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Case File 137UFTX

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Victim's Ring
Unidentified White / Hispanic Female


The victim was discovered on September 10, 1990 in Brazoria County, Texas.
Estimated Date of Death: 6 months - 1 year
Vital Statistics


Estimated age: 16 - 22 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 4'10" - 5'2"
Distinguishing Characteristics: The victim possibly had a tumor on her knee.
Dentals: Dental information available
DNA: IN CODIS
Jewelry: A gold band with 6 clear stones, 2 thin silver bands, a silver band with a scroll design, a Robert E. Lee High School ring (1975), a silver ring with a turquoise unicorn and a pearl-beaded bracelet.http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/137UFTX1.jpg http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/137UFTX2.jpg
Victim's Rings
Case History
The victim was located on a pile of debris at the end of a Brazoria County road on September 10, 1990
The skeleton was found by an Alvin man who had pulled off the highway to find a place to urinate. He stepped behind a barricade and saw a skull in an old tire.
Authorities beleive the rings are the clue to solving the case. Three rings were on the skeleton's fingers. One was silver with a scroll design, another had a turquoise unicorn on it. But investigators think the 1975 Lee High School ring probably has the best chance of leading to her identity. A jeweler told investigators the ring was a size 9 1/2 and had been resized twice. The person it fit was probably about 175 pounds. She would have been far too young for the 1975 class ring to be hers. It could have been given to her by an aunt, an older sister, by anybody.
The company that made Lee High School's rings doesn't have records from 1975. The Lee class of 1975 probably had about 150 girls. Authorities would like to hear from any of the girls who lost a ring or gave it to somebody else. An ornate "L" inlaid in the blue stone could have stood for the owner's last name or for Lee High School.
No traces of drugs were found in the bone marrow.



Do you think the police have thought to post about this on somewhere like classmates.com, where they have message boards for the alumni? Maybe whoever owned the ring will recognize it? I made up an account at that school, my first name being Couldthisring last name Belongtoyou. In my profile, I explained who I was and what I was looking for and left my email address for anyone who may have info. I only saw 3 people with last name starting with "L". I amtempted to email all three.

[Jaded]

You might want to post something on the myspace group for that particular high school.

[teonspaleprincess]

Thanks Jaded, I will do that also. It is so frustrating that this case has went unsolved for so long.

[LionRun]

Teons, you may have found another solvable case. Is there anything we can do to help you in your search?

Lion

[MrsG728]

you are amazing! Such a good eye for this. I just re-looked the details of the case and I can't believe they don't have a record of the rings from that year :(
I am thinking that maybe this ring could have belonged to the parent of the young girl wearing it? My aunt graduated in 1975, and she could have been old enough to be my mom.

I wonder how many Lee High School girls in 1975 would have ordered the exact ring. Also, according to my aunt, back in the 1970's the guys and girls rings were basically the same big oval ring. Not like today where girls can order dainty little things- she described them as big and bulky. I'd rule out that this was a guy's ring sized down to a girl's.


MG

[Azlaw]

Nevermind, wrong info.

[Azlaw]

my searching led me to an interesting thread on another UID Texas woman.
http://icaremissingpersonscoldcases.yuku.com/forum/viewtopic/id/743

doenetwork.us/cases/55uftx.html

[LionRun]

I am curious to know what size the ring was originally. It was re sized twice according to a jeweler. It's final size when found on this Princess Doe was 9 1/2. And, it appears to be a lady's ring. I remember that the difference between the men's and lady's rings was subtle back then; but, I think the band on the lady's ring was narrower than on a man's ring.

Why not pose the question to the alumni group from that high school and ask about the ornate, "L". For example, did anyone who ordered a plain ring also have the ornate, "L" inscribed on the inside even though their initials have no, "L"? If so, than all that "L" might just stand for Lee. But, if we find someone who has a plain ring with nothing in it, then that ornate, "L" might stand for someones name. We can ask about the rings in general. For example, how does a lady's ring differ from a man's ring, in general.

Does anyone out there have a high school ring from around the year 1975(from any high school) to compare? If so, can you post a pic and state if it is a lady's, man's, and if it was custom designed or standard. Thanks sleuthers.

Lion

[RKnowley]

Can anyone tell what type of design is on the sides of the Lee High School ring? Is it just the class year?

[RKnowley]

I've been looking around on Ebay at high school rings and I've seen a few that have the first letter of the school it is under the stone. Such as for Pickens High School it has the "P" under the stone and then there is another for Davis High School has a "D" under the stone. There was another I don't recall right now but it's very possible that the ornate "L" under the Lee High School ring just stood for Lee High School.

[LionRun]

Hi RKnowly. In 1990, Robert E. Lee High School changed its name to Lee High School. However, in 1975, I would have thought that if someone wanted the initial of their school it would have been more likely to be an "R" instead of an, "L". What are your thoughts on that?

Also, I found an alumni list for Robert E. Lee High School in Houston TX, and I am quite sure it is the correct school. There were only 10 or so names on it; however, I emailed what is below to each one. In addition, my sister found the person in charge of reunions (at least up until 1975). That person would likely have a list of most if not all who graduated in 1975. She is emailing her the info below, too.

This is what is being sent to all alumi I can find and to the person in charge of reunions:
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Hello. I am emailing each of you from an alumni list I tracked down on the internet from Robert E. Lee High School, Houston. I belong to Websleuths, an armchair sleuthing forum. We have come across an unidentified girl or young woman who was wearing a 1975 Robert E. Lee High School ring. She was discovered in Brazoria County, South of Houston in 1990 and was estimated to be between the ages of 16 and 22. Therefor she was too young to have attended your High School.
However, the high school ring this Princess Doe was wearing when she was found was in fact originally owned by someone in your graduating class of 1975. We believe that it is possible that whomever it was from your class who originally owned this ring may be the key to this Princess Doe's identity. Please feel free to visit us to read what we are trying to do on behalf of our Princess Doe at
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1413554&posted=1#post1413554 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1413554&posted=1#post1413554)
I have included some pertinent information to this case in the hopes that one or more of you may help to ultimately solve this case. Surely Princess Doe is loved and missed by someone, and I am asking for any help you can give. Please note that the first two rings you probably have never had cause to see; but, I included them anyway--just in case.
Also, if there is anyone else from your class that you are still in contact with that you can forward this to, I would be most thankful. Someone may know something.
Additionally, if any of you still have your school ring, would you be able to describe it and perhaps even take a picture and send it to me for us to compare with Princess Doe's ring? What we need to know is if your school rings came standard with an ornate, "L" inlaid in the main stone (for Robert E. Lee High School), was it an upgraded option, or was there an option to inlay one of your personal initials in the main stone? If the latter is true, we may already have a clue as to who the original owner of that ring might be. Also, is there a difference between the men's and ladies' rings? Did the the rings of 1975 come fairly standard (unlike today's danced up, customized high school rings)? Is there anyone from your class who had a younger sister, daughter, niece, or other family member go missing around 1989 or 1990? Any information you can offer as to whom this may have belonged to would be so greatly appreciated.
Please email me with any information at ++++@++++++++.com

Most Sincerely,

LionRun

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Case File 137UFTX

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Victim's Ring
Unidentified White / Hispanic Female

The victim was discovered on September 10, 1990 in Brazoria County, Texas.
Estimated Date of Death: 6 months - 1 year

Vital Statistics
Estimated age: 16 - 22 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 4'10" - 5'2"
Distinguishing Characteristics: The victim possibly had a tumor on her knee.
Dentals: Dental information available
DNA: IN CODIS
Jewelry: A gold band with 6 clear stones, 2 thin silver bands, a silver band with a scroll design, a Robert E. Lee High School ring (1975), a silver ring with a turquoise unicorn and a pearl-beaded bracelet.
Case History
The victim was located on a pile of debris at the end of a Brazoria County road on September 10, 1990
The skeleton was found by an Alvin man who had pulled off the highway to find a place to urinate. He stepped behind a barricade and saw a skull in an old tire.
Authorities believe the rings are the clue to solving the case. Three rings were on the skeleton's fingers. One was silver with a scroll design, another had a turquoise unicorn on it. But investigators think the 1975 Lee High School ring probably has the best chance of leading to her identity. A jeweler told investigators the ring was a size 9 1/2 and had been resized twice. The person it fit was probably about 175 pounds. She would have been far too young for the 1975 class ring to be hers. It could have been given to her by an aunt, an older sister, by anybody.
The company that made Lee High School's rings doesn't have records from 1975. The Lee class of 1975 probably had about 150 girls. Authorities would like to hear from any of the girls who lost a ring or gave it to somebody else. An ornate "L" inlaid in the blue stone could have stood for the owner's last name or for Lee High School.
No traces of drugs were found in the bone marrow.

[Kezlyn]

Link to Lee HS's website:

http://hs.houstonisd.org/leehs/contacts.htm

if anyone wants to contact them to see if there are any records.

[LionRun]

Kezlyn, thank you for the link. I emailed someone from that page about this.

NOTE: I don't see anywhere where the manner of death is stated. So we don't know if LE or the coroner's office has deemed her death accidental, homicide, suicide, natural causes, or undetermined. My guess is that since I don't see a manner of death with the information, Princess Doe's manner of death may be considered to be undetermined. Does anyone know if we can find this out?

Lion

[Jaded]

I hate using wikipedia as a reference, but it appears this was a small school.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_High_School_(Houston)

[Jaded]

http://www.releereunion.com/

Reunion site for class of 1970 - maybe someone from there could also provide information.

[LionRun]

Thank you Jaded:).

Lion

[MrsG728]

Hi everyone
this is such a great learning process for me- you're so good at this. I wantede to let you know I"ve been poring all morning (since I can't sleep lol) over missing persons reports from texas, and I'm not evgen through the letter "J" yet! My eyesballs are going to fall out of my head!!!

Here's what my technique has been. I think maybe I need some re-direction. If not, then I give you guys a lot of credit. You have such patience.

I look at the gender, then the year. For example, this princess is female, found in 1990. She was dead about a year, so that puts us at 1989, with a "disappearance" date range of about (let's just say) 1987-1989. But I don't rule out 1986, just in case, and do a search for 1986-1990. Missing people during that time period, then I look at females reported missing, and since we have a pretty good idea/evidence that she was young, I go that route.
THERE ARE SO MANY MISSING. ANd since this person's ring is so specific to texas, I am looking in just TEXAS. Holy cow, guys- this is unreal.Does anyone have any suggestions for how I can narrow my search? Does anyone else use my gender/date technique?

I knew when I came to this site a couple of years ago that there are millions of people who go missing, but this is mind boggling.

thanks again
MG

[RKnowley]

Dang, I wish I had $28 to buy the yearbook for 1975 for Robert E. Lee High on the website below. It could be very interesting.

Saber 1975 Vol. 13 Robert E. Lee High School


Format: Hardcover
Book condition: Very Good+
Jacket condition: No Jacket

Houston, Texas, 1975. This is a year book from Robert E. Lee Highschool in Houston, TX from 1975. The book is in very good + condition, there are no autographs from the previous owner, light edge wear, and light soiling. . Cloth w/ Gilding. Very Good+/No Jacket. 4to - over 9¾" - 12" tall.



http://www.biblio.com/books/39023154.html

[SadieMae]

This is what I having trouble understanding. The jeweler said the ring "was a size 9 1/2, resized twice".
The ring is size 9 1/2 when found on the UID finger, sized, most likely up. I say this because, the UID is a max of 5'2". And according to the jeweler a size 9 1/2 ring fits someone around 175#. That's an awful lot of weight for someone only 5'2". So the UID had to be very overweight in proportion to height. I'm 5'2" and my ring sizes for various fingers range from size 4 1/2 to 6 1/2, and weight 108#.

[MrsG728]

This is what I having trouble understanding. The jeweler said the ring "was a size 9 1/2, resized twice".
The ring is size 9 1/2 when found on the UID finger, sized, most likely up. I say this because, the UID is a max of 5'2". And according to the jeweler a size 9 1/2 ring fits someone around 175#. That's an awful lot of weight for someone only 5'2". So the UID had to be very overweight in proportion to height. I'm 5'2" and my ring sizes for various fingers range from size 4 1/2 to 6 1/2, and weight 108#.


true- I am 5'2" and although I weigh a lot more than 108, I am nowhere near a size 9 ring (closer to the estimated 175, lol) I wear a 6.5 on my ring finger.

However- I do wear a 8.5 or 9 on my pointer finger. IF This person went through the trouble of getting a ring sized up, it means she was very close to the owner of the ring. I still say "mother". I agree with you- this ring was sized up. You'd need to start with an 11 or so to get it sized down to a 9.5
Maybe this was a guy's ring before? I've mentioned that in those days the rings were almost all the same. I have to go think about this now.

[LionRun]

Dang, I wish I had $28 to buy the yearbook for 1975 for Robert E. Lee High on the website below. It could be very interesting.

Saber 1975 Vol. 13 Robert E. Lee High School


Format: Hardcover
Book condition: Very Good+
Jacket condition: No Jacket

Houston, Texas, 1975. This is a year book from Robert E. Lee Highschool in Houston, TX from 1975. The book is in very good + condition, there are no autographs from the previous owner, light edge wear, and light soiling. . Cloth w/ Gilding. Very Good+/No Jacket. 4to - over 9¾" - 12" tall.



http://www.biblio.com/books/39023154.html

RKnowley, you rock! Great that you found this. Let's send this to the LE involved, and see if they want to get this. The ring came from that class--that is fact, isn't it? It is a very good lead, and that yearbook should have all of the 75 class, male and female. How do I find out which LE is handling her case. I will send it to them, if I can find the correct LE info to send it to.

Although, it is possible that the ring was stolen by some thief from the original owner and given to a girlfriend, our Princess Doe, or some other scenario could have occurred where the original owner did not know Princess Doe, it is possible the two knew each other.

Geesh, I am thinking about buying the book myself.

Lion

[LionRun]

true- I am 5'2" and although I weigh a lot more than 108, I am nowhere near a size 9 ring (closer to the estimated 175, lol) I wear a 6.5 on my ring finger.

However- I do wear a 8.5 or 9 on my pointer finger. IF This person went through the trouble of getting a ring sized up, it means she was very close to the owner of the ring. I still say "mother". I agree with you- this ring was sized up. You'd need to start with an 11 or so to get it sized down to a 9.5
Maybe this was a guy's ring before? I've mentioned that in those days the rings were almost all the same. I have to go think about this now.

I tried to contact someone from R E Lee in Houston and accidentally contacted someone from the 1975 graduating class at R E Lee in San Antonio. He said that the rings for male and female were pretty much the same except for size. I have also contacted the alumni for the correct 1975 class, and hopefully someone will email me with more info. At this point; however, maybe we can't assume it is a men's or a ladie's ring. We might want to assume it could be either unless or until we can fill in the gaps.

I wonder, too was it sized up or down? And, why twice? It would be more logical that she had to size it up a second time possibly die to weight gain. But, whoever sized it, twice no less cared about the ring or he/she wouldn't have re-sized it twice, no less.

If she was 4' 10" to 5' 2" tall and weighed 175 LB, she was very weight, I agree. There are many people, including young people who are very overweight or obese; however, in 1989 or 1990 when Princess Doe died, obesity was not nearly as common. That in itself could help us find her, I would think.

Does anyone know if there was ever a manner of death appointed?

Lion

[RKnowley]

LionRun,

Yes, we do know for a fact that the high school ring Princess Doe was wearing came from that class. You are correct that we don't know how that ring came to be in the possession of Princess Doe. I was wondering what size Princess Doe's other rings were that she had on. I guess that isn't noted anywhere. I have this weird scenario in my mind that maybe the ring belonged to the murderer of Princess Doe (If indeed she was murdered) and that they placed the ring on her finger as their signature. I know that's probably way off but it is a possibility. I think I've watched too many CSI's and Criminal Mind's..lol

Here is the information on the agency you would contact with any information on this case.



Investigators
If you have any information about this case please contact:
Harris County Medical Examiner
713-796-9292
Or
Texas Missing Persons Clearinghouse
800-346-3243
You may remain anonymous when submitting information.
Agency Case Number:
U0310014 NCIC Number:
U-940003426
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

ETA: I wonder if you could just contact Harris County, Texas LE??


RKnowley, you rock! Great that you found this. Let's send this to the LE involved, and see if they want to get this. The ring came from that class--that is fact, isn't it? It is a very good lead, and that yearbook should have all of the 75 class, male and female. How do I find out which LE is handling her case. I will send it to them, if I can find the correct LE info to send it to.

Although, it is possible that the ring was stolen by some thief from the original owner and given to a girlfriend, our Princess Doe, or some other scenario could have occurred where the original owner did not know Princess Doe, it is possible the two knew each other.

Geesh, I am thinking about buying the book myself.

Lion

[RKnowley]

I guess the person who originally owned the ring could have had it resized at one point and then perhaps Princess Doe had it resized when she received it?



I wonder, too was it sized up or down? And, why twice? It would be more logical that she had to size it up a second time possibly die to weight gain. But, whoever sized it, twice no less cared about the ring or he/she wouldn't have re-sized it twice, no less.


Lion

[LionRun]

LionRun,

Yes, we do know for a fact that the high school ring Princess Doe was wearing came from that class. You are correct that we don't know how that ring came to be in the possession of Princess Doe. I was wondering what size Princess Doe's other rings were that she had on. I guess that isn't noted anywhere. I have this weird scenario in my mind that maybe the ring belonged to the murderer of Princess Doe (If indeed she was murdered) and that they placed the ring on her finger as their signature. I know that's probably way off but it is a possibility.

Here is the information on the agency you would contact with any information on this case.



Investigators
If you have any information about this case please contact:
Harris County Medical Examiner
713-796-9292
Or
Texas Missing Persons Clearinghouse
800-346-3243
You may remain anonymous when submitting information.
Agency Case Number:
U0310014 NCIC Number:
U-940003426
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

ETA: I wonder if you could just contact Harris County, Texas LE??



RKnowly, that exact thought crossed my mind. I, too wonder if the ring wasn't placed on her finger after she died. I think it is a great question you have about the size of the other rings. That would tell us not only if she actually was about 175 LBS; but, it may indicate whether or not the ring was placed on her finger after death or if she had been wearing it.

We still don't have a manner of death, though. She was found amongst a pile of debris which may indicate foul play, especially if the debris pile was at the end of a county road versus near a river where debris piled up as a result of a flood.

If she was murdered, and the killer owned the ring, it would have been more likely a male due to statistics. Do men generally re-size rings, twice, no less? I would think that a man who outgrows a ring would opt to put it away and just not wear it. Is my thinking off here? Sorry if it is, and I have no problem standing corrected. Or, the killer could have stolen the ring from the original owner(like I suggested as just one possibility before), then given to Princess Doe in life or possibly placed on her finger as a reverse souvenir effect, a signature as it were. He would have no concern that it would be tied to him if he had stolen it. if it were originally his, he might not want to leave it on her.

In any event, these may all be possibilities, and I don't want to chase zebras before we have round up all of the horses. I want to check the simplest theories, that a relative of Princess Doe may have been the original owner of the ring. We can find this out or help LE find this, and it would be a good start.

Lion

[RKnowley]

You are so right. Stick to the simplest theories first. I'm getting way out there in left field. Sorry. It is possible that Princess Doe came into possession of the ring if the original owner had died (say the ring belonged to mom, or aunt or etc) and Princess Doe cherished that ring and wore it as a reminder of a loved one.

I posted an ad on craigslist.com for the Houston, Texas area in the Lost and Found section with Princess Doe's information.

You can find the posting here: I am going back now to add the websleuths link to this thread as I feel it's very important to have all the information offered in this thread.


http://houston.craigslist.org/laf/305117923.html

RKnowly, that exact thought crossed my mind. I, too wonder if the ring wasn't placed on her finger after she died. I think it is a great question you have about the size of the other rings. That would tell us not only if she actually was about 175 LBS; but, it may indicate whether or not the ring was placed on her finger after death or if she had been wearing it.

We still don't have a manner of death, though. She was found amongst a pile of debris which may indicate foul play, especially if the debris pile was at the end of a county road versus near a river where debris piled up as a result of a flood.

If she was murdered, and the killer owned the ring, it would have been more likely a male due to statistics. Do men generally re-size rings, twice, no less? I would think that a man who outgrows a ring would opt to put it away and just not wear it. Is my thinking off here? Sorry if it is, and I have no problem standing corrected. Or, the killer could have stolen the ring from the original owner(like I suggested as just one possibility before), then given to Princess Doe in life or possibly placed on her finger as a reverse souvenir effect, a signature as it were. He would have no concern that it would be tied to him if he had stolen it. if it were originally his, he might not want to leave it on her.

In any event, these may all be possibilities, and I don't want to chase zebras before we have round up all of the horses. I want to check the simplest theories, that a relative of Princess Doe may have been the original owner of the ring. We can find this out or help LE find this, and it would be a good start.

Lion

[LionRun]

Good idea RKnowly. You have a lot of good ideas. And, I will call LE and Missing Persons tomorrow with the yearbook info.

Lion

[RKnowley]

Thank you for contacting LE with the yearbook information. Hopefully we can find out who this Princess Doe is. At least we are trying our best.

Robyn

Good idea RKnowly. You have a lot of good ideas. And, I will call LE and Missing Persons tomorrow with the yearbook info.

Lion

[SadieMae]

I guess the person who originally owned the ring could have had it resized at one point and then perhaps Princess Doe had it resized when she received it?
As I recall, when ordering my HS class ring, they were ordered to your corrrect size. I'm guessing the ring was resized the first time after 1975. I think first we must establish if indeed the ring was a female or male class ring. And also, the sizing of the other rings found on her fingers. Would LE have the size estimates for the other rings?

[legendofcroft]

i am gonna keep reading this thread...you guys are amazing!

[RKnowley]

Yes, I do agree that the ring was resized the first time after 1975. It is possible the original owner had it resized at some point after 1975 if they gained or lost weight. Then perhaps when the ring was given to Princess Doe (if that is the case) she may have had it resized to fit her.

I don't know if LE would have size estimates for the other rings or if they only found out the size of the high school ring because it was the best chance of finding out who Princess Doe is?



As I recall, when ordering my HS class ring, they were ordered to your corrrect size. I'm guessing the ring was resized the first time after 1975. I think first we must establish if indeed the ring was a female or male class ring. And also, the sizing of the other rings found on her fingers. Would LE have the size estimates for the other rings?

[RKnowley]

Legend,
I would love to have your input or theories if you have any ideas? With everyone working together we should be able to come up with something.

i am gonna keep reading this thread...you guys are amazing!

[SadieMae]

Yes, I do agree that the ring was resized the first time after 1975. It is possible the original owner had it resized at some point after 1975 if they gained or lost weight. Then perhaps when the ring was given to Princess Doe (if that is the case) she may have had it resized to fit her.

I don't know if LE would have size estimates for the other rings or if they only found out the size of the high school ring because it was the best chance of finding out who Princess Doe is?
Someone in charge of her property could get one of ring size bars. Or see if the ring fits anyone there to get the size. Another thing maybe is to ask which fingers the rings were on. We can estimate the sizes ourselves. My ring finger is 2 sizes smaller than the middle finger, and 2 1/2 sizes smaller than my index finger.
Hi Legendofcroft...welcome to WS. If you can think of anything to help out just jump right in! :D

[MrsG728]

snipping
He said that the rings for male and female were pretty much the same except for size. I have also contacted the alumni for the correct 1975 class, and hopefully someone will email me with more info. At this point; however, maybe we can't assume it is a men's or a ladie's ring. We might want to assume it could be either unless or until we can fill in the gaps.
- right.. good thinking! I am glad you confirmed what my aunt always whined about (their rings were basically the same) We basically have to guess that if it was a men's ring sized 11ish it was sized down. If it were a women's ring sized 7ish then sized up. I am just wondering if this is a guy's ring, would a man have a script "monogram" looking "L" in the stone?
I personally have also been assuming that the L is a first-name initial, not an "L" for Lee or a last name monogram. JMHO


There are many people, including young people who are very overweight or obese; however, in 1989 or 1990 when Princess Doe died, obesity was not nearly as common. That in itself could help us find her, I would think.
-you're right about more recent obesity, but it still leads me to think that if she wore multiple rings (I did back in the early 90's) that this was her Pointer Finger ring. Mine is a size 9, middle finger is more like a 7.5 and ring finger is 6.5 or 6 Also, my dominant hand pointer finger and middle finger are bigger.

[LionRun]

As I recall, when ordering my HS class ring, they were ordered to your corrrect size. I'm guessing the ring was resized the first time after 1975. I think first we must establish if indeed the ring was a female or male class ring. And also, the sizing of the other rings found on her fingers. Would LE have the size estimates for the other rings?

Excellent questions and thoughts, Sadie. I imagine LE should have the ring sizes. In any event, if they have the rings, they an get the sizes.

So, does anyone want to call LE about this?

I just had several emails sent to graduates of that 75 class, and if someone emails me back I am going to ask a slew of questions including about men's versus ladie's ring similarities.

Oh, and welcome legendofcroft. I hope you like it here. We have some really nice and interesting members here. BTW, your nic hat name is nice.

Lion

[LionRun]

MrsG, I had the same idea. A young man would be less inclined to have an initial inlaid in the stone of his class ring--especially back then. Also, I asked several 18 and 19 year olds if they would have gotten first name initial, a last name initial or their school name initial on their school ring stone. All of them said they either would have gotten a first name initial or they actually did get their first name initial inlaid in their stone. None would have their last name initial on their ring standing alone. And, none would have their school name initial. It was only a poll of 5 recent high school grads, and times can change a bit; but, I thought as they did. had I had an initial inlaid on my school ring it would have been the initial of my first name.

Also, isn't a ring guard more common to use when re-sizing a ring down? And, it must have been one huge ring if it were down sized twice to a fairly large 9 1/2. So, I am thinking it was probably enlarged twice.

Lion

[teonspaleprincess]

I am so impressed with you all! I am so proud to be a part of the websleuths team. It is amazing what you can come up with when you have so many minds working together. I posted this case on a few other sites about unsolved crimes, with links to this thread also. And when I posted at classmate.com, I used the picture of the ring as my profile pic, hoping someone would see it and email me. I did the same thing at reunion.com. Are there any other sites that you all think may be helpful? I added it to myspace, but since it is frequented by a younger crowd, I don't know if it will do much good.

[LionRun]

Thank you teons; but, it was you who has set a golden example for many--to go the extra step and actually work proactively and diligently to solve a case.

Lion

[Synthia1021]

I can't help but think that this ring may belong to her father, if her age is closer to 16 or (15 maybe) minus the age from her date of being located, would make it 1974-1975? Could she have the ring from her father? Perhaps, something may have happened to him and this was given to her as rememberence of him. Is there someway of finding out if someone from that class passed away? The size of the ring does lead me to believe it could be a mans ring, seeing as though there are no initials, men in my class (1984) didn't have inscriptions done, they all thought is "was a girl thing". Just another possibility.

[teonspaleprincess]

From what I can tell, the graduating class was small. There are a few listed as "missing" because no one knows where they are. I can start checking the social security death index with those names and see if anything comes up? I also found a place called ReunionTeam that helped plan the reunions for Robert E Lee classes 1976 and 1974, maybe they would give us the email addresses of the people that they worked with? They may remember something that could help. It's a long shot but you never know.

[SadieMae]

I am so impressed with you all! I am so proud to be a part of the websleuths team. It is amazing what you can come up with when you have so many minds working together. I posted this case on a few other sites about unsolved crimes, with links to this thread also. And when I posted at classmate.com, I used the picture of the ring as my profile pic, hoping someone would see it and email me. I did the same thing at reunion.com. Are there any other sites that you all think may be helpful? I added it to myspace, but since it is frequented by a younger crowd, I don't know if it will do much good.

Outstanding!!!!! What a genius!!!

[richandfamous]

I am so impressed with you all! I am so proud to be a part of the websleuths team. It is amazing what you can come up with when you have so many minds working together. I posted this case on a few other sites about unsolved crimes, with links to this thread also. And when I posted at classmate.com, I used the picture of the ring as my profile pic, hoping someone would see it and email me. I did the same thing at reunion.com. Are there any other sites that you all think may be helpful? I added it to myspace, but since it is frequented by a younger crowd, I don't know if it will do much good.

I think myspace has spread to the old folks now too. I don't think we outnumber the youngsters but we are getting there.
I love myspace. At first I registered to spy on my kids but it has grown on me. lol
I too, am proud to be a part of this group especially YOU.

[teonspaleprincess]

I found a site about Houston and it seems to have a lot of people on it who went to Robert E Lee in the seventies. I am on my way to post there.

http://www.houstonarchitecture.info/haif/index.php?act=SF&f=23

[RKnowley]

teons, what a great idea!

I found a site about Houston and it seems to have a lot of people on it who went to Robert E Lee in the seventies. I am on my way to post there.

http://www.houstonarchitecture.info/haif/index.php?act=SF&f=23

[Synthia1021]

Can anyone tell what color the stone in the ring is? it looked to me at first to be blue, but edges seem a different color, so I am wondering if this the glare off the ring. The reason I ask is because I found the following information posted on a website for people who have lost class rings. It also said she did her on initials on the side, no mention of that in the description of the ring from Webslueths.

Ring Detail For Lost Ring ID 3379Contact Ring Owner
http://www.classringfinder.com/images/Email.gif (http://www.classringfinder.com/SendMail.asp?MemberID=4174&RingID=3379)Class Year
1975Metal
SilverInitials
C-D-NSchool Name
Robert E. Lee High SchoolTexture
Faceted
Gender
LadiesStone
January - GarnetEntered
8/9/2006Manufacturer
JostensMascot
RebelsReturned
NoInformation on where the ring was lostCity
LubbockState
TexasComments: My full name was engraved in my handwriting on the inside.

[LaWanda]

I graduated High School in '89 and I remember wearing my brother's class ring all the time. I wore it on my index finger, which was a 9.5. I also weighed about 175/180. Also, my ring has my initials engraved on the inside of the ring, but with the ring being from '75, the engraving is probabaly worn away.

[RKnowley]

Hi Synthia,
This is the description of the class ring. It says the stone is blue.

An ornate "L" inlaid in the blue stone could have stood for the owner's last name or for Lee High School.


Can anyone tell what color the stone in the ring is? it looked to me at first to be blue, but edges seem a different color, so I am wondering if this the glare off the ring. The reason I ask is because I found the following information posted on a website for people who have lost class rings. It also said she did her on initials on the side, no mention of that in the description of the ring from Webslueths.


Ring Detail For Lost Ring ID 3379Contact Ring Owner


http://www.classringfinder.com/images/Email.gif (http://www.classringfinder.com/SendMail.asp?MemberID=4174&RingID=3379)Class Year


1975Metal


SilverInitials


C-D-NSchool Name


Robert E. Lee High SchoolTexture

Faceted
Gender

LadiesStone


January - GarnetEntered


8/9/2006Manufacturer


JostensMascot


RebelsReturned


NoInformation on where the ring was lostCity


LubbockState

TexasComments: My full name was engraved in my handwriting on the inside.

[RKnowley]

OK, doing the math (HAHAHA..me doing math) here if Princess Doe was between 16-22 years of age when she died she would have been born approx. 1968 to 1974. If she was born around 1968 the age difference between the original ring owner (would have been born about 1957 if they graduated in 1975)would only be 11 years. If Princess Doe was born around 1974 there would be about 17 years difference between original ring owner and Princess Doe. Does this sound right to you all?

[Synthia1021]

Thanks Rknowley, I read the post a million times and still did not see the ring stone was blue. Time for me to take a break I think. By the way, for anyone looking for missing or found class rings. Check out www.classringfinder.com (http://www.classringfinder.com) Robert E. Lee has several listings.

[teonspaleprincess]

Just wanted to say that I am getting some interest in the thread I posted.

http://www.houstonarchitecture.info/haif/index.php?showtopic=10535

[RKnowley]

Noooooooooooo..Synthia, come back!! You may have found something very useful. If the person who lost this 1975 ring went to Robert E. Lee High School (In Houston) then they may know something about the original owner of the ring Princess Doe was wearing. Is there a way for you to contact the person who posted about the lost ring??

Thanks Rknowley, I read the post a million times and still did not see the ring stone was blue. Time for me to take a break I think. By the way, for anyone looking for missing or found class rings. Check out www.classringfinder.com (http://www.classringfinder.com) Robert E. Lee has several listings.

[Sable]

Was it common to choose the designs on the sides of the ring back in the 70's? I know today you can choose from a bunch of symbols that signify school activities you participated in, or even what religion you follow. Maybe if that was done with this ring, it could help determine who she is.

[Sable]

I found something in a search that is driving me crazy. I googled missing "class ring" "lee High School" and found the following link on page 4.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:6ooqwhzU9rAJ:houston.craigslist.org/hou/laf/+missing+%22class+ring%22+%22lee+High+School%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=32&gl=us

It's a craigslist posting dated January 25 under lost and found. When I tried to read the post, it said "This posting has expired. (The title on the listings page will be removed in just a few minutes.)" Does anyone know how to pull up the cached version of the posting? I tried searching cached:http://houston.craigslist.org/laf/268167253.html on google, but got nothing.

Also, wanted to add that the person who the ring originally belonged to may have been born in September. The blue stone appears to be a sapphire, which is the birthstone for September.

[Aprilvic]

Just trying to figure it out. Did LE say that they thought she weighed around 175? Or is it just a guess b/c of the ring? I am 115 pounds, but I have really big fingers. My ring finger is an 8, and my index finger is a 9 1/2. I have always hated my hands for this fact :crazy:
I wore my h.s. boyfriends ring on my thumb, so that me be a thought too.
Anyway, I am just saying she may have been like me and just had big fingers!
You guys are great - keep up the good work!
I also know that my h.s. ring had my last initial on it. So did my husbands! I guess it just differs from person to person!
April

[Jaded]

I found something in a search that is driving me crazy. I googled missing "class ring" "lee High School" and found the following link on page 4.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:6ooqwhzU9rAJ:houston.craigslist.org/hou/laf/+missing+%22class+ring%22+%22lee+High+School%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=32&gl=us

It's a craigslist posting dated January 25 under lost and found. When I tried to read the post, it said "This posting has expired. (The title on the listings page will be removed in just a few minutes.)" Does anyone know how to pull up the cached version of the posting? I tried searching cached:http://houston.craigslist.org/laf/268167253.html on google, but got nothing.

Also, wanted to add that the person who the ring originally belonged to may have been born in September. The blue stone appears to be a sapphire, which is the birthstone for September.

Have you tried to find it on archive.org? They have a wayback machine that archives.

[Jaded]

I checked the wayback machine and got nothing.

[LionRun]

Hi sleuther friends. I sent out several emails to alumni of the class of 1975, and hopefully i will hear something back from someone.


Lion

[RKnowley]

Hi Lion!
Good luck! Please do let us know if you hear anything.

Hi sleuther friends. I sent out several emails to alumni of the class of 1975, and hopefully i will hear something back from someone.


Lion

[RKnowley]

I do believe they are estimating her weight based on the size of the school ring. They said that size of ring would have fit someone who was in the 175lb range.

Just trying to figure it out. Did LE say that they thought she weighed around 175? Or is it just a guess b/c of the ring? I am 115 pounds, but I have really big fingers. My ring finger is an 8, and my index finger is a 9 1/2. I have always hated my hands for this fact :crazy:
I wore my h.s. boyfriends ring on my thumb, so that me be a thought too.
Anyway, I am just saying she may have been like me and just had big fingers!
You guys are great - keep up the good work!
I also know that my h.s. ring had my last initial on it. So did my husbands! I guess it just differs from person to person!
April

[LionRun]

Just trying to figure it out. Did LE say that they thought she weighed around 175? Or is it just a guess b/c of the ring? I am 115 pounds, but I have really big fingers. My ring finger is an 8, and my index finger is a 9 1/2. I have always hated my hands for this fact :crazy:
I wore my h.s. boyfriends ring on my thumb, so that me be a thought too.
Anyway, I am just saying she may have been like me and just had big fingers!
You guys are great - keep up the good work!
I also know that my h.s. ring had my last initial on it. So did my husbands! I guess it just differs from person to person!
April

These are excellent points, Aprilvic. She could have been a tiny person with wide fingers, or she could have had some type of joint or bone disease resulting in wide fingers.

As for the initials, it is good to understand that the, "L" could be for a first name, a last name, a girl's name, or a boy's name. It could stand for something else, too. The ring reminds me of the women's style only because there is a more narrowing of the band then what I recall from seeing men's rings from about that era.

I wish we could get a basic pic of one men's ring and one women's ring. Did Josten's make the ring? I think they did according to the lost article. The Doe article stated that the ring company did not keep records from that far back; but, someone there must be able to have access to a pic of what the rings looked like back then in general.

I am thinking it might be a good idea to keep either mental notes or write them down concerning the side avenues we may need to travel down if the most logical streets don't lead us to Princess Doe's identity.

For example, many of think it is at least somewhat likely that the ring originally belonged to a female, older relative like a mother or an aunt. And, many of us may be inclined to think that because the ring was re-sized twice, and more likely up than down, that Princess Doe may have indeed weighed about 175 LB.

However, if we don't find her based on what we think might be true then we may need to chase the less common, zebra. And, while searching we may want to include anything we come across that is possible even if it doesn't fit the most likely possibilities. What are your thoughts on this fellow sleuthers?

Lion

[Jaded]

It's also possible that she didn't wear the finger on the ring finger. I wear a band on my thumb and I know a lot of women that wear multiple rings will wear them all over. I'm going to look on ebay for some typical ring styles from that era. I can't tell from the article about how long they think she may have been lying there. Anyone know?

[Jaded]

http://cgi.ebay.com/1975-Pickens-High-School-SC-Class-Ring-10K-Sz-7-75_W0QQitemZ260091541792QQcategoryZ39727QQrdZ1QQss PageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

It looks like the L may be for the school as this one has an inlaid P for Pickens.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4893/36312321tphn4.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7951/36312325tpmr9.jpg

[RKnowley]

This is an article from 2006 that talks about Princess Doe:

Manvel, Texas
Manvel Police Department
POC: Jay Coffman - 281-489-1212
Saturday, September 2, 2006


Ring is top clue in cold case

Teens Remains were found along Brazoria County road in 1990
By: Richard Stewart (richard.stewart@chron.com), Houston Chronicle

ANGLETON, TEXAS - A well-worn ring from the 1975 class of Houston's Robert E. Lee High School is the main evidence police have to try to unravel a 16-year-old mystery. It was found on the finger of a skeleton at the end of a Brazoria County road in 1990.

"It's not much to go on," said Manvel police Detective Jay Coffman, "but it's about all we've got."

In the nine years since the remains were found, investigators have not been able to tell what happened to the female victim, how she got to be on a pile of debris or, more importantly, who she was.

"Somebody's missing this girl," Coffman said, holding the ring. Somebody is missing the ring, too, he said, because he doubts it originally belonged to the victim.

A medical examiner's report estimated that the skeleton found on September 10, 1990, was that of a girl about 17 years old, plus or minus two years, Coffman said. She would have been far too young for the 1975 class ring to be hers.

"It could have been given to her by an aunt, an older sisters, by anybody," Coffman said.

Richard Rosser, an investigator with the Brazoria County Sheriff's Department, is working with Coffman to solve the mystery.

"Back then, Brazoria County was a dumping ground for bodies of people killed in Houston," Rosser said. "It seemed like we had at least one a month."

The skeleton was found by an Alvin man who had pulled off the highway to find a place to urinate. He told investigators that he stepped behind a barricade and saw a skull in an old tire.

Investigators have no clues as to how she died. No traces of drugs were found in the bone marrow. Medical examiners estimated she had been dead six months to a year.

The victim was about 5 feet tall, plus or minus 2 inches. Medical examiners said the skeleton was probably that of a Hispanic female.

Investigators looked at dozens of different reports of missing teenage girls, but none seemed to match the skeleton.

Three rings were on the skeleton's fingers. One was silver with a scroll design, another had a turquoise unicorn on it. But investigators think the 1975 Lee High School ring probably has the best chance of leading to her identity.

A jeweler recently told investigators the ring was a size 91/2 and had been resized twice. The person it fit was probably about 175 pounds.

An ornate "L" inlaid in the blue stone could have stood for the owner's last name or for Lee High School. The company that made Lee High School's rings doesn't have records from 1975, Rosser said.

The Lee class of 1975 probably had about 150 girls, Rosser said. He would like to hear from any of them who lost a ring or gave it to somebody else. The skeleton is now at the University of North Texas Health Science Center at Forth Worth. That facility operates the Texas Missing Persons DNA Database, which, in turn, feeds information about missing persons to the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS), operated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

If investigators get new leads, they can try to test the DNA of relatives to identify her.

"We would at least have a name," Coffman said.

Anyone with information about this case can contact Manvel Police Detective Jay Coffman at 281-489-1212 or e-mail him at jcoffman@manvelpd.org.
This and other cases are profiled online at the Texas Department of Public Safety's missing persons database: www.txpdsdps.state.tx.us/mpch/ (http://www.txpdsdps.state.tx.us/mpch/) (<--Note: This link is not good anymore)

Source: http://manvelpd.cityofmanvel.com/news/ring_top_clue.htm

[RKnowley]

This page has a side view of the high school ring. Also note that it says weight is unknown.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/UnidentifiedDetails.asp?id=U0310014

[Jaded]

Thanks for posting that. I have found a few girls from TX who went missing around that timeframe.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/221dftx.html
Lemme find the others.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/331dftx.html scar on right knee

[RKnowley]

There is no mention of any clothing found on or near the body. I wonder if there was any or if she was nude?

[richandfamous]

edited: wrong school. sorry

[LionRun]

Hi rich:). I emailed everyone on this list, and just ten minutes later I received an email from Matt Pettinos from the list.

He told me that he graduated from Robert E. Lee High School in San Antonio, not Houston. Oops. But, he did give me some good info about rings in general at that time. lol

Lion

http://www.neisd.net/lee/alumni/alumni.htm

Alumni list of email contact for 1975

Bob Brooks
kayaker@tamu.edu

Mindy (Gossen) Eisen
meisen@gt.rr.com

Norman King Edmunds
nedunds@home.com


David W. Green
dgreen@bhmvlaw.com


Brad Hodges
rocusa@aol.com


Jane Jenkins
9jcoleman@ev1.net

Janis Schorlemer Ploetz *
jploetz1@satx.rr.com

Matt Pettinos
pettinos@sbcglobal.net

Jim Ploetz
jploetz1@satx.rr.com

Victoria (Olson) Freilich
texolson@comcast.net

Karyl (Morton) Stanton
pstanton84@valornet.com

Rob Wayne
ewayne@grandecom.net

[richandfamous]

oops. are there 2 Robert E Lee high schools in Texas? Do we know for sure the ring is from the one in Houston?
Thanks, I was just looking into that...wondering if I had it wrong.

[RKnowley]

Lion, were you able to contact LE about the yearbook for Robert E Lee High School class of 1975? I just noticed that in the article I posted it says to contact the person below with any information about the case. Let me know if you want to contact him or if you would like me to.

Anyone with information about this case can contact Manvel Police Detective Jay Coffman at 281-489-1212 or e-mail him at jcoffman@manvelpd.org (jcoffman@manvelpd.org).

[LionRun]

oops. are there 2 Robert E Lee high schools in Texas? Do we know for sure the ring is from the one in Houston?
Thanks, I was just looking into that...wondering if I had it wrong.

There are 3 that I can recall off the bat. I think there are more. The good thing is that on the class ring it reads, "Houston", which makes our job a bit easier. No worries, as I said, I emailed everyone on that list thinking that I was emailing to the Houston alumni. Oops.

Lion

[LionRun]

Lion, were you able to contact LE about the yearbook for Robert E Lee High School class of 1975? I just noticed that in the article I posted it says to contact the person below with any information about the case. Let me know if you want to contact him or if you would like me to.

Anyone with information about this case can contact Manvel Police Detective Jay Coffman at 281-489-1212 or e-mail him at jcoffman@manvelpd.org (jcoffman@manvelpd.org).

I am so sorry. I didn't get to that today. I will certainly contact them both by phone and via email tomorrow. That you for the eamil addy:).

Also, looking at this ring from the side, it looks like a women's ring from that time. The band becomes more narrow from the sides to the bottom. I wish we had pics of the standard men's and ladie's rings for that time in the school. In 1975, there were very limited options and styles compared to today. I think there was a basic shape for men' rings and a basic shape for women's rings. If we just knew that fact we could rule in or out whether or not the original owner was a boy or a girl.

Lion
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch_images/final/u03-10-014%20ring.jpg

[RKnowley]

This looks like a man's high school ring. It is from 1975 (although not from Robert E Lee High School).

http://cgi.ebay.com/Heavy-GOLD-CLASS-RING-Moeller-Cincinnati-Ohio-1975_W0QQitemZ130096584185QQihZ003QQcategoryZ39727 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

ETA: It does look like Princess Doe's ring is a girl's ring.


Also, looking at this ring from the side, it looks like a women's ring from that time. The band becomes more narrow from the sides to the bottom. I wish we had pics of the standard men's and ladie's rings for that time in the school. In 1975, there were very limited options and styles compared to today. I think there was a basic shape for men' rings and a basic shape for women's rings. If we just knew that fact we could rule in or out whether or not the original owner was a boy or a girl.

Lion
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch_images/final/u03-10-014%20ring.jpg

[LionRun]

Thank you RKnowly. I agree that our princess Doe's ring is more likely a ladie's ring. Here the two are for comparison. The styles are basically the same. The biggest difference is the thickness of the band, which is what I remember from seeing various high school rings from around that time. I didn't get a high school ring, and I soon regretted it. So, for a couple of years after high school I would ask to see other people's school rings(to see what i was missing??), and I remember that the only notable difference was the band weight and thickness.

This is the 1975 possible man's ring from the site you posted a link for:
http://www.dennisfreeman.com/1b1s.jpg

And here again is a side view of our Princess Doe's ring.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch_images/final/u03-10-014%20ring.jpg

Lion

[RKnowley]

Lion, thank you for the comparison images. I am convinced now that Princess Doe's ring is a ladies ring.

Thank you RKnowly. I agree that our princess Doe's ring is more likely a ladie's ring. Here the two are for comparison. The styles are basically the same. The biggest difference is the thickness of the band, which is what I remember from seeing various high school rings from around that time. I didn't get a high school ring, and I soon regretted it. So, for a couple of years after high school I would ask to see other people's school rings(to see what i was missing??), and I remember that the only notable difference was the band weight and thickness.

This is the 1975 possible man's ring from the site you posted a link for:
http://www.dennisfreeman.com/1b1s.jpg

And here again is a side view of our Princess Doe's ring.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch_images/final/u03-10-014%20ring.jpg

Lion

[LionRun]

You are welcome Rknowly:). I am also about 99 percent sure that this is a ladie's ring.

Tomorrow I am both calling and emailing LE to let them know about the 1975 REL yearbook that is for sale. I am also going to ask them if they know what sizes the other two rings were and what fingers all of the rings were on, especially the HS ring.

Does anyone have any other questions that may help us that I can ask them?

Lion

[Jaded]

You are welcome Rknowly:). I am also about 99 percent sure that this is a ladie's ring.

Tomorrow I am both calling and emailing LE to let them know about the 1975 REL yearbook that is for sale. I am also going to ask them if they know what sizes the other two rings were and what fingers all of the rings were on, especially the HS ring.

Does anyone have any other questions that may help us that I can ask them?

Lion

Any clothing found at or near the scene? I would also point them to the lost class ring on Craigslist and see if they can't contact Craigslist to pull that from their database since the posting has expired\. Maybe they can find out who posted about the ring. When you post there you have to provide an email address for your responses to be mailed back to. Maybe that's on their backups and they can retrieve that information.

[teonspaleprincess]

I added the side view and the fact that she was probably hispanic to my Houston post. I also asked how many hispanic woman were in the graduating class, that should narrow it down. Also wanted to add that there have been a few views to my page at classmates.com,so hopefully some responses soon.

[LionRun]

Thank you Teons:). We may get a good tip from that.

I emailed 4 people who lost 1975 rings from REL High School. I know that they do not belong to them because the rings were reported from 2002 to 2006. But, since they went to that school, they might be able to offer some info. I referred them here, too.

When I hear of a, "Jane" or a "John" Doe, it bothers me that unless they are identified they have no individual name. That is why I call them Princess Doe or Prince Doe. Since our Princess Doe has was wearing the school ring with a blue stone, I am going to call her Princess Blue. I hope this okay with everyone. I am not asking that we all call her that, just if you don't mind, I want to call her by a name chosen just for her.

Lion

[LionRun]

I emailed Detective Coffman of the Manvel PD to let him know that year book is on sale online. I asked him to please let me know if he does not plan on buying it in order to give one of us an opportunity to buy it.

Lion

[teonspaleprincess]

I know that hair and eye color is not known, but I figured that if she is hispanic, then most likely she has brown/black hair and brown eyes, So I am looking at all hispanic girls between 1988 and 1991 to see if any mention a ring.

[LionRun]

Mornin' friends. I received an email from a person that I emailed at classringfinders.com. This person told me that the, "L" might stand for the, "Lancets", the school mascot. Of course it still could stand for a first name, a last name, or something we haven't thought of, yet.

Error: The person who I emailed and in turn received an email from in response went to a different high school than the one in Houston. Her mascot was the Lancers or Lancets. However, the librarian at REL, in Houston, TX who also coincidentally graduated from REL in 1980, told me that the mascot is and has always been, "The General."

Also, I spoke with the person at the Texas Missing Persons Clearinghouse in charge of Princess Blue's case. She said that although LE has and is still trying to contact everyone from the graduating class of 1975, she doesn't know if they have reached all of them. She said that LE has obtained pictures and notes from 1975 from the school; but, I was unclear as to whether or not they actually have a copy of the year book.

She said that out of respect for the family members(hopefully they will be found), they intentionally did not state the manner of death. However, she said that she has no notes about clothing found with Princess Blue's remains, and that would most likely have been posted to help ID her if clothes were found with her remains. I speculate that she may have been found with no clothes. We can speculate there may have been foul play because of this and the fact that she was found in a place, full of debris and considered a dump site for bodies.

She also confirmed our belief that the ring is a ladies ring. Good, at least that is finally out of the way, lol. She does not know if the ring was sized up or sized down; however, I believe it was most likely sized up.

She said emphatically that her weight was determined by other factors other than the ring size. She didn't specify what factors; but, connections on the bones for tendons are larger, the heavier a person is, and/or the more strength training exercises they do. There are several ways to estimate weight based on skeletal remains. So, I think we can assume her weight was somewhere around 175 at death.

I asked her what else we can do to help solve this. what direction should we go in, and she said, "Please, just keep doing what you are doing." She was very pleasant and helpful, and she thanked us for our help. She has heard there are internet sleuthing communities; however, she has never heard of us in particular-----until today. She asked me to call her if I get any more information for her.

This morning, about an hour and a half ago, I emailed SGT. Coffman of the Manvel PD. I followed up a bit ago by leaving a message on his voice mail. I hope to hear back from him soon.

I think that is it for now; but, let's keep working. Maybe we can try to track any women who have since died from that class. Who knows? Maybe that is why they can't find the owner of that ring. Does anyone have a clue on how to do that? Other, bigger schools have memorial sites on their websites; but, I don't think REL has one.

Lion

[LionRun]

I know that hair and eye color is not known, but I figured that if she is hispanic, then most likely she has brown/black hair and brown eyes, So I am looking at all hispanic girls between 1988 and 1991 to see if any mention a ring.

Great idea teons. She may have die her hair blond. Do they usually let you know if it is dyed blond versus natural blond? I never know if i should just pass over certain hair colors because of that.

Lion

[teonspaleprincess]

Most sites do state what the original color is and say that it may have been dyed. I expanded the search two years either way in case she was a runaway or her family waited some time to report her missing for some reason. Surprisingly there are only about 8 between 13-18 and three between 18-25 missing between 1988-1991. Maybe this girl was never reported missing?

[LionRun]

Did you do a nationwide search? She may not have originally been from Texas, despite her ring.

Lion

[LionRun]

Hi. I just hear back from Sergeant Coffman via email. He said that he has already obtained a list of the graduates from one of the 1975 graduates. He thanked us for being involved, too.

Brain surge-----Class rings are ordered in the Spring of the previous year. What if the mystery owner moved or dropped out by her senior year? I think we need a list of the juniors for 1974 as well. most of them will be the same; but, who knows? What if what I am saying is true? I am going to call the school now and see if there is a way to get a list of the students.

Lion

[LionRun]

More information: I just spoke with the librarian at the school. She was also a 1980 graduate of that school. She said that back then she thinks she recalls that students ordered their rings in the fall of their senior year. So, I asked her if she recalls when their senor pics were taken, and she said she thinks senior pics were taken the following spring. So, this means that the mystery ring owner may still have moved or dropped out prior to senior class pics, but not before buying a class ring. She could have picked it up even if she moved or dropped out.

Also, she said that anyone is welcome to sign in at the office and view the year books. The school has both 1974 and 1975 year books. I am 3 1/2 hours from there. Would anyone from the Houston area be willing to view and hopefully, if permitted, copy the pages with names and pictures from those 2 year books? If I didn't live so far I would.

Lion

[teonspaleprincess]

Did you do a nationwide search? She may not have originally been from Texas, despite her ring.

Lion

Yes, looked at all girls, not just those from Texas. Including those listed as white/hispanic and black/hispanic.

[teonspaleprincess]

More information: I just spoke with the librarian at the school. She was also a 1980 graduate of that school. She said that back then she thinks she recalls that students ordered their rings in the fall of their senior year. So, I asked her if she recalls when their senor pics were taken, and she said she thinks senior pics were taken the following spring. So, this means that the mystery ring owner may still have moved or dropped out prior to senior class pics, but not before buying a class ring. She could have picked it up even if she moved or dropped out.

Also, she said that anyone is welcome to sign in at the office and view the year books. The school has both 1974 and 1975 year books. I am 3 1/2 hours from there. Would anyone from the Houston area be willing to view and hopefully, if permitted, copy the pages with names and pictures from those 2 year books? If I didn't live so far I would.

Lion

This was also suggested from someone on the Houston board. I wish I was in the area, but alas I am in NC so I am no help there.

[LionRun]

Yes, looked at all girls, not just those from Texas. Including those listed as white/hispanic and black/hispanic.

How about white or Asian? Can you tell me where to look? Would you like me to help you search? If you can send a link, perhaps we can split the search work.

I guess none of the ones you have found so far are even remotely possible, huh?

Lion

[Mickie Mouse]

I'm not sure if this is the correct Robert E. Lee High School in Houston (more than one REL? and the emblem is different than the one on the ring?), but here's a URL to a 1970 reunion site with access to apparent proactive members. http://www.releereunion.com/

Hope it helps and keep up the good work.

Mickie

[RKnowley]

Just a quickie before I go back and read through everything here. It looks like you all have come up with some great ideas.

Lion,

You said that the lady you emailed from classringfinders.com said that the school mascot for Robert E. Lee High school (Houston) was "Lancers". I thought the mascot for REL (Houston) was the "Saber" At least on the yearbook from 1975 Houston REL High it says "Saber" on it.

Also I found the following that shows the REL High School in VA uses the "Lancer's" as their mascot. I wonder if more than one high school used the same mascot?

Robert E. Lee High School (Fairfax County, Virginia)

Robert E. Lee High School (Lee High School) is a high school in the Fairfax County Public Schools (http://www.answers.com/topic/fairfax-county-public-schools) system. Their mascot is the Lancer (http://www.answers.com/topic/lancer). The school is located in Springfield (http://www.answers.com/topic/springfield-virginia) in unincorporated Fairfax County, Virginia (http://www.answers.com/topic/fairfax-county-virginia). They are named after Robert E. Lee (http://www.answers.com/topic/robert-e-lee), the general of the Confederate (http://www.answers.com/topic/confederate-states-of-america) troops in the American Civil War (http://www.answers.com/topic/american-civil-war). Lee High School was named #507 on Newsweek's (http://www.answers.com/topic/newsweek) 2006 list of the 1,000 top schools.

Robert E. Lee High School

Established1958 (http://www.answers.com/topic/1958)
School typepublic school (http://www.answers.com/topic/public-school)
PrincipalDonald Thurston
Address6540 Franconia Road
Springfield, Virginia 22150
Enrollment2,000
Athletic ConferencePatriot District (http://www.answers.com/topic/aaa-patriot-district)
Northern Region (http://www.answers.com/topic/aaa-northern-region)
Colors Blue, Gold
NicknameLancers
HomepageOfficial Site (http://www.fcps.edu/LeeHS)

[LionRun]

I'm not sure if this is the correct Robert E. Lee High School in Houston (more than one REL? and the emblem is different than the one on the ring?), but here's a URL to a 1970 reunion site with access to apparent proactive members. http://www.releereunion.com/

Hope it helps and keep up the good work.

Mickie

Thank you Mickie mouse! Yes, it is the correct school, and there is a lot of good info on that site. And, welcome to WS:). I hope you enjoy being a member, as there are many good people here.

Lion

[teonspaleprincess]

How about white or Asian? Can you tell me where to look? Would you like me to help you search? If you can send a link, perhaps we can split the search work.

I guess none of the ones you have found so far are even remotely possible, huh?

Lion

I looked through the NCMEC and NCMA. I went through the search engine and where it asks for race, I checked white/hispanic, black/hispanic, hispanic, bi-racial, and other. I did see a few who could be our girl, but only one mentions a ring and that was an amethyst one.

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/index.php
http://www.missingkids.com/

[LionRun]

Just a quickie before I go back and read through everything here. It looks like you all have come up with some great ideas.

Lion,

You said that the lady you emailed from classringfinders.com said that the school mascot for Robert E. Lee High school (Houston) was "Lancers". I thought the mascot for REL (Houston) was the "Saber" At least on the yearbook from 1975 Houston REL High it says "Saber" on it.

Also I found the following that shows the REL High School in VA uses the "Lancer's" as their mascot. I wonder if more than one high school used the same mascot?

Robert E. Lee High School (Fairfax County, Virginia)

Robert E. Lee High School (Lee High School) is a high school in the Fairfax County Public Schools (http://www.answers.com/topic/fairfax-county-public-schools) system. Their mascot is the Lancer (http://www.answers.com/topic/lancer). The school is located in Springfield (http://www.answers.com/topic/springfield-virginia) in unincorporated Fairfax County, Virginia (http://www.answers.com/topic/fairfax-county-virginia). They are named after Robert E. Lee (http://www.answers.com/topic/robert-e-lee), the general of the Confederate (http://www.answers.com/topic/confederate-states-of-america) troops in the American Civil War (http://www.answers.com/topic/american-civil-war). Lee High School was named #507 on Newsweek's (http://www.answers.com/topic/newsweek) 2006 list of the 1,000 top schools.

Robert E. Lee High School

Established1958 (http://www.answers.com/topic/1958)
School typepublic school (http://www.answers.com/topic/public-school)
PrincipalDonald Thurston
Address6540 Franconia Road
Springfield, Virginia 22150
Enrollment2,000
Athletic ConferencePatriot District (http://www.answers.com/topic/aaa-patriot-district)
Northern Region (http://www.answers.com/topic/aaa-northern-region)
Colors Blue, Gold
NicknameLancers
HomepageOfficial Site (http://www.fcps.edu/LeeHS)


Ahh. Sorry, I was mistaken about the mascot name and forgot to edit my post. I will go find it and edit in a minute.

The current librarian who also graduated from REL in 1980 said that, "the mascot has always been the General." I confirmed that she indicated that she believed that the, "L" most likely stands for Lee. She said that she has an inlaid, "L" on her ring, and that she and some students from that year had the, "L" inlaid on their stones and had their initials engraved on the inner sides of the bands. The mystery ring was well worn according to its description. So, either it was never engraved or the engraving has been worn away.

She also mentioned two other names that she said have always been the same. The Traveler has always been the school newspaper, and the Saber has always been.......I didn't get a chance to get it down on paper. But, the Saber is now and did then stand for something regarding their school.

I am so sorry for this, for I don't want to confuse anyone or make more work for everyone. I guess I have been working too many hours at a time on this.

It is the right school, if you have any concerns. The librarian is aware of this case, and the mystery ring has, "Houston" on it.

Lion

[Sable]

I know that since at least 1994 (when i started kindergarten) that even if you don't have your picture taken for the yearbook, your name will still be listed with your class under not pictured. So even if we don't find a picture of the original owner, we may still get their name. Also, look for seniors for 1976. If someone ordered their ring assuming they would graduate in 75, and then for whatever reason they didn't, they could be listed with the class of 76. As a last resort, someone could try the sophomores from 74. I was a half credit short at the end of my sophomore year, so the next year I was still classifed as a sophomore, even though I should have been a junior. Basically, I "skipped" my junior year. (freshman, sophomore, sophomore, senior)

And if it comes down to chasing zebra's, here's one: There's a chance that the person graduated in 1975, and wasn't able to order their ring when the rest of the seniors did. They could have waited, say a year, and then ordered their ring from a different company. I never ordered a class ring, but if I wanted to, I could go somewhere entirely different and order one.

[LionRun]

Thank you Sable, and you have really good thoughts on this. I like your zebra, too:).

Lion

[RKnowley]

Nope, you are just doing fantastic! I don't have any concerns and do believe it is the right school :)

I am so sorry for this, for I don't want to confuse anyone or make more work for everyone. I guess I have been working too many hours at a time on this.

It is the right school, if you have any concerns. The librarian is aware of this case, and the mystery ring has, "Houston" on it.

Lion

[teonspaleprincess]

I don't think this will help necessarily, but it is info :) According to someone on the Houston board this is the company that has always handled Houston class rings and it is really close to the school. I wonder if police checked with local jewelers to see if maybe one remembered resizing that class ring, assuming that the owner lived in TX.

[RKnowley]

Hi Mickie Mouse,
Welcome to WS :)

I'm not sure if this is the correct Robert E. Lee High School in Houston (more than one REL? and the emblem is different than the one on the ring?), but here's a URL to a 1970 reunion site with access to apparent proactive members. http://www.releereunion.com/

Hope it helps and keep up the good work.

Mickie

[LionRun]

Hi teons. Do you mean Balfour? The librarian seems to recall that was the name of the company who did their rings in 1980 and for as far back as she can remember. Hmmm. My phone call list is piling up, and we are only half way through the day, lol.

Lion

[teonspaleprincess]

LOL, yes Lion that is what I meant. I could have sworn I posted the link!

[RKnowley]

I have a question?? I wonder if it's possible for a forensic facial reconstruction to be done of Princess Blue's (Lion, you are right that she should have her own name)face? I know one of the articles stated that her skeleton is being held at the facility below.

The skeleton is now at the University of North Texas Health Science Center at Forth Worth. That facility operates the Texas Missing Persons DNA Database, which, in turn, feeds information about missing persons to the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS), operated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

[AlohaGal]

http://z13.invisionfree.com/PorchlightUSA/index.php?showtopic=4541

~snip~
They called us, Our mother spoke to Misty, the officer said she looked to be about 5 monthes pregnant (but should have been about 9) they would ask if she wanted help, or just let her sober up and go...we don't know what she chose...
She's never been seen again.

~snip~
and a scar on the back of one knee apx.2"-3"X1/4".

~snip~

[Jaded]

Thank you Sable, and you have really good thoughts on this. I like your zebra, too:).

Lion

Maybe the Saber is what they called the yearbook. My high school had a specific name for their yearbook. Maybe if someone contacted the yearbook publisher and told them that we are trying to find the owner of the ring, they might be so kind as to provide the master list of names from the graduating class. Just a thought. That way no one would have to purchase the yearbook.

[Mickie Mouse]

Thank you for the welcome.

I agree that there are a lot of great people here.

Warm regards,

Mickie

[LionRun]

Hi RKnowly. Perhaps they have held off(money) from doing a reconstruction be it with sculpting or 3D computer because they thought at least at one time that the rings, especially the REL ring would lead to her identity. Or, perhaps her facial bones were badly broken or too many of them were missing to do an accurate recon. Either way it is now going on 17 years. I will email the DET and ask if they plan on doing that. Perhaps he can send a link to us and the doenetwork or at least let us know it has been done so we can find it.

Jaded. You are correct. From the biblio.com site where the 1975 year book is for sale, "Saber 1975 Vol. 13 Robert E. Lee High School"
I will call her tomorrow(big staff meetings all day today), and ask her who the publisher was for that year.

Bedangit! We are doing some serious work and making progress it seems. You guys Rock! And, yes. Bedangit--it's a made up word.

Lion

[Jaded]

I sent a message to the seller asking if he would be so kind as to provide us with the names of women who graduated in the Class of 1975 from the yearbook and linked him to this thread.

R Duffy Booksellers <office@duffybooks.com>

281-443-9006
OR 800-699-9213
Phone number if anyone wants to call. They are located in Houston.

[LionRun]

Another great idea. I hope the seller will go the extra step and be willing to do that.


AlohaGal, I wonder about Misty for Princess Blue, the girl you posted about. I think it is a possible. I need to train right now; but, I am interested in Misty as a possibility. I'll be back later sleuthers.

Lion

[RKnowley]

I edited Wikipedia's page they have up on Robert E Lee High School (Houston) and added link to our discussion here on websleuths and a link to article about Princess Blue and how the HS ring is top clue to solving this case. I added it to the External Links section.

Here is the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_High_School_%28Houston%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_High_School_%28Houston%29)

I don't know if they will allow the information to stay on the page or not but we will see.

[JDB]

This might be a stupid question. But who is Princess Blue? Is she this one?

[Jaded]

This might be a stupid question. But who is Princess Blue? Is she this one?

Yes, she was given this name to identify her to us on this board. Some members felt it was appropriate to give her a name other than Princess Doe or Jane Doe. HTH.

[teonspaleprincess]

Not a dumb ? at all, Lion gave our girl her own name instead of just a generic jane doe.

[JDB]

Yes, she was given this name to identify her to us on this board. Some members felt it was appropriate to give her a name other than Princess Doe or Jane Doe. HTH.

Thanks then I think Misty is not her.

[RKnowley]

Teons,

I'm not sure if you have seen this or not but on the HAIF forum that you posted on about Princess Blue there is a poster who graduated from Robert E. Lee High School in 1975. Look for icepickphil. Their post is under the thread below:

Houston Architecture Info Forum - HAIF® (http://www.houstonarchitecture.info/haif/index.php?act=idx) > Houston Neighborhoods (http://www.houstonarchitecture.info/haif/index.php?showforum=4) > West Loop/Galleria/Memorial (http://www.houstonarchitecture.info/haif/index.php?showforum=17) The thread topic is Robert E. Lee High School

[RKnowley]

Holy cow, you should read some of these posts about Robert E Lee High School.

http://www.houstonarchitecture.info/haif/index.php?showtopic=7660

[annemc2]

Whoo hoo, guys! You are doing some incredible work on this case! If I stll lived in Houston, I would be all over this doing some of the fieldwork. If I can think of anyone that I know there that would be willing to help out I'll try to get them involved. Keep on, bedangit!!

[RKnowley]

Was Princess Blue attending Robert E. Lee High School (Lee High School, Houston) at the time of her death? I've been thinking about this and I think it's very possible she was. I wonder if we should try contacting any of the other classes (1987-1990) and see if they knew of any student that just disappeared one day? Just thinking out loud here.

[RKnowley]

Hi anne,
Here I thought I was sitting here all alone with my thoughts. Oh boy it would be fantastic to find someone who actually lives around that area to do some field work. If you do think of someone who may be able to help that would be terrific. Nice seeing you here.

Whoo hoo, guys! You are doing some incredible work on this case! If I stll lived in Houston, I would be all over this doing some of the fieldwork. If I can think of anyone that I know there that would be willing to help out I'll try to get them involved. Keep on, bedangit!!

[MrsG728]

Here is a website for a woman/teacher who graduated from Lee in 1975. Her name is Ms. Martin

http://members.aol.com/thisblonderox02/commander.html

[MrsG728]

If this has been posted, sorry- but I don't remember this in our thread.
It's a Houston Chronicle Article on Princess Blue. Sorry if it has been posted- i didn't scour the thread. This article has the same info that the Doenetwork published in it, but it is an actual article.

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-17491331_ITM
COPYRIGHT 2006 Houston Chronicle Byline: Richard Stewart

Sep. 2--ANGLETON -- A well-worn ring from the 1975 class of Houston's Robert E. Lee High School is the main evidence police have to try to unravel a 16-year-old mystery. It was found on the finger of a skeleton at the end of a Brazoria County road in 1990. "It's not much to go on," said Manvel police Detective Jay Coffman, "but it's about all we've got." In the years since the remains were found, investigators have not been able to tell what happened to the female victim, how she got to be on a pile of debris or, more importantly, who she was.

"Somebody's missing this girl," Coffman said, holding the ring. Somebody is missing the ring, too, he said, because he doubts it originally belonged to the victim. A medical examiner's report estimated that the skeleton found on Sept. 10, 1990, was that of a girl about 17 years old, plus or minus two years, Coffman said. She would have been far too young for the 1975 class ring to be hers. "It could have been given to her by an aunt, an older sister, by anybody," Coffman said.

Richard Rosser, an investigator with the Brazoria County Sheriff's Department, is working with Coffman to solve the mystery. "Back then, Brazoria County was a dumping ground for bodies of people killed in Houston," Rosser said. "It seemed like we had at least one a month."

The skeleton was found by an Alvin man who had pulled off the highway to find a place to urinate. He told investigators that he stepped behind a barricade and saw a skull in an old tire. Investigators have no clues as to how she died. No traces of drugs were found in the bone marrow. Medical examiners estimated she had been dead six months to a year. The victim was about 5 feet tall, plus or minus 2 inches. Medical examiners said the skeleton was probably that of a Hispanic female. Investigators looked at dozens of different reports of missing teenage girls, but none seemed to match the skeleton. Three rings were on the skeleton's fingers. One was silver with a scroll design, another had a turquoise unicorn on it. But investigators think the 1975 Lee High School ring probably has the best chance of leading to her identity. A jeweler recently told investigators the ring was a size 9 1/2 and had been resized twice. The person it fit was probably about 175 pounds. An ornate "L" inlaid in the blue stone could have stood for the owner's last name or for Lee High School. The company that made Lee High School's rings doesn't have records from 1975, Rosser said. The Lee class of 1975 probably had about 150 girls, Rosser said. He would like to hear from any of them who lost a ring or gave it to somebody else. The skeleton is now at the University of North Texas Health Science Center at Fort Worth. That facility operates the Texas Missing Persons DNA Database, which, in turn, feeds information about missing persons to the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS), operated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

If investigators get new leads, they can try to test the DNA of relatives to identify her. "We would at least have a name," Coffman said. richard.stewart@chron.com

Copyright (c) 2006, Houston Chronicle

Distributed by McClatchy-Tribune Business

[MrsG728]

A list of LiveJournal people with Lee HS 1975 in their profile

http://www.livejournal.com/schools/?ctc=US&sc=TX&cc=Houston&sid=11186

[LionRun]

Was Princess Blue attending Robert E. Lee High School (Lee High School, Houston) at the time of her death? I've been thinking about this and I think it's very possible she was. I wonder if we should try contacting any of the other classes (1987-1990) and see if they knew of any student that just disappeared one day? Just thinking out loud here.

Hi RKnowly:). Although, we don't have reason to think Princess Blue was attending REL at the time of her disappearance, we also can't rule that out. She was estimated to be 16-22 years old. She may have been in school-somewhere, or she may have graduated or dropped out.

Update: My loving sister will be sending out 34 emails to 1975 alumni members with detailed info on Princess Doe's case including links to LE agencies, my email, and here. I included as much info about this case as I could; but, we had to edit and re-edit to fit it into the compact message box area. I thought she already sent it; but, I didn't realize I needed to edit it one more time. She will send it out tonight or tomorrow, so let's hope we get a good hit from it(fingers crossed icon).

Also, I will be making calls and emailing again tomorrow. So far, here is my list:


1) Call librarian and get YB publisher name and location.
2) Email SGT about recon of Princess Blue's face for better possibility of ID
3) Call Balfour (1975 ring design company

Does any of you have other ideas on who should be called, and if so what are your questions?

Also, Teons, I am sorry I haven't had the time to search for the missing from this morning. There just aren't enough hours in a day. I will try to find time tonight or tomorrow. Anyone else good at searching through all the missing in the USA who could possibly be our girl?

Lion

[LionRun]

Here is a website for a woman/teacher who graduated from Lee in 1975. Her name is Ms. Martin

http://members.aol.com/thisblonderox02/commander.html

Thank you MrsG. I went to the site and tried to email her; but, the addy was no good. Since she went to college in and teaches San Antonio I am inclined to think she may have attended the REL in San Antonio. But, you never know. it could be a zebra for later, and we can always try to track her down again if we get nowhere with what we have.

Lion

[LionRun]

A list of LiveJournal people with Lee HS 1975 in their profile

http://www.livejournal.com/schools/?ctc=US&sc=TX&cc=Houston&sid=11186

Thank you MrsG.:). This is a possible good avenue to explore further. And, thank you for the article in your previous post.

Lion

[teonspaleprincess]

Was Princess Blue attending Robert E. Lee High School (Lee High School, Houston) at the time of her death? I've been thinking about this and I think it's very possible she was. I wonder if we should try contacting any of the other classes (1987-1990) and see if they knew of any student that just disappeared one day? Just thinking out loud here.

I thought about this also, so I looked up all Houston papers that are online and searched archives to see if I would come across any articles, but I didn't.

[LionRun]

Good morning teons:). I just emailed Seargeant Coffman again to ask him a couple of more questions. I also found someone who attended REL in 1975, so I asked if he had a yearbook from then. I am going to call the librarian later, too. And, my sister will hopefully get out the email to the 34 alumni graduates from 1975 by today. She has been ill, so she just hasn't been able to do it. She has an account with access to all of their email addys so I can't do it for her.

Lion

[teonspaleprincess]

This is a response I got from someone at the Houston board:

Hi Kym and welcome to HAIF!
I graduated from a "sister" school, Westbury, in the same time period. At that time, it was customary to put the school's initial under the stone. A good place to answer your other questions would be to visit the high school itself or the HISD administration building. They usually have copies of all the past yearbooks on display somewhere there, and would most likely let you look through them while you're in the office. Good luck to you and your group!

[LionRun]

It is good to hear this because the librarian who also graduated from REL in 1980 said pretty much the same thing adding credence to our thoughts about the, "L". The difference was that they generally had the initial, "L" for their school mascot, Robert E. Lee, which was also the name of the school. The zebra would be that the, "L" stands for original owner's name. I am glad that you are getting responses. Hmmm. You never know what additional good info might come from there.

The librarian said she has a copy of the year books including 1974 and 1975; but, we just need to find someone willing to do the fieldwork who lives close enough to Houston.

Lion

[teonspaleprincess]

Maybe we will get lucky. If no one has purchased that year book, I may get it myself, the suspense of knowing if it offers any clues is killing me :) I was also wondering if they knew for a FACT that she was hispanic because of DNA or if they are just guessing? I asked on the Houston board if anyone from 1975 could tell me how many hispanic people were in the graduating class.

[LionRun]

I would buy the book if I could afford it; but, I am having to pinch pennies, too. it would be great if maybe we could all chip in to buy it. Then it would cost just a small amount. Maybe we could do that. Then the person who gets possession of it can make copies of every page and post it for us all to see and copy for ourselves. What are your thoughts on that?

I believe there are a high number of Hispanics that go to that school. I don't know about how it was in 1975, though. Princess Blue was described as either Hispanic or white Hispanic, right? I recall seeing her listed as white/Hispanic in one place and described as Hispanic somewhere else.

Lion

[teonspaleprincess]

Today is my birthday, so I was going to ask for it as my "present" from hubby, but I like your idea better :) Today is my last day to do a lot of work for awhile. My kids will be on spring break and my mini-vacation from work will be over, so I won't have as much time.

Yes, I do believe that she was listed as both white/hispanic and hispanic. I really hope this ring leads to something.

[LionRun]

Happy Birthday teons!:HappyBday .

I understand. I need to go for now as well. Perhaps whomever gets back first can ask the others how they feel about it. Let's say it is $28.00 plus shipping. We have enough people so that it would only be a couple of dollars each. Then we would all have a, "copy" once the, "keeper" makes and posts the copies.

Have a great day today on your birthday teons:).

Lion

[teonspaleprincess]

I have been searching and searching, but I don't really see any girls that I think is her! Maybe she was kidnapped as a young child by a parent and for that reason was never reported missing.

[MrsG728]

Just wanted to let you all know that I had to help somehow- Since I'm not as good at sleuthing as you guys, the least I could do was buy the yearbook.

I should have it Fedex by tomorrow!

MG

[SadieMae]

You are awsome MrsG!!!

[Synthia1021]

MrsG.. you are awesome.. after getting the info we need, you can always resell on ebay.. Bless you!

[RKnowley]

It looks like everyone is off to a wonderful start today. I have also looked and looked and haven't found any missing gals that could be our Princess Blue.

MrsG, I myself think you are a wonderful sleuther. I think it helps to have as many people as we can helping out on this and we all have one thing in mind and that is to find out who Princess Blue belongs to and bring her home to them. Also thank you SO MUCH for getting that yearbook. Hopefully it holds the key to finding Princess Blue's family :)

ETA: HAPPY BIRTHDAY Teons!

[raindrops300]

I'm usually a reader, but wanted to make this comment. This may have already been said, but I missed it if it was.
It's a possibility that the original owner of the ring pawned it. Back then class rings were actually gold and had true stones, not synthetic (at least mine did, from '72), so it would have been worth pawning. If you do find the original owner and it was pawned, maybe the pawn shop has records that could be searched. I realize this is unlikely, but it is a possibility.
This is an interesting thread and you guys are doing great!

[teonspaleprincess]

Just wanted to let you all know that I had to help somehow- Since I'm not as good at sleuthing as you guys, the least I could do was buy the yearbook.

I should have it Fedex by tomorrow!

MG

It looks like everyone is off to a wonderful start today. I have also looked and looked and haven't found any missing gals that could be our Princess Blue.

MrsG, I myself think you are a wonderful sleuther. I think it helps to have as many people as we can helping out on this and we all have one thing in mind and that is to find out who Princess Blue belongs to and bring her home to them. Also thank you SO MUCH for getting that yearbook. Hopefully it holds the key to finding Princess Blue's family :)

ETA: HAPPY BIRTHDAY Teons!

I'm usually a reader, but wanted to make this comment. This may have already been said, but I missed it if it was.
It's a possibility that the original owner of the ring pawned it. Back then class rings were actually gold and had true stones, not synthetic (at least mine did, from '72), so it would have been worth pawning. If you do find the original owner and it was pawned, maybe the pawn shop has records that could be searched. I realize this is unlikely, but it is a possibility.
This is an interesting thread and you guys are doing great!

MG, you are wonderful and just as talented a sleuther as anyone here.

RK..thankyou :)

Raindrops...I hadn't even thought of that, what a great thought!

[RKnowley]

Welcome to WS raindrops! It is an interesting theory.

I'm usually a reader, but wanted to make this comment. This may have already been said, but I missed it if it was.
It's a possibility that the original owner of the ring pawned it. Back then class rings were actually gold and had true stones, not synthetic (at least mine did, from '72), so it would have been worth pawning. If you do find the original owner and it was pawned, maybe the pawn shop has records that could be searched. I realize this is unlikely, but it is a possibility.
This is an interesting thread and you guys are doing great!

[Malamute]

Just wanted to toss out some more thoughts. The stone in a school ring is often the birthstone of the owner, at least that is how I recall it. And at my HS, the sides of the ring could be personalized to the individual (e.g. drama, band, cheerleading) so perhaps the sides of the ring will yield another clue to the original owner?

[RKnowley]

Hi Malamute. Both great ideas. I'm not sure what Robert E. Lee High School's school colors are so not sure if the stone is a birthstone or one of the school colors or both.

Welcome to Websleuths.

Just wanted to toss out some more thoughts. The stone in a school ring is often the birthstone of the owner, at least that is how I recall it. And at my HS, the sides of the ring could be personalized to the individual (e.g. drama, band, cheerleading) so perhaps the sides of the ring will yield another clue to the original owner?

[SadieMae]

Things we know about the ring...correct me if it's wrong
1. Size 9 1/2, sized up twice
2. Female's ring
3. The letter "L" is for Lee High School
4. From Class of 1975.
5. Princess Blue is not the original owner of ring.

I think the blue stone if not one of the school's colors may represent the birthstone for September, Sapphire. I ordered my class ring in '73 with my birthstone (synthetic), as well as did many other females. Don't know how to check birthdates for this class, but I think looking for females with a September birthdate will lead to something.

Hi Raindrops and welcome to WS!! A good theory so I called a friend who has pawnshops to ask him. He said when they buy old class rings they don't resell