A question for Annasmom

[shipmatekate]

Hi Annasmom,

I have been following this for some time, I have a question and I do apologize if it has already been asked.

When you noticed the "silence" that clued you into Annas not being where she should have been, were there any other noises? It seems that if there were a vehicle on your road it would have been heard by someone, given the isolated nature of your home.

Is it possible that someone carried Anna away through the fields rather than scoop her up into a car?

Many thanks!

Kate

[Annasmom]

Hi Annasmom,

I have been following this for some time, I have a question and I do apologize if it has already been asked.

When you noticed the "silence" that clued you into Annas not being where she should have been, were there any other noises? It seems that if there were a vehicle on your road it would have been heard by someone, given the isolated nature of your home.

Is it possible that someone carried Anna away through the fields rather than scoop her up into a car?

Many thanks!

KateKate, it's entirely possible. I do not remember hearing any other sounds at that time.

[shipmatekate]

Thanks Annasmom, you know kids can move at an amazing speed and I just wondered if maybe she had walked a little ways away from the home and was nabbed at that point.

The short period between her being seen and her disappearing indicates to my mind that she was probably taken away fairly quickly

[Dr. Doogie]

There was only a five-to-fifteen minute window in which she was taken. Unless it was extremely "lucky" timing by the abductor(s), it seems to me to indicate a well-coordinated scheme.

[shipmatekate]

There was only a five-to-fifteen minute window that she was taken. Unless it was extremely "lucky" timing by the abductor(s), it seems to me to indicate a well-cordinated scheme.
Exactly! A child vanishing in that short period of time, and doing so silently indicates that she was taken quickly and probably was being watched. It may be easier than you think to observe someone's home, especially if you are familiar with their habits.

[curious1]

That's what happened with little Shasta and Dylan. Now we know these pervs do 'stalk' their victims sometimes.

[mysteriew]

That brings up another question. At that time of the day was it routine for Anna to be outside?

[Annasmom]

That brings up another question. At that time of the day was it routine for Anna to be outside? She almost always came home from school, changed into play clothes, and went right outside.

[skywatchn]

I have questions for Annasmom. In reviewing some of the facts, Doogie stated Anna was taken quickly in a 5-15 minute window. You stated that Anna was taken on a Tuesday and that you went to school with her on
Mondays because you were an aid in Anna's class. Were either of the Georges aware that you went with Anna on Mondays? Also, did you go to school with her on the day (Monday) before she was taken? On days when you went to the school, did you leave and return with Anna? Did you drive or just ride the bus with her? If you did go to the school on Monday before she disappeared, can you remember seeing anything or someone out of the ordinary? Please forgive me if these questions have been answered. Thank you.

[InterestedNHelping]

I realize that the BFH is just that, He**, however, I was wondering if allowable, to scan the documents, and use them for sleuthers to peruse for details. Of course this would be up to the descretion of Annasmom, but I would be glad to help find ways to make them viewable, if it would be allowed. I was thinking that since it has been so many years, maybe it would be ok for us to see some of them?
( I keep having a dream about a particular paper, that I think must be in the BFH,lol)

[Annasmom]

I have questions for Annasmom. In reviewing some of the facts, Doogie stated Anna was taken quickly in a 5-15 minute window. You stated that Anna was taken on a Tuesday and that you went to school with her on
Mondays because you were an aid in Anna's class. Were either of the Georges aware that you went with Anna on Mondays? Also, did you go to school with her on the day (Monday) before she was taken? On days when you went to the school, did you leave and return with Anna? Did you drive or just ride the bus with her? If you did go to the school on Monday before she disappeared, can you remember seeing anything or someone out of the ordinary? Please forgive me if these questions have been answered. Thank you.I wish I could give you a better answer, but it is so long ago and I didn't write anything about this in my journal. As far as I know, the Georges knew very little about any of our activities, apart from our address. The only contact I had with GW was the monthly support checks sent from a post office box. I think (but am not sure) I rode the school bus on Monday and that I did go to and from school on that Monday with Anna. I do not remember seeing anything out of the ordinary. The bus driver recently was in touch with Doogie and said something about a car or cars she saw on the way to the farm, but we have not been able to pin these down after such a long time.

[Annasmom]

I realize that the BFH is just that, He**, however, I was wondering if allowable, to scan the documents, and use them for sleuthers to peruse for details. Of course this would be up to the descretion of Annasmom, but I would be glad to help find ways to make them viewable, if it would be allowed. I was thinking that since it has been so many years, maybe it would be ok for us to see some of them?
( I keep having a dream about a particular paper, that I think must be in the BFH,lol)There are hundreds if not thousands of papers in this box, and some of them have no direct bearing on the case. I am glad, however, to scan documents which might be of use (someone will have to give me lessons on how to post them, however, or maybe Doogie knows how to do it)...In particular, if you can describe the paper you're visualizing, I'll try my best to find it.

[InterestedNHelping]

For approx 6 months, I have seen a paper that is pink, and it reminds me of the old "While you were out"...type phone message pads, from the 1970's, perhaps you remember them? Anyway, it continues to come to mind, maybe there is something similar to that, pink, and black lines on it. keep seeing it, and don't know why.

(one more afterthought I wanted to mention, all during the DNA testing time of C, I thought in my mind that C was Anna, however, the dreams of the reddish rooftops and white buildings continued to come, especially the last week of waiting. I thought for sure of the DNA being positive, but something else kept telling me otherwise, I still don't understand it)
It never seems to evolve into anything more, so I have never mentioned it because it basically seems fruitless or irrelevant at this time.

[Annasmom]

For approx 6 months, I have seen a paper that is pink, and it reminds me of the old "While you were out"...type phone message pads, from the 1970's, perhaps you remember them? Anyway, it continues to come to mind, maybe there is something similar to that, pink, and black lines on it. keep seeing it, and don't know why.

(one more afterthought I wanted to mention, all during the DNA testing time of C, I thought in my mind that C was Anna, however, the dreams of the reddish rooftops and white buildings continued to come, especially the last week of waiting. I thought for sure of the DNA being positive, but something else kept telling me otherwise, I still don't understand it)
It never seems to evolve into anything more, so I have never mentioned it because it basically seems fruitless or irrelevant at this time.I went through everything in the box except the insurance policies, and I did indeed find something which fits that description: It is a pink copy of a blood test ordered by GW on a patient Jan. 16, 1973 from (I think) the Mission Neighborhood Health Clinic, which might have been kept to verify Dr. Waters' assertion that he was at work the day Anna disappeared. I also found a tiny postage-stamp-size photograph of George holding Anna which I had never seen before. On the back of the picture in GW's handwriting is "Sept., 1968 1 year 2 days Anna Christian Eifee".
By the way, the box is not as spooky as it was before, and everything is neatly organized, which makes me think that the Sheriff's office certainly looked at the material and perhaps photocopied some of it. I did not find the note mentioned in the HMB Review story, however.

[InterestedNHelping]

Wow, I have to say that you surprised me with that! First off, I would like to know the initials, if not the Name of the patient, private message or public, whatever you feel is ok. ALso, I still feel certain that it was more of a smaller message type pad, such as, 5x7 or 3x5, can you tell me the size? I know that seems irrelevant, but maybe not...I am stunned on the date, absolutely stunned. The picture seems to say alot to me, and that is her name was not Waters to him, it was A.C.E...and that is what I am following, along with the idea that Brody is our problem. I believe, and always have, that Dr. Waters was victimized by Brody, in spite of his intelligence, he was simply used by someone else.
If the box is organized, I wonder, was that box documented by you before they had access to it? Is everything there, who knows, probably, and why did they do it, most likely they were good detectives searching for a timeline of events, is my idea. I still think that paper has something we need to research, but I would like to know if it is the only one that fits my description?
God bless you, Michaele, I want to help however I can, and if you can send me more info on this particular idea, or your thoughts about it, I would appreciate it.
Many Blessings again
Pat

[Annasmom]

Wow, I have to say that you surprised me with that! First off, I would like to know the initials, if not the Name of the patient, private message or public, whatever you feel is ok. ALso, I still feel certain that it was more of a smaller message type pad, such as, 5x7 or 3x5, can you tell me the size? I know that seems irrelevant, but maybe not...I am stunned on the date, absolutely stunned. The picture seems to say alot to me, and that is her name was not Waters to him, it was A.C.E...and that is what I am following, along with the idea that Brody is our problem. I believe, and always have, that Dr. Waters was victimized by Brody, in spite of his intelligence, he was simply used by someone else.
If the box is organized, I wonder, was that box documented by you before they had access to it? Is everything there, who knows, probably, and why did they do it, most likely they were good detectives searching for a timeline of events, is my idea. I still think that paper has something we need to research, but I would like to know if it is the only one that fits my description?

Many Blessings again
Pat The pink paper is 5 x 8 and is a carbon copy of a blood test for a 51-year-old male, JR, ordered by GW and dated 1/16/73 in two places. My take on it (since there was nothing else like it in the box) is that he kept it to prove he was working on the date Anna disappeared...except that there is no time indicated on it. It does seem to be his handwriting. Neither Doogie nor I documented what was in the file before we turned it over, but everything I remember except that note featured in the HMB Review seemed to be there, somewhat more tidy and organized than before. At least I don't dread opening the thing the way I did!

[mfmangel1]

The pink paper is 5 x 8 and is a carbon copy of a blood test for a 51-year-old male, JR, ordered by GW and dated 1/16/73 in two places. My take on it (since there was nothing else like it in the box) is that he kept it to prove he was working on the date Anna disappeared...except that there is no time indicated on it. It does seem to be his handwriting. Neither Doogie nor I documented what was in the file before we turned it over, but everything I remember except that note featured in the HMB Review seemed to be there, somewhat more tidy and organized than before. At least I don't dread opening the thing the way I did!

Interesting. How did GW know he would need to keep paperwork for a possible alibi for that particular day? Did he know something was going to occur that day? From what we know, LE was barely interested in GW and GB after the fact. And what was the legality of GW taking a patient's paperwork home? If LE had asked for confirmation of his work schedule that day, medical staff would have been able to pull the records for that date.

And on the back of the picture, why not list Anna's full name or just her first name? He certainly knows who she is. Why just ACE?

As usual, where GW and GB are concerned, all of this is very odd! :doh:

[InterestedNHelping]

Most people would have LE check their place of employment to verify there whereabouts, and that is probably what LE would do anyway, they wouldn't take your word for it, I would guess.Perhaps he simply kept it for future questioning, if the need arise. However, taking a lab slip of a patients, home, after charting is not usual.I know that things come home, but not usually kept. I wonder if the alibi is not simply for GW, but for the 'patient' in question, in case LE suspected them in being involved, it would clear the patient too? This 'patient' would have to be researched and found carefully, by LE or a WSer so as not to infringe on personal rights.

[SherlockJr]

I also found a tiny postage-stamp-size photograph of George holding Anna which I had never seen before. On the back of the picture in GW's handwriting is "Sept., 1968 1 year 2 days Anna Christian Eifee".

Here is the pic that was found in the BFH. This would have been taken on Sept. 27, 1968.

[mysteriew]

I also found a tiny postage-stamp-size photograph of George holding Anna which I had never seen before. On the back of the picture in GW's handwriting is "Sept., 1968 1 year 2 days Anna Christian Eifee".


Were you not aware that the picture had been taken or was it something that you had just forgotten about? Background familiar to you? Was it a picture you had given him? How old do you think
Anna was at that time? Do you recall any occasion when GW might have been around Anna at that age?

To me it is kind of odd that Waters had it. He presented that he had no interest in Anna. Yet he kept a picture of her.
Had you given him other pictures of Anna? Were any of those found?

[InterestedNHelping]

Was the Mission Hill Health clinic a free clinic, or catch-all health clinic, or drug clinic, etc? Just curious the typical clientele, and also what they labeled themselves as to the public. Thank you for answering all these questions, I appreciate that this is tiring after so much time. I thought the initials in question were a 'J' but I thought s or t...JR is close, I just seem to always be close to important things, but do not narrow it down to something substantial, so I rarely post that I can see anything at all, it sounds silly sometimes, so I just wait it out to see if it is important.

[InterestedNHelping]

BTW, this gentleman (JR)was thus born in 1922

[Annasmom]

Were you not aware that the picture had been taken or was it something that you had just forgotten about? Background familiar to you? Was it a picture you had given him? How old do you think
Anna was at that time? Do you recall any occasion when GW might have been around Anna at that age?

To me it is kind of odd that Waters had it. He presented that he had no interest in Anna. Yet he kept a picture of her.
Had you given him other pictures of Anna? Were any of those found?
I don't recall ever seeing this picture before. It looks as if it was cut from a contact sheet, and I know George took some pictures of Anna around that time. She had just turned one year old. On the back of the picture GW had written "1 year 2 days" and "Anna Christian EIFEE". He had not yet left home for good at that time, though I think he was actually living somewhere else and just stopping by the house an hour or two every once in a while. The background could be the back yard at the house. It's hard to tell. Also there is a visible white fingerprint on the print, as though it had been made on the negative.

[Annasmom]

Was the Mission Hill Health clinic a free clinic, or catch-all health clinic, or drug clinic, etc? Just curious the typical clientele, and also what they labeled themselves as to the public. Thank you for answering all these questions, I appreciate that this is tiring after so much time. I thought the initials in question were a 'J' but I thought s or t...JR is close, I just seem to always be close to important things, but do not narrow it down to something substantial, so I rarely post that I can see anything at all, it sounds silly sometimes, so I just wait it out to see if it is important. I think patients at the Mission Neighborhood Health Center paid on a sliding scale. Most of the patients were people who lived in the San Francisco Mission District.

[Annasmom]

BTW, this gentleman (JR)was thus born in 1922
We've been looking at some pictures of a George Brody who was probably born around that time, but that would make him much younger than the GB I met, who had to be at least in his late sixties in 1967, if not older than that.

[mysteriew]

I don't recall ever seeing this picture before. It looks as if it was cut from a contact sheet, and I know George took some pictures of Anna around that time. She had just turned one year old. On the back of the picture GW had written "1 year 2 days" and "Anna Christian EIFEE". He had not yet left home for good at that time, though I think he was actually living somewhere else and just stopping by the house an hour or two every once in a while. The background could be the back yard at the house. It's hard to tell. Also there is a visible white fingerprint on the print, as though it had been made on the negative.


The picture is very posed and his shoulders appear even. Did he have a timer for the camera or do you think it was taken by a third party?
Did he develop the pictures himself usually? "Cut from a contact sheet" Wouldn't there normally be several pictures on a contact sheet? So he took the time to take the pictures, cut the one away from the others, and kept the picture. From the pict that is shown, the picture doesn't appear to have any wear or discoloration such as would come with being handled or carried in a wallet. Yet he kept the picture.

Sorry, just trying to understand his mindset/motivation here.

[InterestedNHelping]

We've been looking at some pictures of a George Brody who was probably born around that time, but that would make him much younger than the GB I met, who had to be at least in his late sixties in 1967, if not older than that.


My theory on this was not necessarily that he may be Brody, but that this person may have been involved so as not to incriminate Brody. However, I would 'assume', LOL, that LE checked into this person all those years ago, to see if there was any connection between the men?

[SherlockJr]

My first thought when Annasmom found a medical form with the name of a man listed was that could have been GB's real name and that would be reason for GW to keep this lab order. But the name listed on the receipt is a more spanish or italian name. I feel this is another sample of evidence found in the BFH linking the two George's to her disappearance. :cool:

[InterestedNHelping]

Excellent take on the lab slip, the more theories we have the more we may find about the truth. I agree wholeheartedly with you that this could link the Georges in some way. I just feel that GB made GW his scapegoat, which really irks me.

I do not go searching folks down or anything like that, but I would like to know the name, even though I know that it may not be made public. Perhaps LE would check it out.

(I am off to my son's graduation for a few days, hooray!) Will keep thinking on this 'pink paper man'!

[Annasmom]

My theory on this was not necessarily that he may be Brody, but that this person may have been involved so as not to incriminate Brody. However, I would 'assume', LOL, that LE checked into this person all those years ago, to see if there was any connection between the men?
As far as I know, GB was not investigated at all. Though this lab sheet was in the box with GW's papers, it was in Joe Ford's possession and then in mine until LE took the whole box last year. The lab sheet is stapled to a piece of paper Joe dated March 28, 82, with the following notes in his hand:
_________
1973: MNHC (Mission Neighborhood Health Center) receipts indicate no change or irregularity in hours worked when A. disappeared compared to rest of year.
Envelope from IRS marked as Audit 73 (#2) (of 1972 return) [no contents]
Presbyterian Hosp. pay stubs show no work change in hours during year
Mazda purchase & receipts
_______
It is possible that Joe, rather than GW, kept this particular lab slip as an indicator that GW was in fact at work the day Anna disappeared. We do not know the hours he was at work.

[Dr. Doogie]

...It is possible that Joe, rather than GW, kept this particular lab slip as an indicator that GW was in fact at work the day Anna disappeared. We do not know the hours he was at work.

The following is speculation, but I believe it to be logically sound:

It would make sense that Joe Ford would not have been able to access the clinics files or obtain the slip by circumstance (i.e. finding it in a garbage can, etc.). This means that Waters must have retained this one slip for a specific reason - to create an aliabi. The slip may be legit and retained by GW to show that his whereabouts were known on the day that Anna disappeared, or it may be a forgery to cover his tracks. But I think it is a safe assumption that Waters had this slip in his possesion directly related to Anna's disappearance.

[InterestedNHelping]

Lots of different ideas....

I 'feel' that this paper is extremely important to this whole case, I still do, but what part of the paper I am not sure. However, the reason I brought it up, is because of the name on the paper, and who they are in relation to the case, (if at all)

I have another question that may have been answered prior, if so, I apologize. How does anyone (is it LE, or Annasmom, or whom?) know that in fact GW destroyed papers prior to his death. Is it stated in LE reports that things were burned in the garbage, or shredded, or what exactly? I was wondering where this idea came from, I just do not remember if it was addressed previously.

I also firmly believe that GB must have taken advantage of many other people in his life, GW being the last. I wish someone would see that picture and come forward as a victim....too bad AMW wouldn't feature him as unknown identity...(darn bugger had an identity, just not his own I bet)
Where else can he be featured????

and last but not least...GW sure looked unsure of himself in several of the photos of him with Anna...reminds me of my husbands face, when our son was born, lol

[Dr. Doogie]

...How does anyone (is it LE, or Annasmom, or whom?) know that in fact GW destroyed papers prior to his death. Is it stated in LE reports that things were burned in the garbage, or shredded, or what exactly? I was wondering where this idea came from, I just do not remember if it was addressed previously...

I do not know where this came from also. I do know that GW was meticulous in keeping records of his personal papers going back several years, yet there is a noticable gap centering around January 1973. While this does not prove that materials from that period were destroyed, it does look very suspicious.

[Shadow205]

Lots of different ideas....

I 'feel' that this paper is extremely important to this whole case, I still do, but what part of the paper I am not sure. However, the reason I brought it up, is because of the name on the paper, and who they are in relation to the case, (if at all)

I have another question that may have been answered prior, if so, I apologize. How does anyone (is it LE, or Annasmom, or whom?) know that in fact GW destroyed papers prior to his death. Is it stated in LE reports that things were burned in the garbage, or shredded, or what exactly? I was wondering where this idea came from, I just do not remember if it was addressed previously.

I also firmly believe that GB must have taken advantage of many other people in his life, GW being the last. I wish someone would see that picture and come forward as a victim....too bad AMW wouldn't feature him as unknown identity...(darn bugger had an identity, just not his own I bet)
Where else can he be featured????

and last but not least...GW sure looked unsure of himself in several of the photos of him with Anna...reminds me of my husbands face, when our son was born, lol

Do we know that they won't? I don't remember if AMW has ever been contacted. If they have not been then perhaps they should be.

[GraceBlue]

I do not know where this came from also. I do know that GW was meticulous in keeping records of his personal papers going back several years, yet there is a noticable gap centering around January 1973. While this does not prove that materials from that period were destroyed, it does look very suspicious.

Hmm, not only that looks suspicious but if you think about Craig B seeing 2 men (an older man and a younger man) before Anna disappeared and the fact that GW took off work around the time Anna disappeared. Hmm

GB died in December and GW killed himself few weeks after that. Does anyone know what GW did or where GW went before he killed himself?

[Dr. Doogie]

Hmm, not only that looks suspicious but if you think about Craig B seeing 2 men (an older man and a younger man) before Anna disappeared and the fact that GW took off work around the time Anna disappeared. Hmm

GB died in December and GW killed himself few weeks after that. Does anyone know what GW did or where GW went before he killed himself?

It was about two weeks between the two deaths. We know that GW spent part of it tending to Brody's final arrangements (death certificate, cremation, etc.). How he spent the rest of the time is open for speculation.

[InterestedNHelping]

Here are several more thoughts...

First off, AMW would be great for our story, since Brody is dead, anyone who may have known him might come forward without fear of retribution.(as long as this is clearly stated on the show) However, my only doubt about them taking the story is that Brody died as "Brody", and we have no proof that he was not Brody, so they may not want to touch it...(I refuse to give up however, I will find out who he was)

Secondly, I remember that previously it was stated the GW was 'gone' for a time at that time, how was that substantiated? And are there any accurate dates? Also, If I can know the exact countries he had passports for at the time it will help me in my work.(this is a critical one for me, I want to research several ideas, if there is accurate passport info)

And lastly, the "two men, older and younger", this equates to my theorizing about the 'patient' on the paper, he seems a POSSIBILITY of a go-between in this to me.

The more info I can have the better, if anyone can answer to my speculations!

[mysteriew]

Do we know that they won't? I don't remember if AMW has ever been contacted. If they have not been then perhaps they should be.

How about Dateline and 48 hours?

[smile22]

what about finding the sister of margret or was she a relative? have we gotten any info on brody from her? i think she holds some answers as well as to who brody might be

[Annasmom]

I do not know where this came from also. I do know that GW was meticulous in keeping records of his personal papers going back several years, yet there is a noticable gap centering around January 1973. While this does not prove that materials from that period were destroyed, it does look very suspicious. Joe Ford is the only person who knows this for sure. I think there were lots of empty file folders and envelopes.

[Annasmom]

Here are several more thoughts...

Secondly, I remember that previously it was stated the GW was 'gone' for a time at that time, how was that substantiated? And are there any accurate dates? Also, If I can know the exact countries he had passports for at the time it will help me in my work.(this is a critical one for me, I want to research several ideas, if there is accurate passport info)

And lastly, the "two men, older and younger", this equates to my theorizing about the 'patient' on the paper, he seems a POSSIBILITY of a go-between in this to me.

The more info I can have the better, if anyone can answer to my speculations!
The fact that GW was away from his hotel for two weeks was furnished by the desk clerk at the hotel. Nobody knows where he went. I have all the passport information posted somewhere on the forum, but it was iffy. GW applied for a new passport, saying that his old one--which was still valid--had been destroyed in a fire. This is the one which would have had all the entry and exit stamps in it. The application for the new passport showed only "Europe and Greece" as planned destinations. The passports themselves were not among the papers.
I don't think the name on the paper had any particular significance other than as proof that GW was at work on that day.

[Dr. Doogie]

what about finding the sister of margret or was she a relative? have we gotten any info on brody from her? i think she holds some answers as well as to who brody might be

There has been some communication and we are getting new infornmation regularly. Because of the ongoing nature of these talks, we are trying to get the complete picture before we post the highlights here.

[Rhett]

I think 48 hours mysteries or Dateline either one would be the best. It is an intricate story and I think either of those shows would be a good forum for explaining the case more thoroughly. IMO

[Dr. Doogie]

I think 48 hours mysteries or Dateline either one would be the best. It is an intricate story and I think either of those shows would be a good forum for explaining the case more thoroughly. IMO

48 Hours Mystery generally reports on crimes that have been solved (or at least pretty much been solved where there is an ongoing trial). They usually do not do "open-ended" stories like our mystery.

I do not know how Dateline handles their stories.

Annasunc is using his expertise in media relations to try and find a national media outlet for Anna's story. If anyone can get us coverage, he is da' man!

[mysteriew]

48 Hours Mystery generally reports on crimes that have been solved (or at least pretty much been solved where there is an ongoing trial). They usually do not do "open-ended" stories like our mystery.

I do not know how Dateline handles their stories.

Annasunc is using his expertise in media relations to try and find a national media outlet for Anna's story. If anyone can get us coverage, he is da' man!


A long time ago Tricia (site owner) met one of the producers of Dateline and talked to him about WS. At one point he was looking for story leads. This doesn't exactly meet the criteria that he outlined then, but..... I wonder if Tricia were to get in contact with him and explained the story if maybe he might be interested?
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30199

[SherlockJr]

:HappyBday I almost forgot!!!!! I hope Annasmom had a wonderful birthday.



:HappyBday Happy Birthday Annasmom! :HappyBday

[mfmangel1]

:HappyBday




:dance:A Happy & Blessed Birthday to Annasmom!!!!:dance:



:HappyBday

[Cubby]

Annasmom,

:HappyBday HaPpY BiRtHdAy:HappyBday

:woohoo:Hope you have a wonderful day! :woohoo:

[Annasmom]

:HappyBday I almost forgot!!!!! I hope Annasmom had a wonderful birthday.



:HappyBday Happy Birthday Annasmom! :HappyBday
Thank you! And I had a wonderful birthday present: I had found to my distress a month or so ago that the only movie I had of Anna (a videotape made from film given the NCMEC which they then lost) had degraded--there was nothing on it. Annasunc gave it to the newspeople who were here when we were waiting for DNA results. They took it back to the East Coast and used their high-tech magic to restore it! It should be here Monday or Tuesday, Annasunc says.

[GraceBlue]

Happy Birthday Annasmom!!!!!! :HappyBday :HappyBday :HappyBday

You are a Gemini like my little girl, who will be 2 on the 13th. :) Geminis are strong people!

Thats wonderful about the video. I hope you enjoy it!!

[InterestedNHelping]

Anything happening with this??


"There has been some communication and we are getting new infornmation regularly. Because of the ongoing nature of these talks, we are trying to get the complete picture before we post the highlights here."

[Dr. Doogie]

Anything happening with this??

I am waiting to hear back from the Kukodas. They have been very generous in sharing information with us and I do not want to pester them. They have promised that they would pursue some additional questions with Margaret's sister the next time they saw her, so we patiently await their next update.

Meanwhile, I will soon be posting a summary of what we have so far on a separate thread.

[suzannej]

Sorry if this had already been covered but when Anna dissappeared was the staff at the hotel the georges where staying in ever questioned about a little girl visiting them ? Just wondered if perhaps Joe had covered that angle when he stayed there.

[mbroemsen]

Hope everyone had a great 4th.

I was wondering, Doogie or AnnasMom, if you had something specific that I could research / work on? It seems like that might be more productive than searching random things...

[Rhett]

Annasmom, do you know how George Waters was adopted? Was it through an orphanage and in what country? Private adoption? Thank you in advance.

[Dr. Doogie]

Annasmom, do you know how George Waters was adopted? Was it through an orphanage and in what country? Private adoption? Thank you in advance.

George Waters was not adopted. There is speculation that perhaps Brody may have been adopted, but there is scant evidence at this point to prove it.

[Annasmom]

Hope everyone had a great 4th.

I was wondering, Doogie or AnnasMom, if you had something specific that I could research / work on? It seems like that might be more productive than searching random things... Doogie has mentioned to me that when he Googles Anna's name, lots of sites and references come up that we aren't even aware of. It would be helpful for a number of reasons if you could look into whatever comes up on your search engine and make a list of them...maybe even have a look to make sure all of them are legitimate. We would want to include the MySpace and YouTube and the new web page www.searchingforanna.com. Thank you for making such a generous offer.

[mbroemsen]

Doogie has mentioned to me that when he Googles Anna's name, lots of sites and references come up that we aren't even aware of. It would be helpful for a number of reasons if you could look into whatever comes up on your search engine and make a list of them...maybe even have a look to make sure all of them are legitimate. We would want to include the MySpace and YouTube and the new web page www.searchingforanna.com (http://www.searchingforanna.com). Thank you for making such a generous offer.

That's right up my alley! I'll get started on that and keep you posted :)

[Gina_M]

Doogie has mentioned to me that when he Googles Anna's name, lots of sites and references come up that we aren't even aware of. It would be helpful for a number of reasons if you could look into whatever comes up on your search engine and make a list of them...maybe even have a look to make sure all of them are legitimate. We would want to include the MySpace and YouTube and the new web page www.searchingforanna.com (http://www.searchingforanna.com). Thank you for making such a generous offer.

Wow, the new website is beautiful!

[Gina_M]

One thing I have noticed is that Anna's page at "For the Lost" still mentions the possible Sharon Marshall connection on it. I sent them an email awhile back but they never responded.

http://www.forthelost.org/awaters.html

[Annasmom]

One thing I have noticed is that Anna's page at "For the Lost" still mentions the possible Sharon Marshall connection on it. I sent them an email awhile back but they never responded.

http://www.forthelost.org/awaters.html Thank you for pointing this out. I wrote them and they said they will take the page down and update it. This is why it would be good to know exactly what is on the Net, so that we can be sure it is accurate.

[Cubby]

Some questions.

Would you say Anna's hair was thin or thick? Do you think her hair would have remained curly into her teenage years or later or is it possible her hair would have been straightened with time - maybe with length or a shorter layered style?

Do you think it would have stayed blonde as she outgrew childhood or into her teenage years or adulthood? If not what color(s) might it have changed to? Is it possible it would have changed in the direction of a light auburn or reddish color? maybe a strawberry blonde? Or if it darkened would it darken along the dark dishwater blonde shade?

Did Anna have any particular facial expressions that were unique to her? For example, did she ever try to hide a smile or hold a smile without laughing? Any way you would describe that look?

Thanks

[Annasmom]

Some questions.

Would you say Anna's hair was thin or thick? Do you think her hair would have remained curly into her teenage years or later or is it possible her hair would have been straightened with time - maybe with length or a shorter layered style?

Do you think it would have stayed blonde as she outgrew childhood or into her teenage years or adulthood? If not what color(s) might it have changed to? Is it possible it would have changed in the direction of a light auburn or reddish color? maybe a strawberry blonde? Or if it darkened would it darken along the dark dishwater blonde shade?

Did Anna have any particular facial expressions that were unique to her? For example, did she ever try to hide a smile or hold a smile without laughing? Any way you would describe that look?

Thanks

Hi, Cubby! My best guess in general would line up with the latest age-advanced picture from the NCMEC, since the artist consulted me as he was working on it. I would say her hair would not be very thick, that it would have remained wavy (but not curly) and would have darkened somewhat into brownish blonde (but not reddish.) I don't know what to say about the facial expressions except that as a little girl she had a very mobile face, ranging from pouts to gleeful laughter. However, what you saw was what you got; she never tried to hide her feelings.

[JDB]

Annasmom I just finished the book in less the 2 days.In the book you mention John an Peggy were they younger then you and Joe?If so I think I know who they are and what they are doing.They also might have some old Oictures of the Half Moon bay harbor now called Princeton by the sea.

[Dr. Doogie]

JDB: I believe that Annasmom is still in contact with Peggy.

It really is a small world after all. There is another site that I spend time at and I noticed that one of the regular posters had not been heard from in several months. I was curious if everything was alright with him and wanted to contact him but did not have anything other than an email address. I was speaking to a different friend and she began telling me about someone who is in a social club that she is in, and lo and behold, I finally figured out that her friend was the same guy as the missing poster.

[JDB]

JDB: I believe that Annasmom is still in contact with Peggy.

It really is a small world after all. There is another site that I spend time at and I noticed that one of the regular posters had not been heard from in several months. I was curious if everything was alright with him and wanted to contact him but did not have anything other than an email address. I was speaking to a different friend and she began telling me about someone who is in a social club that she is in, and lo and behold, I finally figured out that her friend was the same guy as the missing poster.

DD Found out from Annasmom Not the same people.Seems I had my names confused. However what a book. Wife now is reading it.

[InterestedNHelping]

Annasmom, I was wondering if you could tell me if GW came from a family background that attended Lutheran church, or any other affiliation, Catholic etc?

[Annasmom]

Annasmom, I was wondering if you could tell me if GW came from a family background that attended Lutheran church, or any other affiliation, Catholic etc?
I believe the affiliation was Protestant and Christian, maybe Presbyterian. However, the medical mission in the Philippines was sponsored by the Baptist church, if I remember correctly.