they did give out info when at times they were up against the wall. That's how the tidbit of money with the jewellry came out as I recall.

I'm not so sure the defense lawyer would have organized an expert to look at the scene. After 13 days, I'm sure that the scene looked alot different than what it was originally. Drywall & carpet was missing as I understand it. If this ever went to trial, the defense would be getting an expert to look at photographs etc.

It's hard to say though. This could be a "highly trained" family friend.

Gojo sure did harp on the footprint aspect though.

fran
02-27-2007, 08:33 PM
DD and c1.......................

uh oh..........not trying to hijack this thread :innocent: .................this referred to poster is not the one I had in mind, fwiw. He's always been this way. :D No, no, ...............more intense than you know who! (his initials were CW)

FWIW, the poster that later got banned from WS during the P case, started out on CTV also, spewing the weekend after Laci's mom et al entered her home. I watched them for an entire day at CTV talking about the break in and they brought up the jewelry. We knew Laci had inherited jewelry but we didn't recognize the significance until trial. But,........this CTV poster who was later on WS until banned, was VERY concerned about the jewelry.

Soooo, how much jewelry are we talking about with Michelle? How significant is the jewelry going to play in this case at the end of the day? :confused:

I still say, there was already built-in a million rea$ons for Michelle to die rather than a divorce.

JMHO
fran

PS.......and a BIG THANK YOU to RC for bringing all this gojo stuff over here. I know for me, one message board at a time is about all I can handle. You're a great sleuth!. :clap: .......fran

Kadie
02-27-2007, 09:32 PM
Serious questions for those of you who have followed the gojo saga - do you think they inadvertantly gave out some information that perhaps should have been left quiet?

A couple of things that caught my eye - the comment about a person accompanying the family when they entered the Young house after LE released it - gojo refered to this person as "highly trained". Taking a wild guess but it seems to me perhaps a PI. Any thoughts about that ? If true it seems that the defense team has not been sitting still waiting for something to happen. Either they are looking for clues to the "real killer" or they are searching for theories to build a defense around. As gojo went on and on about the blood trail - are we seeing a preview of a defense strategy ?

Second thing was gojo's comment that the killer apparently cleaned up at the house. I think some of us have expected this to be the case although gojo would prefer that we believe it was Meredith - for those of you familiar with evidence recovery from drains - what are the chances of recovering DNA in this manner ? If there is only DNA from MY, JY, and Cassidy but all signs point to the killer cleaning up - guess gojo's theory is shot - any ideas?
Well, gojo was the one who leaked that MM was pregnant. Then it was confirmed by Sorasista. I guess no one really knew that she was pg yet...imagine being 'outed' on CTV. I bet she was appalled! JMO

He's back on the board tonight. (gojo) asking for a favor about trying to find some old posts from RPD. I think he's insinuating that Amanda Lamb outed him to RPD as I guess he had emailed her once. Who knows?

He's also saying that the Brevard trip was planned, sort of: Here's part of his post. (Hope its okay to post it here and that I am not in trouble!)

" The trip to Brevard WAS planned, sort of. On his way to his motel, Jason told his mother by phone that since he was so close, he would spend Friday night at her house. This was somewhere after 9 p.m.

He added: IF this is agreeable with Michelle. Evidently he had not discussed this with her beforehand. I understand he tried to call her BEFORE he called his mother, but Michelle told him to call back because she and her friend were watching Grey's Anatomy. One of my favorites, too, so I can understand that.

He planned to pick up some furniture. He wouldn't have room for it on their Thanksgiving visit because he would have Cassie and Michelle with him. Those of you with kids KNOW that even with one kid, the car is full, unless you have a semi.

Sometime around 11 p.m., Jason called back to Michelle and got PERMISSION for the trip to Brevard, EVEN THOUGH OUT OF TOWN GUESTS WERE COMING IN. He planned to be back by noon or so on Saturday. I guess you had to have been there to understand that stuff about the guests. I don't pretend to know."

IMO he felt like he was helping JY in what he was posting but all he did was continually stir up the CTV board. He kept talking in riddles. I have no idea who this "highly trained" person was that also saw the crime scene and who saw the tooth. (maybe a PI?) GOJO has also stated that he and his wife have been in the house since the murder.

He does keep the board interesting.......again, I don't post there......just lurk. I'd probably be eaten alive!

All of this is JMO! Do I dare wander back over to the "dark side?" LOL

Kadie

j2mirish
02-27-2007, 09:46 PM
Fran, if you have been on the 'Scott Peterson 20' thread in the 'Parking Lot', he might still be here under another hat. I swear the 'ol boy is like a dog with a bone, just won't give it up and comes up with the wierdest things. Just about has a theory that homeless people with a submarine did it. :doh: He keeps yapping about a retrial and is listing all the 'errors' in the prosecution, defense and how the jury 'ignored' instructions and were allowed to get away with it. Funny thing is, with the book out by the jurors now this just does not carry any weight, but he's still hanging on to it, bless his heart. :p


Ya Ya :DI swear--- dont say his name here----- someone must have over there 3 times ( beetlejuice,beetlejuicce,beetlejuice)---He absolutly makes me nuts, just seeing his name--- Dear God Almighty- where does he come up with it?
ok-o/t back on--- sorry I just knew exactly who curious was talking about:blushing:

Whimsigal
02-27-2007, 09:49 PM
Well, gojo was the one who leaked that MM was pregnant. Then it was confirmed by Sorasista. I guess no one really knew that she was pg yet...imagine being 'outed' on CTV. I bet she was appalled! JMO

He's back on the board tonight. (gojo) asking for a favor about trying to find some old posts from RPD. I think he's insinuating that Amanda Lamb outed him to RPD as I guess he had emailed her once. Who knows?

He's also saying that the Brevard trip was planned, sort of: Here's part of his post. (Hope its okay to post it here and that I am not in trouble!)

" The trip to Brevard WAS planned, sort of. On his way to his motel, Jason told his mother by phone that since he was so close, he would spend Friday night at her house. This was somewhere after 9 p.m.

He added: IF this is agreeable with Michelle. Evidently he had not discussed this with her beforehand. I understand he tried to call her BEFORE he called his mother, but Michelle told him to call back because she and her friend were watching Grey's Anatomy. One of my favorites, too, so I can understand that.

He planned to pick up some furniture. He wouldn't have room for it on their Thanksgiving visit because he would have Cassie and Michelle with him. Those of you with kids KNOW that even with one kid, the car is full, unless you have a semi.

Sometime around 11 p.m., Jason called back to Michelle and got PERMISSION for the trip to Brevard, EVEN THOUGH OUT OF TOWN GUESTS WERE COMING IN. He planned to be back by noon or so on Saturday. I guess you had to have been there to understand that stuff about the guests. I don't pretend to know."

IMO he felt like he was helping JY in what he was posting but all he did was continually stir up the CTV board. He kept talking in riddles. I have no idea who this "highly trained" person was that also saw the crime scene and who saw the tooth. (maybe a PI?) GOJO has also stated that he and his wife have been in the house since the murder.

He does keep the board interesting.......again, I don't post there......just lurk. I'd probably be eaten alive!

All of this is JMO! Do I dare wander back over to the "dark side?" LOL

Kadie
kadie,

be sure you put on your hazmat suit. It's fixin' to get nuclear over there.....

Kadie
02-27-2007, 10:37 PM
kadie,

be sure you put on your hazmat suit. It's fixin' to get nuclear over there.....
Thanks for the advice! It is gettin' crazy. GoJo is back and asking for help w/ a post that got deleted. RPD is asking all kinds of questions.......they are arguing back and forth. LOL.....its kinda funny. Reminds me of my brothers fighting when we were younger.

Wonder if GoJo is correct and someone will be arrested tomorrow?

jilly
02-27-2007, 10:48 PM
kadie,

be sure you put on your hazmat suit. It's fixin' to get nuclear over there.....

Did you see Coldwater's warning today after last nite? She's gonna close down that forum if they don't behave!

Whimsigal
02-27-2007, 10:59 PM
Kadie and Jilly:


What is it about that place? It's hard to stop watching them cannibalize each other. I just hope that if Coldwater closes the forum they don't find their way over here. One of the reasons I chose WS is because it's a much more open-minded place! There is some interesting info there which is why the pull to go read there is so magnetic.

Kadie, I was wondering if there might be an arrest tomorrow, too. I sure hope something big happens soon.

::donning my protective gear and heading back into the fray::

fran
02-27-2007, 11:12 PM
Kadie and Jilly:


What is it about that place? It's hard to stop watching them cannibalize each other. I just hope that if Coldwater closes the forum they don't find their way over here. One of the reasons I chose WS is because it's a much more open-minded place! There is some interesting info there which is why the pull to go read there is so magnetic.

Kadie, I was wondering if there might be an arrest tomorrow, too. I sure hope something big happens soon.

::donning my protective gear and heading back into the fray::

I think I'm going to go watch too. This could be interesting. :D

fran

raisincharlie
02-27-2007, 11:41 PM
Well, gojo was the one who leaked that MM was pregnant. Then it was confirmed by Sorasista. I guess no one really knew that she was pg yet...imagine being 'outed' on CTV. I bet she was appalled! JMO

<snip>

IMO he felt like he was helping JY in what he was posting but all he did was continually stir up the CTV board. He kept talking in riddles. I have no idea who this "highly trained" person was that also saw the crime scene and who saw the tooth. (maybe a PI?) GOJO has also stated that he and his wife have been in the house since the murder.

He does keep the board interesting.......again, I don't post there......just lurk. I'd probably be eaten alive!

All of this is JMO! Do I dare wander back over to the "dark side?" LOL

Kadie
Kadie,

As to the information about MM - this is one reason I have trouble with the gojo type posters. First, there was absolutely no reason under the sun to post that information on a public forum - it was either done out of spite or trying to gain legitimate status. Either way it was very morally wrong to do this - especially for a supposed retired school teacher who should actually have more sense than to be on a public forum spouting off to begin with. Now that's off my chest ! :o

Now gojo claims that JY called Michelle during GA to ask permission to drop by Brevard - and Michelle told him to call later, she was watching tv - what the hey ? Crazy-insanity run amuck! Jy needs approval, with friends coming to visit he is worried about getting approval to ignore them ? Now later postings Jy was going to pick up furniture while he was in Brevard - this is now supposedly the reason he dropped by. This is getting more and more convoluted as just minutes pass by. Methinks there are some heavy dellusions brewing or someone has missed their meds for several days - JMO of course.

Be careful !

jilly
02-27-2007, 11:47 PM
Kadie and Jilly:


What is it about that place? It's hard to stop watching them cannibalize each other. I just hope that if Coldwater closes the forum they don't find their way over here. One of the reasons I chose WS is because it's a much more open-minded place! There is some interesting info there which is why the pull to go read there is so magnetic.

Kadie, I was wondering if there might be an arrest tomorrow, too. I sure hope something big happens soon.

::donning my protective gear and heading back into the fray::

I started out there with the Peterson case. It was really good - a few very smart posters and then the trolls moved in. They were pretty much all like JaysFan.

I've never experienced anything like what's going on there this time. So many insiders so like you say - it's magnetic. It absolutely amazes me. In the Peterson case we had leaks so everything was above board. Here you've got these insiders who openly tell us that they are pm'ing each other to carry on behind the scenes! NOT FAIR! hehe!

I doubt there will be any arrest tomorrow. gojo was inferring MF & boyfriend. That was just thrown out in a fit of frustration imo. You have to sift through what to believe.lol

jilly
02-27-2007, 11:50 PM
Kadie,

Now gojo claims that JY called Michelle during GA to ask permission to drop by Brevard - and Michelle told him to call later, she was watching tv - what the hey ? Crazy-insanity run amuck! Jy needs approval, with friends coming to visit he is worried about getting approval to ignore them ? Now later postings Jy was going to pick up furniture while he was in Brevard - this is now supposedly the reason he dropped by. This is getting more and more convoluted as just minutes pass by. Methinks there are some heavy dellusions brewing or someone has missed their meds for several days - JMO of course.

Be careful !

Amazing isn't it? Especially when JY didn't need Michelle's approval when paid for his family to go to Ca!! lol

raisincharlie
02-28-2007, 12:09 AM
Amazing isn't it? Especially when JY didn't need Michelle's approval when paid for his family to go to Ca!! lol
:clap: You weren't suppose to remember that part of the tale luv !

pack_fan
02-28-2007, 12:18 AM
Glad to know that there is going to be an arrest tomorrow. All these months of waiting and it's finally going to be over. Unfortunately, I will be away most of the day and will have to catch up on the details of the arrest. Hope MF and her boyfriend had a chance to have some special time together before heading off to the slammer.

Gojo is my hero....

raisincharlie
02-28-2007, 12:30 AM
Glad to know that there is going to be an arrest tomorrow. All these months of waiting and it's finally going to be over. Unfortunately, I will be away most of the day and will have to catch up on the details of the arrest. Hope MF and her boyfriend had a chance to have some special time together before heading off to the slammer.

Gojo is my hero....
We'll post the scoop for you pack_fan !:D

pack_fan
02-28-2007, 12:44 AM
We'll post the scoop for you pack_fan !:D
I will go ahead and start the thread entitled "THE ARREST". As soon as the news breaks tomorrow, move all conversation to that thread so I won't have as much to read. Off to bed as I missed out on my head start for the business trip. Now that I think about it, I should swing by tomorrow and see dear ol' mom. Nighty night......

jilly
02-28-2007, 01:24 AM
I will go ahead and start the thread entitled "THE ARREST". As soon as the news breaks tomorrow, move all conversation to that thread so I won't have as much to read. Off to bed as I missed out on my head start for the business trip. Now that I think about it, I should swing by tomorrow and see dear ol' mom. Nighty night......

LOL! Don't forget to get wifee's approval to see mom!

Schmerty_Jones
02-28-2007, 03:25 AM
LOL! Don't forget to get wifee's approval to see mom!
Not on your life. :eek: Perish the thought!

Kadie
02-28-2007, 07:54 AM
Raisin,


I agree about the MM info that gojo posted. When I first read that , I thought "oh no..." Then sorasista confirmed it......after calling some friends. I agree that he was trying to establish his credibility w/ the other posters. But that is soooo wrong......

Now he's posted info about the phone call from JY to his mama to try to establish a timeline for JY. I don't buy it. I agree w/ one of the posters over there that he posted that information only to try to get the other posters to help him out by trying to find an old post about AL. He's either digging for info about the 911 tape or trying to figure out who RPD is so he can "out" him.

I seriously doubt there will be an arrest today.....but then again maybe when I come home for lunch there will be a new thread here "THE ARREST"

Enjoy your day!

Kadie

DEPUTYDAWG
02-28-2007, 08:37 AM
I venture to >>>> "the dark side" only every few days and only skim through posts...but I was thinking that gojo was trying to insinuate that maybe RPD=AL? Gojo was claiming that he emailed AL, but only AL would know that; yet, RPD became aware of that. Then later, another poster did find a post in which gojo made mention of contacting AL. I dunno, as I said I only get periodic highlights, as I don't have that many hours of downtime to spend on such scary posts, etc. over there. JMO.

Okay, I'll be waiting for "The Arrest" thread to begin today, as well! :p

curious1
02-28-2007, 08:47 AM
I swear--- dont say his name here----- someone must have over there 3 times ( beetlejuice,beetlejuicce,beetlejuice)---He absolutly makes me nuts, just seeing his name--- Dear God Almighty- where does he come up with it?
ok-o/t back on--- sorry I just knew exactly who curious was talking about:blushing:
Trust me, I would not say his name for fear of attracting him here. Who knows he might do a search on his name every day to see where people are discussing him and then show up there. Goodness forbid that happen here. :p

raisincharlie
02-28-2007, 10:46 AM
I venture to >>>> "the dark side" only every few days and only skim through posts...but I was thinking that gojo was trying to insinuate that maybe RPD=AL? Gojo was claiming that he emailed AL, but only AL would know that; yet, RPD became aware of that. Then later, another poster did find a post in which gojo made mention of contacting AL. I dunno, as I said I only get periodic highlights, as I don't have that many hours of downtime to spend on such scary posts, etc. over there. JMO.

Okay, I'll be waiting for "The Arrest" thread to begin today, as well! :p
Hey DD - good to see you! :) I'm thinking there are a number of things going on with Mr. gojo and companions - one is trying to find out who RPD is - that has been going on all the way back to JTFs days when she accused him of being someone in particular. Since Amanda Lamb ran the piece on the message board thing I am sure "they" assume that she knows who RPD is. The implications are indeed clear, "they" assume that Ms. Lamb is feeding RPD information. Which is rather ludicrous when one thinks about it. Ms. Lamb could most likely nuke that entire board with what she knows and could do it just as the gojo's - anonimity and using someone else's computer and/or nic. I think RPD actually favors Ed Crump anyway...

The JY supporters have had a case against the press from day one - on some points I believe they have justification but this constant accusing the media of putting out false information is tiresome. As we all know, the media in this case has been amazingly silent. For the most part all they have really reported has related to publically available documents. I don't recall any major revelations that were not supported by either a search warrant, NTO, or Court Order. I must say that from following this cast of characters, I am not impressed with the level of intelligence shown. That is harsh but I think some marbles have escaped the pouch and have rolled far away, very far away.:crazy:

I have no doubts Ms Lamb has received plenty of emails...hopefully she has printed them out and has them safely stored away, I'm sure some of them were none too pleasant. I'm glad she has not been intimidated as this seems to be the approach IMO - that is the approach being aimed at RPD - I have no doubt, they have tried it before. JMO of course.

curious1
02-28-2007, 10:49 AM
RC, don't you find that 'intimidation' is often a weapon used by the guilty and/or their friends/family? They don't have anything else, they can't point to a, b & c as proof of innocence so they start attacking the media and the victims family/friends.

raisincharlie
02-28-2007, 10:51 AM
Raisin,


I agree about the MM info that gojo posted. When I first read that , I thought "oh no..." Then sorasista confirmed it......after calling some friends. I agree that he was trying to establish his credibility w/ the other posters. But that is soooo wrong......

Now he's posted info about the phone call from JY to his mama to try to establish a timeline for JY. I don't buy it. I agree w/ one of the posters over there that he posted that information only to try to get the other posters to help him out by trying to find an old post about AL. He's either digging for info about the 911 tape or trying to figure out who RPD is so he can "out" him.

I seriously doubt there will be an arrest today.....but then again maybe when I come home for lunch there will be a new thread here "THE ARREST"

Enjoy your day!

Kadie
Kadie,

This is why I think they need to be quiet - now they say JY called his Mom on Thursday evening about coming by - the appearance is obvious - JY was thinking ahead. It could be taken other ways as well but since no one else seems to have search warrants aimed in their direction - this information is not good in perspective. Then again- it could all just be bs.

Have a great day Kadie !

raisincharlie
02-28-2007, 10:57 AM
RC, don't you find that 'intimidation' is often a weapon used by the guilty and/or their friends/family? They don't have anything else, they can't point to a, b & c as proof of innocence so they start attacking the media and the victims family/friends.
Yes. This is another disturbing point for me. I could entertain discussing other possible suspects but the way these people want to discuss is to smear and blame rather than logic, fact (s/w issued) and thought. Rational argument would be nice, but so far that has not surfaced, only anger, spitefulness, and bitterness. Doesn't make me want to listen.

DEPUTYDAWG
02-28-2007, 12:50 PM
Hey DD - good to see you! :) I'm thinking there are a number of things going on with Mr. gojo and companions - one is trying to find out who RPD is - that has been going on all the way back to JTFs days when she accused him of being someone in particular. Since Amanda Lamb ran the piece on the message board thing I am sure "they" assume that she knows who RPD is. The implications are indeed clear, "they" assume that Ms. Lamb is feeding RPD information. Which is rather ludicrous when one thinks about it. Ms. Lamb could most likely nuke that entire board with what she knows and could do it just as the gojo's - anonimity and using someone else's computer and/or nic. I think RPD actually favors Ed Crump anyway...

(snipped for space)
.

RC, good to see you as well :blowkiss: I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts and your insights into the details, etc.

LOL re Ed Crump and RPD...poor RPD, I hope he's secure in his masculinity. Wasn't it JTF who thought RPD was a female cop? And now gojo thinks he's AL. Poor guy keeps getting confused as a female, LOL...even though he's the ONLY poster here that has been mentioned in a news article as a businessman!

He handles it well, LOL. Obviously, JTF and gojo get so lathered up in trying to find out who RPD is, they're missing a few key marbles (oops, I meant points, of course :D )

Okay, no arrest (or 2) yet???

fran
02-28-2007, 09:57 PM
Shucks!

I keep checking the local Raleigh news for an arrest.

I'll be patient............. :crazy:

fran

close_enough
02-28-2007, 10:02 PM
Shucks!

I keep checking the local Raleigh news for an arrest.

I'll be patient............. :crazy:

fran

i did the same thing earlier this morning, Fran.....thinking anytime now, anytime now :banghead:

panthera
02-28-2007, 10:36 PM
i did the same thing earlier this morning, Fran.....thinking anytime now, anytime now :banghead:Still nothing new yet in Michelle's case ~ back to ANS for now. ;)

raisincharlie
02-28-2007, 10:57 PM
RC, good to see you as well :blowkiss: I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts and your insights into the details, etc.

LOL re Ed Crump and RPD...poor RPD, I hope he's secure in his masculinity. Wasn't it JTF who thought RPD was a female cop? And now gojo thinks he's AL. Poor guy keeps getting confused as a female, LOL...even though he's the ONLY poster here that has been mentioned in a news article as a businessman!

He handles it well, LOL. Obviously, JTF and gojo get so lathered up in trying to find out who RPD is, they're missing a few key marbles (oops, I meant points, of course :D )

Okay, no arrest (or 2) yet???Well - Mr Gojo has had his fun:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/blogpost/1218438/

Like his predecessor JTF he has marched to the drum of accusing Ms. Lamb of many things - I enjoyed her response.

"The truth shall set you free". Gojo has accused Ms Lamb of being RPD. I wonder if the next step is, Ms. Lamb did it ? I will repeat, the marbles are rolling further away at a faster rate.

scandi
02-28-2007, 11:05 PM
Hi Charlie, Good to see you!

I'll have to read that again. I thought it was she was told RPD was pretending to be her. I am surprised RPD didn't get an email from CTV for writing that letter, but then I'm really gullible, and when I read it I thought he was 'outing' himself. For a little while LOL

I'm trying to remember who the 3 friends were that LE talked to that then told JY he better hire an attorney. I just read that the other day from an insider I think.

Also, did we ever find out what was revealed in those CD's under warrant that had to do with when they were married? It wsa something negative about JY I believe.

raisincharlie
02-28-2007, 11:16 PM
Hi Charlie, Good to see you!

I'll have to read that again. I thought it was she was told RPD was pretending to be her. I am surprised RPD didn't get an email from CTV for writing that letter, but then I'm really gullible, and when I read it I thought he was 'outing' himself. For a little while LOL

I'm trying to remember who the 3 friends were that LE talked to that then told JY he better hire an attorney. I just read that the other day from an insider I think.

Also, did we ever find out what was revealed in those CD's under warrant that had to do with when they were married? It wsa something negative about JY I believe.Scandi,

I note that that entire daily thread is missing and CW issued a very strong warning on the next daily thread. RPD was being sarcastic and was in no way really claiming to be Ms. Lamb - it was done to aggravate Mr. Goins. Seems the aggravation led to Mr. Goins continuing his railing against Ms. Lamb-note the reference to the "breach of journalistic ethics" - how many times did both JTF and gojo accuse Ms. Lamb of this very thing? I think Goins was intensely ticked that RPD figured out who he was and of course blamed this on Ms. Lamb. For some reason the JY camp has made a case against her - not sure why but I think they protest too much. I hope WRAL did indeed send a very strong return message to Mr. Goins.

I think the possible friends may have been the couple that were supposedly coming in from another city to spend the weekend but have never heard names. No information that I have heard about what was on those CDs from around the time JY and Michelle were married.

YaYa :p

5bigfish5
02-28-2007, 11:49 PM
Well - Mr Gojo has had his fun:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/blogpost/1218438/

Like his predecessor JTF he has marched to the drum of accusing Ms. Lamb of many things - I enjoyed her response.

"The truth shall set you free". Gojo has accused Ms Lamb of being RPD. I wonder if the next step is, Ms. Lamb did it ? I will repeat, the marbles are rolling further away at a faster rate.
Hi RC,

Methinks Gojo has done gone off the deep end.

Good Grief, if the friends are acting like this now, the trial ought to be a doozy of a roller coaster ride.

I'm glad I don't live in Brevard OR know any of those NUTZ.

Thanks for the link.

Cheers!

raisincharlie
03-01-2007, 12:12 AM
Hi RC,

Methinks Gojo has done gone off the deep end.

Good Grief, if the friends are acting like this now, the trial ought to be a doozy of a roller coaster ride.

I'm glad I don't live in Brevard OR know any of those NUTZ.

Thanks for the link.

Cheers!
Hello 5bigfish5!

I think this is indicative of the incredible stress the Young family and friends currently finds themselves having to endure. I believe JY is taking his lawyer's advice and talking to no one about anything significant - you know this family has questions. Very sad.

scandi
03-01-2007, 12:39 AM
It is a tough situation to be in, being friends or even family of someone who is suspected of murdering his pregnant wife.

I thinik these friends of his took the path of least resistance in formulating a plan to build up his image and extricate him as her possible murderer. Gojo had kind of changed his tune the last few days he was Gojo, softening a bit I thought. Thinking that he would be arrested and the waiting for it to happen was bleary - the knock on the door, as he said it.

I would have expected him to admit the possibility his friend could have done this and then shower us with reasons why he could never have done it. Instead it was the old pass the buck routine which was most unkind.

There is one thing that is probably none of my beeswax, but one thing that is against TOS on every board is respecting the poster's true identity. The way it worked out John came on and blew his own horn, and it was his decision. I just wonder if he should have even been put in that position.

I think RPD has done a lot to further the discussion, and I do appreciate that. Now I just hope this whole thing goes away and we don't have news of any pending action of any kind. When it gets personal it could be playing with :furious: {that's fire ;}

raisincharlie
03-01-2007, 01:00 AM
It is a tough situation to be in, being friends or even family of someone who is suspected of murdering his pregnant wife.

I thinik these friends of his took the path of least resistance in formulating a plan to build up his image and extricate him as her possible murderer. Gojo had kind of changed his tune the last few days he was Gojo, softening a bit I thought. Thinking that he would be arrested and the waiting for it to happen was bleary - the knock on the door, as he said it.

I would have expected him to admit the possibility his friend could have done this and then shower us with reasons why he could never have done it. Instead it was the old pass the buck routine which was most unkind.

There is one thing that is probably none of my beeswax, but one thing that is against TOS on every board is respecting the poster's true identity. The way it worked out John came on and blew his own horn, and it was his decision. I just wonder if he should have even been put in that position.

I think RPD has done a lot to further the discussion, and I do appreciate that. Now I just hope this whole thing goes away and we don't have news of any pending action of any kind. When it gets personal it could be playing with :furious: {that's fire ;}
I agree Scandi, especially about the issue of identity. There have been several things posted that IMO should never have been put on a board anywhere. As to Mr. Goins, yes he tooted his own horn, like you I don't believe he should have been placed in that position but he chose to respond when there was no need to do so as this was done via pm. There are motives on both sides of that coin, both sides exhibit obsessive behavior and both are out of control as far as I am concerned.

I have a feeling, just based on the anger and bitterness posted, this is just the begining. JTF swore she would deal with this, it is obvious that some have made attempts to influence the media. If I were Amanda Lamb I would be mad as heck and would find myself on the way to Brevard with a lawyer for a face to face conversation. I just have this feeling it is going to get worse. This bs of dragging innocent people into the mud is going to be really nasty IMO.

scandi
03-01-2007, 01:13 AM
Yea, I agree with you Charlie. I remember Goins saying he was writing a letter to her director/editor {?what the word was he used} which is why he wanted that post that had been deleated. It was a post telling inside scoop on the city where the meeting was supposedly held.

I made a mental note of one insider posting who posted 2x and said he thought for sure it was Roanoke, which is off the same hwy as Hillville and not too far of a drive. I wondered what the heck was the importance of that anyway in writing to Amanda's boss!

Boy did the journalizm prof make a big mistake! In his mind he probably did it to make Jy look better! LOL

Samiya
03-01-2007, 01:14 AM
Hi RC,

Methinks Gojo has done gone off the deep end.

Good Grief, if the friends are acting like this now, the trial ought to be a doozy of a roller coaster ride.

I'm glad I don't live in Brevard OR know any of those NUTZ.

Thanks for the link.

Cheers!
Whaddayamean 'gone off the deep end'.

I think the pool was empty when he hit bottom and cracked his head open so all his marbles could fall out, lol.

Hugs
Sami

scandi
03-01-2007, 01:18 AM
Ha Haa Haa Ha Ha Haaaaaaa :p

Adorable little laughing Santa rolling on the floor splitting a gut!

raisincharlie
03-01-2007, 01:22 AM
Yea, I agree with you Charlie. I remember Goins saying he was writing a letter to her director/editor {?what the word was he used} which is why he wanted that post that had been deleated. It was a post telling inside scoop on the city where the meeting was supposedly held.

I made a mental note of one insider posting who posted 2x and said he thought for sure it was Roanoke, which is off the same hwy as Hillville and not too far of a drive. I wondered what the heck was the importance of that anyway in writing to Amanda's boss!

Boy did the journalizm prof make a big mistake! In his mind he probably did it to make Jy look better! LOL
My opinion, the JY side is totally furious that the media won't sit down with them and accept and print the accusations that MF killed her sister. They want stories printed about MF, after all she isn't sitting in jail on E charges. There have been no warrants released concerning her, no accusations of affairs and so on. They want stories printed that point to someone else whether there is information to support it or not. JMO.

raisincharlie
03-01-2007, 01:25 AM
Whaddayamean 'gone off the deep end'.

I think the pool was empty when he hit bottom and cracked his head open so all his marbles could fall out, lol.

Hugs
Sami
Thats what happens after a lifetime of teaching rugrats and yard monkeys :D

DEPUTYDAWG
03-01-2007, 08:34 AM
Well - Mr Gojo has had his fun:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/blogpost/1218438/

.

Woweeeee! Thanks for that link, I would have hated to have missed that!
This is all just so bizarre. Really.

Kadie
03-01-2007, 09:52 AM
Well - Mr Gojo has had his fun:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/blogpost/1218438/

Like his predecessor JTF he has marched to the drum of accusing Ms. Lamb of many things - I enjoyed her response.

"The truth shall set you free". Gojo has accused Ms Lamb of being RPD. I wonder if the next step is, Ms. Lamb did it ? I will repeat, the marbles are rolling further away at a faster rate.
I can't pull up the blog. Can someone PM with it? I want to read it!

TIA,
Kadie

Kadie
03-01-2007, 10:12 AM
I can't pull up the blog. Can someone PM with it? I want to read it!

TIA,
Kadie
Okay, I went over to CTV and got the jist of what she wrote. Apparently the blog has been taken down now.

raisincharlie
03-01-2007, 10:14 AM
I can't pull up the blog. Can someone PM with it? I want to read it!

TIA,
Kadie
Kadie,

I just checked at WRAL - apparently this entry in Ms. Lamb's blog is no longer there. I'm sorry I did not save a copy of it otherwise I would send it to you. I do not know why, I only hope the message reached those it was intended to reach - I suspect it did. I will keep looking to see if it is reposted and if I find it I will send it to you. Sorry !

fran
03-01-2007, 10:26 AM
Kadie,

I just checked at WRAL - apparently this entry in Ms. Lamb's blog is no longer there. I'm sorry I did not save a copy of it otherwise I would send it to you. I do not know why, I only hope the message reached those it was intended to reach - I suspect it did. I will keep looking to see if it is reposted and if I find it I will send it to you. Sorry !

Darn! I wanted to read it too. But I did like this article Ms. Lamb wrote. Bet there's a few around who didn't appreciate Ms Lamb's views.

JMHO
fran


http://wral.com/news/local/blog/1049148/

Okay, here’s the deal, I feel like a broken record, but I will say it one more time. Women are almost always killed by a husband or boyfriend, period. The statistics on this are clear and irrefutable. Yet, for some reason, as a community we continue to dismiss domestic murders as common and understandable, as “crimes of passion.”

In my eighteen years in the business I can’t tell you how many times a producer has asked me the following question over the phone: “So it’s just a domestic, there’s nothing really to it?” I know it would be sexier if the Bogeyman jumped out of the bushes, but that simply doesn’t happen with any regularity.

...........................snip............more at link.................................

raisincharlie
03-01-2007, 10:32 AM
Woweeeee! Thanks for that link, I would have hated to have missed that!
This is all just so bizarre. Really.

Evening DD,

I have a question for you that perhaps Mr. DNA can provide some insight into if you wouldn't mind asking him next time you run across him. Will send you a Toblerone for him !

I am wondering how effective DNA analysis is in materials recovered from for instance a shower drain. I would assume there would be a DNA mixture present (if recovered) from a master bath shared by a husband and wife. Would the analysis be able to distinguish the two ? Would this analysis, if it could be attenuated, then also be able to be compared against knowns from the couple that live there ?

If it is known from the crime scene that the killer took a shower after the murder, if the perp was not bleeding, what would the odds be that such person's DNA would be detectable - hair possibly ? If the perp was injured and bleeding would there be a possibility of detection?

No rush for answers and don't go out of your way to get one - okay?

Thanks - have a good day !

Ms. Lamb is my hero ! :)

Kadie
03-01-2007, 10:35 AM
Kadie,

I just checked at WRAL - apparently this entry in Ms. Lamb's blog is no longer there. I'm sorry I did not save a copy of it otherwise I would send it to you. I do not know why, I only hope the message reached those it was intended to reach - I suspect it did. I will keep looking to see if it is reposted and if I find it I will send it to you. Sorry !

I guess she sent RPD an email as well. He quoted part of the email over on CTV....very interesting. This saga gets crazier and crazier.

Thanks for checking RC!

Kadie

raisincharlie
03-01-2007, 10:47 AM
Darn! I wanted to read it too. But I did like this article Ms. Lamb wrote. Bet there's a few around who didn't appreciate Ms Lamb's views.

JMHO
fran

<snipped>

Fran,

I suspect such views, which are actually founded on statistics, were not received well by certain folks. I also suspect certain folks expect her to listen to their rantings about who they think really killed Michelle and to publish such rantings as they obviously know how to solve crimes better than WCSO does.

This animosity towards Amanda Lamb and the idiocy started way back with JTF who believes Ms. Lamb is making JY look guilty and is accusing him and is bound to try him in the press. This is a very convoluted bunch in my opinion and hopefully Ms. Lamb has a good lawyer who can get a point across to them.

DEPUTYDAWG
03-01-2007, 11:41 AM
Evening DD,

I have a question for you that perhaps Mr. DNA can provide some insight into if you wouldn't mind asking him next time you run across him. Will send you a Toblerone for him !

I am wondering how effective DNA analysis is in materials recovered from for instance a shower drain. I would assume there would be a DNA mixture present (if recovered) from a master bath shared by a husband and wife. Would the analysis be able to distinguish the two ? Would this analysis, if it could be attenuated, then also be able to be compared against knowns from the couple that live there ?

If it is known from the crime scene that the killer took a shower after the murder, if the perp was not bleeding, what would the odds be that such person's DNA would be detectable - hair possibly ? If the perp was injured and bleeding would there be a possibility of detection?

No rush for answers and don't go out of your way to get one - okay?

Thanks - have a good day !

Ms. Lamb is my hero ! :)

RC, I'll email Mr DNA on my lunch hour...he's great at getting back to me ASAP on basically everything, but now that I think about it, I haven't received any emails from him for a day or two. He might be in court or heaven forbid, vacation. Ha! I'll let you know as soon as we get his response. That would be good info to know, in this case and just general purposes.

P.S. Agree on Ms. Lamb! She's about the only one I'm aware of that covers much of this case at all. Wouldn't you love to know what she 1) really knows and 2) really thinks :innocent:

raisincharlie
03-01-2007, 11:53 AM
RC, I'll email Mr DNA on my lunch hour...he's great at getting back to me ASAP on basically everything, but now that I think about it, I haven't received any emails from him for a day or two. He might be in court or heaven forbid, vacation. Ha! I'll let you know as soon as we get his response. That would be good info to know, in this case and just general purposes.

P.S. Agree on Ms. Lamb! She's about the only one I'm aware of that covers much of this case at all. Wouldn't you love to know what she 1) really knows and 2) really thinks :innocent:
Thank you DD ! Yes, it is good to be able to ask someone in the know so we don't stumble around looking really silly !:crazy: This whole issue of DNA is extremely interesting and such a useful tool for finding both the guilty and proving innocence. Amazing stuff !

I would like to know what Ms. Lamb knows and also what she thinks. I think it is volumes beyond us and I must credit her for keeping any personal feelings out of her reporting. I suspect that this combination is also why some are working so hard to discredit her. Hopefully if this goes to trial CTV will cover it and maybe someday we will know as well.

Thanks again luv - and have a good day!

ISPTRAX
03-01-2007, 12:12 PM
I'm sorry I've lost track (and patience without the husband's arrest yet)... what just what kind of reason would the sister have had to kill Michelle?

raisincharlie
03-01-2007, 12:22 PM
I'm sorry I've lost track (and patience without the husband's arrest yet)... what just what kind of reason would the sister have had to kill Michelle?
ISPTRAX,

No idea why Meredith would have killed her only sister. Not known but rumored is the life insurance named JY as beneficiary - therefore no financial gain. Also not known but rumored was that Cassidy was to be given to JY's younger sister in the event something happened to Michelle and JY - no child to gain there.

However the insiders supporting JY have indicated jealousy as Michelle was thin and pretty and was the favorite - sibling rivalry. Also Meredith was into to some unsavory activities such as drugs and so on. Other than this kind of muck, no real reasons provided. :sick:

jilly
03-01-2007, 12:32 PM
ISPTRAX,

No idea why Meredith would have killed her only sister. Not known but rumored is the life insurance named JY as beneficiary - therefore no financial gain. Also not known but rumored was that Cassidy was to be given to JY's younger sister in the event something happened to Michelle and JY - no child to gain there.

However the insiders supporting JY have indicated jealousy as Michelle was thin and pretty and was the favorite - sibling rivalry. Also Meredith was into to some unsavory activities such as drugs and so on. Other than this kind of muck, no real reasons provided. :sick:

I believe there was a murmur of some heirloom (jewellry) and money missing too.

raisincharlie
03-01-2007, 12:40 PM
I believe there was a murmur of some heirloom (jewellry) and money missing too.
I recall hearing that as well Jilly. I can understand LE not knowing either of those things one way or the other since someone is not talking. I can understand LE not saying anything about jewelry but notifying the pawn shops with a hot sheet in hopes someone would try to pawn it. But I think it is a red herring in reality. I'm surprised there has not been a count of how many jelly beans were missing as well...:slap: :slap:

ISPTRAX
03-01-2007, 12:47 PM
Thanks for the replies, everyone. It doesn't make a helluva lotta sense to me that Meridith would have done it...

curious1
03-01-2007, 01:02 PM
I know this isnt' going to be very popular, but.....after the Groening case and the lawyers wife out in CA where we all thought it must be someone close because of the brutatlity and it could not have been done by strangers I am open to almost anything these days. I do lean towards JY at the moment though. I can also see the sister angle. My older sister and I have never been the best of friends, but we have had a pretty good relationship, but there has always been some jealousy on her part towards me. And right now it's at it's worse. She's at a point in her life where things are not what she had hoped for and I seem to have made some better choices and instead of looking at what she can do to improve her situation she instead has chosen to focus all of her unhappiness on me. She truly hates me right now and I for one and glad she lives over 5 hours away and has never been to my house. She has a very very very bad temper I don't know what she might do. She has such a rage towards me right now and it's just a wierd situation, so I can see how a sister could do this as well. That in no way means I think her sister did this, I don't, but I am open to the idea that it could have happend. :twocents:

raisincharlie
03-01-2007, 01:42 PM
I know this isnt' going to be very popular, but.....after the Groening case and the lawyers wife out in CA where we all thought it must be someone close because of the brutatlity and it could not have been done by strangers I am open to almost anything these days. I do lean towards JY at the moment though. I can also see the sister angle. My older sister and I have never been the best of friends, but we have had a pretty good relationship, but there has always been some jealousy on her part towards me. And right now it's at it's worse. She's at a point in her life where things are not what she had hoped for and I seem to have made some better choices and instead of looking at what she can do to improve her situation she instead has chosen to focus all of her unhappiness on me. She truly hates me right now and I for one and glad she lives over 5 hours away and has never been to my house. She has a very very very bad temper I don't know what she might do. She has such a rage towards me right now and it's just a wierd situation, so I can see how a sister could do this as well. That in no way means I think her sister did this, I don't, but I am open to the idea that it could have happend. :twocents:
I'm glad she is five hours away from you as well !

I could entertain other possible participants as well provided there was something given other than what we have right now which is nothing but rumor and innuendo. I haven't seen any returned warrants for anyone else (except for MMs computer). I recall Sherrif Harrison stating that warrants for fingerprints and what not have not been required for anyone but JY. Apparently many characters are cooperating, to include Meredith.

One of the big reasons I have against thinking very much about Meredith - goes back to the document that JY called her about and asked her to retrieve. If Meredith was involved, this has got to be better luck than winning the lottery. JMO. I believe this to be true as the search warrants indicate that Meredith was left a voice mail, the NTO also indicates that JY was required to give voice samples. This tells me that the voicemail left by JY was still on Meredith's phone and most likely will prove out to be JYs voice. I say that because there have been no warrants made public regarding Meredith. I see no reason why a search warrant to explore the austral data from Meredith's phone would not be disclosed.

To me, the biggest unknown and possibility would be the GA friend. We know zero about her and either she has been taken into witness protection or she is locked up in a mental ward somewhere. It is as if she does not exist since 1030 pm on November 2, 2006. Unfortunately we are left with what is public knowledge and unfortunately that points in one direction only. I tend to believe that LE has far greater knowledge about how to investigate than I do - as such I am left in the position of taking their lead. They could be wrong in this case, but I'll take that lottery ticket as well. JMO.