Michelle Young. Murdered Pregnant Mom, NC Part 14

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[Barney Fife]

There is a rumor that MM and her husband were going to be house guests at the Youngs that Friday night before the big game also. They canceled because the little boy was sick (boy was to stay with Steve's parents in Kernersville). I have not been able to confirm 100% yet.
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Found out tonight the above rumor was indeed false...sort of

The Money's had planned to come to Raleigh for the big homecoming weekend early on in the season. They decided to cancel this plan 2 weeks prior because of the mediocre football season to date. My guess is MM would not have been comfortable , as this was close to the time JY went to Florida when they backed out. This info comes from one of her sorority sisters in Raleigh that would know the details.

[jilly]

There is a rumor that MM and her husband were going to be house guests at the Youngs that Friday night before the big game also. They canceled because the little boy was sick (boy was to stay with Steve's parents in Kernersville). I have not been able to confirm 100% yet.
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Found out tonight the above rumor was indeed false...sort of

The Money's had planned to come to Raleigh for the big homecoming weekend early on in the season. They decided to cancel this plan 2 weeks prior because of the mediocre football season to date. My guess is MM would not have been comfortable , as this was close to the time JY went to Florida when they backed out. This info comes from one of her sorority sisters in Raleigh that would know the details.

Thanks Barney. So I'm :confused: here. We read elsewhere that this couple was supposedly en route when they got the call about Michelle. They were friends of JYs. So....this couldn't be the MM & her husband.

Do you know anything about these friends of JYs?

[jilly]

Forgot to say Thank you Chico!

It was funny because I posted on the old thread not knowing about this one and when I pressed 'submit' it came up 'This thread is closed". My immediate thought was -:eek: Oh no! Who's come over from CTV!!! (Must be some paranoia going on here! :D

[raisincharlie]

So Chico started a new thread for us - thanks Chico - here's to hoping you have put a new "spin" on this and some news will break now !


Speaking of news, according to gojo

Jy printed the fax/whatever before he left home on 11/2.
Jy left home at 8 pm on 11/2.
Jy called his Mum at 9pm on 11/2 about coming by to pick up furniture. (knowing that he had out of town company arriving at his house on 11/3)
Jy called Michelle at 11pm on 11/2 to confirm he was going to Brevard and would be spending the night. (knowing that he had out of town company arriving at his house on 11/3)
Jy was 15 minutes late for his meeting wherever it was - he got lost.


Shaking head....:doh: I think he took a detour...

[scandi]

I'm off to bed, but bloody socks! Where did this come from. Probably a red herring, right?

Gee, wonder if it could be a nightgown with blood on it? Nah, it wouldn't have been left there by LE as it would have been evidence, as would socks.

What a bunch of dribble.


I hope tomorrow I will come home from work and there will have been an arrest! I'm ready Freddy! LOL

xoxoxoScandi

[5bigfish5]

Hi Guys,


What a Day!

Seems like the quieter the press gets, the more the Johngo-camp thinks they have free range on this murder.

#1) Cassidy's socks. I AIN'T buying that for a second! IF they were left in the house, I would be amazed. Let alone the idea that a 2½ year-old couldn't possibly remove them by herself. (I feel like I am in a BAD episode of the "Twilight Zone")

#2) The absence of heat upstairs? What's the point? Heat rises. They had a fireplace. Another Red Herring.

#3) This one has me in a bind. (I lost my Johnny Quest decoder ring)

I'm just asking that if Jason did it, how could Cassie wander the house without leaving bloody prints everywhere.

AND My personal favorite: (What an IDIOT!)

#4) Oh, you can't imagine how devastating! But yes, we will bankrupt ourselves if necessary. If he did it, well, we will still be bankrupt before we know that.


I hate to say it, but I'm beginning to think that the BS is really starting to out-run the facts in this case.

Nite All, I will take another couple of days off and hope for the best.:(

Bigfish

[Samiya]

Hi Guys,



I hate to say it, but I'm beginning to think that the BS is really starting to out-run the facts in this case.

Bigfish
Yep, I agree. on the above.

Sami

[Barney Fife]

Hi Guys,


What a Day!

Seems like the quieter the press gets, the more the Johngo-camp thinks they have free range on this murder.

#1) Cassidy's socks. I AIN'T buying that for a second! IF they were left in the house, I would be amazed. Let alone the idea that a 2½ year-old couldn't possibly remove them by herself. (I feel like I am in a BAD episode of the "Twilight Zone")

#2) The absence of heat upstairs? What's the point? Heat rises. They had a fireplace. Another Red Herring.

#3) This one has me in a bind. (I lost my Johnny Quest decoder ring)

I'm just asking that if Jason did it, how could Cassie wander the house without leaving bloody prints everywhere.

AND My personal favorite: (What an IDIOT!)

#4) Oh, you can't imagine how devastating! But yes, we will bankrupt ourselves if necessary. If he did it, well, we will still be bankrupt before we know that.


I hate to say it, but I'm beginning to think that the BS is really starting to out-run the facts in this case.

Nite All, I will take another couple of days off and hope for the best.:(

Bigfish
Howdy bigfish

Actually #2 is correct. According to my NON JY FAMILY contact, the upstairs heat was indeed not working. This explains why MY was wearing a "hoodie sweatshirt" to bed. It was very cold that night (<32).

The bloody socks in the bathroom is pure BS for sure. Goins is dreaming about OJ's socks in his bedroom. I guess next he will claim there is a knit cap and bloody glove found in the yard

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Howdy bigfish

Actually #2 is correct. According to my NON JY FAMILY contact, the upstairs heat was indeed not working. This explains why MY was wearing a "hoodie sweatshirt" to bed. It was very cold that night (<32).

The bloody socks in the bathroom is pure BS for sure. Goins is dreaming about OJ's socks in his bedroom. I guess next he will claim there is a knit cap and bloody glove found in the yard

:laugh:

Well, I'd say WS'ers are 100% NOT buying the spin that LE would leave a pair of very bloody socks laying in the house after their crime scene investigation. ;)

Yet...I still wonder WHAT it is that has gojo and others so focused on the footprints, or lack thereof. Would love to know their theory (other than MF). Footprints - and why LE collected JY's specifically. There must be some damning evidence and they're trying to create an alternate theory in the worst way. JMO...

[raisincharlie]

:laugh:

Well, I'd say WS'ers are 100% NOT buying the spin that LE would leave a pair of very bloody socks laying in the house after their crime scene investigation. ;)

Yet...I still wonder WHAT it is that has gojo and others so focused on the footprints, or lack thereof. Would love to know their theory (other than MF). Footprints - and why LE collected JY's specifically. There must be some damning evidence and they're trying to create an alternate theory in the worst way. JMO...
Evening DD,

On behalf of John - he freely admits that his view is totally limited and he looks to anything that will exclude JY. Actually, the socks may well have been left, given the amount of blood everywhere and Cassidy having been by her Mother - what real difference would they make to a criminalist who has the ability to see the entire picture ? My opinion, John has brought those socks up to depict LE as inept just as finding the tooth - to me that will be the only significance afforded to the socks, if true -from the defense team.

Also to the issue of the heat pump not working in the upstairs sector I can tell you the only reason I wondered about it was to see if John was actually in the house, if he had heard about a heat pump or if he was blowing smoke. Either way between Curious 1 and Pack-fan, it is reasonable to believe that the house was indeed environmentally controled by a heat pump system - thats really all I wanted to know about that, true or not.

I agree, friends and family are trying in the worst way to create alternative theories. John also mentioned at one time that a highly trained individual also entered the house, based on that conversation it seems reasonable to assume it was most likely a hired PI. To me it is the tidbits such as this, thrown out that tell the tales about what is going on. I don't think John realizes that aspect of his continued ramblings...:p

[raisincharlie]

Hi Guys,


What a Day!

Seems like the quieter the press gets, the more the Johngo-camp thinks they have free range on this murder.

#1) Cassidy's socks. I AIN'T buying that for a second! IF they were left in the house, I would be amazed. Let alone the idea that a 2½ year-old couldn't possibly remove them by herself. (I feel like I am in a BAD episode of the "Twilight Zone")

#2) The absence of heat upstairs? What's the point? Heat rises. They had a fireplace. Another Red Herring.

#3) This one has me in a bind. (I lost my Johnny Quest decoder ring)

I'm just asking that if Jason did it, how could Cassie wander the house without leaving bloody prints everywhere.

AND My personal favorite: (What an IDIOT!)

#4) Oh, you can't imagine how devastating! But yes, we will bankrupt ourselves if necessary. If he did it, well, we will still be bankrupt before we know that.


I hate to say it, but I'm beginning to think that the BS is really starting to out-run the facts in this case.

Nite All, I will take another couple of days off and hope for the best.:(

BigfishHey bigfish - howdy!

I am not defending John by any means but I think there is reason to listen to him. Not so much for his theories as he admits he sees anyone and everyone as the culprit except JY.

I think however that he drops several little tidbits, unaware of the significance due to his lack of knowledge about crime in general and the fact that he has probably never conversed with people who are more adept at understanding crime. Not saying John is right - only that he may provide information inadvertantly in his zeal to defend Jason.

I ask you - why would John tell a crime board that JY called his Mom at 9 pm on Thursday to arrange the trip to Brevard ? This may or may not be true but think about it - we have all wondered about the reason for the trip and when it was arranged - if this guy is trying to defend JY why wouldn't he say it was arranged a week before? Maybe the guy is saying what he thinks people want to hear but unlike the insolent JTF - he is at least being human about it. I should add - being human for now.

The devil is in the details...not sure I am willing to totally disregard the fellow. At least he provides details, unlike others who claim, they heard it through the grapevine. :cool: I agree, the bs is outrunning the facts that we know, but in fairness, that is not limited to only one individual. We must weigh what we digest - so far some of the little things John has said have panned out - not sure I trust the big things at all however.

[Smugshots]

So Chico started a new thread for us - thanks Chico - here's to hoping you have put a new "spin" on this and some news will break now !


Speaking of news, according to gojo

Jy printed the fax/whatever before he left home on 11/2.
Jy left home at 8 pm on 11/2.
Jy called his Mum at 9pm on 11/2 about coming by to pick up furniture. (knowing that he had out of town company arriving at his house on 11/3)
Jy called Michelle at 11pm on 11/2 to confirm he was going to Brevard and would be spending the night. (knowing that he had out of town company arriving at his house on 11/3)
Jy was 15 minutes late for his meeting wherever it was - he got lost.


Shaking head....:doh: I think he took a detour...
Hi RC,

I thought it was stated in a news article the print out was printed in the hours after the murder, or maybe it was before the body was found. That doesn't sound to me like it was printed the day before, why wouldn't they say before JY even left for the trip. Seems odd to me.

Can someone PM the latter rain link please? I tried to Google it but couldn't locate it. Is that where Gojo has moved to?

BTW, hi everyone. I've been a very long time lurker on WS. I recently registered and posted some on CTV, please don't hold it against me. I recognize some of you from there.

[Smugshots]

Snipped...do we do that here?
John also mentioned at one time that a highly trained individual also entered the house, based on that conversation it seems reasonable to assume it was most likely a hired PI. :p
I remember when Gojo mentioned the highly trained individual when discussing the tooth being found, maybe I misunderstood but I thought he was being sarcastic, meaning the actual highly trained individual didn't find the tooth...but JY's not highly trained sister did.

[raisincharlie]

Hi RC,

I thought it was stated in a news article the print out was printed in the hours after the murder, or maybe it was before the body was found. That doesn't sound to me like it was printed the day before, why wouldn't they say before JY even left for the trip. Seems odd to me.

Can someone PM the latter rain link please? I tried to Google it but couldn't locate it. Is that where Gojo has moved to?

BTW, hi everyone. I've been a very long time lurker on WS. I recently registered and posted some on CTV, please don't hold it against me. I recognize some of you from there.
Hello Smugshots,

Welcome !

Actually the search warrant reports the print out to having been printed in the hours before Michelle was found. Now what exactly that means is anyone's guess. Gojo has stated, for what ever reason, that JY printed that out before he left on his business trip. I have no idea why he would say this but if one looks at it - that time frame seems to add creedence to a premeditated murder aspect to this crime - so not sure at all why one would admit to that. So yes, very odd. Either gojo is a very naive person or he is exceptionally cunning.

Give me a few minutes and I will pm you the requested link. No problem with posting at CTV, many of us here also post there.:p

Have fun and feel free to jump and post your thoughts.

[Barney Fife]

Goins stated again today (latter Rain) that he saw blood in the master bath shower wall. He admits evidence of a clean up. Naturally, he thinks MF. Naturally, I think JY.

[raisincharlie]

I remember when Gojo mentioned the highly trained individual when discussing the tooth being found, maybe I misunderstood but I thought he was being sarcastic, meaning the actual highly trained individual didn't find the tooth...but JY's not highly trained sister did.
He is a bit freer with his words else where and not quite as combative.

[Barney Fife]

Evening DD,

On behalf of John - he freely admits that his view is totally limited and he looks to anything that will exclude JY. Actually, the socks may well have been left, given the amount of blood everywhere and Cassidy having been by her Mother - what real difference would they make to a criminologist who has the ability to see the entire picture ? My opinion, John has brought those socks up to depict LE as inept just as finding the tooth - to me that will be the only significance afforded to the socks, if true -from the defense team.

Also to the issue of the heat pump not working in the upstairs sector I can tell you the only reason I wondered about it was to see if John was actually in the house, if he had heard about a heat pump or if he was blowing smoke. Either way between Curious 1 and Pack-fan, it is reasonable to believe that the house was indeed environmentally controlled by a heat pump system - thats really all I wanted to know about that, true or not.

I agree, friends and family are trying in the worst way to create alternative theories. John also mentioned at one time that a highly trained individual also entered the house, based on that conversation it seems reasonable to assume it was most likely a hired PI. To me it is the tidbits such as this, thrown out that tell the tales about what is going on. I don't think John realizes that aspect of his continued ramblings...:p
RC, that is probably right about the socks in the bath MF obviously used to clean Cassidy after the murder. The socks were obviously not connected in any way to the murder, so why collect them ? I agree, this is just Goin's effort to cast doubt on the Crime investigators by "missing and not collecting" bloody baby socks and a tooth.

[nanandjim]

Goins stated again today (latter Rain) that he saw blood in the master bath shower wall. He admits evidence of a clean up. Naturally, he thinks MF. Naturally, I think JY.
Wow. Blood in the MB shower and evidence of a clean up. That's major, to me. I feel certain that MF has been cleared. She has a voicemail to prove why she was even at the home the next morning.

[Smugshots]

Hello Smugshots,

Welcome !

Actually the search warrant reports the print out to having been printed in the hours before Michelle was found. Now what exactly that means is anyone's guess. Gojo has stated, for what ever reason, that JY printed that out before he left on his business trip. I have no idea why he would say this but if one looks at it - that time frame seems to add creedence to a premeditated murder aspect to this crime - so not sure at all why one would admit to that. So yes, very odd. Either gojo is a very naive person or he is exceptionally cunning.

Give me a few minutes and I will pm you the requested link. No problem with posting at CTV, many of us here also post there.:p

Have fun and feel free to jump and post your thoughts.

Thanks RC! I agree with you that if the print out was done prior to him leaving for the trip it does point more to premed if he is guilty.


When I first started reading about this murder in January, I thought the CE pointed to JY, but I believed it was a spur of the moment uncontrollable anger murder, but lately premed seems even more likely. Unfortunately a lot of my opinion is based on rumors instead of facts since that what we have more of right now.



I feel for Gojo, whoever they are. Gojo seems to want people to believe them so badly, but all the information they have offered hasn’t helped me believe in JY innocence, it just supports or adds to the CE against JY in my opinion.

[raisincharlie]

RC, that is probably right about the socks in the bath MF obviously used to clean Cassidy after the murder. The socks were obviously not connected in any way to the murder, so why collect them ? I agree, this is just Goin's effort to cast doubt on the Crime investigators by "missing and not collecting" bloody baby socks and a tooth.
I have little doubt that if JY is brought to trial for this, there will be every effort made to discredit LE on all levels, as well as the press. I also think in John's misguided attempts to prove JY innocent he fails to see both sides of the coin when he posts certain information. The thing about the print out was obviously stated in an effort to explain why JY had to get Meredith to the house - the other side being he planned to murder his wife at least before he left on his trip. He prints it out but fails to remember it is laying on the printer for his wife to see - Right - NOT.

[Barney Fife]

Thanks RC! I agree with you that if the print out was done prior to him leaving for the trip it does point more to premed if he is guilty.


When I first started reading about this murder in January, I thought the CE pointed to JY, but I believed it was a spur of the moment uncontrollable anger murder, but lately premed seems even more likely. Unfortunately a lot of my opinion is based on rumors instead of facts since that what we have more of right now.



I feel for Gojo, whoever they are. Gojo seems to want people to believe them so badly, but all the information they have offered hasn’t helped me believe in JY innocence, it just supports or adds to the CE against JY in my opinion.

I always felt it was a printout from a computer...NOT a FAX sent to the computer the morning after the murder. MY deep throat told me JY said he printed the info on the Coach purse Thursday evening before he left. He said MY walked into the upstairs office and JY immediately took it out and turned it over so she could not see it. He said he remembered it later that night on his way to Hillsville and it was too late to do anything about it....except....call mF the next day to retrieve it.

Like JTF said over and over again, this was NOT a FAX.

[raisincharlie]

Thanks RC! I agree with you that if the print out was done prior to him leaving for the trip it does point more to premed if he is guilty.


When I first started reading about this murder in January, I thought the CE pointed to JY, but I believed it was a spur of the moment uncontrollable anger murder, but lately premed seems even more likely. Unfortunately a lot of my opinion is based on rumors instead of facts since that what we have more of right now.



I feel for Gojo, whoever they are. Gojo seems to want people to believe them so badly, but all the information they have offered hasn’t helped me believe in JY innocence, it just supports or adds to the CE against JY in my opinion.
I feel sorry for him as well but sometimes life presents you with unbelievable choices - it remains our perrogative to make the correct one, at that time, and under those circumstances.

We have few facts for sure, but you always have your power to reason.

[raisincharlie]

I always felt it was a printout from a computer...NOT a FAX sent to the computer the morning after the murder. MY deep throat told me JY said he printed the info on the Coach purse Thursday evening before he left. He said MY walked into the upstairs office and JY immediately took it out and turned it over so she could not see it. He said he remembered it later that night on his way to Hillsville and it was too late to do anything about it....except....call mF the next day to retrieve it.

Like JTF said over and over again, this was NOT a FAX.
If he almost got caught by Michelle - seems like all the more reason to pick it up immediately after Michelle left and hide it away. At least in my mind. What would you have done ?

[nanandjim]

I always felt it was a printout from a computer...NOT a FAX sent to the computer the morning after the murder. MY deep throat told me JY said he printed the info on the Coach purse Thursday evening before he left. He said MY walked into the upstairs office and JY immediately took it out and turned it over so she could not see it. He said he remembered it later that night on his way to Hillsville and it was too late to do anything about it....except....call mF the next day to retrieve it.

Like JTF said over and over again, this was NOT a FAX.
You'd have to be a moron to believe JY's scenario.

[Barney Fife]

If he almost got caught by Michelle - seems like all the more reason to pick it up immediately after Michelle left and hide it away. At least in my mind. What would you have done ?

My deep throat said this is what JY said at the funeral. He said he turned it over and forgot it until he was 1/2 way to Hillsville. He answered his friends questions about why get MF over there. No, I do not believe MY walked in the room.

[nanandjim]

My deep throat said this is what JY said at the funeral. He said he turned it over and forgot it until he was 1/2 way to Hillsville. He answered his friends questions about why get MF over there. No, I do not believe MY walked in the room.
Plus, if she did walk into the room, she would have seen JY rapidly turn over a printout. She naturally would ask, "What is that?" He would have coyly said, "None of your business. It is a surprise for you." Then, he would have taken it with him.

He wants you to believe that she walked into the room. He quickly turned over the paper, but she didn't see him doing anything out of the ordinary. He forgot it and then made a call the next day. Heck, isn't this about 12 hours too late?

If MY was going to see the printout, chances are really good that she already spoiled her surprise, don't you think?

I don't think that I have "Idiot" stamped on my forehead. After I look in the mirror, I'll let you know for sure, though. ;)

ETA: As Judge Judy would say, "If it doesn't make sense, it usually isn't true."

[Barney Fife]

This is the EXACT context of my info on this 'print out". Hopefully this will shed more light for you
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The 'fax' really doesn't make much sense. Supposedly he printed that the night before while upstairs alone and was surprised by Michelle and just turned it over, left the house and remembered it that night, but didn't have a way to retrieve. This is all from Jay and through others, so no definite confirmations. Jay was definitely an idiot when it came to gifts or anything romantic. Hell, he was giving the present 3 weeks late. I know several people (not proud of this) that have cheated on their wives, but that doesn't make them capable of murder....unless they become attached and fall in love which is a possibility. I don't think he was physically capable of that kind of brutality, but you never know. They weren't exactly the model couple.

[raisincharlie]

My deep throat said this is what JY said at the funeral. He said he turned it over and forgot it until he was 1/2 way to Hillsville. He answered his friends questions about why get MF over there. No, I do not believe MY walked in the room.
Barney,

I have to say that what bugs me the most is JY telling this stuff to his friends during Michelle's funeral. That just blows me away and truly, truly, makes me think this guy was in heavy CYA mode, even during his wife's funeral. That is just sick to me.

Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt it happened, but doesn't that strike you as a very strange thing for people to even ask, let alone a spouse to be worrying about at a funeral ? To me this just absolutely screams consciousness of guilt. I can see these conversations before or after but definitely not during and I certainly can't figure why he couldn't be bothered to tell LE this "innocent" information. The guy is a loon IMO.

[Barney Fife]

Barney,

I have to say that what bugs me the most is JY telling this stuff to his friends during Michelle's funeral. That just blows me away and truly, truly, makes me think this guy was in heavy CYA mode, even during his wife's funeral. That is just sick to me.

Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt it happened, but doesn't that strike you as a very strange thing for people to even ask, let alone a spouse to be worrying about at a funeral ? To me this just absolutely screams consciousness of guilt. I can see these conversations before or after but definitely not during and I certainly can't figure why he couldn't be bothered to tell LE this "innocent" information. The guy is a loon IMO.RC, when I said 'funeral" I meant the time between the murder and the funeral on Thursday (4-5 days). See the 'snip" of e-mail above to bring in better.

[raisincharlie]

RC, when I said 'funeral" I meant the time between the murder and the funeral on Thursday (4-5 days). She the 'snip" of e-mail above to bring in better.
Got ya ! As I recall however, Fussell did admit it was during the funeral that JY told him about the trip to VA. Just bugs me is all - can't talk to LE but can blab like a fish monger to friends. I understand about the timing though.

[pack_fan]

The whole story with the printout makes no sense to me. Agreed rc that I would have grabbed it as soon as she left the room to avoid that situation again. Then, on top of that, he remembered half way to hillsville but decided to wait until the next morning to call Meredith :waitasec: ?????


Hmmm, interesting....

[raisincharlie]

The whole story with the printout makes no sense to me. Agreed rc that I would have grabbed it as soon as she left the room to avoid that situation again. Then, on top of that, he remembered half way to hillsville but decided to wait until the next morning to call Meredith :waitasec: ?????


Hmmm, interesting....
I wonder if he remembered it on the first trip to Hillsville, or the second.

:slap: :slap: :slap:

[pack_fan]

You know, for the longest time I was going with the thought that something happened that just sent JY into a rage but the longer that gojo talks, the more I think it was planned.

As a note to fellow websleuthers, please advise Mr. Goins not to speak on my behalf if my SO winds up murdered.....

[pack_fan]

I wonder if he remembered it on the first trip to Hillsville, or the second.

:slap: :slap: :slap:

Oh my goodness :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: !!!!!

You are killing me today rc. Brb, got to go get a towel to wipe the tea off my computer screen that I conveniently spit out while LMAO.

[raisincharlie]

:laugh:


Oh my goodness :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: !!!!!

You are killing me today rc. Brb, got to go get a towel to wipe the tea off my computer screen that I conveniently spit out while LMAO.

Sorry about the puter !

:p ROFLMAO

[raisincharlie]

This is the EXACT context of my info on this 'print out". Hopefully this will shed more light for you
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The 'fax' really doesn't make much sense. Supposedly he printed that the night before while upstairs alone and was surprised by Michelle and just turned it over, left the house and remembered it that night, but didn't have a way to retrieve. This is all from Jay and through others, so no definite confirmations. Jay was definitely an idiot when it came to gifts or anything romantic. Hell, he was giving the present 3 weeks late. I know several people (not proud of this) that have cheated on their wives, but that doesn't make them capable of murder....unless they become attached and fall in love which is a possibility. I don't think he was physically capable of that kind of brutality, but you never know. They weren't exactly the model couple.


Thanks for this Barney - it does agree with what Goins has posted in his defense of JY. Part of the reason I think Johngo's posts hold snipets of truth with respect to details - not necessarily to overall agenda however.

pack_fan - I agree, hope if I ever need someone to speak for me it is not someone such as Mr. Goins - ouch !

[5bigfish5]

RC, that is probably right about the socks in the bath MF obviously used to clean Cassidy after the murder. The socks were obviously not connected in any way to the murder, so why collect them ? I agree, this is just Goin's effort to cast doubt on the Crime investigators by "missing and not collecting" bloody baby socks and a tooth.
Hi Barney,

Wouldn't the crime lab have wanted the bloody socks to check to see if there were other evidence stuck to them, like say, hairs?

I don't know, maybe I watch too much CSI. (J/K no such thing, waited until almost 4AM to see last night's episode.)

BigFish

[nanandjim]

Hi Barney,

Wouldn't the crime lab have wanted the bloody socks to check to see if there were other evidence stuck to them, like say, hairs?...
Yep, that's what I was thinking. I do not believe that bloody socks were left at the house. It just seems like Evidence Collecting 101. ;)

[chicoliving]

Hi Barney,

Wouldn't the crime lab have wanted the bloody socks to check to see if there were other evidence stuck to them, like say, hairs?

I don't know, maybe I watch too much CSI. (J/K no such thing, waited until almost 4AM to see last night's episode.)

BigFishWhats up with these socks??
Seems like those socks woulda been tested to see who's blood is on them or if there was a mixture of two blood sources. At this point I don't know what is real and what is taken from the dark side and discussed as fact or just fiction. Does anyone know for sure if those socks were taken by LE?? I'm just soooo confused!!

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Hi Barney,

Wouldn't the crime lab have wanted the bloody socks to check to see if there were other evidence stuck to them, like say, hairs?

I don't know, maybe I watch too much CSI. (J/K no such thing, waited until almost 4AM to see last night's episode.)

BigFish

Thank you!!!
That's exactly why I would think they WOULD want those socks - could be critical items stuck to the bottom, etc. She obviously was walking in the blood by her mother. Something important could easily have stuck to the wet sock. LE would be all over that - they would never dismiss those socks, IMO....

[5bigfish5]

I apologize for the stupid looking grinning emoticon at the top of my last post.

I have no idea how he got there, he was supposed to be at the bottom, where I was talking about CSI.

Looks rude where he landed.

Sorry,

BigFish.

[Barney Fife]

Thank you!!!
That's exactly why I would think they WOULD want those socks - could be critical items stuck to the bottom, etc. She obviously was walking in the blood by her mother. Something important could easily have stuck to the wet sock. LE would be all over that - they would never dismiss those socks, IMO....

Goins has told some truths and some lies...hard to know which unless we get the same info elsewhere. Goins went in great detail about her socks left in the bath. not sure why he would make that one up, as it points NOWHERE and does not help JY at all.

[raisincharlie]

Whats up with these socks??
Seems like those socks woulda been tested to see who's blood is on them or if there was a mixture of two blood sources. At this point I don't know what is real and what is taken from the dark side and discussed as fact or just fiction. Does anyone know for sure if those socks were taken by LE?? I'm just soooo confused!!Chico,

There is a fellow who is a longtime family friend to the Young's - aka gojo or Johngo - he claims that when he went into the Birchleaf residence with the Young family after the house was released by LE that Cassidy's bloody socks were left in her bathroom. He also claims that Cassidy must have been carried there as there were no footprints in the house except for in Cassidy's bathroom. He does admit that carpeting was cut out of the master bedroom so not sure if there were footprints there or not.

Me thinks this is another of those red herrings - seems to me the Young's wanted it known they found a tooth - I suspect had there been socks left behind the Young's would have made that known as well in their effort to make LE look inept.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Goins has told some truths and some lies...hard to know which unless we get the same info elsewhere. Goins went in great detail about her socks left in the bath. not sure why he would make that one up, as it points NOWHERE and does not help JY at all.

Oh Barney, I agree....totally.
I'm trying to figure out what's in his brain or why this is so important to him (or them). There's a reason, I just can't figure it out based upon our limited into. I dooooo appreciate his postings, as it does give us some snippets or small details from at least one person who has supposedly been in the house. Do I take it all for fact? Absolutely not, but am anxious to see once more comes out, just how true and accurate his postings were...

I do feel for him, as I don't believe he feels JY could have done this. Yet, if I had a family member in JY's situation, I would hope even family friends wouldn't be posting on a MB. Ya never know what they can say or do that would be harmful or discovered in the future, in case of trial.

JMO + MOO :blushing:

[chicoliving]

Ok I see now. So no pic of these socks left in the bathroom then? lol I think LE knows what they're doing.

[pack_fan]

How much time would a criminal defense attorney spend on a case if the client had not been charged? Anyone?

[nanandjim]

...There is a fellow who is a longtime family friend to the Young's - aka gojo or Johngo - he claims that when he went into the Birchleaf residence with the Young family after the house was released by LE that Cassidy's bloody socks were left in her bathroom...
If this really happened, I hope to heck they didn't touch the socks and called the police right away. Lord knows, it could have evidence on them from the real killer.

[raisincharlie]

Ok I see now. So no pic of these socks left in the bathroom then? lol I think LE knows what they're doing.
Outside of gojo johngo, no reference to socks in the sws released. I think it is part of his game, a little truth, a lot of bull. His main goal with that conversation was that MF arrived very early and took care of Cassidy even though Michelle was dead in the bedroom. Meredith was there for hours before she decided to call 911 about her sister.

This is an improvement for gojo johngo - at first MF was the murderer. Now she was just indecisive about calling 911. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[DEPUTYDAWG]

If this really happened, I hope to heck they didn't touch the socks and called the police right away. Lord knows, it could have evidence on them from the real killer.

So very true ;)

[chicoliving]

How much time would a criminal defense attorney spend on a case if the client had not been charged? Anyone?
Taking a guess here but I'd say not much. No charges, no discovery. More of a liason type between LE and their client. Might spend some time firming up an alibi but it doesn't seem they would have access to much LE information. What's public is fair game but I don't think LE shares its notes until at the least charges are filed and I'm not even sure if they do then. I know discovery is an issue when a trial date's been set...or a preliminary hearing. Of course all states are a bit different with the process. Of course if they are actively preparing a defense for what seems to be inevitable charges they'd be spending some time on it. Private investigators, experts and such.

[raisincharlie]

How much time would a criminal defense attorney spend on a case if the client had not been charged? Anyone?
I don't know the answer but suspect the amount of time would be based on several factors. One thing I noticed about the warrants - copies went to Roger Smith - obviously Mr. Smith has much more of an idea where LE is headed - I suspect his time is adjusted accordingly. I would also think a parallel investigation by the defense is ongoing - again time adjusted to circumstance.

Hows that for no answer to your question ? :D

[nanandjim]

Taking a guess here but I'd say not much. No charges, no discovery. More of a liason type between LE and their client. Might spend some time firming up an alibi but it doesn't seem they would have access to much LE information. What's public is fair game but I don't think LE shares its notes until at the least charges are filed and I'm not even sure if they do then. I know discovery is an issue when a trial date's been set...or a preliminary hearing. Of course all states are a bit different with the process. Of course if they are actively preparing a defense for what seems to be inevitable charges they'd be spending some time on it. Private investigators, experts and such.
This lawyer has probably informed police that all questions are to go through his office. He also probably talked to JY and told him to keep his mouth shut and to inform him if the cops tried to speak with him. He may have set up a private LDT to see if JY could pass it. If he did, I will bet that he failed it miserably.

IMO, the lawyer is, at this point, charging by the hour. If and when Jason is arrested and charged with murder, he could retain this attorney or another. At time, the retained attorney will probably ask for a hefty retainer, if he doesn't ask for his entire fee up front.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

I don't know the answer but suspect the amount of time would be based on several factors. One thing I noticed about the warrants - copies went to Roger Smith - obviously Mr. Smith has much more of an idea where LE is headed - I suspect his time is adjusted accordingly. I would also think a parallel investigation by the defense is ongoing - again time adjusted to circumstance.

Hows that for no answer to your question ? :D

I think your "no answer" is spot on! :dance:

[pack_fan]

Taking a guess here but I'd say not much. No charges, no discovery. More of a liason type between LE and their client. Might spend some time firming up an alibi but it doesn't seem they would have access to much LE information. What's public is fair game but I don't think LE shares its notes until at the least charges are filed and I'm not even sure if they do then. I know discovery is an issue when a trial date's been set...or a preliminary hearing. Of course all states are a bit different with the process. Of course if they are actively preparing a defense for what seems to be inevitable charges they'd be spending some time on it. Private investigators, experts and such.

Just curious. If Mr. Goins is who he says, and I have no reason to doubt, he is a close family friend and has been inside the home. Just wondering if he is so close that possibly some of the information, especially theories could have come from either a pi or defense attorney. Might be seeing a preview of trial to come.

[scandi]

Thanks RC! I agree with you that if the print out was done prior to him leaving for the trip it does point more to premed if he is guilty.


When I first started reading about this murder in January, I thought the CE pointed to JY, but I believed it was a spur of the moment uncontrollable anger murder, but lately premed seems even more likely. Unfortunately a lot of my opinion is based on rumors instead of facts since that what we have more of right now.



I feel for Gojo, whoever they are. Gojo seems to want people to believe them so badly, but all the information they have offered hasn’t helped me believe in JY innocence, it just supports or adds to the CE against JY in my opinion.

Hi Smugshots, I read a bit at that new site last night, and even though everyone hates JohnGo there {Goins}, I was a bit touched by what he wrote. Someone had asked him about the cost of defending JY if and when he is arrested and brought to justice.

He replied that yes, his family would stick by him even if it included going into bankrupsy. And then he said he himself {I'm sure that includes his wife, can't remember} might go into bankrupsy before he even finds out if JY is guilty of the crime.

He must have goodness in him even though he has thrown out some red herrings and involved the media with CTV which I don't think he should have done. It will be a long and hard road to travel for all of them.

Scandi

[Samiya]

I remember when Gojo mentioned the highly trained individual when discussing the tooth being found, maybe I misunderstood but I thought he was being sarcastic, meaning the actual highly trained individual didn't find the tooth...but JY's not highly trained sister did.
It's funny you brought that up as I have been wondering if the 'highly trained individual' was a dentist and that is why the tooth/shard was recognised for what it was.

Just a thought

Sami

[Smugshots]

Goins has told some truths and some lies...hard to know which unless we get the same info elsewhere. Goins went in great detail about her socks left in the bath. not sure why he would make that one up, as it points NOWHERE and does not help JY at all.
Hi Barney,

I haven't read one single thing that Goins has said that has helped JY at all. I'm beginning to wonder if he really thinks JY is innocent! Can you recall anything that's he's said that has actually helped JY, maybe I missed it.

[chicoliving]

Just curious. If Mr. Goins is who he says, and I have no reason to doubt, he is a close family friend and has been inside the home. Just wondering if he is so close that possibly some of the information, especially theories could have come from either a pi or defense attorney. Might be seeing a preview of trial to come.
Oh yeah! Gotta see what will float and what won't. Attack the investigation, attack the interpretation of the results of the investigation....IOW attack attack attack. It's what the defense is supposed to do and I'm sure there are minions cruising the boards as in past cases.

[Smugshots]

Hi Smugshots, I read a bit at that new site last night, and even though everyone hates JohnGo there {Goins}, I was a bit touched by what he wrote. Someone had asked him about the cost of defending JY if and when he is arrested and brought to justice.

He replied that yes, his family would stick by him even if it included going into bankrupsy. And then he said he himself {I'm sure that includes his wife, can't remember} might go into bankrupsy before he even finds out if JY is guilty of the crime.

He must have goodness in him even though he has thrown out some red herrings and involved the media with CTV which I don't think he should have done. It will be a long and hard road to travel for all of them.

Scandi
Hi Scandi,

I just started reading at that site today, and I did read that post. I don't hate JohnGo. I just don't understand why he shares what he does, it just ends up supporting the CE that I think supports the JY theory. I wish for his sake, and everyone else's he actually had some shred of evidence that would prove without a doubt it wasn't JY. I just don't think he has it or he would be sharing it.

This is the first case I've ever followed this closely, or posted on. It's just touched me like no other. I think I'm going crazy, now I'm trying to keep up with 3 message boards now, please tell me there aren't anymore.

[Barney Fife]

How much time would a criminal defense attorney spend on a case if the client had not been charged? Anyone?
You know Mr Smith KNOWS a lot of what LE has and that JY will be charged at some point in the near future.It is in JY's best interest to begin mounting his defense now so as to be ready to come out firing with both barrels when the time comes. Of course, that plan of action takes $$$.

[Barney Fife]

Just curious. If Mr. Goins is who he says, and I have no reason to doubt, he is a close family friend and has been inside the home. Just wondering if he is so close that possibly some of the information, especially theories could have come from either a pi or defense attorney. Might be seeing a preview of trial to come.I think he and JTF played CSI at the house and are floating the blood in the bath, but nowhere else , the tooth and the 'socks' because they have NOTHING else to float...nothing. No, I do not think Goins is privy to any info Smith and JY have discussed.

[Barney Fife]

Hi Barney,

I haven't read one single thing that Goins has said that has helped JY at all. I'm beginning to wonder if he really thinks JY is innocent! Can you recall anything that's he's said that has actually helped JY, maybe I missed it.
Smoke and mirrors...not worth anything.

There is NOTHING he said that made me stop and wonder , maybe JY may be innocent after all.

[Niner]

sorry to butt in here - but trying to catch up here... does anyone know WHERE is Part 4???? I can't find it... :( TIA!

[Kadie]

Smoke and mirrors...not worth anything.

There is NOTHING he said that made me stop and wonder , maybe JY may be innocent after all.
Gotta agree with you there Barney! Trying to catch up here as I have been following the Tara Lynn Grant story.

RC.....can you check you PM's please? :) Thanks!

[Scout]

If Jason lied to his friend about when that document was printed out -- and investigators will be able to determine when that was done -- that could be a very strong piece of circumstantial evidence. If it was printed when he was supposed to have been in Hillsville, he's toast.

[chicoliving]

sorry to butt in here - but trying to catch up here... does anyone know WHERE is Part 4???? I can't find it... :( TIA!
Here (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44877) only 10 more to go to catch up! :cool: :p

[jilly]

The whole story with the printout makes no sense to me. Agreed rc that I would have grabbed it as soon as she left the room to avoid that situation again. Then, on top of that, he remembered half way to hillsville but decided to wait until the next morning to call Meredith :waitasec: ?????


Hmmm, interesting....

Exactly! He could easily have called her as soon as he thought about it. He apparently left a message in the morning for her so he could have done that the nite before. He could have told her to call him back right away to confirm.

I think he printed that thing out after he murdered Michelle.

[Barney Fife]

Exactly! He could easily have called her as soon as he thought about it. He apparently left a message in the morning for her so he could have done that the nite before. He could have told her to call him back right away to confirm.

I think he printed that thing out after he murdered Michelle.
The good news is LE knows the EXACT TIME it was printed (thank god for computer print cache)

[Mama-cita]

The good news is LE knows the EXACT TIME it was printed (thank god for computer print cache)
Barney, it is great to see you posting over here more regularly. I sometimes read, but am not registered on "THE DARK SIDE" and it just gets to be too much to keep up with.

In your opinion, will there be an arrest any time in the near future? Every day I come here and keep my fingers cross while the pages are loading, hoping for the day when there will be an ARREST thread!

[Barney Fife]

Barney, it is great to see you posting over here more regularly. I sometimes read, but am not registered on "THE DARK SIDE" and it just gets to be too much to keep up with.

In your opinion, will there be an arrest any time in the near future? Every day I come here and keep my fingers cross while the pages are loading, hoping for the day when there will be an ARREST thread!
I wish I knew more inside LE info to know there would be an arrest soon. I can only pray at this point. I will say this case is NOT COLD (I know that for a fact)

[jilly]

The good news is LE knows the EXACT TIME it was printed (thank god for computer print cache)

Yes - let's hope this is one mistake of many that he made.

Thinking about the 7:30am call to Meredith as well. Michelle would have been home at that time and how would he know she hadn't seen it that Thursday nite or during the morning? And...who in the heck calls someone (Meredith)at that time in the morning anyways unless you know the person is up or if it's a real emergency?

I agree with Nan - he could have called Michelle, said there was something on his desk and please don't look at it because it's a surprise.

[jilly]

I wish I knew more inside LE info to know there would be an arrest soon. I can only pray at this point. I will say this case is NOT COLD (I know that for a fact)

Do you know how many investigators are assigned to this case?

[pack_fan]

You know Mr Smith KNOWS a lot of what LE has and that JY will be charged at some point in the near future.It is in JY's best interest to begin mounting his defense now so as to be ready to come out firing with both barrels when the time comes. Of course, that plan of action takes $$$.
I would guess that Mr. Smith has had a pi at the house (the highly trained individual) and they have seen a piece of the crime scene. They were not privy to the same information that LE has since evidence was removed but got a glimpse of the brutality of the crime. I'm not convinced that Mr. Smith knows a lot more than we do at least as far as LE is concearned. Obviously he has talked to JY and knows the timeline, meeting places, travel plans, etc. He has gotten copies of the search warrants and they probably threw him a few bones to try to get JY to cooperate but thats about it imo. Would it not be foolish for LE to share blood results, dna, other forensic evidence, copies of the counselors testimony, and all the other info that they have. IMO, LE is going to give them only what is required and not show their cards too soon.

[jilly]

MO? LE is not sharing anything unless they have to.

So - how does it work with a defense PI. At this point would he be contacting Meredith, GA friend, MM at this point? Do you think LE has instructed these people not to talk to anyone?

[raisincharlie]

Yes - let's hope this is one mistake of many that he made.

<snip>

I agree with Nan - he could have called Michelle, said there was something on his desk and please don't look at it because it's a surprise.


If I said that to my wife all I would hear would be the receiver hitting the floor...:p

[raisincharlie]

MO? LE is not sharing anything unless they have to.

So - how does it work with a defense PI. At this point would he be contacting Meredith, GA friend, MM at this point? Do you think LE has instructed these people not to talk to anyone?
I agree Jilly, LE is sharing nothing not required by law. The search warrants they have to forward - at least the ones pertaining to JY's property. I suspect that people interviewed by LE have been told to expect a defense interview - the choice of if they talk to that person is theirs alone. LE or the DA can advise but that's it.

The interesting thing about NC, and I will have to search a bit further to find this out for sure - there is no reciprocal discovery requirement. In other words, if JY is charged, the defense does not have to share anything developed during their investigation except for information relating to alibi witnesses. I'm still searching the codes for a better understanding of this.

RC

[pack_fan]

I agree Jilly, LE is sharing nothing not required by law. The search warrants they have to forward - at least the ones pertaining to JY's property. I suspect that people interviewed by LE have been told to expect a defense interview - the choice of if they talk to that person is theirs alone. LE or the DA can advise but that's it.

The interesting thing about NC, and I will have to search a bit further to find this out for sure - there is no reciprocal discovery requirement. In other words, if JY is charged, the defense does not have to share anything developed during their investigation except for information relating to alibi witnesses. I'm still searching the codes for a better understanding of this.

RC

Wasn't really clear with my statement last night although I think you know what I meant. He has not been charged with anything so they don't have to tell him a thing other than the search warrants that you mentioned charlie...

[close_enough]

glad i popped in....didn't know a 7:30 am call had been verified!!!...i know we'd heard that he made the call early in the morning, so that would fit....i always look here to see if there's a new thread titled "arrest has been made"....hoping i'll see it soon!!

[jilly]

If I said that to my wife all I would hear would be the receiver hitting the floor...:p

All the more reason for her to go and look hey? :crazy:

[jilly]

I agree Jilly, LE is sharing nothing not required by law. The search warrants they have to forward - at least the ones pertaining to JY's property. I suspect that people interviewed by LE have been told to expect a defense interview - the choice of if they talk to that person is theirs alone. LE or the DA can advise but that's it.

The interesting thing about NC, and I will have to search a bit further to find this out for sure - there is no reciprocal discovery requirement. In other words, if JY is charged, the defense does not have to share anything developed during their investigation except for information relating to alibi witnesses. I'm still searching the codes for a better understanding of this.

RC

Thinking about it more....I definitely think the Fishers' would slam the door in the face of a defense PI because they have been so quiet up to this point. I guess the PI would be doing background checks though.

I'm just not really sold yet on whether the defense has hired a PI or not. As far as they are concerned imo JY was checked into that hotel and he was sleeping. No reason yet to look for "the real killer".

I really don't know. I don't think LE has to give the results of all the lab tests until he's charged and then the prosecution would do that. So they're in the dark as much as us.

I can't see why a PI would be involved right now except to maybe do a few background checks and interview the hotel staff & guests, to try and shore up his alibi between midnight & 6am. I'm sure LE has done this too.

[jilly]

glad i popped in....didn't know a 7:30 am call had been verified!!!...i know we'd heard that he made the call early in the morning, so that would fit....i always look here to see if there's a new thread titled "arrest has been made"....hoping i'll see it soon!!

I keep looking for that thread every day too!! I think the 7:30am call is rumor although I think I'm operating now on 'information overload' right now. At least with the Peterson case, the period between the murder and arrest, there was lots going on. Here.....nothing except for some rumors.

[Niner]

Outside of gojo johngo, no reference to socks in the sws released. I think it is part of his game, a little truth, a lot of bull. His main goal with that conversation was that MF arrived very early and took care of Cassidy even though Michelle was dead in the bedroom. Meredith was there for hours before she decided to call 911 about her sister.

This is an improvement for gojo johngo - at first MF was the murderer. Now she was just indecisive about calling 911. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

WHAT??? :eek: I'm just trying to catch up here. I've skipped from reading #3 thread to this one #14 - so have missed quite a few items in between here, but IS this true??

and thanks Charlie for posting that timeline at the beginning of this thread! I did not know this! :)

okay.... back to lurk and read mode...

[Barney Fife]

I keep looking for that thread every day too!! I think the 7:30am call is rumor although I think I'm operating now on 'information overload' right now. At least with the Peterson case, the period between the murder and arrest, there was lots going on. Here.....nothing except for some rumors.


This came from "outside the box " on CTV.

He said it came from his 'source".

[Niner]

Hi Smugshots, I read a bit at that new site last night, and even though everyone hates JohnGo there {Goins}, I was a bit touched by what he wrote. Someone had asked him about the cost of defending JY if and when he is arrested and brought to justice.

He replied that yes, his family would stick by him even if it included going into bankrupsy. And then he said he himself {I'm sure that includes his wife, can't remember} might go into bankrupsy before he even finds out if JY is guilty of the crime.

He must have goodness in him even though he has thrown out some red herrings and involved the media with CTV which I don't think he should have done. It will be a long and hard road to travel for all of them.

Scandi

hey scandi! :) 'where' would this 'new site' be? could you post a link? TIA!

[Niner]

Here (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44877) only 10 more to go to catch up! :cool: :p

Thanks chico! I know... :slap: and I JUST had to peek forward on what's happening in this case... 10 threads to go - with HOW MANY posts on each??!! :eek: LOL!

Thanks again for the link! Will be printing that out on Monday.

And from just all I've been reading so far - Jason DOES look a bit guilty here... But I sure hope not...

[Niner]

I keep looking for that thread every day too!! I think the 7:30am call is rumor although I think I'm operating now on 'information overload' right now. At least with the Peterson case, the period between the murder and arrest, there was lots going on. Here.....nothing except for some rumors.


This came from "outside the box " on CTV.

He said it came from his 'source".

so this 7:30am phone call IS a rumor, and Meredith did NOT get there earlier than stated?? Do I have that right??

Also is there is 'timeline' thread yet? sorry didn't look at the stickies, I guess I should, eh? :innocent:

[scandi]

Hi Niner, Here's the link: http://shell0724.proboards67.com/index.cgi

I think you can find a way to register through that link. xoxoxo Scandi

[jilly]

This came from "outside the box " on CTV.

He said it came from his 'source".

Thank you Barney. I don't know how you keep up with it all.

[jilly]

so this 7:30am phone call IS a rumor, and Meredith did NOT get there earlier than stated?? Do I have that right??

Also is there is 'timeline' thread yet? sorry didn't look at the stickies, I guess I should, eh? :innocent:

Meredith didn't get there until 1:30pm. I think that's from LE. The 7:30am phone call is from an 'insider' as Barney states. This phone call was when JY left a message for her to go to the house.

I'm sure there's a timeline here somewhere but can't say for sure.

[Samiya]

For those registered at Latter Rain, log in, go to the Michelle Young forum and search for FBI.

Insider my a$$.

Sami

[Barney Fife]

?????

[Whimsigal]

For those registered at Latter Rain, log in, go to the Michelle Young forum and search for FBI.

Insider my a$$.

Sami
Sami, I did that and nothing came up. It said there were no matches. Can you give us more info on the FBI comment?

Thanks!

[raisincharlie]

For those registered at Latter Rain, log in, go to the Michelle Young forum and search for FBI.

Insider my a$$.

Sami
Sami,

I have a question for you - not sure how to word it properly but here goes:

Is it possible to determine from the dialation of the pupils of a deceased person the conditions surrounding the death ? What I am getting at is if the person were awake and in a lit room - the pupils would be relatively small having adjusted to the light. If a person was attacked in the dark, theoretically the pupils should be near fully dialated. Or does death actually effect the pupils to the point that no determination could be made?

Does that make any sense ? See what I am getting at ? Thanks Sami - curious George moment.:crazy:

[scandi]

glad i popped in....didn't know a 7:30 am call had been verified!!!...i know we'd heard that he made the call early in the morning, so that would fit....i always look here to see if there's a new thread titled "arrest has been made"....hoping i'll see it soon!!

It's going to be
BOLD I hope, like:

HUSBAND ARRESTED


:D Oh Yea! Should be about ready to bring it on, don't 'cha think?

[scandi]

Hi Charlie, I'm not Sami, but I do know most people die with their eyes open, and the eye is the first thing that goes into rigor mortis and the last thing to come out of rigor mortis.

Bet you already knew that! LOL

[raisincharlie]

Hi Charlie, I'm not Sami, but I do know most people die with their eyes open, and the eye is the first thing that goes into rigor mortis and the last thing to come out of rigor mortis.

Bet you already knew that! LOL
I had heard most people die with their eyes open, or that they open, did not know about the rigor but very curious about pupil dialation. Hoping Sami can chime in on that.

Doing okay Scandi ?;)

[scandi]

For those registered at Latter Rain, log in, go to the Michelle Young forum and search for FBI.

Insider my a$$.

Sami

I must be a dumb nut tonight. I don't get it either. He says to address him as Mr W*lt*n and then the other poster ;) says Try B*v*rly.

Is that in B*v*rly W*lt*n, an FBI agent?

[Smugshots]

I must be a dumb nut tonight. I don't get it either. He says to address him as Mr W*lt*n and then the other poster ;) says Try B*v*rly.

Is that in B*v*rly W*lt*n, an FBI agent?
Hi Scandi,

I'm a dumb nut too, I don't get it.

[raisincharlie]

I must be a dumb nut tonight. I don't get it either. He says to address him as Mr W*lt*n and then the other poster ;) says Try B*v*rly.

Is that in B*v*rly W*lt*n, an FBI agent?
Perhaps the reference is to Outside the Box.

[Mama-cita]

Sami,

I have a question for you - not sure how to word it properly but here goes:

Is it possible to determine from the dialation of the pupils of a deceased person the conditions surrounding the death ? What I am getting at is if the person were awake and in a lit room - the pupils would be relatively small having adjusted to the light. If a person was attacked in the dark, theoretically the pupils should be near fully dialated. Or does death actually effect the pupils to the point that no determination could be made?

Does that make any sense ? See what I am getting at ? Thanks Sami - curious George moment.:crazy:RC - I am not Sami, but as a nurse I can provide you with an answer.
Pupils would immediately dilate after brain death. I would think there would be nothing to determine anything else. I see exactly where you are going, since pupil size is related to light, you were wondering could we tell if Michelle was murdered in the dark, etc, at least I think what you are getting at but, of course I could be very wrong, but to answer your question, when you "buy the farm" your pupils will be fixed and dilated...

This is the closest I could find to a link describing this, it is from an MD answering techinical questions for mystery writers:http://books.google.com/books?id=5ZXt-aJlmX4C&pg=RA1-PA273&lpg=RA1-PA273&dq=pupils+dilate+death&source=web&ots=u1RLy-Ea4V&sig=Sa2iLveWvBUV3aMrv5d9yE3RjcI

Also, the only reason pupils would not be fully dilated at death would be possibly due to drugs or medication causing constriction. This (pupil dilatation) is a reflex that occurs because all the muscles of the body have relaxed completely which is why if you ever see a corpse, there eyes look almost completely black because of how large their pupils are.

Sorry if I offended any one by being too graphic or anything...

[scandi]

Watching Shark on CBS, a great lawyer show with very interesting cases every weeK!

I heard two statements on this weeks show that made my ears perk up:

1} "The case is circumstantial; they have to make it a slam dunk!

2} "As soon as the kid became a material witness, they had to seperate him from the father."

Hmmmmmmm

[Mama-cita]

It's going to be
BOLD I hope, like:

HUSBAND ARRESTED


:D Oh Yea! Should be about ready to bring it on, don't 'cha think?
GIRLFRIEND?!?!?! YAYA!?!?!? You gave me a heart attack, as I was scrolling the page all I saw was:
HUSBAND ARRESTED
...and I THOUGHT HE WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
Whew, my blood pressure went up a bit, I think, I thought the old JayBird was about to have to PAY THE PIPER!!!!!

[jilly]

Watching Shark on CBS, a great lawyer show with very interesting cases every weeK!

I heard two statements on this weeks show that made my ears perk up:

1} "The case is circumstantial; they have to make it a slam dunk!

2} "As soon as the kid became a material witness, they had to seperate him from the father."

Hmmmmmmm

I love that show!! Did you see one of the first episodes where they had that CTV past host (Ricki Klingman or whatever) as the Judge? hehe I missed it tonite - rented The Departed.

Scandi, just wanted to add - I'm so sorry to read at the other place your experience with domestic violence. Glad you are here to tell about it! :blowkiss:

[Samiya]

Perhaps the reference is to Outside the Box.Yes, you're right RC.

Someone said in LR that they had been pm'ing OTB and that he was an insider only because he worked with Jason in the pharm job. This person then goes on in 'her' post that she asked him about the 7:30am call to Meredith and 'he' replied that he had no facts and that it was just a timeline he worked out himself. OTB apparently told this person that he had intentions of being an FBI agent before he got 'sidetracked'.

Usually I don't post details of other posts, especially those from LR almost in entirety but I thought that this one in particular needed to be brought to attention due to the 'information' he gave out in ctv.

Oh....my reference to "Beverley" is that when you hover over the iggy button in LR for johngo and look in the bottom of your browser bar (where it usually shows the loading page).....he doesn't show up as 'johngo'. He comes up as 'Beverley'. This is the only way to see if someone changed their display name, lol.

I discovered that one because I was going to put him on iggy, but noticed it said "Beverley" at the bottom. I changed my display name to Bella Mafia but if you hover over the iggy button for me, I show up in the bottom browser bar as "Sami". :crazy:

Sami

[Samiya]

Sami,

I have a question for you - not sure how to word it properly but here goes:

Is it possible to determine from the dialation of the pupils of a deceased person the conditions surrounding the death ? What I am getting at is if the person were awake and in a lit room - the pupils would be relatively small having adjusted to the light. If a person was attacked in the dark, theoretically the pupils should be near fully dialated. Or does death actually effect the pupils to the point that no determination could be made?

Does that make any sense ? See what I am getting at ? Thanks Sami - curious George moment.:crazy:
Hi 'Curious George',

Unfortunately the shortest answer is no.

Shortly after death the pupils become fixed and are dilated as they can no longer react to light. They also become dull as they begin to lose moisture. Around 15 hours later the corneas become milky.

With Michelle's case, due to the injuries she sustained, she would most likely have suffered brain death before her heart stopped beating and pumping blood, so her pupils would have become dilated and fixed before 'final' death.

Warning: trivia :)
Singer David Bowie is an example of a person who suffered a brain injury that rendered a pupil unreactive to light. He has two different eye colours due to an injury when young. His normal irises colour were blue, but due to the injury the left eyes iris appears a brownish/green but the pupil of that eye is permanently dilated. The sight in that eye was affected to the point where he can see with that eye but most of the colour vision is gone and a brownish tone is present.

Pic here: http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w200/whydoisurvive/davidbowieartystazdjecie5brf3h.jpg

Hope this helps :)

Sami

[raisincharlie]

RC - I am not Sami, but as a nurse I can provide you with an answer.
Pupils would immediately dilate after brain death. I would think there would be nothing to determine anything else. I see exactly where you are going, since pupil size is related to light, you were wondering could we tell if Michelle was murdered in the dark, etc, at least I think what you are getting at but, of course I could be very wrong, but to answer your question, when you "buy the farm" your pupils will be fixed and dilated...

This is the closest I could find to a link describing this, it is from an MD answering techinical questions for mystery writers:http://books.google.com/books?id=5ZXt-aJlmX4C&pg=RA1-PA273&lpg=RA1-PA273&dq=pupils+dilate+death&source=web&ots=u1RLy-Ea4V&sig=Sa2iLveWvBUV3aMrv5d9yE3RjcI

Also, the only reason pupils would not be fully dilated at death would be possibly due to drugs or medication causing constriction. This (pupil dilatation) is a reflex that occurs because all the muscles of the body have relaxed completely which is why if you ever see a corpse, there eyes look almost completely black because of how large their pupils are.

Sorry if I offended any one by being too graphic or anything...
Thank you Mama-cita and Sami as well. Interesting link ! Appreciate the information - and you guessed it, that is where I was going but didn't know exactly how the eyes would react. These Curious George moments get the best of me. For some reason I just don't think this murder was accomplished in the dark. Anyone have a really good idea or theory which side of the house the master bedroom was on (front or back) ? Guess it doesn't matter much, just studying, again.

Thanks again experts !

Sami - you sure hover over things alot but I'll not go back to the green dot blue dot thing !:p

[Kadie]

Is Beverly his (gojo) wife's name? I thought I read that somewhere?! Could be wrong.... I noticed that Beverly name yesterday too as I looked at gojo's profile and was searching for his postings.

[scandi]

It figures, Kadie, as we could tell there was more than one Gojo! I didn't like what I heard that poster say yesterday on the other site, that JY is now smiling and happier, coming out of his doldrums as he evidently got some good news. I guess he mowed Gojo's yard in the last few days.

Think it is a red herring as usual, so don't take it as truth. Just keeping you posted!~ Scandi

[jilly]

It figures, Kadie, as we could tell there was more than one Gojo! I didn't like what I heard that poster say yesterday on the other site, that JY is now smiling and happier, coming out of his doldrums as he evidently got some good news. I guess he mowed Gojo's yard in the last few days.

Think it is a red herring as usual, so don't take it as truth. Just keeping you posted!~ Scandi

Who said this Scandi - I missed it.

[caffeinatd]

Who said this Scandi - I missed it.Johngo at LR- yesterday 928pm post, at the bottom after he talks about bikinis and calif. trip

[jilly]

Johngo at LR- yesterday 928pm post, at the bottom after he talks about bikinis and calif. trip

Thanks caffeinatd! I'll mosey over!

Tennisbuff just posted at CTV saying he asked a detective friend (another county) why he thinks JY wouldn't be arrested yet. He said something like there's likely a big part of the story LE knew which could be good for JY.

I'm not liking the sounds of this today.

.

[Barney Fife]

Thanks caffeinatd! I'll mosey over!

Tennisbuff just posted at CTV saying he asked a detective friend (another county) why he thinks JY wouldn't be arrested yet. He said something like there's likely a big part of the story LE knew which could be good for JY.

I'm not liking the sounds of this today.

.I like TB, but she is "programmed" as an attorney. She said she talks to his younger sister every week (never about the case). I call BS on that. I doubt seriously she talks to her every week. She knew nothing about the older sister and has not seen JY in > 14 years, but she is so close to the younger sis she talks every week ?

She lives in Winston -Salem where there is ZERO coverage or interest in the case. A homicide detective there would also know ZERO about this case. I would not put any stock into him saying they must have something that looks good for JY.

[scandi]

Thaks Barney for clarifying that. I know TB means well, but it is so easy to have a viewpoint shift from the facts if there is a close connection which pushes it along.

Do you have any concerns Barney as to why it is taking so long to pop this husband?

[scandi]

Thanks Caffeinatd for clarifying that for our Jilly gal! LOL I about fainted when I read that!

[jilly]

I like TB, but she is "programmed" as an attorney. She said she talks to his younger sister every week (never about the case). I call BS on that. I doubt seriously she talks to her every week. She knew nothing about the older sister and has not seen JY in > 14 years, but she is so close to the younger sis she talks every week ?

She lives in Winston -Salem where there is ZERO coverage or interest in the case. A homicide detective there would also know ZERO about this case. I would not put any stock into him saying they must have something that looks good for JY.

Thanks for that Barney - I don't know what could look good for JY anyways. Even if LE did know, they sure wouldn't be sharing it with JY.

Went and read at LR. gojo certainly cockey last nite what with JY returning to his old self & chopping wood. If true, my first thought on the good news was maybe he got a job.

[caffeinatd]

Thanks for that Barney - I don't know what could look good for JY anyways. Even if LE did know, they sure wouldn't be sharing it with JY.

Went and read at LR. gojo certainly cockey last nite what with JY returning to his old self & chopping wood. If true, my first thought on the good news was maybe he got a job.
jason and an ax in my yard would make me extremely nervous...JMOO :loser:

[raisincharlie]

jason and an ax in my yard would make me extremely nervous...JMOO :loser:
Me too, an axe in Johngo's hands would make me nervous as well. :)

[raisincharlie]

I like TB, but she is "programmed" as an attorney. She said she talks to his younger sister every week (never about the case). I call BS on that. I doubt seriously she talks to her every week. She knew nothing about the older sister and has not seen JY in > 14 years, but she is so close to the younger sis she talks every week ?

She lives in Winston -Salem where there is ZERO coverage or interest in the case. A homicide detective there would also know ZERO about this case. I would not put any stock into him saying they must have something that looks good for JY.

:clap: :clap:

The Tooth Fairy ? That comment was, well, priceless !!! Good one !

[Samiya]

Me too, an axe in Johngo's hands would make me nervous as well. :)
Axes in their hands would have me a double barrel in mine!

Sami

[raisincharlie]

:laugh:



Axes in their hands would have me a double barrel in mine!

Sami
Sounds like an excellent idea to me !

[caffeinatd]

Axes in their hands would have me a double barrel in mine!

Sami
everyone would be VERY scared if I had a gun...never even held one...:eek:

[scandi]

I borrowed a six-shooter from a wranglin Montana cowboy one Halloween for a party at the Sea Hag in Depoe Bay Oregon. Took first place for my costume but had to lay my antique gun on the bar until I left! God what fun that night was!

That's when I learned to love 'em and leave 'em like all good cowgirls do! :D :D :D :eek:

[caffeinatd]

I borrowed a six-shooter from a wranglin Montana cowboy one Halloween for a party at the Sea Hag in Depoe Bay Oregon. Took first place for my costume but had to lay my antique gun on the bar until I left! God what fun that night was!

That's when I learned to love 'em and leave 'em like all good cowgirls do! :D :D :D :eek:

does sound like fun...if I was staying in Durham, think I mite consider learning to shoot....

[raisincharlie]

I borrowed a six-shooter from a wranglin Montana cowboy one Halloween for a party at the Sea Hag in Depoe Bay Oregon. Took first place for my costume but had to lay my antique gun on the bar until I left! God what fun that night was!

That's when I learned to love 'em and leave 'em like all good cowgirls do! :D :D :D :eek:
Darn, did you ever just totally blow away my perception of you ! I had you figured for this incredibly classy lady, full of spirit, freedom and loveliness -perhaps an inadvertant heartbreaker - now you tell me intentional heartbreaker - I'm crushed ...:o

[scandi]

LOLOLOL Oh Charlie, you know I was talking about the gun - love it and leave it! :D I never ever loved and left, but after my divorce - 2 years later, I did Letter' Buck for a while. :blushing:

Back to the gun. It was an heirloom he loaned me. His brother Jake Whitlock was a famous bronc artist, and it was his picture that was put on the poster for the Miles City Buckin' Horse Sale. I did stop in Billings the last year I went to that rodeo and saw Jake in the hospital, a couple of weeks before he died. I told him all about using the gun, and he squeezed my hand. Now that was a REAL cowboy!

[Samiya]

Darn, did you ever just totally blow away my perception of you ! I had you figured for this incredibly classy lady, full of spirit, freedom and loveliness -perhaps an inadvertant heartbreaker - now you tell me intentional heartbreaker - I'm crushed ...:o
yeah there goes my lovely vision of a darling little hippy grandma, still in the 60's era, with a hibiscus in her hair, sitting at the computer reading up on cases and mumbling...

"something wicked this way comes. Now if he went....and he did...then he...."

Instead she's jumping up and down on her rocking chair,watching COPS and waving a pistola screaming "book 'em Danno! Yeah that's right, slam that sucker to the ground and whack those cuffs on! Awww come on, I woulda had him down quicker than that!!".

**faints laughing**

Sami

[scandi]

How Funny Sami, Crack me up rolling down the road all the way to the next rodeo! LOL

Sitting at the bar after the rodeo, nursing a Bloody Mary in my fav white boots with the fringe all the way up the side, one of those Montana cowboys came up and started nibbling on my right ear. I felt a pinch and out the door he ran, and the next thing I heard was the bartender screaming he has your pearl earing in his teeth! Out he went after him, and soon returned with a red hand that had punched the guy and my earing in the other.

When I got home it started to itch behind my ear, and upon inspection discovered an abcess caused by the stem on my earing punching into my neck. It was awful, but good thing it was gold! Would have been a lot worse.

Sorry for the OT, but not much going on in the case :( Scandi

[close_enough]

read the last 6 posts, just now, & laughed out loud with a real big smile...lol, made my morning....:)

you guys are great!

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/drink/trink25.gif

[melaki]

Hi everyone…new to posting but not to reading. I’ve been closely following this case here and on CTV and now at LR. If there is another site please don’t tell me since I am probably close to being fired from my job as it is!

Something about this crime being pre-med that bothers me is if Jason is as narcissistic as we’re lead to believe I am amazed he would plan the murder of his wife on the weekend of homecoming.

I apologize that this is somewhat off topic…I grew up in a home that worshiped the Duke Blue Devils because my dad graduated from there. When you’re a Duke fan as many of you know you pull for anyone playing the Tarheels. Yesterday while watching the ACC Championship I couldn’t find it in myself to pull for the Pack as I have at times. Why? Because I knew Jason was watching the game and I didn’t want him to get the pleasure of them winning. However, I still didn’t pull for the Heels.

[Barney Fife]

Hi everyone…new to posting but not to reading. I’ve been closely following this case here and on CTV and now at LR. If there is another site please don’t tell me since I am probably close to being fired from my job as it is!

Something about this crime being pre-med that bothers me is if Jason is as narcissistic as we’re lead to believe I am amazed he would plan the murder of his wife on the weekend of homecoming.

I apologize that this is somewhat off topic…I grew up in a home that worshiped the Duke Blue Devils because my dad graduated from there. When you’re a Duke fan as many of you know you pull for anyone playing the Tarheels. Yesterday while watching the ACC Championship I couldn’t find it in myself to pull for the Pack as I have at times. Why? Because I knew Jason was watching the game and I didn’t want him to get the pleasure of them winning. However, I still didn’t pull for the Heels.
Believe me, I am not proud of these fellow NC State grads...for different reasons of course
1- John Edwards
2- Jason Young

[raisincharlie]

Hi everyone…new to posting but not to reading. I’ve been closely following this case here and on CTV and now at LR. If there is another site please don’t tell me since I am probably close to being fired from my job as it is!

Something about this crime being pre-med that bothers me is if Jason is as narcissistic as we’re lead to believe I am amazed he would plan the murder of his wife on the weekend of homecoming.

<snip>
Hello Melaki,

Remember that premeditation only takes a second to form.

[raisincharlie]

yeah there goes my lovely vision of a darling little hippy grandma, still in the 60's era, with a hibiscus in her hair, sitting at the computer reading up on cases and mumbling...

"something wicked this way comes. Now if he went....and he did...then he...."

Instead she's jumping up and down on her rocking chair,watching COPS and waving a pistola screaming "book 'em Danno! Yeah that's right, slam that sucker to the ground and whack those cuffs on! Awww come on, I woulda had him down quicker than that!!".

**faints laughing**

SamiMe too - THUD !

[pack_fan]

Got to thinking about funeral arrangements today. Quite an odd topic I know but someone earlier was asking about the funeral and it got my mind to wandering. Jason would have been next of kin and imo responsible for the arrangements.

It was said by people who attended that it was an open casket (for anyone who was there, feel free to verify or squash this rumor). Now if JY was responsible for the arrangements, and it was an open casket, one of two things crossed my mind. Either he is one sick puppy or he really didn't do it. How sick of a person would you actually be to show the world what you did to MY? Makeup can only do so much....

[Barney Fife]

Got to thinking about funeral arrangements today. Quite an odd topic I know but someone earlier was asking about the funeral and it got my mind to wandering. Jason would have been next of kin and imo responsible for the arrangements.

It was said by people who attended that it was an open casket (for anyone who was there, feel free to verify or squash this rumor). Now if JY was responsible for the arrangements, and it was an open casket, one of two things crossed my mind. Either he is one sick puppy or he really didn't do it. How sick of a person would you actually be to show the world what you did to MY? Makeup can only do so much....
It is my understanding from someone very close and attended the wake and funeral, LF insisted on the open casket. I think she wanted to show everyone what JY did.

[Taximom]

It is my understanding from someone very close and attended the wake and funeral, LF insisted on the open casket. I think she wanted to show everyone what JY did.
I would think that only the husband could insist on what's done with the casket. Very interesting.

I can't imagine what Michelle must have looked like at that point. :(

[Barney Fife]

I would think that only the husband could insist on what's done with the casket. Very interesting.

I can't imagine what Michelle must have looked like at that point. :(

If my wife died, I would welcome her Mother's input. After all, a Mother / Daughter relationship is usually special. I can't imagine that her request would be denied if she insisted. JY knows when to pick a fight and before the funeral was not the right time.

[Taximom]

If my wife died, I would welcome her Mother's input. After all, a Mother / Daughter relationship is usually special. I can't imagine that her request would be denied if she insisted. JY knows when to pick a fight and before the funeral was not the right time.
I agree, Barney, in a typical family most people would get together and make the right decision.

JY seems to be running and not picking any fights though, IMO. lol Guilt implied there, IMO!

[Kadie]

I was just lurking over at the LR website. Someone posted that Johngo asked that all of his posts be deleted. Anyone know anything?

Also, they stated on CTV that outside the box posted that its "gonna be all over" by March 31st.

Interesting.......

[jilly]

[

I apologize that this is somewhat off topic…I grew up in a home that worshiped the Duke Blue Devils because my dad graduated from there. When you’re a Duke fan as many of you know you pull for anyone playing the Tarheels. Yesterday while watching the ACC Championship I couldn’t find it in myself to pull for the Pack as I have at times. Why? Because I knew Jason was watching the game and I didn’t want him to get the pleasure of them winning. However, I still didn’t pull for the Heels.

Think of it this way melaki - In all probability, this will be the last season that he watches. :)

And by the way - welcome! :)

[BarnGoddess]

I was just lurking over at the LR website. Someone posted that Johngo asked that all of his posts be deleted. Anyone know anything?

Also, they stated on CTV that outside the box posted that its "gonna be all over" by March 31st.

Interesting.......
Out of curiosity (I did find the site by searching on CTV), do you need to join to view? Couldn't get past that screen and was leery of signing up.

[Whimsigal]

Out of curiosity (I did find the site by searching on CTV), do you need to join to view? Couldn't get past that screen and was leery of signing up.

You do have to join to view. I did and, other than reading a few annoying posts, I haven't suffered any adverse effects. :)

[DEPUTYDAWG]

I was just lurking over at the LR website. Someone posted that Johngo asked that all of his posts be deleted. Anyone know anything?

Also, they stated on CTV that outside the box posted that its "gonna be all over" by March 31st.

Interesting.......

Nope, don't know why he elected to do that today. Hmmm....

I was wondering who he was being cryptic about today, as to who had taken care of Cassie during the morning hours, before MF arrived @ 1:30pm. I was under the impression that at this time, he wasn't going towards MF. Someone else. I don't know who! Was he thinking maybe the GA friend was there in the morning? But LE's talked to her and cleared her, as far as we know.

Any guesses from anyone who read his words before he poofed them?

[Barney Fife]

Nope, don't know why he elected to do that today. Hmmm....

I was wondering who he was being cryptic about today, as to who had taken care of Cassie during the morning hours, before MF arrived @ 1:30pm. I was under the impression that at this time, he wasn't going towards MF. Someone else. I don't know who! Was he thinking maybe the GA friend was there in the morning? But LE's talked to her and cleared her, as far as we know.

Any guesses from anyone who read his words before he poofed them?

He thinks it was MF and her boyfriend (African, per Mimi)

[Barney Fife]

Maybe he got the letter this morning from WRAL's attorney ? Maybe it was a letter from MF's attorney with suite papers for the embezzelment lies ?

From my exchange last night ....
Oh, you are referring to Amanda's report. Better watch out John, that is skating on thin ice. WRAL has those high priced lawyers protecting their reporters and all. Have you written any more e-mails to Amanda's bosses at Capital Broadcasting ?

As for your statement that MF embezzled from a restaurant. Your gojo and PUTUP posts are now "poof", so I guess we have to believe you that you never posted such garbage.


No more emails to Amanda---when I write a girl, I depend on her to keep my letters private.

About those lawyers.....I reckon they just haven't had time yet to write my letter. Every day I check my mail and every day I am disappointed. How about giving them another call. I don't get much mail, and you know how I love attention.

Speaking of attention, as you were, is Birchleaf getting more attention these days now that people are learning who lives on that road? Amazing what these computer people can learn, huh?That could be bad news, I reckon.

johngo

[DEPUTYDAWG]

He thinks it was MF and her boyfriend (African, per Mimi)

So is his thought that MF and boyfriend killed Michelle, then hung around the house for hours and babysat Cassie? And what? Got tired of it after several hours so decided to call 911, figuring it had been long enough to wait?! :doh: What am I not catching as to his mental theory?

[Barney Fife]

So is his thought that MF and boyfriend killed Michelle, then hung around the house for hours and babysat Cassie? And what? Got tired of it after several hours so decided to call 911, figuring it had been long enough to wait?! :doh: What am I not catching as to his mental theory?
His mental theory is beyond anyone around here. I wonder if could try Dix's Hill
http://www.dhhs.state.nc.us/mhddsas/DIX/

[Samiya]

RPD,

Re the autopsy photos and discussion with the ME.

Did he give any indication as to how bloody the clothes were? Like was it just around the top of the hoodie or were the pants soaked in blood in any way...as in alot of blood, not spatter?


TIA
Sami

[Barney Fife]

RPD,

Re the autopsy photos and discussion with the ME.

Did he give any indication as to how bloody the clothes were? Like was it just around the top of the hoodie or were the pants soaked in blood in any way...as in alot of blood, not spatter?


TIA
SAM
Sorry Sami. No photos of the cloths and no comments. I was very disappointed.

[Samiya]

Sorry Sami. No photos of the cloths and no comments. I was very disappointed.
Thanks RPD,

:blowkiss:

Sami

[Kadie]

He thinks it was MF and her boyfriend (African, per Mimi)
It sure was her lucky day then, eh? That JY called her and asked her to go over there to retrieve the fax/printout for him?

Im going to lurk over there again to see what is up. IMO, he sure is a strange man. (gojo)

[DEPUTYDAWG]

His mental theory is beyond anyone around here. I wonder if could try Dix's Hill
http://www.dhhs.state.nc.us/mhddsas/DIX/

:silenced:

[scandi]

Hi :) ,

Does everyone think the statement made today at CTV means he will be arrested by March 31st? That's 20 whole days away!

[Barney Fife]

Hi :) ,

Does everyone think the statement made today at CTV means he will be arrested by March 31st? That's 20 whole days away!


OutSidetheBox posted that. He has info from a source that thinks they will arrest JY by the end of the month....who knows

[Dominique]

Hi :) ,

Does everyone think the statement made today at CTV means he will be arrested by March 31st? That's 20 whole days away!


Lovely Scandi...I, like so many of us, will wait...we have been here and been here and been here...let's look for more indicators and keep one another abreast of news reports.

{That thought is no reflection on any poster, anywhere. That thought just comes from remembering other cases and the protocal when news breaks}

This case is another heartbreaker. *Looooooong sigh* I would love an arrest date but I think that we will all have some notice, by news stories or indicators in the media, when it happens...I do like the prognostication from our 'tea leaves' *they keep me going on this pursuit of justice quest for Michelle and Cassie!* and have no doubts that JY will be arrested soon for this crime.

Soon is a relative concept for the living---->that would be us and sadly not Michelle.

[jilly]

OutSidetheBox posted that. He has info from a source that thinks they will arrest JY by the end of the month....who knows

If I recall correctly - the Grand Jury should be meeting again next Mon & Tues, so if nothing happens after that, I would think the info is wrong.

[caffeinatd]

If I recall correctly - the Grand Jury should be meeting again next Mon & Tues, so if nothing happens after that, I would think the info is wrong.
That is right, but I wonder if they get a true bill, will they allow him to turn himself in within like 48 hrs with his attorney, or just go get him? Any ideas?

[raisincharlie]

I would think that only the husband could insist on what's done with the casket. Very interesting.

I can't imagine what Michelle must have looked like at that point. :(
I have a feeling JY left much of this to his Mum and family to determine, he was busy with the zombie act IMO. It would be hard for him to overide Mum's decisions without some realy good reason and I suspect Mum had enough decency to speak with Linda Fisher - blood is still thicker than water.

[raisincharlie]

It sure was her lucky day then, eh? That JY called her and asked her to go over there to retrieve the fax/printout for him?

Im going to lurk over there again to see what is up. IMO, he sure is a strange man. (gojo)
I think he is beyond strange - he plays a pretty sick and twisted game concerning Michelle's murder - hopefully she appeared to him in a vision and kicked his sorry butt to he77. IMO he is a very depraved, sick individual and I am being kind.

[raisincharlie]

Amanda Lamb's latest blog entry:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/blogpost/1227974/

Anyone notice the Massenburg headline today at WRAL. No DP, the fellow admitted to killing his wife, he is charged with 1st degree. His lawyer has an interesting take on what happpened...I think he must have consulted with Geragos for that one.

[raisincharlie]

If I recall correctly - the Grand Jury should be meeting again next Mon & Tues, so if nothing happens