Unidentifed White Female, 17-22, Kilgore TX

[jodierenee]

This is one that should be easily solvable with a little sleuthing.

I emailed Tricia asking her if we could get a sub forum specifically for Unidentified people, but I haven't heard anything yet.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/UnidentifiedDetails.asp?id=U0611002

http://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase539.html

Agency: Gregg County Sheriff's Office
Date Found: 10/29/2006
Estimated Date of Death: 10-29-2006
Cause of Death: Unknown
Race: White
Sex: Female
Age: 17 - 22
Height: 5' 3 " - 5' 5 "
Weight: 100 lbs. - 120 lbs.
Eye Color: Unknown
Hair Color: Blonde
State Found: Texas
Country Found: USA
Clothing: "One Tuff Babe" brand name jeans (size 7/8), a mauve colored shirt, possibly a sweatshirt.
Miscellaneous: The victim may have had blonde hair with red highlights or red hair with blonde highlights. The deceased was found in a wooded lease area near Kilgore, Texas. Positive identification of this deceased person can only be made through DNA or dental comparison.

[jodierenee]

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1052249&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

[nanandjim]

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1052249&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

This girl definitely resembles the composite of the deceased. She also seems to fit the description.

[LionRun]

Thank you for starting this thread, and I hope that Tricia will let us start an, "Unidentified Victim's" forum, too. Sable posted this Princess Doe as a possible match for Roxanne Paltauf, and I just posted today that the dentals do not match. However, I spoke with the Kilgore LE a couple of weeks ago. Her dentals have been evaluated forensically, and they know that she died on or about 10/29/06. A friend of mine, rich, and I are now wondering who this dear young girl was, although we are still trying diligently as ever to find Roxy.

Lion

[richandfamous]

http://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase539(a).jpghttp://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase539(b).jpghttp://www.missingkids.com/photographs/NCMC1052249c1.jpg

wow, dang'd if it doesn't look like a match..u guys are good! Ok, who's finding out if this is her? thx

[richandfamous]

And this girl has been missing since June 2006.
So she has been living somewhere since then probably in Texas with the guy she ran away with maybe....just thinking out loud.





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[Aprilvic]

I lurk all the time, missing people and unsolved murders have always intrigued me since a family member died mysteriously several years ago.

Just wanted to say hi, I will be posting more now,
AND
that looks like a very good match to me, I think it is wonderful how the people here are so caring and involved in finding truth!
Please to everyone diligently searching don't give up! You guys are great!
April

[richandfamous]

I lurk all the time, missing people and unsolved murders have always intrigued me since a family member died mysteriously several years ago.

Just wanted to say hi, I will be posting more now,
AND
that looks like a very good match to me, I think it is wonderful how the people here are so caring and involved in finding truth!
Please to everyone diligently searching don't give up! You guys are great!
April


Aprilvic, welcome! please join us in the searches! More heads, more found!

[Sable]

Has anyone found out anymore details on this poor girl? Like any chipped or missing teeth? Any previous fractures? Was she killed before being burned, or was she burned alive?



I also wanted to post this link. The girl's name is Jacqelyn Mohan. She's missing from Utah, but the poster I linked to says she could have traveled to Alvin TX.
http://www.texasequusearch.org/missing_persons/JacquelynMohanPoster.pdf

[fran]

Because the body was burned, it's possible the height could be slightly off and the hair color could just be a guess. Although this says she has 'brown hair,' imho, her picture looks more blondish to me.

A few days before this body was found was when Alexis' boyfriend called his friend in Houston. The couple was in Dallas. Kilgore is between Dallas and Houston.

FWIW
fran

PS..Wonder if they hitched a ride with the wrong person? Sounds like the friend did NOT pick them up in Dallas. Maybe her bf is a John Doe or not found?fran


http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=AR06-10844&orgPrefix=USOK&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US




ALEXIS DIANA DIANA HORTON
Case Type: Endangered Runaway
DOB: Dec 18, 1990 Sex: Female
Missing Date: Oct 22, 2006 Race: White
Age Now: 16 Height: 5'8" (173 cm)
Missing City: JONES Weight: 120 lbs (54 kg)
Missing State : OK Hair Color: Brown
Missing Country: United States Eye Color: Hazel

Case Number: USOKAR06-10844
Circumstances: Alexis lost both her mother and father in a vehicle accident earlier this year (2006) Alexis is believed to be traveling in the company of her 16 year old boyfriend - Troy Alan PURSER. On October 25, 2006 Troy called a friend in Houston, TX and asked if he would come to Dallas and pick him and Alexis up and take them to Houston. Both Alexis and Troy have lived in the Houston, Texas area in the past.

[fran]

Here's another one out of Colorado that could possibly have been headed to Texas.

FWIW
fran


http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1052489&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

MELISSA SUZANNE MARLER-HALL
Case Type: Endangered Runaway
DOB: Oct 24, 1988 Sex: Female
Missing Date: Aug 24, 2006 Race: White
Age Now: 18 Height: 5'4" (163 cm)
Missing City: SOUTH FORK Weight: 120 lbs (54 kg)
Missing State : CO Hair Color: Blonde
Missing Country: United States Eye Color: Blue

Case Number: NCMC1052489
Circumstances: Melissa was last seen on August 24, 2006. She may be in the company of an adult male. They may still be in the local area, or they may have traveled to Galveston, Texas. Melissa's ears are pierced and she has a mark above the left side of her upper lip. Her nicknames are Liss and Mel.

[LionRun]

Welcome Aprilvic:).

Lion

I lurk all the time, missing people and unsolved murders have always intrigued me since a family member died mysteriously several years ago.

Just wanted to say hi, I will be posting more now,
AND
that looks like a very good match to me, I think it is wonderful how the people here are so caring and involved in finding truth!
Please to everyone diligently searching don't give up! You guys are great!
April

[LionRun]

Fran, a couple of good possible matches. When I spoke with the dispatcher at Kilgore LE a couple of weeks ago, she had no idea and had never heard of the Doe Network. Has anyone submitted either of the two possible matches, yet? Is this something we can do?

Off topic: Rich, please check your PM's.

Lion

[Sable]

Because the body was burned, it's possible the height could be slightly off and the hair color could just be a guess. Although this says she has 'brown hair,' imho, her picture looks more blondish to me.

A few days before this body was found was when Alexis' boyfriend called his friend in Houston. The couple was in Dallas. Kilgore is between Dallas and Houston.

FWIW
fran

PS..Wonder if they hitched a ride with the wrong person? Sounds like the friend did NOT pick them up in Dallas. Maybe her bf is a John Doe or not found?fran


http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=AR06-10844&orgPrefix=USOK&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US




ALEXIS DIANA DIANA HORTON
Case Type: Endangered Runaway
DOB: Dec 18, 1990 Sex: Female
Missing Date: Oct 22, 2006 Race: White
Age Now: 16 Height: 5'8" (173 cm)
Missing City: JONES Weight: 120 lbs (54 kg)
Missing State : OK Hair Color: Brown
Missing Country: United States Eye Color: Hazel

Case Number: USOKAR06-10844
Circumstances: Alexis lost both her mother and father in a vehicle accident earlier this year (2006) Alexis is believed to be traveling in the company of her 16 year old boyfriend - Troy Alan PURSER. On October 25, 2006 Troy called a friend in Houston, TX and asked if he would come to Dallas and pick him and Alexis up and take them to Houston. Both Alexis and Troy have lived in the Houston, Texas area in the past.

Not sure if this will help any of you fellow sleuthers, but i'm about 99% positive I found Alexis on MySpace. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=77116016

ETA- http://www.myspace.com/troypurser This could be Alexis's boyfriend's MySpace. It's currently set to private and I'm hoping he will add me so I can look at the rest of his profile.

[fran]

Not sure if this will help any of you fellow sleuthers, but i'm about 99% positive I found Alexis on MySpace. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=77116016

Hi Sable:
That does appear to be her. It looks like she hasn't logged on since she lost her mom and dad earlier in the year of 2006. How sad is that?........Moore and Jones are about 1/2 hour apart, suburbs or part of Oklahoma City. She was probably staying with relatives.

fran

[Sable]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=164573762

This is another Troy Purser myspace account I found. He set his status to single, which really makes me wonder.

ETA - I just noticed something about the first MySpace for Troy that I posted...

Here For: Dating, Friends

[fran]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=164573762

This is another Troy Purser myspace account I found. He set his status to single, which really makes me wonder.

ETA - I just noticed something about the first MySpace for Troy that I posted...

Here For: Dating, Friends

Hi Sable:
In your first post, I didn't notice the 'troy' myspace. Both of the ones you found could be him. the first one is scary, imo. IF that's Alexis' Troy, he doesn't seem like he's all that nice. Kind of a hard a** if you know what I mean. I don't like his quote. JMO, of course.

IF that is Alexis' Troy, could she be with him? or could she have made him mad on their way to Houston? IMO, IF she's with him, she needs to call home and let them know she's ok.

fran

PS.........and no, I haven't contacted any LE about the two possibilities I posted. I've contacted these places before and they usually just ignore you. fran

[Salem]

Fran & Sable - in Alexis' myspace, her last post was in 2006, but in the first Troy's - he posted today! I haven't looked at the second troy link yet.

[Salem]

The second Troy link's last log in was 3/3/07. No picture on that one. Is there a picture of Alexis's boyfriend anywhere? I wonder if LE has one?

[Salem]

Lionrun, Fran and Sable - I don't mean to interfere, but I think the possible matches should be reported to LE. The first match is an incredible likeness. I know I have read other entries where this information has been submitted, but I can't remember by whom. However, I would be willing to submit the information, if you would rather not. I don't want to step on any toes........

Salem

[LionRun]

Salem, you are not interfering at all:). You are a member with something to say, and I agree that they need to be submitted. Even if we get a "poo poo" response---at least we tried.

I called Kilgore LE to report a possible match for Roxanne Paltauf and Princess Doe. But, does anyone know how to submit the links to the right people? I have never done that before, and I want to make sure that they get to the right place.

Lion

[richandfamous]

I sent the pic and links to the Erie PA PD. If they respond, I will post.

[PrayersForMaura]

I sent an e-mail to the NCMEC with the first girl posted, Vanessa.

http://www.missingkids.com/orglogos/NCMC_en_US.gif National Center for Missing & Exploited Children

[LionRun]

Thank you PrayersForMaura. I hope we can find out who Princess Doe is.

Off Topic: Are you related to or a friend of Maura? I have not been to her site yet; but, that is where I am going now to read more about her.

Lion

I sent an e-mail to the NCMEC with the first girl posted, Vanessa.

http://www.missingkids.com/orglogos/NCMC_en_US.gif National Center for Missing & Exploited Children

[Salem]

You guys are awesome! Thanks for forwarding the information and I can only say that if you do not get a response or acknowledgement for the effort, then the person in charge of the investigation should be replaced with someone who will do the job right!!!!!!!

Salem

[richandfamous]

You guys are awesome! Thanks for forwarding the information and I can only say that if you do not get a response or acknowledgement for the effort, then the person in charge of the investigation should be replaced with someone who will do the job right!!!!!!!

Salem

I want that job! :D

I also sent both pics and links to NCMEC yesterday and they sent this email:

Thank you very much. The information you have provided has been
compiled into a lead report and will be sent to the child case manager
for review.

Thank You again,
NCMEC Hotline

I also sent it to the Erie PD. No answer yet but it is the weekend so maybe no one reads their email till monday.



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[fran]

I have in the past contacted both LE and NCMEC regarding cases. The two possibilities I posted yesterday, I hadn't reported. IF anyone reported them, thank you. :blowkiss:

If I ever post any possibilities and haven't reported them, if anyone else wants to, that's fine with me. IF I already reported them I'll let you know.

If we all get together, maybe we can solve some of these cold cases. IMO, LE is too overwhelmed. I'm sure they appreciate the help.

fran

[dannyodie]

http://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase539(a).jpghttp://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase539(b).jpghttp://www.missingkids.com/photographs/NCMC1052249c1.jpg

wow, dang'd if it doesn't look like a match..u guys are good! Ok, who's finding out if this is her? thx

I sure think this is her, very very close, so close it should be looked at as a exact match, the cheek region is too close to be any other than this young lady.

[richandfamous]

No word yet? Slow as molasses these cops are.....................................

[richandfamous]

This could have been her myspace acct. But it's pretty empty.
Says she's a virgo and she doesn't want kids
last login was jan 15 06.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=49210785

[LionRun]

Not only does the cheek structure seem to match; but, note the teeth. They seem to be the same size, in the same position, and both have a very similar slight overbite. I will check both profiles again. As I recall there was something that didn't quite fit. But, I will check it out again.

Lion

[JDB]

Boy does that pic look like the drawings.

[Jaded]

Even down to the natural part of the hair as they have recreated on the model.

[SadieMae]

I sure think this is her, very very close, so close it should be looked at as a exact match, the cheek region is too close to be any other than this young lady.
Also her front left tooth looks slightly crooked in the photo. On the black/white composite I think I'm seeing the same thing. The resemblence is amazing...I'd almost bet the farm this is a match.

[englishleigh]

Not only does the cheek structure seem to match; but, note the teeth. They seem to be the same size, in the same position, and both have a very similar slight overbite. I will check both profiles again. As I recall there was something that didn't quite fit. But, I will check it out again.

Lion

Wasn't it the height?

[MrsG728]

I had one of my students do an overlay on photoshop (they are so good w/graphics, not me)
even the spacing of the eyes is dead on, so is the ratio of width of the face to it's height.

If this is Vanessa, then I hope that they can put some closeure on this case as soon as possible for her family. How sad this must be :(

Can we hope that LE acknowledges the hard work of you WS'ers this time?

MG

[LionRun]

Wasn't it the height?

Yes, englishleigh. I think it was the height. i haven't gone back and compared yet; but, as I recall Princess Doe's height was shorter than Vanessa's height in life. Princess Doe's body was severely burned; which could explain the inaccuracy, and heights are often off a bit anyway. I think another thing that I hadn't worked out yet was location. But, they look an awful lot alike seemingly right down to the bone structure of the faces.

Lion

[Kezlyn]

I may be wrong on this, but I do recall reading somewhere that bones shrink when they are burned. That may account for the discrepancy in height.

[richandfamous]

bumping this, I am going to call Erie PD tomorrow and see if they know anything yet.

[LionRun]

Good, rich. Please let us know how it goes even if they don't know anything, yet.

Lion

[richandfamous]

Good, rich. Please let us know how it goes even if they don't know anything, yet.

Lion
Ok, I apologize, I was so tired I slept right up until I had to come to work today. I will try to call tomorrow, I will be off work.

[richandfamous]

Looks like Vanessa Schultz' mother has posted to the topix thread I posted.
http://www.topix.net/forum/city/erie-pa/TQ9CLP0HG1TR6OM2H#lastPost
I have told her to come here and read this thread and to join if she wishes.




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[MrsG728]

Lion this is the match I was talking about on the phone. My student who did the overlay will be in school tomorrow. If she can do it for me I'll PM it to you.

[richandfamous]

Lion this is the match I was talking about on the phone. My student who did the overlay will be in school tomorrow. If she can do it for me I'll PM it to you.

Ok Mrs G, but I'm richandfamous...lol. I know our siggies look alike so lots of ppl think i'm Lion. Which is ok with me cause she's the greatest!

I'll change my siggy today.
The girls mother left a message for me on the topix board, I'm waiting for her to post back. That topix board is strange, I kept posting back to her and then it would disapear...and then about 5 hrs later all three of my post showed up again??? Makes me crazy...mOOOOOOOOOOO.

Cheers my friend, richandfamous aka colleen

[LionRun]

Lion this is the match I was talking about on the phone. My student who did the overlay will be in school tomorrow. If she can do it for me I'll PM it to you.

Okay, perhaps I can cheat a little here. MrsG, since you first thought that rich was me, and you planned on sending me the PM based on rich's post, I will gladly accept a PM with the overlay anyway:D.

Actually, I would be most appreciative if you could send me the pic with the overlay. This is very interesting.

Lion

[richandfamous]

Okay, perhaps I can cheat a little here. MrsG, since you first thought that rich was me, and you planned on sending me the PM based on rich's post, I will gladly accept a PM with the overlay anyway:D.

Actually, I would be most appreciative if you could send me the pic with the overlay. This is very interesting.

Lion

LOL..could I have one too, MrsG???

[LionRun]

LOL..could I have one too, MrsG???

I aksed first! Waaaah! Waaaah! (child having a tantrum icon) LOL:D.

[richandfamous]

I aksed first! Waaaah! Waaaah! (child having a tantrum icon) LOL:D.

There's no cryin' in sleuthing! LMAO.


ps: if a zebra has no stripes, is it black or white?


Lion, thx for the post on forensic anthro...very interesting indeed.

[LionRun]

There's no cryin' in sleuthing! LMAO.


ps: if a zebra has no stripes, is it black or white?


Lion, thx for the post on forensic anthro...very interesting indeed.

I am taking my ball and going home. So there :D.

I have never seen a zebra without stripes. Hmmmm. Could be a zebra lol.

You are welcome, BTW.

We have a great team here with people with many talents and dogged determination. This will get us through, I think. I am honored to work with each of you wonderful and good folks:).

Lion

[MrsG728]

LOL..could I have one too, MrsG???

of course, my dear! Let's hope she is back from florida!

MG

[MrsG728]

Ok Mrs G, but I'm richandfamous...lol. I know our siggies look alike so lots of ppl think i'm Lion. Which is ok with me cause she's the greatest!

I'll change my siggy today.
The girls mother left a message for me on the topix board, I'm waiting for her to post back. That topix board is strange, I kept posting back to her and then it would disapear...and then about 5 hrs later all three of my post showed up again??? Makes me crazy...mOOOOOOOOOOO.

Cheers my friend, richandfamous aka colleen

:laugh:"One of the symptoms of M.S> is lack of cognitive function." :doh: my poor students.

*runs away to eat some crows....* sheesh

[LionRun]

:laugh:"One of the symptoms of M.S> is lack of cognitive function." :doh: my poor students.

*runs away to eat some crows....* sheesh

Crows don't feel good on the palate so they say. Might I suggest chicken?:D.

I will also post to the topix thread.

Lion

[MrsG728]

My student will be doing the overlay tonight at home. I will have it by midnight! I am so excited I gave him +2 points on his overall average! :D

MG

[richandfamous]

My student will be doing the overlay tonight at home. I will have it by midnight! I am so excited I gave him +2 points on his overall average! :D

MG
kudos to your student! (just 2 points? j/k) :D I'm excited too! I did an overlay with Roxy and this UID and it was close but not exact. I haven't tried the overlay with Vanessa.
I am anxious for her mother to respond also. The poor woman! I never know how to approach something like this with the loved ones. Sometimes I'm to gruff.

[MrsG728]

kudos to your student! (just 2 points? j/k) :D I'm excited too! I did an overlay with Roxy and this UID and it was close but not exact. I haven't tried the overlay with Vanessa.
I am anxious for her mother to respond also. The poor woman! I never know how to approach something like this with the loved ones. Sometimes I'm to gruff.
I know. I was like woohoo till I thought, "oh my gosh this mom will see our "possible match". :sick: poor lady.

[sloane]

Has anyone found out anymore details on this poor girl? Like any chipped or missing teeth? Any previous fractures? Was she killed before being burned, or was she burned alive?



I also wanted to post this link. The girl's name is Jacqelyn Mohan. She's missing from Utah, but the poster I linked to says she could have traveled to Alvin TX.
http://www.texasequusearch.org/missing_persons/JacquelynMohanPoster.pdf


This decedent (the young woman in the facial reconstruction) had no chipped, missing, or broken teeth. She had a beautiful smile, don't you think?
Do you want a more "personal" name for this one as well? She was found w/ blue jeans and a medium shade of purple-colored top. The brand of the jeans is "One Tuff Babe." Sadly ironic, considering her fate.

sloane

[sloane]

This could have been her myspace acct. But it's pretty empty.
Says she's a virgo and she doesn't want kids
last login was jan 15 06.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=49210785

Hi richandfamous,
Unless she just wants to intentionally put in false info., Vanessa Lynn Schultz's DOB is stated as 09-13-1989, which means she is not a virgo.

sloane

[LionRun]

Hi richandfamous,
Unless she just wants to intentionally put in false info., Vanessa Lynn Schultz's DOB is stated as 09-13-1989, which means she is not a virgo.

sloane

http://www.zodiac-signs.co.uk/

Virgo (http://www.astrology-chart.co.uk/virgo.htm) (24 August-23 September)

Actually, I think that if she were born on 9/13, Virgo.

Lion

[sloane]

OOOps,
I stand corrected. I wrote the correct DOB, but in my mind I was thinking Octber, when she was discovered. You're right.

Sorry, sloane

[richandfamous]

Ok, I re-sent emails with all links, images and case numbers of the possible match with this Kilgore Doe and Vanessa Schultz to:
The Gregg County Sheriff's Dept (the Sheriff and the Deputy for Kilgore)
Erie Police Dept
The Doe Network
Karla Mullenax at WJET TV (a little media attention wouldn't hurt)

will post if I get an answer

[MrsG728]

Hi Rich
I don't have access to the morph shot, but go ahead and post if you have it handy. Otherwise It'll be late tonight before I can. Thanks for everything you're doin for this case. I am dying to know how this turns out.

MG

[richandfamous]

Hi Rich
I don't have access to the morph shot, but go ahead and post if you have it handy. Otherwise It'll be late tonight before I can. Thanks for everything you're doin for this case. I am dying to know how this turns out.

MG

Morphing Photo overlay by MrsG728
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y252/mrsgeluso/girl3.gif

[MissieMt]

Wow, that morph is way too close. Let's pray that LE agrees.

[christine2448]

Morphing Photo overlay by MrsG728
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y252/mrsgeluso/girl3.gif


Really neat work! Umm, willing to share your email addy with me via PM, ...would love to have a contact that can do these kinda photos for me :)

www.myspace.com/do_u_recognize_me

There is one here on WS, in Anna Waters thread, would love to do this kinda comparison with the little Synanon Girl and Anna, if it's even possible.

Forgive me for jumping in and going off topic, TIA!

[MrsG728]

Really neat work! Umm, willing to share your email addy with me via PM, ...would love to have a contact that can do these kinda photos for me :)

www.myspace.com/do_u_recognize_me (http://www.myspace.com/do_u_recognize_me)

There is one here on WS, in Anna Waters thread, would love to do this kinda comparison with the little Synanon Girl and Anna, if it's even possible.

Forgive me for jumping in and going off topic, TIA!

Hi Christine
I had one of my students at my school do it. I you PM mw the pics, maybe I can have them do it for you.

MG

[LionRun]

Hi MrsG, hi Christine, hi Missie:). Rich emailed authorities with all info within the last couple of days, I think. I called Todd Matthews of the doenetwork and left a voice message to ask if they were working on this case and that he can call me with further questions if needed.

I see some points where the morph does not match. However, I don't know if it is because Vanessa's pic is not head on, the recon of our Kilgore Princess Doe is not fully accurate, I don't know the conditions of the skull and facial bones(were there broken/misplaced bones resulting in an inaccurate recon?), or if it just isn't her. But, still the resemblance is definitely there, and I hope and pray that this is a match, if in fact Vanessa is no longer living.

Lion

[christine2448]

Is the doe a reconstruction picture? If so, it couldn't possibly perfecty match, right?

[LionRun]

Is the doe a reconstruction picture? If so, it couldn't possibly perfecty match, right?

Yes, the Kilgore Princess Doe is a recon pic. How it was done has a bearing on how accurate to scale it is, I think. Yet, certain aspects of a well done recon based on accurate measurements of the actual craniofacial characteristics are generally fairly reliable. The (eye) orbits, jaw shape, width, and structure, basic facial shape and width, for example should be the same and match. Things like hair, skin, and eye color are not necessarily accurate. Any soft tissue, such as lips, and any flesh are not always spot on. This is only what I recall from classes taken long ago, and from recall from previous research. I don't know how accurate I am with my thoughts on this.

Lion

[jodierenee]

wow...great morph thingy.

no matter what the outcome, i am proud of myself for finding this one. :blushing: I hope it can bring closure to someone's family.

And if it is indeed her, that forensic sculptor needs to be given a bonus for their excellent work!

[richandfamous]

wow...great morph thingy.

no matter what the outcome, i am proud of myself for finding this one. :blushing: I hope it can bring closure to someone's family.

And if it is indeed her, that forensic sculptor needs to be given a bonus for their excellent work!

Yes, It is YOU dear jodierenee who caught this one! We are proud of you too! I was looking back over the thread and meant to comment you about this but got busy just trying to get some response from LE.

You da bomb, girl!

We make a great group of sleuthers huh?



Here's to all of us making more finds and bringing loved ones home to rest.

[sloane]

:woohoo: Ok, you guys are officially FABULOUS! You work hard, fast and as a team! It's like you are all great friends, though I doubt many of you have even met!

Richandfamous, thank you for sending all that info. to the authorities! It has now also been sent to the lead whose case this actually is, as well as another state-wide investigative agency. They were impressed with the possible match as well! It was also sent to a multi-state (Southern ones) information sharing service for LE, because Kilgore Princess Doe was found relatively close to the border with LA. That way LE will see this case's stats and the facial reconstruction in many states.
But don't worry, credit will go where credit is due!!!!

Way to go,
sloane

[sloane]

So what do the rest of you think about a common name for this one? I'm having a hard time with "Kilgore Princess Doe" even though I'm the one that just wrote it again! Just the word Kilgore sounds awful. Would you like to continue with colors and do something with the purple she was discovered wearing? "Amethyst?" "Amy," for short? "Tuff Babe" (the jeans)? "Lavender Doe?"

open for ideas,
sloane

[LionRun]

So what do the rest of you think about a common name for this one? I'm having a hard time with "Kilgore Princess Doe" even though I'm the one that just wrote it again! Just the word Kilgore sounds awful. Would you like to continue with colors and do something with the purple she was discovered wearing? "Amethyst?" "Amy," for short? "Tuff Babe" (the jeans)? "Lavender Doe?"

open for ideas,
sloane

Hi sloane. Thank you for the info:). Kilgore is for the location because we don't have a name and we work various cases at one time. But, now that you mention it, Kilgore has the sound, "kill" in it which does sound darn awful. I never liked putting the name, "Doe" on an UID, either because it is so impersonal. To me they are all princes and princesses because to someone they will always be just that, I imagine and hope for.

I like Princess Lavender and Princess Amethyst. What about Princess Sunshine for the highlights in her hair?

We are working on coming together as a team with each hand knowing what the other is doing, as it were. Thank you for seeing that.

Lion

[sloane]

I know it was for the location...I've always thought some of the names of towns are just quite strange. There is a town near Princess Blue's location called "Chocolate Bayou!!" Just odd.

Well, my vote is for P. Lavender or P. Amethyst :twocents:

[LionRun]

I know it was for the location...I've always thought some of the names of towns are just quite strange. There is a town near Princess Blue's location called "Chocolate Bayou!!" Just odd.

Well, my vote is for P. Lavender or P. Amethyst :twocents:

If no one else objects, can we call her Princess Lavender or P. Lavender for short?

Lion

[sloane]

Unfortunately, as good of a match as "Princess Amethyst" seems to be with Vanessa Schultz, (and that morphed photograph was excellent MrsG!), there is something that doesn't seem quite right to me, too. Vanessa's picture has her head tilted slightly to one side. That's partly why it is not lining up correctly, in which case, it still could be her. BUT. I think it's the mouth area. The dental arches seem off-- Vanessa's top arch seems more rounded (semi-spherical) and P.Amethyst's is quite straight across the first 6, even 8 maxillary teeth. Hers doesn't start curving back until almost the pre-molars.
I know this seems petty and I could be incorrect. I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble. There's always a part of you that wants a match so ppl. can get answers and part of you that doesn't bec. it means someone has to know for sure their loved one is deceased.
What do you guys think?

[LionRun]

Unfortunately, as good of a match as "Princess Amethyst" seems to be with Vanessa Schultz, (and that morphed photograph was excellent MrsG!), there is something that doesn't seem quite right to me, too. Vanessa's picture has her head tilted slightly to one side. That's partly why it is not lining up correctly, in which case, it still could be her. BUT. I think it's the mouth area. The dental arches seem off-- Vanessa's top arch seems more rounded (semi-spherical) and P.Amethyst's is quite straight across the first 6, even 8 maxillary teeth. Hers doesn't start curving back until almost the pre-molars.
I know this seems petty and I could be incorrect. I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble. There's always a part of you that wants a match so ppl. can get answers and part of you that doesn't bec. it means someone has to know for sure their loved one is deceased.
What do you guys think?

I agree, which is why I stated something about it. I understand that it could be explained; but, it may or may not be her. I am a skeptic's skeptic and need cold, hard , proof or evidence as solid and reliable as lead brick.

It is a good match in many ways, and I didn't catch the arch as you did. I saw something off with the orbits, actually. But, I didn't know if it was because of the reasons stated in my post above, or a recon artist inaccuracy, or that it is not Vanessa. Time will tell, and I do think it definitely needed to be turned in. The possibility is there for a match. These of course are just my impressions as an amateur:)

Lion

[sloane]

If no one else objects, can we call her Princess Lavender or P. Lavender for short?

Lion

Sorry, Lion, I missed this little one-liner reply / request from you, and went on to call her "Princess Amethyst," instead. I like "Princess Lavendar" equally. Let's appoint her that nickname until her real one can be uncovered!
Is that alright with everyone?

[LionRun]

No worries sloane:). And, since no one has objected or asked for her to be called by a different name, perhaps we can call her Princess Lavender.

Lion

[MrsG728]

Princess lavender sounds good!
at the rate we're going, we'll need a list of colors from a paint shop! ;)

MG

[richandfamous]

Just got a reply from Karla Mullenax from WJET tv in Erie PA.
She says:
Hello Colleen,

I sent your information to my assignment editor, who in turn sent it to the police. They tell me that they did check out the leads, but it doesn not appear that Vanessa Schultz has been found. But thanks for the tip.

Best,
Karla


dang it. start over? thought we had this one.


crap, this makes me crazy...........
http://markc1.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/crazy_dog.jpg

[sloane]

Hi richandfamous,
Does that mean Vanessa has not been found, like, she has not returned home or been located (alive)...? Or does that mean Vanessa has not been found by this "match?" Does that make sense? Are they saying they still don't know what happened to her bec. they haven't found her, or that she was not a match to the facial reconstruction? The reporter had vague wording...

[richandfamous]

Sloane, your guess is as good as mine.
they did check out the leadswhat leads? It doesn't make sense to me either.
I haven't heard from any LE yet. I am stubbornly sticking with the idea that it is a match. It's just to close. But bear in mind that I am an amature.

[LionRun]

Rich, perhaps we need to know for sure what the reporter meant by what she said. Maybe you can send one more email to her asking specifically if Vanessa was compared to our Kilgore Princess Does and that it was determined by authorities that there was not a match. Otherwise I see sloane's point that we can't be sure what the reporter meant because she was pretty vague.

It is most likely not a match. I am sorry; but, we can continue to try and find out who Princess Lavender is. It is a fairly fresh case, which automatically gives us an advantage.

Lion

[richandfamous]

Ok, one more time. But I would like to hear directly from any one of the LE agencies I contacted with something more specific. Like, we check dna or compared dentals.

I am again exasperated with agencies!
I will send another inquiry to all of the agencies tomorrow when I am less annoyed.

[sloane]

richandfamous-
I understand your frustrations...however, this may help soothe the emotions. Remember I said the info. on Vanessa and the morphed photo was also then sent to the lead whose case she (Princess Lav.) is, and to two other agencies? Well, I will find out for sure if she (your/ jodierenee's submission) was compared or not probably within the week. I am also working on getting them to give me a list of names of the ones already eliminated. I can tell you that they have compared over 40 possibilities since Oct. to the facial recon from tips, call-ins, e-mails, and their own investigation...so they ARE working the case!

Thank you for your persistence and assistance!

[richandfamous]

richandfamous-
I understand your frustrations...however, this may help soothe the emotions. Remember I said the info. on Vanessa and the morphed photo was also then sent to the lead whose case she (Princess Lav.) is, and to two other agencies? Well, I will find out for sure if she (your/ jodierenee's submission) was compared or not probably within the week. I am also working on getting them to give me a list of names of the ones already eliminated. I can tell you that they have compared over 40 possibilities since Oct. to the facial recon from tips, call-ins, e-mails, and their own investigation...so they ARE working the case!

Thank you for your persistence and assistance!

Thanks. I'll be more patient. :D
Would that be Ken Hartley, Gregg County Sheriffs Office? Or is there another "in charge" officer that I don't know about?

[sloane]

Thanks. I'll be more patient. :D
Would that be Ken Hartley, Gregg County Sheriffs Office? Or is there another "in charge" officer that I don't know about?
Happy weekend richandfamous!
Sorry for the delay...I cannot keep up with this as fast as you guys can!

But to answer your question, yes, Capt. Hartley is the current person from Gregg County to work with on P Lavender's case.

:p :p

[LionRun]

Happy weekend richandfamous!
Sorry for the delay...I cannot keep up with this as fast as you guys can!

But to answer your question, yes, Capt. Hartley is the current person from Gregg County to work with on P Lavender's case.

:p :p

Thank you sloane. You are a true sweetheart:blowkiss:.

Let's hope and pray that if Vanessa is no longer with us that Princess Lavender is a match with her. Great research rich, jodierenee, and thank you MrsG for the detailed morph creations!

Lion

[suzannec4444]

Hi
Hi MrsG728.That really was amazing picture.That is very close.I wanted to let you know I sent you a private message here.may I please ask if your student can do one of these morph?pictures on a possible match with my sister who is missing.

suzanne

[richandfamous]

Looks like there's might be some action on this case. This was posted over on the topix forum about an hour ago.



JWag wrote:
As a friend of hers, I recently heard something on the news where they believe it may be her, but they are waiting on dentals?[Sorry - my dad told me the info, and I haven't seen it personally - but he mentioned that they believe it is her because they saw some stuff like photo albums she took with her and stuff at the scene]

I never heard of the photo albums or stuff she took with her being found with the body???

.

[LionRun]

Looks like there's might be some action on this case. This was posted over on the topix forum about an hour ago.



JWag wrote:
As a friend of hers, I recently heard something on the news where they believe it may be her, but they are waiting on dentals?[Sorry - my dad told me the info, and I haven't seen it personally - but he mentioned that they believe it is her because they saw some stuff like photo albums she took with her and stuff at the scene]

I never heard of the photo albums or stuff she took with her being found with the body???

.

Hi rich, can you post the link for this? Thanks so much, friend.

Lion

[richandfamous]

Hi rich, can you post the link for this? Thanks so much, friend.

Lion

http://www.topix.net/forum/city/erie-pa/TQ9CLP0HG1TR6OM2H/p2#lastPost

sorry I forgot the link :D

[LionRun]

http://www.topix.net/forum/city/erie-pa/TQ9CLP0HG1TR6OM2H/p2#lastPost

sorry I forgot the link :D

No worries, dear friend!

Lion

[sloane]

I don't know about you guys, but doesn't that topix thread seem "off" somehow? The posts from Vanessa's "mother" just seem not right. I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, taking into account the incredible grief and helplessness she must be feeling. Maybe she's not very familiar w/ posting either (I know that feeling!) And it seems like there is trouble with not all the posts showing up. But I don't know... my radar is up on the strangeness of several of the posts. What do you guys think?

[LionRun]

I agree sloane, and I just don't know what to make of it. Do you mean the woman claiming to be Mrs. Schultz, only? That is the only person posting that seems a little unusual to me. When she first started posting as if no one else was there, I talked to rich and said perhaps for some reason she was not seeing the new posts from others. Sometimes that happens. But, by now she should be able to see the posts.

Perhaps the person is not well, or it is some impostor playing a sick joke. If I post there I will act as if I am taking the benefit of the doubt and that the woman is not well. This is because if it is her and she is ill, I don't want to be cruel. She has a daughter out there that she can't find.

Lion

[MrsG728]

Hiya Sloane
Yep that's been the general feeling around here- that someone is an imposter. The lack of computer knowledge shouldn't really produce that *blah* of an answer from the mom of a missing girl. Honestly, if someone is computer challenged but still wants to convey their feelings, they can always ask questions or bug a friend to help them do it. My hinkometer was way up on her.

MG

[sloane]

Lion and MrsG.
Good morning to you both!

Okay, good. Some feel the same as I. I got that impression. In general, all around here, (at least the ones that post frequently) seem to usually agree. That's reassuring , at times.

I wish we could get some final news on this case!

[richandfamous]

I don't know about you guys, but doesn't that topix thread seem "off" somehow? The posts from Vanessa's "mother" just seem not right. I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, taking into account the incredible grief and helplessness she must be feeling. Maybe she's not very familiar w/ posting either (I know that feeling!) And it seems like there is trouble with not all the posts showing up. But I don't know... my radar is up on the strangeness of several of the posts. What do you guys think?

Hi sloane, yes, my hinky meter is all the way over on BS. But like Lion when I post over there, I give it the benefit of the doubt.
Then there's the tease from the supposed ex bro in law...BS
But there seems to be a ring of truth with this last poster about the dentals. Hadn't heard about the photo album or "stuff" though. What do you think about that?

[richandfamous]

Ok, guys...tips are rolling in on the topix board!

http://www.topix.net/forum/city/erie-pa/TQ9CLP0HG1TR6OM2H/p4#lastPost
There are two tips on boyfriends...one that graduated from Central in 2006
now goes to PS Behrend.
And some guy named Nick that lived in Meadview and went to Edinberg University. I guess the last one is the 30yr old.

hmmmmmmmmm............

[MissieMt]

just read the topix board, it is definitely very interesting over there.

[Utopia]

just read the topix board, it is definitely very interesting over there.

No kidding! And talk about communication breakdown:doh:

[sloane]

Good Morning all!
No real news here that we don't already know, just thought I would post it for the record. I would really like to ID this young woman. I'm so glad you've highlighted her case here!

http://www.ketknbc.com/news/local/4931171.html

[ihadcabinfever]

http://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase539(a).jpghttp://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase539(b).jpghttp://www.missingkids.com/photographs/NCMC1052249c1.jpg

wow, dang'd if it doesn't look like a match..u guys are good! Ok, who's finding out if this is her? thx
WOW! OMG!

[Jaded]

just read the topix board, it is definitely very interesting over there.

I just read over there, too. Wow is all I can say. I feel so bad for that girl for what she had to endure in her home life.

[richandfamous]

I just read over there, too. Wow is all I can say. I feel so bad for that girl for what she had to endure in her home life.

Hi Jaded, I saw ya over there! Yes, it is developing nicely isn't it?
I'm sad to say that it is all to common these days. But the cops should have done more than just list her as a runaway don't you think? jmo

[richandfamous]

WOW! OMG!

ihadcabinfever, try this one!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y252/mrsgeluso/girl3.gif

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Hi guys, I just finished reading both treads (here and Topix) and what a strange case. First off way to go Jodiereen. You are an incredibly awesome sleuther for picking up on the likeness between this Doe and Vanessa so quickly.

I really wish the Mother & Brother wouldn't have stoped posting, but I can surely understand why they did. I wish that "Transplanted" would not have been so rude to them at first, it was so uncalled for. I doubt they come back now.

Hopefully, this Doe's identy will be discovered quicky.

[sloane]

Okay, am I the only one appalled at all the very personal info. that is being thrown around over on that topix forum, esp. by her bf, or ex-bf, nick? :mad: Does he not understand HOW MANY ppl. could be reading that? Does he really think she would want him splattering all her family horrors for anyone w/ access to a computer to read and speculate upon? IF any or all of it is even true. I understand that he is trying to calm the rumors down and also justify the reasons that Vanessa may have chosen to go away, but now EVERYONE knows and the rumors are going to get even worse. For those of you that post over there, do you think you could politely allude to the idea that he should respect the fact that she confided these things to him and maybe he should honor that trust and maybe even her memory by being respectfully close-lipped?

JMO of course

[sloane]

teonspaleprincess (and others who are interested)-
Have you ever been to the Project Jason site? It seems quite well-put-together, and organized and professional. Well, if you go to their "Unidentifieds" thread, about the 7th topic down is a listing of the unidentified websites for different states. (Maybe you already know of them since you have been preparing that site with every state's unknown site). But, just thought I would tell you that was there as a further resource.;)

thanks for what you are doing...sorry to hear about your job.

[MissieMt]

Wow, I didn't see all of the accusations when I was on there yesterday morning. All I can say is -Ouch- sounds very similar to Deanna's story. Teon, and everyone, ANY way I can help out please let me know. Deanna's case is cold,cold,cold and I would hate to see that happen to Vanessa too.

[MissieMt]

I was able to find some court records, some make me think the accusations are true. not sure if everyone wants me to post a direct link here so just pm me and I will get you a link.

[MissieMt]

I was able to find some court records, some make me think the accusations are true. not sure if everyone wants me to post a direct link here so just pm me and I will get you a link.
Sorry, when I posted this earlier I had not seen that "Team Roxanne" had posted the case numbers on the topix board.
I was wondering if maybe someone should make her a myspace page. Then she could be posted under the alumni, and it might be easier to track down some of her friends. What do you guys think?

[Jaded]

Sorry, when I posted this earlier I had not seen that "Team Roxanne" had posted the case numbers on the topix board.
I was wondering if maybe someone should make her a myspace page. Then she could be posted under the alumni, and it might be easier to track down some of her friends. What do you guys think?

Sounds like a plan. Has anyone done this? If not, I am willing to create it.

[richandfamous]

Sounds like a plan. Has anyone done this? If not, I am willing to create it.


vanessa had a myspace before she went missing but it's been inactive since then. I am sure a myspace for her would help! Thanks Jaded, MissieMt

[MissieMt]

Jaded if your willing to do her myspace, go for it! I really think it could help.

[sloane]

From MissieMt, above - "I was able to find some court records, some make me think the accusations are true. not sure if everyone wants me to post a direct link here so just pm me and I will get you a link."


Thank you, MissieMt, for being respectful to her privacy. I realize, though, that they are public records, so if someone wanted to find them on their own, they could. But it's good of you to not leave it open to possible voyeurism.
thanks

[richandfamous]

Okay, am I the only one appalled at all the very personal info. that is being thrown around over on that topix forum, esp. by her bf, or ex-bf, nick? :mad: Does he not understand HOW MANY ppl. could be reading that? Does he really think she would want him splattering all her family horrors for anyone w/ access to a computer to read and speculate upon? IF any or all of it is even true. I understand that he is trying to calm the rumors down and also justify the reasons that Vanessa may have chosen to go away, but now EVERYONE knows and the rumors are going to get even worse. For those of you that post over there, do you think you could politely allude to the idea that he should respect the fact that she confided these things to him and maybe he should honor that trust and maybe even her memory by being respectfully close-lipped?

JMO of course

Sloane, I respectfully disagree. Generally I would agree that disclosing personal information on a message board is not a good idea but, all the closed lipped treatment of this case has not helped find her. I believe there are some good tips for the cops to follow up on. I think the board has encouraged that and because of these tips, she may be found.

[MissieMt]

Wow, I probably shouldn't comment on this since it hits really close to home. Sorry Sloane, but I can't help but wonder what would have been if people had talked about the things that were going on behind closed doors before my sister went missing.
I just don't understand who we would be protecting by keeping this information quiet.

[sloane]

Yes, rich, I do also agree with what you've said. I too think that LE should have had the info. that nick was sharing, bec. if it is true, obviously it shows reason for her to have left, or perhaps motive for someone else to "help" her leave, as sinister as that sounds. But the WAY in which he was disclosing it was just so candid and unnecessarily graphic for the millions of ppl. who could read it to be privy to.
Should he have been that open w/ LE? In my opinion, absolutely! But not on some random chat board for all to read and treat as gossip. I just think that is being disrespectful to Vanessa. He could have said something as simple as, "emotional and sexual abuse stemming from both households." PPl. get that. The details are really not their business, unless they are part of the case.
Sex crimes records are usually restricted (meaning police reports), so LE could have obtained this info. from nick without it being open for everyone to see. But, I see your point in that court records ARE public. You'll have to fill me in on that more, bec. I'm not up on the laws re: those. Are they public even when the defendant was a juvenile?
thanks,

[sloane]

MissieMt-
Good Morning-
First, you'll have to forgive me bec. I am not familiar w/ Deanna's case. I will take the time to read up on her though! I am truly sorry for how "close to home" this similar situation hits for you. And I am truly sorry that Deanna's case is unresolved and "cold, cold, cold" as you put it.

Please understand...I am NOT saying that what happens behind closed doors of a household should go unnoticed, unchecked, and not talked about. Too, too many times kids suffer because there is no communication and they feel threatened or that there is no one to turn to. I get that and understand it. All I was saying was that the manner in which the topix board was being handled seemed callous to me, but that is just my opinion and one of the problems with these types of communication forums. There is no facial expression, no tone of voice...

I think you and richandfamous make good and valid points in that it DID get ppl. talking (posting) and perhaps bringing forth pertinent info. I see your points as well...thank you for considering mine.

[MissieMt]

Sloane, you are right. It was a very graphic post, and I was not thinking about that when I went on the defensive. I would just really like to see Vanessa found. I think she has friends that really do care, and I hope we can get them all talking before they forget the small details that may be very important. I'm sorry if I was a bit harsh.

[richandfamous]

Sloane, I agree anonminity is important as long as she has not gone missing and possibly the victim of foul play. Whoever supplied the information for NCMEC more than insinuates that Vanessa is a runaway and is with "Nick" in Meadville PA. They forgot to mention all the other circumstances of duress that preceeded her possible demise! I don't blame Nick for coming back at them at all. It seems to me that the EPD has not investigated this case because all of these ppl have not been contacted by them.
So, I am sorry that Vanessa's life has been exposed..(I hope that's the worst of what has happened to her)....but I am not sorry that a pervert is exposed. He has lost that right when he molested a 12yr old girl. And like I have said before, sometimes the intense light of media is what it takes to get LE active on the case. JMO

Repectfully with warm regards,

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

So does Vanessa have a thread here at WS? I did a few searches and didn't find one. Has it been proven that this UID Jane Doe, is not Vanessa? Does any one know for sure? There was talk that maybe this Kilgore, TX teen wasn't her. (On both boards) Has LE confirmed to anyone either way? Maybe Vanessa should have her own thread, so if someone was doing a google on her, she would be easier to find. The focus seems to taken away from who this thread was actually started for.

[richandfamous]

So does Vanessa have a thread here at WS? I did a few searches and didn't find one. Has it been proven that this UID Jane Doe, is not Vanessa? Does any one know for sure? There was talk that maybe this Kilgore, TX teen wasn't her. (On both boards) Has LE confirmed to anyone either way? Maybe Vanessa should have her own thread, so if someone was doing a google on her, she would be easier to find. The focus seems to taken away from who this thread was actually started for.

Hi Interestedwoman, this thread was started for the UID found in Kilgore Texas. Then we matched the UID with Vanessa and we are still waiting to hear from LE. I don't think Vanessa has a thread of her own here. The thread at topix was started to find if anyone knew Vanessa.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Hi Interestedwoman, this thread was started for the UID found in Kilgore Texas. Then we matched the UID with Vanessa and we are still waiting to hear from LE. I don't think Vanessa has a thread of her own here. The thread at topix was started to find if anyone knew Vanessa.

Right, I do understand that. Has LE actually even started a DNA test? Has anyone followed up on it? That's my point. Does Vanessa even have a DNA sample on file with CODIS? It appears that several people have been in contact with LE, but have they ever actually said the test are underway.?

[richandfamous]

Right, I do understand that. Has LE actually even started a DNA test? Has anyone followed up on it? That's my point. Does Vanessa even have a DNA sample on file with CODIS? It appears that several people have been in contact with LE, but have they ever actually said the test are underway.?

Well, I am the one that sent all the proper agencies the information. Several Times! (NCMEC, EPD, Kilgore authorities Greene County, Texas DPS missing) and Karla Mullenax at WJET TV in Erie PA.
I have NOT heard anything from any of the agencies however, I did get an email from Karla Mullenax and she says the cops won't tell her anything either.

eta; texas dps site: Positive identification of this deceased person can only be made through DNA or dental comparison.

Nothing about dna or dentals is mentioned concerning Vanessa.

[Jaded]

Has TX responded back to you? This is so frustrating.

[richandfamous]

Has TX responded back to you? This is so frustrating.

NO! That may be the reason I am so annoyed. lol

[Jaded]

Can't say that I blame you. As an FYI, I started a subforum over at someoneknows me for this case -- I'm going to crosspost the uid info if no one minds.

[LionRun]

Thank you Jaded:).

Lion

[richandfamous]

Can't say that I blame you. As an FYI, I started a subforum over at someoneknows me for this case -- I'm going to crosspost the uid info if no one minds.

cool beans! thank you!

[sloane]

Has TX responded back to you? This is so frustrating.
Hi everyone-
Happy Mother's Day to all (moms, stepmoms, grandmoms, aunts, fostermoms, dog moms, cat moms, horse moms, all of you!):angel:

Yes, LE has been working on the Princess Lavender / Vanessa Schultz connection since the day they received it as a tip. (NICE JOB, you guys!)Yes, they have tests underway. Yes, they have been in touch with people involved in the investigation (esp. Erie PD). I haven't posted about it bec. it is not a final forensic result they are ready to make public, but I can tell you that it is almost certainly NOT VANESSA. The breifest of looks through comparing the dentals tells that to be the case, BUT they have sent both ladies' dentals for official forensic analysis, to be absolutely sure.

Sooo...if you would like to keep searching for Vanessa, maybe we should put her in a separate thread. And Please, please, please keep searching for P. Lav's match! I'm glad she is not Vanessa, but she is SOMEONE, and she needs to be identified!

Thanks to all for your research and diligence!

warmly,

[LionRun]

Thank you for the update dear sloane:).

Lion

[sloane]

Sloane, you are right. It was a very graphic post, and I was not thinking about that when I went on the defensive. I would just really like to see Vanessa found. I think she has friends that really do care, and I hope we can get them all talking before they forget the small details that may be very important. I'm sorry if I was a bit harsh.
Not at all, MissieMt...:) you are allowed to say what you want and what you feel...everyone is! That is what type of forum this is, and it seems that everyone has an understanding of that here, and hopefully a respect for it. I am not confrontational, and others' opinions do not aggravate me...I feel that I can learn from them. We all come from different backgrounds with varying types of expertise, experiences, and info., which is why we all have different things to offer.

It is easy for onlookers (or readers) to assume that LE "isn't doing anything," or HASN't done anything, but if they're not behind the scenes, how do they really know? The only know what has been made public. Admittedly that can be very little at times, and VERY FRUSTRATING!!:banghead:
There is a common saying going around, or even posted in offices that reads, "They only remember what we [LE] don't do." Which is a good reminder for them to put themselves in the general public's shoes...to see things from our points of view.

warmly,

[sloane]

Thank you for the update dear sloane:).

Lion
HIYA LION!! :blowkiss:

Happy Mum's Day! How's the gang?

[LionRun]

Happy Mother's Day sloane!:blowkiss:.

Happy Mother's Day to each of you!

Perhaps once we get a confirmation that Princess Lavender is not Vanessa we can begin a thread just for Vanessa.

Lion

[MissieMt]

Happy Mother's day to all of you. And please, pray for the Mom's who don't know where their child is tonight.

[sloane]

Absolutely, MissieMt!
You said it! I just got chills reading that...:(
the poor family members and friends of those who are missing...
You are in our thoughts, that's why we're here.

with best regards,

[MissieMt]

Absolutely, MissieMt!
You said it! I just got chills reading that...:(
the poor family members and friends of those who are missing...
You are in our thoughts, that's why we're here.

with best regards,

Your right Sloane, that's why we are here. And I'm grateful for every one here, it's a bit off topic, but I've been able to accomplish so much stuff since I started Deanna's thread just over a month ago (if I do say so myself). It's absolutely amazing in my opinion, and I know without the guidance of people here I wouldn't have known what to do.

[MissieMt]

Bumping for Vannessa:(

[Jaded]

Bumping for Vannessa:(

Any news on this? I haven't had a chance lately to follow up on the topix board, or someoneknowsme.com (how bad is that LOL). Just wondering if LE has proven or disproved the ID of this UID.

[MissieMt]

I haven't heard anything else, except whats posted on those 3 sites. It's been very quiet on topix

[TCMom]

Hi I'm (sort of) new here. I've been reading your forums for quite awhile and finally registered.

Here's my suggestion on Princess L.

Brandi Wells went missing in August of 06. The stats are quite similar...she might be a little shorter than Princess L. Someone could have kept her and then dumped her two months later.

Longview to Kilgore is only 11 miles. Surely, LE would've checked this connection. I don't have daylight hours to contact Longview LE to make sure. If anyone else wants to make this suggestion feel free.

BRANDI WELLS
Missing Since: August 2, 2006
Age: 23
Missing From: Graham Central Station nightclub in Longview
Sex: female
Height: 4ft. 11in.
Weight: 120 lbs.
Eye Color: blue
Hair Color: blonde, shoulder length
Race: White
Birth Date: November 28, 1982
http://www.lrcf.net/photos/Brandi
http://www.lrcf.net/photos/BrandiWells
Clothing Description: high heel sandles, rust colored Gaucho pants, dark, floral print tube top with a v cut over the hip
On the morning of August 3rd, Brandi's car, a black 2000 Grand Prix was found parked along I-20 westbound just outside of Longview, Texas. It was about 300 yards west of FM 2087. If you saw her car that morning and remember seeing anyone near the car please call the Longview Police Department or the Laura Recovery Center. Brandi's family is desperately searching for her.

http://www.lrcf.net/missing/BrandiWe...andiWells.html (http://www.lrcf.net/missing/BrandiWells/BrandiWells.html)

[richandfamous]

welcome TCmom. I will check Brandi against the transparencies of the Kilgore doe/Princess L when I get home. Thanks

[RKnowley]

Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere in this long thread.

Missing Endangered Teen
Jessica Jines
Houston, TX.

See link below for picture of Jessica Jines

http://www.texasequusearch.org/images_missingpersons/JessicaJines.jpg


Missing Since: 1/19/06 Thurs 11:30am
Age: 17
Missing From: Pryor, OK
Sex: Female
Height: 5 ft. 3 in.
Weight: 120 lbs.
Eye Color: Blue
Hair Color: Blonde/long
Race: Caucasian
Complexion: Medium
Birth Date: 7/13/88
Last Seen: Jessica left the Thunderbird Youth Academy located at Park St & Elliott in Pryor, OK on Thursday, January 19, 2006 at 11:30am. It is believed she is hitchhiking her way back home to Houston, TX. She is wearing green sweat pants, red t-shirt, and a green jacket that all have the school's logo:




http://www.texasequusearch.org/missing_persons/JessicaJines.htm

[richandfamous]

Hi I'm (sort of) new here. I've been reading your forums for quite awhile and finally registered.

Here's my suggestion on Princess L.

Brandi Wells went missing in August of 06. The stats are quite similar...she might be a little shorter than Princess L. Someone could have kept her and then dumped her two months later.

Longview to Kilgore is only 11 miles. Surely, LE would've checked this connection. I don't have daylight hours to contact Longview LE to make sure. If anyone else wants to make this suggestion feel free.

BRANDI WELLS
Missing Since: August 2, 2006
Age: 23
Missing From: Graham Central Station nightclub in Longview
Sex: female
Height: 4ft. 11in.
Weight: 120 lbs.
Eye Color: blue
Hair Color: blonde, shoulder length
Race: White
Birth Date: November 28, 1982
http://www.lrcf.net/photos/Brandi
http://www.lrcf.net/photos/BrandiWells
Clothing Description: high heel sandles, rust colored Gaucho pants, dark, floral print tube top with a v cut over the hip
On the morning of August 3rd, Brandi's car, a black 2000 Grand Prix was found parked along I-20 westbound just outside of Longview, Texas. It was about 300 yards west of FM 2087. If you saw her car that morning and remember seeing anyone near the car please call the Longview Police Department or the Laura Recovery Center. Brandi's family is desperately searching for her.

http://www.lrcf.net/missing/BrandiWe...andiWells.html (http://www.lrcf.net/missing/BrandiWells/BrandiWells.html)

I checked Brandi against a transparency of the Kilgore UID and it is NOT a match. Brandi's mouth is much closer to her nose. Sorry, good to check though....

[LionRun]

Wow RKnowley! Jessica looks like and fits the description of Princess Lavender! The only thing is the timeline. She would have have to have been somewhere for ten months before being killed. But, that is possible, for example if she decided to run away and found a place to stay instead of going back to Houston. Or she may have been abducted and kept alive for ten months, which is less likely but possible.

Lion

[RKnowley]

Lion, Hmmmph! I thought I would just throw her out there because she does fit the description of Princess Lavender. She could have ran away and found "so called friends" while hitching a ride to Houston, TX and stayed with them for awhile and something happened then or maybe she decided to start hitching again (to Houston) and something happened to her then. It most likely isn't her but it could be one of those "zebras" we all know about :eek:

ETA: If she was hitching a ride she was probably carrying other articles of clothing with her.


Wow RKnowley! Jessica looks like and fits the description of Princess Lavender! The only thing is the timeline. She would have have to have been somewhere for ten months before being killed. But, that is possible, for example if she decided to run away and found a place to stay instead of going back to Houston. Or she may have been abducted and kept alive for ten months, which is less likely but possible.

Lion

[MissieMt]

Good find Rknowley, she is a very good match!

[richandfamous]

Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere in this long thread.

Missing Endangered Teen
Jessica Jines
Houston, TX.

See link below for picture of Jessica Jines

http://www.texasequusearch.org/images_missingpersons/JessicaJines.jpg


Missing Since: 1/19/06 Thurs 11:30am
Age: 17
Missing From: Pryor, OK
Sex: Female
Height: 5 ft. 3 in.
Weight: 120 lbs.
Eye Color: Blue
Hair Color: Blonde/long
Race: Caucasian
Complexion: Medium
Birth Date: 7/13/88
Last Seen: Jessica left the Thunderbird Youth Academy located at Park St & Elliott in Pryor, OK on Thursday, January 19, 2006 at 11:30am. It is believed she is hitchhiking her way back home to Houston, TX. She is wearing green sweat pants, red t-shirt, and a green jacket that all have the school's logo:




http://www.texasequusearch.org/missing_persons/JessicaJines.htm


did the transparency on this one..sorry no match at all.

[RKnowley]

Thank you MissieMt. Though probably not her she is still at least a POSSIBLE in my mind (what little there is of it :D ).

Good find Rknowley, she is a very good match!

[chinakatt00]

How about Jacquelyn Mohan as a possibility?
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1054239&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

[Sable]

This one's a long shot, but what about Rachel Cooke?
http://rachelcookesearch.org/slides/rachel07.jpg
Name: Rachel Cooke
Missing Since: January 10, 2002
at 11:00 AM
Age: 20
Missing From: Home in North Lake Area,
Georgetown, Texas
Sex: female
Height: 5 ft 2 in
Weight: 120
Eye Color: hazel
Hair Color: blonde with auburn streaks
Race: white
Complexion: fair
Birth Date: May 10, 1982

[RKnowley]

Quoting myself here since I could not edit my post.

I just wanted to let you know that Jessica Jines was located and returned home safely to her family.

Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere in this long thread.

Missing Endangered Teen
Jessica Jines
Houston, TX.

See link below for picture of Jessica Jines

http://www.texasequusearch.org/images_missingpersons/JessicaJines.jpg


Missing Since: 1/19/06 Thurs 11:30am
Age: 17
Missing From: Pryor, OK
Sex: Female
Height: 5 ft. 3 in.
Weight: 120 lbs.
Eye Color: Blue
Hair Color: Blonde/long
Race: Caucasian
Complexion: Medium
Birth Date: 7/13/88
Last Seen: Jessica left the Thunderbird Youth Academy located at Park St & Elliott in Pryor, OK on Thursday, January 19, 2006 at 11:30am. It is believed she is hitchhiking her way back home to Houston, TX. She is wearing green sweat pants, red t-shirt, and a green jacket that all have the school's logo:




http://www.texasequusearch.org/missing_persons/JessicaJines.htm

[angelwngs]

Quoting myself here since I could not edit my post.

I just wanted to let you know that Jessica Jines was located and returned home safely to her family.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

Wonderful News! A Good Outcome, for a change! :)

[MissieMt]

Well that's some good news!! Not something you see too much on UID threads.

[LionRun]

Thank God! I love to hear good news!

Lion

[richandfamous]

Hi everyone-
Happy Mother's Day to all (moms, stepmoms, grandmoms, aunts, fostermoms, dog moms, cat moms, horse moms, all of you!):angel:

Yes, LE has been working on the Princess Lavender / Vanessa Schultz connection since the day they received it as a tip. (NICE JOB, you guys!)Yes, they have tests underway. Yes, they have been in touch with people involved in the investigation (esp. Erie PD). I haven't posted about it bec. it is not a final forensic result they are ready to make public, but I can tell you that it is almost certainly NOT VANESSA. The breifest of looks through comparing the dentals tells that to be the case, BUT they have sent both ladies' dentals for official forensic analysis, to be absolutely sure.

Sooo...if you would like to keep searching for Vanessa, maybe we should put her in a separate thread. And Please, please, please keep searching for P. Lav's match! I'm glad she is not Vanessa, but she is SOMEONE, and she needs to be identified!

Thanks to all for your research and diligence!

warmly,

"that it is almost certainly NOT VANESSA"

I have to go on record here and say that if LE is saying that, I say, BS.
The recon and Vanessa's photo is a match as far as I'm concerned until I have proof that it is not. I have no idea why LE is taking this stance but I suppose someday we will know.

[jodierenee]

i still wish unidentified people had their own forum under "Missing". :(

Anyway..i was looking up the Brandi Wells case and she was ruled out as being our unidentified, so we know for sure it's not her.

If it's not vanessa, it still is someone, so i'll keep looking!

[StillHoping]

I was thinking Tonya Yvonne Davis missing from Dallas, TX 6.12.02. Obviously that would mean she was alive for a few years after going missing. But the mouth area is what stood out for me.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/mpdetails.asp?id='M12/13/20021:56:42PM'

[sloane]

Good Morning StillHoping!
(I like your on-line name, btw)

I agree that some things about Tonya stuck out to me as well, mainly the hair color and consistency, of course. But also her face shape a little. However, it says that she has a chipped front tooth, and P. Lavender (the Kilgore Doe)'s teeth are perfect, literally. So I'm afraid these two would not match.
But THANK YOU for posting...we need more ideas for this young woman, more "possibles," so I am asking for WSers help to look for missing girls who may be a fit.

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!:clap:

warmly,

[StillHoping]

:woohoo: Good Morning StillHoping!
(I like your on-line name, btw)

I agree that some things about Tonya stuck out to me as well, mainly the hair color and consistency, of course. But also her face shape a little. However, it says that she has a chipped front tooth, and P. Lavender (the Kilgore Doe)'s teeth are perfect, literally. So I'm afraid these two would not match.
But THANK YOU for posting...we need more ideas for this young woman, more "possibles," so I am asking for WSers help to look for missing girls who may be a fit.

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!:clap:

warmly,
Thanks. I'm happy to be here, helping any way I can. I can't believe there are so many UID's out there that nobody has claimed. I try to consider people who aren't exact matches because I figure something has to be off for these people to not have been claimed yet. Princess Lavendar will forever be on my mind until she is ID'd. I will soon be starting a thread for another who I have often thought of Salt Lake City Doe. Hope you'll come post. Thanks for being so welcoming.

[sloane]

Hello again,
If anyone has even an IDEA of who they think this facial reconstruction resembles, (Besides Vanessa Schultz, it is not her), please submit your thoughts here. We are actively still searching for this Princess Lavender's ID and appreciate your input. I know some of you spend a lot of time looking around all the missing sites, and may come across something new or unseen before...

Please keep in mind that her teeth are PERFECT, meaning: straight, white, no cavities or fillings or missing teeth! A beautiful smile indeed.

Thank you so much!

[LionRun]

Hello again,
If anyone has even an IDEA of who they think this facial reconstruction resembles, (Besides Vanessa Schultz, it is not her), please submit your thoughts here. We are actively still searching for this Princess Lavender's ID and appreciate your input. I know some of you spend a lot of time looking around all the missing sites, and may come across something new or unseen before...

Please keep in mind that her teeth are PERFECT, meaning: straight, white, no cavities or fillings or missing teeth! A beautiful smile indeed.

Thank you so much!

Hi sloane:). As you know I always have Princess Lavender on my mind, and I will submit a possible match if ever I find one.

Do you know if it is possible to tell if a person's teeth are straight due to braces or naturally? It is unusual that she has perfect teeth. Too bad Greta or Nancy can't put that on their shows. It is so uncommon for someone to have no cavities and perfectly straight teeth in excellent condition--it would stand out!

Lion

[StillHoping]

Just a thought about Princess Lavender.

Perhaps there is a connection to Hurricane Katrina. SO many people relocated to Texas after that, and I'm sure there are people who got seperated who still haven't found each other. Maybe she "went missing" during Katrina and so there are no recent missing reports for her.

[RKnowley]

Most likely not this girl but thought I'd post her anyhow. She is a little taller than Princess Lavender and a couple other things are off but they mention perfectly straight white teeth so I thought I'd throw her into the mix.
Jessica Edith Louise Foster

Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance

Missing Since: March 29, 2006 from Las Vegas, Nevada
Classification: Endangered Missing
Date Of Birth: May 27, 1984
Age: 21
Height: 5'6"-5'7"
Weight: 110-130 lbs.
Hair Color: Blonde
Eye Color: Hazel
Race: White
Gender: Female
Distinguishing Characteristics: Pierced right eyebrow,
several ear piercings, no known scars or tattoos, long hair.
Perfectly straight, white teeth. Vegetarian. Jewelry: Ring in the shape of a triangle full of little
diamonds, with matching earrings, and a three-diamond
princess-cut ring, sometimes wears a dainty nose ring. AKA: "Jessie"

Case Number: 06-9384

Details of Disappearance
Jessie moved to Las Vegas in May 2005, met a rich man, and moved in with him within a month or so. Less than one year later, she mysteriously vanished. Her parents talked to her March 28 and said, "talk to you tomorrow", but they have never heard from her again. It turns our her rich boyfriend is not a trust fund baby, as he told her and her family; he is actually a violent pimp with an estranged wife, who is a convicted prostitute, and who has many times threatened Jessie and Jessie's life.

The boyfriend was known to beat Jessica, but her family was unable to get her to leave him. They later found out that he was forcing her into the escort business, which was discovered after she disappeared and her family hired a PI.


One of the last things that Jessie told her older sister, Crystal, during the last phone call was that she was packing and ready to leave the man. Crystal warned her to make sure he did not find out, but Jessie said she thought he already knew. Her family never heard back from her again. The police do not have any evidence of foul play at this time, but her family believes otherwise.
Fingerprints and dental records are available.

Investigating Agency
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
North Las Vegas Police Department
Det. Dave Molnar
(702) 633-1779


Source Information
The Family of Jessie Foster
Jessie Foster (http://www.jessiefoster.ca/)
Find Jessie Foster.com (http://www.findjessiefoster.com/)

[sloane]

Thank you so much, RKnowley and Stillhoping, for your replies to this thread. I feel we are close, somehow, in resolving this case...remember I told you guys that they are actually further along in the CRIME of this situation, than they are in discovering her identity...? I don't think they'll be able to find out her name from the person(s) involved in her death, so it will be up to other means to uncover who she is.

I agree that it could be possible she was in TX somehow bec. of the Katrina chaos, and you're right, Stillhoping, that she could easily have been misplaced and a missing report never went out on her, or the two haven't been connected.

I also was very interested in the post about the missing woman from Vegas, Jessie. I haven't had time to read through everything there is on-line about her...wow! Have you looked through it? There is a LOT! It's also frustrating to me how some girls get SOOO much attn. and others get hardly ANY. Have you ever noticed it's usually the "pretty" (by society's uneducated standards) ones that get the press? :razz: Aaaagh! Sorry...a little venting...

Anyway, good job, RKnowley. There are many similar characteristics and I'll see what can be done to compare them. Even though there are LOTS of photos available of Jessica, hardly any photos of her straight teeth are CLEAR, for me to really get a good look at them. Obviously it would be compared scientifically anyway. but of course, I was just anxious to see for myself! ;)

Again, thank you, thank you. Anyone else who comes across "possibles", please post them. Your work is much appreciated! :innocent:

[jodierenee]

good tip on jessica foster...I think she matches up pretty well and her teeth are perfect. She needs to be looked into more. i'm not sure how she would've gotten down to Kilgore, TX, but there have been weirder things happen!

[sloane]

Well, part of the website about her specifically talks about her travels (NY, CAlif., Fla), and also how those decisions seemed to be made rather quickly, so maybe she decided to give Tx a try. Her goal could have been a more "glamorous" city to start with, say, Dallas or Houston. Good question as to how she would get to Kilgore, but if she befriended someone and traveled with them...

[RKnowley]

Sloane,

I certainly did read all about Jessie Foster on her website and the media coverage links they have up. That poor girl. You are right though in wondering when these young girls will learn. I also agree with you about certain girls getting so much media coverage and others none at all. It does seem like media covers the "pretty girl" stories much more than others. I guess they believe it's what the public wants? I dunno. It is sad.

I have been trying to find a picture of Jessie that shows her teeth more clearly. I will let you know if I find any.

Take Care!

[jodierenee]

has anyone considered Michelle Prasek?

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/prasek_michelle.html

[jodierenee]

or Samantha Skaggs?http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=R0601001&orgPrefix=TXCH&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

[LionRun]

has anyone considered Michelle Prasek?

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/prasek_michelle.html

I see a vague resemblance, but unless Michelle didn't grow much after the age of 12(possible), and she became quite trim compared with her weight at 12, I don't think she is a match.

One thing we want to keep in mind is that Princess Lavender had perfectly straight teeth with no cavities. This in itself is uncommon. If we see a young lady missing with the right age and description we may want to do further research to see if whomever that poor missing girl is had perfect teeth. That would be a good lead. You would think that at a missing site a family member would have given such stand out info to get it onto the sites, but that is not always the case. Even Princess Lavender's site didn't describe her teeth as perfect--and they did poet mortem exam.

I think this case is solvable, and I think there is just something small missing. I don't know what it is, but I think she will be ID'd if we just keep trying. LE is working hard to solve this, and I know they care about ID'ng her and catching the slime that killed her.

Lion

[MoonBug]

I had contacted the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children by phone as well to let them know of the similarities of the photo of Vanessa to the unidentified female. The lady on the phone told me if there's any further questions needing to be answered, the case manager of Vanessa will call me. I figured if I can't locate my missing sister at the moment. I will help find another missing sister of another family.

[sloane]

Hi MoonBug!
Welcome to the thread...I'm so sorry that personal circumstances are what has you interested in helping here. Does your sister have a thread here on WS?

Thank you for submitting Vanessa's info. to the NCMEC. It's nice to know there are so many caring ppl. out there trying to work on these cases. Have they gotten back with you about anything? I'm sure if you've read through this whole thread, you know that we (I think one of the persons was richandfamous) submitted the same info. to LE as well.

Have you come across any others that have similar features and stats?

thanks,

[LionRun]

I had contacted the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children by phone as well to let them know of the similarities of the photo of Vanessa to the unidentified female. The lady on the phone told me if there's any further questions needing to be answered, the case manager of Vanessa will call me. I figured if I can't locate my missing sister at the moment. I will help find another missing sister of another family.

Hi Moonbug:). Thank you for caring about Princess Lavender. Do you have a thread here for your missing sister? If not, perhaps we can start one. I will do a search and see if there is already a thread.

Lion

[RKnowley]

MoonBug,

First of all, welcome to websleuths. I am sorry you come here because of your missing sister. We would like to invite you to someoneknowsme.com where we could set up a forum to discuss the details of your sister's disappearance. I think it is very important to get your sister's information out there on as many sites as possible. Has she had any media coverage? Let us know if there is anything that we can do to try and help get the word out about her.

I had contacted the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children by phone as well to let them know of the similarities of the photo of Vanessa to the unidentified female. The lady on the phone told me if there's any further questions needing to be answered, the case manager of Vanessa will call me. I figured if I can't locate my missing sister at the moment. I will help find another missing sister of another family.

[RKnowley]

On Jessie Foster's page on the National Center of Missing Adults (NCMA)website and it lists among the indentifying characteristics that Jessie Foster had caps on her teeth so this most likely rules her out as being Princess Lavender.

Here is her NCMA page: http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200705092S



I also was very interested in the post about the missing woman from Vegas, Jessie. I haven't had time to read through everything there is on-line about her...wow! Have you looked through it? There is a LOT! It's also frustrating to me how some girls get SOOO much attn. and others get hardly ANY. Have you ever noticed it's usually the "pretty" (by society's uneducated standards) ones that get the press? :razz: Aaaagh! Sorry...a little venting...

Anyway, good job, RKnowley. There are many similar characteristics and I'll see what can be done to compare them. Even though there are LOTS of photos available of Jessica, hardly any photos of her straight teeth are CLEAR, for me to really get a good look at them. Obviously it would be compared scientifically anyway. but of course, I was just anxious to see for myself! ;)

Again, thank you, thank you. Anyone else who comes across "possibles", please post them. Your work is much appreciated! :innocent:

[MoonBug]

Hi MoonBug!
Welcome to the thread...I'm so sorry that personal circumstances are what has you interested in helping here. Does your sister have a thread here on WS?

Thank you for submitting Vanessa's info. to the NCMEC. It's nice to know there are so many caring ppl. out there trying to work on these cases. Have they gotten back with you about anything? I'm sure if you've read through this whole thread, you know that we (I think one of the persons was richandfamous) submitted the same info. to LE as well.

Have you come across any others that have similar features and stats?

thanks,
Yes, I have and it can be found at this link http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50694 I haven't heard anyone from NCMEC not as of yet. I keep my home and cell phone nearby me always just in case. I would do anything I possible can to help another family find their missing love one. I know their pain and all. If I can ease one suffering, I do feel better. Maybe one day the favor will be returned.

[LionRun]

On Jessie Foster's page on the National Center of Missing Adults (NCMA)website and it lists among the indentifying characteristics that Jessie Foster had caps on her teeth so this most likely rules her out as being Princess Lavender.

Here is her NCMA page: http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200705092S

Thank you RKnowley:). I think we can be sure that Jessie is not our Princess Lavender. Princess Lavender had perfect, straight, natural teeth with no cavities. Thank you for looking that up!

Lion

[LionRun]

Yes, I have and it can be found at this link http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50694 I haven't heard anyone from NCMEC not as of yet. I keep my home and cell phone nearby me always just in case. I would do anything I possible can to help another family find their missing love one. I know their pain and all. If I can ease one suffering, I do feel better. Maybe one day the favor will be returned.

Hi Moonbug:). I am sorry that your sister is missing, and I read your thread earlier. I will post over there. Thank you for the link, and I am glad it was the one I thought it was.

Lion

[sloane]

Hi sloane:). As you know I always have Princess Lavender on my mind, and I will submit a possible match if ever I find one.

Do you know if it is possible to tell if a person's teeth are straight due to braces or naturally? It is unusual that she has perfect teeth. Too bad Greta or Nancy can't put that on their shows. It is so uncommon for someone to have no cavities and perfectly straight teeth in excellent condition--it would stand out!

Lion
So sorry it took me so long to get back to this post...
Well, the short answer is no, I don't personally know how to determine just by looking at the UID's teeth or their dental charts (CHARTS, not x-rays) how to determine if they had orthodontic care in their lifetime. BUT...often it is on the reports I rec'v. that a forensic odontologist has notated from THEIR exam. Usually that info. is paired w/ documentation, like, they can tell where teeth may have been pulled to allow more room for the teeth to spread out, or jaw re-alignment procedures have been completed over time to correct irregular bite patterns, etc. If one is looking at a lifetime of x-rays from a person who is missing that they are trying to compare, they can check for changes to the roots over the years.
As far as it being rare to have "perfect" straight, white teeth w/ no fillings and no orthodontic work...well, I happen to have been one of those persons until my mid-twenties! :p I don't know why...it certainly wasn't genetics! But I just didn't have any straightening needed, and didn't have a cavity until my twenties. I didn't really think of it as rare. Maybe it is...you know how it is if you live with somehting, it just seems normal for you!
Such seems to be the case with P. Lav. as well. They put her as closer to the lower end of the 17-22 age range, w/ great teeth.

[sloane]

On Jessie Foster's page on the National Center of Missing Adults (NCMA)website and it lists among the indentifying characteristics that Jessie Foster had caps on her teeth so this most likely rules her out as being Princess Lavender.

Here is her NCMA page: http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200705092S
Thank you RKnowley, for looking into this further!! That site has better pics of her teeth that are clearer, and it appears that Jessie's front teeth are not STRAIGHT across their bottoms (biting surfaces), like P. Lav's. are. And they seem bigger. Those two things, combined w/ the statement of Jessie having caps, make me agree that Jessie is probably not the match. But sometimes those sites are incorrect. I rmbr. reading through suzannec4444's posts about her missing sister, Tammy Leggert, and she said that different sites would post different things about the teeth that they never confirmed from family members. :confused: suzannec never knew why they did that. They also listed Tammy's teeth as perfect in one site, btw.

[LionRun]

So sorry it took me so long to get back to this post...
Well, the short answer is no, I don't personally know how to determine just by looking at the UID's teeth or their dental charts (CHARTS, not x-rays) how to determine if they had orthodontic care in their lifetime. BUT...often it is on t