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Doyle
02-10-2004, 05:36 AM
Recent evidence uncovered in the starvation death of 4-year-old Kristen Tatar of Armstrong County raises new questions about whether child welfare caseworkers could have saved her life.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/leadertimes/s_178626.html

Police surveyed the house Friday where 4-year-old Kristen Tater (pictured, below) was found dead in a cooler, gathering evidence for their investigation
http://www.wpxi.com/target11/2409219/detail.html

Old Broad
02-10-2004, 02:58 PM
So very sad how this poor child had to suffer!!
It's beyond me how a mother can not help her own child!
I hope the brother is getting therapy.

sansoucie
02-10-2004, 08:09 PM
This makes me sick.

sleepingbeauty
02-10-2004, 11:02 PM
This is horrendous. Another child lost because she slipped through the system. Its such a shame.....

nixmom
02-10-2004, 11:16 PM
It seems like there is a new horrific child abuse story every day. There were two on that link alone with poor little Kristin and the 7 year old whose mother disciplined her with chemical burns caused by bleach. These stories make me feel so helpless and hopeless.

sansoucie
02-11-2004, 09:17 PM
Doesn't make me feel helpless and hopeless... makes me feel homicidal. Too bad we can't euthanize, or at least sterilize the parents. :behindbar

sleepingbeauty
02-13-2004, 02:14 AM
Doesn't make me feel helpless and hopeless... makes me feel homicidal. Too bad we can't euthanize, or at least sterilize the parents. :behindbar

Sometimes I almost would like to treat these savages the same way that they have treated their victims. Crimes against our children is just getting so out of hand.

babylove
02-18-2004, 02:49 PM
What the hell is wrong with our child welfare agencies???!!! :furious:

This is so horrible to read about, and that picture of her poor unhappy face, I'm practicaly bawling my eyes out now. :(
It said she weighed 12 lbs when autopsied. 12 lbs. That means she probably weighed 15/18 lbs tops when she died. My 16 month old daughter was 20lbs at 6 months old... I can't believe whoever this woman was from the agency that allegedly saw Kristen 2 weeks before her death saw a healthy child. She should be in prison right beside the mother and father.

That poor little baby, she suffered her whole life at the hands of her parents. They abused her, they didn't love her or take care of her... its so sad, that little girl should have been taken away PERMANENTLY and placed with a family that would take care of her!!! She probably never felt love her whole life. :(

I hope this little precious baby is in heaven now, eating anything and everything she wants. :(

Dance with the angels baby girl.

sansoucie
02-18-2004, 05:54 PM
I read that kind of thing and thing how crappy my teenager is and how she thinks the world should be handed to her. She ran away several times before 17 and now that she is 17 she moved out. She just couldn't handle how abusive we are.... a curfew, no drugs, no screwing guys that are 34 yrs old ( who she is pregnant by now and got that way when she took of from school for her 3rd run away stunt, and who has a warrant.. etc, long story) and no physically fighting with her parents or siblings. Keeping her in school was horribly abusive. And having her own room with a private bath, a vehicle, and dealing with her abercrombie fetish.... we were so horribly abusive.

Here this poor child would have thought she was in heaven for just a scrap of food and being warm at night.I wonder if anyone ever cuddled her or told her she was loved, or beautiful? If anyone ever watched a movie with her and had a popcorn fight on DAD's side of the bed?Did she ever know anything but horror and hunger? It breaks what's left of my heart to think of how little it would have taken to make that poor child healthy and happy. How can people do this to children?!

mindys
02-18-2004, 10:16 PM
Wow, Sansoucie, you sure have had a lot to deal with. I just wanted to send you a hug.

Has your daughter thought about what she will do when the baby comes?? That baby deserves the Best their Mom can give, I hope she can get it together in time. The 34 year old man should be charged.

Peace to you and your's.

sansoucie
02-19-2004, 10:40 AM
Yeah, the guy has been formally charged.. he was in the navy, so they booted him, and he is now on the run.

She's a moron, and has no clue what she will do with the baby. She can't even take care of a pet. This is going to be an ordeal.

I personally believe that girls who do this kind of thing are the ones that are most likely to abuse, neglect, or kill their children. They have NO concept of motherhood and the responsibility that goes with it. I offered to take the child and raise it because I fear whatthe child will go through or God forbid, wind up in the system. She says she will take care of it. No job, no prospects, looks foreward to geting on welfare when she is 18... just terrible.

mindys
02-19-2004, 10:55 AM
Well san, maybe if you feel that strongly about the future welfare of the child, you could alert Social Services now, maybe they can get her to take parenting classes, now, make sure she is ok throughout the rest of her pregnancy, discuss fully and confidentially with her the options she has, for what is best for this new life soon to join us.

http://teenadvice.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yppo.com%2F

sansoucie
02-19-2004, 12:19 PM
Been there done that. Can't do a thing until there are "signs" of neglect or abuse. Read the title thred story... family services has their hands tied or they just don't give a damn. I know for sure they are overworked as these teenagers are popping out kids like pez.

seamless
02-19-2004, 12:59 PM
Yeah, the guy has been formally charged.. he was in the navy, so they booted him, and he is now on the run.

She's a moron, and has no clue what she will do with the baby. She can't even take care of a pet. This is going to be an ordeal.

I personally believe that girls who do this kind of thing are the ones that are most likely to abuse, neglect, or kill their children. They have NO concept of motherhood and the responsibility that goes with it. I offered to take the child and raise it because I fear whatthe child will go through or God forbid, wind up in the system. She says she will take care of it. No job, no prospects, looks foreward to geting on welfare when she is 18... just terrible.
Sansoucie

Don't give up on her. Her story sounds so much like mine when I was her age. I grew up in a home where I had everything I needed including clothes, food, love, and the support of my parents. I partied my way right out of high school before I graduated. Smoked plenty of pot and drank a lot of beer and ended up pregnant at 18 years old. My mother was very upset but she was wise and just told me she loved me and was there for me if I needed her. I kept my baby and lived with my mom for about 1 year moved out for a couple years and moved back in again. My mom was wonderful she didn't give me money directly but did buy formula, diapers and clothes when she could. She did let me know how she felt about my parenting abilities and my lifestyle but she always told me she loved me. It took until my daughter was about three for me to become a normal human being. I went to school to become a legal secretary. Went to work, got off of welfare and have not touched drugs and rarely drink since then. Having my little girl saved my life. I am a very successful person now. I have been married for 10 years have two little boys from that marriage and one of the neatest, well behaved, 16 year old girls I have ever known. I know she is so wonderful because of my mother. I have a great job, own a home and I am even a cub scout leader. I am so grateful that my mother pushed me, berated me and most of all loved me.

I know not everyone has such a good outcome but it is possible. I just wanted to share that with you.

Doyle
02-19-2004, 01:43 PM
Great story Seamless, thanks for sharing.

sansoucie
02-19-2004, 02:11 PM
Wow, so there is hope. Thanks for sharing. If she would live here I wouldn't be so upset, but she doesn't want our rules even while she is pregnant. She is my step daughter but my husband has always had custody and we raised her. Her mother was a one nighter way back when. I am the only mother she has ever known. I swear it's hereditary! LOL! She has become her birthmother. I fear she or one of her trashy boyfriends will screw up and there will be another Tatar story in the news. I swear I need xanax sometimes! LOL!

Belinda
07-12-2010, 08:08 AM
Janet Lynne Crawford

Guilty Plea
Location: Muncy
Sentence Date: 11/18/2004

Offense: 1st Degree Murder
Sentence: LWOP

James Tatar

Jury Trial
Location: Coal Township
Sentence Date: 11/13/2004

Offense: 1st Degree Murder
Sentence: LWOP

miimaa
07-12-2010, 10:21 AM
Were these people on public assistance? Seems so often in these tragic cases the family is on assistance and no one working. What does that do to people? Take away their self esteem? Their motivation to live right? Morals? Does living on public assistance make people selfish and lazy? Seems to.........

Belinda
07-12-2010, 10:23 AM
Not as far as I know. James Tatar, in fact, worked a lot and was often away from home on his job.

greenbean
07-12-2010, 10:59 AM
Were these people on public assistance? Seems so often in these tragic cases the family is on assistance and no one working. What does that do to people? Take away their self esteem? Their motivation to live right? Morals? Does living on public assistance make people selfish and lazy? Seems to.........


Public assistance has about as much of an effect on fillicide as someone's skin color does. Websleuths is not chock full of stories about people living normal lives although they may have to rely on food stamps. Considering the state of the economy I think that may be a narrow way to look at this case and others. Casey Anthony wasn't on welfare.

Belinda
07-12-2010, 11:02 AM
greenbean - That was very well put. I feel the same way, but couldn't quite formulate it into a cohesive response, so I just answered the question instead. Thanks.

miimaa
07-12-2010, 01:13 PM
Public assistance has about as much of an effect on fillicide as someone's skin color does. Websleuths is not chock full of stories about people living normal lives although they may have to rely on food stamps. Considering the state of the economy I think that may be a narrow way to look at this case and others. Casey Anthony wasn't on welfare.

I believe income plays a large part in MOST cases of child murder. Casey Anthony wasn't on public assistance but she wasn't working... she was stealing and lying. But let's not even use her since we're not sure of how Caylee died and no reason to believe there was prior abuse.

Here is an interesting article about homicide stats and children. http://www.unh.edu/ccrc/pdf/homicidechildrenyouth.pdf and some of what it contains -


"Child maltreatment homicides are committed
by persons charged with the care of a
child, including parents and other family
members, babysitters, and friends who
have taken responsibility for the child."

"Child maltreatment fatalities are more
common in conditions of poverty and in
families marked by divorce or paternal
absence."

Belinda
07-12-2010, 01:21 PM
"Child maltreatment fatalities are more
common in conditions of poverty and in
families marked by divorce or paternal
absence."

The only problem is that statement is so broad it covers most of the human race. I know of lots of divorced people that don't kill their children.

miimaa
07-12-2010, 01:42 PM
The only problem is that statement is so broad it covers most of the human race. I know of lots of divorced people that don't kill their children.

Taken out of context. The statement applies only to deaths by maltreatment, not the whole human race. It seems to me that the majority of child murder cases involve someone that is not working but sitting home doing I don't know what. I'm curious as to whether it is the poverty or boredom and frustration with the child or what exactly makes an adult treat a child so horribly as to kill him/her. Boggles my mind. If stats show a common denominator then that would be a place to start saving chidren from terrible deaths like this one.

greenbean
07-12-2010, 06:19 PM
I know. Let's sterilize poor people.

What would you do to improve the situation Miimaa?

Lovejac
07-12-2010, 06:53 PM
The only problem is that statement is so broad it covers most of the human race. I know of lots of divorced people that don't kill their children.

Wouldn't that be great if it was that easy to prevent these horrible crimes against children?

Just keep our eyes on divorced people living in poverty.

Belinda
07-13-2010, 02:09 AM
There are many poor people who are fine upstanding citizens who work like dogs and take care of their families. Don't confuse them with welfare moms that are baby mills for the income and could care less what happens to the kids. Child murders cross all socio-economic lines and all types of families, whether nuclear or blended. They can try to say it is only one type of family or person, but it's simply not true. This is a problem that happens in all classes of families and it needs to be looked at in that light. Just as in this case. These aren't divorced welfare people.